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+Hello guys ! :)<div><br></div><div>I think that forking Mandriva distribution is a really good idea !</div><div>I&#39;d really appreciate to bring help in Mageia project but I don&#39;t know how...</div><div><br></div><div>
+
+I&#39;ve some technical abilities in bash scripting, rpm packaging (CentOS packaging essentially), testing, debugging, ... </div><div>I&#39;ve a good experience in &quot;web communication&quot; too : in the past, I&#39;ve created the French MLO website (<a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</a>) and Community64 project (<a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a>)</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>So, at this point I don&#39;t know what to do... Maybe the simplest thing to do is talking about Megaia everywhere on Internet ?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards.</div><div><div>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>
+
+Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
+</div></div>
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+Hello guys ! :)<div><br></div><div>I think that forking Mandriva distribution is a really good idea !</div><div>I&#39;d really appreciate to bring help in Mageia project but I don&#39;t know how...</div><div><br></div><div>
+
+I&#39;ve some technical abilities in bash scripting, rpm packaging (CentOS packaging essentially), testing, debugging, ... </div><div>I&#39;ve a good experience in &quot;web communication&quot; too : in the past, I&#39;ve created the French MLO website (<a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</a>) and Community64 project (<a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a>)</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>So, at this point I don&#39;t know what to do... Maybe the simplest thing to do is talking about Megaia everywhere on Internet ?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards.</div><div><div>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>
+
+Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/18 Anssi Hannula <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anssi.hannula@iki.fi">anssi.hannula@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Yes, right now that is probably the easiest thing. When we get further (e.g.<br>
+web/wiki/forum/mirror/buildsystem/bugdb/svn infrastructure, hopefully very<br>
+soon), we&#39;ll of course welcome any packaging and testing help.<br>
+<br>
+And of course participating in the discussions on this ml is helping as well<br>
+:)<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote></div><br clear="all">Thanks for the reply. Each post on the ML have a reply, I appreciate that. ;)<br>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>
+
+Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/18 Anssi Hannula <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anssi.hannula@iki.fi">anssi.hannula@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Yes, right now that is probably the easiest thing. When we get further (e.g.<br>
+web/wiki/forum/mirror/buildsystem/bugdb/svn infrastructure, hopefully very<br>
+soon), we&#39;ll of course welcome any packaging and testing help.<br>
+<br>
+And of course participating in the discussions on this ml is helping as well<br>
+:)<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote></div><br clear="all">Thanks for the reply. Each post on the ML have a reply, I appreciate that. ;)<br>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>
+
+Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
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+Hi all<br><br>I would love to collaborate, but first I have to go through spanish-translators team, my English is very poor :-P<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/18 Olivier Méjean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hello there :)<br>
+<br>
+As some you may know, i am the founder of the French community Mandriva<br>
+Magazine called Magnum : <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/MAGNUM" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/MAGNUM</a> (fell free to<br>
+download past issues)<br>
+<br>
+I am no developer, no more do i package, i may do bug reports, so i can&#39;t help<br>
+much on technical side. I am rather on advocate side, promote the distro i use<br>
+(Mandriva for the moment, Mageia in the future)<br>
+<br>
+I want to create a community magazine for Mageia. Instead of creating for just<br>
+french community, i want it for the whole community.<br>
+<br>
+What is needed for it is quite simple :<br>
+- writers for articles. Articles can be written by technical or non-technical<br>
+people. Articles are on presenting a development, a new technology, a<br>
+software, tutorials, report of an event, presentation of community, interview,<br>
+etc.<br>
+<br>
+- translators. I would like to publish each magazine in as many languages<br>
+possible, english, french, german, spanish, portuguese, greek, finnish,<br>
+italian, ... An article can be written in any language then translate into<br>
+english then translate into all other languages.<br>
+<br>
+- proof-readers to ensure quality of the texts. From my experience there is a<br>
+need of 2 or 3 proof reading of each article. maybe a first proof reading in<br>
+the first language used is to be set before translation.<br>
+<br>
+- The work of layout. Scribus is the best for publishing, it is free and free.<br>
+With layer i think it is possible to have one layout for all translated<br>
+magazines. Layout is also about including images, styles (once defined they<br>
+should not change to much, btw use free fonts)<br>
+<br>
+- Advocates that announce the publication thougout the web<br>
+<br>
+- (oh, once more, a packager to create the rpm so users of mageia just have to<br>
+install an rpm !)<br>
+<br>
+- i was about to forget : chief editors to shout after writers who promise to<br>
+write but did not have time to, to shout after translators who promise to<br>
+translate but did not have time to, to shout after proof-readers who promise<br>
+to proof-red but..., to shout after layouters who promise ... so you see the<br>
+point ;-)<br>
+<br>
+So, it is a nice stuff, it required manpower. French community was too small<br>
+for a release each month (ah, yes, i plan to release it each month), i hope<br>
+with an international community it will be easier to fill the magazine.<br>
+<br>
+What do you think of it ? Am i completely silly or just silly ?<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to react, comment, agree, join me !<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Olivier Méjean<br>
+Président de l&#39;Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br>
+<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br>
+twitter : obagoom<br>
+<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi all<br><br>I would love to collaborate, but first I have to go through spanish-translators team, my English is very poor :-P<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/18 Olivier Méjean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hello there :)<br>
+<br>
+As some you may know, i am the founder of the French community Mandriva<br>
+Magazine called Magnum : <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/MAGNUM" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/MAGNUM</a> (fell free to<br>
+download past issues)<br>
+<br>
+I am no developer, no more do i package, i may do bug reports, so i can&#39;t help<br>
+much on technical side. I am rather on advocate side, promote the distro i use<br>
+(Mandriva for the moment, Mageia in the future)<br>
+<br>
+I want to create a community magazine for Mageia. Instead of creating for just<br>
+french community, i want it for the whole community.<br>
+<br>
+What is needed for it is quite simple :<br>
+- writers for articles. Articles can be written by technical or non-technical<br>
+people. Articles are on presenting a development, a new technology, a<br>
+software, tutorials, report of an event, presentation of community, interview,<br>
+etc.<br>
+<br>
+- translators. I would like to publish each magazine in as many languages<br>
+possible, english, french, german, spanish, portuguese, greek, finnish,<br>
+italian, ... An article can be written in any language then translate into<br>
+english then translate into all other languages.<br>
+<br>
+- proof-readers to ensure quality of the texts. From my experience there is a<br>
+need of 2 or 3 proof reading of each article. maybe a first proof reading in<br>
+the first language used is to be set before translation.<br>
+<br>
+- The work of layout. Scribus is the best for publishing, it is free and free.<br>
+With layer i think it is possible to have one layout for all translated<br>
+magazines. Layout is also about including images, styles (once defined they<br>
+should not change to much, btw use free fonts)<br>
+<br>
+- Advocates that announce the publication thougout the web<br>
+<br>
+- (oh, once more, a packager to create the rpm so users of mageia just have to<br>
+install an rpm !)<br>
+<br>
+- i was about to forget : chief editors to shout after writers who promise to<br>
+write but did not have time to, to shout after translators who promise to<br>
+translate but did not have time to, to shout after proof-readers who promise<br>
+to proof-red but..., to shout after layouters who promise ... so you see the<br>
+point ;-)<br>
+<br>
+So, it is a nice stuff, it required manpower. French community was too small<br>
+for a release each month (ah, yes, i plan to release it each month), i hope<br>
+with an international community it will be easier to fill the magazine.<br>
+<br>
+What do you think of it ? Am i completely silly or just silly ?<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to react, comment, agree, join me !<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Olivier Méjean<br>
+Président de l&#39;Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br>
+<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br>
+twitter : obagoom<br>
+<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+We at Unity Linux show our support and solidarity with Mageia and anything that we can do to help get this project off the ground.<br><br>Regards,<br>Matthew Dawkins (mdawkins)<br>
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+We at Unity Linux show our support and solidarity with Mageia and anything that we can do to help get this project off the ground.<br><br>Regards,<br>Matthew Dawkins (mdawkins)<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Dear all,<br>
+    <br>
+    <font size="3">I want to help the new distro by translating in
+      french. <br>
+      Do you need help? Do you want I help you??<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Stef74.<br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Dear all,<br>
+    <br>
+    <font size="3">I want to help the new distro by translating in
+      french. <br>
+      Do you need help? Do you want I help you??<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Stef74.<br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    I am sorry for my English, I am from Guatemala, I am studing English
+    and now I am going to Study hard to comunicate with all of you.<br>
+    <br>
+    I write for the first time and I do it to the 3 lists just to
+    introduce myself,<br>
+    I am a Mandrake user since version 7 and now with Mandriva<br>
+    2010.1, mandriva is the best and I'm ready to help as<br>
+    necessary to this project.<br>
+    <br>
+    I am studing computer engineering, I like to program in C++ / Qt4,
+    not<br>
+    know much kdelibs but what I can, I'm here to help.<br>
+    <br>
+    Again, I am sorry for my English jejejejeje.<br>
+    <br>
+    :)<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    I am sorry for my English, I am from Guatemala, I am studing English
+    and now I am going to Study hard to comunicate with all of you.<br>
+    <br>
+    I write for the first time and I do it to the 3 lists just to
+    introduce myself,<br>
+    I am a Mandrake user since version 7 and now with Mandriva<br>
+    2010.1, mandriva is the best and I'm ready to help as<br>
+    necessary to this project.<br>
+    <br>
+    I am studing computer engineering, I like to program in C++ / Qt4,
+    not<br>
+    know much kdelibs but what I can, I'm here to help.<br>
+    <br>
+    Again, I am sorry for my English jejejejeje.<br>
+    <br>
+    :)<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+Hi ,<br><br>I&#39;m Jacob and I want to contribute in Mageia Project.<br><br>I was used Mandrake and Mandriva for several years and I would like to participate now.<br><br>I can develop software, tester, translator, packager and user, website, wiki, blog.<br>
+<br>I was contributing in some projects like PC-BSD Doc Team<br><br>Twitter: @jacobnix<br><br>Best<br><br>-- <br>Jacob<br><br>
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+Hi ,<br><br>I&#39;m Jacob and I want to contribute in Mageia Project.<br><br>I was used Mandrake and Mandriva for several years and I would like to participate now.<br><br>I can develop software, tester, translator, packager and user, website, wiki, blog.<br>
+<br>I was contributing in some projects like PC-BSD Doc Team<br><br>Twitter: @jacobnix<br><br>Best<br><br>-- <br>Jacob<br><br>
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+en lo que pueda ayudar<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>Técnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi Máquina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi página: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
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+en lo que pueda ayudar<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>Técnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi Máquina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi página: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 François Jaouen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:francois.jaouen@laposte.net">francois.jaouen@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+ Hi everybody<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi François</div><div><br></div><div>Welcome on board !</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+My name is François Jaouen aka farfouille, 46 years old. I&#39;ve been developing software (proprietary) for 25 years. I am experienced in C, C++, Java and more recently Python.<br>
+<br>
+Since 2008, I am very interested in GNU/Linux, and I run Ubuntu and Fedora on several computers. I have not contributed much for now (little improvement on Rhythmbox management of MTP devices, bug reports) but I would like to get involved in Mageia because it is not affiliated to any company, it has a strong focus on desktop and end-user and, also it has a large french community  and my english is not that good ;)<br>
+
+<br>
+2 subjects are of particular interest to me :<br>
+<br>
+- multitouch displays : I am currently studying this kind of devices (particularly a Cando touch screen) that can bring computer to people that can&#39;t use mouse.<br>
+<br>
+- a gvfs layer for mtp : MTP devices management is a mess for now on Gnome (don&#39;t know about KDE).<br>
+<br>
+So let me know where I can help.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m sure we will find work for you :) especially on multitouch which is a hot subject at the moment :) Just stay tuned, we hope to be able to start very soon</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+Thank you for reading.<br>
+<br>
+Farfouille<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 François Jaouen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:francois.jaouen@laposte.net">francois.jaouen@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+ Hi everybody<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi François</div><div><br></div><div>Welcome on board !</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+My name is François Jaouen aka farfouille, 46 years old. I&#39;ve been developing software (proprietary) for 25 years. I am experienced in C, C++, Java and more recently Python.<br>
+<br>
+Since 2008, I am very interested in GNU/Linux, and I run Ubuntu and Fedora on several computers. I have not contributed much for now (little improvement on Rhythmbox management of MTP devices, bug reports) but I would like to get involved in Mageia because it is not affiliated to any company, it has a strong focus on desktop and end-user and, also it has a large french community  and my english is not that good ;)<br>
+
+<br>
+2 subjects are of particular interest to me :<br>
+<br>
+- multitouch displays : I am currently studying this kind of devices (particularly a Cando touch screen) that can bring computer to people that can&#39;t use mouse.<br>
+<br>
+- a gvfs layer for mtp : MTP devices management is a mess for now on Gnome (don&#39;t know about KDE).<br>
+<br>
+So let me know where I can help.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m sure we will find work for you :) especially on multitouch which is a hot subject at the moment :) Just stay tuned, we hope to be able to start very soon</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+Thank you for reading.<br>
+<br>
+Farfouille<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Me too. I&#39;m also developer, and I would like to help out in whatever needed, translating to portuguese or programming, optimizing or developing from scratch :)<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Fellipe Henrique <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <span><span title="">Hello,<br>
+        <br>
+        I would like to help in whatever way possible, I am a programmer
+        for 12 years, and for some time I dedicate to Linux, then I
+        would like to help in my spare time, is official in the project,
+        developing, improving security or even translating to pt-br.<br>
+        <br>
+        Regards,<br>
+        <br>
+      </span></span>
+    <div>-- <br>
+      
+      
+      <table style="width:100%;min-height:378px" border="0" cellpadding="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr style="min-height:114.15pt">
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:18.3pt;min-height:123px" width="24">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+              <br>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:246.55pt;min-height:123px" width="329">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="width:346px"><span style="color:black">T.·.F</span><span style="color:black">.·.A</span><span style="color:black">.·.</span><br>
+                <b><span style="color:black">Fellipe Henrique P. Soares</span></b><span style="color:black"><br>
+                  Information Forensics</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:273px"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Dígitum Information
+                    Security</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  e-mail: </span><a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</span></b></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:351px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Blog: </span><b><a href="mailto:caraponale@strongsecurity.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">www.digitumsoft.com.br/blogs/fellipeh</span></b></a></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+
+                  MSN: </span><a><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">fellipe@imicro.com.br</span></b></a></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0px;min-height:40px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><span style="text-decoration:underline"><span style="font-weight:bold"></span></span></span></p>
+
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:33.95pt;min-height:123px" width="45">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:457.8pt;min-height:123px" width="610">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US">Analista e
+                  Desenvolvedor de Softwares for Win32<br>
+                  Linux Administrator<br>
+                  Certified Ethical Hacker – C|EH Computer <br>
+                  Hacking Forensic Investigator – C|HFI</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0cm;width:0.3pt;min-height:123px" width="0">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:98px">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:60px"><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)">* As informações contidas nesta
+                  mensagem são CONFIDENCIAIS e protegidas pelo sigilo
+                  legal. A divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução do
+                  teor deste documento depende de autorização do
+                  emissor. Caso V. Sa. não seja o destinatário,
+                  preposto, ou a pessoa responsável pela entrega desta
+                  mensagem, fica, desde já, notificado que qualquer
+                  divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução é estritamente
+                  proibida, sujeitando-se o infrator às sanções legais.
+                  Caso esta comunicação tenha sido recebida por engano,
+                  favor nos avisar imediatamente, respondendo esta
+                  mensagem. </span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  * The information contained in this message is
+                  CONFIDENTIAL. If the reader of this transmittal is not
+                  the intended recipient or an agent responsible for
+                  delivering it, you are hereby notified that you have
+                  received this communication in error, and that any
+                  dissemination, distribution, retention or copy of this
+                  communication is strictly prohibited. In this case,
+                  please immediately reply this message to the sender.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:83px" width="1226">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(123, 185, 66)">Antes de imprimir pense em seu
+                  compromisso com o Meio Ambiente.</span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+    </div>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br><br>Phones:<br>
+(55) (21) 9463-7760  -&gt; Mobile<br>(55) (21) 2464-9302  -&gt; Home<br>(55) (21) 2529-5080  -&gt; Work<br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Me too. I&#39;m also developer, and I would like to help out in whatever needed, translating to portuguese or programming, optimizing or developing from scratch :)<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Fellipe Henrique <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <span><span title="">Hello,<br>
+        <br>
+        I would like to help in whatever way possible, I am a programmer
+        for 12 years, and for some time I dedicate to Linux, then I
+        would like to help in my spare time, is official in the project,
+        developing, improving security or even translating to pt-br.<br>
+        <br>
+        Regards,<br>
+        <br>
+      </span></span>
+    <div>-- <br>
+      
+      
+      <table style="width:100%;min-height:378px" border="0" cellpadding="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr style="min-height:114.15pt">
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:18.3pt;min-height:123px" width="24">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+              <br>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:246.55pt;min-height:123px" width="329">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="width:346px"><span style="color:black">T.·.F</span><span style="color:black">.·.A</span><span style="color:black">.·.</span><br>
+                <b><span style="color:black">Fellipe Henrique P. Soares</span></b><span style="color:black"><br>
+                  Information Forensics</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:273px"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Dígitum Information
+                    Security</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  e-mail: </span><a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</span></b></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:351px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Blog: </span><b><a href="mailto:caraponale@strongsecurity.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">www.digitumsoft.com.br/blogs/fellipeh</span></b></a></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+
+                  MSN: </span><a><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">fellipe@imicro.com.br</span></b></a></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0px;min-height:40px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><span style="text-decoration:underline"><span style="font-weight:bold"></span></span></span></p>
+
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:33.95pt;min-height:123px" width="45">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:457.8pt;min-height:123px" width="610">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US">Analista e
+                  Desenvolvedor de Softwares for Win32<br>
+                  Linux Administrator<br>
+                  Certified Ethical Hacker – C|EH Computer <br>
+                  Hacking Forensic Investigator – C|HFI</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0cm;width:0.3pt;min-height:123px" width="0">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:98px">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:60px"><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)">* As informações contidas nesta
+                  mensagem são CONFIDENCIAIS e protegidas pelo sigilo
+                  legal. A divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução do
+                  teor deste documento depende de autorização do
+                  emissor. Caso V. Sa. não seja o destinatário,
+                  preposto, ou a pessoa responsável pela entrega desta
+                  mensagem, fica, desde já, notificado que qualquer
+                  divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução é estritamente
+                  proibida, sujeitando-se o infrator às sanções legais.
+                  Caso esta comunicação tenha sido recebida por engano,
+                  favor nos avisar imediatamente, respondendo esta
+                  mensagem. </span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  * The information contained in this message is
+                  CONFIDENTIAL. If the reader of this transmittal is not
+                  the intended recipient or an agent responsible for
+                  delivering it, you are hereby notified that you have
+                  received this communication in error, and that any
+                  dissemination, distribution, retention or copy of this
+                  communication is strictly prohibited. In this case,
+                  please immediately reply this message to the sender.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:83px" width="1226">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(123, 185, 66)">Antes de imprimir pense em seu
+                  compromisso com o Meio Ambiente.</span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+    </div>
+  </div>
+
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+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br><br>Phones:<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="" title="">Hello,<br>
+        <br>
+        I would like to help in whatever way possible, I am a programmer
+        for 12 years, and for some time I dedicate to Linux, then I
+        would like to help in my spare time, is official in the project,
+        developing, improving security or even translating to pt-br.<br>
+        <br>
+        Regards,<br>
+        <br>
+      </span></span>
+    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+        http-equiv="content-type">
+      <title>signature</title>
+      <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 100%; height: 378px;"
+        border="0" cellpadding="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr style="height: 114.15pt;">
+            <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 18.3pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="24">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
+                  125);"></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color:
+                  rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+              <br>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 246.55pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="329">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="width: 346px;"><span
+                  style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;">T.&middot;.F</span><span style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;">.&middot;.A</span><span style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;">.&middot;.</span><br>
+                <b><span style="font-family:
+                    &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                    black;">Fellipe Henrique P. Soares</span></b><span
+                  style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;"><br>
+                  Information Forensics</span><span style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="height: 17px; width: 273px;"><b><span
+                    style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                    &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                    rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US">D&iacute;gitum Information
+                    Security</span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt;
+                  font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  e-mail: </span><a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br"><b><span
+                      style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                      &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                      rgb(51, 51, 51);">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</span></b></a><span
+                  style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="height: 17px; width: 351px;"><span
+                  style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US">Blog: </span><b><a
+                    href="mailto:caraponale@strongsecurity.com.br"><b><span
+                        style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                        &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
+                        color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">www.digitumsoft.com.br/blogs/fellipeh</span></b></a></b><span
+                  style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  MSN: </span><a href="maito:dcaraponale@hotmail.com"><b><span
+                      style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                      &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                      rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US">fellipe@imicro.com.br</span></b></a></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; height:
+                40px;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US"><span
+                    style="text-decoration: underline;"><span
+                      style="font-weight: bold;"></span></span></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 33.95pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="45">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
+                  125);">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color:
+                  rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 457.8pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="610">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="color: rgb(31,
+                  73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span><span style="font-size:
+                  7.5pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(102, 102, 102);" lang="EN-US">Analista e
+                  Desenvolvedor de Softwares for Win32<br>
+                  Linux Administrator<br>
+                  Certified Ethical Hacker &#8211; C|EH Computer <br>
+                  Hacking Forensic Investigator &#8211; C|HFI</span><span
+                  style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(102, 102, 102);" lang="EN-US">&nbsp;</span><span
+                  style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(102, 102, 102);" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding: 0cm; width: 0.3pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="0">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
+                  125);" lang="EN-US">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:
+                  12pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 919.5pt;
+              height: 98px;">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="height: 60px;"><span
+                  style="font-size: 7pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(153, 153, 153);">* As informa&ccedil;&otilde;es contidas nesta
+                  mensagem s&atilde;o CONFIDENCIAIS e protegidas pelo sigilo
+                  legal. A divulga&ccedil;&atilde;o, distribui&ccedil;&atilde;o ou reprodu&ccedil;&atilde;o do
+                  teor deste documento depende de autoriza&ccedil;&atilde;o do
+                  emissor. Caso V. Sa. n&atilde;o seja o destinat&aacute;rio,
+                  preposto, ou a pessoa respons&aacute;vel pela entrega desta
+                  mensagem, fica, desde j&aacute;, notificado que qualquer
+                  divulga&ccedil;&atilde;o, distribui&ccedil;&atilde;o ou reprodu&ccedil;&atilde;o &eacute; estritamente
+                  proibida, sujeitando-se o infrator &agrave;s san&ccedil;&otilde;es legais.
+                  Caso esta comunica&ccedil;&atilde;o tenha sido recebida por engano,
+                  favor nos avisar imediatamente, respondendo esta
+                  mensagem. </span><span style="font-size: 7pt;
+                  font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(153, 153, 153);" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  * The information contained in this message is
+                  CONFIDENTIAL. If the reader of this transmittal is not
+                  the intended recipient or an agent responsible for
+                  delivering it, you are hereby notified that you have
+                  received this communication in error, and that any
+                  dissemination, distribution, retention or copy of this
+                  communication is strictly prohibited. In this case,
+                  please immediately reply this message to the sender.</span><span
+                  style="font-size: 7pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(153, 153, 153);" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 919.5pt;
+              height: 83px;" width="1226">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
+                  7.5pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(123, 185, 66);">Antes de imprimir pense em seu
+                  compromisso com o Meio Ambiente.</span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="" title="">Hello,<br>
+        <br>
+        I would like to help in whatever way possible, I am a programmer
+        for 12 years, and for some time I dedicate to Linux, then I
+        would like to help in my spare time, is official in the project,
+        developing, improving security or even translating to pt-br.<br>
+        <br>
+        Regards,<br>
+        <br>
+      </span></span>
+    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+        http-equiv="content-type">
+      <title>signature</title>
+      <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 100%; height: 378px;"
+        border="0" cellpadding="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr style="height: 114.15pt;">
+            <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 18.3pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="24">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
+                  125);"></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color:
+                  rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+              <br>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 246.55pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="329">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="width: 346px;"><span
+                  style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;">T.&middot;.F</span><span style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;">.&middot;.A</span><span style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;">.&middot;.</span><br>
+                <b><span style="font-family:
+                    &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                    black;">Fellipe Henrique P. Soares</span></b><span
+                  style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;"><br>
+                  Information Forensics</span><span style="font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="height: 17px; width: 273px;"><b><span
+                    style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                    &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                    rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US">D&iacute;gitum Information
+                    Security</span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt;
+                  font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  e-mail: </span><a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br"><b><span
+                      style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                      &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                      rgb(51, 51, 51);">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</span></b></a><span
+                  style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="height: 17px; width: 351px;"><span
+                  style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US">Blog: </span><b><a
+                    href="mailto:caraponale@strongsecurity.com.br"><b><span
+                        style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                        &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
+                        color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">www.digitumsoft.com.br/blogs/fellipeh</span></b></a></b><span
+                  style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  MSN: </span><a href="maito:dcaraponale@hotmail.com"><b><span
+                      style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                      &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                      rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US">fellipe@imicro.com.br</span></b></a></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; height:
+                40px;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(51, 51, 51);" lang="EN-US"><span
+                    style="text-decoration: underline;"><span
+                      style="font-weight: bold;"></span></span></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 33.95pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="45">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
+                  125);">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color:
+                  rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 457.8pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="610">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="color: rgb(31,
+                  73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span><span style="font-size:
+                  7.5pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(102, 102, 102);" lang="EN-US">Analista e
+                  Desenvolvedor de Softwares for Win32<br>
+                  Linux Administrator<br>
+                  Certified Ethical Hacker &#8211; C|EH Computer <br>
+                  Hacking Forensic Investigator &#8211; C|HFI</span><span
+                  style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(102, 102, 102);" lang="EN-US">&nbsp;</span><span
+                  style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(102, 102, 102);" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding: 0cm; width: 0.3pt; height: 123px;"
+              width="0">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
+                  125);" lang="EN-US">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:
+                  12pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 919.5pt;
+              height: 98px;">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="height: 60px;"><span
+                  style="font-size: 7pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(153, 153, 153);">* As informa&ccedil;&otilde;es contidas nesta
+                  mensagem s&atilde;o CONFIDENCIAIS e protegidas pelo sigilo
+                  legal. A divulga&ccedil;&atilde;o, distribui&ccedil;&atilde;o ou reprodu&ccedil;&atilde;o do
+                  teor deste documento depende de autoriza&ccedil;&atilde;o do
+                  emissor. Caso V. Sa. n&atilde;o seja o destinat&aacute;rio,
+                  preposto, ou a pessoa respons&aacute;vel pela entrega desta
+                  mensagem, fica, desde j&aacute;, notificado que qualquer
+                  divulga&ccedil;&atilde;o, distribui&ccedil;&atilde;o ou reprodu&ccedil;&atilde;o &eacute; estritamente
+                  proibida, sujeitando-se o infrator &agrave;s san&ccedil;&otilde;es legais.
+                  Caso esta comunica&ccedil;&atilde;o tenha sido recebida por engano,
+                  favor nos avisar imediatamente, respondendo esta
+                  mensagem. </span><span style="font-size: 7pt;
+                  font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(153, 153, 153);" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  * The information contained in this message is
+                  CONFIDENTIAL. If the reader of this transmittal is not
+                  the intended recipient or an agent responsible for
+                  delivering it, you are hereby notified that you have
+                  received this communication in error, and that any
+                  dissemination, distribution, retention or copy of this
+                  communication is strictly prohibited. In this case,
+                  please immediately reply this message to the sender.</span><span
+                  style="font-size: 7pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(153, 153, 153);" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding: 0.75pt; width: 919.5pt;
+              height: 83px;" width="1226">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
+                  7.5pt; font-family:
+                  &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:
+                  rgb(123, 185, 66);">Antes de imprimir pense em seu
+                  compromisso com o Meio Ambiente.</span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hey folks,<br><br>In order to know what is in there, I was willing to browse the archives, but they are not available yet, news about this?<br><br>(and yes, I&#39;m also in)<br><br>Stef<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Tamás, Báldoghi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:baldoghi.t@mailbox.hu">baldoghi.t@mailbox.hu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div>Hey everyone! </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi there !</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m Tamás Báldoghi (tordek), from Hungary. I haven&#39;t used mandriva linux, but I would like to help the development of Mageia.</div>
+<div>Unfortunatelly I hardly speak English. :(</div>
+
+<div><font face="sans-serif" size="7"><span style="font-size:32px;line-height:24px"><font face="arial"><span style="line-height:normal;font-size:small"><br></span></font></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+Welcome on board! Well there will be a lot to do. Why not managing hungarian Mageia community ? ;)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><font face="sans-serif" size="7"><span style="font-size:32px;line-height:24px"><font face="arial"><span style="line-height:normal;font-size:small">
+</span></font></span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif" size="7"><span style="font-size:32px;line-height:24px"><font face="arial"><span style="line-height:normal;font-size:small">Best Wishes!</span></font></span></font></div>
+
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Tamás, Báldoghi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:baldoghi.t@mailbox.hu">baldoghi.t@mailbox.hu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div>Hey everyone! </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi there !</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m Tamás Báldoghi (tordek), from Hungary. I haven&#39;t used mandriva linux, but I would like to help the development of Mageia.</div>
+<div>Unfortunatelly I hardly speak English. :(</div>
+
+<div><font face="sans-serif" size="7"><span style="font-size:32px;line-height:24px"><font face="arial"><span style="line-height:normal;font-size:small"><br></span></font></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+Welcome on board! Well there will be a lot to do. Why not managing hungarian Mageia community ? ;)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><font face="sans-serif" size="7"><span style="font-size:32px;line-height:24px"><font face="arial"><span style="line-height:normal;font-size:small">
+</span></font></span></font></div><div><font face="sans-serif" size="7"><span style="font-size:32px;line-height:24px"><font face="arial"><span style="line-height:normal;font-size:small">Best Wishes!</span></font></span></font></div>
+
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>I&#39;m a brazilian Mandriva&#39;s user, since the version 10.0. I would like to contribute to this new project. <br>I know C/C++, PHP and Java languages. Moreover, I could translate english documents to portuguese (br), or be a tester.<br>
+
+
+
+<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Best <span class="il">regards,<br><br>Bruno<br></span></font>
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+Hello,<br><br>I&#39;m a brazilian Mandriva&#39;s user, since the version 10.0. I would like to contribute to this new project. <br>I know C/C++, PHP and Java languages. Moreover, I could translate english documents to portuguese (br), or be a tester.<br>
+
+
+
+<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Best <span class="il">regards,<br><br>Bruno<br></span></font>
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+<div>Hey everyone! </div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m Tamás Báldoghi (tordek), from Hungary. I haven&#39;t used mandriva linux, but I would like to help the development of Mageia.</div><div>Unfortunatelly I hardly speak English. :(</div>
+
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif" size="7"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 32px; line-height: 24px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif" size="7"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 32px; line-height: 24px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; font-size: small;">Best Wishes!</span></font></span></font></div>
+
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+<div>Hey everyone! </div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m Tamás Báldoghi (tordek), from Hungary. I haven&#39;t used mandriva linux, but I would like to help the development of Mageia.</div><div>Unfortunatelly I hardly speak English. :(</div>
+
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif" size="7"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 32px; line-height: 24px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="sans-serif" size="7"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 32px; line-height: 24px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; font-size: small;">Best Wishes!</span></font></span></font></div>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 19 septembre 2010 11:05, Stéphane Téletchéa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:steletch@gmail.com">steletch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hey folks,<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Stephane :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>In order to know what is in there, I was willing to browse the archives, but they are not available yet, news about this?<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes it looks like we have a pb with mailman. It has been reported. Thanks ! </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+(and yes, I&#39;m also in)<br><br>Stef<br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 19 septembre 2010 11:05, Stéphane Téletchéa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:steletch@gmail.com">steletch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hey folks,<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Stephane :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>In order to know what is in there, I was willing to browse the archives, but they are not available yet, news about this?<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes it looks like we have a pb with mailman. It has been reported. Thanks ! </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+(and yes, I&#39;m also in)<br><br>Stef<br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Hello everyone<br><br></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Following the recommendation given to me in '#mageia-dev' I offer my support for this project.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">I work as a Linux systems administrator for some time. </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Also perhaps I could get some hardware and bandwidth to host services for 'mageia'.<br><br></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">If you are interested in my assistance in this area, I am at your disposal.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">Greetings</span></span><br><br><br><p>________________________________________________________________________</p><p> * Free Soul</p><p> </p></td></tr></table><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Gabriel Duarte <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:confusosk8@gmail.com">confusosk8@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Me too. I&#39;m also developer, and I would like to help out in whatever needed, translating to portuguese or programming, optimizing or developing from scratch :)<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Fellipe Henrique <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br" target="_blank">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <span><span title="">Hello,<br>
+        <br>
+        I would like to help in whatever way possible, I am a programmer
+        for 12 years, and for some time I dedicate to Linux, then I
+        would like to help in my spare time, is official in the project,
+        developing, improving security or even translating to pt-br.<br>
+        <br>
+        Regards,<br>
+        <br>
+      </span></span>
+    <div>-- <br>
+      
+      
+      <table style="width:100%;min-height:378px" border="0" cellpadding="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr style="min-height:114.15pt">
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:18.3pt;min-height:123px" width="24">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+              <br>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:246.55pt;min-height:123px" width="329">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="width:346px"><span style="color:black">T.·.F</span><span style="color:black">.·.A</span><span style="color:black">.·.</span><br>
+                <b><span style="color:black">Fellipe Henrique P. Soares</span></b><span style="color:black"><br>
+                  Information Forensics</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:273px"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Dígitum Information
+                    Security</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  e-mail: </span><a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</span></b></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+
+
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:351px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Blog: </span><b><a href="mailto:caraponale@strongsecurity.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">www.digitumsoft.com.br/blogs/fellipeh</span></b></a></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+
+
+                  MSN: </span><a><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">fellipe@imicro.com.br</span></b></a></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0px;min-height:40px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><span style="text-decoration:underline"><span style="font-weight:bold"></span></span></span></p>
+
+
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:33.95pt;min-height:123px" width="45">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:457.8pt;min-height:123px" width="610">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US">Analista e
+                  Desenvolvedor de Softwares for Win32<br>
+                  Linux Administrator<br>
+                  Certified Ethical Hacker – C|EH Computer <br>
+                  Hacking Forensic Investigator – C|HFI</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0cm;width:0.3pt;min-height:123px" width="0">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:98px">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:60px"><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)">* As informações contidas nesta
+                  mensagem são CONFIDENCIAIS e protegidas pelo sigilo
+                  legal. A divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução do
+                  teor deste documento depende de autorização do
+                  emissor. Caso V. Sa. não seja o destinatário,
+                  preposto, ou a pessoa responsável pela entrega desta
+                  mensagem, fica, desde já, notificado que qualquer
+                  divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução é estritamente
+                  proibida, sujeitando-se o infrator às sanções legais.
+                  Caso esta comunicação tenha sido recebida por engano,
+                  favor nos avisar imediatamente, respondendo esta
+                  mensagem. </span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  * The information contained in this message is
+                  CONFIDENTIAL. If the reader of this transmittal is not
+                  the intended recipient or an agent responsible for
+                  delivering it, you are hereby notified that you have
+                  received this communication in error, and that any
+                  dissemination, distribution, retention or copy of this
+                  communication is strictly prohibited. In this case,
+                  please immediately reply this message to the sender.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:83px" width="1226">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(123, 185, 66)">Antes de imprimir pense em seu
+                  compromisso com o Meio Ambiente.</span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+    </div>
+  </div>
+
+<br></div></div><div class="im">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></div></blockquote></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br>
+<br>Phones:<br>
+(55) (21) 9463-7760  -&gt; Mobile<br>(55) (21) 2464-9302  -&gt; Home<br>(55) (21) 2529-5080  -&gt; Work<br>
+</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>Me too, but i&#39;m starting in S.O. Programming, i want to contribute testing!! :D<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Romulo Pires Pinto<br>UFF/IC/BCC<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Gabriel Duarte <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:confusosk8@gmail.com">confusosk8@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Me too. I&#39;m also developer, and I would like to help out in whatever needed, translating to portuguese or programming, optimizing or developing from scratch :)<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Fellipe Henrique <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br" target="_blank">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <span><span title="">Hello,<br>
+        <br>
+        I would like to help in whatever way possible, I am a programmer
+        for 12 years, and for some time I dedicate to Linux, then I
+        would like to help in my spare time, is official in the project,
+        developing, improving security or even translating to pt-br.<br>
+        <br>
+        Regards,<br>
+        <br>
+      </span></span>
+    <div>-- <br>
+      
+      
+      <table style="width:100%;min-height:378px" border="0" cellpadding="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr style="min-height:114.15pt">
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:18.3pt;min-height:123px" width="24">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+              <br>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:246.55pt;min-height:123px" width="329">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="width:346px"><span style="color:black">T.·.F</span><span style="color:black">.·.A</span><span style="color:black">.·.</span><br>
+                <b><span style="color:black">Fellipe Henrique P. Soares</span></b><span style="color:black"><br>
+                  Information Forensics</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:273px"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Dígitum Information
+                    Security</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  e-mail: </span><a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</span></b></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+
+
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:351px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Blog: </span><b><a href="mailto:caraponale@strongsecurity.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">www.digitumsoft.com.br/blogs/fellipeh</span></b></a></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+
+
+                  MSN: </span><a><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">fellipe@imicro.com.br</span></b></a></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0px;min-height:40px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><span style="text-decoration:underline"><span style="font-weight:bold"></span></span></span></p>
+
+
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:33.95pt;min-height:123px" width="45">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:457.8pt;min-height:123px" width="610">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US">Analista e
+                  Desenvolvedor de Softwares for Win32<br>
+                  Linux Administrator<br>
+                  Certified Ethical Hacker – C|EH Computer <br>
+                  Hacking Forensic Investigator – C|HFI</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0cm;width:0.3pt;min-height:123px" width="0">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:98px">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:60px"><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)">* As informações contidas nesta
+                  mensagem são CONFIDENCIAIS e protegidas pelo sigilo
+                  legal. A divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução do
+                  teor deste documento depende de autorização do
+                  emissor. Caso V. Sa. não seja o destinatário,
+                  preposto, ou a pessoa responsável pela entrega desta
+                  mensagem, fica, desde já, notificado que qualquer
+                  divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução é estritamente
+                  proibida, sujeitando-se o infrator às sanções legais.
+                  Caso esta comunicação tenha sido recebida por engano,
+                  favor nos avisar imediatamente, respondendo esta
+                  mensagem. </span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  * The information contained in this message is
+                  CONFIDENTIAL. If the reader of this transmittal is not
+                  the intended recipient or an agent responsible for
+                  delivering it, you are hereby notified that you have
+                  received this communication in error, and that any
+                  dissemination, distribution, retention or copy of this
+                  communication is strictly prohibited. In this case,
+                  please immediately reply this message to the sender.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:83px" width="1226">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(123, 185, 66)">Antes de imprimir pense em seu
+                  compromisso com o Meio Ambiente.</span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+    </div>
+  </div>
+
+<br></div></div><div class="im">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></div></blockquote></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br>
+<br>Phones:<br>
+(55) (21) 9463-7760  -&gt; Mobile<br>(55) (21) 2464-9302  -&gt; Home<br>(55) (21) 2529-5080  -&gt; Work<br>
+</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>Me too, but i&#39;m starting in S.O. Programming, i want to contribute testing!! :D<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Romulo Pires Pinto<br>UFF/IC/BCC<br><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I&#39;m FuRex, french Mandriva User, I use Mandrake/Mandriva since MDK 10.1, I would like to contribute to this new project. <br>I can code ksh/csh/bash, and a little bit of python, I could translate, or write doc, or be a tester.<br>
+<br>Thanks you to give me a smile with that project.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>FuReX<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I&#39;m FuRex, french Mandriva User, I use Mandrake/Mandriva since MDK 10.1, I would like to contribute to this new project. <br>I can code ksh/csh/bash, and a little bit of python, I could translate, or write doc, or be a tester.<br>
+<br>Thanks you to give me a smile with that project.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>FuReX<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Archives are now available</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers </div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Archives are now available</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers </div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Fellipe Henrique <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <span><span title="">Hello,<br>
+        <br>
+        I would like to help in whatever way possible, I am a programmer
+        for 12 years, and for some time I dedicate to Linux, then I
+        would like to help in my spare time, is official in the project,
+        developing, improving security or even translating to pt-br.<br>
+        <br>
+        Regards,<br>
+        <br>
+      </span></span>
+    <div>-- <br>
+      
+      
+      <table style="width:100%;min-height:378px" border="0" cellpadding="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr style="min-height:114.15pt">
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:18.3pt;min-height:123px" width="24">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+              <br>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:246.55pt;min-height:123px" width="329">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="width:346px"><span style="color:black">T.·.F</span><span style="color:black">.·.A</span><span style="color:black">.·.</span><br>
+                <b><span style="color:black">Fellipe Henrique P. Soares</span></b><span style="color:black"><br>
+                  Information Forensics</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:273px"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Dígitum Information
+                    Security</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  e-mail: </span><a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</span></b></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:351px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Blog: </span><b><a href="mailto:caraponale@strongsecurity.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">www.digitumsoft.com.br/blogs/fellipeh</span></b></a></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+
+                  MSN: </span><a><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">fellipe@imicro.com.br</span></b></a></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0px;min-height:40px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><span style="text-decoration:underline"><span style="font-weight:bold"></span></span></span></p>
+
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:33.95pt;min-height:123px" width="45">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:457.8pt;min-height:123px" width="610">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US">Analista e
+                  Desenvolvedor de Softwares for Win32<br>
+                  Linux Administrator<br>
+                  Certified Ethical Hacker – C|EH Computer <br>
+                  Hacking Forensic Investigator – C|HFI</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0cm;width:0.3pt;min-height:123px" width="0">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:98px">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:60px"><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)">* As informações contidas nesta
+                  mensagem são CONFIDENCIAIS e protegidas pelo sigilo
+                  legal. A divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução do
+                  teor deste documento depende de autorização do
+                  emissor. Caso V. Sa. não seja o destinatário,
+                  preposto, ou a pessoa responsável pela entrega desta
+                  mensagem, fica, desde já, notificado que qualquer
+                  divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução é estritamente
+                  proibida, sujeitando-se o infrator às sanções legais.
+                  Caso esta comunicação tenha sido recebida por engano,
+                  favor nos avisar imediatamente, respondendo esta
+                  mensagem. </span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  * The information contained in this message is
+                  CONFIDENTIAL. If the reader of this transmittal is not
+                  the intended recipient or an agent responsible for
+                  delivering it, you are hereby notified that you have
+                  received this communication in error, and that any
+                  dissemination, distribution, retention or copy of this
+                  communication is strictly prohibited. In this case,
+                  please immediately reply this message to the sender.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:83px" width="1226">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(123, 185, 66)">Antes de imprimir pense em seu
+                  compromisso com o Meio Ambiente.</span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+    </div>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br><br>Phones:<br>
+(55) (21) 9463-7760  -&gt; Mobile<br>(55) (21) 2464-9302  -&gt; Home<br>(55) (21) 2529-5080  -&gt; Work<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Fellipe Henrique <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <span><span title="">Hello,<br>
+        <br>
+        I would like to help in whatever way possible, I am a programmer
+        for 12 years, and for some time I dedicate to Linux, then I
+        would like to help in my spare time, is official in the project,
+        developing, improving security or even translating to pt-br.<br>
+        <br>
+        Regards,<br>
+        <br>
+      </span></span>
+    <div>-- <br>
+      
+      
+      <table style="width:100%;min-height:378px" border="0" cellpadding="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr style="min-height:114.15pt">
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:18.3pt;min-height:123px" width="24">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+              <br>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:246.55pt;min-height:123px" width="329">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="width:346px"><span style="color:black">T.·.F</span><span style="color:black">.·.A</span><span style="color:black">.·.</span><br>
+                <b><span style="color:black">Fellipe Henrique P. Soares</span></b><span style="color:black"><br>
+                  Information Forensics</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:273px"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Dígitum Information
+                    Security</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  e-mail: </span><a href="mailto:fellipe.h@uol.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">fellipe.h@uol.com.br</span></b></a><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:17px;width:351px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">Blog: </span><b><a href="mailto:caraponale@strongsecurity.com.br" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">www.digitumsoft.com.br/blogs/fellipeh</span></b></a></b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+
+                  MSN: </span><a><b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US">fellipe@imicro.com.br</span></b></a></p>
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0px;min-height:40px"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 51)" lang="EN-US"><span style="text-decoration:underline"><span style="font-weight:bold"></span></span></span></p>
+
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:33.95pt;min-height:123px" width="45">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0.75pt;width:457.8pt;min-height:123px" width="610">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US">Analista e
+                  Desenvolvedor de Softwares for Win32<br>
+                  Linux Administrator<br>
+                  Certified Ethical Hacker – C|EH Computer <br>
+                  Hacking Forensic Investigator – C|HFI</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(102, 102, 102)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+            <td style="padding:0cm;width:0.3pt;min-height:123px" width="0">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:98px">
+              <p class="MsoNormal" style="min-height:60px"><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)">* As informações contidas nesta
+                  mensagem são CONFIDENCIAIS e protegidas pelo sigilo
+                  legal. A divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução do
+                  teor deste documento depende de autorização do
+                  emissor. Caso V. Sa. não seja o destinatário,
+                  preposto, ou a pessoa responsável pela entrega desta
+                  mensagem, fica, desde já, notificado que qualquer
+                  divulgação, distribuição ou reprodução é estritamente
+                  proibida, sujeitando-se o infrator às sanções legais.
+                  Caso esta comunicação tenha sido recebida por engano,
+                  favor nos avisar imediatamente, respondendo esta
+                  mensagem. </span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"><br>
+                  * The information contained in this message is
+                  CONFIDENTIAL. If the reader of this transmittal is not
+                  the intended recipient or an agent responsible for
+                  delivering it, you are hereby notified that you have
+                  received this communication in error, and that any
+                  dissemination, distribution, retention or copy of this
+                  communication is strictly prohibited. In this case,
+                  please immediately reply this message to the sender.</span><span style="font-size:7pt;color:rgb(153, 153, 153)" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td colspan="5" style="padding:0.75pt;width:919.5pt;min-height:83px" width="1226">
+              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(123, 185, 66)">Antes de imprimir pense em seu
+                  compromisso com o Meio Ambiente.</span></p>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+    </div>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br><br>Phones:<br>
+(55) (21) 9463-7760  -&gt; Mobile<br>(55) (21) 2464-9302  -&gt; Home<br>(55) (21) 2529-5080  -&gt; Work<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Okay Colin - thank you!<br>
+    <br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>English (US, UK) documentation, proofreading</li>
+      <li>packaging of ISOs</li>
+      <li>I can do some testing</li>
+      <li>builds/source control maintenance (Maven, SVN, etc)</li>
+      <li>some kernel development ( I am not as Cracker-Jack as some
+        folks, but I can do some beginner/intermediate stuff)</li>
+      <li>VMWare images - those are always nice</li>
+      <li>repository set-up (using yum, apt-get, apt-cache, etc)&nbsp;</li>
+    </ul>
+    Thank you again.<br>
+    <br>
+    Glen<br>
+    <br>
+    Colin Guthrie said the following on 9/19/2010 9:07 AM:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C960B28.20100@colin.guthr.ie" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">'Twas brillig, and GlenM at 19/09/10 13:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap=""> Hello There;
+
+I just discovered this project and I would like to get involved.
+
+Who would I speak to about this?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+It's early days and infrastructure stuff is still being setup. Stick
+around on the list and ask again in a couple weeks.
+
+Also best to state which areas you are interesting in helping out with
+as some bits will be available more quickly than others.
+
+Col
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-dev mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Okay Colin - thank you!<br>
+    <br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>English (US, UK) documentation, proofreading</li>
+      <li>packaging of ISOs</li>
+      <li>I can do some testing</li>
+      <li>builds/source control maintenance (Maven, SVN, etc)</li>
+      <li>some kernel development ( I am not as Cracker-Jack as some
+        folks, but I can do some beginner/intermediate stuff)</li>
+      <li>VMWare images - those are always nice</li>
+      <li>repository set-up (using yum, apt-get, apt-cache, etc)&nbsp;</li>
+    </ul>
+    Thank you again.<br>
+    <br>
+    Glen<br>
+    <br>
+    Colin Guthrie said the following on 9/19/2010 9:07 AM:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C960B28.20100@colin.guthr.ie" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">'Twas brillig, and GlenM at 19/09/10 13:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap=""> Hello There;
+
+I just discovered this project and I would like to get involved.
+
+Who would I speak to about this?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+It's early days and infrastructure stuff is still being setup. Stick
+around on the list and ask again in a couple weeks.
+
+Also best to state which areas you are interesting in helping out with
+as some bits will be available more quickly than others.
+
+Col
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-dev mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello,<div><br></div><div>Best of luck to all. I just read the news and am looking forward to seeing you succeed. If you need help, let me know, as some of you may remember me from the late days of Mandrakesoft. I am happy to help (as my time allows) with packaging if you need the help. Also, I can contribute a mirror when it is needed.</div><div><br></div><div>-Chris Molnar</div><div><br></div><br><br><div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">------------------------------------<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">	</span></div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Christopher Molnar, EdD<br>Curriculum Specialist</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Porter and Chester Institute, Inc.</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">(860) 288-5657 &nbsp;-&nbsp;(860) 798-7032 (cell)</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Skype: cmolnar2</div><div style="font-size: 12px; "><br></div>
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+<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello,<div><br></div><div>Best of luck to all. I just read the news and am looking forward to seeing you succeed. If you need help, let me know, as some of you may remember me from the late days of Mandrakesoft. I am happy to help (as my time allows) with packaging if you need the help. Also, I can contribute a mirror when it is needed.</div><div><br></div><div>-Chris Molnar</div><div><br></div><br><br><div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">------------------------------------<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; ">	</span></div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Christopher Molnar, EdD<br>Curriculum Specialist</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Porter and Chester Institute, Inc.</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">(860) 288-5657 &nbsp;-&nbsp;(860) 798-7032 (cell)</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Skype: cmolnar2</div><div style="font-size: 12px; "><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On 18 September 2010 22:42, Megastorage &lt;<a href="mailto:megastorage@hotmail.fr">megastorage@hotmail.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;  Dear all,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can give my name on the list.<br></div></blockquote><div>And me too please. Thanks. ;)</div><div>Jean-Gabriel HAYS (janot) </div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>
+
+Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On 18 September 2010 22:42, Megastorage &lt;<a href="mailto:megastorage@hotmail.fr">megastorage@hotmail.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;  Dear all,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can give my name on the list.<br></div></blockquote><div>And me too please. Thanks. ;)</div><div>Jean-Gabriel HAYS (janot) </div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>
+
+Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">GlenM</b> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:glenmillard@gmail.com">glenmillard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 09:28<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Questions<br>To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;<br>
+<br><br>
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Okay Colin - thank you!<br>
+    <br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>English (US, UK) documentation, proofreading</li>
+      <li>packaging of ISOs</li>
+      <li>I can do some testing</li>
+      <li>builds/source control maintenance (Maven, SVN, etc)</li>
+      <li>some kernel development ( I am not as Cracker-Jack as some
+        folks, but I can do some beginner/intermediate stuff)</li>
+      <li>VMWare images - those are always nice</li>
+      <li>repository set-up (using yum, apt-get, apt-cache, etc) </li>
+    </ul>
+    Thank you again.<br>
+    <br>
+    Glen<br>
+    <br>
+    Colin Guthrie said the following on 9/19/2010 9:07 AM:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre>&#39;Twas brillig, and GlenM at 19/09/10 13:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</pre><div class="im">
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre> Hello There;
+
+I just discovered this project and I would like to get involved.
+
+Who would I speak to about this?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      </div><pre>It&#39;s early days and infrastructure stuff is still being setup. Stick
+around on the list and ask again in a couple weeks.
+
+Also best to state which areas you are interesting in helping out with
+as some bits will be available more quickly than others.
+
+Col
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-dev mailing list
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </div>
+
+</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">GlenM</b> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:glenmillard@gmail.com">glenmillard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 09:28<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Questions<br>To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;<br>
+<br><br>
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Okay Colin - thank you!<br>
+    <br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>English (US, UK) documentation, proofreading</li>
+      <li>packaging of ISOs</li>
+      <li>I can do some testing</li>
+      <li>builds/source control maintenance (Maven, SVN, etc)</li>
+      <li>some kernel development ( I am not as Cracker-Jack as some
+        folks, but I can do some beginner/intermediate stuff)</li>
+      <li>VMWare images - those are always nice</li>
+      <li>repository set-up (using yum, apt-get, apt-cache, etc) </li>
+    </ul>
+    Thank you again.<br>
+    <br>
+    Glen<br>
+    <br>
+    Colin Guthrie said the following on 9/19/2010 9:07 AM:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre>&#39;Twas brillig, and GlenM at 19/09/10 13:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</pre><div class="im">
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre> Hello There;
+
+I just discovered this project and I would like to get involved.
+
+Who would I speak to about this?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      </div><pre>It&#39;s early days and infrastructure stuff is still being setup. Stick
+around on the list and ask again in a couple weeks.
+
+Also best to state which areas you are interesting in helping out with
+as some bits will be available more quickly than others.
+
+Col
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-dev mailing list
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </div>
+
+</div><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>My name is Francesc Martínez (24 years old). I&#39;ve been a Mandrake and Mandriva user from the begins and I am experienced with C, C++ and Java. At present I&#39;m working with C++ and Qt (desktop application), and I think in december I&#39;ll be Nokia-Qt certified developer. I think that contribute to Mageia project is one of the best ways to promote free and open source. In addition, a community project is better that to have a company at background and is the main reason to start coding for Mageia.<br>
+
+<br>I have been in the chat but I was alone, is because of this that I would like to be added in the contributors list like:<br><br>Francesc Martínez (XescoMM) - BlogDrake admin and Mandriva contributor (translations, bugs)<br>
+
+<br><br><br>I hope you accept my help and I could help you.<br><br>Thanks in advance for this opportunity,<br>Francesc.-<br>
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+Hello,<br><br>My name is Francesc Martínez (24 years old). I&#39;ve been a Mandrake and Mandriva user from the begins and I am experienced with C, C++ and Java. At present I&#39;m working with C++ and Qt (desktop application), and I think in december I&#39;ll be Nokia-Qt certified developer. I think that contribute to Mageia project is one of the best ways to promote free and open source. In addition, a community project is better that to have a company at background and is the main reason to start coding for Mageia.<br>
+
+<br>I have been in the chat but I was alone, is because of this that I would like to be added in the contributors list like:<br><br>Francesc Martínez (XescoMM) - BlogDrake admin and Mandriva contributor (translations, bugs)<br>
+
+<br><br><br>I hope you accept my help and I could help you.<br><br>Thanks in advance for this opportunity,<br>Francesc.-<br>
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+Please could you add the following line on the list. Thanks ;)<div><br></div><div>Jean-Gabriel HAYS (janot) - French contributor<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>
+
+Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
+</div>
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+Please could you add the following line on the list. Thanks ;)<div><br></div><div>Jean-Gabriel HAYS (janot) - French contributor<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>
+
+Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 JackDaniels93 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jackda93@free.fr">jackda93@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+Good news janot !<br>
+I know you can make the best java software ever seen !<br></blockquote><div>Marf ! Yes I can, and I&#39;m sure that my Java programs are working fine (better thant yours PHP codes ;p ) <br></div></div><br><br clear="all">
+
+<br>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 JackDaniels93 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jackda93@free.fr">jackda93@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+Good news janot !<br>
+I know you can make the best java software ever seen !<br></blockquote><div>Marf ! Yes I can, and I&#39;m sure that my Java programs are working fine (better thant yours PHP codes ;p ) <br></div></div><br><br clear="all">
+
+<br>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
+
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 JackDaniels93 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jackda93@free.fr">jackda93@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+Why not, but mine are faster than yours!<br></blockquote><div> That&#39;s wrong !! I remember you that your Pentium 166-MMX is a little too &quot;tiny&quot; for interpreting more than 3 PHP code-lines. :)<br>But there is one way where you win all the time : the number of whisky glass you drink by a day ! :)<br>
+
+<br>Regards tonton ! :)<br></div></div>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>
+
+Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 JackDaniels93 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jackda93@free.fr">jackda93@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+Why not, but mine are faster than yours!<br></blockquote><div> That&#39;s wrong !! I remember you that your Pentium 166-MMX is a little too &quot;tiny&quot; for interpreting more than 3 PHP code-lines. :)<br>But there is one way where you win all the time : the number of whisky glass you drink by a day ! :)<br>
+
+<br>Regards tonton ! :)<br></div></div>-- <br>Jean-Gabriel HAYS - <a href="http://www.haysjg.fr/">http://www.haysjg.fr/</a><br>Débuter sur Mandriva Linux : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/</a><br>
+
+Mandriva Linux One 64 bits : <a href="http://www.community64.net">http://www.community64.net</a><br>
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+<span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"> </span>Hi<br><br>I&#39;m also very interested in Server packages. ¿Did anyone speak with Oden?<br>Mandríva server packages has always been very stable. In my opinion mageia should mantain and boost this line. <br>
+Mageia must be a great server distro<br>For server packager/tester/bug reporting team, count me in!<br>Bersuit.<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><br>2010/9/20 Gergely Lónyai <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gergely@lonyai.com">gergely@lonyai.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Have we got a conception to server packages? I have some server and my<br>
+work required me to package/recompile some server related package.<br>
+I torn between Mageia and Mandriva:<br>
+ - I don&#39;t know what does the mandriva (the official new is in France<br>
+lang), but they want to do strong the server side, and most friend came<br>
+here.<br>
+ - If the Mageia fork the server side (without Oden) with a right<br>
+conception then I connect this community.<br>
+If the quality don&#39;t guaranteed then I need stand to Mandriva (or<br>
+CentOS).<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s go:<br>
+Aleph<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"> </span>Hi<br><br>I&#39;m also very interested in Server packages. ¿Did anyone speak with Oden?<br>Mandríva server packages has always been very stable. In my opinion mageia should mantain and boost this line. <br>
+Mageia must be a great server distro<br>For server packager/tester/bug reporting team, count me in!<br>Bersuit.<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><br>2010/9/20 Gergely Lónyai <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gergely@lonyai.com">gergely@lonyai.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Have we got a conception to server packages? I have some server and my<br>
+work required me to package/recompile some server related package.<br>
+I torn between Mageia and Mandriva:<br>
+ - I don&#39;t know what does the mandriva (the official new is in France<br>
+lang), but they want to do strong the server side, and most friend came<br>
+here.<br>
+ - If the Mageia fork the server side (without Oden) with a right<br>
+conception then I connect this community.<br>
+If the quality don&#39;t guaranteed then I need stand to Mandriva (or<br>
+CentOS).<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s go:<br>
+Aleph<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Francesc Martinez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:francescmm@gmail.com">francescmm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hello,<br><br>My name is Francesc Martínez (24 years old). I&#39;ve been a Mandrake and Mandriva user from the begins and I am experienced with C, C++ and Java. At present I&#39;m working with C++ and Qt (desktop application), and I think in december I&#39;ll be Nokia-Qt certified developer. I think that contribute to Mageia project is one of the best ways to promote free and open source. In addition, a community project is better that to have a company at background and is the main reason to start coding for Mageia.<br>
+
+
+<br>I have been in the chat but I was alone, is because of this that I would like to be added in the contributors list like:<br><br>Francesc Martínez (XescoMM) - BlogDrake admin and Mandriva contributor (translations, bugs)<br>
+
+
+<br><br><br>I hope you accept my help and I could help you.<br><br>Thanks in advance for this opportunity,<br><font color="#888888">Francesc.-<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>Hi Xesco.<br><br>Welcome aboard (again)<br> ;)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Francesc Martinez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:francescmm@gmail.com">francescmm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hello,<br><br>My name is Francesc Martínez (24 years old). I&#39;ve been a Mandrake and Mandriva user from the begins and I am experienced with C, C++ and Java. At present I&#39;m working with C++ and Qt (desktop application), and I think in december I&#39;ll be Nokia-Qt certified developer. I think that contribute to Mageia project is one of the best ways to promote free and open source. In addition, a community project is better that to have a company at background and is the main reason to start coding for Mageia.<br>
+
+
+<br>I have been in the chat but I was alone, is because of this that I would like to be added in the contributors list like:<br><br>Francesc Martínez (XescoMM) - BlogDrake admin and Mandriva contributor (translations, bugs)<br>
+
+
+<br><br><br>I hope you accept my help and I could help you.<br><br>Thanks in advance for this opportunity,<br><font color="#888888">Francesc.-<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>Hi Xesco.<br><br>Welcome aboard (again)<br> ;)<br>
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+Thanks!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Diego Bello <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com">dbello@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Jorge Louzao &lt;<a href="mailto:berciano@soydelbierzo.com">berciano@soydelbierzo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi all.<br>
+&gt; My name is Jorge and I was a poweruser of Mandriva and sysadmin (actually<br>
+&gt; Ubuntu, RH &amp; CentOS).<br>
+&gt; I was asked by vfmBOFH to enrol and come back home to help with this new<br>
+&gt; distribution.<br>
+&gt; I can help in translations to spanish and galician, testing and anything you<br>
+&gt; need.<br>
+&gt; Regards.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Good :)<br>
+<br>
+For Spanish translation you can join the MDKTrans team at <a href="http://www.blogdrake.net" target="_blank">www.blogdrake.net</a>.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Diego Bello Carreño<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Thanks!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Diego Bello <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com">dbello@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Jorge Louzao &lt;<a href="mailto:berciano@soydelbierzo.com">berciano@soydelbierzo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi all.<br>
+&gt; My name is Jorge and I was a poweruser of Mandriva and sysadmin (actually<br>
+&gt; Ubuntu, RH &amp; CentOS).<br>
+&gt; I was asked by vfmBOFH to enrol and come back home to help with this new<br>
+&gt; distribution.<br>
+&gt; I can help in translations to spanish and galician, testing and anything you<br>
+&gt; need.<br>
+&gt; Regards.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Good :)<br>
+<br>
+For Spanish translation you can join the MDKTrans team at <a href="http://www.blogdrake.net" target="_blank">www.blogdrake.net</a>.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Diego Bello Carreño<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+I&#39;ve already come to IRC. I am C++ Qt4 developer, not certified but skilled in Qt because of developing corporative apps at any tasks. Also I can handle web-coding using PHP, Ajax, futher more... And of course russian translations.<br>
+I suppose I can help with KDE project (already started to sneak around it).<br>
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+I&#39;ve already come to IRC. I am C++ Qt4 developer, not certified but skilled in Qt because of developing corporative apps at any tasks. Also I can handle web-coding using PHP, Ajax, futher more... And of course russian translations.<br>
+I suppose I can help with KDE project (already started to sneak around it).<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100921/412a72e8/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100921/412a72e8/attachment-0001.html
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+<p>Hello i want contribute to mageia, i use mandriva since 9.2 version.<br>
+I can contribute in translate (english to french), package, bug report, and i&#39;m a beginner in Qt devel but i can try to build easy configuration interface. Thanks</p>
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+<p>Hello i want contribute to mageia, i use mandriva since 9.2 version.<br>
+I can contribute in translate (english to french), package, bug report, and i&#39;m a beginner in Qt devel but i can try to build easy configuration interface. Thanks</p>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
+<html><head>
+    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
+    <meta name="generator" content="Osso Notes">
+    <title></title></head>
+<body>
+<p>----- Message d'origine -----
+<br>&gt; I've already come to IRC. I am C++ Qt4 developer, not certified but
+<br>&gt; skilled in Qt because of developing corporative apps at any tasks. Also
+<br>&gt; I can handle web-coding using PHP, Ajax, futher more... And of course
+<br>&gt; russian translations.
+<br>&gt; I suppose I can help with KDE project (already started to sneak around
+<br>&gt; it).
+<br>
+<br>Maybe we will see a Mageia Control Center in Qt4 ? 
+<br>
+<br>--
+<br>Dimitris Glentadakis </p>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
+<html><head>
+    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
+    <meta name="generator" content="Osso Notes">
+    <title></title></head>
+<body>
+<p>----- Message d'origine -----
+<br>&gt; I've already come to IRC. I am C++ Qt4 developer, not certified but
+<br>&gt; skilled in Qt because of developing corporative apps at any tasks. Also
+<br>&gt; I can handle web-coding using PHP, Ajax, futher more... And of course
+<br>&gt; russian translations.
+<br>&gt; I suppose I can help with KDE project (already started to sneak around
+<br>&gt; it).
+<br>
+<br>Maybe we will see a Mageia Control Center in Qt4 ? 
+<br>
+<br>--
+<br>Dimitris Glentadakis </p>
+</body>
+</html>
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+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; ----- Message d&#39;origine -----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve already come to IRC. I am C++ Qt4 developer, not certified but<br>
+&gt;&gt; skilled in Qt because of developing corporative apps at any tasks. Also<br>
+&gt;&gt; I can handle web-coding using PHP, Ajax, futher more... And of course<br>
+&gt;&gt; russian translations.<br>
+&gt;&gt; I suppose I can help with KDE project (already started to sneak around<br>
+&gt;&gt; it).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe we will see a Mageia Control Center in Qt4 ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Dimitris Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;<br><br>Sounds exciting. But don&#39;t sure about pure Qt4. Perhaps KDE can do it better using KParts?<br>It will looks like KDE4 System Settings. Perhaps control center can even be integrated with KDE&#39;s System Settings.<br>
+I belive it won&#39;t be a challenge and will looks like native for KDE users and useable as a separate application for other desktop users.<br>
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+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; ----- Message d&#39;origine -----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve already come to IRC. I am C++ Qt4 developer, not certified but<br>
+&gt;&gt; skilled in Qt because of developing corporative apps at any tasks. Also<br>
+&gt;&gt; I can handle web-coding using PHP, Ajax, futher more... And of course<br>
+&gt;&gt; russian translations.<br>
+&gt;&gt; I suppose I can help with KDE project (already started to sneak around<br>
+&gt;&gt; it).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe we will see a Mageia Control Center in Qt4 ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Dimitris Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;<br><br>Sounds exciting. But don&#39;t sure about pure Qt4. Perhaps KDE can do it better using KParts?<br>It will looks like KDE4 System Settings. Perhaps control center can even be integrated with KDE&#39;s System Settings.<br>
+I belive it won&#39;t be a challenge and will looks like native for KDE users and useable as a separate application for other desktop users.<br>
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+<div>I have seen a huge euphoria around Mageia, people joining to help, developing, translating, managing,  anyway...<br>When we&#39;ll consolidate a new structure to start developing our goal?</div>
+<div>Cheers!<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br><br>Phones:<br>(55) (21) 9463-7760  -&gt; Mobile<br>
+(55) (21) 2464-9302  -&gt; Home<br>(55) (21) 2529-5080  -&gt; Work<br></div>
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+<div>I have seen a huge euphoria around Mageia, people joining to help, developing, translating, managing,  anyway...<br>When we&#39;ll consolidate a new structure to start developing our goal?</div>
+<div>Cheers!<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br><br>Phones:<br>(55) (21) 9463-7760  -&gt; Mobile<br>
+(55) (21) 2464-9302  -&gt; Home<br>(55) (21) 2529-5080  -&gt; Work<br></div>
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+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="">The cool thing is seeing people in Brazil involved in this new venture.<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">I am also here to help.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Regards,<br><br></span><span title="">Adjamilton </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">&quot;nyx&quot; Junior</span></span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Gabriel Duarte <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:confusosk8@gmail.com">confusosk8@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div>I have seen a huge euphoria around Mageia, people joining to help, developing, translating, managing,  anyway...<br>When we&#39;ll consolidate a new structure to start developing our goal?</div>
+<div>Cheers!<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br><br>Phones:<br>(55) (21) 9463-7760  -&gt; Mobile<br>
+
+(55) (21) 2464-9302  -&gt; Home<br>(55) (21) 2529-5080  -&gt; Work<br></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="">The cool thing is seeing people in Brazil involved in this new venture.<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">I am also here to help.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Regards,<br><br></span><span title="">Adjamilton </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">&quot;nyx&quot; Junior</span></span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Gabriel Duarte <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:confusosk8@gmail.com">confusosk8@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div>I have seen a huge euphoria around Mageia, people joining to help, developing, translating, managing,  anyway...<br>When we&#39;ll consolidate a new structure to start developing our goal?</div>
+<div>Cheers!<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Gabriel Duarte<br>Linux User #471185<br>Rio de Janeiro - RJ<br><a href="http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield" target="_blank">http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield</a><br><br>Phones:<br>(55) (21) 9463-7760  -&gt; Mobile<br>
+
+(55) (21) 2464-9302  -&gt; Home<br>(55) (21) 2529-5080  -&gt; Work<br></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olivier FAURAX <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olivier@faurax.fr">olivier@faurax.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 20/09/2010 21:14, Florian Hubold a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; AFAIK mandriva packages are not optimized/built for i686<br>
+&gt; (anything above Pentium Pro) but for i586. And i suppose<br>
+&gt; that&#39;s not gonna change.<br>
+<br>
+</div>If I remember well, the long i586/i686 debate on cooker has been<br>
+terminated with 2 facts : there are no massive improvements on software<br>
+X (I don&#39;t remember which one) and we have to keep compatibility with<br>
+some netbooks (OEM with mandriva).<br>
+<br>
+If mageia doesn&#39;t target these netbooks and if you can show real<br>
+improvement, I think this can be discussed.<br>
+<br>
+Have a nice day<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>Well, since we are *not*  that linked to Mandriva, we could avoid this problem by producing a netbook edition if needed. Why restricting our work to i586/x86-64?<br>
+<br>For some programs, there is a significant boost in using sse/sse2 (for instance the mlt library, povray rendering, etc).<br><br>I&#39;ve enabled them explicitly in mandriva some time ago in the x86-64 build, and it should be the default there. If some arch do not comply to the &quot;sse2&quot; demand, then we can discuss this on a &quot;specific basis, but not limit everyone on this...<br>
+<br>Stef<br></div></div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olivier FAURAX <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olivier@faurax.fr">olivier@faurax.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 20/09/2010 21:14, Florian Hubold a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; AFAIK mandriva packages are not optimized/built for i686<br>
+&gt; (anything above Pentium Pro) but for i586. And i suppose<br>
+&gt; that&#39;s not gonna change.<br>
+<br>
+</div>If I remember well, the long i586/i686 debate on cooker has been<br>
+terminated with 2 facts : there are no massive improvements on software<br>
+X (I don&#39;t remember which one) and we have to keep compatibility with<br>
+some netbooks (OEM with mandriva).<br>
+<br>
+If mageia doesn&#39;t target these netbooks and if you can show real<br>
+improvement, I think this can be discussed.<br>
+<br>
+Have a nice day<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>Well, since we are *not*  that linked to Mandriva, we could avoid this problem by producing a netbook edition if needed. Why restricting our work to i586/x86-64?<br>
+<br>For some programs, there is a significant boost in using sse/sse2 (for instance the mlt library, povray rendering, etc).<br><br>I&#39;ve enabled them explicitly in mandriva some time ago in the x86-64 build, and it should be the default there. If some arch do not comply to the &quot;sse2&quot; demand, then we can discuss this on a &quot;specific basis, but not limit everyone on this...<br>
+<br>Stef<br></div></div><br>
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+Hi all.<div><br></div><div>My name is Jorge and I was a poweruser of Mandriva and sysadmin (actually Ubuntu, RH &amp; CentOS).</div><div><br></div><div>I was asked by <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; ">vfmBOFH to enrol and come back home to help with this new distribution.</span></div>
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; "><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px;">I can help in translations to spanish and galician, testing and anything you need.</span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px;">Regards.</span></font></div>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+Hi all.<div><br></div><div>My name is Jorge and I was a poweruser of Mandriva and sysadmin (actually Ubuntu, RH &amp; CentOS).</div><div><br></div><div>I was asked by <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; ">vfmBOFH to enrol and come back home to help with this new distribution.</span></div>
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; "><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px;">I can help in translations to spanish and galician, testing and anything you need.</span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px;">Regards.</span></font></div>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+<br><div>Hi!</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m ready to help Mageia with the only one ability I have: to try and provide Mageia translation in Estonian at least as good as I have done in Mandriva.</div><div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div>
+<div><br></div>
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+<br><div>Hi!</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m ready to help Mageia with the only one ability I have: to try and provide Mageia translation in Estonian at least as good as I have done in Mandriva.</div><div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div>
+<div><br></div>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hi!<br><br>Im from Brazil and want to help with anything to the project. Please tell me if need.<br><br>Regards,<br>Matheus<br><br></td></tr></table><br>
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+Okay thank you very much<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+W dniu 2010-09-22 13:48, Alvin Meimoun pisze:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello, i&#39;m ready to help the Mageia project<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Thanks for your support. Please, add your details on wiki so that developers could contact you when needed:<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki</a><br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Okay thank you very much<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+W dniu 2010-09-22 13:48, Alvin Meimoun pisze:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello, i&#39;m ready to help the Mageia project<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Thanks for your support. Please, add your details on wiki so that developers could contact you when needed:<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki</a><br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hello, i&#39;m ready to help the Mageia project, i can test, package, translate english to french, and i can try to contribute on kde branch in code (example try to create simply configuration interfaces).<br>I&#39;m student but i have so many time to contribute.<br>
+If you accept me if you want you can add me to contributor list (pseudo alvinm93) and you can contact at my email.<br>(i&#39;m writing a article about mageia on <a href="http://alvinm93.free.fr">http://alvinm93.free.fr</a>)<br>
+<br> Thanks<br>
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+Hello, i&#39;m ready to help the Mageia project, i can test, package, translate english to french, and i can try to contribute on kde branch in code (example try to create simply configuration interfaces).<br>I&#39;m student but i have so many time to contribute.<br>
+If you accept me if you want you can add me to contributor list (pseudo alvinm93) and you can contact at my email.<br>(i&#39;m writing a article about mageia on <a href="http://alvinm93.free.fr">http://alvinm93.free.fr</a>)<br>
+<br> Thanks<br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">agree, thanks for answering.</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 vfmBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Matheus Santana <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matheusslima@yahoo.com.br" target="_blank">matheusslima@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">Hi!<br><br>Im from Brazil and want to help with anything to the project. Please tell me if need.<br><br>Regards,<br>Matheus<br>
+
+<br></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>Hi, matheus.<div><br></div><div>Please visit the mageia wiki and add your name on the categories where you think you can help.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php" target="_blank">mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers and welcome aboard!</div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">agree, thanks for answering.</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 vfmBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Matheus Santana <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matheusslima@yahoo.com.br" target="_blank">matheusslima@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">Hi!<br><br>Im from Brazil and want to help with anything to the project. Please tell me if need.<br><br>Regards,<br>Matheus<br>
+
+<br></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>Hi, matheus.<div><br></div><div>Please visit the mageia wiki and add your name on the categories where you think you can help.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php" target="_blank">mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers and welcome aboard!</div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+Although Ubuntu&#39;s target description suits me well, I think, it did not catch me. Their palette is in colors of my home, but un my top box I need to have somethinng geek, shiny, cool, sci-fi, strong, aggressive...<br>That&#39;s why I do prefer an orb as logo, because it is so versatile. The shape,  materials, the symbols. Easy to remember. But I guess it is taken... Is it?<br>
+Ubuntu failed miserably in my case... In look and stability. I think it is of a good marketing though.<br>Is the name &#39;Mageia&#39; immutable? Do you suggest to rename it?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Graham Lauder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yorick_@openoffice.org">yorick_@openoffice.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The artguide and logo guidelines are seriously incomplete and need a lot of<br>
+work.  Free software projects have a history of rushing into branding that<br>
+they will be stuck with for a very long time, from logo to colour scheme to<br>
+pallett.  If it&#39;s not thought through and given the consideration it needs, it<br>
+can turn into a millstone around the projects neck or a chaotic round of ever<br>
+changing looks that confuses the market.<br>
+<br>
+The project needs to get it&#39;s branding process it&#39;s organised.  Until then<br>
+everything should be fluid, even the name should be seen as a &quot;Working Title&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+So therefore:<br>
+<br>
+We need to identify our vision,<br>
+Identify the way we want the world to see us.<br>
+We need to identify our target market<br>
+and then come up with a Brand to suit that market.<br>
+<br>
+The brand does not have to be out there until the announcement of the first<br>
+release.<br>
+The brand that is created now, will shackle the Marketing team for all time.<br>
+The marketing team will only hang around if the brand is good.  Hackers need<br>
+the tools to do their job, if the IDE they are forced to use when making code<br>
+is a pile of shit then they&#39;ll go elsewhere.  It&#39;s the same with marketers,<br>
+give them a good brand and they&#39;ll come in droves to be part of it.<br>
+<br>
+Ubuntu&#39;s strength was in that initial marketing, targeted at 18 to 35 age<br>
+group with warm a comforting and attractive pallett (Browns Reds and Yellows)<br>
+and a slightly zany way of doing things (Warty Warthog and so on)  They<br>
+identified a market of young people of  above average intelligence who were<br>
+not satisfied with the cold clinical professional brand of principal market<br>
+leader.<br>
+<br>
+This group had several advantageous facets to them.<br>
+1) They were leaders and early adopters of new technology<br>
+2) They were rebellious to a degree<br>
+3) They had a very positive view of themselves<br>
+4) They felt that they deserved to be noticed and that the world should do<br>
+stuff for them.<br>
+<br>
+So Ubuntu&#39;s branding is aimed directly at that market and very successfully.<br>
+<br>
+The problem that many projects suffer from is that they come up with a<br>
+branding that feels good to their own community, while ignoring the market.<br>
+And make no bones about it, much of the reason that Ubuntu gets lots of<br>
+developers is because of it&#39;s wide user base.  That makes it sexy, the<br>
+opportunity to be famous:  &quot;I am part of that..&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Now there is a good argument to be made for going after the same market for<br>
+all of the above reasons.<br>
+<br>
+We can learn some lessons from the way Ubuntu did things.<br>
+<br>
+They leveraged their location, used a local language and traditions to give<br>
+them a name and a story:  Ubuntu = Humanity to Humans and a logo that reflects<br>
+and enhances that story.<br>
+<br>
+For me, for this project, I think it&#39;s untapped branding strength is in it&#39;s<br>
+Latin South American Heritage. Connectiva.<br>
+<br>
+Connection,<br>
+Computers are about connecting with others and when the world thinks about<br>
+South America and connecting they think Dance, .. Tango.  If it was my project<br>
+in these circumstances I&#39;d be calling it Tango-Linux. The name even<br>
+immediately evokes the branding colours and the pallet, Bold Blacks, Fiery<br>
+Reds  and silvers, the colours of passion.  Tango evokes passion, rebellion<br>
+but at the same time precision and teamwork.<br>
+<br>
+Unfortunately there is already a Tango Linux, not to mention the Tango Icon<br>
+project, but you get the idea.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+To conclude: my point is that there needs to be much more consideration given<br>
+to the branding elements at this point before we start voting on logos and the<br>
+like and I would like to see everything up for discussion, name included, we<br>
+are brand new, the world is watching, this is our unique opportunity we need<br>
+to stamp our mark boldly but with serious consideration of our goals.<br>
+<br>
+Of course the communities desire maybe just to stay as a small minor player in<br>
+the desktop universe, but if that&#39;s the case this is not the Mandrake I knew<br>
+back at 8.0 when It was on every other computer magazine cover CD, and it was<br>
+going after the market in a big way, not worrying about the Ubuntus and<br>
+Redhats but out to take down the Redmond machine.  Personally I think that<br>
+spirit is still there.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Graham Lauder,<br>
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ<br>
+<a href="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html" target="_blank">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</a><br>
+<br>
+OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.<br>
+<br>
+INGOTs Assessor Trainer<br>
+(International Grades in Open Technologies)<br>
+<a href="http://www.theingots.org" target="_blank">www.theingots.org</a><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Although Ubuntu&#39;s target description suits me well, I think, it did not catch me. Their palette is in colors of my home, but un my top box I need to have somethinng geek, shiny, cool, sci-fi, strong, aggressive...<br>That&#39;s why I do prefer an orb as logo, because it is so versatile. The shape,  materials, the symbols. Easy to remember. But I guess it is taken... Is it?<br>
+Ubuntu failed miserably in my case... In look and stability. I think it is of a good marketing though.<br>Is the name &#39;Mageia&#39; immutable? Do you suggest to rename it?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Graham Lauder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yorick_@openoffice.org">yorick_@openoffice.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The artguide and logo guidelines are seriously incomplete and need a lot of<br>
+work.  Free software projects have a history of rushing into branding that<br>
+they will be stuck with for a very long time, from logo to colour scheme to<br>
+pallett.  If it&#39;s not thought through and given the consideration it needs, it<br>
+can turn into a millstone around the projects neck or a chaotic round of ever<br>
+changing looks that confuses the market.<br>
+<br>
+The project needs to get it&#39;s branding process it&#39;s organised.  Until then<br>
+everything should be fluid, even the name should be seen as a &quot;Working Title&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+So therefore:<br>
+<br>
+We need to identify our vision,<br>
+Identify the way we want the world to see us.<br>
+We need to identify our target market<br>
+and then come up with a Brand to suit that market.<br>
+<br>
+The brand does not have to be out there until the announcement of the first<br>
+release.<br>
+The brand that is created now, will shackle the Marketing team for all time.<br>
+The marketing team will only hang around if the brand is good.  Hackers need<br>
+the tools to do their job, if the IDE they are forced to use when making code<br>
+is a pile of shit then they&#39;ll go elsewhere.  It&#39;s the same with marketers,<br>
+give them a good brand and they&#39;ll come in droves to be part of it.<br>
+<br>
+Ubuntu&#39;s strength was in that initial marketing, targeted at 18 to 35 age<br>
+group with warm a comforting and attractive pallett (Browns Reds and Yellows)<br>
+and a slightly zany way of doing things (Warty Warthog and so on)  They<br>
+identified a market of young people of  above average intelligence who were<br>
+not satisfied with the cold clinical professional brand of principal market<br>
+leader.<br>
+<br>
+This group had several advantageous facets to them.<br>
+1) They were leaders and early adopters of new technology<br>
+2) They were rebellious to a degree<br>
+3) They had a very positive view of themselves<br>
+4) They felt that they deserved to be noticed and that the world should do<br>
+stuff for them.<br>
+<br>
+So Ubuntu&#39;s branding is aimed directly at that market and very successfully.<br>
+<br>
+The problem that many projects suffer from is that they come up with a<br>
+branding that feels good to their own community, while ignoring the market.<br>
+And make no bones about it, much of the reason that Ubuntu gets lots of<br>
+developers is because of it&#39;s wide user base.  That makes it sexy, the<br>
+opportunity to be famous:  &quot;I am part of that..&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Now there is a good argument to be made for going after the same market for<br>
+all of the above reasons.<br>
+<br>
+We can learn some lessons from the way Ubuntu did things.<br>
+<br>
+They leveraged their location, used a local language and traditions to give<br>
+them a name and a story:  Ubuntu = Humanity to Humans and a logo that reflects<br>
+and enhances that story.<br>
+<br>
+For me, for this project, I think it&#39;s untapped branding strength is in it&#39;s<br>
+Latin South American Heritage. Connectiva.<br>
+<br>
+Connection,<br>
+Computers are about connecting with others and when the world thinks about<br>
+South America and connecting they think Dance, .. Tango.  If it was my project<br>
+in these circumstances I&#39;d be calling it Tango-Linux. The name even<br>
+immediately evokes the branding colours and the pallet, Bold Blacks, Fiery<br>
+Reds  and silvers, the colours of passion.  Tango evokes passion, rebellion<br>
+but at the same time precision and teamwork.<br>
+<br>
+Unfortunately there is already a Tango Linux, not to mention the Tango Icon<br>
+project, but you get the idea.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+To conclude: my point is that there needs to be much more consideration given<br>
+to the branding elements at this point before we start voting on logos and the<br>
+like and I would like to see everything up for discussion, name included, we<br>
+are brand new, the world is watching, this is our unique opportunity we need<br>
+to stamp our mark boldly but with serious consideration of our goals.<br>
+<br>
+Of course the communities desire maybe just to stay as a small minor player in<br>
+the desktop universe, but if that&#39;s the case this is not the Mandrake I knew<br>
+back at 8.0 when It was on every other computer magazine cover CD, and it was<br>
+going after the market in a big way, not worrying about the Ubuntus and<br>
+Redhats but out to take down the Redmond machine.  Personally I think that<br>
+spirit is still there.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Graham Lauder,<br>
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ<br>
+<a href="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html" target="_blank">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</a><br>
+<br>
+OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.<br>
+<br>
+INGOTs Assessor Trainer<br>
+(International Grades in Open Technologies)<br>
+<a href="http://www.theingots.org" target="_blank">www.theingots.org</a><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Jan Gehring <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jan.gehring@gmail.com">jan.gehring@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+i&#39;m happy to see this project to create a community driven &quot;mandriva&quot;<br>
+distribution.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m a perl, php developer and linux system engineer (mainly focused on<br>
+apache/tomcat, xen/openvz and clustering)<br>
+<br>
+If you need someone for your perl, php, tomcat or xen/openvz team to<br>
+package, test or develop please let me know how i can help.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Jan<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hi, Jan.<br><br>Please, go to mageia wiki (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>) and add your name in the categories you think can help.<br><br>Welcome aboard!<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Jan Gehring <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jan.gehring@gmail.com">jan.gehring@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+i&#39;m happy to see this project to create a community driven &quot;mandriva&quot;<br>
+distribution.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m a perl, php developer and linux system engineer (mainly focused on<br>
+apache/tomcat, xen/openvz and clustering)<br>
+<br>
+If you need someone for your perl, php, tomcat or xen/openvz team to<br>
+package, test or develop please let me know how i can help.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Jan<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hi, Jan.<br><br>Please, go to mageia wiki (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>) and add your name in the categories you think can help.<br><br>Welcome aboard!<br>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">I&#39;m just like you, and my English is worth, when I can ask, we will be vigilant.</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Matheus Santana <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matheusslima@yahoo.com.br">matheusslima@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+Hi!<br><br>Im from Brazil and want to help with anything to the project. Please tell me if need.<br><br>Regards,<br>Matheus<br><br></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">I&#39;m just like you, and my English is worth, when I can ask, we will be vigilant.</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Matheus Santana <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matheusslima@yahoo.com.br">matheusslima@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+Hi!<br><br>Im from Brazil and want to help with anything to the project. Please tell me if need.<br><br>Regards,<br>Matheus<br><br></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/22 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all<br>
+<br>
+News on our messy kitchen available below :)<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</a><br>
+<br>
+(other languages coming soon)<br>
+<br>
+As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we<br>
+can start very soon.<br>
+As a reminder, you can register on <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki</a> if you wish<br>
+to contribute or have a look on <a href="http://donation.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://donation.mageia.org</a> to help<br>
+Mageia project.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks again for your support<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+-------<br>
+Anne<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I&#39;ll take te text to the MDKTrans team in order to provide the spanish translation<br><br>Cheers<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/22 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all<br>
+<br>
+News on our messy kitchen available below :)<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</a><br>
+<br>
+(other languages coming soon)<br>
+<br>
+As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we<br>
+can start very soon.<br>
+As a reminder, you can register on <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki</a> if you wish<br>
+to contribute or have a look on <a href="http://donation.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://donation.mageia.org</a> to help<br>
+Mageia project.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks again for your support<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+-------<br>
+Anne<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I&#39;ll take te text to the MDKTrans team in order to provide the spanish translation<br><br>Cheers<br>
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+IMHO, Graham is good. He convinced me.<br>Please, don&#39;t shoot me for bringing the idea of renaming in discussion.<br>My experience as software developer tells me that chosing wrong in the beginning comes with great suffer after and might be harder and harder to fix it.<br>
+What is the target of Mageia after all? And who?<br>Me, only me, I like to think of Mageia as a fine trick of Babylon 5 Technomages.<br>I would like to see it full of high tech references, less mystique, more technical metaphors - I prefer an orb split two revealing circuits, than witches. I&#39;ve always liked to look forward, into space age, rather than middle ages.<br>
+But this is just me AFAIK...<br>And I love Mandriva as final product, so I fully trust its core developers that forked Mageia. I watched them for years and I feel about them as they are my friends. Please don&#39;t seed the discontent now, from the beginning. It was enough Mandriva&#39;s story.<br>
+No matter the name - you might change it again or not - I will follow.<br><br>Mike,<br>user.<br>
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+IMHO, Graham is good. He convinced me.<br>Please, don&#39;t shoot me for bringing the idea of renaming in discussion.<br>My experience as software developer tells me that chosing wrong in the beginning comes with great suffer after and might be harder and harder to fix it.<br>
+What is the target of Mageia after all? And who?<br>Me, only me, I like to think of Mageia as a fine trick of Babylon 5 Technomages.<br>I would like to see it full of high tech references, less mystique, more technical metaphors - I prefer an orb split two revealing circuits, than witches. I&#39;ve always liked to look forward, into space age, rather than middle ages.<br>
+But this is just me AFAIK...<br>And I love Mandriva as final product, so I fully trust its core developers that forked Mageia. I watched them for years and I feel about them as they are my friends. Please don&#39;t seed the discontent now, from the beginning. It was enough Mandriva&#39;s story.<br>
+No matter the name - you might change it again or not - I will follow.<br><br>Mike,<br>user.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 vfmBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2010/9/22 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Hi all<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+News on our messy kitchen available below :)<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</a><br>
+<br>
+(other languages coming soon)<br>
+<br>
+As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we<br>
+can start very soon.<br>
+As a reminder, you can register on <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki</a> if you wish<br>
+to contribute or have a look on <a href="http://donation.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://donation.mageia.org</a> to help<br>
+Mageia project.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks again for your support<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+-------<br>
+Anne<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;ll take te text to the MDKTrans team in order to provide the spanish translation<br><br>Cheers<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hi again.<br><br>Here&#39;s the spanish translation, courtesy of MDKTrans:<br>------------------------------------------------<br>¡Atención, atención!<br>
+<br>
+Ahora que el anuncio ha sido un gran éxito, las discusiones ya están<br>
+en curso en las listas de correo (una vez mas, todos ustedes son<br>
+increíbles, chicos), ahora necesitamos establecer bases sólidas para<br>
+Mageia. Veremos cada uno de estos puntos con mayor detalle, pero aquí<br>
+va un resumen:<br>
+<br>
+Infraestructura y herramientas<br>
+<br>
+Establecer una infraestructura es una de las cosas más importantes. Ha<br>
+comenzado con el uso de recursos temporales para tener en linea los<br>
+servicios principales lo más pronto posible:<br>
+<br>
+El blog de Mageia se puso en linea ayer (sólo en inglés por el<br>
+momento, configuraremos otros idiomas muy pronto)<br>
+<br>
+Se ha abierto un wiki temporal para ayudar a todos a registrarse en<br>
+diversos equipos; estos equipos tendrán listas de correo dedicadas.<br>
+para comenzar, deberán nombrar un representante + un delegado y luego<br>
+podrán comenzar a trabajar en las distintas tareas (ver mas abajo).<br>
+<br>
+Los foros de usuario también están en camino - tendremos un foro<br>
+oficial en inglés, junto con enlaces a foros regionales los cuales ya<br>
+están activos y listos para dar la bienvenida a usuarios de distintos<br>
+países (Blogdrake, mandrivausers-de, LKO...). Si cree que un idioma no<br>
+está representado en alguno de los foros existentes, por favor<br>
+envíenos un correo a mageia-contact EN <a href="http://gmai.com/" target="_blank">gmai.com</a> para que podamos<br>
+añadir por ahora, un nuevo espacio en el(los) servidor(es) de Mageia.<br>
+Agradecemos especialmente a Paul Willard y Raphael Jador quienes<br>
+liderarán esta ardua labor.<br>
+<br>
+También tenemos diversas propuestas para los mirrors de Mageia<br>
+<br>
+Las dicusiones están en curso y estamos trabajando en establecer el<br>
+sistema de construcción; ese será el mayor hito técnico para todos<br>
+nosotros, el cual nos permitirá comenzar a trabajar en la distribución<br>
+propiamente tal.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Logo<br>
+<br>
+¡Necesitamos un logo (y uno fabuloso) y un diseño global para Mageia!<br>
+<br>
+Ya hemos redactado un borrador con algunas guías de estilo del logo<br>
+(por favor, revisarlas cuidadosamente) y encontrarán las diversas<br>
+propuestas en esta galería. Siéntase libre de enviar nuevos diseños o<br>
+comentarios sobre los existentes.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Organización<br>
+<br>
+Conitnuamos trabajando en la creación de una asociación para Mageia.<br>
+Esto nos permitirá contar con una junta oficial al frente del proyecto<br>
+para conseguir finaciamiento, para solicitar diferentes tipos de ayuda<br>
+y para ser capaces de garantizar el futuro de Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Los estatutos aún están siendo escritos (en francés) y el concejo<br>
+fundador debería constituirse pronto (esperamos que sea equilibrado y<br>
+eficaz, aunque específicamente dedicado a tareas de fundación; las<br>
+elecciones de renovación por parte de terceros iniciará mas tarde).<br>
+Esta junta dirigirá la cocina, coordinando con los delegados de cada<br>
+equipo la conducción de los diversos aspectos de la distribución<br>
+(diseño, desarrollo, pruebas, producción, distribución, promoción,<br>
+etc.) en adelante.<br>
+<br>
+Aún tenemos muchas preguntas sin respuesta para las cuales nos<br>
+gustaría contar con más puntos de vista y opiniones antes de tomar una<br>
+decisión final. Detallaremos nuestra idea sobre las funciones de la<br>
+organización en próximas publicaciones y recogeremos consejos sobre<br>
+puntos concretos antes de decidir que hacer.<br>
+<br>
+Oh, mientras tanto pueden efectuar donaciones mediante Paypal y/o<br>
+transferencia bancaria. La finaciación es fundamental para poder<br>
+montar una infraestructura independiente y otros elementos necesarios.<br>
+<br>
+Finalmente, ya contamos con muchos contactos de las otras comunidades<br>
+alrededor de Mandriva. Unity Linux ya está tomando una muy activa<br>
+participación en las discusiones. Otros son bienvenidos a unirse:<br>
+simplemente contáctennos en IRC, por listas de correo o por el correo<br>
+personal.<br>
+<br>
+¡De nuevo, estamos muy agradecidos por el apoyo!<br>----------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Cheers,<br>vfmBOFH<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 vfmBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2010/9/22 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Hi all<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+News on our messy kitchen available below :)<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</a><br>
+<br>
+(other languages coming soon)<br>
+<br>
+As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we<br>
+can start very soon.<br>
+As a reminder, you can register on <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki</a> if you wish<br>
+to contribute or have a look on <a href="http://donation.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://donation.mageia.org</a> to help<br>
+Mageia project.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks again for your support<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+-------<br>
+Anne<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;ll take te text to the MDKTrans team in order to provide the spanish translation<br><br>Cheers<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hi again.<br><br>Here&#39;s the spanish translation, courtesy of MDKTrans:<br>------------------------------------------------<br>¡Atención, atención!<br>
+<br>
+Ahora que el anuncio ha sido un gran éxito, las discusiones ya están<br>
+en curso en las listas de correo (una vez mas, todos ustedes son<br>
+increíbles, chicos), ahora necesitamos establecer bases sólidas para<br>
+Mageia. Veremos cada uno de estos puntos con mayor detalle, pero aquí<br>
+va un resumen:<br>
+<br>
+Infraestructura y herramientas<br>
+<br>
+Establecer una infraestructura es una de las cosas más importantes. Ha<br>
+comenzado con el uso de recursos temporales para tener en linea los<br>
+servicios principales lo más pronto posible:<br>
+<br>
+El blog de Mageia se puso en linea ayer (sólo en inglés por el<br>
+momento, configuraremos otros idiomas muy pronto)<br>
+<br>
+Se ha abierto un wiki temporal para ayudar a todos a registrarse en<br>
+diversos equipos; estos equipos tendrán listas de correo dedicadas.<br>
+para comenzar, deberán nombrar un representante + un delegado y luego<br>
+podrán comenzar a trabajar en las distintas tareas (ver mas abajo).<br>
+<br>
+Los foros de usuario también están en camino - tendremos un foro<br>
+oficial en inglés, junto con enlaces a foros regionales los cuales ya<br>
+están activos y listos para dar la bienvenida a usuarios de distintos<br>
+países (Blogdrake, mandrivausers-de, LKO...). Si cree que un idioma no<br>
+está representado en alguno de los foros existentes, por favor<br>
+envíenos un correo a mageia-contact EN <a href="http://gmai.com/" target="_blank">gmai.com</a> para que podamos<br>
+añadir por ahora, un nuevo espacio en el(los) servidor(es) de Mageia.<br>
+Agradecemos especialmente a Paul Willard y Raphael Jador quienes<br>
+liderarán esta ardua labor.<br>
+<br>
+También tenemos diversas propuestas para los mirrors de Mageia<br>
+<br>
+Las dicusiones están en curso y estamos trabajando en establecer el<br>
+sistema de construcción; ese será el mayor hito técnico para todos<br>
+nosotros, el cual nos permitirá comenzar a trabajar en la distribución<br>
+propiamente tal.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Logo<br>
+<br>
+¡Necesitamos un logo (y uno fabuloso) y un diseño global para Mageia!<br>
+<br>
+Ya hemos redactado un borrador con algunas guías de estilo del logo<br>
+(por favor, revisarlas cuidadosamente) y encontrarán las diversas<br>
+propuestas en esta galería. Siéntase libre de enviar nuevos diseños o<br>
+comentarios sobre los existentes.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Organización<br>
+<br>
+Conitnuamos trabajando en la creación de una asociación para Mageia.<br>
+Esto nos permitirá contar con una junta oficial al frente del proyecto<br>
+para conseguir finaciamiento, para solicitar diferentes tipos de ayuda<br>
+y para ser capaces de garantizar el futuro de Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Los estatutos aún están siendo escritos (en francés) y el concejo<br>
+fundador debería constituirse pronto (esperamos que sea equilibrado y<br>
+eficaz, aunque específicamente dedicado a tareas de fundación; las<br>
+elecciones de renovación por parte de terceros iniciará mas tarde).<br>
+Esta junta dirigirá la cocina, coordinando con los delegados de cada<br>
+equipo la conducción de los diversos aspectos de la distribución<br>
+(diseño, desarrollo, pruebas, producción, distribución, promoción,<br>
+etc.) en adelante.<br>
+<br>
+Aún tenemos muchas preguntas sin respuesta para las cuales nos<br>
+gustaría contar con más puntos de vista y opiniones antes de tomar una<br>
+decisión final. Detallaremos nuestra idea sobre las funciones de la<br>
+organización en próximas publicaciones y recogeremos consejos sobre<br>
+puntos concretos antes de decidir que hacer.<br>
+<br>
+Oh, mientras tanto pueden efectuar donaciones mediante Paypal y/o<br>
+transferencia bancaria. La finaciación es fundamental para poder<br>
+montar una infraestructura independiente y otros elementos necesarios.<br>
+<br>
+Finalmente, ya contamos con muchos contactos de las otras comunidades<br>
+alrededor de Mandriva. Unity Linux ya está tomando una muy activa<br>
+participación en las discusiones. Otros son bienvenidos a unirse:<br>
+simplemente contáctennos en IRC, por listas de correo o por el correo<br>
+personal.<br>
+<br>
+¡De nuevo, estamos muy agradecidos por el apoyo!<br>----------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Cheers,<br>vfmBOFH<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I think in the grand scheme of things, we should all acknowledge that should the name &quot;Mageia&quot; not work, that a name change would be a possibility, just as a logo change is still a possibility. We have seen this from many OSS firms who went through this process.<br>
+
+<br>
+We should be careful in making the distro too &quot;cottagey&quot; or &quot;home grown&quot; in looks and flavour. I would suggest that the long term vision for the distro also include a commercial aspect. There should be a community driven distro and a commercial distro (read server). If we organise under these terms, then the choice of name, logo and branding changes.<br>
+
+<br>
+A name and logo for the Mageia project should exude a community spirit as well a professional corporate spirit. Would a business have a problem repeating &quot;We use the Mageia distro to run our servers and our desktops.&quot;? I personally think that the name is solid in this case, whether for community or corporate use. Side note: I prefer the &quot;soft g&quot; sound of the name --- &quot; Mah jay ah &quot; (more like the French &quot;j&#39;ai&quot; sound) -- it sounds classy.<br>
+
+<br>
+So, the logo should then follow suit and exude the same feeling. It should reflect both a feeling of community as well as bear the scrutiny of corporate world. Would they feel confident in hanging our shingle (read logo) on their website&#39;s front page? I too tend to sway more towards the simple logo concept. I don&#39;t personally think that a magic wand would not work in a corporate setting, this would then limit it&#39;s use. We would then have to adopt a corporate logo. I am not sure if this would make good sense as, in a way, we would then be fragmenting the distro. A solid logo for both, in my opinion, would make the most sense.<br>
+<font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m just a user. I totally agree, although I like to play a little.<br>I do need a sleek and serious logo/symbol to the OS I use, usually a limo, but able to deploy a super-space-age-robot-ready-to-save-the-universe-if-necessary feeling. This is what I expect. Hope I did not scared you all :D. Hugs.<br>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I think in the grand scheme of things, we should all acknowledge that should the name &quot;Mageia&quot; not work, that a name change would be a possibility, just as a logo change is still a possibility. We have seen this from many OSS firms who went through this process.<br>
+
+<br>
+We should be careful in making the distro too &quot;cottagey&quot; or &quot;home grown&quot; in looks and flavour. I would suggest that the long term vision for the distro also include a commercial aspect. There should be a community driven distro and a commercial distro (read server). If we organise under these terms, then the choice of name, logo and branding changes.<br>
+
+<br>
+A name and logo for the Mageia project should exude a community spirit as well a professional corporate spirit. Would a business have a problem repeating &quot;We use the Mageia distro to run our servers and our desktops.&quot;? I personally think that the name is solid in this case, whether for community or corporate use. Side note: I prefer the &quot;soft g&quot; sound of the name --- &quot; Mah jay ah &quot; (more like the French &quot;j&#39;ai&quot; sound) -- it sounds classy.<br>
+
+<br>
+So, the logo should then follow suit and exude the same feeling. It should reflect both a feeling of community as well as bear the scrutiny of corporate world. Would they feel confident in hanging our shingle (read logo) on their website&#39;s front page? I too tend to sway more towards the simple logo concept. I don&#39;t personally think that a magic wand would not work in a corporate setting, this would then limit it&#39;s use. We would then have to adopt a corporate logo. I am not sure if this would make good sense as, in a way, we would then be fragmenting the distro. A solid logo for both, in my opinion, would make the most sense.<br>
+<font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m just a user. I totally agree, although I like to play a little.<br>I do need a sleek and serious logo/symbol to the OS I use, usually a limo, but able to deploy a super-space-age-robot-ready-to-save-the-universe-if-necessary feeling. This is what I expect. Hope I did not scared you all :D. Hugs.<br>
+<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Peter Watson wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Now we really need someone with marketing expertise to drive this<br>
+&gt; issue forward.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Question is WHO?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Umm, I&#39;m sure Graham already said that he is offering himself.<br>
+<br>
+Graham, I&#39;m not a marketing person, but I agree with almost everything<br>
+you say, the only thing that I don&#39;t agree with is that the name should<br>
+be up for debate.<br>
+<br>
+Too many practical things depend on the name so if whe change the name,<br>
+everything else will be on hold until then.<br>
+<br>
+I do think Mageia is a good name, that is versatile enough for you to<br>
+work with, it sounds exotic (I didn&#39;t know it was greek, it sounded<br>
+spanish to me when i first read it) it&#39;s short and unique.<br>
+<br>
+So IMHO feel free to drive the marketing whichever way you like, but<br>
+please don&#39;t ask for a name change.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>+1 for you<br>and<br>+1 for Graham<br><br>IMHO, and it has been told before, is that the name is not a problem.<br><br>The better example we have is Apple. Stories tell us that the name was a explicit decision because it was impossible to find a &quot;good name&quot;. Althoug this story was a lie, is a good example that demonstrate that a simply name with a really good marketing is enought to grow the power of the mark.<br>
+
+<br>I think that we can start from Mageia, like it evoques the magic world, we can try to explain that it is that all of us are wanting: easy, eyecandy, but powerfull and sturdy.<br><br>XescoMM.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Peter Watson wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Now we really need someone with marketing expertise to drive this<br>
+&gt; issue forward.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Question is WHO?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Umm, I&#39;m sure Graham already said that he is offering himself.<br>
+<br>
+Graham, I&#39;m not a marketing person, but I agree with almost everything<br>
+you say, the only thing that I don&#39;t agree with is that the name should<br>
+be up for debate.<br>
+<br>
+Too many practical things depend on the name so if whe change the name,<br>
+everything else will be on hold until then.<br>
+<br>
+I do think Mageia is a good name, that is versatile enough for you to<br>
+work with, it sounds exotic (I didn&#39;t know it was greek, it sounded<br>
+spanish to me when i first read it) it&#39;s short and unique.<br>
+<br>
+So IMHO feel free to drive the marketing whichever way you like, but<br>
+please don&#39;t ask for a name change.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>+1 for you<br>and<br>+1 for Graham<br><br>IMHO, and it has been told before, is that the name is not a problem.<br><br>The better example we have is Apple. Stories tell us that the name was a explicit decision because it was impossible to find a &quot;good name&quot;. Althoug this story was a lie, is a good example that demonstrate that a simply name with a really good marketing is enought to grow the power of the mark.<br>
+
+<br>I think that we can start from Mageia, like it evoques the magic world, we can try to explain that it is that all of us are wanting: easy, eyecandy, but powerfull and sturdy.<br><br>XescoMM.<br>
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++100<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I like simple logos.<br>
+<br>
+Simple not necesarily should be poor or ugly.<br>
+<br>
+Logos like Apple, Logitech, RedHat, Pepsi, eyeos, Avast, Facebook,<br>
+Joomla, Opera, even Ubuntu and the &quot;evil&quot; Windows are simple, but look<br>
+great. You can put them wherever you want and they still look good.<br>
+<br>
+I know, some of these logos are almost implanted in our brains because<br>
+of years of marketing. Maybe that&#39;s because we see them great.<br>
+<br>
+But they are simple, maybe some are a little abstract. But they<br>
+have... how can I call it... power?<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s what we should try to achieve with Mageia&#39;s logo. Not an ugly<br>
+penguin with a hat and a magic wand. You see my point?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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++100<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I like simple logos.<br>
+<br>
+Simple not necesarily should be poor or ugly.<br>
+<br>
+Logos like Apple, Logitech, RedHat, Pepsi, eyeos, Avast, Facebook,<br>
+Joomla, Opera, even Ubuntu and the &quot;evil&quot; Windows are simple, but look<br>
+great. You can put them wherever you want and they still look good.<br>
+<br>
+I know, some of these logos are almost implanted in our brains because<br>
+of years of marketing. Maybe that&#39;s because we see them great.<br>
+<br>
+But they are simple, maybe some are a little abstract. But they<br>
+have... how can I call it... power?<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s what we should try to achieve with Mageia&#39;s logo. Not an ugly<br>
+penguin with a hat and a magic wand. You see my point?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Matheus Santana <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matheusslima@yahoo.com.br">matheusslima@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Hi!<br><br>Im from Brazil and want to help with anything to the project. Please tell me if need.<br><br>Regards,<br>Matheus<br>
+<br></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>Hi, matheus.<div><br></div><div>Please visit the mageia wiki and add your name on the categories where you think you can help.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers and welcome aboard!</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Matheus Santana <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matheusslima@yahoo.com.br">matheusslima@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Hi!<br><br>Im from Brazil and want to help with anything to the project. Please tell me if need.<br><br>Regards,<br>Matheus<br>
+<br></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>Hi, matheus.<div><br></div><div>Please visit the mageia wiki and add your name on the categories where you think you can help.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers and welcome aboard!</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/8fc7c577/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/8fc7c577/attachment-0001.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN">
+<HTML>
+<HEAD>
+  <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8">
+  <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.28.2">
+</HEAD>
+<BODY>
+Hi2all, <BR>
+<BR>
+just wanted to say, that the link to the IRC for channel #mageia-de calls the channel #mageia-br<BR>
+<BR>
+Greetings from belgium<BR>
+<TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%">
+<TR>
+<TD>
+<PRE>
+-- 
+Mit freundlichem Gru&#223;, 
+
+Sascha Schneider
+Projektleiter &quot;itSkills&quot;
+ZAWM Eupen
+Limburger Weg 2
+4700 Eupen
+
+Tel.: +32 (0)87 593983
+Mobil: +32 (0)474 605141
+</PRE>
+<BR>
+<BR>
+</TD>
+</TR>
+</TABLE>
+</BODY>
+</HTML>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/8fc7c577/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/8fc7c577/attachment.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN">
+<HTML>
+<HEAD>
+  <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8">
+  <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.28.2">
+</HEAD>
+<BODY>
+Hi2all, <BR>
+<BR>
+just wanted to say, that the link to the IRC for channel #mageia-de calls the channel #mageia-br<BR>
+<BR>
+Greetings from belgium<BR>
+<TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%">
+<TR>
+<TD>
+<PRE>
+-- 
+Mit freundlichem Gru&#223;, 
+
+Sascha Schneider
+Projektleiter &quot;itSkills&quot;
+ZAWM Eupen
+Limburger Weg 2
+4700 Eupen
+
+Tel.: +32 (0)87 593983
+Mobil: +32 (0)474 605141
+</PRE>
+<BR>
+<BR>
+</TD>
+</TR>
+</TABLE>
+</BODY>
+</HTML>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/eb0751d4/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/eb0751d4/attachment-0001.html
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:schneider@zawm.be">schneider@zawm.be</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+
+  
+  
+
+<div>
+Hi2all, <br>
+<br>
+just wanted to say, that the link to the IRC for channel #mageia-de calls the channel #mageia-br<br>
+<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, and it&#39;s also not listed at all in some pages with IRC lists. Such inconsistencies will be handled better when there is a team caring for the websites. At the moment it takes patience...</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/eb0751d4/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/eb0751d4/attachment.html
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:schneider@zawm.be">schneider@zawm.be</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+
+  
+  
+
+<div>
+Hi2all, <br>
+<br>
+just wanted to say, that the link to the IRC for channel #mageia-de calls the channel #mageia-br<br>
+<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, and it&#39;s also not listed at all in some pages with IRC lists. Such inconsistencies will be handled better when there is a team caring for the websites. At the moment it takes patience...</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/fbc184a1/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/fbc184a1/attachment-0001.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+Le 24/09/2010 13:01, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTinHigfe2RajNXRN7Jri1znjnR7JO4+fsVcmq9PS@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:schneider@zawm.be">schneider@zawm.be</a>&gt;</span><br>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+    <div>Hi2all, <br>
+    <br>
+just wanted to say, that the link to the IRC for channel #mageia-de
+calls the channel #mageia-br<br>
+    <br>
+    </div>
+  </blockquote>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>Yes, and it's also not listed at all in some pages with IRC
+lists. Such inconsistencies will be handled better when there is a team
+caring for the websites. At the moment it takes patience...</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <br>
+  </div>
+</blockquote>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I've added #mageia-de on donate site pages...<br>
+<br>
+Maât<br>
+</body>
+</html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/fbc184a1/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100924/fbc184a1/attachment.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+Le 24/09/2010 13:01, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTinHigfe2RajNXRN7Jri1znjnR7JO4+fsVcmq9PS@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:schneider@zawm.be">schneider@zawm.be</a>&gt;</span><br>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+    <div>Hi2all, <br>
+    <br>
+just wanted to say, that the link to the IRC for channel #mageia-de
+calls the channel #mageia-br<br>
+    <br>
+    </div>
+  </blockquote>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>Yes, and it's also not listed at all in some pages with IRC
+lists. Such inconsistencies will be handled better when there is a team
+caring for the websites. At the moment it takes patience...</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <br>
+  </div>
+</blockquote>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I've added #mageia-de on donate site pages...<br>
+<br>
+Maât<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+<br>
+</div>Since the vast majority of new processors are 64-bit capable, I see no<br>
+point in *only* supporting the newest of the old CPUs.  All the 32-bit<br>
+stuff will eventually die on its own anyways.<br>
+<br>
+I *definitely* do not want to see dropping support for everything that<br>
+doesn&#39;t do SSE2 (which was discussed in the Fedora thread you linked).<br></blockquote><div><br>PII is not SSE2 capable. I cited SSE2, because it was  giving even more boosts. SSE3, 4, etc. needs special support to gain further boosts.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+IMHO, just sticking with i586 support is the path-of-least-resistance<br>
+and doesn&#39;t alienate people who must use older hardware out of<br>
+financial or geographic necessity.<br>
+<br>
+I would not use KDE as a basis for ruling out support of older<br>
+hardware.  Mageia will offer many lightweight alternatives to KDE.<br></blockquote><div><br>Any system REALLY lightweight is welcome, but it&#39;s not a matter of just choosing a desktop rather than another. There are also toolkits, and they are getting fatter. Maybe a legacy system with just motif (or lesstif) applications would be lightweight nowadays. But IMHO this is just an illusion and get people &quot;angry&quot;. I really want to see such a lightweight system even for ATOM CPUs.<br>
+<br>I spent days and days in try to understand why passing from a distro to two versions later, my shining not-so-new P4 hardware with ATI card become from lightning to usable to a slow-dog that it was not able to keep at the same time a browser and a mail client without slaughtering the hard disk with swap. And the answer was that there wasn&#39;t any bottenleck in the distro (beyond playing with Composite, XAA and EXA...).<br>
+Simply the upstream applications become fatter because they added more checks, etc.; you might experience this even not using graphics at all but remaining in console mode only.<br>And phoronix benchmarks shown this. Only difference is that when you test <span class="clickable"><span class="sg"><span class="se1"><span class="trn">adjacent releases the differences are tighter, so you wouldn&#39;t notice too much.</span></span></span></span> For instance the whole distro of Xandros running on the first EEEPCs, was able to boot and go X in 10-15 seconds. But when starting OpenOffice/Staroffice there, or acrobat reader, was not faster than the same time they were taking on MDV.<br>
+<br>Even newer versions of what was considered the most optimized and lightweight distro, VectorLinux, become slower. Or try to put in a CDROM an older Knoppix 3.2 of 2005 against Knoppix 6.2 on the same hardware...<br><br>
+Of course we shouldn&#39;t forget that the MDV had already a system for providing optimized (look at /usr/lib/sse2 for instance) version of libraries according to instruction set supported.<br><br>So my suggestion was just to rethink to the lowest common denominator for 32 bit consider that we are in year 2010, maybe adding to such list the SSE and MMX sets. And by contrary are the CPU not supporting such set still usable with the newer distro even in console mode (fileserver, webserver, dns server, etc.)? Have they enough memory to run even the installer? Just a survey.<br>
+<br>Note that I&#39;m always in favour in preserving the legacy stuff, especially for software applications, but when things are done in a certain way, even if there is only one SINGLE user using it (he would have invested time in learning things, so why removing things he knows and use?).<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Because the kernel is modular, excluding older drivers may save some<br>
+hard disk space, but won&#39;t affect the actual kernel size much.  As<br>
+soon as you exclude support for ISA, someone will come along wondering<br>
+why their $VeryImportantOlderHW no longer works.  ;o)<br></blockquote><div><br>when it works...I saw in the past many of my most important old hardware, like some PCMCIA network card or modem not working or supported anymore... ;-)<br>
+ </div>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+<br>
+</div>Since the vast majority of new processors are 64-bit capable, I see no<br>
+point in *only* supporting the newest of the old CPUs.  All the 32-bit<br>
+stuff will eventually die on its own anyways.<br>
+<br>
+I *definitely* do not want to see dropping support for everything that<br>
+doesn&#39;t do SSE2 (which was discussed in the Fedora thread you linked).<br></blockquote><div><br>PII is not SSE2 capable. I cited SSE2, because it was  giving even more boosts. SSE3, 4, etc. needs special support to gain further boosts.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+IMHO, just sticking with i586 support is the path-of-least-resistance<br>
+and doesn&#39;t alienate people who must use older hardware out of<br>
+financial or geographic necessity.<br>
+<br>
+I would not use KDE as a basis for ruling out support of older<br>
+hardware.  Mageia will offer many lightweight alternatives to KDE.<br></blockquote><div><br>Any system REALLY lightweight is welcome, but it&#39;s not a matter of just choosing a desktop rather than another. There are also toolkits, and they are getting fatter. Maybe a legacy system with just motif (or lesstif) applications would be lightweight nowadays. But IMHO this is just an illusion and get people &quot;angry&quot;. I really want to see such a lightweight system even for ATOM CPUs.<br>
+<br>I spent days and days in try to understand why passing from a distro to two versions later, my shining not-so-new P4 hardware with ATI card become from lightning to usable to a slow-dog that it was not able to keep at the same time a browser and a mail client without slaughtering the hard disk with swap. And the answer was that there wasn&#39;t any bottenleck in the distro (beyond playing with Composite, XAA and EXA...).<br>
+Simply the upstream applications become fatter because they added more checks, etc.; you might experience this even not using graphics at all but remaining in console mode only.<br>And phoronix benchmarks shown this. Only difference is that when you test <span class="clickable"><span class="sg"><span class="se1"><span class="trn">adjacent releases the differences are tighter, so you wouldn&#39;t notice too much.</span></span></span></span> For instance the whole distro of Xandros running on the first EEEPCs, was able to boot and go X in 10-15 seconds. But when starting OpenOffice/Staroffice there, or acrobat reader, was not faster than the same time they were taking on MDV.<br>
+<br>Even newer versions of what was considered the most optimized and lightweight distro, VectorLinux, become slower. Or try to put in a CDROM an older Knoppix 3.2 of 2005 against Knoppix 6.2 on the same hardware...<br><br>
+Of course we shouldn&#39;t forget that the MDV had already a system for providing optimized (look at /usr/lib/sse2 for instance) version of libraries according to instruction set supported.<br><br>So my suggestion was just to rethink to the lowest common denominator for 32 bit consider that we are in year 2010, maybe adding to such list the SSE and MMX sets. And by contrary are the CPU not supporting such set still usable with the newer distro even in console mode (fileserver, webserver, dns server, etc.)? Have they enough memory to run even the installer? Just a survey.<br>
+<br>Note that I&#39;m always in favour in preserving the legacy stuff, especially for software applications, but when things are done in a certain way, even if there is only one SINGLE user using it (he would have invested time in learning things, so why removing things he knows and use?).<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Because the kernel is modular, excluding older drivers may save some<br>
+hard disk space, but won&#39;t affect the actual kernel size much.  As<br>
+soon as you exclude support for ISA, someone will come along wondering<br>
+why their $VeryImportantOlderHW no longer works.  ;o)<br></blockquote><div><br>when it works...I saw in the past many of my most important old hardware, like some PCMCIA network card or modem not working or supported anymore... ;-)<br>
+ </div>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/25 Filipe Rosset <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rosset.filipe@gmail.com">rosset.filipe@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 09/25/2010 09:16 AM, R James wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Patrice BRUNELLE<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:patrice.brunelle@free.fr" target="_blank">patrice.brunelle@free.fr</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 15:51 -0500, R James a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Technically, the i686 started with the Pentium Pro.  (Remember that?  :o)<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_%28microarchitecture%29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture)</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Yes I remember that. And ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Its just a precision to the subject title.  i686 began with the<br>
+Pentium Pro, not Pentium II.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m not sure what performance benefits can be gained from compiling<br>
+for i686 vs i586.  Probably not much except for multimedia<br>
+applications which most of those can auto-detect the CPU&#39;s<br>
+capabilities anyways.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Just for reference, the Fedora Project was changed from i586 to i686:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild#Driving_Features" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild#Driving_Features</a><br>
+<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support</a><br>
+<a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02583.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02583.html</a><br>
+<a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02889.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02889.html</a> (with &#39;benchmarks&#39;)<br>
+<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue162#Fedora_11_Will_Support_i586_Instruction_Set" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue162#Fedora_11_Will_Support_i586_Instruction_Set</a><div class="im"><br>
+
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+There are still people running AMD K6&#39;s (ie: me) which is also i586.<br>
+If we compile for i686 and newer, they won&#39;t even be able to boot the<br>
+installer.<br>
+<br>
+Therefore, I agree with the decision to keep i586 support.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I agree too.<br><br></blockquote><div><br>IMHO the problem is not finding an architecture to fit the i586 or i686 rpm flags, rather to find the minimum CPU and memory requirement worthwhile for a decent usage. With KDE if we look at the Mandriva 2010.1, it&#39;s barely usable on a P4-3000 with 1-2GB RAM, or a AMD Barton 2500. Barely means that windows and applications are pretty slow to open, switching is slow, etc.; since netbook are so popular we can consider the minimum requirements as those of a typical 2010 netbook, which has ATOM 1.6Ghz processor and 1GB memory. In other words we can consider as default the presence of the SSE instruction set. ATOM has even the SSE2, which would be even better, but that would left out some AMD CPU (some older AMD, like 1.2Ghz has only the 3DNow and not SSE). I would drop compiling for old ISA drivers in kernel (think to some old ISA 3com card, like 3C505, etc.).<br>
+<br>G.<br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/25 Filipe Rosset <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rosset.filipe@gmail.com">rosset.filipe@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 09/25/2010 09:16 AM, R James wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Patrice BRUNELLE<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:patrice.brunelle@free.fr" target="_blank">patrice.brunelle@free.fr</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 à 15:51 -0500, R James a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Technically, the i686 started with the Pentium Pro.  (Remember that?  :o)<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_%28microarchitecture%29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture)</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Yes I remember that. And ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Its just a precision to the subject title.  i686 began with the<br>
+Pentium Pro, not Pentium II.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m not sure what performance benefits can be gained from compiling<br>
+for i686 vs i586.  Probably not much except for multimedia<br>
+applications which most of those can auto-detect the CPU&#39;s<br>
+capabilities anyways.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Just for reference, the Fedora Project was changed from i586 to i686:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild#Driving_Features" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Mass_Rebuild#Driving_Features</a><br>
+<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support" target="_blank">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support</a><br>
+<a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02583.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02583.html</a><br>
+<a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02889.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-devel-list@redhat.com/msg02889.html</a> (with &#39;benchmarks&#39;)<br>
+<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue162#Fedora_11_Will_Support_i586_Instruction_Set" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue162#Fedora_11_Will_Support_i586_Instruction_Set</a><div class="im"><br>
+
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+There are still people running AMD K6&#39;s (ie: me) which is also i586.<br>
+If we compile for i686 and newer, they won&#39;t even be able to boot the<br>
+installer.<br>
+<br>
+Therefore, I agree with the decision to keep i586 support.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I agree too.<br><br></blockquote><div><br>IMHO the problem is not finding an architecture to fit the i586 or i686 rpm flags, rather to find the minimum CPU and memory requirement worthwhile for a decent usage. With KDE if we look at the Mandriva 2010.1, it&#39;s barely usable on a P4-3000 with 1-2GB RAM, or a AMD Barton 2500. Barely means that windows and applications are pretty slow to open, switching is slow, etc.; since netbook are so popular we can consider the minimum requirements as those of a typical 2010 netbook, which has ATOM 1.6Ghz processor and 1GB memory. In other words we can consider as default the presence of the SSE instruction set. ATOM has even the SSE2, which would be even better, but that would left out some AMD CPU (some older AMD, like 1.2Ghz has only the 3DNow and not SSE). I would drop compiling for old ISA drivers in kernel (think to some old ISA 3com card, like 3C505, etc.).<br>
+<br>G.<br></div></div>
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+2010/9/25 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Again, you are missing the point, these machines are not desktop PCs<br>
+running a GUI, any modern Linux distro still runs perfectly fine with<br>
+64-128MB and 10-15 year old cpus when used for many headless purposes.<br></blockquote><div><br>For instance? Apart DSL which distro can you start the installer with 64MB memory only (use 1GB swap?)? Were you able to install the 2010.1?<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+There is no reason to artificially block Mageia from running on these<br>
+machines (and their are far more common than you think).<br></blockquote><div><br>Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be <span class="clickable"><span class="sg"><span class="se1"><span class="trn">dismantled carefully.</span></span></span></span><br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+When planning a distro you need to think inclusion, not exclusion.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div> <br>I&#39;m not speaking about exclusion but about including or optimizing for arch and hardware that NOBODY will use anymore, because can&#39;t.<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/25 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Again, you are missing the point, these machines are not desktop PCs<br>
+running a GUI, any modern Linux distro still runs perfectly fine with<br>
+64-128MB and 10-15 year old cpus when used for many headless purposes.<br></blockquote><div><br>For instance? Apart DSL which distro can you start the installer with 64MB memory only (use 1GB swap?)? Were you able to install the 2010.1?<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+There is no reason to artificially block Mageia from running on these<br>
+machines (and their are far more common than you think).<br></blockquote><div><br>Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be <span class="clickable"><span class="sg"><span class="se1"><span class="trn">dismantled carefully.</span></span></span></span><br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+When planning a distro you need to think inclusion, not exclusion.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div> <br>I&#39;m not speaking about exclusion but about including or optimizing for arch and hardware that NOBODY will use anymore, because can&#39;t.<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/25 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; IMHO the problem is not finding an architecture to fit the i586 or i686 rpm<br>
+&gt; flags, rather to find the minimum CPU and memory requirement worthwhile for<br>
+&gt; a decent usage. With KDE if we look at the Mandriva 2010.1, it&#39;s barely<br>
+&gt; usable on a P4-3000 with 1-2GB RAM, or a AMD Barton 2500. Barely means that<br>
+&gt; windows and applications are pretty slow to open, switching is slow, etc.;<br>
+&gt; since netbook are so popular we can consider the minimum requirements as<br>
+&gt; those of a typical 2010 netbook, which has ATOM 1.6Ghz processor and 1GB<br>
+&gt; memory. In other words we can consider as default the presence of the SSE<br>
+&gt; instruction set. ATOM has even the SSE2, which would be even better, but<br>
+&gt; that would left out some AMD CPU (some older AMD, like 1.2Ghz has only the<br>
+&gt; 3DNow and not SSE). I would drop compiling for old ISA drivers in kernel<br>
+&gt; (think to some old ISA 3com card, like 3C505, etc.).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>You are not seeing the bigger picture. Mageia is not just for desktop or<br>
+netbook users or modern powerful servers, there are people using<br>
+embedded systems that often still have i586 compatible cpus, ISA cards<br>
+are still very common in industrial uses, etc.<br>
+<br>
+Personally I have a VIA C3 based system that I use as home server, and<br>
+the C3 is only i586 compatible, not i686.<br></blockquote><div><br>Frankly IMHO such hardware is pretty unusable on a modern distro. I think maintaining the compatibility for older legacy hardware is a duty for OpenBSD. I tried such (i.e. Mandriva) on older hardware, and it&#39;s really really slow, even without the graphical stuff. This is for instance a Dual PII-450 with SCSI 10000RPM disks and 1GB RAM. At the time such hardware was new it was the fastest machine you could assemble, and the distro you could run was a lightning. Like if today you would assemble a Dual six-core i7 985X with 64GB of memory and 6TB RAID disks. And PII don&#39;t have the SSE2.<br>
+ Every time you upgrade the distro, performance drop to half (it&#39;s not a matter of optimization, it&#39;s because the X11 become bigger, the kernel fatter because more and more stuff added, more and more checks, the applications bigger, the toolkits slower, the number of libraries higher, ...).<br>
+ <br>And furthermore the more older system you have the fewer memory you have available. And you can&#39;t add more memory because the chipset doesn&#39;t support more. In these days also counts the consume of energy, so the tendency is also to replace old hardware which consumes too much power compared to newer hardware and virtualize the old application|system. Unless of course you wanna experiment some solar panels... ;-)<br>
+<br>Often even doing the installation from scratch won&#39;t work anymore, because the higher memory requirements. So I really want to know a REAL survey of still old (oldest) hardware running and USING the latest distro (latest means LATEST, not 1 or 2 years ago distro). I myself have seen even in production (of course not on the internet so you don&#39;t need patches) systems with MDK 7.2 with 128MB RAM and K6, but they wouldn&#39;t dare to upgrade it to the latest.<br>
+<br>That&#39;s why I said to drop things that nowadays NOBODY uses anymore. Then if someone has such hardware, it wouldn&#39;t be a problem of adding a kernel module to the kernel list for a certain card that still is used. Of course you can argue, that certainly a newer system would have the 64bit instruction set support (which has even the SSE2 as lowest common denominator), so a user there would certainly install the 64bit system and not the 32 one. Then I say this is right.<br>
+<br>Regarding VIA C3, I wonder exactly which model you have, how much memory, and which distro you are running on it. As at least 4-5 years old C3 core Nehemiah models have support for SSE, SSE2, and even crypto hardware optimization (that even Intel or AMD doesn&#39;t have).<br>
+I&#39;m not saying such hardware is not common, but I wonder whether they would install Mageia on it. It even exists slower hardware based on ARM architecture, but there isn&#39;t any ARM port of the distro. Or is planned one?<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Also dropping kernel modules for old hardware does not bring any<br>
+advantage (they are modules anyway so they don&#39;t get loaded on systems<br>
+where they aren&#39;t needed), only disadvantages to those people who need<br>
+them.<br></blockquote><div><br>Only advantage is that you get kernel package thinner and building time shorter :-)<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+So please let&#39;s try to be as comprehensive as possible, not exclude<br>
+potential users by creating needless limits and restrictions.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>It&#39;s not a matter of excluding potential users, rather providing the real requirements, not &quot;it SHOULD work because we compiled with -march=i586...).<br><br>Bye<br>
+Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/25 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; IMHO the problem is not finding an architecture to fit the i586 or i686 rpm<br>
+&gt; flags, rather to find the minimum CPU and memory requirement worthwhile for<br>
+&gt; a decent usage. With KDE if we look at the Mandriva 2010.1, it&#39;s barely<br>
+&gt; usable on a P4-3000 with 1-2GB RAM, or a AMD Barton 2500. Barely means that<br>
+&gt; windows and applications are pretty slow to open, switching is slow, etc.;<br>
+&gt; since netbook are so popular we can consider the minimum requirements as<br>
+&gt; those of a typical 2010 netbook, which has ATOM 1.6Ghz processor and 1GB<br>
+&gt; memory. In other words we can consider as default the presence of the SSE<br>
+&gt; instruction set. ATOM has even the SSE2, which would be even better, but<br>
+&gt; that would left out some AMD CPU (some older AMD, like 1.2Ghz has only the<br>
+&gt; 3DNow and not SSE). I would drop compiling for old ISA drivers in kernel<br>
+&gt; (think to some old ISA 3com card, like 3C505, etc.).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>You are not seeing the bigger picture. Mageia is not just for desktop or<br>
+netbook users or modern powerful servers, there are people using<br>
+embedded systems that often still have i586 compatible cpus, ISA cards<br>
+are still very common in industrial uses, etc.<br>
+<br>
+Personally I have a VIA C3 based system that I use as home server, and<br>
+the C3 is only i586 compatible, not i686.<br></blockquote><div><br>Frankly IMHO such hardware is pretty unusable on a modern distro. I think maintaining the compatibility for older legacy hardware is a duty for OpenBSD. I tried such (i.e. Mandriva) on older hardware, and it&#39;s really really slow, even without the graphical stuff. This is for instance a Dual PII-450 with SCSI 10000RPM disks and 1GB RAM. At the time such hardware was new it was the fastest machine you could assemble, and the distro you could run was a lightning. Like if today you would assemble a Dual six-core i7 985X with 64GB of memory and 6TB RAID disks. And PII don&#39;t have the SSE2.<br>
+ Every time you upgrade the distro, performance drop to half (it&#39;s not a matter of optimization, it&#39;s because the X11 become bigger, the kernel fatter because more and more stuff added, more and more checks, the applications bigger, the toolkits slower, the number of libraries higher, ...).<br>
+ <br>And furthermore the more older system you have the fewer memory you have available. And you can&#39;t add more memory because the chipset doesn&#39;t support more. In these days also counts the consume of energy, so the tendency is also to replace old hardware which consumes too much power compared to newer hardware and virtualize the old application|system. Unless of course you wanna experiment some solar panels... ;-)<br>
+<br>Often even doing the installation from scratch won&#39;t work anymore, because the higher memory requirements. So I really want to know a REAL survey of still old (oldest) hardware running and USING the latest distro (latest means LATEST, not 1 or 2 years ago distro). I myself have seen even in production (of course not on the internet so you don&#39;t need patches) systems with MDK 7.2 with 128MB RAM and K6, but they wouldn&#39;t dare to upgrade it to the latest.<br>
+<br>That&#39;s why I said to drop things that nowadays NOBODY uses anymore. Then if someone has such hardware, it wouldn&#39;t be a problem of adding a kernel module to the kernel list for a certain card that still is used. Of course you can argue, that certainly a newer system would have the 64bit instruction set support (which has even the SSE2 as lowest common denominator), so a user there would certainly install the 64bit system and not the 32 one. Then I say this is right.<br>
+<br>Regarding VIA C3, I wonder exactly which model you have, how much memory, and which distro you are running on it. As at least 4-5 years old C3 core Nehemiah models have support for SSE, SSE2, and even crypto hardware optimization (that even Intel or AMD doesn&#39;t have).<br>
+I&#39;m not saying such hardware is not common, but I wonder whether they would install Mageia on it. It even exists slower hardware based on ARM architecture, but there isn&#39;t any ARM port of the distro. Or is planned one?<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Also dropping kernel modules for old hardware does not bring any<br>
+advantage (they are modules anyway so they don&#39;t get loaded on systems<br>
+where they aren&#39;t needed), only disadvantages to those people who need<br>
+them.<br></blockquote><div><br>Only advantage is that you get kernel package thinner and building time shorter :-)<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+So please let&#39;s try to be as comprehensive as possible, not exclude<br>
+potential users by creating needless limits and restrictions.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>It&#39;s not a matter of excluding potential users, rather providing the real requirements, not &quot;it SHOULD work because we compiled with -march=i586...).<br><br>Bye<br>
+Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+<div><div>I fully Agree.</div><div>I&#39;m Brazilian. I see many peoples here that uses old PC&#39;s and notebooks with simple configuration. I think that Mageia can have an version lite, however not now. In the moment we must keep the focus on a single desktop version (586) .</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Júnior</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 25 de setembro de 2010 21:45, André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div class="im">&gt; Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware<br></div><div><div class="im"><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div>
+&gt; like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or<br>
+&gt; desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled<br>
+&gt; carefully.<br>
+<br>
+</div>You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is<br>
+being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries.<br>
+Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs.<br></blockquote></div><div><div class="im"><br>I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br></div>I fully agree, At &quot;first world&quot; countries, Like Europe ones or USA, people can buy the most recet PCS, but at &quot;Thrird world&quot; countries - Like Brazil, what is part of BRIC, or many Africa nations - this is very unacessible by population, even with government programs, like Brazil&#39;s &quot;Computador para Todos&quot; (computer for everyone) that sells low-cost PCs with inferior hardware, <span><span title="">often leftover stock lines earlier from the U.S. and Europe. In many department shops here, for example, Core2Duo is </span></span><span><span title="">sold as if it were the last flavor of the moment.</span></span><br>
+<br>If, where you are, Pentium I - 4 and 32-bit platform is a museum thing, in most World parts, is not. I know people that, nowadays, uses a Pentium 200 with 64MB RAM as main computer.<br><br>Despite Mageia main target be current computers, we must think in these people; 32-bit will not die anytime soon. Then: Do we need compile 32-bit edition as i586 - and support Pentium and above, i686 - and support Pentium Pro and above, or do a Mageia Lite edition?<br>
+<br>[PS: <span><span title="">I did not break the thread this time, broke?</span></span>]<br></div></div><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank"></a><br> <br><hr>Washington DC&#39;s Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <a href="http://www.DCemail.com" target="_blank">http://www.DCemail.com</a> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<br>
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+<div><div>I fully Agree.</div><div>I&#39;m Brazilian. I see many peoples here that uses old PC&#39;s and notebooks with simple configuration. I think that Mageia can have an version lite, however not now. In the moment we must keep the focus on a single desktop version (586) .</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Júnior</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 25 de setembro de 2010 21:45, André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div class="im">&gt; Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware<br></div><div><div class="im"><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div>
+&gt; like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or<br>
+&gt; desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled<br>
+&gt; carefully.<br>
+<br>
+</div>You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is<br>
+being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries.<br>
+Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs.<br></blockquote></div><div><div class="im"><br>I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br></div>I fully agree, At &quot;first world&quot; countries, Like Europe ones or USA, people can buy the most recet PCS, but at &quot;Thrird world&quot; countries - Like Brazil, what is part of BRIC, or many Africa nations - this is very unacessible by population, even with government programs, like Brazil&#39;s &quot;Computador para Todos&quot; (computer for everyone) that sells low-cost PCs with inferior hardware, <span><span title="">often leftover stock lines earlier from the U.S. and Europe. In many department shops here, for example, Core2Duo is </span></span><span><span title="">sold as if it were the last flavor of the moment.</span></span><br>
+<br>If, where you are, Pentium I - 4 and 32-bit platform is a museum thing, in most World parts, is not. I know people that, nowadays, uses a Pentium 200 with 64MB RAM as main computer.<br><br>Despite Mageia main target be current computers, we must think in these people; 32-bit will not die anytime soon. Then: Do we need compile 32-bit edition as i586 - and support Pentium and above, i686 - and support Pentium Pro and above, or do a Mageia Lite edition?<br>
+<br>[PS: <span><span title="">I did not break the thread this time, broke?</span></span>]<br></div></div><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank"></a><br> <br><hr>Washington DC&#39;s Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <a href="http://www.DCemail.com" target="_blank">http://www.DCemail.com</a> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<br>
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+<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;">&gt; Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware<BR><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><DIV>

+&gt; like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or<BR>

+&gt; desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled<BR>

+&gt; carefully.<BR>

+<BR>

+</DIV>You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is<BR>

+being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries.<BR>

+Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR>I don't want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can't&nbsp; (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of failures. That's why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based on own experiences.<BR><BR>I fully agree, At "first world" countries, Like Europe ones or USA, people can buy the most recet PCS, but at "Thrird world" countries - Like Brazil, what is part of BRIC, or many Africa nations - this is very unacessible by population, even with government programs, like Brazil's "Computador para Todos" (computer for everyone) that sells low-cost PCs with inferior hardware, <SPAN><SPAN style="" title="">often leftover stock lines earlier from the U.S. and Europe. In many department shops here, for example, Core2Duo is </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><SPAN style="" title="">sold as if it were the last flavor of the moment.</SPAN></SPAN><BR><BR>If, where you are, Pentium I - 4 and 32-bit platform is a museum thing, in most World parts, is not. I know people that, nowadays, uses a Pentium 200 with 64MB RAM as main computer.<BR><BR>Despite Mageia main target be current computers, we must think in these people; 32-bit will not die anytime soon. Then: Do we need compile 32-bit edition as i586 - and support Pentium and above, i686 - and support Pentium Pro and above, or do a Mageia Lite edition?<BR><BR>[PS: <SPAN><SPAN style="" title="">I did not break the thread this time, broke?</SPAN></SPAN>]<BR></DIV></DIV><A href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev"></A><BR>&nbsp;<BR><HR>Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; http://www.DCemail.com ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<BR>http://www.DCpages.com</DIV>
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+&gt; like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or<BR>

+&gt; desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled<BR>

+&gt; carefully.<BR>

+<BR>

+</DIV>You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is<BR>

+being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries.<BR>

+Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR>I don't want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can't&nbsp; (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of failures. That's why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based on own experiences.<BR><BR>I fully agree, At "first world" countries, Like Europe ones or USA, people can buy the most recet PCS, but at "Thrird world" countries - Like Brazil, what is part of BRIC, or many Africa nations - this is very unacessible by population, even with government programs, like Brazil's "Computador para Todos" (computer for everyone) that sells low-cost PCs with inferior hardware, <SPAN><SPAN style="" title="">often leftover stock lines earlier from the U.S. and Europe. In many department shops here, for example, Core2Duo is </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><SPAN style="" title="">sold as if it were the last flavor of the moment.</SPAN></SPAN><BR><BR>If, where you are, Pentium I - 4 and 32-bit platform is a museum thing, in most World parts, is not. I know people that, nowadays, uses a Pentium 200 with 64MB RAM as main computer.<BR><BR>Despite Mageia main target be current computers, we must think in these people; 32-bit will not die anytime soon. Then: Do we need compile 32-bit edition as i586 - and support Pentium and above, i686 - and support Pentium Pro and above, or do a Mageia Lite edition?<BR><BR>[PS: <SPAN><SPAN style="" title="">I did not break the thread this time, broke?</SPAN></SPAN>]<BR></DIV></DIV><A href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev"></A><BR>&nbsp;<BR><HR>Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; http://www.DCemail.com ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<BR>http://www.DCpages.com</DIV>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/25 R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+I *definitely* do not want to see dropping support for everything that<br>
+doesn&#39;t do SSE2 (which was discussed in the Fedora thread you linked).<br></blockquote><div><br>I read the <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support</a>. IMHO optimizing for some ATOM specific CPU get 1% improvement, IMHO those are peanuts and not worthwhile to change anything at cost of loosing compatibility. ATOM and distro and applications running on ATOMs needs much much more boosts (BTW, I&#39;ve ATOM 450 and I run directly the 64bit 2010.1 distro on it, so should be SSE2 optimzed at source, and IMHO it is still underpowered for plain tasks).<br>
+<br>G.<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/25 R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+I *definitely* do not want to see dropping support for everything that<br>
+doesn&#39;t do SSE2 (which was discussed in the Fedora thread you linked).<br></blockquote><div><br>I read the <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support</a>. IMHO optimizing for some ATOM specific CPU get 1% improvement, IMHO those are peanuts and not worthwhile to change anything at cost of loosing compatibility. ATOM and distro and applications running on ATOMs needs much much more boosts (BTW, I&#39;ve ATOM 450 and I run directly the 64bit 2010.1 distro on it, so should be SSE2 optimzed at source, and IMHO it is still underpowered for plain tasks).<br>
+<br>G.<br><br></div></div>
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+I Like this idea. An modern way and that envolve community. Maybe it&#39;s an successfully.<div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 26 de setembro de 2010 11:27, André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+--- <a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a> escreveu:<br>
+<br>
+From: Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system?<br>
+Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:38:19 +0200<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Le dimanche 26 septembre 2010 à 14:22 +0200, Olivier Blin a écrit :<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt; It would be cool if it could be done that way.  Why pay for data<br>
+&gt; &gt; center space, hardware, electricity and big bandwidth when you could<br>
+&gt; &gt; have a community-provided &quot;cloud&quot; for free? :o)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Because there are some authentication and integrity issues which are not<br>
+&gt; simple to solve: we have to be sure that the binary packages really come<br>
+&gt; from the unmodified SRPM (so that it does not contains malware).<br>
+<br>
+We could however use this to host something similar to koji scratch<br>
+build ( ie, build that are not pushed to central mirror ).<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UsingKoji#Scratch_builds_2" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UsingKoji#Scratch_builds_2</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
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+<br>
+</div></div>Tis idea is cool. Can we do something like Nasa&#39; SETI - Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence -, a community build grid: everyone install dev tools in your machine and runs a piece of software what downloads a SRPM or a part of a SRPM to this machine, compile it and uploads it back. Mageia can be built in minutes (despite some members low connection speed) and would be something completely new and innovative!<br>
+
+<br>
+Reguards,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
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+I Like this idea. An modern way and that envolve community. Maybe it&#39;s an successfully.<div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 26 de setembro de 2010 11:27, André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+--- <a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a> escreveu:<br>
+<br>
+From: Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Will this work for a build system?<br>
+Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:38:19 +0200<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Le dimanche 26 septembre 2010 à 14:22 +0200, Olivier Blin a écrit :<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt; It would be cool if it could be done that way.  Why pay for data<br>
+&gt; &gt; center space, hardware, electricity and big bandwidth when you could<br>
+&gt; &gt; have a community-provided &quot;cloud&quot; for free? :o)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Because there are some authentication and integrity issues which are not<br>
+&gt; simple to solve: we have to be sure that the binary packages really come<br>
+&gt; from the unmodified SRPM (so that it does not contains malware).<br>
+<br>
+We could however use this to host something similar to koji scratch<br>
+build ( ie, build that are not pushed to central mirror ).<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UsingKoji#Scratch_builds_2" target="_blank">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UsingKoji#Scratch_builds_2</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
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+<br>
+</div></div>Tis idea is cool. Can we do something like Nasa&#39; SETI - Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence -, a community build grid: everyone install dev tools in your machine and runs a piece of software what downloads a SRPM or a part of a SRPM to this machine, compile it and uploads it back. Mageia can be built in minutes (despite some members low connection speed) and would be something completely new and innovative!<br>
+
+<br>
+Reguards,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Andre Machado - <a href="http://www.twitter.com/afmachado" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/afmachado</a><br>
+Mageia - A Magia continua<br>
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+2010/9/26 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 02:09:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from<div class="im"><br>
+an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you<br>
+can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than<br>
+getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try<br>
+such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very<br>
+disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of<br>
+oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+You still miss the point that in Mageia community there are many users that find 30-50e a _lot_ of money, and we dont want to shut them out.<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;m not decreasing the value of the money, but rather I was pointing out the false assumption that mageia (or the current inherited mandriva) would work and would work FINE (or at all) on that hardware just because it was using a compatible instruction set. I&#39;m not against this, but if that we wanna support that kind of hardware there is MUCH MORE work to do (I suggested a LEGACY section in the wiki, but seems it wasn&#39;t caught) than just keeping the actual flags, because in that way if we don&#39;t change then nobody will complain. Even the simple lzma payload of rpm packages requires much more memory than in the past with gzip. I&#39;m not sure with current squashfs for the initial ram disks.<br>
+<br>I already cited there are other distro which maybe do a lot better this job. In many countries there isn&#39;t even the broadband, dialup, nor the electrical power for them. Right now you are almost assuming that a 10 years old instruction set is still a no go, and that our distro is optimized like the one of the One Laptop Per Child Project. Sadly it isn&#39;t. But there is also a 2nd point: on old hardware it is still possible to run old software and old distros: strange but true. Such old software is still doing its dirty job. It&#39;s not that you get a trojan as soon as you put the nose out the net. There are still ways of configuring a distro on a LAN and trust in the people using the terminals locally. Many schools still use them. In a 2 hours lesson at school you can&#39;t wait half an our just to have your desktop booting..., the same if you plan an antispam server with latest antispam tools on a server of that category (server that was doing it&#39;s dirty job with the distro of 2 or 3 generations ago). <br>
+<br>I also tried such old hardware, but there are much less bloated distro and less bloated kernels (even non-linux ones) that do the job (or a specific duty) on such hardware a lot better than ours.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br>
+<br></div></div>
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+2010/9/26 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 02:09:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from<div class="im"><br>
+an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you<br>
+can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than<br>
+getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try<br>
+such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very<br>
+disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of<br>
+oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+You still miss the point that in Mageia community there are many users that find 30-50e a _lot_ of money, and we dont want to shut them out.<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;m not decreasing the value of the money, but rather I was pointing out the false assumption that mageia (or the current inherited mandriva) would work and would work FINE (or at all) on that hardware just because it was using a compatible instruction set. I&#39;m not against this, but if that we wanna support that kind of hardware there is MUCH MORE work to do (I suggested a LEGACY section in the wiki, but seems it wasn&#39;t caught) than just keeping the actual flags, because in that way if we don&#39;t change then nobody will complain. Even the simple lzma payload of rpm packages requires much more memory than in the past with gzip. I&#39;m not sure with current squashfs for the initial ram disks.<br>
+<br>I already cited there are other distro which maybe do a lot better this job. In many countries there isn&#39;t even the broadband, dialup, nor the electrical power for them. Right now you are almost assuming that a 10 years old instruction set is still a no go, and that our distro is optimized like the one of the One Laptop Per Child Project. Sadly it isn&#39;t. But there is also a 2nd point: on old hardware it is still possible to run old software and old distros: strange but true. Such old software is still doing its dirty job. It&#39;s not that you get a trojan as soon as you put the nose out the net. There are still ways of configuring a distro on a LAN and trust in the people using the terminals locally. Many schools still use them. In a 2 hours lesson at school you can&#39;t wait half an our just to have your desktop booting..., the same if you plan an antispam server with latest antispam tools on a server of that category (server that was doing it&#39;s dirty job with the distro of 2 or 3 generations ago). <br>
+<br>I also tried such old hardware, but there are much less bloated distro and less bloated kernels (even non-linux ones) that do the job (or a specific duty) on such hardware a lot better than ours.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br>
+<br></div></div>
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+2010/9/26 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Centos4 IS NOT a modern distro. It is a LTS started in 2005 and so it<br>
+&gt; maintains 2005&#39;s original skeleton of kernel, gcc, glibc and X. That&#39;s FIVE<br>
+&gt; years old.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m quite sure Centos5/RHEL5 would install and run fine on it too,<br>
+Debian would almost certainly too, the point is when you don&#39;t<br>
+install/use a GUI, Linux still can run fine on very old low end<br>
+hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>kernel 2.6.18 is a lot different than 2.6.31/33. As I said I invite to RUN the installation/installer from scratch (there is the dual-arch installer on a CD) of 2010.1 or cooker in such hardware. And if successful, report the memory usage without any service started apart the login ttys. We are not using the installation tools of CentOS or Debian. NetBSD would have probably even the tiny one since AIM of being still compatible to m68k hardware.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; As example MDV 2007.1, which is 3 years old, was still very<br>
+&gt; usable and responsive on my P4/ATI (maybe not as much as stable with 3D<br>
+&gt; acceleration), but 2010.0 ISN&#39;T.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Again, you are missing the point, you are talking about desktop/GUI use!<br>
+Computers get used for a lot of other purposes, not just desktop/GUI use!<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+<br>
+&gt; That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based<br>
+&gt; on own experiences.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, my oldest hardware that I still have working is a dual cpu<br>
+Pentium 233MMX (the original i586) with 384MB RAM (currently has 2008.1<br></blockquote><div><br>in i586 we are not even using MMX. As I said 2008.1 is not 2010.1 but 4 generation distro behind. Since it&#39;s not LTS, you might try to upgrade to 2010.1.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+on it) and a VIA C3 (samuel2 core, i586 since it lacks CMOV) box with<br>
+512MB RAM which has mdv 2010.1 installed on it and works fine for it&#39;s<br>
+purpose too (headless home server running 24/7 and only uses 10Watts).<br></blockquote><div><br>what is the output of &quot;cpuinfo&quot; there?<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; Very interesting, but will such &quot;industrial use&quot; will be target for Mageia<br>
+&gt; (BTW, certainly socket 775 CPU will support SSE and SSE2...)? If they have<br>
+&gt; an ISA slot, I guess is for maintaning the compatibility with some old fancy<br>
+&gt; (and maybe custom) card, certainly not for an ISA ethernet card that can be<br>
+&gt; easily replaced with a cheap PCI one or the one on board.<br>
+<br>
+</div>That was just one example, there are many other situations were you<br>
+still find ISA hardware, especially in developing countries.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; Not exactly. I&#39;m not talking in just using -march=&lt;something&gt; but in also<br>
+&gt; pushing -mfpmath=sse -msse (and maybe -msse2) , which should be much more<br>
+&gt; than JUST 1-2% (1-2% is usually the benchmark tolerance)...<br>
+<br>
+</div>AFAIK SSE will only help with media apps (mplayer, etc) and they do<br>
+autodedect already anyway so in practice nothing is gained.<br></blockquote><div><br>-mfpmath=sse would replace the x87 with sse. Of course for any CPU not having the SSE would result in a segfault or illegal instruction report rather than a drop of performance as in case of changing the optimization but maintaining the backward compatibility.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; being realistic I think it&#39;s a lot of work and there aren&#39;t the resources,<br>
+&gt; so a choice of the default flags should be done.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Agreed that would be too much work for very little benefit, the default<br>
+flags of Mandriva are just fine since they still work on i586.<br></blockquote><div><br>If you are able to break the Page&#39;s law you are welcome. :-)<br>[<a href="http://www.appscout.com/2009/05/moores_law_meet_larry_pages_la.php">http://www.appscout.com/2009/05/moores_law_meet_larry_pages_la.php</a>]<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+We could have some selected packages also as i686 (like MIB does and<br>
+like the kernel already is), like for example all the media players, but<br>
+making the whole distro i686 would break too many uses of it.<br></blockquote><div><br>as I said you are forgetting two of the most important like glibc and kernel. As I said it&#39;s not that difficult to provide such packages (even optimized for VIA C3 and C7) but require a little bit more than rebuilding with specifying --target=c3,c7,xxx in rpm building.<br>
+<br>I also think that sometimes application due to poor cache (including ATOM) would run faster when compiled with -Os instead of -O2...; we could introduce it for a common .i386.rpm package.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br>
+In a challenge of better supporting legacy hardware, why not adding Mageia super-Legacy no-desktop section? where we are doing exactly the opposite of supporting newer hardware. E.g.:<br><br>- remove i18n support, only LANG=C<br>
+- optimize for tiny cache<br>- reduce the # of fonts installed<br>- no themes<br>- reduce # of things in /etc/profile.d<br>- no extra audio daemon support (pulse, etc) or even no audio support<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/26 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Giuseppe Ghibò wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Centos4 IS NOT a modern distro. It is a LTS started in 2005 and so it<br>
+&gt; maintains 2005&#39;s original skeleton of kernel, gcc, glibc and X. That&#39;s FIVE<br>
+&gt; years old.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m quite sure Centos5/RHEL5 would install and run fine on it too,<br>
+Debian would almost certainly too, the point is when you don&#39;t<br>
+install/use a GUI, Linux still can run fine on very old low end<br>
+hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>kernel 2.6.18 is a lot different than 2.6.31/33. As I said I invite to RUN the installation/installer from scratch (there is the dual-arch installer on a CD) of 2010.1 or cooker in such hardware. And if successful, report the memory usage without any service started apart the login ttys. We are not using the installation tools of CentOS or Debian. NetBSD would have probably even the tiny one since AIM of being still compatible to m68k hardware.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; As example MDV 2007.1, which is 3 years old, was still very<br>
+&gt; usable and responsive on my P4/ATI (maybe not as much as stable with 3D<br>
+&gt; acceleration), but 2010.0 ISN&#39;T.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Again, you are missing the point, you are talking about desktop/GUI use!<br>
+Computers get used for a lot of other purposes, not just desktop/GUI use!<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+<br>
+&gt; That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based<br>
+&gt; on own experiences.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, my oldest hardware that I still have working is a dual cpu<br>
+Pentium 233MMX (the original i586) with 384MB RAM (currently has 2008.1<br></blockquote><div><br>in i586 we are not even using MMX. As I said 2008.1 is not 2010.1 but 4 generation distro behind. Since it&#39;s not LTS, you might try to upgrade to 2010.1.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+on it) and a VIA C3 (samuel2 core, i586 since it lacks CMOV) box with<br>
+512MB RAM which has mdv 2010.1 installed on it and works fine for it&#39;s<br>
+purpose too (headless home server running 24/7 and only uses 10Watts).<br></blockquote><div><br>what is the output of &quot;cpuinfo&quot; there?<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; Very interesting, but will such &quot;industrial use&quot; will be target for Mageia<br>
+&gt; (BTW, certainly socket 775 CPU will support SSE and SSE2...)? If they have<br>
+&gt; an ISA slot, I guess is for maintaning the compatibility with some old fancy<br>
+&gt; (and maybe custom) card, certainly not for an ISA ethernet card that can be<br>
+&gt; easily replaced with a cheap PCI one or the one on board.<br>
+<br>
+</div>That was just one example, there are many other situations were you<br>
+still find ISA hardware, especially in developing countries.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; Not exactly. I&#39;m not talking in just using -march=&lt;something&gt; but in also<br>
+&gt; pushing -mfpmath=sse -msse (and maybe -msse2) , which should be much more<br>
+&gt; than JUST 1-2% (1-2% is usually the benchmark tolerance)...<br>
+<br>
+</div>AFAIK SSE will only help with media apps (mplayer, etc) and they do<br>
+autodedect already anyway so in practice nothing is gained.<br></blockquote><div><br>-mfpmath=sse would replace the x87 with sse. Of course for any CPU not having the SSE would result in a segfault or illegal instruction report rather than a drop of performance as in case of changing the optimization but maintaining the backward compatibility.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; being realistic I think it&#39;s a lot of work and there aren&#39;t the resources,<br>
+&gt; so a choice of the default flags should be done.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Agreed that would be too much work for very little benefit, the default<br>
+flags of Mandriva are just fine since they still work on i586.<br></blockquote><div><br>If you are able to break the Page&#39;s law you are welcome. :-)<br>[<a href="http://www.appscout.com/2009/05/moores_law_meet_larry_pages_la.php">http://www.appscout.com/2009/05/moores_law_meet_larry_pages_la.php</a>]<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+We could have some selected packages also as i686 (like MIB does and<br>
+like the kernel already is), like for example all the media players, but<br>
+making the whole distro i686 would break too many uses of it.<br></blockquote><div><br>as I said you are forgetting two of the most important like glibc and kernel. As I said it&#39;s not that difficult to provide such packages (even optimized for VIA C3 and C7) but require a little bit more than rebuilding with specifying --target=c3,c7,xxx in rpm building.<br>
+<br>I also think that sometimes application due to poor cache (including ATOM) would run faster when compiled with -Os instead of -O2...; we could introduce it for a common .i386.rpm package.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br>
+In a challenge of better supporting legacy hardware, why not adding Mageia super-Legacy no-desktop section? where we are doing exactly the opposite of supporting newer hardware. E.g.:<br><br>- remove i18n support, only LANG=C<br>
+- optimize for tiny cache<br>- reduce the # of fonts installed<br>- no themes<br>- reduce # of things in /etc/profile.d<br>- no extra audio daemon support (pulse, etc) or even no audio support<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/26 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div class="im">&gt; Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware<br></div><div><div class="im"><blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>
+&gt; like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or<br>
+&gt; desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled<br>
+&gt; carefully.<br>
+<br>
+</div>You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is<br>
+being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries.<br>
+Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs.<br></blockquote></div><div><div class="im"><br>I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br></div>I fully agree, At &quot;first world&quot; countries, Like Europe ones or USA, people can buy the most recet PCS, but at &quot;Thrird world&quot; countries - Like Brazil, what is part of BRIC, or many Africa nations - this is very unacessible by population, even with government programs, like Brazil&#39;s &quot;Computador para Todos&quot; (computer for everyone) that sells low-cost PCs with inferior hardware, <span><span title="">often leftover stock lines earlier from the U.S. and Europe. In many department shops here, for example, Core2Duo is </span></span><span><span title="">sold as if it were the last flavor of the moment.</span></span><br>
+<br>If, where you are, Pentium I - 4 and 32-bit platform is a museum thing, in most World parts, is not. I know people that, nowadays, uses a Pentium 200 with 64MB RAM as main computer.<br><br>Despite Mageia main target be current computers, we must think in these people; 32-bit will not die anytime soon. Then: Do we need compile 32-bit edition as i586 - and support Pentium and above, i686 - and support Pentium Pro and above, or do a Mageia Lite edition?<br>
+<br>[PS: <span><span title="">I did not break the thread this time, broke?</span></span>]<br></div></div><br></div></blockquote><div> <br>What I&#39;m saying is that in the &quot;real world&quot;, an hardware generation is born for a certain software generation. Outside this you can&#39;t, if programmers doesn&#39;t have paid a particular attention to memory consumption and performance. And currently they haven&#39;t.<br>
+<br>In mandriva 7.0-7.2 I was able to run vmware on a P133 with not 64 but 48MB of RAM, and there I was running another OS under which I was running a (TWAIN) software for page scanning for a Umax Page Office scanner, and that was the only software available for acquiring data from a parallel port. A bit slow but usable. The same using a modern distro on that old hardware is no longer possible. So the feeling of being compatible with older hardware is just apparent. This is true for even non-graphics applications. Try just with apache, postfix, spamassassin, or even a simple modem-bridge with the only things doing is having a modem connected to a serial port running a getty and pppd for dialup access (that&#39;s the smallest application which comes to my mind).<br>
+<br>So my point was that we were keeping flags holding the brakes for maintaining a compatibility which is just apparent. Current configuring tools are written in high level languages, like python, with a lot of other libraries, and they consumes a lot more memory than in the past. Even rendering the fonts consumes a lot more. xfs was even removed from standard installation.<br>
+<br>Being compatible and usable with legacy system like that is certainly possible, but not in the current way. On the software side is even worst (e.g. some software removed in favour of other newer having the same capability). Maybe there could be created a section called &quot;Legacy&quot; for such kind of things, with much more testing.<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/26 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div class="im">&gt; Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware<br></div><div><div class="im"><blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>
+&gt; like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or<br>
+&gt; desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled<br>
+&gt; carefully.<br>
+<br>
+</div>You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is<br>
+being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries.<br>
+Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs.<br></blockquote></div><div><div class="im"><br>I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br></div>I fully agree, At &quot;first world&quot; countries, Like Europe ones or USA, people can buy the most recet PCS, but at &quot;Thrird world&quot; countries - Like Brazil, what is part of BRIC, or many Africa nations - this is very unacessible by population, even with government programs, like Brazil&#39;s &quot;Computador para Todos&quot; (computer for everyone) that sells low-cost PCs with inferior hardware, <span><span title="">often leftover stock lines earlier from the U.S. and Europe. In many department shops here, for example, Core2Duo is </span></span><span><span title="">sold as if it were the last flavor of the moment.</span></span><br>
+<br>If, where you are, Pentium I - 4 and 32-bit platform is a museum thing, in most World parts, is not. I know people that, nowadays, uses a Pentium 200 with 64MB RAM as main computer.<br><br>Despite Mageia main target be current computers, we must think in these people; 32-bit will not die anytime soon. Then: Do we need compile 32-bit edition as i586 - and support Pentium and above, i686 - and support Pentium Pro and above, or do a Mageia Lite edition?<br>
+<br>[PS: <span><span title="">I did not break the thread this time, broke?</span></span>]<br></div></div><br></div></blockquote><div> <br>What I&#39;m saying is that in the &quot;real world&quot;, an hardware generation is born for a certain software generation. Outside this you can&#39;t, if programmers doesn&#39;t have paid a particular attention to memory consumption and performance. And currently they haven&#39;t.<br>
+<br>In mandriva 7.0-7.2 I was able to run vmware on a P133 with not 64 but 48MB of RAM, and there I was running another OS under which I was running a (TWAIN) software for page scanning for a Umax Page Office scanner, and that was the only software available for acquiring data from a parallel port. A bit slow but usable. The same using a modern distro on that old hardware is no longer possible. So the feeling of being compatible with older hardware is just apparent. This is true for even non-graphics applications. Try just with apache, postfix, spamassassin, or even a simple modem-bridge with the only things doing is having a modem connected to a serial port running a getty and pppd for dialup access (that&#39;s the smallest application which comes to my mind).<br>
+<br>So my point was that we were keeping flags holding the brakes for maintaining a compatibility which is just apparent. Current configuring tools are written in high level languages, like python, with a lot of other libraries, and they consumes a lot more memory than in the past. Even rendering the fonts consumes a lot more. xfs was even removed from standard installation.<br>
+<br>Being compatible and usable with legacy system like that is certainly possible, but not in the current way. On the software side is even worst (e.g. some software removed in favour of other newer having the same capability). Maybe there could be created a section called &quot;Legacy&quot; for such kind of things, with much more testing.<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/26 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 02:09:<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Not exactly. I&#39;m not talking in just using -march=&lt;something&gt; but in<br>
+also pushing -mfpmath=sse -msse (and maybe -msse2) , which should be<br>
+much more than JUST 1-2% (1-2% is usually the benchmark<br>
+tolerance)...<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Well, here is a simple fact.<br>
+<br>
+Yes, going for i686 + SSE2 would/could give some benefits,<br>
+<br>
+BUT<br>
+<br>
+It would close support for all theese:<br>
+- Intel i586 (all)<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+- Intel Pentium Pro<br>
+- Intel Pentium II<br>
+- Intel Pentium III (Including some Pentium D)<br>
+- 32-bit AMD Athlon<br>
+- AMD Geode<br>
+- VIA C3<br>
+- Transmeta Crusoe<br>
+<br>
+So, thats not an option.<br></blockquote><div><br>As I said I would see someone with such hardware, taking a CD of latest MDV or cooker and try to install to do something and do a report.<br><br>That  reminds me also one suggestion. If someone has old hardware that not in use anymore then could be donated to who is willing to test the latest MDV|Mageia on it. It&#39;s not ironic (I think this is a brainstorming), or I&#39;m not kidding, but there could be an wiki hardware section for that. For old hardware schools and institutes or corporations have even to pay for dismantling:  such hardware is usually recycled for:<br>
+<br>  a) extracting gold (there are nowadays new chemical processes that found more affordable to extract gold from old PCs than from mines)<br>  b) avoid pollutions with the lead, plastics they contain, if thrown in the dumpster etc. (note there isn&#39;t just the CPU, but also CRT monitors, printers, disks, etc.)<br>
+<br>IIRC there is a EU law that if you buy a new PC the vendor is obeyed to retire the old one and take care for the dismantling.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+<br>
+Now what about only i686 + SSE then?<br>
+It would still close support for all theese:<br>
+- Intel i586 (all)<br>
+- Some Intel Pentium D<br>
+- 32-bit AMD Athlon &lt; XP/MP<br>
+- AMD Geode &lt; NX<br>
+- VIA C3 (Samuel* and Ezra)<br>
+- Transmeta Crusoe<br>
+<br>
+So, still not an option.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now what about only i686 then?<br>
+It would still close support for all theese:<br>
+- Intel i586 (all)<br>
+- Some Intel Pentium D<br>
+- AMD Geode &lt; NX<br>
+- VIA C3 (Samuel* and Ezra)<br>
+- Transmeta Crusoe<br>
+<br>
+So, still not an option.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+And then to point out some other facts:<br>
+<br>
+Some of the benefits are already accounted for like you noted earlier:<div class="im"><br>
+&quot;Of course we shouldn&#39;t forget that the MDV had already a system for providing optimized (look at /usr/lib/sse2 for instance) version of libraries according to instruction set supported.&quot;<br>
+<br></div>
+And many applications capable of utilizing sse2 and other instruction sets already have runtime detection support, so no problem there.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+So, where does that leave us?<br>
+<br>
+Simple.<br>
+For 32bit installs, we will still support i586 as base.<br>
+For 64bit installs, it&#39;s simple as x86_64 is SSE2 by default.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now, _if_ the Mageia community gets enough developers to think of _and_ support a &quot;light netbook/legacy edition&quot;, then maybe we can think of doing a i586/i686 split, but for now we will use i586 as base.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+And many of the users wanting i686/sse2 already have hardware capable of running x86_64, so that&#39;s what they should do, as there is where the future is.<br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>You are forgetting a midrange. Which is the midrange of not the latest hardware but a memory around 2-4GB RAM. In that set a 32bit OS is still consuming 30-50% fewer memory than 64bit.<br>As I said to complete the circle it is needed to provide on a per --target|dialect .rpm package for the kernel as well as for the glibc. We have just to ensure the targets and fix compilation errors (though that wouldn&#39;t resolve the problem of bloatware distro).<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br>
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+2010/9/26 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 02:09:<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Not exactly. I&#39;m not talking in just using -march=&lt;something&gt; but in<br>
+also pushing -mfpmath=sse -msse (and maybe -msse2) , which should be<br>
+much more than JUST 1-2% (1-2% is usually the benchmark<br>
+tolerance)...<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Well, here is a simple fact.<br>
+<br>
+Yes, going for i686 + SSE2 would/could give some benefits,<br>
+<br>
+BUT<br>
+<br>
+It would close support for all theese:<br>
+- Intel i586 (all)<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+- Intel Pentium Pro<br>
+- Intel Pentium II<br>
+- Intel Pentium III (Including some Pentium D)<br>
+- 32-bit AMD Athlon<br>
+- AMD Geode<br>
+- VIA C3<br>
+- Transmeta Crusoe<br>
+<br>
+So, thats not an option.<br></blockquote><div><br>As I said I would see someone with such hardware, taking a CD of latest MDV or cooker and try to install to do something and do a report.<br><br>That  reminds me also one suggestion. If someone has old hardware that not in use anymore then could be donated to who is willing to test the latest MDV|Mageia on it. It&#39;s not ironic (I think this is a brainstorming), or I&#39;m not kidding, but there could be an wiki hardware section for that. For old hardware schools and institutes or corporations have even to pay for dismantling:  such hardware is usually recycled for:<br>
+<br>  a) extracting gold (there are nowadays new chemical processes that found more affordable to extract gold from old PCs than from mines)<br>  b) avoid pollutions with the lead, plastics they contain, if thrown in the dumpster etc. (note there isn&#39;t just the CPU, but also CRT monitors, printers, disks, etc.)<br>
+<br>IIRC there is a EU law that if you buy a new PC the vendor is obeyed to retire the old one and take care for the dismantling.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+<br>
+Now what about only i686 + SSE then?<br>
+It would still close support for all theese:<br>
+- Intel i586 (all)<br>
+- Some Intel Pentium D<br>
+- 32-bit AMD Athlon &lt; XP/MP<br>
+- AMD Geode &lt; NX<br>
+- VIA C3 (Samuel* and Ezra)<br>
+- Transmeta Crusoe<br>
+<br>
+So, still not an option.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now what about only i686 then?<br>
+It would still close support for all theese:<br>
+- Intel i586 (all)<br>
+- Some Intel Pentium D<br>
+- AMD Geode &lt; NX<br>
+- VIA C3 (Samuel* and Ezra)<br>
+- Transmeta Crusoe<br>
+<br>
+So, still not an option.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+And then to point out some other facts:<br>
+<br>
+Some of the benefits are already accounted for like you noted earlier:<div class="im"><br>
+&quot;Of course we shouldn&#39;t forget that the MDV had already a system for providing optimized (look at /usr/lib/sse2 for instance) version of libraries according to instruction set supported.&quot;<br>
+<br></div>
+And many applications capable of utilizing sse2 and other instruction sets already have runtime detection support, so no problem there.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+So, where does that leave us?<br>
+<br>
+Simple.<br>
+For 32bit installs, we will still support i586 as base.<br>
+For 64bit installs, it&#39;s simple as x86_64 is SSE2 by default.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now, _if_ the Mageia community gets enough developers to think of _and_ support a &quot;light netbook/legacy edition&quot;, then maybe we can think of doing a i586/i686 split, but for now we will use i586 as base.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+And many of the users wanting i686/sse2 already have hardware capable of running x86_64, so that&#39;s what they should do, as there is where the future is.<br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>You are forgetting a midrange. Which is the midrange of not the latest hardware but a memory around 2-4GB RAM. In that set a 32bit OS is still consuming 30-50% fewer memory than 64bit.<br>As I said to complete the circle it is needed to provide on a per --target|dialect .rpm package for the kernel as well as for the glibc. We have just to ensure the targets and fix compilation errors (though that wouldn&#39;t resolve the problem of bloatware distro).<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br>
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+2010/9/26 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+&gt; memory only (use 1GB swap?)? Were you able to install the 2010.1?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Centos 4 installs and runs perfectly fine on a Pentium II 350Mhz with<br>
+128MB RAM, I know it because I installed such a box for a friend as home<br>
+server running 24/7 (with DNS server, apache and some other stuff).<br>
+I didn&#39;t try Mandriva since it lacks long term support.<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Centos4 IS NOT a modern distro. It is a LTS started in 2005 and so it maintains 2005&#39;s original skeleton of kernel, gcc, glibc and X. That&#39;s FIVE years old. As example MDV 2007.1, which is 3 years old, was still very usable and responsive on my P4/ATI (maybe not as much as stable with 3D acceleration), but 2010.0 ISN&#39;T.<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+&gt; Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware<br>
+&gt; like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or<br>
+&gt; desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled<br>
+&gt; carefully.<br>
+<br>
+</div>You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is<br>
+being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries.<br>
+Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs.<br></blockquote><div><br>I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+With regards to ISA cards, you can even still buy brand new modern mobos<br>
+with ISA slots right here in Europe, they are still common for<br>
+industrial uses:<br>
+<a href="http://www.spectra.de/produkte/114184/web/spectra/Datenblatt-PMB-601LF.pdf?CFID=92074854-8638-47f6-a589-6517cde18fb1&amp;CFTOKEN=0" target="_blank">http://www.spectra.de/produkte/114184/web/spectra/Datenblatt-PMB-601LF.pdf?CFID=92074854-8638-47f6-a589-6517cde18fb1&amp;CFTOKEN=0</a><br>
+</blockquote><div><br>Very interesting, but will such &quot;industrial use&quot; will be target for Mageia (BTW, certainly socket 775 CPU will support SSE and SSE2...)? If they have an ISA slot, I guess is for maintaning the compatibility with some old fancy (and maybe custom) card, certainly not for an ISA ethernet card that can be easily replaced with a cheap PCI one or the one on board.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not speaking about exclusion but about including or optimizing for arch<br>
+&gt; and hardware that NOBODY will use anymore, because can&#39;t.<br>
+<br>
+</div>The optimization you are talking about (which will increase<br>
+performance by a few percentage points at most, not noticeable at all<br>
+in practice) means that the distro will be unusable for others.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div> <br>Not exactly. I&#39;m not talking in just using -march=&lt;something&gt; but in also pushing -mfpmath=sse -msse (and maybe -msse2) , which should be much more than JUST 1-2% (1-2% is usually the benchmark tolerance)...Indeed the original idea was of having real .i586, .k6, .k7.rpm, .viac3, .viac7.rpm RPM packages, at least for the core ones: some time ago, when I was fighting with having a non-crashing kernel for the dedibox, I had started adding such &quot;dialects&quot; to the RPM macros (but problems were on the glibc package), but being realistic I think it&#39;s a lot of work and there aren&#39;t the resources, so a choice of the default flags should be done.<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/26 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+&gt; memory only (use 1GB swap?)? Were you able to install the 2010.1?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Centos 4 installs and runs perfectly fine on a Pentium II 350Mhz with<br>
+128MB RAM, I know it because I installed such a box for a friend as home<br>
+server running 24/7 (with DNS server, apache and some other stuff).<br>
+I didn&#39;t try Mandriva since it lacks long term support.<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Centos4 IS NOT a modern distro. It is a LTS started in 2005 and so it maintains 2005&#39;s original skeleton of kernel, gcc, glibc and X. That&#39;s FIVE years old. As example MDV 2007.1, which is 3 years old, was still very usable and responsive on my P4/ATI (maybe not as much as stable with 3D acceleration), but 2010.0 ISN&#39;T.<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+&gt; Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware<br>
+&gt; like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or<br>
+&gt; desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled<br>
+&gt; carefully.<br>
+<br>
+</div>You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is<br>
+being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries.<br>
+Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs.<br></blockquote><div><br>I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+With regards to ISA cards, you can even still buy brand new modern mobos<br>
+with ISA slots right here in Europe, they are still common for<br>
+industrial uses:<br>
+<a href="http://www.spectra.de/produkte/114184/web/spectra/Datenblatt-PMB-601LF.pdf?CFID=92074854-8638-47f6-a589-6517cde18fb1&amp;CFTOKEN=0" target="_blank">http://www.spectra.de/produkte/114184/web/spectra/Datenblatt-PMB-601LF.pdf?CFID=92074854-8638-47f6-a589-6517cde18fb1&amp;CFTOKEN=0</a><br>
+</blockquote><div><br>Very interesting, but will such &quot;industrial use&quot; will be target for Mageia (BTW, certainly socket 775 CPU will support SSE and SSE2...)? If they have an ISA slot, I guess is for maintaning the compatibility with some old fancy (and maybe custom) card, certainly not for an ISA ethernet card that can be easily replaced with a cheap PCI one or the one on board.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not speaking about exclusion but about including or optimizing for arch<br>
+&gt; and hardware that NOBODY will use anymore, because can&#39;t.<br>
+<br>
+</div>The optimization you are talking about (which will increase<br>
+performance by a few percentage points at most, not noticeable at all<br>
+in practice) means that the distro will be unusable for others.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div> <br>Not exactly. I&#39;m not talking in just using -march=&lt;something&gt; but in also pushing -mfpmath=sse -msse (and maybe -msse2) , which should be much more than JUST 1-2% (1-2% is usually the benchmark tolerance)...Indeed the original idea was of having real .i586, .k6, .k7.rpm, .viac3, .viac7.rpm RPM packages, at least for the core ones: some time ago, when I was fighting with having a non-crashing kernel for the dedibox, I had started adding such &quot;dialects&quot; to the RPM macros (but problems were on the glibc package), but being realistic I think it&#39;s a lot of work and there aren&#39;t the resources, so a choice of the default flags should be done.<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, joris dedieu wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/26 Olivier Blin &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; Because there are some authentication and integrity issues which are not<br>
+&gt; &gt; simple to solve: we have to be sure that the binary packages really come<br>
+&gt; &gt; from the unmodified SRPM (so that it does not contains malware).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This can be avoid by<br>
+&gt; - building every package twice (also useful for integrity check)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Then you can still do it with two hosts adding malware instead of one.<br></blockquote><br>What this means? Two RPMs built at different time will result different, even the executable binaries when built on the same hardware at different time might be different (because of timestamps, etc.).<br>
+<br>IMHO the idea of the cloud is not that bad but need to be rethinked. I don&#39;t see so much flaws for security. If you inspire to what repsys is right now, the cloud would be like having several svn repositories mirrored around the world each one with a local iurt/repsys building system (it might be even partial, e.g. there could be BIG ones holding the whole svn|git tree, and smaller one holding just the latest release or the latest two releases, etc.). Each building system around the world will sign packages they build with their own signing keys and you know where they come from. And packages won&#39;t be resigned by a supposed master. Of course you have to trust their administrators, exactly like you right now have to trust single users submitting sources to the svn and bulding packages.<br>
+<br>The most difficult things IMHO would be building from the same syncronized data. In that case you might choose a master server and several mirrors. The master might have multiple internet access points (e.g. from two providers) and will be the only one who might receive svn commits. Or a model without a master, I guess inspiring to a model what UseNET is (was), I think a lot more complicate. But in that case you have two direction of feeding and if two libraries are submitted in different user in nearest time, you need a system to check for coerency and set alarms in some cases.<br>
+<br>IMHO one of the building problems was not massive automatic rebuilding but avoid bottenlecks to the users when building goes wrong.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, joris dedieu wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/26 Olivier Blin &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; Because there are some authentication and integrity issues which are not<br>
+&gt; &gt; simple to solve: we have to be sure that the binary packages really come<br>
+&gt; &gt; from the unmodified SRPM (so that it does not contains malware).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This can be avoid by<br>
+&gt; - building every package twice (also useful for integrity check)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Then you can still do it with two hosts adding malware instead of one.<br></blockquote><br>What this means? Two RPMs built at different time will result different, even the executable binaries when built on the same hardware at different time might be different (because of timestamps, etc.).<br>
+<br>IMHO the idea of the cloud is not that bad but need to be rethinked. I don&#39;t see so much flaws for security. If you inspire to what repsys is right now, the cloud would be like having several svn repositories mirrored around the world each one with a local iurt/repsys building system (it might be even partial, e.g. there could be BIG ones holding the whole svn|git tree, and smaller one holding just the latest release or the latest two releases, etc.). Each building system around the world will sign packages they build with their own signing keys and you know where they come from. And packages won&#39;t be resigned by a supposed master. Of course you have to trust their administrators, exactly like you right now have to trust single users submitting sources to the svn and bulding packages.<br>
+<br>The most difficult things IMHO would be building from the same syncronized data. In that case you might choose a master server and several mirrors. The master might have multiple internet access points (e.g. from two providers) and will be the only one who might receive svn commits. Or a model without a master, I guess inspiring to a model what UseNET is (was), I think a lot more complicate. But in that case you have two direction of feeding and if two libraries are submitted in different user in nearest time, you need a system to check for coerency and set alarms in some cases.<br>
+<br>IMHO one of the building problems was not massive automatic rebuilding but avoid bottenlecks to the users when building goes wrong.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div>
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+2010/9/26 andré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Thomas Backlund a écrit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 14:59:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/26 Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi" target="_blank">tmb@iki.fi</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi" target="_blank">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
+<br>
+    Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 02:09:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+        I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a<br>
+        firewall from<br>
+<br>
+        an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but<br>
+        often you<br>
+        can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much<br>
+        more than<br>
+        getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when<br>
+        soemone try<br>
+        such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will<br>
+        be very<br>
+        disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of<br>
+        oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+    You still miss the point that in Mageia community there are many<br>
+    users that find 30-50e a _lot_ of money, and we dont want to shut<br>
+    them out.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m not decreasing the value of the money, but rather I was pointing out<br>
+the false assumption that mageia (or the current inherited mandriva)<br>
+would work and would work FINE (or at all) on that hardware just because<br>
+it was using a compatible instruction set.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well, it depends of what you consider &quot;FINE&quot;.<br>
+I dont expect people using old hardware to try to get KDE or any 3d stuff to work &quot;FINE&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But we have lightweight platforms such as lxde and xfce that both works moderate/fast on a 200MHz+ platform with 128MB+ RAM.<br>
+<br>
+Then if you want it as a server, its even easier... you dont even need a DE/GUI, as it&#39;s manageable through console/shell.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I&#39;m not against this, but if<br>
+that we wanna support that kind of hardware there is MUCH MORE work to<br>
+do (I suggested a LEGACY section in the wiki, but seems it wasn&#39;t<br>
+caught) than just keeping the actual flags, because in that way if we<br>
+don&#39;t change then nobody will complain. Even the simple lzma payload of<br>
+rpm packages requires much more memory than in the past with gzip. I&#39;m<br>
+not sure with current squashfs for the initial ram disks.<br>
+<br>
+I already cited there are other distro which maybe do a lot better this<br>
+job. In many countries there isn&#39;t even the broadband, dialup, nor the<br>
+electrical power for them. Right now you are almost assuming that a 10<br>
+years old instruction set is still a no go, and that our distro is<br>
+optimized like the one of the One Laptop Per Child Project.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I know we dont optimize for OLPC.<br>
+<br>
+Yes, the instruction set is old, but there are many systems that are older. and even if the hw is newer, it still does not enforce full i686 spec, as seen for example with either missing CMOV or another broken register. Even Intel got it wrong with some series of the Pentium D wich didn&#39;t work with i686 series builds...<br>
+
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Sadly it<br>
+isn&#39;t. But there is also a 2nd point: on old hardware it is still<br>
+possible to run old software and old distros: strange but true. Such old<br>
+software is still doing its dirty job. It&#39;s not that you get a trojan as<br>
+soon as you put the nose out the net. There are still ways of<br>
+configuring a distro on a LAN and trust in the people using the<br>
+terminals locally. Many schools still use them. In a 2 hours lesson at<br>
+school you can&#39;t wait half an our just to have your desktop booting...,<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+It does not take half an hour if you use xfce/lxde.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+the same if you plan an antispam server with latest antispam tools on a<br>
+server of that category (server that was doing it&#39;s dirty job with the<br>
+distro of 2 or 3 generations ago).<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Oh, I know several servers out there running on i586 ~200Mhz that has no problem what so ever keeping up with the spam/av filtering.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I also tried such old hardware, but there are much less bloated distro<br>
+and less bloated kernels (even non-linux ones) that do the job (or a<br>
+specific duty) on such hardware a lot better than ours.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Maybe so, but does that mean we should force them to _not_ use Mageia ?<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Thomas<br>
+____<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+To cease support for i586 seems to me to be the height of arrogance.<br></blockquote><div><br>The height of arrogance? C&#39;mon you are seeing politics (like the apology the culture of the waste...or a reverse robin hood which stoles CPU cycles to poor CPU to give to rich ones) where there isn&#39;t.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+If new i586-level hardware can still be bought somewhere in the world, it is still current hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>Also i386 and i486 hardware can still bought somewhere (including ebay) and maybe one want to run. Why we don&#39;t lower to i386 compatatibility set instead of i586? IIRC the i586 origin was to give something more optimized than what was the average distro like RH. But maybe this could be changed.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+And look at how many 5-year-old, and even 10-year-old, cars are still in use.  Since cars have inherently a much shorter life, computers bought new 5 years ago, or even 10 years ago, should be still be considered current hardware.  It doesn&#39;t really matter if most users - </blockquote>
+<div><br>There are many places in the world where old cars can&#39;t circulate anymore or have restrictions in the zone where they are allowed to circulate (because of laws according to the engine classification they are on). Maybe it&#39;s a lobby of car vendors to sell new cars dunno. BTW, I&#39;ve an old car. But the car analogy is not appropriate because you can still use the car to reach a place at a certain average speed and with certain safety levels (e.g. is compliant against safety belts) not much different than the one of the latest shining EURO5 models  (also due to speed limits). Apart this, cars don&#39;t have a shorter life than PCs. While indeed I&#39;ve seen many motherboard and hard disks dying after a much shorter period of time (and repairing would cost much more than buying a new one). Surviving ones on a such long period of time were just very expensive one (at the time they were new) which had a very good maintenance. In percentage almost all the MSI motherboards died after 5-6 years (maybe after 2 or 3). Gigabyte were similar. ASUS had the lowest percentage of failure. Intel motherboard were too expensive to buy.<br>
+<br>Furthermore many new i586 solution are of much more elitism than newer hardware. A newer mini-itx with a VIA CPU doesn&#39;t cost less than an entry level CPU of AMD (which arrives at SSE4.1 or more SIMD set) and an all-in-one motherboard. And even hardware with some particular slot support (like ISA) doesn&#39;t costs less than one having just a PCI + PCIe slot.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">concentrated in the richer countries - have much more powerful hardware.  As has already been pointed out, there is 64-bit support, and a i686 compilation of the kernel to satisfy those with newer hardware that can&#39;t (32-bit processor or not enough memory) or prefer not to use the 64-bit compilations.<br>
+
+Note that the kernel is probably where most of the performance gains are to be made with i686, so dropping i586 in favour of i686 would give little in performance gains.<br>
+After all, don&#39;t we want almost everyone to be able to use Mageia ?<br></blockquote><div><br>Of course, but it&#39;s not a panacea that runs everywhere. My initial post was that we were still keeping a brake on and keeping compatibility for things that NOBODY will use or CAN&#39;T USE for technical reasons. NOBODY means ZERO, NICHT, NADA, NOTHING. If there is at least ONE, then it&#39;s not ZERO anymore.<br>
+<br>So my post was to keep a BETTER support for old and legacy hardware, not just CLAIM there is where INDEED there ISN&#39;T or there couldn&#39;t be (because for instance there isn&#39;t enough memory to run the installer) or that NOBODY has TESTED for several reasons.<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/26 andré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Thomas Backlund a écrit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 14:59:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/26 Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi" target="_blank">tmb@iki.fi</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi" target="_blank">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
+<br>
+    Giuseppe Ghibò skrev 26.9.2010 02:09:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+        I don&#39;t want to deprive the fun of building a router or a<br>
+        firewall from<br>
+<br>
+        an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but<br>
+        often you<br>
+        can&#39;t  (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much<br>
+        more than<br>
+        getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when<br>
+        soemone try<br>
+        such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will<br>
+        be very<br>
+        disappointed of failures. That&#39;s why I in some way asked a survey of<br>
+        oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+    You still miss the point that in Mageia community there are many<br>
+    users that find 30-50e a _lot_ of money, and we dont want to shut<br>
+    them out.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m not decreasing the value of the money, but rather I was pointing out<br>
+the false assumption that mageia (or the current inherited mandriva)<br>
+would work and would work FINE (or at all) on that hardware just because<br>
+it was using a compatible instruction set.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well, it depends of what you consider &quot;FINE&quot;.<br>
+I dont expect people using old hardware to try to get KDE or any 3d stuff to work &quot;FINE&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But we have lightweight platforms such as lxde and xfce that both works moderate/fast on a 200MHz+ platform with 128MB+ RAM.<br>
+<br>
+Then if you want it as a server, its even easier... you dont even need a DE/GUI, as it&#39;s manageable through console/shell.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I&#39;m not against this, but if<br>
+that we wanna support that kind of hardware there is MUCH MORE work to<br>
+do (I suggested a LEGACY section in the wiki, but seems it wasn&#39;t<br>
+caught) than just keeping the actual flags, because in that way if we<br>
+don&#39;t change then nobody will complain. Even the simple lzma payload of<br>
+rpm packages requires much more memory than in the past with gzip. I&#39;m<br>
+not sure with current squashfs for the initial ram disks.<br>
+<br>
+I already cited there are other distro which maybe do a lot better this<br>
+job. In many countries there isn&#39;t even the broadband, dialup, nor the<br>
+electrical power for them. Right now you are almost assuming that a 10<br>
+years old instruction set is still a no go, and that our distro is<br>
+optimized like the one of the One Laptop Per Child Project.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I know we dont optimize for OLPC.<br>
+<br>
+Yes, the instruction set is old, but there are many systems that are older. and even if the hw is newer, it still does not enforce full i686 spec, as seen for example with either missing CMOV or another broken register. Even Intel got it wrong with some series of the Pentium D wich didn&#39;t work with i686 series builds...<br>
+
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Sadly it<br>
+isn&#39;t. But there is also a 2nd point: on old hardware it is still<br>
+possible to run old software and old distros: strange but true. Such old<br>
+software is still doing its dirty job. It&#39;s not that you get a trojan as<br>
+soon as you put the nose out the net. There are still ways of<br>
+configuring a distro on a LAN and trust in the people using the<br>
+terminals locally. Many schools still use them. In a 2 hours lesson at<br>
+school you can&#39;t wait half an our just to have your desktop booting...,<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+It does not take half an hour if you use xfce/lxde.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+the same if you plan an antispam server with latest antispam tools on a<br>
+server of that category (server that was doing it&#39;s dirty job with the<br>
+distro of 2 or 3 generations ago).<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Oh, I know several servers out there running on i586 ~200Mhz that has no problem what so ever keeping up with the spam/av filtering.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I also tried such old hardware, but there are much less bloated distro<br>
+and less bloated kernels (even non-linux ones) that do the job (or a<br>
+specific duty) on such hardware a lot better than ours.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Maybe so, but does that mean we should force them to _not_ use Mageia ?<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Thomas<br>
+____<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+To cease support for i586 seems to me to be the height of arrogance.<br></blockquote><div><br>The height of arrogance? C&#39;mon you are seeing politics (like the apology the culture of the waste...or a reverse robin hood which stoles CPU cycles to poor CPU to give to rich ones) where there isn&#39;t.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+If new i586-level hardware can still be bought somewhere in the world, it is still current hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>Also i386 and i486 hardware can still bought somewhere (including ebay) and maybe one want to run. Why we don&#39;t lower to i386 compatatibility set instead of i586? IIRC the i586 origin was to give something more optimized than what was the average distro like RH. But maybe this could be changed.<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+And look at how many 5-year-old, and even 10-year-old, cars are still in use.  Since cars have inherently a much shorter life, computers bought new 5 years ago, or even 10 years ago, should be still be considered current hardware.  It doesn&#39;t really matter if most users - </blockquote>
+<div><br>There are many places in the world where old cars can&#39;t circulate anymore or have restrictions in the zone where they are allowed to circulate (because of laws according to the engine classification they are on). Maybe it&#39;s a lobby of car vendors to sell new cars dunno. BTW, I&#39;ve an old car. But the car analogy is not appropriate because you can still use the car to reach a place at a certain average speed and with certain safety levels (e.g. is compliant against safety belts) not much different than the one of the latest shining EURO5 models  (also due to speed limits). Apart this, cars don&#39;t have a shorter life than PCs. While indeed I&#39;ve seen many motherboard and hard disks dying after a much shorter period of time (and repairing would cost much more than buying a new one). Surviving ones on a such long period of time were just very expensive one (at the time they were new) which had a very good maintenance. In percentage almost all the MSI motherboards died after 5-6 years (maybe after 2 or 3). Gigabyte were similar. ASUS had the lowest percentage of failure. Intel motherboard were too expensive to buy.<br>
+<br>Furthermore many new i586 solution are of much more elitism than newer hardware. A newer mini-itx with a VIA CPU doesn&#39;t cost less than an entry level CPU of AMD (which arrives at SSE4.1 or more SIMD set) and an all-in-one motherboard. And even hardware with some particular slot support (like ISA) doesn&#39;t costs less than one having just a PCI + PCIe slot.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">concentrated in the richer countries - have much more powerful hardware.  As has already been pointed out, there is 64-bit support, and a i686 compilation of the kernel to satisfy those with newer hardware that can&#39;t (32-bit processor or not enough memory) or prefer not to use the 64-bit compilations.<br>
+
+Note that the kernel is probably where most of the performance gains are to be made with i686, so dropping i586 in favour of i686 would give little in performance gains.<br>
+After all, don&#39;t we want almost everyone to be able to use Mageia ?<br></blockquote><div><br>Of course, but it&#39;s not a panacea that runs everywhere. My initial post was that we were still keeping a brake on and keeping compatibility for things that NOBODY will use or CAN&#39;T USE for technical reasons. NOBODY means ZERO, NICHT, NADA, NOTHING. If there is at least ONE, then it&#39;s not ZERO anymore.<br>
+<br>So my post was to keep a BETTER support for old and legacy hardware, not just CLAIM there is where INDEED there ISN&#39;T or there couldn&#39;t be (because for instance there isn&#39;t enough memory to run the installer) or that NOBODY has TESTED for several reasons.<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+I would love a server concept too and I have some ideas that could be very interresting for the community using mageia as server.<br><br>If a server team should start, please count me in.<br><br>greetings from Belgium, Sascha<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:samuel.verschelde@pmsipilot.com">samuel.verschelde@pmsipilot.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 09:42:12, Bersuit Vera a écrit :<br>
+&gt;  Hi<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m also very interested in Server packages. ¿Did anyone speak with Oden?<br>
+&gt; Mandríva server packages has always been very stable. In my opinion mageia<br>
+&gt; should mantain and boost this line.<br>
+&gt; Mageia must be a great server distro<br>
+&gt; For server packager/tester/bug reporting team, count me in!<br>
+&gt; Bersuit.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/20 Gergely Lónyai &lt;<a href="mailto:gergely@lonyai.com">gergely@lonyai.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Have we got a conception to server packages? I have some server and my<br>
+&gt; &gt; work required me to package/recompile some server related package<br>
+&gt; &gt; I torn between Mageia and Mandriva:<br>
+&gt; &gt;  - I don&#39;t know what does the mandriva (the official new is in France<br>
+&gt; &gt; lang), but they want to do strong the server side, and most friend came<br>
+&gt; &gt; here.<br>
+&gt; &gt;  - If the Mageia fork the server side (without Oden) with a right<br>
+&gt; &gt; conception then I connect this community.<br>
+&gt; &gt; If the quality don&#39;t guaranteed then I need stand to Mandriva (or<br>
+&gt; &gt; CentOS).<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Let&#39;s go:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Aleph<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Server packages are also important for me, I really hope there will be a team of contributors around this.<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<br>
+Samuel<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+I would love a server concept too and I have some ideas that could be very interresting for the community using mageia as server.<br><br>If a server team should start, please count me in.<br><br>greetings from Belgium, Sascha<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:samuel.verschelde@pmsipilot.com">samuel.verschelde@pmsipilot.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 09:42:12, Bersuit Vera a écrit :<br>
+&gt;  Hi<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m also very interested in Server packages. ¿Did anyone speak with Oden?<br>
+&gt; Mandríva server packages has always been very stable. In my opinion mageia<br>
+&gt; should mantain and boost this line.<br>
+&gt; Mageia must be a great server distro<br>
+&gt; For server packager/tester/bug reporting team, count me in!<br>
+&gt; Bersuit.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/20 Gergely Lónyai &lt;<a href="mailto:gergely@lonyai.com">gergely@lonyai.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Have we got a conception to server packages? I have some server and my<br>
+&gt; &gt; work required me to package/recompile some server related package<br>
+&gt; &gt; I torn between Mageia and Mandriva:<br>
+&gt; &gt;  - I don&#39;t know what does the mandriva (the official new is in France<br>
+&gt; &gt; lang), but they want to do strong the server side, and most friend came<br>
+&gt; &gt; here.<br>
+&gt; &gt;  - If the Mageia fork the server side (without Oden) with a right<br>
+&gt; &gt; conception then I connect this community.<br>
+&gt; &gt; If the quality don&#39;t guaranteed then I need stand to Mandriva (or<br>
+&gt; &gt; CentOS).<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Let&#39;s go:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Aleph<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Server packages are also important for me, I really hope there will be a team of contributors around this.<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<br>
+Samuel<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 Giuseppe Ghibò <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ghibomgx@gmail.com">ghibomgx@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org" target="_blank">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span><div class="im"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div>On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, joris dedieu wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/26 Olivier Blin &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org" target="_blank">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+</div><div>&gt; &gt; Because there are some authentication and integrity issues which are not<br>
+&gt; &gt; simple to solve: we have to be sure that the binary packages really come<br>
+&gt; &gt; from the unmodified SRPM (so that it does not contains malware).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This can be avoid by<br>
+&gt; - building every package twice (also useful for integrity check)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Then you can still do it with two hosts adding malware instead of one.<br></blockquote><br></div>What this means? Two RPMs built at different time will result different, even the executable binaries when built on the same hardware at different time might be different (because of timestamps, etc.).<br>
+
+<br>IMHO the idea of the cloud is not that bad but need to be rethinked.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What about virtualization?</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe we could set-up some kind of cluster of remote and dedicated vm&#39;s as a unique build system. Could be a good workaround over security and integrity issues, &#39;cause we are using a &quot;single&quot; build system.</div>
+<div><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 Giuseppe Ghibò <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ghibomgx@gmail.com">ghibomgx@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org" target="_blank">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span><div class="im"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div>On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, joris dedieu wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/26 Olivier Blin &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org" target="_blank">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+</div><div>&gt; &gt; Because there are some authentication and integrity issues which are not<br>
+&gt; &gt; simple to solve: we have to be sure that the binary packages really come<br>
+&gt; &gt; from the unmodified SRPM (so that it does not contains malware).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This can be avoid by<br>
+&gt; - building every package twice (also useful for integrity check)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Then you can still do it with two hosts adding malware instead of one.<br></blockquote><br></div>What this means? Two RPMs built at different time will result different, even the executable binaries when built on the same hardware at different time might be different (because of timestamps, etc.).<br>
+
+<br>IMHO the idea of the cloud is not that bad but need to be rethinked.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What about virtualization?</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe we could set-up some kind of cluster of remote and dedicated vm&#39;s as a unique build system. Could be a good workaround over security and integrity issues, &#39;cause we are using a &quot;single&quot; build system.</div>
+<div><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/27 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 27 September 2010 20:36, R James &lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Even the original Mandrake of 1998 was compiled for i586 (Pentium<br>
+&gt; Classic or newer)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Wrong!<br>
+Original mandriva was compiled i386. It was when we &quot;merged&quot; with<br></blockquote><div><br>the original mandrake has even the same binary package (not recompiled) of the RH.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+berolinux we targeted the i586 (spring 1999).<br>
+Using an experimental compiler (egcs).<br>
+At -O6.<br></blockquote><div><br>Wrong too! :-) It was not egcs, but pgcc (not the portland compiler) a special version of gcc...<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+All of this landed in version 6.0 with the new glibc-2.1 and the new kernel-2.2.<br>
+That was the distro where we defaulted to using udma.<br>
+On all hard disks. Even those who didn&#39;t supported.<br></blockquote><div><br>yep pre-pre-pre kernels...<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Ah, me remembering the glorious days of mdk6.1 with chmouel chasing a<br>
+critical kernel memory leak just days before the release.<br>
+Hopefully Alan Cox saved us.<br>
+That was a beautiful year :-)<br><br></blockquote><div><br>Good old times...<br><br>:-)<br><br></div></div>
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+2010/9/27 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 27 September 2010 20:36, R James &lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Even the original Mandrake of 1998 was compiled for i586 (Pentium<br>
+&gt; Classic or newer)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Wrong!<br>
+Original mandriva was compiled i386. It was when we &quot;merged&quot; with<br></blockquote><div><br>the original mandrake has even the same binary package (not recompiled) of the RH.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+berolinux we targeted the i586 (spring 1999).<br>
+Using an experimental compiler (egcs).<br>
+At -O6.<br></blockquote><div><br>Wrong too! :-) It was not egcs, but pgcc (not the portland compiler) a special version of gcc...<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+All of this landed in version 6.0 with the new glibc-2.1 and the new kernel-2.2.<br>
+That was the distro where we defaulted to using udma.<br>
+On all hard disks. Even those who didn&#39;t supported.<br></blockquote><div><br>yep pre-pre-pre kernels...<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Ah, me remembering the glorious days of mdk6.1 with chmouel chasing a<br>
+critical kernel memory leak just days before the release.<br>
+Hopefully Alan Cox saved us.<br>
+That was a beautiful year :-)<br><br></blockquote><div><br>Good old times...<br><br>:-)<br><br></div></div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 27 septembre 2010, Colin Guthrie a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 'Twas brillig, and JPB at 27/09/10 14:04 did gyre and gimble:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Just one simple but important question:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Will Mageia provide a upgrade path for MDV users ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Just answer, yes, no , too early not yet decided.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I believe that is the intention at present, yes.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I certainly hope so considering I have several machines to upgrade in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; this way!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It shouldn't really be any harder than upgrading from one Mandriva</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; version to another.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Col</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks Col and Ahmad; just what I wanted to hear ;)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As we say in french &quot;bon courage&quot; to all the devs/core team.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 27 septembre 2010, Colin Guthrie a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 'Twas brillig, and JPB at 27/09/10 14:04 did gyre and gimble:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Just one simple but important question:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Will Mageia provide a upgrade path for MDV users ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Just answer, yes, no , too early not yet decided.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I believe that is the intention at present, yes.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I certainly hope so considering I have several machines to upgrade in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; this way!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It shouldn't really be any harder than upgrading from one Mandriva</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; version to another.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Col</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks Col and Ahmad; just what I wanted to hear ;)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As we say in french &quot;bon courage&quot; to all the devs/core team.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
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+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">ennael !!! </font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">We can open a new &quot;server area&quot; in the wiki ?</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
+</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Bersuit.<br></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Sinner from the Prairy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">To: Sascha Schneider , Samuel Verschelde,  Bersuit Vera<br>
+<br>
+Why don&#39;t you guys take initiative and start a &quot;server area&quot; on Mageia&#39;s Wiki?<br>
+<br>
+Maybe with the help of ennael (Anne)<br>
+<br>
+Salut,<br>
+Sinner<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -<br>
+<a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/" target="_blank">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a><br>
+Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:  <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Bersuit.<br></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Sinner from the Prairy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">To: Sascha Schneider , Samuel Verschelde,  Bersuit Vera<br>
+<br>
+Why don&#39;t you guys take initiative and start a &quot;server area&quot; on Mageia&#39;s Wiki?<br>
+<br>
+Maybe with the help of ennael (Anne)<br>
+<br>
+Salut,<br>
+Sinner<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -<br>
+<a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/" target="_blank">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a><br>
+Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:  <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Just one simple but important question:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Will  Mageia provide a upgrade path for MDV users ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Just answer, yes, no , too early not yet decided.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">TIA</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Just one simple but important question:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Will  Mageia provide a upgrade path for MDV users ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Just answer, yes, no , too early not yet decided.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">TIA</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:04 PM, JPB <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jpierre.benoit@free.fr">jpierre.benoit@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div style="font-family: &#39;Serif&#39;; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal;">
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Just one simple but important question:</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Will  Mageia provide a upgrade path for MDV users ?</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Just answer, yes, no , too early not yet decided.</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">TIA</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">JPB</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"> </p></div><br></blockquote></div><br>This is something I wonder. At least the first release should be nice to upgrade.<br>I have a smale home server, but I hate to re-install it again.<br>
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+
+<div style="font-family: &#39;Serif&#39;; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal;">
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Just one simple but important question:</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Will  Mageia provide a upgrade path for MDV users ?</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Just answer, yes, no , too early not yet decided.</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">TIA</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">JPB</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"> </p></div><br></blockquote></div><br>This is something I wonder. At least the first release should be nice to upgrade.<br>I have a smale home server, but I hate to re-install it again.<br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 27 septembre 2010, Michael Scherer a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le lundi 27 septembre 2010 à 16:16 +0100, Maurice Batey a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:15:27 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I believe that is the intention at present, yes.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  Sounds rather ambitious to start off with.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; We already did it for Mandriva, so I do not see where it is ambitious.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ( thing were not perfect, but it worked quite well for me ).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In addition i would say, let's do it now when we are not very &quot;far&quot; from the original, and after a few releases we may diverge by adding our own bells and whistles; and at that time we may forget the upgrade path (or not) .</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 27 septembre 2010, Michael Scherer a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le lundi 27 septembre 2010 à 16:16 +0100, Maurice Batey a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:15:27 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I believe that is the intention at present, yes.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  Sounds rather ambitious to start off with.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; We already did it for Mandriva, so I do not see where it is ambitious.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ( thing were not perfect, but it worked quite well for me ).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In addition i would say, let's do it now when we are not very &quot;far&quot; from the original, and after a few releases we may diverge by adding our own bells and whistles; and at that time we may forget the upgrade path (or not) .</p>
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+<br>2010/9/27 herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 18:32 -0700, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Giuseppe Ghibò wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; IMHO one of the building problems was not massive automatic rebuilding<br>
+&gt; &gt; but avoid bottenlecks to the users when building goes wrong.<br>
+&gt; I really like the concept of a distributed build system.<br>
+<br>
+</div>The problem with a distributed system is the enormous increase in<br>
+complexity.  As long as a single big server with about 24 cores can<br>
+compile the lot in one day, then a distributed system is not really<br>
+needed.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I agree there would be an ENORMOUS increase in complexity, but you are forgetting that first 24 cores someone cited were not 24 cores, but a dual exacore machine (I guess a dual Xeon 5650) so 12 core with hyperthreads, which is not exactly the same as 24 native core. Such core with 12GB of memory are just &quot;peanuts&quot; in an environment with plenty of developers. Half of that machine (e.g. with a core i7 985X, or AMD 1055T) is actually a medium/top PC which you can build in your home.<br>
+<br>So you have to distinguish automatic rebuilding of the distro, which operates on &quot;working&quot; packages from the svn, from new packages built from the first time. The first task of a massive rebuilding is a automated task which can be done sequentially (but 1 day is only for the main, then there is contrib, then you have 2 archs, 32 and 64bits, and backports); the second task instead has a lot of stop and go. If for instance a build goes wrong because a packager couldn&#39;t test a parallel build in his own development machine (or because the number of cores is different and you get race conditions problems), and have to redo the work, but in the meanwhile the building system is busy, or has other kind of problems (wait for library to propagate, etc.), then he have to spend a lot of time fighting against the system and babysitting a package, rather than concentrate on packaging or developing. And for sure he would fly away (packagers are not of iron with infinite patience).<br>
+<br>Also consider that the phase of LZMA compression of the RPM building won&#39;t operate in parallel.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+<br>2010/9/27 herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 18:32 -0700, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Giuseppe Ghibò wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; IMHO one of the building problems was not massive automatic rebuilding<br>
+&gt; &gt; but avoid bottenlecks to the users when building goes wrong.<br>
+&gt; I really like the concept of a distributed build system.<br>
+<br>
+</div>The problem with a distributed system is the enormous increase in<br>
+complexity.  As long as a single big server with about 24 cores can<br>
+compile the lot in one day, then a distributed system is not really<br>
+needed.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I agree there would be an ENORMOUS increase in complexity, but you are forgetting that first 24 cores someone cited were not 24 cores, but a dual exacore machine (I guess a dual Xeon 5650) so 12 core with hyperthreads, which is not exactly the same as 24 native core. Such core with 12GB of memory are just &quot;peanuts&quot; in an environment with plenty of developers. Half of that machine (e.g. with a core i7 985X, or AMD 1055T) is actually a medium/top PC which you can build in your home.<br>
+<br>So you have to distinguish automatic rebuilding of the distro, which operates on &quot;working&quot; packages from the svn, from new packages built from the first time. The first task of a massive rebuilding is a automated task which can be done sequentially (but 1 day is only for the main, then there is contrib, then you have 2 archs, 32 and 64bits, and backports); the second task instead has a lot of stop and go. If for instance a build goes wrong because a packager couldn&#39;t test a parallel build in his own development machine (or because the number of cores is different and you get race conditions problems), and have to redo the work, but in the meanwhile the building system is busy, or has other kind of problems (wait for library to propagate, etc.), then he have to spend a lot of time fighting against the system and babysitting a package, rather than concentrate on packaging or developing. And for sure he would fly away (packagers are not of iron with infinite patience).<br>
+<br>Also consider that the phase of LZMA compression of the RPM building won&#39;t operate in parallel.<br><br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le lundi 27 septembre 2010 à 03:19 +0200, vfmBOFH a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; What about virtualization?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe we could set-up some kind of cluster of remote and dedicated<br>
+&gt; vm&#39;s as a<br>
+&gt; unique build system. Could be a good workaround over security and<br>
+&gt; integrity issues, &#39;cause we are using a &quot;single&quot; build system.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, how do you garantee that the person who have physical access do<br>
+not mess with the vm image ?<br>
+<br>
+Look at libvirt developers blog ( <a href="http://rwmj.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://rwmj.wordpress.com/</a> ) to see<br>
+how easy it can be to externally mess with a virtual instance if you are<br>
+root on the host computer.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>The only way of doing this is NOT letting anyone packaging or uploading a tarball. Just have two different building system. One &quot;secure&quot; and the other of contributors (not unsecure, but with less checking). The secure one would download the tarball automatically from the original repositories:<br>
+<br>e.g.: suppose there is a package SPEC file containing:<br><br>Source: <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.xz">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.xz</a><br>Source1: <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5.1.tar.sig">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5.1.tar.sig</a><br>
+<br>An automatic system would try to retrieve from the <a href="http://blabla.com/">http://blabla.com/</a> site the packages<br><a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.xz">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.xz</a>, or if not exists <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.bz2">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.bz2</a> or <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.gz">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.gz</a> or <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar</a>. Then would retrieve the signature <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5.1.tar.sig">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5.1.tar.sig</a> and would check with the one from the Database of signatures which has been already populated on the secure system. If the signatures checking would match, then tarball would be uploaded to the &quot;secure&quot; system svn and used for building instead of the one from the contributor/package maintainer.<br>
+<br>[Of course the system would fail if the package maintainer has downloaded the source tarball from the svn and not from a canonical repository, and to be further secure this system would require also signing of Patches].<br>
+<br>Bye.<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le lundi 27 septembre 2010 à 03:19 +0200, vfmBOFH a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; What about virtualization?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe we could set-up some kind of cluster of remote and dedicated<br>
+&gt; vm&#39;s as a<br>
+&gt; unique build system. Could be a good workaround over security and<br>
+&gt; integrity issues, &#39;cause we are using a &quot;single&quot; build system.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, how do you garantee that the person who have physical access do<br>
+not mess with the vm image ?<br>
+<br>
+Look at libvirt developers blog ( <a href="http://rwmj.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://rwmj.wordpress.com/</a> ) to see<br>
+how easy it can be to externally mess with a virtual instance if you are<br>
+root on the host computer.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>The only way of doing this is NOT letting anyone packaging or uploading a tarball. Just have two different building system. One &quot;secure&quot; and the other of contributors (not unsecure, but with less checking). The secure one would download the tarball automatically from the original repositories:<br>
+<br>e.g.: suppose there is a package SPEC file containing:<br><br>Source: <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.xz">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.xz</a><br>Source1: <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5.1.tar.sig">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5.1.tar.sig</a><br>
+<br>An automatic system would try to retrieve from the <a href="http://blabla.com/">http://blabla.com/</a> site the packages<br><a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.xz">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.xz</a>, or if not exists <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.bz2">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.bz2</a> or <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.gz">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar.gz</a> or <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5-1.tar</a>. Then would retrieve the signature <a href="http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5.1.tar.sig">http://blabla.com/openssh-5.5.1.tar.sig</a> and would check with the one from the Database of signatures which has been already populated on the secure system. If the signatures checking would match, then tarball would be uploaded to the &quot;secure&quot; system svn and used for building instead of the one from the contributor/package maintainer.<br>
+<br>[Of course the system would fail if the package maintainer has downloaded the source tarball from the svn and not from a canonical repository, and to be further secure this system would require also signing of Patches].<br>
+<br>Bye.<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+Le 27/09/2010 10:02, Romain d'Alverny a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTinN0Z63ixrr6XvpryQzFPsDXXt098xqMRXNPcdB@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">Hi,
+
+On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 08:19, Tux99 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">&lt;tux99-mga@uridium.org&gt;</a> wrote:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">
+I did a quick comparison of the most common forum software packages
+(both commercial and FOSS) from a vulnerability point of view.
+
+I'm subscribed to the well known (every sysadmin that takes his/her job
+seriously is subscribed to it) weekly SANS "@RISK: The Consensus
+Security Alert" newsletter since 2000, so I have an mbox archive file
+that contains almost 11 years worth of weekly alerts of software
+vulnerabilities.
+
+A quick an easy way that I have used before to assess the vulnerability
+of any software is to do a simple grep of the software name in this mbox
+file and count the times that software gets mentioned. While this is not
+100% scientific it gives a good approximation of the amount of
+vulnerabilities a particular software has suffered from.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap="">
+Indeed. It's interesting. But ranking only by the disclosed number of
+vulnerabilities in the past does not assess what will be in the
+future. It's not enough.
+
+What would be an additional important figure is, how long has it been
+for each vulnerability to be fixed; how many users each has had, etc.
+
+Plus, what type of vulnerability. Plus, for what branch of the
+software (I guess, for instance, phpBB 2.x and 3.x are a bit
+different).
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+phpbb2 and phpbb3 share very few lines of code afaik<br>
+<br>
+And statistics are enough to explain :<br>
+<br>
+phpBB2: 38 advisories (27 vuln) 0% unpatched<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/463/">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/463/</a><br>
+<br>
+9% highly critical, 34% moderate, 49% low, 9% not<br>
+<br>
+phpBB2 is/was a well known security nightmare :o)<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+fudForum: 2 advisories (2 vuln) 0% unpatched<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/5530/">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/5530/</a><br>
+<br>
+50% highly critical, 50% moderate<br>
+<br>
+The critical one allowing system access :o)<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+phpBB3: 4 advisories (5 vuln) 0% unpatched<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/17998/">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/17998/</a><br>
+<br>
+0% highly critical, 25 % moderate, 75% low<br>
+<br>
+---- <br>
+<br>
+I crearly consider phpBB3 not less secure than fudForum can be :)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTinN0Z63ixrr6XvpryQzFPsDXXt098xqMRXNPcdB@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">What we do need is a forum that matches our needs; actually pretty
+basic, but maybe for having good admin features, excellent
+hackability, extensability, being well documented, having a nice
+community of developers around it. And, provided we're in the free
+software thing, we want to be able to share changes as well (would it
+be only through our own community) without worrying.
+
+So, requirement #1: open source license (as in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opensource.org/">http://opensource.org/</a> ).
+
+[...]
+
+Romain
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+when it comes to forum engine choice there are many things important to
+consider (in particular if we are optimistic enough to consider it
+could grow with Mageia future success).<br>
+<br>
+Security is one of them.<br>
+<br>
+If the forum is supposed to grow we must have something properly
+working under rather high load... than can involve a separate server
+for database (or even something stronger) that can also involve a forum
+engine that proved it's ability to survive high loads (and the biggest
+in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.big-boards.com">http://www.big-boards.com</a> runs phpBB3).<br>
+<br>
+Very *very* important if we want to be able to deal with trolls and
+forum users experience : we must have moderation needs being well
+addressed (global topic management with topics splitting and merging,
+easy messages management (editing, suppressing, moving... hiding ?),
+easy user management including things like temporary moderation of
+messages to calm down trolls and other useful thing like detection of
+multiple accounts creation, temporary or definitive <span
+ id="result_box" class="short_text"><span
+ style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
+ title="">banishment, ability to give extended rights to "special"
+people (dev, bug squad, doc writers, </span></span>technical support...)<br>
+<br>
+If we want to provide a good user experience we must have something
+that provide a templating system easy to understand and to play with.<br>
+<br>
+Then there are administration features (bot management, forum
+structure, fine grained access control and tuning)<br>
+<br>
+And obviously hackability is important to allow things like SSO and
+other cool things (perhaps nice RSS features ? Mailing Lists connection
+? Button available to Technical support team and moderators allowing to
+send an alert on Cauldron list if a post can be interresting for devs ?
+Bugzilla connection ?)<br>
+<br>
+Something very secure that cannot do the job or that will make
+moderators life a hell and user experience a pain is not the ideal
+forum engine imho<br>
+<br>
+All this parameters (and others less important) need to be taken in
+account and the first people whom i would listen to are future
+administrators and moderators... because they will suffer with it every
+day... and beacause the quality of their work and attitude toward forum
+users will be the first thing likely to attract people and give a good
+reputation to Mageia community :)<br>
+<br>
+my2cents<br>
+<br>
+Ma&acirc;t<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+Le 27/09/2010 10:02, Romain d'Alverny a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTinN0Z63ixrr6XvpryQzFPsDXXt098xqMRXNPcdB@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">Hi,
+
+On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 08:19, Tux99 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">&lt;tux99-mga@uridium.org&gt;</a> wrote:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">
+I did a quick comparison of the most common forum software packages
+(both commercial and FOSS) from a vulnerability point of view.
+
+I'm subscribed to the well known (every sysadmin that takes his/her job
+seriously is subscribed to it) weekly SANS "@RISK: The Consensus
+Security Alert" newsletter since 2000, so I have an mbox archive file
+that contains almost 11 years worth of weekly alerts of software
+vulnerabilities.
+
+A quick an easy way that I have used before to assess the vulnerability
+of any software is to do a simple grep of the software name in this mbox
+file and count the times that software gets mentioned. While this is not
+100% scientific it gives a good approximation of the amount of
+vulnerabilities a particular software has suffered from.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap="">
+Indeed. It's interesting. But ranking only by the disclosed number of
+vulnerabilities in the past does not assess what will be in the
+future. It's not enough.
+
+What would be an additional important figure is, how long has it been
+for each vulnerability to be fixed; how many users each has had, etc.
+
+Plus, what type of vulnerability. Plus, for what branch of the
+software (I guess, for instance, phpBB 2.x and 3.x are a bit
+different).
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+phpbb2 and phpbb3 share very few lines of code afaik<br>
+<br>
+And statistics are enough to explain :<br>
+<br>
+phpBB2: 38 advisories (27 vuln) 0% unpatched<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/463/">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/463/</a><br>
+<br>
+9% highly critical, 34% moderate, 49% low, 9% not<br>
+<br>
+phpBB2 is/was a well known security nightmare :o)<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+fudForum: 2 advisories (2 vuln) 0% unpatched<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/5530/">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/5530/</a><br>
+<br>
+50% highly critical, 50% moderate<br>
+<br>
+The critical one allowing system access :o)<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+phpBB3: 4 advisories (5 vuln) 0% unpatched<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/17998/">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/17998/</a><br>
+<br>
+0% highly critical, 25 % moderate, 75% low<br>
+<br>
+---- <br>
+<br>
+I crearly consider phpBB3 not less secure than fudForum can be :)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTinN0Z63ixrr6XvpryQzFPsDXXt098xqMRXNPcdB@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">What we do need is a forum that matches our needs; actually pretty
+basic, but maybe for having good admin features, excellent
+hackability, extensability, being well documented, having a nice
+community of developers around it. And, provided we're in the free
+software thing, we want to be able to share changes as well (would it
+be only through our own community) without worrying.
+
+So, requirement #1: open source license (as in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opensource.org/">http://opensource.org/</a> ).
+
+[...]
+
+Romain
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+when it comes to forum engine choice there are many things important to
+consider (in particular if we are optimistic enough to consider it
+could grow with Mageia future success).<br>
+<br>
+Security is one of them.<br>
+<br>
+If the forum is supposed to grow we must have something properly
+working under rather high load... than can involve a separate server
+for database (or even something stronger) that can also involve a forum
+engine that proved it's ability to survive high loads (and the biggest
+in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.big-boards.com">http://www.big-boards.com</a> runs phpBB3).<br>
+<br>
+Very *very* important if we want to be able to deal with trolls and
+forum users experience : we must have moderation needs being well
+addressed (global topic management with topics splitting and merging,
+easy messages management (editing, suppressing, moving... hiding ?),
+easy user management including things like temporary moderation of
+messages to calm down trolls and other useful thing like detection of
+multiple accounts creation, temporary or definitive <span
+ id="result_box" class="short_text"><span
+ style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
+ title="">banishment, ability to give extended rights to "special"
+people (dev, bug squad, doc writers, </span></span>technical support...)<br>
+<br>
+If we want to provide a good user experience we must have something
+that provide a templating system easy to understand and to play with.<br>
+<br>
+Then there are administration features (bot management, forum
+structure, fine grained access control and tuning)<br>
+<br>
+And obviously hackability is important to allow things like SSO and
+other cool things (perhaps nice RSS features ? Mailing Lists connection
+? Button available to Technical support team and moderators allowing to
+send an alert on Cauldron list if a post can be interresting for devs ?
+Bugzilla connection ?)<br>
+<br>
+Something very secure that cannot do the job or that will make
+moderators life a hell and user experience a pain is not the ideal
+forum engine imho<br>
+<br>
+All this parameters (and others less important) need to be taken in
+account and the first people whom i would listen to are future
+administrators and moderators... because they will suffer with it every
+day... and beacause the quality of their work and attitude toward forum
+users will be the first thing likely to attract people and give a good
+reputation to Mageia community :)<br>
+<br>
+my2cents<br>
+<br>
+Ma&acirc;t<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 27 septembre 2010, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Actually drakx has the infrastucture in place in order to upgrade</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; another distro (eg: connectiva, older fedora)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thank you very much, Thierry. I didn't know that.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+1</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks one more time.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 27 septembre 2010, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Actually drakx has the infrastucture in place in order to upgrade</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; another distro (eg: connectiva, older fedora)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thank you very much, Thierry. I didn't know that.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+1</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks one more time.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p></body></html>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Ok, you are doing something, but the community around just see you guys talking and talking, sorry if this offned you, but me and other gauys really want to help you with the jobs.<br><br><br>Regardas,<br>Matheus<br><br></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Ok, you are doing something, but the community around just see you guys talking and talking, sorry if this offned you, but me and other gauys really want to help you with the jobs.<br><br><br>Regardas,<br>Matheus<br><br></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Sorry but, how much time we will still taken to discuss this things and dont do just nothing? I propose to we chose a manager for the project right now.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Matheus<br><br></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Sorry but, how much time we will still taken to discuss this things and dont do just nothing? I propose to we chose a manager for the project right now.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Matheus<br><br></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mardi 28 septembre 2010, nicolas vigier a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's understandable that people are impatient to know more about</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; organisation, how to participate and work on the project, but first</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; everything needs to be setup properly. Please be patient.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Nicolas</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, core team, take the time to setup a strong  basis on top of which we can build a good distribution.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As far as I know there is no such thing like a deadline now; only a lot of people impatient to contribute ;)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mardi 28 septembre 2010, nicolas vigier a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's understandable that people are impatient to know more about</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; organisation, how to participate and work on the project, but first</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; everything needs to be setup properly. Please be patient.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Nicolas</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, core team, take the time to setup a strong  basis on top of which we can build a good distribution.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As far as I know there is no such thing like a deadline now; only a lot of people impatient to contribute ;)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p></body></html>
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+Andre,<div><br></div><div>This a great idea. </div><div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Andre Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">We know that many Windows users refuse to migrate to GNU / Linux because of the<br>
+differences between these two environments. A critical point is the difference<br>
+between the programs used to perform common tasks.<br>
+<br>
+Thinking about it, I had the idea of creating a Mageia Welcome Center. What is<br>
+this? Basically, when Mageia is installed and user will do his first login - or<br>
+when a new user is created and will do your first login, after loading the<br>
+desktop environment, a window like the one I drew below will appear:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png" target="_blank">http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png</a><br>
+<br>
+This is a simple idea: this window will show friendly descriptions to commom<br>
+tasks besides icons of programs used to perform them. So the user will associate<br>
+the program that needs to use the task that needs doing. When user clicks icon<br>
+or text, the associated program will be launched.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, future we can disable the icons of programs that are not installed or<br>
+provide a way to add more options.<br>
+<br>
+This certainly is a small and easy-to-do program that can be developed in<br>
+minutes and hides a great easter egg ;)<br>
+<br>
+PS: I have the original SVG if someone is interested.<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Andre,<div><br></div><div>This a great idea. </div><div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Andre Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">We know that many Windows users refuse to migrate to GNU / Linux because of the<br>
+differences between these two environments. A critical point is the difference<br>
+between the programs used to perform common tasks.<br>
+<br>
+Thinking about it, I had the idea of creating a Mageia Welcome Center. What is<br>
+this? Basically, when Mageia is installed and user will do his first login - or<br>
+when a new user is created and will do your first login, after loading the<br>
+desktop environment, a window like the one I drew below will appear:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png" target="_blank">http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png</a><br>
+<br>
+This is a simple idea: this window will show friendly descriptions to commom<br>
+tasks besides icons of programs used to perform them. So the user will associate<br>
+the program that needs to use the task that needs doing. When user clicks icon<br>
+or text, the associated program will be launched.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, future we can disable the icons of programs that are not installed or<br>
+provide a way to add more options.<br>
+<br>
+This certainly is a small and easy-to-do program that can be developed in<br>
+minutes and hides a great easter egg ;)<br>
+<br>
+PS: I have the original SVG if someone is interested.<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
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+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
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+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Yeah!<div><br></div><div>;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 28/09/2010 20:02, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I agree. We want help in the job. So, we need define a leader, structure<br>
+and any other thing.<br>
+<br>
+Hey guys, are you  ready?<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m ready!<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Great, did you put your name on the wiki?<br>
+-- <br><font color="#888888">
+Damien Lallement</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Yeah!<div><br></div><div>;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 28/09/2010 20:02, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I agree. We want help in the job. So, we need define a leader, structure<br>
+and any other thing.<br>
+<br>
+Hey guys, are you  ready?<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m ready!<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Great, did you put your name on the wiki?<br>
+-- <br><font color="#888888">
+Damien Lallement</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div>I agree. We want help in the job. So, we need define a leader, structure and any other thing. </div><div><br></div><div>Hey guys, are you  ready?</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m ready!</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/28 Matheus Santana <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matheusslima@yahoo.com.br">matheusslima@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Ok, you are doing something, but the community around just see you guys talking and talking, sorry if this offned you, but me and other gauys really want to help you with the jobs.<br>
+<br><br>Regardas,<br>Matheus<br><br></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>I agree. We want help in the job. So, we need define a leader, structure and any other thing. </div><div><br></div><div>Hey guys, are you  ready?</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m ready!</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/28 Matheus Santana <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matheusslima@yahoo.com.br">matheusslima@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Ok, you are doing something, but the community around just see you guys talking and talking, sorry if this offned you, but me and other gauys really want to help you with the jobs.<br>
+<br><br>Regardas,<br>Matheus<br><br></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br></blockquote></div><br>
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++1<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Sandro Cazzaniga <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:28:49 -0300,<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; &gt; Sorry but, how much time we will still taken to discuss this things<br>
+&gt; &gt; and don&#39;t do just nothing? I propose to we chose a manager for the<br>
+&gt; &gt; project right now.<br>
+<br>
+</div>anne (nicolas :)) aka ennael ;)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+(<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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++1<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Sandro Cazzaniga <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:28:49 -0300,<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; &gt; Sorry but, how much time we will still taken to discuss this things<br>
+&gt; &gt; and don&#39;t do just nothing? I propose to we chose a manager for the<br>
+&gt; &gt; project right now.<br>
+<br>
+</div>anne (nicolas :)) aka ennael ;)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+(<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ajunior@brasifort.com.br">ajunior@brasifort.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div>I agree. We want help in the job. So, we need define a leader, structure and any other thing. </div><div><br></div><div>Hey guys, are you  ready?</div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No they are not totally ready but are working on it.</div>
+
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ajunior@brasifort.com.br">ajunior@brasifort.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div>I agree. We want help in the job. So, we need define a leader, structure and any other thing. </div><div><br></div><div>Hey guys, are you  ready?</div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No they are not totally ready but are working on it.</div>
+
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Soy usuario de Gmail y he pensado que quizás te gustaría probarlo. Te envío una invitación para que crees tu propia cuenta.
+
+<div>
+<br>
+<br>
+<table width="650px" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto; font-family:arial,sans-serif;">
+<tr><td style="border:1px solid #cccccc; padding:10px;">
+	<table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+		<tr><td width="1%"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/mvelope2.gif" width="95" height="77" style="padding-right:10px;"></td>
+		<td width="99%" colspan="2"><h1 style="font-size:28px; font-weight:normal; color:#2461AA; padding-bottom:0em;">¡Has recibido una invitación para usar Gmail!</h1></td></tr>
+	</table>
+	<table width="100%"><tr><td>
+	<table width="450px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="padding:12px; padding-top:0;">
+	  <tr><td colspan="2">
+	        <p>
+	        alktodostemen alko te ha invitado a abrir una cuenta de Gmail.
+	        </p>
+	        <p>Gmail es el servicio de correo electrónico gratuito de Google, diseñado para ser intuitivo, eficaz y divertido. Características de Gmail:</p><br></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/spam_new.gif" style="padding-right:5px;">
+		</td><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><p style="margin-top:0px; padding-top:0px;"><strong>Menos spam</strong><br>
+		Evita que lleguen a &quot;Recibidos&quot; mensajes no deseados gracias a la tecnología innovadora de Google.</p></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr>
+		<td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/storage.gif" style="padding-right:5px;"></td>
+		<td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><p style="margin-top:0px; padding-top:0px;"><strong>Mucho espacio</strong><br>
+		Suficiente capacidad de almacenamiento para que nunca tengas que eliminar más mensajes.</p></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr>
+		<td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/chat.gif" style="padding-right:5px;"></td>
+		<td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><p style="margin-top:0px; padding-top:0px;"><strong>Chat incorporado</strong><br>
+		Chatea a través de texto o vídeo con alktodostemen alko y con otros amigos en tiempo real.</p></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr>
+		<td valign="top"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/cell.gif" style="padding-right:5px;"></td>
+		<td valign="top"><p style="margin-top:0px; padding-top:0px;"><strong>Acceso móvil</strong><br>
+		Utiliza el correo electrónico en cualquier lugar con Gmail en tu teléfono móvil.</p></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr><td colspan="2" style="padding-top:15px;">
+	<p>Incluso puedes importar tus contactos y correo electrónico de Yahoo!, Hotmail, AOL o cualquier otro servicio de correo web o cuenta POP. </p>
+		<p>Cuando crees tu cuenta, se notificará a alktodostemen alko tu nueva dirección de Gmail para que podáis seguir en contacto.
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+</td>
+	</tr>
+	</table>
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+                    display: block;">Registrarse</a>
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+            </td></tr>
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+          </tr>
+        <tr>
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+<div dir="ltr">Soy usuario de Gmail y he pensado que quizás te gustaría probarlo. Te envío una invitación para que crees tu propia cuenta.
+
+<div>
+<br>
+<br>
+<table width="650px" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto; font-family:arial,sans-serif;">
+<tr><td style="border:1px solid #cccccc; padding:10px;">
+	<table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+		<tr><td width="1%"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/mvelope2.gif" width="95" height="77" style="padding-right:10px;"></td>
+		<td width="99%" colspan="2"><h1 style="font-size:28px; font-weight:normal; color:#2461AA; padding-bottom:0em;">¡Has recibido una invitación para usar Gmail!</h1></td></tr>
+	</table>
+	<table width="100%"><tr><td>
+	<table width="450px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="padding:12px; padding-top:0;">
+	  <tr><td colspan="2">
+	        <p>
+	        alktodostemen alko te ha invitado a abrir una cuenta de Gmail.
+	        </p>
+	        <p>Gmail es el servicio de correo electrónico gratuito de Google, diseñado para ser intuitivo, eficaz y divertido. Características de Gmail:</p><br></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/spam_new.gif" style="padding-right:5px;">
+		</td><td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><p style="margin-top:0px; padding-top:0px;"><strong>Menos spam</strong><br>
+		Evita que lleguen a &quot;Recibidos&quot; mensajes no deseados gracias a la tecnología innovadora de Google.</p></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr>
+		<td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/storage.gif" style="padding-right:5px;"></td>
+		<td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><p style="margin-top:0px; padding-top:0px;"><strong>Mucho espacio</strong><br>
+		Suficiente capacidad de almacenamiento para que nunca tengas que eliminar más mensajes.</p></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr>
+		<td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/chat.gif" style="padding-right:5px;"></td>
+		<td valign="top" style="padding-bottom:5px;"><p style="margin-top:0px; padding-top:0px;"><strong>Chat incorporado</strong><br>
+		Chatea a través de texto o vídeo con alktodostemen alko y con otros amigos en tiempo real.</p></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr>
+		<td valign="top"><img src="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/cell.gif" style="padding-right:5px;"></td>
+		<td valign="top"><p style="margin-top:0px; padding-top:0px;"><strong>Acceso móvil</strong><br>
+		Utiliza el correo electrónico en cualquier lugar con Gmail en tu teléfono móvil.</p></td>
+		</tr>
+		<tr><td colspan="2" style="padding-top:15px;">
+	<p>Incluso puedes importar tus contactos y correo electrónico de Yahoo!, Hotmail, AOL o cualquier otro servicio de correo web o cuenta POP. </p>
+		<p>Cuando crees tu cuenta, se notificará a alktodostemen alko tu nueva dirección de Gmail para que podáis seguir en contacto.
+		<a href="http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/es/about.html">Obtén más información</a> o <a href="http://mail.google.com/mail/a-32d026c10a-1c6df967ed-rmSS0ZzHyW2MGGUHf7KlSMOQ3SA">empieza a utilizar el servicio.</a></p>
+</td>
+	</tr>
+	</table>
+	</td>
+	<td valign="top">
+          <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+          <col style="width: 1px;">
+          <col>
+          <col style="width: 1px;">
+            <tr><td>
+            </td><td height="1px" style="background-color: #ddd"></td>
+            <td></td>
+          </tr>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="background-color: #ddd"></td>
+            <td background="http://www.gstatic.com/mail/messages/welcome-button-background.png" style="background-color: #ddd; background-repeat: repeat-x;
+                    padding: 10px; font-size: 130%" align="center">
+                  <a href="http://mail.google.com/mail/a-32d026c10a-1c6df967ed-rmSS0ZzHyW2MGGUHf7KlSMOQ3SA" style="font-weight: bold; color: #000; text-decoration: none;
+                    display: block;">Registrarse</a>
+            </td>
+            <td style="background-color: #ddd"></td>
+          </tr>
+         <tr>
+            <td></td>
+            <td height="1px" style="background-color: #ddd"></td><td>
+            </td></tr>
+          </table>
+          </td>
+            </tr></table></td>
+          </tr>
+        <tr>
+	<td><div style="width:100%; margin-top:10px; color:#666666; font-size:10px;"><center>
+<br>
+
+
+Google Inc. | 1600 Ampitheatre Parkway | Mountain View, California 94043</center></div>
+</td></tr>
+</table>
+</div>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Andre Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+the haste is the enemy of perfection.<br>
+<br>
+Reguards,<br>
+<br>
+André<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank"><br></a></div></div></blockquote></div><br>Indeed.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Andre Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+the haste is the enemy of perfection.<br>
+<br>
+Reguards,<br>
+<br>
+André<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank"><br></a></div></div></blockquote></div><br>Indeed.<br>
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+IMHO,<div><br></div><div>LibreOffice!</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton Júnior</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 André Salaün <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andresalaun@aliceadsl.fr">andresalaun@aliceadsl.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">OpenOffice or LibreOffice for Mageia ?<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/announce/msg00000.html" target="_blank">http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/announce/msg00000.html</a><br>
+<a href="http://www.documentfoundation.org/" target="_blank">http://www.documentfoundation.org/</a><br>
+--<br>
+A.Salaün<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+IMHO,<div><br></div><div>LibreOffice!</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton Júnior</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 André Salaün <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andresalaun@aliceadsl.fr">andresalaun@aliceadsl.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">OpenOffice or LibreOffice for Mageia ?<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/announce/msg00000.html" target="_blank">http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/announce/msg00000.html</a><br>
+<a href="http://www.documentfoundation.org/" target="_blank">http://www.documentfoundation.org/</a><br>
+--<br>
+A.Salaün<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Es al estilo de la pantalla de bienvenida de jolicloud, es una idea muy acertada, buen trabajo ;)<br><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">It is the style of the splash screen Jolicloud is a very wise idea, good job</span></span> ;)<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hey guys,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve read almost all topics of this thread, gathered some ideas and created a<br>
+non-functional HTML prototype of Mageia Welcome Center.<br>
+<br>
+I would like you to do download it at<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.sendspace.com/file/n29kae" target="_blank">http://www.sendspace.com/file/n29kae</a><br>
+<br>
+and read the README file and get their views for me here.<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s start doing something. I believe that this task is easy. Let&#39;s complete<br>
+tasks what I wrote in README and see where it will lead us.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, this tool is intended for novice users, the experts will disable it<br>
+so that come the first time.<br>
+<br>
+Reguards,<br>
+<br>
+André<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Es al estilo de la pantalla de bienvenida de jolicloud, es una idea muy acertada, buen trabajo ;)<br><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">It is the style of the splash screen Jolicloud is a very wise idea, good job</span></span> ;)<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hey guys,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve read almost all topics of this thread, gathered some ideas and created a<br>
+non-functional HTML prototype of Mageia Welcome Center.<br>
+<br>
+I would like you to do download it at<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.sendspace.com/file/n29kae" target="_blank">http://www.sendspace.com/file/n29kae</a><br>
+<br>
+and read the README file and get their views for me here.<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s start doing something. I believe that this task is easy. Let&#39;s complete<br>
+tasks what I wrote in README and see where it will lead us.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, this tool is intended for novice users, the experts will disable it<br>
+so that come the first time.<br>
+<br>
+Reguards,<br>
+<br>
+André<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juan.baptiste@gmail.com">juan.baptiste@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:12 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I suggest to look at Pardus Linux&#39;s Kaptan tool. It shows up to assist<br>
+&gt; desktop/system configuration to new user. Such as from network setup<br>
+&gt; to icon theme. Tough it is only KDE app.<br>
+<br>
+Wow, this kaptan app looks really really nice, if someone wants to<br>
+take a look at some screenshots of it (and Pardus in general) see this<br>
+link:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pardus.html" target="_blank">http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pardus.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Also the installer looks pretty nice too.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I remember something like Kaptan was used in KDE many-many years ago (KDE2 probably?)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juan.baptiste@gmail.com">juan.baptiste@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:12 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I suggest to look at Pardus Linux&#39;s Kaptan tool. It shows up to assist<br>
+&gt; desktop/system configuration to new user. Such as from network setup<br>
+&gt; to icon theme. Tough it is only KDE app.<br>
+<br>
+Wow, this kaptan app looks really really nice, if someone wants to<br>
+take a look at some screenshots of it (and Pardus in general) see this<br>
+link:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pardus.html" target="_blank">http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pardus.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Also the installer looks pretty nice too.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I remember something like Kaptan was used in KDE many-many years ago (KDE2 probably?)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    +1<br>
+    It is very important for beginner and old people.<br>
+    <br>
+    It would be configure during the installation.<br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu<br>
+    <br>
+    Le 29/09/2010 03:13, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&uacute;nior a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTin9tkbEF2NsqJY83U_jJrZaxgtnK4Pqp2uLwk+9@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Andre,
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>This a great idea.&nbsp;</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>J&uacute;nior<br>
+        <br>
+        <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Andre Machado <span
+            dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+            0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+            padding-left: 1ex;">We know that many Windows users refuse
+            to migrate to GNU / Linux because of the<br>
+            differences between these two environments. A critical point
+            is the difference<br>
+            between the programs used to perform common tasks.<br>
+            <br>
+            Thinking about it, I had the idea of creating a Mageia
+            Welcome Center. What is<br>
+            this? Basically, when Mageia is installed and user will do
+            his first login - or<br>
+            when a new user is created and will do your first login,
+            after loading the<br>
+            desktop environment, a window like the one I drew below will
+            appear:<br>
+            <br>
+            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png"
+              target="_blank">http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png</a><br>
+            <br>
+            This is a simple idea: this window will show friendly
+            descriptions to commom<br>
+            tasks besides icons of programs used to perform them. So the
+            user will associate<br>
+            the program that needs to use the task that needs doing.
+            When user clicks icon<br>
+            or text, the associated program will be launched.<br>
+            <br>
+            Of course, future we can disable the icons of programs that
+            are not installed or<br>
+            provide a way to add more options.<br>
+            <br>
+            This certainly is a small and easy-to-do program that can be
+            developed in<br>
+            minutes and hides a great easter egg ;)<br>
+            <br>
+            PS: I have the original SVG if someone is interested.<br>
+            <br>
+            _______________________________________________<br>
+            Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev"
+              target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+          </blockquote>
+        </div>
+        <br>
+      </div>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-dev mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a></pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    +1<br>
+    It is very important for beginner and old people.<br>
+    <br>
+    It would be configure during the installation.<br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu<br>
+    <br>
+    Le 29/09/2010 03:13, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&uacute;nior a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTin9tkbEF2NsqJY83U_jJrZaxgtnK4Pqp2uLwk+9@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Andre,
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>This a great idea.&nbsp;</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>J&uacute;nior<br>
+        <br>
+        <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Andre Machado <span
+            dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+            0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+            padding-left: 1ex;">We know that many Windows users refuse
+            to migrate to GNU / Linux because of the<br>
+            differences between these two environments. A critical point
+            is the difference<br>
+            between the programs used to perform common tasks.<br>
+            <br>
+            Thinking about it, I had the idea of creating a Mageia
+            Welcome Center. What is<br>
+            this? Basically, when Mageia is installed and user will do
+            his first login - or<br>
+            when a new user is created and will do your first login,
+            after loading the<br>
+            desktop environment, a window like the one I drew below will
+            appear:<br>
+            <br>
+            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png"
+              target="_blank">http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png</a><br>
+            <br>
+            This is a simple idea: this window will show friendly
+            descriptions to commom<br>
+            tasks besides icons of programs used to perform them. So the
+            user will associate<br>
+            the program that needs to use the task that needs doing.
+            When user clicks icon<br>
+            or text, the associated program will be launched.<br>
+            <br>
+            Of course, future we can disable the icons of programs that
+            are not installed or<br>
+            provide a way to add more options.<br>
+            <br>
+            This certainly is a small and easy-to-do program that can be
+            developed in<br>
+            minutes and hides a great easter egg ;)<br>
+            <br>
+            PS: I have the original SVG if someone is interested.<br>
+            <br>
+            _______________________________________________<br>
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+              href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
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+              href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev"
+              target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I am a Windows/MS based web apps and software developer.<br>When I have chosen Mandriva (about 10 years ago) for my home PC, my criteria was related to usability and reliability, and the community was a very important criterion. Also easy setup and forget was in my mind and I was pleased by its plenty of packages. I will always look at Linux from the software developer point of view though...<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I am a Windows/MS based web apps and software developer.<br>When I have chosen Mandriva (about 10 years ago) for my home PC, my criteria was related to usability and reliability, and the community was a very important criterion. Also easy setup and forget was in my mind and I was pleased by its plenty of packages. I will always look at Linux from the software developer point of view though...<br>
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+As long as you want to install all the updates,<br>and even if your connection fluctuates and stops during the download, the order doesn&#39;t matter much.<br>If you can&#39;t download all the packages at the first attempt, you just have to download the packages in several steps.<br>
+<br>Rare are the cases when you urge to update the smallest package and can&#39;t wait for the others to be downloaded.<br>And when that&#39;s the case, you just have to select the interesting package first, install it and then download the other packages.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/30 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+André Machado &lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-09-30<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I&#39;m asking if is possible &quot;force&quot;<br>
+&gt; or &quot;make&quot; URPMI create this &quot;groups&quot;, elect the smaller one and download<br>
+&gt; it, from the smaller to bigger package, install it and download the second<br>
+&gt; smaller package group in this same order.<br>
+</div>The question is: why?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+As long as you want to install all the updates,<br>and even if your connection fluctuates and stops during the download, the order doesn&#39;t matter much.<br>If you can&#39;t download all the packages at the first attempt, you just have to download the packages in several steps.<br>
+<br>Rare are the cases when you urge to update the smallest package and can&#39;t wait for the others to be downloaded.<br>And when that&#39;s the case, you just have to select the interesting package first, install it and then download the other packages.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/30 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+André Machado &lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-09-30<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I&#39;m asking if is possible &quot;force&quot;<br>
+&gt; or &quot;make&quot; URPMI create this &quot;groups&quot;, elect the smaller one and download<br>
+&gt; it, from the smaller to bigger package, install it and download the second<br>
+&gt; smaller package group in this same order.<br>
+</div>The question is: why?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/30 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 13:56 +0300, Marek Laane a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I rather think that if at all the survey should be an option not<br>
+&gt; something<br>
+&gt; you inevitably get - something for people who feel they are ready to<br>
+&gt; contribute, give back; otherwise it&#39;d be just a nuisance.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Of course. IIRC there was a checkbox &quot;do not answer&quot; on Mandriva survey.<br>
+I think I remember that fcrozat told me there was a problem on small<br>
+screen as the checkbox was hidden, but that was clearly a bug.<br>
+<br>
+Anyway, I think that without server side interface, this will not work,<br>
+and before asking who our users are, we need to have softwares and<br>
+users :)<br>
+<br>
+So the first time survey will likely disappear for now ( and maybe<br>
+forever, depending on the need and suggestions of marketing ).<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">Michael Scherer<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah but what I meant was that Mandriva shows survey and lets user to decline. That I called nuisance. IMHO much better is to let user decide if s/he wants to take it at all, e.g. having on welcome screen &quot;Let me take survey&quot; or something.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div> </div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/30 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 13:56 +0300, Marek Laane a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I rather think that if at all the survey should be an option not<br>
+&gt; something<br>
+&gt; you inevitably get - something for people who feel they are ready to<br>
+&gt; contribute, give back; otherwise it&#39;d be just a nuisance.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Of course. IIRC there was a checkbox &quot;do not answer&quot; on Mandriva survey.<br>
+I think I remember that fcrozat told me there was a problem on small<br>
+screen as the checkbox was hidden, but that was clearly a bug.<br>
+<br>
+Anyway, I think that without server side interface, this will not work,<br>
+and before asking who our users are, we need to have softwares and<br>
+users :)<br>
+<br>
+So the first time survey will likely disappear for now ( and maybe<br>
+forever, depending on the need and suggestions of marketing ).<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">Michael Scherer<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah but what I meant was that Mandriva shows survey and lets user to decline. That I called nuisance. IMHO much better is to let user decide if s/he wants to take it at all, e.g. having on welcome screen &quot;Let me take survey&quot; or something.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div> </div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/30 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 13:38 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit :<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/30 Robert Xu &lt;<a href="mailto:robxu9@gmail.com">robxu9@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Sep 30, 2010, at 5:23, Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 à 20:53 -0400, Ireneusz Gierlach a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I just hope there won&#39;t be a survey when you first install, because if<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; you have no internet it doesn&#39;t let you do anything. You have to like go<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; to console and do not cool stuff. I guess as long as it is not invasive<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; it will be fine.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Then we need to fix it so it cope with no internet access, not disable<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; it.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Maybe the first time connected to the internet the survey should appear?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; -- later, Robert Xu<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Why we&#39; re talking about a survey? Do we need this? We are not a<br>
+&gt; company and think about customer happiness. I thought this thread is<br>
+&gt; about a informational and/or assistance application for newbies.<br>
+<br>
+You do not have to be a company to want to know who use your software.<br>
+And I think knowing who use the software can be important in term of<br>
+communication. And that&#39;s the first step toward listening users.<br>
+<br>
+Now, a automatic survey as done by mdv may not be the best way for us,<br>
+but this should not be ditched based on &quot;we are not a company, we do not<br>
+need to know who us the software&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>I rather think that if at all the survey should be an option not something you inevitably get - something for people who feel they are ready to contribute, give back; otherwise it&#39;d be just a nuisance.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/30 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 13:38 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit :<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/30 Robert Xu &lt;<a href="mailto:robxu9@gmail.com">robxu9@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Sep 30, 2010, at 5:23, Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 à 20:53 -0400, Ireneusz Gierlach a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I just hope there won&#39;t be a survey when you first install, because if<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; you have no internet it doesn&#39;t let you do anything. You have to like go<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; to console and do not cool stuff. I guess as long as it is not invasive<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; it will be fine.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Then we need to fix it so it cope with no internet access, not disable<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; it.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Maybe the first time connected to the internet the survey should appear?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; -- later, Robert Xu<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Why we&#39; re talking about a survey? Do we need this? We are not a<br>
+&gt; company and think about customer happiness. I thought this thread is<br>
+&gt; about a informational and/or assistance application for newbies.<br>
+<br>
+You do not have to be a company to want to know who use your software.<br>
+And I think knowing who use the software can be important in term of<br>
+communication. And that&#39;s the first step toward listening users.<br>
+<br>
+Now, a automatic survey as done by mdv may not be the best way for us,<br>
+but this should not be ditched based on &quot;we are not a company, we do not<br>
+need to know who us the software&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>I rather think that if at all the survey should be an option not something you inevitably get - something for people who feel they are ready to contribute, give back; otherwise it&#39;d be just a nuisance.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-dev mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-dev@mageia.org">Mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,<br>
+&gt; because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push<br>
+&gt; incremental patchsets.<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s easier for us developers but more difficult for translators that<br>
+learned to use SVN (which was easy for them to swtich from CVS since<br>
+the commands were similar)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Well, as KDE experience shows, SVN and Git are not incompatible, i.e. you can have SVN for translators, even if some development are done in Git.</div><div>And, second, if we could use e.g. Transifex, then underlying VCS is mostly irrelevant to the translators (though experienced ones who have proper permissions could also interact directly with underlying VCS, be it SVN or Git, if needed).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,<br>
+&gt; because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push<br>
+&gt; incremental patchsets.<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s easier for us developers but more difficult for translators that<br>
+learned to use SVN (which was easy for them to swtich from CVS since<br>
+the commands were similar)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Well, as KDE experience shows, SVN and Git are not incompatible, i.e. you can have SVN for translators, even if some development are done in Git.</div><div>And, second, if we could use e.g. Transifex, then underlying VCS is mostly irrelevant to the translators (though experienced ones who have proper permissions could also interact directly with underlying VCS, be it SVN or Git, if needed).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div>
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+I love FireFox for its plethora of add-ons. I wouldn&#39;t give it up for any other browser, although it eats up a lot of memory.<br>
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+I love FireFox for its plethora of add-ons. I wouldn&#39;t give it up for any other browser, although it eats up a lot of memory.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Olivier Méjean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 22:57:06, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; i don&#39;t understand, if you click the applet every time there&#39;s an update,<br>
+&gt;  then when there&#39;s a new version, the you also click the applet and it<br>
+&gt;  updates... there isn&#39;t any real difference from a user pov...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Have you ever tried ? I did once and broken (don&#39;t remeber when, 2009 → 2009.1<br>
+maybe)<br>
+<br>
+And also it does not answer for OOo 3.2 not being available for Mandriva 2010<br>
+<br>
+And finally, why waiting for a new version to update, can&#39;t it be done<br>
+regularly ?<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>mageia can handle better updates/backports but a for a rolling distro just use cauldron :þ <br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Olivier Méjean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 22:57:06, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; i don&#39;t understand, if you click the applet every time there&#39;s an update,<br>
+&gt;  then when there&#39;s a new version, the you also click the applet and it<br>
+&gt;  updates... there isn&#39;t any real difference from a user pov...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Have you ever tried ? I did once and broken (don&#39;t remeber when, 2009 → 2009.1<br>
+maybe)<br>
+<br>
+And also it does not answer for OOo 3.2 not being available for Mandriva 2010<br>
+<br>
+And finally, why waiting for a new version to update, can&#39;t it be done<br>
+regularly ?<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>mageia can handle better updates/backports but a for a rolling distro just use cauldron :þ <br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br><br>i am glad to be a contributor of the Mandriva _fork_.<br><br><br>zieduz<br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br><br>i am glad to be a contributor of the Mandriva _fork_.<br><br><br>zieduz<br></div>
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+I think that from both a financial and technological point of view Mageia should have two releases a year.  With the rate at which Linux technology increases it makes a lot of sense to have a release every 6 months.  Also, I do agree that using the year number for each release is very handy.<br>
+<br>-Jason A. Turner<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:51:34 +0300, atilla ontas wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m just wondering if we follow Mandriva&#39;s release cycle model. Every<br>
+&gt; 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br>
+&gt; make one release in one year.<br>
+<br>
+</div>  I feel the same way, but from an income point of view Mageia would<br>
+probably be better off with 2 per year.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;  Do we follow Mandriva&#39;s release naming scheme? I.e.<br>
+&gt; do we call our first release 2011.x ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>  Incorporating  the year number is a big help.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+/\/\aurice<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div style="visibility: hidden; display: inline;" id="avg_ls_inline_popup"></div><style type="text/css">#avg_ls_inline_popup {  position:absolute;  z-index:9999;  padding: 0px 0px;  margin-left: 0px;  margin-top: 0px;  width: 240px;  overflow: hidden;  word-wrap: break-word;  color: black;  font-size: 10px;  text-align: left;  line-height: 13px;}</style>
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+I think that from both a financial and technological point of view Mageia should have two releases a year.  With the rate at which Linux technology increases it makes a lot of sense to have a release every 6 months.  Also, I do agree that using the year number for each release is very handy.<br>
+<br>-Jason A. Turner<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:51:34 +0300, atilla ontas wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m just wondering if we follow Mandriva&#39;s release cycle model. Every<br>
+&gt; 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br>
+&gt; make one release in one year.<br>
+<br>
+</div>  I feel the same way, but from an income point of view Mageia would<br>
+probably be better off with 2 per year.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;  Do we follow Mandriva&#39;s release naming scheme? I.e.<br>
+&gt; do we call our first release 2011.x ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>  Incorporating  the year number is a big help.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+/\/\aurice<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div style="visibility: hidden; display: inline;" id="avg_ls_inline_popup"></div><style type="text/css">#avg_ls_inline_popup {  position:absolute;  z-index:9999;  padding: 0px 0px;  margin-left: 0px;  margin-top: 0px;  width: 240px;  overflow: hidden;  word-wrap: break-word;  color: black;  font-size: 10px;  text-align: left;  line-height: 13px;}</style>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 00:43, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Yup, the distro that make you become expert, something like that.<br>
+<br>
+One thing we must not forget is that we need people that contribute if<br>
+we want to survive. A commercial distribution requires money ( and<br>
+therefore users that can bring money , either directly, or either<br>
+indirectly ( service, ads, etc )) to survive. We are not a commercial<br>
+distribution, so the pressure is lower with regard to money. But we<br>
+still to have people that develop it, and if we cannot pay people for<br>
+that directly ( since we are not a company, even if maybe some companies<br>
+will help us later ), we need to directly use contributions as a way to<br>
+ensure our own sustainability.<br>
+<br>
+SO IMHO, this is what we should seek if we want to survive. Gathering<br>
+contributions should be one of our goals.<br>
+<br>
+The second point is that we are here because we want community<br>
+empowerment. So community also must be a strong point, especially since<br>
+it will appeal to people that would allow the community to survive.<br>
+<br>
+So again, I think that empowerment should be another one of the goals.<br>
+<br>
+Now, we must ask ourself &quot;what is pushing people to contribute&quot;.<br>
+There is various papers, like this one<br>
+<a href="http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033" target="_blank">http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033</a><br>
+<br>
+( I let the analysis as a exercise for the moment ).<br>
+<br>
+And we need to find a way to combine this with others goals.<br>
+<br>
+While a traditional motivation in free software is to solve our own<br>
+problem ( and that&#39;s also part of community empowerment ), this is not<br>
+enough. We also need to think to more than us. And I think that&#39;s the<br>
+complex part.<br>
+<br>
+We have 2 choices. Either we try to find a market where no one went, or<br>
+a market where someone went, and try to be better. Or maybe both.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><br></div></blockquote></div>I agree.<br><br>One way towards that goal is something I thought about since some years :<br>lessen the divide between the GUI and CLI approach to computers, and OS&#39;s in particular. And thus between the &#39;user&#39; and the &#39;geek&#39; cultures (even if geeks are users too).<br>
+<br>In particular : that the GUI tools, for example the GUI draktools, provide a link (button) to a short explanation of how they do what they do. For example : what are the configuration files that are changed, and how.<br>
+<br>It could be seen as an extension of what is possible with an icon of the Panel : a right-click gets you to see what it does : the command is visible.<br><br clear="all">When I was teaching an introduction to OS&#39;s, I used Mandr/ake/iva this way for<br>
+people mainly familiar with Windows : the GUI functions are similar, even if different, but you can have a &#39;readable text&#39; access to what really happens.<br><br>At first I just told them which configuration files where concerned. Later I wrote some simple perl scripts using fileschanged  (<a href="http://fileschanged.sourceforge.net/">http://fileschanged.sourceforge.net/</a>)<br>
+to let them find it themselves. But there were many limitations : for instance KDE configurations are not writen to file directly.<br><br>Anyway it would be much more helpful if it is incorporated in the GUI tool itself (eventually as an option).<br>
+It would encourage progressive exploration of the underlying workings.<br>For anybody, but evidently exploratory behavior is more prevalent in younger people.<br><br>Viewed with some optimism, if this approach is extended, it could lead to an experience similar to that of people who came to programming through contact with the early 8 bit microcomputers. (Many people lament the disapearence of that path of access).<br>
+<br>From the &#39;magic&#39; point of view it would point to : Magea : the School of Magic<br><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 00:43, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Yup, the distro that make you become expert, something like that.<br>
+<br>
+One thing we must not forget is that we need people that contribute if<br>
+we want to survive. A commercial distribution requires money ( and<br>
+therefore users that can bring money , either directly, or either<br>
+indirectly ( service, ads, etc )) to survive. We are not a commercial<br>
+distribution, so the pressure is lower with regard to money. But we<br>
+still to have people that develop it, and if we cannot pay people for<br>
+that directly ( since we are not a company, even if maybe some companies<br>
+will help us later ), we need to directly use contributions as a way to<br>
+ensure our own sustainability.<br>
+<br>
+SO IMHO, this is what we should seek if we want to survive. Gathering<br>
+contributions should be one of our goals.<br>
+<br>
+The second point is that we are here because we want community<br>
+empowerment. So community also must be a strong point, especially since<br>
+it will appeal to people that would allow the community to survive.<br>
+<br>
+So again, I think that empowerment should be another one of the goals.<br>
+<br>
+Now, we must ask ourself &quot;what is pushing people to contribute&quot;.<br>
+There is various papers, like this one<br>
+<a href="http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033" target="_blank">http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033</a><br>
+<br>
+( I let the analysis as a exercise for the moment ).<br>
+<br>
+And we need to find a way to combine this with others goals.<br>
+<br>
+While a traditional motivation in free software is to solve our own<br>
+problem ( and that&#39;s also part of community empowerment ), this is not<br>
+enough. We also need to think to more than us. And I think that&#39;s the<br>
+complex part.<br>
+<br>
+We have 2 choices. Either we try to find a market where no one went, or<br>
+a market where someone went, and try to be better. Or maybe both.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><br></div></blockquote></div>I agree.<br><br>One way towards that goal is something I thought about since some years :<br>lessen the divide between the GUI and CLI approach to computers, and OS&#39;s in particular. And thus between the &#39;user&#39; and the &#39;geek&#39; cultures (even if geeks are users too).<br>
+<br>In particular : that the GUI tools, for example the GUI draktools, provide a link (button) to a short explanation of how they do what they do. For example : what are the configuration files that are changed, and how.<br>
+<br>It could be seen as an extension of what is possible with an icon of the Panel : a right-click gets you to see what it does : the command is visible.<br><br clear="all">When I was teaching an introduction to OS&#39;s, I used Mandr/ake/iva this way for<br>
+people mainly familiar with Windows : the GUI functions are similar, even if different, but you can have a &#39;readable text&#39; access to what really happens.<br><br>At first I just told them which configuration files where concerned. Later I wrote some simple perl scripts using fileschanged  (<a href="http://fileschanged.sourceforge.net/">http://fileschanged.sourceforge.net/</a>)<br>
+to let them find it themselves. But there were many limitations : for instance KDE configurations are not writen to file directly.<br><br>Anyway it would be much more helpful if it is incorporated in the GUI tool itself (eventually as an option).<br>
+It would encourage progressive exploration of the underlying workings.<br>For anybody, but evidently exploratory behavior is more prevalent in younger people.<br><br>Viewed with some optimism, if this approach is extended, it could lead to an experience similar to that of people who came to programming through contact with the early 8 bit microcomputers. (Many people lament the disapearence of that path of access).<br>
+<br>From the &#39;magic&#39; point of view it would point to : Magea : the School of Magic<br><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+ People that have a preferred browser know how to install it,<br>
+those that don&#39;t do not care enough.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>True, I&#39;m just lazy, I will always use FF and I would have liked to have it setup at OS install. A choice from a list would have been fine for me, in order to have it installed at the first login already.<br>
+I.e. to depend on the admin/person that performs the OS install, rather than end-user, that could be the same.<br>There is no distro having all the apps in the world. Some generally preferred (i.e. having enough users of that distro on their side) are always in list. Like Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Konqueror and so. Not all the similar apps made ever in the world.<br>
+A poll to see if there is anybody interested in some app to come with the distro would be nice. This would make the difference from the good old MDV policy.<br>I truly hope to be possible to propose and vote some apps to be included in the distro.<br>
+I know it is hard for packagers and testers. I work in this field.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+ People that have a preferred browser know how to install it,<br>
+those that don&#39;t do not care enough.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>True, I&#39;m just lazy, I will always use FF and I would have liked to have it setup at OS install. A choice from a list would have been fine for me, in order to have it installed at the first login already.<br>
+I.e. to depend on the admin/person that performs the OS install, rather than end-user, that could be the same.<br>There is no distro having all the apps in the world. Some generally preferred (i.e. having enough users of that distro on their side) are always in list. Like Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Konqueror and so. Not all the similar apps made ever in the world.<br>
+A poll to see if there is anybody interested in some app to come with the distro would be nice. This would make the difference from the good old MDV policy.<br>I truly hope to be possible to propose and vote some apps to be included in the distro.<br>
+I know it is hard for packagers and testers. I work in this field.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Gustavo Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com" target="_blank">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+Why not to use something like this?<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+MS implemented it at Europe because they forced to. We could do it to<br>
+be more &quot;democratic&quot;?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>This is the best solution, imho.<br>As in the database servers case (you choose for postgres, mysql or both at install time).<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">To define the default browser is very easy and fast in KDE enviroment (systemsettings → Default Applications)<div>I dont think anything else about the default browser could add more comfort than this.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>About browsers, i use konqueror and rekonq to be full integrated in KDE, but there are still issues in both of them. May be later, one of them will take the place of Firefox as the default.  <br><br></div>
+<div><br></div><div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Gustavo Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com" target="_blank">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+Why not to use something like this?<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+MS implemented it at Europe because they forced to. We could do it to<br>
+be more &quot;democratic&quot;?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>This is the best solution, imho.<br>As in the database servers case (you choose for postgres, mysql or both at install time).<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">To define the default browser is very easy and fast in KDE enviroment (systemsettings → Default Applications)<div>I dont think anything else about the default browser could add more comfort than this.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>About browsers, i use konqueror and rekonq to be full integrated in KDE, but there are still issues in both of them. May be later, one of them will take the place of Firefox as the default.  <br><br></div>
+<div><br></div><div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Gustavo Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Why not to use something like this?<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+MS implemented it at Europe because they forced to. We could do it to<br>
+be more &quot;democratic&quot;?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>This is the best solution, imho.<br>As in the database servers case (you choose for postgres, mysql or both at install time).<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Gustavo Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Why not to use something like this?<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+MS implemented it at Europe because they forced to. We could do it to<br>
+be more &quot;democratic&quot;?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>This is the best solution, imho.<br>As in the database servers case (you choose for postgres, mysql or both at install time).<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Fabrice Facorat <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fabrice.facorat@gmail.com">fabrice.facorat@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Fabrice Facorat wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+&gt; But the ones they have: work great, are integrated with the rest of the<br>
+&gt; ecosystem, are user-friendly and they are aesthetically pleasant.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; By focusing on 90% of specs and getting them to be 95% perfect, instead of<br>
+&gt; having 100% of specs and getting them to be just 50% workable, regular<br>
+&gt; people (95% of the population) like their products.<br>
+<br>
+</div>you&#39;re 100% right<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Apple&#39;s approach mimics the Unix philosophy (every small tool covers a task<br>
+&gt; extremely well, and integrates with the rest of the Unix system): every<br>
+&gt; single technical bullet point included does a task extremely well with the<br>
+&gt; rest of the tools and look&#39;n&#39;feel.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mandriva tries that, with look&#39;n&#39;feel consistent on MCC, KDE and Gnome.<br>
+&gt; draketools work on TUI or GUI. They work well.<br>
+<br>
+</div>some tools does not work correctly however and are buggy<br><br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Better  is to fix them instead of rewrite all.<br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Fabrice Facorat <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fabrice.facorat@gmail.com">fabrice.facorat@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Fabrice Facorat wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+&gt; But the ones they have: work great, are integrated with the rest of the<br>
+&gt; ecosystem, are user-friendly and they are aesthetically pleasant.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; By focusing on 90% of specs and getting them to be 95% perfect, instead of<br>
+&gt; having 100% of specs and getting them to be just 50% workable, regular<br>
+&gt; people (95% of the population) like their products.<br>
+<br>
+</div>you&#39;re 100% right<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Apple&#39;s approach mimics the Unix philosophy (every small tool covers a task<br>
+&gt; extremely well, and integrates with the rest of the Unix system): every<br>
+&gt; single technical bullet point included does a task extremely well with the<br>
+&gt; rest of the tools and look&#39;n&#39;feel.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mandriva tries that, with look&#39;n&#39;feel consistent on MCC, KDE and Gnome.<br>
+&gt; draketools work on TUI or GUI. They work well.<br>
+<br>
+</div>some tools does not work correctly however and are buggy<br><br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Better  is to fix them instead of rewrite all.<br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Sinner from the Prairy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Fabrice Facorat wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2010/10/1 Romain d&#39;Alverny<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+</div>(...)<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; Both (substance, appearance) are crucial. If you only consider one<br>
+&gt;&gt; without balancing, making it consistent with the other, you&#39;re not<br>
+&gt;&gt; going down the right path. The interface, the whole experience with it<br>
+&gt;&gt; is the product.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; sure, but appearance is the key point.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Archos is a good example of what we should not do ...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m still amazed by the technicals limits of the iPhone, and how<br>
+&gt; people can still want to buy them ... same for iPod ...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; iPod : no mp3, no FM radio, no USB mass storage support<br>
+&gt; iPhone : no standard visio, no ability to create without iTunes or<br>
+&gt; third party tools photo albums, less capable facebook integration, no<br>
+&gt; FM radio, no flash,  and so on ...<br>
+<br>
+</div>iProducts don&#39;t have all the bullet points, all the technical specs that an<br>
+UberGeek would like.<br>
+<br>
+But the ones they have: work great, are integrated with the rest of the<br>
+ecosystem, are user-friendly and they are aesthetically pleasant.<br>
+<br>
+By focusing on 90% of specs and getting them to be 95% perfect, instead of<br>
+having 100% of specs and getting them to be just 50% workable, regular<br>
+people (95% of the population) like their products.<br>
+<br>
+Apple&#39;s approach mimics the Unix philosophy (every small tool covers a task<br>
+extremely well, and integrates with the rest of the Unix system): every<br>
+single technical bullet point included does a task extremely well with the<br>
+rest of the tools and look&#39;n&#39;feel.<br>
+<br>
+Mandriva tries that, with look&#39;n&#39;feel consistent on MCC, KDE and Gnome.<br>
+draketools work on TUI or GUI. They work well.<br>
+<br>
+IMHO, Mageia should improve on Mandriva, not try to get just &quot;bullet points&quot;<br>
+on what our distro does.<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s pick our battles, go the Unix way, make sure what Mageia does, it does<br>
+very well. And as Linux is Linux is Linux is Linux, it will do everything<br>
+else as well (and the kitchen sink).<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Salut,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Sinner<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>IMHO, a home user would have one major DE, KDE or Gnome or other. I think it is unlikely to change it (maybe once in 10 years). The key in appearance is to have a nice aspect in each DE rather be the same look in Gnome or KDE or other. I guess that each environment will fit some user&#39;s taste in its native look.<br>
+The Drake tools must be cross DE and consistent.<br>Mac OS is an unix derivative. I love their look and ergonomy. They have a serious team of ergonomists and designers. This is what a Linux distro needs to be successful. i.e. Mageia. The IMHO, Apple products are too expensive, a regular PC at the same performance and of a acceptable quality offers the same for a half of the price. And you could renew it faster for the same money. Their apps are brilliant from usability point of view and very good looking. They focus on a very limited hardware in variety. This is their advantage. Their hardware is also the best in quality (this is why they cost so much also). I prefer open source though.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Sinner from the Prairy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Fabrice Facorat wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2010/10/1 Romain d&#39;Alverny<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+</div>(...)<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; Both (substance, appearance) are crucial. If you only consider one<br>
+&gt;&gt; without balancing, making it consistent with the other, you&#39;re not<br>
+&gt;&gt; going down the right path. The interface, the whole experience with it<br>
+&gt;&gt; is the product.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; sure, but appearance is the key point.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Archos is a good example of what we should not do ...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m still amazed by the technicals limits of the iPhone, and how<br>
+&gt; people can still want to buy them ... same for iPod ...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; iPod : no mp3, no FM radio, no USB mass storage support<br>
+&gt; iPhone : no standard visio, no ability to create without iTunes or<br>
+&gt; third party tools photo albums, less capable facebook integration, no<br>
+&gt; FM radio, no flash,  and so on ...<br>
+<br>
+</div>iProducts don&#39;t have all the bullet points, all the technical specs that an<br>
+UberGeek would like.<br>
+<br>
+But the ones they have: work great, are integrated with the rest of the<br>
+ecosystem, are user-friendly and they are aesthetically pleasant.<br>
+<br>
+By focusing on 90% of specs and getting them to be 95% perfect, instead of<br>
+having 100% of specs and getting them to be just 50% workable, regular<br>
+people (95% of the population) like their products.<br>
+<br>
+Apple&#39;s approach mimics the Unix philosophy (every small tool covers a task<br>
+extremely well, and integrates with the rest of the Unix system): every<br>
+single technical bullet point included does a task extremely well with the<br>
+rest of the tools and look&#39;n&#39;feel.<br>
+<br>
+Mandriva tries that, with look&#39;n&#39;feel consistent on MCC, KDE and Gnome.<br>
+draketools work on TUI or GUI. They work well.<br>
+<br>
+IMHO, Mageia should improve on Mandriva, not try to get just &quot;bullet points&quot;<br>
+on what our distro does.<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s pick our battles, go the Unix way, make sure what Mageia does, it does<br>
+very well. And as Linux is Linux is Linux is Linux, it will do everything<br>
+else as well (and the kitchen sink).<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Salut,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Sinner<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>IMHO, a home user would have one major DE, KDE or Gnome or other. I think it is unlikely to change it (maybe once in 10 years). The key in appearance is to have a nice aspect in each DE rather be the same look in Gnome or KDE or other. I guess that each environment will fit some user&#39;s taste in its native look.<br>
+The Drake tools must be cross DE and consistent.<br>Mac OS is an unix derivative. I love their look and ergonomy. They have a serious team of ergonomists and designers. This is what a Linux distro needs to be successful. i.e. Mageia. The IMHO, Apple products are too expensive, a regular PC at the same performance and of a acceptable quality offers the same for a half of the price. And you could renew it faster for the same money. Their apps are brilliant from usability point of view and very good looking. They focus on a very limited hardware in variety. This is their advantage. Their hardware is also the best in quality (this is why they cost so much also). I prefer open source though.<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The futur of internet need you !<br>
+<br>
+The goal of the EPOLL project was to write an OSS software to perform<br>
+vote, respecting everything you can expect about a vote (anonymous<br>
+ballot, delay, transparency).<br>
+<br>
+It seems the software will be use by Mageia (it has been also used by<br>
+the University of Versailles-St Quentin and mandrivafr).<br>
+<br>
+The first version has been written because it has been decided at my<br>
+work to elect people using a web application.<br>
+<br>
+As consequence of this, Epoll has been mostly written in... French<br>
+(sorry :).<br>
+<br>
+The next version will included several new features, one of them is<br>
+the support of I18N \o/.<br>
+<br>
+I am now looking for people to translate it (and fixing my english, very<br>
+good as may see in my email :).<br>
+<br>
+The software is written in PERL + Postgresql.<br>
+<br>
+The project URL: <a href="https://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll" target="_blank">https://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll</a> (French /o\)<br>
+The devel SVN tree: <a href="http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll/svn/trunk/" target="_blank">http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll/svn/trunk/</a> (ro)<br>
+<br>
+Patch are welcome.<br>
+If you need help to add the new language, just mail me.<br>
+<br>
+Regards.<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>Hi,<br>I&#39;d like to help with the English version. I know neither PERL nor Postgresql, but I may be able to do some translation.<br>As a French student, I find it harder to translate from French to English than the other way, but if there are some proofreaders and/or other translators, it should be okay.<br>
+<br>Regards,<br>Rémi V.<br></div></div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The futur of internet need you !<br>
+<br>
+The goal of the EPOLL project was to write an OSS software to perform<br>
+vote, respecting everything you can expect about a vote (anonymous<br>
+ballot, delay, transparency).<br>
+<br>
+It seems the software will be use by Mageia (it has been also used by<br>
+the University of Versailles-St Quentin and mandrivafr).<br>
+<br>
+The first version has been written because it has been decided at my<br>
+work to elect people using a web application.<br>
+<br>
+As consequence of this, Epoll has been mostly written in... French<br>
+(sorry :).<br>
+<br>
+The next version will included several new features, one of them is<br>
+the support of I18N \o/.<br>
+<br>
+I am now looking for people to translate it (and fixing my english, very<br>
+good as may see in my email :).<br>
+<br>
+The software is written in PERL + Postgresql.<br>
+<br>
+The project URL: <a href="https://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll" target="_blank">https://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll</a> (French /o\)<br>
+The devel SVN tree: <a href="http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll/svn/trunk/" target="_blank">http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll/svn/trunk/</a> (ro)<br>
+<br>
+Patch are welcome.<br>
+If you need help to add the new language, just mail me.<br>
+<br>
+Regards.<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>Hi,<br>I&#39;d like to help with the English version. I know neither PERL nor Postgresql, but I may be able to do some translation.<br>As a French student, I find it harder to translate from French to English than the other way, but if there are some proofreaders and/or other translators, it should be okay.<br>
+<br>Regards,<br>Rémi V.<br></div></div><br>
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+An old but interresting about interview for Mandriva&#39;s tools in perl:<div><a href="http://www.perl.com/pub/2005/02/24/mandrakelinux.html">http://www.perl.com/pub/2005/02/24/mandrakelinux.html</a><div><br clear="all"><br>
+-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div></div>
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+An old but interresting about interview for Mandriva&#39;s tools in perl:<div><a href="http://www.perl.com/pub/2005/02/24/mandrakelinux.html">http://www.perl.com/pub/2005/02/24/mandrakelinux.html</a><div><br clear="all"><br>
+-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 09:08, Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+We were prepared from start to have things to code for the forums.<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s also why a true opensource engine was absolutely needed.<br>
+<br>
+That mean that we will not completely avoid to code some mods.<br>
+<br>
+For security and troll control/containment/education we already knew<br>
+<br>
+For mailing-lists bidge the need is something that we did not anticipate<br>
+but this feature is not likely to change all that&#39;s been done :<br>
+-- this feature is cool and that would be stupid to reject it ihmo<br>
+-- but it&#39;s not a blocking one<br>
+-- we lived long without it (and we can live a little bit longer till<br>
+it&#39;s added)<br></blockquote><div><br>yes <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+We are starting with a basic forum (with a slightly nicer skin than the<br>
+default<br>
+and a few mods and lang packs )<br>
+<br>
+We have set up a low level infrastructure with git </blockquote><div> </div><div>good , can you advertise it, so I can exercise whith git ?<br>I am all for git but have not used it much.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+and other tools to be<br>
+able to hack<br>
+the missing features without without risking to break things or impair<br>
+user experience.<br>
+<br>
+Once tested and approved feature will naturally end in the forum<br>
+(hopefully without issue at all).<br>
+<br>
+The difference is only : we have one more feature to hack than that we<br>
+could anticipate :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Latest m2f 2.0 alpha release works but it is a feature-lacking<br>
+&gt; version. It is being used by some ppl in production sites though, but<br>
+&gt; this is not recommended.<br>
+&gt; AFAIK there are NO mods out there that even get close to m2f 1.2<br>
+&gt; functionality. Not even google/yahoo groups get close<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but the site also says :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The m2f team are seeking new developers to join the project. We need<br>
+&gt; experienced PHP developers who would like to help with the v2.0 redesign,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So : would there be volunteers to help m2f ?<br>
+</div>That could also be a from-scratch developement (and i don&#39;t dismiss the<br>
+option to take parts of fudforum gateway)<br>
+<br>
+Obviously if someone (generous, noble, brilliant and skilled with php<br>
+^^) volunteers to help on that part he/she will be most welcome :)<br></blockquote><div><br>Unfortunately I am not a  php programmer, but I will do what I can to help<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+All the best,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Maât<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 09:08, Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+We were prepared from start to have things to code for the forums.<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s also why a true opensource engine was absolutely needed.<br>
+<br>
+That mean that we will not completely avoid to code some mods.<br>
+<br>
+For security and troll control/containment/education we already knew<br>
+<br>
+For mailing-lists bidge the need is something that we did not anticipate<br>
+but this feature is not likely to change all that&#39;s been done :<br>
+-- this feature is cool and that would be stupid to reject it ihmo<br>
+-- but it&#39;s not a blocking one<br>
+-- we lived long without it (and we can live a little bit longer till<br>
+it&#39;s added)<br></blockquote><div><br>yes <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+We are starting with a basic forum (with a slightly nicer skin than the<br>
+default<br>
+and a few mods and lang packs )<br>
+<br>
+We have set up a low level infrastructure with git </blockquote><div> </div><div>good , can you advertise it, so I can exercise whith git ?<br>I am all for git but have not used it much.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+and other tools to be<br>
+able to hack<br>
+the missing features without without risking to break things or impair<br>
+user experience.<br>
+<br>
+Once tested and approved feature will naturally end in the forum<br>
+(hopefully without issue at all).<br>
+<br>
+The difference is only : we have one more feature to hack than that we<br>
+could anticipate :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Latest m2f 2.0 alpha release works but it is a feature-lacking<br>
+&gt; version. It is being used by some ppl in production sites though, but<br>
+&gt; this is not recommended.<br>
+&gt; AFAIK there are NO mods out there that even get close to m2f 1.2<br>
+&gt; functionality. Not even google/yahoo groups get close<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but the site also says :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The m2f team are seeking new developers to join the project. We need<br>
+&gt; experienced PHP developers who would like to help with the v2.0 redesign,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So : would there be volunteers to help m2f ?<br>
+</div>That could also be a from-scratch developement (and i don&#39;t dismiss the<br>
+option to take parts of fudforum gateway)<br>
+<br>
+Obviously if someone (generous, noble, brilliant and skilled with php<br>
+^^) volunteers to help on that part he/she will be most welcome :)<br></blockquote><div><br>Unfortunately I am not a  php programmer, but I will do what I can to help<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+All the best,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Maât<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/4 Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+&gt; We need to see what is still functional, what is broken (and so what is<br>
+&gt; to repair), and what is to drop. Eventually, what is to support and<br>
+&gt; repair again (printerdrake?) if possible.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; For what I know, there are many tools that work : RPMDrake and related,<br>
+&gt; Drakstats, Diskdrake, Harddrake, DrakX11, Drak3D, DrakUPS, DrakFirewall,<br>
+&gt; DrakGuard (wonderful this one) but may networking tools to share network<br>
+&gt; or use VPN, Samba, NFS, WebDav, and eventually along with Diskdrake, are<br>
+&gt; broken. Others such as Draksnapshot and DrakSamba (not sure if it works<br>
+&gt; or not) are a pain due to insufficient functionalities or<br>
+&gt; outdated/painful GUI. There is a nice theming functionality in the MCC<br>
+&gt; that is also probably broken or difficult to use, that could be restored<br>
+&gt; or explained.<br>
+[...]<br><br></blockquote><div>Drak3d : completly unnecessary today for Compiz (and Metisse seems to be on-stop actually, so no reason to maintain especially for it now)</div><div>DrakDisk : partitionmanager seems to be not ready, not complete actually. gparted and Palimpsest are excellent (especially palimpsest) but DiskDrak stay the g best tool i know today</div>
+</div>DrakGuard : Absolutly wonderfull, a real &quot;plus-value&quot;.<div>Drakups : unnecessary today ?</div><div>Drakfirewall : OK, but maybe integer outpout controll too is a good idea ? (and provide effortless arptables and ebtables looks ambitious ?)</div>
+<div>DrakSambaShare : initially a community addon from Mr Ginies (it think?) : really excellent tool too. But maybe unnecessary today (as draknfs) because desktop integration (and servers have admin)</div><div>Drakbackup and Draksnapshoot : please remove</div>
+<div>DrakFax :  unnecessary today (desktop integration)</div><div>Drakmenustyle : deprecated</div><div>Drackoo : unnecessary today (libreoffice integration)</div><div>Drakpxelinux : too strict on paths to be really used by someone who knows nothing about pxe and mdk/mdv/mga. Please remove.</div>
+<div>Drakvirt : superseeded by Redhat tool.</div><div>Draknet* : please keep it. Best tool today (better than networkmanager for many thinks, and conman seems to be not finished today.) Ambitious to have a knetwaorkmanager port for draknet* ?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Mes two cents.</div><div>Regards.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/4 Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+&gt; We need to see what is still functional, what is broken (and so what is<br>
+&gt; to repair), and what is to drop. Eventually, what is to support and<br>
+&gt; repair again (printerdrake?) if possible.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; For what I know, there are many tools that work : RPMDrake and related,<br>
+&gt; Drakstats, Diskdrake, Harddrake, DrakX11, Drak3D, DrakUPS, DrakFirewall,<br>
+&gt; DrakGuard (wonderful this one) but may networking tools to share network<br>
+&gt; or use VPN, Samba, NFS, WebDav, and eventually along with Diskdrake, are<br>
+&gt; broken. Others such as Draksnapshot and DrakSamba (not sure if it works<br>
+&gt; or not) are a pain due to insufficient functionalities or<br>
+&gt; outdated/painful GUI. There is a nice theming functionality in the MCC<br>
+&gt; that is also probably broken or difficult to use, that could be restored<br>
+&gt; or explained.<br>
+[...]<br><br></blockquote><div>Drak3d : completly unnecessary today for Compiz (and Metisse seems to be on-stop actually, so no reason to maintain especially for it now)</div><div>DrakDisk : partitionmanager seems to be not ready, not complete actually. gparted and Palimpsest are excellent (especially palimpsest) but DiskDrak stay the g best tool i know today</div>
+</div>DrakGuard : Absolutly wonderfull, a real &quot;plus-value&quot;.<div>Drakups : unnecessary today ?</div><div>Drakfirewall : OK, but maybe integer outpout controll too is a good idea ? (and provide effortless arptables and ebtables looks ambitious ?)</div>
+<div>DrakSambaShare : initially a community addon from Mr Ginies (it think?) : really excellent tool too. But maybe unnecessary today (as draknfs) because desktop integration (and servers have admin)</div><div>Drakbackup and Draksnapshoot : please remove</div>
+<div>DrakFax :  unnecessary today (desktop integration)</div><div>Drakmenustyle : deprecated</div><div>Drackoo : unnecessary today (libreoffice integration)</div><div>Drakpxelinux : too strict on paths to be really used by someone who knows nothing about pxe and mdk/mdv/mga. Please remove.</div>
+<div>Drakvirt : superseeded by Redhat tool.</div><div>Draknet* : please keep it. Best tool today (better than networkmanager for many thinks, and conman seems to be not finished today.) Ambitious to have a knetwaorkmanager port for draknet* ?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Mes two cents.</div><div>Regards.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 17:01, Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 04/10/2010 12:53, Frederic Janssens a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; good , can you advertise it, so I can exercise whith git ?<br>
+&gt; I am all for git but have not used it much.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>We will do better than that : we will share our improvements with<br>
+upstream team so that new fresh versions of phpBB come with them<br>
+out-of-the-box :)<br>
+<br>
+So you&#39;ll just have to git clone <a href="http://github.com/phpbb/phpbb3.git" target="_blank">http://github.com/phpbb/phpbb3.git</a><br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Maât<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div>excelent, thanks <br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 17:01, Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 04/10/2010 12:53, Frederic Janssens a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; good , can you advertise it, so I can exercise whith git ?<br>
+&gt; I am all for git but have not used it much.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>We will do better than that : we will share our improvements with<br>
+upstream team so that new fresh versions of phpBB come with them<br>
+out-of-the-box :)<br>
+<br>
+So you&#39;ll just have to git clone <a href="http://github.com/phpbb/phpbb3.git" target="_blank">http://github.com/phpbb/phpbb3.git</a><br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Maât<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div>excelent, thanks <br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+Good news, Maat. <br><br>Unfortunatly we dont choose Citadel, which is completly different but need many adjustement, homebrew, to have what we want. (citadel with ajax wui, perl modules integration, bbs, workgroup rooms, ... ) Unfortunatly ... ;-) :p<br>
+<br>So, stop completion on cooker spot, and link page to this mail, now.<br><br>I stay tuned too<br>
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+Good news, Maat. <br><br>Unfortunatly we dont choose Citadel, which is completly different but need many adjustement, homebrew, to have what we want. (citadel with ajax wui, perl modules integration, bbs, workgroup rooms, ... ) Unfortunatly ... ;-) :p<br>
+<br>So, stop completion on cooker spot, and link page to this mail, now.<br><br>I stay tuned too<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 00:14, Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Nota: Fud has got the very cool mailing list bridge that we should set<br>
+up rather as soon as possible on the official board (but as already said<br>
+this feature still needs to be thought about, discussed by people and<br>
+heavily tested to avoid backfires... considering the current mailing<br>
+lists trafic and the obvious lack of love of some packagers for forums<br>
+this is not something to underestimate)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+=&gt; The survivor is phpBB3 <font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>As far as I know to have a mailing list bridge with  phpBB3 one needs <br>mail2forum 2.0 which is not finished.<br><br clear="all"><a href="http://mail2forum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3574">http://mail2forum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3574</a> <br>
+Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 23:38 <br>    says :<br><br>Hi, the project is out of developers so you could say it is dead.<br>Latest m2f 2.0 alpha release works but it is a feature-lacking version. It is being used by some ppl in production sites though, but this is not recommended.<br>
+AFAIK there are NO mods out there that even get close to m2f 1.2 functionality. Not even google/yahoo groups get close<br><br>but the site also says :<br><br>The m2f team are seeking new developers to join the project. We need 
+experienced PHP developers who would like to help with the v2.0 
+redesign,<br><br>So : would there be volunteers to help m2f ?<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 00:14, Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Nota: Fud has got the very cool mailing list bridge that we should set<br>
+up rather as soon as possible on the official board (but as already said<br>
+this feature still needs to be thought about, discussed by people and<br>
+heavily tested to avoid backfires... considering the current mailing<br>
+lists trafic and the obvious lack of love of some packagers for forums<br>
+this is not something to underestimate)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+=&gt; The survivor is phpBB3 <font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>As far as I know to have a mailing list bridge with  phpBB3 one needs <br>mail2forum 2.0 which is not finished.<br><br clear="all"><a href="http://mail2forum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3574">http://mail2forum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3574</a> <br>
+Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 23:38 <br>    says :<br><br>Hi, the project is out of developers so you could say it is dead.<br>Latest m2f 2.0 alpha release works but it is a feature-lacking version. It is being used by some ppl in production sites though, but this is not recommended.<br>
+AFAIK there are NO mods out there that even get close to m2f 1.2 functionality. Not even google/yahoo groups get close<br><br>but the site also says :<br><br>The m2f team are seeking new developers to join the project. We need 
+experienced PHP developers who would like to help with the v2.0 
+redesign,<br><br>So : would there be volunteers to help m2f ?<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+I liked Wobo&#39;s opinions about Mageia Central.<div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 andré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2010/9/30 andré&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net" target="_blank">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br>
+   <br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The MCC (Mandriva Control Centre, to become Mageia Control Centre) already<br>
+has most if not all the hardware configuration elements.<br>
+How about adding an information page to the MCC ?<br>
+     <br>
+</blockquote>
+More like a Documentation&amp;Help section like the other sections. You<br>
+can have an icon for the main Mageia site, one for the local wiki page<br>
+according to the selected language, one for the local forum, etc.<br>
+whatever fits in there.<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Exactly.<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+You can even add an icon for the donation page :)<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Good point.<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+This is IMHO the most attraccting idea I have read so far. Then the<br>
+MCC should be renamed to &quot;Mageia Central&quot;. Like a one-stop shopping<br>
+mall for configuration, information and help.<br>
+____<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+&quot;Mageia Central&quot; has a nice ring to it.  And sums it up nicely. :)<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+- André (andre999)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+I liked Wobo&#39;s opinions about Mageia Central.<div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 andré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2010/9/30 andré&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net" target="_blank">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br>
+   <br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The MCC (Mandriva Control Centre, to become Mageia Control Centre) already<br>
+has most if not all the hardware configuration elements.<br>
+How about adding an information page to the MCC ?<br>
+     <br>
+</blockquote>
+More like a Documentation&amp;Help section like the other sections. You<br>
+can have an icon for the main Mageia site, one for the local wiki page<br>
+according to the selected language, one for the local forum, etc.<br>
+whatever fits in there.<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Exactly.<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+You can even add an icon for the donation page :)<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Good point.<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+This is IMHO the most attraccting idea I have read so far. Then the<br>
+MCC should be renamed to &quot;Mageia Central&quot;. Like a one-stop shopping<br>
+mall for configuration, information and help.<br>
+____<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+&quot;Mageia Central&quot; has a nice ring to it.  And sums it up nicely. :)<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+- André (andre999)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Now it&#39;s <a href="http://mageia.org/press/faq/">http://mageia.org/press/faq/</a> it should be <a href="http://mageia.org/en/faq/">http://mageia.org/en/faq/</a><br><br>Also <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a> link is missing on some pages. For example <a href="http://mageia.org/en/">http://mageia.org/en/</a>.<br>
+<br>I know it&#39;s temporary but I think it&#39;s still important.<br><br>Thanks to all contributors and especially to starters of this great project,<br>Filip.<br>
+	
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+Now it&#39;s <a href="http://mageia.org/press/faq/">http://mageia.org/press/faq/</a> it should be <a href="http://mageia.org/en/faq/">http://mageia.org/en/faq/</a><br><br>Also <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a> link is missing on some pages. For example <a href="http://mageia.org/en/">http://mageia.org/en/</a>.<br>
+<br>I know it&#39;s temporary but I think it&#39;s still important.<br><br>Thanks to all contributors and especially to starters of this great project,<br>Filip.<br>
+	
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I&#39;m just wondering if we follow Mandriva&#39;s release cycle model. Every<br>
+6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br>
+make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won&#39;t<br>
+be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like<br>
+systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a<br>
+year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors<br>
+space waste.<br>
+<br>
+One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva&#39;s release naming scheme? I.e. do<br>
+we call our first release 2011.x ? I don&#39;t like this naming scheme and<br>
+suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using<br>
+code names.<br>
+<br>
+What&#39;s your opinion?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi all.</div><div><br></div><div>At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake&#39;s community  what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about community preferences.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>We must keep on mind we&#39;re creating a user-oriented distro, so we must be stay in touch about their preferences.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I&#39;m just wondering if we follow Mandriva&#39;s release cycle model. Every<br>
+6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br>
+make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won&#39;t<br>
+be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like<br>
+systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a<br>
+year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors<br>
+space waste.<br>
+<br>
+One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva&#39;s release naming scheme? I.e. do<br>
+we call our first release 2011.x ? I don&#39;t like this naming scheme and<br>
+suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using<br>
+code names.<br>
+<br>
+What&#39;s your opinion?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi all.</div><div><br></div><div>At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake&#39;s community  what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about community preferences.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>We must keep on mind we&#39;re creating a user-oriented distro, so we must be stay in touch about their preferences.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">* Buchan Milne (<a href="mailto:bgmilne@multilinks.com">bgmilne@multilinks.com</a>) wrote:<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 23:39:09 Tux99 wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; 3) I mentioned earlier that the packager would need to use good<br>
+&gt; &gt; judgement and not include major incompatible version changes<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You are aware that this is significantly more work than &#39;mdvsys submit -t<br>
+&gt; 2010.1 --define section=main/backports $package&#39; (after some minimal testing of<br>
+&gt; course)?<br>
+<br>
+</div>This part of the discuss let me think something.<br>
+<br>
+We have both some people wanting huge set of backport and other wanting<br>
+long life release w/o change except security/bug fix.<br>
+<br>
+So, why not alternate both, 1 release with backports denied but long<br>
+life, and the 2nd with backports and update but during a shorter period.<br>
+(X.0 would be the new distro with backports, X.1 the one more servers<br>
+oriented or enterprise).<br>
+<br>
+What do you think ?<br>
+<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote><div><font color="#888888"><br>i am not pro this, i think this is better to have the same policy for all the releases.</font> </div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">* Buchan Milne (<a href="mailto:bgmilne@multilinks.com">bgmilne@multilinks.com</a>) wrote:<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 23:39:09 Tux99 wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; 3) I mentioned earlier that the packager would need to use good<br>
+&gt; &gt; judgement and not include major incompatible version changes<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You are aware that this is significantly more work than &#39;mdvsys submit -t<br>
+&gt; 2010.1 --define section=main/backports $package&#39; (after some minimal testing of<br>
+&gt; course)?<br>
+<br>
+</div>This part of the discuss let me think something.<br>
+<br>
+We have both some people wanting huge set of backport and other wanting<br>
+long life release w/o change except security/bug fix.<br>
+<br>
+So, why not alternate both, 1 release with backports denied but long<br>
+life, and the 2nd with backports and update but during a shorter period.<br>
+(X.0 would be the new distro with backports, X.1 the one more servers<br>
+oriented or enterprise).<br>
+<br>
+What do you think ?<br>
+<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote><div><font color="#888888"><br>i am not pro this, i think this is better to have the same policy for all the releases.</font> </div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+If you have ever tried to rebuild/package the whole OOo, then you wouldn&#39;t<br>
+put that out so lightly. Ahmad really has a point there. Full OOo takes up to 24<br>
+hours building time and space requirements are in the region of 20-35 GB IIRC<br>
+on a desktop machine.<br>
+<br>
+...<br>
+<br>
+BTW, i&#39;m all for LibreOffice!<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Florian Hubold<br>
+</font></blockquote><br></div>What kind of desktop machine (i.e. CPU, RAM specs)?<br>I&#39;m with LibreOffice too (has similar story to Mageia after all ;)).<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+If you have ever tried to rebuild/package the whole OOo, then you wouldn&#39;t<br>
+put that out so lightly. Ahmad really has a point there. Full OOo takes up to 24<br>
+hours building time and space requirements are in the region of 20-35 GB IIRC<br>
+on a desktop machine.<br>
+<br>
+...<br>
+<br>
+BTW, i&#39;m all for LibreOffice!<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Florian Hubold<br>
+</font></blockquote><br></div>What kind of desktop machine (i.e. CPU, RAM specs)?<br>I&#39;m with LibreOffice too (has similar story to Mageia after all ;)).<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>I&#39;d prefered as it is now in Mandriva, a release every 6 months (or 8 months) and backports/testing repos availiable, to have new versions of programs, drivers etc<br>
+<br clear="all"><br><div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>I&#39;d prefered as it is now in Mandriva, a release every 6 months (or 8 months) and backports/testing repos availiable, to have new versions of programs, drivers etc<br>
+<br clear="all"><br><div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Kira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:14:46 +0800, Ahmad Samir &lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;寫�:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+IMHO, even for kde4 Konqueror shouldn&#39;t be the default web browser, it<br>
+has a lot of quirks. Experienced users who want to use anything other<br>
+than the defaults do so all the time; the &quot;defaults&quot; only apply for<br>
+new users (until they gain enough experience and start customising<br>
+too).<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Might be my prejudice, but Konqueror don&#39;t fit into daily usage,<br>
+<br>
+after all in the default setting there&#39;s Firefox as default browser and<br>
+<br>
+Konqueror lacks certain functionality which makes it hard to use.<br>
+<br>
+May be remove it from the default set the KDE4 installation set?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>For KDE, probably better choice is Rekonq now?</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Kira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:14:46 +0800, Ahmad Samir &lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;寫�:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+IMHO, even for kde4 Konqueror shouldn&#39;t be the default web browser, it<br>
+has a lot of quirks. Experienced users who want to use anything other<br>
+than the defaults do so all the time; the &quot;defaults&quot; only apply for<br>
+new users (until they gain enough experience and start customising<br>
+too).<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Might be my prejudice, but Konqueror don&#39;t fit into daily usage,<br>
+<br>
+after all in the default setting there&#39;s Firefox as default browser and<br>
+<br>
+Konqueror lacks certain functionality which makes it hard to use.<br>
+<br>
+May be remove it from the default set the KDE4 installation set?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>For KDE, probably better choice is Rekonq now?</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 2010-10-06 17:10, vfmBOFH a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+<br>
+<br>
+2010/10/1 atilla ontas<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a><br></div>
+&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+    I&#39;m just wondering if we follow Mandriva&#39;s release cycle model. Every<br>
+    6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br>
+    make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won&#39;t<br>
+    be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like<br>
+    systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a<br>
+    year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors<br>
+    space waste.<br>
+<br>
+    One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva&#39;s release naming scheme? I.e. do<br>
+    we call our first release 2011.x ? I don&#39;t like this naming scheme and<br>
+    suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using<br>
+    code names.<br>
+<br>
+    What&#39;s your opinion?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Hi all.<br>
+<br>
+At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake&#39;s community<br>
+  what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active<br>
+until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about<br>
+community preferences.<br>
+<br>
+We must keep on mind we&#39;re creating a user-oriented distro, so we must<br>
+be stay in touch about their preferences.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+<br>
+Where is the survey?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Sorry, the word is &quot;poll&quot; :P</div><div><br></div><div>Blogdrake is the mandriva&#39;s oficial spanish-spoken forum.</div><div><br></div><div>You can find the poll at the frontpage: <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 2010-10-06 17:10, vfmBOFH a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+<br>
+<br>
+2010/10/1 atilla ontas<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a><br></div>
+&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+    I&#39;m just wondering if we follow Mandriva&#39;s release cycle model. Every<br>
+    6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br>
+    make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won&#39;t<br>
+    be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like<br>
+    systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a<br>
+    year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors<br>
+    space waste.<br>
+<br>
+    One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva&#39;s release naming scheme? I.e. do<br>
+    we call our first release 2011.x ? I don&#39;t like this naming scheme and<br>
+    suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using<br>
+    code names.<br>
+<br>
+    What&#39;s your opinion?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Hi all.<br>
+<br>
+At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake&#39;s community<br>
+  what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active<br>
+until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about<br>
+community preferences.<br>
+<br>
+We must keep on mind we&#39;re creating a user-oriented distro, so we must<br>
+be stay in touch about their preferences.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+<br>
+Where is the survey?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Sorry, the word is &quot;poll&quot; :P</div><div><br></div><div>Blogdrake is the mandriva&#39;s oficial spanish-spoken forum.</div><div><br></div><div>You can find the poll at the frontpage: <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Kira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:29:25 +0800, Ahmad Samir &lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;寫�:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+No, konqueror is still useful as a file manager (some users don&#39;t like<br>
+dolphin for some  reason), also as a man pages viewer. Also it shares<br>
+some code with dolphin (some stuff/features don&#39;t work in dolphin if<br>
+konqueror isn&#39;t installed).<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+That part of code should be split as independent share package, isn&#39;t it?<br>
+<br>
+Also, is it possible to use other browsers to do the same job? I think<br>
+<br>
+Konqueror should only in the full task package set you install kde4 (task-kde4),<br>
+<br>
+not in the core task package set (task-kde4-minimal).<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager and browser. May be for others too<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Kira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:29:25 +0800, Ahmad Samir &lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;寫�:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+No, konqueror is still useful as a file manager (some users don&#39;t like<br>
+dolphin for some  reason), also as a man pages viewer. Also it shares<br>
+some code with dolphin (some stuff/features don&#39;t work in dolphin if<br>
+konqueror isn&#39;t installed).<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+That part of code should be split as independent share package, isn&#39;t it?<br>
+<br>
+Also, is it possible to use other browsers to do the same job? I think<br>
+<br>
+Konqueror should only in the full task package set you install kde4 (task-kde4),<br>
+<br>
+not in the core task package set (task-kde4-minimal).<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager and browser. May be for others too<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+I think that I read somewhere that Mandriva <i>started </i>as KDE centric. AFAIK, Gnome, KDE and some other popular DE are supported and Mandriva spent an important effort to make them look alike from the main menu and other customizations point of view.<br>
+As file browsers I like Dolphin, Konqueror and I use Krusader a lot.<br>As internet browser, Firefox is my favorite, although I use Opera occasionally (it&#39;s ergonomic, free but not open sourced). I would like to see Firefox having Chrome&#39;s architecture (each tab in its process) and less memory consumer (this is due to plugins too - the pluggable architecture is what makes me stick with it).<br>
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+I think that I read somewhere that Mandriva <i>started </i>as KDE centric. AFAIK, Gnome, KDE and some other popular DE are supported and Mandriva spent an important effort to make them look alike from the main menu and other customizations point of view.<br>
+As file browsers I like Dolphin, Konqueror and I use Krusader a lot.<br>As internet browser, Firefox is my favorite, although I use Opera occasionally (it&#39;s ergonomic, free but not open sourced). I would like to see Firefox having Chrome&#39;s architecture (each tab in its process) and less memory consumer (this is due to plugins too - the pluggable architecture is what makes me stick with it).<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 vfmBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+I&#39;m just wondering if we follow Mandriva&#39;s release cycle model. Every<br>
+6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br>
+make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won&#39;t<br>
+be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like<br>
+systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a<br>
+year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors<br>
+space waste.<br>
+<br>
+One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva&#39;s release naming scheme? I.e. do<br>
+we call our first release 2011.x ? I don&#39;t like this naming scheme and<br>
+suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using<br>
+code names.<br>
+<br>
+What&#39;s your opinion?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi all.</div><div><br></div><div>At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake&#39;s community  what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about community preferences.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>We must keep on mind we&#39;re creating a user-oriented distro, so we must be stay in touch about their preferences.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hi all again.<br><br>As i said, there&#39;s the results of the poll published in Blogdrake:<br><br>58% of votes are for maintain the same mandriva&#39;s release cycle scheme (same scheme, not parallel releases) There are several opinions about the periodicity of the releases: six months, eight months, annual... all options are more or less the same level of preference.<br>
+<br>24% has chosen the &quot;Rolling-light&quot; model. as in the traditional model, there are opinions that support the annual release, six months or eight months. But this option, is dominated by the annual release of the &quot;core&quot;.<br>
+<br>15% supports the &quot;pure-Rolling&quot; model. There&#39;s nothing to say about release dates.<br><br>Surprisingly, there is also a minority support to a model similar to the &quot;Debian way&quot;. I must confess that this last option on the poll was started as a joke, because Blogdrake&#39;s members often suffer &quot;versionitis&quot;. But there are the votes (3%)...<br>
+<br>So, these are the results of the survey. Apparently, the Blogdrake&#39;s community is closer to a model &quot;release + backports&quot;.<br><br>I think it should be noted (as far as possible) the preferences of the community, in addition to technical and logistical constraints. Maybe with similar polls in other local communities?<br>
+<br>Cheers.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 vfmBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+I&#39;m just wondering if we follow Mandriva&#39;s release cycle model. Every<br>
+6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should<br>
+make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won&#39;t<br>
+be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like<br>
+systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a<br>
+year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors<br>
+space waste.<br>
+<br>
+One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva&#39;s release naming scheme? I.e. do<br>
+we call our first release 2011.x ? I don&#39;t like this naming scheme and<br>
+suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using<br>
+code names.<br>
+<br>
+What&#39;s your opinion?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi all.</div><div><br></div><div>At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake&#39;s community  what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about community preferences.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>We must keep on mind we&#39;re creating a user-oriented distro, so we must be stay in touch about their preferences.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hi all again.<br><br>As i said, there&#39;s the results of the poll published in Blogdrake:<br><br>58% of votes are for maintain the same mandriva&#39;s release cycle scheme (same scheme, not parallel releases) There are several opinions about the periodicity of the releases: six months, eight months, annual... all options are more or less the same level of preference.<br>
+<br>24% has chosen the &quot;Rolling-light&quot; model. as in the traditional model, there are opinions that support the annual release, six months or eight months. But this option, is dominated by the annual release of the &quot;core&quot;.<br>
+<br>15% supports the &quot;pure-Rolling&quot; model. There&#39;s nothing to say about release dates.<br><br>Surprisingly, there is also a minority support to a model similar to the &quot;Debian way&quot;. I must confess that this last option on the poll was started as a joke, because Blogdrake&#39;s members often suffer &quot;versionitis&quot;. But there are the votes (3%)...<br>
+<br>So, these are the results of the survey. Apparently, the Blogdrake&#39;s community is closer to a model &quot;release + backports&quot;.<br><br>I think it should be noted (as far as possible) the preferences of the community, in addition to technical and logistical constraints. Maybe with similar polls in other local communities?<br>
+<br>Cheers.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/11 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/10/11 vfmBOFH &lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think it should be noted (as far as possible) the preferences of the<br>
+&gt; community, in addition to technical and logistical constraints. Maybe with<br>
+&gt; similar polls in other local communities?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Will do in MandrivaUser.de because I also think it is important to ask<br>
+the community.<br>
+But I&#39;m also aware that the result will not be near the real opinion<br>
+of the community. The percentage of active members of the community is<br>
+quite small, so the result of a poll will be only that of a small<br>
+percentage of the community. I think the technical and logistic<br>
+reasons and benefits/constraints may be much stronger advocates of one<br>
+or the other release system.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I agree.<br><br>But, despite it&#39;s a small precentage, it&#39;s a percentage of the &quot;actual&quot; and &quot;active&quot; members of the community.<br><br>BTW, some of blogdrake&#39;s voters is a former user / admin who was MIA for three years or so. Don&#39;t underestimate the interest generated by mageia&#39;s project :)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/11 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/10/11 vfmBOFH &lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think it should be noted (as far as possible) the preferences of the<br>
+&gt; community, in addition to technical and logistical constraints. Maybe with<br>
+&gt; similar polls in other local communities?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Will do in MandrivaUser.de because I also think it is important to ask<br>
+the community.<br>
+But I&#39;m also aware that the result will not be near the real opinion<br>
+of the community. The percentage of active members of the community is<br>
+quite small, so the result of a poll will be only that of a small<br>
+percentage of the community. I think the technical and logistic<br>
+reasons and benefits/constraints may be much stronger advocates of one<br>
+or the other release system.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I agree.<br><br>But, despite it&#39;s a small precentage, it&#39;s a percentage of the &quot;actual&quot; and &quot;active&quot; members of the community.<br><br>BTW, some of blogdrake&#39;s voters is a former user / admin who was MIA for three years or so. Don&#39;t underestimate the interest generated by mageia&#39;s project :)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/15 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+</blockquote><div> </div></div>I agree.<div>it is a misuse of the word &quot;user&quot;.</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/15 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+</blockquote><div> </div></div>I agree.<div>it is a misuse of the word &quot;user&quot;.</div>
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+Hello list :)<div><br></div><div>I now it&#39;s impossible to stop discussion for me, so i could only post my personnal point of view.</div><div><br></div><div>First:</div><div>I am Libre software user.</div><div>I am pragmatic.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Then :</div><div>Please not use any non-free (as libre) software into Mageia distribution or repository. Never. </div><div>There is, however, a very strict frontier : we could only include hardware imperative necessity, such as firmware for network cards.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>No nonfree drivers when free equivalent are possibles, no flash, no nonfree browser, no patent-troll tech : anything but free. And only exception for no-equivalent firmware hardware support.</div><div>
+<br></div><div>###</div><div><br></div><div>Another point of view, on repo orga now :</div><div>This is not Europe of supporting U.S. patents.</div><div>But the U.S. repo sysadmin to be able to comply with law og their own countries.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think all non-free could be supported directly by users and accessibles through &quot;users repo&quot;. Not in (only one please) Mageia Repo. And Users Repo could contains drivers, patent-troll techno, flash, etc, in additon with more classicals softwares into &quot;users repo&quot;.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>benefits :</div><div>Free for all</div><div>Keep Mageia Free as Libre.</div><div>Dont block Mageia install due to firmware cause. Important to have easy-as-possible hardware support.</div><div>Open second repo for users, and give reasons in donate non-free softwares to users support.</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div>
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+Hello list :)<div><br></div><div>I now it&#39;s impossible to stop discussion for me, so i could only post my personnal point of view.</div><div><br></div><div>First:</div><div>I am Libre software user.</div><div>I am pragmatic.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Then :</div><div>Please not use any non-free (as libre) software into Mageia distribution or repository. Never. </div><div>There is, however, a very strict frontier : we could only include hardware imperative necessity, such as firmware for network cards.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>No nonfree drivers when free equivalent are possibles, no flash, no nonfree browser, no patent-troll tech : anything but free. And only exception for no-equivalent firmware hardware support.</div><div>
+<br></div><div>###</div><div><br></div><div>Another point of view, on repo orga now :</div><div>This is not Europe of supporting U.S. patents.</div><div>But the U.S. repo sysadmin to be able to comply with law og their own countries.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think all non-free could be supported directly by users and accessibles through &quot;users repo&quot;. Not in (only one please) Mageia Repo. And Users Repo could contains drivers, patent-troll techno, flash, etc, in additon with more classicals softwares into &quot;users repo&quot;.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>benefits :</div><div>Free for all</div><div>Keep Mageia Free as Libre.</div><div>Dont block Mageia install due to firmware cause. Important to have easy-as-possible hardware support.</div><div>Open second repo for users, and give reasons in donate non-free softwares to users support.</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 21:52, Renaud MICHEL <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I think it may work if those &quot;bug friends&quot; (don&#39;t remember who proposed that<br>
+name) only take for themselves the simple, one package, software only bugs,<br>
+and suggest to the reporter to create himself a bugreport (eventually<br>
+providing assistance if the reporter has never done it before) </blockquote><div> </div><div>yes, it is mainly there that &#39;help with followup&#39; is needed.<br>If that help is well done, a certain number of the helped could become helpers later on.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">describing<br>
+his problem, because the devs will really need his feedback first hand.<br>
+That forum would be an easier entry point than bugzilla for users not<br>
+familiar with bugreports.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Renaud Michel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 21:52, Renaud MICHEL <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I think it may work if those &quot;bug friends&quot; (don&#39;t remember who proposed that<br>
+name) only take for themselves the simple, one package, software only bugs,<br>
+and suggest to the reporter to create himself a bugreport (eventually<br>
+providing assistance if the reporter has never done it before) </blockquote><div> </div><div>yes, it is mainly there that &#39;help with followup&#39; is needed.<br>If that help is well done, a certain number of the helped could become helpers later on.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">describing<br>
+his problem, because the devs will really need his feedback first hand.<br>
+That forum would be an easier entry point than bugzilla for users not<br>
+familiar with bugreports.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Renaud Michel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/15 Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">Tux99 wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As mirror maintainer/owner of Mandriva Linux and future Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://ftp.mandrivauser.de" target="_blank">ftp.mandrivauser.de</a>) I discussed this problem with my friends and we<br>
+&gt;&gt; decided not to mirror PLF although a German university does<br>
+&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://ftp.gwdg.de" target="_blank">ftp.gwdg.de</a>). The point is that our mirror is hosted on a private<br>
+&gt;&gt; server where just one person is liable (me, unfortunately). But we<br>&gt; wobo, I perfectly understand your reasons<br>
+<br>
+</div>IANAL, but as far as I know U.S. law exempts hosting sites from<br>
+liability for things coming from the outside, provided they take the<br>
+offending material down if the content owner requests it.<br>
+<br>
+Now, there are some differences between that situation and this one.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>well, this issue cannot be thought only from a user point of view that can assume which mirror he chooses to install from and assume the risk of using the software.</div><div><br></div><div>
+As misc stated it, this is the responsibility of the association, who is subject to international treaties in the end, first responsibilities being taken by local mirror who will be taking counsel upstream. I&#39;ve followed debian-legal for more than 6 months in 2005/2006 and remembered one thing: the only responsibility you take is choosing to *distribute* something that can impact others with your _knowing_ that it will impact them ; we can&#39;t take the responsibility for not knowing and we should manage questions/requests/DMCA requests with a published and understood management of the issue (some requests are out of topic or not relevant, it exists as well).</div>
+<div>Hence, it&#39;s the responsibility of upstream distribution to have a clear policy (that means us), if possible. Some do not mind, some like debian or RedHat take it the paranoid^Wcollaborative way (think  rpmfusion, marillat repositories or plf if you understand the personnal implications).</div>
+<div>ATM, it&#39;s important imho to document the state of the art, acting as a responsible new distribution, seeking advice and opinions (some of us alluded to fsf or fsfe, if Eben Moglen were to give us a go I will follow him of course). Provision to address legal problems is a sane state of mind, as long as it&#39;s realistic and balances pros and cons.</div>
+<div>So, just for the moment, do not take reserves as &quot;won&#39;t go&quot; but as &quot;not ready to assume&quot;, please provide as much information to enhance the current situation and build the better distribution for our users, based on factual references.</div>
+<div>I try to follow it up with a global context at <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/Blog20101002MageiaLegalManagement">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/Blog20101002MageiaLegalManagement</a> and specific difficulties regarding distribution at <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/Blog20101013MageiaLegallyGreyPackages">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/Blog20101013MageiaLegallyGreyPackages</a> (feel free to comment or update, as it&#39;s a wiki, remain factual and documented though).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div></div><br>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/15 Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">Tux99 wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As mirror maintainer/owner of Mandriva Linux and future Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://ftp.mandrivauser.de" target="_blank">ftp.mandrivauser.de</a>) I discussed this problem with my friends and we<br>
+&gt;&gt; decided not to mirror PLF although a German university does<br>
+&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://ftp.gwdg.de" target="_blank">ftp.gwdg.de</a>). The point is that our mirror is hosted on a private<br>
+&gt;&gt; server where just one person is liable (me, unfortunately). But we<br>&gt; wobo, I perfectly understand your reasons<br>
+<br>
+</div>IANAL, but as far as I know U.S. law exempts hosting sites from<br>
+liability for things coming from the outside, provided they take the<br>
+offending material down if the content owner requests it.<br>
+<br>
+Now, there are some differences between that situation and this one.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>well, this issue cannot be thought only from a user point of view that can assume which mirror he chooses to install from and assume the risk of using the software.</div><div><br></div><div>
+As misc stated it, this is the responsibility of the association, who is subject to international treaties in the end, first responsibilities being taken by local mirror who will be taking counsel upstream. I&#39;ve followed debian-legal for more than 6 months in 2005/2006 and remembered one thing: the only responsibility you take is choosing to *distribute* something that can impact others with your _knowing_ that it will impact them ; we can&#39;t take the responsibility for not knowing and we should manage questions/requests/DMCA requests with a published and understood management of the issue (some requests are out of topic or not relevant, it exists as well).</div>
+<div>Hence, it&#39;s the responsibility of upstream distribution to have a clear policy (that means us), if possible. Some do not mind, some like debian or RedHat take it the paranoid^Wcollaborative way (think  rpmfusion, marillat repositories or plf if you understand the personnal implications).</div>
+<div>ATM, it&#39;s important imho to document the state of the art, acting as a responsible new distribution, seeking advice and opinions (some of us alluded to fsf or fsfe, if Eben Moglen were to give us a go I will follow him of course). Provision to address legal problems is a sane state of mind, as long as it&#39;s realistic and balances pros and cons.</div>
+<div>So, just for the moment, do not take reserves as &quot;won&#39;t go&quot; but as &quot;not ready to assume&quot;, please provide as much information to enhance the current situation and build the better distribution for our users, based on factual references.</div>
+<div>I try to follow it up with a global context at <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/Blog20101002MageiaLegalManagement">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/Blog20101002MageiaLegalManagement</a> and specific difficulties regarding distribution at <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/Blog20101013MageiaLegallyGreyPackages">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/Blog20101013MageiaLegallyGreyPackages</a> (feel free to comment or update, as it&#39;s a wiki, remain factual and documented though).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+* core<br>
+  - enabled by default<br>
+  - mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror<br>
+  - only free/libre stuff as described by FSF / OSI<br>
+  - must be selfcontained<br>
+<br>
+* nonfree<br>
+  - disabled by default, installer will ask to enable it if<br>
+    it detects hw that need driver/fw from here<br>
+  - mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror<br>
+  - contains apps/drivers/firmware that are free to redistribute<br>
+    but we dont have redistributable source for<br>
+  - for example: ati/nvidia drivers/firmware, Oracle Java,<br>
+    Adobe stuff we might get redistribution permission for<br>
+<br>
+* tainted<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+  - mirrors are free to not mirror this media ( ? )<br>
+  - stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some<br>
+    patent issues or other legal restrictions<br>
+  - what belongs / is allowed here must still be discussed<br>
+<br>
+* debug_core<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+  - debug rpms for core<br>
+<br>
+* debug_nonfree<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+  - debug rpms for nonfree<br>
+<br>
+* debug_tainted<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+  - debug rpms for tainted<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Every media contains the same layout:<br>
+<br>
+* backports<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+<br>
+* backports_testing<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+<br>
+* release<br>
+  - disabled by default on nonfree, installer will ask to enable<br>
+    it if it detects hw that need driver/fw from here<br>
+  - disabled by default on tainted, debug_core, debug_nonfree,<br>
+    debug_tainted<br>
+<br>
+* updates<br>
+  - disabled by default on nonfree, installer will ask to enable<br>
+    it if it detects hw that need driver/fw from here<br>
+  - disabled by default on tainted, debug_core, debug_nonfree,<br>
+    debug_tainted<br>
+<br>
+* updates_testing<br>
+  - disabled by default<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>The Scheme sounds good. One only suggestion from my side, i would enable the updates once the repositories are enabled.<br>For Example if I enable the non-free Repos i would like also to get the Updates for them. or maybe only security fixes and enable the other updates manually would be ok.<br>
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+* core<br>
+  - enabled by default<br>
+  - mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror<br>
+  - only free/libre stuff as described by FSF / OSI<br>
+  - must be selfcontained<br>
+<br>
+* nonfree<br>
+  - disabled by default, installer will ask to enable it if<br>
+    it detects hw that need driver/fw from here<br>
+  - mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror<br>
+  - contains apps/drivers/firmware that are free to redistribute<br>
+    but we dont have redistributable source for<br>
+  - for example: ati/nvidia drivers/firmware, Oracle Java,<br>
+    Adobe stuff we might get redistribution permission for<br>
+<br>
+* tainted<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+  - mirrors are free to not mirror this media ( ? )<br>
+  - stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some<br>
+    patent issues or other legal restrictions<br>
+  - what belongs / is allowed here must still be discussed<br>
+<br>
+* debug_core<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+  - debug rpms for core<br>
+<br>
+* debug_nonfree<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+  - debug rpms for nonfree<br>
+<br>
+* debug_tainted<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+  - debug rpms for tainted<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Every media contains the same layout:<br>
+<br>
+* backports<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+<br>
+* backports_testing<br>
+  - disabled by default<br>
+<br>
+* release<br>
+  - disabled by default on nonfree, installer will ask to enable<br>
+    it if it detects hw that need driver/fw from here<br>
+  - disabled by default on tainted, debug_core, debug_nonfree,<br>
+    debug_tainted<br>
+<br>
+* updates<br>
+  - disabled by default on nonfree, installer will ask to enable<br>
+    it if it detects hw that need driver/fw from here<br>
+  - disabled by default on tainted, debug_core, debug_nonfree,<br>
+    debug_tainted<br>
+<br>
+* updates_testing<br>
+  - disabled by default<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>The Scheme sounds good. One only suggestion from my side, i would enable the updates once the repositories are enabled.<br>For Example if I enable the non-free Repos i would like also to get the Updates for them. or maybe only security fixes and enable the other updates manually would be ok.<br>
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/1 Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Op dinsdag 30 november 2010 13:31:08 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I would like to discuss the support policy for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It would be interesting to know (or decide) where Mageia is heading, given<br>
+&gt; our limited resources : 1) focus on stability and security : few very well<br>
+&gt; equally supported packages. Apparently, this is where we&#39;re going for now.<br>
+&gt;  May be wise as a start, but I hope this is not our final destination,<br>
+&gt; because it means either very limited choice, or progressive diminution of<br>
+&gt; quality of support if the number of packages increases faster than the<br>
+&gt; dedicated resources. 2) focus on choice : many packages, but no support<br>
+&gt; policy. This would be really bad, I think we&#39;re not heading there, from<br>
+&gt; what I read. However, this is a danger if we start from option 1) and then<br>
+&gt; open wide the gates for importing packages, without setting a support<br>
+&gt; policy. 3) focus on both (this is my option). There would be 2 levels of<br>
+&gt; support : - top guaranteed support : those are the (few at start) packages<br>
+&gt; your can rely on almost blindly, they&#39;ll be updated in a timely manner,<br>
+&gt; and updates don&#39;t break things. Those are the packages the QA Team puts<br>
+&gt; its limited resources on (doesn&#39;t mean the QA Team provides the support<br>
+&gt; themselves, this is maintainer work, but they check that good support is<br>
+&gt; provided) : testing, helping the maintainers to watch for security<br>
+&gt; problems... The maintainers are responsible for their package, but the QA<br>
+&gt; Team double-checks updates for stable releases. - supported packages<br>
+&gt; (every other package) : those are maintained packages, however the QA Team<br>
+&gt; doesn&#39;t have to check them. It&#39;s up to the maintainer to check the package<br>
+&gt; and updates quality. - unsupported packages are dropped.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Are we heading for 1), 2), 3), or any other option ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Of course, with unlimited resources, options 1 and 3 would be equivalent,<br>
+&gt; everything would have the &quot;top guaranteed support&quot; :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Best regards<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Samuel Verschelde<br>
+&gt; Packager/QA Team/User<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+having read misc&#39;s lenghty and almost political proposal, i suggest a 4th<br>
+option (even though i&#39;m not part of QAteam either):<br>
+<br>
+4) dynamically distributed focus:<br>
+- level 1: BuildSystem-required packages (all packages used for buildnodes)<br>
+- level 2: everything that is minimally required to boot and do stuff<br>
+- level 3: popular server packages<br>
+- level 4: release focus (everything that&#39;s defaultly installed by a release)<br>
+- level 4b: stage images<br>
+- level 5: the rest<br>
+<br>
+depending on resources and certain timings; focus should be spread according<br>
+to desires at that time.<br>
+<br>
+eg:<br>
+- i imagine that level 1 could be discussed between sysadm and qateam during<br>
+BS-updates<br>
+- i imagine that level 2 would be the primary focus<br>
+- i imagine that level 4 could be more important during release times<br>
+- i imagine that level 5 would probably not be focussed by QA unless unlimited<br>
+resources<br>
+- i imagine that level 3 would probably be good if resources would be growing,<br>
+and possibly level 4 if there&#39;s enough resources.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+- i agree that testing should be open to anyone<br>
+- i agree that karma could not be a bad idea, but suggest that QAteam give<br>
+more karma (perhaps even on the karmic state of that person)<br>
+- i also would suggest that at the time of alpha release, we should do a<br>
+contest on testing and bugfinding; so that we could gather enough testers; and<br>
+possibly even extra packagers or qateam people.<br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Option 4 sounds good, it also shows a little bit the responsibilities of each team.<br>I would like to add a level 3b which differs between server-only and desktop.<br><br><br>-- <br>
+Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/1 Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Op dinsdag 30 november 2010 13:31:08 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I would like to discuss the support policy for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It would be interesting to know (or decide) where Mageia is heading, given<br>
+&gt; our limited resources : 1) focus on stability and security : few very well<br>
+&gt; equally supported packages. Apparently, this is where we&#39;re going for now.<br>
+&gt;  May be wise as a start, but I hope this is not our final destination,<br>
+&gt; because it means either very limited choice, or progressive diminution of<br>
+&gt; quality of support if the number of packages increases faster than the<br>
+&gt; dedicated resources. 2) focus on choice : many packages, but no support<br>
+&gt; policy. This would be really bad, I think we&#39;re not heading there, from<br>
+&gt; what I read. However, this is a danger if we start from option 1) and then<br>
+&gt; open wide the gates for importing packages, without setting a support<br>
+&gt; policy. 3) focus on both (this is my option). There would be 2 levels of<br>
+&gt; support : - top guaranteed support : those are the (few at start) packages<br>
+&gt; your can rely on almost blindly, they&#39;ll be updated in a timely manner,<br>
+&gt; and updates don&#39;t break things. Those are the packages the QA Team puts<br>
+&gt; its limited resources on (doesn&#39;t mean the QA Team provides the support<br>
+&gt; themselves, this is maintainer work, but they check that good support is<br>
+&gt; provided) : testing, helping the maintainers to watch for security<br>
+&gt; problems... The maintainers are responsible for their package, but the QA<br>
+&gt; Team double-checks updates for stable releases. - supported packages<br>
+&gt; (every other package) : those are maintained packages, however the QA Team<br>
+&gt; doesn&#39;t have to check them. It&#39;s up to the maintainer to check the package<br>
+&gt; and updates quality. - unsupported packages are dropped.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Are we heading for 1), 2), 3), or any other option ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Of course, with unlimited resources, options 1 and 3 would be equivalent,<br>
+&gt; everything would have the &quot;top guaranteed support&quot; :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Best regards<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Samuel Verschelde<br>
+&gt; Packager/QA Team/User<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+having read misc&#39;s lenghty and almost political proposal, i suggest a 4th<br>
+option (even though i&#39;m not part of QAteam either):<br>
+<br>
+4) dynamically distributed focus:<br>
+- level 1: BuildSystem-required packages (all packages used for buildnodes)<br>
+- level 2: everything that is minimally required to boot and do stuff<br>
+- level 3: popular server packages<br>
+- level 4: release focus (everything that&#39;s defaultly installed by a release)<br>
+- level 4b: stage images<br>
+- level 5: the rest<br>
+<br>
+depending on resources and certain timings; focus should be spread according<br>
+to desires at that time.<br>
+<br>
+eg:<br>
+- i imagine that level 1 could be discussed between sysadm and qateam during<br>
+BS-updates<br>
+- i imagine that level 2 would be the primary focus<br>
+- i imagine that level 4 could be more important during release times<br>
+- i imagine that level 5 would probably not be focussed by QA unless unlimited<br>
+resources<br>
+- i imagine that level 3 would probably be good if resources would be growing,<br>
+and possibly level 4 if there&#39;s enough resources.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+- i agree that testing should be open to anyone<br>
+- i agree that karma could not be a bad idea, but suggest that QAteam give<br>
+more karma (perhaps even on the karmic state of that person)<br>
+- i also would suggest that at the time of alpha release, we should do a<br>
+contest on testing and bugfinding; so that we could gather enough testers; and<br>
+possibly even extra packagers or qateam people.<br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Option 4 sounds good, it also shows a little bit the responsibilities of each team.<br>I would like to add a level 3b which differs between server-only and desktop.<br><br><br>-- <br>
+Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 01.12.2010 00:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:201012010012.04846.maarten.vanraes@gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a
+      &eacute;crit :<br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre wrap="">So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
+founders, here is the idea:
+
+We start of with  3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
+debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion,
+we wont use the name "restricted" as it was used in MDV commercial
+products.
+
+Now all of theese medias will have their 5 submedias: release, updates,
+updates_testing, backports, backports_testing.
+
+That brings us to 30 medias in total :)
+
+The details of the media layout suggestion is also at the end of this
+mail, and at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy</a>
+
+
+Now...
+
+We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead  we'll
+start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with
+shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime
+depencies). When all of that is imported and rebuilt, we have a working
+buildsystem / base to build from.
+
+Then we to go on with and start importing X, the different
+DE's and every other package needed to build a full distro.
+
+By doing it this way, we get a clean start, every package rebuilt,
+and no old/unmaintained stuff in the beginning.
+
+Then as more maintainers join, I guess more packages will be imported
+from cooker and other sources. And packages can always be requested.
+
+As for those that want the core/extra split:
+We already tried it with main/contrib split. And I know mdv is now
+trying to refine what belongs in main or not, but thats for mdv
+to work through the "problem" as it wont be an easy task.
+
+For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested
+layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as Michael pointed
+out, this is a community supported distro, and only time will tell how
+well the community actually will support their distro.
+
+Point is, if we later decide this is not working well, we can always
+review the decisions and if decided do the split.
+
+Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro?
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+    </blockquote>
+    I have one question at your suggestion Thomas.<br>
+    Mandriva has editions like Mandriva One or Mandriva Free. Will there
+    be something different or will Mageia use this as a base?<br>
+    <br>
+    I would prefer that some proprietary firmware will be available such
+    as the WIFI drivers of Intel (iwlwifi) , which is needed by my
+    wireless card, without choosing the correct version of Mageia.<br>
+    These drivers are also available in the kernel right now, so it
+    would be a possibility to activate them there by default so newer
+    hardware will work <span id="result_box" class="short_text"
+      lang="en"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">correctly.</span></span><br>
+    <br>
+    Daniel<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 01.12.2010 00:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:201012010012.04846.maarten.vanraes@gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a
+      &eacute;crit :<br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre wrap="">So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with
+founders, here is the idea:
+
+We start of with  3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias:
+debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion,
+we wont use the name "restricted" as it was used in MDV commercial
+products.
+
+Now all of theese medias will have their 5 submedias: release, updates,
+updates_testing, backports, backports_testing.
+
+That brings us to 30 medias in total :)
+
+The details of the media layout suggestion is also at the end of this
+mail, and at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy</a>
+
+
+Now...
+
+We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead  we'll
+start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with
+shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime
+depencies). When all of that is imported and rebuilt, we have a working
+buildsystem / base to build from.
+
+Then we to go on with and start importing X, the different
+DE's and every other package needed to build a full distro.
+
+By doing it this way, we get a clean start, every package rebuilt,
+and no old/unmaintained stuff in the beginning.
+
+Then as more maintainers join, I guess more packages will be imported
+from cooker and other sources. And packages can always be requested.
+
+As for those that want the core/extra split:
+We already tried it with main/contrib split. And I know mdv is now
+trying to refine what belongs in main or not, but thats for mdv
+to work through the "problem" as it wont be an easy task.
+
+For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested
+layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as Michael pointed
+out, this is a community supported distro, and only time will tell how
+well the community actually will support their distro.
+
+Point is, if we later decide this is not working well, we can always
+review the decisions and if decided do the split.
+
+Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro?
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+    </blockquote>
+    I have one question at your suggestion Thomas.<br>
+    Mandriva has editions like Mandriva One or Mandriva Free. Will there
+    be something different or will Mageia use this as a base?<br>
+    <br>
+    I would prefer that some proprietary firmware will be available such
+    as the WIFI drivers of Intel (iwlwifi) , which is needed by my
+    wireless card, without choosing the correct version of Mageia.<br>
+    These drivers are also available in the kernel right now, so it
+    would be a possibility to activate them there by default so newer
+    hardware will work <span id="result_box" class="short_text"
+      lang="en"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">correctly.</span></span><br>
+    <br>
+    Daniel<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/1 Buchan Milne <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@multilinks.com">bgmilne@multilinks.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:09:38 Michael Scherer wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 16:36 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Well, I can&#39;t because as you already told me we don&#39;t know what our<br>
+&gt; &gt; resources will be. What I can guess is that they are limited because I<br>
+&gt; &gt; know no free software project where there&#39;s too much resources.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Well, from a physical point of view, everything is limited, so saying<br>
+&gt; &quot;limited ressources&quot; didn&#39;t indeed told much.<br>
+<br>
+[...]<br>
+<br>
+&gt; But still, having community enabled QA is a great way to have every grow<br>
+&gt; properly.<br>
+&gt; And in fact, that&#39;s exactly one of the feature of your project<br>
+&gt; mageia-app-db. So we could indeed have a better QAteam by easing the<br>
+&gt; work of community, using mageia-app-db. Ie, take regular user, and turn<br>
+&gt; them in QA team member.<br>
+<br>
+BTW., this is one reason why I would prefer a Mageia user or contributor to<br>
+have one account, for everything. It reduces the obstacles becoming a<br>
+contributor. A user who post on the forum has a bugzilla account and a wiki<br>
+account and should be able to provide feedback on packages etc.<br>
+<br>
+Only when the user needs to be able to push changes somewhere without<br>
+authorization of another contributor, does the user need to request privileged<br>
+access (but, on the same account).<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Buchan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Nice idea, something like that would be a nice thing. Who wants to register for 5 pages only to become a full member of a community? Nobody. <br clear="all"><br><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/1 Buchan Milne <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@multilinks.com">bgmilne@multilinks.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Tuesday, 30 November 2010 18:09:38 Michael Scherer wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 16:36 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Well, I can&#39;t because as you already told me we don&#39;t know what our<br>
+&gt; &gt; resources will be. What I can guess is that they are limited because I<br>
+&gt; &gt; know no free software project where there&#39;s too much resources.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Well, from a physical point of view, everything is limited, so saying<br>
+&gt; &quot;limited ressources&quot; didn&#39;t indeed told much.<br>
+<br>
+[...]<br>
+<br>
+&gt; But still, having community enabled QA is a great way to have every grow<br>
+&gt; properly.<br>
+&gt; And in fact, that&#39;s exactly one of the feature of your project<br>
+&gt; mageia-app-db. So we could indeed have a better QAteam by easing the<br>
+&gt; work of community, using mageia-app-db. Ie, take regular user, and turn<br>
+&gt; them in QA team member.<br>
+<br>
+BTW., this is one reason why I would prefer a Mageia user or contributor to<br>
+have one account, for everything. It reduces the obstacles becoming a<br>
+contributor. A user who post on the forum has a bugzilla account and a wiki<br>
+account and should be able to provide feedback on packages etc.<br>
+<br>
+Only when the user needs to be able to push changes somewhere without<br>
+authorization of another contributor, does the user need to request privileged<br>
+access (but, on the same account).<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Buchan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Nice idea, something like that would be a nice thing. Who wants to register for 5 pages only to become a full member of a community? Nobody. <br clear="all"><br><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Anssi Hannula <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anssi.hannula@iki.fi">anssi.hannula@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a><br>
+&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Dale Huckeby a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;         On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;             John a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                 On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100<br>
+&gt;                 Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                     Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad<br>
+&gt;                     Samir:<br>
+&gt;                     [...]<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                         The kernel uses the word &quot;tainted&quot; when it<br>
+&gt;                         detects the nvidia<br>
+&gt;                         proprietary module for example, (which<br>
+&gt;                         admittedly gave me a bit of<br>
+&gt;                         shock the first time I saw it :)).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                     Heh, i had the same reaction.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                         &gt;From all the proposed names, I think &quot;tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;                         is the best one, as the<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                         packages in there are in a &quot;grey&quot; zone, i.e. not<br>
+&gt;                         totally illegal<br>
+&gt;                         everywhere, but illegal only in some places in<br>
+&gt;                         the world. And in<br>
+&gt;                         reality the existence of a patent doesn&#39;t<br>
+&gt;                         necessarily mean it&#39;s<br>
+&gt;                         enforceable in a court of law (the only way we&#39;d<br>
+&gt;                         know for sure is if<br>
+&gt;                         someone actually does try to sue)... my 0.02€<br>
+&gt;                         worth :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;             Generally only potentially &quot;illegal&quot; in some countries.<br>
+&gt;             &quot;Tainted&quot; means contaminated, polluted. A lot stronger than<br>
+&gt;             potentially &quot;illegal&quot;. (Really only actionable in a civil<br>
+&gt;             sense, not<br>
+&gt;             criminally illegal, as well.)<br>
+&gt;             A package could end up there due to an apparently credible<br>
+&gt;             rumour,<br>
+&gt;             later discredited. (Anyone remember SCO ?)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;         I agree. Problematic comes closer to &quot;potentially illegal&quot;, so I<br>
+&gt;         looked<br>
+&gt;         up some synonyms: ambiguous, debatable, dubious,<br>
+&gt;         iffy, suspect, speculative, precarious, suspicious, uncertain,<br>
+&gt;         unsettled, in addition to problematic itself. Personally<br>
+&gt;         I like iffy, which is both short and to the point, but I think<br>
+&gt;         several<br>
+&gt;         of these would do. WDYT?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;         Dale Huckeby<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     A much better set of choices.<br>
+&gt;     (Thanks for looking these up.  Good idea.)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Let&#39;s remember that the question for these packages is not the<br>
+&gt;     quality of their functioning - but rather the advisability to use<br>
+&gt;     them, for other reasons, in some countries.<br>
+&gt;     So I think that it is better to avoid words that could question the<br>
+&gt;     QUALITY of the packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Words in the list like<br>
+&gt;      ambiguous, debatable, problematic, and speculative<br>
+&gt;     avoid questioning the quality ... but could be too long or too formal.<br>
+&gt;     Or just not catchy enough ;)<br>
+&gt;     (&quot;Iffy&quot; might be ok - certainly catchy enough.)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Additional words I found in Roget&#39;s thesaurus, along the same lines :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Associated more with debatable :<br>
+&gt;     arguable, contestable, controvertible, disputable, questionable,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Associated more with controversial :<br>
+&gt;     confutable, deniable, mistakable, moot<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Of these additional words, I think that &quot;contestable&quot;, &quot;disputable&quot;,<br>
+&gt;     and &quot;controversial&quot; are probably closest to the SENSE of the<br>
+&gt;     repositories.<br>
+&gt;     But maybe too formal ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Many of these words could be good choices.<br>
+&gt;     And maybe someone will come up with some more ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     my 2 cents :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     - André<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What about: main, free, non-free?<br>
+&gt; In main is everything what belongs to the core, free contains only<br>
+&gt; packages which are under a free license and in non-free are those which<br>
+&gt; aren&#39;t clear if free or not (what you mentioned earlier in this discussion).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; All three names are as clear as possible what&#39;s meant.<br>
+<br>
+The license of the packages is not in question (they are free), the<br>
+patent (etc) situation is.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Anssi Hannula<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>That&#39;s what i ment.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Anssi Hannula <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anssi.hannula@iki.fi">anssi.hannula@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a><br>
+&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Dale Huckeby a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;         On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;             John a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                 On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100<br>
+&gt;                 Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                     Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad<br>
+&gt;                     Samir:<br>
+&gt;                     [...]<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                         The kernel uses the word &quot;tainted&quot; when it<br>
+&gt;                         detects the nvidia<br>
+&gt;                         proprietary module for example, (which<br>
+&gt;                         admittedly gave me a bit of<br>
+&gt;                         shock the first time I saw it :)).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                     Heh, i had the same reaction.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                         &gt;From all the proposed names, I think &quot;tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;                         is the best one, as the<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                         packages in there are in a &quot;grey&quot; zone, i.e. not<br>
+&gt;                         totally illegal<br>
+&gt;                         everywhere, but illegal only in some places in<br>
+&gt;                         the world. And in<br>
+&gt;                         reality the existence of a patent doesn&#39;t<br>
+&gt;                         necessarily mean it&#39;s<br>
+&gt;                         enforceable in a court of law (the only way we&#39;d<br>
+&gt;                         know for sure is if<br>
+&gt;                         someone actually does try to sue)... my 0.02€<br>
+&gt;                         worth :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;             Generally only potentially &quot;illegal&quot; in some countries.<br>
+&gt;             &quot;Tainted&quot; means contaminated, polluted. A lot stronger than<br>
+&gt;             potentially &quot;illegal&quot;. (Really only actionable in a civil<br>
+&gt;             sense, not<br>
+&gt;             criminally illegal, as well.)<br>
+&gt;             A package could end up there due to an apparently credible<br>
+&gt;             rumour,<br>
+&gt;             later discredited. (Anyone remember SCO ?)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;         I agree. Problematic comes closer to &quot;potentially illegal&quot;, so I<br>
+&gt;         looked<br>
+&gt;         up some synonyms: ambiguous, debatable, dubious,<br>
+&gt;         iffy, suspect, speculative, precarious, suspicious, uncertain,<br>
+&gt;         unsettled, in addition to problematic itself. Personally<br>
+&gt;         I like iffy, which is both short and to the point, but I think<br>
+&gt;         several<br>
+&gt;         of these would do. WDYT?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;         Dale Huckeby<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     A much better set of choices.<br>
+&gt;     (Thanks for looking these up.  Good idea.)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Let&#39;s remember that the question for these packages is not the<br>
+&gt;     quality of their functioning - but rather the advisability to use<br>
+&gt;     them, for other reasons, in some countries.<br>
+&gt;     So I think that it is better to avoid words that could question the<br>
+&gt;     QUALITY of the packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Words in the list like<br>
+&gt;      ambiguous, debatable, problematic, and speculative<br>
+&gt;     avoid questioning the quality ... but could be too long or too formal.<br>
+&gt;     Or just not catchy enough ;)<br>
+&gt;     (&quot;Iffy&quot; might be ok - certainly catchy enough.)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Additional words I found in Roget&#39;s thesaurus, along the same lines :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Associated more with debatable :<br>
+&gt;     arguable, contestable, controvertible, disputable, questionable,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Associated more with controversial :<br>
+&gt;     confutable, deniable, mistakable, moot<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Of these additional words, I think that &quot;contestable&quot;, &quot;disputable&quot;,<br>
+&gt;     and &quot;controversial&quot; are probably closest to the SENSE of the<br>
+&gt;     repositories.<br>
+&gt;     But maybe too formal ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Many of these words could be good choices.<br>
+&gt;     And maybe someone will come up with some more ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     my 2 cents :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     - André<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What about: main, free, non-free?<br>
+&gt; In main is everything what belongs to the core, free contains only<br>
+&gt; packages which are under a free license and in non-free are those which<br>
+&gt; aren&#39;t clear if free or not (what you mentioned earlier in this discussion).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; All three names are as clear as possible what&#39;s meant.<br>
+<br>
+The license of the packages is not in question (they are free), the<br>
+patent (etc) situation is.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Anssi Hannula<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>That&#39;s what i ment.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Dale Huckeby a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+John a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100<br>
+Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The kernel uses the word &quot;tainted&quot; when it detects the nvidia<br>
+proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of<br>
+shock the first time I saw it :)).<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Heh, i had the same reaction.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+>From all the proposed names, I think &quot;tainted&quot; is the best one, as the<br>
+<br>
+packages in there are in a &quot;grey&quot; zone, i.e. not totally illegal<br>
+everywhere, but illegal only in some places in the world. And in<br>
+reality the existence of a patent doesn&#39;t necessarily mean it&#39;s<br>
+enforceable in a court of law (the only way we&#39;d know for sure is if<br>
+someone actually does try to sue)... my 0.02€ worth :)<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+Generally only potentially &quot;illegal&quot; in some countries.<br>
+&quot;Tainted&quot; means contaminated, polluted. A lot stronger than<br>
+potentially &quot;illegal&quot;. (Really only actionable in a civil sense, not<br>
+criminally illegal, as well.)<br>
+A package could end up there due to an apparently credible rumour,<br>
+later discredited. (Anyone remember SCO ?)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I agree. Problematic comes closer to &quot;potentially illegal&quot;, so I looked<br>
+up some synonyms: ambiguous, debatable, dubious,<br>
+iffy, suspect, speculative, precarious, suspicious, uncertain,<br>
+unsettled, in addition to problematic itself. Personally<br>
+I like iffy, which is both short and to the point, but I think several<br>
+of these would do. WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+A much better set of choices.<br>
+(Thanks for looking these up.  Good idea.)<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s remember that the question for these packages is not the quality of their functioning - but rather the advisability to use them, for other reasons, in some countries.<br>
+So I think that it is better to avoid words that could question the QUALITY of the packages.<br>
+<br>
+Words in the list like<br>
+ ambiguous, debatable, problematic, and speculative<br>
+avoid questioning the quality ... but could be too long or too formal.<br>
+Or just not catchy enough ;)<br>
+(&quot;Iffy&quot; might be ok - certainly catchy enough.)<br>
+<br>
+Additional words I found in Roget&#39;s thesaurus, along the same lines :<br>
+<br>
+Associated more with debatable :<br>
+arguable, contestable, controvertible, disputable, questionable,<br>
+<br>
+Associated more with controversial :<br>
+confutable, deniable, mistakable, moot<br>
+<br>
+Of these additional words, I think that &quot;contestable&quot;, &quot;disputable&quot;, and &quot;controversial&quot; are probably closest to the SENSE of the repositories.<br>
+But maybe too formal ?<br>
+<br>
+Many of these words could be good choices.<br>
+And maybe someone will come up with some more ?<br>
+<br>
+my 2 cents :)<br>
+<br>
+- André<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>What about: main, free, non-free?<br>In main is everything what belongs to the core, free contains only packages which are under a free license and in non-free are those which aren&#39;t clear if free or not (what you mentioned earlier in this discussion).<br>
+<br>All three names are as clear as possible what&#39;s meant.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Dale Huckeby a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+John a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100<br>
+Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The kernel uses the word &quot;tainted&quot; when it detects the nvidia<br>
+proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of<br>
+shock the first time I saw it :)).<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Heh, i had the same reaction.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+>From all the proposed names, I think &quot;tainted&quot; is the best one, as the<br>
+<br>
+packages in there are in a &quot;grey&quot; zone, i.e. not totally illegal<br>
+everywhere, but illegal only in some places in the world. And in<br>
+reality the existence of a patent doesn&#39;t necessarily mean it&#39;s<br>
+enforceable in a court of law (the only way we&#39;d know for sure is if<br>
+someone actually does try to sue)... my 0.02€ worth :)<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+Generally only potentially &quot;illegal&quot; in some countries.<br>
+&quot;Tainted&quot; means contaminated, polluted. A lot stronger than<br>
+potentially &quot;illegal&quot;. (Really only actionable in a civil sense, not<br>
+criminally illegal, as well.)<br>
+A package could end up there due to an apparently credible rumour,<br>
+later discredited. (Anyone remember SCO ?)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I agree. Problematic comes closer to &quot;potentially illegal&quot;, so I looked<br>
+up some synonyms: ambiguous, debatable, dubious,<br>
+iffy, suspect, speculative, precarious, suspicious, uncertain,<br>
+unsettled, in addition to problematic itself. Personally<br>
+I like iffy, which is both short and to the point, but I think several<br>
+of these would do. WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+A much better set of choices.<br>
+(Thanks for looking these up.  Good idea.)<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s remember that the question for these packages is not the quality of their functioning - but rather the advisability to use them, for other reasons, in some countries.<br>
+So I think that it is better to avoid words that could question the QUALITY of the packages.<br>
+<br>
+Words in the list like<br>
+ ambiguous, debatable, problematic, and speculative<br>
+avoid questioning the quality ... but could be too long or too formal.<br>
+Or just not catchy enough ;)<br>
+(&quot;Iffy&quot; might be ok - certainly catchy enough.)<br>
+<br>
+Additional words I found in Roget&#39;s thesaurus, along the same lines :<br>
+<br>
+Associated more with debatable :<br>
+arguable, contestable, controvertible, disputable, questionable,<br>
+<br>
+Associated more with controversial :<br>
+confutable, deniable, mistakable, moot<br>
+<br>
+Of these additional words, I think that &quot;contestable&quot;, &quot;disputable&quot;, and &quot;controversial&quot; are probably closest to the SENSE of the repositories.<br>
+But maybe too formal ?<br>
+<br>
+Many of these words could be good choices.<br>
+And maybe someone will come up with some more ?<br>
+<br>
+my 2 cents :)<br>
+<br>
+- André<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>What about: main, free, non-free?<br>In main is everything what belongs to the core, free contains only packages which are under a free license and in non-free are those which aren&#39;t clear if free or not (what you mentioned earlier in this discussion).<br>
+<br>All three names are as clear as possible what&#39;s meant.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Because Ubuntu already has a repo called &quot;universal&quot;? that&#39;s a similar<br>
+reason to why it wasn&#39;t called &quot;restricted&quot;, because restricted is<br>
+used by distros that offer a commercial repo as in &quot;pay to use some<br>
+more stuff&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Do they have a patent on the name?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Because Ubuntu already has a repo called &quot;universal&quot;? that&#39;s a similar<br>
+reason to why it wasn&#39;t called &quot;restricted&quot;, because restricted is<br>
+used by distros that offer a commercial repo as in &quot;pay to use some<br>
+more stuff&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Do they have a patent on the name?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/12/6 Maurice Batey &lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only<br>
+&gt; via BitTorrent.<br>
+<br>
+Not true. Including current version it was/is available via BitTorrent<br>
+AND FTP download from the mirrors.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Will Mageia&#39;s .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols<br>
+&gt; (e.g. FTP)?<br>
+<br>
+This is one of those very very premature questions and will be<br>
+discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But without<br>
+punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions will come<br>
+as ftp downloads while I&#39;d say distributiing the final with torrents<br>
+and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I was downloading the latest version of Mandriva via ftp so it is still available as wobo mentioned above.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/12/6 Maurice Batey &lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only<br>
+&gt; via BitTorrent.<br>
+<br>
+Not true. Including current version it was/is available via BitTorrent<br>
+AND FTP download from the mirrors.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Will Mageia&#39;s .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols<br>
+&gt; (e.g. FTP)?<br>
+<br>
+This is one of those very very premature questions and will be<br>
+discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But without<br>
+punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions will come<br>
+as ftp downloads while I&#39;d say distributiing the final with torrents<br>
+and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I was downloading the latest version of Mandriva via ftp so it is still available as wobo mentioned above.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. &lt;<a href="mailto:ewilcox@bex.net">ewilcox@bex.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software tainted<br>
+&gt; with a patent, etc., How about &quot;non-GPL&quot;? I think that such a name should be<br>
+&gt; well understood by users of nearly any language, particularly if they are<br>
+&gt; familiar with the GPL.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My2cents<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.<br>
+&gt; Registered Linux User 247790<br>
+&gt; ICQ 41060744<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Read the afro-mentioned thread again; most of those stuff are released<br>
+under a GPL/GPL-like license (faad and faac packages for example, for<br>
+playing back and encoding using the AAC audio codec, respectively),<br>
+they&#39;re free open source software, but they infringe some patents.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Why don&#39;t we call it universe or something like that? It&#39;s a neutral meaning where also packages without patents and such with patents can be stored in.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. &lt;<a href="mailto:ewilcox@bex.net">ewilcox@bex.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software tainted<br>
+&gt; with a patent, etc., How about &quot;non-GPL&quot;? I think that such a name should be<br>
+&gt; well understood by users of nearly any language, particularly if they are<br>
+&gt; familiar with the GPL.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My2cents<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.<br>
+&gt; Registered Linux User 247790<br>
+&gt; ICQ 41060744<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Read the afro-mentioned thread again; most of those stuff are released<br>
+under a GPL/GPL-like license (faad and faac packages for example, for<br>
+playing back and encoding using the AAC audio codec, respectively),<br>
+they&#39;re free open source software, but they infringe some patents.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Why don&#39;t we call it universe or something like that? It&#39;s a neutral meaning where also packages without patents and such with patents can be stored in.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 12/6/2010 8:39 AM, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTin6KKW0-ry7RHhf6bos4NFDRxHebWB+f5iPb_0Z@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang
+        Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          2010/12/6 Maurice Batey &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;:<br>
+          &gt; Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file
+          downloadable only<br>
+          &gt; via BitTorrent.<br>
+          <br>
+          Not true. Including current version it was/is available via
+          BitTorrent<br>
+          AND FTP download from the mirrors.<br>
+          <br>
+          &gt; Will Mageia's .iso file be &nbsp;downloadable by
+          non-BitTorrent protocols<br>
+          &gt; (e.g. FTP)?<br>
+          <br>
+          This is one of those very very premature questions and will be<br>
+          discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But
+          without<br>
+          punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions
+          will come<br>
+          as ftp downloads while I'd say distributiing the final with
+          torrents<br>
+          and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.<br>
+          <font color="#888888"><br>
+            --<br>
+            wobo<br>
+          </font></blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      I was downloading the latest version of Mandriva via ftp so it is
+      still available as wobo mentioned above.<br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Mit freundlichen Gr&uuml;&szlig;en<br>
+      <br>
+      Greetings<br>
+      <br>
+      Daniel Kreuter<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    link:&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/">http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/</a><br>
+    has a direct download link'<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    -Nex6<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 12/6/2010 8:39 AM, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTin6KKW0-ry7RHhf6bos4NFDRxHebWB+f5iPb_0Z@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang
+        Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          2010/12/6 Maurice Batey &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;:<br>
+          &gt; Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file
+          downloadable only<br>
+          &gt; via BitTorrent.<br>
+          <br>
+          Not true. Including current version it was/is available via
+          BitTorrent<br>
+          AND FTP download from the mirrors.<br>
+          <br>
+          &gt; Will Mageia's .iso file be &nbsp;downloadable by
+          non-BitTorrent protocols<br>
+          &gt; (e.g. FTP)?<br>
+          <br>
+          This is one of those very very premature questions and will be<br>
+          discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But
+          without<br>
+          punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions
+          will come<br>
+          as ftp downloads while I'd say distributiing the final with
+          torrents<br>
+          and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.<br>
+          <font color="#888888"><br>
+            --<br>
+            wobo<br>
+          </font></blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      I was downloading the latest version of Mandriva via ftp so it is
+      still available as wobo mentioned above.<br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Mit freundlichen Gr&uuml;&szlig;en<br>
+      <br>
+      Greetings<br>
+      <br>
+      Daniel Kreuter<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    link:&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/">http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/</a><br>
+    has a direct download link'<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    -Nex6<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 12/6/2010 8:39 AM, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTin6KKW0-ry7RHhf6bos4NFDRxHebWB+f5iPb_0Z@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang
+        Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          2010/12/6 Maurice Batey &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;:<br>
+          &gt; Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file
+          downloadable only<br>
+          &gt; via BitTorrent.<br>
+          <br>
+          Not true. Including current version it was/is available via
+          BitTorrent<br>
+          AND FTP download from the mirrors.<br>
+          <br>
+          &gt; Will Mageia's .iso file be &nbsp;downloadable by
+          non-BitTorrent protocols<br>
+          &gt; (e.g. FTP)?<br>
+          <br>
+          This is one of those very very premature questions and will be<br>
+          discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But
+          without<br>
+          punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions
+          will come<br>
+          as ftp downloads while I'd say distributiing the final with
+          torrents<br>
+          and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.<br>
+          <font color="#888888"><br>
+            --<br>
+            wobo<br>
+          </font></blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      I was downloading the latest version of Mandriva via ftp so it is
+      still available as wobo mentioned above.<br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Mit freundlichen Gr&uuml;&szlig;en<br>
+      <br>
+      Greetings<br>
+      <br>
+      Daniel Kreuter<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    link:&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/">http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    direct downloads are available....<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    -Nex6<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 12/6/2010 8:39 AM, Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTin6KKW0-ry7RHhf6bos4NFDRxHebWB+f5iPb_0Z@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang
+        Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          2010/12/6 Maurice Batey &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;:<br>
+          &gt; Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file
+          downloadable only<br>
+          &gt; via BitTorrent.<br>
+          <br>
+          Not true. Including current version it was/is available via
+          BitTorrent<br>
+          AND FTP download from the mirrors.<br>
+          <br>
+          &gt; Will Mageia's .iso file be &nbsp;downloadable by
+          non-BitTorrent protocols<br>
+          &gt; (e.g. FTP)?<br>
+          <br>
+          This is one of those very very premature questions and will be<br>
+          discussed/decided when the time comes (which is far away). But
+          without<br>
+          punching on my crystal ball too hard I guess Alpha versions
+          will come<br>
+          as ftp downloads while I'd say distributiing the final with
+          torrents<br>
+          and ftp would be a good idea - takes the load off the servers.<br>
+          <font color="#888888"><br>
+            --<br>
+            wobo<br>
+          </font></blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      I was downloading the latest version of Mandriva via ftp so it is
+      still available as wobo mentioned above.<br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Mit freundlichen Gr&uuml;&szlig;en<br>
+      <br>
+      Greetings<br>
+      <br>
+      Daniel Kreuter<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    link:&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/">http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/free/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    direct downloads are available....<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    -Nex6<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 06/12/2010 17:26, Maurice Batey a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:pan.2010.12.06.16.26.31.561108@bcs.org.uk"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only
+via BitTorrent.
+
+That doesn't suit some people's situation.
+
+Will Mageia's .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols
+(e.g. FTP)?
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font size="-1">Maybe we can tell you when we will have iso ready
+      ... We have others problems for now.</font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 06/12/2010 17:26, Maurice Batey a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:pan.2010.12.06.16.26.31.561108@bcs.org.uk"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Mandriva has recently been showing their .iso file downloadable only
+via BitTorrent.
+
+That doesn't suit some people's situation.
+
+Will Mageia's .iso file be  downloadable by non-BitTorrent protocols
+(e.g. FTP)?
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font size="-1">Maybe we can tell you when we will have iso ready
+      ... We have others problems for now.</font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Yes, I know. The question was: do they have those patented software<br>
+within the same repo as all the other software or do they have an<br>
+extra repo for that.<br>
+<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><ul><li><p class="line891"><strong>Main</strong> - Officially supported software. <span class="anchor" id="line-16"></span></p></li><li><p class="line891"><strong>Restricted</strong> - Supported software that is not available under a completely free license. <span class="anchor" id="line-17"></span></p>
+</li><li><p class="line891"><strong>Universe</strong> - Community maintained software, i.e. not officially supported software. <span class="anchor" id="line-18"></span></p></li><li><p class="line891"><strong>Multiverse</strong> - Software that is not free.  </p>
+</li></ul>This should answer this question. This is the default layout of Ubuntu.<br><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Yes, I know. The question was: do they have those patented software<br>
+within the same repo as all the other software or do they have an<br>
+extra repo for that.<br>
+<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><ul><li><p class="line891"><strong>Main</strong> - Officially supported software. <span class="anchor" id="line-16"></span></p></li><li><p class="line891"><strong>Restricted</strong> - Supported software that is not available under a completely free license. <span class="anchor" id="line-17"></span></p>
+</li><li><p class="line891"><strong>Universe</strong> - Community maintained software, i.e. not officially supported software. <span class="anchor" id="line-18"></span></p></li><li><p class="line891"><strong>Multiverse</strong> - Software that is not free.  </p>
+</li></ul>This should answer this question. This is the default layout of Ubuntu.<br><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/8 Mika Laitio <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lamikr@pilppa.org">lamikr@pilppa.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt; &gt; &#39;Grayzone&#39; ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mr. Dorian Gray&#39;s zone? Or a foggy grey zone?<br>
+&gt; &gt; (SCNR!)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hmm, &quot;foggy&quot; sounds nice :)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Or Foggy Bottom :)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; Better than &quot;tainted&quot; :D<br>
+<br>
+</div>I like from tainted as that term is already somehow known,<br>
+<br>
+Another alternative that came to my mind would be &quot;challenge&quot; as patents<br>
+could be challenged...<br>
+<br>
+Or maybe &quot;soap&quot; or &quot;slippery&quot; to explain the uncertainty of<br>
+possible patents included packages.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Mika<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>If we have &quot;cauldron&quot; associated with sorcerers and like why not &quot;swamp&quot; as somehow treacherous feature of landscape where you can never be quite sure?</div><div><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/8 Mika Laitio <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lamikr@pilppa.org">lamikr@pilppa.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt; &gt; &#39;Grayzone&#39; ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mr. Dorian Gray&#39;s zone? Or a foggy grey zone?<br>
+&gt; &gt; (SCNR!)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hmm, &quot;foggy&quot; sounds nice :)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Or Foggy Bottom :)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; Better than &quot;tainted&quot; :D<br>
+<br>
+</div>I like from tainted as that term is already somehow known,<br>
+<br>
+Another alternative that came to my mind would be &quot;challenge&quot; as patents<br>
+could be challenged...<br>
+<br>
+Or maybe &quot;soap&quot; or &quot;slippery&quot; to explain the uncertainty of<br>
+possible patents included packages.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Mika<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>If we have &quot;cauldron&quot; associated with sorcerers and like why not &quot;swamp&quot; as somehow treacherous feature of landscape where you can never be quite sure?</div><div><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because<br>
+they do not distribute such software at all, PLF does that for<br>
+Mandriva. What about Ubuntu? What about Fedora?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>In Ubuntu you have some patented software in the repos. For example if you try to install Ubuntu 10.10 you get asked if you want to install some 3rd party codecs such as the codec for MP3 during the install process!!!<br>
+3rd party drivers like the ones from AMD or NVIDIA are included as well as some firmware drivers (i never got any problems using my hardware, Debian is more restricted at this point).<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Oh, really? Some (like Mandriva) do not have such a repository because<br>
+they do not distribute such software at all, PLF does that for<br>
+Mandriva. What about Ubuntu? What about Fedora?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>In Ubuntu you have some patented software in the repos. For example if you try to install Ubuntu 10.10 you get asked if you want to install some 3rd party codecs such as the codec for MP3 during the install process!!!<br>
+3rd party drivers like the ones from AMD or NVIDIA are included as well as some firmware drivers (i never got any problems using my hardware, Debian is more restricted at this point).<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:07 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Don&#39;t forget, virtually all software, in some respect, can be considered subject to patent claims.<br>
+Microsoft has a patent on some charactistic necessarily used by all spreadsheets.  Including Visicalc, which predates anything Microsoft produced.<br>
+(I forget the details, something ridiculously simple.)<br>
+It is obviously unenforceable; no court would endorse it.<br>
+<br>
+The Linux kernel is supposedly subject to many patents.<br>
+So if you want to avoid all potential software patent claims, you should probably avoid Linux.<br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>If every developer on this world who writes open source software would care about such patents, than nobody would be able to program because you have to fear that a big company like Microsoft will have a patent on some part of code. But as you mentioned in previous posts, only such people with lots of money will have problems.<br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:07 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Don&#39;t forget, virtually all software, in some respect, can be considered subject to patent claims.<br>
+Microsoft has a patent on some charactistic necessarily used by all spreadsheets.  Including Visicalc, which predates anything Microsoft produced.<br>
+(I forget the details, something ridiculously simple.)<br>
+It is obviously unenforceable; no court would endorse it.<br>
+<br>
+The Linux kernel is supposedly subject to many patents.<br>
+So if you want to avoid all potential software patent claims, you should probably avoid Linux.<br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>If every developer on this world who writes open source software would care about such patents, than nobody would be able to program because you have to fear that a big company like Microsoft will have a patent on some part of code. But as you mentioned in previous posts, only such people with lots of money will have problems.<br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ewilcox@bex.net">ewilcox@bex.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+As I see it, we already have a usable mirror lay-out (posted earlier in this<br>
+thread). The only real discussion that should remain is whether to include the<br>
+&quot;tainted&quot; branch in the official Mageia tree, or to offer it in an alternate<br>
+repository such as PLF (my earlier suggestion).<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.<br>
+Registered Linux User 247790<br>
+ICQ 41060744<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Good point. I would suggest that (with permission like you mentioned) we include only such patented software in the main repos like drivers. And everything else like mp3 in the tainted.<br><br>
+Especially network-drivers should be included, nothing is worse than looking for the drivers if you have no network (as I always have to do in Debian).<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br>
+<br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ewilcox@bex.net">ewilcox@bex.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+As I see it, we already have a usable mirror lay-out (posted earlier in this<br>
+thread). The only real discussion that should remain is whether to include the<br>
+&quot;tainted&quot; branch in the official Mageia tree, or to offer it in an alternate<br>
+repository such as PLF (my earlier suggestion).<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.<br>
+Registered Linux User 247790<br>
+ICQ 41060744<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Good point. I would suggest that (with permission like you mentioned) we include only such patented software in the main repos like drivers. And everything else like mp3 in the tainted.<br><br>
+Especially network-drivers should be included, nothing is worse than looking for the drivers if you have no network (as I always have to do in Debian).<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br>
+<br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">I would like to</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">participate in</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">beta test</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">,</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">the</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">first</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">isos</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">,</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">as</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">we</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">help</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">to</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">check</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">with</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">my</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">pcs</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">it works</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">,</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">if</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">you</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">add me</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">tell me</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">where</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">would be</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">grateful</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">,</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">because</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">my English</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">is</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">Light</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">, thanks</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">.<br>
+<br></span></span><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/14 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi there!<br>
+<br>
+As you may have noticed, Mageia teams creation is in progress. i18n<br>
+has just started last week. It&#39;s now packagers turn.<br>
+<br>
+You have registered on wiki:<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</a>. Please have a look on<br>
+this page. You will find very first items to setup this team.<br>
+mageia-dev will be the official mailing-list for packagers. So if you<br>
+know people who want to become packagers and who are not registered,<br>
+please inform them about it.<br>
+<br>
+First packagers meeting will happen on 15, december 19h30 UTC on<br>
+#mageia-dev. Here are the topics to start with:<br>
+<br>
+- quick introduction of people attending meeting<br>
+- setup internal organization: meetings planning, representatives,<br>
+relations with other Mageia teams to synchronize work<br>
+- setup mentoring for incoming packagers (who, when, how...)<br>
+- work on packaging policies, starting from Mandriva Linux policies<br>
+- work on mentoring process to make life easier for mentors<br>
+- organize work for packages import in Mageia svn<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to comment before meeting. We will have a bot to log our meeting.<br>
+<br>
+See you on Wednesday<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">I would like to</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">participate in</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">beta test</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">,</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">the</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">first</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">isos</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">,</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">as</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">we</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">help</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">to</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">check</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">with</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">my</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">pcs</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">it works</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">,</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">if</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">you</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">add me</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">tell me</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">where</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">would be</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">grateful</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">,</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">because</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">my English</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">is</span> <span title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas" class="hps">Light</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">, thanks</span><span class="" title="Haz clic para obtener traducciones alternativas">.<br>
+<br></span></span><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/14 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi there!<br>
+<br>
+As you may have noticed, Mageia teams creation is in progress. i18n<br>
+has just started last week. It&#39;s now packagers turn.<br>
+<br>
+You have registered on wiki:<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</a>. Please have a look on<br>
+this page. You will find very first items to setup this team.<br>
+mageia-dev will be the official mailing-list for packagers. So if you<br>
+know people who want to become packagers and who are not registered,<br>
+please inform them about it.<br>
+<br>
+First packagers meeting will happen on 15, december 19h30 UTC on<br>
+#mageia-dev. Here are the topics to start with:<br>
+<br>
+- quick introduction of people attending meeting<br>
+- setup internal organization: meetings planning, representatives,<br>
+relations with other Mageia teams to synchronize work<br>
+- setup mentoring for incoming packagers (who, when, how...)<br>
+- work on packaging policies, starting from Mandriva Linux policies<br>
+- work on mentoring process to make life easier for mentors<br>
+- organize work for packages import in Mageia svn<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to comment before meeting. We will have a bot to log our meeting.<br>
+<br>
+See you on Wednesday<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi list, <br><br>I just started to create some task.spec files from the mandriva task-sound-studio for mageia.<br>In contrast to the former taskfile and to most other linux audio distributions I would like to establish a modular system of sound-tasks, that help installing packages, but do not install everything regarded to sound.<br>
+For I am not a good programmer, I wanted to ask if there are some devs, packagers and mageia-fanatics, that are willing to join me on this mission.<br><br>Work to be done:<br>- provide sound packages like hydrogen, ardour, jackit ......<br>
+- provide TWO good realtimekernel, one for desktop and another for netbooks<br>- provide a script or someting like that, that scanns and adds sound specific stuff to the limits.conf, /etc/udev/rules.d and /etc/rc.d/rc.local and other places<br>
+- provide tasks files that really only install good and necessary sound stuff.<br><br>Thanks in advance, Sascha<br>
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+Hi list, <br><br>I just started to create some task.spec files from the mandriva task-sound-studio for mageia.<br>In contrast to the former taskfile and to most other linux audio distributions I would like to establish a modular system of sound-tasks, that help installing packages, but do not install everything regarded to sound.<br>
+For I am not a good programmer, I wanted to ask if there are some devs, packagers and mageia-fanatics, that are willing to join me on this mission.<br><br>Work to be done:<br>- provide sound packages like hydrogen, ardour, jackit ......<br>
+- provide TWO good realtimekernel, one for desktop and another for netbooks<br>- provide a script or someting like that, that scanns and adds sound specific stuff to the limits.conf, /etc/udev/rules.d and /etc/rc.d/rc.local and other places<br>
+- provide tasks files that really only install good and necessary sound stuff.<br><br>Thanks in advance, Sascha<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Cazzaniga Sandro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 17/12/2010 13:59, Anne nicolas a écrit :<br>
+&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As mentionner here, <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org</a>, we need to<br>
+&gt; vote for 2 representatives for packagers team: one representative for<br>
+&gt; Mageia council and one to help this guy and manage team in daily<br>
+&gt; tasks. You can have a look on packagers meeting logs about how we<br>
+&gt; should choose them. Common criteria are:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - experience in packaging<br>
+&gt; - willing to *manage* team<br>
+&gt; - start with these 2 guys until first release is done (as done in i18n team)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Feel free to comment here and propose/candidate for it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers<br>
+I&#39;d like to ask my candidacy, but I think I&#39;m not experienced enough.<br>
+What do you think?<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Maybe you say something more detailed about yourself so everybody can make a picture of you on his own.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Cazzaniga Sandro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 17/12/2010 13:59, Anne nicolas a écrit :<br>
+&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As mentionner here, <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org</a>, we need to<br>
+&gt; vote for 2 representatives for packagers team: one representative for<br>
+&gt; Mageia council and one to help this guy and manage team in daily<br>
+&gt; tasks. You can have a look on packagers meeting logs about how we<br>
+&gt; should choose them. Common criteria are:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - experience in packaging<br>
+&gt; - willing to *manage* team<br>
+&gt; - start with these 2 guys until first release is done (as done in i18n team)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Feel free to comment here and propose/candidate for it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers<br>
+I&#39;d like to ask my candidacy, but I think I&#39;m not experienced enough.<br>
+What do you think?<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Maybe you say something more detailed about yourself so everybody can make a picture of you on his own.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+I can help you packaging after i worked myself through the rpm guides.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM, SaschaS <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">After having a looong chat with the guys from linux4audio and reading tons of posts in ccrma forum, I must say .....<br>
+<br>Idea with an rt-kernel for netbooks ....... DISMISSED .... it simply makes no sense.<br>Those guys mostly use gentoo and build their own kernel for years now and they gave me the following hints, that also can be found in discussions of other distributions:<br>
+
+1) the kernel (without preemption-patch) should have<br><pre>Processor type and features &gt;&gt; Preemption Mode &gt;&gt; Complete Preemption (Real-Time)<br>Processor type and features &gt;&gt; Timer frequency &gt;&gt; 1000 HZ<br>
+
+General setup &gt;&gt; RCU Subsystem &gt;&gt; RCU Implementation (Preemptable tree-based hierarchical RCU)<br></pre> Proccesor Type and features &gt;&gt; Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) should be excluded<br><br><br>Idea with multiple tasks .... DISMISSED ...... one task that installs drivers likje ffado and stuff like Jackit and sessionhandling and .... the other little stuff one needs, is a really good Idea.<br>
+
+(a big discussion should be held here on wich would be the best tools)<br>The rest, like LADSPA, DSSI, Soundfonts or apps like ardour, lmms ...... should not be included, it&#39;s simply too much.<br><br>We could provide a script that adds the content we need, like:<br>
+
+1) alter /etc/security/limits.conf<br>
+@audio   -  rtprio     99<br>
+@audio   -  memlock    unlimited<br><br>2) add to /etc/rc.d/rc.local<br>
+echo 2048 &gt;/sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq<br>
+echo 2048 &gt;/proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq<br><br>maybe add 2 new files to /lib/udev/rules.d<br>a) 40-rtc-permissions.rules with: KERNEL==&quot;rtc0&quot;, GROUP=&quot;audio&quot;<br>b) 40-hpet-permissions.rule with: KERNEL==&quot;hpet&quot;, GROUP=&quot;audio&quot;<br>
+
+<br>On fedora ccrma, audio4linux and other forums, the musicians eaven do not use the RT-Kernel anymore since 2.6.33.<br>They report that it works better without the Preemption RT Patch with the stuff above and they get a really low latency (~ 2 ms) mit an old M-Audio 2496 without Jack XRUNS.<br>
+
+<br>I tested these hints (exept compiling a kernel) today and it really works much better. <br>I could reduce the latency on my laptop with build in soundcard from 23.2ms to 5.8ms (44100 kHz)<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+2010/12/17 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div>On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 13:27, Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org" target="_blank">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le vendredi 17 décembre 2010 à 12:35 +0100, Sascha Schneider a écrit :<br>
+</div>&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+<div>&gt;&gt; Work to be done:<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide sound packages like hydrogen, ardour, jackit ......<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide TWO good realtimekernel, one for desktop and another for netbooks<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Given the fact that each kernel add a certain load on hdlists, I think<br>
+&gt; we should really try to avoid their proliferation.<br>
+&gt; ( kernel represent 33% of the size of contribs hdlist at Mandriva ).<br>
+<br>
+</div>This is not necessarily proliferation if it has a legitimate purpose<br>
+for the user needs. Maybe this could be merged with other existing rt<br>
+kernels.<br>
+<br>
+If that makes for a really big issue for the final repository index<br>
+files in the end, then it may be a good reason to have a music studio<br>
+derivative distribution. Or find another solution?<br>
+<div><br></div></blockquote><div>you are right, too many kernels is not what makes it better.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div>
+&gt;&gt; - provide a script or someting like that, that scanns and adds sound<br>
+&gt;&gt; specific stuff to the limits.conf, /etc/udev/rules.d and /etc/rc.d/rc.local<br>
+&gt;&gt; and other places<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide tasks files that really only install good and necessary sound<br>
+&gt;&gt; stuff.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Good luck with deciding what is &quot;good and necessary&quot;. You will always<br>
+&gt; end frustrating people whose definition of good and necessary to be<br>
+&gt; different.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Nothing will ever please everyone. But it&#39;s good to have a<br>
+recommandation/selection of whatever works best/best fits some<br>
+purpose, to avoid having to test everything everytime to have a<br>
+working setup; here a music studio.<br></blockquote><div><br>This might be an idea, to simply provide an iso containing the basic setup like above with LXDE that uses the standard mageia repos for installation and updates.<br>
+
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+So this may not be the best way to put it (using a rpm task), but it<br>
+looks like it. Having a basic recommendation set for a particular<br>
+purpose, on top of all available software in the distribution, does<br>
+not sound bad to me (further than that, having a way to<br>
+customize/store/retrieve this set).<br>
+<br>
+Althought trying new stuff is great too, there are times you prefer to<br>
+focus on production and just install/restore tools that just works,<br>
+without taking too much time in this.<br>
+<br>
+(we&#39;re not to the point of having something like a <a href="http://allmyapps.com" target="_blank">allmyapps.com</a><br>
+equivalent though).<br>
+<div><br>
+&gt; And secondary, I think we should also try to avoid having too much task-<br>
+&gt; rpms. Their values is in the fact they allow to quickly install a set of<br>
+&gt; rpm without searching in the whole set of rpm.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Indeed.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Romain<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>greetings, Sascha<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+I can help you packaging after i worked myself through the rpm guides.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM, SaschaS <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">After having a looong chat with the guys from linux4audio and reading tons of posts in ccrma forum, I must say .....<br>
+<br>Idea with an rt-kernel for netbooks ....... DISMISSED .... it simply makes no sense.<br>Those guys mostly use gentoo and build their own kernel for years now and they gave me the following hints, that also can be found in discussions of other distributions:<br>
+
+1) the kernel (without preemption-patch) should have<br><pre>Processor type and features &gt;&gt; Preemption Mode &gt;&gt; Complete Preemption (Real-Time)<br>Processor type and features &gt;&gt; Timer frequency &gt;&gt; 1000 HZ<br>
+
+General setup &gt;&gt; RCU Subsystem &gt;&gt; RCU Implementation (Preemptable tree-based hierarchical RCU)<br></pre> Proccesor Type and features &gt;&gt; Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) should be excluded<br><br><br>Idea with multiple tasks .... DISMISSED ...... one task that installs drivers likje ffado and stuff like Jackit and sessionhandling and .... the other little stuff one needs, is a really good Idea.<br>
+
+(a big discussion should be held here on wich would be the best tools)<br>The rest, like LADSPA, DSSI, Soundfonts or apps like ardour, lmms ...... should not be included, it&#39;s simply too much.<br><br>We could provide a script that adds the content we need, like:<br>
+
+1) alter /etc/security/limits.conf<br>
+@audio   -  rtprio     99<br>
+@audio   -  memlock    unlimited<br><br>2) add to /etc/rc.d/rc.local<br>
+echo 2048 &gt;/sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq<br>
+echo 2048 &gt;/proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq<br><br>maybe add 2 new files to /lib/udev/rules.d<br>a) 40-rtc-permissions.rules with: KERNEL==&quot;rtc0&quot;, GROUP=&quot;audio&quot;<br>b) 40-hpet-permissions.rule with: KERNEL==&quot;hpet&quot;, GROUP=&quot;audio&quot;<br>
+
+<br>On fedora ccrma, audio4linux and other forums, the musicians eaven do not use the RT-Kernel anymore since 2.6.33.<br>They report that it works better without the Preemption RT Patch with the stuff above and they get a really low latency (~ 2 ms) mit an old M-Audio 2496 without Jack XRUNS.<br>
+
+<br>I tested these hints (exept compiling a kernel) today and it really works much better. <br>I could reduce the latency on my laptop with build in soundcard from 23.2ms to 5.8ms (44100 kHz)<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+2010/12/17 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div>On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 13:27, Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org" target="_blank">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le vendredi 17 décembre 2010 à 12:35 +0100, Sascha Schneider a écrit :<br>
+</div>&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+<div>&gt;&gt; Work to be done:<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide sound packages like hydrogen, ardour, jackit ......<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide TWO good realtimekernel, one for desktop and another for netbooks<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Given the fact that each kernel add a certain load on hdlists, I think<br>
+&gt; we should really try to avoid their proliferation.<br>
+&gt; ( kernel represent 33% of the size of contribs hdlist at Mandriva ).<br>
+<br>
+</div>This is not necessarily proliferation if it has a legitimate purpose<br>
+for the user needs. Maybe this could be merged with other existing rt<br>
+kernels.<br>
+<br>
+If that makes for a really big issue for the final repository index<br>
+files in the end, then it may be a good reason to have a music studio<br>
+derivative distribution. Or find another solution?<br>
+<div><br></div></blockquote><div>you are right, too many kernels is not what makes it better.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div>
+&gt;&gt; - provide a script or someting like that, that scanns and adds sound<br>
+&gt;&gt; specific stuff to the limits.conf, /etc/udev/rules.d and /etc/rc.d/rc.local<br>
+&gt;&gt; and other places<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide tasks files that really only install good and necessary sound<br>
+&gt;&gt; stuff.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Good luck with deciding what is &quot;good and necessary&quot;. You will always<br>
+&gt; end frustrating people whose definition of good and necessary to be<br>
+&gt; different.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Nothing will ever please everyone. But it&#39;s good to have a<br>
+recommandation/selection of whatever works best/best fits some<br>
+purpose, to avoid having to test everything everytime to have a<br>
+working setup; here a music studio.<br></blockquote><div><br>This might be an idea, to simply provide an iso containing the basic setup like above with LXDE that uses the standard mageia repos for installation and updates.<br>
+
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+So this may not be the best way to put it (using a rpm task), but it<br>
+looks like it. Having a basic recommendation set for a particular<br>
+purpose, on top of all available software in the distribution, does<br>
+not sound bad to me (further than that, having a way to<br>
+customize/store/retrieve this set).<br>
+<br>
+Althought trying new stuff is great too, there are times you prefer to<br>
+focus on production and just install/restore tools that just works,<br>
+without taking too much time in this.<br>
+<br>
+(we&#39;re not to the point of having something like a <a href="http://allmyapps.com" target="_blank">allmyapps.com</a><br>
+equivalent though).<br>
+<div><br>
+&gt; And secondary, I think we should also try to avoid having too much task-<br>
+&gt; rpms. Their values is in the fact they allow to quickly install a set of<br>
+&gt; rpm without searching in the whole set of rpm.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Indeed.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Romain<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>greetings, Sascha<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/17 Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Am 17.12.2010 12:35, schrieb Sascha Schneider:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi list,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I just started to create some task.spec files from the mandriva<br>
+&gt; task-sound-studio for mageia.<br>
+&gt; In contrast to the former taskfile and to most other linux audio<br>
+&gt; distributions I would like to establish a modular system of sound-tasks,<br>
+&gt; that help installing packages, but do not install everything regarded to<br>
+<br>
+</div>Don&#39;t want to supress your motivation and stuff, but there were already<br>
+efforts recently to produce a &quot;Mandriva Studio&quot;-called<br>
+linux-based professional audio workstation, mainly by Frank Kober<br>
+and Stéphane Téletchéa. Please have a look at this thread on cooker ml:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-04/msg00069.php" target="_blank">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-04/msg00069.php</a><br>
+<br>
+Seems more logical to join arms with him, as i think he also<br>
+wants to put efforts into mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I know the task they made and actually my idea is based on their task.spec found on <br><a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Task-Sound-Studio">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Task-Sound-Studio</a><br>
+<br>I hope both joined mageia, like Emmanuel Andry that worked on that task, too.<br><br>greetings<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/17 Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Am 17.12.2010 12:35, schrieb Sascha Schneider:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi list,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I just started to create some task.spec files from the mandriva<br>
+&gt; task-sound-studio for mageia.<br>
+&gt; In contrast to the former taskfile and to most other linux audio<br>
+&gt; distributions I would like to establish a modular system of sound-tasks,<br>
+&gt; that help installing packages, but do not install everything regarded to<br>
+<br>
+</div>Don&#39;t want to supress your motivation and stuff, but there were already<br>
+efforts recently to produce a &quot;Mandriva Studio&quot;-called<br>
+linux-based professional audio workstation, mainly by Frank Kober<br>
+and Stéphane Téletchéa. Please have a look at this thread on cooker ml:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-04/msg00069.php" target="_blank">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-04/msg00069.php</a><br>
+<br>
+Seems more logical to join arms with him, as i think he also<br>
+wants to put efforts into mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I know the task they made and actually my idea is based on their task.spec found on <br><a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Task-Sound-Studio">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Task-Sound-Studio</a><br>
+<br>I hope both joined mageia, like Emmanuel Andry that worked on that task, too.<br><br>greetings<br>
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+After having a looong chat with the guys from linux4audio and reading tons of posts in ccrma forum, I must say .....<br><br>Idea with an rt-kernel for netbooks ....... DISMISSED .... it simply makes no sense.<br>Those guys mostly use gentoo and build their own kernel for years now and they gave me the following hints, that also can be found in discussions of other distributions:<br>
+1) the kernel (without preemption-patch) should have<br><pre>Processor type and features &gt;&gt; Preemption Mode &gt;&gt; Complete Preemption (Real-Time)<br>Processor type and features &gt;&gt; Timer frequency &gt;&gt; 1000 HZ<br>
+General setup &gt;&gt; RCU Subsystem &gt;&gt; RCU Implementation (Preemptable tree-based hierarchical RCU)<br></pre> Proccesor Type and features &gt;&gt; Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) should be excluded<br><br><br>Idea with multiple tasks .... DISMISSED ...... one task that installs drivers likje ffado and stuff like Jackit and sessionhandling and .... the other little stuff one needs, is a really good Idea.<br>
+(a big discussion should be held here on wich would be the best tools)<br>The rest, like LADSPA, DSSI, Soundfonts or apps like ardour, lmms ...... should not be included, it&#39;s simply too much.<br><br>We could provide a script that adds the content we need, like:<br>
+1) alter /etc/security/limits.conf<br>
+@audio   -  rtprio     99<br>
+@audio   -  memlock    unlimited<br><br>2) add to /etc/rc.d/rc.local<br>
+echo 2048 &gt;/sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq<br>
+echo 2048 &gt;/proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq<br><br>maybe add 2 new files to /lib/udev/rules.d<br>a) 40-rtc-permissions.rules with: KERNEL==&quot;rtc0&quot;, GROUP=&quot;audio&quot;<br>b) 40-hpet-permissions.rule with: KERNEL==&quot;hpet&quot;, GROUP=&quot;audio&quot;<br>
+<br>On fedora ccrma, audio4linux and other forums, the musicians eaven do not use the RT-Kernel anymore since 2.6.33.<br>They report that it works better without the Preemption RT Patch with the stuff above and they get a really low latency (~ 2 ms) mit an old M-Audio 2496 without Jack XRUNS.<br>
+<br>I tested these hints (exept compiling a kernel) today and it really works much better. <br>I could reduce the latency on my laptop with build in soundcard from 23.2ms to 5.8ms (44100 kHz)<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/12/17 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 13:27, Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le vendredi 17 décembre 2010 à 12:35 +0100, Sascha Schneider a écrit :<br>
+</div>&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; Work to be done:<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide sound packages like hydrogen, ardour, jackit ......<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide TWO good realtimekernel, one for desktop and another for netbooks<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Given the fact that each kernel add a certain load on hdlists, I think<br>
+&gt; we should really try to avoid their proliferation.<br>
+&gt; ( kernel represent 33% of the size of contribs hdlist at Mandriva ).<br>
+<br>
+</div>This is not necessarily proliferation if it has a legitimate purpose<br>
+for the user needs. Maybe this could be merged with other existing rt<br>
+kernels.<br>
+<br>
+If that makes for a really big issue for the final repository index<br>
+files in the end, then it may be a good reason to have a music studio<br>
+derivative distribution. Or find another solution?<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>you are right, too many kernels is not what makes it better.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+&gt;&gt; - provide a script or someting like that, that scanns and adds sound<br>
+&gt;&gt; specific stuff to the limits.conf, /etc/udev/rules.d and /etc/rc.d/rc.local<br>
+&gt;&gt; and other places<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide tasks files that really only install good and necessary sound<br>
+&gt;&gt; stuff.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Good luck with deciding what is &quot;good and necessary&quot;. You will always<br>
+&gt; end frustrating people whose definition of good and necessary to be<br>
+&gt; different.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Nothing will ever please everyone. But it&#39;s good to have a<br>
+recommandation/selection of whatever works best/best fits some<br>
+purpose, to avoid having to test everything everytime to have a<br>
+working setup; here a music studio.<br></blockquote><div><br>This might be an idea, to simply provide an iso containing the basic setup like above with LXDE that uses the standard mageia repos for installation and updates.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+So this may not be the best way to put it (using a rpm task), but it<br>
+looks like it. Having a basic recommendation set for a particular<br>
+purpose, on top of all available software in the distribution, does<br>
+not sound bad to me (further than that, having a way to<br>
+customize/store/retrieve this set).<br>
+<br>
+Althought trying new stuff is great too, there are times you prefer to<br>
+focus on production and just install/restore tools that just works,<br>
+without taking too much time in this.<br>
+<br>
+(we&#39;re not to the point of having something like a <a href="http://allmyapps.com" target="_blank">allmyapps.com</a><br>
+equivalent though).<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; And secondary, I think we should also try to avoid having too much task-<br>
+&gt; rpms. Their values is in the fact they allow to quickly install a set of<br>
+&gt; rpm without searching in the whole set of rpm.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Indeed.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Romain<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>greetings, Sascha<br>
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+After having a looong chat with the guys from linux4audio and reading tons of posts in ccrma forum, I must say .....<br><br>Idea with an rt-kernel for netbooks ....... DISMISSED .... it simply makes no sense.<br>Those guys mostly use gentoo and build their own kernel for years now and they gave me the following hints, that also can be found in discussions of other distributions:<br>
+1) the kernel (without preemption-patch) should have<br><pre>Processor type and features &gt;&gt; Preemption Mode &gt;&gt; Complete Preemption (Real-Time)<br>Processor type and features &gt;&gt; Timer frequency &gt;&gt; 1000 HZ<br>
+General setup &gt;&gt; RCU Subsystem &gt;&gt; RCU Implementation (Preemptable tree-based hierarchical RCU)<br></pre> Proccesor Type and features &gt;&gt; Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) should be excluded<br><br><br>Idea with multiple tasks .... DISMISSED ...... one task that installs drivers likje ffado and stuff like Jackit and sessionhandling and .... the other little stuff one needs, is a really good Idea.<br>
+(a big discussion should be held here on wich would be the best tools)<br>The rest, like LADSPA, DSSI, Soundfonts or apps like ardour, lmms ...... should not be included, it&#39;s simply too much.<br><br>We could provide a script that adds the content we need, like:<br>
+1) alter /etc/security/limits.conf<br>
+@audio   -  rtprio     99<br>
+@audio   -  memlock    unlimited<br><br>2) add to /etc/rc.d/rc.local<br>
+echo 2048 &gt;/sys/class/rtc/rtc0/max_user_freq<br>
+echo 2048 &gt;/proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq<br><br>maybe add 2 new files to /lib/udev/rules.d<br>a) 40-rtc-permissions.rules with: KERNEL==&quot;rtc0&quot;, GROUP=&quot;audio&quot;<br>b) 40-hpet-permissions.rule with: KERNEL==&quot;hpet&quot;, GROUP=&quot;audio&quot;<br>
+<br>On fedora ccrma, audio4linux and other forums, the musicians eaven do not use the RT-Kernel anymore since 2.6.33.<br>They report that it works better without the Preemption RT Patch with the stuff above and they get a really low latency (~ 2 ms) mit an old M-Audio 2496 without Jack XRUNS.<br>
+<br>I tested these hints (exept compiling a kernel) today and it really works much better. <br>I could reduce the latency on my laptop with build in soundcard from 23.2ms to 5.8ms (44100 kHz)<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/12/17 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 13:27, Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le vendredi 17 décembre 2010 à 12:35 +0100, Sascha Schneider a écrit :<br>
+</div>&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; Work to be done:<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide sound packages like hydrogen, ardour, jackit ......<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide TWO good realtimekernel, one for desktop and another for netbooks<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Given the fact that each kernel add a certain load on hdlists, I think<br>
+&gt; we should really try to avoid their proliferation.<br>
+&gt; ( kernel represent 33% of the size of contribs hdlist at Mandriva ).<br>
+<br>
+</div>This is not necessarily proliferation if it has a legitimate purpose<br>
+for the user needs. Maybe this could be merged with other existing rt<br>
+kernels.<br>
+<br>
+If that makes for a really big issue for the final repository index<br>
+files in the end, then it may be a good reason to have a music studio<br>
+derivative distribution. Or find another solution?<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>you are right, too many kernels is not what makes it better.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+&gt;&gt; - provide a script or someting like that, that scanns and adds sound<br>
+&gt;&gt; specific stuff to the limits.conf, /etc/udev/rules.d and /etc/rc.d/rc.local<br>
+&gt;&gt; and other places<br>
+&gt;&gt; - provide tasks files that really only install good and necessary sound<br>
+&gt;&gt; stuff.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Good luck with deciding what is &quot;good and necessary&quot;. You will always<br>
+&gt; end frustrating people whose definition of good and necessary to be<br>
+&gt; different.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Nothing will ever please everyone. But it&#39;s good to have a<br>
+recommandation/selection of whatever works best/best fits some<br>
+purpose, to avoid having to test everything everytime to have a<br>
+working setup; here a music studio.<br></blockquote><div><br>This might be an idea, to simply provide an iso containing the basic setup like above with LXDE that uses the standard mageia repos for installation and updates.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+So this may not be the best way to put it (using a rpm task), but it<br>
+looks like it. Having a basic recommendation set for a particular<br>
+purpose, on top of all available software in the distribution, does<br>
+not sound bad to me (further than that, having a way to<br>
+customize/store/retrieve this set).<br>
+<br>
+Althought trying new stuff is great too, there are times you prefer to<br>
+focus on production and just install/restore tools that just works,<br>
+without taking too much time in this.<br>
+<br>
+(we&#39;re not to the point of having something like a <a href="http://allmyapps.com" target="_blank">allmyapps.com</a><br>
+equivalent though).<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; And secondary, I think we should also try to avoid having too much task-<br>
+&gt; rpms. Their values is in the fact they allow to quickly install a set of<br>
+&gt; rpm without searching in the whole set of rpm.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Indeed.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Romain<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>greetings, Sascha<br>
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+<br>Hello, just few words to mention the <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions" class="hps">obvious :<br><br>1. musicians are sub-group<br>2. RT-kernel need is a sub-sub-group of (electronic and music) needs<br>
+3. Jack works well on normal-kernel now, providing 90% of sound-studio usages (really needs of -RT are rares, irl)<br><br>and last thing : kernel-RT is not suffisant. user must configure most things on system (limits.d, sysctl, acpi, tmpfs or ramfs, fstab, and more to have a &quot;real pro-audio station like any others o.s&quot;), so providing kernel-rt is good to seems give &quot;out-of-the-box&quot; possibility, but it lies : user in all cases must configure what is bad to auto-conf through spec file<br>
+<br></span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions" class="hps">So maybe it&#39;s a false good idea to provide kernel-rt.<br>
+Another stone to wall &quot;dont want to have many kernel in repo&quot;<br><br>ps : the real trouble about sound-studio seems to be &quot;how to provide non-free support&quot; ? (eg : compil most softwares with mp3 support, and vst support) It is possible to provide this supports but without distribute the lib of ? example : compil qtractor with mp3 + vst support, but wihtout provide lib for mp3 and vst : software could but user need to install himself mp3 and vst ?<br>
+<br>end of off-topic<br>nice night<br>maybe soon<br>
+</span></span><br><br>
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+<br>Hello, just few words to mention the <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions" class="hps">obvious :<br><br>1. musicians are sub-group<br>2. RT-kernel need is a sub-sub-group of (electronic and music) needs<br>
+3. Jack works well on normal-kernel now, providing 90% of sound-studio usages (really needs of -RT are rares, irl)<br><br>and last thing : kernel-RT is not suffisant. user must configure most things on system (limits.d, sysctl, acpi, tmpfs or ramfs, fstab, and more to have a &quot;real pro-audio station like any others o.s&quot;), so providing kernel-rt is good to seems give &quot;out-of-the-box&quot; possibility, but it lies : user in all cases must configure what is bad to auto-conf through spec file<br>
+<br></span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions" class="hps">So maybe it&#39;s a false good idea to provide kernel-rt.<br>
+Another stone to wall &quot;dont want to have many kernel in repo&quot;<br><br>ps : the real trouble about sound-studio seems to be &quot;how to provide non-free support&quot; ? (eg : compil most softwares with mp3 support, and vst support) It is possible to provide this supports but without distribute the lib of ? example : compil qtractor with mp3 + vst support, but wihtout provide lib for mp3 and vst : software could but user need to install himself mp3 and vst ?<br>
+<br>end of off-topic<br>nice night<br>maybe soon<br>
+</span></span><br><br>
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+Hi <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>Hello, just few words to mention the <span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">obvious :<br><br>1. musicians are sub-group<br></span></span></blockquote><div>yes, but there are more and more musicians that want to use linux. Mainly IMHO cause ther was a wave of sound apps development started end 2009 / beginning 2010 that really makes linux more and more attractive to musicians, naming Qtractor, ladish and even some new native linux VSTs .. and new LV2 plugs.<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">2. RT-kernel need is a sub-sub-group of (electronic and music) needs<br>
+</span></span></blockquote><div>yes, since kernel 2.6.33 the RT-Patch even made my system less stable that the normal kernel<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">
+3. Jack works well on normal-kernel now, providing 90% of sound-studio usages (really needs of -RT are rares, irl)<br></span></span></blockquote><div>Well ... the normal kernel is o.k. exept, that it still has the &quot;Tickles System&quot; activated. Deaktivating this really boosts the kernel for sound .. at least in my and other cases I know it did.<br>
+<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions"><br>
+and last thing : kernel-RT is not suffisant. user must configure most things on system (limits.d, sysctl, acpi, tmpfs or ramfs, fstab, and more to have a &quot;real pro-audio station like any others o.s&quot;), so providing kernel-rt is good to seems give &quot;out-of-the-box&quot; possibility, but it lies : user in all cases must configure what is bad to auto-conf through spec file<br>
+
+<br></span></span></blockquote><div>Therefore I like the idea of the wizard.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions"></span></span><span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">So maybe it&#39;s a false good idea to provide kernel-rt.<br>
+
+Another stone to wall &quot;dont want to have many kernel in repo&quot;<br><br>ps : the real trouble about sound-studio seems to be &quot;how to provide non-free support&quot; ? (eg : compil most softwares with mp3 support, and vst support) It is possible to provide this supports but without distribute the lib of ? example : compil qtractor with mp3 + vst support, but wihtout provide lib for mp3 and vst : software could but user need to install himself mp3 and vst ?<br>
+
+<br></span></span></blockquote><div>Good point, but I have no answer to this at this point.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">end of off-topic<br>nice night<br>maybe soon<br>
+</span></span><br><br>
+</blockquote></div>regards, saschas<br>
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+Hi <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>Hello, just few words to mention the <span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">obvious :<br><br>1. musicians are sub-group<br></span></span></blockquote><div>yes, but there are more and more musicians that want to use linux. Mainly IMHO cause ther was a wave of sound apps development started end 2009 / beginning 2010 that really makes linux more and more attractive to musicians, naming Qtractor, ladish and even some new native linux VSTs .. and new LV2 plugs.<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">2. RT-kernel need is a sub-sub-group of (electronic and music) needs<br>
+</span></span></blockquote><div>yes, since kernel 2.6.33 the RT-Patch even made my system less stable that the normal kernel<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">
+3. Jack works well on normal-kernel now, providing 90% of sound-studio usages (really needs of -RT are rares, irl)<br></span></span></blockquote><div>Well ... the normal kernel is o.k. exept, that it still has the &quot;Tickles System&quot; activated. Deaktivating this really boosts the kernel for sound .. at least in my and other cases I know it did.<br>
+<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions"><br>
+and last thing : kernel-RT is not suffisant. user must configure most things on system (limits.d, sysctl, acpi, tmpfs or ramfs, fstab, and more to have a &quot;real pro-audio station like any others o.s&quot;), so providing kernel-rt is good to seems give &quot;out-of-the-box&quot; possibility, but it lies : user in all cases must configure what is bad to auto-conf through spec file<br>
+
+<br></span></span></blockquote><div>Therefore I like the idea of the wizard.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions"></span></span><span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">So maybe it&#39;s a false good idea to provide kernel-rt.<br>
+
+Another stone to wall &quot;dont want to have many kernel in repo&quot;<br><br>ps : the real trouble about sound-studio seems to be &quot;how to provide non-free support&quot; ? (eg : compil most softwares with mp3 support, and vst support) It is possible to provide this supports but without distribute the lib of ? example : compil qtractor with mp3 + vst support, but wihtout provide lib for mp3 and vst : software could but user need to install himself mp3 and vst ?<br>
+
+<br></span></span></blockquote><div>Good point, but I have no answer to this at this point.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions">end of off-topic<br>nice night<br>maybe soon<br>
+</span></span><br><br>
+</blockquote></div>regards, saschas<br>
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+Read the tutorial and I think that this really is the best solution IMHO.<br>I mean providing a good wizard<br><br>1. check system can be included<br>2. modular installation of package groups or even single packages out of a group is possible<br>
+3. alternation and adding files is possible - like limits.conf, etc. is possible<br><br>actually sounds perfect to me.<br><br>note to myself: RTFM perl<br><br>greetings, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 Michael scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:01:19PM +0100, SaschaS wrote:<br>
+&gt; A wizard sounds like a good idea....<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; are there any howtos on Wizards for M??<br>
+<br>
+</div>yes, there is one dating back to my days at Mandrakesoft :<br>
+<a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/WritingWizard" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/WritingWizard</a><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Read the tutorial and I think that this really is the best solution IMHO.<br>I mean providing a good wizard<br><br>1. check system can be included<br>2. modular installation of package groups or even single packages out of a group is possible<br>
+3. alternation and adding files is possible - like limits.conf, etc. is possible<br><br>actually sounds perfect to me.<br><br>note to myself: RTFM perl<br><br>greetings, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 Michael scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:01:19PM +0100, SaschaS wrote:<br>
+&gt; A wizard sounds like a good idea....<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; are there any howtos on Wizards for M??<br>
+<br>
+</div>yes, there is one dating back to my days at Mandrakesoft :<br>
+<a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/WritingWizard" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/WritingWizard</a><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:04 AM, herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from several <a href="http://linuxmao.org" target="_blank">linuxmao.org</a> members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular which are large data files), video?.<br>
+
+&gt; But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first one...<br>
+IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works.<br>
+The user can then add other things they like.  As things are, it is very<br>
+difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by<br>
+installing individual packages.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>The basic music tasks such as soundserver (pulse or alsa), music/video player should already be in the main distribution included like we know already from existing distributions.<br>What I would like is a task-package which includes everything needed for a working multimedia computer such like mpd for music streaming, and something similar for video streaming over a network.<br>
+<br>And maybe we can also make a similar task for the creators out there?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:04 AM, herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from several <a href="http://linuxmao.org" target="_blank">linuxmao.org</a> members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular which are large data files), video?.<br>
+
+&gt; But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first one...<br>
+IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works.<br>
+The user can then add other things they like.  As things are, it is very<br>
+difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by<br>
+installing individual packages.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>The basic music tasks such as soundserver (pulse or alsa), music/video player should already be in the main distribution included like we know already from existing distributions.<br>What I would like is a task-package which includes everything needed for a working multimedia computer such like mpd for music streaming, and something similar for video streaming over a network.<br>
+<br>And maybe we can also make a similar task for the creators out there?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 SaschaS <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2. modular installation of package groups or even single packages out of a group is possible<br></blockquote><div><br>This is the work of drakrpm (of preferably Kpackagekit) no ?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+3. alternation and adding files is possible - like limits.conf, etc. is possible<br></blockquote><div><br>yes :-) <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+actually sounds perfect to me.<br><br>note to myself: RTFM perl<br></blockquote><div><br>i tried, it s more complicated as wiki says. You could read what Aginies write for it&#39;s old ssh wizard (&quot;simple&quot; example)<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">greetings, saschas<br><br></blockquote><div>Providing a shell script could a way to have a clean and release early, often thing to do that ? what thing about ? <br>
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 SaschaS <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2. modular installation of package groups or even single packages out of a group is possible<br></blockquote><div><br>This is the work of drakrpm (of preferably Kpackagekit) no ?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+3. alternation and adding files is possible - like limits.conf, etc. is possible<br></blockquote><div><br>yes :-) <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+actually sounds perfect to me.<br><br>note to myself: RTFM perl<br></blockquote><div><br>i tried, it s more complicated as wiki says. You could read what Aginies write for it&#39;s old ssh wizard (&quot;simple&quot; example)<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">greetings, saschas<br><br></blockquote><div>Providing a shell script could a way to have a clean and release early, often thing to do that ? what thing about ? <br>
+</div></div>
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+So I see basically that we need a guidline on how mageia deals with Spinoffs first.<br><br>If all task are in the repos, I can understand those who say that there are to many task.<br>If the spinoffs are handled as separate projects, we could provide a cusom .iso and different sound-tasks, that people download from the spinoff page.<br>
+The a<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 Daniel Kreuter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:04 AM, herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca" target="_blank">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from several <a href="http://linuxmao.org" target="_blank">linuxmao.org</a> members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular which are large data files), video?.<br>
+
+
+&gt; But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first one...<br>
+IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works.<br>
+The user can then add other things they like.  As things are, it is very<br>
+difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by<br>
+installing individual packages.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div></div>The basic music tasks such as soundserver (pulse or alsa), music/video player should already be in the main distribution included like we know already from existing distributions.<br>What I would like is a task-package which includes everything needed for a working multimedia computer such like mpd for music streaming, and something similar for video streaming over a network.<br>
+
+<br>And maybe we can also make a similar task for the creators out there?<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+So I see basically that we need a guidline on how mageia deals with Spinoffs first.<br><br>If all task are in the repos, I can understand those who say that there are to many task.<br>If the spinoffs are handled as separate projects, we could provide a cusom .iso and different sound-tasks, that people download from the spinoff page.<br>
+The a<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 Daniel Kreuter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:04 AM, herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca" target="_blank">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from several <a href="http://linuxmao.org" target="_blank">linuxmao.org</a> members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular which are large data files), video?.<br>
+
+
+&gt; But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first one...<br>
+IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works.<br>
+The user can then add other things they like.  As things are, it is very<br>
+difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by<br>
+installing individual packages.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div></div>The basic music tasks such as soundserver (pulse or alsa), music/video player should already be in the main distribution included like we know already from existing distributions.<br>What I would like is a task-package which includes everything needed for a working multimedia computer such like mpd for music streaming, and something similar for video streaming over a network.<br>
+
+<br>And maybe we can also make a similar task for the creators out there?<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+.... sorry, my little son found the send button ....<br><br>That way we could provide something for nearly every need.<br>We even could offer separate kernels.<br><br>But first lets see how we can integrate the idea of spinoffs into the mageia projekt.<br>
+<br>greetings, Sascha<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 SaschaS <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+So I see basically that we need a guidline on how mageia deals with Spinoffs first.<br><br>If all task are in the repos, I can understand those who say that there are to many task.<br>If the spinoffs are handled as separate projects, we could provide a cusom .iso and different sound-tasks, that people download from the spinoff page.<br>
+
+The a<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 Daniel Kreuter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com" target="_blank">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:04 AM, herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca" target="_blank">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from several <a href="http://linuxmao.org" target="_blank">linuxmao.org</a> members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular which are large data files), video?.<br>
+
+
+
+&gt; But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first one...<br>
+IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works.<br>
+The user can then add other things they like.  As things are, it is very<br>
+difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by<br>
+installing individual packages.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div></div>The basic music tasks such as soundserver (pulse or alsa), music/video player should already be in the main distribution included like we know already from existing distributions.<br>What I would like is a task-package which includes everything needed for a working multimedia computer such like mpd for music streaming, and something similar for video streaming over a network.<br>
+
+
+<br>And maybe we can also make a similar task for the creators out there?<div><div></div><div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+.... sorry, my little son found the send button ....<br><br>That way we could provide something for nearly every need.<br>We even could offer separate kernels.<br><br>But first lets see how we can integrate the idea of spinoffs into the mageia projekt.<br>
+<br>greetings, Sascha<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 SaschaS <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+So I see basically that we need a guidline on how mageia deals with Spinoffs first.<br><br>If all task are in the repos, I can understand those who say that there are to many task.<br>If the spinoffs are handled as separate projects, we could provide a cusom .iso and different sound-tasks, that people download from the spinoff page.<br>
+
+The a<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 Daniel Kreuter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com" target="_blank">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:04 AM, herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca" target="_blank">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 15:30 -0700, Frank Kober wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m here for sure. Doing subtasks was one of the ideas coming in from several <a href="http://linuxmao.org" target="_blank">linuxmao.org</a> members. This idea got rejected from the mdv people with the argument that there are already too many task metapackages. It was difficult to get a common opinion on it by the musicians anyway, but finally the most useful division would be a bit in the sense of the current task-sound-studio, i.e. use cases: Audio recording, Audio synthesis and composing, live tools (loopers, etc..), sounds (soundfonts in particular which are large data files), video?.<br>
+
+
+
+&gt; But you will see that it is not so easy to make coherent and useful subsets. Another example would be the ubuntu studio grouping.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think there should be just a clear separation of music consumer tasks and music creation tasks, and already the latter includes some of the first one...<br>
+IMHO the most important thing is to make a basic package that works.<br>
+The user can then add other things they like.  As things are, it is very<br>
+difficult for an ordinary mortal to make a working sound system by<br>
+installing individual packages.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div></div>The basic music tasks such as soundserver (pulse or alsa), music/video player should already be in the main distribution included like we know already from existing distributions.<br>What I would like is a task-package which includes everything needed for a working multimedia computer such like mpd for music streaming, and something similar for video streaming over a network.<br>
+
+
+<br>And maybe we can also make a similar task for the creators out there?<div><div></div><div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+A wizard sounds like a good idea....<br><br>are there any howtos on Wizards for M??<br><br>greetings, sascha<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 Michael scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:03:36AM +0100, SaschaS wrote:<br>
+&gt; So I see basically that we need a guidline on how mageia deals with Spinoffs<br>
+&gt; first.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If all task are in the repos, I can understand those who say that there are<br>
+&gt; to many task.<br>
+<br>
+</div>The problem is not that there is too much more than the consequence of the<br>
+high number of task-*.<br>
+<br>
+rpmdrake, who is the main consumer of task-* rpm<br>
+convention, show all of them as 1 single list. So basically, with lots of tasks-<br>
+rpm, you just have a big unsorted list of category. Obviously not good for endusers.<br>
+<br>
+While it would be useful to group task into sound category, for the moment,<br>
+we cannot. One way would be to encode this information in the name ( ie, decide<br>
+that task-sound-foo and task-sound-bar are part of the sound category ).<br>
+<br>
+I am not sure that using the name for this is a good idea. It is quite poor,<br>
+in term of metadata, and that&#39;s still a tree structure, while may a tag based<br>
+one may be better ( like Debian do, for example ).<br>
+<br>
+More ever, it doesn&#39;t make much sense to have task-lamp-* task-nagios and task-kde4<br>
+at the same level, they are not destined at the same public.<br>
+<br>
+Not to mention that installing rpm is ust half of the solution, configuration is<br>
+the other one. While we can to some extend push configuration in the rpm, there<br>
+is some that we cannot do reliably ( like adding a user to a group ).<br>
+<br>
+So maybe a wizard is a better solution than using a rpm that does magically everything.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+A wizard sounds like a good idea....<br><br>are there any howtos on Wizards for M??<br><br>greetings, sascha<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 Michael scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:03:36AM +0100, SaschaS wrote:<br>
+&gt; So I see basically that we need a guidline on how mageia deals with Spinoffs<br>
+&gt; first.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If all task are in the repos, I can understand those who say that there are<br>
+&gt; to many task.<br>
+<br>
+</div>The problem is not that there is too much more than the consequence of the<br>
+high number of task-*.<br>
+<br>
+rpmdrake, who is the main consumer of task-* rpm<br>
+convention, show all of them as 1 single list. So basically, with lots of tasks-<br>
+rpm, you just have a big unsorted list of category. Obviously not good for endusers.<br>
+<br>
+While it would be useful to group task into sound category, for the moment,<br>
+we cannot. One way would be to encode this information in the name ( ie, decide<br>
+that task-sound-foo and task-sound-bar are part of the sound category ).<br>
+<br>
+I am not sure that using the name for this is a good idea. It is quite poor,<br>
+in term of metadata, and that&#39;s still a tree structure, while may a tag based<br>
+one may be better ( like Debian do, for example ).<br>
+<br>
+More ever, it doesn&#39;t make much sense to have task-lamp-* task-nagios and task-kde4<br>
+at the same level, they are not destined at the same public.<br>
+<br>
+Not to mention that installing rpm is ust half of the solution, configuration is<br>
+the other one. While we can to some extend push configuration in the rpm, there<br>
+is some that we cannot do reliably ( like adding a user to a group ).<br>
+<br>
+So maybe a wizard is a better solution than using a rpm that does magically everything.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Could we use the wiki to start studio page ? <br><br>* dssi-vst : providing vst support only through dssi (seems to be clean way to dont need comil many softwares with this troll-patent support) ?<br>
+* softwares &quot;must have&quot; (to dont have &quot;plenty of&quot; but only essential and allready maintained soft, as other discuss says ?)<br>* start identify together need to be modify on system (objective : shell script or wizzard) <br>
+* ...<br></div><br>maybe magieacauldron on tuxfamily if mageia wiki is ever today non-permanent tool ?<br><br>Franck ? <br><br>thanks<br>regards<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Could we use the wiki to start studio page ? <br><br>* dssi-vst : providing vst support only through dssi (seems to be clean way to dont need comil many softwares with this troll-patent support) ?<br>
+* softwares &quot;must have&quot; (to dont have &quot;plenty of&quot; but only essential and allready maintained soft, as other discuss says ?)<br>* start identify together need to be modify on system (objective : shell script or wizzard) <br>
+* ...<br></div><br>maybe magieacauldron on tuxfamily if mageia wiki is ever today non-permanent tool ?<br><br>Franck ? <br><br>thanks<br>regards<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/18 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions"><br>ps : the real trouble about sound-studio seems to be &quot;how to provide non-free support&quot; ? (eg : compil most softwares with mp3 support, and vst support) It is possible to provide this supports but without distribute the lib of ? example : compil qtractor with mp3 + vst support, but wihtout provide lib for mp3 and vst : software could but user need to install himself mp3 and vst ?<br>
+
+</span></span></blockquote><div><br>Found a workaround for myself for that:<br>1) instead of mp3 use ogg -&gt; if they want libs for mp3 they have to install them by themself<br></div></div>2) I&#39;m not 100% shure on this, but afaik you only need the VST-Headers if you want win32-vst<br>
+there are some native linux vst plugins out there that do not require this lib.<br>Plus there is a very nice development of DSSI and LV2 stuff going on at the moment. <br>The new calf plugindesign f.e., Invada Studio DSSI .... <br>
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+<span lang="en"><span title="Cliquer ici pour voir d&#39;autres traductions"><br>ps : the real trouble about sound-studio seems to be &quot;how to provide non-free support&quot; ? (eg : compil most softwares with mp3 support, and vst support) It is possible to provide this supports but without distribute the lib of ? example : compil qtractor with mp3 + vst support, but wihtout provide lib for mp3 and vst : software could but user need to install himself mp3 and vst ?<br>
+
+</span></span></blockquote><div><br>Found a workaround for myself for that:<br>1) instead of mp3 use ogg -&gt; if they want libs for mp3 they have to install them by themself<br></div></div>2) I&#39;m not 100% shure on this, but afaik you only need the VST-Headers if you want win32-vst<br>
+there are some native linux vst plugins out there that do not require this lib.<br>Plus there is a very nice development of DSSI and LV2 stuff going on at the moment. <br>The new calf plugindesign f.e., Invada Studio DSSI .... <br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/19 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/19 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com" target="_blank">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div> 
+<br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div></div>2) I&#39;m not 100% shure on this, but afaik you only need the VST-Headers if you want win32-vst<br>
+
+</blockquote><div> </div></div><div>Yes, i think too. More precisly, only with a good rewrite of aeffects.h file (but not without troll-patent)<br><br>We need the Franck review<br></div></div><br>very happy to see movment around studio in mageia :)<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>I just tested it and uninstalled DSSI-vst and DSSI-vst-wine. Kept the VST_PATH though.<br>My Renoise works and finds the FOlder and the included native Linux VST.<br>Downloaded an tested discoDSP Discovery and Loomer Aspect and Loomer String.<br>
+All work great. The Loomer stuff was tested with the .so and as standalone.<br><br>Yes, I know that I just outed myself as payer for software .... but only if it runs on Linux ... natively.<br>btw, I only use ogg samples with my renoise. ... oufti<br>
+<br><br>regards, saschas  <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/19 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/19 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com" target="_blank">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div> 
+<br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div></div>2) I&#39;m not 100% shure on this, but afaik you only need the VST-Headers if you want win32-vst<br>
+
+</blockquote><div> </div></div><div>Yes, i think too. More precisly, only with a good rewrite of aeffects.h file (but not without troll-patent)<br><br>We need the Franck review<br></div></div><br>very happy to see movment around studio in mageia :)<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>I just tested it and uninstalled DSSI-vst and DSSI-vst-wine. Kept the VST_PATH though.<br>My Renoise works and finds the FOlder and the included native Linux VST.<br>Downloaded an tested discoDSP Discovery and Loomer Aspect and Loomer String.<br>
+All work great. The Loomer stuff was tested with the .so and as standalone.<br><br>Yes, I know that I just outed myself as payer for software .... but only if it runs on Linux ... natively.<br>btw, I only use ogg samples with my renoise. ... oufti<br>
+<br><br>regards, saschas  <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/19 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Could we use the wiki to start studio page ? <br></div></blockquote><div><br>I asked romain by mail and he would appreciate that we do.<br><br></div><br></div>greetings, saschas<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/19 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Could we use the wiki to start studio page ? <br></div></blockquote><div><br>I asked romain by mail and he would appreciate that we do.<br><br></div><br></div>greetings, saschas<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/19 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Found a workaround for myself for that:<br>1) instead of mp3 use ogg -&gt; if they want libs for mp3 they have to install them by themself<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>but with a software who wasnt compiled with this support, how ? ;-)<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div></div>2) I&#39;m not 100% shure on this, but afaik you only need the VST-Headers if you want win32-vst<br>
+</blockquote><div> </div><div>Yes, i think too. More precisly, only with a good rewrite of aeffects.h file (but not without troll-patent)<br><br>We need the Franck review<br></div></div><br>very happy to see movment around studio in mageia :)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/19 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Found a workaround for myself for that:<br>1) instead of mp3 use ogg -&gt; if they want libs for mp3 they have to install them by themself<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>but with a software who wasnt compiled with this support, how ? ;-)<br>
+ <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div></div>2) I&#39;m not 100% shure on this, but afaik you only need the VST-Headers if you want win32-vst<br>
+</blockquote><div> </div><div>Yes, i think too. More precisly, only with a good rewrite of aeffects.h file (but not without troll-patent)<br><br>We need the Franck review<br></div></div><br>very happy to see movment around studio in mageia :)<br>
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+For the idea came up to add this subgroup to the mageia-wiki, to gather the ideas on this topic, I surfed and cracled my brain a bit.<br>At this moment I don&#39;t see, how and where a sub-group like sound-studio could be added into the existing wiki <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken" class="hps">thematically</span></span>.<br>
+<br>Would it be a idea to add this topic to the <a href="http://mageiauser.org">mageiauser.org</a> and alter the initial post with the inputs of the ML and irc&#39;s??<br>This way we could also include inputs from other irc&#39;s or forums, like <a href="http://linuxaudio.org">linuxaudio.org</a>, #linuxmao, #lau, #opensourcemusician etc ...<br>
+<br>regards, sascha<br><br>
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+For the idea came up to add this subgroup to the mageia-wiki, to gather the ideas on this topic, I surfed and cracled my brain a bit.<br>At this moment I don&#39;t see, how and where a sub-group like sound-studio could be added into the existing wiki <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken" class="hps">thematically</span></span>.<br>
+<br>Would it be a idea to add this topic to the <a href="http://mageiauser.org">mageiauser.org</a> and alter the initial post with the inputs of the ML and irc&#39;s??<br>This way we could also include inputs from other irc&#39;s or forums, like <a href="http://linuxaudio.org">linuxaudio.org</a>, #linuxmao, #lau, #opensourcemusician etc ...<br>
+<br>regards, sascha<br><br>
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+I just added a discussion to the forum<br>and will alter and update the content later this day<br><br>see: <a href="http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/11/mageia-sound-studio">http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/11/mageia-sound-studio</a><br>
+<br>regards, saschas<br><br><br>
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+I just added a discussion to the forum<br>and will alter and update the content later this day<br><br>see: <a href="http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/11/mageia-sound-studio">http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/11/mageia-sound-studio</a><br>
+<br>regards, saschas<br><br><br>
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+I added the discussion to that forum, because I and some others in the ml don&#39;t see a place to discuss this in the existing dokuwiki at this time thematically and I don&#39;t want to rap up the existing state.<br>If we have an official mageia-forum it will be easy to copy the content, for I will keep my initial post up to date.<br>
+<br>But, if someone official adds me a corner to the existing wiki for this sub-group, I will start adding the content right away.<br><br>greetings, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/20 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Thorsten van Lil &lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-12-20<br>
+
+<div class="im">&gt; Am 20.12.2010 10:54, schrieb SaschaS:<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; see: <a href="http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/11/mageia-sound-studio" target="_blank">http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/11/mageia-sound-studio</a><br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; why did you<br>
+&gt; add the discussion on <a href="http://mageiuserer.org" target="_blank">mageiuserer.org</a> and not on<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a> where it should be (in my<br>
+&gt; opinion)?<br>
+</div>Yes, since <a href="http://mageiausers.org" target="_blank">mageiausers.org</a> is not an official forum of the mageia<br>
+project, you have a high probability, it will end up in a parallel<br>
+discussion the important people (devs and so on) will not follow.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+I added the discussion to that forum, because I and some others in the ml don&#39;t see a place to discuss this in the existing dokuwiki at this time thematically and I don&#39;t want to rap up the existing state.<br>If we have an official mageia-forum it will be easy to copy the content, for I will keep my initial post up to date.<br>
+<br>But, if someone official adds me a corner to the existing wiki for this sub-group, I will start adding the content right away.<br><br>greetings, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/20 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Thorsten van Lil &lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-12-20<br>
+
+<div class="im">&gt; Am 20.12.2010 10:54, schrieb SaschaS:<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; see: <a href="http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/11/mageia-sound-studio" target="_blank">http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/11/mageia-sound-studio</a><br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; why did you<br>
+&gt; add the discussion on <a href="http://mageiuserer.org" target="_blank">mageiuserer.org</a> and not on<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a> where it should be (in my<br>
+&gt; opinion)?<br>
+</div>Yes, since <a href="http://mageiausers.org" target="_blank">mageiausers.org</a> is not an official forum of the mageia<br>
+project, you have a high probability, it will end up in a parallel<br>
+discussion the important people (devs and so on) will not follow.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+o.k., lets see if this one works<br><br><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=soundstudio">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=soundstudio</a><br><br>I can not edit the initial wikipage to add a link to this page, so only people who know this link can join for now.<br>
+<br>regards, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/20 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/12/20 SaschaS &lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I added the discussion to that forum, because I and some others in the ml<br>
+&gt; don&#39;t see a place to discuss this in the existing dokuwiki at this time<br>
+&gt; thematically and I don&#39;t want to rap up the existing state.<br>
+&gt; If we have an official mageia-forum it will be easy to copy the content, for<br>
+&gt; I will keep my initial post up to date.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; But, if someone official adds me a corner to the existing wiki for this<br>
+&gt; sub-group, I will start adding the content right away.<br>
+<br>
+</div>What kind of problem do you see with the Mageia wiki? You can easily<br>
+create a page and start filling it with contents.<br>
+The problem I see with discussing it anywhere else is the possible<br>
+absence of Mageia developpers/packagers who may not be eager to go to<br>
+different places while there is a central place for such things (as<br>
+Oliver already mentioned).<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+o.k., lets see if this one works<br><br><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=soundstudio">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=soundstudio</a><br><br>I can not edit the initial wikipage to add a link to this page, so only people who know this link can join for now.<br>
+<br>regards, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/20 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/12/20 SaschaS &lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I added the discussion to that forum, because I and some others in the ml<br>
+&gt; don&#39;t see a place to discuss this in the existing dokuwiki at this time<br>
+&gt; thematically and I don&#39;t want to rap up the existing state.<br>
+&gt; If we have an official mageia-forum it will be easy to copy the content, for<br>
+&gt; I will keep my initial post up to date.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; But, if someone official adds me a corner to the existing wiki for this<br>
+&gt; sub-group, I will start adding the content right away.<br>
+<br>
+</div>What kind of problem do you see with the Mageia wiki? You can easily<br>
+create a page and start filling it with contents.<br>
+The problem I see with discussing it anywhere else is the possible<br>
+absence of Mageia developpers/packagers who may not be eager to go to<br>
+different places while there is a central place for such things (as<br>
+Oliver already mentioned).<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi muny, nice you joined.<br><br>your script looks very good, will go through it in detail this eve, thanks for posting and joining.<br><br>The GtFxFloorboard is an app to create effects with the Boss GT-series Effectboards.<br>
+It has no sounds or effects itself, one will have to buy a BossGT Effektboard. <br>Runs both on 32bit and 64bit Linux.<br><a href="http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/">http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/</a><br>this is the projectpage of gumtown who wrote this nice little gui.<br>
+<br>regards, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/21 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Re Sascha, i post an script idea for your review.<br>Only for idea on &quot;what we need to configure&quot; not for use itself, not for users<br>Feel free to destroy or improve :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>ps : what is this ???<br>
+
+<a href="http://api.ning.com/files/wW2idnZhBeMI5mcdz*S108XoY2cud0alNupOzCi8K7GyZRWhfRV3LfVQp7VZsqosA1NUchdwvv3t*Gen1N4BjtiarucY*caG/GtFxFloorboard.jpg" target="_blank">http://api.ning.com/files/wW2idnZhBeMI5mcdz*S108XoY2cud0alNupOzCi8K7GyZRWhfRV3LfVQp7VZsqosA1NUchdwvv3t*Gen1N4BjtiarucY*caG/GtFxFloorboard.jpg</a><br>
+
+FLOSS ??<br><br></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi muny, nice you joined.<br><br>your script looks very good, will go through it in detail this eve, thanks for posting and joining.<br><br>The GtFxFloorboard is an app to create effects with the Boss GT-series Effectboards.<br>
+It has no sounds or effects itself, one will have to buy a BossGT Effektboard. <br>Runs both on 32bit and 64bit Linux.<br><a href="http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/">http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/</a><br>this is the projectpage of gumtown who wrote this nice little gui.<br>
+<br>regards, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/21 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Re Sascha, i post an script idea for your review.<br>Only for idea on &quot;what we need to configure&quot; not for use itself, not for users<br>Feel free to destroy or improve :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>ps : what is this ???<br>
+
+<a href="http://api.ning.com/files/wW2idnZhBeMI5mcdz*S108XoY2cud0alNupOzCi8K7GyZRWhfRV3LfVQp7VZsqosA1NUchdwvv3t*Gen1N4BjtiarucY*caG/GtFxFloorboard.jpg" target="_blank">http://api.ning.com/files/wW2idnZhBeMI5mcdz*S108XoY2cud0alNupOzCi8K7GyZRWhfRV3LfVQp7VZsqosA1NUchdwvv3t*Gen1N4BjtiarucY*caG/GtFxFloorboard.jpg</a><br>
+
+FLOSS ??<br><br></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<p>Hello Sacha,<br>
+An old wiki page <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/ProAudio">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/ProAudio</a> summary of somes tips.</p>
+<p>Maybe you could this wiki, but /en/, to start working on, because mageia wiki isnt perenial.</p>
+<p>Franck, question : have any Jost (and Jucetice) X86-64 version ?</p>
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+<p>Hello Sacha,<br>
+An old wiki page <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/ProAudio">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/ProAudio</a> summary of somes tips.</p>
+<p>Maybe you could this wiki, but /en/, to start working on, because mageia wiki isnt perenial.</p>
+<p>Franck, question : have any Jost (and Jucetice) X86-64 version ?</p>
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+Re Sascha,<br><br>Someone start this on Mandriva Linux Forum :<br><a href="http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=133656">http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=133656</a><br>Maybe you could take and give on ?<br>
+<br>Mageia wiki doesnt seems perenial, so for now and a little time use forum for :<br>_ transparency (no need to search about ml named dev!)<br>_ listen users directly<br>_ share ideas because same base<br><br>best regards<br>
+<br>
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+Re Sascha,<br><br>Someone start this on Mandriva Linux Forum :<br><a href="http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=133656">http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=133656</a><br>Maybe you could take and give on ?<br>
+<br>Mageia wiki doesnt seems perenial, so for now and a little time use forum for :<br>_ transparency (no need to search about ml named dev!)<br>_ listen users directly<br>_ share ideas because same base<br><br>best regards<br>
+<br>
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+Re Sascha, i post an script idea for your review.<br>Only for idea on &quot;what we need to configure&quot; not for use itself, not for users<br>Feel free to destroy or improve :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>ps : what is this ???<br>
+<a href="http://api.ning.com/files/wW2idnZhBeMI5mcdz*S108XoY2cud0alNupOzCi8K7GyZRWhfRV3LfVQp7VZsqosA1NUchdwvv3t*Gen1N4BjtiarucY*caG/GtFxFloorboard.jpg">http://api.ning.com/files/wW2idnZhBeMI5mcdz*S108XoY2cud0alNupOzCi8K7GyZRWhfRV3LfVQp7VZsqosA1NUchdwvv3t*Gen1N4BjtiarucY*caG/GtFxFloorboard.jpg</a><br>
+FLOSS ??<br><br></div><br>
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+Re Sascha, i post an script idea for your review.<br>Only for idea on &quot;what we need to configure&quot; not for use itself, not for users<br>Feel free to destroy or improve :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>ps : what is this ???<br>
+<a href="http://api.ning.com/files/wW2idnZhBeMI5mcdz*S108XoY2cud0alNupOzCi8K7GyZRWhfRV3LfVQp7VZsqosA1NUchdwvv3t*Gen1N4BjtiarucY*caG/GtFxFloorboard.jpg">http://api.ning.com/files/wW2idnZhBeMI5mcdz*S108XoY2cud0alNupOzCi8K7GyZRWhfRV3LfVQp7VZsqosA1NUchdwvv3t*Gen1N4BjtiarucY*caG/GtFxFloorboard.jpg</a><br>
+FLOSS ??<br><br></div><br>
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+Just registered achannel on freenode<br><br>#mageia-soundstudio<br><br>feel free to join for some off-topic or detailed discussion<br><br>@mageia-officials: if o.k., could someone make this channel official??<br>I only have linked it on the soundstudio wiki.<br>
+<br>regards, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/21 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/21 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com" target="_blank">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div class="im"><br><a href="http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/</a><br>
+
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">this is the projectpage of gumtown who wrote this nice little gui</blockquote></div>
+<div>
+<br>\o/ <br>thanks !! <br></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Just registered achannel on freenode<br><br>#mageia-soundstudio<br><br>feel free to join for some off-topic or detailed discussion<br><br>@mageia-officials: if o.k., could someone make this channel official??<br>I only have linked it on the soundstudio wiki.<br>
+<br>regards, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/21 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/21 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com" target="_blank">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div class="im"><br><a href="http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/</a><br>
+
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">this is the projectpage of gumtown who wrote this nice little gui</blockquote></div>
+<div>
+<br>\o/ <br>thanks !! <br></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Wiki updated <a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=soundstudio">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=soundstudio</a><br><br>muny added a script<br>I added some thoughts on drakwizard vs kdialog vs zenity<br><br>
+regards, saschas<br>
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+Wiki updated <a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=soundstudio">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=soundstudio</a><br><br>muny added a script<br>I added some thoughts on drakwizard vs kdialog vs zenity<br><br>
+regards, saschas<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/21 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><a href="http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/</a><br>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">this is the projectpage of gumtown who wrote this nice little gui</blockquote><div>
+<br>\o/ <br>thanks !! <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/21 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><a href="http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://fxfloorboard.sourceforge.net/</a><br>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">this is the projectpage of gumtown who wrote this nice little gui</blockquote><div>
+<br>\o/ <br>thanks !! <br></div></div><br>
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+This sounds great, <br><br>latest kernel-tmb I see in the repos (64bit) is 2.6.31<br>will test it this eve on my both mashines with my musicapps.<br><br>Thanks Thomas<br><br>added this kernel as an option to the wiki<br><br>
+regard, saschas<br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/22 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+SaschaS skrev 17.12.2010 18:49:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+After having a looong chat with the guys from linux4audio and reading<br>
+tons of posts in ccrma forum, I must say .....<br>
+<br>
+Idea with an rt-kernel for netbooks ....... DISMISSED .... it simply<br>
+makes no sense.<br>
+Those guys mostly use gentoo and build their own kernel for years now<br>
+and they gave me the following hints, that also can be found in<br>
+discussions of other distributions:<br>
+1) the kernel (without preemption-patch) should have<br>
+<br>
+Processor type and features&gt;&gt;  Preemption Mode&gt;&gt;  Complete Preemption (Real-Time)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in kernel-tmb<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Processor type and features&gt;&gt;  Timer frequency&gt;&gt;  1000 HZ<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in all -desktop kernels<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+General setup&gt;&gt;  RCU Subsystem&gt;&gt;  RCU Implementation (Preemptable tree-based hierarchical RCU)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in kernel-tmb<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+  Proccesor Type and features &gt;&gt; Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) should<br>
+be excluded<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This one you can get by booting with &quot;nohz=off&quot; on the kernel command line.<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+This sounds great, <br><br>latest kernel-tmb I see in the repos (64bit) is 2.6.31<br>will test it this eve on my both mashines with my musicapps.<br><br>Thanks Thomas<br><br>added this kernel as an option to the wiki<br><br>
+regard, saschas<br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/22 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+SaschaS skrev 17.12.2010 18:49:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+After having a looong chat with the guys from linux4audio and reading<br>
+tons of posts in ccrma forum, I must say .....<br>
+<br>
+Idea with an rt-kernel for netbooks ....... DISMISSED .... it simply<br>
+makes no sense.<br>
+Those guys mostly use gentoo and build their own kernel for years now<br>
+and they gave me the following hints, that also can be found in<br>
+discussions of other distributions:<br>
+1) the kernel (without preemption-patch) should have<br>
+<br>
+Processor type and features&gt;&gt;  Preemption Mode&gt;&gt;  Complete Preemption (Real-Time)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in kernel-tmb<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Processor type and features&gt;&gt;  Timer frequency&gt;&gt;  1000 HZ<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in all -desktop kernels<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+General setup&gt;&gt;  RCU Subsystem&gt;&gt;  RCU Implementation (Preemptable tree-based hierarchical RCU)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in kernel-tmb<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+  Proccesor Type and features &gt;&gt; Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) should<br>
+be excluded<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This one you can get by booting with &quot;nohz=off&quot; on the kernel command line.<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<p>Hi there</p>
+<p>Hope you all enjoy christmas time!</p>
+<p>As proposed on last packagers meeting, here is the process for this vote:</p>
+<p>1- list all candidates until 31 of december on this thread<br>
+2- use epoll to vote for 2 representatives until 3rd of january (next packagers meeting)</p>
+<p>Please be careful with timetable so that we can start work on the beginning of 2011</p>
+<p>Cheers<br>
+</p>
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+<p>Hi there</p>
+<p>Hope you all enjoy christmas time!</p>
+<p>As proposed on last packagers meeting, here is the process for this vote:</p>
+<p>1- list all candidates until 31 of december on this thread<br>
+2- use epoll to vote for 2 representatives until 3rd of january (next packagers meeting)</p>
+<p>Please be careful with timetable so that we can start work on the beginning of 2011</p>
+<p>Cheers<br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 2010-12-26 07:16, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :<br>
+
+<br>
+Should I submit this as a bug? Do we have a bugzilla?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>We should submit it as a bug when we are sure it will exist in Mageia and no at the moment we don&#39;t have bugzilla yet, but the guys are working on it.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 2010-12-26 07:16, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :<br>
+
+<br>
+Should I submit this as a bug? Do we have a bugzilla?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>We should submit it as a bug when we are sure it will exist in Mageia and no at the moment we don&#39;t have bugzilla yet, but the guys are working on it.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On 12/27/10, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; or packager could instead of doing all that work, fix it...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+That would be ideal, but probably not realistic. Many bugs are to be<br>
+fixed upstream.<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps no bugs should be imported and packager could follow MDV<br>
+Bugzilla to see if, when and how  they are fixed. Mageia bug reports<br>
+should be triaged on their own. After all, they are now Mageia<br>
+packages.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I agree to that. I think it would be better to create the bugs in our bugzilla until they are found. Maybe while importing the packages from Mandriva they are fixed already in Mandriva without recognising it.<br>
+It&#39;s better to start with a clean bugzilla then having such old bugs which i think won&#39;t be fixed at all.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On 12/27/10, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; or packager could instead of doing all that work, fix it...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+That would be ideal, but probably not realistic. Many bugs are to be<br>
+fixed upstream.<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps no bugs should be imported and packager could follow MDV<br>
+Bugzilla to see if, when and how  they are fixed. Mageia bug reports<br>
+should be triaged on their own. After all, they are now Mageia<br>
+packages.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I agree to that. I think it would be better to create the bugs in our bugzilla until they are found. Maybe while importing the packages from Mandriva they are fixed already in Mandriva without recognising it.<br>
+It&#39;s better to start with a clean bugzilla then having such old bugs which i think won&#39;t be fixed at all.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Yes I am xardas008.<br><br>Ok then I will continue on importing later.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Leandro Dorileo <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ldorileo@gmail.com">ldorileo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi<br>
+<br>
+On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Daniel Kreuter<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Thursday 16 December 2010 19:21:32 Remy CLOUARD wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; - DKMS<br>
+&gt;&gt;   <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/DKMS_packaging_policy" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/DKMS_packaging_policy</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I imported the quoted part, if someone would read over it and give me<br>
+&gt; some feedback then I can continue on others.<br>
+<br>
+I have checked it and fixed some minor things, seems to be ok.  You<br>
+can move on. :-)<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I wanted to mark some words in another Color to highlight them such as<br>
+&gt; files or something like that but didn&#39;t find the keywords for that, if<br>
+&gt; someone knows them I&#39;ll change that.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Bold is a good highlight, you can list commands with &lt;code&gt;(like you<br>
+did, are you xardas008 BTW? :-).<br>
+<br>
+PS: In case of policies mentioning sub-project`s ML(like happens with<br>
+DKMS) we can replace it with mageia-dev by now, untill we need teams<br>
+and sub-projects, what others think?<br>
+<br>
+Regards....<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Leandro Dorileo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Yes I am xardas008.<br><br>Ok then I will continue on importing later.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Leandro Dorileo <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ldorileo@gmail.com">ldorileo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi<br>
+<br>
+On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Daniel Kreuter<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Thursday 16 December 2010 19:21:32 Remy CLOUARD wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; - DKMS<br>
+&gt;&gt;   <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/DKMS_packaging_policy" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/DKMS_packaging_policy</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I imported the quoted part, if someone would read over it and give me<br>
+&gt; some feedback then I can continue on others.<br>
+<br>
+I have checked it and fixed some minor things, seems to be ok.  You<br>
+can move on. :-)<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I wanted to mark some words in another Color to highlight them such as<br>
+&gt; files or something like that but didn&#39;t find the keywords for that, if<br>
+&gt; someone knows them I&#39;ll change that.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Bold is a good highlight, you can list commands with &lt;code&gt;(like you<br>
+did, are you xardas008 BTW? :-).<br>
+<br>
+PS: In case of policies mentioning sub-project`s ML(like happens with<br>
+DKMS) we can replace it with mageia-dev by now, untill we need teams<br>
+and sub-projects, what others think?<br>
+<br>
+Regards....<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Leandro Dorileo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Remy CLOUARD <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org">shikamaru@mandriva.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+
+- Initscripts<br>
+  <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Policies/Initscripts" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Policies/Initscripts</a><br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Rémy CLOUARD<br>
+() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail<br>
+/\ <a href="http://www.asciiribbon.org" target="_blank">www.asciiribbon.org</a> - against proprietary attachments<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Imported this one today. Please review it. Please read carefully over the parallel initscripts section linked in the reference-section because there are some items i didn&#39;t know if we want to keep them or just remove them.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Remy CLOUARD <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org">shikamaru@mandriva.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+
+- Initscripts<br>
+  <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Policies/Initscripts" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Policies/Initscripts</a><br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Rémy CLOUARD<br>
+() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail<br>
+/\ <a href="http://www.asciiribbon.org" target="_blank">www.asciiribbon.org</a> - against proprietary attachments<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Imported this one today. Please review it. Please read carefully over the parallel initscripts section linked in the reference-section because there are some items i didn&#39;t know if we want to keep them or just remove them.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+I made a couple of simple kernel tests with different Mandriva kernels to see if Kernel-RT is really needed or should be recommanded.<br>I used the same song in same daw with qjackctl, same everything, except the kernel.<br>
+
+
+I used the Hunz-Demo-song in Renoise 2.6 with low Frames in QJackctl to force some XRUNS on my Laptop with onboard soundcard. 
+
+<ul><li class="level1"><div class="li"> kernel-desktop-2.6.33.7-2mnb                 &rArr;   14 XRUNS</div>
+</li><li class="level1"><div class="li"> kernel-desktop-tmb-desktop-2.6.34-10mdv      &rArr;   10 XRUNS</div>
+</li><li class="level1"><div class="li"> kernel-rt-2.6.33.5-1.rt23.1                  &rArr;    2 XRUNS</div>
+</li></ul>I also use the RTIRQ from Rui Nuno Capela with the Kernel-RT<br><br>any other experiences??<br><br>regards, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/22 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">This sounds great, <br><br>latest kernel-tmb I see in the repos (64bit) is 2.6.31<br>will test it this eve on my both mashines with my musicapps.<br>
+<br>Thanks Thomas<br><br>added this kernel as an option to the wiki<br><br>
+regard, saschas<br>&nbsp;<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/22 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi" target="_blank">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+SaschaS skrev 17.12.2010 18:49:<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+After having a looong chat with the guys from linux4audio and reading<br>
+tons of posts in ccrma forum, I must say .....<br>
+<br>
+Idea with an rt-kernel for netbooks ....... DISMISSED .... it simply<br>
+makes no sense.<br>
+Those guys mostly use gentoo and build their own kernel for years now<br>
+and they gave me the following hints, that also can be found in<br>
+discussions of other distributions:<br>
+1) the kernel (without preemption-patch) should have<br>
+<br>
+Processor type and features&gt;&gt; &nbsp;Preemption Mode&gt;&gt; &nbsp;Complete Preemption (Real-Time)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in kernel-tmb<div><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Processor type and features&gt;&gt; &nbsp;Timer frequency&gt;&gt; &nbsp;1000 HZ<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in all -desktop kernels<div><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+General setup&gt;&gt; &nbsp;RCU Subsystem&gt;&gt; &nbsp;RCU Implementation (Preemptable tree-based hierarchical RCU)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in kernel-tmb<div><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+ &nbsp;Proccesor Type and features &gt;&gt; Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) should<br>
+be excluded<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This one you can get by booting with &quot;nohz=off&quot; on the kernel command line.<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+I made a couple of simple kernel tests with different Mandriva kernels to see if Kernel-RT is really needed or should be recommanded.<br>I used the same song in same daw with qjackctl, same everything, except the kernel.<br>
+
+
+I used the Hunz-Demo-song in Renoise 2.6 with low Frames in QJackctl to force some XRUNS on my Laptop with onboard soundcard. 
+
+<ul><li class="level1"><div class="li"> kernel-desktop-2.6.33.7-2mnb                 &rArr;   14 XRUNS</div>
+</li><li class="level1"><div class="li"> kernel-desktop-tmb-desktop-2.6.34-10mdv      &rArr;   10 XRUNS</div>
+</li><li class="level1"><div class="li"> kernel-rt-2.6.33.5-1.rt23.1                  &rArr;    2 XRUNS</div>
+</li></ul>I also use the RTIRQ from Rui Nuno Capela with the Kernel-RT<br><br>any other experiences??<br><br>regards, saschas<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/22 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ungleichklang@gmail.com">ungleichklang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">This sounds great, <br><br>latest kernel-tmb I see in the repos (64bit) is 2.6.31<br>will test it this eve on my both mashines with my musicapps.<br>
+<br>Thanks Thomas<br><br>added this kernel as an option to the wiki<br><br>
+regard, saschas<br>&nbsp;<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/22 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi" target="_blank">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+SaschaS skrev 17.12.2010 18:49:<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+After having a looong chat with the guys from linux4audio and reading<br>
+tons of posts in ccrma forum, I must say .....<br>
+<br>
+Idea with an rt-kernel for netbooks ....... DISMISSED .... it simply<br>
+makes no sense.<br>
+Those guys mostly use gentoo and build their own kernel for years now<br>
+and they gave me the following hints, that also can be found in<br>
+discussions of other distributions:<br>
+1) the kernel (without preemption-patch) should have<br>
+<br>
+Processor type and features&gt;&gt; &nbsp;Preemption Mode&gt;&gt; &nbsp;Complete Preemption (Real-Time)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in kernel-tmb<div><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Processor type and features&gt;&gt; &nbsp;Timer frequency&gt;&gt; &nbsp;1000 HZ<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in all -desktop kernels<div><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+General setup&gt;&gt; &nbsp;RCU Subsystem&gt;&gt; &nbsp;RCU Implementation (Preemptable tree-based hierarchical RCU)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is already enabled in kernel-tmb<div><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+ &nbsp;Proccesor Type and features &gt;&gt; Tickless System (Dynamic Ticks) should<br>
+be excluded<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This one you can get by booting with &quot;nohz=off&quot; on the kernel command line.<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>Am Freitag, 7. Januar 2011, um 01:38:39 schrieb Pascal Terjan:</div><div>&gt; On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 23:55, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; </div><div>wrote:</div>
+<div>&gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 07 januari 2011 00:02:56 schreef Anne nicolas:</div><div>&gt; &gt;&gt; Here are finally the results and detail of this vote</div><div>&gt; &gt;&gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="https://epoll.mageia.org/vote/ISJTLYRT">https://epoll.mageia.org/vote/ISJTLYRT</a></div>
+<div>&gt; &gt;&gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks for participating!</div><div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; the voting is clear, but however:</div><div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; something odd is going on with epoll, and should be looked it, imho:</div>
+<div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; there&#39;s invalid votes, but there&#39;s also a valid vote with a</div><div>&gt; &gt; non-participant on it. (anssi) ?</div><div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; and sandro is there twice?</div>
+<div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; perhaps there is still bugs in it? (not that it would change the</div><div>&gt; &gt; results....)</div><div>&gt; </div><div>&gt; Maybe invalid ballots are when people chose someone from the list of</div>
+<div>&gt; voters and not the list of candidates</div><div><br></div><div>The question is, for what reason are these fields? When i voted i was </div><div>questening myself what i should do with them so i left them blank as they </div>
+<div>were. But not everyone does so (as we can see now).</div><div><br></div><div>The bigger question i, why is the vote for anssi valid, but for stormi not </div><div>(line 7)? </div>
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+<div>Am Freitag, 7. Januar 2011, um 01:38:39 schrieb Pascal Terjan:</div><div>&gt; On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 23:55, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; </div><div>wrote:</div>
+<div>&gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 07 januari 2011 00:02:56 schreef Anne nicolas:</div><div>&gt; &gt;&gt; Here are finally the results and detail of this vote</div><div>&gt; &gt;&gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="https://epoll.mageia.org/vote/ISJTLYRT">https://epoll.mageia.org/vote/ISJTLYRT</a></div>
+<div>&gt; &gt;&gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks for participating!</div><div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; the voting is clear, but however:</div><div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; something odd is going on with epoll, and should be looked it, imho:</div>
+<div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; there&#39;s invalid votes, but there&#39;s also a valid vote with a</div><div>&gt; &gt; non-participant on it. (anssi) ?</div><div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; and sandro is there twice?</div>
+<div>&gt; &gt; </div><div>&gt; &gt; perhaps there is still bugs in it? (not that it would change the</div><div>&gt; &gt; results....)</div><div>&gt; </div><div>&gt; Maybe invalid ballots are when people chose someone from the list of</div>
+<div>&gt; voters and not the list of candidates</div><div><br></div><div>The question is, for what reason are these fields? When i voted i was </div><div>questening myself what i should do with them so i left them blank as they </div>
+<div>were. But not everyone does so (as we can see now).</div><div><br></div><div>The bigger question i, why is the vote for anssi valid, but for stormi not </div><div>(line 7)? </div>
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+As the actual policy is too old, who wants to write a new one describing the open jdk instead of gcj ?<br>My experience in packaging is not too good to do that on my own.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Anssi Hannula <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anssi.hannula@iki.fi">anssi.hannula@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On 08.01.2011 11:39, Farfouille wrote:<br><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+My suggestion would be to look at how Mandriva packages are done, as we<br>
+will probably initially follow their java policy.<br>
+(note that the mandriva java packages do not have the gcj AOT binaries,<br>
+and they are compiled with openjdk on archs were openjdk is available)<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m not saying that a completely new java packaging policy is not needed<br>
+(it is), though, so if the java developers have the resources to convert<br>
+all imported java packages to a completely new policy, I&#39;m all for it :)<br>
+<br>
+There are around 400 java packages in Mandriva, though I hope we don&#39;t<br>
+need to import all of them (i.e. hopefully many are unused/old).<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Anssi Hannula<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>That could be a very hard task, because you have to look if there aren&#39;t any dependencies on some of these packages. I would suggest to drop the whole gcj packages, but even it&#39;s unmaintained now by upstream, there are a few programs depending on it (like a few packages of ant i think)<div>
+But writing a policy about the openjdk would be the right thing now because we will integrate it, it&#39;s also in mandriva but without a policy or Remy didn&#39;t find one for that.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+On 08.01.2011 11:39, Farfouille wrote:<br><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+My suggestion would be to look at how Mandriva packages are done, as we<br>
+will probably initially follow their java policy.<br>
+(note that the mandriva java packages do not have the gcj AOT binaries,<br>
+and they are compiled with openjdk on archs were openjdk is available)<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m not saying that a completely new java packaging policy is not needed<br>
+(it is), though, so if the java developers have the resources to convert<br>
+all imported java packages to a completely new policy, I&#39;m all for it :)<br>
+<br>
+There are around 400 java packages in Mandriva, though I hope we don&#39;t<br>
+need to import all of them (i.e. hopefully many are unused/old).<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Anssi Hannula<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>That could be a very hard task, because you have to look if there aren&#39;t any dependencies on some of these packages. I would suggest to drop the whole gcj packages, but even it&#39;s unmaintained now by upstream, there are a few programs depending on it (like a few packages of ant i think)<div>
+But writing a policy about the openjdk would be the right thing now because we will integrate it, it&#39;s also in mandriva but without a policy or Remy didn&#39;t find one for that.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+<html>
+<head>
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+Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTik_goSz3Rybp0M0p5YJZ94phafiKWPhPNjvLRqh@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite"><br>
+I don't agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from <a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://eclipse.org">eclipse.org</a> (for
+eclipse) or <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://netbeans.org">netbeans.org</a>
+(for netbeans) instead of the one's of repository provided by the
+distro.<br>
+The reason is quite simple, the one's mentioned above are newer than
+the one's in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for
+it, it was so)<br>
+  <br>
+But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that's
+right, but not everybody.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well, I didn't say *everybody*, I was referring to newer users who
+might actually do what we tell them to :-)<br>
+<br>
+The problem is that there is a very high probability that anyone who
+installs from an RPM will then install plugins directly.  Given that, I
+would question even packaging the base product as an RPM.<br>
+<br>
+Then again, there's the concern about whether an RPM-provided package
+may provide something a tarball does not, or vice-versa.  For example,
+the MDV Java RPMs play all sorts of games with /etc/alternatives and
+don't (I think) set environment variables like JAVA_HOME.  This means
+that tarball installs of things like Ant need manual tweaking to work
+correctly with an RPM-based JDK.  The RPM-based Ant has wrapper scripts
+which depend on the /etc/alternatives stuff and determine JAVA_HOME on
+the fly.<br>
+</body>
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+Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTik_goSz3Rybp0M0p5YJZ94phafiKWPhPNjvLRqh@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite"><br>
+I don't agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from <a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://eclipse.org">eclipse.org</a> (for
+eclipse) or <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://netbeans.org">netbeans.org</a>
+(for netbeans) instead of the one's of repository provided by the
+distro.<br>
+The reason is quite simple, the one's mentioned above are newer than
+the one's in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for
+it, it was so)<br>
+  <br>
+But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that's
+right, but not everybody.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well, I didn't say *everybody*, I was referring to newer users who
+might actually do what we tell them to :-)<br>
+<br>
+The problem is that there is a very high probability that anyone who
+installs from an RPM will then install plugins directly.  Given that, I
+would question even packaging the base product as an RPM.<br>
+<br>
+Then again, there's the concern about whether an RPM-provided package
+may provide something a tarball does not, or vice-versa.  For example,
+the MDV Java RPMs play all sorts of games with /etc/alternatives and
+don't (I think) set environment variables like JAVA_HOME.  This means
+that tarball installs of things like Ant need manual tweaking to work
+correctly with an RPM-based JDK.  The RPM-based Ant has wrapper scripts
+which depend on the /etc/alternatives stuff and determine JAVA_HOME on
+the fly.<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+No they won&#39;t.  They won&#39;t know anything about the distinction between<br>
+installing via RPM or via tarball.  They&#39;ll look in rpmdrake for Eclipse<br>
+initially, install it from there, and then use the normal Eclipse<br>
+mechanism to install plugins.  They&#39;ll do this because we tell them to<br>
+use rpmdrake to look for software, and they&#39;ll do the plugins the way<br>
+they&#39;re used to or the way the Eclipse docs tell them to.<br></blockquote></div><br>I don&#39;t agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from <a href="http://eclipse.org">eclipse.org</a> (for eclipse) or <a href="http://netbeans.org">netbeans.org</a> (for netbeans) instead of the one&#39;s of repository provided by the distro.<br>
+The reason is quite simple, the one&#39;s mentioned above are newer than the one&#39;s in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for it, it was so)<br><br>But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that&#39;s right, but not everybody.<br>
+-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+No they won&#39;t.  They won&#39;t know anything about the distinction between<br>
+installing via RPM or via tarball.  They&#39;ll look in rpmdrake for Eclipse<br>
+initially, install it from there, and then use the normal Eclipse<br>
+mechanism to install plugins.  They&#39;ll do this because we tell them to<br>
+use rpmdrake to look for software, and they&#39;ll do the plugins the way<br>
+they&#39;re used to or the way the Eclipse docs tell them to.<br></blockquote></div><br>I don&#39;t agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from <a href="http://eclipse.org">eclipse.org</a> (for eclipse) or <a href="http://netbeans.org">netbeans.org</a> (for netbeans) instead of the one&#39;s of repository provided by the distro.<br>
+The reason is quite simple, the one&#39;s mentioned above are newer than the one&#39;s in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for it, it was so)<br><br>But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that&#39;s right, but not everybody.<br>
+-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+
+  
+
+<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+<blockquote type="cite"><br>
+I don&#39;t agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from <a href="http://eclipse.org" target="_blank">eclipse.org</a> (for
+eclipse) or <a href="http://netbeans.org" target="_blank">netbeans.org</a>
+(for netbeans) instead of the one&#39;s of repository provided by the
+distro.<br>
+The reason is quite simple, the one&#39;s mentioned above are newer than
+the one&#39;s in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for
+it, it was so)<br>
+  <br>
+But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that&#39;s
+right, but not everybody.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well, I didn&#39;t say *everybody*, I was referring to newer users who
+might actually do what we tell them to :-)<br>
+<br>
+The problem is that there is a very high probability that anyone who
+installs from an RPM will then install plugins directly.  Given that, I
+would question even packaging the base product as an RPM.<br>
+<br></div></blockquote></div>I agree with you. I think it&#39;s better to build just the basic ide with it&#39;s plugins and let the user install the rest via the Eclipse Marketplace (like Subclipse e.g.).<div>But we should consider that some of the plugins will have dependencies which won&#39;t be installed via the Marketplace like javaHL which is needed by Subclipse.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+
+  
+
+<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+Daniel Kreuter wrote:
+<blockquote type="cite"><br>
+I don&#39;t agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from <a href="http://eclipse.org" target="_blank">eclipse.org</a> (for
+eclipse) or <a href="http://netbeans.org" target="_blank">netbeans.org</a>
+(for netbeans) instead of the one&#39;s of repository provided by the
+distro.<br>
+The reason is quite simple, the one&#39;s mentioned above are newer than
+the one&#39;s in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for
+it, it was so)<br>
+  <br>
+But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that&#39;s
+right, but not everybody.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well, I didn&#39;t say *everybody*, I was referring to newer users who
+might actually do what we tell them to :-)<br>
+<br>
+The problem is that there is a very high probability that anyone who
+installs from an RPM will then install plugins directly.  Given that, I
+would question even packaging the base product as an RPM.<br>
+<br></div></blockquote></div>I agree with you. I think it&#39;s better to build just the basic ide with it&#39;s plugins and let the user install the rest via the Eclipse Marketplace (like Subclipse e.g.).<div>But we should consider that some of the plugins will have dependencies which won&#39;t be installed via the Marketplace like javaHL which is needed by Subclipse.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+%define branch 0
+%{?_branch: %{expand: %%global branch 1}}
+
+%define experimental 0
+%{?_experimental: %{expand: %%global experimental 1}}
+
+%define compile_apidox 0
+%{?_with_apidox: %{expand: %%global compile_apidox 1}}
+
+%define bootstrap 0
+%{?_without_bootstrap: %global bootstrap 0}
+%{?_with_bootstrap: %global bootstrap 1}
+
+%define epoch_kdelibs3 30000000
+%define kdefakes_major 5
+%define libkdefakes %mklibname kdefakes %kdefakes_major
+%define kde3support_major 4
+%define libkde3support %mklibname kde3support %kde3support_major
+%define kdesu_major 5
+%define libkdesu %mklibname kdesu %kdesu_major
+%define kdecore_major 5
+%define libkdecore %mklibname kdecore %kdecore_major
+%define khtml_major 5
+%define libkhtml %mklibname khtml %khtml_major
+%define kdeui_major 5
+%define libkdeui %mklibname kdeui %kdeui_major
+%define kdnssd_major 4
+%define libkdnssd %mklibname kdnssd %kdnssd_major
+%define kfile_major 4
+%define libkfile %mklibname kfile %kfile_major
+%define kimproxy_major 4
+%define libkimproxy %mklibname kimproxy %kimproxy_major
+%define kio_major 5
+%define libkio %mklibname kio %kio_major
+%define kjsembed_major 4
+%define libkjsembed %mklibname kjsembed %kjsembed_major
+%define kjs_major 4
+%define libkjs %mklibname kjs %kjs_major
+%define knotifyconfig_major 4
+%define libknotifyconfig %mklibname knotifyconfig %knotifyconfig_major
+%define kmediaplayer_major 4
+%define libkmediaplayer %mklibname kmediaplayer %kmediaplayer_major
+%define nepomuk_major 4
+%define libnepomuk %mklibname nepomuk %nepomuk_major
+%define kparts_major 4
+%define libkparts %mklibname kparts %kparts_major
+%define knewstuff2_major 4
+%define libknewstuff2 %mklibname knewstuff2_ %knewstuff2_major
+
+%define kntlm_major 4
+%define libkntlm %mklibname kntlm %kntlm_major
+%define krosscore_major 4
+%define libkrosscore %mklibname krosscore %krosscore_major
+%define krossui_major 4
+%define libkrossui %mklibname krossui %krossui_major
+%define ktexteditor_major 4
+%define libktexteditor %mklibname ktexteditor %ktexteditor_major
+%define kunittest_major 4
+%define libkunittest %mklibname kunittest %kunittest_major
+%define kutils_major 4
+%define libkutils %mklibname kutils %kutils_major
+%define threadweaver_major 4
+%define libthreadweaver %mklibname threadweaver %threadweaver_major
+
+%define solid_major 4
+%define libsolid %mklibname solid %solid_major
+
+%define kpty_major 4
+%define libkpty %mklibname kpty %kpty_major
+%define kjsapi_major 4
+%define libkjsapi %mklibname kjsapi %kjsapi_major
+
+%define libplasma_major 3
+%define libplasma %mklibname plasma %{libplasma_major}
+%define libkunitconversion_major 4
+%define libkunitconversion %mklibname kunitconversion %{libkunitconversion_major}
+%define libnepomukquery_major 4
+%define libnepomukquery %mklibname nepomukquery %{libnepomukquery_major}
+%define libkdewebkit_major 5
+%define libkdewebkit %mklibname kdewebkit %{libkdewebkit_major}
+%define libknewstuff3_major 4
+%define libknewstuff3 %mklibname knewstuff3_ %{libknewstuff3_major}
+%define libkatepartinterfaces_major 4
+%define libkatepartinterfaces %mklibname katepartinterfaces %{libkatepartinterfaces_major}
+%define libkcmutils_major 4
+%define libkcmutils %mklibname kcmutils %{libkcmutils_major}
+%define libkprintutils_major 4
+%define libkprintutils %mklibname kprintutils %{libkprintutils_major}
+%define libkidletime_major 4
+%define libkidletime %mklibname kidletime %{libkidletime_major}
+%define libkemoticons_major 4
+%define libkemoticons %mklibname kemoticons %{libkemoticons_major}
+%define libnepomukutils_major 4
+%define libnepomukutils %mklibname nepomukutils %{libnepomukutils_major}
+
+%if %branch
+%define kde_snapshot svn1198704
+%endif
+
+Name: kdelibs4
+Summary: K Desktop Environment - Libraries
+Version: 4.5.95
+%if %branch
+Release: %mkrel -c %kde_snapshot 1
+%else
+Release: %mkrel 1
+%endif
+Epoch: 2
+Group: Graphical desktop/KDE
+License: ARTISTIC BSD GPL_V2 LGPL_V2 QPL_V1.0
+BuildRoot: %_tmppath/%name-%version-%release-root
+URL: http://www.kde.org
+%if %branch
+Source: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-%version%kde_snapshot.tar.bz2
+%if %experimental
+Source1: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-experimental-%version%kde_snapshot.tar.bz2
+%endif
+%else
+Source: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-%version.tar.bz2
+%if %experimental
+Source1: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-experimental-%version.tar.bz2
+%endif
+%endif
+#Mageia Patches
+Patch0: kdelibs-4.5.85-add-extra-catalogs.patch
+Patch1: kdelibs-4.1.81-overrides-oxygen-iaora.patch
+Patch2: kdelibs-4.1.85-add-kde-menu.patch
+Patch3: kdelibs-4.2.95-fix-kross-lib.patch
+Patch4: kdelibs-4.5.85-add-default-places.patch
+Patch5: kdelibs-fix-containment.patch
+Patch6: kdelibs-4.4.0-use-timeline.patch
+Patch7: kdelibs-4.5.95-no-HAL.patch
+Patch8: kdelibs-4.3.90-install_all_css.patch
+Patch9: kdelibs-4.5.85-branding.patch
+patch10: kdelibs-4.5.85-policykit-workaround.patch
+Patch11: kdelibs-4.5.95-kate-wordwrap-ON.patch
+#Official backports ( P100 -> P199 )
+#Trunk patches ( P200 -> P299 )
+#Testing ( P300 -> inf )
+Patch301: kdelibs-testing-mdv47378.patch
+BuildRequires: kde4-macros >= 4.1.71
+BuildRequires: qt4-devel >= 4:4.7.0
+BuildRequires: qt4-qtdbus
+BuildRequires: avahi-compat-libdns_sd-devel 
+BuildRequires: avahi-client-devel
+BuildRequires: enchant-devel
+BuildRequires: libxslt-proc
+BuildRequires: libxslt-devel
+BuildRequires: libxml2 >= 2.4.11
+BuildRequires: openssl-devel
+BuildRequires: cups-devel >= 1.2
+BuildRequires: pcre-devel
+BuildRequires: fam-devel
+BuildRequires: bzip2-devel
+BuildRequires: libart_lgpl-devel
+BuildRequires: libsasl-devel
+BuildRequires: libtiff-devel
+BuildRequires: libvorbis-devel
+BuildRequires: udev-devel
+BuildRequires: pam-devel
+BuildRequires: libalsa-devel
+BuildRequires: libmad-devel
+BuildRequires: gdbm-devel
+BuildRequires: jasper-devel
+BuildRequires: OpenEXR-devel
+BuildRequires: libacl-devel
+BuildRequires: krb5-devel
+BuildRequires: ungif-devel
+BuildRequires: strigi-devel >= 0.6.3
+BuildRequires: shared-mime-info
+BuildRequires: soprano-devel >= 4:2.5.60
+BuildRequires: automoc
+BuildRequires: phonon-devel >= 4.2
+BuildRequires: xpm-devel
+BuildRequires: xft2-devel
+BuildRequires: libxml2-utils
+BuildRequires: liblzma-devel
+BuildRequires: libutempter-devel
+BuildRequires: rootcerts
+BuildRequires: flex
+BuildRequires: bison
+BuildRequires: qca2-devel
+BuildRequires: polkit-qt-1-devel >= 0.98.1
+BuildRequires: shared-desktop-ontologies-devel
+BuildRequires: attica-devel
+BuildRequires: libxscrnsaver-devel
+BuildRequires: libdbusmenu-qt-devel 
+BuildRequires: docbook-dtd42-xml
+BuildRequires: docbook-style-xsl
+BuildRequires: aspell-devel
+BuildRequires: hspell-devel
+
+%description 
+Libraries for the K Desktop Environment.
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkde3support
+Summary: KDE 4 Runtime Library for KDE3 support
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kde3support5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+
+%description -n %libkde3support
+KDE 4 Runtime Library for KDE3 support.
+
+%files -n %libkde3support
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkde3support.so.%{kde3support_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdecore
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Requires: phonon-backend >= 4.2.0
+%if !%{bootstrap}
+Requires: kde4-config-file 
+Requires: kde4-l10n
+Requires: qt4-style-iaora
+Requires: kde4-style-iaora
+%endif
+Requires: kdelibs4-core = %epoch:%{version}
+
+%description -n %libkdecore
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdecore
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdecore.so.%{kdecore_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdefakes
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdefakes
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdefakes
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdefakes.so.%{kdefakes_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdesu
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3 
+
+%description -n %libkdesu
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdesu
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdesu.so.%{kdesu_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libkdeui
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdeui
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdeui
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeui.so.%{kdeui_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdnssd
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdnssd5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdnssd
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdnssd
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdnssd.so.%{kdnssd_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkfile
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kfile5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkfile
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkfile
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkfile.so.%{kfile_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libkhtml
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkhtml
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkhtml
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkhtml.so.%{khtml_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkimproxy
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kimproxy5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkimproxy
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkimproxy
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkimproxy.so.%{kimproxy_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkio
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkio
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkio
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkio.so.%{kio_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkjsembed
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kjsembed5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+%if %mdkversion >= 201000
+Obsoletes: kde3-kjsembed < 1:3.5.10-4
+Obsoletes: kjsembed < 1:3.5.10-4
+%endif
+%description -n %libkjsembed
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjsembed
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsembed.so.%{kjsembed_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkjs
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kjs5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkjs
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjs
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjs.so.%{kjs_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libkmediaplayer
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kmediaplayer5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkmediaplayer
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkmediaplayer
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediaplayer.so.%{kmediaplayer_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libnepomuk
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knepomuk5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomuk5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kmetadata5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}konto5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomukmiddleware4 < 3.93.0-0.725600.1 
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomuk-middleware4 < 3.93.0-0.725600.1
+
+%description -n %libnepomuk
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomuk
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomuk.so.%{nepomuk_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libknewstuff2
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff25
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff24 
+
+%description -n %libknewstuff2
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libknewstuff2
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff2.so.%{knewstuff2_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libknotifyconfig
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knotifyconfig5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libknotifyconfig
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libknotifyconfig
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknotifyconfig.so.%{knotifyconfig_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libkntlm
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kntlm5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkntlm
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkntlm
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkntlm.so.%{kntlm_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkparts
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kparts5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkparts
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkparts
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkparts.so.%{kparts_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkrosscore
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}krosscore5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkrosscore
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkrosscore
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkrosscore.so.%{krosscore_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkrossui
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}krossui5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkrossui
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkrossui
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkrossui.so.%{krossui_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libktexteditor
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}ktexteditor5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libktexteditor
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libktexteditor
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libktexteditor.so.%{ktexteditor_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkunittest
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kunittest5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkunittest
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkunittest
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkunittest.so.%{kunittest_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkutils
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kutils5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkutils
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkutils.so.%{kutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libsolid
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}solid5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libsolid
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libsolid
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libsolid.so.%{solid_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libthreadweaver
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}threadweaver5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libthreadweaver
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libthreadweaver
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libthreadweaver.so.%{threadweaver_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+%package -n %libkpty
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkpty
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkpty
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkpty.so.%{kpty_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkjsapi
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+
+%description -n %libkjsapi
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjsapi
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsapi.so.%{kjsapi_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libplasma
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libplasma
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libplasma
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libplasma.so.%{libplasma_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkunitconversion
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkunitconversion
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkunitconversion
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkunitconversion.so.%{libkunitconversion_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libnepomukquery
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libnepomukquery
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomukquery
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukquery.so.%{libnepomukquery_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdewebkit
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkdewebkit
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkdewebkit
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdewebkit.so.%{libkdewebkit_major}*
+
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libknewstuff3
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff34 < 2:4.5.68-2
+
+%description -n %libknewstuff3
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libknewstuff3
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff3.so.%{libknewstuff3_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkatepartinterfaces.so.%{libkatepartinterfaces_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkcmutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkcmutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkcmutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkcmutils.so.%{libkcmutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkprintutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkprintutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkprintutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkprintutils.so.%{libkprintutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkidletime
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkidletime
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkidletime
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkidletime.so.%{libkidletime_major}*
+
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkemoticons
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkemoticons
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkemoticons
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkemoticons.so.%{libkemoticons_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libnepomukutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libnepomukutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomukutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukutils.so.%{libnepomukutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%package devel
+Group: Development/KDE and Qt
+Summary: Header files and documentation for compiling KDE applications
+Requires: kde4-macros
+Requires: automoc4
+Requires: acl-devel
+Requires: qt4-devel >= 4:4.7.0
+Requires: qt4-qtdbus
+Requires: kdelibs4-core = %epoch:%version
+Requires: soprano-devel >= 4:2.5.60
+Requires: strigi-devel
+# add requires on libxml2-utils, as when building most kde applications,
+# it will call xmllint to validate the docbook files:
+Requires: libxml2-utils
+Requires: avahi-compat-libdns_sd-devel 
+Requires: avahi-client-devel
+Requires: enchant-devel
+Requires: libxslt-proc
+Requires: libxslt-devel
+Requires: openssl-devel
+Requires: cups-devel >= 1.2
+Requires: pcre-devel
+Requires: fam-devel
+Requires: bzip2-devel
+Requires: libart_lgpl-devel
+Requires: libjpeg-devel
+Requires: libpng-devel
+Requires: libsasl-devel
+Requires: libtiff-devel
+Requires: libvorbis-devel
+Requires: pam-devel
+Requires: libalsa-devel
+Requires: libmad-devel
+Requires: gdbm-devel
+Requires: jasper-devel
+Requires: OpenEXR-devel
+Requires: libacl-devel
+Requires: krb5-devel
+Requires: ungif-devel
+Requires: strigi-devel >= 0.6.3
+Requires: shared-mime-info
+Requires: soprano-devel >= 2.0.98
+Requires: xpm-devel
+Requires: xft2-devel
+Requires: shared-desktop-ontologies-devel >= 0.5
+Provides: plasma-devel = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkde3support = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdecore = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdefakes = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdesu = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdeui = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdnssd = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkfile = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkhtml = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkimproxy = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkio = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjsembed = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjs = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkmediaplayer = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomuk = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknewstuff2 = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknotifyconfig = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkntlm = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkparts = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkrosscore = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkrossui = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libktexteditor = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkunittest = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libsolid = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libthreadweaver = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkpty = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjsapi = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libplasma = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkunitconversion = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdewebkit = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomukquery = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknewstuff3 = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkatepartinterfaces = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkcmutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkemoticons = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkidletime = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkprintutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomukutils = %epoch:%version
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdecore5-devel < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-experimental-devel < 2:4.3.73-1 
+Provides: kdelibs4-experimental-devel = %epoch:%version
+Conflicts: kdelibs4-core < 4.2.95-3
+Conflicts: koffice-devel < 11:1.9.95.9-2mdv
+Conflicts: kdebase4-workspace-devel < 2:4.3.75-1
+Conflicts: kdebase4-runtime <= 1:4.2.4
+Conflicts: webkitkde-devel < 0.0-0.1050148.3
+Conflicts: kdeplatform4-devel < 4:0.9.97-3
+
+%description devel
+This package includes the header files you will need to compile applications 
+for KDE. Also included is the KDE API documentation in HTML format for easy 
+browsing.
+
+%files devel
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_mandir/man1/kdecmake.1*
+%_kde_includedir/*
+%_kde_appsdir/cmake/modules/*
+%_kde_datadir/dbus-1/*/*
+%_kde_libdir/libkdefakes.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdesu.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdnssd.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkhtml.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkimproxy.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjs.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsembed.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediaplayer.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff2.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknotifyconfig.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkntlm.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkparts.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkrossui.so
+%_kde_libdir/libktexteditor.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkunittest.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomuk.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkde3support.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkpty.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkfile.so
+%_kde_libdir/libsolid.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkrosscore.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdecore.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeui.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkio.so
+%_kde_libdir/libthreadweaver.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsapi.so
+%_kde_libdir/libplasma.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkunitconversion.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukquery.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdewebkit.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff3.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkprintutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkidletime.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkemoticons.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkcmutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkatepartinterfaces.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/designer
+%_kde_bindir/checkXML
+%_kde_mandir/man1/checkXML.1*
+%_kde_bindir/kconfig_compiler
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+%package core
+Group: Graphical desktop/KDE
+Summary: KDE 4 system core files
+Suggests: enchant-dictionary
+Suggests: xdg-utils
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-common < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Conflicts: kdelibs4-devel < 2:4.2.85-4
+%if %mdkversion >= 200910
+Obsoletes: kdelibs-common < %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.5.10-6
+%endif
+%if %mdkversion >= 201000
+Obsoletes: kdelibs3-common < %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.5.10-12
+%endif
+Requires: shared-mime-info
+Requires: docbook-dtd42-xml
+Requires: docbook-style-xsl
+Conflicts: kdebase4-workspace < 2:4.1.73-1
+Requires: rootcerts
+Requires: shared-desktop-ontologies
+Obsoletes: lilypond-kde4 < 0.2-3
+Requires:  abrt
+
+%description core
+KDE 4 system core files.
+
+%files core
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_kde_bindir/kbuildsycoca4
+%_kde_bindir/kcookiejar4
+%_kde_bindir/kde4-config
+%_kde_bindir/kded4
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4_shutdown
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4_wrapper
+%_kde_bindir/kjs
+%_kde_bindir/kjscmd
+%_kde_bindir/kross
+%_kde_bindir/kshell4
+%_kde_bindir/kunittestmodrunner
+%_kde_bindir/kwrapper4
+%_kde_bindir/makekdewidgets
+%_kde_bindir/meinproc4
+%_kde_bindir/meinproc4_simple
+%_kde_bindir/nepomuk-rcgen
+%_kde_bindir/preparetips
+%dir %_kde_libdir/kde4
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/*.so
+%dir %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/*
+%attr(4755,root,root) %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/fileshareset
+%dir  %_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/imageformats
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/kauth
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/script
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeinit4_*
+%_kde_datadir/config
+%_kde_datadir/mime/*
+%_kde_datadir/kde4
+%_kde_applicationsdir/kmailservice.desktop
+%_kde_applicationsdir/ktelnetservice.desktop
+%_kde_appsdir/proxyscout
+%_kde_appsdir/LICENSES
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_kdatatool
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_insertfile
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_exporter
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_iconinserter
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_insanehtml_le
+%_kde_appsdir/kssl
+%_kde_appsdir/ksgmltools2
+%_kde_appsdir/knewstuff
+%_kde_appsdir/kjava
+%_kde_appsdir/khtml 
+%_kde_appsdir/kdewidgets
+%_kde_appsdir/kdeui
+%_kde_appsdir/kconf_update
+%_kde_appsdir/kcm_componentchooser
+%_kde_appsdir/katepart
+%_kde_appsdir/kcharselect
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/sonnet
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/common/*
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/data
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/file
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/ftp
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/help
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/http
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/mailto
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/rlogin
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/telnet
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/webdav
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kde4-config.1*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/makekdewidgets.1*
+%_kde_mandir/man7/kdeoptions.7*
+%_kde_mandir/man7/qtoptions.7*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kbuildsycoca4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kcookiejar4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kdeinit4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/meinproc4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kjs.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kjscmd.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kross.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kded4.8.*
+%_kde_datadir/icons
+%_kde_datadir/locale/all_languages
+%_sysconfdir/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.auth.conf
+%_kde_sysconfdir/xdg/kde4/menus/applications.menu
+%_kde_appsdir/kauth
+%_kde_appsdir/plasma
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%package -n kde-l10n-en_US
+Summary: Language files for KDE4 English
+Group: System/Internationalization
+Provides: kde4-l10n
+Requires: locales-en_US
+Conflicts: kdebase4-runtime < 1:4.5.76
+
+%description -n kde-l10n-en_US
+Provides American English translations for KDE 4
+
+%files -n kde-l10n-en_US
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_datadir/locale/en_US/entry.desktop
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+%package apidoc
+Group: Development/KDE and Qt
+Summary: Development documentation for %name
+Requires: qt4-doc
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-apidoc < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+
+%description apidoc
+This packages contains all development documentation for kdelibs
+
+%files apidoc
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_docdir/kde4/api/*
+%endif
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%prep
+%if %branch
+%setup -q -n kdelibs-%version%kde_snapshot
+%else
+%setup -q -n kdelibs-%version
+%endif
+
+%if %experimental
+tar xjvf %SOURCE1
+%if %branch
+  mv kdelibs-experimental-%version%kde_snapshot experimental
+%else
+  mv kdelibs-experimental-%version experimental
+%endif
+%endif
+#REDIFF
+#%patch0 -p0 
+#%patch1 -p0
+%patch2 -p0
+#%patch3 -p0
+%patch4 -p0
+%patch5 -p0
+%patch6 -p0
+%patch7 -p0
+%patch8 -p0
+%patch9 -p0
+%patch11 -p0
+
+# add release version as part of branding ( From Fedora )
+sed -i -e "s|@@VERSION_RELEASE@@|%{version}-%{release}|" kio/kio/kprotocolmanager.cpp
+#%patch10 -p1
+
+%build
+%cmake_kde4
+%make
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+  cd ..
+  doc/api/doxygen.sh --doxdatadir=${PWD}/doc/common .
+%endif
+
+%install
+rm -fr %buildroot
+%makeinstall_std -C build
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+  mkdir -p %buildroot/%_docdir/kde4/api
+  cp -av kdelibs-%version-apidocs %buildroot/%_docdir/kde4/api/kdelibs
+%endif 
+
+%__rm -fr %buildroot%_kde_appsdir/kssl/ca-bundle.crt
+ln -snf %_sysconfdir/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt %buildroot%_kde_appsdir/kssl/ca-bundle.crt
+
+%clean
+rm -fr %buildroot
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110115/2ec1b3a6/attachment-0002.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110115/2ec1b3a6/attachment-0002.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..87146a3b6
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110115/2ec1b3a6/attachment-0002.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,1157 @@
+%define branch 0
+%{?_branch: %{expand: %%global branch 1}}
+
+%define experimental 0
+%{?_experimental: %{expand: %%global experimental 1}}
+
+%define compile_apidox 0
+%{?_with_apidox: %{expand: %%global compile_apidox 1}}
+
+%define bootstrap 0
+%{?_without_bootstrap: %global bootstrap 0}
+%{?_with_bootstrap: %global bootstrap 1}
+
+%define epoch_kdelibs3 30000000
+
+%if %branch
+%define kde_snapshot svn1198704
+%endif
+
+Name: kdelibs4
+Summary: K Desktop Environment - Libraries
+Version: 4.5.95
+%if %branch
+Release: %mkrel -c %kde_snapshot 1
+%else
+Release: %mkrel 1
+%endif
+Epoch: 2
+Group: Graphical desktop/KDE
+License: ARTISTIC BSD GPL_V2 LGPL_V2 QPL_V1.0
+BuildRoot: %_tmppath/%name-%version-%release-root
+URL: http://www.kde.org
+%if %branch
+Source: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-%version%kde_snapshot.tar.bz2
+%if %experimental
+Source1: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-experimental-%version%kde_snapshot.tar.bz2
+%endif
+%else
+Source: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-%version.tar.bz2
+%if %experimental
+Source1: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-experimental-%version.tar.bz2
+%endif
+%endif
+#Mageia Patches
+Patch0: kdelibs-4.5.85-add-extra-catalogs.patch
+Patch1: kdelibs-4.1.81-overrides-oxygen-iaora.patch
+Patch2: kdelibs-4.1.85-add-kde-menu.patch
+Patch3: kdelibs-4.2.95-fix-kross-lib.patch
+Patch4: kdelibs-4.5.85-add-default-places.patch
+Patch5: kdelibs-fix-containment.patch
+Patch6: kdelibs-4.4.0-use-timeline.patch
+Patch7: kdelibs-4.5.95-no-HAL.patch
+Patch8: kdelibs-4.3.90-install_all_css.patch
+Patch9: kdelibs-4.5.85-branding.patch
+patch10: kdelibs-4.5.85-policykit-workaround.patch
+Patch11: kdelibs-4.5.95-kate-wordwrap-ON.patch
+#Official backports ( P100 -> P199 )
+#Trunk patches ( P200 -> P299 )
+#Testing ( P300 -> inf )
+Patch301: kdelibs-testing-mdv47378.patch
+BuildRequires: kde4-macros >= 4.1.71
+BuildRequires: qt4-devel >= 4:4.7.0
+BuildRequires: qt4-qtdbus
+BuildRequires: avahi-compat-libdns_sd-devel 
+BuildRequires: avahi-client-devel
+BuildRequires: enchant-devel
+BuildRequires: libxslt-proc
+BuildRequires: libxslt-devel
+BuildRequires: libxml2 >= 2.4.11
+BuildRequires: openssl-devel
+BuildRequires: cups-devel >= 1.2
+BuildRequires: pcre-devel
+BuildRequires: fam-devel
+BuildRequires: bzip2-devel
+BuildRequires: libart_lgpl-devel
+BuildRequires: libsasl-devel
+BuildRequires: libtiff-devel
+BuildRequires: libvorbis-devel
+BuildRequires: udev-devel
+BuildRequires: pam-devel
+BuildRequires: libalsa-devel
+BuildRequires: libmad-devel
+BuildRequires: gdbm-devel
+BuildRequires: jasper-devel
+BuildRequires: OpenEXR-devel
+BuildRequires: libacl-devel
+BuildRequires: krb5-devel
+BuildRequires: ungif-devel
+BuildRequires: strigi-devel >= 0.6.3
+BuildRequires: shared-mime-info
+BuildRequires: soprano-devel >= 4:2.5.60
+BuildRequires: automoc
+BuildRequires: phonon-devel >= 4.2
+BuildRequires: xpm-devel
+BuildRequires: xft2-devel
+BuildRequires: libxml2-utils
+BuildRequires: liblzma-devel
+BuildRequires: libutempter-devel
+BuildRequires: rootcerts
+BuildRequires: flex
+BuildRequires: bison
+BuildRequires: qca2-devel
+BuildRequires: polkit-qt-1-devel >= 0.98.1
+BuildRequires: shared-desktop-ontologies-devel
+BuildRequires: attica-devel
+BuildRequires: libxscrnsaver-devel
+BuildRequires: libdbusmenu-qt-devel 
+BuildRequires: docbook-dtd42-xml
+BuildRequires: docbook-style-xsl
+BuildRequires: aspell-devel
+BuildRequires: hspell-devel
+
+%description 
+Libraries for the K Desktop Environment.
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kde3support_major 4
+%define libkde3support %mklibname kde3support %kde3support_major
+
+%package -n %libkde3support
+Summary: KDE 4 Runtime Library for KDE3 support
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kde3support5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+
+%description -n %libkde3support
+KDE 4 Runtime Library for KDE3 support.
+
+%files -n %libkde3support
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkde3support.so.%{kde3support_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdecore_major 5
+%define libkdecore %mklibname kdecore %kdecore_major
+
+%package -n %libkdecore
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Requires: phonon-backend >= 4.2.0
+%if !%{bootstrap}
+Requires: kde4-config-file 
+Requires: kde4-l10n
+Requires: qt4-style-iaora
+Requires: kde4-style-iaora
+%endif
+Requires: kdelibs4-core = %epoch:%{version}
+
+%description -n %libkdecore
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdecore
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdecore.so.%{kdecore_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdefakes_major 5
+%define libkdefakes %mklibname kdefakes %kdefakes_major
+
+%package -n %libkdefakes
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdefakes
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdefakes
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdefakes.so.%{kdefakes_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdesu_major 5
+%define libkdesu %mklibname kdesu %kdesu_major
+
+%package -n %libkdesu
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3 
+
+%description -n %libkdesu
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdesu
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdesu.so.%{kdesu_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdeui_major 5
+%define libkdeui %mklibname kdeui %kdeui_major
+
+%package -n %libkdeui
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdeui
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdeui
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeui.so.%{kdeui_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdnssd_major 4
+%define libkdnssd %mklibname kdnssd %kdnssd_major
+
+%package -n %libkdnssd
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdnssd5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdnssd
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdnssd
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdnssd.so.%{kdnssd_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kfile_major 4
+%define libkfile %mklibname kfile %kfile_major
+
+%package -n %libkfile
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kfile5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkfile
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkfile
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkfile.so.%{kfile_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define khtml_major 5
+%define libkhtml %mklibname khtml %khtml_major
+
+%package -n %libkhtml
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkhtml
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkhtml
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkhtml.so.%{khtml_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kimproxy_major 4
+%define libkimproxy %mklibname kimproxy %kimproxy_major
+
+%package -n %libkimproxy
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kimproxy5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkimproxy
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkimproxy
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkimproxy.so.%{kimproxy_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kio_major 5
+%define libkio %mklibname kio %kio_major
+
+%package -n %libkio
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkio
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkio
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkio.so.%{kio_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kjsembed_major 4
+%define libkjsembed %mklibname kjsembed %kjsembed_major
+
+%package -n %libkjsembed
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kjsembed5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+%if %mdkversion >= 201000
+Obsoletes: kde3-kjsembed < 1:3.5.10-4
+Obsoletes: kjsembed < 1:3.5.10-4
+%endif
+%description -n %libkjsembed
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjsembed
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsembed.so.%{kjsembed_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kjs_major 4
+%define libkjs %mklibname kjs %kjs_major
+
+%package -n %libkjs
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kjs5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkjs
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjs
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjs.so.%{kjs_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kmediaplayer_major 4
+%define libkmediaplayer %mklibname kmediaplayer %kmediaplayer_major
+
+%package -n %libkmediaplayer
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kmediaplayer5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkmediaplayer
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkmediaplayer
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediaplayer.so.%{kmediaplayer_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define nepomuk_major 4
+%define libnepomuk %mklibname nepomuk %nepomuk_major
+
+%package -n %libnepomuk
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knepomuk5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomuk5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kmetadata5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}konto5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomukmiddleware4 < 3.93.0-0.725600.1 
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomuk-middleware4 < 3.93.0-0.725600.1
+
+%description -n %libnepomuk
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomuk
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomuk.so.%{nepomuk_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define knewstuff2_major 4
+%define libknewstuff2 %mklibname knewstuff2_ %knewstuff2_major
+
+%package -n %libknewstuff2
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff25
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff24 
+
+%description -n %libknewstuff2
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libknewstuff2
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff2.so.%{knewstuff2_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define knotifyconfig_major 4
+%define libknotifyconfig %mklibname knotifyconfig %knotifyconfig_major
+
+%package -n %libknotifyconfig
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knotifyconfig5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libknotifyconfig
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libknotifyconfig
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknotifyconfig.so.%{knotifyconfig_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kntlm_major 4
+%define libkntlm %mklibname kntlm %kntlm_major
+
+%package -n %libkntlm
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kntlm5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkntlm
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkntlm
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkntlm.so.%{kntlm_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kparts_major 4
+%define libkparts %mklibname kparts %kparts_major
+
+%package -n %libkparts
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kparts5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkparts
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkparts
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkparts.so.%{kparts_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define krosscore_major 4
+%define libkrosscore %mklibname krosscore %krosscore_major
+
+%package -n %libkrosscore
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}krosscore5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkrosscore
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkrosscore
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkrosscore.so.%{krosscore_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define krossui_major 4
+%define libkrossui %mklibname krossui %krossui_major
+
+%package -n %libkrossui
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}krossui5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkrossui
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkrossui
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkrossui.so.%{krossui_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define ktexteditor_major 4
+%define libktexteditor %mklibname ktexteditor %ktexteditor_major
+
+%package -n %libktexteditor
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}ktexteditor5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libktexteditor
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libktexteditor
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libktexteditor.so.%{ktexteditor_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kunittest_major 4
+%define libkunittest %mklibname kunittest %kunittest_major
+
+%package -n %libkunittest
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kunittest5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkunittest
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkunittest
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkunittest.so.%{kunittest_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kutils_major 4
+%define libkutils %mklibname kutils %kutils_major
+
+%package -n %libkutils
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kutils5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkutils
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkutils.so.%{kutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define solid_major 4
+%define libsolid %mklibname solid %solid_major
+
+%package -n %libsolid
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}solid5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libsolid
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libsolid
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libsolid.so.%{solid_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define threadweaver_major 4
+%define libthreadweaver %mklibname threadweaver %threadweaver_major
+
+%package -n %libthreadweaver
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}threadweaver5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libthreadweaver
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libthreadweaver
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libthreadweaver.so.%{threadweaver_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kpty_major 4
+%define libkpty %mklibname kpty %kpty_major
+
+%package -n %libkpty
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkpty
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkpty
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkpty.so.%{kpty_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kjsapi_major 4
+%define libkjsapi %mklibname kjsapi %kjsapi_major
+
+%package -n %libkjsapi
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+
+%description -n %libkjsapi
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjsapi
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsapi.so.%{kjsapi_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libplasma_major 3
+%define libplasma %mklibname plasma %{libplasma_major}
+
+%package -n %libplasma
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libplasma
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libplasma
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libplasma.so.%{libplasma_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkunitconversion_major 4
+%define libkunitconversion %mklibname kunitconversion %{libkunitconversion_major}
+
+%package -n %libkunitconversion
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkunitconversion
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkunitconversion
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkunitconversion.so.%{libkunitconversion_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libnepomukquery_major 4
+%define libnepomukquery %mklibname nepomukquery %{libnepomukquery_major}
+
+%package -n %libnepomukquery
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libnepomukquery
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomukquery
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukquery.so.%{libnepomukquery_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkdewebkit_major 5
+%define libkdewebkit %mklibname kdewebkit %{libkdewebkit_major}
+
+%package -n %libkdewebkit
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkdewebkit
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkdewebkit
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdewebkit.so.%{libkdewebkit_major}*
+
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libknewstuff3_major 4
+%define libknewstuff3 %mklibname knewstuff3_ %{libknewstuff3_major}
+
+%package -n %libknewstuff3
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff34 < 2:4.5.68-2
+
+%description -n %libknewstuff3
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libknewstuff3
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff3.so.%{libknewstuff3_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkatepartinterfaces_major 4
+%define libkatepartinterfaces %mklibname katepartinterfaces %{libkatepartinterfaces_major}
+
+%package -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkatepartinterfaces.so.%{libkatepartinterfaces_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkcmutils_major 4
+%define libkcmutils %mklibname kcmutils %{libkcmutils_major}
+
+%package -n %libkcmutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkcmutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkcmutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkcmutils.so.%{libkcmutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkprintutils_major 4
+%define libkprintutils %mklibname kprintutils %{libkprintutils_major}
+
+%package -n %libkprintutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkprintutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkprintutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkprintutils.so.%{libkprintutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkidletime_major 4
+%define libkidletime %mklibname kidletime %{libkidletime_major}
+
+%package -n %libkidletime
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkidletime
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkidletime
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkidletime.so.%{libkidletime_major}*
+
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkemoticons_major 4
+%define libkemoticons %mklibname kemoticons %{libkemoticons_major}
+
+%package -n %libkemoticons
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkemoticons
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkemoticons
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkemoticons.so.%{libkemoticons_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libnepomukutils_major 4
+%define libnepomukutils %mklibname nepomukutils %{libnepomukutils_major}
+
+%package -n %libnepomukutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libnepomukutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomukutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukutils.so.%{libnepomukutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%package devel
+Group: Development/KDE and Qt
+Summary: Header files and documentation for compiling KDE applications
+Requires: kde4-macros
+Requires: automoc4
+Requires: acl-devel
+Requires: qt4-devel >= 4:4.7.0
+Requires: qt4-qtdbus
+Requires: kdelibs4-core = %epoch:%version
+Requires: soprano-devel >= 4:2.5.60
+Requires: strigi-devel
+# add requires on libxml2-utils, as when building most kde applications,
+# it will call xmllint to validate the docbook files:
+Requires: libxml2-utils
+Requires: avahi-compat-libdns_sd-devel 
+Requires: avahi-client-devel
+Requires: enchant-devel
+Requires: libxslt-proc
+Requires: libxslt-devel
+Requires: openssl-devel
+Requires: cups-devel >= 1.2
+Requires: pcre-devel
+Requires: fam-devel
+Requires: bzip2-devel
+Requires: libart_lgpl-devel
+Requires: libjpeg-devel
+Requires: libpng-devel
+Requires: libsasl-devel
+Requires: libtiff-devel
+Requires: libvorbis-devel
+Requires: pam-devel
+Requires: libalsa-devel
+Requires: libmad-devel
+Requires: gdbm-devel
+Requires: jasper-devel
+Requires: OpenEXR-devel
+Requires: libacl-devel
+Requires: krb5-devel
+Requires: ungif-devel
+Requires: strigi-devel >= 0.6.3
+Requires: shared-mime-info
+Requires: soprano-devel >= 2.0.98
+Requires: xpm-devel
+Requires: xft2-devel
+Requires: shared-desktop-ontologies-devel >= 0.5
+Provides: plasma-devel = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkde3support = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdecore = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdefakes = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdesu = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdeui = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdnssd = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkfile = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkhtml = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkimproxy = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkio = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjsembed = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjs = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkmediaplayer = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomuk = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknewstuff2 = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknotifyconfig = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkntlm = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkparts = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkrosscore = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkrossui = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libktexteditor = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkunittest = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libsolid = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libthreadweaver = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkpty = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjsapi = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libplasma = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkunitconversion = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdewebkit = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomukquery = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknewstuff3 = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkatepartinterfaces = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkcmutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkemoticons = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkidletime = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkprintutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomukutils = %epoch:%version
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdecore5-devel < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-experimental-devel < 2:4.3.73-1 
+Provides: kdelibs4-experimental-devel = %epoch:%version
+Conflicts: kdelibs4-core < 4.2.95-3
+Conflicts: koffice-devel < 11:1.9.95.9-2mdv
+Conflicts: kdebase4-workspace-devel < 2:4.3.75-1
+Conflicts: kdebase4-runtime <= 1:4.2.4
+Conflicts: webkitkde-devel < 0.0-0.1050148.3
+Conflicts: kdeplatform4-devel < 4:0.9.97-3
+
+%description devel
+This package includes the header files you will need to compile applications 
+for KDE. Also included is the KDE API documentation in HTML format for easy 
+browsing.
+
+%files devel
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_mandir/man1/kdecmake.1*
+%_kde_includedir/*
+%_kde_appsdir/cmake/modules/*
+%_kde_datadir/dbus-1/*/*
+%_kde_libdir/libkdefakes.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdesu.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdnssd.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkhtml.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkimproxy.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjs.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsembed.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediaplayer.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff2.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknotifyconfig.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkntlm.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkparts.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkrossui.so
+%_kde_libdir/libktexteditor.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkunittest.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomuk.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkde3support.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkpty.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkfile.so
+%_kde_libdir/libsolid.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkrosscore.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdecore.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeui.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkio.so
+%_kde_libdir/libthreadweaver.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsapi.so
+%_kde_libdir/libplasma.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkunitconversion.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukquery.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdewebkit.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff3.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkprintutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkidletime.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkemoticons.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkcmutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkatepartinterfaces.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/designer
+%_kde_bindir/checkXML
+%_kde_mandir/man1/checkXML.1*
+%_kde_bindir/kconfig_compiler
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+%package core
+Group: Graphical desktop/KDE
+Summary: KDE 4 system core files
+Suggests: enchant-dictionary
+Suggests: xdg-utils
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-common < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Conflicts: kdelibs4-devel < 2:4.2.85-4
+%if %mdkversion >= 200910
+Obsoletes: kdelibs-common < %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.5.10-6
+%endif
+%if %mdkversion >= 201000
+Obsoletes: kdelibs3-common < %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.5.10-12
+%endif
+Requires: shared-mime-info
+Requires: docbook-dtd42-xml
+Requires: docbook-style-xsl
+Conflicts: kdebase4-workspace < 2:4.1.73-1
+Requires: rootcerts
+Requires: shared-desktop-ontologies
+Obsoletes: lilypond-kde4 < 0.2-3
+Requires:  abrt
+
+%description core
+KDE 4 system core files.
+
+%files core
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_kde_bindir/kbuildsycoca4
+%_kde_bindir/kcookiejar4
+%_kde_bindir/kde4-config
+%_kde_bindir/kded4
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4_shutdown
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4_wrapper
+%_kde_bindir/kjs
+%_kde_bindir/kjscmd
+%_kde_bindir/kross
+%_kde_bindir/kshell4
+%_kde_bindir/kunittestmodrunner
+%_kde_bindir/kwrapper4
+%_kde_bindir/makekdewidgets
+%_kde_bindir/meinproc4
+%_kde_bindir/meinproc4_simple
+%_kde_bindir/nepomuk-rcgen
+%_kde_bindir/preparetips
+%dir %_kde_libdir/kde4
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/*.so
+%dir %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/*
+%attr(4755,root,root) %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/fileshareset
+%dir  %_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/imageformats
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/kauth
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/script
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeinit4_*
+%_kde_datadir/config
+%_kde_datadir/mime/*
+%_kde_datadir/kde4
+%_kde_applicationsdir/kmailservice.desktop
+%_kde_applicationsdir/ktelnetservice.desktop
+%_kde_appsdir/proxyscout
+%_kde_appsdir/LICENSES
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_kdatatool
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_insertfile
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_exporter
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_iconinserter
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_insanehtml_le
+%_kde_appsdir/kssl
+%_kde_appsdir/ksgmltools2
+%_kde_appsdir/knewstuff
+%_kde_appsdir/kjava
+%_kde_appsdir/khtml 
+%_kde_appsdir/kdewidgets
+%_kde_appsdir/kdeui
+%_kde_appsdir/kconf_update
+%_kde_appsdir/kcm_componentchooser
+%_kde_appsdir/katepart
+%_kde_appsdir/kcharselect
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/sonnet
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/common/*
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/data
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/file
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/ftp
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/help
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/http
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/mailto
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/rlogin
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/telnet
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/webdav
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kde4-config.1*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/makekdewidgets.1*
+%_kde_mandir/man7/kdeoptions.7*
+%_kde_mandir/man7/qtoptions.7*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kbuildsycoca4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kcookiejar4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kdeinit4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/meinproc4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kjs.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kjscmd.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kross.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kded4.8.*
+%_kde_datadir/icons
+%_kde_datadir/locale/all_languages
+%_sysconfdir/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.auth.conf
+%_kde_sysconfdir/xdg/kde4/menus/applications.menu
+%_kde_appsdir/kauth
+%_kde_appsdir/plasma
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%package -n kde-l10n-en_US
+Summary: Language files for KDE4 English
+Group: System/Internationalization
+Provides: kde4-l10n
+Requires: locales-en_US
+Conflicts: kdebase4-runtime < 1:4.5.76
+
+%description -n kde-l10n-en_US
+Provides American English translations for KDE 4
+
+%files -n kde-l10n-en_US
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_datadir/locale/en_US/entry.desktop
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+%package apidoc
+Group: Development/KDE and Qt
+Summary: Development documentation for %name
+Requires: qt4-doc
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-apidoc < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+
+%description apidoc
+This packages contains all development documentation for kdelibs
+
+%files apidoc
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_docdir/kde4/api/*
+%endif
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%prep
+%if %branch
+%setup -q -n kdelibs-%version%kde_snapshot
+%else
+%setup -q -n kdelibs-%version
+%endif
+
+%if %experimental
+tar xjvf %SOURCE1
+%if %branch
+  mv kdelibs-experimental-%version%kde_snapshot experimental
+%else
+  mv kdelibs-experimental-%version experimental
+%endif
+%endif
+#REDIFF
+#%patch0 -p0 
+#%patch1 -p0
+%patch2 -p0
+#%patch3 -p0
+%patch4 -p0
+%patch5 -p0
+%patch6 -p0
+%patch7 -p0
+%patch8 -p0
+%patch9 -p0
+%patch11 -p0
+
+# add release version as part of branding ( From Fedora )
+sed -i -e "s|@@VERSION_RELEASE@@|%{version}-%{release}|" kio/kio/kprotocolmanager.cpp
+#%patch10 -p1
+
+%build
+%cmake_kde4
+%make
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+  cd ..
+  doc/api/doxygen.sh --doxdatadir=${PWD}/doc/common .
+%endif
+
+%install
+rm -fr %buildroot
+%makeinstall_std -C build
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+  mkdir -p %buildroot/%_docdir/kde4/api
+  cp -av kdelibs-%version-apidocs %buildroot/%_docdir/kde4/api/kdelibs
+%endif 
+
+%__rm -fr %buildroot%_kde_appsdir/kssl/ca-bundle.crt
+ln -snf %_sysconfdir/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt %buildroot%_kde_appsdir/kssl/ca-bundle.crt
+
+%clean
+rm -fr %buildroot
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110115/2ec1b3a6/attachment-0003.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110115/2ec1b3a6/attachment-0003.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..a3086492c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110115/2ec1b3a6/attachment-0003.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,1193 @@
+%define branch 0
+%{?_branch: %{expand: %%global branch 1}}
+
+%define experimental 0
+%{?_experimental: %{expand: %%global experimental 1}}
+
+%define compile_apidox 0
+%{?_with_apidox: %{expand: %%global compile_apidox 1}}
+
+%define bootstrap 0
+%{?_without_bootstrap: %global bootstrap 0}
+%{?_with_bootstrap: %global bootstrap 1}
+
+%define epoch_kdelibs3 30000000
+%define kdefakes_major 5
+%define libkdefakes %mklibname kdefakes %kdefakes_major
+%define kde3support_major 4
+%define libkde3support %mklibname kde3support %kde3support_major
+%define kdesu_major 5
+%define libkdesu %mklibname kdesu %kdesu_major
+%define kdecore_major 5
+%define libkdecore %mklibname kdecore %kdecore_major
+%define khtml_major 5
+%define libkhtml %mklibname khtml %khtml_major
+%define kdeui_major 5
+%define libkdeui %mklibname kdeui %kdeui_major
+%define kdnssd_major 4
+%define libkdnssd %mklibname kdnssd %kdnssd_major
+%define kfile_major 4
+%define libkfile %mklibname kfile %kfile_major
+%define kimproxy_major 4
+%define libkimproxy %mklibname kimproxy %kimproxy_major
+%define kio_major 5
+%define libkio %mklibname kio %kio_major
+%define kjsembed_major 4
+%define libkjsembed %mklibname kjsembed %kjsembed_major
+%define kjs_major 4
+%define libkjs %mklibname kjs %kjs_major
+%define knotifyconfig_major 4
+%define libknotifyconfig %mklibname knotifyconfig %knotifyconfig_major
+%define kmediaplayer_major 4
+%define libkmediaplayer %mklibname kmediaplayer %kmediaplayer_major
+%define nepomuk_major 4
+%define libnepomuk %mklibname nepomuk %nepomuk_major
+%define kparts_major 4
+%define libkparts %mklibname kparts %kparts_major
+%define knewstuff2_major 4
+%define libknewstuff2 %mklibname knewstuff2_ %knewstuff2_major
+
+%define kntlm_major 4
+%define libkntlm %mklibname kntlm %kntlm_major
+%define krosscore_major 4
+%define libkrosscore %mklibname krosscore %krosscore_major
+%define krossui_major 4
+%define libkrossui %mklibname krossui %krossui_major
+%define ktexteditor_major 4
+%define libktexteditor %mklibname ktexteditor %ktexteditor_major
+%define kunittest_major 4
+%define libkunittest %mklibname kunittest %kunittest_major
+%define kutils_major 4
+%define libkutils %mklibname kutils %kutils_major
+%define threadweaver_major 4
+%define libthreadweaver %mklibname threadweaver %threadweaver_major
+
+%define solid_major 4
+%define libsolid %mklibname solid %solid_major
+
+%define kpty_major 4
+%define libkpty %mklibname kpty %kpty_major
+%define kjsapi_major 4
+%define libkjsapi %mklibname kjsapi %kjsapi_major
+
+%define libplasma_major 3
+%define libplasma %mklibname plasma %{libplasma_major}
+%define libkunitconversion_major 4
+%define libkunitconversion %mklibname kunitconversion %{libkunitconversion_major}
+%define libnepomukquery_major 4
+%define libnepomukquery %mklibname nepomukquery %{libnepomukquery_major}
+%define libkdewebkit_major 5
+%define libkdewebkit %mklibname kdewebkit %{libkdewebkit_major}
+%define libknewstuff3_major 4
+%define libknewstuff3 %mklibname knewstuff3_ %{libknewstuff3_major}
+%define libkatepartinterfaces_major 4
+%define libkatepartinterfaces %mklibname katepartinterfaces %{libkatepartinterfaces_major}
+%define libkcmutils_major 4
+%define libkcmutils %mklibname kcmutils %{libkcmutils_major}
+%define libkprintutils_major 4
+%define libkprintutils %mklibname kprintutils %{libkprintutils_major}
+%define libkidletime_major 4
+%define libkidletime %mklibname kidletime %{libkidletime_major}
+%define libkemoticons_major 4
+%define libkemoticons %mklibname kemoticons %{libkemoticons_major}
+%define libnepomukutils_major 4
+%define libnepomukutils %mklibname nepomukutils %{libnepomukutils_major}
+
+%if %branch
+%define kde_snapshot svn1198704
+%endif
+
+Name: kdelibs4
+Summary: K Desktop Environment - Libraries
+Version: 4.5.95
+%if %branch
+Release: %mkrel -c %kde_snapshot 1
+%else
+Release: %mkrel 1
+%endif
+Epoch: 2
+Group: Graphical desktop/KDE
+License: ARTISTIC BSD GPL_V2 LGPL_V2 QPL_V1.0
+BuildRoot: %_tmppath/%name-%version-%release-root
+URL: http://www.kde.org
+%if %branch
+Source: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-%version%kde_snapshot.tar.bz2
+%if %experimental
+Source1: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-experimental-%version%kde_snapshot.tar.bz2
+%endif
+%else
+Source: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-%version.tar.bz2
+%if %experimental
+Source1: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-experimental-%version.tar.bz2
+%endif
+%endif
+#Mageia Patches
+Patch0: kdelibs-4.5.85-add-extra-catalogs.patch
+Patch1: kdelibs-4.1.81-overrides-oxygen-iaora.patch
+Patch2: kdelibs-4.1.85-add-kde-menu.patch
+Patch3: kdelibs-4.2.95-fix-kross-lib.patch
+Patch4: kdelibs-4.5.85-add-default-places.patch
+Patch5: kdelibs-fix-containment.patch
+Patch6: kdelibs-4.4.0-use-timeline.patch
+Patch7: kdelibs-4.5.95-no-HAL.patch
+Patch8: kdelibs-4.3.90-install_all_css.patch
+Patch9: kdelibs-4.5.85-branding.patch
+patch10: kdelibs-4.5.85-policykit-workaround.patch
+Patch11: kdelibs-4.5.95-kate-wordwrap-ON.patch
+#Official backports ( P100 -> P199 )
+#Trunk patches ( P200 -> P299 )
+#Testing ( P300 -> inf )
+Patch301: kdelibs-testing-mdv47378.patch
+BuildRequires: kde4-macros >= 4.1.71
+BuildRequires: qt4-devel >= 4:4.7.0
+BuildRequires: qt4-qtdbus
+BuildRequires: avahi-compat-libdns_sd-devel 
+BuildRequires: avahi-client-devel
+BuildRequires: enchant-devel
+BuildRequires: libxslt-proc
+BuildRequires: libxslt-devel
+BuildRequires: libxml2 >= 2.4.11
+BuildRequires: openssl-devel
+BuildRequires: cups-devel >= 1.2
+BuildRequires: pcre-devel
+BuildRequires: fam-devel
+BuildRequires: bzip2-devel
+BuildRequires: libart_lgpl-devel
+BuildRequires: libsasl-devel
+BuildRequires: libtiff-devel
+BuildRequires: libvorbis-devel
+BuildRequires: udev-devel
+BuildRequires: pam-devel
+BuildRequires: libalsa-devel
+BuildRequires: libmad-devel
+BuildRequires: gdbm-devel
+BuildRequires: jasper-devel
+BuildRequires: OpenEXR-devel
+BuildRequires: libacl-devel
+BuildRequires: krb5-devel
+BuildRequires: ungif-devel
+BuildRequires: strigi-devel >= 0.6.3
+BuildRequires: shared-mime-info
+BuildRequires: soprano-devel >= 4:2.5.60
+BuildRequires: automoc
+BuildRequires: phonon-devel >= 4.2
+BuildRequires: xpm-devel
+BuildRequires: xft2-devel
+BuildRequires: libxml2-utils
+BuildRequires: liblzma-devel
+BuildRequires: libutempter-devel
+BuildRequires: rootcerts
+BuildRequires: flex
+BuildRequires: bison
+BuildRequires: qca2-devel
+BuildRequires: polkit-qt-1-devel >= 0.98.1
+BuildRequires: shared-desktop-ontologies-devel
+BuildRequires: attica-devel
+BuildRequires: libxscrnsaver-devel
+BuildRequires: libdbusmenu-qt-devel 
+BuildRequires: docbook-dtd42-xml
+BuildRequires: docbook-style-xsl
+BuildRequires: aspell-devel
+BuildRequires: hspell-devel
+
+%description 
+Libraries for the K Desktop Environment.
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkde3support
+Summary: KDE 4 Runtime Library for KDE3 support
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kde3support5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+
+%description -n %libkde3support
+KDE 4 Runtime Library for KDE3 support.
+
+%files -n %libkde3support
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkde3support.so.%{kde3support_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdecore
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Requires: phonon-backend >= 4.2.0
+%if !%{bootstrap}
+Requires: kde4-config-file 
+Requires: kde4-l10n
+Requires: qt4-style-iaora
+Requires: kde4-style-iaora
+%endif
+Requires: kdelibs4-core = %epoch:%{version}
+
+%description -n %libkdecore
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdecore
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdecore.so.%{kdecore_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdefakes
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdefakes
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdefakes
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdefakes.so.%{kdefakes_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdesu
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3 
+
+%description -n %libkdesu
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdesu
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdesu.so.%{kdesu_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libkdeui
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdeui
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdeui
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeui.so.%{kdeui_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdnssd
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdnssd5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdnssd
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdnssd
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdnssd.so.%{kdnssd_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkfile
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kfile5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkfile
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkfile
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkfile.so.%{kfile_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libkhtml
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkhtml
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkhtml
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkhtml.so.%{khtml_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkimproxy
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kimproxy5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkimproxy
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkimproxy
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkimproxy.so.%{kimproxy_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkio
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkio
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkio
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkio.so.%{kio_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkjsembed
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kjsembed5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+%if %mdkversion >= 201000
+Obsoletes: kde3-kjsembed < 1:3.5.10-4
+Obsoletes: kjsembed < 1:3.5.10-4
+%endif
+%description -n %libkjsembed
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjsembed
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsembed.so.%{kjsembed_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkjs
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kjs5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkjs
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjs
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjs.so.%{kjs_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libkmediaplayer
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kmediaplayer5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkmediaplayer
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkmediaplayer
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediaplayer.so.%{kmediaplayer_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libnepomuk
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knepomuk5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomuk5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kmetadata5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}konto5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomukmiddleware4 < 3.93.0-0.725600.1 
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomuk-middleware4 < 3.93.0-0.725600.1
+
+%description -n %libnepomuk
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomuk
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomuk.so.%{nepomuk_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libknewstuff2
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff25
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff24 
+
+%description -n %libknewstuff2
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libknewstuff2
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff2.so.%{knewstuff2_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libknotifyconfig
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knotifyconfig5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libknotifyconfig
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libknotifyconfig
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknotifyconfig.so.%{knotifyconfig_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libkntlm
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kntlm5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkntlm
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkntlm
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkntlm.so.%{kntlm_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkparts
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kparts5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkparts
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkparts
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkparts.so.%{kparts_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkrosscore
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}krosscore5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkrosscore
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkrosscore
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkrosscore.so.%{krosscore_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkrossui
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}krossui5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkrossui
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkrossui
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkrossui.so.%{krossui_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libktexteditor
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}ktexteditor5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libktexteditor
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libktexteditor
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libktexteditor.so.%{ktexteditor_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkunittest
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kunittest5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkunittest
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkunittest
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkunittest.so.%{kunittest_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkutils
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kutils5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkutils
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkutils.so.%{kutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+
+%package -n %libsolid
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}solid5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libsolid
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libsolid
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libsolid.so.%{solid_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libthreadweaver
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}threadweaver5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libthreadweaver
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libthreadweaver
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libthreadweaver.so.%{threadweaver_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+%package -n %libkpty
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkpty
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkpty
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkpty.so.%{kpty_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkjsapi
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+
+%description -n %libkjsapi
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjsapi
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsapi.so.%{kjsapi_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libplasma
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libplasma
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libplasma
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libplasma.so.%{libplasma_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkunitconversion
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkunitconversion
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkunitconversion
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkunitconversion.so.%{libkunitconversion_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libnepomukquery
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libnepomukquery
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomukquery
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukquery.so.%{libnepomukquery_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkdewebkit
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkdewebkit
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkdewebkit
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdewebkit.so.%{libkdewebkit_major}*
+
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libknewstuff3
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff34 < 2:4.5.68-2
+
+%description -n %libknewstuff3
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libknewstuff3
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff3.so.%{libknewstuff3_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkatepartinterfaces.so.%{libkatepartinterfaces_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkcmutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkcmutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkcmutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkcmutils.so.%{libkcmutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkprintutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkprintutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkprintutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkprintutils.so.%{libkprintutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkidletime
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkidletime
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkidletime
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkidletime.so.%{libkidletime_major}*
+
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libkemoticons
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkemoticons
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkemoticons
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkemoticons.so.%{libkemoticons_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+
+
+%package -n %libnepomukutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libnepomukutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomukutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukutils.so.%{libnepomukutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%package devel
+Group: Development/KDE and Qt
+Summary: Header files and documentation for compiling KDE applications
+Requires: kde4-macros
+Requires: automoc4
+Requires: acl-devel
+Requires: qt4-devel >= 4:4.7.0
+Requires: qt4-qtdbus
+Requires: kdelibs4-core = %epoch:%version
+Requires: soprano-devel >= 4:2.5.60
+Requires: strigi-devel
+# add requires on libxml2-utils, as when building most kde applications,
+# it will call xmllint to validate the docbook files:
+Requires: libxml2-utils
+Requires: avahi-compat-libdns_sd-devel 
+Requires: avahi-client-devel
+Requires: enchant-devel
+Requires: libxslt-proc
+Requires: libxslt-devel
+Requires: openssl-devel
+Requires: cups-devel >= 1.2
+Requires: pcre-devel
+Requires: fam-devel
+Requires: bzip2-devel
+Requires: libart_lgpl-devel
+Requires: libjpeg-devel
+Requires: libpng-devel
+Requires: libsasl-devel
+Requires: libtiff-devel
+Requires: libvorbis-devel
+Requires: pam-devel
+Requires: libalsa-devel
+Requires: libmad-devel
+Requires: gdbm-devel
+Requires: jasper-devel
+Requires: OpenEXR-devel
+Requires: libacl-devel
+Requires: krb5-devel
+Requires: ungif-devel
+Requires: strigi-devel >= 0.6.3
+Requires: shared-mime-info
+Requires: soprano-devel >= 2.0.98
+Requires: xpm-devel
+Requires: xft2-devel
+Requires: shared-desktop-ontologies-devel >= 0.5
+Provides: plasma-devel = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkde3support = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdecore = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdefakes = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdesu = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdeui = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdnssd = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkfile = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkhtml = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkimproxy = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkio = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjsembed = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjs = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkmediaplayer = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomuk = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknewstuff2 = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknotifyconfig = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkntlm = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkparts = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkrosscore = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkrossui = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libktexteditor = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkunittest = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libsolid = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libthreadweaver = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkpty = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjsapi = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libplasma = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkunitconversion = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdewebkit = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomukquery = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknewstuff3 = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkatepartinterfaces = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkcmutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkemoticons = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkidletime = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkprintutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomukutils = %epoch:%version
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdecore5-devel < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-experimental-devel < 2:4.3.73-1 
+Provides: kdelibs4-experimental-devel = %epoch:%version
+Conflicts: kdelibs4-core < 4.2.95-3
+Conflicts: koffice-devel < 11:1.9.95.9-2mdv
+Conflicts: kdebase4-workspace-devel < 2:4.3.75-1
+Conflicts: kdebase4-runtime <= 1:4.2.4
+Conflicts: webkitkde-devel < 0.0-0.1050148.3
+Conflicts: kdeplatform4-devel < 4:0.9.97-3
+
+%description devel
+This package includes the header files you will need to compile applications 
+for KDE. Also included is the KDE API documentation in HTML format for easy 
+browsing.
+
+%files devel
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_mandir/man1/kdecmake.1*
+%_kde_includedir/*
+%_kde_appsdir/cmake/modules/*
+%_kde_datadir/dbus-1/*/*
+%_kde_libdir/libkdefakes.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdesu.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdnssd.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkhtml.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkimproxy.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjs.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsembed.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediaplayer.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff2.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknotifyconfig.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkntlm.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkparts.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkrossui.so
+%_kde_libdir/libktexteditor.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkunittest.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomuk.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkde3support.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkpty.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkfile.so
+%_kde_libdir/libsolid.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkrosscore.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdecore.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeui.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkio.so
+%_kde_libdir/libthreadweaver.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsapi.so
+%_kde_libdir/libplasma.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkunitconversion.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukquery.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdewebkit.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff3.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkprintutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkidletime.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkemoticons.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkcmutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkatepartinterfaces.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/designer
+%_kde_bindir/checkXML
+%_kde_mandir/man1/checkXML.1*
+%_kde_bindir/kconfig_compiler
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+%package core
+Group: Graphical desktop/KDE
+Summary: KDE 4 system core files
+Suggests: enchant-dictionary
+Suggests: xdg-utils
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-common < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Conflicts: kdelibs4-devel < 2:4.2.85-4
+%if %mdkversion >= 200910
+Obsoletes: kdelibs-common < %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.5.10-6
+%endif
+%if %mdkversion >= 201000
+Obsoletes: kdelibs3-common < %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.5.10-12
+%endif
+Requires: shared-mime-info
+Requires: docbook-dtd42-xml
+Requires: docbook-style-xsl
+Conflicts: kdebase4-workspace < 2:4.1.73-1
+Requires: rootcerts
+Requires: shared-desktop-ontologies
+Obsoletes: lilypond-kde4 < 0.2-3
+Requires:  abrt
+
+%description core
+KDE 4 system core files.
+
+%files core
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_kde_bindir/kbuildsycoca4
+%_kde_bindir/kcookiejar4
+%_kde_bindir/kde4-config
+%_kde_bindir/kded4
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4_shutdown
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4_wrapper
+%_kde_bindir/kjs
+%_kde_bindir/kjscmd
+%_kde_bindir/kross
+%_kde_bindir/kshell4
+%_kde_bindir/kunittestmodrunner
+%_kde_bindir/kwrapper4
+%_kde_bindir/makekdewidgets
+%_kde_bindir/meinproc4
+%_kde_bindir/meinproc4_simple
+%_kde_bindir/nepomuk-rcgen
+%_kde_bindir/preparetips
+%dir %_kde_libdir/kde4
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/*.so
+%dir %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/*
+%attr(4755,root,root) %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/fileshareset
+%dir  %_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/imageformats
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/kauth
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/script
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeinit4_*
+%_kde_datadir/config
+%_kde_datadir/mime/*
+%_kde_datadir/kde4
+%_kde_applicationsdir/kmailservice.desktop
+%_kde_applicationsdir/ktelnetservice.desktop
+%_kde_appsdir/proxyscout
+%_kde_appsdir/LICENSES
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_kdatatool
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_insertfile
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_exporter
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_iconinserter
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_insanehtml_le
+%_kde_appsdir/kssl
+%_kde_appsdir/ksgmltools2
+%_kde_appsdir/knewstuff
+%_kde_appsdir/kjava
+%_kde_appsdir/khtml 
+%_kde_appsdir/kdewidgets
+%_kde_appsdir/kdeui
+%_kde_appsdir/kconf_update
+%_kde_appsdir/kcm_componentchooser
+%_kde_appsdir/katepart
+%_kde_appsdir/kcharselect
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/sonnet
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/common/*
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/data
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/file
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/ftp
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/help
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/http
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/mailto
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/rlogin
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/telnet
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/webdav
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kde4-config.1*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/makekdewidgets.1*
+%_kde_mandir/man7/kdeoptions.7*
+%_kde_mandir/man7/qtoptions.7*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kbuildsycoca4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kcookiejar4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kdeinit4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/meinproc4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kjs.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kjscmd.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kross.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kded4.8.*
+%_kde_datadir/icons
+%_kde_datadir/locale/all_languages
+%_sysconfdir/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.auth.conf
+%_kde_sysconfdir/xdg/kde4/menus/applications.menu
+%_kde_appsdir/kauth
+%_kde_appsdir/plasma
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%package -n kde-l10n-en_US
+Summary: Language files for KDE4 English
+Group: System/Internationalization
+Provides: kde4-l10n
+Requires: locales-en_US
+Conflicts: kdebase4-runtime < 1:4.5.76
+
+%description -n kde-l10n-en_US
+Provides American English translations for KDE 4
+
+%files -n kde-l10n-en_US
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_datadir/locale/en_US/entry.desktop
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+%package apidoc
+Group: Development/KDE and Qt
+Summary: Development documentation for %name
+Requires: qt4-doc
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-apidoc < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+
+%description apidoc
+This packages contains all development documentation for kdelibs
+
+%files apidoc
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_docdir/kde4/api/*
+%endif
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%prep
+%if %branch
+%setup -q -n kdelibs-%version%kde_snapshot
+%else
+%setup -q -n kdelibs-%version
+%endif
+
+%if %experimental
+tar xjvf %SOURCE1
+%if %branch
+  mv kdelibs-experimental-%version%kde_snapshot experimental
+%else
+  mv kdelibs-experimental-%version experimental
+%endif
+%endif
+#REDIFF
+#%patch0 -p0 
+#%patch1 -p0
+%patch2 -p0
+#%patch3 -p0
+%patch4 -p0
+%patch5 -p0
+%patch6 -p0
+%patch7 -p0
+%patch8 -p0
+%patch9 -p0
+%patch11 -p0
+
+# add release version as part of branding ( From Fedora )
+sed -i -e "s|@@VERSION_RELEASE@@|%{version}-%{release}|" kio/kio/kprotocolmanager.cpp
+#%patch10 -p1
+
+%build
+%cmake_kde4
+%make
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+  cd ..
+  doc/api/doxygen.sh --doxdatadir=${PWD}/doc/common .
+%endif
+
+%install
+rm -fr %buildroot
+%makeinstall_std -C build
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+  mkdir -p %buildroot/%_docdir/kde4/api
+  cp -av kdelibs-%version-apidocs %buildroot/%_docdir/kde4/api/kdelibs
+%endif 
+
+%__rm -fr %buildroot%_kde_appsdir/kssl/ca-bundle.crt
+ln -snf %_sysconfdir/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt %buildroot%_kde_appsdir/kssl/ca-bundle.crt
+
+%clean
+rm -fr %buildroot
\ No newline at end of file
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+%define branch 0
+%{?_branch: %{expand: %%global branch 1}}
+
+%define experimental 0
+%{?_experimental: %{expand: %%global experimental 1}}
+
+%define compile_apidox 0
+%{?_with_apidox: %{expand: %%global compile_apidox 1}}
+
+%define bootstrap 0
+%{?_without_bootstrap: %global bootstrap 0}
+%{?_with_bootstrap: %global bootstrap 1}
+
+%define epoch_kdelibs3 30000000
+
+%if %branch
+%define kde_snapshot svn1198704
+%endif
+
+Name: kdelibs4
+Summary: K Desktop Environment - Libraries
+Version: 4.5.95
+%if %branch
+Release: %mkrel -c %kde_snapshot 1
+%else
+Release: %mkrel 1
+%endif
+Epoch: 2
+Group: Graphical desktop/KDE
+License: ARTISTIC BSD GPL_V2 LGPL_V2 QPL_V1.0
+BuildRoot: %_tmppath/%name-%version-%release-root
+URL: http://www.kde.org
+%if %branch
+Source: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-%version%kde_snapshot.tar.bz2
+%if %experimental
+Source1: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-experimental-%version%kde_snapshot.tar.bz2
+%endif
+%else
+Source: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-%version.tar.bz2
+%if %experimental
+Source1: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/%version/src/kdelibs-experimental-%version.tar.bz2
+%endif
+%endif
+#Mageia Patches
+Patch0: kdelibs-4.5.85-add-extra-catalogs.patch
+Patch1: kdelibs-4.1.81-overrides-oxygen-iaora.patch
+Patch2: kdelibs-4.1.85-add-kde-menu.patch
+Patch3: kdelibs-4.2.95-fix-kross-lib.patch
+Patch4: kdelibs-4.5.85-add-default-places.patch
+Patch5: kdelibs-fix-containment.patch
+Patch6: kdelibs-4.4.0-use-timeline.patch
+Patch7: kdelibs-4.5.95-no-HAL.patch
+Patch8: kdelibs-4.3.90-install_all_css.patch
+Patch9: kdelibs-4.5.85-branding.patch
+patch10: kdelibs-4.5.85-policykit-workaround.patch
+Patch11: kdelibs-4.5.95-kate-wordwrap-ON.patch
+#Official backports ( P100 -> P199 )
+#Trunk patches ( P200 -> P299 )
+#Testing ( P300 -> inf )
+Patch301: kdelibs-testing-mdv47378.patch
+BuildRequires: kde4-macros >= 4.1.71
+BuildRequires: qt4-devel >= 4:4.7.0
+BuildRequires: qt4-qtdbus
+BuildRequires: avahi-compat-libdns_sd-devel 
+BuildRequires: avahi-client-devel
+BuildRequires: enchant-devel
+BuildRequires: libxslt-proc
+BuildRequires: libxslt-devel
+BuildRequires: libxml2 >= 2.4.11
+BuildRequires: openssl-devel
+BuildRequires: cups-devel >= 1.2
+BuildRequires: pcre-devel
+BuildRequires: fam-devel
+BuildRequires: bzip2-devel
+BuildRequires: libart_lgpl-devel
+BuildRequires: libsasl-devel
+BuildRequires: libtiff-devel
+BuildRequires: libvorbis-devel
+BuildRequires: udev-devel
+BuildRequires: pam-devel
+BuildRequires: libalsa-devel
+BuildRequires: libmad-devel
+BuildRequires: gdbm-devel
+BuildRequires: jasper-devel
+BuildRequires: OpenEXR-devel
+BuildRequires: libacl-devel
+BuildRequires: krb5-devel
+BuildRequires: ungif-devel
+BuildRequires: strigi-devel >= 0.6.3
+BuildRequires: shared-mime-info
+BuildRequires: soprano-devel >= 4:2.5.60
+BuildRequires: automoc
+BuildRequires: phonon-devel >= 4.2
+BuildRequires: xpm-devel
+BuildRequires: xft2-devel
+BuildRequires: libxml2-utils
+BuildRequires: liblzma-devel
+BuildRequires: libutempter-devel
+BuildRequires: rootcerts
+BuildRequires: flex
+BuildRequires: bison
+BuildRequires: qca2-devel
+BuildRequires: polkit-qt-1-devel >= 0.98.1
+BuildRequires: shared-desktop-ontologies-devel
+BuildRequires: attica-devel
+BuildRequires: libxscrnsaver-devel
+BuildRequires: libdbusmenu-qt-devel 
+BuildRequires: docbook-dtd42-xml
+BuildRequires: docbook-style-xsl
+BuildRequires: aspell-devel
+BuildRequires: hspell-devel
+
+%description 
+Libraries for the K Desktop Environment.
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kde3support_major 4
+%define libkde3support %mklibname kde3support %kde3support_major
+
+%package -n %libkde3support
+Summary: KDE 4 Runtime Library for KDE3 support
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kde3support5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+
+%description -n %libkde3support
+KDE 4 Runtime Library for KDE3 support.
+
+%files -n %libkde3support
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkde3support.so.%{kde3support_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdecore_major 5
+%define libkdecore %mklibname kdecore %kdecore_major
+
+%package -n %libkdecore
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Requires: phonon-backend >= 4.2.0
+%if !%{bootstrap}
+Requires: kde4-config-file 
+Requires: kde4-l10n
+Requires: qt4-style-iaora
+Requires: kde4-style-iaora
+%endif
+Requires: kdelibs4-core = %epoch:%{version}
+
+%description -n %libkdecore
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdecore
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdecore.so.%{kdecore_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdefakes_major 5
+%define libkdefakes %mklibname kdefakes %kdefakes_major
+
+%package -n %libkdefakes
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdefakes
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdefakes
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdefakes.so.%{kdefakes_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdesu_major 5
+%define libkdesu %mklibname kdesu %kdesu_major
+
+%package -n %libkdesu
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3 
+
+%description -n %libkdesu
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdesu
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdesu.so.%{kdesu_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdeui_major 5
+%define libkdeui %mklibname kdeui %kdeui_major
+
+%package -n %libkdeui
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdeui
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdeui
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeui.so.%{kdeui_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kdnssd_major 4
+%define libkdnssd %mklibname kdnssd %kdnssd_major
+
+%package -n %libkdnssd
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdnssd5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkdnssd
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkdnssd
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdnssd.so.%{kdnssd_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kfile_major 4
+%define libkfile %mklibname kfile %kfile_major
+
+%package -n %libkfile
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kfile5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkfile
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkfile
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkfile.so.%{kfile_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define khtml_major 5
+%define libkhtml %mklibname khtml %khtml_major
+
+%package -n %libkhtml
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkhtml
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkhtml
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkhtml.so.%{khtml_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kimproxy_major 4
+%define libkimproxy %mklibname kimproxy %kimproxy_major
+
+%package -n %libkimproxy
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kimproxy5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkimproxy
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkimproxy
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkimproxy.so.%{kimproxy_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kio_major 5
+%define libkio %mklibname kio %kio_major
+
+%package -n %libkio
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkio
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkio
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkio.so.%{kio_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kjsembed_major 4
+%define libkjsembed %mklibname kjsembed %kjsembed_major
+
+%package -n %libkjsembed
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kjsembed5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+%if %mdkversion >= 201000
+Obsoletes: kde3-kjsembed < 1:3.5.10-4
+Obsoletes: kjsembed < 1:3.5.10-4
+%endif
+%description -n %libkjsembed
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjsembed
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsembed.so.%{kjsembed_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kjs_major 4
+%define libkjs %mklibname kjs %kjs_major
+
+%package -n %libkjs
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kjs5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkjs
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjs
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjs.so.%{kjs_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kmediaplayer_major 4
+%define libkmediaplayer %mklibname kmediaplayer %kmediaplayer_major
+
+%package -n %libkmediaplayer
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kmediaplayer5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkmediaplayer
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkmediaplayer
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediaplayer.so.%{kmediaplayer_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define nepomuk_major 4
+%define libnepomuk %mklibname nepomuk %nepomuk_major
+
+%package -n %libnepomuk
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knepomuk5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomuk5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kmetadata5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}konto5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomukmiddleware4 < 3.93.0-0.725600.1 
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}nepomuk-middleware4 < 3.93.0-0.725600.1
+
+%description -n %libnepomuk
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomuk
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomuk.so.%{nepomuk_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define knewstuff2_major 4
+%define libknewstuff2 %mklibname knewstuff2_ %knewstuff2_major
+
+%package -n %libknewstuff2
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff25
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff24 
+
+%description -n %libknewstuff2
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libknewstuff2
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff2.so.%{knewstuff2_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define knotifyconfig_major 4
+%define libknotifyconfig %mklibname knotifyconfig %knotifyconfig_major
+
+%package -n %libknotifyconfig
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knotifyconfig5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libknotifyconfig
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libknotifyconfig
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknotifyconfig.so.%{knotifyconfig_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kntlm_major 4
+%define libkntlm %mklibname kntlm %kntlm_major
+
+%package -n %libkntlm
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kntlm5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkntlm
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkntlm
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkntlm.so.%{kntlm_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kparts_major 4
+%define libkparts %mklibname kparts %kparts_major
+
+%package -n %libkparts
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kparts5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkparts
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkparts
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkparts.so.%{kparts_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define krosscore_major 4
+%define libkrosscore %mklibname krosscore %krosscore_major
+
+%package -n %libkrosscore
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}krosscore5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkrosscore
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkrosscore
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkrosscore.so.%{krosscore_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define krossui_major 4
+%define libkrossui %mklibname krossui %krossui_major
+
+%package -n %libkrossui
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}krossui5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkrossui
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkrossui
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkrossui.so.%{krossui_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define ktexteditor_major 4
+%define libktexteditor %mklibname ktexteditor %ktexteditor_major
+
+%package -n %libktexteditor
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}ktexteditor5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libktexteditor
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libktexteditor
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libktexteditor.so.%{ktexteditor_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kunittest_major 4
+%define libkunittest %mklibname kunittest %kunittest_major
+
+%package -n %libkunittest
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kunittest5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkunittest
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkunittest
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkunittest.so.%{kunittest_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define kutils_major 4
+%define libkutils %mklibname kutils %kutils_major
+
+%package -n %libkutils
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kutils5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkutils
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkutils.so.%{kutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------	
+
+%define solid_major 4
+%define libsolid %mklibname solid %solid_major
+
+%package -n %libsolid
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}solid5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libsolid
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libsolid
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libsolid.so.%{solid_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define threadweaver_major 4
+%define libthreadweaver %mklibname threadweaver %threadweaver_major
+
+%package -n %libthreadweaver
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Conflicts: %{_lib}kdecore5 >= %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.80.3
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}threadweaver5 < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+ 
+
+%description -n %libthreadweaver
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libthreadweaver
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libthreadweaver.so.%{threadweaver_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kpty_major 4
+%define libkpty %mklibname kpty %kpty_major
+
+%package -n %libkpty
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+ 
+
+%description -n %libkpty
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkpty
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkpty.so.%{kpty_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kjsapi_major 4
+%define libkjsapi %mklibname kjsapi %kjsapi_major
+
+%package -n %libkjsapi
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+
+%description -n %libkjsapi
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkjsapi
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsapi.so.%{kjsapi_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libplasma_major 3
+%define libplasma %mklibname plasma %{libplasma_major}
+
+%package -n %libplasma
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libplasma
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libplasma
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libplasma.so.%{libplasma_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkunitconversion_major 4
+%define libkunitconversion %mklibname kunitconversion %{libkunitconversion_major}
+
+%package -n %libkunitconversion
+Summary: KDE 4 core library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkunitconversion
+KDE 4 core library.
+
+%files -n %libkunitconversion
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkunitconversion.so.%{libkunitconversion_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libnepomukquery_major 4
+%define libnepomukquery %mklibname nepomukquery %{libnepomukquery_major}
+
+%package -n %libnepomukquery
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libnepomukquery
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomukquery
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukquery.so.%{libnepomukquery_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkdewebkit_major 5
+%define libkdewebkit %mklibname kdewebkit %{libkdewebkit_major}
+
+%package -n %libkdewebkit
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkdewebkit
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkdewebkit
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkdewebkit.so.%{libkdewebkit_major}*
+
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libknewstuff3_major 4
+%define libknewstuff3 %mklibname knewstuff3_ %{libknewstuff3_major}
+
+%package -n %libknewstuff3
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}knewstuff34 < 2:4.5.68-2
+
+%description -n %libknewstuff3
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libknewstuff3
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff3.so.%{libknewstuff3_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkatepartinterfaces_major 4
+%define libkatepartinterfaces %mklibname katepartinterfaces %{libkatepartinterfaces_major}
+
+%package -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkatepartinterfaces
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkatepartinterfaces.so.%{libkatepartinterfaces_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkcmutils_major 4
+%define libkcmutils %mklibname kcmutils %{libkcmutils_major}
+
+%package -n %libkcmutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkcmutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkcmutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkcmutils.so.%{libkcmutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkprintutils_major 4
+%define libkprintutils %mklibname kprintutils %{libkprintutils_major}
+
+%package -n %libkprintutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkprintutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkprintutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkprintutils.so.%{libkprintutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkidletime_major 4
+%define libkidletime %mklibname kidletime %{libkidletime_major}
+
+%package -n %libkidletime
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkidletime
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkidletime
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkidletime.so.%{libkidletime_major}*
+
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libkemoticons_major 4
+%define libkemoticons %mklibname kemoticons %{libkemoticons_major}
+
+%package -n %libkemoticons
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libkemoticons
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libkemoticons
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libkemoticons.so.%{libkemoticons_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%define libnepomukutils_major 4
+%define libnepomukutils %mklibname nepomukutils %{libnepomukutils_major}
+
+%package -n %libnepomukutils
+Summary: KDE 4 library
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libnepomukutils
+KDE 4 library.
+
+%files -n %libnepomukutils
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukutils.so.%{libnepomukutils_major}*
+
+#------------------------------------------------
+
+%package devel
+Group: Development/KDE and Qt
+Summary: Header files and documentation for compiling KDE applications
+Requires: kde4-macros
+Requires: automoc4
+Requires: acl-devel
+Requires: qt4-devel >= 4:4.7.0
+Requires: qt4-qtdbus
+Requires: kdelibs4-core = %epoch:%version
+Requires: soprano-devel >= 4:2.5.60
+Requires: strigi-devel
+# add requires on libxml2-utils, as when building most kde applications,
+# it will call xmllint to validate the docbook files:
+Requires: libxml2-utils
+Requires: avahi-compat-libdns_sd-devel 
+Requires: avahi-client-devel
+Requires: enchant-devel
+Requires: libxslt-proc
+Requires: libxslt-devel
+Requires: openssl-devel
+Requires: cups-devel >= 1.2
+Requires: pcre-devel
+Requires: fam-devel
+Requires: bzip2-devel
+Requires: libart_lgpl-devel
+Requires: libjpeg-devel
+Requires: libpng-devel
+Requires: libsasl-devel
+Requires: libtiff-devel
+Requires: libvorbis-devel
+Requires: pam-devel
+Requires: libalsa-devel
+Requires: libmad-devel
+Requires: gdbm-devel
+Requires: jasper-devel
+Requires: OpenEXR-devel
+Requires: libacl-devel
+Requires: krb5-devel
+Requires: ungif-devel
+Requires: strigi-devel >= 0.6.3
+Requires: shared-mime-info
+Requires: soprano-devel >= 2.0.98
+Requires: xpm-devel
+Requires: xft2-devel
+Requires: shared-desktop-ontologies-devel >= 0.5
+Provides: plasma-devel = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkde3support = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdecore = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdefakes = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdesu = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdeui = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdnssd = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkfile = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkhtml = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkimproxy = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkio = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjsembed = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjs = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkmediaplayer = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomuk = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknewstuff2 = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknotifyconfig = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkntlm = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkparts = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkrosscore = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkrossui = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libktexteditor = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkunittest = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libsolid = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libthreadweaver = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkpty = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkjsapi = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libplasma = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkunitconversion = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkdewebkit = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomukquery = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libknewstuff3 = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkatepartinterfaces = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkcmutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkemoticons = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkidletime = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libkprintutils = %epoch:%version
+Requires: %libnepomukutils = %epoch:%version
+Obsoletes: %{_lib}kdecore5-devel < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-experimental-devel < 2:4.3.73-1 
+Provides: kdelibs4-experimental-devel = %epoch:%version
+Conflicts: kdelibs4-core < 4.2.95-3
+Conflicts: koffice-devel < 11:1.9.95.9-2mdv
+Conflicts: kdebase4-workspace-devel < 2:4.3.75-1
+Conflicts: kdebase4-runtime <= 1:4.2.4
+Conflicts: webkitkde-devel < 0.0-0.1050148.3
+Conflicts: kdeplatform4-devel < 4:0.9.97-3
+
+%description devel
+This package includes the header files you will need to compile applications 
+for KDE. Also included is the KDE API documentation in HTML format for easy 
+browsing.
+
+%files devel
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_mandir/man1/kdecmake.1*
+%_kde_includedir/*
+%_kde_appsdir/cmake/modules/*
+%_kde_datadir/dbus-1/*/*
+%_kde_libdir/libkdefakes.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdesu.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdnssd.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkhtml.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkimproxy.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjs.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsembed.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediaplayer.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff2.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknotifyconfig.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkntlm.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkparts.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkrossui.so
+%_kde_libdir/libktexteditor.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkunittest.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomuk.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkde3support.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkpty.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkfile.so
+%_kde_libdir/libsolid.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkrosscore.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdecore.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeui.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkio.so
+%_kde_libdir/libthreadweaver.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkjsapi.so
+%_kde_libdir/libplasma.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkunitconversion.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukquery.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkdewebkit.so
+%_kde_libdir/libknewstuff3.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkprintutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkidletime.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkemoticons.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkcmutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/libkatepartinterfaces.so
+%_kde_libdir/libnepomukutils.so
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/designer
+%_kde_bindir/checkXML
+%_kde_mandir/man1/checkXML.1*
+%_kde_bindir/kconfig_compiler
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+%package core
+Group: Graphical desktop/KDE
+Summary: KDE 4 system core files
+Suggests: enchant-dictionary
+Suggests: xdg-utils
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-common < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+Conflicts: kdelibs4-devel < 2:4.2.85-4
+%if %mdkversion >= 200910
+Obsoletes: kdelibs-common < %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.5.10-6
+%endif
+%if %mdkversion >= 201000
+Obsoletes: kdelibs3-common < %{epoch_kdelibs3}:3.5.10-12
+%endif
+Requires: shared-mime-info
+Requires: docbook-dtd42-xml
+Requires: docbook-style-xsl
+Conflicts: kdebase4-workspace < 2:4.1.73-1
+Requires: rootcerts
+Requires: shared-desktop-ontologies
+Obsoletes: lilypond-kde4 < 0.2-3
+Requires:  abrt
+
+%description core
+KDE 4 system core files.
+
+%files core
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_kde_bindir/kbuildsycoca4
+%_kde_bindir/kcookiejar4
+%_kde_bindir/kde4-config
+%_kde_bindir/kded4
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4_shutdown
+%_kde_bindir/kdeinit4_wrapper
+%_kde_bindir/kjs
+%_kde_bindir/kjscmd
+%_kde_bindir/kross
+%_kde_bindir/kshell4
+%_kde_bindir/kunittestmodrunner
+%_kde_bindir/kwrapper4
+%_kde_bindir/makekdewidgets
+%_kde_bindir/meinproc4
+%_kde_bindir/meinproc4_simple
+%_kde_bindir/nepomuk-rcgen
+%_kde_bindir/preparetips
+%dir %_kde_libdir/kde4
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/*.so
+%dir %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/*
+%attr(4755,root,root) %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/fileshareset
+%dir  %_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/imageformats
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/kauth
+%_kde_libdir/kde4/plugins/script
+%_kde_libdir/libkdeinit4_*
+%_kde_datadir/config
+%_kde_datadir/mime/*
+%_kde_datadir/kde4
+%_kde_applicationsdir/kmailservice.desktop
+%_kde_applicationsdir/ktelnetservice.desktop
+%_kde_appsdir/proxyscout
+%_kde_appsdir/LICENSES
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_kdatatool
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_insertfile
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_exporter
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_iconinserter
+%_kde_appsdir/ktexteditor_insanehtml_le
+%_kde_appsdir/kssl
+%_kde_appsdir/ksgmltools2
+%_kde_appsdir/knewstuff
+%_kde_appsdir/kjava
+%_kde_appsdir/khtml 
+%_kde_appsdir/kdewidgets
+%_kde_appsdir/kdeui
+%_kde_appsdir/kconf_update
+%_kde_appsdir/kcm_componentchooser
+%_kde_appsdir/katepart
+%_kde_appsdir/kcharselect
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/sonnet
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/common/*
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/data
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/file
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/ftp
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/help
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/http
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/mailto
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/rlogin
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/telnet
+%_kde_docdir/HTML/en/kioslave/webdav
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kde4-config.1*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/makekdewidgets.1*
+%_kde_mandir/man7/kdeoptions.7*
+%_kde_mandir/man7/qtoptions.7*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kbuildsycoca4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kcookiejar4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kdeinit4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/meinproc4.8*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kjs.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kjscmd.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man1/kross.1.*
+%_kde_mandir/man8/kded4.8.*
+%_kde_datadir/icons
+%_kde_datadir/locale/all_languages
+%_sysconfdir/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.auth.conf
+%_kde_sysconfdir/xdg/kde4/menus/applications.menu
+%_kde_appsdir/kauth
+%_kde_appsdir/plasma
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%package -n kde-l10n-en_US
+Summary: Language files for KDE4 English
+Group: System/Internationalization
+Provides: kde4-l10n
+Requires: locales-en_US
+Conflicts: kdebase4-runtime < 1:4.5.76
+
+%description -n kde-l10n-en_US
+Provides American English translations for KDE 4
+
+%files -n kde-l10n-en_US
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_kde_datadir/locale/en_US/entry.desktop
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+%package apidoc
+Group: Development/KDE and Qt
+Summary: Development documentation for %name
+Requires: qt4-doc
+Obsoletes: kdelibs4-apidoc < 3.93.0-0.714006.1
+
+%description apidoc
+This packages contains all development documentation for kdelibs
+
+%files apidoc
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%_docdir/kde4/api/*
+%endif
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%prep
+%if %branch
+%setup -q -n kdelibs-%version%kde_snapshot
+%else
+%setup -q -n kdelibs-%version
+%endif
+
+%if %experimental
+tar xjvf %SOURCE1
+%if %branch
+  mv kdelibs-experimental-%version%kde_snapshot experimental
+%else
+  mv kdelibs-experimental-%version experimental
+%endif
+%endif
+#REDIFF
+#%patch0 -p0 
+#%patch1 -p0
+%patch2 -p0
+#%patch3 -p0
+%patch4 -p0
+%patch5 -p0
+%patch6 -p0
+%patch7 -p0
+%patch8 -p0
+%patch9 -p0
+%patch11 -p0
+
+# add release version as part of branding ( From Fedora )
+sed -i -e "s|@@VERSION_RELEASE@@|%{version}-%{release}|" kio/kio/kprotocolmanager.cpp
+#%patch10 -p1
+
+%build
+%cmake_kde4
+%make
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+  cd ..
+  doc/api/doxygen.sh --doxdatadir=${PWD}/doc/common .
+%endif
+
+%install
+rm -fr %buildroot
+%makeinstall_std -C build
+
+%if %{compile_apidox}
+  mkdir -p %buildroot/%_docdir/kde4/api
+  cp -av kdelibs-%version-apidocs %buildroot/%_docdir/kde4/api/kdelibs
+%endif 
+
+%__rm -fr %buildroot%_kde_appsdir/kssl/ca-bundle.crt
+ln -snf %_sysconfdir/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt %buildroot%_kde_appsdir/kssl/ca-bundle.crt
+
+%clean
+rm -fr %buildroot
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+<p><br>
+Le 27 janv. 2011 14:29, &quot;Buchan Milne&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net">bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Monday, 24 January 2011 13:37:19 Jerome Quelin wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; some news regarding perl modules rebuilding...<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; i&#39;m going my way through the existing modules, rebuilding them in order.<br>
+&gt; &gt; i&#39;ve already rebuild ~1700 of them - remains 600.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; in the meantime, i&#39;ve blacklisted some of the rebuilds due to missing<br>
+&gt; &gt; non-perl prereqs, build errors that i don&#39;t have the time to investigate<br>
+&gt; &gt; (yet), etc. so it&#39;s a perfect opportunity for you to step in and help if<br>
+&gt; &gt; you have some tuits to spare.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; here&#39;s the list of blacklist, with respective problem:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; perl-Heimdal-Kadm5                          miss heimdal-devel<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Due to lack of time, I haven&#39;t been able to be involved in the packaging<br>
+&gt; meetings up to now. However, now that I have fixed the most pressing issues in<br>
+&gt; CatDap, I would like to get some of my Mandriva packages into Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; However, I haven&#39;t seen an authoritative indication of what software should go<br>
+&gt; into which repository. If there is only to be one &#39;core&#39; repository, and all<br>
+&gt; main+contrib should go there, then I will look at uploading heimdal (and<br>
+&gt; various other packages) there.<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>here it is <br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy&amp;s[]=tainted">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy&amp;s[]=tainted</a></p>
+<p>&gt; However, that brings up some other questions. Which Kerberos implementation<br>
+&gt; are we going to use as the &quot;default&quot; ? Heimdal has some interesting features<br>
+&gt; (I think especially of the kcm Kerberos credential manager, allowing multiple<br>
+&gt; tickets, and a patch for Openssh to allow specification of which ticket to use<br>
+&gt; for which hosts in ~/.ssh/config).</p>
+<p>I guess you should make  proposals explaining reasons and roadmap </p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; Buchan<br>
+</p>
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+Le 27 janv. 2011 14:29, &quot;Buchan Milne&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net">bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Monday, 24 January 2011 13:37:19 Jerome Quelin wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; some news regarding perl modules rebuilding...<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; i&#39;m going my way through the existing modules, rebuilding them in order.<br>
+&gt; &gt; i&#39;ve already rebuild ~1700 of them - remains 600.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; in the meantime, i&#39;ve blacklisted some of the rebuilds due to missing<br>
+&gt; &gt; non-perl prereqs, build errors that i don&#39;t have the time to investigate<br>
+&gt; &gt; (yet), etc. so it&#39;s a perfect opportunity for you to step in and help if<br>
+&gt; &gt; you have some tuits to spare.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; here&#39;s the list of blacklist, with respective problem:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; perl-Heimdal-Kadm5                          miss heimdal-devel<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Due to lack of time, I haven&#39;t been able to be involved in the packaging<br>
+&gt; meetings up to now. However, now that I have fixed the most pressing issues in<br>
+&gt; CatDap, I would like to get some of my Mandriva packages into Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; However, I haven&#39;t seen an authoritative indication of what software should go<br>
+&gt; into which repository. If there is only to be one &#39;core&#39; repository, and all<br>
+&gt; main+contrib should go there, then I will look at uploading heimdal (and<br>
+&gt; various other packages) there.<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>here it is <br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy&amp;s[]=tainted">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirrors_policy&amp;s[]=tainted</a></p>
+<p>&gt; However, that brings up some other questions. Which Kerberos implementation<br>
+&gt; are we going to use as the &quot;default&quot; ? Heimdal has some interesting features<br>
+&gt; (I think especially of the kcm Kerberos credential manager, allowing multiple<br>
+&gt; tickets, and a patch for Openssh to allow specification of which ticket to use<br>
+&gt; for which hosts in ~/.ssh/config).</p>
+<p>I guess you should make  proposals explaining reasons and roadmap </p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; Buchan<br>
+</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110128/77feba8c/attachment-0001.ksh b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110128/77feba8c/attachment-0001.ksh
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index 000000000..34ba18f85
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110128/77feba8c/attachment-0001.ksh
@@ -0,0 +1,88 @@
+#!/usr/bin/perl
+
+use Getopt::Long;
+use Pod::Usage;
+
+my %options;
+
+GetOptions(
+    "l" => sub { $options{local} = 1 },
+) or pod2usage(1);
+
+my ($action, @args) = @ARGV;
+
+my $mdvsoft = MDV::Soft->new(%options);
+
+if ($mdvsoft->can($action)) {
+    $mdvsoft->$action(@args);
+} else {
+    pod2usage(1);
+}
+
+exit(0);
+
+package MDV::Soft;
+
+use SVN::Client;
+use File::Temp qw(tempdir);
+use MDK::Common;
+
+sub new {
+    my ($class, %options) = @_;
+    bless {
+        svn => SVN::Client->new,
+        branch => 'trunk',
+        root => 'svn+ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft',
+        opts => \%options,
+    }, $class;
+}
+
+sub export {
+    my ($self, $name, $o_destdir) = @_;
+    unless ($name) {
+        warn "Can't export without a module name";
+        return;
+    }
+    my $module_url = $self->{opts}{local} ? $ENV{PWD} : $self->{root} . '/' . $name . '/' . $self->{branch};
+    my $tmp_dir = tempdir(CLEANUP => 1);
+    my $export_dir = $tmp_dir . '/' . $name;
+
+    $self->{svn}->export($module_url, $export_dir, undef, undef)
+      or die "Can't checkout $module_url";
+
+    my $config = read_config($export_dir);
+    my $distname = $config->{NAME} . '-' . $config->{VERSION};
+    $distname .= '-' . $config->{RELEASE} if $config->{RELEASE} > 1;
+
+    rename($export_dir, $tmp_dir . '/' . $distname);
+    my $tarball = $distname . '.tar.bz2';
+    $tarball = $o_destdir . '/' . $tarball if -d $o_destdir;
+    system('tar', '-C', $tmp_dir, '-cjf', $tarball, $distname) == 0
+      or die "Can't compress $distname";
+
+    print "Exported $tarball\n";
+
+    1;
+}
+
+sub read_config {
+    my ($config_dir) = @_;
+    my $config = {};
+    my @mandatory_vars = qw(NAME VERSION);
+    my @config_vars =  (@mandatory_vars, qw(RELEASE));
+    my $config_name = 'Makefile';
+
+    foreach my $line (cat_($config_dir . '/' . $config_name)) {
+        foreach my $var (@config_vars) {
+            $line =~ /^$var\s*:?=\s*([^#]+)/ and $config->{$var} = chomp_($1);
+        }
+    }
+
+    foreach (@mandatory_vars) {
+        $config->{$_} or die "Can't find config variable $_ in $config_name";
+    }
+
+    $config;
+}
+
+1;
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110128/77feba8c/attachment.ksh b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110128/77feba8c/attachment.ksh
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index 000000000..34ba18f85
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110128/77feba8c/attachment.ksh
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+#!/usr/bin/perl
+
+use Getopt::Long;
+use Pod::Usage;
+
+my %options;
+
+GetOptions(
+    "l" => sub { $options{local} = 1 },
+) or pod2usage(1);
+
+my ($action, @args) = @ARGV;
+
+my $mdvsoft = MDV::Soft->new(%options);
+
+if ($mdvsoft->can($action)) {
+    $mdvsoft->$action(@args);
+} else {
+    pod2usage(1);
+}
+
+exit(0);
+
+package MDV::Soft;
+
+use SVN::Client;
+use File::Temp qw(tempdir);
+use MDK::Common;
+
+sub new {
+    my ($class, %options) = @_;
+    bless {
+        svn => SVN::Client->new,
+        branch => 'trunk',
+        root => 'svn+ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft',
+        opts => \%options,
+    }, $class;
+}
+
+sub export {
+    my ($self, $name, $o_destdir) = @_;
+    unless ($name) {
+        warn "Can't export without a module name";
+        return;
+    }
+    my $module_url = $self->{opts}{local} ? $ENV{PWD} : $self->{root} . '/' . $name . '/' . $self->{branch};
+    my $tmp_dir = tempdir(CLEANUP => 1);
+    my $export_dir = $tmp_dir . '/' . $name;
+
+    $self->{svn}->export($module_url, $export_dir, undef, undef)
+      or die "Can't checkout $module_url";
+
+    my $config = read_config($export_dir);
+    my $distname = $config->{NAME} . '-' . $config->{VERSION};
+    $distname .= '-' . $config->{RELEASE} if $config->{RELEASE} > 1;
+
+    rename($export_dir, $tmp_dir . '/' . $distname);
+    my $tarball = $distname . '.tar.bz2';
+    $tarball = $o_destdir . '/' . $tarball if -d $o_destdir;
+    system('tar', '-C', $tmp_dir, '-cjf', $tarball, $distname) == 0
+      or die "Can't compress $distname";
+
+    print "Exported $tarball\n";
+
+    1;
+}
+
+sub read_config {
+    my ($config_dir) = @_;
+    my $config = {};
+    my @mandatory_vars = qw(NAME VERSION);
+    my @config_vars =  (@mandatory_vars, qw(RELEASE));
+    my $config_name = 'Makefile';
+
+    foreach my $line (cat_($config_dir . '/' . $config_name)) {
+        foreach my $var (@config_vars) {
+            $line =~ /^$var\s*:?=\s*([^#]+)/ and $config->{$var} = chomp_($1);
+        }
+    }
+
+    foreach (@mandatory_vars) {
+        $config->{$_} or die "Can't find config variable $_ in $config_name";
+    }
+
+    $config;
+}
+
+1;
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+<div>03.02.11, 20:58, "Jerome Quelin" :</div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #CCCCCC;margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1em;">hi,<br /><br />one of mageia's goals is to empower users, and change them to<br />contributors. there are lots of ways to contribute, but since this post<br />is on -dev, i'll talk about packaging.<br /><br />so, if someone is looking for a mentor, now is the time to speak...<br /><br />if there are lots of candidates (and looking at<br />http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_registered_people,<br />there should be quite a lot), i'll priorize on the following criteria in<br />order:<br /><br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- people with packaging experience (this way, we can increase the<br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;packagers pool faster)<br /><br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- people interested in perl packaging (because, you know, this is my<br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;own area)<br /><br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- people not too far from my timezone (i'm in lyon, france, met)</blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Hi! You're looking for a padawan, and I'm looking for a jedi master :)<br /><br />I have some experience in packaging (codelite, jgraphx, bluemindo, qwt...).<br />St&eacute;phane T&eacute;letch&eacute;a was my mentor in Mandriva. We have a slight<br />difference (2 hours) between time zones. In packaging I'm mostly interested<br />in dev tools, multimedia and GNOME.<br /><br />If I can be useful as padawan and packager, let me know about that.</div>
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+<div>03.02.11, 20:58, "Jerome Quelin" :</div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #CCCCCC;margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1em;">hi,<br /><br />one of mageia's goals is to empower users, and change them to<br />contributors. there are lots of ways to contribute, but since this post<br />is on -dev, i'll talk about packaging.<br /><br />so, if someone is looking for a mentor, now is the time to speak...<br /><br />if there are lots of candidates (and looking at<br />http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_registered_people,<br />there should be quite a lot), i'll priorize on the following criteria in<br />order:<br /><br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- people with packaging experience (this way, we can increase the<br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;packagers pool faster)<br /><br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- people interested in perl packaging (because, you know, this is my<br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;own area)<br /><br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- people not too far from my timezone (i'm in lyon, france, met)</blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Hi! You're looking for a padawan, and I'm looking for a jedi master :)<br /><br />I have some experience in packaging (codelite, jgraphx, bluemindo, qwt...).<br />St&eacute;phane T&eacute;letch&eacute;a was my mentor in Mandriva. We have a slight<br />difference (2 hours) between time zones. In packaging I'm mostly interested<br />in dev tools, multimedia and GNOME.<br /><br />If I can be useful as padawan and packager, let me know about that.</div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:lucida console,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Greetings,<br>I have deep knowledge of php if I can be of help.<br>please let me know.<br><br>cheers<br>C. Roger<br></div><div style="font-family: lucida console,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Anne nicolas &lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, 6 February, 2011 5:53:34 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Dev Team Call To Action...<br></font><br><p><br>
+Le 6 févr. 2011 17:24, "Richard Couture" &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org">rrc@linuxcabal.org</a>&gt; a écrit&nbsp;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I posted this message a while back, but never received a response,..<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>hi richard </p>
+<p>just checked and it looks like contact washington done. anyway boklm will mail you tonight about this <br><br><br></p>
+<p>&gt; We, LinuxCabal, have our servers at CloudSigma in Switzerland. I was writing to them yesterday and mentioned that Mageia was a fork of Mandriva and that the Mageia team might benefit from server space as follows:<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;As you may know, Mandriva is in a state of flux due to financial<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;considerations and may cease to exist. &nbsp;As such, Mageia has forked<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;out by the original developers of Mandrake/Mandriva and has gathered<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;most of the original developers on the new team. &nbsp;As such they are<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;looking for places where they can set up their CVS servers as well as<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;mirror sights to host the distribution, the first version of which is<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;due in June.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;I have managed a local copy of the Mandriva Distribution here at<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;LinuxCabal for years which our users can access from our local<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;internal net to install and to update from during our weekly Install<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;Fests. &nbsp;Each version uses about 100G of disk space.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;I mention this to see if Cloud Sigma would want to host a site for<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;them. I think that it would possibly be a great source of<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;promotional advertising for you.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;If you are interested, I can put you in contact with the correct<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;people at Mageia or LinuxCabal can actually manage the sight with<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;little or no change to our present configuration.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; They responded as follows:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;In terms of Mageia, I think this sounds like an interested<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;opportunity and possibility to collaborate. Please feel free to put<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;them in touch with me in order to see how we might assist them.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This came from Robert Jenkins whose email is <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:robert@cloudsigma.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:robert@cloudsigma.com">robert@cloudsigma.com</a><br>
+&gt; Robert is in a position to donate server space.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Their service has been been excellent.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Richard<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 02/06/2011 06:25 AM, Blinov Vyacheslav wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; В �ообщении от Четверг 27 �нвар� 2011 03:17:26 автор Maarten Vanraes напи�ал:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I know -dev team doesn't exist yet, but in spite of that: some of us may be<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; needed.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Yesterday in the packaging meeting[1], misc and Stormi talked about the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; 3days they went to a Cross-Distro App Installer Meeting[2]. As far as I<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; understood, our involvement in AppStream[3] is 4 part:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- mageia-app-db would like to use the metadata to display on the site.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- sophie would like some of the metadata too.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- mageia could work on making packagekit support work (it does not replace<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; rpm or urpmi in any way, it is cross-distro and just delegates the work to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi (in our case).)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- mageia would then package AppStream in the distro. (Nothing is being<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; said as being used by default: Note that AppStream only does Applications,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; while eg: rpmdrake installs packages).<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Since this concerns mostly packaging, it has had a start-discussion in the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; packagers' meeting.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; However:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- mageia-app-db (Stormi: PHP) would like some help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- sophie (Nanar: Perl) would like some help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- packagekit support (misc: Perl) would need to be finalized.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ( requires intimate knowledge of perl-URPM )<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- someone will have to package AppStream eventually.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; afaik shikamaru would help with sophie, so i think that is covered.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; So this leaves:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- PHP for mageia-app-db<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- Perl-URPMI related stuff for packagekit support (i might have some time<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; for this, not sure yet)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Now then, if there is anyone from -dev team who is inclined to help out,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; please, tell us :-)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Maarten (aka AL13N)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [1]: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings#packaging_team">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings#packaging_team</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [2]: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110126/003418.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110126/003418.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [3]: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/MetadataNotes">http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/MetadataNotes</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I am still interested in dev team althrough I'm already in i18n.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just noticed this letter -_-<br>
+&gt;&gt; I can help with PHP development and html\css\js things, althrough I'm not a<br>
+&gt;&gt; pro I will try my best.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -- <br>
+&gt; LinuxCabal Asociación Civil<br>
+&gt; Ing. Richard Couture<br>
+&gt; Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE<br>
+&gt; HP/Compaq ASE<br>
+&gt; Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638<br>
+&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505<br>
+&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506<br>
+&gt; Web: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.LinuxCabal.org">http://www.LinuxCabal.org</a><br>
+&gt; E-Mail: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org">rrc@linuxcabal.org</a><br>
+&gt; Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.CloudSigma.com">www.CloudSigma.com</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
+</div></div>
+</div><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;</body></html>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:lucida console,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Greetings,<br>I have deep knowledge of php if I can be of help.<br>please let me know.<br><br>cheers<br>C. Roger<br></div><div style="font-family: lucida console,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Anne nicolas &lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, 6 February, 2011 5:53:34 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Dev Team Call To Action...<br></font><br><p><br>
+Le 6 févr. 2011 17:24, "Richard Couture" &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org">rrc@linuxcabal.org</a>&gt; a écrit&nbsp;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I posted this message a while back, but never received a response,..<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>hi richard </p>
+<p>just checked and it looks like contact washington done. anyway boklm will mail you tonight about this <br><br><br></p>
+<p>&gt; We, LinuxCabal, have our servers at CloudSigma in Switzerland. I was writing to them yesterday and mentioned that Mageia was a fork of Mandriva and that the Mageia team might benefit from server space as follows:<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;As you may know, Mandriva is in a state of flux due to financial<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;considerations and may cease to exist. &nbsp;As such, Mageia has forked<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;out by the original developers of Mandrake/Mandriva and has gathered<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;most of the original developers on the new team. &nbsp;As such they are<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;looking for places where they can set up their CVS servers as well as<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;mirror sights to host the distribution, the first version of which is<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;due in June.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;I have managed a local copy of the Mandriva Distribution here at<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;LinuxCabal for years which our users can access from our local<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;internal net to install and to update from during our weekly Install<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;Fests. &nbsp;Each version uses about 100G of disk space.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;I mention this to see if Cloud Sigma would want to host a site for<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;them. I think that it would possibly be a great source of<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;promotional advertising for you.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;If you are interested, I can put you in contact with the correct<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;people at Mageia or LinuxCabal can actually manage the sight with<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;little or no change to our present configuration.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; They responded as follows:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;In terms of Mageia, I think this sounds like an interested<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;opportunity and possibility to collaborate. Please feel free to put<br>
+&gt; &nbsp;them in touch with me in order to see how we might assist them.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This came from Robert Jenkins whose email is <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:robert@cloudsigma.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:robert@cloudsigma.com">robert@cloudsigma.com</a><br>
+&gt; Robert is in a position to donate server space.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Their service has been been excellent.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Richard<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 02/06/2011 06:25 AM, Blinov Vyacheslav wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; В �ообщении от Четверг 27 �нвар� 2011 03:17:26 автор Maarten Vanraes напи�ал:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I know -dev team doesn't exist yet, but in spite of that: some of us may be<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; needed.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Yesterday in the packaging meeting[1], misc and Stormi talked about the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; 3days they went to a Cross-Distro App Installer Meeting[2]. As far as I<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; understood, our involvement in AppStream[3] is 4 part:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- mageia-app-db would like to use the metadata to display on the site.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- sophie would like some of the metadata too.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- mageia could work on making packagekit support work (it does not replace<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; rpm or urpmi in any way, it is cross-distro and just delegates the work to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi (in our case).)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- mageia would then package AppStream in the distro. (Nothing is being<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; said as being used by default: Note that AppStream only does Applications,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; while eg: rpmdrake installs packages).<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Since this concerns mostly packaging, it has had a start-discussion in the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; packagers' meeting.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; However:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- mageia-app-db (Stormi: PHP) would like some help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- sophie (Nanar: Perl) would like some help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- packagekit support (misc: Perl) would need to be finalized.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ( requires intimate knowledge of perl-URPM )<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- someone will have to package AppStream eventually.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; afaik shikamaru would help with sophie, so i think that is covered.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; So this leaves:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- PHP for mageia-app-db<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;- Perl-URPMI related stuff for packagekit support (i might have some time<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; for this, not sure yet)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Now then, if there is anyone from -dev team who is inclined to help out,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; please, tell us :-)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Maarten (aka AL13N)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [1]: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings#packaging_team">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings#packaging_team</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [2]: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110126/003418.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110126/003418.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [3]: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/MetadataNotes">http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/MetadataNotes</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I am still interested in dev team althrough I'm already in i18n.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just noticed this letter -_-<br>
+&gt;&gt; I can help with PHP development and html\css\js things, althrough I'm not a<br>
+&gt;&gt; pro I will try my best.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -- <br>
+&gt; LinuxCabal Asociación Civil<br>
+&gt; Ing. Richard Couture<br>
+&gt; Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE<br>
+&gt; HP/Compaq ASE<br>
+&gt; Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638<br>
+&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505<br>
+&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506<br>
+&gt; Web: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.LinuxCabal.org">http://www.LinuxCabal.org</a><br>
+&gt; E-Mail: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org">rrc@linuxcabal.org</a><br>
+&gt; Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.CloudSigma.com">www.CloudSigma.com</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
+</div></div>
+</div><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;</body></html>
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+<p><br>
+Le 6 févr. 2011 17:24, &quot;Richard Couture&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org">rrc@linuxcabal.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I posted this message a while back, but never received a response,..<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>hi richard </p>
+<p>just checked and it looks like contact washington done. anyway boklm will mail you tonight about this <br><br><br></p>
+<p>&gt; We, LinuxCabal, have our servers at CloudSigma in Switzerland. I was writing to them yesterday and mentioned that Mageia was a fork of Mandriva and that the Mageia team might benefit from server space as follows:<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  As you may know, Mandriva is in a state of flux due to financial<br>
+&gt;  considerations and may cease to exist.  As such, Mageia has forked<br>
+&gt;  out by the original developers of Mandrake/Mandriva and has gathered<br>
+&gt;  most of the original developers on the new team.  As such they are<br>
+&gt;  looking for places where they can set up their CVS servers as well as<br>
+&gt;  mirror sights to host the distribution, the first version of which is<br>
+&gt;  due in June.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  I have managed a local copy of the Mandriva Distribution here at<br>
+&gt;  LinuxCabal for years which our users can access from our local<br>
+&gt;  internal net to install and to update from during our weekly Install<br>
+&gt;  Fests.  Each version uses about 100G of disk space.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  I mention this to see if Cloud Sigma would want to host a site for<br>
+&gt;  them. I think that it would possibly be a great source of<br>
+&gt;  promotional advertising for you.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  If you are interested, I can put you in contact with the correct<br>
+&gt;  people at Mageia or LinuxCabal can actually manage the sight with<br>
+&gt;  little or no change to our present configuration.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; They responded as follows:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  In terms of Mageia, I think this sounds like an interested<br>
+&gt;  opportunity and possibility to collaborate. Please feel free to put<br>
+&gt;  them in touch with me in order to see how we might assist them.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This came from Robert Jenkins whose email is <a href="mailto:robert@cloudsigma.com">robert@cloudsigma.com</a><br>
+&gt; Robert is in a position to donate server space.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Their service has been been excellent.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Richard<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 02/06/2011 06:25 AM, Blinov Vyacheslav wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; В �ообщении от Четверг 27 �нвар� 2011 03:17:26 автор Maarten Vanraes напи�ал:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I know -dev team doesn&#39;t exist yet, but in spite of that: some of us may be<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; needed.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Yesterday in the packaging meeting[1], misc and Stormi talked about the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; 3days they went to a Cross-Distro App Installer Meeting[2]. As far as I<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; understood, our involvement in AppStream[3] is 4 part:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - mageia-app-db would like to use the metadata to display on the site.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - sophie would like some of the metadata too.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - mageia could work on making packagekit support work (it does not replace<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; rpm or urpmi in any way, it is cross-distro and just delegates the work to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi (in our case).)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - mageia would then package AppStream in the distro. (Nothing is being<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; said as being used by default: Note that AppStream only does Applications,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; while eg: rpmdrake installs packages).<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Since this concerns mostly packaging, it has had a start-discussion in the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; packagers&#39; meeting.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; However:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - mageia-app-db (Stormi: PHP) would like some help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - sophie (Nanar: Perl) would like some help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - packagekit support (misc: Perl) would need to be finalized.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ( requires intimate knowledge of perl-URPM )<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - someone will have to package AppStream eventually.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; afaik shikamaru would help with sophie, so i think that is covered.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; So this leaves:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - PHP for mageia-app-db<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - Perl-URPMI related stuff for packagekit support (i might have some time<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; for this, not sure yet)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Now then, if there is anyone from -dev team who is inclined to help out,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; please, tell us :-)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Maarten (aka AL13N)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [1]: <a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings#packaging_team">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings#packaging_team</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [2]: <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110126/003418.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110126/003418.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [3]: <a href="http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/MetadataNotes">http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/MetadataNotes</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I am still interested in dev team althrough I&#39;m already in i18n.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just noticed this letter -_-<br>
+&gt;&gt; I can help with PHP development and html\css\js things, althrough I&#39;m not a<br>
+&gt;&gt; pro I will try my best.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -- <br>
+&gt; LinuxCabal Asociación Civil<br>
+&gt; Ing. Richard Couture<br>
+&gt; Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE<br>
+&gt; HP/Compaq ASE<br>
+&gt; Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638<br>
+&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505<br>
+&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506<br>
+&gt; Web: <a href="http://www.LinuxCabal.org">http://www.LinuxCabal.org</a><br>
+&gt; E-Mail: <a href="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org">rrc@linuxcabal.org</a><br>
+&gt; Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - <a href="http://www.CloudSigma.com">www.CloudSigma.com</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 6 févr. 2011 17:24, &quot;Richard Couture&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rrc@linuxcabal.org">rrc@linuxcabal.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I posted this message a while back, but never received a response,..<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>hi richard </p>
+<p>just checked and it looks like contact washington done. anyway boklm will mail you tonight about this <br><br><br></p>
+<p>&gt; We, LinuxCabal, have our servers at CloudSigma in Switzerland. I was writing to them yesterday and mentioned that Mageia was a fork of Mandriva and that the Mageia team might benefit from server space as follows:<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  As you may know, Mandriva is in a state of flux due to financial<br>
+&gt;  considerations and may cease to exist.  As such, Mageia has forked<br>
+&gt;  out by the original developers of Mandrake/Mandriva and has gathered<br>
+&gt;  most of the original developers on the new team.  As such they are<br>
+&gt;  looking for places where they can set up their CVS servers as well as<br>
+&gt;  mirror sights to host the distribution, the first version of which is<br>
+&gt;  due in June.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  I have managed a local copy of the Mandriva Distribution here at<br>
+&gt;  LinuxCabal for years which our users can access from our local<br>
+&gt;  internal net to install and to update from during our weekly Install<br>
+&gt;  Fests.  Each version uses about 100G of disk space.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  I mention this to see if Cloud Sigma would want to host a site for<br>
+&gt;  them. I think that it would possibly be a great source of<br>
+&gt;  promotional advertising for you.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  If you are interested, I can put you in contact with the correct<br>
+&gt;  people at Mageia or LinuxCabal can actually manage the sight with<br>
+&gt;  little or no change to our present configuration.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; They responded as follows:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  In terms of Mageia, I think this sounds like an interested<br>
+&gt;  opportunity and possibility to collaborate. Please feel free to put<br>
+&gt;  them in touch with me in order to see how we might assist them.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This came from Robert Jenkins whose email is <a href="mailto:robert@cloudsigma.com">robert@cloudsigma.com</a><br>
+&gt; Robert is in a position to donate server space.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Their service has been been excellent.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Richard<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 02/06/2011 06:25 AM, Blinov Vyacheslav wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; В �ообщении от Четверг 27 �нвар� 2011 03:17:26 автор Maarten Vanraes напи�ал:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I know -dev team doesn&#39;t exist yet, but in spite of that: some of us may be<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; needed.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Yesterday in the packaging meeting[1], misc and Stormi talked about the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; 3days they went to a Cross-Distro App Installer Meeting[2]. As far as I<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; understood, our involvement in AppStream[3] is 4 part:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - mageia-app-db would like to use the metadata to display on the site.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - sophie would like some of the metadata too.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - mageia could work on making packagekit support work (it does not replace<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; rpm or urpmi in any way, it is cross-distro and just delegates the work to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi (in our case).)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - mageia would then package AppStream in the distro. (Nothing is being<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; said as being used by default: Note that AppStream only does Applications,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; while eg: rpmdrake installs packages).<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Since this concerns mostly packaging, it has had a start-discussion in the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; packagers&#39; meeting.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; However:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - mageia-app-db (Stormi: PHP) would like some help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - sophie (Nanar: Perl) would like some help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - packagekit support (misc: Perl) would need to be finalized.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ( requires intimate knowledge of perl-URPM )<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - someone will have to package AppStream eventually.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; afaik shikamaru would help with sophie, so i think that is covered.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; So this leaves:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - PHP for mageia-app-db<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;  - Perl-URPMI related stuff for packagekit support (i might have some time<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; for this, not sure yet)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Now then, if there is anyone from -dev team who is inclined to help out,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; please, tell us :-)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Maarten (aka AL13N)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [1]: <a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings#packaging_team">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings#packaging_team</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [2]: <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110126/003418.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110126/003418.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [3]: <a href="http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/MetadataNotes">http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/MetadataNotes</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I am still interested in dev team althrough I&#39;m already in i18n.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just noticed this letter -_-<br>
+&gt;&gt; I can help with PHP development and html\css\js things, althrough I&#39;m not a<br>
+&gt;&gt; pro I will try my best.<br>
+&gt;<br>
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110207/583322da/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110207/583322da/attachment-0001.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 07/02/2011 00:11, Christophe Fergeau a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTin=2n=vgzxiAFuW5r=60Te5gOkjKZY50Cgh+YoL@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">During a discussion on IRC, I realized that glib 1.2 had been imported
+in the svn repository <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/glib/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/glib/</a>
+This library has been obsolete for years now, and I'm not sure at all
+there is any "interesting" app still needing it. I'd really recommend
+trying hard to keep glib 1.2 away from the repository to avoid having
+really old and obsolete packages that noone will use anyway. This
+would probably save some maintainance time to some people.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font size="-1"><tt>I'm enterely agree with you, glib 1.2 is
+        obsoletes and useless.</tt></font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 07/02/2011 00:11, Christophe Fergeau a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTin=2n=vgzxiAFuW5r=60Te5gOkjKZY50Cgh+YoL@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">During a discussion on IRC, I realized that glib 1.2 had been imported
+in the svn repository <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/glib/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/glib/</a>
+This library has been obsolete for years now, and I'm not sure at all
+there is any "interesting" app still needing it. I'd really recommend
+trying hard to keep glib 1.2 away from the repository to avoid having
+really old and obsolete packages that noone will use anyway. This
+would probably save some maintainance time to some people.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font size="-1"><tt>I'm enterely agree with you, glib 1.2 is
+        obsoletes and useless.</tt></font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110208/35d7df18/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110208/35d7df18/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 17:08, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div><div class="h5">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (find / xmlrpc.inc gives nothing)<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>&gt; So the question is : which package provides &#39;xmlrpc.inc&#39; ?<br>$ urpmf &#39;/xmlrpc\.inc&#39;<br>
+mmc-web-base:/usr/share/mmc/includes/xmlrpc.inc.php<br>
+tikiwiki:/usr/share/tikiwiki/lib/xmlrpc.inc<br>
+drupal:/var/www/drupal/includes/xmlrpc.inc<br>
+drupal:/var/www/drupal/includes/xmlrpc.inc<br>
+<br>
+so I think nothing provides it, or it is some kind of file that is cut<br>
+and paste everywhere.<br>
+<br>
+IIRC, xml rpc on php is kinda painful and too low level<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>Ok. But I have none of those files.<br>Is there no way to know how it comes that my script works on my system ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 17:08, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div><div class="h5">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (find / xmlrpc.inc gives nothing)<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>&gt; So the question is : which package provides &#39;xmlrpc.inc&#39; ?<br>$ urpmf &#39;/xmlrpc\.inc&#39;<br>
+mmc-web-base:/usr/share/mmc/includes/xmlrpc.inc.php<br>
+tikiwiki:/usr/share/tikiwiki/lib/xmlrpc.inc<br>
+drupal:/var/www/drupal/includes/xmlrpc.inc<br>
+drupal:/var/www/drupal/includes/xmlrpc.inc<br>
+<br>
+so I think nothing provides it, or it is some kind of file that is cut<br>
+and paste everywhere.<br>
+<br>
+IIRC, xml rpc on php is kinda painful and too low level<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>Ok. But I have none of those files.<br>Is there no way to know how it comes that my script works on my system ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<?php
+
+require_once('xmlrpc.inc');
+
+# prepare the call parameters
+$server = "http://sophie2.aero.jussieu.fr/rpc";
+
+$method = "rpms.info";
+
+$pkgid = $_SERVER['argv'][1];
+# the Sophie pkgid of a package must be given at the command line
+# example : $ php sophieinfo.php 4727e94730113216e19d04592bbc4cec
+
+$parameters =  new xmlrpcval("$pkgid")  ;
+
+print_r($server);
+print_r("\n");
+print_r($method);
+print_r("\n");
+
+print_r($parameters);
+print_r("\n");
+
+$message = new xmlrpcmsg($method, array($parameters));
+
+# create the client, telling it which server to call
+$client = new xmlrpc_client($server);
+# (eventually) set options of the client
+$client->setDebug(2);
+
+# ask the client to send the message to the server
+$response = $client->send($message);
+
+# handle the response
+if (!$response->faultCode()) {
+		print "<HR>I got this value back<BR><PRE>" .
+		htmlentities($response->serialize()). "</PRE><HR>\n";
+} else {
+      print "Fault <BR>";
+      print "Code: " . htmlentities($response->faultCode()) . "<BR>" .
+            "Reason: '" . htmlentities($response->faultString()) . "'<BR>";
+}
+
+?>
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+<?php
+
+require_once('xmlrpc.inc');
+
+# prepare the call parameters
+$server = "http://sophie2.aero.jussieu.fr/rpc";
+
+$method = "rpms.info";
+
+$pkgid = $_SERVER['argv'][1];
+# the Sophie pkgid of a package must be given at the command line
+# example : $ php sophieinfo.php 4727e94730113216e19d04592bbc4cec
+
+$parameters =  new xmlrpcval("$pkgid")  ;
+
+print_r($server);
+print_r("\n");
+print_r($method);
+print_r("\n");
+
+print_r($parameters);
+print_r("\n");
+
+$message = new xmlrpcmsg($method, array($parameters));
+
+# create the client, telling it which server to call
+$client = new xmlrpc_client($server);
+# (eventually) set options of the client
+$client->setDebug(2);
+
+# ask the client to send the message to the server
+$response = $client->send($message);
+
+# handle the response
+if (!$response->faultCode()) {
+		print "<HR>I got this value back<BR><PRE>" .
+		htmlentities($response->serialize()). "</PRE><HR>\n";
+} else {
+      print "Fault <BR>";
+      print "Code: " . htmlentities($response->faultCode()) . "<BR>" .
+            "Reason: '" . htmlentities($response->faultString()) . "'<BR>";
+}
+
+?>
\ No newline at end of file
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+Hello,<br><br>i&#39;ve installed Mageia Alpha1 in Virtual Box 4.0.2 for now. What i dislike at the installer is, that i can&#39;t choose on which hard-drive to install the bootloader, or is it just disabled when having only one hard drive?<br>
+<br>Because when i want to install Mageia on my old Notebook, I need to install it on a external 2,5&quot; hard drive because my cd-rom drive doesn&#39;t work anymore, and when he installes the bootloader on the wrong hard drive that would be quit bad.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>i&#39;ve installed Mageia Alpha1 in Virtual Box 4.0.2 for now. What i dislike at the installer is, that i can&#39;t choose on which hard-drive to install the bootloader, or is it just disabled when having only one hard drive?<br>
+<br>Because when i want to install Mageia on my old Notebook, I need to install it on a external 2,5&quot; hard drive because my cd-rom drive doesn&#39;t work anymore, and when he installes the bootloader on the wrong hard drive that would be quit bad.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+IIRC you can select where GRUB gets installed from the &quot;Summary&quot; page<br>
+in the installer, i.e. the bootloader isn&#39;t installed before you pass<br>
+this page IIRC.<br>
+<br>
+P.S. you don&#39;t need to add [mageia-dev] manually to the subject, the<br>
+ML does that automatically for you.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Ok thanks for the information.<br><br>Mageia Installer is quite nice, I&#39;m installing it on my external hard drive now and he recognized that i installed it on /dev/sdb and wants to install the bootloader on that drive (which is the correct one).<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+IIRC you can select where GRUB gets installed from the &quot;Summary&quot; page<br>
+in the installer, i.e. the bootloader isn&#39;t installed before you pass<br>
+this page IIRC.<br>
+<br>
+P.S. you don&#39;t need to add [mageia-dev] manually to the subject, the<br>
+ML does that automatically for you.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Ok thanks for the information.<br><br>Mageia Installer is quite nice, I&#39;m installing it on my external hard drive now and he recognized that i installed it on /dev/sdb and wants to install the bootloader on that drive (which is the correct one).<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/">https://bugs.mageia.org/</a><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+When adding things to the errata page at <div><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:alpha1_errata">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:alpha1_errata</a> </div><div>wouldn&#39;t it be good to add a link to the bug report in question?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I was just searching for the bugreport about the broken theme because</div><div>I&#39;d like to add something to it...</div><div><br></div><div>Oliver</div>
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+<div><br></div><div>I was just searching for the bugreport about the broken theme because</div><div>I&#39;d like to add something to it...</div><div><br></div><div>Oliver</div>
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+      <pre>&gt;<i> Long time ago, iPIX, a company from USA muliplied patent lawsuit against
+</i>&gt;<i> these free algorythms inventor and photographers using them (this
+</i>&gt;<i> company is now dead because of bankruptcy but the patent problem is
+</i>&gt;<i> still live... )
+</i>
+Well, who own the patents now ?
+
+</pre>
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+    I don't know who owns this particular patent from iPIX:<br>
+    Sony (larvatus prodiens, i e anymously ) baught 28 patents&nbsp; in 2007<br>
+    Minds-Eyes-View won the auction for the remaining (trademark,
+    softwares etc...)<br>
+    <br>
+    But this doesn't solve the more global problem of rpms with patent
+    problems (how to have them clearly&nbsp; built and identified : need
+    different suffixes ?)<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+      <pre>&gt;<i> Long time ago, iPIX, a company from USA muliplied patent lawsuit against
+</i>&gt;<i> these free algorythms inventor and photographers using them (this
+</i>&gt;<i> company is now dead because of bankruptcy but the patent problem is
+</i>&gt;<i> still live... )
+</i>
+Well, who own the patents now ?
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I don't know who owns this particular patent from iPIX:<br>
+    Sony (larvatus prodiens, i e anymously ) baught 28 patents&nbsp; in 2007<br>
+    Minds-Eyes-View won the auction for the remaining (trademark,
+    softwares etc...)<br>
+    <br>
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+    <br>
+  </body>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">Michael Scherer wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.<br>
+&gt;<br></div></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;ve had issues in the past because Linux considered LVM just one logical disk and I think the average user would eventually have the same problem as well.  I think moving to LVM as the default will create too many complaints and support requests in the end.<br>
+<br>A long time ago I had a system with 6 SCSI disks, each 1.2GB.  The system was fairly useless with the single disks, but using LVM I had 1 disk of reasonable size.  I ran the system for about a year with no problems, but then 1 of the disks failed.  Normally this would be a medium inconvenience, because I would just have to restore the files from that one drive to another drive. However, with the LVM, I lost the ability to read the entire LVM.  I had to restore the entire system, which was a much bigger pain.  I also could not obtain a disk of the same small size for a reasonable price, which I was told would make the problem even bigger.<br>
+<br>If I had used some redundancy, then I might have been able to restore the one disk, but I was a novice user and didn&#39;t understand the need.  I think that most users who use the defaults and probably novice users, or at least will be after Mageia takes off.  I think LVM support is a must, but I think making it the default, without also making some redundancy the default, will cause more problems than it solves.  <br>
+<br>--Jeff<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">Michael Scherer wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk.<br>
+&gt;<br></div></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;ve had issues in the past because Linux considered LVM just one logical disk and I think the average user would eventually have the same problem as well.  I think moving to LVM as the default will create too many complaints and support requests in the end.<br>
+<br>A long time ago I had a system with 6 SCSI disks, each 1.2GB.  The system was fairly useless with the single disks, but using LVM I had 1 disk of reasonable size.  I ran the system for about a year with no problems, but then 1 of the disks failed.  Normally this would be a medium inconvenience, because I would just have to restore the files from that one drive to another drive. However, with the LVM, I lost the ability to read the entire LVM.  I had to restore the entire system, which was a much bigger pain.  I also could not obtain a disk of the same small size for a reasonable price, which I was told would make the problem even bigger.<br>
+<br>If I had used some redundancy, then I might have been able to restore the one disk, but I was a novice user and didn&#39;t understand the need.  I think that most users who use the defaults and probably novice users, or at least will be after Mageia takes off.  I think LVM support is a must, but I think making it the default, without also making some redundancy the default, will cause more problems than it solves.  <br>
+<br>--Jeff<br>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/26 Remy CLOUARD <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org">shikamaru@mandriva.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi, you may have or may not have seen it, we plan to do a test day today<br>
+for mageia alpha 1 iso.<br>
+ The plan is to test both install and upgrade from mandriva 2010.1.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I think we&#39;ve achieved some results :</div><div>- IRC is effective for support (we already knew it), thanks to people joining in #mageia-dev and #mageia-qa :-)</div>
+<div>- after packager meeting, blog and ML have been used to let know a test-day was happening, well on short notice indeed :-) next test-day  will have to be announced sooner</div><div>- documentation currently available for testing can be used afterwards</div>
+<div>- IRC chan made some support, though feedback was not formalized :/ (bugs opened ? mails ?)</div><div>- so, the experience may be worth to do again a bit before alpha2 is published, so that blockers are identified (non-working situation or critical bug that may have been overlooked). We may review this at next packager meeting ?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>What worked:</div><div>- some people came, even for an alpha1</div><div>- documentation / check-list is available from <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_test-day">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_test-day</a></div>
+<div>- support is effective when questions are asked</div><div><br></div><div>What can be enhanced:</div><div>- we may announce sooner, so that people have time to prepare (download iso, suggest additions to test-plan)</div>
+<div>- matrix results? this would show what works, what has been tested and identify new tests</div><div>- identify availabilities along the day (for example, I was only there from 0h42 UTC till 2:00 then 12:00 - 18:00 UTC)</div>
+<div>- do not be shy: just ask on irc #mageia-dev or #mageia-qa, you&#39;ll get an answer even if you do not see much activity :)</div><div>- even though there&#39;s a dedicated test-day, testing is part of the dev process, do not hesitate to ask on IRC or ML when something unexpectedly works or (perhaps) does not :-) IMHO, there are many people there for help, just ask, you may get an answer ;-)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>AFAIC, I began testing upgrading from 2010.2 to cauldron in VirtualBox, see <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/TestingMageia1Upgrade20102">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/TestingMageia1Upgrade20102</a></div>
+<div>It worked well, better than I expected as it only took 3 hours to upgrade instead of the usual 4h. Some mdv packages remain as expected, above expectation is that libreoffice is operational (and replaces completely <a href="http://openoffice.org">openoffice.org</a>), as you may see I&#39;ve got some bugs to be opened after checking if they are not already there :) (see the wiki page for detail).</div>
+<div>BTW, maybe hwreport can be packaged immediately as a simple rebuild worked for me (I can maintain the package if needed), see <a href="http://hardware4linux.info/distrib/44407/">http://hardware4linux.info/distrib/44407/</a> (though next step will be hardware testing, instead of a virtualbox installation). I&#39;ll test with smolt in the following days ;-)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks damsweb, tmb and ali3n, ahmad78 - and all others I may have forgetten - for quick answers :) and thanks to all that got involved in this test day (let us know what you achieved, could not do, even if you were at swimming-pool on this specific day :p). Rendez-vous for preparing alpha2, see <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso_1_specifications">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso_1_specifications</a> for a tentative planning, if all^Was many of you get involved, we&#39;re planning for the best :)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Looking for next test-day ;-) (and do not hesitate for day to day questions on irc relating to triage, documentation...).</div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/26 Remy CLOUARD <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org">shikamaru@mandriva.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi, you may have or may not have seen it, we plan to do a test day today<br>
+for mageia alpha 1 iso.<br>
+ The plan is to test both install and upgrade from mandriva 2010.1.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I think we&#39;ve achieved some results :</div><div>- IRC is effective for support (we already knew it), thanks to people joining in #mageia-dev and #mageia-qa :-)</div>
+<div>- after packager meeting, blog and ML have been used to let know a test-day was happening, well on short notice indeed :-) next test-day  will have to be announced sooner</div><div>- documentation currently available for testing can be used afterwards</div>
+<div>- IRC chan made some support, though feedback was not formalized :/ (bugs opened ? mails ?)</div><div>- so, the experience may be worth to do again a bit before alpha2 is published, so that blockers are identified (non-working situation or critical bug that may have been overlooked). We may review this at next packager meeting ?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>What worked:</div><div>- some people came, even for an alpha1</div><div>- documentation / check-list is available from <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_test-day">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_test-day</a></div>
+<div>- support is effective when questions are asked</div><div><br></div><div>What can be enhanced:</div><div>- we may announce sooner, so that people have time to prepare (download iso, suggest additions to test-plan)</div>
+<div>- matrix results? this would show what works, what has been tested and identify new tests</div><div>- identify availabilities along the day (for example, I was only there from 0h42 UTC till 2:00 then 12:00 - 18:00 UTC)</div>
+<div>- do not be shy: just ask on irc #mageia-dev or #mageia-qa, you&#39;ll get an answer even if you do not see much activity :)</div><div>- even though there&#39;s a dedicated test-day, testing is part of the dev process, do not hesitate to ask on IRC or ML when something unexpectedly works or (perhaps) does not :-) IMHO, there are many people there for help, just ask, you may get an answer ;-)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>AFAIC, I began testing upgrading from 2010.2 to cauldron in VirtualBox, see <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/TestingMageia1Upgrade20102">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/TestingMageia1Upgrade20102</a></div>
+<div>It worked well, better than I expected as it only took 3 hours to upgrade instead of the usual 4h. Some mdv packages remain as expected, above expectation is that libreoffice is operational (and replaces completely <a href="http://openoffice.org">openoffice.org</a>), as you may see I&#39;ve got some bugs to be opened after checking if they are not already there :) (see the wiki page for detail).</div>
+<div>BTW, maybe hwreport can be packaged immediately as a simple rebuild worked for me (I can maintain the package if needed), see <a href="http://hardware4linux.info/distrib/44407/">http://hardware4linux.info/distrib/44407/</a> (though next step will be hardware testing, instead of a virtualbox installation). I&#39;ll test with smolt in the following days ;-)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks damsweb, tmb and ali3n, ahmad78 - and all others I may have forgetten - for quick answers :) and thanks to all that got involved in this test day (let us know what you achieved, could not do, even if you were at swimming-pool on this specific day :p). Rendez-vous for preparing alpha2, see <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso_1_specifications">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso_1_specifications</a> for a tentative planning, if all^Was many of you get involved, we&#39;re planning for the best :)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Looking for next test-day ;-) (and do not hesitate for day to day questions on irc relating to triage, documentation...).</div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mardi 1 mars 2011 19:52:18 Ahmad Samir, vous avez écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; At the moment when a new bug report is filed bugzilla adds the string</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &quot;New:&quot; to the subject line of the email, this is removed in subsequent</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; emails (once the bug is not new any more, i.e. more comments were</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; added... etc).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is a sort of an unofficial poll about how many people out there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; find this useful (or not).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hello,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">C'est parce que la vitesse de la lumière est supérieure à celle du son, que certains ont l'air brillant avant d'avoir l'air con.</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; emails (once the bug is not new any more, i.e. more comments were</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; added... etc).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is a sort of an unofficial poll about how many people out there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; find this useful (or not).</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I use it but it is not an absolute necessity ;-)</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/4 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m working on next isos for alpha2. Here is content I have for now:<br>
+<a href="http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq</a><br>
+<br>
+Please have a look an check what could be missing as important<br>
+packages and we will see how we can deal with it<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Doesn&#39;t LibreOffice have translations?</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/4 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m working on next isos for alpha2. Here is content I have for now:<br>
+<a href="http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/ekj2HVLq</a><br>
+<br>
+Please have a look an check what could be missing as important<br>
+packages and we will see how we can deal with it<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Doesn&#39;t LibreOffice have translations?</div><div><br></div>
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+<p><br>
+Le 5 mars 2011 03:02, &quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 23:29:55 schreef Dexter Morgan:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Maarten Vanraes<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 22:30:03 schreef Thomas Backlund:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Please add:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; btfrs-progs<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; And then there is the question of firmwares in nonfree<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I guess we need to add them so people can get network access.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; should some parts of installer have dependency on btrfs-progs? diskdrake<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; for instance?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; iirc this will be needed later when btrfs will be provided which<br>
+&gt; &gt; filesystem checks and need on normal part of the installer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; iinm, btrfs is on the advanced list of installable filesystems, that&#39;s why i<br>
+&gt; asked if there had to be a dependency? afaik diskdrake at the very least needs<br>
+&gt; to know how to mkfs ? (but i could be wrong)</p>
+<p>could we please focus on initial subjectifs and open new threads for bugs</p>
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+Le 5 mars 2011 03:02, &quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 23:29:55 schreef Dexter Morgan:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Maarten Vanraes<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 04 maart 2011 22:30:03 schreef Thomas Backlund:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Please add:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; btfrs-progs<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; And then there is the question of firmwares in nonfree<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I guess we need to add them so people can get network access.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; should some parts of installer have dependency on btrfs-progs? diskdrake<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; for instance?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; iirc this will be needed later when btrfs will be provided which<br>
+&gt; &gt; filesystem checks and need on normal part of the installer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; iinm, btrfs is on the advanced list of installable filesystems, that&#39;s why i<br>
+&gt; asked if there had to be a dependency? afaik diskdrake at the very least needs<br>
+&gt; to know how to mkfs ? (but i could be wrong)</p>
+<p>could we please focus on initial subjectifs and open new threads for bugs</p>
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+[   531.812] 
+X.Org X Server 1.10.0
+Release Date: 2011-2-25
+[   531.816] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[   531.816] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.33.7-server-2.2mnb Mandriva
+[   531.816] Current Operating System: Linux localhost 2.6.37.2-desktop-1.mga #1 SMP Sat Feb 26 01:38:11 UTC 2011 i686
+[   531.818] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=6ed93fd7-2abe-4df5-b0bb-c58c92ec664d resume=UUID=de5ea344-86a7-4162-8107-14624357637c splash=silent vga=788
+[   531.819] Build Date: 04 March 2011  08:59:37PM
+[   531.820]  
+[   531.820] Current version of pixman: 0.20.2
+[   531.821] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[   531.821] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+[   531.824] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Mar  6 11:40:24 2011
+[   531.824] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+[   531.824] (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[   531.824] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[   531.824] (==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
+[   531.824] (**) |-->Screen "Screen[0]" (0)
+[   531.824] (**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor[0]"
+[   531.824] (**) |   |-->Device "Device[0]"
+[   531.829] (**) Option "DontZap" "False"
+[   531.829] (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
+[   531.829] (==) Automatically adding devices
+[   531.829] (==) Automatically enabling devices
+[   531.829] (==) FontPath set to:
+	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
+[   531.829] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
+[   531.829] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[   531.829] (II) Loader magic: 0x8235dc0
+[   531.829] (II) Module ABI versions:
+[   531.829] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
+[   531.829] 	X.Org Video Driver: 10.0
+[   531.829] 	X.Org XInput driver : 12.2
+[   531.829] 	X.Org Server Extension : 5.0
+[   531.836] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 80ee:beef:0000:0000 rev 0, Mem @ 0xe0000000/134217728
+[   531.837] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
+[   531.837] (II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) LoadModule: "v4l"
+[   531.838] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
+[   531.839] (II) Module v4l: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.839] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 0.1.1
+[   531.839] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[   531.839] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
+[   531.839] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
+[   531.839] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.839] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.0.0
+[   531.839] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[   531.839] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension DPMS
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension XVideo
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
+[   531.839] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
+[   531.839] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
+[   531.839] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.839] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.0.0
+[   531.839] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[   531.839] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
+[   531.839] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
+[   531.841] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+[   531.841] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.841] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.0.0
+[   531.841] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.841] (==) AIGLX enabled
+[   531.841] (II) Loading extension GLX
+[   531.841] (II) LoadModule: "record"
+[   531.841] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
+[   531.841] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.841] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.13.0
+[   531.841] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[   531.841] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.843] (II) Loading extension RECORD
+[   531.843] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
+[   531.843] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[   531.843] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.843] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.0.0
+[   531.843] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.843] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[   531.843] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[   531.843] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[   531.843] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.843] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.2.0
+[   531.843] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.843] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[   531.843] (II) LoadModule: "vboxvideo"
+[   531.846] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vboxvideo_drv.so
+[   531.846] (II) Module vboxvideo: vendor="Oracle Corporation"
+[   531.846] 	compiled for 1.5.99.901, module version = 1.0.1
+[   531.846] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[   531.846] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 9.0
+[   531.846] (EE) module ABI major version (9) doesn't match the server's version (10)
+[   531.848] (II) UnloadModule: "vboxvideo"
+[   531.848] (II) Unloading vboxvideo
+[   531.848] (EE) Failed to load module "vboxvideo" (module requirement mismatch, 0)
+[   531.850] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[   531.851] (--) using VT number 8
+
+[   531.853] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[   531.853] (EE) No devices detected.
+[   531.853] 
+Fatal server error:
+[   531.853] no screens found
+[   531.853] 
+Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support 
+	 at http://bugs.mageia.org
+ for help. 
+[   531.853] Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information.
+[   531.853] 
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..106f0555e
--- /dev/null
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@@ -0,0 +1,121 @@
+[   531.812] 
+X.Org X Server 1.10.0
+Release Date: 2011-2-25
+[   531.816] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[   531.816] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.33.7-server-2.2mnb Mandriva
+[   531.816] Current Operating System: Linux localhost 2.6.37.2-desktop-1.mga #1 SMP Sat Feb 26 01:38:11 UTC 2011 i686
+[   531.818] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=6ed93fd7-2abe-4df5-b0bb-c58c92ec664d resume=UUID=de5ea344-86a7-4162-8107-14624357637c splash=silent vga=788
+[   531.819] Build Date: 04 March 2011  08:59:37PM
+[   531.820]  
+[   531.820] Current version of pixman: 0.20.2
+[   531.821] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[   531.821] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+[   531.824] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Mar  6 11:40:24 2011
+[   531.824] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+[   531.824] (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[   531.824] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[   531.824] (==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
+[   531.824] (**) |-->Screen "Screen[0]" (0)
+[   531.824] (**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor[0]"
+[   531.824] (**) |   |-->Device "Device[0]"
+[   531.829] (**) Option "DontZap" "False"
+[   531.829] (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
+[   531.829] (==) Automatically adding devices
+[   531.829] (==) Automatically enabling devices
+[   531.829] (==) FontPath set to:
+	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
+[   531.829] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
+[   531.829] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[   531.829] (II) Loader magic: 0x8235dc0
+[   531.829] (II) Module ABI versions:
+[   531.829] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
+[   531.829] 	X.Org Video Driver: 10.0
+[   531.829] 	X.Org XInput driver : 12.2
+[   531.829] 	X.Org Server Extension : 5.0
+[   531.836] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 80ee:beef:0000:0000 rev 0, Mem @ 0xe0000000/134217728
+[   531.837] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
+[   531.837] (II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.
+[   531.837] (II) LoadModule: "v4l"
+[   531.838] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
+[   531.839] (II) Module v4l: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.839] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 0.1.1
+[   531.839] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[   531.839] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
+[   531.839] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
+[   531.839] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.839] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.0.0
+[   531.839] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[   531.839] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension DPMS
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension XVideo
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
+[   531.839] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
+[   531.839] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
+[   531.839] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.839] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.0.0
+[   531.839] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[   531.839] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.839] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
+[   531.839] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
+[   531.841] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+[   531.841] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.841] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.0.0
+[   531.841] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.841] (==) AIGLX enabled
+[   531.841] (II) Loading extension GLX
+[   531.841] (II) LoadModule: "record"
+[   531.841] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
+[   531.841] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.841] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.13.0
+[   531.841] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[   531.841] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.843] (II) Loading extension RECORD
+[   531.843] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
+[   531.843] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[   531.843] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.843] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.0.0
+[   531.843] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.843] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[   531.843] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[   531.843] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[   531.843] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[   531.843] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 1.2.0
+[   531.843] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[   531.843] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[   531.843] (II) LoadModule: "vboxvideo"
+[   531.846] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vboxvideo_drv.so
+[   531.846] (II) Module vboxvideo: vendor="Oracle Corporation"
+[   531.846] 	compiled for 1.5.99.901, module version = 1.0.1
+[   531.846] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[   531.846] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 9.0
+[   531.846] (EE) module ABI major version (9) doesn't match the server's version (10)
+[   531.848] (II) UnloadModule: "vboxvideo"
+[   531.848] (II) Unloading vboxvideo
+[   531.848] (EE) Failed to load module "vboxvideo" (module requirement mismatch, 0)
+[   531.850] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[   531.851] (--) using VT number 8
+
+[   531.853] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[   531.853] (EE) No devices detected.
+[   531.853] 
+Fatal server error:
+[   531.853] no screens found
+[   531.853] 
+Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support 
+	 at http://bugs.mageia.org
+ for help. 
+[   531.853] Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information.
+[   531.853] 
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..dd2c4bef0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110309/23e5e7db/attachment-0001.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,50 @@
+Index: missing-deps.sh
+===================================================================
+--- missing-deps.sh	(révision 1300)
++++ missing-deps.sh	(copie de travail)
+@@ -18,8 +18,43 @@
+ 	d="${repo}/${arch}"
+ 	urpmf --requires --use-distrib $d : | cut -d: -f2- | sed 's/\[.*//' | sort -u | xargs urpmq -p --use-distrib $d 2>&1 >/dev/null | sed -n 's/No package named //p'
+ }
+-
++requirelist() {
++		arch=$1
++		      d="${repo}/${arch}"
++				urpmf --requires --use-distrib $d : 
++			}
++getsrpm() {
++		arch=$1
++		rpm=$2
++		deps=$3
++		   d="${repo}/${arch}"
++				echo "$rpm from" $(urpmf --sourcerpm --use-distrib $d $rpm |cut -d: -f2|sort -u) "is missing $deps"
++		      }
+ for arch in i586 x86_64
+-do
++	do
+ 	missing $arch > missing-deps.$arch.txt
++	requirelist $arch > listing.$arch.txt
++	 if [ -a list.$arch.txt ]
++		then rm  list.$arch.txt
++	 fi
++	for deps in $(cat missing-deps.$arch.txt)
++		  do
++		  grep -w $deps  listing.$arch.txt |sort -u >> list.$arch.txt
++	done
++	if [ -a final.$arch.list ]
++		then rm final.$arch.list
++	fi
++
++	for list in $(cat list.$arch.txt|sed 's/\[.*//')
++		  do
++		  rpm=`echo $list|cut -d: -f1`
++		  deps=`echo $list|cut -d: -f2-`
++		  getsrpm $arch $rpm $deps >> final.$arch.list
++		  
++	done
++	cat final.$arch.list |sort -u >| final.$arch.txt
++	rm final.$arch.list
++	rm listing.$arch.txt
++	rm list.$arch.txt
++	rm missing-deps.$arch.txt
+ done
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110309/23e5e7db/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110309/23e5e7db/attachment.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..dd2c4bef0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110309/23e5e7db/attachment.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,50 @@
+Index: missing-deps.sh
+===================================================================
+--- missing-deps.sh	(révision 1300)
++++ missing-deps.sh	(copie de travail)
+@@ -18,8 +18,43 @@
+ 	d="${repo}/${arch}"
+ 	urpmf --requires --use-distrib $d : | cut -d: -f2- | sed 's/\[.*//' | sort -u | xargs urpmq -p --use-distrib $d 2>&1 >/dev/null | sed -n 's/No package named //p'
+ }
+-
++requirelist() {
++		arch=$1
++		      d="${repo}/${arch}"
++				urpmf --requires --use-distrib $d : 
++			}
++getsrpm() {
++		arch=$1
++		rpm=$2
++		deps=$3
++		   d="${repo}/${arch}"
++				echo "$rpm from" $(urpmf --sourcerpm --use-distrib $d $rpm |cut -d: -f2|sort -u) "is missing $deps"
++		      }
+ for arch in i586 x86_64
+-do
++	do
+ 	missing $arch > missing-deps.$arch.txt
++	requirelist $arch > listing.$arch.txt
++	 if [ -a list.$arch.txt ]
++		then rm  list.$arch.txt
++	 fi
++	for deps in $(cat missing-deps.$arch.txt)
++		  do
++		  grep -w $deps  listing.$arch.txt |sort -u >> list.$arch.txt
++	done
++	if [ -a final.$arch.list ]
++		then rm final.$arch.list
++	fi
++
++	for list in $(cat list.$arch.txt|sed 's/\[.*//')
++		  do
++		  rpm=`echo $list|cut -d: -f1`
++		  deps=`echo $list|cut -d: -f2-`
++		  getsrpm $arch $rpm $deps >> final.$arch.list
++		  
++	done
++	cat final.$arch.list |sort -u >| final.$arch.txt
++	rm final.$arch.list
++	rm listing.$arch.txt
++	rm list.$arch.txt
++	rm missing-deps.$arch.txt
+ done
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/10 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+There was already a discussion about that in the alpha2 iso thread but I think<br>
+it&#39;s better to discuss this in a thread of its own.<br>
+<br>
+Most people &quot;voted&quot; for smplayer in the other thread, which would be fine with<br>
+me. It&#39;s qt based (nothing against gtk, but using a gtk based application as<br>
+default in kde is just weird. try to do it the other way arround and you&#39;ll be<br>
+lynched by gnome fans), its backend mplayer is a powerfull player.<br>
+But: I&#39;m having a strange thing about it on my Mageia box: I start it, I open<br>
+an ogg file, I play it. I close smplayer, start it again and it won&#39;t play the<br>
+same ogg file anymore. I close smplayer again rm ~/.config/smplayer start it<br>
+again, it plays my file and so on. Anybody else having the same thing? Is it a<br>
+bug or just pebcak?<br>
+<br>
+Others preffered dragon player, which is KDE&#39;s default. We could but I don&#39;t<br>
+really like it, since it&#39;s a bit too simplistic in my eyes.<br>
+<br>
+I personally prefer kaffeine. It&#39;s working just fine for me, has many more<br>
+options then dragon player. But some of you told it&#39;s not stable enough (in<br>
+what way?) and some don&#39;t like it because it&#39;s not using phonon but libxine<br>
+directly.<br>
+<br>
+The next option would be totem which I hate (just a personal thing). And it&#39;s<br>
+a gtk application which I consider weird as default in KDE.<br>
+<br>
+Then there is kmplayer, I haven&#39;t really used it till now, but it&#39;s working<br>
+and it&#39;s offering you playback of local files, optical media and tv (which I<br>
+couldn&#39;t test due to not existing hardware.<br>
+<br>
+Next option would be xine-ui which definitely is looking a bit old fashioned.<br>
+<br>
+Did I forget anything? And what do you think?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>VLC would be a nice solution if it had an oxygen theme<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/10 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+There was already a discussion about that in the alpha2 iso thread but I think<br>
+it&#39;s better to discuss this in a thread of its own.<br>
+<br>
+Most people &quot;voted&quot; for smplayer in the other thread, which would be fine with<br>
+me. It&#39;s qt based (nothing against gtk, but using a gtk based application as<br>
+default in kde is just weird. try to do it the other way arround and you&#39;ll be<br>
+lynched by gnome fans), its backend mplayer is a powerfull player.<br>
+But: I&#39;m having a strange thing about it on my Mageia box: I start it, I open<br>
+an ogg file, I play it. I close smplayer, start it again and it won&#39;t play the<br>
+same ogg file anymore. I close smplayer again rm ~/.config/smplayer start it<br>
+again, it plays my file and so on. Anybody else having the same thing? Is it a<br>
+bug or just pebcak?<br>
+<br>
+Others preffered dragon player, which is KDE&#39;s default. We could but I don&#39;t<br>
+really like it, since it&#39;s a bit too simplistic in my eyes.<br>
+<br>
+I personally prefer kaffeine. It&#39;s working just fine for me, has many more<br>
+options then dragon player. But some of you told it&#39;s not stable enough (in<br>
+what way?) and some don&#39;t like it because it&#39;s not using phonon but libxine<br>
+directly.<br>
+<br>
+The next option would be totem which I hate (just a personal thing). And it&#39;s<br>
+a gtk application which I consider weird as default in KDE.<br>
+<br>
+Then there is kmplayer, I haven&#39;t really used it till now, but it&#39;s working<br>
+and it&#39;s offering you playback of local files, optical media and tv (which I<br>
+couldn&#39;t test due to not existing hardware.<br>
+<br>
+Next option would be xine-ui which definitely is looking a bit old fashioned.<br>
+<br>
+Did I forget anything? And what do you think?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>VLC would be a nice solution if it had an oxygen theme<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+#
+# Description: This patch fix a requires on Christian.php (which is provided by php-pear-Date_Holidays)
+# Forwarded: no
+# Bug : no
+# Author : Balcaen John <balcaen.john@gmail.com>
+#
+Index: Holidays/Driver/Norway.php
+===================================================================
+--- Holidays/Driver/Norway.php
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+@@ -24,7 +24,6 @@
+  */
+ 
+ 
+-require_once 'Christian.php';
+ 
+ /**
+  * Driver class that calculates Norwegian holidays
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+#
+# Description: This patch fix a requires on Christian.php (which is provided by php-pear-Date_Holidays)
+# Forwarded: no
+# Bug : no
+# Author : Balcaen John <balcaen.john@gmail.com>
+#
+Index: Holidays/Driver/Norway.php
+===================================================================
+--- Holidays/Driver/Norway.php
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+@@ -24,7 +24,6 @@
+  */
+ 
+ 
+-require_once 'Christian.php';
+ 
+ /**
+  * Driver class that calculates Norwegian holidays
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+I am trying to install mageia on the same disk of ubuntu and I wonder why they have a different version on grub. <div>I have seen version 1 in mageia and 2 in ubuntu.</div><div>If i&#39;s the only option to configure manually the grub of ubuntu to point to the kernel of mageia, this it&#39;s very bad in my opinion.</div>
+<div>Thanks<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Bye<br>Stblack<br><br>
+</div>
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+I am trying to install mageia on the same disk of ubuntu and I wonder why they have a different version on grub. <div>I have seen version 1 in mageia and 2 in ubuntu.</div><div>If i&#39;s the only option to configure manually the grub of ubuntu to point to the kernel of mageia, this it&#39;s very bad in my opinion.</div>
+<div>Thanks<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Bye<br>Stblack<br><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/21 Thorsten van Lil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+The last time I installed Ubuntu (one year ago, i think) it detected my mandriva installation and set it up in the grub. Nevertheless it doesn&#39;t worked and I had to manipulate grub2 according to boot mandriva. But that was/is a known bug in (ubuntus) grub2.<br>
+
+<br>
+Regards,<br><font color="#888888">
+Thorsten<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>Ok, I will have a look at the bugs in ubuntu and try to understand it.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Thanks<br>Stblack<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/21 Thorsten van Lil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+The last time I installed Ubuntu (one year ago, i think) it detected my mandriva installation and set it up in the grub. Nevertheless it doesn&#39;t worked and I had to manipulate grub2 according to boot mandriva. But that was/is a known bug in (ubuntus) grub2.<br>
+
+<br>
+Regards,<br><font color="#888888">
+Thorsten<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>Ok, I will have a look at the bugs in ubuntu and try to understand it.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Thanks<br>Stblack<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/21 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am Montag 21 März 2011, 14:47:34 schrieb Stefano Negro:<div class="im">
+&gt; I have seen version 1 in mageia and 2 in ubuntu.<br>
+</div>Because Ubuntu has switched to grub2 and Mageia has not.<br></blockquote><div>Ok, but why not give grub 2 only as option, if someone wants to install it.</div><div>In my opinion the compatibility with ubuntu&#39;s grub it&#39;s important, to give the possibility to try easily what&#39;s this group it&#39;s doing with such big efforts.</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+(Although I have to admit, it&#39;s the same the other way arround).<br></blockquote><div>That&#39;s why I am writing here..... </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Thanks<br>Stblack<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/21 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am Montag 21 März 2011, 14:47:34 schrieb Stefano Negro:<div class="im">
+&gt; I have seen version 1 in mageia and 2 in ubuntu.<br>
+</div>Because Ubuntu has switched to grub2 and Mageia has not.<br></blockquote><div>Ok, but why not give grub 2 only as option, if someone wants to install it.</div><div>In my opinion the compatibility with ubuntu&#39;s grub it&#39;s important, to give the possibility to try easily what&#39;s this group it&#39;s doing with such big efforts.</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+(Although I have to admit, it&#39;s the same the other way arround).<br></blockquote><div>That&#39;s why I am writing here..... </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Thanks<br>Stblack<br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">hello everyone,<div>
+<br></div><div>i&#39;ve been testing the mageia alpha-1 and -2 and i stumbled over a weird behaviour of my lovely dropbox client.</div><div>(dropbox is a sync service) the client is available for fedora and ubuntu and as tar archive for compilation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>the package as the comiled sources don&#39;t do very much, they only download and install the actual dropbox daemon which is closed source.</div><div>it works fine on ubuntu but not on mageia :/</div><div>
+<br></div><div>the installed menuitem doesn&#39;t do anything and the console application is just acting weird.</div><div><br></div><div>the command list:</div><div><div>$ dropbox </div><div>Dropbox command-line interface</div>
+<div><br></div><div>commands:</div><div><br></div><div>Note: use dropbox help &lt;command&gt; to view usage for a specific command.</div><div><br></div><div> status       get current status of the dropboxd</div><div> help         provide help</div>
+<div> puburl       get public url of a file in your dropbox</div><div> stop         stop dropboxd</div><div> running      return whether dropbox is running</div><div> start        start dropboxd</div><div> filestatus   get current sync status of one or more files</div>
+<div> ls           list directory contents with current sync status</div><div> autostart    automatically start dropbox at login</div><div> exclude      ignores/excludes a directory from syncing</div></div><div><br></div>
+<div>i think the daemon wasn&#39;t installed correctly ( although i tried it several times ) because every command just throws errors.</div><div>e.g.:</div><div><div>$ dropbox start</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t responding!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox filestatus</div><div>Traceback (most recent call last):</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1242, in &lt;module&gt;</div>
+<div>    ret = main(sys.argv)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1231, in main</div><div>    result = commands[argv[i]](argv[i+1:])</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 604, in newmeth</div>
+<div>    return meth(*n, **kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 860, in filestatus</div><div>    status = dc.icon_overlay_file_status(path=fp).get(u&#39;status&#39;, [u&#39;unknown&#39;])[0]</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 575, in __spec_command</div>
+<div>    return self.send_command(unicode(name), kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 533, in send_command</div><div>    ok = self.__readline() == u&quot;ok&quot;</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 509, in __readline</div>
+<div>    raise DropboxCommand.BadConnectionError()</div><div>__main__.BadConnectionError</div></div><div><br></div><div>or my favorite:</div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox start --install</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t running!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div>does anybody maybe have the same problems or any solution hints for this?</div><div><br></div><div>thank you.</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>
+lb</div></font></span>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">hello everyone,<div>
+<br></div><div>i&#39;ve been testing the mageia alpha-1 and -2 and i stumbled over a weird behaviour of my lovely dropbox client.</div><div>(dropbox is a sync service) the client is available for fedora and ubuntu and as tar archive for compilation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>the package as the comiled sources don&#39;t do very much, they only download and install the actual dropbox daemon which is closed source.</div><div>it works fine on ubuntu but not on mageia :/</div><div>
+<br></div><div>the installed menuitem doesn&#39;t do anything and the console application is just acting weird.</div><div><br></div><div>the command list:</div><div><div>$ dropbox </div><div>Dropbox command-line interface</div>
+<div><br></div><div>commands:</div><div><br></div><div>Note: use dropbox help &lt;command&gt; to view usage for a specific command.</div><div><br></div><div> status       get current status of the dropboxd</div><div> help         provide help</div>
+<div> puburl       get public url of a file in your dropbox</div><div> stop         stop dropboxd</div><div> running      return whether dropbox is running</div><div> start        start dropboxd</div><div> filestatus   get current sync status of one or more files</div>
+<div> ls           list directory contents with current sync status</div><div> autostart    automatically start dropbox at login</div><div> exclude      ignores/excludes a directory from syncing</div></div><div><br></div>
+<div>i think the daemon wasn&#39;t installed correctly ( although i tried it several times ) because every command just throws errors.</div><div>e.g.:</div><div><div>$ dropbox start</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t responding!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox filestatus</div><div>Traceback (most recent call last):</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1242, in &lt;module&gt;</div>
+<div>    ret = main(sys.argv)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1231, in main</div><div>    result = commands[argv[i]](argv[i+1:])</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 604, in newmeth</div>
+<div>    return meth(*n, **kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 860, in filestatus</div><div>    status = dc.icon_overlay_file_status(path=fp).get(u&#39;status&#39;, [u&#39;unknown&#39;])[0]</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 575, in __spec_command</div>
+<div>    return self.send_command(unicode(name), kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 533, in send_command</div><div>    ok = self.__readline() == u&quot;ok&quot;</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 509, in __readline</div>
+<div>    raise DropboxCommand.BadConnectionError()</div><div>__main__.BadConnectionError</div></div><div><br></div><div>or my favorite:</div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox start --install</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t running!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div>does anybody maybe have the same problems or any solution hints for this?</div><div><br></div><div>thank you.</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>
+lb</div></font></span>
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+<html lang="en">
+<head>
+    <meta charset="utf-8">
+    <style>
+    body { font-size: 80%; font-family: Helvetica; background: #aaa; }
+    .clear, hr { clear: both; }
+    ul.boxes { margin: 0; padding: 0; /*width: 1800px;*/ }
+    ul.boxes > li { padding-bottom: 2em; }
+    ul.boxes > li {
+        background: #fff;
+        position: relative;
+        list-style: none;
+        display: block;
+        float: left;
+        padding: 0 1em 2em 1em;
+        max-width: 600px;
+        z-index: 1;
+        margin: 12px;
+        -webkit-box-shadow: 0 2px 6px #444;
+        -webkit-border-radius: 6px;
+        -moz-box-shadow: 0 2px 6px #444;
+        -moz-border-radius: 6px;
+        box-shadow: 0 2px 6px #444;
+        border-radius: 6px;
+    }
+    ul.boxes > li:after {
+        content: "\02192";
+        display: block;
+        position: absolute;
+        top: 0px;
+        right: -16px;
+        font-size: 200%;
+        font-weight: bold;
+        background: #fff;
+        z-index: 5;
+        background: -webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#fff), to(#aaa));
+        background: -moz-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#fff), to(#aaa));
+        background: gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#fff), to(#aaa));
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+    }
+    ul.boxes > li:last-child:after {
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+    ul.boxes h3 { }
+    .light { font-weight: normal; }
+    ul.boxes li ul { padding-left: 1.5em; }
+    li.warn { color: red; list-style-type: disc; }
+    .todo { font-style: italic; color: #bbb; }
+    .todo:before { content: "(";}
+    .todo:after { content: ")";}
+    .info { color: #222; }
+    .warning { color: orange; list-style-type: disc; }
+    .error, .failed { color: red; list-style-type: disc; }
+    .ok { color: green; }
+    .isobuild td,
+    .isobuild th { vertical-align: top; }
+    td.build-id { text-align: right; }
+    p#mockup-sign {
+        position: absolute;
+        top: 0; left: -6em;
+        width: 10em;
+        background: red;
+        color: white;
+        border: 2px solid white;
+        padding: 0.3em 0 0.3em 6em;
+        font-weight: bold;
+        text-shadow: -1px 1px 2px #888;
+        -moz-transform: rotate(-45deg);
+        -webkit-transform: rotate(-45deg);
+        transform: rotate(-45deg);
+        -webkit-box-shadow: 0 1px 6px #888;
+        -moz-box-shadow: 0 1px 6px #888;
+        box-shadow: 0 1px 6px #888;
+    }
+    div.dnotes { color: #666; border: 1px solid #666; padding: 0.6em; font-size: 85%; }
+    div.dnotes:before { content: "Design Notes"; color: #666; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline; }
+    </style>
+</head>
+<body>
+    <p id="mockup-sign">Mockup!</p>
+    <h1>Mageia factory status dashboard</h1>
+    <p>This document aggregates various reports from Mageia build chain, from source code to shipped test ISOs.</p>
+    <ul class="boxes">
+        <li><h3>Upstream Projects</h3>
+            <ul>
+                <li>32 in mageia/soft, view <a href="">svnweb</a></li>
+                <li>2343 in other places</li>
+                <li>143 out of sync with upstream</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>view <a href="">detailed report</a></p>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>Source Packages</h3>
+            <p>Status: <span class="ok">OK</span>.</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li>2.1GB</li>
+                <li>4325 packages</li>
+                <li class="warning">23 <a href="">orphans</a></li>
+                <li class="warning">432 <a href="">out-of-upstream-sync</a></li>
+                <li class="info">432 <a href="">patches</a></li>
+                <li class="warning">234 <a href="">open bugs</a> on 43 packages</li>
+                <li class="error">54 <a href="">rpmlint errors</a> in 23 packages (5%)</li>
+                <li class="warning">5433 <a href="">rpmlint warnings</a> in 3325 packages</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>view <a href="">svn</a>, <a href="">git</a>,
+                <a href="">detailed report</a></p>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>Packages Build <span class="light">(past 24 hours)</span></h3>
+            <p>Status: <span class="ok">READY</span>.</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li>5 nodes working out of 6</li>
+                <li>used 78% of the time</li>
+                <li>queue size: <span title="min">0</span>/<span title="max">20</span>/<span title="average">4</span></li>
+                <li>built time: min/max/avg</li>
+                <li>wait time: min/max/avg</li>
+                <li>1234 built packages</li>
+                <li class="warning">321 not built (%):
+                    <ul>
+                        <li>missing dependencies %</li>
+                        <li>other</li>
+                    </ul>
+                </li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>view <a href="">pkgsubmit</a>, <a href="">detailed report</a></p>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>Cauldron Compiled Packages</h3>
+            <p>Status: <span class="failed">NOT READY</span>.</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li>9.2GB</li>
+                <li>4324 packages</li>
+                <li class="error">Broken hdlist (i586/nonfree)</li>
+                <li class="error">Signatures: 23 missing (i586/nonfree, i586/tainted)</li>
+                <li class="error">Dependencies: 32 missing, 2 circular</li>
+                <li class="warning">15 packages are not in sync with their source</li>
+                <li class="error">432 missing/broken signatures</li>
+                <li class="warning"><a href="">213 bugs</a></li>
+                <li>@todo: per package test suite? rpmlint, other</li>
+                <li>@todo: src => 32/64/arm</li>
+                <li class="warning">Basesystem size: 437MB, w/o suggests: 163MB</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>view <a href="">repository</a>, <a href="">detailed report</a></p>
+            
+            <div class="dnotes">
+                <ul>
+                    <li>how to visualize several trees at once? (stable &amp; cauldron at least)</li>
+                </ul>
+            </div>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>Cauldron ISO Build / QA / Publication <span class="light">(past 3 days)</span></h3>
+            <p>Status: <span class="ok">READY, OK</span>.</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li><p>Built packages tree is not ready &ndash; no build planned.</p>Or:</li>
+                <li><p>Next build 1a1 should start in about 12 hours (at 2011-03-15-20:23:33),
+                    with a <a href="">new context</a>.</p>Or:</li>
+                <li><h4>Build 1a0
+                    <span style="font-weight: normal;">(<a href="">context diff w/ build 199</a>)</span>
+                    &ndash; 2011-03-14 23:03:15</h4>
+                    <ul>
+                        <li>DVD i586,
+                            <span class="ok">build ok</span> (<a href="">log</a>),
+                            <span class="failed">tests failed</span> (<a href="">log</a>),
+                            <a href="">cauldron-2-dvd-i586-1a0-qafail.iso</a></li>
+                        <li>DVD x86_64,
+                            <span class="ok">build ok</span> (<a href="">log</a>),
+                            <span class="ok">tests ok</span> (<a href="">log</a>),
+                            <a href="">cauldron-2-dvd-i586-1a0-ok.iso</a></li>
+                        <li>CD dual,
+                            <span class="failed">build failed</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</li>
+                        <li>building netinstall image...</li>
+                    </ul>
+                <li><h4>Build 199
+                    <span style="font-weight: normal;">(<a href="">context diff w/ build 198</a>)</span>
+                    &ndash; 2011-03-12 23:03:15</h4>
+                    <table border="1" class="isobuild">
+                    <tbody>
+                        <tr>
+                            <th>Item</th>
+                            <th>Build</th>
+                            <th>Tests</th>
+                            <th>Download</th>
+                        </tr>
+                        <tr>
+                            <td>DVD i586</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><a href="">cauldron-2-1a0-dvd-i586-ok.iso</a></td>
+                        </tr>
+                        <tr>
+                            <td>DVD x86_64</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><span class="failed">FAILED</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><a href="">cauldron-2-1a0-dvd-x86_64-qafail.iso</a></td>
+                        </tr>
+                        <tr>
+                            <td>CD dual</td>
+                            <td><span class="failed">FAILED</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td></td>
+                            <td></td>
+                        </tr>
+                        <tr>
+                            <td>netinstall</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><a href="">cauldron-2-1a0-netinstall-ok.iso</td>
+                        </tr>
+                    </tbody>
+                    </table>
+    
+                </li>
+            </ul>
+            
+            <p><strong>Notes.</strong>
+                Successfully built ISOs are automatically tested (<a href="">view ISO QA docs</a>)
+                and pushed to <a href="">isos.mageia.org/daily</a>.
+                Failed ISOs are kept for review.
+                All ISOs are dropped after 7 days of age.</p>
+            <div class="dnotes">
+                <ul>
+                    <li>A "context" is the whole context of an ISO build:
+                        packages tree status, particular config status.</li>
+                    <li>Not sure about the layout for a build result: list or table?</li>
+                </ul>
+            </div>
+        </li>
+    </ul>
+    
+    <hr />
+    <div class="dnotes">
+        <p>Essayer : droite/gauche (renversé), haut/bas (renversé) pour mettre le focus (premier item lu en haut à gauche)
+            soit sur le résultat (les ISOs) soit sur la source.</p>
+    </div>
+
+    <ul class="boxes">
+        <li style="width:300px;"><h3>Search</h3>
+            
+            <p>Have a search for packages infos + high-level report matrix.</p>
+            
+            <p><input type="search"><input type="submit"></p>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>indexhtml</h3>
+            <ul>
+                <li>upstream: ... version</li>
+                <li>source size</li>
+                <li>spec file OK</li>
+                <li>maintained by rda, ennael</li>
+                <li>no patch</li>
+                <li>2 bugs</li>
+                <li>2 rpmlint warning</li>
+                <li>License</li>
+                <li>built version ... in 2 minutes (log)</li>
+                <li>last rebuilt on ...</li>
+                <li>Needed by: evolution (needs rebuild), firefox (needs rebuild)</li>
+                <li>RPM: noarch: 230kB</li>
+                <li>in core</li>
+                <li>in hdlist</li>
+                <li>signature OK</li>
+                <li>dependencies OK</li>
+            </ul>
+        </li>
+    </ul>
+    <hr>
+
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE html>
+<html lang="en">
+<head>
+    <meta charset="utf-8">
+    <style>
+    body { font-size: 80%; font-family: Helvetica; background: #aaa; }
+    .clear, hr { clear: both; }
+    ul.boxes { margin: 0; padding: 0; /*width: 1800px;*/ }
+    ul.boxes > li { padding-bottom: 2em; }
+    ul.boxes > li {
+        background: #fff;
+        position: relative;
+        list-style: none;
+        display: block;
+        float: left;
+        padding: 0 1em 2em 1em;
+        max-width: 600px;
+        z-index: 1;
+        margin: 12px;
+        -webkit-box-shadow: 0 2px 6px #444;
+        -webkit-border-radius: 6px;
+        -moz-box-shadow: 0 2px 6px #444;
+        -moz-border-radius: 6px;
+        box-shadow: 0 2px 6px #444;
+        border-radius: 6px;
+    }
+    ul.boxes > li:after {
+        content: "\02192";
+        display: block;
+        position: absolute;
+        top: 0px;
+        right: -16px;
+        font-size: 200%;
+        font-weight: bold;
+        background: #fff;
+        z-index: 5;
+        background: -webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#fff), to(#aaa));
+        background: -moz-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#fff), to(#aaa));
+        background: gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#fff), to(#aaa));
+        
+    }
+    ul.boxes > li:last-child:after {
+        content: "";
+    }
+    ul.boxes h3 { }
+    .light { font-weight: normal; }
+    ul.boxes li ul { padding-left: 1.5em; }
+    li.warn { color: red; list-style-type: disc; }
+    .todo { font-style: italic; color: #bbb; }
+    .todo:before { content: "(";}
+    .todo:after { content: ")";}
+    .info { color: #222; }
+    .warning { color: orange; list-style-type: disc; }
+    .error, .failed { color: red; list-style-type: disc; }
+    .ok { color: green; }
+    .isobuild td,
+    .isobuild th { vertical-align: top; }
+    td.build-id { text-align: right; }
+    p#mockup-sign {
+        position: absolute;
+        top: 0; left: -6em;
+        width: 10em;
+        background: red;
+        color: white;
+        border: 2px solid white;
+        padding: 0.3em 0 0.3em 6em;
+        font-weight: bold;
+        text-shadow: -1px 1px 2px #888;
+        -moz-transform: rotate(-45deg);
+        -webkit-transform: rotate(-45deg);
+        transform: rotate(-45deg);
+        -webkit-box-shadow: 0 1px 6px #888;
+        -moz-box-shadow: 0 1px 6px #888;
+        box-shadow: 0 1px 6px #888;
+    }
+    div.dnotes { color: #666; border: 1px solid #666; padding: 0.6em; font-size: 85%; }
+    div.dnotes:before { content: "Design Notes"; color: #666; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline; }
+    </style>
+</head>
+<body>
+    <p id="mockup-sign">Mockup!</p>
+    <h1>Mageia factory status dashboard</h1>
+    <p>This document aggregates various reports from Mageia build chain, from source code to shipped test ISOs.</p>
+    <ul class="boxes">
+        <li><h3>Upstream Projects</h3>
+            <ul>
+                <li>32 in mageia/soft, view <a href="">svnweb</a></li>
+                <li>2343 in other places</li>
+                <li>143 out of sync with upstream</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>view <a href="">detailed report</a></p>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>Source Packages</h3>
+            <p>Status: <span class="ok">OK</span>.</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li>2.1GB</li>
+                <li>4325 packages</li>
+                <li class="warning">23 <a href="">orphans</a></li>
+                <li class="warning">432 <a href="">out-of-upstream-sync</a></li>
+                <li class="info">432 <a href="">patches</a></li>
+                <li class="warning">234 <a href="">open bugs</a> on 43 packages</li>
+                <li class="error">54 <a href="">rpmlint errors</a> in 23 packages (5%)</li>
+                <li class="warning">5433 <a href="">rpmlint warnings</a> in 3325 packages</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>view <a href="">svn</a>, <a href="">git</a>,
+                <a href="">detailed report</a></p>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>Packages Build <span class="light">(past 24 hours)</span></h3>
+            <p>Status: <span class="ok">READY</span>.</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li>5 nodes working out of 6</li>
+                <li>used 78% of the time</li>
+                <li>queue size: <span title="min">0</span>/<span title="max">20</span>/<span title="average">4</span></li>
+                <li>built time: min/max/avg</li>
+                <li>wait time: min/max/avg</li>
+                <li>1234 built packages</li>
+                <li class="warning">321 not built (%):
+                    <ul>
+                        <li>missing dependencies %</li>
+                        <li>other</li>
+                    </ul>
+                </li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>view <a href="">pkgsubmit</a>, <a href="">detailed report</a></p>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>Cauldron Compiled Packages</h3>
+            <p>Status: <span class="failed">NOT READY</span>.</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li>9.2GB</li>
+                <li>4324 packages</li>
+                <li class="error">Broken hdlist (i586/nonfree)</li>
+                <li class="error">Signatures: 23 missing (i586/nonfree, i586/tainted)</li>
+                <li class="error">Dependencies: 32 missing, 2 circular</li>
+                <li class="warning">15 packages are not in sync with their source</li>
+                <li class="error">432 missing/broken signatures</li>
+                <li class="warning"><a href="">213 bugs</a></li>
+                <li>@todo: per package test suite? rpmlint, other</li>
+                <li>@todo: src => 32/64/arm</li>
+                <li class="warning">Basesystem size: 437MB, w/o suggests: 163MB</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>view <a href="">repository</a>, <a href="">detailed report</a></p>
+            
+            <div class="dnotes">
+                <ul>
+                    <li>how to visualize several trees at once? (stable &amp; cauldron at least)</li>
+                </ul>
+            </div>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>Cauldron ISO Build / QA / Publication <span class="light">(past 3 days)</span></h3>
+            <p>Status: <span class="ok">READY, OK</span>.</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li><p>Built packages tree is not ready &ndash; no build planned.</p>Or:</li>
+                <li><p>Next build 1a1 should start in about 12 hours (at 2011-03-15-20:23:33),
+                    with a <a href="">new context</a>.</p>Or:</li>
+                <li><h4>Build 1a0
+                    <span style="font-weight: normal;">(<a href="">context diff w/ build 199</a>)</span>
+                    &ndash; 2011-03-14 23:03:15</h4>
+                    <ul>
+                        <li>DVD i586,
+                            <span class="ok">build ok</span> (<a href="">log</a>),
+                            <span class="failed">tests failed</span> (<a href="">log</a>),
+                            <a href="">cauldron-2-dvd-i586-1a0-qafail.iso</a></li>
+                        <li>DVD x86_64,
+                            <span class="ok">build ok</span> (<a href="">log</a>),
+                            <span class="ok">tests ok</span> (<a href="">log</a>),
+                            <a href="">cauldron-2-dvd-i586-1a0-ok.iso</a></li>
+                        <li>CD dual,
+                            <span class="failed">build failed</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</li>
+                        <li>building netinstall image...</li>
+                    </ul>
+                <li><h4>Build 199
+                    <span style="font-weight: normal;">(<a href="">context diff w/ build 198</a>)</span>
+                    &ndash; 2011-03-12 23:03:15</h4>
+                    <table border="1" class="isobuild">
+                    <tbody>
+                        <tr>
+                            <th>Item</th>
+                            <th>Build</th>
+                            <th>Tests</th>
+                            <th>Download</th>
+                        </tr>
+                        <tr>
+                            <td>DVD i586</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><a href="">cauldron-2-1a0-dvd-i586-ok.iso</a></td>
+                        </tr>
+                        <tr>
+                            <td>DVD x86_64</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><span class="failed">FAILED</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><a href="">cauldron-2-1a0-dvd-x86_64-qafail.iso</a></td>
+                        </tr>
+                        <tr>
+                            <td>CD dual</td>
+                            <td><span class="failed">FAILED</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td></td>
+                            <td></td>
+                        </tr>
+                        <tr>
+                            <td>netinstall</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><span class="ok">OK</span> (<a href="">log</a>)</td>
+                            <td><a href="">cauldron-2-1a0-netinstall-ok.iso</td>
+                        </tr>
+                    </tbody>
+                    </table>
+    
+                </li>
+            </ul>
+            
+            <p><strong>Notes.</strong>
+                Successfully built ISOs are automatically tested (<a href="">view ISO QA docs</a>)
+                and pushed to <a href="">isos.mageia.org/daily</a>.
+                Failed ISOs are kept for review.
+                All ISOs are dropped after 7 days of age.</p>
+            <div class="dnotes">
+                <ul>
+                    <li>A "context" is the whole context of an ISO build:
+                        packages tree status, particular config status.</li>
+                    <li>Not sure about the layout for a build result: list or table?</li>
+                </ul>
+            </div>
+        </li>
+    </ul>
+    
+    <hr />
+    <div class="dnotes">
+        <p>Essayer : droite/gauche (renversé), haut/bas (renversé) pour mettre le focus (premier item lu en haut à gauche)
+            soit sur le résultat (les ISOs) soit sur la source.</p>
+    </div>
+
+    <ul class="boxes">
+        <li style="width:300px;"><h3>Search</h3>
+            
+            <p>Have a search for packages infos + high-level report matrix.</p>
+            
+            <p><input type="search"><input type="submit"></p>
+        </li>
+        <li><h3>indexhtml</h3>
+            <ul>
+                <li>upstream: ... version</li>
+                <li>source size</li>
+                <li>spec file OK</li>
+                <li>maintained by rda, ennael</li>
+                <li>no patch</li>
+                <li>2 bugs</li>
+                <li>2 rpmlint warning</li>
+                <li>License</li>
+                <li>built version ... in 2 minutes (log)</li>
+                <li>last rebuilt on ...</li>
+                <li>Needed by: evolution (needs rebuild), firefox (needs rebuild)</li>
+                <li>RPM: noarch: 230kB</li>
+                <li>in core</li>
+                <li>in hdlist</li>
+                <li>signature OK</li>
+                <li>dependencies OK</li>
+            </ul>
+        </li>
+    </ul>
+    <hr>
+
+</body>
+</html>
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+hello everyone,<div><br></div><div>i&#39;ve been testing the mageia alpha-1 and -2 and i stumbled over a weird behaviour of my lovely dropbox client.</div><div>(dropbox is a sync service) the client is available for fedora and ubuntu and as tar archive for compilation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>the package as the comiled sources don&#39;t do very much, they only download and install the actual dropbox daemon which is closed source.</div><div>it works fine on ubuntu but not on mageia :/</div><div>
+<br></div><div>the installed menuitem doesn&#39;t do anything and the console application is just acting weird.</div><div><br></div><div>the command list:</div><div><div>$ dropbox </div><div>Dropbox command-line interface</div>
+<div><br></div><div>commands:</div><div><br></div><div>Note: use dropbox help &lt;command&gt; to view usage for a specific command.</div><div><br></div><div> status       get current status of the dropboxd</div><div> help         provide help</div>
+<div> puburl       get public url of a file in your dropbox</div><div> stop         stop dropboxd</div><div> running      return whether dropbox is running</div><div> start        start dropboxd</div><div> filestatus   get current sync status of one or more files</div>
+<div> ls           list directory contents with current sync status</div><div> autostart    automatically start dropbox at login</div><div> exclude      ignores/excludes a directory from syncing</div></div><div><br></div>
+<div>i think the daemon wasn&#39;t installed correctly ( although i tried it several times ) because every command just throws errors.</div><div>e.g.:</div><div><div>$ dropbox start</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t responding!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox filestatus</div><div>Traceback (most recent call last):</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1242, in &lt;module&gt;</div>
+<div>    ret = main(sys.argv)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1231, in main</div><div>    result = commands[argv[i]](argv[i+1:])</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 604, in newmeth</div>
+<div>    return meth(*n, **kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 860, in filestatus</div><div>    status = dc.icon_overlay_file_status(path=fp).get(u&#39;status&#39;, [u&#39;unknown&#39;])[0]</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 575, in __spec_command</div>
+<div>    return self.send_command(unicode(name), kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 533, in send_command</div><div>    ok = self.__readline() == u&quot;ok&quot;</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 509, in __readline</div>
+<div>    raise DropboxCommand.BadConnectionError()</div><div>__main__.BadConnectionError</div></div><div><br></div><div>or my favorite:</div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox start --install</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t running!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div>does anybody maybe have the same problems or any solution hints for this?</div><div><br></div><div>thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>lb</div>
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+hello everyone,<div><br></div><div>i&#39;ve been testing the mageia alpha-1 and -2 and i stumbled over a weird behaviour of my lovely dropbox client.</div><div>(dropbox is a sync service) the client is available for fedora and ubuntu and as tar archive for compilation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>the package as the comiled sources don&#39;t do very much, they only download and install the actual dropbox daemon which is closed source.</div><div>it works fine on ubuntu but not on mageia :/</div><div>
+<br></div><div>the installed menuitem doesn&#39;t do anything and the console application is just acting weird.</div><div><br></div><div>the command list:</div><div><div>$ dropbox </div><div>Dropbox command-line interface</div>
+<div><br></div><div>commands:</div><div><br></div><div>Note: use dropbox help &lt;command&gt; to view usage for a specific command.</div><div><br></div><div> status       get current status of the dropboxd</div><div> help         provide help</div>
+<div> puburl       get public url of a file in your dropbox</div><div> stop         stop dropboxd</div><div> running      return whether dropbox is running</div><div> start        start dropboxd</div><div> filestatus   get current sync status of one or more files</div>
+<div> ls           list directory contents with current sync status</div><div> autostart    automatically start dropbox at login</div><div> exclude      ignores/excludes a directory from syncing</div></div><div><br></div>
+<div>i think the daemon wasn&#39;t installed correctly ( although i tried it several times ) because every command just throws errors.</div><div>e.g.:</div><div><div>$ dropbox start</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t responding!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox filestatus</div><div>Traceback (most recent call last):</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1242, in &lt;module&gt;</div>
+<div>    ret = main(sys.argv)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1231, in main</div><div>    result = commands[argv[i]](argv[i+1:])</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 604, in newmeth</div>
+<div>    return meth(*n, **kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 860, in filestatus</div><div>    status = dc.icon_overlay_file_status(path=fp).get(u&#39;status&#39;, [u&#39;unknown&#39;])[0]</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 575, in __spec_command</div>
+<div>    return self.send_command(unicode(name), kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 533, in send_command</div><div>    ok = self.__readline() == u&quot;ok&quot;</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 509, in __readline</div>
+<div>    raise DropboxCommand.BadConnectionError()</div><div>__main__.BadConnectionError</div></div><div><br></div><div>or my favorite:</div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox start --install</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t running!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div>does anybody maybe have the same problems or any solution hints for this?</div><div><br></div><div>thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>lb</div>
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+<p>I&#39;ve played around a little bit. Seems like the client wasn&#39;t linked to the dropped account. A Manuel start of ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd in a terminal throws an error with a one time link to the dropbox-dist homepage.<br>
+
+After I opened that link in a normal browser my pc was correctly linked to dropbox. <br>
+The GUI still doesn&#39;t work,but the files are being synchronized by the daemon. <br>
+Status reports only via terminal commands...</p>
+<p>lb </p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 23.03.2011 10:12 schrieb &quot;L B&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luke.b3103@googlemail.com">luke.b3103@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; thanks for the quick answer. i&#39;ve forgotten to say that i&#39;m using the gnome<br>
+&gt; desktop.<br>&gt; but i will try if the kfilebox works there as well.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; lb<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 2011/3/23 Andres Kaaber &lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; Works fine here. I use it with kfilebox.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt; A. Kaaber<br>&gt;&gt;<br></div>
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+<p>I&#39;ve played around a little bit. Seems like the client wasn&#39;t linked to the dropped account. A Manuel start of ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd in a terminal throws an error with a one time link to the dropbox-dist homepage.<br>
+
+After I opened that link in a normal browser my pc was correctly linked to dropbox. <br>
+The GUI still doesn&#39;t work,but the files are being synchronized by the daemon. <br>
+Status reports only via terminal commands...</p>
+<p>lb </p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 23.03.2011 10:12 schrieb &quot;L B&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luke.b3103@googlemail.com">luke.b3103@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; thanks for the quick answer. i&#39;ve forgotten to say that i&#39;m using the gnome<br>
+&gt; desktop.<br>&gt; but i will try if the kfilebox works there as well.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; lb<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 2011/3/23 Andres Kaaber &lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; <br>
+&gt;&gt; Works fine here. I use it with kfilebox.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt; A. Kaaber<br>&gt;&gt;<br></div>
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+thanks for the quick answer. i&#39;ve forgotten to say that i&#39;m using the gnome desktop.<div>but i will try if the kfilebox works there as well.</div><div><br></div><div>lb</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/23 Andres Kaaber <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Works fine here. I use it with kfilebox.<br>
+<br><font color="#888888">--<br>
+A. Kaaber<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+thanks for the quick answer. i&#39;ve forgotten to say that i&#39;m using the gnome desktop.<div>but i will try if the kfilebox works there as well.</div><div><br></div><div>lb</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/23 Andres Kaaber <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Works fine here. I use it with kfilebox.<br>
+<br><font color="#888888">--<br>
+A. Kaaber<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><br>On Mar 23, 2011, at 16:24, Tux99 &lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#005001"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br>
+</font></font></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span></span><br><span>I certainly don&#39;t have the web space and bandwidth resources for a</span><br><span>repository and frankly I joined Mageia as a packager precisely because I</span><br>
+<span>thought Mageia would finally make confusing and conflicting third party</span><br><span>repos (like Mandriva has) obsolete.</span><br><br></div></blockquote><br><div>We can host repositories for you, if Mageia is unwilling to accept them - you could make a kde3 rpm that adds the necessary sources to use. Or, Mageia could make an official kde3 repository that is disabled by default but can be enabled on installer/rpmdrake. I&#39;m not the expert at this, though :-/ that&#39;s mageia dev decisions.</div>
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+<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><br>On Mar 23, 2011, at 16:24, Tux99 &lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#005001"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br>
+</font></font></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span></span><br><span>I certainly don&#39;t have the web space and bandwidth resources for a</span><br><span>repository and frankly I joined Mageia as a packager precisely because I</span><br>
+<span>thought Mageia would finally make confusing and conflicting third party</span><br><span>repos (like Mandriva has) obsolete.</span><br><br></div></blockquote><br><div>We can host repositories for you, if Mageia is unwilling to accept them - you could make a kde3 rpm that adds the necessary sources to use. Or, Mageia could make an official kde3 repository that is disabled by default but can be enabled on installer/rpmdrake. I&#39;m not the expert at this, though :-/ that&#39;s mageia dev decisions.</div>
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+<br></div><div>i&#39;ve been testing the mageia alpha-1 and -2 and i stumbled over a weird behaviour of my lovely dropbox client.</div><div>(dropbox is a sync service) the client is available for fedora and ubuntu and as tar archive for compilation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>the package as the comiled sources don&#39;t do very much, they only download and install the actual dropbox daemon which is closed source.</div><div>it works fine on ubuntu but not on mageia :/</div><div>
+<br></div><div>the installed menuitem doesn&#39;t do anything and the console application is just acting weird.</div><div><br></div><div>the command list:</div><div><div>$ dropbox </div><div>Dropbox command-line interface</div>
+<div><br></div><div>commands:</div><div><br></div><div>Note: use dropbox help &lt;command&gt; to view usage for a specific command.</div><div><br></div><div> status       get current status of the dropboxd</div><div> help         provide help</div>
+<div> puburl       get public url of a file in your dropbox</div><div> stop         stop dropboxd</div><div> running      return whether dropbox is running</div><div> start        start dropboxd</div><div> filestatus   get current sync status of one or more files</div>
+<div> ls           list directory contents with current sync status</div><div> autostart    automatically start dropbox at login</div><div> exclude      ignores/excludes a directory from syncing</div></div><div><br></div>
+<div>i think the daemon wasn&#39;t installed correctly ( although i tried it several times ) because every command just throws errors.</div><div>e.g.:</div><div><div>$ dropbox start</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t responding!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox filestatus</div><div>Traceback (most recent call last):</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1242, in &lt;module&gt;</div>
+<div>    ret = main(sys.argv)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1231, in main</div><div>    result = commands[argv[i]](argv[i+1:])</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 604, in newmeth</div>
+<div>    return meth(*n, **kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 860, in filestatus</div><div>    status = dc.icon_overlay_file_status(path=fp).get(u&#39;status&#39;, [u&#39;unknown&#39;])[0]</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 575, in __spec_command</div>
+<div>    return self.send_command(unicode(name), kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 533, in send_command</div><div>    ok = self.__readline() == u&quot;ok&quot;</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 509, in __readline</div>
+<div>    raise DropboxCommand.BadConnectionError()</div><div>__main__.BadConnectionError</div></div><div><br></div><div>or my favorite:</div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox start --install</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t running!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div>does anybody maybe have the same problems or any solution hints for this?</div><div><br></div><div>thank you.</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><font color="#888888"><div>
+lb</div></font></font></span>
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+<br></div><div>i&#39;ve been testing the mageia alpha-1 and -2 and i stumbled over a weird behaviour of my lovely dropbox client.</div><div>(dropbox is a sync service) the client is available for fedora and ubuntu and as tar archive for compilation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>the package as the comiled sources don&#39;t do very much, they only download and install the actual dropbox daemon which is closed source.</div><div>it works fine on ubuntu but not on mageia :/</div><div>
+<br></div><div>the installed menuitem doesn&#39;t do anything and the console application is just acting weird.</div><div><br></div><div>the command list:</div><div><div>$ dropbox </div><div>Dropbox command-line interface</div>
+<div><br></div><div>commands:</div><div><br></div><div>Note: use dropbox help &lt;command&gt; to view usage for a specific command.</div><div><br></div><div> status       get current status of the dropboxd</div><div> help         provide help</div>
+<div> puburl       get public url of a file in your dropbox</div><div> stop         stop dropboxd</div><div> running      return whether dropbox is running</div><div> start        start dropboxd</div><div> filestatus   get current sync status of one or more files</div>
+<div> ls           list directory contents with current sync status</div><div> autostart    automatically start dropbox at login</div><div> exclude      ignores/excludes a directory from syncing</div></div><div><br></div>
+<div>i think the daemon wasn&#39;t installed correctly ( although i tried it several times ) because every command just throws errors.</div><div>e.g.:</div><div><div>$ dropbox start</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t responding!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox filestatus</div><div>Traceback (most recent call last):</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1242, in &lt;module&gt;</div>
+<div>    ret = main(sys.argv)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 1231, in main</div><div>    result = commands[argv[i]](argv[i+1:])</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 604, in newmeth</div>
+<div>    return meth(*n, **kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 860, in filestatus</div><div>    status = dc.icon_overlay_file_status(path=fp).get(u&#39;status&#39;, [u&#39;unknown&#39;])[0]</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 575, in __spec_command</div>
+<div>    return self.send_command(unicode(name), kw)</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 533, in send_command</div><div>    ok = self.__readline() == u&quot;ok&quot;</div><div>  File &quot;/usr/bin/dropbox&quot;, line 509, in __readline</div>
+<div>    raise DropboxCommand.BadConnectionError()</div><div>__main__.BadConnectionError</div></div><div><br></div><div>or my favorite:</div><div><br></div><div><div>$ dropbox start --install</div><div>Dropbox isn&#39;t running!</div>
+<div>Dropbox is already running!</div></div><div><br></div><div>does anybody maybe have the same problems or any solution hints for this?</div><div><br></div><div>thank you.</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><font color="#888888"><div>
+lb</div></font></font></span>
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+i try to compile it iself but it need gtk 2.0+ and that is not on the repos...and when i try to compile gtk that need more dependens,that no are in the repos too..<br>excuseme my english.<br>
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+i try to compile it iself but it need gtk 2.0+ and that is not on the repos...and when i try to compile gtk that need more dependens,that no are in the repos too..<br>excuseme my english.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/25 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+<br>
+Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:30<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; As as already said earlier, if you want to compile TDE, you can also<br>
+&gt; compile<br>
+&gt; qt3 with devel enable because you &#39;ll need to *patch* qt3 to be able to<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; compile TDE &gt;=3.5.12 cf<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Qt3" target="_blank">http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Qt3</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m aware of the patch needed for TDE &gt;=3.5.12, but my current interest is<br>
+3.5.12.<br>
+After that when the patch is needed for future versions then I will look at<br>
+applying the patch to the qt3 package.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; So i&#39;ll repeat myself once more :<br>
+&gt; -&gt; enable qt3 with devel support on your box<br>
+&gt; -&gt; patch it (because i expect you want to fix some TDE bugs available<br>
+&gt; in 3.5.12<br>
+&gt; &amp; you&#39;ll need to patch for TDE from svn &gt; 1214094<br>
+&gt; -&gt; compile, test TDE on your computer with a prefix in /usr (&amp;not<br>
+&gt; /opt)<br>
+&gt; -&gt; if everything is ok, ask for a space online (i can help if it&#39;s<br>
+&gt; really<br>
+&gt; needed for that) to provide TDE in a contrib for more tests<br>
+&gt; -&gt; &amp; than if it&#39;s ok we can start thinking about including some part of<br>
+&gt; it<br>
+<br>
+</div>As I said earlier in this thread I have of course already rebuilt the qt3<br>
+package on my box and started working on the TDE packages (thanks to work<br>
+done by Tim for Mandriva it&#39;s far easier for me now).<br></blockquote><div>So we can now work on next step ?<br>Assume you can build it without problem, that&#39;s it&#39;s including without problem in mageia, put it on an external repository for more test and after discuss again about it&#39;s inclusion in mandriva.<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+The point is with the overwhelmingly negative attitude directed towards me<br>
+even &#39;thinking&#39; about TDE in Mageia, I don&#39;t think my reaction is that<br>
+surprising, or is it?<br></blockquote><div><br>I did not see any negative attitude directed towards you, most of people told you that for the moment it was a no-go in order to enable qt3-devel until you&#39;ll be able to prove that TDE can integrate nicely in Mageia, that&#39;s all.<br>
+
+They also explained :<br>-&gt; why qt3 was still in mageia &amp; why we did not package the -devel files.<br>We could have close this thread far earlier<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+At this point I don&#39;t think there is any chance that TDE ever goes into the<br>
+Mageia repos, given the attitudes I have faced here.<br></blockquote><div>I don&#39;t see why.<br>The only problem we faced is that we&#39;re not agree about packaging qt3-devel for the moment, that&#39;s all. We proposed you to packaged TDE , get it reviewed etc etc.<br>
+
+Some of us indeed ask for a Qt4 TDE and not a Qt3 TDE..<br> </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Also this is not really about my ideas as Xavier&#39;s post showed, there are<br>
+others too that are affected by these arbitrary and unnecessary<br>
+limitations (they are probably just less outspoken than I am).<br><div><div class="h5"></div></div></blockquote><div>We started a new distribution and we made choices, one of them was to not have Qt3 apps.</div>It&#39;s not like we were providing Qt3 &amp; others apps &amp; suddently someone decides to drop all of them from the distribution... This could be seen as arbitrary and unnecessary limitations because suddently you can loose functionnality, here we started *without* thoses because we decided to start like this.<br>
+
+<br></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-Id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
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+
+<br>
+<br>
+Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:30<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; As as already said earlier, if you want to compile TDE, you can also<br>
+&gt; compile<br>
+&gt; qt3 with devel enable because you &#39;ll need to *patch* qt3 to be able to<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; compile TDE &gt;=3.5.12 cf<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Qt3" target="_blank">http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Qt3</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m aware of the patch needed for TDE &gt;=3.5.12, but my current interest is<br>
+3.5.12.<br>
+After that when the patch is needed for future versions then I will look at<br>
+applying the patch to the qt3 package.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; So i&#39;ll repeat myself once more :<br>
+&gt; -&gt; enable qt3 with devel support on your box<br>
+&gt; -&gt; patch it (because i expect you want to fix some TDE bugs available<br>
+&gt; in 3.5.12<br>
+&gt; &amp; you&#39;ll need to patch for TDE from svn &gt; 1214094<br>
+&gt; -&gt; compile, test TDE on your computer with a prefix in /usr (&amp;not<br>
+&gt; /opt)<br>
+&gt; -&gt; if everything is ok, ask for a space online (i can help if it&#39;s<br>
+&gt; really<br>
+&gt; needed for that) to provide TDE in a contrib for more tests<br>
+&gt; -&gt; &amp; than if it&#39;s ok we can start thinking about including some part of<br>
+&gt; it<br>
+<br>
+</div>As I said earlier in this thread I have of course already rebuilt the qt3<br>
+package on my box and started working on the TDE packages (thanks to work<br>
+done by Tim for Mandriva it&#39;s far easier for me now).<br></blockquote><div>So we can now work on next step ?<br>Assume you can build it without problem, that&#39;s it&#39;s including without problem in mageia, put it on an external repository for more test and after discuss again about it&#39;s inclusion in mandriva.<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+The point is with the overwhelmingly negative attitude directed towards me<br>
+even &#39;thinking&#39; about TDE in Mageia, I don&#39;t think my reaction is that<br>
+surprising, or is it?<br></blockquote><div><br>I did not see any negative attitude directed towards you, most of people told you that for the moment it was a no-go in order to enable qt3-devel until you&#39;ll be able to prove that TDE can integrate nicely in Mageia, that&#39;s all.<br>
+
+They also explained :<br>-&gt; why qt3 was still in mageia &amp; why we did not package the -devel files.<br>We could have close this thread far earlier<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+At this point I don&#39;t think there is any chance that TDE ever goes into the<br>
+Mageia repos, given the attitudes I have faced here.<br></blockquote><div>I don&#39;t see why.<br>The only problem we faced is that we&#39;re not agree about packaging qt3-devel for the moment, that&#39;s all. We proposed you to packaged TDE , get it reviewed etc etc.<br>
+
+Some of us indeed ask for a Qt4 TDE and not a Qt3 TDE..<br> </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Also this is not really about my ideas as Xavier&#39;s post showed, there are<br>
+others too that are affected by these arbitrary and unnecessary<br>
+limitations (they are probably just less outspoken than I am).<br><div><div class="h5"></div></div></blockquote><div>We started a new distribution and we made choices, one of them was to not have Qt3 apps.</div>It&#39;s not like we were providing Qt3 &amp; others apps &amp; suddently someone decides to drop all of them from the distribution... This could be seen as arbitrary and unnecessary limitations because suddently you can loose functionnality, here we started *without* thoses because we decided to start like this.<br>
+
+<br></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-Id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
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+<p>Ok, that&#39;s what I thought. Just wanted to be sure. It looks good nice work.<br>
+</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 31 Mar 2011 11:49, &quot;Dexter Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><p><font color="#500050">On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Donald Stewart<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; On 31 March 2011...</font></p>back.jpg and background.jpg to remove the alpha reference.<br>
+</blockquote></p>
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+<p>Ok, that&#39;s what I thought. Just wanted to be sure. It looks good nice work.<br>
+</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 31 Mar 2011 11:49, &quot;Dexter Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><p><font color="#500050">On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Donald Stewart<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Em 04-04-2011 06:35, Anne nicolas escreveu:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:BANLkTin7P_e8yNXMaK=dXLu+_8-vu-e2nQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi there
+
+While working on beta1 isos, looks like recent improvement in deps
+management for base system made some more free space. I know have 30
+Mo available to add more packages. Just keep in mind that dual content
+is both 32 and 64 bits and focus on minimal installation and
+diagnostic tools
+
+Here is the current list:
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://zarb.org/~ennael/mageia-dual-1-Beta1-dual.idx">http://zarb.org/~ennael/mageia-dual-1-Beta1-dual.idx</a>
+
+Feel free to comment
+Cheers
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;<span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span
+        style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="Um pacote
+        que me faz muita falta eo bridge-utils, alguma possibilidade de
+        incluir no dualarch ?">A package that I already miss and
+        bridge-utils, any possibility of including ?</span></span>
+    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
+      <br>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Em 04-04-2011 06:35, Anne nicolas escreveu:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:BANLkTin7P_e8yNXMaK=dXLu+_8-vu-e2nQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi there
+
+While working on beta1 isos, looks like recent improvement in deps
+management for base system made some more free space. I know have 30
+Mo available to add more packages. Just keep in mind that dual content
+is both 32 and 64 bits and focus on minimal installation and
+diagnostic tools
+
+Here is the current list:
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://zarb.org/~ennael/mageia-dual-1-Beta1-dual.idx">http://zarb.org/~ennael/mageia-dual-1-Beta1-dual.idx</a>
+
+Feel free to comment
+Cheers
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;<span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span
+        style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="Um pacote
+        que me faz muita falta eo bridge-utils, alguma possibilidade de
+        incluir no dualarch ?">A package that I already miss and
+        bridge-utils, any possibility of including ?</span></span>
+    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
+      <br>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br>
+<blockquote>
+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: oliver.bgr@googlemail.com<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 11.42<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re: R: Re: Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>"marcello.anni@alice.it" &lt;marcello.anni@alice.it&gt; schrieb am <br>&gt; no, i've checked the md5sum and it is not corrupt. i have made an<br>&gt; installation from scratch (kde4 DE), there shouldn't be issues<br>&gt; (or, this is what i thought). and in that installation step, i<br>&gt; don't know either how to file a bug, other than telling you which<br>&gt; packages haven't been installed.<br>You mean, the installer left you with an unusable system? Or you just <br>miss packages, you'd like to have?<br>If it's the first, could it be a problem with your dvd or the drive? I <br>have not heard anything like that about beta1 before.<br>If it's the second, why not install them from the repo?<br><br>Oliver<br><br></blockquote>it's the first : (&nbsp; i've never had issues with the dvd drive, and before installing i've updated mandriva 2010.2 to mageia without issues... strange behaviour... i will wait for the second beta&nbsp; <br><br><br>Marcello<br>
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+<blockquote>
+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: oliver.bgr@googlemail.com<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 11.42<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re: R: Re: Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>"marcello.anni@alice.it" &lt;marcello.anni@alice.it&gt; schrieb am <br>&gt; no, i've checked the md5sum and it is not corrupt. i have made an<br>&gt; installation from scratch (kde4 DE), there shouldn't be issues<br>&gt; (or, this is what i thought). and in that installation step, i<br>&gt; don't know either how to file a bug, other than telling you which<br>&gt; packages haven't been installed.<br>You mean, the installer left you with an unusable system? Or you just <br>miss packages, you'd like to have?<br>If it's the first, could it be a problem with your dvd or the drive? I <br>have not heard anything like that about beta1 before.<br>If it's the second, why not install them from the repo?<br><br>Oliver<br><br></blockquote>it's the first : (&nbsp; i've never had issues with the dvd drive, and before installing i've updated mandriva 2010.2 to mageia without issues... strange behaviour... i will wait for the second beta&nbsp; <br><br><br>Marcello<br>
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+hi there, <br><br>any news about the live cds? i'm in trouble, i tried to install beta 1 DVD but LOTS of packages haven't been installed, so i have no O.S. anymore : ( <br><br>i hope you'll provide them soon, i would like to avoid to install mandriva :-)<br><br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+hi there, <br><br>any news about the live cds? i'm in trouble, i tried to install beta 1 DVD but LOTS of packages haven't been installed, so i have no O.S. anymore : ( <br><br>i hope you'll provide them soon, i would like to avoid to install mandriva :-)<br><br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+<br>
+<blockquote>
+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: misc@zarb.org<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 10.51<br>A: &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>Le mardi 19 avril 2011 à 10:22 +0200, marcello.anni@alice.it a écrit :<br>&gt; hi there, <br>&gt; <br>&gt; any news about the live cds? i'm in trouble, i tried to install beta 1 DVD <br>&gt; but LOTS of packages haven't been installed, so i have no O.S. anymore : ( <br><br>What do you mean by "lots of packages haven't been installed" ? <br>What is the issue exactly ?<br><br>-- <br>Michael Scherer<br><br><br></blockquote>i mean that the installation process failed to install a lot of packages so the system results unusable. i don't know how report this bug, if you have some ideas i'm ready to help you to fix this issue.<br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+<br>
+<blockquote>
+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: misc@zarb.org<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 10.51<br>A: &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>Le mardi 19 avril 2011 à 10:22 +0200, marcello.anni@alice.it a écrit :<br>&gt; hi there, <br>&gt; <br>&gt; any news about the live cds? i'm in trouble, i tried to install beta 1 DVD <br>&gt; but LOTS of packages haven't been installed, so i have no O.S. anymore : ( <br><br>What do you mean by "lots of packages haven't been installed" ? <br>What is the issue exactly ?<br><br>-- <br>Michael Scherer<br><br><br></blockquote>i mean that the installation process failed to install a lot of packages so the system results unusable. i don't know how report this bug, if you have some ideas i'm ready to help you to fix this issue.<br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: tvl83@gmx.de<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 11.19<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re:&nbsp; Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>Am 19.04.2011 11:10, schrieb marcello.anni@alice.it:<br>&gt; i mean that the installation process failed to install a lot of packages<br>&gt; so the system results unusable. i don't know how report this bug, if you<br>&gt; have some ideas i'm ready to help you to fix this issue.<br><br>Maybe the image is corrupt? Have you checked the MD5sum?<br>Or have there been problems with dependencies?<br><br>Thorsten<br><br></blockquote>no, i've checked the md5sum and it is not corrupt. i have made an installation from scratch (kde4 DE), there shouldn't be issues (or, this is what i thought). and in that installation step, i don't know either how to file a bug, other than telling you which packages haven't been installed.<br><br><br>Marcello<br>
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+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: tvl83@gmx.de<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 11.19<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re:&nbsp; Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>Am 19.04.2011 11:10, schrieb marcello.anni@alice.it:<br>&gt; i mean that the installation process failed to install a lot of packages<br>&gt; so the system results unusable. i don't know how report this bug, if you<br>&gt; have some ideas i'm ready to help you to fix this issue.<br><br>Maybe the image is corrupt? Have you checked the MD5sum?<br>Or have there been problems with dependencies?<br><br>Thorsten<br><br></blockquote>no, i've checked the md5sum and it is not corrupt. i have made an installation from scratch (kde4 DE), there shouldn't be issues (or, this is what i thought). and in that installation step, i don't know either how to file a bug, other than telling you which packages haven't been installed.<br><br><br>Marcello<br>
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+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: maarten.vanraes@gmail.com<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 21.09<br>A: &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re: R: Re: Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>Op dinsdag 19 april 2011 17:20:46 schreef marcello.anni@alice.it:<br>&gt; ----Messaggio originale----<br>&gt; Da: boklm@mars-attacks.org<br>&gt; Data: 19-apr-2011 11.36<br>&gt; A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>&gt; Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re:&nbsp; Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Tue, 19 Apr 2011, marcello.anni@alice.it wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; i mean that the installation process failed to install a lot of packages<br>&gt; &gt; so the system results unusable. i don't know how report this bug, if you<br>&gt; &gt; have some ideas i'm ready to help you to fix this issue.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Just open a bug report where you explain exactly what you did, and what<br>&gt; errors you saw. With a copy of error logs, or screenshot.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; a screenshot is impossible, because i suffer from this bug (both in<br>&gt; mandriva and mageia):<br>&gt; <br>&gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885<br>&gt; <br>&gt; who is the person who build the kernel? This way i can assigne this bug to<br>&gt; him<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; marcello<br><br>let triage team handle the assigning, it's their job to find the responsible <br>persons. perhaps it's not even the kernel problem<br><br></blockquote>i see you didn't read the bug report... if i can remove some work to triage team i think it's better for them, right?<br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: maarten.vanraes@gmail.com<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 21.09<br>A: &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re: R: Re: Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>Op dinsdag 19 april 2011 17:20:46 schreef marcello.anni@alice.it:<br>&gt; ----Messaggio originale----<br>&gt; Da: boklm@mars-attacks.org<br>&gt; Data: 19-apr-2011 11.36<br>&gt; A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>&gt; Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re:&nbsp; Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Tue, 19 Apr 2011, marcello.anni@alice.it wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; i mean that the installation process failed to install a lot of packages<br>&gt; &gt; so the system results unusable. i don't know how report this bug, if you<br>&gt; &gt; have some ideas i'm ready to help you to fix this issue.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Just open a bug report where you explain exactly what you did, and what<br>&gt; errors you saw. With a copy of error logs, or screenshot.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; a screenshot is impossible, because i suffer from this bug (both in<br>&gt; mandriva and mageia):<br>&gt; <br>&gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885<br>&gt; <br>&gt; who is the person who build the kernel? This way i can assigne this bug to<br>&gt; him<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; marcello<br><br>let triage team handle the assigning, it's their job to find the responsible <br>persons. perhaps it's not even the kernel problem<br><br></blockquote>i see you didn't read the bug report... if i can remove some work to triage team i think it's better for them, right?<br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: boklm@mars-attacks.org<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 11.36<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re:&nbsp; Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>On Tue, 19 Apr 2011, marcello.anni@alice.it wrote:<br><br>&gt; <br>&gt; i mean that the installation process failed to install a lot of packages so the system results unusable. i don't know how report this bug, if you have some ideas i'm ready to help you to fix this issue.<br><br>Just open a bug report where you explain exactly what you did, and what<br>errors you saw. With a copy of error logs, or screenshot.<br><br><br></blockquote>a screenshot is impossible, because i suffer from this bug (both in mandriva and mageia):<br><br>https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885<br><br>who is the person who build the kernel? This way i can assigne this bug to him <br><br><br>marcello<br>
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+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: boklm@mars-attacks.org<br>Data: 19-apr-2011 11.36<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re:&nbsp; Live CDs needed - disperate magician<br><br>On Tue, 19 Apr 2011, marcello.anni@alice.it wrote:<br><br>&gt; <br>&gt; i mean that the installation process failed to install a lot of packages so the system results unusable. i don't know how report this bug, if you have some ideas i'm ready to help you to fix this issue.<br><br>Just open a bug report where you explain exactly what you did, and what<br>errors you saw. With a copy of error logs, or screenshot.<br><br><br></blockquote>a screenshot is impossible, because i suffer from this bug (both in mandriva and mageia):<br><br>https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885<br><br>who is the person who build the kernel? This way i can assigne this bug to him <br><br><br>marcello<br>
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+Le 20 avr. 2011 17:10, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thierry Vignaud skrev 20.4.2011 18:07:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 20 April 2011 13:27, Anne nicolas&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Looks like last update of freeglut broke some deps. Can you check<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; please? ( I guess the last one who works on it was tv)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I don&#39;t know what error you got.<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve tried upgrading (urpmi keeps libmesaglut3)<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve tried replacing mesaglut by freeglut.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I cannot say much w/o seeing the actual error but maybe<br>
+&gt;&gt; adding lib64mesaglut3 to /etc/urpmi/prefer* may be enough?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe its this:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</a><br></p>
+<p>yes sorry I should have been more precise <br></p>
+<p>&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+Le 20 avr. 2011 17:10, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thierry Vignaud skrev 20.4.2011 18:07:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 20 April 2011 13:27, Anne nicolas&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Looks like last update of freeglut broke some deps. Can you check<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; please? ( I guess the last one who works on it was tv)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I don&#39;t know what error you got.<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve tried upgrading (urpmi keeps libmesaglut3)<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;ve tried replacing mesaglut by freeglut.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I cannot say much w/o seeing the actual error but maybe<br>
+&gt;&gt; adding lib64mesaglut3 to /etc/urpmi/prefer* may be enough?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe its this:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</a><br></p>
+<p>yes sorry I should have been more precise <br></p>
+<p>&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> magnus &lt;magnus.mud@googlemail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:11 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] QA before beta2 isos release<br></font><br>
+<div id="yiv1667725769"><br><br><div class="yiv1667725769gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Mahmut Bulut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com">mahmutbulut0@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="yiv1667725769gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I can handle QA Tests :)<div><div></div><div class="yiv1667725769h5"><br><br><div class="yiv1667725769gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="yiv1667725769gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As stated in previous meeting, we need to improve QA on isos before<br>
+uploading it on &nbsp;GTmirrors. If you are interested in it, please mail me<br>
+or join #mageia-qa on Freenode.<br>
+<br>
+We need volunteers from 21 to 25th of april. Please candidate only if<br>
+you can give some time. You can use real hardware or virtual machine<br>
+for tests. BW is needed to download first iso.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+http://www.mageia.org<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div>I think it's a good long weekend for testing.<div>When and where I can get the isos?</div><div><br></div><div>My machine: Nvidia 9800GT, Athlon 64 X2 6000+, ASUS M2N-E</div><div><br></div>
+<div>Magnus</div><div><br><br>I would love to test as well. <br><br>My machine: AMD HD5570, PhenomII 955 BE, MSI 785GT-E63, 8 GB Geil DDR2<br><br>Christopher <br></div>
+</div><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> magnus &lt;magnus.mud@googlemail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:11 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] QA before beta2 isos release<br></font><br>
+<div id="yiv1667725769"><br><br><div class="yiv1667725769gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Mahmut Bulut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com">mahmutbulut0@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="yiv1667725769gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I can handle QA Tests :)<div><div></div><div class="yiv1667725769h5"><br><br><div class="yiv1667725769gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="yiv1667725769gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As stated in previous meeting, we need to improve QA on isos before<br>
+uploading it on &nbsp;GTmirrors. If you are interested in it, please mail me<br>
+or join #mageia-qa on Freenode.<br>
+<br>
+We need volunteers from 21 to 25th of april. Please candidate only if<br>
+you can give some time. You can use real hardware or virtual machine<br>
+for tests. BW is needed to download first iso.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+http://www.mageia.org<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div>I think it's a good long weekend for testing.<div>When and where I can get the isos?</div><div><br></div><div>My machine: Nvidia 9800GT, Athlon 64 X2 6000+, ASUS M2N-E</div><div><br></div>
+<div>Magnus</div><div><br><br>I would love to test as well. <br><br>My machine: AMD HD5570, PhenomII 955 BE, MSI 785GT-E63, 8 GB Geil DDR2<br><br>Christopher <br></div>
+</div><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Mahmut Bulut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com">mahmutbulut0@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I can handle QA Tests :)<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As stated in previous meeting, we need to improve QA on isos before<br>
+uploading it on  GTmirrors. If you are interested in it, please mail me<br>
+or join #mageia-qa on Freenode.<br>
+<br>
+We need volunteers from 21 to 25th of april. Please candidate only if<br>
+you can give some time. You can use real hardware or virtual machine<br>
+for tests. BW is needed to download first iso.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div>I think it&#39;s a good long weekend for testing.<div>When and where I can get the isos?</div><div><br></div><div>My machine: Nvidia 9800GT, Athlon 64 X2 6000+, ASUS M2N-E</div><div><br></div>
+<div>Magnus</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Mahmut Bulut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com">mahmutbulut0@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I can handle QA Tests :)<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As stated in previous meeting, we need to improve QA on isos before<br>
+uploading it on  GTmirrors. If you are interested in it, please mail me<br>
+or join #mageia-qa on Freenode.<br>
+<br>
+We need volunteers from 21 to 25th of april. Please candidate only if<br>
+you can give some time. You can use real hardware or virtual machine<br>
+for tests. BW is needed to download first iso.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div>I think it&#39;s a good long weekend for testing.<div>When and where I can get the isos?</div><div><br></div><div>My machine: Nvidia 9800GT, Athlon 64 X2 6000+, ASUS M2N-E</div><div><br></div>
+<div>Magnus</div><div><br></div>
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+I can handle QA Tests :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As stated in previous meeting, we need to improve QA on isos before<br>
+uploading it on mirrors. If you are interested in it, please mail me<br>
+or join #mageia-qa on Freenode.<br>
+<br>
+We need volunteers from 21 to 25th of april. Please candidate only if<br>
+you can give some time. You can use real hardware or virtual machine<br>
+for tests. BW is needed to download first iso.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+I can handle QA Tests :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As stated in previous meeting, we need to improve QA on isos before<br>
+uploading it on mirrors. If you are interested in it, please mail me<br>
+or join #mageia-qa on Freenode.<br>
+<br>
+We need volunteers from 21 to 25th of april. Please candidate only if<br>
+you can give some time. You can use real hardware or virtual machine<br>
+for tests. BW is needed to download first iso.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote>
+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: ennael@mageia.org<br>Data: 22-apr-2011 13.50<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] looking for developer to create a packager to online update from mandriva to mageia<br><br>2011/4/22 marcello.anni@alice.it &lt;marcello.anni@alice.it&gt;:<br>&gt; hi,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; i'm looking for some developers/testers who are interested in creating a<br>&gt; simply rpm package that should installed in mandriva 2010.2 system (that<br>&gt; doesn't work in previous releases) that:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; - remove mandriva sources<br>&gt; - add mageia sources<br>&gt; - start mageiaupdate (or the equivalent of mandrivaonline)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; reference: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886<br>&gt;<br>&gt; possible implementation (quick proposal of tmb):<br>&gt;<br>&gt; * urpmi –auto-update path would be an online update<br>&gt;<br>&gt; * maybe a patched mdkonline could be provided too for separate download<br>&gt;<br>&gt; is there any person who is interested in it?&nbsp; thank you<br><br>Please stop this kind of mail... We are already preparing mdkonline on<br>that purpose. Wait for it to be ready<br><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; cheers,<br>&gt; Marcello<br>&gt;<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Anne<br>http://www.mageia.org<br><br></blockquote>i don't understand you, anne... wasn't you that told me:<br><pre class="bz_comment_text" id="comment_text_4"> "Find more people for it then. Otherwise wait for it to be ready"<br><br>i was only doing that. if mdkonline is in a preparation phase you should use: <br><br>"We are working on mdkonline adapted for this specific case", not 
+"We should use mdkonline adapted for this specific case", because this way i understand only a proposal, nothing concrete.<br><br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br></pre>
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+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote>
+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: ennael@mageia.org<br>Data: 22-apr-2011 13.50<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] looking for developer to create a packager to online update from mandriva to mageia<br><br>2011/4/22 marcello.anni@alice.it &lt;marcello.anni@alice.it&gt;:<br>&gt; hi,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; i'm looking for some developers/testers who are interested in creating a<br>&gt; simply rpm package that should installed in mandriva 2010.2 system (that<br>&gt; doesn't work in previous releases) that:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; - remove mandriva sources<br>&gt; - add mageia sources<br>&gt; - start mageiaupdate (or the equivalent of mandrivaonline)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; reference: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886<br>&gt;<br>&gt; possible implementation (quick proposal of tmb):<br>&gt;<br>&gt; * urpmi –auto-update path would be an online update<br>&gt;<br>&gt; * maybe a patched mdkonline could be provided too for separate download<br>&gt;<br>&gt; is there any person who is interested in it?&nbsp; thank you<br><br>Please stop this kind of mail... We are already preparing mdkonline on<br>that purpose. Wait for it to be ready<br><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; cheers,<br>&gt; Marcello<br>&gt;<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Anne<br>http://www.mageia.org<br><br></blockquote>i don't understand you, anne... wasn't you that told me:<br><pre class="bz_comment_text" id="comment_text_4"> "Find more people for it then. Otherwise wait for it to be ready"<br><br>i was only doing that. if mdkonline is in a preparation phase you should use: <br><br>"We are working on mdkonline adapted for this specific case", not 
+"We should use mdkonline adapted for this specific case", because this way i understand only a proposal, nothing concrete.<br><br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br></pre>
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+hi,<br><br>i'm looking for some developers/testers who are interested in creating a simply rpm package that should installed in mandriva 2010.2 system (that doesn't work in previous releases) that:
+<br><br>- remove mandriva sources
+<br>- add mageia sources
+<br>- start mageiaupdate (or the equivalent of mandrivaonline)
+<div class="level5">
+
+<p>
+reference: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886" class="urlextern" title="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886</a>
+</p>
+
+<p>
+possible implementation (quick proposal of tmb): 
+</p>
+
+<p>
+* urpmi –auto-update path would be an online update
+</p>
+
+<p>
+* maybe a patched mdkonline could be provided too for separate download
+
+</p>
+
+</div><br>is there any person who is interested in it?&nbsp; thank you<br><br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+hi,<br><br>i'm looking for some developers/testers who are interested in creating a simply rpm package that should installed in mandriva 2010.2 system (that doesn't work in previous releases) that:
+<br><br>- remove mandriva sources
+<br>- add mageia sources
+<br>- start mageiaupdate (or the equivalent of mandrivaonline)
+<div class="level5">
+
+<p>
+reference: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886" class="urlextern" title="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886</a>
+</p>
+
+<p>
+possible implementation (quick proposal of tmb): 
+</p>
+
+<p>
+* urpmi –auto-update path would be an online update
+</p>
+
+<p>
+* maybe a patched mdkonline could be provided too for separate download
+
+</p>
+
+</div><br>is there any person who is interested in it?&nbsp; thank you<br><br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote>
+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com<br>Data: 22-apr-2011 18.36<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re: looking for developer to create a packager to online update from mandriva to mageia<br><br><br>&gt; i was only doing that. if mdkonline is in a preparation phase you should<br>&gt; use:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; "We are working on mdkonline adapted for this specific case",<br><br>Which you should have guessed... since Mageia is using rpmdrake,<br>drakxtools, drakx-net... etc, after having been cleaned. :)<br><br>-- <br>Ahmad Samir<br><br></blockquote>i don't guess, i read and try to understand the meaning of what is written. i know one day a cleaned mdkonline will be ready, but i'm asking if we can do it in time for mageia 1 release, that is different.<br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote>
+----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com<br>Data: 22-apr-2011 18.36<br>A: "Mageia development mailing-list"&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Ogg: Re: [Mageia-dev] R: Re: looking for developer to create a packager to online update from mandriva to mageia<br><br><br>&gt; i was only doing that. if mdkonline is in a preparation phase you should<br>&gt; use:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; "We are working on mdkonline adapted for this specific case",<br><br>Which you should have guessed... since Mageia is using rpmdrake,<br>drakxtools, drakx-net... etc, after having been cleaned. :)<br><br>-- <br>Ahmad Samir<br><br></blockquote>i don't guess, i read and try to understand the meaning of what is written. i know one day a cleaned mdkonline will be ready, but i'm asking if we can do it in time for mageia 1 release, that is different.<br><br>cheers,<br>Marcello<br>
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+Hello Mages,<br><br>I need opnions about Mageia mirror in Brazil.<br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps"><br>My</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">question</span><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">: is it better</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">update the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">brazilian mirror</span><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps"></span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">via</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps"><a href="http://distro.ibiblio.org">distro.ibiblio.org</a></span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">(EUA based, 1GB bandwidth) or distrib</span><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="atn">-</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"><a href="http://coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr">coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr</a></span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"> (France based, 100MB bandwidth)?</span></span> It is true that ibiblio synchronizes only once a day?<br>
+<br>Thanks,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+Hello Mages,<br><br>I need opnions about Mageia mirror in Brazil.<br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps"><br>My</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">question</span><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">: is it better</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">update the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">brazilian mirror</span><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps"></span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">via</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps"><a href="http://distro.ibiblio.org">distro.ibiblio.org</a></span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">(EUA based, 1GB bandwidth) or distrib</span><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="atn">-</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"><a href="http://coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr">coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr</a></span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas"> (France based, 100MB bandwidth)?</span></span> It is true that ibiblio synchronizes only once a day?<br>
+<br>Thanks,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-15">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    -------- Message original --------
+    <table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellpadding="0"
+      cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Sujet: </th>
+          <td>New Widelands version</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Date : </th>
+          <td>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:40:03 +0200</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">De : </th>
+          <td>Peter Schwanemann <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
+              href="mailto:Peter@drehatlas.de">&lt;Peter@drehatlas.de&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Répondre
+            à : </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+              href="mailto:Peter@drehatlas.de">Peter@drehatlas.de</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Pour : </th>
+          <td>Emmanuel Andry <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
+              href="mailto:eandry@free.fr">&lt;eandry@free.fr&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>&gt;Hi Emmanuel,
+
+&gt;I just wanted to inform you, that we released Build16 of Widelands two 
+&gt;days ago. This release holds a security update, so please update the 
+&gt;Mageia rpm.
+
+&gt;Cheers
+&gt;Peter
+
+
+
+
+
+Hi there,
+
+
+
+if someone can handle this, I won't have time to do it. It's seems important, because of security issue.
+
+This mail comes from upstream widelands developer.
+
+
+
+Thanks! 
+</pre>
+  <BR>
+
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>---- Ce message a été analysé par le relais de messagerie Arkoon de la société Logic'all et ne contient aucun virus connu. ----<BR>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-15">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    -------- Message original --------
+    <table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellpadding="0"
+      cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Sujet: </th>
+          <td>New Widelands version</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Date : </th>
+          <td>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:40:03 +0200</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">De : </th>
+          <td>Peter Schwanemann <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
+              href="mailto:Peter@drehatlas.de">&lt;Peter@drehatlas.de&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Répondre
+            à : </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+              href="mailto:Peter@drehatlas.de">Peter@drehatlas.de</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Pour : </th>
+          <td>Emmanuel Andry <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
+              href="mailto:eandry@free.fr">&lt;eandry@free.fr&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>&gt;Hi Emmanuel,
+
+&gt;I just wanted to inform you, that we released Build16 of Widelands two 
+&gt;days ago. This release holds a security update, so please update the 
+&gt;Mageia rpm.
+
+&gt;Cheers
+&gt;Peter
+
+
+
+
+
+Hi there,
+
+
+
+if someone can handle this, I won't have time to do it. It's seems important, because of security issue.
+
+This mail comes from upstream widelands developer.
+
+
+
+Thanks! 
+</pre>
+  <BR>
+
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>---- Ce message a été analysé par le relais de messagerie Arkoon de la société Logic'all et ne contient aucun virus connu. ----<BR>
+</body>
+</html>
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+.Mondo: The version number in Mandriva is a little bit confusing.<div>2.29.3 belongs to 2.2.9.3 in the origin mondo repository.</div><div>There is version 2.2.9.6 actually (2011-04-13).</div><div>So the Mageia version 2.2.9.5 is near by</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Magnus </div>
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+.Mondo: The version number in Mandriva is a little bit confusing.<div>2.29.3 belongs to 2.2.9.3 in the origin mondo repository.</div><div>There is version 2.2.9.6 actually (2011-04-13).</div><div>So the Mageia version 2.2.9.5 is near by</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Magnus </div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/1 Bruno Cornec <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Bruno.Cornec@hp.com">Bruno.Cornec@hp.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5">Well, I thought that having a new distro was also the opportunity to</div></div>
+remove the mistakes made in the past.<br><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">So as the upstream of mondo, I&#39;d really like to see packages in Mageia<br>
+
+using the upstream versions, and not stick to the legacy of Mandriva<br>
+here.<br>
+<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Of course, for people updating that may create a problem, but not that<br>
+difficult to solve and could be documented on a wiki page as known and<br>
+justified incompatibilities.<br>
+<br>
+If we don&#39;t do it now, it will never be done :-(<br>
+Bruno.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with Bruno and so I think Mageia is on a good way :-) </div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/1 Bruno Cornec <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Bruno.Cornec@hp.com">Bruno.Cornec@hp.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5">Well, I thought that having a new distro was also the opportunity to</div></div>
+remove the mistakes made in the past.<br><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">So as the upstream of mondo, I&#39;d really like to see packages in Mageia<br>
+
+using the upstream versions, and not stick to the legacy of Mandriva<br>
+here.<br>
+<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Of course, for people updating that may create a problem, but not that<br>
+difficult to solve and could be documented on a wiki page as known and<br>
+justified incompatibilities.<br>
+<br>
+If we don&#39;t do it now, it will never be done :-(<br>
+Bruno.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with Bruno and so I think Mageia is on a good way :-) </div></div>
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+I am using Mageia Beta 2 on my notebook.<div>The audio device is recognised and function, with a little bug.</div><div><br></div><div><div>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)</div>
+<div>        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company dv6-1190en</div><div>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 49</div><div>        Memory at da100000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]</div><div>        Capabilities: &lt;access denied&gt;</div>
+<div>        Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel</div><div>        Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV710/730</div><div>        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company ATI RV710/730 [dv6-1190en]</div>
+<div>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 50</div><div>        Memory at da010000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]</div><div>        Capabilities: &lt;access denied&gt;</div><div>        Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel</div>
+<div>        Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel</div></div><div><br></div><div>The bug is that the control in the notebook to increase or decrease the volume controlled is ATI &quot;01:00.1 Audio device&quot;, but the sound is controlled by Intel &quot;00:1b.0 Audio device&quot;.</div>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Also the On/Off control is managing the wrong device.</div><div><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>
+Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+</div>
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+I am using Mageia Beta 2 on my notebook.<div>The audio device is recognised and function, with a little bug.</div><div><br></div><div><div>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)</div>
+<div>        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company dv6-1190en</div><div>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 49</div><div>        Memory at da100000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]</div><div>        Capabilities: &lt;access denied&gt;</div>
+<div>        Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel</div><div>        Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV710/730</div><div>        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company ATI RV710/730 [dv6-1190en]</div>
+<div>        Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 50</div><div>        Memory at da010000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]</div><div>        Capabilities: &lt;access denied&gt;</div><div>        Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel</div>
+<div>        Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel</div></div><div><br></div><div>The bug is that the control in the notebook to increase or decrease the volume controlled is ATI &quot;01:00.1 Audio device&quot;, but the sound is controlled by Intel &quot;00:1b.0 Audio device&quot;.</div>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Also the On/Off control is managing the wrong device.</div><div><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>
+Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+</div>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">could you please remember to notify the i18n team (or me), when you are commiting changes to pot files in svn?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Otherwise it's just added workload for me, having to look for those all the time and merging them into Tx.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">could you please remember to notify the i18n team (or me), when you are commiting changes to pot files in svn?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Otherwise it's just added workload for me, having to look for those all the time and merging them into Tx.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Rémi Verschelde &lt;rverschelde@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 03.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Typos in Control Center messages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;   -&gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=959</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Typo in the drakx message</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;   -&gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Typos in drakx-net messages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;   -&gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=961</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; These bugs are typos in the .pot files, and I don't think they</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; should be assigned to the translators. From what I understand, pot</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; files are automatically generated so I suppose that fixing them is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not really within reach of a translator. Who should these bugs be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; assigned to?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'll ask and reassign them.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Rémi Verschelde &lt;rverschelde@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 03.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Typos in Control Center messages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;   -&gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=959</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Typo in the drakx message</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;   -&gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Typos in drakx-net messages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;   -&gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=961</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; These bugs are typos in the .pot files, and I don't think they</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; should be assigned to the translators. From what I understand, pot</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; files are automatically generated so I suppose that fixing them is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not really within reach of a translator. Who should these bugs be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; assigned to?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'll ask and reassign them.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 03.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please stop doing that.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You're destroying correct translations.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You should have run &quot;perl -pi -e 's/sertificate/certificate/&quot; on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the *.po instead</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; of fuzzying the translations.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Now every translator will have to check what was the change that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; broke the translation...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Fixing those things must be done on Transifex side and I will do that. If you do it on svn side I just have to do it again, before uploading the vhanges to Tx.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But I did break a few files and am about fixing them.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 03.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please stop doing that.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You're destroying correct translations.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You should have run &quot;perl -pi -e 's/sertificate/certificate/&quot; on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the *.po instead</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; of fuzzying the translations.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Now every translator will have to check what was the change that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; broke the translation...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Fixing those things must be done on Transifex side and I will do that. If you do it on svn side I just have to do it again, before uploading the vhanges to Tx.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But I did break a few files and am about fixing them.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 03.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; IMHO &quot;make merge&quot; should only be run by developers when actually</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; adding/deleting/changing lines which was not the case here.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I was told on IRC I could doit myself and I only did what I was told.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In the future I will just make noise in bugzilla and wait for someone else to do it.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">My 2 cents.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 03.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; IMHO &quot;make merge&quot; should only be run by developers when actually</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; adding/deleting/changing lines which was not the case here.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I was told on IRC I could doit myself and I only did what I was told.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In the future I will just make noise in bugzilla and wait for someone else to do it.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">My 2 cents.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 03.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Olivier, you're welcome to continue.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That's just peer reviewing so that such mistakes won't be done</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; again.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Everybody can make mistakes.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Have a nice evening</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I see your reasoning about some mistakes I made. The worst one was commiting those broken (aka empty) files.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And I will be happy to learn how to handle things better in the future.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But since - if I don't see this totally wrong - most of the teams are using Tx - and I have to merge those string changes there again, I thought I could reduce the work.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Let's not develop this into a serious problem, since it is not. So let's all get back to work - me having learned something new again.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 03.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Olivier, you're welcome to continue.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That's just peer reviewing so that such mistakes won't be done</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; again.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Everybody can make mistakes.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Have a nice evening</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I see your reasoning about some mistakes I made. The worst one was commiting those broken (aka empty) files.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And I will be happy to learn how to handle things better in the future.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But since - if I don't see this totally wrong - most of the teams are using Tx - and I have to merge those string changes there again, I thought I could reduce the work.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Let's not develop this into a serious problem, since it is not. So let's all get back to work - me having learned something new again.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/4 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/5/4  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Revision 1100 Author olorin Date 2011-05-04 14:44:44 +0200 (Wed, 04 May<br>
+&gt; 2011)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Updated translation.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Modified Paths<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; rpmdrake/trunk/po/nb.po<br>
+<br>
+</div>(...)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; -# translation of nb.po to Norwegian Bokmål<br>
+&gt; -# translation of nb.po to<br>
+&gt; -#<br>
+&gt; -# Latest versions of po files are at<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.com/l10n/no.php3" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux.com/l10n/no.php3</a><br>
+&gt; -#<br>
+&gt; -# Copyright (C) 1999, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 Free Software<br>
+&gt; Foundation, Inc.<br>
+&gt; -# Copyright (C) 1999 Mandriva<br>
+&gt; -# Olav Dahlum &lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; -# Terje Bjerkelia &lt;<a href="mailto:terje@bjerkelia.com">terje@bjerkelia.com</a>&gt;, 1999-2000.<br>
+&gt; -# Per Øyvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@sintrax.net">peroyvind@sintrax.net</a>&gt;, 2003, 2004.<br>
+&gt; -# Eskild Hustvedt &lt;<a href="mailto:zerodogg@skolelinux.no">zerodogg@skolelinux.no</a>&gt;, 2005.<br>
+&gt; -# Per Øyvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@linux-mandrake.com">peroyvind@linux-mandrake.com</a>&gt;, 2005.<br>
+&gt; -# Per Øyvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:pkarlsen@mandriva.com">pkarlsen@mandriva.com</a>&gt;, 2005, 2006.<br>
+&gt; -# Per Øyvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>&gt;, 2007.<br>
+&gt; -# Keld Simonsen &lt;<a href="mailto:keld@dkuug.dk">keld@dkuug.dk</a>&gt;, 2007, 2009.<br>
+&gt; -# Olav Dahlum &lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;, 2009, 2010.<br>
+&gt; +# SOME DESCRIPTIVE TITLE.<br>
+&gt; +# Copyright (C) YEAR Free Software Foundation, Inc.<br>
+&gt; +# FIRST AUTHOR &lt;EMAIL@ADDRESS&gt;, YEAR.<br>
+&gt; +#<br>
+<br>
+</div>This is wrong!<br>
+You cannot remove reference to previous translators like this.<br>
+They did work on it and there&#39;re still translated strings from them<br>
+(at least from the later ones).<br>
+This is not right/ethical.<br>
+<br>
+Please add them back.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>It&#39;s as Transifex does, isn&#39;t it?</div><div><br></div>
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+2011/5/4  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Revision 1100 Author olorin Date 2011-05-04 14:44:44 +0200 (Wed, 04 May<br>
+&gt; 2011)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Updated translation.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Modified Paths<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; rpmdrake/trunk/po/nb.po<br>
+<br>
+</div>(...)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; -# translation of nb.po to Norwegian Bokmål<br>
+&gt; -# translation of nb.po to<br>
+&gt; -#<br>
+&gt; -# Latest versions of po files are at<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.com/l10n/no.php3" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux.com/l10n/no.php3</a><br>
+&gt; -#<br>
+&gt; -# Copyright (C) 1999, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 Free Software<br>
+&gt; Foundation, Inc.<br>
+&gt; -# Copyright (C) 1999 Mandriva<br>
+&gt; -# Olav Dahlum &lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; -# Terje Bjerkelia &lt;<a href="mailto:terje@bjerkelia.com">terje@bjerkelia.com</a>&gt;, 1999-2000.<br>
+&gt; -# Per Øyvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@sintrax.net">peroyvind@sintrax.net</a>&gt;, 2003, 2004.<br>
+&gt; -# Eskild Hustvedt &lt;<a href="mailto:zerodogg@skolelinux.no">zerodogg@skolelinux.no</a>&gt;, 2005.<br>
+&gt; -# Per Øyvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@linux-mandrake.com">peroyvind@linux-mandrake.com</a>&gt;, 2005.<br>
+&gt; -# Per Øyvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:pkarlsen@mandriva.com">pkarlsen@mandriva.com</a>&gt;, 2005, 2006.<br>
+&gt; -# Per Øyvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>&gt;, 2007.<br>
+&gt; -# Keld Simonsen &lt;<a href="mailto:keld@dkuug.dk">keld@dkuug.dk</a>&gt;, 2007, 2009.<br>
+&gt; -# Olav Dahlum &lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;, 2009, 2010.<br>
+&gt; +# SOME DESCRIPTIVE TITLE.<br>
+&gt; +# Copyright (C) YEAR Free Software Foundation, Inc.<br>
+&gt; +# FIRST AUTHOR &lt;EMAIL@ADDRESS&gt;, YEAR.<br>
+&gt; +#<br>
+<br>
+</div>This is wrong!<br>
+You cannot remove reference to previous translators like this.<br>
+They did work on it and there&#39;re still translated strings from them<br>
+(at least from the later ones).<br>
+This is not right/ethical.<br>
+<br>
+Please add them back.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>It&#39;s as Transifex does, isn&#39;t it?</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/4 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le mercredi 04 mai 2011 à 10:44 +0800, You-Cheng Hsieh a écrit :<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The popular alternative input method in Taiwan, gcin, just released<br>
+&gt; 1.6.2 recently.<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~cp76/gcin/download/" target="_blank">http://www.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~cp76/gcin/download/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The same package of Cauldron is 1.5.6, which has no critical problem<br>
+&gt; but gcin author makes lots of improvements and bugfixes during these<br>
+&gt; months. I sincerely hope that a newer stable version could be included<br>
+&gt; in the first Mageia release.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Hi,<br>
+<br>
+What kind of improvement ?<br>
+Does it requires changes in some others packages ( ie new options,<br>
+deprecated options, packages to rebuild ) ?<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><div>AFAIK, there should be no new dependency to resolve.</div><div><br></div><div>But the changelog of GCIN haven&#39;t been maintained for a long time (still at 1.5.9),</div><div><br></div><div>
+by surfing through the GCIN forum, there&#39;s a new important function: On-Screen Keyboard.</div><div><br></div><div>Completely build-in, so should be more useful for inputing, especially for tablet.</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/4 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le mercredi 04 mai 2011 à 10:44 +0800, You-Cheng Hsieh a écrit :<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The popular alternative input method in Taiwan, gcin, just released<br>
+&gt; 1.6.2 recently.<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~cp76/gcin/download/" target="_blank">http://www.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~cp76/gcin/download/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The same package of Cauldron is 1.5.6, which has no critical problem<br>
+&gt; but gcin author makes lots of improvements and bugfixes during these<br>
+&gt; months. I sincerely hope that a newer stable version could be included<br>
+&gt; in the first Mageia release.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Hi,<br>
+<br>
+What kind of improvement ?<br>
+Does it requires changes in some others packages ( ie new options,<br>
+deprecated options, packages to rebuild ) ?<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><div>AFAIK, there should be no new dependency to resolve.</div><div><br></div><div>But the changelog of GCIN haven&#39;t been maintained for a long time (still at 1.5.9),</div><div><br></div><div>
+by surfing through the GCIN forum, there&#39;s a new important function: On-Screen Keyboard.</div><div><br></div><div>Completely build-in, so should be more useful for inputing, especially for tablet.</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/2 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/5/2 Stefano Negro &lt;<a href="mailto:stblack@gmail.com">stblack@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; I am using Mageia Beta 2 on my notebook.<br>
+&gt; The audio device is recognised and function, with a little bug.<br><br>
+&gt; Also the On/Off control is managing the wrong device.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I had the same problem with a nvidia sound chip. The solution for me:<br>
+Right click on the kmix symbol (in KDE) and select &quot;Main channel<br>
+selection&quot; (or similar in English). Then I see a small dialogue where<br>
+I can change between &quot;Internal Audio Analog Stereo&quot; and &quot;High<br>
+Definition Audio Controller (HDMI)&quot;. Selecting &quot;internal&quot; solved the<br>
+problem.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes! Done and solved. Now the slide volume is managing the right device and the on-off is working, but the off it&#39;s not changing the led color from green to red.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks. </div></div><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/2 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/5/2 Stefano Negro &lt;<a href="mailto:stblack@gmail.com">stblack@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; I am using Mageia Beta 2 on my notebook.<br>
+&gt; The audio device is recognised and function, with a little bug.<br><br>
+&gt; Also the On/Off control is managing the wrong device.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I had the same problem with a nvidia sound chip. The solution for me:<br>
+Right click on the kmix symbol (in KDE) and select &quot;Main channel<br>
+selection&quot; (or similar in English). Then I see a small dialogue where<br>
+I can change between &quot;Internal Audio Analog Stereo&quot; and &quot;High<br>
+Definition Audio Controller (HDMI)&quot;. Selecting &quot;internal&quot; solved the<br>
+problem.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes! Done and solved. Now the slide volume is managing the right device and the on-off is working, but the off it&#39;s not changing the led color from green to red.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks. </div></div><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 04.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is wrong!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You cannot remove reference to previous translators like this.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; They did work on it and there're still translated strings from them</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (at least from the later ones).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is not right/ethical.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please add them back.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi Thierry,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">this is a general problem with Tx. Fedora faces the same thing and it is in the Tx ticket system.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It was discussed on the i18n ml and in the i18n meetings, so please don't call &quot;my&quot; translators &quot;unethical&quot;.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">FYI: I have all the po/pot files stored away before they were uploaded into Tx and as soon as it is resolved upstream we will put the translator lists back into them.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 04.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is wrong!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You cannot remove reference to previous translators like this.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; They did work on it and there're still translated strings from them</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (at least from the later ones).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is not right/ethical.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please add them back.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi Thierry,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">this is a general problem with Tx. Fedora faces the same thing and it is in the Tx ticket system.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It was discussed on the i18n ml and in the i18n meetings, so please don't call &quot;my&quot; translators &quot;unethical&quot;.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">FYI: I have all the po/pot files stored away before they were uploaded into Tx and as soon as it is resolved upstream we will put the translator lists back into them.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+Thanks professor Carlos, it is very important to Mageia distribution in Brazil and Latin-America.<br><br>I am redirecting this e-mail to Mageia-DEV maillist too.<br><br>Please Magers, <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">help</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">with</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">registration</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">of the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">Mageia brazilian</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">mirror</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">.</span></span><br>
+<br>Cheers,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/3 Carlos Carvalho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:carlos@fisica.ufpr.br">carlos@fisica.ufpr.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I&#39;ve registered our mirror in the database on April 28. It&#39;s ready and<br>
+up-to-date. The addresses are:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br</a><br>
+<a href="ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+rsync://<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+I request access to the master <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a>. For the<br>
+initialization I used Jussieu but we want to be tier 1 and update from<br>
+the master directly.<br>
+<br>
+The mirror machine is <a href="http://sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br</a>. We prefer that you give rsync<br>
+access to the name; if it&#39;s not possible the IPs are<br>
+200.236.31.1 and 2801:82:80ff:8000::2<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+Thanks professor Carlos, it is very important to Mageia distribution in Brazil and Latin-America.<br><br>I am redirecting this e-mail to Mageia-DEV maillist too.<br><br>Please Magers, <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">help</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">with</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">registration</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">of the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">Mageia brazilian</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas" class="hps">mirror</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar traduções alternativas">.</span></span><br>
+<br>Cheers,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/3 Carlos Carvalho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:carlos@fisica.ufpr.br">carlos@fisica.ufpr.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I&#39;ve registered our mirror in the database on April 28. It&#39;s ready and<br>
+up-to-date. The addresses are:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br</a><br>
+<a href="ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+rsync://<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+I request access to the master <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a>. For the<br>
+initialization I used Jussieu but we want to be tier 1 and update from<br>
+the master directly.<br>
+<br>
+The mirror machine is <a href="http://sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br</a>. We prefer that you give rsync<br>
+access to the name; if it&#39;s not possible the IPs are<br>
+200.236.31.1 and 2801:82:80ff:8000::2<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 04.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 4 May 2011 15:54, Oliver Burger &lt;oliver.bgr@googlemail.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; FYI: I have all the po/pot files stored away before they were</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; uploaded into Tx and as soon as it is resolved upstream we will</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; put the translator lists back into them.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Or we could just put all of them in some AUTHORS file:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I thought about that as well and rereading the ticket at Tx, I think it's the best idea.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I will set this on the agenda of tomorrow's meeting.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 4 May 2011 15:54, Oliver Burger &lt;oliver.bgr@googlemail.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; FYI: I have all the po/pot files stored away before they were</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; uploaded into Tx and as soon as it is resolved upstream we will</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; put the translator lists back into them.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Or we could just put all of them in some AUTHORS file:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I thought about that as well and rereading the ticket at Tx, I think it's the best idea.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I will set this on the agenda of tomorrow's meeting.</p>
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+The most important packages :D<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/6 nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 06 May 2011, Thierry Vignaud wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please push alienarena &amp; alienarena-data<br>
+<br>
+</div>Done.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>Lukas Baron<br><br>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>in medias res Gesellschaft für Informationstechnologie mbH<br>79100 Freiburg, Schwimmbadstr. 2<br>
+Telefon +49 761 705 798 - 0<br>Direkt -113,  Fax -09<br><a href="http://www.webgis.de" target="_blank">http://www.webgis.de</a><br>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>Geschäftsführer: Stefan Giese, Dr. Christof Lindenbeck<br>
+Eingetragen im Handelsregister HRB 5930 beim Amtsgericht Freiburg<br>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
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+The most important packages :D<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/6 nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 06 May 2011, Thierry Vignaud wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please push alienarena &amp; alienarena-data<br>
+<br>
+</div>Done.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>Lukas Baron<br><br>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>in medias res Gesellschaft für Informationstechnologie mbH<br>79100 Freiburg, Schwimmbadstr. 2<br>
+Telefon +49 761 705 798 - 0<br>Direkt -113,  Fax -09<br><a href="http://www.webgis.de" target="_blank">http://www.webgis.de</a><br>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>Geschäftsführer: Stefan Giese, Dr. Christof Lindenbeck<br>
+Eingetragen im Handelsregister HRB 5930 beim Amtsgericht Freiburg<br>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br>
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+Hi there,<br><br>will one of the Mindmapping tools be available in Mageia 1? I searched for one last week but didn&#39;t find it. Can someone take care of that?<br>It doesn&#39;t matter if it comes before or after release (I think after would be better because the priority isn&#39;t so high of this program).<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Remco Rijnders &lt;remco@webconquest.com&gt; schrieb am 08.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; While working on translating some of the files, I noticed that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; drakx/perl-install/install/share/po/DrakX.pot and some of the .po</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; files in svn are out of sync with each other. For example, de.po</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and nl.po miss the first translatable string that is in the .pot</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; file. For fr.po this doesn't seem to be the case.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Does anyone have any idea as to the cause of this and, more</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; importantly, how to fix this? I'm not sure as to how many of the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; languages have this issue.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The translations on transifex do seem to be based on the right pot</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; file.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Oliver suggested I'd write to this list to get help with this.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sorry, I was afk for some hours due to &quot;mother's day&quot;.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think those languages that are correct, were already recommited from Tx, since the resource in Tx does contain those strings, so there must have been some issue with updating the po files, when the new strings were added.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">How can this be fixed, without wrecking those po files which are already correct?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Remco Rijnders &lt;remco@webconquest.com&gt; schrieb am 08.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; While working on translating some of the files, I noticed that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; drakx/perl-install/install/share/po/DrakX.pot and some of the .po</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; files in svn are out of sync with each other. For example, de.po</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and nl.po miss the first translatable string that is in the .pot</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; file. For fr.po this doesn't seem to be the case.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Does anyone have any idea as to the cause of this and, more</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; importantly, how to fix this? I'm not sure as to how many of the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; languages have this issue.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The translations on transifex do seem to be based on the right pot</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; file.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Oliver suggested I'd write to this list to get help with this.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sorry, I was afk for some hours due to &quot;mother's day&quot;.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think those languages that are correct, were already recommited from Tx, since the resource in Tx does contain those strings, so there must have been some issue with updating the po files, when the new strings were added.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">How can this be fixed, without wrecking those po files which are already correct?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Andres Kaaber <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+By mcc you mean harddrake? May be (k)networkmanager recognizes it?<br>
+<br>
+<div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>Installed networkmanager. How can I set that the default is no more draknetcenter and is networkmanager  ?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5">
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div><font color="#888888">--<br>
+A. Kaaber<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Andres Kaaber <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+By mcc you mean harddrake? May be (k)networkmanager recognizes it?<br>
+<br>
+<div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>Installed networkmanager. How can I set that the default is no more draknetcenter and is networkmanager  ?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5">
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div><font color="#888888">--<br>
+A. Kaaber<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 James Kerr <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk">jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 09/05/11 10:28, Stefano Negro wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
+Under mcc it&#39;s not recognized, no 3g modem found.<br>
+Is there any workaround to get configured?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+&quot;Eject&quot; the CDROM device (for example in dolphin or nautilus places panel). It should then be recognised as a modem. (This has worked for me and for others.)<br>
+<br>
+Jim<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Thanks, but it&#39;s recognized in haddrake as usb storage, but not mounted or displayed in dolphin.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 James Kerr <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk">jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 09/05/11 10:28, Stefano Negro wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
+Under mcc it&#39;s not recognized, no 3g modem found.<br>
+Is there any workaround to get configured?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+&quot;Eject&quot; the CDROM device (for example in dolphin or nautilus places panel). It should then be recognised as a modem. (This has worked for me and for others.)<br>
+<br>
+Jim<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Thanks, but it&#39;s recognized in haddrake as usb storage, but not mounted or displayed in dolphin.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Andres Kaaber <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+By mcc you mean harddrake? May be (k)networkmanager recognizes it?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I mean using the configure new network interfaces -&gt;GPRS/Edge/3G</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+2011/5/9 Stefano Negro &lt;<a href="mailto:stblack@gmail.com">stblack@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+</div></div><font color="#888888">--<br>
+A. Kaaber<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>harddrake see my ZTE mf627 as a usb pen.<div>I believe is usb_modeswitch that is not well identifying it.<br><div><br></div><div><div>Identificazione</div><div>Marca: ‎ZTE,Incorporated</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Descrizione: ‎ZTE CDMA Technologies MSM</div><div><br></div><div>Classe dei supporti: ‎Mass Storage|SCSI|Bulk (Zip)</div><div><br></div><div>Connessione</div><div>Bus: ‎USB</div><div><br></div><div>Bus PCI n°: ‎5</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Dispositivo PCI n°: ‎7</div><div><br></div><div>ID della marca: ‎0x19d2</div><div><br></div><div>ID del dispositivo: ‎0x2000</div><div><br></div><div>Altri</div><div>Modulo: ‎usb_storage</div><div><br>
+</div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">I am not using (k)networkmanager.</div><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Andres Kaaber <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+By mcc you mean harddrake? May be (k)networkmanager recognizes it?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I mean using the configure new network interfaces -&gt;GPRS/Edge/3G</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+2011/5/9 Stefano Negro &lt;<a href="mailto:stblack@gmail.com">stblack@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+</div></div><font color="#888888">--<br>
+A. Kaaber<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>harddrake see my ZTE mf627 as a usb pen.<div>I believe is usb_modeswitch that is not well identifying it.<br><div><br></div><div><div>Identificazione</div><div>Marca: ‎ZTE,Incorporated</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Descrizione: ‎ZTE CDMA Technologies MSM</div><div><br></div><div>Classe dei supporti: ‎Mass Storage|SCSI|Bulk (Zip)</div><div><br></div><div>Connessione</div><div>Bus: ‎USB</div><div><br></div><div>Bus PCI n°: ‎5</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Dispositivo PCI n°: ‎7</div><div><br></div><div>ID della marca: ‎0x19d2</div><div><br></div><div>ID del dispositivo: ‎0x2000</div><div><br></div><div>Altri</div><div>Modulo: ‎usb_storage</div><div><br>
+</div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">I am not using (k)networkmanager.</div><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+2011/5/9 Thibaut FRANCOIS &lt;<a href="mailto:thibautf@gmail.com">thibautf@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I did an update from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia (about two weeks ago).<br>
+&gt; Today after my update I had this error about amarok :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; L&#39;installation a échoué :       le fichier<br>
+&gt;&gt; /usr/lib64/libampache_account_login.so de l&#39;installation de<br>
+&gt;&gt; amarok-3:2.4.1-0.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage<br>
+&gt;&gt; lib64ampache_account-3:2.4.0-1mdv2010.2.x86_64<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It seems an old mandriva package led to that error.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Are you using Mandriva official packages or MIB one?<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+</div></blockquote><div><br>Good question... I don&#39;t remember if I updated Amarok from MIB...<br>In the history of the package I found this:<br><br>        * dim. janv. 16 2011 John Balcaen &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mandriva.org">mikala@mandriva.org</a>&gt; 3:2.4.0-1mdv2010.2<br>
+
+        - Update to amarok 2.4<br>        <br>        * mar. déc. 07 2010 John Balcaen &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mandriva.org">mikala@mandriva.org</a>&gt; 3:2.3.90-1.1mdv2010.1<br>        - Add libofa-devel as BR<br>        - Add ffmpeg-devel as BR<br>
+
+        <br>        * mar. déc. 07 2010 John Balcaen &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mandriva.org">mikala@mandriva.org</a>&gt; 3:2.3.90-1mdv2010.1<br>        - Update to amarok 2.4 beta1<br>        - disable patch0002,patch0003<br>
+
+<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">&gt; Regards<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2011/5/8 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2011/5/8 Balcaen John &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Could you please push amarok 2.4.1 final<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; We were using 2.4.1 beta 1.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; done<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>--<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+2011/5/9 Thibaut FRANCOIS &lt;<a href="mailto:thibautf@gmail.com">thibautf@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I did an update from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia (about two weeks ago).<br>
+&gt; Today after my update I had this error about amarok :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; L&#39;installation a échoué :       le fichier<br>
+&gt;&gt; /usr/lib64/libampache_account_login.so de l&#39;installation de<br>
+&gt;&gt; amarok-3:2.4.1-0.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage<br>
+&gt;&gt; lib64ampache_account-3:2.4.0-1mdv2010.2.x86_64<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It seems an old mandriva package led to that error.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Are you using Mandriva official packages or MIB one?<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+</div></blockquote><div><br>Good question... I don&#39;t remember if I updated Amarok from MIB...<br>In the history of the package I found this:<br><br>        * dim. janv. 16 2011 John Balcaen &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mandriva.org">mikala@mandriva.org</a>&gt; 3:2.4.0-1mdv2010.2<br>
+
+        - Update to amarok 2.4<br>        <br>        * mar. déc. 07 2010 John Balcaen &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mandriva.org">mikala@mandriva.org</a>&gt; 3:2.3.90-1.1mdv2010.1<br>        - Add libofa-devel as BR<br>        - Add ffmpeg-devel as BR<br>
+
+        <br>        * mar. déc. 07 2010 John Balcaen &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mandriva.org">mikala@mandriva.org</a>&gt; 3:2.3.90-1mdv2010.1<br>        - Update to amarok 2.4 beta1<br>        - disable patch0002,patch0003<br>
+
+<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">&gt; Regards<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2011/5/8 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2011/5/8 Balcaen John &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Could you please push amarok 2.4.1 final<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; We were using 2.4.1 beta 1.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; done<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>--<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Ok problem solved. After installing updates I can find freemind in the repos (list was too old i think)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">On 9 May 2011 10:04, Daniel Kreuter &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Strange, when searching for one of them i don&#39;t find one.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Only vym is in the repository.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Manuel Hiebel &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel%2Bml@hiebel.eu">manuel+ml@hiebel.eu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le dimanche 08 mai 2011 à 09:37 +0200, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi there,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; will one of the Mindmapping tools be available in Mageia 1? I searched<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; for one last week but didn&#39;t find it. Can someone take care of that?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; It doesn&#39;t matter if it comes before or after release (I think after<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; would be better because the priority isn&#39;t so high of this program).<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Greetings<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Daniel Kreuter<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi, there are: freemind, semantik and vym<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Manuel Hiebel<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Greetings<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Daniel Kreuter<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Freemind was only submitted 1-2 days ago, so just make sure the urpmi<br>
+database on your box in up-to-date.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Ok problem solved. After installing updates I can find freemind in the repos (list was too old i think)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">On 9 May 2011 10:04, Daniel Kreuter &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Strange, when searching for one of them i don&#39;t find one.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Only vym is in the repository.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Manuel Hiebel &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel%2Bml@hiebel.eu">manuel+ml@hiebel.eu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le dimanche 08 mai 2011 à 09:37 +0200, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi there,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; will one of the Mindmapping tools be available in Mageia 1? I searched<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; for one last week but didn&#39;t find it. Can someone take care of that?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; It doesn&#39;t matter if it comes before or after release (I think after<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; would be better because the priority isn&#39;t so high of this program).<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Greetings<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Daniel Kreuter<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi, there are: freemind, semantik and vym<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Manuel Hiebel<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Greetings<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Daniel Kreuter<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Freemind was only submitted 1-2 days ago, so just make sure the urpmi<br>
+database on your box in up-to-date.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Strange, when searching for one of them i don&#39;t find one. <br><br>Only vym is in the repository.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Manuel Hiebel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:manuel%2Bml@hiebel.eu">manuel+ml@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Le dimanche 08 mai 2011 à 09:37 +0200, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :<br>
+&gt; Hi there,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; will one of the Mindmapping tools be available in Mageia 1? I searched<br>
+&gt; for one last week but didn&#39;t find it. Can someone take care of that?<br>
+&gt; It doesn&#39;t matter if it comes before or after release (I think after<br>
+&gt; would be better because the priority isn&#39;t so high of this program).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Greetings<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Daniel Kreuter<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+Hi, there are: freemind, semantik and vym<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850</a><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Manuel Hiebel<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Strange, when searching for one of them i don&#39;t find one. <br><br>Only vym is in the repository.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Manuel Hiebel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:manuel%2Bml@hiebel.eu">manuel+ml@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Le dimanche 08 mai 2011 à 09:37 +0200, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :<br>
+&gt; Hi there,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; will one of the Mindmapping tools be available in Mageia 1? I searched<br>
+&gt; for one last week but didn&#39;t find it. Can someone take care of that?<br>
+&gt; It doesn&#39;t matter if it comes before or after release (I think after<br>
+&gt; would be better because the priority isn&#39;t so high of this program).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Greetings<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Daniel Kreuter<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+Hi, there are: freemind, semantik and vym<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850</a><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Manuel Hiebel<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Hi<div>I am trying to install my 3G usb pen modem.</div><div>It is recognized :</div><div><br></div><div><div>usb 5-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5</div><div>usb 5-3: New USB device found, idVendor=19d2, idProduct=2000</div>
+<div>usb 5-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=1, SerialNumber=3</div><div>usb 5-3: Product: ZTE CDMA Technologies MSM</div><div>usb 5-3: Manufacturer: ZTE,Incorporated</div><div>usb 5-3: SerialNumber: 3AUP673A4CDROMMS</div>
+<div>scsi5 : usb-storage 5-3:1.0</div><div>scsi 5:0:0:0: CD-ROM            ZTE      USB SCSI CD-ROM  2.31 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2</div><div>sr0: scsi-1 drive</div><div>sr 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0</div><div>sr 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 5</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Under mcc it&#39;s not recognized, no 3g modem found.</div><div>Is there any workaround to get configured?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Stblack<br>
+</div>
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+Hi<div>I am trying to install my 3G usb pen modem.</div><div>It is recognized :</div><div><br></div><div><div>usb 5-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5</div><div>usb 5-3: New USB device found, idVendor=19d2, idProduct=2000</div>
+<div>usb 5-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=1, SerialNumber=3</div><div>usb 5-3: Product: ZTE CDMA Technologies MSM</div><div>usb 5-3: Manufacturer: ZTE,Incorporated</div><div>usb 5-3: SerialNumber: 3AUP673A4CDROMMS</div>
+<div>scsi5 : usb-storage 5-3:1.0</div><div>scsi 5:0:0:0: CD-ROM            ZTE      USB SCSI CD-ROM  2.31 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2</div><div>sr0: scsi-1 drive</div><div>sr 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0</div><div>sr 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 5</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Under mcc it&#39;s not recognized, no 3g modem found.</div><div>Is there any workaround to get configured?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Stblack<br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le lundi 9 mai 2011 07:24:34, Stefano Negro a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; 2011/5/9 Andres Kaaber &lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; By mcc you mean harddrake? May be (k)networkmanager recognizes it?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Installed networkmanager. How can I set that the default is no more<br>
+&gt; draknetcenter and is networkmanager  ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>If you want to use only networkmanager (&amp; only this one)<br>
+you need to<br>
+1) Remove the ifcfg-mdv entrie in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf<br>
+to have something like<br>
+[main]<br>
+plugins=keyfile<br>
+2) Remove/disable all interface in draknetcenter on boot<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Thanks, but also networkmanager don&#39;t see the mf627.<div>How can I give usb_modeswitch command manually?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le lundi 9 mai 2011 07:24:34, Stefano Negro a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; 2011/5/9 Andres Kaaber &lt;<a href="mailto:andres.kaaber@gmail.com">andres.kaaber@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; By mcc you mean harddrake? May be (k)networkmanager recognizes it?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Installed networkmanager. How can I set that the default is no more<br>
+&gt; draknetcenter and is networkmanager  ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>If you want to use only networkmanager (&amp; only this one)<br>
+you need to<br>
+1) Remove the ifcfg-mdv entrie in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf<br>
+to have something like<br>
+[main]<br>
+plugins=keyfile<br>
+2) Remove/disable all interface in draknetcenter on boot<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Thanks, but also networkmanager don&#39;t see the mf627.<div>How can I give usb_modeswitch command manually?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+</div>
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+Hello,<br><br>I did an update from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia (about two weeks ago).<br>Today after my update I had this error about amarok :<br><br><blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
+
+L&#39;installation a échoué :       le fichier /usr/lib64/libampache_account_login.so de l&#39;installation de amarok-3:2.4.1-0.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage lib64ampache_account-3:2.4.0-1mdv2010.2.x86_64<br>
+
+</blockquote><br>It seems an old mandriva package led to that error.<br><br>Regards<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/8 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">2011/5/8 Balcaen John &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Could you please push amarok 2.4.1 final<br>
+&gt; We were using 2.4.1 beta 1.<br>
+<br>
+</div>done<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>I did an update from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia (about two weeks ago).<br>Today after my update I had this error about amarok :<br><br><blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
+
+L&#39;installation a échoué :       le fichier /usr/lib64/libampache_account_login.so de l&#39;installation de amarok-3:2.4.1-0.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage lib64ampache_account-3:2.4.0-1mdv2010.2.x86_64<br>
+
+</blockquote><br>It seems an old mandriva package led to that error.<br><br>Regards<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/8 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">2011/5/8 Balcaen John &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Could you please push amarok 2.4.1 final<br>
+&gt; We were using 2.4.1 beta 1.<br>
+<br>
+</div>done<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Stefano Negro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stblack@gmail.com">stblack@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2011/5/9 James Kerr <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk" target="_blank">jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div><div></div><div><div class="im">On 09/05/11 10:28, Stefano Negro wrote:<br>
+</div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
+Under mcc it&#39;s not recognized, no 3g modem found.<br>
+Is there any workaround to get configured?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div></div><div class="im">
+&quot;Eject&quot; the CDROM device (for example in dolphin or nautilus places panel). It should then be recognised as a modem. (This has worked for me and for others.)<br>
+<br>
+Jim<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote></div><br>Thanks, but it&#39;s recognized in haddrake as usb storage, but not mounted or displayed in dolphin.<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br clear="all"></div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></blockquote>
+</div><br>update.<div>The USB pen is recognized if I mount the /dev/sr0 as usb disk and I do an eject.</div><div>At this stage the pen is recognized.</div><div>So, could be someone helping on that and suggesting how to patch the beta 2 to solve this failed auto eject. I believe it&#39;s matter of USB_modeswitch.</div>
+<div><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/9 Stefano Negro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stblack@gmail.com">stblack@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2011/5/9 James Kerr <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk" target="_blank">jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div><div></div><div><div class="im">On 09/05/11 10:28, Stefano Negro wrote:<br>
+</div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
+Under mcc it&#39;s not recognized, no 3g modem found.<br>
+Is there any workaround to get configured?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div></div><div class="im">
+&quot;Eject&quot; the CDROM device (for example in dolphin or nautilus places panel). It should then be recognised as a modem. (This has worked for me and for others.)<br>
+<br>
+Jim<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote></div><br>Thanks, but it&#39;s recognized in haddrake as usb storage, but not mounted or displayed in dolphin.<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br clear="all"></div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></blockquote>
+</div><br>update.<div>The USB pen is recognized if I mount the /dev/sr0 as usb disk and I do an eject.</div><div>At this stage the pen is recognized.</div><div>So, could be someone helping on that and suggesting how to patch the beta 2 to solve this failed auto eject. I believe it&#39;s matter of USB_modeswitch.</div>
+<div><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+</div>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Zé &lt;mmodem00@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 11.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In fact theres no rule that says its better this way or other way,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; now if someones decided that some way can be more efficient doesnt</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mean that a user will be forced to use that way, its still the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; user that decides whats the best layout that fits hes needs.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It matters to be concise, to use proper structure and keep the same</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; layout when answering.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It is the usual way on mailing lists, to only cite the part, you are answering to, and answer below that part.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">See also http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_(Rules)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">(should be added to our won wiki imho.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">(And I have to admit, this might be a html mail, and I excuse for that, but something about my kmail settings went bad :( )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So far im also used to use the bottom page to answer emails, but i</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; have been using gmail webmail and when clicking to answer, it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; prompts empty space in the top of the email, so to do things</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; faster i simply wrote there, but i could simply startig using this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; method for my answers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You can quickly change the settings of Gmail to text mails, then you have full control of what you are sending.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Zé &lt;mmodem00@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 11.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In fact theres no rule that says its better this way or other way,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; now if someones decided that some way can be more efficient doesnt</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mean that a user will be forced to use that way, its still the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; user that decides whats the best layout that fits hes needs.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It matters to be concise, to use proper structure and keep the same</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; layout when answering.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It is the usual way on mailing lists, to only cite the part, you are answering to, and answer below that part.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">See also http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_(Rules)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">(should be added to our won wiki imho.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">(And I have to admit, this might be a html mail, and I excuse for that, but something about my kmail settings went bad :( )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So far im also used to use the bottom page to answer emails, but i</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; have been using gmail webmail and when clicking to answer, it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; prompts empty space in the top of the email, so to do things</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; faster i simply wrote there, but i could simply startig using this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; method for my answers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You can quickly change the settings of Gmail to text mails, then you have full control of what you are sending.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/10 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Le Monday 09 May 2011 17:35:39, Thibaut FRANCOIS a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I did an update from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia (about two weeks ago).<br>
+&gt; Today after my update I had this error about amarok :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; L&#39;installation a échoué :       le fichier<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; /usr/lib64/libampache_account_login.so de l&#39;installation de<br>
+&gt; &gt; amarok-3:2.4.1-0.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le fichier du<br>
+&gt; &gt; paquetage lib64ampache_account-3:2.4.0-1mdv2010.2.x86_64<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It seems an old mandriva package led to that error.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>You were probably  not up to date on MIB mirrors because i pushed a package to<br>
+fix it on my KDE 4.5.5 mirror some weeks ago:<br>
+I initially put this package in his own library but cooker did not follow this<br>
+&amp; since mageia started from cooker package ...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br></blockquote><div><br>Hello,<br>thanks for these informations. <br>Now I will drop this package and start a new update <br>Regards<br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/10 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Le Monday 09 May 2011 17:35:39, Thibaut FRANCOIS a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I did an update from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia (about two weeks ago).<br>
+&gt; Today after my update I had this error about amarok :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; L&#39;installation a échoué :       le fichier<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; /usr/lib64/libampache_account_login.so de l&#39;installation de<br>
+&gt; &gt; amarok-3:2.4.1-0.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le fichier du<br>
+&gt; &gt; paquetage lib64ampache_account-3:2.4.0-1mdv2010.2.x86_64<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It seems an old mandriva package led to that error.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>You were probably  not up to date on MIB mirrors because i pushed a package to<br>
+fix it on my KDE 4.5.5 mirror some weeks ago:<br>
+I initially put this package in his own library but cooker did not follow this<br>
+&amp; since mageia started from cooker package ...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br></blockquote><div><br>Hello,<br>thanks for these informations. <br>Now I will drop this package and start a new update <br>Regards<br></div></div>
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+Hi all.<div>I was thinking for a translation process for Mageia, but I don&#39;t know how is now working.</div><div>Coming from ubuntu I tried sometimes the lauchpad web [1] and I found easy and powerful against the classic process of downloading the po file locally, mainly for the suggested translations.</div>
+
+<div>I found Pootle [2] that maybe it&#39;s well known here.</div><div>Could be used for our purposes?</div><div>My 2c.</div><div><br>-- <br>Bye<br>Stblack<br><br>
+</div><div>[1] <a href="http://bit.ly/kkrQj0" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/kkrQj0</a></div><div>[2] <a href="http://bit.ly/2dKMD6" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2dKMD6</a></div><div><br></div>
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+Hi all.<div>I was thinking for a translation process for Mageia, but I don&#39;t know how is now working.</div><div>Coming from ubuntu I tried sometimes the lauchpad web [1] and I found easy and powerful against the classic process of downloading the po file locally, mainly for the suggested translations.</div>
+
+<div>I found Pootle [2] that maybe it&#39;s well known here.</div><div>Could be used for our purposes?</div><div>My 2c.</div><div><br>-- <br>Bye<br>Stblack<br><br>
+</div><div>[1] <a href="http://bit.ly/kkrQj0" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/kkrQj0</a></div><div>[2] <a href="http://bit.ly/2dKMD6" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2dKMD6</a></div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/12 Antoine Pitrou <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:solipsis@pitrou.net">solipsis@pitrou.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Thu, 12 May 2011 01:56:25 +0100<br>
+Zé &lt;<a href="mailto:mmodem00@gmail.com">mmodem00@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Seams your confused, plf freetype it simply put fonts worst,,<br>
+<br>
+Please don&#39;t mistake your opinions for facts.<br>
+As a user, I have always installed the PLF freetype (and I am still<br>
+enjoying it on the very machine I am typing this message on) because the<br>
+default Mandriva rendering was horrible to me. Not everyone shares the<br>
+same opinions about font rendering.<br>
+<br>
+Back to lurking<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Antoine.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br>Before the 2009.1 , i used plf rpm but i did nt have any problem:<br><a href="http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&amp;t=36173">http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&amp;t=36173</a><br>
+<br>The plf package, i dont understand why since the 2009.1, breaks my system fonts in a very significant way. I have Greek localization. My wife, with the same version of Mandriva in her laptop but with French localization did nt have any complain. <br>
+<br>So the aspect of the fonts has to depend to the localization, the fonts and may be their size and the screen size.<br><br>When someone like me, has this problem of fonts, he cannot even use his system, he has a real problem. It costed me many uninstalls and installs and many hours of investigation.<br>
+<br>For that i asked a user friendly solution, is very important for them who are affected.<br><br>Personnaly, after all, i am able now to set my pc to fit my needs but i continue to search a solution for other users who will be front of this problem in the future<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/12 Antoine Pitrou <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:solipsis@pitrou.net">solipsis@pitrou.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Thu, 12 May 2011 01:56:25 +0100<br>
+Zé &lt;<a href="mailto:mmodem00@gmail.com">mmodem00@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Seams your confused, plf freetype it simply put fonts worst,,<br>
+<br>
+Please don&#39;t mistake your opinions for facts.<br>
+As a user, I have always installed the PLF freetype (and I am still<br>
+enjoying it on the very machine I am typing this message on) because the<br>
+default Mandriva rendering was horrible to me. Not everyone shares the<br>
+same opinions about font rendering.<br>
+<br>
+Back to lurking<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Antoine.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br>Before the 2009.1 , i used plf rpm but i did nt have any problem:<br><a href="http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&amp;t=36173">http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&amp;t=36173</a><br>
+<br>The plf package, i dont understand why since the 2009.1, breaks my system fonts in a very significant way. I have Greek localization. My wife, with the same version of Mandriva in her laptop but with French localization did nt have any complain. <br>
+<br>So the aspect of the fonts has to depend to the localization, the fonts and may be their size and the screen size.<br><br>When someone like me, has this problem of fonts, he cannot even use his system, he has a real problem. It costed me many uninstalls and installs and many hours of investigation.<br>
+<br>For that i asked a user friendly solution, is very important for them who are affected.<br><br>Personnaly, after all, i am able now to set my pc to fit my needs but i continue to search a solution for other users who will be front of this problem in the future<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>I updated my desktop computer from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia cauldron.<br>Everything works fine, except one thing :<br>when the &quot;update notification&quot; is red on my taskbar, I click on, but instead of launching mageiaupdate, there is only a new medias scan (the indicator is orange) and finally the indicator became red again.<br>
+
+<br>Am I alone with this problem ?<br><br>Regards,<br>Thibaut<br>PS : I&#39;m using KDE<br>
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+Hello,<br><br>I updated my desktop computer from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia cauldron.<br>Everything works fine, except one thing :<br>when the &quot;update notification&quot; is red on my taskbar, I click on, but instead of launching mageiaupdate, there is only a new medias scan (the indicator is orange) and finally the indicator became red again.<br>
+
+<br>Am I alone with this problem ?<br><br>Regards,<br>Thibaut<br>PS : I&#39;m using KDE<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/13 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 13 May 2011 19:47, Thibaut FRANCOIS &lt;<a href="mailto:thibautf@gmail.com">thibautf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I updated my desktop computer from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia cauldron.<br>
+&gt; Everything works fine, except one thing :<br>
+&gt; when the &quot;update notification&quot; is red on my taskbar, I click on, but instead<br>
+&gt; of launching mageiaupdate, there is only a new medias scan (the indicator is<br>
+&gt; orange) and finally the indicator became red again.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Am I alone with this problem ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; Thibaut<br>
+&gt; PS : I&#39;m using KDE<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>You probably still have mdkonline; you need mgaonline which has only<br>
+been available less than an hour ago, and it should automatically<br>
+obsolete mdkonline when you update your system.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Right, mdkonline is installed on my systme. I&#39;m waiting the update with mgaonline and I will verify the notification after.<br>Thanks<br><br>Thibaut<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/13 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 13 May 2011 19:47, Thibaut FRANCOIS &lt;<a href="mailto:thibautf@gmail.com">thibautf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I updated my desktop computer from mandriva 2010.2 to mageia cauldron.<br>
+&gt; Everything works fine, except one thing :<br>
+&gt; when the &quot;update notification&quot; is red on my taskbar, I click on, but instead<br>
+&gt; of launching mageiaupdate, there is only a new medias scan (the indicator is<br>
+&gt; orange) and finally the indicator became red again.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Am I alone with this problem ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; Thibaut<br>
+&gt; PS : I&#39;m using KDE<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>You probably still have mdkonline; you need mgaonline which has only<br>
+been available less than an hour ago, and it should automatically<br>
+obsolete mdkonline when you update your system.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Right, mdkonline is installed on my systme. I&#39;m waiting the update with mgaonline and I will verify the notification after.<br>Thanks<br><br>Thibaut<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/18 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+To test a system Upgrade from Mandriva I installed Mandriva 2010.2<br>
+besides my existing Mageia Beta2.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Is it an i586 system?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+During installation of Mageia RC the installer did not see the<br>
+Mandriva installation, it only offered an update of &quot;Mageia (Cauldron)<br>
+1&quot; or a fresh installation.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>I have no such problem (one i586, two x86_64 systems)<div><br></div><div>magnus</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/18 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+To test a system Upgrade from Mandriva I installed Mandriva 2010.2<br>
+besides my existing Mageia Beta2.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Is it an i586 system?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+During installation of Mageia RC the installer did not see the<br>
+Mandriva installation, it only offered an update of &quot;Mageia (Cauldron)<br>
+1&quot; or a fresh installation.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>I have no such problem (one i586, two x86_64 systems)<div><br></div><div>magnus</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+#1290   Plymouth exists when encrypted partition password is asked.<br>
+=&gt;  fix inside, anybody to review it?<br>
+<br>
+<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote></div><font color="#888888">I&#39;m preparing an installation to verify it.<br>Need around an hour<br></font>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+#1290   Plymouth exists when encrypted partition password is asked.<br>
+=&gt;  fix inside, anybody to review it?<br>
+<br>
+<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote></div><font color="#888888">I&#39;m preparing an installation to verify it.<br>Need around an hour<br></font>
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+<p>I think there is missing the non-Freeware repo.</p>
+<p>-- von unterwegs via Desire Z --</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 20.05.2011 11:39 schrieb &quot;Pavel Fric&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pavelfric@seznam.cz">pavelfric@seznam.cz</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; Hi,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; first I would like to tell, that I was trying the upgrade, but clear installation is better for me, also I made clean install then.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; The following list includes applications, that are according to my opinion quite important and nice to have them included in distribution, also I add the list for you to think about it, maybe to have them in additional repositories, or at least schedule them (of course some are more important than others). Txt file in attachment.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; At first I tried to find some of them through search field in MCC among the included apps, but then simply took appropriate items from my own list of translation projects, not all of course. For example Qt Linguist is very important for my work as volunteer in translation issues:<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; luckyBackup<br>&gt; Qt Linguist<br>&gt; texmaker<br>&gt; kwave<br>&gt; ardour<br>&gt; traverso<br>&gt; sintegrial text editor<br>&gt; nano<br>&gt; softprojector<br>&gt; openBibleViewer<br>&gt; krename<br>&gt; komparator4<br>
+&gt; speedcrunch<br>&gt; mscore<br>&gt; qtiplot<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; audex<br>&gt; avogadro<br>&gt; buzztard<br>&gt; cherrytree<br>&gt; clementine<br>&gt; colorcode<br>&gt; converseen<br>&gt; flacon<br>&gt; flashqard<br>
+&gt; fontmatrix<br>&gt; frescobaldi<br>&gt; jamin<br>&gt; k9copy<br>&gt; kdesvn<br>&gt; kid3<br>&gt; klatexformula<br>&gt; kmagnet<br>&gt; kmediafactory<br>&gt; kmetronome<br>&gt; kradio4<br>&gt; kstreamripper<br>&gt; kwooty<br>
+&gt; lilypond<br>&gt; nmapsi4<br>&gt; qcomicbook<br>&gt; qelectrotech<br>&gt; qjackctl<br>&gt; qonjugator<br>&gt; <br>&gt; qtoctave<br>&gt; qtractor<br>&gt; rkward<br>&gt; rosegarden<br>&gt; scidavis<br>&gt; simon<br>&gt; sir<br>
+&gt; sonic visualiser<br>&gt; soundKonverter<br>&gt; sudoku savant<br>&gt; sweep<br>&gt; tagaini jisho<br>&gt; tanglet<br>&gt; tano<br>&gt; texamator<br>&gt; texmakerx<br>&gt; tictactoe from hell<br>&gt; tubularix<br>&gt; unipro ugene<br>
+&gt; virtual midi piano keyboard - VMPK<br>&gt; vym<br>&gt; yarock<br>&gt; zhu3d<br>&gt; znotes<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Greetings, Pavel Fric<br></div>
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+<p>I think there is missing the non-Freeware repo.</p>
+<p>-- von unterwegs via Desire Z --</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 20.05.2011 11:39 schrieb &quot;Pavel Fric&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pavelfric@seznam.cz">pavelfric@seznam.cz</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; Hi,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; first I would like to tell, that I was trying the upgrade, but clear installation is better for me, also I made clean install then.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; The following list includes applications, that are according to my opinion quite important and nice to have them included in distribution, also I add the list for you to think about it, maybe to have them in additional repositories, or at least schedule them (of course some are more important than others). Txt file in attachment.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; At first I tried to find some of them through search field in MCC among the included apps, but then simply took appropriate items from my own list of translation projects, not all of course. For example Qt Linguist is very important for my work as volunteer in translation issues:<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; luckyBackup<br>&gt; Qt Linguist<br>&gt; texmaker<br>&gt; kwave<br>&gt; ardour<br>&gt; traverso<br>&gt; sintegrial text editor<br>&gt; nano<br>&gt; softprojector<br>&gt; openBibleViewer<br>&gt; krename<br>&gt; komparator4<br>
+&gt; speedcrunch<br>&gt; mscore<br>&gt; qtiplot<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; audex<br>&gt; avogadro<br>&gt; buzztard<br>&gt; cherrytree<br>&gt; clementine<br>&gt; colorcode<br>&gt; converseen<br>&gt; flacon<br>&gt; flashqard<br>
+&gt; fontmatrix<br>&gt; frescobaldi<br>&gt; jamin<br>&gt; k9copy<br>&gt; kdesvn<br>&gt; kid3<br>&gt; klatexformula<br>&gt; kmagnet<br>&gt; kmediafactory<br>&gt; kmetronome<br>&gt; kradio4<br>&gt; kstreamripper<br>&gt; kwooty<br>
+&gt; lilypond<br>&gt; nmapsi4<br>&gt; qcomicbook<br>&gt; qelectrotech<br>&gt; qjackctl<br>&gt; qonjugator<br>&gt; <br>&gt; qtoctave<br>&gt; qtractor<br>&gt; rkward<br>&gt; rosegarden<br>&gt; scidavis<br>&gt; simon<br>&gt; sir<br>
+&gt; sonic visualiser<br>&gt; soundKonverter<br>&gt; sudoku savant<br>&gt; sweep<br>&gt; tagaini jisho<br>&gt; tanglet<br>&gt; tano<br>&gt; texamator<br>&gt; texmakerx<br>&gt; tictactoe from hell<br>&gt; tubularix<br>&gt; unipro ugene<br>
+&gt; virtual midi piano keyboard - VMPK<br>&gt; vym<br>&gt; yarock<br>&gt; zhu3d<br>&gt; znotes<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Greetings, Pavel Fric<br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/20 magnus <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:magnus.mud@googlemail.com">magnus.mud@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+#1290   Plymouth exists when encrypted partition password is asked.<br>
+=&gt;  fix inside, anybody to review it?<br>
+<br>
+<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote></div></div><font color="#888888">I&#39;m preparing an installation to verify it.<br>Need around an hour<br></font></blockquote><div><br>No password box but<br>I can enter the password on the console and the mount is then ok.<br>
+<br>Entry fstab:<br>/dev/mapper/crypt_sda7 /daten_s ext4 noatime 0 0 <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/20 magnus <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:magnus.mud@googlemail.com">magnus.mud@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/20 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+#1290   Plymouth exists when encrypted partition password is asked.<br>
+=&gt;  fix inside, anybody to review it?<br>
+<br>
+<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote></div></div><font color="#888888">I&#39;m preparing an installation to verify it.<br>Need around an hour<br></font></blockquote><div><br>No password box but<br>I can enter the password on the console and the mount is then ok.<br>
+<br>Entry fstab:<br>/dev/mapper/crypt_sda7 /daten_s ext4 noatime 0 0 <br></div></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 20/05/11 12:12, magnus a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:BANLkTikjWQcW3-T5pgScb2HiveuncZAuuw@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p>I think there is missing the non-Freeware repo.</p>
+    </blockquote>
+    May be worse : some of those packages are present in core repo of
+    Mageia event before the mail was send.<br>
+    Pavel Fric : you should check if the hdlist are up to date.<br>
+    <br>
+    Claire<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:BANLkTikjWQcW3-T5pgScb2HiveuncZAuuw@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p>-- von unterwegs via Desire Z --</p>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">Am 20.05.2011 11:39 schrieb "Pavel Fric"
+        &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:pavelfric@seznam.cz">pavelfric@seznam.cz</a>&gt;:<br
+          type="attribution">
+        &gt; Hi,<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; first I would like to tell, that I was trying the upgrade,
+        but clear installation is better for me, also I made clean
+        install then.<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; The following list includes applications, that are
+        according to my opinion quite important and nice to have them
+        included in distribution, also I add the list for you to think
+        about it, maybe to have them in additional repositories, or at
+        least schedule them (of course some are more important than
+        others). Txt file in attachment.<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; At first I tried to find some of them through search field
+        in MCC among the included apps, but then simply took appropriate
+        items from my own list of translation projects, not all of
+        course. For example Qt Linguist is very important for my work as
+        volunteer in translation issues:<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; luckyBackup<br>
+        &gt; Qt Linguist<br>
+        &gt; texmaker<br>
+        &gt; kwave<br>
+        &gt; ardour<br>
+        &gt; traverso<br>
+        &gt; sintegrial text editor<br>
+        &gt; nano<br>
+        &gt; softprojector<br>
+        &gt; openBibleViewer<br>
+        &gt; krename<br>
+        &gt; komparator4<br>
+        &gt; speedcrunch<br>
+        &gt; mscore<br>
+        &gt; qtiplot<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; audex<br>
+        &gt; avogadro<br>
+        &gt; buzztard<br>
+        &gt; cherrytree<br>
+        &gt; clementine<br>
+        &gt; colorcode<br>
+        &gt; converseen<br>
+        &gt; flacon<br>
+        &gt; flashqard<br>
+        &gt; fontmatrix<br>
+        &gt; frescobaldi<br>
+        &gt; jamin<br>
+        &gt; k9copy<br>
+        &gt; kdesvn<br>
+        &gt; kid3<br>
+        &gt; klatexformula<br>
+        &gt; kmagnet<br>
+        &gt; kmediafactory<br>
+        &gt; kmetronome<br>
+        &gt; kradio4<br>
+        &gt; kstreamripper<br>
+        &gt; kwooty<br>
+        &gt; lilypond<br>
+        &gt; nmapsi4<br>
+        &gt; qcomicbook<br>
+        &gt; qelectrotech<br>
+        &gt; qjackctl<br>
+        &gt; qonjugator<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; qtoctave<br>
+        &gt; qtractor<br>
+        &gt; rkward<br>
+        &gt; rosegarden<br>
+        &gt; scidavis<br>
+        &gt; simon<br>
+        &gt; sir<br>
+        &gt; sonic visualiser<br>
+        &gt; soundKonverter<br>
+        &gt; sudoku savant<br>
+        &gt; sweep<br>
+        &gt; tagaini jisho<br>
+        &gt; tanglet<br>
+        &gt; tano<br>
+        &gt; texamator<br>
+        &gt; texmakerx<br>
+        &gt; tictactoe from hell<br>
+        &gt; tubularix<br>
+        &gt; unipro ugene<br>
+        &gt; virtual midi piano keyboard - VMPK<br>
+        &gt; vym<br>
+        &gt; yarock<br>
+        &gt; zhu3d<br>
+        &gt; znotes<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; Greetings, Pavel Fric<br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 20/05/11 12:12, magnus a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:BANLkTikjWQcW3-T5pgScb2HiveuncZAuuw@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p>I think there is missing the non-Freeware repo.</p>
+    </blockquote>
+    May be worse : some of those packages are present in core repo of
+    Mageia event before the mail was send.<br>
+    Pavel Fric : you should check if the hdlist are up to date.<br>
+    <br>
+    Claire<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:BANLkTikjWQcW3-T5pgScb2HiveuncZAuuw@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p>-- von unterwegs via Desire Z --</p>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">Am 20.05.2011 11:39 schrieb "Pavel Fric"
+        &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:pavelfric@seznam.cz">pavelfric@seznam.cz</a>&gt;:<br
+          type="attribution">
+        &gt; Hi,<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; first I would like to tell, that I was trying the upgrade,
+        but clear installation is better for me, also I made clean
+        install then.<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; The following list includes applications, that are
+        according to my opinion quite important and nice to have them
+        included in distribution, also I add the list for you to think
+        about it, maybe to have them in additional repositories, or at
+        least schedule them (of course some are more important than
+        others). Txt file in attachment.<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; At first I tried to find some of them through search field
+        in MCC among the included apps, but then simply took appropriate
+        items from my own list of translation projects, not all of
+        course. For example Qt Linguist is very important for my work as
+        volunteer in translation issues:<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; luckyBackup<br>
+        &gt; Qt Linguist<br>
+        &gt; texmaker<br>
+        &gt; kwave<br>
+        &gt; ardour<br>
+        &gt; traverso<br>
+        &gt; sintegrial text editor<br>
+        &gt; nano<br>
+        &gt; softprojector<br>
+        &gt; openBibleViewer<br>
+        &gt; krename<br>
+        &gt; komparator4<br>
+        &gt; speedcrunch<br>
+        &gt; mscore<br>
+        &gt; qtiplot<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; audex<br>
+        &gt; avogadro<br>
+        &gt; buzztard<br>
+        &gt; cherrytree<br>
+        &gt; clementine<br>
+        &gt; colorcode<br>
+        &gt; converseen<br>
+        &gt; flacon<br>
+        &gt; flashqard<br>
+        &gt; fontmatrix<br>
+        &gt; frescobaldi<br>
+        &gt; jamin<br>
+        &gt; k9copy<br>
+        &gt; kdesvn<br>
+        &gt; kid3<br>
+        &gt; klatexformula<br>
+        &gt; kmagnet<br>
+        &gt; kmediafactory<br>
+        &gt; kmetronome<br>
+        &gt; kradio4<br>
+        &gt; kstreamripper<br>
+        &gt; kwooty<br>
+        &gt; lilypond<br>
+        &gt; nmapsi4<br>
+        &gt; qcomicbook<br>
+        &gt; qelectrotech<br>
+        &gt; qjackctl<br>
+        &gt; qonjugator<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; qtoctave<br>
+        &gt; qtractor<br>
+        &gt; rkward<br>
+        &gt; rosegarden<br>
+        &gt; scidavis<br>
+        &gt; simon<br>
+        &gt; sir<br>
+        &gt; sonic visualiser<br>
+        &gt; soundKonverter<br>
+        &gt; sudoku savant<br>
+        &gt; sweep<br>
+        &gt; tagaini jisho<br>
+        &gt; tanglet<br>
+        &gt; tano<br>
+        &gt; texamator<br>
+        &gt; texmakerx<br>
+        &gt; tictactoe from hell<br>
+        &gt; tubularix<br>
+        &gt; unipro ugene<br>
+        &gt; virtual midi piano keyboard - VMPK<br>
+        &gt; vym<br>
+        &gt; yarock<br>
+        &gt; zhu3d<br>
+        &gt; znotes<br>
+        &gt; <br>
+        &gt; Greetings, Pavel Fric<br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <body>
+
+  
+
+<table border="0" width="550" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:550px; border-top:4px solid #39C; font: 12px arial, sans-serif; margin: 0 auto;"><tr><td>  
+  <h1 style="color: #000; font: bold 23px arial; margin:5px 0;" >LinkedIn</h1>
+
+<div style="font:13px arial, sans-serif; width:540px">  
+    
+    <p>
+      Mageia,<br/>
+<br/>
+I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.<br/>
+<br/>
+- Arthhur
+    </p>
+    
+    <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="margin-bottom: 10px;">
+      <tr>
+        <td style="font: 13px arial, sans-serif; width: 490px;">
+          <div style="padding: 5px 5px 5px 0">
+            Arthhur Cheung<br>
+                  --
+            <br>
+                    China
+          </div>
+          </div>
+        </td>
+      </tr>
+    </table>
+
+    <p>
+              <a style="background-color:#ffcc00; display:inline-block; border-right: 1px solid #7a5a20; border-bottom: 1px solid #7a5a20; padding:10px; text-decoration: none; color: #000; text-align: center; white-space:none; font-weight: bold;" href="https://www.linkedin.com/e/wnk75a-go1keqsk-s/isd/2970615137/znlLeGaX/EML-invg_59/">Confirm that you know Arthhur</a>
+    </p>
+</div>
+
+
+
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+  <p style="width: 550px; margin: 3px auto; font: 10px arial, sans-serif; color: #999;">&#169; 2011, LinkedIn Corporation</p>
+  
+<img src="http://www.linkedin.com/emimp/wnk75a-go1keqsk-s.gif" style="width:1px; height:1px;"/></body>
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+<table border="0" width="550" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:550px; border-top:4px solid #39C; font: 12px arial, sans-serif; margin: 0 auto;"><tr><td>  
+  <h1 style="color: #000; font: bold 23px arial; margin:5px 0;" >LinkedIn</h1>
+
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+    
+    <p>
+      Mageia,<br/>
+<br/>
+I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.<br/>
+<br/>
+- Arthhur
+    </p>
+    
+    <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="margin-bottom: 10px;">
+      <tr>
+        <td style="font: 13px arial, sans-serif; width: 490px;">
+          <div style="padding: 5px 5px 5px 0">
+            Arthhur Cheung<br>
+                  --
+            <br>
+                    China
+          </div>
+          </div>
+        </td>
+      </tr>
+    </table>
+
+    <p>
+              <a style="background-color:#ffcc00; display:inline-block; border-right: 1px solid #7a5a20; border-bottom: 1px solid #7a5a20; padding:10px; text-decoration: none; color: #000; text-align: center; white-space:none; font-weight: bold;" href="https://www.linkedin.com/e/wnk75a-go1keqsk-s/isd/2970615137/znlLeGaX/EML-invg_59/">Confirm that you know Arthhur</a>
+    </p>
+</div>
+
+
+
+
+  <p style="width: 550px; margin: 3px auto; font: 10px arial, sans-serif; color: #999;">&#169; 2011, LinkedIn Corporation</p>
+  
+<img src="http://www.linkedin.com/emimp/wnk75a-go1keqsk-s.gif" style="width:1px; height:1px;"/></body>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">For fixing a rather strange German translation (already fixed in svn), please rebuild drakx-net before build of final ISOs.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">For fixing a rather strange German translation (already fixed in svn), please rebuild drakx-net before build of final ISOs.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anne nicolas &lt;ennael@mageia.org&gt; schrieb am 25.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please have a look on it and add anything that could complete it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Deadline is thursday evening</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">shouldn't system-config-printer be listed among the configuration tools?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anne nicolas &lt;ennael@mageia.org&gt; schrieb am 25.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please have a look on it and add anything that could complete it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Deadline is thursday evening</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">shouldn't system-config-printer be listed among the configuration tools?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
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+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anne nicolas &lt;ennael@mageia.org&gt; schrieb am 25.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please have a look on it and add anything that could complete it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Deadline is thursday evening</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And what about IDEs?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anne nicolas &lt;ennael@mageia.org&gt; schrieb am 25.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please have a look on it and add anything that could complete it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Deadline is thursday evening</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And what about IDEs?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<br><br>2011/5/26 Ahmad Samir &lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>&gt; On 26 May 2011 14:42, Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2011/5/26 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/5/25 Bruno Cornec &lt;<a href="mailto:Bruno.Cornec@hp.com">Bruno.Cornec@hp.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thomas Backlund said on Wed, May 25, 2011 at 04:37:19PM +0300:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mondo package got properly epoched ~2 weeks ago:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/mondo/current/SPECS/mondo.spec?r1=75254&amp;r2=96498">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/mondo/current/SPECS/mondo.spec?r1=75254&amp;r2=96498</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Why do we start a new distro then, if it&#39;s to reproduce the errors made<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in the previous one ?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1. we promise people an upgrade path from 2010.1/2<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; They still have an upgrade path, and that wasn&#39;t raising an error.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2. rpm/urpmi/rpmdrake does not read release notes<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;    (same goes for many endusers)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I disagree. THat&#39;s one of the most important reading when I go from RHEL<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 5.x to 5.x+1, between Mandriva, Mageia or whatever distro I&#39;m using.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It&#39;s much more easy to point people to a link and tell them to read, to<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; solve their issue/question.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 3. we dont do exceptions for package(r)s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Life is plenty of exceptions. And there are times when there are good<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; reasons to do them. Creating a new distro is not a task you&#39;ll do next<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; week again. Thinking to fix what was wrong in the previous one was IMO<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; more important than ensuring that level of upgrade path for a couple of<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; users of a package.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I especially took time to discuss that point with Anne before taking any<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; decision and documented it<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://brunocornec.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/considerations-on-mondorescue-packaging-for-mageia/">http://brunocornec.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/considerations-on-mondorescue-packaging-for-mageia/</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m a bit disappointed that no real discussion/vote/choice was made<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; publicly.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; This is an open system. You (as an interested person) could have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; started this public discussion any time. Of course, starting it a<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; couple of days before release may be a bit late.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; hi wobo<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Discussion was started some weeks ago IIRC<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; wobo<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt; Anne<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>
+<br>As a reminder, release notes are on a wiki. You can add yourself your contribution :)<br><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a><br><br>
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+<br><br>2011/5/26 Ahmad Samir &lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>&gt; On 26 May 2011 14:42, Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2011/5/26 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/5/25 Bruno Cornec &lt;<a href="mailto:Bruno.Cornec@hp.com">Bruno.Cornec@hp.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thomas Backlund said on Wed, May 25, 2011 at 04:37:19PM +0300:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mondo package got properly epoched ~2 weeks ago:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/mondo/current/SPECS/mondo.spec?r1=75254&amp;r2=96498">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/mondo/current/SPECS/mondo.spec?r1=75254&amp;r2=96498</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Why do we start a new distro then, if it&#39;s to reproduce the errors made<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in the previous one ?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1. we promise people an upgrade path from 2010.1/2<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; They still have an upgrade path, and that wasn&#39;t raising an error.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2. rpm/urpmi/rpmdrake does not read release notes<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;    (same goes for many endusers)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I disagree. THat&#39;s one of the most important reading when I go from RHEL<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 5.x to 5.x+1, between Mandriva, Mageia or whatever distro I&#39;m using.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; It&#39;s much more easy to point people to a link and tell them to read, to<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; solve their issue/question.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 3. we dont do exceptions for package(r)s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Life is plenty of exceptions. And there are times when there are good<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; reasons to do them. Creating a new distro is not a task you&#39;ll do next<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; week again. Thinking to fix what was wrong in the previous one was IMO<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; more important than ensuring that level of upgrade path for a couple of<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; users of a package.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I especially took time to discuss that point with Anne before taking any<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; decision and documented it<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://brunocornec.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/considerations-on-mondorescue-packaging-for-mageia/">http://brunocornec.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/considerations-on-mondorescue-packaging-for-mageia/</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m a bit disappointed that no real discussion/vote/choice was made<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; publicly.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; This is an open system. You (as an interested person) could have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; started this public discussion any time. Of course, starting it a<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; couple of days before release may be a bit late.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; hi wobo<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Discussion was started some weeks ago IIRC<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; wobo<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt; Anne<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>
+<br>As a reminder, release notes are on a wiki. You can add yourself your contribution :)<br><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/27 You-Cheng Hsieh <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com">yochenhsieh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+There is a bug which would cause complete freeze with atheros wifi<br>
+connection. I currently don&#39;t have a working wifi AP to test this<br>
+issue now. So if you have atheros ath9k wifi and Cauldron, please help<br>
+test this problem:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144</a><br>
+Bug 144 - Complete freeze with Atheros wifi<br>
+<br>
+Requirements:<br>
+- Atheros wifi adapter which uses ath9k module.<br>
+- Latest kernel<br>
+<br>
+How to reproduce/test:<br>
+Connect to a wifi AP/hotspot and the system will be complete freeze.<br>
+wi<br>
+Please report to the bugzilla if this issue is still valid or invalid.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not much tests tobe done, still valid but waiting for more inputs from upstream</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+You-Cheng Hsieh<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/27 You-Cheng Hsieh <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com">yochenhsieh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+There is a bug which would cause complete freeze with atheros wifi<br>
+connection. I currently don&#39;t have a working wifi AP to test this<br>
+issue now. So if you have atheros ath9k wifi and Cauldron, please help<br>
+test this problem:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144</a><br>
+Bug 144 - Complete freeze with Atheros wifi<br>
+<br>
+Requirements:<br>
+- Atheros wifi adapter which uses ath9k module.<br>
+- Latest kernel<br>
+<br>
+How to reproduce/test:<br>
+Connect to a wifi AP/hotspot and the system will be complete freeze.<br>
+wi<br>
+Please report to the bugzilla if this issue is still valid or invalid.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not much tests tobe done, still valid but waiting for more inputs from upstream</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+You-Cheng Hsieh<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/27 Marcello Anni <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marcello.anni@alice.it">marcello.anni@alice.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Marcello Anni skrev 27.5.2011 12:25:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi all,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi<br>
+(and<br>
+&gt; &gt; rpmdrake):<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; title: &#39;urpme --auto-orphans&#39; message shouldn&#39;t be shown when using<br>
+rpmdrake&#39;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; link: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; as time is over and we can&#39;t change this feature, what about using a<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hmmm, first you state this wich is correct...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with<br>
+someone<br>
+&gt; &gt; similar to this:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &quot;these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you want<br>
+to<br>
+&gt; &gt; remove them, you can use &quot;urpme --auto-orphans&quot;. Otherwise we discourage<br>
+the<br>
+&gt; &gt; use of this comand&quot;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the<br>
+&gt; &gt; localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the new<br>
+&gt; &gt; package. Please, let me know<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; then you still ask for changes... :/<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; anyway... Its _way_ too late, we are in full freeze and have started<br>
+&gt; testing final isos, so no changes at this point.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>ok, maybe if Anne wrote down these words i&#39;d understand before that it&#39;s<br>
+impossible at this development stage. i will try to organize this change (that<br>
+anyway it&#39;s not about code, but only a transaltion string) after the release.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry ? Instead of making people loose time in these days please read bugzilla messages.</div><div>That&#39;s it</div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+thanks<br>
+<br>
+cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Marcello<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/27 Marcello Anni <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marcello.anni@alice.it">marcello.anni@alice.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Marcello Anni skrev 27.5.2011 12:25:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi all,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi<br>
+(and<br>
+&gt; &gt; rpmdrake):<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; title: &#39;urpme --auto-orphans&#39; message shouldn&#39;t be shown when using<br>
+rpmdrake&#39;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; link: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; as time is over and we can&#39;t change this feature, what about using a<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hmmm, first you state this wich is correct...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with<br>
+someone<br>
+&gt; &gt; similar to this:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &quot;these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you want<br>
+to<br>
+&gt; &gt; remove them, you can use &quot;urpme --auto-orphans&quot;. Otherwise we discourage<br>
+the<br>
+&gt; &gt; use of this comand&quot;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the<br>
+&gt; &gt; localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the new<br>
+&gt; &gt; package. Please, let me know<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; then you still ask for changes... :/<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; anyway... Its _way_ too late, we are in full freeze and have started<br>
+&gt; testing final isos, so no changes at this point.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>ok, maybe if Anne wrote down these words i&#39;d understand before that it&#39;s<br>
+impossible at this development stage. i will try to organize this change (that<br>
+anyway it&#39;s not about code, but only a transaltion string) after the release.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sorry ? Instead of making people loose time in these days please read bugzilla messages.</div><div>That&#39;s it</div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+thanks<br>
+<br>
+cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Marcello<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi all<br>
+<br>
+Finally release is out and in time!<br>
+<br>
+First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I<br>
+guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers,<br>
+artwork) can be proud of this final release.<br>
+Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but<br>
+at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users.<br>
+<br>
+Some links for more information<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/</a><br>
+<br>
+Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :)<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Many thanks to all teams!<div>I just start with the help of Angelo Naselli to enter in the developer and tester teams contributing in a very little step of the tests.</div><div>
+I hope to help a lot more and to meet new friends !<br><div><br>-- <br>Cheers<br>Stblack/<br>
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi all<br>
+<br>
+Finally release is out and in time!<br>
+<br>
+First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I<br>
+guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers,<br>
+artwork) can be proud of this final release.<br>
+Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but<br>
+at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users.<br>
+<br>
+Some links for more information<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/</a><br>
+<br>
+Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :)<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Many thanks to all teams!<div>I just start with the help of Angelo Naselli to enter in the developer and tester teams contributing in a very little step of the tests.</div><div>
+I hope to help a lot more and to meet new friends !<br><div><br>-- <br>Cheers<br>Stblack/<br>
+</div></div>
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+<p>Hi.<br>
+I&#39;d like to learn Iurt. Can someone teach me starting to configure the testing environment and an example of src.rpm?</p>
+<p>Thanks<br>
+Stblack</p>
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+<p>Hi.<br>
+I&#39;d like to learn Iurt. Can someone teach me starting to configure the testing environment and an example of src.rpm?</p>
+<p>Thanks<br>
+Stblack</p>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi all<br>
+<br>
+Finally release is out and in time!<br>
+<br>
+First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I<br>
+guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers,<br>
+artwork) can be proud of this final release.<br>
+Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but<br>
+at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users.<br>
+<br>
+Some links for more information<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/</a><br>
+<br>
+Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :)<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a></font></blockquote><div><br>\o/ Congratulations ! <br></div></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi all<br>
+<br>
+Finally release is out and in time!<br>
+<br>
+First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I<br>
+guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers,<br>
+artwork) can be proud of this final release.<br>
+Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but<br>
+at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users.<br>
+<br>
+Some links for more information<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/</a><br>
+<br>
+Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :)<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a></font></blockquote><div><br>\o/ Congratulations ! <br></div></div><br>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><br>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">The only version of Skype that will allow the audio to be configured and works with Mandriva 2010 is</span>
+<div style="clear:both"></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">skype-2.0.0.72-1mdv2009.0.i586.rpm that will enable USB VOIP headsets and the Philips VOIP microphone to be configured. If you use a later version which I&nbsp;believe&nbsp;is a beat version you will not be able to configure any audio&nbsp;devices&nbsp;it will be stuck on Pulse Audio settings and you will only be able to use a head set&nbsp;plugged&nbsp;into the line IN/Out sockets on the computer of course you may not be able to configure your audio device using the latest version - I have the version above installed on Mandriva and can stream audio via my pc sound device and at the same time make calls using the Phillips VOIP phone. Hope this helps</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Regards Brian Bailey aka&nbsp;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; ">(Brianb)</span></div>
+</font>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><br>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">The only version of Skype that will allow the audio to be configured and works with Mandriva 2010 is</span>
+<div style="clear:both"></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">skype-2.0.0.72-1mdv2009.0.i586.rpm that will enable USB VOIP headsets and the Philips VOIP microphone to be configured. If you use a later version which I&nbsp;believe&nbsp;is a beat version you will not be able to configure any audio&nbsp;devices&nbsp;it will be stuck on Pulse Audio settings and you will only be able to use a head set&nbsp;plugged&nbsp;into the line IN/Out sockets on the computer of course you may not be able to configure your audio device using the latest version - I have the version above installed on Mandriva and can stream audio via my pc sound device and at the same time make calls using the Phillips VOIP phone. Hope this helps</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Regards Brian Bailey aka&nbsp;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; ">(Brianb)</span></div>
+</font>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110604/d8b6ea3d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110604/d8b6ea3d/attachment-0001.html
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; white-space: nowrap; "><a href="http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-2.2.0.35-fedora.i586.rpm">http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-2.2.0.35-fedora.i586.rpm</a>, </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; white-space: nowrap; ">between, i just wrote a blog post on how to install <a href="http://blog.linux4us.org/2011/06/04/install-skype-in-mageia/">skype under mageia</a>, have a look then, thanks</span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/4 Kira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+在 Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:42:58 +0800, cckwes &lt;<a href="mailto:cckwes@gmail.com" target="_blank">cckwes@gmail.com</a>&gt;寫�:<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Download skype rpm from <a href="http://skype.com" target="_blank">skype.com</a> and install should work<br>
+<br>
+2011/6/4 Kira &lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Is there Skype packages available?<br>
+<br>
+Currently in the repository, there&#39;s no Skype packages.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote></div></div>
+But which version? And is it possible to distribute<br>
+<br>
+the package in our repository?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110604/d8b6ea3d/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110604/d8b6ea3d/attachment.html
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; white-space: nowrap; "><a href="http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-2.2.0.35-fedora.i586.rpm">http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-2.2.0.35-fedora.i586.rpm</a>, </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; white-space: nowrap; ">between, i just wrote a blog post on how to install <a href="http://blog.linux4us.org/2011/06/04/install-skype-in-mageia/">skype under mageia</a>, have a look then, thanks</span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/4 Kira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+在 Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:42:58 +0800, cckwes &lt;<a href="mailto:cckwes@gmail.com" target="_blank">cckwes@gmail.com</a>&gt;寫�:<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Download skype rpm from <a href="http://skype.com" target="_blank">skype.com</a> and install should work<br>
+<br>
+2011/6/4 Kira &lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Is there Skype packages available?<br>
+<br>
+Currently in the repository, there&#39;s no Skype packages.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote></div></div>
+But which version? And is it possible to distribute<br>
+<br>
+the package in our repository?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Download skype rpm from <a href="http://skype.com">skype.com</a> and install should work<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/4 Kira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Is there Skype packages available?<br>
+<br>
+Currently in the repository, there&#39;s no Skype packages.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Download skype rpm from <a href="http://skype.com">skype.com</a> and install should work<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/4 Kira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Is there Skype packages available?<br>
+<br>
+Currently in the repository, there&#39;s no Skype packages.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Any plan to include gnome 3 or unity in stable 1 as update? <div>or in next 2 ?</div><div>I&#39;ve seen some work in fedora, mandriva cooker.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br>
+</div>
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+Any plan to include gnome 3 or unity in stable 1 as update? <div>or in next 2 ?</div><div>I&#39;ve seen some work in fedora, mandriva cooker.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br>
+</div>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Hi, I&nbsp;don't&nbsp;have a&nbsp;problem&nbsp;or issue using Skype, this was a reply to someone who was asking what version Skype would work. As I said if a later version is used which happens to be a beta problems may occur when trying to configure the sound and audio devices - bearing in mind Skype is a closed source code and I doubt if it's possible to change things within Skype!&nbsp;I'm sure that that there are lots of different versions of Skype which might work and ways to use Skype with other audio apps running in parallel. The particular&nbsp;method I use allows me to listen to the BBC iplayer via my Laptops internal speakers as well as using Skype to make calls via the Philips USB phone. &nbsp;I have used Skype for over 5 years on a daily basis running both under Windows (various versions) and Mandriva Linux, and the version I stated works well on my system using various USB devices which can be configured via Kmix, the newer beta &nbsp;version appears to have issues in selecting audio devices, I would suggest that you download both versions (old and the new beta) and try them out.&nbsp;</span>
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Regards</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Brian Bailey aka (brianb)&nbsp;</span><br>
+<br>
+
+<div style="clear:both"></div>
+</div>
+</font>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Hi, I&nbsp;don't&nbsp;have a&nbsp;problem&nbsp;or issue using Skype, this was a reply to someone who was asking what version Skype would work. As I said if a later version is used which happens to be a beta problems may occur when trying to configure the sound and audio devices - bearing in mind Skype is a closed source code and I doubt if it's possible to change things within Skype!&nbsp;I'm sure that that there are lots of different versions of Skype which might work and ways to use Skype with other audio apps running in parallel. The particular&nbsp;method I use allows me to listen to the BBC iplayer via my Laptops internal speakers as well as using Skype to make calls via the Philips USB phone. &nbsp;I have used Skype for over 5 years on a daily basis running both under Windows (various versions) and Mandriva Linux, and the version I stated works well on my system using various USB devices which can be configured via Kmix, the newer beta &nbsp;version appears to have issues in selecting audio devices, I would suggest that you download both versions (old and the new beta) and try them out.&nbsp;</span>
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Regards</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Brian Bailey aka (brianb)&nbsp;</span><br>
+<br>
+
+<div style="clear:both"></div>
+</div>
+</font>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>Now that release is out, let restart our weekly meetings on #mageia-dev at 19h UTC.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are the topics:</div><div><br></div><div>- short review of Mageia 1 launch</div>
+<div>- organize post-portem for packagers team </div><div>- start brainstorm on release cycle</div><div>- relaunch mentoring </div><div><br></div><div>As usual feel free to comment or propose any other topic</div><div><br>
+</div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>Now that release is out, let restart our weekly meetings on #mageia-dev at 19h UTC.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are the topics:</div><div><br></div><div>- short review of Mageia 1 launch</div>
+<div>- organize post-portem for packagers team </div><div>- start brainstorm on release cycle</div><div>- relaunch mentoring </div><div><br></div><div>As usual feel free to comment or propose any other topic</div><div><br>
+</div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>We have some stuff to complete here:</div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security"></a>Can we spend the 2 or 3 coming days to finalize it and start updates submits?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>We have some stuff to complete here:</div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=security"></a>Can we spend the 2 or 3 coming days to finalize it and start updates submits?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/8 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi there<div><br></div><div>Now that release is out, let restart our weekly meetings on #mageia-dev at 19h UTC.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are the topics:</div><div><br></div><div>- short review of Mageia 1 launch</div>
+
+<div>- organize post-portem for packagers team </div><div>- start brainstorm on release cycle</div><div>- relaunch mentoring </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>adding </div><div>- start and organize discussions about first technical specifications</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><br></div><div>As usual feel free to comment or propose any other topic</div><div><br>
+</div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/8 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi there<div><br></div><div>Now that release is out, let restart our weekly meetings on #mageia-dev at 19h UTC.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are the topics:</div><div><br></div><div>- short review of Mageia 1 launch</div>
+
+<div>- organize post-portem for packagers team </div><div>- start brainstorm on release cycle</div><div>- relaunch mentoring </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>adding </div><div>- start and organize discussions about first technical specifications</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><br></div><div>As usual feel free to comment or propose any other topic</div><div><br>
+</div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">after some discussion in the German forums, I saw, that there are discrepancies between /etc/version and /etc/release, both coming from the mageia-release-common-1-2.mga1 package.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">While /etc/release calls my system</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">----------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">----------</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">it is called</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">----------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1 2 cauldron</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">----------</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">by /etc/version.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Which one of those defines the branch used by MIRRORLIST and shouldn't both of those be telling my the same thing?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">after some discussion in the German forums, I saw, that there are discrepancies between /etc/version and /etc/release, both coming from the mageia-release-common-1-2.mga1 package.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">While /etc/release calls my system</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">----------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia release 1 (Official) for i586</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">----------</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">it is called</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">----------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1 2 cauldron</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">----------</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">by /etc/version.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Which one of those defines the branch used by MIRRORLIST and shouldn't both of those be telling my the same thing?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 8 juin 2011 19:39:55, Ahmad Samir a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; IMHO, rejection reasons:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - The sec team doesn't think the update fixes a serious security</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; vulnerability; so it's not updates but backports</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What about bugfix updates ? I guess fixing a bug is a valid reason for an update, like it was in Mandriva's updates.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 8 juin 2011 19:39:55, Ahmad Samir a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; IMHO, rejection reasons:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - The sec team doesn't think the update fixes a serious security</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; vulnerability; so it's not updates but backports</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What about bugfix updates ? I guess fixing a bug is a valid reason for an update, like it was in Mandriva's updates.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/9 Dexter Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+as a misunderstanding i started to update to gnome 3 as it seemed<br>
+agreed to go this way ( at least i and some ppl understood as i read<br>
+that some ppl planned to update to it too )<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+What do we plan ?  i can revert to the previous rpms  or continue to update.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+sorry again.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>My opinon is positive.<div><div>I have seen gnome 3 on fedora 15 and was really amazing.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>my 2c<br>Stblack<br>
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/9 Dexter Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+as a misunderstanding i started to update to gnome 3 as it seemed<br>
+agreed to go this way ( at least i and some ppl understood as i read<br>
+that some ppl planned to update to it too )<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+What do we plan ?  i can revert to the previous rpms  or continue to update.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+sorry again.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>My opinon is positive.<div><div>I have seen gnome 3 on fedora 15 and was really amazing.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>my 2c<br>Stblack<br>
+</div></div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le jeudi 9 juin 2011 11:05:16, Colin Guthrie a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 08/06/11 22:48 did gyre and gimble:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On 8 June 2011 23:38, Stew Benedict &lt;stewbintn@gmail.com&gt; wrote: </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; If you're going to rebuild *after* QA, you've just invalidated your QA.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; (yeah, I know it *should* be the same, but stuff happens)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; You're right (even if that's never happened for 3-4 years in mdv,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; since sec team rebuilt the packages when pushing to */updates IIRC).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Personally, and this might just be me, I always submit my packages to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; *testing with a subrel of 0.1, 0.2 0.3 etc etc. Users then test my</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; various iterations. When I'm happy and when it's ready to pass to QA, I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; set the subrel to 1. This way the final version that should hit updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; is nice and neat.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In an ideal world, QA would validate it for me then change the subrel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; for me. That process would require a rebuild.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I'm not sure what others feel about this? It's not impossible to just do</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; this as a matter of course as part of the process we go through and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; increment subrel to a round number before handing over to QA... although</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; maybe I'm just a bit too anal about neat version numbers :p</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Neat version numbers are great, so I like your way of doing updates :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le jeudi 9 juin 2011 11:05:16, Colin Guthrie a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Ahmad Samir at 08/06/11 22:48 did gyre and gimble:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On 8 June 2011 23:38, Stew Benedict &lt;stewbintn@gmail.com&gt; wrote: </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; If you're going to rebuild *after* QA, you've just invalidated your QA.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; (yeah, I know it *should* be the same, but stuff happens)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; You're right (even if that's never happened for 3-4 years in mdv,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; since sec team rebuilt the packages when pushing to */updates IIRC).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Personally, and this might just be me, I always submit my packages to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; *testing with a subrel of 0.1, 0.2 0.3 etc etc. Users then test my</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; various iterations. When I'm happy and when it's ready to pass to QA, I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; set the subrel to 1. This way the final version that should hit updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; is nice and neat.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In an ideal world, QA would validate it for me then change the subrel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; for me. That process would require a rebuild.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I'm not sure what others feel about this? It's not impossible to just do</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; this as a matter of course as part of the process we go through and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; increment subrel to a round number before handing over to QA... although</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; maybe I'm just a bit too anal about neat version numbers :p</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Neat version numbers are great, so I like your way of doing updates :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/9 Dexter Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Zé &lt;<a href="mailto:mmodem00@gmail.com">mmodem00@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; 2011/6/9 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Zé wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/6/9 Dexter Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; For what do you need glib ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; xmms needs ORbit, that needs glib, and AFAIK these are still<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; maintained apps, and xmms is still a needed buildrequire needed by<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; kdenetwork (its optional but still exists), so i dont understand the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; hurry to drop these applications.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But what feature does it provide for kdenetwork? You can use e.g. audacious<br>
+&gt;&gt; (gtk2 version) instead of xmms itself. I don&#39;t know how compatible audacious<br>
+&gt;&gt; is, though.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;    Christiaan<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; kopete/CMakeLists.txt:macro_log_feature(XMMS_FOUND &quot;XMMS&quot; &quot;X<br>
+&gt; MultiMedia System development libraries&quot; &quot;<a href="http://www.xmms.org" target="_blank">http://www.xmms.org</a>&quot; FALSE<br>
+&gt; &quot;&quot; &quot;Used by the Kopete nowlistening plugin to support the XMMS<br>
+&gt; player.&quot;)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; But this isnt the main issue, these packages should be provided by<br>
+&gt; mageia (they are provided by the main linux distros), if the packages<br>
+&gt; were no longer maintained than i would agree that wouldnt be needed to<br>
+&gt; put them available in mageia, but thats not the case.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Zé<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>&quot;provided by&quot; is != from &quot;maintained&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+if you look on fedora :<br>
+<br>
+xmms-1.2.11-12.20071117cvs.fc15.src.rpm<br>
+<br>
+since 2007 this is only rebuilded and fixed for the build but we can&#39;t<br>
+call this &quot;maintained&quot; upstream.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Gentoo have removed xmms<br>
+Ubuntu have removed xmms too<br>
+<br>
+So please stop FUDing to &quot;force&quot; to push the packages you want.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>btw please have a look here<div><a href="http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RemoveOldLibs">http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RemoveOldLibs</a></div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s not only Mageia&#39;s fact<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Zé &lt;<a href="mailto:mmodem00@gmail.com">mmodem00@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; 2011/6/9 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Zé wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; 2011/6/9 Dexter Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; For what do you need glib ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; xmms needs ORbit, that needs glib, and AFAIK these are still<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; maintained apps, and xmms is still a needed buildrequire needed by<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; kdenetwork (its optional but still exists), so i dont understand the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; hurry to drop these applications.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But what feature does it provide for kdenetwork? You can use e.g. audacious<br>
+&gt;&gt; (gtk2 version) instead of xmms itself. I don&#39;t know how compatible audacious<br>
+&gt;&gt; is, though.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;    Christiaan<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; kopete/CMakeLists.txt:macro_log_feature(XMMS_FOUND &quot;XMMS&quot; &quot;X<br>
+&gt; MultiMedia System development libraries&quot; &quot;<a href="http://www.xmms.org" target="_blank">http://www.xmms.org</a>&quot; FALSE<br>
+&gt; &quot;&quot; &quot;Used by the Kopete nowlistening plugin to support the XMMS<br>
+&gt; player.&quot;)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; But this isnt the main issue, these packages should be provided by<br>
+&gt; mageia (they are provided by the main linux distros), if the packages<br>
+&gt; were no longer maintained than i would agree that wouldnt be needed to<br>
+&gt; put them available in mageia, but thats not the case.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Zé<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>&quot;provided by&quot; is != from &quot;maintained&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+if you look on fedora :<br>
+<br>
+xmms-1.2.11-12.20071117cvs.fc15.src.rpm<br>
+<br>
+since 2007 this is only rebuilded and fixed for the build but we can&#39;t<br>
+call this &quot;maintained&quot; upstream.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Gentoo have removed xmms<br>
+Ubuntu have removed xmms too<br>
+<br>
+So please stop FUDing to &quot;force&quot; to push the packages you want.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>btw please have a look here<div><a href="http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RemoveOldLibs">http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RemoveOldLibs</a></div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s not only Mageia&#39;s fact<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dexter Morgan &lt;dmorganec@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 09.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;mageia@colin.guthr.ie&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I think updates would be the right place.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please no 3rd repo :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; But i agree with you for updates for &quot;new&quot; packages ( no &quot;new&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; versions ;) )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I would prefer using updates over backports as well. If we use backports we would get more problems then benefit (like people not having backports enabled or people having backports enabled and thus getting problems they can't handle e.g. with new kernels, graphic drivers and so on).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Perhaps we could upload them to updates/testing for a really short qa before moving them to updates/ ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dexter Morgan &lt;dmorganec@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 09.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;mageia@colin.guthr.ie&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I think updates would be the right place.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please no 3rd repo :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; But i agree with you for updates for &quot;new&quot; packages ( no &quot;new&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; versions ;) )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I would prefer using updates over backports as well. If we use backports we would get more problems then benefit (like people not having backports enabled or people having backports enabled and thus getting problems they can't handle e.g. with new kernels, graphic drivers and so on).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Perhaps we could upload them to updates/testing for a really short qa before moving them to updates/ ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Zé &lt;mmodem00@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 09.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2011/6/9 Anne nicolas &lt;ennael@mageia.org&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; btw please have a look here</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RemoveOldLibs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; It's not only Mageia's fact</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes i agree but i dont think should be for now but in a near</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; future, e.g. ORbit its currently maintained apps that depend on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; glib.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now is the big chance to do such things since we are starting new. It will be much harder to remove things later than not to add them at all.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Zé &lt;mmodem00@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 09.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2011/6/9 Anne nicolas &lt;ennael@mageia.org&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; btw please have a look here</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RemoveOldLibs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; It's not only Mageia's fact</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes i agree but i dont think should be for now but in a near</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; future, e.g. ORbit its currently maintained apps that depend on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; glib.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now is the big chance to do such things since we are starting new. It will be much harder to remove things later than not to add them at all.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+Hi all<div><br></div><div>Following yesterday&#39;s meeting (See httpt please h://<a href="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-06-08-19.04.html">meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-06-08-19.04.html</a>), we will start now listing what we could have in Mageia 2 technical specifications. As a result, please have a look in <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</a>.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Feel free to add proposals in any listed items (or add new one). Please add your name and explanations about it.</div><div><br></div><div>Deadline for proposals is 22th of June. Of course we will have to discuss about proposed choice, reject some if not reasonable or plan some others on long term projects. This will also depend on decision regarding release cycle (discussion on that point will start tomorrow)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi all<div><br></div><div>Following yesterday&#39;s meeting (See httpt please h://<a href="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-06-08-19.04.html">meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-06-08-19.04.html</a>), we will start now listing what we could have in Mageia 2 technical specifications. As a result, please have a look in <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</a>.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Feel free to add proposals in any listed items (or add new one). Please add your name and explanations about it.</div><div><br></div><div>Deadline for proposals is 22th of June. Of course we will have to discuss about proposed choice, reject some if not reasonable or plan some others on long term projects. This will also depend on decision regarding release cycle (discussion on that point will start tomorrow)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le jeudi 9 juin 2011 07:00:24, Anssi Hannula a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 09.06.2011 02:25, Michael Scherer wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I guess we can start with a list of exception :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - stuff that should be updated to latest version, because the security</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; support for older releases ( firefox, chrome ) is too hard</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -&gt; we update to latest version if there is no regression and a strong</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; reason to upgrade ( severe bugfixes, security issue, breakages ).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Exception of this category should be very expectional</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - stuff where there is strict bugfixes only release</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; ( postgresql ), or update to a stable version ( which should be a bugfix</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; only release when compared to beta/rc :) )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -&gt; we upgrade to stable ( for rc/beta )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -&gt; we do version update if it is bug fixes and if the packager is ok</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; with it ( and if the rules of the bugfix branches are clearly documented</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - everything else</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -&gt; only minimal patches</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The question of game is still open, ie, should it go in 1st category, or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; should we have different rules to see what should be there or not ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I guess this would only be for networked game ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes. Note that this applies to some other software that communicates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; with outside systems as well, e.g. subdownloader. Maybe also Vuze if the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; content delivery system requires a version update.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Maybe the correct phrasing would be something like:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - Packages where some functions no longer work due to remote server</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;   changes, requiring a newer version of the package.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Agreed.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le jeudi 9 juin 2011 07:00:24, Anssi Hannula a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 09.06.2011 02:25, Michael Scherer wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I guess we can start with a list of exception :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - stuff that should be updated to latest version, because the security</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; support for older releases ( firefox, chrome ) is too hard</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -&gt; we update to latest version if there is no regression and a strong</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; reason to upgrade ( severe bugfixes, security issue, breakages ).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Exception of this category should be very expectional</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - stuff where there is strict bugfixes only release</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; ( postgresql ), or update to a stable version ( which should be a bugfix</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; only release when compared to beta/rc :) )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -&gt; we upgrade to stable ( for rc/beta )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -&gt; we do version update if it is bug fixes and if the packager is ok</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; with it ( and if the rules of the bugfix branches are clearly documented</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - everything else</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -&gt; only minimal patches</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The question of game is still open, ie, should it go in 1st category, or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; should we have different rules to see what should be there or not ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I guess this would only be for networked game ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes. Note that this applies to some other software that communicates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; with outside systems as well, e.g. subdownloader. Maybe also Vuze if the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; content delivery system requires a version update.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Maybe the correct phrasing would be something like:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - Packages where some functions no longer work due to remote server</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;   changes, requiring a newer version of the package.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Agreed.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<div>Hi there</div><div><br></div><div>More homework :). Following Mageia 1 final release, we would like to summarize what went wrong or right during development. This will help us to formalize things and improve all process.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Please add your comments here with all needed explanations if you have contributed to i18n, packaging, testing...</div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:mageia1_postmortem">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:mageia1_postmortem</a><div>
+<br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<div>Hi there</div><div><br></div><div>More homework :). Following Mageia 1 final release, we would like to summarize what went wrong or right during development. This will help us to formalize things and improve all process.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Please add your comments here with all needed explanations if you have contributed to i18n, packaging, testing...</div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:mageia1_postmortem">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:mageia1_postmortem</a><div>
+<br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 03:17:10PM +0200, Dexter Morgan wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Olav Vitters &lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 02:59:58PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; My main issue is more that not everything is finished ( like I miss the<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; timezone clock stuff to see when to call on USAs and rest of Europa )<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; That&#39;s planned for 3.2 btw.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; which is planned for october iirc no ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes (Sep 28), see <a href="http://www.gnome.org/start/unstable" target="_blank">www.gnome.org/start/unstable</a> (standard link for the<br>
+current schedule)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; so good for mageia 2 :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Indeed :)<br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Olav<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>+1<br><br>I would also suggest to jump directly to Gnome 3.2 instead of 3.0 in Mageia 2 because they want to fix some of the annoying bugs and implement some cool features like the integration of Zeitgeist.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 03:17:10PM +0200, Dexter Morgan wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Olav Vitters &lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 02:59:58PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; My main issue is more that not everything is finished ( like I miss the<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; timezone clock stuff to see when to call on USAs and rest of Europa )<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; That&#39;s planned for 3.2 btw.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; which is planned for october iirc no ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes (Sep 28), see <a href="http://www.gnome.org/start/unstable" target="_blank">www.gnome.org/start/unstable</a> (standard link for the<br>
+current schedule)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; so good for mageia 2 :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Indeed :)<br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Olav<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>+1<br><br>I would also suggest to jump directly to Gnome 3.2 instead of 3.0 in Mageia 2 because they want to fix some of the annoying bugs and implement some cool features like the integration of Zeitgeist.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">James Kerr &lt;jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk&gt; schrieb am 10.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Even though backports are disabled rpmdrake can display a list of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; available backports. (The sources are automatically updated by</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mgaonline.)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I make you parden, but: no!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">When a repo is disabled it doesn't get updated automatically and its packages are not to be found in rpmdrake.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Did you confuse &quot;disabling repos&quot; and &quot;marking a repo for updates&quot; (sorry, me doesn't know the exact English strings).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So you have to enable the backports repos and even though you don't &quot;mark them as update repos&quot;, urpmi will ignore that (rpmdrake won't but urpmi will) and will update everything from those repos...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">James Kerr &lt;jim@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk&gt; schrieb am 10.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Even though backports are disabled rpmdrake can display a list of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; available backports. (The sources are automatically updated by</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mgaonline.)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I make you parden, but: no!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">When a repo is disabled it doesn't get updated automatically and its packages are not to be found in rpmdrake.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Did you confuse &quot;disabling repos&quot; and &quot;marking a repo for updates&quot; (sorry, me doesn't know the exact English strings).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So you have to enable the backports repos and even though you don't &quot;mark them as update repos&quot;, urpmi will ignore that (rpmdrake won't but urpmi will) and will update everything from those repos...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dexter Morgan &lt;dmorganec@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 10.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Angelo Naselli &lt;anaselli@linux.it&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; WDYT?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I'd add that this task could be a good start for padawans, well i</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; could try to mentor someone here :) ... easier if we're going to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; be a team in this task (if dmorgan agrees and joins me/us :p )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes of course :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Last year at some German linux event I was talking with a guy from Seminarix, a project providing a Sidux/Aptosid based distro for teachers-to-be.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So we could take their software collection as an example and look what's left to do.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dexter Morgan &lt;dmorganec@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 10.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Angelo Naselli &lt;anaselli@linux.it&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; WDYT?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I'd add that this task could be a good start for padawans, well i</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; could try to mentor someone here :) ... easier if we're going to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; be a team in this task (if dmorgan agrees and joins me/us :p )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes of course :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Last year at some German linux event I was talking with a guy from Seminarix, a project providing a Sidux/Aptosid based distro for teachers-to-be.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So we could take their software collection as an example and look what's left to do.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi Stefano,<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I think is a good task and I will help Angelo.<br>
+</div>Thanks.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; First we need to discuss if develop under KDE or also Gnome (2), taking into<br>
+&gt; consideration also the old hardware on which usually it&#39;s installed.<br>
+</div>Well I know you and probably what you mean... but it&#39;s really hard to understand :)<br>
+<br>
+There&#39;s nothing to choose in the first two items - well maybe a little bit in<br>
+the second one :) - I mean importing programs is not related to a specific DE,<br>
+if that program has been developed using a library more than another it will<br>
+run better in a DE that is written for that library (e.g. gtk/gnome or qt/kde<br>
+for instance), but that does not avoid using such a program into other DEs ;)<br>
+<br>
+Now let&#39;s see if i understood your point, if you mean about live-cd well yes<br>
+something has to be decided, but that&#39;s not a big priority task, i&#39;d like to<br>
+have a more user friendly installable and with a wide choice system concerning<br>
+educational programs first.<br>
+After that we could add more configuration files to draklive implementing one or<br>
+more specific edu-tasks.<br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">        Angelo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>To run the educational programs even on new hardware and on old ones, i would propose not to choose kde or gnome. XFCE or LXDE would be a better choice i think. But it&#39;s only my point of view.<br>
+<br>As you mentioned, we don&#39;t need to decide that now. At first we need the programs than we can decide to create a live-cd out of it.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi Stefano,<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I think is a good task and I will help Angelo.<br>
+</div>Thanks.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; First we need to discuss if develop under KDE or also Gnome (2), taking into<br>
+&gt; consideration also the old hardware on which usually it&#39;s installed.<br>
+</div>Well I know you and probably what you mean... but it&#39;s really hard to understand :)<br>
+<br>
+There&#39;s nothing to choose in the first two items - well maybe a little bit in<br>
+the second one :) - I mean importing programs is not related to a specific DE,<br>
+if that program has been developed using a library more than another it will<br>
+run better in a DE that is written for that library (e.g. gtk/gnome or qt/kde<br>
+for instance), but that does not avoid using such a program into other DEs ;)<br>
+<br>
+Now let&#39;s see if i understood your point, if you mean about live-cd well yes<br>
+something has to be decided, but that&#39;s not a big priority task, i&#39;d like to<br>
+have a more user friendly installable and with a wide choice system concerning<br>
+educational programs first.<br>
+After that we could add more configuration files to draklive implementing one or<br>
+more specific edu-tasks.<br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">        Angelo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>To run the educational programs even on new hardware and on old ones, i would propose not to choose kde or gnome. XFCE or LXDE would be a better choice i think. But it&#39;s only my point of view.<br>
+<br>As you mentioned, we don&#39;t need to decide that now. At first we need the programs than we can decide to create a live-cd out of it.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thomas Backlund &lt;tmb@mageia.org&gt; schrieb am 10.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So the path would then be */updates_testing -&gt; */updates _if_ we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; decide that's the way to go...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As I see it, it's the only user friendly way. Using backports is fine for experienced users who do know what to install from backports or who are capable of facing the consequences.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If a total newbie asks fort a package in the forums and is pointed to backports he is in great danger of wrecking his system by installing some new kernel, graphics driver, desktop or whatever, precisely because there is no real qa on backports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thomas Backlund &lt;tmb@mageia.org&gt; schrieb am 10.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So the path would then be */updates_testing -&gt; */updates _if_ we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; decide that's the way to go...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As I see it, it's the only user friendly way. Using backports is fine for experienced users who do know what to install from backports or who are capable of facing the consequences.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If a total newbie asks fort a package in the forums and is pointed to backports he is in great danger of wrecking his system by installing some new kernel, graphics driver, desktop or whatever, precisely because there is no real qa on backports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/9 Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi<br>
+i&#39;d like to add an item to mageia 2 specification, e.g.<br>
+improving the educational part. (Already added into wiki)<br>.....<br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">        Angelo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I think is a good task and I will help Angelo.<div>First we need to discuss if develop under KDE or also Gnome (2), taking into consideration also the old hardware on which usually it&#39;s installed.</div>
+<div><br>-- <br>Stblack<br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/9 Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi<br>
+i&#39;d like to add an item to mageia 2 specification, e.g.<br>
+improving the educational part. (Already added into wiki)<br>.....<br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">        Angelo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I think is a good task and I will help Angelo.<div>First we need to discuss if develop under KDE or also Gnome (2), taking into consideration also the old hardware on which usually it&#39;s installed.</div>
+<div><br>-- <br>Stblack<br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/11 Dick Gevers <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dvgevers@xs4all.nl">dvgevers@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Not that I understand half of what is posted, but for reference and<br>
+satisfying my curiosity, I&#39;d like to subscribe to the submit ML, but can&#39;t<br>
+find it at <a href="https://mageia.org/mailman/" target="_blank">https://mageia.org/mailman/</a><br>
+<br>
+Obviously I can send a subscribe mail, but I dunno the details.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>have a look on <a href="https://ml.mageia.org/">https://ml.mageia.org/</a>. Some of the ML are still hosted on Zarb server and others have been created on Mageia servers. This is on sysadmin todo list</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+TIA!<br>
+<font color="#888888">=Dick Gevers=<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/11 Dick Gevers <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dvgevers@xs4all.nl">dvgevers@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Not that I understand half of what is posted, but for reference and<br>
+satisfying my curiosity, I&#39;d like to subscribe to the submit ML, but can&#39;t<br>
+find it at <a href="https://mageia.org/mailman/" target="_blank">https://mageia.org/mailman/</a><br>
+<br>
+Obviously I can send a subscribe mail, but I dunno the details.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>have a look on <a href="https://ml.mageia.org/">https://ml.mageia.org/</a>. Some of the ML are still hosted on Zarb server and others have been created on Mageia servers. This is on sysadmin todo list</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+TIA!<br>
+<font color="#888888">=Dick Gevers=<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+%define name		get-skype
+%define version		2.2.0.35
+%define release 	%mkrel 6
+%define instdir 	%{_datadir}/skype
+%define langdir 	%{instdir}/lang
+%define avatardir 	%{instdir}/avatars
+%define sounddir 	%{instdir}/sounds
+%define icondir 	%{instdir}/icons
+%define md5 		6e28002c0086fae5206e2d242c3edcfa
+%define mytmp 		%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}
+
+Summary:	Download and Install Skype.
+Name:		%{name}
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+License:	Proprietary
+Group:		Networking/Instant messaging
+URL:		http://www.skype.com
+Buildarch:	noarch
+Requires:	wget
+Requires:       liblcms1
+Requires:       libmng1
+Requires:       libqtcore4
+Requires:       libqtdbus4
+Requires:       libqtnetwork4
+Requires:       libqtgui4
+Requires:       libqtsvg4
+Requires:       libqtxml4
+Requires:       libxscrnsaver1
+Requires:       libxv1
+Requires:	libv4l-wrappers
+
+# The following are lists of filenames (124 in total) placed 
+# in text files to save clutter in the spec.
+Source0:	avatars-2.2.0.35.txt
+Source1:	sounds-2.2.0.35.txt
+Source2:	lang-2.2.0.35.txt
+
+%description
+
+This is an installer for Skype-%{version}.
+
+This package does not contain any files as the Skype license does not allow distribution.
+By installing this package you will download and install Skype from skype.com.
+You must accept the Skype EULA before using it.
+Please be patient - this is a 23MB download and may take some time.
+Uninstalling this package will uninstall Skype from your system.
+
+%pre
+
+mkdir %{mytmp}
+cd %{mytmp}
+wget -nc "http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2"
+
+md5chk=$(md5sum skype-%{version}.tar.bz2 | cut -d' ' -f1)
+if [[ %{md5} != $md5chk ]]; then
+rm skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+cd ..
+rm -r %{mytmp}
+echo "Error - download failed"
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%install
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_bindir}
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications
+touch %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/{skype.desktop,skype,skype.conf,LICENSE,README}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{langdir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{langdir}/skype_"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE2}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}/icons
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_iconsdir}
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+for i in 16 32 48; do
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/icons/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+done
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{avatardir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{avatardir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE0}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{sounddir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{sounddir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE1}
+
+echo "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so %{instdir}/skype --resources=%{instdir}"\
+ > %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype && chmod +x %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype
+
+%post
+
+newtmp=$(mktemp -d)
+%define tmpextdir $newtmp
+cd %{tmpextdir}
+tar jxf %{mytmp}/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+
+%define tmpdir %{tmpextdir}/skype-%{version}
+mkdir %{instdir}
+
+cp -a %{tmpdir}/icons/* %{_iconsdir}
+cp -a %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_48x48.png %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+cp -a %{tmpdir}/skype.desktop %{_datadir}/applications/
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype.desktop %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype.conf %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/LICENSE %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/README %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/avatars %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/lang %{langdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/sounds %{sounddir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/icons %{icondir}
+rm -r %{tmpdir}
+cd ..
+rm -r %{tmpextdir}
+rm -r %{mytmp}         
+
+%clean
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+
+%files
+
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_bindir}/skype
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_*.png
+%ghost %{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+%ghost %{instdir}
+
+%changelog
+
+* Sat Jun 11 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-6.mga1
+- Added md5sum check on download and cleanup on fail.
+- Downloads to /var/lib/get-skype - removed after install.
+- Creates unique /tmp/tmp.xxxx dir for extraction of tar.
+- Added versioning to .txt files.
+- Added removal of all tmp directories after install.
+- Corrected URL: 
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-5.mga1
+- Bumped release to test update - no changes
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-4.mga1
+- Moved installation to /usr/share instead of /opt
+- Changed group and license
+- Changed temporary dir
+- Changed to wget for d/l
+
+* Mon Jun 6 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-2.mga1
+- Moved download to %pre to stop install if d/l fails
+
+* Sun Jun 5 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-1.mga1
+- Changed get-skype version to follow Skype version.
+- Changed URL to directly download only correct version.
+- A copy of the downloaded file is retained in /tmp/skype-%{version} to
+- speed re-installation (unless you clean /tmp)
+
+* Sat Jun 4 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 0.2.mga1
+- Now all files are registered in rpm database.
+- lang, avatar and sound filenames supplied in source files.
+
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+%define name		get-skype
+%define version		2.2.0.35
+%define release 	%mkrel 6
+%define instdir 	%{_datadir}/skype
+%define langdir 	%{instdir}/lang
+%define avatardir 	%{instdir}/avatars
+%define sounddir 	%{instdir}/sounds
+%define icondir 	%{instdir}/icons
+%define md5 		6e28002c0086fae5206e2d242c3edcfa
+%define mytmp 		%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}
+
+Summary:	Download and Install Skype.
+Name:		%{name}
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+License:	Proprietary
+Group:		Networking/Instant messaging
+URL:		http://www.skype.com
+Buildarch:	noarch
+Requires:	wget
+Requires:       liblcms1
+Requires:       libmng1
+Requires:       libqtcore4
+Requires:       libqtdbus4
+Requires:       libqtnetwork4
+Requires:       libqtgui4
+Requires:       libqtsvg4
+Requires:       libqtxml4
+Requires:       libxscrnsaver1
+Requires:       libxv1
+Requires:	libv4l-wrappers
+
+# The following are lists of filenames (124 in total) placed 
+# in text files to save clutter in the spec.
+Source0:	avatars-2.2.0.35.txt
+Source1:	sounds-2.2.0.35.txt
+Source2:	lang-2.2.0.35.txt
+
+%description
+
+This is an installer for Skype-%{version}.
+
+This package does not contain any files as the Skype license does not allow distribution.
+By installing this package you will download and install Skype from skype.com.
+You must accept the Skype EULA before using it.
+Please be patient - this is a 23MB download and may take some time.
+Uninstalling this package will uninstall Skype from your system.
+
+%pre
+
+mkdir %{mytmp}
+cd %{mytmp}
+wget -nc "http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2"
+
+md5chk=$(md5sum skype-%{version}.tar.bz2 | cut -d' ' -f1)
+if [[ %{md5} != $md5chk ]]; then
+rm skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+cd ..
+rm -r %{mytmp}
+echo "Error - download failed"
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%install
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_bindir}
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications
+touch %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/{skype.desktop,skype,skype.conf,LICENSE,README}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{langdir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{langdir}/skype_"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE2}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}/icons
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_iconsdir}
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+for i in 16 32 48; do
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/icons/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+done
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{avatardir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{avatardir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE0}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{sounddir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{sounddir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE1}
+
+echo "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so %{instdir}/skype --resources=%{instdir}"\
+ > %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype && chmod +x %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype
+
+%post
+
+newtmp=$(mktemp -d)
+%define tmpextdir $newtmp
+cd %{tmpextdir}
+tar jxf %{mytmp}/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+
+%define tmpdir %{tmpextdir}/skype-%{version}
+mkdir %{instdir}
+
+cp -a %{tmpdir}/icons/* %{_iconsdir}
+cp -a %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_48x48.png %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+cp -a %{tmpdir}/skype.desktop %{_datadir}/applications/
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype.desktop %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype.conf %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/LICENSE %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/README %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/avatars %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/lang %{langdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/sounds %{sounddir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/icons %{icondir}
+rm -r %{tmpdir}
+cd ..
+rm -r %{tmpextdir}
+rm -r %{mytmp}         
+
+%clean
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+
+%files
+
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_bindir}/skype
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_*.png
+%ghost %{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+%ghost %{instdir}
+
+%changelog
+
+* Sat Jun 11 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-6.mga1
+- Added md5sum check on download and cleanup on fail.
+- Downloads to /var/lib/get-skype - removed after install.
+- Creates unique /tmp/tmp.xxxx dir for extraction of tar.
+- Added versioning to .txt files.
+- Added removal of all tmp directories after install.
+- Corrected URL: 
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-5.mga1
+- Bumped release to test update - no changes
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-4.mga1
+- Moved installation to /usr/share instead of /opt
+- Changed group and license
+- Changed temporary dir
+- Changed to wget for d/l
+
+* Mon Jun 6 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-2.mga1
+- Moved download to %pre to stop install if d/l fails
+
+* Sun Jun 5 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-1.mga1
+- Changed get-skype version to follow Skype version.
+- Changed URL to directly download only correct version.
+- A copy of the downloaded file is retained in /tmp/skype-%{version} to
+- speed re-installation (unless you clean /tmp)
+
+* Sat Jun 4 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 0.2.mga1
+- Now all files are registered in rpm database.
+- lang, avatar and sound filenames supplied in source files.
+
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We can agree that everybody want something newer for some rpms, but few</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; people want everything to be newer ( ie, now one run backports as a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; update media, I think ). So as much as I am against asking to users</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; questions, we must show them the choice somewhere, in a non obstrusive</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; way.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Maybe, but how would be &quot;support&quot; this? We must be able to reproduce a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; reported problem. This becomes complicated when we don't know what is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; installed on the user's system. A guideline for bug reporters is (or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; should be) &quot;make sure you installed the latest updates&quot;. What would be the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; equivalent for backports? I'm afraid it should be &quot;if you installed any</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; backports, make sure you installed all backports that are relevant for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; your system&quot;. If someone has a problem with any other combination, the bug</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; report might be rejected. How would QA even work when only selected</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; packages are upgraded from backports, or integration testing:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; integration with what?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So the only combinations we can support are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    - release + updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    - release + updates + backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; More practical: for mga1 I have a VM that I can keep updated. For mga1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; backports I can install another VM with backports enabled. But for bugs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; reported with only selected backports installed I suppose I would have to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; install a new VM with mga1, update it, and install only those backports -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; for each bug report. But maybe I'm missing something, please explain. (:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If we suppose that either updates or backports are supported (with a support level to be defined), the situation is simpler to me :  a good backport must work  with all its dependencies coming from updates or release OR it must explicitly require higher versions, found only in the backports media and so automatically pulled.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So I don't think that having picked up only certain backported packages is a problem for the maintainer's support. Maybe I over-simplified the situation, but I don't think it will be as complex as you say.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel </p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We can agree that everybody want something newer for some rpms, but few</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; people want everything to be newer ( ie, now one run backports as a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; update media, I think ). So as much as I am against asking to users</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; questions, we must show them the choice somewhere, in a non obstrusive</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; way.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Maybe, but how would be &quot;support&quot; this? We must be able to reproduce a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; reported problem. This becomes complicated when we don't know what is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; installed on the user's system. A guideline for bug reporters is (or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; should be) &quot;make sure you installed the latest updates&quot;. What would be the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; equivalent for backports? I'm afraid it should be &quot;if you installed any</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; backports, make sure you installed all backports that are relevant for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; your system&quot;. If someone has a problem with any other combination, the bug</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; report might be rejected. How would QA even work when only selected</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; packages are upgraded from backports, or integration testing:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; integration with what?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So the only combinations we can support are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    - release + updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    - release + updates + backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; More practical: for mga1 I have a VM that I can keep updated. For mga1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; backports I can install another VM with backports enabled. But for bugs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; reported with only selected backports installed I suppose I would have to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; install a new VM with mga1, update it, and install only those backports -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; for each bug report. But maybe I'm missing something, please explain. (:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If we suppose that either updates or backports are supported (with a support level to be defined), the situation is simpler to me :  a good backport must work  with all its dependencies coming from updates or release OR it must explicitly require higher versions, found only in the backports media and so automatically pulled.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So I don't think that having picked up only certain backported packages is a problem for the maintainer's support. Maybe I over-simplified the situation, but I don't think it will be as complex as you say.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel </p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 11 juin 2011 18:01:54, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 16:55:00 schreef Samuel Verschelde:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le samedi 11 juin 2011 14:26:19, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 13:14:29 schreef Samuel Verschelde:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We can agree that everybody want something newer for some rpms,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; but few people want everything to be newer ( ie, now one run</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; backports as a update media, I think ). So as much as I am</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; against asking to users questions, we must show them the choice</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somewhere, in a non obstrusive way.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Maybe, but how would be &quot;support&quot; this? We must be able to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; reproduce a reported problem. This becomes complicated when we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; don't know what is installed on the user's system. A guideline for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; bug reporters is (or should be) &quot;make sure you installed the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; latest updates&quot;. What would be the equivalent for backports? I'm</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; afraid it should be &quot;if you installed any backports, make sure you</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; installed all backports that are relevant for your system&quot;. If</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; someone has a problem with any other combination, the bug report</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; might be rejected. How would QA even work when only selected</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; packages are upgraded from backports, or integration testing:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; integration with what?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So the only combinations we can support are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;    - release + updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;    - release + updates + backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; More practical: for mga1 I have a VM that I can keep updated. For</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; mga1 backports I can install another VM with backports enabled. But</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for bugs reported with only selected backports installed I suppose</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I would have to install a new VM with mga1, update it, and install</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; only those backports -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for each bug report. But maybe I'm missing something, please</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; explain.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If we suppose that either updates or backports are supported (with a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; support level to be defined), the situation is simpler to me :  a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; good backport must work  with all its dependencies coming from</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; updates or release OR it must explicitly require higher versions,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; found only in the backports media and so automatically pulled.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So I don't think that having picked up only certain backported</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; packages is a problem for the maintainer's support. Maybe I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; over-simplified the situation, but I don't think it will be as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; complex as you say.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; imho this creates more work for packagers or qa team to support</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; backports, i'm not really in favor of this solution</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; So it someone has a problem with a package you backported and reports it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; in bugzilla, you'll answer &quot;not supported&quot; and close the door ? Then we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; have not a single chance to have users accept to use backports rather</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; than ask for a rolling release (supposing that we want to stay with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; stable releases model, which hasn't been decided yet).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; In my opinion, a backport must be either supported or not exist. Even in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Mandriva, where everybody keep saying &quot;backports ain't supported&quot;,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; usually people try to solve the problems caused by backports.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; However, the level of support can be different between backports and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; updates, as I said in my previous message. The differences are yet to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; define, but here are some I see :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - when a critical bug in a backport exists, you can simply update to a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; newer version and see if it's solved</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - if the program already is in its the latest version and has an upstream</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; bug, you can answer &quot;report the bug upstream&quot; and stop there until</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; upstream solves the bug. For packages in release or updates, ideally you</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; have to try to help fixing it or work it around because the bug is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; considered part of the whole distribution.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Best regards</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; What about security fixes? if there's 1 version in release and 10 in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; backports? do the older backported packages have to be securitypatched?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; imho not supported backports means that if backports has an issue, try a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; newer backports...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; imho that is a good level, that doesn't require much effort.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think we agree, because if we follow the Mandriva way, upload of a new backport for a given package removes the old one if there is one. So at a given time, you only have to support the package in release or updates + 0 or 1 backport.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 11 juin 2011 18:01:54, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 16:55:00 schreef Samuel Verschelde:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le samedi 11 juin 2011 14:26:19, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 13:14:29 schreef Samuel Verschelde:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We can agree that everybody want something newer for some rpms,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; but few people want everything to be newer ( ie, now one run</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; backports as a update media, I think ). So as much as I am</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; against asking to users questions, we must show them the choice</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; somewhere, in a non obstrusive way.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Maybe, but how would be &quot;support&quot; this? We must be able to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; reproduce a reported problem. This becomes complicated when we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; don't know what is installed on the user's system. A guideline for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; bug reporters is (or should be) &quot;make sure you installed the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; latest updates&quot;. What would be the equivalent for backports? I'm</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; afraid it should be &quot;if you installed any backports, make sure you</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; installed all backports that are relevant for your system&quot;. If</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; someone has a problem with any other combination, the bug report</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; might be rejected. How would QA even work when only selected</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; packages are upgraded from backports, or integration testing:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; integration with what?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So the only combinations we can support are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;    - release + updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;    - release + updates + backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; More practical: for mga1 I have a VM that I can keep updated. For</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; mga1 backports I can install another VM with backports enabled. But</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for bugs reported with only selected backports installed I suppose</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I would have to install a new VM with mga1, update it, and install</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; only those backports -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for each bug report. But maybe I'm missing something, please</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; explain.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If we suppose that either updates or backports are supported (with a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; support level to be defined), the situation is simpler to me :  a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; good backport must work  with all its dependencies coming from</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; updates or release OR it must explicitly require higher versions,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; found only in the backports media and so automatically pulled.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So I don't think that having picked up only certain backported</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; packages is a problem for the maintainer's support. Maybe I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; over-simplified the situation, but I don't think it will be as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; complex as you say.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; imho this creates more work for packagers or qa team to support</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; backports, i'm not really in favor of this solution</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; So it someone has a problem with a package you backported and reports it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; in bugzilla, you'll answer &quot;not supported&quot; and close the door ? Then we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; have not a single chance to have users accept to use backports rather</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; than ask for a rolling release (supposing that we want to stay with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; stable releases model, which hasn't been decided yet).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; In my opinion, a backport must be either supported or not exist. Even in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Mandriva, where everybody keep saying &quot;backports ain't supported&quot;,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; usually people try to solve the problems caused by backports.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; However, the level of support can be different between backports and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; updates, as I said in my previous message. The differences are yet to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; define, but here are some I see :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - when a critical bug in a backport exists, you can simply update to a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; newer version and see if it's solved</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - if the program already is in its the latest version and has an upstream</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; bug, you can answer &quot;report the bug upstream&quot; and stop there until</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; upstream solves the bug. For packages in release or updates, ideally you</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; have to try to help fixing it or work it around because the bug is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; considered part of the whole distribution.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Best regards</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; What about security fixes? if there's 1 version in release and 10 in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; backports? do the older backported packages have to be securitypatched?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; imho not supported backports means that if backports has an issue, try a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; newer backports...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; imho that is a good level, that doesn't require much effort.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think we agree, because if we follow the Mandriva way, upload of a new backport for a given package removes the old one if there is one. So at a given time, you only have to support the package in release or updates + 0 or 1 backport.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 11 juin 2011 14:26:19, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 13:14:29 schreef Samuel Verschelde:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We can agree that everybody want something newer for some rpms, but</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; few people want everything to be newer ( ie, now one run backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; as a update media, I think ). So as much as I am against asking to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; users questions, we must show them the choice somewhere, in a non</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; obstrusive way.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Maybe, but how would be &quot;support&quot; this? We must be able to reproduce a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; reported problem. This becomes complicated when we don't know what is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; installed on the user's system. A guideline for bug reporters is (or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; should be) &quot;make sure you installed the latest updates&quot;. What would be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; the equivalent for backports? I'm afraid it should be &quot;if you installed</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; any backports, make sure you installed all backports that are relevant</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; for your system&quot;. If someone has a problem with any other combination,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; the bug report might be rejected. How would QA even work when only</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; selected packages are upgraded from backports, or integration testing:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; integration with what?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; So the only combinations we can support are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;    - release + updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;    - release + updates + backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; More practical: for mga1 I have a VM that I can keep updated. For mga1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; backports I can install another VM with backports enabled. But for bugs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; reported with only selected backports installed I suppose I would have</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; to install a new VM with mga1, update it, and install only those</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; backports -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; for each bug report. But maybe I'm missing something, please explain. (:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If we suppose that either updates or backports are supported (with a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; support level to be defined), the situation is simpler to me :  a good</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; backport must work  with all its dependencies coming from updates or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; release OR it must explicitly require higher versions, found only in the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; backports media and so automatically pulled.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; So I don't think that having picked up only certain backported packages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; is a problem for the maintainer's support. Maybe I over-simplified the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; situation, but I don't think it will be as complex as you say.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; imho this creates more work for packagers or qa team to support backports,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; i'm not really in favor of this solution</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So it someone has a problem with a package you backported and reports it in bugzilla, you'll answer &quot;not supported&quot; and close the door ? Then we have not a single chance to have users accept to use backports rather than ask for a rolling release (supposing that we want to stay with stable releases model, which hasn't been decided yet).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In my opinion, a backport must be either supported or not exist. Even in Mandriva, where everybody keep saying &quot;backports ain't supported&quot;, usually people try to solve the problems caused by backports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">However, the level of support can be different between backports and updates, as I said in my previous message. The differences are yet to define, but here are some I see :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- when a critical bug in a backport exists, you can simply update to a newer version and see if it's solved</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- if the program already is in its the latest version and has an upstream bug, you can answer &quot;report the bug upstream&quot; and stop there until upstream solves the bug. For packages in release or updates, ideally you have to try to help fixing it or work it around because the bug is considered part of the whole distribution.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 11 juin 2011 14:26:19, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op zaterdag 11 juni 2011 13:14:29 schreef Samuel Verschelde:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le samedi 11 juin 2011 12:06:55, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We can agree that everybody want something newer for some rpms, but</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; few people want everything to be newer ( ie, now one run backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; as a update media, I think ). So as much as I am against asking to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; users questions, we must show them the choice somewhere, in a non</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; obstrusive way.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Maybe, but how would be &quot;support&quot; this? We must be able to reproduce a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; reported problem. This becomes complicated when we don't know what is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; installed on the user's system. A guideline for bug reporters is (or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; should be) &quot;make sure you installed the latest updates&quot;. What would be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; the equivalent for backports? I'm afraid it should be &quot;if you installed</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; any backports, make sure you installed all backports that are relevant</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; for your system&quot;. If someone has a problem with any other combination,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; the bug report might be rejected. How would QA even work when only</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; selected packages are upgraded from backports, or integration testing:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; integration with what?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; So the only combinations we can support are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;    - release + updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;    - release + updates + backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; More practical: for mga1 I have a VM that I can keep updated. For mga1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; backports I can install another VM with backports enabled. But for bugs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; reported with only selected backports installed I suppose I would have</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; to install a new VM with mga1, update it, and install only those</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; backports -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; for each bug report. But maybe I'm missing something, please explain. (:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If we suppose that either updates or backports are supported (with a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; support level to be defined), the situation is simpler to me :  a good</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; backport must work  with all its dependencies coming from updates or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; release OR it must explicitly require higher versions, found only in the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; backports media and so automatically pulled.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; So I don't think that having picked up only certain backported packages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; is a problem for the maintainer's support. Maybe I over-simplified the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; situation, but I don't think it will be as complex as you say.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; imho this creates more work for packagers or qa team to support backports,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; i'm not really in favor of this solution</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So it someone has a problem with a package you backported and reports it in bugzilla, you'll answer &quot;not supported&quot; and close the door ? Then we have not a single chance to have users accept to use backports rather than ask for a rolling release (supposing that we want to stay with stable releases model, which hasn't been decided yet).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In my opinion, a backport must be either supported or not exist. Even in Mandriva, where everybody keep saying &quot;backports ain't supported&quot;, usually people try to solve the problems caused by backports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">However, the level of support can be different between backports and updates, as I said in my previous message. The differences are yet to define, but here are some I see :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- when a critical bug in a backport exists, you can simply update to a newer version and see if it's solved</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- if the program already is in its the latest version and has an upstream bug, you can answer &quot;report the bug upstream&quot; and stop there until upstream solves the bug. For packages in release or updates, ideally you have to try to help fixing it or work it around because the bug is considered part of the whole distribution.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Hello,</font><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; ">I hope I am doing this right as I have never used this type of thing before, I will apologize before hand if not.</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; ">I wrote a proposal on the forums and I think it is very good and I would like it at the very least just heard and seen if it might work in the ideals of the project. I joined this list to get this out here. I am going to do copy/paste from my original post(s) to get this here.. Post 1:</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><meta http-equiv="content-type"
+ content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; ">Here is what I propose:<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Unstable- This is the place where it all starts! Packages come from upstream end up here and move forward if no show stopper bugs are found<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Rolling Unstable- Packages that leave Unstable come here to be tested for stability and made stable...
+ Bleeding edge rolling (Debian Unstable)<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Rolling Stable- Packages that are stable in Rolling Unstable for X amount of time come here.... Stable rolling (Arch)<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Point releases- These releases are taken from the stable rolling release and supported for X amount of time... Security updates only&nbsp;<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">LTS release- These are rock solid stable (Debian stable) and snap shots from point release on whole number<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;
+ margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">So we would have unstable (easy to understand), unstable rolling for those who want cutting edge software, stable rolling for those who want to roll stable, point releases for those who like to install every now and then and LTS which after the way down the line should be VERY stable!</span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana,
+ Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; ">Further info:</span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; "><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">1 developer releases 1 package. Package maintainer pulls package into unstable (developers don't make a habit of making crappy packages, stability is judged by the whole system running in harmony). Maintainers job is to make sure it works before it leaves unstable. When the package gains stability in unstable (basically you are able to install the package and have a
+ usable system) the package moves to the next stage, rolling unstable. Rolling unstable is a test bed of bleeding edge software from the package maintainer for a X amount of time (we are still on this one package). Now, the next time this package moves it is from a scheduled pull, so this package after X amount of time now gets "pulled" into the next phase (rolling stable (as long as there are no show stopper bugs)). From here on out the "team" responsible pulls in packages from up stream (rolling unstable) and the package maintainer just repeats this process in working at the top of the ladder. Security updates and bug fixes can be "pushed" down by the maintainer.<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
+ padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Where is this hard? Sounds like any other distribution to me... Debian maybe?<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Anyway...<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">2.0 will become an LTS. Not a packaging nightmare at all... A snapshot of rolling stable from a point in time that matures with bug fixes and security updates. Kernel only updates
+ within kernel branch (2.6.30-XX).<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">2.1 is a point release... Snapshot of rolling unstable (again easy on package maintainer). Supported for X amount of time. Becomes slightly mature as bug fixes and core updates make it so (from stuff already coming down from up stream).<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">So we have 1 package maintainer
+ working packages that are pushed into rolling unstable (think testing) and trickle on down the line with help from the community team of "distribution" maintainers.<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">One rolling set of packages ever changing like a fine oiled machine. The logic just sounds right to me and very efficient I think...<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">EDIT: If
+ you wanted to "shorten" the amount of "projects (I guess)" you could omit anything below rolling unstable.<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Rolling unstable for instance could roll into a full fledged release (Not a good idea IMHO)<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Rolling stable we could do without and we would be Debian all over (maybe more bleeding edge on the release)<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px;
+ ">LTS does not have to be... But LTS would be a very good way to get us used on servers...<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Point releases are for those who don't like the rolling model... This is a "showcase" release to show everyone what we are without having to roll&nbsp;<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Up to anyone really but this model is so versatile it really don't matter. You could omit about any point below the maintainer and have working mechanics.</span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span
+ class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; ">________________________________________________________________________</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;">Last post was in response to a disagreement with someone else. To help make my idea more fitting I was suggesting ways within my idea where things can change. Was under the impression the other part thought the idea would be hard on the package maintainer, I didn't and still don't see this problem. With everything being snapshots of the rolling model,&nbsp;maintaining should be very easy.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica,
+ Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;">We could become fully rolling with this model, rolling and stable (debian but with newer packages), rolling unstable with LTS releases, rolling with general releases... Really there are a lot of&nbsp;possibilities&nbsp;based on this model.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="line-height: 18px;">I like it...</span></font></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div></td></tr></table>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" style="font-size: 10pt; ">Hello,</font><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; ">I hope I am doing this right as I have never used this type of thing before, I will apologize before hand if not.</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; ">I wrote a proposal on the forums and I think it is very good and I would like it at the very least just heard and seen if it might work in the ideals of the project. I joined this list to get this out here. I am going to do copy/paste from my original post(s) to get this here.. Post 1:</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><meta http-equiv="content-type"
+ content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; ">Here is what I propose:<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Unstable- This is the place where it all starts! Packages come from upstream end up here and move forward if no show stopper bugs are found<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Rolling Unstable- Packages that leave Unstable come here to be tested for stability and made stable...
+ Bleeding edge rolling (Debian Unstable)<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Rolling Stable- Packages that are stable in Rolling Unstable for X amount of time come here.... Stable rolling (Arch)<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Point releases- These releases are taken from the stable rolling release and supported for X amount of time... Security updates only&nbsp;<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">LTS release- These are rock solid stable (Debian stable) and snap shots from point release on whole number<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;
+ margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">So we would have unstable (easy to understand), unstable rolling for those who want cutting edge software, stable rolling for those who want to roll stable, point releases for those who like to install every now and then and LTS which after the way down the line should be VERY stable!</span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana,
+ Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; ">Further info:</span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; "><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">1 developer releases 1 package. Package maintainer pulls package into unstable (developers don't make a habit of making crappy packages, stability is judged by the whole system running in harmony). Maintainers job is to make sure it works before it leaves unstable. When the package gains stability in unstable (basically you are able to install the package and have a
+ usable system) the package moves to the next stage, rolling unstable. Rolling unstable is a test bed of bleeding edge software from the package maintainer for a X amount of time (we are still on this one package). Now, the next time this package moves it is from a scheduled pull, so this package after X amount of time now gets "pulled" into the next phase (rolling stable (as long as there are no show stopper bugs)). From here on out the "team" responsible pulls in packages from up stream (rolling unstable) and the package maintainer just repeats this process in working at the top of the ladder. Security updates and bug fixes can be "pushed" down by the maintainer.<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px;
+ padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Where is this hard? Sounds like any other distribution to me... Debian maybe?<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Anyway...<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">2.0 will become an LTS. Not a packaging nightmare at all... A snapshot of rolling stable from a point in time that matures with bug fixes and security updates. Kernel only updates
+ within kernel branch (2.6.30-XX).<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">2.1 is a point release... Snapshot of rolling unstable (again easy on package maintainer). Supported for X amount of time. Becomes slightly mature as bug fixes and core updates make it so (from stuff already coming down from up stream).<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">So we have 1 package maintainer
+ working packages that are pushed into rolling unstable (think testing) and trickle on down the line with help from the community team of "distribution" maintainers.<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">One rolling set of packages ever changing like a fine oiled machine. The logic just sounds right to me and very efficient I think...<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">EDIT: If
+ you wanted to "shorten" the amount of "projects (I guess)" you could omit anything below rolling unstable.<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Rolling unstable for instance could roll into a full fledged release (Not a good idea IMHO)<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Rolling stable we could do without and we would be Debian all over (maybe more bleeding edge on the release)<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px;
+ ">LTS does not have to be... But LTS would be a very good way to get us used on servers...<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Point releases are for those who don't like the rolling model... This is a "showcase" release to show everyone what we are without having to roll&nbsp;<br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><br style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Up to anyone really but this model is so versatile it really don't matter. You could omit about any point below the maintainer and have working mechanics.</span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span
+ class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; ">________________________________________________________________________</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;">Last post was in response to a disagreement with someone else. To help make my idea more fitting I was suggesting ways within my idea where things can change. Was under the impression the other part thought the idea would be hard on the package maintainer, I didn't and still don't see this problem. With everything being snapshots of the rolling model,&nbsp;maintaining should be very easy.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica,
+ Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;">We could become fully rolling with this model, rolling and stable (debian but with newer packages), rolling unstable with LTS releases, rolling with general releases... Really there are a lot of&nbsp;possibilities&nbsp;based on this model.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="line-height: 18px;">I like it...</span></font></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div></td></tr></table>
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+Hello,<br><br>will we get this as update for Mageia 1? <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>will we get this as update for Mageia 1? <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hello to everyone,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m sure there&#39;s someone among you who wants to help Mageia but hasn&#39;t found<br>
+yet the good way to do it. Today is your lucky day, because there&#39;s a job<br>
+that&#39;s available and can be really useful and interesting: coordinating the<br>
+packagers mentoring program.<br>
+<br>
+You know that one key point of success for Mageia is in the ability to welcome<br>
+new packagers. The better we will be at it, the better the distro will be. The<br>
+packagers mentoring program has been created for that reason and several<br>
+packagers have been or are being mentored. But we have some difficulty knowing<br>
+who is being mentored by who and who hasn&#39;t found a mentor. And we need also<br>
+to find more mentors and more apprentices.<br>
+<br>
+During a packagers weekly meeting, misc invited us to read the following<br>
+article about mentoring programs in open-source projects:<br>
+<a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/" target="_blank">http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/</a><br>
+<br>
+I invite those who haven&#39;t read it yet, to read it. I&#39;ll quote one of the<br>
+mentoring best practices that were given: &quot;In bigger projects, keeping track<br>
+of who is a mentor, and who is mentoring who, and inviting new mentors, and<br>
+ensuring that no-one falls through the cracks when a mentor gets too busy, is<br>
+a job of itself.&quot;<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m looking for someone who could fill that &quot;job&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+Description of the job:<br>
+<br>
+- keep track of:<br>
+-- who&#39;s being mentored by who, how well it&#39;s going<br>
+-- who needs a mentor and hasn&#39;t found one yet (this is one of the most<br>
+important parts: no volunteer must be forgotten, volunteers are too precious<br>
+!)<br>
+-- who can mentor more apprentices (and sometimes convince packagers to become<br>
+mentors or accept one more apprentice)<br>
+<br>
+- be available for questions from apprentices or mentors, by mail, and if<br>
+possible, to be present on the IRC channel #mageia-mentoring on freenode<br>
+<br>
+- help mentors with gathering &quot;junior tasks&quot; (bugzilla is a never empty<br>
+reserve that can be used for that. Maybe ask the bug triage team to help<br>
+identify such tasks. Maybe a &quot;junior task&quot; keyword in bugzilla would do the<br>
+trick)<br>
+-- small bugs to fix<br>
+-- new small packages to import in the distribution<br>
+-- backports<br>
+<br>
+- promote mentoring (empower users into contributers. Working with the<br>
+marketing team would be great I think):<br>
+-- make the mentoring program known (MLs, forums, web, etc.)<br>
+-- look for new apprentices<br>
+-- look for new mentors<br>
+<br>
+Some useful skills:<br>
+- be autonomous (ie no need to check that you&#39;re doing the work)<br>
+- good written english (communication is very important in this job)<br>
+- knowledge about packaging is a plus but not mandatory (the key aspects can<br>
+be taught to you)<br>
+- being or having been a mentor, or having been mentored would be a plus, but<br>
+not mandatory<br>
+<br>
+More information about the job:<br>
+- does not require a big amount of work, but real committment to the task and<br>
+regularity<br>
+- remember that you have a coordination role, not an authoritative role. The<br>
+difference in that is that you&#39;re not here to give orders but to facilitate the<br>
+mentoring program.<br>
+- you don&#39;t have to be alone to do this job if it&#39;s too much for one person:<br>
+you can find other helpful people wanting to help you if needed and rely on the<br>
+other teams (but finding them *is* part of your job ;) ).<br>
+-  this &quot;job offer&quot; concerns everything that revolves around the mentoring of<br>
+new packagers, but if it&#39;s successful maybe other teams can follow the same<br>
+approach (i18n, QA, etc... ).<br>
+-  depending on your level of confidence, experience and will, you could be<br>
+helped in your work. Maybe someone from the council can supervise and help you<br>
+at least at the beginning; or, if no one steps up, I can help you bootstrap<br>
+and organize your new &quot;job&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+So, who&#39;s in?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Hello Samuel,<br><br>the offer sounds nice. Maybe I can give it a try?<br><br>What do I already have in my mind?<br><br>- Creating a table on Mageia wiki where someone who wants to be mentored can put his name on, + the date he enters his name (so we can see how long he&#39;s waiting for a mentor)<br>
+- A table with all available mentors and the actual apprentices<br>- On a regular base asking the mentors if they can mentor someone new or if his apprentice is ready for a full membership<br>- Regular meeting where everyone can vote for a full mentorship of an apprentice<br clear="all">
+<br>So what do you think?<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hello to everyone,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m sure there&#39;s someone among you who wants to help Mageia but hasn&#39;t found<br>
+yet the good way to do it. Today is your lucky day, because there&#39;s a job<br>
+that&#39;s available and can be really useful and interesting: coordinating the<br>
+packagers mentoring program.<br>
+<br>
+You know that one key point of success for Mageia is in the ability to welcome<br>
+new packagers. The better we will be at it, the better the distro will be. The<br>
+packagers mentoring program has been created for that reason and several<br>
+packagers have been or are being mentored. But we have some difficulty knowing<br>
+who is being mentored by who and who hasn&#39;t found a mentor. And we need also<br>
+to find more mentors and more apprentices.<br>
+<br>
+During a packagers weekly meeting, misc invited us to read the following<br>
+article about mentoring programs in open-source projects:<br>
+<a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/" target="_blank">http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/</a><br>
+<br>
+I invite those who haven&#39;t read it yet, to read it. I&#39;ll quote one of the<br>
+mentoring best practices that were given: &quot;In bigger projects, keeping track<br>
+of who is a mentor, and who is mentoring who, and inviting new mentors, and<br>
+ensuring that no-one falls through the cracks when a mentor gets too busy, is<br>
+a job of itself.&quot;<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m looking for someone who could fill that &quot;job&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+Description of the job:<br>
+<br>
+- keep track of:<br>
+-- who&#39;s being mentored by who, how well it&#39;s going<br>
+-- who needs a mentor and hasn&#39;t found one yet (this is one of the most<br>
+important parts: no volunteer must be forgotten, volunteers are too precious<br>
+!)<br>
+-- who can mentor more apprentices (and sometimes convince packagers to become<br>
+mentors or accept one more apprentice)<br>
+<br>
+- be available for questions from apprentices or mentors, by mail, and if<br>
+possible, to be present on the IRC channel #mageia-mentoring on freenode<br>
+<br>
+- help mentors with gathering &quot;junior tasks&quot; (bugzilla is a never empty<br>
+reserve that can be used for that. Maybe ask the bug triage team to help<br>
+identify such tasks. Maybe a &quot;junior task&quot; keyword in bugzilla would do the<br>
+trick)<br>
+-- small bugs to fix<br>
+-- new small packages to import in the distribution<br>
+-- backports<br>
+<br>
+- promote mentoring (empower users into contributers. Working with the<br>
+marketing team would be great I think):<br>
+-- make the mentoring program known (MLs, forums, web, etc.)<br>
+-- look for new apprentices<br>
+-- look for new mentors<br>
+<br>
+Some useful skills:<br>
+- be autonomous (ie no need to check that you&#39;re doing the work)<br>
+- good written english (communication is very important in this job)<br>
+- knowledge about packaging is a plus but not mandatory (the key aspects can<br>
+be taught to you)<br>
+- being or having been a mentor, or having been mentored would be a plus, but<br>
+not mandatory<br>
+<br>
+More information about the job:<br>
+- does not require a big amount of work, but real committment to the task and<br>
+regularity<br>
+- remember that you have a coordination role, not an authoritative role. The<br>
+difference in that is that you&#39;re not here to give orders but to facilitate the<br>
+mentoring program.<br>
+- you don&#39;t have to be alone to do this job if it&#39;s too much for one person:<br>
+you can find other helpful people wanting to help you if needed and rely on the<br>
+other teams (but finding them *is* part of your job ;) ).<br>
+-  this &quot;job offer&quot; concerns everything that revolves around the mentoring of<br>
+new packagers, but if it&#39;s successful maybe other teams can follow the same<br>
+approach (i18n, QA, etc... ).<br>
+-  depending on your level of confidence, experience and will, you could be<br>
+helped in your work. Maybe someone from the council can supervise and help you<br>
+at least at the beginning; or, if no one steps up, I can help you bootstrap<br>
+and organize your new &quot;job&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+So, who&#39;s in?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Hello Samuel,<br><br>the offer sounds nice. Maybe I can give it a try?<br><br>What do I already have in my mind?<br><br>- Creating a table on Mageia wiki where someone who wants to be mentored can put his name on, + the date he enters his name (so we can see how long he&#39;s waiting for a mentor)<br>
+- A table with all available mentors and the actual apprentices<br>- On a regular base asking the mentors if they can mentor someone new or if his apprentice is ready for a full membership<br>- Regular meeting where everyone can vote for a full mentorship of an apprentice<br clear="all">
+<br>So what do you think?<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Hello,<div>I&#39;m not offer my candidacy, I&#39;m only a simple user.</div><div>But I offer my help as secrtary of the secratary of ...... the coordinator</div><div><br></div><div>As Mageia and I have the same birthday I&#39;m following the upgroth since the beginning.</div>
+<div>Also with a little help during qa for the final.</div><div><br></div><div>As I saw some requests for mentoring on the ml, I think it is important to show a quick response.</div><div>So mentoring team can do this, ask for the skill or say look to foo1, foo2 or foo3 on the bug-list</div>
+<div>during we are looking for mentor.</div><div>(perhaps the packagers can classify the complexity of new-package-request and &quot;simple&quot; bugs)</div><div><br></div><div>Also very important ist the actuality of the wiki.</div>
+<div>So we must have a look on the bug-list, ml and irc not to loose any request for mentoring.</div><div>On the other side we must have/build a very good communicatio to the packagers to avoid double work on packages</div>
+<div>and to help for equal distribution of the mentoring work. </div><div><br></div><div>Although not filling the wanted skills (no packager, no being a mentor, not good english knowledge)</div><div>I&#39;m ready to help.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think some more eyes are always good :-)</div><div><br></div><div>So if I can help call me</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br></div><div>PS: In my job as it-auditor documentation, communication and learning new thinks are the normal things </div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>  <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt; Some useful skills:<br>
+&gt; - be autonomous (ie no need to check that you&#39;re doing the work)<br>
+&gt; - good written english (communication is very important in this job)<br>
+&gt; - knowledge about packaging is a plus but not mandatory (the key aspects can<br>
+&gt; be taught to you)<br>
+&gt; - being or having been a mentor, or having been mentored would be a plus, but<br>
+&gt; not mandatoryI offer my candidacy. I was mentored by shikamaru and i&#39;m a mandriva</div></div>
+packager since 2009 and a mageia packager since the start.<br>
+My english level is pretty good and i&#39;m pretty sociable.<br><br></blockquote></div></div>
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+Hello,<div>I&#39;m not offer my candidacy, I&#39;m only a simple user.</div><div>But I offer my help as secrtary of the secratary of ...... the coordinator</div><div><br></div><div>As Mageia and I have the same birthday I&#39;m following the upgroth since the beginning.</div>
+<div>Also with a little help during qa for the final.</div><div><br></div><div>As I saw some requests for mentoring on the ml, I think it is important to show a quick response.</div><div>So mentoring team can do this, ask for the skill or say look to foo1, foo2 or foo3 on the bug-list</div>
+<div>during we are looking for mentor.</div><div>(perhaps the packagers can classify the complexity of new-package-request and &quot;simple&quot; bugs)</div><div><br></div><div>Also very important ist the actuality of the wiki.</div>
+<div>So we must have a look on the bug-list, ml and irc not to loose any request for mentoring.</div><div>On the other side we must have/build a very good communicatio to the packagers to avoid double work on packages</div>
+<div>and to help for equal distribution of the mentoring work. </div><div><br></div><div>Although not filling the wanted skills (no packager, no being a mentor, not good english knowledge)</div><div>I&#39;m ready to help.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think some more eyes are always good :-)</div><div><br></div><div>So if I can help call me</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br></div><div>PS: In my job as it-auditor documentation, communication and learning new thinks are the normal things </div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>  <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt; Some useful skills:<br>
+&gt; - be autonomous (ie no need to check that you&#39;re doing the work)<br>
+&gt; - good written english (communication is very important in this job)<br>
+&gt; - knowledge about packaging is a plus but not mandatory (the key aspects can<br>
+&gt; be taught to you)<br>
+&gt; - being or having been a mentor, or having been mentored would be a plus, but<br>
+&gt; not mandatoryI offer my candidacy. I was mentored by shikamaru and i&#39;m a mandriva</div></div>
+packager since 2009 and a mageia packager since the start.<br>
+My english level is pretty good and i&#39;m pretty sociable.<br><br></blockquote></div></div>
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+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 12 juin 2011 17:43:38, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hello Samuel,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the offer sounds nice. Maybe I can give it a try?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I feared I would get no volunteer, so I sure won't say no ! I just want to wait a bit just in case there would be several volunteers, but I'm really glad you proposed your help :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; What do I already have in my mind?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - Creating a table on Mageia wiki where someone who wants to be mentored</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; can put his name on, + the date he enters his name (so we can see how long</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; he's waiting for a mentor)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - A table with all available mentors and the actual apprentices</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Those already exist but need to be maintained because they're often out of date :  http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But this page must not be the only place where you should look for apprentices. IIRC the standard procedure is to create a mentoring request on bugzilla (or is it only to ask for an account ?), and we must not forget those who ask in the mailing lists.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - On a regular base asking the mentors if they can mentor someone new or if</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; his apprentice is ready for a full membership</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This would be great yes.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - Regular meeting where everyone can vote for a full mentorship of an</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; apprentice</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't know if this is needed in your &quot;job&quot;, because AFAIK each mentors decides alone when his apprentice is ready.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 12 juin 2011 17:43:38, Daniel Kreuter a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hello Samuel,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the offer sounds nice. Maybe I can give it a try?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I feared I would get no volunteer, so I sure won't say no ! I just want to wait a bit just in case there would be several volunteers, but I'm really glad you proposed your help :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; What do I already have in my mind?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - Creating a table on Mageia wiki where someone who wants to be mentored</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; can put his name on, + the date he enters his name (so we can see how long</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; he's waiting for a mentor)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - A table with all available mentors and the actual apprentices</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Those already exist but need to be maintained because they're often out of date :  http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But this page must not be the only place where you should look for apprentices. IIRC the standard procedure is to create a mentoring request on bugzilla (or is it only to ask for an account ?), and we must not forget those who ask in the mailing lists.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - On a regular base asking the mentors if they can mentor someone new or if</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; his apprentice is ready for a full membership</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This would be great yes.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - Regular meeting where everyone can vote for a full mentorship of an</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; apprentice</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't know if this is needed in your &quot;job&quot;, because AFAIK each mentors decides alone when his apprentice is ready.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+%define name		get-skype
+%define version		2.2.0.35
+%define release 	%mkrel 7
+%define instdir 	%{_datadir}/skype
+%define langdir 	%{instdir}/lang
+%define avatardir 	%{instdir}/avatars
+%define sounddir 	%{instdir}/sounds
+%define icondir 	%{instdir}/icons
+%define md5 		6e28002c0086fae5206e2d242c3edcfa
+%define mytmp 		%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}
+
+Summary:	Download and Install Skype.
+Name:		%{name}
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+License:	Proprietary
+Group:		Networking/Instant messaging
+URL:		http://www.skype.com
+Buildarch:	noarch
+Requires:	wget
+Requires:       liblcms1
+Requires:       libmng1
+Requires:       libqtcore4
+Requires:       libqtdbus4
+Requires:       libqtnetwork4
+Requires:       libqtgui4
+Requires:       libqtsvg4
+Requires:       libqtxml4
+Requires:       libxscrnsaver1
+Requires:       libxv1
+Requires:	libv4l-wrappers
+
+# The following are lists of filenames (124 in total) placed 
+# in versioned text files to save clutter in the spec file.
+Source0:	avatars-%{version}.txt
+Source1:	sounds-%{version}.txt
+Source2:	lang-%{version}.txt
+
+%description
+
+This is an installer for Skype-%{version}.
+
+This package does not contain any files as the Skype license does not allow distribution.
+By installing this package you will download and install Skype from skype.com.
+You must accept the Skype EULA before using it.
+Please be patient, this is a 23MB download and may take some time.
+Uninstalling this package will uninstall Skype from your system.
+
+%pre
+
+mkdir %{mytmp}
+[[ -d %{mytmp} ]] || exit 1
+cd %{mytmp}
+wget -nc "http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2"
+
+md5chk=$(md5sum skype-%{version}.tar.bz2 | cut -d' ' -f1)
+if [[ %{md5} != $md5chk ]]; then
+rm skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+cd ..
+rm -r %{mytmp}
+echo "Error - download checksum failed"
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%install
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_bindir}
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications
+touch %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/{skype.desktop,skype,skype.conf,LICENSE,README}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{langdir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{langdir}/skype_"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE2}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}/icons
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_iconsdir}
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+for i in 16 32 48; do
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/icons/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+done
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{avatardir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{avatardir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE0}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{sounddir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{sounddir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE1}
+
+echo "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so %{instdir}/skype"\
+ > %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype && chmod +x %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype
+
+%post
+
+tmpextdir=$(mktemp -d)
+if ! [[ -d $tmpextdir ]]; then
+echo "Failed to create temporary directory"
+rm -r %{mytmp} 
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%define tmpdir ${tmpextdir}/skype-%{version}
+
+cd ${tmpextdir}
+tar jxf %{mytmp}/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+
+if ! [[ -d %{tmpdir} ]]; then
+echo "Extracted file folder missing"
+cd ..
+rm -rf ${tmpextdir}
+rm -r %{mytmp}
+exit 1
+fi
+
+
+mkdir -p %{instdir}
+
+cp -a %{tmpdir}/icons/* %{_iconsdir}
+cp -a %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_48x48.png %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+cp -a %{tmpdir}/skype.desktop %{_datadir}/applications/
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype.desktop %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype.conf %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/LICENSE %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/README %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/avatars %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/lang %{langdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/sounds %{sounddir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/icons %{icondir}
+rm -r %{tmpdir}
+cd ..
+rm -r ${tmpextdir}
+rm -r %{mytmp}         
+
+%clean
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+
+%files
+
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_bindir}/skype
+
+# If any extra files are added in install then 
+# corresponding ghost files need to be added here
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_*.png
+%ghost %{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+%ghost %{instdir}
+
+%changelog
+
+* Sun Jun 12 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-7.mga1
+- Added tests for failed directory creation, exiting with cleanup.
+- Added note in %post.
+- Removed resource option on launch command line as we use default.
+
+* Sat Jun 11 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-6.mga1
+- Added md5sum check on download and cleanup on fail.
+- Downloads to /var/lib/get-skype - removed after install.
+- Creates unique /tmp/tmp.xxxx dir for extraction of tar.
+- Added versioning to .txt files.
+- Added removal of all tmp directories after install.
+- Corrected URL: 
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-5.mga1
+- Bumped release to test update - no changes
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-4.mga1
+- Moved installation to /usr/share instead of /opt
+- Changed group and license
+- Changed temporary dir
+- Changed to wget for d/l
+
+* Mon Jun 6 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-2.mga1
+- Moved download to %pre to stop install if d/l fails
+
+* Sun Jun 5 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-1.mga1
+- Changed get-skype version to follow Skype version.
+- Changed URL to directly download only correct version.
+- A copy of the downloaded file is retained in /tmp/skype-%{version} to
+- speed re-installation (unless you clean /tmp)
+
+* Sat Jun 4 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 0.2.mga1
+- Now all files are registered in rpm database.
+- lang, avatar and sound filenames supplied in source files.
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110612/addf59a4/attachment.ksh b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110612/addf59a4/attachment.ksh
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--- /dev/null
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@@ -0,0 +1,195 @@
+%define name		get-skype
+%define version		2.2.0.35
+%define release 	%mkrel 7
+%define instdir 	%{_datadir}/skype
+%define langdir 	%{instdir}/lang
+%define avatardir 	%{instdir}/avatars
+%define sounddir 	%{instdir}/sounds
+%define icondir 	%{instdir}/icons
+%define md5 		6e28002c0086fae5206e2d242c3edcfa
+%define mytmp 		%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}
+
+Summary:	Download and Install Skype.
+Name:		%{name}
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+License:	Proprietary
+Group:		Networking/Instant messaging
+URL:		http://www.skype.com
+Buildarch:	noarch
+Requires:	wget
+Requires:       liblcms1
+Requires:       libmng1
+Requires:       libqtcore4
+Requires:       libqtdbus4
+Requires:       libqtnetwork4
+Requires:       libqtgui4
+Requires:       libqtsvg4
+Requires:       libqtxml4
+Requires:       libxscrnsaver1
+Requires:       libxv1
+Requires:	libv4l-wrappers
+
+# The following are lists of filenames (124 in total) placed 
+# in versioned text files to save clutter in the spec file.
+Source0:	avatars-%{version}.txt
+Source1:	sounds-%{version}.txt
+Source2:	lang-%{version}.txt
+
+%description
+
+This is an installer for Skype-%{version}.
+
+This package does not contain any files as the Skype license does not allow distribution.
+By installing this package you will download and install Skype from skype.com.
+You must accept the Skype EULA before using it.
+Please be patient, this is a 23MB download and may take some time.
+Uninstalling this package will uninstall Skype from your system.
+
+%pre
+
+mkdir %{mytmp}
+[[ -d %{mytmp} ]] || exit 1
+cd %{mytmp}
+wget -nc "http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2"
+
+md5chk=$(md5sum skype-%{version}.tar.bz2 | cut -d' ' -f1)
+if [[ %{md5} != $md5chk ]]; then
+rm skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+cd ..
+rm -r %{mytmp}
+echo "Error - download checksum failed"
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%install
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_bindir}
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications
+touch %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/{skype.desktop,skype,skype.conf,LICENSE,README}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{langdir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{langdir}/skype_"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE2}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}/icons
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_iconsdir}
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+for i in 16 32 48; do
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/icons/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+done
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{avatardir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{avatardir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE0}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{sounddir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{sounddir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE1}
+
+echo "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so %{instdir}/skype"\
+ > %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype && chmod +x %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype
+
+%post
+
+tmpextdir=$(mktemp -d)
+if ! [[ -d $tmpextdir ]]; then
+echo "Failed to create temporary directory"
+rm -r %{mytmp} 
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%define tmpdir ${tmpextdir}/skype-%{version}
+
+cd ${tmpextdir}
+tar jxf %{mytmp}/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+
+if ! [[ -d %{tmpdir} ]]; then
+echo "Extracted file folder missing"
+cd ..
+rm -rf ${tmpextdir}
+rm -r %{mytmp}
+exit 1
+fi
+
+
+mkdir -p %{instdir}
+
+cp -a %{tmpdir}/icons/* %{_iconsdir}
+cp -a %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_48x48.png %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+cp -a %{tmpdir}/skype.desktop %{_datadir}/applications/
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype.desktop %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/skype.conf %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/LICENSE %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/README %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/avatars %{instdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/lang %{langdir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/sounds %{sounddir}
+mv %{tmpdir}/icons %{icondir}
+rm -r %{tmpdir}
+cd ..
+rm -r ${tmpextdir}
+rm -r %{mytmp}         
+
+%clean
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+
+%files
+
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_bindir}/skype
+
+# If any extra files are added in install then 
+# corresponding ghost files need to be added here
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_*.png
+%ghost %{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+%ghost %{instdir}
+
+%changelog
+
+* Sun Jun 12 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-7.mga1
+- Added tests for failed directory creation, exiting with cleanup.
+- Added note in %post.
+- Removed resource option on launch command line as we use default.
+
+* Sat Jun 11 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-6.mga1
+- Added md5sum check on download and cleanup on fail.
+- Downloads to /var/lib/get-skype - removed after install.
+- Creates unique /tmp/tmp.xxxx dir for extraction of tar.
+- Added versioning to .txt files.
+- Added removal of all tmp directories after install.
+- Corrected URL: 
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-5.mga1
+- Bumped release to test update - no changes
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-4.mga1
+- Moved installation to /usr/share instead of /opt
+- Changed group and license
+- Changed temporary dir
+- Changed to wget for d/l
+
+* Mon Jun 6 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-2.mga1
+- Moved download to %pre to stop install if d/l fails
+
+* Sun Jun 5 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-1.mga1
+- Changed get-skype version to follow Skype version.
+- Changed URL to directly download only correct version.
+- A copy of the downloaded file is retained in /tmp/skype-%{version} to
+- speed re-installation (unless you clean /tmp)
+
+* Sat Jun 4 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 0.2.mga1
+- Now all files are registered in rpm database.
+- lang, avatar and sound filenames supplied in source files.
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/12 Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+In data domenica 12 giugno 2011 01:37:53, Barry Jackson ha scritto:<br>
+&gt; &gt; - Dot in Summary.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ?? I don&#39;t see one.<br>
+Summary:        Download and Install Skype. &lt;------<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">        Angelo<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>finally back on dl-stuff ? :) </div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/12 Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+In data domenica 12 giugno 2011 01:37:53, Barry Jackson ha scritto:<br>
+&gt; &gt; - Dot in Summary.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ?? I don&#39;t see one.<br>
+Summary:        Download and Install Skype. &lt;------<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">        Angelo<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>finally back on dl-stuff ? :) </div></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110613/1149e3a9/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110613/1149e3a9/attachment-0001.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt; schrieb am 13.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 13/06/11 09:17, Angelo Naselli wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; IIRC rpmlint should tell you as a warning.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks Angelo,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I never used rpmlint before, so I installed it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It did not warn about the dot, but it did pick up a few spaces/tabs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; etc. There is a warning about Group: Networking/Instant messaging</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; being non-standard, however this is used by the pidgin package.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Have you also installed rpmlint-mageia-policy?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Otherwise rpmlint will give you quite some warnings about Mageia specific things.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt; schrieb am 13.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 13/06/11 09:17, Angelo Naselli wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; IIRC rpmlint should tell you as a warning.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks Angelo,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I never used rpmlint before, so I installed it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It did not warn about the dot, but it did pick up a few spaces/tabs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; etc. There is a warning about Group: Networking/Instant messaging</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; being non-standard, however this is used by the pidgin package.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Have you also installed rpmlint-mageia-policy?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Otherwise rpmlint will give you quite some warnings about Mageia specific things.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+#!/bin/bash
+#
+# Save this file as skype-txt-gen in your home folder
+# $ chmod +x skype-txt-gen
+# Extract the new skype tarball into your home folder which should create a folder e.g. ~/skype-2.2.0.35
+# Run this script and copy the three output txt files to the SOURCES folder in your rpm build tree.
+#
+#########################################################
+
+if [[ ${#1} = 0 ]]; then
+echo "Usage:   $ ./skype-txt-gen <version>"
+echo "example: $ ./skype-txt-gen 2.2.0.35"
+exit 1
+fi
+version=$1
+if ! [[ -d skype-$version ]]; then
+echo "Directory skype-$version is missing"
+exit 1
+fi
+dirname="skype-sources-$version"
+rm -rf "$dirname"
+mkdir "$dirname"
+cd skype-"$version"
+
+getavatars()
+{
+rm -f ../"$dirname"/avatars-"$version".txt 
+cd avatars
+for item in *
+do
+echo $item >> ../../"$dirname"/avatars-"$version".txt 
+done
+cd ..
+}
+
+getsounds() 
+{
+rm -f ../"$dirname/"sounds-"$version".txt
+cd sounds
+for item in *
+do
+echo $item >> ../../"$dirname"/sounds-"$version".txt
+done
+cd ..
+}
+
+getlang() 
+{
+rm -f ../"$dirname"/lang-"$version".txt
+cd lang
+for item in *
+do
+echo $item >> ../../"$dirname"/lang-"$version".txt
+done
+cd ..
+sed -i 's/skype_//g' ../"$dirname"/lang-"$version".txt
+}
+
+getavatars
+getsounds
+getlang
+
+echo "The text files have been created in ~/$dirname"
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+%define name			get-skype
+%define version			2.2.0.35
+%define release			%mkrel 9
+%define instdir			%{_datadir}/skype
+%define langdir			%{instdir}/lang
+%define avatardir		%{instdir}/avatars
+%define sounddir		%{instdir}/sounds
+%define icondir			%{instdir}/icons
+%define md5			6e28002c0086fae5206e2d242c3edcfa
+%define tmp_download_dir	%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}
+
+Summary:	Download and Install Skype
+Name:		%{name}
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+License:	Proprietary
+Group:		Networking/Instant messaging
+URL:		http://www.skype.com
+Buildarch:	noarch
+Requires:	wget
+Requires:	liblcms1
+Requires:	libmng1
+Requires:	libqtcore4
+Requires:	libqtdbus4
+Requires:	libqtnetwork4
+Requires:	libqtgui4
+Requires:	libqtsvg4
+Requires:	libqtxml4
+Requires:	libxscrnsaver1
+Requires:	libxv1
+Requires:	libv4l-wrappers
+
+# The following are lists of filenames (124 in total) placed 
+# in versioned text files to save clutter in the spec file.
+Source0:	avatars-%{version}.txt
+Source1:	sounds-%{version}.txt
+Source2:	lang-%{version}.txt
+
+%description
+This is an installer for Skype-%{version}.
+
+This package does not contain any files as the Skype license does not allow distribution.
+By installing this package you will download and install Skype from skype.com.
+You must accept the Skype EULA before using it.
+Please be patient, this is a 23MB download and may take some time.
+Uninstalling this package will uninstall Skype from your system.
+
+%pre
+
+mkdir %{tmp_download_dir}
+[[ -d %{tmp_download_dir} ]] || exit 1
+cd %{tmp_download_dir} || exit 1
+wget -nc "http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2"
+
+md5chk=$(md5sum skype-%{version}.tar.bz2 | cut -d' ' -f1)
+if [[ %{md5} != $md5chk ]]; then
+rm skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+cd ..
+rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}
+echo "Error - download checksum failed"
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%install
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_bindir}
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications
+touch %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/{skype.desktop,skype,skype.conf,LICENSE,README}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{langdir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{langdir}/skype_"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE2}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}/icons
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_iconsdir}
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+for i in 16 32 48; do
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/icons/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+done
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{avatardir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{avatardir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE0}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{sounddir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{sounddir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE1}
+
+echo "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so %{instdir}/skype"\
+ > %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype && chmod +x %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype
+
+%post
+
+tmp_extract_dir=$(mktemp -d)
+if ! [[ -d $tmp_extract_dir ]]; then
+echo "Failed to create temporary directory"
+rm -r %{tmp_download_dir} 
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%define tmp_skype_dir ${tmp_extract_dir}/skype-%{version}
+
+cd ${tmp_extract_dir}
+tar jxf %{tmp_download_dir}/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+
+if ! [[ -d %{tmp_skype_dir} ]]; then
+echo "Extracted file folder missing"
+cd ..
+rm -rf ${tmp_extract_dir}
+rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}
+exit 1
+fi
+
+# If any extra files are installed here then 
+# corresponding ghost files need to be added in files
+
+mkdir -p %{instdir}
+
+cp -a %{tmp_skype_dir}/icons/* %{_iconsdir}
+cp -a %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_48x48.png %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+cp -a %{tmp_skype_dir}/skype.desktop %{_datadir}/applications/
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/skype %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/skype.desktop %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/skype.conf %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/LICENSE %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/README %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/avatars %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/lang %{langdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/sounds %{sounddir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/icons %{icondir}
+rm -r %{tmp_skype_dir}
+cd ..
+rm -r ${tmp_extract_dir}
+rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}
+
+%clean
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+
+%files
+
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_bindir}/skype
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_*.png
+%ghost %{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+%ghost %{instdir}
+
+%changelog
+
+* Mon Jun 13 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-8.mga1
+- Added || exit 1 in pre
+- Changed tmp file var names to be more descriptive.
+ 
+
+* Sun Jun 12 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-8.mga1
+- Removed full stop from summary.
+
+* Sun Jun 12 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-7.mga1
+- Added tests for failed directory creation, exiting with cleanup.
+- Added note in post.
+- Removed resource option on launch command line as we use default.
+
+* Sat Jun 11 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-6.mga1
+- Added md5sum check on download and cleanup on fail.
+- Downloads to /var/lib/get-skype - removed after install.
+- Creates unique /tmp/tmp.xxxx dir for extraction of tar.
+- Added versioning to .txt files.
+- Added removal of all tmp directories after install.
+- Corrected URL: 
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-5.mga1
+- Bumped release to test update - no changes
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-4.mga1
+- Moved installation to /usr/share instead of /opt
+- Changed group and license
+- Changed temporary dir
+- Changed to wget for d/l
+
+* Mon Jun 6 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-2.mga1
+- Moved download to pre to stop install if d/l fails
+
+* Sun Jun 5 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-1.mga1
+- Changed get-skype version to follow Skype version.
+- Changed URL to directly download only correct version.
+- A copy of the downloaded file is retained in /tmp/skype-<version> to
+- speed re-installation (unless you clean /tmp)
+
+* Sat Jun 4 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 0.2.mga1
+- Now all files are registered in rpm database.
+- lang, avatar and sound filenames supplied in source files.
+
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index 000000000..6a315f788
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+#!/bin/bash
+#
+# Save this file as skype-txt-gen in your home folder
+# $ chmod +x skype-txt-gen
+# Extract the new skype tarball into your home folder which should create a folder e.g. ~/skype-2.2.0.35
+# Run this script and copy the three output txt files to the SOURCES folder in your rpm build tree.
+#
+#########################################################
+
+if [[ ${#1} = 0 ]]; then
+echo "Usage:   $ ./skype-txt-gen <version>"
+echo "example: $ ./skype-txt-gen 2.2.0.35"
+exit 1
+fi
+version=$1
+if ! [[ -d skype-$version ]]; then
+echo "Directory skype-$version is missing"
+exit 1
+fi
+dirname="skype-sources-$version"
+rm -rf "$dirname"
+mkdir "$dirname"
+cd skype-"$version"
+
+getavatars()
+{
+rm -f ../"$dirname"/avatars-"$version".txt 
+cd avatars
+for item in *
+do
+echo $item >> ../../"$dirname"/avatars-"$version".txt 
+done
+cd ..
+}
+
+getsounds() 
+{
+rm -f ../"$dirname/"sounds-"$version".txt
+cd sounds
+for item in *
+do
+echo $item >> ../../"$dirname"/sounds-"$version".txt
+done
+cd ..
+}
+
+getlang() 
+{
+rm -f ../"$dirname"/lang-"$version".txt
+cd lang
+for item in *
+do
+echo $item >> ../../"$dirname"/lang-"$version".txt
+done
+cd ..
+sed -i 's/skype_//g' ../"$dirname"/lang-"$version".txt
+}
+
+getavatars
+getsounds
+getlang
+
+echo "The text files have been created in ~/$dirname"
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+%define name			get-skype
+%define version			2.2.0.35
+%define release			%mkrel 9
+%define instdir			%{_datadir}/skype
+%define langdir			%{instdir}/lang
+%define avatardir		%{instdir}/avatars
+%define sounddir		%{instdir}/sounds
+%define icondir			%{instdir}/icons
+%define md5			6e28002c0086fae5206e2d242c3edcfa
+%define tmp_download_dir	%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}
+
+Summary:	Download and Install Skype
+Name:		%{name}
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+License:	Proprietary
+Group:		Networking/Instant messaging
+URL:		http://www.skype.com
+Buildarch:	noarch
+Requires:	wget
+Requires:	liblcms1
+Requires:	libmng1
+Requires:	libqtcore4
+Requires:	libqtdbus4
+Requires:	libqtnetwork4
+Requires:	libqtgui4
+Requires:	libqtsvg4
+Requires:	libqtxml4
+Requires:	libxscrnsaver1
+Requires:	libxv1
+Requires:	libv4l-wrappers
+
+# The following are lists of filenames (124 in total) placed 
+# in versioned text files to save clutter in the spec file.
+Source0:	avatars-%{version}.txt
+Source1:	sounds-%{version}.txt
+Source2:	lang-%{version}.txt
+
+%description
+This is an installer for Skype-%{version}.
+
+This package does not contain any files as the Skype license does not allow distribution.
+By installing this package you will download and install Skype from skype.com.
+You must accept the Skype EULA before using it.
+Please be patient, this is a 23MB download and may take some time.
+Uninstalling this package will uninstall Skype from your system.
+
+%pre
+
+mkdir %{tmp_download_dir}
+[[ -d %{tmp_download_dir} ]] || exit 1
+cd %{tmp_download_dir} || exit 1
+wget -nc "http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2"
+
+md5chk=$(md5sum skype-%{version}.tar.bz2 | cut -d' ' -f1)
+if [[ %{md5} != $md5chk ]]; then
+rm skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+cd ..
+rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}
+echo "Error - download checksum failed"
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%install
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_bindir}
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications
+touch %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/{skype.desktop,skype,skype.conf,LICENSE,README}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{langdir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{langdir}/skype_"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE2}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{instdir}/icons
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{_iconsdir}
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+for i in 16 32 48; do
+touch %buildroot%{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+touch %buildroot%{instdir}/icons/SkypeBlue_${i}x${i}.png
+done
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{avatardir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{avatardir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE0}
+
+install -d -m 0755 %buildroot%{sounddir}
+while read line; do
+touch %buildroot%{sounddir}/"$line"
+done < %{SOURCE1}
+
+echo "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so %{instdir}/skype"\
+ > %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype && chmod +x %buildroot%{_bindir}/skype
+
+%post
+
+tmp_extract_dir=$(mktemp -d)
+if ! [[ -d $tmp_extract_dir ]]; then
+echo "Failed to create temporary directory"
+rm -r %{tmp_download_dir} 
+exit 1
+fi
+
+%define tmp_skype_dir ${tmp_extract_dir}/skype-%{version}
+
+cd ${tmp_extract_dir}
+tar jxf %{tmp_download_dir}/skype-%{version}.tar.bz2
+
+if ! [[ -d %{tmp_skype_dir} ]]; then
+echo "Extracted file folder missing"
+cd ..
+rm -rf ${tmp_extract_dir}
+rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}
+exit 1
+fi
+
+# If any extra files are installed here then 
+# corresponding ghost files need to be added in files
+
+mkdir -p %{instdir}
+
+cp -a %{tmp_skype_dir}/icons/* %{_iconsdir}
+cp -a %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_48x48.png %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+cp -a %{tmp_skype_dir}/skype.desktop %{_datadir}/applications/
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/skype %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/skype.desktop %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/skype.conf %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/LICENSE %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/README %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/avatars %{instdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/lang %{langdir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/sounds %{sounddir}
+mv %{tmp_skype_dir}/icons %{icondir}
+rm -r %{tmp_skype_dir}
+cd ..
+rm -r ${tmp_extract_dir}
+rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}
+
+%clean
+
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+
+%files
+
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_bindir}/skype
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/skype.png
+%ghost %{_iconsdir}/SkypeBlue_*.png
+%ghost %{_datadir}/applications/skype.desktop
+%ghost %{instdir}
+
+%changelog
+
+* Mon Jun 13 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-8.mga1
+- Added || exit 1 in pre
+- Changed tmp file var names to be more descriptive.
+ 
+
+* Sun Jun 12 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-8.mga1
+- Removed full stop from summary.
+
+* Sun Jun 12 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-7.mga1
+- Added tests for failed directory creation, exiting with cleanup.
+- Added note in post.
+- Removed resource option on launch command line as we use default.
+
+* Sat Jun 11 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-6.mga1
+- Added md5sum check on download and cleanup on fail.
+- Downloads to /var/lib/get-skype - removed after install.
+- Creates unique /tmp/tmp.xxxx dir for extraction of tar.
+- Added versioning to .txt files.
+- Added removal of all tmp directories after install.
+- Corrected URL: 
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-5.mga1
+- Bumped release to test update - no changes
+
+* Thu Jun 9 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-4.mga1
+- Moved installation to /usr/share instead of /opt
+- Changed group and license
+- Changed temporary dir
+- Changed to wget for d/l
+
+* Mon Jun 6 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-2.mga1
+- Moved download to pre to stop install if d/l fails
+
+* Sun Jun 5 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 2.2.0.35-1.mga1
+- Changed get-skype version to follow Skype version.
+- Changed URL to directly download only correct version.
+- A copy of the downloaded file is retained in /tmp/skype-<version> to
+- speed re-installation (unless you clean /tmp)
+
+* Sat Jun 4 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 0.2.mga1
+- Now all files are registered in rpm database.
+- lang, avatar and sound filenames supplied in source files.
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/13 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Wolfgang Bornath skrev 13.6.2011 15:20:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+About the cycles:<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+The 9-months seem to be a compromise - but I start to ask why we need<br>
+such a fixed statement (which it would be, once published). We need a<br>
+schedule for each cycle, that&#39;s true. Without a schedule we would<br>
+never finish anything. But how about taking 9 months only as a &quot;nice<br>
+to meet&quot; target, leaving us the option to set a roadmap after setting<br>
+the specs of the next release - we could then go for a 8 or 10 months<br>
+roadmap, depending on the specs.<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+This is somewhat like what I had in my mind to write too, but you beat me to it :)<br>
+<br>
+It could allow us to adapt a little for upstream releases.<br>
+But should we then decide that the limit is +/- 1 month ?<br>
+<br>
+Obviously there will still be people complaining that &quot;you waited 10 months... if you had extended with ~2 more weeks... &quot;this&quot; or &quot;that&quot;<br>
+package would have been available too... and so on....<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+And something not to forget (this is more related to the specs):<br>
+<br>
+If an estimated upstream release of kde/gnome/... seem to fit our<br>
+schedule it _must_ be in Cauldron before version freeze so we<br>
+actually get some test/qa on it and not try to force it in by<br>
+&quot;hey it&#39;s released ~x days before final mageia release so it<br>
+ must be added&quot; attitude that tends to pop up at every freeze.<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>Let the 9 months as maximum, as a general target.<div><br></div><div>Make the specs and then the roadmap with a fixed release date and a fixed enough time for freeze and testing.</div><div><br></div>
+<div>If an upstream release brings conflits, that&#39;s live.</div><div>Main focus should be a stable release for simple users not a pot of the latest apps</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/13 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Wolfgang Bornath skrev 13.6.2011 15:20:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+About the cycles:<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+The 9-months seem to be a compromise - but I start to ask why we need<br>
+such a fixed statement (which it would be, once published). We need a<br>
+schedule for each cycle, that&#39;s true. Without a schedule we would<br>
+never finish anything. But how about taking 9 months only as a &quot;nice<br>
+to meet&quot; target, leaving us the option to set a roadmap after setting<br>
+the specs of the next release - we could then go for a 8 or 10 months<br>
+roadmap, depending on the specs.<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+This is somewhat like what I had in my mind to write too, but you beat me to it :)<br>
+<br>
+It could allow us to adapt a little for upstream releases.<br>
+But should we then decide that the limit is +/- 1 month ?<br>
+<br>
+Obviously there will still be people complaining that &quot;you waited 10 months... if you had extended with ~2 more weeks... &quot;this&quot; or &quot;that&quot;<br>
+package would have been available too... and so on....<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+And something not to forget (this is more related to the specs):<br>
+<br>
+If an estimated upstream release of kde/gnome/... seem to fit our<br>
+schedule it _must_ be in Cauldron before version freeze so we<br>
+actually get some test/qa on it and not try to force it in by<br>
+&quot;hey it&#39;s released ~x days before final mageia release so it<br>
+ must be added&quot; attitude that tends to pop up at every freeze.<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>Let the 9 months as maximum, as a general target.<div><br></div><div>Make the specs and then the roadmap with a fixed release date and a fixed enough time for freeze and testing.</div><div><br></div>
+<div>If an upstream release brings conflits, that&#39;s live.</div><div>Main focus should be a stable release for simple users not a pot of the latest apps</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br></div>
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+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    From <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=359">pmithrandir</a></strong> 
+    on the forum<br>
+    <br>
+    On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix" of others idea.<br>
+    <br>
+    I would say : <br>
+    - A release every year.<br>
+    - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox,
+    chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+    - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed or
+    if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+    <br>
+    Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be maintain
+    for 4 years.<br>
+    <br>
+    So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+    - The LTS<br>
+    - The common release<br>
+    - The cauldron.<br>
+    <br>
+    With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one release
+    for public at a time, and just one LTS.<br>
+    If you update main software(we could define a list of no more than
+    20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or developper
+    who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy.<br>
+    <br>
+    BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia
+    should have a special section in this forum for these discussion, or
+    maybe another forum.<br>
+    It's totally impossible for people who want to participate sometimes
+    to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to read some topic
+    on a forum than dozens emails. And your final user should be able to
+    know what happen easily. It would be a big + in front of others
+    distributions.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    From <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=359">pmithrandir</a></strong> 
+    on the forum<br>
+    <br>
+    On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix" of others idea.<br>
+    <br>
+    I would say : <br>
+    - A release every year.<br>
+    - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox,
+    chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+    - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed or
+    if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+    <br>
+    Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be maintain
+    for 4 years.<br>
+    <br>
+    So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+    - The LTS<br>
+    - The common release<br>
+    - The cauldron.<br>
+    <br>
+    With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one release
+    for public at a time, and just one LTS.<br>
+    If you update main software(we could define a list of no more than
+    20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or developper
+    who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy.<br>
+    <br>
+    BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia
+    should have a special section in this forum for these discussion, or
+    maybe another forum.<br>
+    It's totally impossible for people who want to participate sometimes
+    to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to read some topic
+    on a forum than dozens emails. And your final user should be able to
+    know what happen easily. It would be a big + in front of others
+    distributions.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/13 Lee Forest <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lee8oi@gmail.com">lee8oi@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<p>I like the idea of releasing when ready. Its done when the team thinks its ready and not because its being demanded by end users. In Linux Mint this does alot of good because of having to clean up after ubuntu so much. The releases are much more stable and polished. The way clement lefabre likes it. And everyone who uses it is usually satisfied with the end product. <br>
+</p></blockquote><div>Well this is theway it seems we are going to, some people proposing 9 months release depending on release dates of main softwares. Anyway whatever the choice, it&#39;s obvious that we will not release final one if  this is not stable enough.</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p>
+
+As for being in the news more, we dont have to put out a release just to be able blog about whats going on in the mageia community and remind everyone why mageia is special. But this must be the case because theres rarely any new news posted in mageia blog unless a release is coming out. Thats getting about as lame as these messages in this mailing list telling people they sent their message to the mailing list wrong.<br>
+
+
+What is this distro really about? One upping mandriva and following the same mechanical routines they did to piss you guys off, or building a real community distribution of gnu/linux that cares more about keeping in touch with the community than they do about the way someone new sent a mailing list message. Theres more to a linux community then mailing lists.<br>
+
+
+At first I was excited about using mageia, and being a part of the community. Now im dissappointed because I see how you treat people that are not on the team. Basically like their opinions<br></p></blockquote><div>Not at all. everyone can subscribe mailing- lists. The point is Mageia is a young project and we cannot afford for now at least to spread efforts on forums and mailing-lists and blogs... People still sleep during the night. It may not be perfect but it&#39;s a start. Our points is just to try to get all opinions in a same place, that&#39;s all.</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p>
+(that you ask for) dont matter, and you are only concerned with the proper submission of mailing lists messages. Get someone on the blogs and start talking to the rest of the community the way they deserve. I agree with the gentleman leaving the mailing list. This isn&#39;t worth sticking around for. Time to remember why you started mageia in the first place.</p>
+</blockquote><div>Of course we are opened to any of your proposals and ideas and contributions to improve all this :)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 13, 2011 12:51 PM, &quot;Ron&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:corbintechboy@yahoo.com" target="_blank">corbintechboy@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; I will say my part and I&#39;m gone...<br>
+
+&gt; I don&#39;t understand why everyone is acting like a rolling release is going to put so much strain on the project. What is so hard about developing in one place and allowing the updates to trickle down is so hard?<br>
+
+&gt; It almost seems to me that you want to ask the opinion of people, but don&#39;t want to hear.<br>&gt; And what is this posting here? I don&#39;t even know how to use this thing and yet I had to signup to get my voice heard because this is the way you want to do things? I don&#39;t understand where the whole community fits into this here right now, I think I actually say a lot when I say that many people want a rolling release.... It just seems the developers will have the way here... Why ask in the first place? Really?<br>
+
+&gt; I am leaving the list and sorry about the HTML in my emails, must be a yahoo thing because I did not use HTML... Again I don&#39;t know how to use this thing and should not have been forced to.<br>&gt; I would also say that I, for 1 will not be staying if you are going to do a release cycle only... I have loads of options if I just want snapshots of what&#39;s going on in the Linux world.... Arch gives me so much more and I had hopes of switching to this with a release model that made sense... But it seems we won&#39;t and we will just become yet another XXX release cycle distribution with no clear anything that sets us apart from X.<br>
+
+&gt; On you, I&#39;m gone and thanks for hearing me and sorry if my postings were done wrong....<br></div>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/13 Lee Forest <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lee8oi@gmail.com">lee8oi@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<p>I like the idea of releasing when ready. Its done when the team thinks its ready and not because its being demanded by end users. In Linux Mint this does alot of good because of having to clean up after ubuntu so much. The releases are much more stable and polished. The way clement lefabre likes it. And everyone who uses it is usually satisfied with the end product. <br>
+</p></blockquote><div>Well this is theway it seems we are going to, some people proposing 9 months release depending on release dates of main softwares. Anyway whatever the choice, it&#39;s obvious that we will not release final one if  this is not stable enough.</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p>
+
+As for being in the news more, we dont have to put out a release just to be able blog about whats going on in the mageia community and remind everyone why mageia is special. But this must be the case because theres rarely any new news posted in mageia blog unless a release is coming out. Thats getting about as lame as these messages in this mailing list telling people they sent their message to the mailing list wrong.<br>
+
+
+What is this distro really about? One upping mandriva and following the same mechanical routines they did to piss you guys off, or building a real community distribution of gnu/linux that cares more about keeping in touch with the community than they do about the way someone new sent a mailing list message. Theres more to a linux community then mailing lists.<br>
+
+
+At first I was excited about using mageia, and being a part of the community. Now im dissappointed because I see how you treat people that are not on the team. Basically like their opinions<br></p></blockquote><div>Not at all. everyone can subscribe mailing- lists. The point is Mageia is a young project and we cannot afford for now at least to spread efforts on forums and mailing-lists and blogs... People still sleep during the night. It may not be perfect but it&#39;s a start. Our points is just to try to get all opinions in a same place, that&#39;s all.</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p>
+(that you ask for) dont matter, and you are only concerned with the proper submission of mailing lists messages. Get someone on the blogs and start talking to the rest of the community the way they deserve. I agree with the gentleman leaving the mailing list. This isn&#39;t worth sticking around for. Time to remember why you started mageia in the first place.</p>
+</blockquote><div>Of course we are opened to any of your proposals and ideas and contributions to improve all this :)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 13, 2011 12:51 PM, &quot;Ron&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:corbintechboy@yahoo.com" target="_blank">corbintechboy@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; I will say my part and I&#39;m gone...<br>
+
+&gt; I don&#39;t understand why everyone is acting like a rolling release is going to put so much strain on the project. What is so hard about developing in one place and allowing the updates to trickle down is so hard?<br>
+
+&gt; It almost seems to me that you want to ask the opinion of people, but don&#39;t want to hear.<br>&gt; And what is this posting here? I don&#39;t even know how to use this thing and yet I had to signup to get my voice heard because this is the way you want to do things? I don&#39;t understand where the whole community fits into this here right now, I think I actually say a lot when I say that many people want a rolling release.... It just seems the developers will have the way here... Why ask in the first place? Really?<br>
+
+&gt; I am leaving the list and sorry about the HTML in my emails, must be a yahoo thing because I did not use HTML... Again I don&#39;t know how to use this thing and should not have been forced to.<br>&gt; I would also say that I, for 1 will not be staying if you are going to do a release cycle only... I have loads of options if I just want snapshots of what&#39;s going on in the Linux world.... Arch gives me so much more and I had hopes of switching to this with a release model that made sense... But it seems we won&#39;t and we will just become yet another XXX release cycle distribution with no clear anything that sets us apart from X.<br>
+
+&gt; On you, I&#39;m gone and thanks for hearing me and sorry if my postings were done wrong....<br></div>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">From a long time mandriva (and now mageia) user POV, for myself I was quite<br>
+fine with 6 month release cycle, but at work I&#39;d rather not update too<br>
+frequently and same goes for the rest of the family who generally don&#39;t care<br>
+much for newer versions. And I know that for some people, a big upgrade<br>
+every 6 month is a lot of work (and skipping a release is more risky).<br></blockquote><div>I agree and think this the the sight of most of the &quot;normal&quot; users.</div><div><br></div><div>Proposal #2 is the right time to discuss, to do greater changes and to test. </div>
+<div>Especially testing-time should be a focus to get a standing as very stable distri.</div><div><br></div><div>Other hand, we should not hang too close to the nine month.</div><div>The release date could be a good &quot;human readable&quot; date:</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Mageia 2 = Spring time (2012-03-20)</div><div>Mageia 3 = Nicolas (2012-12-06)</div><div>Mageia 4 = Revolution (2013-07-14) or Birthday (2013-09-18)</div><div><br></div><div>or someting like this</div><div>
+<br></div><div>Proposal #3 is too long, for the patience of the users and developers</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">From a long time mandriva (and now mageia) user POV, for myself I was quite<br>
+fine with 6 month release cycle, but at work I&#39;d rather not update too<br>
+frequently and same goes for the rest of the family who generally don&#39;t care<br>
+much for newer versions. And I know that for some people, a big upgrade<br>
+every 6 month is a lot of work (and skipping a release is more risky).<br></blockquote><div>I agree and think this the the sight of most of the &quot;normal&quot; users.</div><div><br></div><div>Proposal #2 is the right time to discuss, to do greater changes and to test. </div>
+<div>Especially testing-time should be a focus to get a standing as very stable distri.</div><div><br></div><div>Other hand, we should not hang too close to the nine month.</div><div>The release date could be a good &quot;human readable&quot; date:</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Mageia 2 = Spring time (2012-03-20)</div><div>Mageia 3 = Nicolas (2012-12-06)</div><div>Mageia 4 = Revolution (2013-07-14) or Birthday (2013-09-18)</div><div><br></div><div>or someting like this</div><div>
+<br></div><div>Proposal #3 is too long, for the patience of the users and developers</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div></div><br>
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+<p>I like the idea of releasing when ready. Its done when the team thinks its ready and not because its being demanded by end users. In Linux Mint this does alot of good because of having to clean up after ubuntu so much. The releases are much more stable and polished. The way clement lefabre likes it. And everyone who uses it is usually satisfied with the end product. <br>
+
+As for being in the news more, we dont have to put out a release just to be able blog about whats going on in the mageia community and remind everyone why mageia is special. But this must be the case because theres rarely any new news posted in mageia blog unless a release is coming out. Thats getting about as lame as these messages in this mailing list telling people they sent their message to the mailing list wrong.<br>
+
+What is this distro really about? One upping mandriva and following the same mechanical routines they did to piss you guys off, or building a real community distribution of gnu/linux that cares more about keeping in touch with the community than they do about the way someone new sent a mailing list message. Theres more to a linux community then mailing lists.<br>
+
+At first I was excited about using mageia, and being a part of the community. Now im dissappointed because I see how you treat people that are not on the team. Basically like their opinions<br>
+(that you ask for) dont matter, and you are only concerned with the proper submission of mailing lists messages. Get someone on the blogs and start talking to the rest of the community the way they deserve. I agree with the gentleman leaving the mailing list. This isn&#39;t worth sticking around for. Time to remember why you started mageia in the first place.</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 13, 2011 12:51 PM, &quot;Ron&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:corbintechboy@yahoo.com">corbintechboy@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; I will say my part and I&#39;m gone...<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t understand why everyone is acting like a rolling release is going to put so much strain on the project. What is so hard about developing in one place and allowing the updates to trickle down is so hard?<br>
+&gt; It almost seems to me that you want to ask the opinion of people, but don&#39;t want to hear.<br>&gt; And what is this posting here? I don&#39;t even know how to use this thing and yet I had to signup to get my voice heard because this is the way you want to do things? I don&#39;t understand where the whole community fits into this here right now, I think I actually say a lot when I say that many people want a rolling release.... It just seems the developers will have the way here... Why ask in the first place? Really?<br>
+&gt; I am leaving the list and sorry about the HTML in my emails, must be a yahoo thing because I did not use HTML... Again I don&#39;t know how to use this thing and should not have been forced to.<br>&gt; I would also say that I, for 1 will not be staying if you are going to do a release cycle only... I have loads of options if I just want snapshots of what&#39;s going on in the Linux world.... Arch gives me so much more and I had hopes of switching to this with a release model that made sense... But it seems we won&#39;t and we will just become yet another XXX release cycle distribution with no clear anything that sets us apart from X.<br>
+&gt; On you, I&#39;m gone and thanks for hearing me and sorry if my postings were done wrong....<br></div>
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+<p>I like the idea of releasing when ready. Its done when the team thinks its ready and not because its being demanded by end users. In Linux Mint this does alot of good because of having to clean up after ubuntu so much. The releases are much more stable and polished. The way clement lefabre likes it. And everyone who uses it is usually satisfied with the end product. <br>
+
+As for being in the news more, we dont have to put out a release just to be able blog about whats going on in the mageia community and remind everyone why mageia is special. But this must be the case because theres rarely any new news posted in mageia blog unless a release is coming out. Thats getting about as lame as these messages in this mailing list telling people they sent their message to the mailing list wrong.<br>
+
+What is this distro really about? One upping mandriva and following the same mechanical routines they did to piss you guys off, or building a real community distribution of gnu/linux that cares more about keeping in touch with the community than they do about the way someone new sent a mailing list message. Theres more to a linux community then mailing lists.<br>
+
+At first I was excited about using mageia, and being a part of the community. Now im dissappointed because I see how you treat people that are not on the team. Basically like their opinions<br>
+(that you ask for) dont matter, and you are only concerned with the proper submission of mailing lists messages. Get someone on the blogs and start talking to the rest of the community the way they deserve. I agree with the gentleman leaving the mailing list. This isn&#39;t worth sticking around for. Time to remember why you started mageia in the first place.</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 13, 2011 12:51 PM, &quot;Ron&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:corbintechboy@yahoo.com">corbintechboy@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; I will say my part and I&#39;m gone...<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t understand why everyone is acting like a rolling release is going to put so much strain on the project. What is so hard about developing in one place and allowing the updates to trickle down is so hard?<br>
+&gt; It almost seems to me that you want to ask the opinion of people, but don&#39;t want to hear.<br>&gt; And what is this posting here? I don&#39;t even know how to use this thing and yet I had to signup to get my voice heard because this is the way you want to do things? I don&#39;t understand where the whole community fits into this here right now, I think I actually say a lot when I say that many people want a rolling release.... It just seems the developers will have the way here... Why ask in the first place? Really?<br>
+&gt; I am leaving the list and sorry about the HTML in my emails, must be a yahoo thing because I did not use HTML... Again I don&#39;t know how to use this thing and should not have been forced to.<br>&gt; I would also say that I, for 1 will not be staying if you are going to do a release cycle only... I have loads of options if I just want snapshots of what&#39;s going on in the Linux world.... Arch gives me so much more and I had hopes of switching to this with a release model that made sense... But it seems we won&#39;t and we will just become yet another XXX release cycle distribution with no clear anything that sets us apart from X.<br>
+&gt; On you, I&#39;m gone and thanks for hearing me and sorry if my postings were done wrong....<br></div>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I will say my part and I'm gone...<div><br></div><div>I don't understand why everyone is acting like a rolling release is going to put so much strain on the project. What is so hard about developing in one place and allowing the updates to trickle down is so hard?</div><div><br></div><div>It almost seems to me that you want to ask the opinion of people, but don't want to hear.</div><div><br></div><div>And what is this posting here? I don't even know how to use this thing and yet I had to signup to get my voice heard because this is the way you want to do things? I don't understand where the whole community fits into this here right now, I think I actually say a lot when I say that many people want a rolling release.... It just seems the developers will have the way here... Why ask in the first place? Really?</div><div><br></div><div>I am leaving the list and
+ sorry about the HTML in my emails, must be a yahoo thing because I did not use HTML... Again I don't know how to use this thing and should not have been forced to.</div><div><br></div><div>I would also say that I, for 1 will not be staying if you are going to do a release cycle only... I have loads of options if I just want snapshots of what's going on in the Linux world.... Arch gives me so much more and I had hopes of switching to this with a release model that made sense... But it seems we won't and we will just become yet another XXX release cycle distribution with no clear anything that sets us apart from X.</div><div><br></div><div>On you, I'm gone and thanks for hearing me and sorry if my postings were done wrong....</div></td></tr></table>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I will say my part and I'm gone...<div><br></div><div>I don't understand why everyone is acting like a rolling release is going to put so much strain on the project. What is so hard about developing in one place and allowing the updates to trickle down is so hard?</div><div><br></div><div>It almost seems to me that you want to ask the opinion of people, but don't want to hear.</div><div><br></div><div>And what is this posting here? I don't even know how to use this thing and yet I had to signup to get my voice heard because this is the way you want to do things? I don't understand where the whole community fits into this here right now, I think I actually say a lot when I say that many people want a rolling release.... It just seems the developers will have the way here... Why ask in the first place? Really?</div><div><br></div><div>I am leaving the list and
+ sorry about the HTML in my emails, must be a yahoo thing because I did not use HTML... Again I don't know how to use this thing and should not have been forced to.</div><div><br></div><div>I would also say that I, for 1 will not be staying if you are going to do a release cycle only... I have loads of options if I just want snapshots of what's going on in the Linux world.... Arch gives me so much more and I had hopes of switching to this with a release model that made sense... But it seems we won't and we will just become yet another XXX release cycle distribution with no clear anything that sets us apart from X.</div><div><br></div><div>On you, I'm gone and thanks for hearing me and sorry if my postings were done wrong....</div></td></tr></table>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">&gt;There is a limited set of options, and as you can see, none of your &gt;idea&nbsp;was not already explored by someone else.</span><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">It has all been done before, in that sense let's just close up shop and call it a day???</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;
+ "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; "><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;If everything move all days, you cannot :<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;- translate software ( as the string will change every day )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;- create documentation ( for the same reason )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;- communicate ( as everything ca be broken at any time )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;- ensure stability ( as each change can bring unstability )<br style="line-height: 1.2em;
+ outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; "><br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;And for user, some do not want to redo training every week for &gt;their<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;users, because libreoffice got updated, because ff 4 just arrived &gt;and<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;75% of extensions do not work, etc.&nbsp;<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;In fact, the whole release model is basically what is used all &gt;over the<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial;
+ ">&gt;place, from lower level like kernel to higher level like kde. So &gt;you can<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;get lots of feedback on it.</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; "><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">You are&nbsp;correct&nbsp;on the release model being used everywhere, that fit's development and really there is no other way to do it as it takes time. But really, up stream does have to take time but package maintainers can pull things in pretty fast and make things work.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height:
+ 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">I don't understand what's being said here? Are we a community of users or are we just teachers teaching a class? Help with changes is what forums and people are for.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">You worried about not being able to keep up with documentation? I suggest you take a look at the Arch wiki, best Linux wiki there is and things&nbsp;change&nbsp;fast... Again, community...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height:
+ 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;So basically, you suggest that since everybody is already doing &gt;it, this&nbsp;is useless. So the logical conclusion is we should drop &gt;the&nbsp;distribution ?</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">No that is not what I'm saying!&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span
+ class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">What I am saying is that you have 100+/- distributions all going by a release model and only a handful making rolling releases. There is only one defacto maker of a rolling release and that is Arch, why does this have to be? (Yes I know there are others but Arch is the leader of the pack)</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;We have the same thing, this is the strength of free software. We<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;basically all work together.</span></font></div><div><font
+ class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">It truly is redundant to do what everyone else is doing just because....</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;like cauldron ? or debian unstable, fedora rawhide, opensuse &gt;factory,</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">mandriva cooker ?</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span"
+ face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Sure, there has to be an unstable branch whether rolling or not...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;like debian testing ( and CUT ) ? suse tumbleweed ? arch linux</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span"
+ face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Nope, gotta call you on this... Debian testing rolls with the&nbsp;purpose&nbsp;of becoming a release... Therefore things can grow outdated rather quickly.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Suse tumblweed IS NOT going to be a true rolling release! It is going to "tumble up" to the next release hence the name.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height:
+ 16px;">This cannot be compared to Arch either as Arch has a set of rules as well and rolls into stable...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;Very stable for a distribution mean "that do not change". That's<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;incompatible with the idea of rolling per definition. And inorder &gt;to&nbsp;have stable software, you have to freeze them and fix bugs. So &gt;to have&nbsp;that on the whole distribution, you need to freeze the &gt;whole&nbsp;distribution for a time, and then ask for test, fix bugs &gt;and then&nbsp;release. Which is
+ exactly what we currently do since &gt;years.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Sorry, your wrong! I have been using Arch for years and have yet to meet a show stopper bug, it is very stable.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Stability simply means tested! It does not have to be like Debian testing that grows stale with time, you can remain very very close to bleeding edge and still remain
+ stable...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;So basically, you just reinvented the concept of release, and the &gt;way&nbsp;Mandriva, Debian, Fedora work since years.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">And I must have peed in your&nbsp;cheerios... I am all for giving people what they want, I also don't think you have to follow the status quo to do so... We
+ don't have to be "just another distribution doing the same things the others are doing"... Sorry, but this is what I see....</span></font></div></td></tr></table>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">&gt;There is a limited set of options, and as you can see, none of your &gt;idea&nbsp;was not already explored by someone else.</span><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">It has all been done before, in that sense let's just close up shop and call it a day???</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;
+ "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; "><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;If everything move all days, you cannot :<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;- translate software ( as the string will change every day )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;- create documentation ( for the same reason )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;- communicate ( as everything ca be broken at any time )<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;- ensure stability ( as each change can bring unstability )<br style="line-height: 1.2em;
+ outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; "><br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;And for user, some do not want to redo training every week for &gt;their<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;users, because libreoffice got updated, because ff 4 just arrived &gt;and<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;75% of extensions do not work, etc.&nbsp;<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;In fact, the whole release model is basically what is used all &gt;over the<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial;
+ ">&gt;place, from lower level like kernel to higher level like kde. So &gt;you can<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;get lots of feedback on it.</span></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; "><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">You are&nbsp;correct&nbsp;on the release model being used everywhere, that fit's development and really there is no other way to do it as it takes time. But really, up stream does have to take time but package maintainers can pull things in pretty fast and make things work.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height:
+ 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">I don't understand what's being said here? Are we a community of users or are we just teachers teaching a class? Help with changes is what forums and people are for.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">You worried about not being able to keep up with documentation? I suggest you take a look at the Arch wiki, best Linux wiki there is and things&nbsp;change&nbsp;fast... Again, community...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height:
+ 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;So basically, you suggest that since everybody is already doing &gt;it, this&nbsp;is useless. So the logical conclusion is we should drop &gt;the&nbsp;distribution ?</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">No that is not what I'm saying!&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span
+ class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">What I am saying is that you have 100+/- distributions all going by a release model and only a handful making rolling releases. There is only one defacto maker of a rolling release and that is Arch, why does this have to be? (Yes I know there are others but Arch is the leader of the pack)</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;We have the same thing, this is the strength of free software. We<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;basically all work together.</span></font></div><div><font
+ class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">It truly is redundant to do what everyone else is doing just because....</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;like cauldron ? or debian unstable, fedora rawhide, opensuse &gt;factory,</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">mandriva cooker ?</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span"
+ face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Sure, there has to be an unstable branch whether rolling or not...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;like debian testing ( and CUT ) ? suse tumbleweed ? arch linux</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span"
+ face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Nope, gotta call you on this... Debian testing rolls with the&nbsp;purpose&nbsp;of becoming a release... Therefore things can grow outdated rather quickly.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Suse tumblweed IS NOT going to be a true rolling release! It is going to "tumble up" to the next release hence the name.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height:
+ 16px;">This cannot be compared to Arch either as Arch has a set of rules as well and rolls into stable...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;Very stable for a distribution mean "that do not change". That's<br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; ">&gt;incompatible with the idea of rolling per definition. And inorder &gt;to&nbsp;have stable software, you have to freeze them and fix bugs. So &gt;to have&nbsp;that on the whole distribution, you need to freeze the &gt;whole&nbsp;distribution for a time, and then ask for test, fix bugs &gt;and then&nbsp;release. Which is
+ exactly what we currently do since &gt;years.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Sorry, your wrong! I have been using Arch for years and have yet to meet a show stopper bug, it is very stable.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Stability simply means tested! It does not have to be like Debian testing that grows stale with time, you can remain very very close to bleeding edge and still remain
+ stable...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">&gt;So basically, you just reinvented the concept of release, and the &gt;way&nbsp;Mandriva, Debian, Fedora work since years.&nbsp;</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">And I must have peed in your&nbsp;cheerios... I am all for giving people what they want, I also don't think you have to follow the status quo to do so... We
+ don't have to be "just another distribution doing the same things the others are doing"... Sorry, but this is what I see....</span></font></div></td></tr></table>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Michael Scherer &lt;misc@zarb.org&gt; schrieb am 12.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Proposal 1:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 6 months release cycle -&gt; 12 months life cycle</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva &lt; 2010.1 &amp;&amp; Mandriva != 2006.0 )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Proposal 2:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 9 months release cycle -&gt; 18 months life cycle</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ( ~ opensuse and the one we used for Mageia 1 )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Proposal 3:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 12 months release cycle -&gt; 24 months life cycle</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ( Mandriva &gt; 2010.1 )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">That's kind of a hard decison. I don't know if a 6 month cycle would not put too much stress on the dev/packager community. But 12 months are a bit much for the hordes of impatient users usually residing in the forums.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So I would - for now - prefer option 2, 9 months seeming a reasonable time span.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Especially since we would always be able to change that cycle to something more fitting.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As to the &quot;rolling&quot; and the &quot;lts&quot; discussion. I think it's something for the future. We first have to see, how much manpower we really have, to maintain the distro.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I woul then kind of like the idea of a special rolling repo like debian testing or suse tumbleweed.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Michael Scherer &lt;misc@zarb.org&gt; schrieb am 12.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Proposal 1:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 6 months release cycle -&gt; 12 months life cycle</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ( Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva &lt; 2010.1 &amp;&amp; Mandriva != 2006.0 )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Proposal 2:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 9 months release cycle -&gt; 18 months life cycle</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ( ~ opensuse and the one we used for Mageia 1 )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Proposal 3:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 12 months release cycle -&gt; 24 months life cycle</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ( Mandriva &gt; 2010.1 )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">That's kind of a hard decison. I don't know if a 6 month cycle would not put too much stress on the dev/packager community. But 12 months are a bit much for the hordes of impatient users usually residing in the forums.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So I would - for now - prefer option 2, 9 months seeming a reasonable time span.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Especially since we would always be able to change that cycle to something more fitting.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As to the &quot;rolling&quot; and the &quot;lts&quot; discussion. I think it's something for the future. We first have to see, how much manpower we really have, to maintain the distro.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I woul then kind of like the idea of a special rolling repo like debian testing or suse tumbleweed.</p>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">I made another post in a different thread about the way I feel the release cycle should go. After more thinking I do think that I really have the right idea and here is why...</font><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">Going the route of release cycles really does not make this distribution fit into anything. You going to try and appeal to new people? Ubuntu has that&nbsp;</font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">covered and you will never steal that role. Hoping to become a geek type distro? There are many that have that covered.&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">The best thing you can do as a
+ team is try to come up with something that makes you stand apart from the crowd. I never understood the release cycle model anyhow, whats the goal of that? To show off the latest tech in the open source world? Really? With Slackware and Fedora and Suse and hosts of other flavors of GNU/Linux all doing the same thing?</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">What do we have that others don't? We have something new that can be great if planned right. There are 100's of distros releasing in cycles, let's get out of that and truly showcase the best of open source through:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">Unstable branch - absolute latest software here...</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">Rolling unstable -
+ Still risky but not on the lines of unstable</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">Rolling stable - everyday use and very stable&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">You could throw in "snapshots" and support those for X amount of time as I have posted in the other place if you wanted (based on rolling unstable). You could also have LTS releases based on Rolling stable.... It's up to you.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">I don't&nbsp;believe we need yet another "burn new disk every X months for????" distribution.&nbsp;</font></div><div></div></td></tr></table>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">I made another post in a different thread about the way I feel the release cycle should go. After more thinking I do think that I really have the right idea and here is why...</font><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">Going the route of release cycles really does not make this distribution fit into anything. You going to try and appeal to new people? Ubuntu has that&nbsp;</font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">covered and you will never steal that role. Hoping to become a geek type distro? There are many that have that covered.&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">The best thing you can do as a
+ team is try to come up with something that makes you stand apart from the crowd. I never understood the release cycle model anyhow, whats the goal of that? To show off the latest tech in the open source world? Really? With Slackware and Fedora and Suse and hosts of other flavors of GNU/Linux all doing the same thing?</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">What do we have that others don't? We have something new that can be great if planned right. There are 100's of distros releasing in cycles, let's get out of that and truly showcase the best of open source through:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">Unstable branch - absolute latest software here...</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">Rolling unstable -
+ Still risky but not on the lines of unstable</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">Rolling stable - everyday use and very stable&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">You could throw in "snapshots" and support those for X amount of time as I have posted in the other place if you wanted (based on rolling unstable). You could also have LTS releases based on Rolling stable.... It's up to you.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="2">I don't&nbsp;believe we need yet another "burn new disk every X months for????" distribution.&nbsp;</font></div><div></div></td></tr></table>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br>
+</div></div> As I said with different<br>
+words, not using a volunteer&#39;s help would be a crime !<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>:-))</div><div>I ready to start</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div>
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+</div></div> As I said with different<br>
+words, not using a volunteer&#39;s help would be a crime !<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>:-))</div><div>I ready to start</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div>
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+<p>I agree. Mailing lists are messy and hard to follow. And sometimes the only response you get is about how you sent the message wrong. I bet more people would use the forums. Only a couple people so far are hooked on mailing lists. Im seeing more and more comments coming in about this. forums would at least would allow people to follow one version of the discussion instead of everyone posting a copy with their reply. And its easier to review past messages without sorting through all your emails that practically spam your box. People can subscribe to the topics they actually want, and browse the messages at their leisure. mailing list might work best for a couple people but is it worth inconveniencing the rest of the word because you are a die hard mailing list user?</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 14, 2011 6:42 AM, &quot;lebarhon&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:lebarhon@free.fr">lebarhon@free.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; by *roadrunner <br>&gt; &lt;<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=468">https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=468</a>&gt;* » <br>
+&gt; Jun 13th, &#39;11, 22:24<br>&gt; <br>&gt;     pmithrandir wrote:BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated<br>&gt;     and that mageia should have a special section in this forum for<br>&gt;     these discussion, or maybe another forum.<br>
+&gt;     It&#39;s totally impossible for people who want to participate sometimes<br>&gt;     to follow you emails everydays. It&#39;s much faster to read some topic<br>&gt;     on a forum than dozens emails. And your final user should be able to<br>
+&gt;     know what happen easily. It would be a big + in front of others<br>&gt;     distributions.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Well said, I couldn&#39;t have put it better mysef and I agree 100%<br>&gt; <br>&gt; .\\artin<br></div>
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+<p>I agree. Mailing lists are messy and hard to follow. And sometimes the only response you get is about how you sent the message wrong. I bet more people would use the forums. Only a couple people so far are hooked on mailing lists. Im seeing more and more comments coming in about this. forums would at least would allow people to follow one version of the discussion instead of everyone posting a copy with their reply. And its easier to review past messages without sorting through all your emails that practically spam your box. People can subscribe to the topics they actually want, and browse the messages at their leisure. mailing list might work best for a couple people but is it worth inconveniencing the rest of the word because you are a die hard mailing list user?</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 14, 2011 6:42 AM, &quot;lebarhon&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:lebarhon@free.fr">lebarhon@free.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; by *roadrunner <br>&gt; &lt;<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=468">https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=468</a>&gt;* » <br>
+&gt; Jun 13th, &#39;11, 22:24<br>&gt; <br>&gt;     pmithrandir wrote:BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated<br>&gt;     and that mageia should have a special section in this forum for<br>&gt;     these discussion, or maybe another forum.<br>
+&gt;     It&#39;s totally impossible for people who want to participate sometimes<br>&gt;     to follow you emails everydays. It&#39;s much faster to read some topic<br>&gt;     on a forum than dozens emails. And your final user should be able to<br>
+&gt;     know what happen easily. It would be a big + in front of others<br>&gt;     distributions.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Well said, I couldn&#39;t have put it better mysef and I agree 100%<br>&gt; <br>&gt; .\\artin<br></div>
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+<p>And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don&#39;t let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot of redundant data using up server traffic. In a forum everything is more central. A lot less redundancy. and you can still get topic replies. What about being able to reply to the notification email to reply to the thread? That would be a start on a compromise. Nice feature for a modern forum/mailing system. Maybe also be able to subscribe  to forum catagories. This would allow those who wish for emails to still use mail.</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 14, 2011 9:16 AM, &quot;Frank Griffin&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; On 06/14/2011 09:07 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; So, IMHO this discussion is as meaningless as the famous/infamous vi<br>&gt;&gt; vs emacs discussions of way back when.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; +1<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Not to mention that if you don&#39;t like getting emails, you can always <br>
+&gt; simply use the archives to find what interests you.<br>&gt; <br></div>
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+<p>And keeping one golden rule of software development in mind, don&#39;t let your system do redundant tasks. Look how many times a conversation is repeated throughout its life time in a mailing list. Thats alot of redundant data using up server traffic. In a forum everything is more central. A lot less redundancy. and you can still get topic replies. What about being able to reply to the notification email to reply to the thread? That would be a start on a compromise. Nice feature for a modern forum/mailing system. Maybe also be able to subscribe  to forum catagories. This would allow those who wish for emails to still use mail.</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 14, 2011 9:16 AM, &quot;Frank Griffin&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; On 06/14/2011 09:07 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; So, IMHO this discussion is as meaningless as the famous/infamous vi<br>&gt;&gt; vs emacs discussions of way back when.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; +1<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Not to mention that if you don&#39;t like getting emails, you can always <br>
+&gt; simply use the archives to find what interests you.<br>&gt; <br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/14 Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I don&#39;t want a full rolling release, because of the listed disadvantages. So, if you ask me what is &quot;wrong&quot; with Arch, I would say:<br>
+* due to the rolling release, it&#39;s nearly vanilla. This doesn&#39;t match requirements of Mageia<br>
+* no innovations (because of vanilla)<br>
+* a rolling core system has a negative correlation with it&#39;s stability<br>
+* heavy work load<br>
+* ...<br>
+<br>
+So, I don&#39;t ask for a copy of Arch nor any other distribution. I asked (although it wasn&#39;t my idea) for something new. An compromise: a light rolling release.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is exactly what release + updates + backports can be, the only requirement is enough people to do the work. I do not understand what people are saying about backports being &quot;unsupported&quot;. IMHO we should either have backports that are supported, with fixes for security issues and important bugs, or no backports.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was explicitely said to be unsupported. &quot;Use it at your own risks&quot;</div><div>We may have to rewrite  this and make things clear</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+<br>
+    Christiaan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/14 Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Thorsten van Lil wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I don&#39;t want a full rolling release, because of the listed disadvantages. So, if you ask me what is &quot;wrong&quot; with Arch, I would say:<br>
+* due to the rolling release, it&#39;s nearly vanilla. This doesn&#39;t match requirements of Mageia<br>
+* no innovations (because of vanilla)<br>
+* a rolling core system has a negative correlation with it&#39;s stability<br>
+* heavy work load<br>
+* ...<br>
+<br>
+So, I don&#39;t ask for a copy of Arch nor any other distribution. I asked (although it wasn&#39;t my idea) for something new. An compromise: a light rolling release.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+This is exactly what release + updates + backports can be, the only requirement is enough people to do the work. I do not understand what people are saying about backports being &quot;unsupported&quot;. IMHO we should either have backports that are supported, with fixes for security issues and important bugs, or no backports.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was explicitely said to be unsupported. &quot;Use it at your own risks&quot;</div><div>We may have to rewrite  this and make things clear</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+<br>
+    Christiaan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thorsten van Lil &lt;tvl83@gmx.de&gt; schrieb am 14.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Am Montag, 13. Juni 2011, 23:28:04 schrieb Renaud MICHEL:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I don't get it why people think a re-install is necessary.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; My current computer was installed with mandriva 2007 (don't</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; remember if it was .0 or .1), it is now mageia 1 and has been</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; updated to all intermediary mdv releases.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; An Upgrade is nearly the same, than reinstalling. The difference is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; only, that you can use your system in the mean time and you are</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not forced to install the missing packages.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And you keep all your precious settings and databases and webroots and...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And of couse the software you did unstall outside of the package management (proprietary stuff,...).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And a bit to the argument of having to install loads of software at the same time: When some basic libraries are upgraded, loads of software have to be rebuilt against them, so with the rolling aproach you will just get that massive upgrades more often, so where is the bonus in it?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If people want to have their software more up to date, use backports, if they want to have it even more up to date, use cauldron, but don't cry if anything breaks.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thorsten van Lil &lt;tvl83@gmx.de&gt; schrieb am 14.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Am Montag, 13. Juni 2011, 23:28:04 schrieb Renaud MICHEL:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I don't get it why people think a re-install is necessary.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; My current computer was installed with mandriva 2007 (don't</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; remember if it was .0 or .1), it is now mageia 1 and has been</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; updated to all intermediary mdv releases.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; An Upgrade is nearly the same, than reinstalling. The difference is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; only, that you can use your system in the mean time and you are</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not forced to install the missing packages.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And you keep all your precious settings and databases and webroots and...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And of couse the software you did unstall outside of the package management (proprietary stuff,...).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And a bit to the argument of having to install loads of software at the same time: When some basic libraries are upgraded, loads of software have to be rebuilt against them, so with the rolling aproach you will just get that massive upgrades more often, so where is the bonus in it?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If people want to have their software more up to date, use backports, if they want to have it even more up to date, use cauldron, but don't cry if anything breaks.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le mardi 14 juin 2011 08:56:29, Dexter Morgan a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; do we wait firefox 5 rc or we can start to update to firefox 5 soon ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>I noticed that mandriva is now providing a -stable, -beta  and -devel version<br>
+of firefox, maybe we can use this solution.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber ID: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>We are already using this for the chromium-browser i just noticed that this morning.<br><br>When I remember correct Mozilla doesn&#39;t plan to bring out a RC?? Maybe I&#39;m wrong with that. But providing FF5 for Mga2 would be nice (maybe we can just go to Version 6 or 7 when it&#39;s out. When their new release cycle works FF7 will be out before mga2)<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le mardi 14 juin 2011 08:56:29, Dexter Morgan a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; do we wait firefox 5 rc or we can start to update to firefox 5 soon ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>I noticed that mandriva is now providing a -stable, -beta  and -devel version<br>
+of firefox, maybe we can use this solution.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber ID: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>We are already using this for the chromium-browser i just noticed that this morning.<br><br>When I remember correct Mozilla doesn&#39;t plan to bring out a RC?? Maybe I&#39;m wrong with that. But providing FF5 for Mga2 would be nice (maybe we can just go to Version 6 or 7 when it&#39;s out. When their new release cycle works FF7 will be out before mga2)<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+    <span class="corners-top"><span></span></span>by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=468">roadrunner</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 22:24
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>pmithrandir wrote:</cite>BTW : I think mailing list
+          are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special
+          section in this forum for these discussion, or maybe another
+          forum.<br>
+          It's totally impossible for people who want to participate
+          sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to
+          read some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final
+          user should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a
+          big + in front of others distributions.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      Well said, I couldn't have put it better mysef and I agree 100%<br>
+      <br>
+      .\\artin</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <span class="corners-top"><span></span></span>by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=468">roadrunner</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 22:24
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>pmithrandir wrote:</cite>BTW : I think mailing list
+          are totally outdated and that mageia should have a special
+          section in this forum for these discussion, or maybe another
+          forum.<br>
+          It's totally impossible for people who want to participate
+          sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to
+          read some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final
+          user should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a
+          big + in front of others distributions.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      Well said, I couldn't have put it better mysef and I agree 100%<br>
+      <br>
+      .\\artin</div>
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+    <br>
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=646">corbintech</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 22:12
+    <div class="content">I quit the ML because I was not doing it right
+      (never used a list like that before).<br>
+      <br>
+      So if I may, I will post here what somebody responded to me and
+      write my response here.<br>
+      <br>
+      <blockquote class="uncited">
+        <div>complete rolling release would put a QA strain on each of
+          the levels. think <br>
+          about it, it's not only the current package being updated, but
+          also the <br>
+          combinations with other packages. (AND also all the long time
+          supported <br>
+          versions)<br>
+          <br>
+          This would mean that for each package being release, it'll
+          have to work with <br>
+          the current set of other packages, but also with the packages
+          you'll be doing <br>
+          next.<br>
+          <br>
+          if you have this constant level of QA, you need alot of
+          resources (which we <br>
+          don't have in QA), and as an extra result, you'll not have the
+          same level of <br>
+          QA you could have, when you're doing a release.<br>
+          <br>
+          it's much easier (as devs) to just choose a subset of
+          packages, and test those <br>
+          out.<br>
+          <br>
+          if you have X QA-devs, and you have 1 subset of versions of
+          packages, you can <br>
+          test alot more than if you have several versions of several
+          packages that need <br>
+          to work all with each other in almost any combinations...<br>
+          <br>
+          not to mention that you need an extra step with QA to put a
+          "group" of <br>
+          packages from one level to the next...<br>
+          <br>
+          sorry, but with our current resources, i vote no. i want
+          current resources to <br>
+          be used much more efficiently than with a rolling release.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Why do we keep acting like there is no other way to pool
+      resources? I have never helped develop in any way, teach me
+      something and I'll lend a hand... Others may do the same.. ASK!<br>
+      <br>
+      QA comes from testing... Test... Test... And test more... To make
+      sure what you have works and works well. Let's change up my idea a
+      bit and satisfy everyone... Let's compromise... <br>
+      <br>
+      How about Cooker (or whatever you call) rolls to rolling (can be
+      very stable???!!!) with release cycle releases based on a snapshot
+      of either of the rolling models and supported for X amount of
+      time? This could make those whom want a rolling release model
+      happy and those whom want a release cycle.<br>
+      <br>
+      Would this be hard? I don't really think so as development is
+      already based on a rolling model (cooker or whatever), all that
+      will have to be done is packages roll down the line. I seen in the
+      start of all these talks you wanted to support 3 structures of
+      systems... Here they are!<br>
+      <br>
+      What about this? Get the community involved!</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    <br>
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=646">corbintech</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 22:12
+    <div class="content">I quit the ML because I was not doing it right
+      (never used a list like that before).<br>
+      <br>
+      So if I may, I will post here what somebody responded to me and
+      write my response here.<br>
+      <br>
+      <blockquote class="uncited">
+        <div>complete rolling release would put a QA strain on each of
+          the levels. think <br>
+          about it, it's not only the current package being updated, but
+          also the <br>
+          combinations with other packages. (AND also all the long time
+          supported <br>
+          versions)<br>
+          <br>
+          This would mean that for each package being release, it'll
+          have to work with <br>
+          the current set of other packages, but also with the packages
+          you'll be doing <br>
+          next.<br>
+          <br>
+          if you have this constant level of QA, you need alot of
+          resources (which we <br>
+          don't have in QA), and as an extra result, you'll not have the
+          same level of <br>
+          QA you could have, when you're doing a release.<br>
+          <br>
+          it's much easier (as devs) to just choose a subset of
+          packages, and test those <br>
+          out.<br>
+          <br>
+          if you have X QA-devs, and you have 1 subset of versions of
+          packages, you can <br>
+          test alot more than if you have several versions of several
+          packages that need <br>
+          to work all with each other in almost any combinations...<br>
+          <br>
+          not to mention that you need an extra step with QA to put a
+          "group" of <br>
+          packages from one level to the next...<br>
+          <br>
+          sorry, but with our current resources, i vote no. i want
+          current resources to <br>
+          be used much more efficiently than with a rolling release.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Why do we keep acting like there is no other way to pool
+      resources? I have never helped develop in any way, teach me
+      something and I'll lend a hand... Others may do the same.. ASK!<br>
+      <br>
+      QA comes from testing... Test... Test... And test more... To make
+      sure what you have works and works well. Let's change up my idea a
+      bit and satisfy everyone... Let's compromise... <br>
+      <br>
+      How about Cooker (or whatever you call) rolls to rolling (can be
+      very stable???!!!) with release cycle releases based on a snapshot
+      of either of the rolling models and supported for X amount of
+      time? This could make those whom want a rolling release model
+      happy and those whom want a release cycle.<br>
+      <br>
+      Would this be hard? I don't really think so as development is
+      already based on a rolling model (cooker or whatever), all that
+      will have to be done is packages roll down the line. I seen in the
+      start of all these talks you wanted to support 3 structures of
+      systems... Here they are!<br>
+      <br>
+      What about this? Get the community involved!</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p>Mailing lists and forums I guess both have drawbacks and advantages. I am sorry if I sounded biased, and was off topic. I still think some kind of innovative new messaging/forum/blog/mailing list reimagining sounds like a fun project. But I do understand its not a feasible option right now for mageia. I definitly think im gonna ponder this more. I do have experience in php and other web related languages. Again sorry I was off topic in the other thread, and thanks for the healthy debate. Its refreshing to hear some brutal honesty and sense. If anyone is interested in talking more about this I would certainly be grateful for some constructive criticism from such a knowledgable group. I hope I did this right. Trying to make it a new topic.</p>
+
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+<p>Mailing lists and forums I guess both have drawbacks and advantages. I am sorry if I sounded biased, and was off topic. I still think some kind of innovative new messaging/forum/blog/mailing list reimagining sounds like a fun project. But I do understand its not a feasible option right now for mageia. I definitly think im gonna ponder this more. I do have experience in php and other web related languages. Again sorry I was off topic in the other thread, and thanks for the healthy debate. Its refreshing to hear some brutal honesty and sense. If anyone is interested in talking more about this I would certainly be grateful for some constructive criticism from such a knowledgable group. I hope I did this right. Trying to make it a new topic.</p>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/14 Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+martedì 14 giugno 2011 alle 12:00, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU ha scritto:<br>
+<div class="im">.....</div>
+<br>
+Said that every distros have problems. Mageia has no monodevelop<br>
+for me taht&#39;s blocking as well...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I will push monodevelop in svn asap (maybe this evening), for the revision of my mentor.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">        Angelo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/14 Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+martedì 14 giugno 2011 alle 12:00, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU ha scritto:<br>
+<div class="im">.....</div>
+<br>
+Said that every distros have problems. Mageia has no monodevelop<br>
+for me taht&#39;s blocking as well...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I will push monodevelop in svn asap (maybe this evening), for the revision of my mentor.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">        Angelo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ciao<br>Stblack<br><a href="http://stblack.blogspot.com/">http://stblack.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/14 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/6/14 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was<br>
+&gt; explicitely said to be unsupported. &quot;Use it at your own risks&quot;<br>
+&gt; We may have to rewrite  this and make things clear<br>
+<br>
+</div>Do you mean, just telling people that it is no risk or do you mean a<br>
+change which lessens the risk?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>not at all</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+As Michael wrote earlier in this thread, if there was the risk to<br>
+break the system by low quality of backports then the quality has to<br>
+be improved (not his own words but that&#39;s how I understood it).<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div>exactly what I had in mind. Having backports can allow choice between &quot;the last version of&quot; and &quot;the stable version with which I&#39;m happy</div><div> with&quot;. But indeed we need more quality in backport rpms that is policy and tests.</div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/14 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/6/14 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I guess because of Mandriva policy. We did provide backports but it was<br>
+&gt; explicitely said to be unsupported. &quot;Use it at your own risks&quot;<br>
+&gt; We may have to rewrite  this and make things clear<br>
+<br>
+</div>Do you mean, just telling people that it is no risk or do you mean a<br>
+change which lessens the risk?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>not at all</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+As Michael wrote earlier in this thread, if there was the risk to<br>
+break the system by low quality of backports then the quality has to<br>
+be improved (not his own words but that&#39;s how I understood it).<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div>exactly what I had in mind. Having backports can allow choice between &quot;the last version of&quot; and &quot;the stable version with which I&#39;m happy</div><div> with&quot;. But indeed we need more quality in backport rpms that is policy and tests.</div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
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+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=194">dave</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 14th, '11, 22:32
+    <div class="content">One release every year with the related updated
+      (don't wait one year for have ad updated software) is better. The
+      best could be an half-rolling like chakra but this option isn't in
+      the proposals <img src="cid:part1.06040901.06050103@free.fr"
+        alt=":lol:" title="Laughing"></div>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    by <strong><a
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+    &raquo; Jun 14th, '11, 22:32
+    <div class="content">One release every year with the related updated
+      (don't wait one year for have ad updated software) is better. The
+      best could be an half-rolling like chakra but this option isn't in
+      the proposals <img src="cid:part1.06040901.06050103@free.fr"
+        alt=":lol:" title="Laughing"></div>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+** (bluetooth-applet:5981): WARNING **: Could not open RFKILL control device, please verify your installation
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+As usual at 19h UTC on #mageia-dev. Here are the topics<div><br></div><div>- post-mortem review</div><div>- quick summary of current cycle release discussion</div><div>- start of stable updates</div><div>- mentoring review</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers !<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+As usual at 19h UTC on #mageia-dev. Here are the topics<div><br></div><div>- post-mortem review</div><div>- quick summary of current cycle release discussion</div><div>- start of stable updates</div><div>- mentoring review</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers !<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 16/06/2011 19:57, lebarhon a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4DFA4420.5090709@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+        http-equiv="Content-Type">
+      &nbsp;by <strong><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=359">pmithrandir</a></strong>
+      &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 20:21
+      <blockquote cite="mid:4DFA43A9.1080003@free.fr" type="cite">
+        <div class="content">On my side, I think mageia should do a
+          "mix" of others idea.<br>
+          <br>
+          I would say : <br>
+          - A release every year.<br>
+          - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff
+          (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+          - During this year also a way to add some new package if
+          needed or if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+          <br>
+          Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+          maintain for 4 years.<br>
+          <br>
+          So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+          - The LTS<br>
+          - The common release<br>
+          - The cauldron.<br>
+          <br>
+          With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one
+          release for public at a time, and just one LTS.<br>
+          If you update main software(we could define a list of no more
+          than 20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or
+          developper who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy.<br>
+          <br>
+          BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that
+          mageia should have a special section in this forum for these
+          discussion, or maybe another forum.<br>
+          It's totally impossible for people who want to participate
+          sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to
+          read some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final
+          user should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a
+          big + in front of others distributions.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      by <strong><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=448">claire</a></strong>
+      &raquo; Jun 16th, '11, 14:27
+      <div class="content">
+        <blockquote>
+          <div><cite>pmithrandir wrote:</cite>On my side, I think mageia
+            should do a "mix" of others idea.<br>
+            <br>
+            I would say : <br>
+            - A release every year.<br>
+            - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff
+            (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+            - During this year also a way to add some new package if
+            needed or if there is some instant success for a new
+            software.<br>
+            <br>
+            Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+            maintain for 4 years.<br>
+            <br>
+            So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+            - The LTS<br>
+            - The common release<br>
+            - The cauldron.<br>
+          </div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        I completely agree with this. There is no real need to rush
+        releases as long as new versions are easily available. I know
+        backports repo is available but its not very user friendly. As
+        an example, the newer versions of Openshot video editor have a
+        very nice feature of being able to do animated titles. To be
+        able to use them you need Blender 2.5. Whilst Mageia includes
+        Openshot 1.3.1 (which errors with missing plugins btw) which at
+        time of writing is current it still has Blender 2.49b.<br>
+        <br>
+        It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to
+        upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary
+        users know a newer version is available and a simple click to
+        upgrade it.<br>
+        <br>
+        LTS releases in Ubuntu IMHO are a great idea and one which would
+        add value to mageia as a potential server/business OS where
+        stability over time is crucial.<br>
+        <br>
+        I dont think Joe Bloggs really cares about a 6 monthly
+        distribution upgrade, only that new versions of the software
+        they use are easily obtainable in the mean time and won't break
+        the distribution upgrade when it comes around.</div>
+    </blockquote>
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=468">roadrunner</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 16th, '11, 15:35
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>claire wrote:</cite>
+          <blockquote>
+            <div><cite>pmithrandir wrote:</cite>I dont think Joe Bloggs
+              really cares about a 6 monthly distribution upgrade, only
+              that new versions of the software they use are easily
+              obtainable in the mean time and won't break the
+              distribution upgrade when it comes around.</div>
+          </blockquote>
+        </div>
+      </blockquote>
+      Speaking as a typical "Joe Bloggs", all I'm interested in is
+      keeping my applications up to date with the occasional
+      distribution upgrade. I'm not interested in regular release cycles
+      because I feel that this leads to "rush-jobs", which in turn,
+      leads to bugs galore. I'm more interested in a solid reliable
+      distribution upgrade on the "it'll be ready when it's ready"
+      basis.<br>
+      <br>
+      .\\artin</div>
+    <div id="sig3679" class="signature"><span style="font-style:
+        italic;">- Mageia 1 32-bit - KDE SC 4.6.3 -<br>
+        - AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ CPU -<br>
+        - 4Gb RAM - nVidia 8500GT GPU -</span></div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 16/06/2011 19:57, lebarhon a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4DFA4420.5090709@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+        http-equiv="Content-Type">
+      &nbsp;by <strong><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=359">pmithrandir</a></strong>
+      &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 20:21
+      <blockquote cite="mid:4DFA43A9.1080003@free.fr" type="cite">
+        <div class="content">On my side, I think mageia should do a
+          "mix" of others idea.<br>
+          <br>
+          I would say : <br>
+          - A release every year.<br>
+          - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff
+          (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+          - During this year also a way to add some new package if
+          needed or if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+          <br>
+          Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+          maintain for 4 years.<br>
+          <br>
+          So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+          - The LTS<br>
+          - The common release<br>
+          - The cauldron.<br>
+          <br>
+          With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one
+          release for public at a time, and just one LTS.<br>
+          If you update main software(we could define a list of no more
+          than 20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or
+          developper who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy.<br>
+          <br>
+          BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that
+          mageia should have a special section in this forum for these
+          discussion, or maybe another forum.<br>
+          It's totally impossible for people who want to participate
+          sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to
+          read some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final
+          user should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a
+          big + in front of others distributions.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      by <strong><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=448">claire</a></strong>
+      &raquo; Jun 16th, '11, 14:27
+      <div class="content">
+        <blockquote>
+          <div><cite>pmithrandir wrote:</cite>On my side, I think mageia
+            should do a "mix" of others idea.<br>
+            <br>
+            I would say : <br>
+            - A release every year.<br>
+            - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff
+            (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+            - During this year also a way to add some new package if
+            needed or if there is some instant success for a new
+            software.<br>
+            <br>
+            Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+            maintain for 4 years.<br>
+            <br>
+            So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+            - The LTS<br>
+            - The common release<br>
+            - The cauldron.<br>
+          </div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        I completely agree with this. There is no real need to rush
+        releases as long as new versions are easily available. I know
+        backports repo is available but its not very user friendly. As
+        an example, the newer versions of Openshot video editor have a
+        very nice feature of being able to do animated titles. To be
+        able to use them you need Blender 2.5. Whilst Mageia includes
+        Openshot 1.3.1 (which errors with missing plugins btw) which at
+        time of writing is current it still has Blender 2.49b.<br>
+        <br>
+        It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to
+        upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary
+        users know a newer version is available and a simple click to
+        upgrade it.<br>
+        <br>
+        LTS releases in Ubuntu IMHO are a great idea and one which would
+        add value to mageia as a potential server/business OS where
+        stability over time is crucial.<br>
+        <br>
+        I dont think Joe Bloggs really cares about a 6 monthly
+        distribution upgrade, only that new versions of the software
+        they use are easily obtainable in the mean time and won't break
+        the distribution upgrade when it comes around.</div>
+    </blockquote>
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=468">roadrunner</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 16th, '11, 15:35
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>claire wrote:</cite>
+          <blockquote>
+            <div><cite>pmithrandir wrote:</cite>I dont think Joe Bloggs
+              really cares about a 6 monthly distribution upgrade, only
+              that new versions of the software they use are easily
+              obtainable in the mean time and won't break the
+              distribution upgrade when it comes around.</div>
+          </blockquote>
+        </div>
+      </blockquote>
+      Speaking as a typical "Joe Bloggs", all I'm interested in is
+      keeping my applications up to date with the occasional
+      distribution upgrade. I'm not interested in regular release cycles
+      because I feel that this leads to "rush-jobs", which in turn,
+      leads to bugs galore. I'm more interested in a solid reliable
+      distribution upgrade on the "it'll be ready when it's ready"
+      basis.<br>
+      <br>
+      .\\artin</div>
+    <div id="sig3679" class="signature"><span style="font-style:
+        italic;">- Mageia 1 32-bit - KDE SC 4.6.3 -<br>
+        - AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ CPU -<br>
+        - 4Gb RAM - nVidia 8500GT GPU -</span></div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    &nbsp;by <strong><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=359">pmithrandir</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 20:21
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4DFA43A9.1080003@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <div class="content">On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix"
+        of others idea.<br>
+        <br>
+        I would say : <br>
+        - A release every year.<br>
+        - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox,
+        chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+        - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed
+        or if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+        <br>
+        Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+        maintain for 4 years.<br>
+        <br>
+        So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+        - The LTS<br>
+        - The common release<br>
+        - The cauldron.<br>
+        <br>
+        With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one
+        release for public at a time, and just one LTS.<br>
+        If you update main software(we could define a list of no more
+        than 20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or
+        developper who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy.<br>
+        <br>
+        BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia
+        should have a special section in this forum for these
+        discussion, or maybe another forum.<br>
+        It's totally impossible for people who want to participate
+        sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to
+        read some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final
+        user should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a
+        big + in front of others distributions.</div>
+    </blockquote>
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=448">claire</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 16th, '11, 14:27
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>pmithrandir wrote:</cite>On my side, I think mageia
+          should do a "mix" of others idea.<br>
+          <br>
+          I would say : <br>
+          - A release every year.<br>
+          - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff
+          (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+          - During this year also a way to add some new package if
+          needed or if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+          <br>
+          Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+          maintain for 4 years.<br>
+          <br>
+          So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+          - The LTS<br>
+          - The common release<br>
+          - The cauldron.<br>
+        </div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      I completely agree with this. There is no real need to rush
+      releases as long as new versions are easily available. I know
+      backports repo is available but its not very user friendly. As an
+      example, the newer versions of Openshot video editor have a very
+      nice feature of being able to do animated titles. To be able to
+      use them you need Blender 2.5. Whilst Mageia includes Openshot
+      1.3.1 (which errors with missing plugins btw) which at time of
+      writing is current it still has Blender 2.49b.<br>
+      <br>
+      It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to
+      upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary
+      users know a newer version is available and a simple click to
+      upgrade it.<br>
+      <br>
+      LTS releases in Ubuntu IMHO are a great idea and one which would
+      add value to mageia as a potential server/business OS where
+      stability over time is crucial.<br>
+      <br>
+      I dont think Joe Bloggs really cares about a 6 monthly
+      distribution upgrade, only that new versions of the software they
+      use are easily obtainable in the mean time and won't break the
+      distribution upgrade when it comes around.</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    &nbsp;by <strong><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=359">pmithrandir</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 20:21
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4DFA43A9.1080003@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <div class="content">On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix"
+        of others idea.<br>
+        <br>
+        I would say : <br>
+        - A release every year.<br>
+        - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox,
+        chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+        - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed
+        or if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+        <br>
+        Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+        maintain for 4 years.<br>
+        <br>
+        So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+        - The LTS<br>
+        - The common release<br>
+        - The cauldron.<br>
+        <br>
+        With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one
+        release for public at a time, and just one LTS.<br>
+        If you update main software(we could define a list of no more
+        than 20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or
+        developper who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy.<br>
+        <br>
+        BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia
+        should have a special section in this forum for these
+        discussion, or maybe another forum.<br>
+        It's totally impossible for people who want to participate
+        sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to
+        read some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final
+        user should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a
+        big + in front of others distributions.</div>
+    </blockquote>
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=448">claire</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 16th, '11, 14:27
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>pmithrandir wrote:</cite>On my side, I think mageia
+          should do a "mix" of others idea.<br>
+          <br>
+          I would say : <br>
+          - A release every year.<br>
+          - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff
+          (firefox, chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+          - During this year also a way to add some new package if
+          needed or if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+          <br>
+          Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+          maintain for 4 years.<br>
+          <br>
+          So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+          - The LTS<br>
+          - The common release<br>
+          - The cauldron.<br>
+        </div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      I completely agree with this. There is no real need to rush
+      releases as long as new versions are easily available. I know
+      backports repo is available but its not very user friendly. As an
+      example, the newer versions of Openshot video editor have a very
+      nice feature of being able to do animated titles. To be able to
+      use them you need Blender 2.5. Whilst Mageia includes Openshot
+      1.3.1 (which errors with missing plugins btw) which at time of
+      writing is current it still has Blender 2.49b.<br>
+      <br>
+      It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to
+      upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary
+      users know a newer version is available and a simple click to
+      upgrade it.<br>
+      <br>
+      LTS releases in Ubuntu IMHO are a great idea and one which would
+      add value to mageia as a potential server/business OS where
+      stability over time is crucial.<br>
+      <br>
+      I dont think Joe Bloggs really cares about a 6 monthly
+      distribution upgrade, only that new versions of the software they
+      use are easily obtainable in the mean time and won't break the
+      distribution upgrade when it comes around.</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Marianne Lombard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marianne@tuxette.fr">marianne@tuxette.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 16/06/2011 19:16, José Jorge a écrit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le jeudi 16 juin 2011 12:39:49, Michael Scherer a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+So I think we can find a better system for proposing software that<br>
+grouping together in some rpm that pull everything.<br>
+</blockquote>
+You mean something like Ubuntu&#39;s &quot;logithèque&quot;? I agree, but that&#39;s lots of<br>
+work. A task package by my view is used this way :<br>
+<br>
+- hi I discover linux, is there any education soft?<br>
+- install task-edu, and try them.<br>
+<br>
+I always do that for newcomers<br>
+<br>
+José<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+I think a web page (or a group of ) will be better<br>
+We can present the software, explain how to install, etc<br>
+<br>
+The need are very different between a 4 or 5 years child (who will love Gcompris or other similar programm) and 10-12 years, very fond of stargazing, who will ask for stellarium or marble<br>
+<br>
+My 2 cents<br>
+<br>
+Jehane<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Marianne Lombard (Jehane)<br>
+Mageia User - Mageia french translation team<br>
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>A Live CD which will provide all of this programs would be nice too. And we will need a little bit of <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Click for alternate translations" class="hps">advertisement to find new people and even children using this programs.<br clear="all">
+</span></span><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Marianne Lombard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marianne@tuxette.fr">marianne@tuxette.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 16/06/2011 19:16, José Jorge a écrit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le jeudi 16 juin 2011 12:39:49, Michael Scherer a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+So I think we can find a better system for proposing software that<br>
+grouping together in some rpm that pull everything.<br>
+</blockquote>
+You mean something like Ubuntu&#39;s &quot;logithèque&quot;? I agree, but that&#39;s lots of<br>
+work. A task package by my view is used this way :<br>
+<br>
+- hi I discover linux, is there any education soft?<br>
+- install task-edu, and try them.<br>
+<br>
+I always do that for newcomers<br>
+<br>
+José<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+I think a web page (or a group of ) will be better<br>
+We can present the software, explain how to install, etc<br>
+<br>
+The need are very different between a 4 or 5 years child (who will love Gcompris or other similar programm) and 10-12 years, very fond of stargazing, who will ask for stellarium or marble<br>
+<br>
+My 2 cents<br>
+<br>
+Jehane<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Marianne Lombard (Jehane)<br>
+Mageia User - Mageia french translation team<br>
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>A Live CD which will provide all of this programs would be nice too. And we will need a little bit of <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Click for alternate translations" class="hps">advertisement to find new people and even children using this programs.<br clear="all">
+</span></span><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/16 lebarhon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lebarhon@free.fr">lebarhon@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><div></div><div class="h5">It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to
+      upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary
+      users know a newer version is available and a simple click to
+      upgrade it.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Look to Mageia App DB (in testing)</div><div>There is growing a good interface.<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></div>
+<div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><a href="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/rpm/list/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0/listtype/updates_testing/page/1">http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/rpm/list/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0/listtype/updates_testing/page/1</a></div>
+<div>The link shows the update soon coming.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/16 lebarhon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lebarhon@free.fr">lebarhon@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><div></div><div class="h5">It would be useful if there were a nice user friendly way to
+      upgrade Blender when it is backported. Something to let ordinary
+      users know a newer version is available and a simple click to
+      upgrade it.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Look to Mageia App DB (in testing)</div><div>There is growing a good interface.<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></div>
+<div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><a href="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/rpm/list/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0/listtype/updates_testing/page/1">http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/rpm/list/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0/listtype/updates_testing/page/1</a></div>
+<div>The link shows the update soon coming.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=359">pmithrandir</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 20:21
+    <div class="content">On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix" of
+      others idea.<br>
+      <br>
+      I would say : <br>
+      - A release every year.<br>
+      - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox,
+      chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+      - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed or
+      if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+      <br>
+      Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+      maintain for 4 years.<br>
+      <br>
+      So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+      - The LTS<br>
+      - The common release<br>
+      - The cauldron.<br>
+      <br>
+      With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one release
+      for public at a time, and just one LTS.<br>
+      If you update main software(we could define a list of no more than
+      20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or
+      developper who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy.<br>
+      <br>
+      BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia
+      should have a special section in this forum for these discussion,
+      or maybe another forum.<br>
+      It's totally impossible for people who want to participate
+      sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to read
+      some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final user
+      should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a big + in
+      front of others distributions.</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=359">pmithrandir</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 13th, '11, 20:21
+    <div class="content">On my side, I think mageia should do a "mix" of
+      others idea.<br>
+      <br>
+      I would say : <br>
+      - A release every year.<br>
+      - During this year, a way to update some popular stuff (firefox,
+      chrome, libreoffice...)<br>
+      - During this year also a way to add some new package if needed or
+      if there is some instant success for a new software.<br>
+      <br>
+      Every 3 years, the release is LTS and that mean it would be
+      maintain for 4 years.<br>
+      <br>
+      So at the same time, mageia would be in 3 mode : <br>
+      - The LTS<br>
+      - The common release<br>
+      - The cauldron.<br>
+      <br>
+      With that kind of stuff, you should have no more than one release
+      for public at a time, and just one LTS.<br>
+      If you update main software(we could define a list of no more than
+      20 software) people who are crasy about new function, or
+      developper who need tham to develop new stuff would be happy.<br>
+      <br>
+      BTW : I think mailing list are totally outdated and that mageia
+      should have a special section in this forum for these discussion,
+      or maybe another forum.<br>
+      It's totally impossible for people who want to participate
+      sometimes to follow you emails everydays. It's much faster to read
+      some topic on a forum than dozens emails. And your final user
+      should be able to know what happen easily. It would be a big + in
+      front of others distributions.</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 15 June 2011 13:35, Ahmad Samir &lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 14 June 2011 14:32, Frank Griffin &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 06/14/2011 08:22 AM, Thierry Vignaud wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Upgrading stable firefox to firefox5rc and importing firefox-{beta,aurora}<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; are two distinct orthogonal things IMHO.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; since firefox5 is near being released, I think we should update<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; main xulrunner+firefox to 5 anyway<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Whatever we do, please don&#39;t put it in Core to replace FF4 until the add-ons<br>
+&gt;&gt; have been updated.  It was really annoying to lose the Tor add-on for months<br>
+&gt;&gt; because the beta FF4 just showed up and replaced FF3, and the Tor add-on<br>
+&gt;&gt; wasn&#39;t updated until the release or just before.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I said, we have to have the Beta versions, so as to work out the<br>
+&gt; niggles to be ready to push the stable version to stable releases<br>
+&gt; (Mageia 1).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can always workaround the compatibility, either:<br>
+&gt; - Adding it manually <a href="http://kb.mozillazine.org/Extensions.checkCompatibility" target="_blank">http://kb.mozillazine.org/Extensions.checkCompatibility</a> OR<br>
+&gt; - Using this extension<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/" target="_blank">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; in my experience, 90% of the time the addon will work with a new<br>
+&gt; version of FF (but then again I use a limited number of addons).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Ahmad Samir<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I&#39;m with Ahmad, going for beta for testing seems right. The beta<br>
+release stage should be long enough for issues to be sorted so aurora<br>
+isn&#39;t needed.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Ok Mozilla has the RC1 released. Final shall come on Tuesday 21st June so yeah we will include that in Mageia 2 I think (as least this one, maybe FF6 or 7 depending on which version will be available i think)<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 15 June 2011 13:35, Ahmad Samir &lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 14 June 2011 14:32, Frank Griffin &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 06/14/2011 08:22 AM, Thierry Vignaud wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Upgrading stable firefox to firefox5rc and importing firefox-{beta,aurora}<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; are two distinct orthogonal things IMHO.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; since firefox5 is near being released, I think we should update<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; main xulrunner+firefox to 5 anyway<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Whatever we do, please don&#39;t put it in Core to replace FF4 until the add-ons<br>
+&gt;&gt; have been updated.  It was really annoying to lose the Tor add-on for months<br>
+&gt;&gt; because the beta FF4 just showed up and replaced FF3, and the Tor add-on<br>
+&gt;&gt; wasn&#39;t updated until the release or just before.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I said, we have to have the Beta versions, so as to work out the<br>
+&gt; niggles to be ready to push the stable version to stable releases<br>
+&gt; (Mageia 1).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can always workaround the compatibility, either:<br>
+&gt; - Adding it manually <a href="http://kb.mozillazine.org/Extensions.checkCompatibility" target="_blank">http://kb.mozillazine.org/Extensions.checkCompatibility</a> OR<br>
+&gt; - Using this extension<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/" target="_blank">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; in my experience, 90% of the time the addon will work with a new<br>
+&gt; version of FF (but then again I use a limited number of addons).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Ahmad Samir<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I&#39;m with Ahmad, going for beta for testing seems right. The beta<br>
+release stage should be long enough for issues to be sorted so aurora<br>
+isn&#39;t needed.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Ok Mozilla has the RC1 released. Final shall come on Tuesday 21st June so yeah we will include that in Mageia 2 I think (as least this one, maybe FF6 or 7 depending on which version will be available i think)<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=77"
+        style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204);" class="username-coloured">wobo</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 18:50
+    <div class="content">Several points jumped through my synapses
+      reading Trio3b's post.<br>
+      <br>
+      A thought I had many times before: are the users ready for such
+      Linux distributions? I do not mean any technical skills, no user
+      is supposed to learn how to create scripts and configure things by
+      editing config files any more. But I often see that users lack the
+      mindset, the way of thinking which is required by administrating
+      your own *nix system. One nice example was the KDE switch to 4.x
+      which Trio3b described as fiasco. But was this fiasco not really
+      caused by the users demand for "the latest" although KDE stated
+      that 4.0 (and a few following versions) were not for userland?
+      With the proper mindset users without development skills would
+      have stayed away from KDE 4 until it was declared as
+      "userland-ready", which was with 4.2 [1]. This is just one example
+      but could also be ported to other "fiascos".<br>
+      <br>
+      As often said, Linux is a system which forces the user to be a
+      sysadmin as well - but as a sysadmin you think different than a
+      user does. IMHO this is one point which is not communicated enough
+      to the user. Of course, marketing would have a fit seeing the
+      question "Are you ready to be a sysadmin?" all over the portal
+      site of our Linux distribution. But isn't this really the question
+      here when we talk about backports, updates, rolling releases and
+      all the rest? These are expressions and tasks for a sysadmin, not
+      a user. <br>
+      <br>
+      In business we do have IT departments and sysadmins who care for
+      those things - your average Dilbert in his cubicle is not supposed
+      to care for updates. But for the user at home we see this dual
+      personality with the different mindsets to be a given fact. Is
+      that so?<br>
+      <br>
+      As you can see, I did not aim at a certain conclusion here, I just
+      let my thoughts roam free (could well be an expos&eacute; for a editor's
+      article). <br>
+      <br>
+      [1] Of course, for the real "fiasco" we have to blame a certain
+      distribution as well which could not wait to be "the first to
+      offer the new KDE!" and thus caused other distributions to follow.</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=77"
+        style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204);" class="username-coloured">wobo</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 18:50
+    <div class="content">Several points jumped through my synapses
+      reading Trio3b's post.<br>
+      <br>
+      A thought I had many times before: are the users ready for such
+      Linux distributions? I do not mean any technical skills, no user
+      is supposed to learn how to create scripts and configure things by
+      editing config files any more. But I often see that users lack the
+      mindset, the way of thinking which is required by administrating
+      your own *nix system. One nice example was the KDE switch to 4.x
+      which Trio3b described as fiasco. But was this fiasco not really
+      caused by the users demand for "the latest" although KDE stated
+      that 4.0 (and a few following versions) were not for userland?
+      With the proper mindset users without development skills would
+      have stayed away from KDE 4 until it was declared as
+      "userland-ready", which was with 4.2 [1]. This is just one example
+      but could also be ported to other "fiascos".<br>
+      <br>
+      As often said, Linux is a system which forces the user to be a
+      sysadmin as well - but as a sysadmin you think different than a
+      user does. IMHO this is one point which is not communicated enough
+      to the user. Of course, marketing would have a fit seeing the
+      question "Are you ready to be a sysadmin?" all over the portal
+      site of our Linux distribution. But isn't this really the question
+      here when we talk about backports, updates, rolling releases and
+      all the rest? These are expressions and tasks for a sysadmin, not
+      a user. <br>
+      <br>
+      In business we do have IT departments and sysadmins who care for
+      those things - your average Dilbert in his cubicle is not supposed
+      to care for updates. But for the user at home we see this dual
+      personality with the different mindsets to be a given fact. Is
+      that so?<br>
+      <br>
+      As you can see, I did not aim at a certain conclusion here, I just
+      let my thoughts roam free (could well be an expos&eacute; for a editor's
+      article). <br>
+      <br>
+      [1] Of course, for the real "fiasco" we have to blame a certain
+      distribution as well which could not wait to be "the first to
+      offer the new KDE!" and thus caused other distributions to follow.</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=82">magnus</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 19:26 I think the whole discussion is dominated by
+    "technical" users.<br>
+    I, as a simple user, need a stable, secure system where I can use my
+    applications.<br>
+    <br>
+    Gnome 2, 3, 4 ??? KDE 4.6, 4. 7, 5.0 ??? What does it matter.<br>
+    At the office a must use a system called xp, but for our 10.000
+    girls and boys it runs stable.<br>
+    That's it.<br>
+    <br>
+    I admit, this is a very simple view. <br>
+    But for me and a lot of users a very important criterion.<br>
+    I don`t believe this can provide a "rolling release" (in the
+    moment).<br>
+    <br>
+    So I prefer a a reasonable release cycle with enough time for the
+    development and the qa.<br>
+    For example, a new release every nine months brings me the new
+    developments, not just the latest. <br>
+    But I can also update my system with a clear conscience and without
+    great risks.<br>
+    <br>
+    The technicans can play with cauldron and the latest developments <img
+      src="cid:part1.02030200.07090201@free.fr" alt=";-)" title="Wink"><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=82">magnus</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 19:26 I think the whole discussion is dominated by
+    "technical" users.<br>
+    I, as a simple user, need a stable, secure system where I can use my
+    applications.<br>
+    <br>
+    Gnome 2, 3, 4 ??? KDE 4.6, 4. 7, 5.0 ??? What does it matter.<br>
+    At the office a must use a system called xp, but for our 10.000
+    girls and boys it runs stable.<br>
+    That's it.<br>
+    <br>
+    I admit, this is a very simple view. <br>
+    But for me and a lot of users a very important criterion.<br>
+    I don`t believe this can provide a "rolling release" (in the
+    moment).<br>
+    <br>
+    So I prefer a a reasonable release cycle with enough time for the
+    development and the qa.<br>
+    For example, a new release every nine months brings me the new
+    developments, not just the latest. <br>
+    But I can also update my system with a clear conscience and without
+    great risks.<br>
+    <br>
+    The technicans can play with cauldron and the latest developments <img
+      src="cid:part1.02030200.07090201@free.fr" alt=";-)" title="Wink"><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=395">Trio3b</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 17:55
+    <div class="content">Must preface this reply by saying I am not a
+      coder, developer, packager. Just an end user. Long time MDV user
+      (ver. 10.0). I have tried almost every distro out there for fun
+      but on my main desktop I use MDV 2008.1KDE3.5.x and have stuck
+      with it b/c it is used for business.<br>
+      <br>
+      I have been tinkering with PCLOS for the past two years. It is
+      very easy to succumb to the "grass is greener" mindset and I too
+      have fallen into that trap with PCLOS. It really is a fine distro
+      (originally and to some extent still based on MDV) but have come
+      to the conclusion that for fun, upgrading/Updating is fine, but
+      for day to day business use it is not really an option. <br>
+      <br>
+      I understand that Mageia has little or no control over certain
+      elements of the IT landscape.Witness KDE fiasco with distro forums
+      full of problems, breaks, memory leaks, Plasma configuration
+      problems. I have experienced that with PCLOS being a rolling
+      distro so I have NOT migrated to it for business as of yet.<br>
+      <br>
+      I believe that a great deal of credibility can be given to
+      opensource if it can be seen to be stable and useable for long
+      periods of time in the business community. I haven't a clue about
+      the technical requirements in determining a release schedule but
+      can speak from a users standpoint and that is many small
+      businesses such as myself CAN NOT employ technology people. I
+      really enjoy installing and configuring linux OS on various
+      hardware but I have to be realistic and stand firm in the belief
+      that if one of my office crew is faced with a blank screen (as has
+      happened with recent PCLOS2011.6 test release), then the fun of
+      "fixing" it must take a back seat to getting on with work.<br>
+      <br>
+      It is mentioned that several releases can be maintained at the
+      same time. Can't a long term stable release be made to sync up
+      with new advances every couple years, with the long term user
+      UNDERSTANDING that a major reinstall will be necessary at the end
+      of that 2-3 yr . THAT IS INFINITELY preferable to an upgrade that
+      breaks something. <br>
+      <br>
+      Speaking of planning, when you KNOW you have to upgrade you will
+      have your work flow and backups planned. An upgrade that breaks a
+      system disrupts workflow and even if you have data backed up it
+      destroys confidence in the ability of the software to support
+      workflow.<br>
+      <br>
+      Workflow disruption is an enemy to running a business and constant
+      KDE4 upgrades have kept me from leaving KDE3.5.x <br>
+      <br>
+      Hope this helps some devs</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=395">Trio3b</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 17:55
+    <div class="content">Must preface this reply by saying I am not a
+      coder, developer, packager. Just an end user. Long time MDV user
+      (ver. 10.0). I have tried almost every distro out there for fun
+      but on my main desktop I use MDV 2008.1KDE3.5.x and have stuck
+      with it b/c it is used for business.<br>
+      <br>
+      I have been tinkering with PCLOS for the past two years. It is
+      very easy to succumb to the "grass is greener" mindset and I too
+      have fallen into that trap with PCLOS. It really is a fine distro
+      (originally and to some extent still based on MDV) but have come
+      to the conclusion that for fun, upgrading/Updating is fine, but
+      for day to day business use it is not really an option. <br>
+      <br>
+      I understand that Mageia has little or no control over certain
+      elements of the IT landscape.Witness KDE fiasco with distro forums
+      full of problems, breaks, memory leaks, Plasma configuration
+      problems. I have experienced that with PCLOS being a rolling
+      distro so I have NOT migrated to it for business as of yet.<br>
+      <br>
+      I believe that a great deal of credibility can be given to
+      opensource if it can be seen to be stable and useable for long
+      periods of time in the business community. I haven't a clue about
+      the technical requirements in determining a release schedule but
+      can speak from a users standpoint and that is many small
+      businesses such as myself CAN NOT employ technology people. I
+      really enjoy installing and configuring linux OS on various
+      hardware but I have to be realistic and stand firm in the belief
+      that if one of my office crew is faced with a blank screen (as has
+      happened with recent PCLOS2011.6 test release), then the fun of
+      "fixing" it must take a back seat to getting on with work.<br>
+      <br>
+      It is mentioned that several releases can be maintained at the
+      same time. Can't a long term stable release be made to sync up
+      with new advances every couple years, with the long term user
+      UNDERSTANDING that a major reinstall will be necessary at the end
+      of that 2-3 yr . THAT IS INFINITELY preferable to an upgrade that
+      breaks something. <br>
+      <br>
+      Speaking of planning, when you KNOW you have to upgrade you will
+      have your work flow and backups planned. An upgrade that breaks a
+      system disrupts workflow and even if you have data backed up it
+      destroys confidence in the ability of the software to support
+      workflow.<br>
+      <br>
+      Workflow disruption is an enemy to running a business and constant
+      KDE4 upgrades have kept me from leaving KDE3.5.x <br>
+      <br>
+      Hope this helps some devs</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=82">magnus</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 20:55
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>isadora wrote:</cite>Today i started adding the
+          cauldron-repositories, and did a first update to my
+          test-Mageia.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      Today I have done the same job.<br>
+      about 20 minutes - good internet connection and ssd <img
+        src="cid:part1.03000507.03000206@free.fr" alt=":)" title="Smile">
+      <br>
+      (In the past ELP had a song "Lucky man")<br>
+      <br>
+      one package has a missing signature<br>
+      <br>
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>isadora wrote:</cite>....... but you have to be
+          familiar with the command-line.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      I think for Cauldron is the command-line with "urpmi
+      --auto-update" the better way for updates</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=82">magnus</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 20:55
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>isadora wrote:</cite>Today i started adding the
+          cauldron-repositories, and did a first update to my
+          test-Mageia.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      Today I have done the same job.<br>
+      about 20 minutes - good internet connection and ssd <img
+        src="cid:part1.03000507.03000206@free.fr" alt=":)" title="Smile">
+      <br>
+      (In the past ELP had a song "Lucky man")<br>
+      <br>
+      one package has a missing signature<br>
+      <br>
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>isadora wrote:</cite>....... but you have to be
+          familiar with the command-line.</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      I think for Cauldron is the command-line with "urpmi
+      --auto-update" the better way for updates</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=77"
+        style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204);" class="username-coloured">wobo</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 18th, '11, 00:54
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>magnus wrote:</cite>(In the past ELP had a song
+          "Lucky man")</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      Most people forget that Lucky Man became worm fodder at the end of
+      the song.<br>
+      But you can always enter the Zeppelin and take the Stairway to
+      Heaven for spiritual healing... <img
+        src="cid:part1.05090606.00070405@free.fr" alt=":)" title="Smile"><br>
+      <br>
+      (...Clementine is now playing ELP's 4-Bridges-Suite)</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=77"
+        style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204);" class="username-coloured">wobo</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 18th, '11, 00:54
+    <div class="content">
+      <blockquote>
+        <div><cite>magnus wrote:</cite>(In the past ELP had a song
+          "Lucky man")</div>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      Most people forget that Lucky Man became worm fodder at the end of
+      the song.<br>
+      But you can always enter the Zeppelin and take the Stairway to
+      Heaven for spiritual healing... <img
+        src="cid:part1.05090606.00070405@free.fr" alt=":)" title="Smile"><br>
+      <br>
+      (...Clementine is now playing ELP's 4-Bridges-Suite)</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=90"
+        style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);" class="username-coloured">isadora</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 20:04
+    <div class="content">Must admit magnus is right about the difference
+      between "technical" and "regular"-users.<br>
+      Today i started adding the cauldron-repositories, and did a first
+      update to my test-Mageia.<br>
+      The first bunch of packages (about 40) went without a hassle
+      through MCC.<br>
+      But then MCC stopped functioning, and i had to change to konsole
+      to get in the other 600.<br>
+      Due to a sloppy internet-connection, i had to restart the
+      updating-process twice, and in the end i was missing four
+      packages.<br>
+      I managed to install them all in the end, but you have to be
+      familiar with the command-line.</div>
+    <span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span
+          style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128);"></span></span></span>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=90"
+        style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);" class="username-coloured">isadora</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 17th, '11, 20:04
+    <div class="content">Must admit magnus is right about the difference
+      between "technical" and "regular"-users.<br>
+      Today i started adding the cauldron-repositories, and did a first
+      update to my test-Mageia.<br>
+      The first bunch of packages (about 40) went without a hassle
+      through MCC.<br>
+      But then MCC stopped functioning, and i had to change to konsole
+      to get in the other 600.<br>
+      Due to a sloppy internet-connection, i had to restart the
+      updating-process twice, and in the end i was missing four
+      packages.<br>
+      I managed to install them all in the end, but you have to be
+      familiar with the command-line.</div>
+    <span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span
+          style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128);"></span></span></span>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=698">keksbaecker</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 18th, '11, 11:07
+    <div class="content">I am also just a simple end user and for me it
+      is more important to have a stable and running System than having
+      the the latest Desktop Environment installed.<br>
+      <br>
+      Personally I think a new release every nine months would be great
+      but I could also imagine a release every year if it is possible to
+      install a newer (even it is not the newest) version of e.g.
+      LibreOffice or Pidgin using the official Mageia repositories
+      instead of downloading it from their Homepage and maybe have to
+      compile myself (I tried once and failed)..</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    by <strong><a
+href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=698">keksbaecker</a></strong>
+    &raquo; Jun 18th, '11, 11:07
+    <div class="content">I am also just a simple end user and for me it
+      is more important to have a stable and running System than having
+      the the latest Desktop Environment installed.<br>
+      <br>
+      Personally I think a new release every nine months would be great
+      but I could also imagine a release every year if it is possible to
+      install a newer (even it is not the newest) version of e.g.
+      LibreOffice or Pidgin using the official Mageia repositories
+      instead of downloading it from their Homepage and maybe have to
+      compile myself (I tried once and failed)..</div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le dimanche 12 juin 2011 15:27:59, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Hello to everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m sure there&#39;s someone among you who wants to help Mageia but hasn&#39;t<br>
+&gt; found yet the good way to do it. Today is your lucky day, because there&#39;s<br>
+&gt; a job that&#39;s available and can be really useful and interesting:<br>
+&gt; coordinating the packagers mentoring program.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You know that one key point of success for Mageia is in the ability to<br>
+&gt; welcome new packagers. The better we will be at it, the better the distro<br>
+&gt; will be. The packagers mentoring program has been created for that reason<br>
+&gt; and several packagers have been or are being mentored. But we have some<br>
+&gt; difficulty knowing who is being mentored by who and who hasn&#39;t found a<br>
+&gt; mentor. And we need also to find more mentors and more apprentices.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; During a packagers weekly meeting, misc invited us to read the following<br>
+&gt; article about mentoring programs in open-source projects:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/" target="_blank">http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I invite those who haven&#39;t read it yet, to read it. I&#39;ll quote one of the<br>
+&gt; mentoring best practices that were given: &quot;In bigger projects, keeping<br>
+&gt; track of who is a mentor, and who is mentoring who, and inviting new<br>
+&gt; mentors, and ensuring that no-one falls through the cracks when a mentor<br>
+&gt; gets too busy, is a job of itself.&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m looking for someone who could fill that &quot;job&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Description of the job:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - keep track of:<br>
+&gt; -- who&#39;s being mentored by who, how well it&#39;s going<br>
+&gt; -- who needs a mentor and hasn&#39;t found one yet (this is one of the most<br>
+&gt; important parts: no volunteer must be forgotten, volunteers are too<br>
+&gt; precious !)<br>
+&gt; -- who can mentor more apprentices (and sometimes convince packagers to<br>
+&gt; become mentors or accept one more apprentice)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - be available for questions from apprentices or mentors, by mail, and if<br>
+&gt; possible, to be present on the IRC channel #mageia-mentoring on freenode<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - help mentors with gathering &quot;junior tasks&quot; (bugzilla is a never empty<br>
+&gt; reserve that can be used for that. Maybe ask the bug triage team to help<br>
+&gt; identify such tasks. Maybe a &quot;junior task&quot; keyword in bugzilla would do the<br>
+&gt; trick)<br>
+&gt; -- small bugs to fix<br>
+&gt; -- new small packages to import in the distribution<br>
+&gt; -- backports<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - promote mentoring (empower users into contributers. Working with the<br>
+&gt; marketing team would be great I think):<br>
+&gt; -- make the mentoring program known (MLs, forums, web, etc.)<br>
+&gt; -- look for new apprentices<br>
+&gt; -- look for new mentors<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some useful skills:<br>
+&gt; - be autonomous (ie no need to check that you&#39;re doing the work)<br>
+&gt; - good written english (communication is very important in this job)<br>
+&gt; - knowledge about packaging is a plus but not mandatory (the key aspects<br>
+&gt; can be taught to you)<br>
+&gt; - being or having been a mentor, or having been mentored would be a plus,<br>
+&gt; but not mandatory<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; More information about the job:<br>
+&gt; - does not require a big amount of work, but real committment to the task<br>
+&gt; and regularity<br>
+&gt; - remember that you have a coordination role, not an authoritative role.<br>
+&gt; The difference in that is that you&#39;re not here to give orders but to<br>
+&gt; facilitate the mentoring program.<br>
+&gt; - you don&#39;t have to be alone to do this job if it&#39;s too much for one<br>
+&gt; person: you can find other helpful people wanting to help you if needed<br>
+&gt; and rely on the other teams (but finding them *is* part of your job ;) ).<br>
+&gt; -  this &quot;job offer&quot; concerns everything that revolves around the mentoring<br>
+&gt; of new packagers, but if it&#39;s successful maybe other teams can follow the<br>
+&gt; same approach (i18n, QA, etc... ).<br>
+&gt; -  depending on your level of confidence, experience and will, you could be<br>
+&gt; helped in your work. Maybe someone from the council can supervise and help<br>
+&gt; you at least at the beginning; or, if no one steps up, I can help you<br>
+&gt; bootstrap and organize your new &quot;job&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So, who&#39;s in?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Samuel Verschelde<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Hello to all,<br>
+<br>
+First, thanks to those to offered to help.<br>
+<br>
+We had 3 candidates, plus one who offered help whoever will be in charge. 2<br>
+candidates were retained (Kharec has too many duties already to take the job),<br>
+who I interviewed on IRC to try to see who would fit best.<br>
+<br>
+The 2 candidates were good, which complicated my task because I had to make a<br>
+choice, but I finally came to a decision : I propose andre999 as a mentoring<br>
+program coordinator (or facilitator, if you think it fits the job better).<br>
+<br>
+What made me choose him over Daniel Kreuter (whose candidacy was good, I<br>
+repeat it) is the fact he already showed interest in this subject before the<br>
+&quot;job offer&quot;, has been mentored (even if the mentoring has not been completed<br>
+for now), and I already had enough occasions to exchange with him in the past<br>
+to think that he will have the required communication skills and diplomacy to<br>
+do the job.<br>
+<br>
+Now, it doesn&#39;t mean he has to be alone, so I hope than magnus will help him,<br>
+for example to bring an IRC presence at hours where André is not available due<br>
+to his timezone, and if Daniel is still interested in helping for those tasks,<br>
+I&#39;m sure André will be glad to receive his help.<br>
+<br>
+If you have any questions or remarks, don&#39;t hesitate to comment.<br>
+<br>
+To ennael and misc : do you want to take part in the boostrapping of André&#39;s<br>
+work ? I think it could be good to avoid any misunderstandings and be sure we<br>
+set the good direction.<br>
+<br>
+Best regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Congratulation andre999 for the job. If you need my help feel free to ask me.<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le dimanche 12 juin 2011 15:27:59, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Hello to everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m sure there&#39;s someone among you who wants to help Mageia but hasn&#39;t<br>
+&gt; found yet the good way to do it. Today is your lucky day, because there&#39;s<br>
+&gt; a job that&#39;s available and can be really useful and interesting:<br>
+&gt; coordinating the packagers mentoring program.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You know that one key point of success for Mageia is in the ability to<br>
+&gt; welcome new packagers. The better we will be at it, the better the distro<br>
+&gt; will be. The packagers mentoring program has been created for that reason<br>
+&gt; and several packagers have been or are being mentored. But we have some<br>
+&gt; difficulty knowing who is being mentored by who and who hasn&#39;t found a<br>
+&gt; mentor. And we need also to find more mentors and more apprentices.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; During a packagers weekly meeting, misc invited us to read the following<br>
+&gt; article about mentoring programs in open-source projects:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/" target="_blank">http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2011/05/31/effective-mentoring-programs/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I invite those who haven&#39;t read it yet, to read it. I&#39;ll quote one of the<br>
+&gt; mentoring best practices that were given: &quot;In bigger projects, keeping<br>
+&gt; track of who is a mentor, and who is mentoring who, and inviting new<br>
+&gt; mentors, and ensuring that no-one falls through the cracks when a mentor<br>
+&gt; gets too busy, is a job of itself.&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m looking for someone who could fill that &quot;job&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Description of the job:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - keep track of:<br>
+&gt; -- who&#39;s being mentored by who, how well it&#39;s going<br>
+&gt; -- who needs a mentor and hasn&#39;t found one yet (this is one of the most<br>
+&gt; important parts: no volunteer must be forgotten, volunteers are too<br>
+&gt; precious !)<br>
+&gt; -- who can mentor more apprentices (and sometimes convince packagers to<br>
+&gt; become mentors or accept one more apprentice)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - be available for questions from apprentices or mentors, by mail, and if<br>
+&gt; possible, to be present on the IRC channel #mageia-mentoring on freenode<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - help mentors with gathering &quot;junior tasks&quot; (bugzilla is a never empty<br>
+&gt; reserve that can be used for that. Maybe ask the bug triage team to help<br>
+&gt; identify such tasks. Maybe a &quot;junior task&quot; keyword in bugzilla would do the<br>
+&gt; trick)<br>
+&gt; -- small bugs to fix<br>
+&gt; -- new small packages to import in the distribution<br>
+&gt; -- backports<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - promote mentoring (empower users into contributers. Working with the<br>
+&gt; marketing team would be great I think):<br>
+&gt; -- make the mentoring program known (MLs, forums, web, etc.)<br>
+&gt; -- look for new apprentices<br>
+&gt; -- look for new mentors<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some useful skills:<br>
+&gt; - be autonomous (ie no need to check that you&#39;re doing the work)<br>
+&gt; - good written english (communication is very important in this job)<br>
+&gt; - knowledge about packaging is a plus but not mandatory (the key aspects<br>
+&gt; can be taught to you)<br>
+&gt; - being or having been a mentor, or having been mentored would be a plus,<br>
+&gt; but not mandatory<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; More information about the job:<br>
+&gt; - does not require a big amount of work, but real committment to the task<br>
+&gt; and regularity<br>
+&gt; - remember that you have a coordination role, not an authoritative role.<br>
+&gt; The difference in that is that you&#39;re not here to give orders but to<br>
+&gt; facilitate the mentoring program.<br>
+&gt; - you don&#39;t have to be alone to do this job if it&#39;s too much for one<br>
+&gt; person: you can find other helpful people wanting to help you if needed<br>
+&gt; and rely on the other teams (but finding them *is* part of your job ;) ).<br>
+&gt; -  this &quot;job offer&quot; concerns everything that revolves around the mentoring<br>
+&gt; of new packagers, but if it&#39;s successful maybe other teams can follow the<br>
+&gt; same approach (i18n, QA, etc... ).<br>
+&gt; -  depending on your level of confidence, experience and will, you could be<br>
+&gt; helped in your work. Maybe someone from the council can supervise and help<br>
+&gt; you at least at the beginning; or, if no one steps up, I can help you<br>
+&gt; bootstrap and organize your new &quot;job&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So, who&#39;s in?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Samuel Verschelde<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Hello to all,<br>
+<br>
+First, thanks to those to offered to help.<br>
+<br>
+We had 3 candidates, plus one who offered help whoever will be in charge. 2<br>
+candidates were retained (Kharec has too many duties already to take the job),<br>
+who I interviewed on IRC to try to see who would fit best.<br>
+<br>
+The 2 candidates were good, which complicated my task because I had to make a<br>
+choice, but I finally came to a decision : I propose andre999 as a mentoring<br>
+program coordinator (or facilitator, if you think it fits the job better).<br>
+<br>
+What made me choose him over Daniel Kreuter (whose candidacy was good, I<br>
+repeat it) is the fact he already showed interest in this subject before the<br>
+&quot;job offer&quot;, has been mentored (even if the mentoring has not been completed<br>
+for now), and I already had enough occasions to exchange with him in the past<br>
+to think that he will have the required communication skills and diplomacy to<br>
+do the job.<br>
+<br>
+Now, it doesn&#39;t mean he has to be alone, so I hope than magnus will help him,<br>
+for example to bring an IRC presence at hours where André is not available due<br>
+to his timezone, and if Daniel is still interested in helping for those tasks,<br>
+I&#39;m sure André will be glad to receive his help.<br>
+<br>
+If you have any questions or remarks, don&#39;t hesitate to comment.<br>
+<br>
+To ennael and misc : do you want to take part in the boostrapping of André&#39;s<br>
+work ? I think it could be good to avoid any misunderstandings and be sure we<br>
+set the good direction.<br>
+<br>
+Best regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Congratulation andre999 for the job. If you need my help feel free to ask me.<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+
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+<br><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Congratulation andre999 for the job from me too. <br><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">I think we will grow together to a good three-man band.</div>
+<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">The team gets the success.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><span class="hps" title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken">For the work and</span> <span class="hps" title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken">the trouble </span><span class="hps" title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken">the <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px; ">mentoring program coordinator</span> is</span> <span class="hps" title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken">responsible :-)</span></span></div>
+<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Magnus</div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
+<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
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+<br><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Congratulation andre999 for the job from me too. <br><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">I think we will grow together to a good three-man band.</div>
+<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">The team gets the success.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; "><span class="hps" title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken">For the work and</span> <span class="hps" title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken">the trouble </span><span class="hps" title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken">the <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px; ">mentoring program coordinator</span> is</span> <span class="hps" title="Zur Anzeige alternativer Übersetzungen klicken">responsible :-)</span></span></div>
+<div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Magnus</div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
+<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">andre999 &lt;andr55@laposte.net&gt; schrieb am 19.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Another thought about the amended freeze process.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Have you noticed how packagers sometimes set off an exchange of 10</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; or more emails in attempts to get a package into the release</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; during the freeze ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The packager wants to submit, but they can't because cauldron is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; frozen.  Maybe if only pre-release were frozen, but cauldron open,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; they would accept submitting to cauldron after only 1 or 2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; exchanges.  They would have the at least partial satisfaction of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; being able to submit their package (instead of waiting, and doing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; something else, probably elsewhere), and others would have been</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; releaved of the hassle of dealing with their repeated requests. I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; think that would be more motivating for the packager in question,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; as well as the others involved. And packagers would avoid wasting</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; both time and energy.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't know. I think most freeze push requests were due to the fact, that packagers wanted to have their baby in the release.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Because every packager knows, he only has to wait some days to submit it to Cauldron again.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So I don't think any packager would be any the happier by this solution.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have to agree with misc. It would only mean having more work.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">andre999 &lt;andr55@laposte.net&gt; schrieb am 19.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Another thought about the amended freeze process.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Have you noticed how packagers sometimes set off an exchange of 10</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; or more emails in attempts to get a package into the release</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; during the freeze ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The packager wants to submit, but they can't because cauldron is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; frozen.  Maybe if only pre-release were frozen, but cauldron open,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; they would accept submitting to cauldron after only 1 or 2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; exchanges.  They would have the at least partial satisfaction of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; being able to submit their package (instead of waiting, and doing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; something else, probably elsewhere), and others would have been</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; releaved of the hassle of dealing with their repeated requests. I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; think that would be more motivating for the packager in question,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; as well as the others involved. And packagers would avoid wasting</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; both time and energy.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't know. I think most freeze push requests were due to the fact, that packagers wanted to have their baby in the release.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Because every packager knows, he only has to wait some days to submit it to Cauldron again.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So I don't think any packager would be any the happier by this solution.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have to agree with misc. It would only mean having more work.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/19 Daniel Kreuter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">One suggestion would be to have a page on wiki where newcomers can put their name on if they seek for a mentor. </div></div></div></blockquote><div>I think a good way to start. Perhaps we can help, especially if a newcomer ask a mailing list.</div>
+<div>Ask her/him for his skills and preferences and give her/him some Mageia links for mentoring and packaging.</div><div>And then put it into the wiki.</div><div>So Mageia shows a fast response.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">But this can wait until the new wiki is online i think. </div></div></div></blockquote><div>ok</div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/19 Daniel Kreuter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">One suggestion would be to have a page on wiki where newcomers can put their name on if they seek for a mentor. </div></div></div></blockquote><div>I think a good way to start. Perhaps we can help, especially if a newcomer ask a mailing list.</div>
+<div>Ask her/him for his skills and preferences and give her/him some Mageia links for mentoring and packaging.</div><div>And then put it into the wiki.</div><div>So Mageia shows a fast response.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">But this can wait until the new wiki is online i think. </div></div></div></blockquote><div>ok</div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div></div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 19.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 18 June 2011 20:12, Mageia Team &lt;buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; [This is in an unofficial branch of UAE (the Ubiquitous Amiga</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Emulator) with the aim of bringing the features of WinUAE to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; non-Windows platforms such as Linux, Mac OS X and BeOS.]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; obgr_seneca &lt;obgr_seneca&gt; 2.3.2-1.gita2b6937.2.mga2:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; + Revision: 109474</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - cleaned spec file</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - removed buildroot tag</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - imported package p-uae</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Should this be in core?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In mdv such emulators usually ended in PLF...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The old e-uae was in contrib_release for years. The emulator itself does not contain any legally critical stuff.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You need a rom image to use it, that can't be packaged (and isn't) because of legal issues.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I see no problem having p-uae in core.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; schrieb am 19.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 18 June 2011 20:12, Mageia Team &lt;buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; [This is in an unofficial branch of UAE (the Ubiquitous Amiga</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Emulator) with the aim of bringing the features of WinUAE to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; non-Windows platforms such as Linux, Mac OS X and BeOS.]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; obgr_seneca &lt;obgr_seneca&gt; 2.3.2-1.gita2b6937.2.mga2:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; + Revision: 109474</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - cleaned spec file</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - removed buildroot tag</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - imported package p-uae</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Should this be in core?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In mdv such emulators usually ended in PLF...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The old e-uae was in contrib_release for years. The emulator itself does not contain any legally critical stuff.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You need a rom image to use it, that can't be packaged (and isn't) because of legal issues.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I see no problem having p-uae in core.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 3:44 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Daniel Kreuter a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net" target="_blank">stormi@laposte.net</a><br></div><div class="im">
+&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net" target="_blank">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+    Le dimanche 12 juin 2011 15:27:59, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+...<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+    The 2 candidates were good, which complicated my task because I had<br>
+    to make a<br>
+    choice, but I finally came to a decision : I propose andre999 as a<br>
+    mentoring<br>
+    program coordinator (or facilitator, if you think it fits the job<br>
+    better).<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+...<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+    Samuel Verschelde<br>
+<br>
+Congratulation andre999 for the job. If you need my help feel free to<br>
+ask me.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Thanks Daniel.  As Magnus suggested, I think we could make a good team of three :)<br>
+(With more welcome to join.)<br>
+<br>
+Particularly help with a presence on IRC, and any other input you would like to make.<br>
+I&#39;d like to make/refine and maintain a one-stop page in the wiki to coordinate the mentoring process, so suggestions would be more than welcome.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+--<div class="im"><br>
+Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>
+Greetings<br>
+<br>
+Daniel Kreuter<br>
+</div></blockquote><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thanks for the offer André. One suggestion would be to have a page on wiki where newcomers can put their name on if they seek for a mentor. But this can wait until the new wiki is online i think. As for now i only found a page where we can see our mentors and their apprentices, but no table of people who wait for a mentor.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 3:44 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Daniel Kreuter a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net" target="_blank">stormi@laposte.net</a><br></div><div class="im">
+&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net" target="_blank">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+    Le dimanche 12 juin 2011 15:27:59, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+...<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+    The 2 candidates were good, which complicated my task because I had<br>
+    to make a<br>
+    choice, but I finally came to a decision : I propose andre999 as a<br>
+    mentoring<br>
+    program coordinator (or facilitator, if you think it fits the job<br>
+    better).<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+...<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+    Samuel Verschelde<br>
+<br>
+Congratulation andre999 for the job. If you need my help feel free to<br>
+ask me.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Thanks Daniel.  As Magnus suggested, I think we could make a good team of three :)<br>
+(With more welcome to join.)<br>
+<br>
+Particularly help with a presence on IRC, and any other input you would like to make.<br>
+I&#39;d like to make/refine and maintain a one-stop page in the wiki to coordinate the mentoring process, so suggestions would be more than welcome.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+--<div class="im"><br>
+Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
+<br>
+Greetings<br>
+<br>
+Daniel Kreuter<br>
+</div></blockquote><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thanks for the offer André. One suggestion would be to have a page on wiki where newcomers can put their name on if they seek for a mentor. But this can wait until the new wiki is online i think. As for now i only found a page where we can see our mentors and their apprentices, but no table of people who wait for a mentor.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+I&#39;ve been on mostly Ubuntu for a couple of years<div>Mageia looks like my replacement</div><div>I like the community &amp; that it is on the redhat/fedora side of the street, without being in the pocket of a corporation, like Suse/Ubuntu</div>
+<div><br><div>I can do a few things</div><div>like follow specific instructions [copy n paste] on a terminal</div><div>modify a configuration file [ after saving a copy]</div><div>give detailed feedback for when a procedure breaks down</div>
+<div>I don&#39;t mind running a test build on a virtual box</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m about  to do a proper install of magi 1 on a </div><div>HP DC5000 SFF</div><div>2.3 ghz</div><div>1g ram</div><div><br></div></div>
+<div>Garthhh</div>
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+<div><br><div>I can do a few things</div><div>like follow specific instructions [copy n paste] on a terminal</div><div>modify a configuration file [ after saving a copy]</div><div>give detailed feedback for when a procedure breaks down</div>
+<div>I don&#39;t mind running a test build on a virtual box</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m about  to do a proper install of magi 1 on a </div><div>HP DC5000 SFF</div><div>2.3 ghz</div><div>1g ram</div><div><br></div></div>
+<div>Garthhh</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Garth Hoyman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gchoyman@gmail.com">gchoyman@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I&#39;ve been on mostly Ubuntu for a couple of years<div>Mageia looks like my replacement</div><div>I like the community &amp; that it is on the redhat/fedora side of the street, without being in the pocket of a corporation, like Suse/Ubuntu</div>
+
+<div><br><div>I can do a few things</div><div>like follow specific instructions [copy n paste] on a terminal</div><div>modify a configuration file [ after saving a copy]</div><div>give detailed feedback for when a procedure breaks down</div>
+
+<div>I don&#39;t mind running a test build on a virtual box</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m about  to do a proper install of magi 1 on a </div><div>HP DC5000 SFF</div><div>2.3 ghz</div><div>1g ram</div><div><br></div></div>
+
+<div>Garthhh</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Hello Garthhh,<br><br>starting with testing in a vm would be a good starting point. If you are interested in other parts you can look at our wiki for a specific group and ask the team you are interested in on irc or ml.<br>
+-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Garth Hoyman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gchoyman@gmail.com">gchoyman@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I&#39;ve been on mostly Ubuntu for a couple of years<div>Mageia looks like my replacement</div><div>I like the community &amp; that it is on the redhat/fedora side of the street, without being in the pocket of a corporation, like Suse/Ubuntu</div>
+
+<div><br><div>I can do a few things</div><div>like follow specific instructions [copy n paste] on a terminal</div><div>modify a configuration file [ after saving a copy]</div><div>give detailed feedback for when a procedure breaks down</div>
+
+<div>I don&#39;t mind running a test build on a virtual box</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m about  to do a proper install of magi 1 on a </div><div>HP DC5000 SFF</div><div>2.3 ghz</div><div>1g ram</div><div><br></div></div>
+
+<div>Garthhh</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Hello Garthhh,<br><br>starting with testing in a vm would be a good starting point. If you are interested in other parts you can look at our wiki for a specific group and ask the team you are interested in on irc or ml.<br>
+-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dick Gevers &lt;dvgevers@xs4all.nl&gt; schrieb am 22.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:28:18 +0200 (CEST), Mageia Team wrote about</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; [RPM]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cauldron tainted/release transcode-1.1.5-5.mga2.tainted:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;Name        : transcode                    Relocations: (not</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;relocatable) Version     : 1.1.5                            </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;Vendor: Mageia.Org Release     : 5.mga2.tainted               </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;Build Date: Wed Jun 22</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;This package is in PLF as it could violate some patents.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;obgr_seneca &lt;obgr_seneca&gt; 1.1.5-5.mga2:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;+ Revision: 112501</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;- added tainted to spec file</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Really in plf ? Or only in tainted repo?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oups!</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dick Gevers &lt;dvgevers@xs4all.nl&gt; schrieb am 22.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:28:18 +0200 (CEST), Mageia Team wrote about</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; [RPM]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cauldron tainted/release transcode-1.1.5-5.mga2.tainted:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;Name        : transcode                    Relocations: (not</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;relocatable) Version     : 1.1.5                            </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;Vendor: Mageia.Org Release     : 5.mga2.tainted               </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;Build Date: Wed Jun 22</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;This package is in PLF as it could violate some patents.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;obgr_seneca &lt;obgr_seneca&gt; 1.1.5-5.mga2:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;+ Revision: 112501</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;- added tainted to spec file</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Really in plf ? Or only in tainted repo?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oups!</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/22 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Folks,<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s not clear to me how things are going with mentoring and stuff, but here we go: I have made a few packages for Cauldron, and for the time being I&#39;ve established a personal tiny repo (32-bit only + SRPMs) with them, so they could be tested and updated.<br>
+
+<br>
+It all started with <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1659" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1659</a><br>
+<br>...<br>
+What should I do?<br>
+<br>
+Oh, of course, some people should test these packages, and some other people should inspect the .spec files and patches....<br>
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+R-C aka Beranger (with an acute accent on e)  <br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is welcome.</div><div>Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: </div>
+<div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a></div>
+<div>and</div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a></div><div><br></div><div>You can apply here on -dev ML looking for a mentor</div><div><br>
+</div><div>Also we have weekly meeting on IRC you can attend if you are around</div><div><br></div><div>Welcome on board (or in hell as you want)</div><div><br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/22 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Folks,<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s not clear to me how things are going with mentoring and stuff, but here we go: I have made a few packages for Cauldron, and for the time being I&#39;ve established a personal tiny repo (32-bit only + SRPMs) with them, so they could be tested and updated.<br>
+
+<br>
+It all started with <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1659" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1659</a><br>
+<br>...<br>
+What should I do?<br>
+<br>
+Oh, of course, some people should test these packages, and some other people should inspect the .spec files and patches....<br>
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+R-C aka Beranger (with an acute accent on e)  <br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is welcome.</div><div>Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: </div>
+<div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a></div>
+<div>and</div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a></div><div><br></div><div>You can apply here on -dev ML looking for a mentor</div><div><br>
+</div><div>Also we have weekly meeting on IRC you can attend if you are around</div><div><br></div><div>Welcome on board (or in hell as you want)</div><div><br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+
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+Very late mail but here are the topics for tonight&#39;s meeting on #mageia-dev at 19h UTC<div><br></div><div>- quick reminder about current brainstorms: release cycle, specs</div><div>- incoming ARM port</div><div>- review on secteam current work - reminder on QA needs</div>
+<div>- review on mentoring process</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Very late mail but here are the topics for tonight&#39;s meeting on #mageia-dev at 19h UTC<div><br></div><div>- quick reminder about current brainstorms: release cycle, specs</div><div>- incoming ARM port</div><div>- review on secteam current work - reminder on QA needs</div>
+<div>- review on mentoring process</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; (ii) myself be accepted as a contributor / package maintainer for Mandriva?<br>
+&gt;Mageia i guess :p<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>OMFG. (Although, to be frank, MDV&#39;s story is a sad one. Now whatever is important seems to need to be done by Dodonov, and mdv 2011&#39;s release is sliding, and sliding, and sliding... so much that there is a risk that Mageia 2 is released and Mandriva 2011 is still not ready!)<br>
+
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt;Welcome aboard, i do hope you can enjoy our open community :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Thanks, Angelo!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+R-C<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Hi,<br><br>also from me a welcome on board. If you are looking for a mentor don&#39;t hesitate. If you aren&#39;t able to find one tell me or andre999 and we try to help you out with that.<br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; (ii) myself be accepted as a contributor / package maintainer for Mandriva?<br>
+&gt;Mageia i guess :p<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>OMFG. (Although, to be frank, MDV&#39;s story is a sad one. Now whatever is important seems to need to be done by Dodonov, and mdv 2011&#39;s release is sliding, and sliding, and sliding... so much that there is a risk that Mageia 2 is released and Mandriva 2011 is still not ready!)<br>
+
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt;Welcome aboard, i do hope you can enjoy our open community :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Thanks, Angelo!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+R-C<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Hi,<br><br>also from me a welcome on board. If you are looking for a mentor don&#39;t hesitate. If you aren&#39;t able to find one tell me or andre999 and we try to help you out with that.<br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">hi, I have a compiler error in cauldron build system building scourge, which does not happen in my system (Mageia 1 i586).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">constants.cpp:749:6: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Please submit a full bug report,</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">with preprocessed source if appropriate.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">See &lt;http://bugs.mageia.org/&gt; for instructions.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I suppose it is a bug in gcc 4.6 . Should I fill a normal bug to mageia?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110622075842.philippem.valstar.30809/log/botcmd.1308730266.ecosse.log</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">hi, I have a compiler error in cauldron build system building scourge, which does not happen in my system (Mageia 1 i586).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">constants.cpp:749:6: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Please submit a full bug report,</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">with preprocessed source if appropriate.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">See &lt;http://bugs.mageia.org/&gt; for instructions.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I suppose it is a bug in gcc 4.6 . Should I fill a normal bug to mageia?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110622075842.philippem.valstar.30809/log/botcmd.1308730266.ecosse.log</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">hi, I have a compiler error in cauldron build system building scourge, which does not happen in my system (Mageia 1 i586).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">constants.cpp:749:6: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault</span></p>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Please submit a full bug report,</span></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">with preprocessed source if appropriate.</span></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">See &lt;http://bugs.mageia.org/&gt; for instructions.</span></pre>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I suppose it is a bug in gcc 4.6 . Should I fill a normal bug to mageia?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110622075842.philippem.valstar.30809/log/botcmd.1308730266.ecosse.log</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">hi, I have a compiler error in cauldron build system building scourge, which does not happen in my system (Mageia 1 i586).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">constants.cpp:749:6: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault</span></p>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Please submit a full bug report,</span></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">with preprocessed source if appropriate.</span></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">See &lt;http://bugs.mageia.org/&gt; for instructions.</span></pre>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I suppose it is a bug in gcc 4.6 . Should I fill a normal bug to mageia?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20110622075842.philippem.valstar.30809/log/botcmd.1308730266.ecosse.log</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/22 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: <br>
+&gt;<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a><br>
+&gt;<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a><br>
+&gt;<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a><br>
+&gt;and<br>
+&gt;<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>OK, thanks, je vais lire cela.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt;You can apply here on -dev ML looking for a mentor<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Can I assume I just did that, or should I state &quot;Hey, I am looking for a mentor!&quot;?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We can assume it I guess :)</div><div>Just shout it again during tonight&#39;s meeting</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; Also we have weekly meeting on IRC you can attend if you are around<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Uh, I suppose so. I never liked IRC in my whole life.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;Welcome on board (or in hell as you want)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Everything is hell nowadays.<br>
+<br>
+Thx,<br>
+<font color="#888888">R-C<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/22 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: <br>
+&gt;<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a><br>
+&gt;<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a><br>
+&gt;<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a><br>
+&gt;and<br>
+&gt;<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>OK, thanks, je vais lire cela.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt;You can apply here on -dev ML looking for a mentor<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Can I assume I just did that, or should I state &quot;Hey, I am looking for a mentor!&quot;?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We can assume it I guess :)</div><div>Just shout it again during tonight&#39;s meeting</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+&gt; Also we have weekly meeting on IRC you can attend if you are around<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Uh, I suppose so. I never liked IRC in my whole life.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;Welcome on board (or in hell as you want)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Everything is hell nowadays.<br>
+<br>
+Thx,<br>
+<font color="#888888">R-C<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>As annouced previously, ARM port is now available as a preview. You can test installing it on proper hardware or use qemu.</div><div><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/23/arm-port-preview">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/23/arm-port-preview</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>We will speak a bit more about it soon about policies and integration in build system and all our process soon. If you are interested in it please just ping here :)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>As annouced previously, ARM port is now available as a preview. You can test installing it on proper hardware or use qemu.</div><div><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/23/arm-port-preview">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/23/arm-port-preview</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>We will speak a bit more about it soon about policies and integration in build system and all our process soon. If you are interested in it please just ping here :)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM, atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5">Hi. I&#39;m following this threat from the very beginning. While reading,</div></div>
+i feel i&#39;m reading a Mandriva Cooker mailing list posts. As a<br>
+community distro, why Mageia developers still think like a Mandriva<br>
+employee? Why backports and why so many policies, like a commercial<br>
+enterprise distro? I mean, Mageia do not have paid developers to work<br>
+on packages all the time. Also Mageia do not have so many packagers<br>
+like Fedora or Ubuntu, So, why make so many things so hard?<br>
+<br>
+As wobo mentioned, people like latest and greatest software. I think,<br>
+except a few users will use unofficial 3rd party repos to get latest<br>
+software. While i was maintaining MVT (Mandriva Turkiye) repository,<br>
+our users asked for GNOME 2.32 while Mandriva have GNOME 2.30 on<br>
+official release.<br>
+<br>
+Personally i always hate the backports structure and policy. It<br>
+confuses minds. Why Mageia need a backports repo, i really do not<br>
+understand. Stability and bug free releases are of course a must. But<br>
+it needs developers dedicated to work, almost paid developers. If a<br>
+software do not related with core system, like vlc, it should included<br>
+updates repo. Let upstream fix bugs and security issues. If a packager<br>
+catchs a bug he should send a patch to upstream and wait for a new<br>
+release. Otherwise, it is not packaging it is coding, which many<br>
+potential packgers will avoid to contribute.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div> </div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>+1 I also see no usage of backports. I&#39;m someone quite new to Mandriva/Mageia so I wouldn&#39;t know what backports are for (Ubuntu has nothing like this, Fedora too) so why backport?</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Look at Debian and Arch Linux who haven&#39;t any paid developers but<br>
+community distros. Stable Debian releases provide software from a<br>
+century ago for the sake of stability. Arch provides latest software<br>
+including core system and occaionally have breakages. I think Mageia<br>
+should be between two of them. Release latest software in updates for<br>
+non core system and libs, keep core system stable. Remove this<br>
+backports thingy.<br>
+<br>
+My 2 cents...<br>
+</blockquote></div>This approach looks quite good, but the new software should be tested quite good so the system will not break. Sure core system won&#39;t break with this approach but what about the other software?<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM, atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div class="h5">Hi. I&#39;m following this threat from the very beginning. While reading,</div></div>
+i feel i&#39;m reading a Mandriva Cooker mailing list posts. As a<br>
+community distro, why Mageia developers still think like a Mandriva<br>
+employee? Why backports and why so many policies, like a commercial<br>
+enterprise distro? I mean, Mageia do not have paid developers to work<br>
+on packages all the time. Also Mageia do not have so many packagers<br>
+like Fedora or Ubuntu, So, why make so many things so hard?<br>
+<br>
+As wobo mentioned, people like latest and greatest software. I think,<br>
+except a few users will use unofficial 3rd party repos to get latest<br>
+software. While i was maintaining MVT (Mandriva Turkiye) repository,<br>
+our users asked for GNOME 2.32 while Mandriva have GNOME 2.30 on<br>
+official release.<br>
+<br>
+Personally i always hate the backports structure and policy. It<br>
+confuses minds. Why Mageia need a backports repo, i really do not<br>
+understand. Stability and bug free releases are of course a must. But<br>
+it needs developers dedicated to work, almost paid developers. If a<br>
+software do not related with core system, like vlc, it should included<br>
+updates repo. Let upstream fix bugs and security issues. If a packager<br>
+catchs a bug he should send a patch to upstream and wait for a new<br>
+release. Otherwise, it is not packaging it is coding, which many<br>
+potential packgers will avoid to contribute.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div> </div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>+1 I also see no usage of backports. I&#39;m someone quite new to Mandriva/Mageia so I wouldn&#39;t know what backports are for (Ubuntu has nothing like this, Fedora too) so why backport?</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Look at Debian and Arch Linux who haven&#39;t any paid developers but<br>
+community distros. Stable Debian releases provide software from a<br>
+century ago for the sake of stability. Arch provides latest software<br>
+including core system and occaionally have breakages. I think Mageia<br>
+should be between two of them. Release latest software in updates for<br>
+non core system and libs, keep core system stable. Remove this<br>
+backports thingy.<br>
+<br>
+My 2 cents...<br>
+</blockquote></div>This approach looks quite good, but the new software should be tested quite good so the system will not break. Sure core system won&#39;t break with this approach but what about the other software?<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:14 PM, magnus <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:magnus.mud@googlemail.com">magnus.mud@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2011/6/27 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skipercooker@gmail.com" target="_blank">skipercooker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Thank you for your quick answer. I will read these pages anytime soon and start trying on my side at first.<br></blockquote></div><div>de riens</div><div><br></div><div>Mageia is building a mentoring program/team  with andre999 as &quot;mentoring program coodinator&quot; helped by Daniel Kreuter.</div>
+
+<div>So things are growing.</div><div>Welcome and a good start.</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div> </div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hello Thomas,<br><br>nice that you like to join the packager team. You can also ask on irc if someone is able to mentor you (on #mageia-dev or #mageia-mentoring).<br><br>We will soon have a page on wiki where people can put his name on for seeking a mentor, too.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:14 PM, magnus <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:magnus.mud@googlemail.com">magnus.mud@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2011/6/27 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skipercooker@gmail.com" target="_blank">skipercooker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Thank you for your quick answer. I will read these pages anytime soon and start trying on my side at first.<br></blockquote></div><div>de riens</div><div><br></div><div>Mageia is building a mentoring program/team  with andre999 as &quot;mentoring program coodinator&quot; helped by Daniel Kreuter.</div>
+
+<div>So things are growing.</div><div>Welcome and a good start.</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div> </div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hello Thomas,<br><br>nice that you like to join the packager team. You can also ask on irc if someone is able to mentor you (on #mageia-dev or #mageia-mentoring).<br><br>We will soon have a page on wiki where people can put his name on for seeking a mentor, too.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/27 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skipercooker@gmail.com">skipercooker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Thank you for your quick answer. I will read these pages anytime soon and start trying on my side at first.<br></blockquote><div>de riens</div><div><br></div><div>Mageia is building a mentoring program/team  with andre999 as &quot;mentoring program coodinator&quot; helped by Daniel Kreuter.</div>
+<div>So things are growing.</div><div>Welcome and a good start.</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div> </div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/27 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skipercooker@gmail.com">skipercooker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Thank you for your quick answer. I will read these pages anytime soon and start trying on my side at first.<br></blockquote><div>de riens</div><div><br></div><div>Mageia is building a mentoring program/team  with andre999 as &quot;mentoring program coodinator&quot; helped by Daniel Kreuter.</div>
+<div>So things are growing.</div><div>Welcome and a good start.</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div> </div></div><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><font size="3"><br></font><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div id="yiv1646165298"><font size="3">We will soon have a page on wiki where people can put his name on for seeking a mentor, too.<br></font></div></div></div></blockquote><font size="3">Oh, is it not this one?</font></div><font size="3"><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_registered_people"><font>http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_registered_people</font></a></font><div><font size="3">It thought it was a list for people wanting to become packagers (although some people already are mga packagers), so
+ I've added my name there too.</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">I too said I need mentoring / I want to take care of some packages in mga.</font></div><div><font size="3">In the meantime, I am on my own: http://mageia.beranger.org/mageia/</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Cheers,</font></div><div><font size="3">R-C aka beranger</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="3"><br></font></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><font size="3"><br></font><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div id="yiv1646165298"><font size="3">We will soon have a page on wiki where people can put his name on for seeking a mentor, too.<br></font></div></div></div></blockquote><font size="3">Oh, is it not this one?</font></div><font size="3"><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_registered_people"><font>http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_registered_people</font></a></font><div><font size="3">It thought it was a list for people wanting to become packagers (although some people already are mga packagers), so
+ I've added my name there too.</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">I too said I need mentoring / I want to take care of some packages in mga.</font></div><div><font size="3">In the meantime, I am on my own: http://mageia.beranger.org/mageia/</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Cheers,</font></div><div><font size="3">R-C aka beranger</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="3"><br></font></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/27 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skipercooker@gmail.com">skipercooker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><div>Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is welcome.</div>
+<div>Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: </div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a></div>
+<div>and</div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a></div><div><br></div><div>You can apply here on -dev ML looking for a mentor</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Also there is a weekly meeting on IRC you can attend if you are around</div><div><br></div></span>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/27 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skipercooker@gmail.com">skipercooker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><div>Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is welcome.</div>
+<div>Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: </div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a></div>
+<div>and</div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a></div><div><br></div><div>You can apply here on -dev ML looking for a mentor</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Also there is a weekly meeting on IRC you can attend if you are around</div><div><br></div></span>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes 55-75% CPU.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which disappeared once I let kded4 live.)</div><div><br></div><div>Really, isn't anybody experiencing high CPU from kded4? <br></div><div><br></div><div>(This is making me crazy. Otherwise, I'll tell you some day about a bug/crash that was *accidentally* fixed by KDE 4.6.90.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>R-C aka beranger<br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes 55-75% CPU.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which disappeared once I let kded4 live.)</div><div><br></div><div>Really, isn't anybody experiencing high CPU from kded4? <br></div><div><br></div><div>(This is making me crazy. Otherwise, I'll tell you some day about a bug/crash that was *accidentally* fixed by KDE 4.6.90.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>R-C aka beranger<br></div></div></body></html>
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+%define	name	ZoneMinder
+%define version 1.24.4
+%define release %mkrel 1
+
+Summary:	ZoneMinder, the all-in one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+Name:		%{name}
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+URL:		http://www.zoneminder.com/
+Source0:	http://www2.zoneminder.com/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:         ZoneMinder-1.24.4-src.patch
+License:	GPLV2 or later
+Group:		Multimedia
+
+BuildRequires: automake
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}mysql-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}pcre-devel
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Tar)
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Zip)
+BuildRequires: perl(Date::Manip)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBD::mysql)
+BuildRequires: perl(Device::SerialPort)
+BuildRequires: perl(MIME::Lite)
+
+
+%description
+Welcome to ZoneMinder, the all-in-one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+A while back my garage was burgled and all my power tools were stolen! I realized shortly after that if I'd just had a camera overlooking the door then at least I'd have know exactly when and who did the dirty deed. And so ZoneMinder was born. It's still relatively new but hopefully it has developed into something that can be genuinely useful and prevent similar incidents or even perhaps bring some perpetrators to justice.
+PROPOSED ADDITION Most commercial "security systems" are designed as a monitoring system that also records. Recording quality can vary from bad to unusable, locating the relevant video can range from challenging to impractical, and exporting can often only be done with the manual present. ZoneMinder was designed primarily to record, and allow easy searches and exporting. Recordings are of the best possible quality, easy to filter and find, and simple to export using any system with a web browser. It also monitors.
+ZoneMinder is designed around a series of independent components that only function when necessary limiting any wasted resource and maximising the efficiency of your machine. A fairly ancient Pentium II PC should be able to track one camera per device at up to 25 frames per second with this dropping by half approximately for each additional camera on the same device. Additional cameras on other devices do not interact so can maintain this frame rate. Even monitoring several cameras still will not overload the CPU as frame processing is designed to synchronise with capture and not stall it.
+As well as being fast ZoneMinder is designed to be friendly and even more than that, actually useful. As well as the fast video interface core it also comes with a user friendly and comprehensive PHP based web interface allowing you to control and monitor your cameras from home, at work, on the road, or even a web enabled cell phone. It supports variable web capabilities based on available bandwidth. The web interface also allows you to view events that your cameras have captured and archive them or review them time and again, or delete the ones you no longer wish to keep. The web pages directly interact with the core daemons ensuring full co-operation at all times. ZoneMinder can even be installed as a system service ensuring it is right there if your computer has to reboot for any reason.
+The core of ZoneMinder is the capture and analysis of images and there is a highly configurable set of parameters that allow you to ensure that you can eliminate false positives whilst ensuring that anything you don't want to miss will be captured and saved. ZoneMinder allows you to define a set of 'zones' for each camera of varying sensitivity and functionality. This allows you to eliminate regions that you don't wish to track or define areas that will alarm if various thresholds are exceeded in conjunction with other zones.
+ZoneMinder is fresh off the keyboard and so comes with no warranty whatsoever, please try it, send your feedback and if you get anything useful out of it let me know.
+ZoneMinder is free but if you do get ZoneMinder up and running and find it useful then please feel free to visit http://www.zoneminder.com/donate.html where any donations will be appreciated and will help to fund future improvements to ZoneMinder. This would be especially relevant if you use ZoneMinder as part of your business, or to protect your property.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%patch0 -p0
+
+%build
+# remove ffmpeg compilation issue, see :
+# http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/FAQ#When_running_configure_I_am_getting_a_lot_of_messages_about_not_being_able_to_compile_the_ffmpeg_libraries
+export CPPFLAGS=-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
+OPTS=""
+%ifnarch %{ix86} x86_64
+    OPTS+=" --disable-crashtrace"
+%endif
+
+%configure2_5x --with-webdir=%{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/%{name}/www \
+               --with-cgidir=%{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/%{name}/cgi-bin \
+               --with-libarch=%{_lib} \
+               --with-mysql=%{_prefix}/lib/ \
+               --enable-mmap=yes \
+               --disable-debug \
+               --enable-mmap=no \
+               $OPTS
+
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+
+%postun
+[ $1 = 0 ] || exit 0
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_bindir/zma
+%_bindir/zmc
+%_bindir/zmf
+%_bindir/zmfix
+%_bindir/zms
+%_bindir/zmstreamer
+%_bindir/zmu
+
+
+
+%changelog
+* Wed Jun 29 2011 Vincent Hervieux <vincent.hervieux@gmail.com> 1.24.4-1.mga1
++ Revision: 520056
+- building ZoneMinder for Mageia
+
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+Hi All,<div><br></div><div>I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging rpms.</div><div><br></div><div>As I don&#39;t know what needs to be packed, I&#39;ve tried to make rpm for ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.</div><div><br></div><div>If any mentor could help me, or assign me something else to pack, I would be glad.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Vincent</div>
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+--- ./src/zm_rtsp.cpp.orig	2011-06-30 13:37:20.175609094 -0400
++++ ./src/zm_rtsp.cpp	2011-06-30 13:37:46.618610480 -0400
+@@ -311,7 +311,7 @@
+     }
+     catch( const Exception &e )
+     {
+-        Error( e.getMessage().c_str() );
++        Error( "%s", e.getMessage().c_str() );
+         return( -1 );
+     }
+ 
+--- ./src/zm_signal.cpp.orig	2011-06-30 13:44:42.850610241 -0400
++++ ./src/zm_signal.cpp	2011-06-30 13:48:02.785610651 -0400
+@@ -109,7 +109,7 @@
+ 	char **messages = backtrace_symbols( trace, trace_size );
+     if ( size_t offset = strcspn( messages[trace_size-1], " " ) )
+     {
+-        snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), messages[trace_size-1] );
++        snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), "%s", messages[trace_size-1] );
+         cmd_ptr += offset;
+     }
+     else
+@@ -123,7 +123,7 @@
+         cmd_ptr += snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), " %p", trace[i] );
+     }
+ 	Info( "Backtrace complete, please execute the following command for more information" );
+-    Info( cmd );
++    Info( "%s", cmd );
+ #endif // HAVE_DECL_BACKTRACE
+ #endif // ( HAVE_SIGINFO_T && HAVE_UCONTEXT_T ) || HAVE_STRUCT_SIGCONTEXT
+ #endif // ZM_NO_CRASHTRACE
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/544fd436/attachment-0003.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/544fd436/attachment-0003.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..81c37a9b8
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/544fd436/attachment-0003.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,92 @@
+%define	name	ZoneMinder
+%define version 1.24.4
+%define release %mkrel 1
+
+Summary:	ZoneMinder, the all-in one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+Name:		%{name}
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+URL:		http://www.zoneminder.com/
+Source0:	http://www2.zoneminder.com/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:         ZoneMinder-1.24.4-src.patch
+License:	GPLV2 or later
+Group:		Multimedia
+
+BuildRequires: automake
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}mysql-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}pcre-devel
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Tar)
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Zip)
+BuildRequires: perl(Date::Manip)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBD::mysql)
+BuildRequires: perl(Device::SerialPort)
+BuildRequires: perl(MIME::Lite)
+
+
+%description
+Welcome to ZoneMinder, the all-in-one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+A while back my garage was burgled and all my power tools were stolen! I realized shortly after that if I'd just had a camera overlooking the door then at least I'd have know exactly when and who did the dirty deed. And so ZoneMinder was born. It's still relatively new but hopefully it has developed into something that can be genuinely useful and prevent similar incidents or even perhaps bring some perpetrators to justice.
+PROPOSED ADDITION Most commercial "security systems" are designed as a monitoring system that also records. Recording quality can vary from bad to unusable, locating the relevant video can range from challenging to impractical, and exporting can often only be done with the manual present. ZoneMinder was designed primarily to record, and allow easy searches and exporting. Recordings are of the best possible quality, easy to filter and find, and simple to export using any system with a web browser. It also monitors.
+ZoneMinder is designed around a series of independent components that only function when necessary limiting any wasted resource and maximising the efficiency of your machine. A fairly ancient Pentium II PC should be able to track one camera per device at up to 25 frames per second with this dropping by half approximately for each additional camera on the same device. Additional cameras on other devices do not interact so can maintain this frame rate. Even monitoring several cameras still will not overload the CPU as frame processing is designed to synchronise with capture and not stall it.
+As well as being fast ZoneMinder is designed to be friendly and even more than that, actually useful. As well as the fast video interface core it also comes with a user friendly and comprehensive PHP based web interface allowing you to control and monitor your cameras from home, at work, on the road, or even a web enabled cell phone. It supports variable web capabilities based on available bandwidth. The web interface also allows you to view events that your cameras have captured and archive them or review them time and again, or delete the ones you no longer wish to keep. The web pages directly interact with the core daemons ensuring full co-operation at all times. ZoneMinder can even be installed as a system service ensuring it is right there if your computer has to reboot for any reason.
+The core of ZoneMinder is the capture and analysis of images and there is a highly configurable set of parameters that allow you to ensure that you can eliminate false positives whilst ensuring that anything you don't want to miss will be captured and saved. ZoneMinder allows you to define a set of 'zones' for each camera of varying sensitivity and functionality. This allows you to eliminate regions that you don't wish to track or define areas that will alarm if various thresholds are exceeded in conjunction with other zones.
+ZoneMinder is fresh off the keyboard and so comes with no warranty whatsoever, please try it, send your feedback and if you get anything useful out of it let me know.
+ZoneMinder is free but if you do get ZoneMinder up and running and find it useful then please feel free to visit http://www.zoneminder.com/donate.html where any donations will be appreciated and will help to fund future improvements to ZoneMinder. This would be especially relevant if you use ZoneMinder as part of your business, or to protect your property.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%patch0 -p0
+
+%build
+# remove ffmpeg compilation issue, see :
+# http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/FAQ#When_running_configure_I_am_getting_a_lot_of_messages_about_not_being_able_to_compile_the_ffmpeg_libraries
+export CPPFLAGS=-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
+OPTS=""
+%ifnarch %{ix86} x86_64
+    OPTS+=" --disable-crashtrace"
+%endif
+
+%configure2_5x --with-webdir=%{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/%{name}/www \
+               --with-cgidir=%{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/%{name}/cgi-bin \
+               --with-libarch=%{_lib} \
+               --with-mysql=%{_prefix}/lib/ \
+               --enable-mmap=yes \
+               --disable-debug \
+               --enable-mmap=no \
+               $OPTS
+
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+
+%postun
+[ $1 = 0 ] || exit 0
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%_bindir/zma
+%_bindir/zmc
+%_bindir/zmf
+%_bindir/zmfix
+%_bindir/zms
+%_bindir/zmstreamer
+%_bindir/zmu
+
+
+
+%changelog
+* Wed Jun 29 2011 Vincent Hervieux <vincent.hervieux@gmail.com> 1.24.4-1.mga1
++ Revision: 520056
+- building ZoneMinder for Mageia
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/544fd436/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/544fd436/attachment.bin
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+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/544fd436/attachment.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,31 @@
+--- ./src/zm_rtsp.cpp.orig	2011-06-30 13:37:20.175609094 -0400
++++ ./src/zm_rtsp.cpp	2011-06-30 13:37:46.618610480 -0400
+@@ -311,7 +311,7 @@
+     }
+     catch( const Exception &e )
+     {
+-        Error( e.getMessage().c_str() );
++        Error( "%s", e.getMessage().c_str() );
+         return( -1 );
+     }
+ 
+--- ./src/zm_signal.cpp.orig	2011-06-30 13:44:42.850610241 -0400
++++ ./src/zm_signal.cpp	2011-06-30 13:48:02.785610651 -0400
+@@ -109,7 +109,7 @@
+ 	char **messages = backtrace_symbols( trace, trace_size );
+     if ( size_t offset = strcspn( messages[trace_size-1], " " ) )
+     {
+-        snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), messages[trace_size-1] );
++        snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), "%s", messages[trace_size-1] );
+         cmd_ptr += offset;
+     }
+     else
+@@ -123,7 +123,7 @@
+         cmd_ptr += snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), " %p", trace[i] );
+     }
+ 	Info( "Backtrace complete, please execute the following command for more information" );
+-    Info( cmd );
++    Info( "%s", cmd );
+ #endif // HAVE_DECL_BACKTRACE
+ #endif // ( HAVE_SIGINFO_T && HAVE_UCONTEXT_T ) || HAVE_STRUCT_SIGCONTEXT
+ #endif // ZM_NO_CRASHTRACE
\ No newline at end of file
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+Hi All,<div><br></div><div>I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging rpms.</div><div><br></div><div>As I don&#39;t know what needs to be packed, I&#39;ve tried to make rpm for ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.</div><div><br></div><div>If any mentor could help me, or assign me something else to pack, I would be glad.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Vincent</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/c30d9597/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/c30d9597/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/30 Vincent <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vincent.hervieux@gmail.com" target="_blank">vincent.hervieux@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi All,<div><br></div><div>I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging rpms.</div><div><br></div><div>As I don&#39;t know what needs to be packed, I&#39;ve tried to make rpm for ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.</div><div><br></div><div>If any mentor could help me, or assign me something else to pack, I would be glad.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div></blockquote><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is welcome.</div>
+<div>Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: </div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a></div>
+<div>and</div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a></div><div><br></div><div>You can apply here on -dev ML looking for a mentor</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Also we have weekly meeting on IRC you can attend if you are around</div><div><br></div><div>Welcome on board (or in hell as you want)</div></div><div><br></div><div>At the moment we are organizing a mentoring team.</div>
+<div>Please have some patience.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br></div></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div></div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Vincent</div>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/c30d9597/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110630/c30d9597/attachment.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/30 Vincent <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vincent.hervieux@gmail.com" target="_blank">vincent.hervieux@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi All,<div><br></div><div>I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging rpms.</div><div><br></div><div>As I don&#39;t know what needs to be packed, I&#39;ve tried to make rpm for ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.</div><div><br></div><div>If any mentor could help me, or assign me something else to pack, I would be glad.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div></blockquote><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is welcome.</div>
+<div>Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: </div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a></div>
+<div>and</div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 204); ">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a></div><div><br></div><div>You can apply here on -dev ML looking for a mentor</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Also we have weekly meeting on IRC you can attend if you are around</div><div><br></div><div>Welcome on board (or in hell as you want)</div></div><div><br></div><div>At the moment we are organizing a mentoring team.</div>
+<div>Please have some patience.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br></div></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div></div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Vincent</div>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 19:34, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes 55-75% CPU.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which disappeared once I let kded4 live.)</div></div></div></blockquote>
+
+<div><br>The solution which worked most of the time for such issues in kde 4.6.xx was:<br>1. open a terminal<br>2. run killall plasma-desktop<br>3. plasma-desktop<br><br>the plasmoids and the desktop come back, and kded4 stops using that much CPU.<br>
+
+<br>Last time I looked what it was looking CPU at, it was caused by some run-away timer loop deep in kdelibs, but as those issues are quite random I haven&#39;t figured out what exactly causes this. <br clear="all"></div>
+
+</div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 19:34, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>This is making me crazy. After upgrading to KDE 4.6.90 (cauldron, of course), the bloody m*f*er kded4 (the worse idea in KDE4) constantly takes 55-75% CPU.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Of course, killing it is possible, but this affects the plasmoids. (E.g. it made me inadvertently filling an invalid bug report 1981, which disappeared once I let kded4 live.)</div></div></div></blockquote>
+
+<div><br>The solution which worked most of the time for such issues in kde 4.6.xx was:<br>1. open a terminal<br>2. run killall plasma-desktop<br>3. plasma-desktop<br><br>the plasmoids and the desktop come back, and kded4 stops using that much CPU.<br>
+
+<br>Last time I looked what it was looking CPU at, it was caused by some run-away timer loop deep in kdelibs, but as those issues are quite random I haven&#39;t figured out what exactly causes this. <br clear="all"></div>
+
+</div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 20:10, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; The solution which worked most of the time for such issues in kde 4.6.xx was:<br>
+&gt; 1. open a terminal<br>
+&gt; 2. run killall plasma-desktop<br>
+&gt; 3. plasma-desktop<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; the plasmoids and the desktop come back, and kded4 stops using that much CPU.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Last time I looked what it was looking CPU at, it was caused by some run-away timer loop<br>
+<br>
+&gt; deep in kdelibs, but as those issues are quite random I haven&#39;t figured out what exactly causes this.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Евгений, thank you, but this is not a solution.<br>
+<br>
+It is not a solution because, as soon as plasma-desktop is back, kded4 takes the same 55...75% CPU.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>This is a different issues from the one had in mind than, nevermind, I think you should wait from a proper fix from KDE for this :). <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 20:10, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; The solution which worked most of the time for such issues in kde 4.6.xx was:<br>
+&gt; 1. open a terminal<br>
+&gt; 2. run killall plasma-desktop<br>
+&gt; 3. plasma-desktop<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; the plasmoids and the desktop come back, and kded4 stops using that much CPU.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Last time I looked what it was looking CPU at, it was caused by some run-away timer loop<br>
+<br>
+&gt; deep in kdelibs, but as those issues are quite random I haven&#39;t figured out what exactly causes this.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Евгений, thank you, but this is not a solution.<br>
+<br>
+It is not a solution because, as soon as plasma-desktop is back, kded4 takes the same 55...75% CPU.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>This is a different issues from the one had in mind than, nevermind, I think you should wait from a proper fix from KDE for this :). <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><br></div><div>Please do not add new proposals on that page as it&#39;s coming after deadline. We will put priority on current one. A new wiki page will collect more ideas here:  <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</a></div>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ideas">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ideas</a></div><div>(thanks Stormi)</div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><br></div><div>Please do not add new proposals on that page as it&#39;s coming after deadline. We will put priority on current one. A new wiki page will collect more ideas here:  <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</a></div>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ideas">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ideas</a></div><div>(thanks Stormi)</div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+
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+%define name ZoneMinder
+%define version 1.24.4
+%define release %mkrel 1
+
+Summary:    ZoneMinder, the all-in one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+Name:       %{name}
+Version:    %{version}
+Release:    %{release}
+URL:        http://www.zoneminder.com/
+Source0:    http://www2.zoneminder.com/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:     ZoneMinder-1.24.4-src.patch
+License:    GPLv2+
+Group:      System Environment/Daemons
+# Need for configuration
+BuildRequires: automake
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}mysql-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}pcre-devel
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Tar)
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Zip)
+BuildRequires: perl(Date::Manip)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBD::mysql)
+BuildRequires: perl(Device::SerialPort)
+BuildRequires: perl(MIME::Lite)
+# if apache is not here, make install is failing:
+BuildRequires: apache
+# need for post 
+Requires(post): /sbin/chkconfig
+# need to run:
+Requires: php-mysql
+%description
+ZoneMinder, security camera monitoring solution.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%patch0 -p0
+
+%build
+# remove ffmpeg compilation issue, see :
+# http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/FAQ#When_running_configure_I_am_getting_a_lot_of_messages_about_not_being_able_to_compile_the_ffmpeg_libraries
+export CPPFLAGS=-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
+OPTS=""
+%ifnarch %{ix86} x86_64
+    OPTS+=" --disable-crashtrace"
+%endif
+
+%configure2_5x --with-webdir=/var/www/%{name} \
+               --with-cgidir=/var/cgi-bin/%{name} \
+               --with-libarch=%{_lib} \
+               --with-mysql=%{_prefix}/ \
+               --enable-mmap=no \
+               --disable-debug \
+               $OPTS
+
+%make
+
+%install
+install -d %{buildroot}%{_localstatedir}/run
+%makeinstall DESTDIR=%{buildroot}
+rm -fr %{buildroot}
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+# Add zoneminder to to rc.d
+/sbin/chkconfig --add zoneminder
+
+%postun
+#[ $1 = 0 ] || exit 0
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING README
+%_bindir/zma
+%_bindir/zmc
+%_bindir/zmf
+%_bindir/zmfix
+%_bindir/zms
+%_bindir/zmstreamer
+%_bindir/zmu
+
+
+
+%changelog
+* Wed Jun 29 2011 Vincent Hervieux <vincent.hervieux@gmail.com> 1.24.4-1.mga1
++ Revision: 520056
+- building ZoneMinder for Mageia
+
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+%define name ZoneMinder
+%define version 1.24.4
+%define release %mkrel 1
+
+Summary:    ZoneMinder, the all-in one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+Name:       %{name}
+Version:    %{version}
+Release:    %{release}
+URL:        http://www.zoneminder.com/
+Source0:    http://www2.zoneminder.com/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:     ZoneMinder-1.24.4-src.patch
+License:    GPLv2+
+Group:      System Environment/Daemons
+# Need for configuration
+BuildRequires: automake
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}mysql-devel
+BuildRequires: %{_lib}pcre-devel
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Tar)
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Zip)
+BuildRequires: perl(Date::Manip)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBD::mysql)
+BuildRequires: perl(Device::SerialPort)
+BuildRequires: perl(MIME::Lite)
+# if apache is not here, make install is failing:
+BuildRequires: apache
+# need for post 
+Requires(post): /sbin/chkconfig
+# need to run:
+Requires: php-mysql
+%description
+ZoneMinder, security camera monitoring solution.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%patch0 -p0
+
+%build
+# remove ffmpeg compilation issue, see :
+# http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/FAQ#When_running_configure_I_am_getting_a_lot_of_messages_about_not_being_able_to_compile_the_ffmpeg_libraries
+export CPPFLAGS=-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
+OPTS=""
+%ifnarch %{ix86} x86_64
+    OPTS+=" --disable-crashtrace"
+%endif
+
+%configure2_5x --with-webdir=/var/www/%{name} \
+               --with-cgidir=/var/cgi-bin/%{name} \
+               --with-libarch=%{_lib} \
+               --with-mysql=%{_prefix}/ \
+               --enable-mmap=no \
+               --disable-debug \
+               $OPTS
+
+%make
+
+%install
+install -d %{buildroot}%{_localstatedir}/run
+%makeinstall DESTDIR=%{buildroot}
+rm -fr %{buildroot}
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+# Add zoneminder to to rc.d
+/sbin/chkconfig --add zoneminder
+
+%postun
+#[ $1 = 0 ] || exit 0
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING README
+%_bindir/zma
+%_bindir/zmc
+%_bindir/zmf
+%_bindir/zmfix
+%_bindir/zms
+%_bindir/zmstreamer
+%_bindir/zmu
+
+
+
+%changelog
+* Wed Jun 29 2011 Vincent Hervieux <vincent.hervieux@gmail.com> 1.24.4-1.mga1
++ Revision: 520056
+- building ZoneMinder for Mageia
+
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+<p><br>
+Le 1 juil. 2011 08:44, &quot;Daniel Kreuter&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia,<br>
+&gt;&gt; we don&#39;t have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of<br>
+&gt;&gt; contributions, and it would be useful to packagers to have other<br>
+&gt;&gt; experiences, such as bug triaging and QA. So far, it seems everyone it<br>
+&gt;&gt; the team is taking such an approach.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Someone who is only a developer should also have experience with packaging.<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Maybe notin as an advanced packager but at least main policies what can help to have cleaner code for integration in distribution. Which make life easier for packager<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 1 juil. 2011 08:44, &quot;Daniel Kreuter&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Am 06/29/2011 11:27 PM, schrieb andre999:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Note that if someone shows an interest in getting involved with Mageia,<br>
+&gt;&gt; we don&#39;t have to focus only on packaging. We need all sorts of<br>
+&gt;&gt; contributions, and it would be useful to packagers to have other<br>
+&gt;&gt; experiences, such as bug triaging and QA. So far, it seems everyone it<br>
+&gt;&gt; the team is taking such an approach.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Someone who is only a developer should also have experience with packaging.<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Maybe notin as an advanced packager but at least main policies what can help to have cleaner code for integration in distribution. Which make life easier for packager<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/1 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Mine was doing this and I tried to stop it (I don&#39;t really know how to do this), so in the end I let it go. It has now stopped. Could it be that it is indexing all of your files? I know that I have 600 gigs of data, and, if KDE4 was trying to index all of these files (photos, music and larger LibreOffice files that it would take quite a while to index them.<br>
+
+<br>
+Maybe this is the problem? My CPU has returned to normal after a couple days of &quot;churning&quot;. I also never log-out of my system.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>I don&#39;t believe.</div><div>My installation has no data.</div><div><br></div><div>One core is using continuously 100% (with sometimes switching the core)</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div>
+<br></div><div><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/1 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Mine was doing this and I tried to stop it (I don&#39;t really know how to do this), so in the end I let it go. It has now stopped. Could it be that it is indexing all of your files? I know that I have 600 gigs of data, and, if KDE4 was trying to index all of these files (photos, music and larger LibreOffice files that it would take quite a while to index them.<br>
+
+<br>
+Maybe this is the problem? My CPU has returned to normal after a couple days of &quot;churning&quot;. I also never log-out of my system.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>I don&#39;t believe.</div><div>My installation has no data.</div><div><br></div><div>One core is using continuously 100% (with sometimes switching the core)</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div>
+<br></div><div><br></div></div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>As said during our last meeting, here is the review for proposed specifications on Mageia wiki. Comments are not about we will do or not (unless it was not reasonable) but:</div><div>- ask for more information when needed</div>
+<div>- give a minimal status</div><div>- ask for discussions when we are talking a very intrusive modification</div><div><br></div><div>So please have a look on this page: </div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</a></div>
+<div>especially on comments</div><div><br></div><div>Now we need to organize work for all this. As a proposal all specs will be reported in Bugzilla with a given target so that we can follow it  in coming months. You can start doing it if you are especially interested in one of them.t prio</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Please do not add new proposals on that page as it&#39;s coming after deadline. We will put priority on current one. A new wiki page will collect more ideas here:  <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</a></div>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><br></div><div>Of course as you cnan see all these proposals are implying packagers, QA but also artwork and marcom teams. Stay connected! :)</div><div>
+<br></div><div>If you want to comment these proposals please create one thread /proposal so that we can work on it properly. If you are interested in one of these, add your name on wiki.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div>
+<div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>As said during our last meeting, here is the review for proposed specifications on Mageia wiki. Comments are not about we will do or not (unless it was not reasonable) but:</div><div>- ask for more information when needed</div>
+<div>- give a minimal status</div><div>- ask for discussions when we are talking a very intrusive modification</div><div><br></div><div>So please have a look on this page: </div><div><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</a></div>
+<div>especially on comments</div><div><br></div><div>Now we need to organize work for all this. As a proposal all specs will be reported in Bugzilla with a given target so that we can follow it  in coming months. You can start doing it if you are especially interested in one of them.t prio</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Please do not add new proposals on that page as it&#39;s coming after deadline. We will put priority on current one. A new wiki page will collect more ideas here:  <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification</a></div>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><br></div><div>Of course as you cnan see all these proposals are implying packagers, QA but also artwork and marcom teams. Stay connected! :)</div><div>
+<br></div><div>If you want to comment these proposals please create one thread /proposal so that we can work on it properly. If you are interested in one of these, add your name on wiki.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div>
+<div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">It looks like the kded4 high-CPU is _not_ related to any of the following modules:<br><br>bluedevil<br>desktopnotifier<br>device_automounter<br>dnssdwatcher<br>favicons<br>freespacenotifier<br>keyboard<br>khotkeys<br>kmixd<br>ksvnd<br>ktimezoned<br>kwrited<br>networkstatus<br>obexftpdaemon<br>powerdevil<br>randrmonitor<br>remotedirnotify<br>solidautoeject<br>statusnotifierwatcher<br><br>I have used "qdbus org.kde.kded /kded unloadModule" to unload, one by one, each and every module, until "qdbus org.kde.kded /kded loadedModules" listed nothing.<br><br>So even with no loaded module, kded4 is taking too much CPU.<br><br>Is kded4 broken? How come there is no upstream report about kded4's high CPU usage?<br><br>I started to lose my confidence in the IQ of the Linux users...<br><br>R-C aka beranger<br><br></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">It looks like the kded4 high-CPU is _not_ related to any of the following modules:<br><br>bluedevil<br>desktopnotifier<br>device_automounter<br>dnssdwatcher<br>favicons<br>freespacenotifier<br>keyboard<br>khotkeys<br>kmixd<br>ksvnd<br>ktimezoned<br>kwrited<br>networkstatus<br>obexftpdaemon<br>powerdevil<br>randrmonitor<br>remotedirnotify<br>solidautoeject<br>statusnotifierwatcher<br><br>I have used "qdbus org.kde.kded /kded unloadModule" to unload, one by one, each and every module, until "qdbus org.kde.kded /kded loadedModules" listed nothing.<br><br>So even with no loaded module, kded4 is taking too much CPU.<br><br>Is kded4 broken? How come there is no upstream report about kded4's high CPU usage?<br><br>I started to lose my confidence in the IQ of the Linux users...<br><br>R-C aka beranger<br><br></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"></font>really? the "users"? i wonder what those "users" IQ have to do with KDE4 <br>taking too much CPU?<br><br></div></div></blockquote>The same users who are reaching the climax each and every time KDE releases a RC, yet they don't bother <br></div><div>(1) to understand what they're running;</div><div>(2) to report a bug.<br><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
+ font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">perhaps most users don't even care? with their quad and hexa-cored monsters...<br></div></div></blockquote>Therefore, they're stupid. They should be using OS X or smth.<br><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);
+ margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">get your priorities straight, man; you sound like you're the single most <br>important person in the universe, it pisses me off...<br><br></div></div></blockquote>The feeling is mutual. OTOH, this has nothing to do with the importance of anyone, but rather to release totally untested software. Judging by the totality of the bug reports collected by different distros since KDE 4.0, I'm afraid kded4 is one of the most unreliable (yet crucial) component of KDE4. Which, one more time, makes me question the judgment of some people (like aseigo).<br></div><div><br></div><div>R-C aka beranger</div><div><br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"></font>really? the "users"? i wonder what those "users" IQ have to do with KDE4 <br>taking too much CPU?<br><br></div></div></blockquote>The same users who are reaching the climax each and every time KDE releases a RC, yet they don't bother <br></div><div>(1) to understand what they're running;</div><div>(2) to report a bug.<br><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
+ font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">perhaps most users don't even care? with their quad and hexa-cored monsters...<br></div></div></blockquote>Therefore, they're stupid. They should be using OS X or smth.<br><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);
+ margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639857" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_4_130972265639859" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">get your priorities straight, man; you sound like you're the single most <br>important person in the universe, it pisses me off...<br><br></div></div></blockquote>The feeling is mutual. OTOH, this has nothing to do with the importance of anyone, but rather to release totally untested software. Judging by the totality of the bug reports collected by different distros since KDE 4.0, I'm afraid kded4 is one of the most unreliable (yet crucial) component of KDE4. Which, one more time, makes me question the judgment of some people (like aseigo).<br></div><div><br></div><div>R-C aka beranger</div><div><br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/4 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Monday, July 04, 2011 05:10:24 am Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:Same here, after installing ntrack, logging out and loggin in tagain the kde4</div></div>
+cpu sage went to 0 = zero<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Thomas<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>dito here 64-bit system</div><div><br></div><div>well done :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus </div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/4 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Monday, July 04, 2011 05:10:24 am Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:Same here, after installing ntrack, logging out and loggin in tagain the kde4</div></div>
+cpu sage went to 0 = zero<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Thomas<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>dito here 64-bit system</div><div><br></div><div>well done :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus </div></div><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_14_130977649849057" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_14_130977649849059" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;"></span></b></font>Not so fast! :(<br><br>It's nice that you are happy. But since last updates my windows do not<br>have any decorations (no border, no title bar, no chance to<br>close/minimize/maximize), konsole window does not get focus at all,<br>after reboot I see all decorations for a split second, then they<br>vanish from the screen, only the windows stay. Then after 10 seconds<br>the complete task bar of KDE
+ vanishes, such keybindings like Alt+F2 or<br>Ctrl+TAB do not work at all, etc.<br>Total failure at the moment. xsession_errors shows lots of errors, I<br>can not distinguish which is related.<br><br><br></div></div></blockquote>OUCH! wobo, the gods don't love you!</div><div>However, by no means can this be related to ntrack!</div><div><br></div><div>I have never encountered such a syndrome in KDE4, only in XFCE, but this can't be related.</div><div>Using a different user acct helps or it doesn't help?</div><div><br></div><div>R-C aka beranger</div><div><br><div class="yui_3_2_0_14_130977649849057" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_14_130977649849059" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_14_130977649849057" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_14_130977649849059" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;"></span></b></font>Not so fast! :(<br><br>It's nice that you are happy. But since last updates my windows do not<br>have any decorations (no border, no title bar, no chance to<br>close/minimize/maximize), konsole window does not get focus at all,<br>after reboot I see all decorations for a split second, then they<br>vanish from the screen, only the windows stay. Then after 10 seconds<br>the complete task bar of KDE
+ vanishes, such keybindings like Alt+F2 or<br>Ctrl+TAB do not work at all, etc.<br>Total failure at the moment. xsession_errors shows lots of errors, I<br>can not distinguish which is related.<br><br><br></div></div></blockquote>OUCH! wobo, the gods don't love you!</div><div>However, by no means can this be related to ntrack!</div><div><br></div><div>I have never encountered such a syndrome in KDE4, only in XFCE, but this can't be related.</div><div>Using a different user acct helps or it doesn't help?</div><div><br></div><div>R-C aka beranger</div><div><br><div class="yui_3_2_0_14_130977649849057" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_14_130977649849059" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 16:57, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Op maandag 04 juli 2011 20:31:41 schreef Dexter Morgan:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Maarten Vanraes<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; But skype was available for PWP, which i have.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; read again what misc wrote :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - a package was present in Mandriva 2010.1/2 ( and only in Mandriva, not<br>
+&gt; in 3rd party repository, not cooker )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; skype wasn&#39;t in main nor contrib<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>yes, again...<br>
+<br>
+it was in PWP (ie: the powerpack version? which _IS_ from mandriva? which had<br>
+a _restricted_ repository? _not_ 3rd party???<br>
+<br>
+i don&#39;t see where i&#39;m misreading anything here...<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Perhaps Anne could clarify it better than I, but I think that you are misreading the part that Powerpack is/was part of Mandriva distribution. Powerpack media is *not* part of Mandriva distribution, it is a separate 3rd-party media (which happens to come from same company, but it is not part of Mandriva distribution), with access allowed only to paying customers, which is not shared with the Mandriva distribution.<br>
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 16:57, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Op maandag 04 juli 2011 20:31:41 schreef Dexter Morgan:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Maarten Vanraes<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; But skype was available for PWP, which i have.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; read again what misc wrote :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - a package was present in Mandriva 2010.1/2 ( and only in Mandriva, not<br>
+&gt; in 3rd party repository, not cooker )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; skype wasn&#39;t in main nor contrib<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>yes, again...<br>
+<br>
+it was in PWP (ie: the powerpack version? which _IS_ from mandriva? which had<br>
+a _restricted_ repository? _not_ 3rd party???<br>
+<br>
+i don&#39;t see where i&#39;m misreading anything here...<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Perhaps Anne could clarify it better than I, but I think that you are misreading the part that Powerpack is/was part of Mandriva distribution. Powerpack media is *not* part of Mandriva distribution, it is a separate 3rd-party media (which happens to come from same company, but it is not part of Mandriva distribution), with access allowed only to paying customers, which is not shared with the Mandriva distribution.<br>
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 18:29, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+The problem I see with ppa is they lack basic quality control, they<br>
+often interfere with upgrade and when they break, people blame the<br>
+distribution. There is also non user friendly inter-ppa requires.<br>
+<br>
+So personally, I would rather try to ease the usage of iurt first ( wit<br>
+documentation , etc ) and let people host everything them self. Having<br>
+this on our servers would mean to most people we endorse the package,<br>
+and I think we shouldn&#39;t unless we are sure of the quality<br>
+( which usually mean &quot;adding rules that people will complain about until<br>
+they open 3rd party repository saying how much we are useless because we<br>
+couldn&#39;t provide &#39;foo&#39; rpm in a updated optimized version&quot; ).<br></blockquote><div><br>The only major problem with hosting iurt/jurt/whatever is that it requires either full repositories locally or very good network connection for everything, and - in both cases - tons of disk space..<br>
+
+<br>But yes, I got your point, and I agree with it. Perhaps instead of full &#39;PPAs&#39; it would be possible to have some sort of iurt-powered public repositories. For example, <a href="http://people.">http://people.</a>.../~user dirs with &#39;upload&#39; directory there, where someone could put src.rpms and they would be recompiled and stored in <a href="http://people.">http://people.</a>../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm} when done, with full hdlists.<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>But as for QA, yes, this is true. Probably the best solution for it was Meego&#39;s one, in the n800 era - when you install something from non-official repo it shows a window saying &#39;You are installing something that could break everything, so you are on your own, good luck&#39;. For install/update, perhaps it could be solved by adding some new installer/updater window which would check of enabled urpmi medias, and if there are any non-official one, it could show a warning or something like it as well.<br>
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 18:29, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+The problem I see with ppa is they lack basic quality control, they<br>
+often interfere with upgrade and when they break, people blame the<br>
+distribution. There is also non user friendly inter-ppa requires.<br>
+<br>
+So personally, I would rather try to ease the usage of iurt first ( wit<br>
+documentation , etc ) and let people host everything them self. Having<br>
+this on our servers would mean to most people we endorse the package,<br>
+and I think we shouldn&#39;t unless we are sure of the quality<br>
+( which usually mean &quot;adding rules that people will complain about until<br>
+they open 3rd party repository saying how much we are useless because we<br>
+couldn&#39;t provide &#39;foo&#39; rpm in a updated optimized version&quot; ).<br></blockquote><div><br>The only major problem with hosting iurt/jurt/whatever is that it requires either full repositories locally or very good network connection for everything, and - in both cases - tons of disk space..<br>
+
+<br>But yes, I got your point, and I agree with it. Perhaps instead of full &#39;PPAs&#39; it would be possible to have some sort of iurt-powered public repositories. For example, <a href="http://people.">http://people.</a>.../~user dirs with &#39;upload&#39; directory there, where someone could put src.rpms and they would be recompiled and stored in <a href="http://people.">http://people.</a>../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm} when done, with full hdlists.<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>But as for QA, yes, this is true. Probably the best solution for it was Meego&#39;s one, in the n800 era - when you install something from non-official repo it shows a window saying &#39;You are installing something that could break everything, so you are on your own, good luck&#39;. For install/update, perhaps it could be solved by adding some new installer/updater window which would check of enabled urpmi medias, and if there are any non-official one, it could show a warning or something like it as well.<br>
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+Hi folks,<br><br>don&#39;t know if it was discussed previously, but I could not find it in the archives.<br><br>Are there some plans for any kind of ppa-like repos in Mageia/BS? There are some cases where they could be useful. One special case which comes to mind is wayland packaging - I was discussing with Florian Hubold about it, and the trick about them is that:<br>
+
+ - they require latest xorg stuff from git<br> - they require latest mesa from git<br> - they require latest libxkbcommon from git<br> - they require latest pixman from git<br><br>and it is, well, madness to provide such versions in main repositories.<br>
+
+<br>However, it would be a nice case for providing them in some sort of private branch (like for example <a href="http://people.mageia.org/">people.mageia.org/</a>&lt;branch&gt;/ or something), using the same BS infrastructure (iurt/jurt) to compile them and generate hdlists automatically.<br>
+
+<br>I did some custom scripts to do this task, but before reinventing the wheel for either mandriva or mageia BS, perhaps there is something already planned in this sense...<br clear="all"><br>Cheers,<br><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br>
+
+<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+Hi folks,<br><br>don&#39;t know if it was discussed previously, but I could not find it in the archives.<br><br>Are there some plans for any kind of ppa-like repos in Mageia/BS? There are some cases where they could be useful. One special case which comes to mind is wayland packaging - I was discussing with Florian Hubold about it, and the trick about them is that:<br>
+
+ - they require latest xorg stuff from git<br> - they require latest mesa from git<br> - they require latest libxkbcommon from git<br> - they require latest pixman from git<br><br>and it is, well, madness to provide such versions in main repositories.<br>
+
+<br>However, it would be a nice case for providing them in some sort of private branch (like for example <a href="http://people.mageia.org/">people.mageia.org/</a>&lt;branch&gt;/ or something), using the same BS infrastructure (iurt/jurt) to compile them and generate hdlists automatically.<br>
+
+<br>I did some custom scripts to do this task, but before reinventing the wheel for either mandriva or mageia BS, perhaps there is something already planned in this sense...<br clear="all"><br>Cheers,<br><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br>
+
+<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>I suggest to obsolete the 4.6.4 versions of</div><div>task-kde4</div><div>task-kde4-minimal</div><div>task-kde4-debug</div><div>as to match the new package fragmentation of KDE 4.6.90.</div><div>(Just removing them orphans packages, and unorphaning them is annoying.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>I am already cursing the whole KDE f*ing team for the new fragmentation, because this affects *all* the packages that have</div><div>BuildRequires:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; kdegraphics4-devel</div><div>and I still don't know what the correct BuildRequires would be under 4.6.90.</div><div>(I am impatiently waiting for Win8, maybe this would alleviate my pains with Linux.)</div><div><br></div><div>R-C aka beranger</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>I suggest to obsolete the 4.6.4 versions of</div><div>task-kde4</div><div>task-kde4-minimal</div><div>task-kde4-debug</div><div>as to match the new package fragmentation of KDE 4.6.90.</div><div>(Just removing them orphans packages, and unorphaning them is annoying.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>I am already cursing the whole KDE f*ing team for the new fragmentation, because this affects *all* the packages that have</div><div>BuildRequires:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; kdegraphics4-devel</div><div>and I still don't know what the correct BuildRequires would be under 4.6.90.</div><div>(I am impatiently waiting for Win8, maybe this would alleviate my pains with Linux.)</div><div><br></div><div>R-C aka beranger</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 18:40, Cazzaniga Sandro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Le 07/07/2011 23:38, Eugeni Dodonov a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; But yes, I got your point, and I agree with it. Perhaps instead of full<br>
+&gt; &#39;PPAs&#39; it would be possible to have some sort of iurt-powered public<br>
+&gt; repositories. For example, <a href="http://people." target="_blank">http://people.</a>.../~user dirs with &#39;upload&#39;<br>
+&gt; directory there, where someone could put src.rpms and they would be<br>
+&gt; recompiled and stored in <a href="http://people." target="_blank">http://people.</a>../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm} when done,<br>
+&gt; with full hdlists.<br>
+</div>This solutions means more and more servers :/<br></blockquote><div><br>Or some smart scheduling, which would only recompile such packages when BS load is below 1 for example. <br></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br>
+
+<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 18:40, Cazzaniga Sandro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Le 07/07/2011 23:38, Eugeni Dodonov a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; But yes, I got your point, and I agree with it. Perhaps instead of full<br>
+&gt; &#39;PPAs&#39; it would be possible to have some sort of iurt-powered public<br>
+&gt; repositories. For example, <a href="http://people." target="_blank">http://people.</a>.../~user dirs with &#39;upload&#39;<br>
+&gt; directory there, where someone could put src.rpms and they would be<br>
+&gt; recompiled and stored in <a href="http://people." target="_blank">http://people.</a>../~user/{i586,x86_64,arm} when done,<br>
+&gt; with full hdlists.<br>
+</div>This solutions means more and more servers :/<br></blockquote><div><br>Or some smart scheduling, which would only recompile such packages when BS load is below 1 for example. <br></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br>
+
+<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_9_131005619629157" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_9_131005619629159" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Well MacOS X Lion is probably the way to go :)<br></div></div></blockquote>mikala, I would rather support anal rape than to pay a single cent to Apple!</div><div><br></div><div>R-C</div><div><br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_9_131005619629157" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="yui_3_2_0_9_131005619629159" style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Well MacOS X Lion is probably the way to go :)<br></div></div></blockquote>mikala, I would rather support anal rape than to pay a single cent to Apple!</div><div><br></div><div>R-C</div><div><br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 21:01, Stew Benedict <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stewbintn@gmail.com">stewbintn@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+There once was a project at Mandriva where each packager was to supposed to come up with a basic functionality test for his/her package(s), although I don&#39;t think it got much traction aside from those of us who were getting paid to work on the distro and whose manager made the tests a deliverable.<br>
+
+
+iirc there was even some automation framework so they they could be run by machine.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Are you talking about testcould by a chance? <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+
+There once was a project at Mandriva where each packager was to supposed to come up with a basic functionality test for his/her package(s), although I don&#39;t think it got much traction aside from those of us who were getting paid to work on the distro and whose manager made the tests a deliverable.<br>
+
+
+iirc there was even some automation framework so they they could be run by machine.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Are you talking about testcould by a chance? <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div>I&#39;m asking politely to have the latest version from <a href="ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/">ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/</a> released as an official Mageia-RPM in the repos.</div>
+
+<div> </div>
+<div>Is that possible?</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>I made a bugreport about it here: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1990">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1990</a></div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>Thank you for reading</div>
+<div>/Kristoffer</div>
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+<div>I&#39;m asking politely to have the latest version from <a href="ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/">ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/</a> released as an official Mageia-RPM in the repos.</div>
+
+<div> </div>
+<div>Is that possible?</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>I made a bugreport about it here: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1990">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1990</a></div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>Thank you for reading</div>
+<div>/Kristoffer</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:11, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an<br>
+interesting item: systemd<br>
+Bug report to follow discussion and history:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120</a><br>
+<br>
+We need points of view, the way we could integrate it if we decide to<br>
+go, planning (I guess it would need to start now to be full ready for<br>
+final release)<br>
+<br>
+Comments, proposals, shout ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing traditional sysvinit alternative.<br><br>It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services which use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which we discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never got to implement properly).<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:11, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Following discussion about technical specifications, here is an<br>
+interesting item: systemd<br>
+Bug report to follow discussion and history:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2120</a><br>
+<br>
+We need points of view, the way we could integrate it if we decide to<br>
+go, planning (I guess it would need to start now to be full ready for<br>
+final release)<br>
+<br>
+Comments, proposals, shout ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing traditional sysvinit alternative.<br><br>It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services which use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which we discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never got to implement properly).<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:38, Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On Tuesday 12 July 2011 09:15:18 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt; Comments, proposals, shout ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large<br>
+&gt; experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing<br>
+&gt; traditional sysvinit alternative.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>I don&#39;t have any objections ;o)<br>
+Also since you work alot on it , why do we have some systemd files in<br>
+initscripts ? (because i noticed that thoses files were moved  back to systemd<br>
+package)<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Each package is free to provide its .service files for systemd, they are not tied to any development libraries or headers and such. In case of initscripts, there are (were?) many mandriva-specifics tricks which used to run on startup via rc.sysinit and similar approaches, so initscripts package looked as the best place to put them at the time I think.<br>
+
+<br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:38, Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On Tuesday 12 July 2011 09:15:18 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt; Comments, proposals, shout ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a large<br>
+&gt; experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without killing<br>
+&gt; traditional sysvinit alternative.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>I don&#39;t have any objections ;o)<br>
+Also since you work alot on it , why do we have some systemd files in<br>
+initscripts ? (because i noticed that thoses files were moved  back to systemd<br>
+package)<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Each package is free to provide its .service files for systemd, they are not tied to any development libraries or headers and such. In case of initscripts, there are (were?) many mandriva-specifics tricks which used to run on startup via rc.sysinit and similar approaches, so initscripts package looked as the best place to put them at the time I think.<br>
+
+<br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:48, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a<br>
+&gt; large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without<br>
+&gt; killing traditional sysvinit alternative.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services<br>
+&gt; which use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which<br>
+&gt; we discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never<br>
+&gt; got to implement properly).<br>
+<br>
+</div>Massive +1 for systemd and massive +1 Eugeni wanting to help out! \o/<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ll try and help out in bits and bobs too, tho&#39; time is always a problem!<br></blockquote><div><br><div><br>Ok, some n00b questions arise from my 
+part, sorry if they seem too basic - I am only catching up with mga 
+style of development :).<br><br>Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions :).<br>
+
+<br>Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it? According 
+to &#39;mgarepo maintdb get udev&#39;, it has no maintainers, does anyone 
+objects if I grab/update it as well? <br>
+<br>Secondly, what should be the correct way of supporting systemd in a package? In Mandriva, I thought on adding a --with flag to enable/disable systemd, but in most cases it does (almost) nothing. All services which want to support systemd only need to place their files into /lib/systemd - and that&#39;s it. Should we support opting-out of systemd in specs? I believe fcrozat is having the same dilemma in SuSE now as well, and he settled on some common packaging macros.<br>
+
+<br>Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with %_sysconfig/rc.d/init.d/%{name} for example), with no extra subpackages or flags - or should all systemd-specific files go into %{name}-systemd package for example? What do you think?<br>
+
+<br>
+And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use systemd in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:<br>
+ - easy way, only having it packaged, but not 
+providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work 
+when kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way)<br>
+ - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit
+ conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit, 
+sysvinit goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the 
+most sane way to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for 
+testing<br>
+ - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its 
+goodies. This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander 
+style). This is how fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not 
+sure if it the best way.<br>
+<br>So, that&#39;s it for now from my part..<br><br>
+Opinions?<br clear="all">
+</div></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:48, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Eugeni Dodonov at 12/07/11 13:15 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; If nobody objects, I could help with that. Mandriva certainly gave a<br>
+&gt; large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without<br>
+&gt; killing traditional sysvinit alternative.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services<br>
+&gt; which use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which<br>
+&gt; we discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never<br>
+&gt; got to implement properly).<br>
+<br>
+</div>Massive +1 for systemd and massive +1 Eugeni wanting to help out! \o/<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ll try and help out in bits and bobs too, tho&#39; time is always a problem!<br></blockquote><div><br><div><br>Ok, some n00b questions arise from my 
+part, sorry if they seem too basic - I am only catching up with mga 
+style of development :).<br><br>Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions :).<br>
+
+<br>Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it? According 
+to &#39;mgarepo maintdb get udev&#39;, it has no maintainers, does anyone 
+objects if I grab/update it as well? <br>
+<br>Secondly, what should be the correct way of supporting systemd in a package? In Mandriva, I thought on adding a --with flag to enable/disable systemd, but in most cases it does (almost) nothing. All services which want to support systemd only need to place their files into /lib/systemd - and that&#39;s it. Should we support opting-out of systemd in specs? I believe fcrozat is having the same dilemma in SuSE now as well, and he settled on some common packaging macros.<br>
+
+<br>Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with %_sysconfig/rc.d/init.d/%{name} for example), with no extra subpackages or flags - or should all systemd-specific files go into %{name}-systemd package for example? What do you think?<br>
+
+<br>
+And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use systemd in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:<br>
+ - easy way, only having it packaged, but not 
+providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work 
+when kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way)<br>
+ - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit
+ conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit, 
+sysvinit goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the 
+most sane way to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for 
+testing<br>
+ - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its 
+goodies. This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander 
+style). This is how fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not 
+sure if it the best way.<br>
+<br>So, that&#39;s it for now from my part..<br><br>
+Opinions?<br clear="all">
+</div></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 22:47, Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><br><div><div>Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it? According 
+to &#39;mgarepo maintdb get udev&#39;, it has no maintainers, does anyone 
+objects if I grab/update it as well? <br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>(I forgot to mention that it is already up and running fine on my machine). <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 22:47, Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><br><div><div>Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it? According 
+to &#39;mgarepo maintdb get udev&#39;, it has no maintainers, does anyone 
+objects if I grab/update it as well? <br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>(I forgot to mention that it is already up and running fine on my machine). <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:30, nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hello.<br>
+<br>
+mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :<br>
+<br>
+$ mgarepo maintdb --help<br>
+Usage:<br>
+    Take maintainership of one package :<br>
+       mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]<br>
+<br>
+    Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :<br>
+       mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody<br>
+<br>
+    See who is maintainer of a package :<br>
+       mgarepo maintdb get [package]<br>
+<br>
+    See the list of all packages with their maintainer :<br>
+       mgarepo maintdb get<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>A bit hijacking the thread, but I have a quick question - would it be possible to have repsys on mageia?<br>
+<br>
+There is mgarepo on Mandriva for the ones willing to work with Mageia 
+repositories from Mandriva; is it too much to ask for the opposite? 
+(E.g., for the ones willing to work on Mandriva repos from Mageia)?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 19:30, nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hello.<br>
+<br>
+mgarepo version 1.9.11 adds maintdb command :<br>
+<br>
+$ mgarepo maintdb --help<br>
+Usage:<br>
+    Take maintainership of one package :<br>
+       mgarepo maintdb set [package] [login]<br>
+<br>
+    Remove yourself from maintainer of a package :<br>
+       mgarepo maintdb set [package] nobody<br>
+<br>
+    See who is maintainer of a package :<br>
+       mgarepo maintdb get [package]<br>
+<br>
+    See the list of all packages with their maintainer :<br>
+       mgarepo maintdb get<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>A bit hijacking the thread, but I have a quick question - would it be possible to have repsys on mageia?<br>
+<br>
+There is mgarepo on Mandriva for the ones willing to work with Mageia 
+repositories from Mandriva; is it too much to ask for the opposite? 
+(E.g., for the ones willing to work on Mandriva repos from Mageia)?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+# mgarepo(1) completion
+#
+#_cooker_packages()
+#{
+#	COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W '$(svn ls \
+#		svn+ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/packages/cooker \
+#		| sed -e "s|/$||" )' -- $cur ) )
+#}
+
+_mgarepo_actions()
+{
+	COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W 'co ci authoremail changed create del \
+		getspec getsrpm import maintdb putsrpm rpmlog submit \
+		switch sync upload \
+		 help' -- $cur ) )
+}
+
+_mgarepo()
+{
+	local cur prev command options i
+
+	COMPREPLY=()
+	cur=${COMP_WORDS[COMP_CWORD]}
+
+	if [[ $COMP_CWORD -eq 1 ]] ; then
+		_mgarepo_actions
+	else
+		prev=${COMP_WORDS[COMP_CWORD-1]}
+
+		case "$prev" in
+			-@(c|-config))
+				_filedir
+				return 0
+				;;
+		esac
+
+		command=${COMP_WORDS[1]}
+
+		if [[ "$cur" == -* ]]; then
+			# possible options for the command
+			case $command in
+				submit)
+					options="--define"
+					;;
+				sync)
+					options="--dry-run -c --download"
+					;;
+			esac
+			options="$options --help"
+			COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W "$options" -- $cur ) )
+		else
+			case $command in
+				help)
+					_mgarepo_actions
+					return 0
+					;;
+				import)
+					_filedir 'src.rpm'
+					return 0
+					;;
+				upload)
+					_filedir 'tar.gz|tar.bz2|tar.lzma|tar.xz|zip'
+					return 0
+					;;
+				del)
+					_filedir 'tar.gz|tar.bz2|tar.lzma|tar.xz|zip'
+					return 0
+					;;
+				@(sync|commit|ci))
+					_filedir -d
+					return 0
+					;;
+			esac
+		fi
+	fi
+
+}
+complete -F _mgarepo $filenames mgarepo 
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+# mgarepo(1) completion
+#
+#_cooker_packages()
+#{
+#	COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W '$(svn ls \
+#		svn+ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/packages/cooker \
+#		| sed -e "s|/$||" )' -- $cur ) )
+#}
+
+_mgarepo_actions()
+{
+	COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W 'co ci authoremail changed create del \
+		getspec getsrpm import maintdb putsrpm rpmlog submit \
+		switch sync upload \
+		 help' -- $cur ) )
+}
+
+_mgarepo()
+{
+	local cur prev command options i
+
+	COMPREPLY=()
+	cur=${COMP_WORDS[COMP_CWORD]}
+
+	if [[ $COMP_CWORD -eq 1 ]] ; then
+		_mgarepo_actions
+	else
+		prev=${COMP_WORDS[COMP_CWORD-1]}
+
+		case "$prev" in
+			-@(c|-config))
+				_filedir
+				return 0
+				;;
+		esac
+
+		command=${COMP_WORDS[1]}
+
+		if [[ "$cur" == -* ]]; then
+			# possible options for the command
+			case $command in
+				submit)
+					options="--define"
+					;;
+				sync)
+					options="--dry-run -c --download"
+					;;
+			esac
+			options="$options --help"
+			COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W "$options" -- $cur ) )
+		else
+			case $command in
+				help)
+					_mgarepo_actions
+					return 0
+					;;
+				import)
+					_filedir 'src.rpm'
+					return 0
+					;;
+				upload)
+					_filedir 'tar.gz|tar.bz2|tar.lzma|tar.xz|zip'
+					return 0
+					;;
+				del)
+					_filedir 'tar.gz|tar.bz2|tar.lzma|tar.xz|zip'
+					return 0
+					;;
+				@(sync|commit|ci))
+					_filedir -d
+					return 0
+					;;
+			esac
+		fi
+	fi
+
+}
+complete -F _mgarepo $filenames mgarepo 
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 06:25, Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?<br>
+According to &#39;mgarepo maintdb get udev&#39;, it has no maintainers, does anyone<br>
+objects if I grab/update it as well?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Since you volunteered, could you take a look at:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1454" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=1454</a><br>
+Hotplug works, coldplug doesn&#39;t, so I guess something goes wrong with udev. Updating packages to newer versions needs to be done and help with that is welcome, but we also need to fix reported problems.<br></blockquote>
+
+<div><br>I think that updating udev could fix it as well, there were many different changes all around..<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+Unrelated: AFAIK you are registered as maintainer of both system-config-printer and hplip in mandriva linux, maybe you want to apply <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/hplip/current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=106333&amp;r2=106663" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/<u></u>packages/cauldron/hplip/<u></u>current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=<u></u>106333&amp;r2=106663</a> there to fix an old bug which mageia inherited.<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br>Nope, I am not cups nor hplip maintainer, I had to give up on them because I don&#39;t have any printers around to do any testing at all :(.<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 06:25, Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Firstly, systemdrequires udev &gt;= 172, what is the policy to update it?<br>
+According to &#39;mgarepo maintdb get udev&#39;, it has no maintainers, does anyone<br>
+objects if I grab/update it as well?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Since you volunteered, could you take a look at:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1454" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=1454</a><br>
+Hotplug works, coldplug doesn&#39;t, so I guess something goes wrong with udev. Updating packages to newer versions needs to be done and help with that is welcome, but we also need to fix reported problems.<br></blockquote>
+
+<div><br>I think that updating udev could fix it as well, there were many different changes all around..<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+Unrelated: AFAIK you are registered as maintainer of both system-config-printer and hplip in mandriva linux, maybe you want to apply <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/hplip/current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=106333&amp;r2=106663" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/<u></u>packages/cauldron/hplip/<u></u>current/SPECS/hplip.spec?r1=<u></u>106333&amp;r2=106663</a> there to fix an old bug which mageia inherited.<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br>Nope, I am not cups nor hplip maintainer, I had to give up on them because I don&#39;t have any printers around to do any testing at all :(.<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:37, Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On Thursday 14 July 2011 20:08:17 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile<br>
+&gt; plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the<br>
+&gt; moment) so the network configuration is different among them.<br>
+</div>Well for cauldron nm-mdv is not available at all because nm 0.9 is quite<br>
+different than 0.8. From a fast look i guess it should not be too difficult to<br>
+adapt your patch starting from the fedora/redhat plugin .<br>
+Regarding a total switch to nm, if i&#39;m not wrong the most problematic part is<br>
+the installer integration.<br>
+Maybe it&#39;s possible to adapt our draktools to edit/drop files directly in<br>
+/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ if we&#39;re sticking with the native<br>
+plugin (keyfile).<br></blockquote><div><br>I actually vote for keyfile plugin, because it is most stable and upstream. NM-mdv would be the best solution if it would be incorporated upstream, but it still needs lots of work to get there.<br>
+
+<br>One big issue with NM only by default is the installation via boot.iso and similar methods, and also overall installation via network - while it is certainly possible to configure networkmanager from the console, it is by no means easy. This was not the case for Mandriva desktop, but I believe that it is one nice feature to have in Mageia. <br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:37, Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On Thursday 14 July 2011 20:08:17 Eugeni Dodonov wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile<br>
+&gt; plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the<br>
+&gt; moment) so the network configuration is different among them.<br>
+</div>Well for cauldron nm-mdv is not available at all because nm 0.9 is quite<br>
+different than 0.8. From a fast look i guess it should not be too difficult to<br>
+adapt your patch starting from the fedora/redhat plugin .<br>
+Regarding a total switch to nm, if i&#39;m not wrong the most problematic part is<br>
+the installer integration.<br>
+Maybe it&#39;s possible to adapt our draktools to edit/drop files directly in<br>
+/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ if we&#39;re sticking with the native<br>
+plugin (keyfile).<br></blockquote><div><br>I actually vote for keyfile plugin, because it is most stable and upstream. NM-mdv would be the best solution if it would be incorporated upstream, but it still needs lots of work to get there.<br>
+
+<br>One big issue with NM only by default is the installation via boot.iso and similar methods, and also overall installation via network - while it is certainly possible to configure networkmanager from the console, it is by no means easy. This was not the case for Mandriva desktop, but I believe that it is one nice feature to have in Mageia. <br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:04, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2011/7/14 JA Magallón &lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.<br>
+&gt;&gt; This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to<br>
+&gt;&gt; networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.<br>
+&gt;&gt; NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and<br>
+&gt;&gt; system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in<br>
+&gt;&gt; discussion ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let&#39;s hear Blino&#39;s opinion<br>
+&gt; :).<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>We can probably keep some compatibility (like the sysvinit/systemd<br>
+duality).<br></blockquote><div><br>This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the moment) so the network configuration is different among them.<br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:04, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2011/7/14 JA Magallón &lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.<br>
+&gt;&gt; This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to<br>
+&gt;&gt; networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.<br>
+&gt;&gt; NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and<br>
+&gt;&gt; system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in<br>
+&gt;&gt; discussion ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let&#39;s hear Blino&#39;s opinion<br>
+&gt; :).<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>We can probably keep some compatibility (like the sysvinit/systemd<br>
+duality).<br></blockquote><div><br>This is how they work now, except that in mageia networkmanager uses keyfile plugin instead of networkmanager-mdv (which is a bit outdated at the moment) so the network configuration is different among them.<br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">
+&gt; Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use<br>
+&gt; it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my<br>
+&gt; machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions :).<br>
+<br>
+</div>&gt;<br>Well, IMO (for what it matters) I&#39;m massive for using it ASAP!<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br><div>
+Ok, systemd 30 is in svn, and (apparently) working, at least on my machine.<br>
+<br>
+However, as I will have a limited Internet connection between tomorrow 
+and next week, I am not feeling that safe to send it to cooker. So if 
+someone (colin?) would be able to do some additional testing with it 
+before submitting, it would be great :).<br clear="all">
+</div></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:26, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">
+&gt; Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use<br>
+&gt; it now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my<br>
+&gt; machine, but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions :).<br>
+<br>
+</div>&gt;<br>Well, IMO (for what it matters) I&#39;m massive for using it ASAP!<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br><div>
+Ok, systemd 30 is in svn, and (apparently) working, at least on my machine.<br>
+<br>
+However, as I will have a limited Internet connection between tomorrow 
+and next week, I am not feeling that safe to send it to cooker. So if 
+someone (colin?) would be able to do some additional testing with it 
+before submitting, it would be great :).<br clear="all">
+</div></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:08, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall<br>
+sysvinit? Isn&#39;t it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for<br>
+/sbin/init?<br></blockquote><div><br>This is actually a great idea! A perfect candidate for update-alternatives, thanks, I haven&#39;t thought on that!  <br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 20:08, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+Option 2 seems good as well, but does it really have to uninstall<br>
+sysvinit? Isn&#39;t it enough to put some alternatives symlinks for<br>
+/sbin/init?<br></blockquote><div><br>This is actually a great idea! A perfect candidate for update-alternatives, thanks, I haven&#39;t thought on that!  <br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/14 JA Magallón <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.<br>
+This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to<br>
+networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.<br>
+NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and<br>
+system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.<br>
+Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in<br>
+discussion ?<br></blockquote><div><br>I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let&#39;s hear Blino&#39;s opinion :). <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/14 JA Magallón <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+As a side note, this reminds me of the mix of ifplugd and networkmanager.<br>
+This was a point I wanted to throw in MGA2 specs: migrate completely to<br>
+networkmanager and ditch net_applet and traditional network scripts.<br>
+NetworkManger is the only sane way where I can have 5 wifi setups and<br>
+system chooses the good one automagically, and connects on boot.<br>
+Do you think this is worth a separate thread, or there is no point in<br>
+discussion ?<br></blockquote><div><br>I am all up for networkmanager since 2009, but let&#39;s hear Blino&#39;s opinion :). <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/15 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hello.<br>
+<br> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No I agree.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+- For Cauldron:<br>
+  o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?<br>
+ <br></blockquote><div>I vote for that.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I think, as Angelo wrote, that the updates for mga1 should be increased, and that&#39;s why I&#39;ll start to help the QA team to test packages.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Thanks<br>Stblack<br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/15 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hello.<br>
+<br> - Any objections about offering it in mga1? <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No I agree.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+- For Cauldron:<br>
+  o Do we ship the 11 beta1 for both arch?<br>
+ <br></blockquote><div>I vote for that.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I think, as Angelo wrote, that the updates for mga1 should be increased, and that&#39;s why I&#39;ll start to help the QA team to test packages.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Thanks<br>Stblack<br>
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 21:53, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+Option 2 for Mageia 2, and option 3 for Mageia 3.<br>
+<br>
+People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least<br>
+), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in<br>
+the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded<br>
+system either.<br></blockquote><div><br>Ok, so we all agree :).<br><br>Actually, I&#39;d prefer to keep option 2 for mga2 onwards, and return to this discussion before mga3. On further thinking, there are some cases where initscripts could be preferred to systemd, so better not considering killing them at all.<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 21:53, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+Option 2 for Mageia 2, and option 3 for Mageia 3.<br>
+<br>
+People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least<br>
+), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in<br>
+the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded<br>
+system either.<br></blockquote><div><br>Ok, so we all agree :).<br><br>Actually, I&#39;d prefer to keep option 2 for mga2 onwards, and return to this discussion before mga3. On further thinking, there are some cases where initscripts could be preferred to systemd, so better not considering killing them at all.<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it&#39;s frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn&#39;t work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div>
+</div></div></blockquote><div>Where are the detailed error messages?</div><div><br></div><div>Everything else doesn&#39;t help.</div><div><br></div><div>Your posting is something for sysout class = Z</div><div><br></div><div>
+Magnus</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it&#39;s frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn&#39;t work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div>
+</div></div></blockquote><div>Where are the detailed error messages?</div><div><br></div><div>Everything else doesn&#39;t help.</div><div><br></div><div>Your posting is something for sysout class = Z</div><div><br></div><div>
+Magnus</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:47, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it&#39;s frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn&#39;t work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div>
+
+</div></div></blockquote><div><br>My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).<br>
+
+<br>So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:47, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it&#39;s frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn&#39;t work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div>
+
+</div></div></blockquote><div><br>My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).<br>
+
+<br>So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:13, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 2.19+<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; planned?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want  this is<br>
+&gt;&gt; i think the perfect time<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cool, I can help with that!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with<br>
+&gt; Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to<br>
+&gt; util-linux and update the spec?<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>i would prefer a rename, that way we keep the history in the SVN<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new package, mostly for 1 reason:<br> - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br>
+
+<br>Also, I&#39;ve disabled the loopAES patch which is hopelessly outdated and broken and only gets updated sometimes over past years. I think there are much better solutions now, and actually I think that we could drop it - but I did not wanted to take this decision without additional discussion.<br>
+
+<br>If we should keep it, it can be updated after a reasonable amount of work, but it will get broken again with a new util-linux release over and over again. So I&#39;d vote for dropping it.<br clear="all"><br>But besides that, util-linux 2.19.1 is there now, I&#39;ll try importing it today (but with 3g connections it is hard to make promises)..<br>
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:13, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 2.19+<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; planned?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want  this is<br>
+&gt;&gt; i think the perfect time<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cool, I can help with that!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with<br>
+&gt; Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to<br>
+&gt; util-linux and update the spec?<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>i would prefer a rename, that way we keep the history in the SVN<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new package, mostly for 1 reason:<br> - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br>
+
+<br>Also, I&#39;ve disabled the loopAES patch which is hopelessly outdated and broken and only gets updated sometimes over past years. I think there are much better solutions now, and actually I think that we could drop it - but I did not wanted to take this decision without additional discussion.<br>
+
+<br>If we should keep it, it can be updated after a reasonable amount of work, but it will get broken again with a new util-linux release over and over again. So I&#39;d vote for dropping it.<br clear="all"><br>But besides that, util-linux 2.19.1 is there now, I&#39;ll try importing it today (but with 3g connections it is hard to make promises)..<br>
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:09, Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org" target="_blank">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div>Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net" target="_blank">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new<br>
+&gt; package, mostly for 1 reason:<br>
+&gt;  - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for<br>
+&gt; mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch<br></blockquote></div></div><div><br>Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.<br><br>In any case, it is in svn now.<br clear="all"></div>
+
+</div></blockquote><div><br>And now it is in cauldron, please let me know if it breaks something. <br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:09, Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org" target="_blank">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div>Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net" target="_blank">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new<br>
+&gt; package, mostly for 1 reason:<br>
+&gt;  - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for<br>
+&gt; mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch<br></blockquote></div></div><div><br>Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.<br><br>In any case, it is in svn now.<br clear="all"></div>
+
+</div></blockquote><div><br>And now it is in cauldron, please let me know if it breaks something. <br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
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+Hi,<br><br>just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+ planned?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+Hi,<br><br>just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+ planned?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br>
+Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which was recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that you would update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your standards are _lower_ when comes to the kernel -- the most important component of all?!?!?<br>
+
+<br></blockquote><div>Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+R-C<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/55b0f4f6/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/55b0f4f6/attachment.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br>
+Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which was recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that you would update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your standards are _lower_ when comes to the kernel -- the most important component of all?!?!?<br>
+
+<br></blockquote><div>Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+R-C<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:58, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">&gt; My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work<br>
+&gt; (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate<br>
+<br>
+&gt; C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Eugeni, you must be lucky.<br>
+<br>
+At least, you don&#39;t have a bcm4311, I suppose.<br></blockquote><div><br>I have:<br><br>brcmsmac        : Broadcom Corporation|BCM43225 802.11b/g/n [NETWORK_OTHER] (rev: 01)<br><br>which is probably different then.<br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:58, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">&gt; My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work<br>
+&gt; (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate<br>
+<br>
+&gt; C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Eugeni, you must be lucky.<br>
+<br>
+At least, you don&#39;t have a bcm4311, I suppose.<br></blockquote><div><br>I have:<br><br>brcmsmac        : Broadcom Corporation|BCM43225 802.11b/g/n [NETWORK_OTHER] (rev: 01)<br><br>which is probably different then.<br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely</span><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">not.</span></blockquote><div>I cannot confirm, I&#39;m offline</div><div> Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+can anyone confirm?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>confirm</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888">magnus</font></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely</span><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">not.</span></blockquote><div>I cannot confirm, I&#39;m offline</div><div> Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+can anyone confirm?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>confirm</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888">magnus</font></div></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:06, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+I thought I would post this because very likely some other user are<br>
+experiencing this:<br>
+<br>
+Afte upgrading a guest system from mandriva 2010.2 or older to cooker or<br>
+Mageia, the system becomes very unresponsive after a random period or time (<br>
+just after boot up to 3 hours).<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I&#39;ve seen that, but just to confirm - the system was running kde, right?<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:06, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+I thought I would post this because very likely some other user are<br>
+experiencing this:<br>
+<br>
+Afte upgrading a guest system from mandriva 2010.2 or older to cooker or<br>
+Mageia, the system becomes very unresponsive after a random period or time (<br>
+just after boot up to 3 hours).<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I&#39;ve seen that, but just to confirm - the system was running kde, right?<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 22:35, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Grub 2 is also able to boot ext4 without trouble since several years. So<br>
+keeping grub 1 for a while doesn&#39;t make sense at all if this is related<br>
+to file system.<br>
+<br>
+And grub 2 also support reading grub 1 configuration file since<br>
+September 2010.<br></blockquote><div><br>Perhaps a stupid question, but does it works with our gfxboot and drakboot? <br></div></div><br>(I haven&#39;t tested it yet, but pcpa was a bit reluctant with it when I asked some weeks ago).<br clear="all">
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 22:35, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Grub 2 is also able to boot ext4 without trouble since several years. So<br>
+keeping grub 1 for a while doesn&#39;t make sense at all if this is related<br>
+to file system.<br>
+<br>
+And grub 2 also support reading grub 1 configuration file since<br>
+September 2010.<br></blockquote><div><br>Perhaps a stupid question, but does it works with our gfxboot and drakboot? <br></div></div><br>(I haven&#39;t tested it yet, but pcpa was a bit reluctant with it when I asked some weeks ago).<br clear="all">
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 22:26, Jeff Robins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I updated my system and it installed the latest kernel<br>
+(2.6.38.8-desktop).  When I rebooted the system it hung when starting<br>
+udev.  I shut down the system after 1 minute.<br></blockquote><div><br>If you boot without the &#39;splash=silent&#39; parameter to kernel, does it says where exactly it stops?<br><br>Also, it happens with the 3.0 kernel as well? <br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 22:26, Jeff Robins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+<br>
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I updated my system and it installed the latest kernel<br>
+(2.6.38.8-desktop).  When I rebooted the system it hung when starting<br>
+udev.  I shut down the system after 1 minute.<br></blockquote><div><br>If you boot without the &#39;splash=silent&#39; parameter to kernel, does it says where exactly it stops?<br><br>Also, it happens with the 3.0 kernel as well? <br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 17:05, Michael Altizer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:xiche@verizon.net">xiche@verizon.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 07/16/2011 03:53 PM, D.Morgan wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Oliver Burger<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...<br>
+<br>
+Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely<br>
+not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.<br>
+can anyone confirm?<br>
+<br>
+If yes, I&#39;d post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,<br>
+information would be needed?<br>
+<br>
+Oliver<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+see :<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=1266</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Yep, the workaround in the bug report fixes the issue.<br>
+<br>
+--- <a href="http://tools.pm" target="_blank">tools.pm</a>    2011-07-16 16:03:19.729969872 -0400<br>
++++ /usr/lib/libDrakX/network/<a href="http://tools.pm" target="_blank">tool<u></u>s.pm</a>  2011-07-16 16:00:55.702129467 -0400<br>
+@@ -263,7 +263,7 @@<br>
+<br>
+ sub get_routes() {<br>
+     my %routes;<br>
+-    foreach (cat_(&quot;/proc/net/route&quot;))  {<br>
++    foreach (sort {$b cmp $a} cat_(&quot;/proc/net/route&quot;))  {<br>
+        if (/^(\S+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)\s+([0-<u></u>9A-F]+)\s+[0-9A-F]+\s+\d+\s+\<u></u>d+\s+(\d+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)/) {<br>
+            if (defined $3) { $routes{$1}{gateway} = hex($3) ? host_hex_to_dotted($3) : $routes{$1}{network} }<br>
+            if (defined $2) { $routes{$1}{network} = host_hex_to_dotted($2) }<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>/proc/net/routes is a bit strange with 3.0+ kernels, I think that this patch is probably the best way to handle it at the moment.<br><br>On a side note, Blino, is there a need to parse its content with a regexp? All values there are tab-separated, so perhaps this &#39;if&#39; check could be much simplified with a split(), no?<br clear="all">
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 17:05, Michael Altizer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:xiche@verizon.net">xiche@verizon.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 07/16/2011 03:53 PM, D.Morgan wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Oliver Burger<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...<br>
+<br>
+Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely<br>
+not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.<br>
+can anyone confirm?<br>
+<br>
+If yes, I&#39;d post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,<br>
+information would be needed?<br>
+<br>
+Oliver<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+see :<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=1266</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Yep, the workaround in the bug report fixes the issue.<br>
+<br>
+--- <a href="http://tools.pm" target="_blank">tools.pm</a>    2011-07-16 16:03:19.729969872 -0400<br>
++++ /usr/lib/libDrakX/network/<a href="http://tools.pm" target="_blank">tool<u></u>s.pm</a>  2011-07-16 16:00:55.702129467 -0400<br>
+@@ -263,7 +263,7 @@<br>
+<br>
+ sub get_routes() {<br>
+     my %routes;<br>
+-    foreach (cat_(&quot;/proc/net/route&quot;))  {<br>
++    foreach (sort {$b cmp $a} cat_(&quot;/proc/net/route&quot;))  {<br>
+        if (/^(\S+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)\s+([0-<u></u>9A-F]+)\s+[0-9A-F]+\s+\d+\s+\<u></u>d+\s+(\d+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)/) {<br>
+            if (defined $3) { $routes{$1}{gateway} = hex($3) ? host_hex_to_dotted($3) : $routes{$1}{network} }<br>
+            if (defined $2) { $routes{$1}{network} = host_hex_to_dotted($2) }<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>/proc/net/routes is a bit strange with 3.0+ kernels, I think that this patch is probably the best way to handle it at the moment.<br><br>On a side note, Blino, is there a need to parse its content with a regexp? All values there are tab-separated, so perhaps this &#39;if&#39; check could be much simplified with a split(), no?<br clear="all">
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+&gt;Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but<br>
+<br>
+&gt;at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron<br>
+<br>
+KDE is the main reason I&#39;m using Cauldron.<br>
+<br>
+Since KDE 4.0.0, KDE is never &quot;good/stable enough&quot;, so it _always_ makes sense<br>
+to install all the RCs.<br>
+<br>
+(There are some DEs that are never &quot;stable enough&quot;. Or, when they are really<br>
+polished -- think KDE 3.5.10 or GNOME 2.32 --, there are some benevolent teams<br>
+of dictators who decide to jump to an unstable boat -- thinl KDE 4.0.0, GNOME 3.0.)<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve seen no betas here, only RCs (4.6.3 -&gt; 4.6.4 -&gt; 4.6.90 -&gt; 4.6.95). Fair enough.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Not in Mageia, yet... But Mandriva had e.g after 4.5.0 4.5.65, 4.5.67, 4.5.68. 4.5.71, 4.5.74 and so on - i.e. surely betas and IINM some alphas, too. So it surely is not so rare to have in development version as cooker/cauldron quite unstable versions.</div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888"><br>
+R-C<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+&gt;Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but<br>
+<br>
+&gt;at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron<br>
+<br>
+KDE is the main reason I&#39;m using Cauldron.<br>
+<br>
+Since KDE 4.0.0, KDE is never &quot;good/stable enough&quot;, so it _always_ makes sense<br>
+to install all the RCs.<br>
+<br>
+(There are some DEs that are never &quot;stable enough&quot;. Or, when they are really<br>
+polished -- think KDE 3.5.10 or GNOME 2.32 --, there are some benevolent teams<br>
+of dictators who decide to jump to an unstable boat -- thinl KDE 4.0.0, GNOME 3.0.)<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve seen no betas here, only RCs (4.6.3 -&gt; 4.6.4 -&gt; 4.6.90 -&gt; 4.6.95). Fair enough.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Not in Mageia, yet... But Mandriva had e.g after 4.5.0 4.5.65, 4.5.67, 4.5.68. 4.5.71, 4.5.74 and so on - i.e. surely betas and IINM some alphas, too. So it surely is not so rare to have in development version as cooker/cauldron quite unstable versions.</div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888"><br>
+R-C<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new<br>
+&gt; package, mostly for 1 reason:<br>
+&gt;  - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for<br>
+&gt; mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch<br></blockquote><div><br>Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.<br><br>In any case, it is in svn now.<br clear="all"></div></div><br>
+
+-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new<br>
+&gt; package, mostly for 1 reason:<br>
+&gt;  - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for<br>
+&gt; mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch<br></blockquote><div><br>Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.<br><br>In any case, it is in svn now.<br clear="all"></div></div><br>
+
+-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">yes, I can, but only because I&#39;ve edited menu.lst _manually_.</div>
+the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0 kernel.<br>
+and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel.<br>
+<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div>On my machine there isnt&#39;t this problem.</div><div>The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4</div><div>all automatically, without editing.</div><div> </div><div>
+so grub works normally.</div><div><br></div><div>magnus</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">yes, I can, but only because I&#39;ve edited menu.lst _manually_.</div>
+the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0 kernel.<br>
+and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel.<br>
+<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div>On my machine there isnt&#39;t this problem.</div><div>The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4</div><div>all automatically, without editing.</div><div> </div><div>
+so grub works normally.</div><div><br></div><div>magnus</div></div>
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+Crazy, with connected lan I have no connection and I cannot switch to wifi.<div><br></div><div>Without connected lan, the applet shows &quot;no connection&quot; but it lies</div>
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+Crazy, with connected lan I have no connection and I cannot switch to wifi.<div><br></div><div>Without connected lan, the applet shows &quot;no connection&quot; but it lies</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:37, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least<br>
+&gt; ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in<br>
+&gt; the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded<br>
+&gt; system either.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Do you have more details about the issues on arm/embedded?<br>
+How could it be worse than forking our dozens of shell scripts?<br></blockquote><div><br>I think that it is not the case - if no specific systemd .service files are there, systemd will gladly execute initscripts init scripts.<br>
+
+<br>Of course, there are always ordering issues, unexpected systemd-specific behavior (like accessing /dev/ being treated as service activation or such), but nothing unfixable as far as I know.<br></div></div><br>-- <br>
+Eugeni Dodonov<br>
+<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:37, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least<br>
+&gt; ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in<br>
+&gt; the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded<br>
+&gt; system either.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Do you have more details about the issues on arm/embedded?<br>
+How could it be worse than forking our dozens of shell scripts?<br></blockquote><div><br>I think that it is not the case - if no specific systemd .service files are there, systemd will gladly execute initscripts init scripts.<br>
+
+<br>Of course, there are always ordering issues, unexpected systemd-specific behavior (like accessing /dev/ being treated as service activation or such), but nothing unfixable as far as I know.<br></div></div><br>-- <br>
+Eugeni Dodonov<br>
+<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+<br>
+&gt; planned?<br>
+<br>
+</div>not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want  this is<br>
+i think the perfect time<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Cool, I can help with that!<br><br>What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to util-linux and update the spec?<br clear="all">
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov &lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+<br>
+&gt; planned?<br>
+<br>
+</div>not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want  this is<br>
+i think the perfect time<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Cool, I can help with that!<br><br>What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to util-linux and update the spec?<br clear="all">
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>tmb, I hate you.</div><div><br></div><div>making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.</div><div><br></div><div>there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is cauldron, but I'd still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a 2.6 kernel.</div><div><br></div><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div><div><br></div><div>reverting to 2.6.38.8-5 brought back the joy
+ (and the wireless internet).</div><div><br></div><div>but I suppose there won't be any update to the 2.6.38.8 kernel, right? even for an unstable thing like cauldron this is rather wrong, because 3.0.0 is not a released kernel as of yet. and a working kernel is a precondition to a working distro. <br></div><div><br></div><div>forcing an rc-something as the current kernel is... unbenevolent dictatorship.</div><div><br></div><div>yeah, I know, fedora rawhide and kubuntu 11.10 also have this 3.0.0-rc7-crap sort of thing. so you can't have the latest packages (including the latest kde) w/o having a broken kernel. sigh.</div><div><br></div><div>but my message stands. tmb, I hate you for pushing this kernel as a forced update via kernel-desktop-latest.</div><div><br></div><div>r-c aka beranger</div><div><br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>tmb, I hate you.</div><div><br></div><div>making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.</div><div><br></div><div>there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is cauldron, but I'd still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a 2.6 kernel.</div><div><br></div><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div><div><br></div><div>reverting to 2.6.38.8-5 brought back the joy
+ (and the wireless internet).</div><div><br></div><div>but I suppose there won't be any update to the 2.6.38.8 kernel, right? even for an unstable thing like cauldron this is rather wrong, because 3.0.0 is not a released kernel as of yet. and a working kernel is a precondition to a working distro. <br></div><div><br></div><div>forcing an rc-something as the current kernel is... unbenevolent dictatorship.</div><div><br></div><div>yeah, I know, fedora rawhide and kubuntu 11.10 also have this 3.0.0-rc7-crap sort of thing. so you can't have the latest packages (including the latest kde) w/o having a broken kernel. sigh.</div><div><br></div><div>but my message stands. tmb, I hate you for pushing this kernel as a forced update via kernel-desktop-latest.</div><div><br></div><div>r-c aka beranger</div><div><br></div></div></body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some breakages, but at least<br>
+(1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the previous one;<br>
+(2) don&#39;t force UNRELEASED kernels on me!<br></blockquote><div><br>This thread was certainly amused and very fruitful for at least my fortunes file, but may I suggest you to start using some other distribution or operating system which better satisfies your needs, and leave us, poor mortals, with Mandriva/Mageia stable/cooker/cauldron gnu/linux solutions - which work the way we love? :)<br>
+
+<br>They are imperfect, they have unreleased versions all the time, they have breakages, upgrades, updates, flaws, problems, design issues, and so on - but this is fine for us!<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+
+Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different one.<br></blockquote><div><br>And breaking a window is totally different as well, I agree :(. As well as breaking a leg for example, and breaking habits. And let us not forget that it is completely and if I might say, even oppository - to breaking a home run (all via <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break</a>)!<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+And no, I won&#39;t investigate anything, I&#39;ll not file any report on what it&#39;s not working with this kernel and my hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yep, I have already realized this, but thanks to confirming nonetheless :). <br>
+
+</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Regressions in kernels are the thing I hate the most in this world.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is certainly one of the cruelest and merciless things in the world, I must agree.. :(<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+ I&#39;ve experienced kernel regressions in the past every 6 months with each and every Ubuntu release -- and those were kernels supposed to be tested well-enough.<br></blockquote><div><br>Apparently they weren&#39;t. Let me apologize on behalf of Ubuntu developers and Linus Torvalds himself for not being proactive enough to make kernels work on your hardware, I believe that they will be really ashamed of themselves at the moment they&#39;ll read this. Sorry :(.<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+What I like in Linux is never the kernel.</blockquote><div><br>This seems to be apparently contradictory to some other phrases, but I have to agree - I like never kernel, for example, the 3.0 seems to be great (for me!)<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Never ever.</blockquote><div><br>World is soooo busy those days...<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+It&#39;s monolithic, impossible to be properly tested, and managed by a stupid fat arrogant guy called Linus.</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree, he will be even more ashamed of himself after reading this... :(<br><br></div>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The only kernels I loved were 1.2.13 and1.3.18.</blockquote><div><br>2.2.16 was pretty cool, and 2.4.1 with reiserfs was nice too, but yes, those new shiny trending things - even being a bit cool - are still among the most hated things, this is so very true :(. I have to confess that they must learn a thing or two from DOS - almost 30 years without a remote hole in default install, and working as stable and fast as possible since their first release!<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">After that, the kernel was just a nuisance -- like the government, the taxes, the Microsoft tax, etc.<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree with you, the governments, taxes, Microsoft and its tax are almost as bad as kernel regressions (mentioned above), but they are still are a far cry from those!<br><br>But once again, let me apologize for the Linux community, Free Software developers, Linus Torvalds himself and - of course - mr. <span class="st">Richard Matthew Stallman for not being proactive enough in their efforts to make GNU/Linux working on your computer in most flawless and perfect way. I believe they feel really achamed now and as a sign of my support for their cause, and due to my involvement in the open source community, I will mourn those tragic events today with a minute of silence on this mailing list (starting now).<br>
+
+</span></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+
+To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some breakages, but at least<br>
+(1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the previous one;<br>
+(2) don&#39;t force UNRELEASED kernels on me!<br></blockquote><div><br>This thread was certainly amused and very fruitful for at least my fortunes file, but may I suggest you to start using some other distribution or operating system which better satisfies your needs, and leave us, poor mortals, with Mandriva/Mageia stable/cooker/cauldron gnu/linux solutions - which work the way we love? :)<br>
+
+<br>They are imperfect, they have unreleased versions all the time, they have breakages, upgrades, updates, flaws, problems, design issues, and so on - but this is fine for us!<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+
+Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different one.<br></blockquote><div><br>And breaking a window is totally different as well, I agree :(. As well as breaking a leg for example, and breaking habits. And let us not forget that it is completely and if I might say, even oppository - to breaking a home run (all via <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break</a>)!<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+And no, I won&#39;t investigate anything, I&#39;ll not file any report on what it&#39;s not working with this kernel and my hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yep, I have already realized this, but thanks to confirming nonetheless :). <br>
+
+</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Regressions in kernels are the thing I hate the most in this world.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is certainly one of the cruelest and merciless things in the world, I must agree.. :(<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+ I&#39;ve experienced kernel regressions in the past every 6 months with each and every Ubuntu release -- and those were kernels supposed to be tested well-enough.<br></blockquote><div><br>Apparently they weren&#39;t. Let me apologize on behalf of Ubuntu developers and Linus Torvalds himself for not being proactive enough to make kernels work on your hardware, I believe that they will be really ashamed of themselves at the moment they&#39;ll read this. Sorry :(.<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+What I like in Linux is never the kernel.</blockquote><div><br>This seems to be apparently contradictory to some other phrases, but I have to agree - I like never kernel, for example, the 3.0 seems to be great (for me!)<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Never ever.</blockquote><div><br>World is soooo busy those days...<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+It&#39;s monolithic, impossible to be properly tested, and managed by a stupid fat arrogant guy called Linus.</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree, he will be even more ashamed of himself after reading this... :(<br><br></div>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The only kernels I loved were 1.2.13 and1.3.18.</blockquote><div><br>2.2.16 was pretty cool, and 2.4.1 with reiserfs was nice too, but yes, those new shiny trending things - even being a bit cool - are still among the most hated things, this is so very true :(. I have to confess that they must learn a thing or two from DOS - almost 30 years without a remote hole in default install, and working as stable and fast as possible since their first release!<br>
+
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">After that, the kernel was just a nuisance -- like the government, the taxes, the Microsoft tax, etc.<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree with you, the governments, taxes, Microsoft and its tax are almost as bad as kernel regressions (mentioned above), but they are still are a far cry from those!<br><br>But once again, let me apologize for the Linux community, Free Software developers, Linus Torvalds himself and - of course - mr. <span class="st">Richard Matthew Stallman for not being proactive enough in their efforts to make GNU/Linux working on your computer in most flawless and perfect way. I believe they feel really achamed now and as a sign of my support for their cause, and due to my involvement in the open source community, I will mourn those tragic events today with a minute of silence on this mailing list (starting now).<br>
+
+</span></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/17 Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Balcaen John wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sunday 17 July 2011 14:02:59 Christiaan Welvaart wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Orphan packages (without a src.rpm in the repository) should be removed<br>
+automatically after a few days, we have talked about this before. Maybe<br>
+you should file a bug report about it if there isn&#39;t any yet.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well i asked because urpmi allows me to choose between the 2 libgtk gir<br>
+packages so an user could choose the wrong package eventually.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+I guess obsoletes are needed for smooth upgrades of renamed packages</blockquote><div><br>Sorry,<br><br>forgot to write about the removal to -sysadm ML. AFAICS the old package is already removed.<br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/17 Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Balcaen John wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sunday 17 July 2011 14:02:59 Christiaan Welvaart wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Orphan packages (without a src.rpm in the repository) should be removed<br>
+automatically after a few days, we have talked about this before. Maybe<br>
+you should file a bug report about it if there isn&#39;t any yet.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well i asked because urpmi allows me to choose between the 2 libgtk gir<br>
+packages so an user could choose the wrong package eventually.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+I guess obsoletes are needed for smooth upgrades of renamed packages</blockquote><div><br>Sorry,<br><br>forgot to write about the removal to -sysadm ML. AFAICS the old package is already removed.<br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 22:01, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Le mardi 19 juillet 2011 à 02:04 +0200, Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; It&#39;s in the title !<br>
+&gt; The use of the Scale Invariant Feature Transform (SIFT) algorythm<br>
+&gt; allowing to find control points to build panorama with several pictures<br>
+&gt; is restricted by a US patent... this algorythm is the basis of<br>
+&gt; autopano-sift and autopano-sift-C !<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; hugin (a pano builder program) brings some patents problems with some of<br>
+&gt; its  tools : this one is an optional tool, and we can use hugin without<br>
+&gt; it... mostly since 2010.4 version of hugin which ships its own patent<br>
+&gt; free control point generator which is quite as good as autopano ;)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; the other rpm bringing patent problem is libpano13 (required by hugin) :<br>
+&gt; two versions exist yet for mageia:<br>
+&gt; - one in core repository with a limited field of view (160°) and giving<br>
+&gt; this limit to hugin (no patent problem though !)<br>
+&gt; - one in tainted repository  without limitation (but infringing US and<br>
+&gt; Japan patents) allowing to build 360° panorama<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>What are the patents number ?<br></blockquote><div><br>I was under the impression that <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?vid=6711293">http://www.google.com/patents?vid=6711293</a> is related to it, but I am not sure.<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 22:01, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Le mardi 19 juillet 2011 à 02:04 +0200, Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; It&#39;s in the title !<br>
+&gt; The use of the Scale Invariant Feature Transform (SIFT) algorythm<br>
+&gt; allowing to find control points to build panorama with several pictures<br>
+&gt; is restricted by a US patent... this algorythm is the basis of<br>
+&gt; autopano-sift and autopano-sift-C !<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; hugin (a pano builder program) brings some patents problems with some of<br>
+&gt; its  tools : this one is an optional tool, and we can use hugin without<br>
+&gt; it... mostly since 2010.4 version of hugin which ships its own patent<br>
+&gt; free control point generator which is quite as good as autopano ;)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; the other rpm bringing patent problem is libpano13 (required by hugin) :<br>
+&gt; two versions exist yet for mageia:<br>
+&gt; - one in core repository with a limited field of view (160°) and giving<br>
+&gt; this limit to hugin (no patent problem though !)<br>
+&gt; - one in tainted repository  without limitation (but infringing US and<br>
+&gt; Japan patents) allowing to build 360° panorama<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>What are the patents number ?<br></blockquote><div><br>I was under the impression that <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?vid=6711293">http://www.google.com/patents?vid=6711293</a> is related to it, but I am not sure.<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to decrease</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; it: http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; anything you do for it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get this all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names all cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">then there is the <span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that doesn't build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get it fixed, but they take their time.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I would like some help:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">php-pear-channel-symfony</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says so ( and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the mirrors.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages, compared it to SUSE and all looks good.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thomas</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to decrease</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; it: http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; anything you do for it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get this all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names all cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">then there is the <span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that doesn't build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get it fixed, but they take their time.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I would like some help:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">php-pear-channel-symfony</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says so ( and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the mirrors.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages, compared it to SUSE and all looks good.</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thomas</p></body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/21 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 21 July 2011 05:50, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 08:21:40 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; decrease it: <a href="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; anything you do for it.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get this<br>
+&gt;&gt; all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names all<br>
+&gt;&gt; cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style<br>
+&gt;&gt; then there is the perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that doesn&#39;t<br>
+&gt;&gt; build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get it fixed, but<br>
+&gt;&gt; they take their time.<br>
+&gt;&gt; But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I would like<br>
+&gt;&gt; some help:<br>
+&gt;&gt; php-pear-channel-symfony<br>
+&gt;&gt; I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says so (<br>
+&gt;&gt; and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the mirrors.<br>
+&gt;&gt; I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages, compared<br>
+&gt;&gt; it to SUSE and all looks good.<br>
+&gt;&gt; If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I found this:<br>
+&gt; php-pear-channel-symfony found in incorrect media core.x86_64 (allowed<br>
+&gt; core.i586)      error<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Why did it go to core.x86_64 it&#39;s a noarch package<br>
+&gt; How do I move (or remove) this?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>noarch packages are copied to both i586 and x86_64 repos, so the error<br>
+on <a href="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</a> doesn&#39;t make sense to me.<br>
+<br>
+Another issue it php-pear-channel-symfony provides and obsoletes<br>
+_itself_, this is wrong, IIUC. (I&#39;ve submitted a new package fixing<br>
+this issue).<br><br></blockquote><div><br>IIRC, It&#39;s a known problem that if you obsolete noarch package it&#39;s only removed from i586 repos.<br><br>-- <br>Jani Välimaa<br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/21 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 21 July 2011 05:50, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 08:21:40 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 01:55:28 am Anne nicolas wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Usual mail on missing packages. Please have a look on that list to<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; decrease it: <a href="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; This is important to clean this list. Please report on this thread<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; anything you do for it.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I have several (The horde related) and it will take some time to get this<br>
+&gt;&gt; all done. there are about 30 packages I need to redo and the names all<br>
+&gt;&gt; cahnge to a php-pear-Horde_Cxxxx style<br>
+&gt;&gt; then there is the perlapi-5.12.2 which comes from swish-e that doesn&#39;t<br>
+&gt;&gt; build on a 32 bit system. I am working with upstream to get it fixed, but<br>
+&gt;&gt; they take their time.<br>
+&gt;&gt; But there is one package I have a problem I cannot explain and I would like<br>
+&gt;&gt; some help:<br>
+&gt;&gt; php-pear-channel-symfony<br>
+&gt;&gt; I have build this package twice with, well at least the system says so (<br>
+&gt;&gt; and I can install it locally), but it never makes it over to the mirrors.<br>
+&gt;&gt; I checked the spelling, compared it with other channel packages, compared<br>
+&gt;&gt; it to SUSE and all looks good.<br>
+&gt;&gt; If someone find a little spare time... it would be appreciated<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I found this:<br>
+&gt; php-pear-channel-symfony found in incorrect media core.x86_64 (allowed<br>
+&gt; core.i586)      error<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Why did it go to core.x86_64 it&#39;s a noarch package<br>
+&gt; How do I move (or remove) this?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>noarch packages are copied to both i586 and x86_64 repos, so the error<br>
+on <a href="http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/dependencies.html</a> doesn&#39;t make sense to me.<br>
+<br>
+Another issue it php-pear-channel-symfony provides and obsoletes<br>
+_itself_, this is wrong, IIUC. (I&#39;ve submitted a new package fixing<br>
+this issue).<br><br></blockquote><div><br>IIRC, It&#39;s a known problem that if you obsolete noarch package it&#39;s only removed from i586 repos.<br><br>-- <br>Jani Välimaa<br></div></div>
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+%define name ZoneMinder
+%define version 1.24.4
+%define release %mkrel 1
+# take current user as user, to allow change of user:group during chmod (make install):
+%define zmuid $(id -un)
+%define zmgid $(id -gn)
+
+Summary:    ZoneMinder, the all-in one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+Name:       %{name}
+Version:    %{version}
+Release:    %{release}
+URL:        http://www.zoneminder.com/
+Source0:    http://www2.zoneminder.com/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:     ZoneMinder-1.24.4-src.patch
+Patch1:     ZoneMinder-1.24.4-install.patch
+License:    GPLv2+
+Group:      System Environment/Daemons
+# Need for configuration
+BuildRequires: automake
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: mysql-devel
+BuildRequires: pcre-devel
+
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Tar)
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Zip)
+BuildRequires: perl(Date::Manip)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBD::mysql)
+BuildRequires: perl(Device::SerialPort)
+BuildRequires: perl(MIME::Lite)
+# if apache is not here, make install is failing:
+BuildRequires: apache
+# need for post 
+Requires(post): /sbin/chkconfig
+# need to run:
+Requires: php-mysql
+
+%description
+ZoneMinder, security camera monitoring solution.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%patch0 -p0
+%patch1 -p0
+
+%build
+autoreconf
+# remove ffmpeg compilation issue, see :
+# http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/FAQ#When_running_configure_I_am_getting_a_lot_of_messages_about_not_being_able_to_compile_the_ffmpeg_libraries
+export CPPFLAGS=-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
+OPTS=""
+%ifnarch %{ix86} x86_64
+    OPTS+=" --disable-crashtrace"
+%endif
+
+%configure2_5x --with-webdir=%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www \
+               --with-cgidir=%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/cgi-bin \
+               --with-libarch=%{_lib} \
+               --with-mysql=%{_prefix}/ \
+               --enable-mmap=no \
+               --disable-debug \
+               --with-webuser=%{zmuid} \
+               --with-webgroup=%{zmgid} \
+               $OPTS
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall DESTDIR=%{buildroot} bindir=/usr/bin sysconfdir=/etc/%{name} PERLPREFIX=/usr/share/man/
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+# Add zoneminder to to rc.d
+/sbin/chkconfig --add zoneminder
+
+%postun
+#[ $1 = 0 ] || exit 0
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING README
+%_bindir/zma
+%_bindir/zmc
+%_bindir/zmf
+%_bindir/zmfix
+%_bindir/zmstreamer
+%_bindir/zmu
+%_bindir/zmaudit.pl
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+%dir %{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www
+%dir %{_localstatedir}/%{name}/cgi-bin
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+%{perl_sitelib}/%{name}/Base.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/%{name}/Config.pm
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+* Wed Jun 29 2011 Vincent Hervieux <vincent.hervieux@gmail.com> 1.24.4-1.mga1
++ Revision: 520056
+- building ZoneMinder for Mageia
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110721/cbbfc268/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110721/cbbfc268/attachment.bin
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+%define name ZoneMinder
+%define version 1.24.4
+%define release %mkrel 1
+# take current user as user, to allow change of user:group during chmod (make install):
+%define zmuid $(id -un)
+%define zmgid $(id -gn)
+
+Summary:    ZoneMinder, the all-in one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+Name:       %{name}
+Version:    %{version}
+Release:    %{release}
+URL:        http://www.zoneminder.com/
+Source0:    http://www2.zoneminder.com/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:     ZoneMinder-1.24.4-src.patch
+Patch1:     ZoneMinder-1.24.4-install.patch
+License:    GPLv2+
+Group:      System Environment/Daemons
+# Need for configuration
+BuildRequires: automake
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: mysql-devel
+BuildRequires: pcre-devel
+
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Tar)
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Zip)
+BuildRequires: perl(Date::Manip)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBD::mysql)
+BuildRequires: perl(Device::SerialPort)
+BuildRequires: perl(MIME::Lite)
+# if apache is not here, make install is failing:
+BuildRequires: apache
+# need for post 
+Requires(post): /sbin/chkconfig
+# need to run:
+Requires: php-mysql
+
+%description
+ZoneMinder, security camera monitoring solution.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%patch0 -p0
+%patch1 -p0
+
+%build
+autoreconf
+# remove ffmpeg compilation issue, see :
+# http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/FAQ#When_running_configure_I_am_getting_a_lot_of_messages_about_not_being_able_to_compile_the_ffmpeg_libraries
+export CPPFLAGS=-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
+OPTS=""
+%ifnarch %{ix86} x86_64
+    OPTS+=" --disable-crashtrace"
+%endif
+
+%configure2_5x --with-webdir=%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www \
+               --with-cgidir=%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/cgi-bin \
+               --with-libarch=%{_lib} \
+               --with-mysql=%{_prefix}/ \
+               --enable-mmap=no \
+               --disable-debug \
+               --with-webuser=%{zmuid} \
+               --with-webgroup=%{zmgid} \
+               $OPTS
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall DESTDIR=%{buildroot} bindir=/usr/bin sysconfdir=/etc/%{name} PERLPREFIX=/usr/share/man/
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+# Add zoneminder to to rc.d
+/sbin/chkconfig --add zoneminder
+
+%postun
+#[ $1 = 0 ] || exit 0
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING README
+%_bindir/zma
+%_bindir/zmc
+%_bindir/zmf
+%_bindir/zmfix
+%_bindir/zmstreamer
+%_bindir/zmu
+%_bindir/zmaudit.pl
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+%_bindir/zmtrigger.pl
+%_bindir/zmupdate.pl
+%_bindir/zmvideo.pl
+%_bindir/zmwatch.pl
+%_bindir/zmx10.pl
+%dir %{_localstatedir}/%{name}
+%dir %{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www
+%dir %{_localstatedir}/%{name}/cgi-bin
+%attr(-,apache,apache) %config(noreplace) %{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/index.php
+%{_sysconfdir}/%{name}/zm.conf
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+%{perl_sitelib}/%{name}/Base.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/%{name}/Config.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/%{name}/ConfigAdmin.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/%{name}/ConfigData.pm
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+/usr/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder::Trigger::Connection.3pm
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+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/postlogin.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/settings.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/state.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/stats.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/status.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/timeline.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/user.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/version.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/video.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/watch.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/zone.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/classic/views/zones.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/css/skin.css
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/includes/config.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/includes/control_functions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/includes/functions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/includes/init.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/skin.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/console.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/css/console.css
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/devices.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/error.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/event.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/eventdetails.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/events.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/filter.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/frame.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/function.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/login.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/montage.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/state.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/video.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/mobile/views/watch.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/xml/includes/config.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/xml/includes/functions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/xml/includes/init.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/xml/skin.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/xml/views/actions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/xml/views/console.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/xml/views/none.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/skins/xml/views/notfound.png
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/tools/mootools/mootools-1.2.5-core-nc.js
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/tools/mootools/mootools-1.2.5-core-yc.js
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/tools/mootools/mootools-1.2.5.1-more-nc.js
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/tools/mootools/mootools-1.2.5.1-more-yc.js
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/tools/mootools/mootools-core.js
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/tools/mootools/mootools-more.js
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/views/file.php
+%{_localstatedir}/%{name}/www/views/image.php
+
+%changelog
+* Wed Jun 29 2011 Vincent Hervieux <vincent.hervieux@gmail.com> 1.24.4-1.mga1
++ Revision: 520056
+- building ZoneMinder for Mageia
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0001.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0001.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f75cd28bd
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0001.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,39 @@
+--- Makefile.am.orig	2011-07-19 13:06:10.738615024 -0400
++++ Makefile.am	2011-07-19 13:09:07.234611701 -0400
+@@ -21,12 +21,12 @@ EXTRA_DIST = \
+ # Yes, you are correct. This is a HACK!
+ install-data-hook:
+ 	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(sysconfdir); chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(sysconf_DATA); chmod 600 $(sysconf_DATA) )
+-	( if ! test -e $(ZM_RUNDIR); then mkdir -p $(ZM_RUNDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_RUNDIR)" != "/var/run"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(ZM_RUNDIR); chmod u+w $(ZM_RUNDIR); fi )
+-	( if ! test -e $(ZM_TMPDIR); then mkdir -m 700 -p $(ZM_TMPDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_TMPDIR)" != "/tmp"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(ZM_TMPDIR); chmod u+w $(ZM_TMPDIR); fi )
+-	( if ! test -e $(ZM_LOGDIR); then mkdir -p $(ZM_LOGDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_LOGDIR)" != "/var/log"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(ZM_LOGDIR); chmod u+w $(ZM_LOGDIR); fi )
++	( if ! test -e $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); then mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_RUNDIR)" != "/var/run"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); chmod u+w $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); fi )
++	( if ! test -e $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); then mkdir -m 700 -p $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_TMPDIR)" != "/tmp"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); chmod u+w $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); fi )
++	( if ! test -e $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); then mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_LOGDIR)" != "/var/log"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); chmod u+w $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); fi )
+ 
+ uninstall-hook:
+ 	@-( cd $(DESTDIR)$(webdir); rm -rf events graphics images sounds temp )
+-	@-( if test "$(ZM_RUNDIR)" != "/var/run"; then rm -rf $(ZM_RUNDIR); fi )
+-	@-( if test "$(ZM_TMPDIR)" != "/tmp"; then rm -rf $(ZM_TMPDIR); fi )
+-	@-( if test "$(ZM_LOGDIR)" != "/var/log"; then rm -rf $(ZM_LOGDIR); fi )
++	@-( if test "$(ZM_RUNDIR)" != "/var/run"; then rm -rf $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); fi )
++	@-( if test "$(ZM_TMPDIR)" != "/tmp"; then rm -rf $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); fi )
++	@-( if test "$(ZM_LOGDIR)" != "/var/log"; then rm -rf $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); fi )
+ 
+--- src/Makefile.am.orig	2011-07-19 14:08:47.667544283 -0400
++++ src/Makefile.am	2011-07-19 14:12:06.086540641 -0400
+@@ -124,10 +124,10 @@ dist-hook:
+ 
+ # Yes, you are correct. This is a HACK!
+ install-exec-hook:
+-	( cd $(DESTDIR)@bindir@; mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); mv zms $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir) )
+-	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) zms; ln -f zms nph-zms )
+-	( cd $(DESTDIR)@bindir@; chmod u+s zmfix )
++	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(bindir); mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); mv zms $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir) )
++	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) zms; ln -f zms nph-zms )
++	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(bindir); chmod u+s zmfix )
+ 
+ uninstall-hook:
+-	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); rm -f zms nph-zms )
++	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); rm -f zms nph-zms )
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0002.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0002.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..a5a70a2c0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0002.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,31 @@
+--- ./src/zm_rtsp.cpp.orig	2011-06-30 13:37:20.175609094 -0400
++++ ./src/zm_rtsp.cpp	2011-06-30 13:37:46.618610480 -0400
+@@ -311,7 +311,7 @@
+     }
+     catch( const Exception &e )
+     {
+-        Error( e.getMessage().c_str() );
++        Error( "%s", e.getMessage().c_str() );
+         return( -1 );
+     }
+ 
+--- ./src/zm_signal.cpp.orig	2011-06-30 13:44:42.850610241 -0400
++++ ./src/zm_signal.cpp	2011-06-30 13:48:02.785610651 -0400
+@@ -109,7 +109,7 @@
+ 	char **messages = backtrace_symbols( trace, trace_size );
+     if ( size_t offset = strcspn( messages[trace_size-1], " " ) )
+     {
+-        snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), messages[trace_size-1] );
++        snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), "%s", messages[trace_size-1] );
+         cmd_ptr += offset;
+     }
+     else
+@@ -123,7 +123,7 @@
+         cmd_ptr += snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), " %p", trace[i] );
+     }
+ 	Info( "Backtrace complete, please execute the following command for more information" );
+-    Info( cmd );
++    Info( "%s", cmd );
+ #endif // HAVE_DECL_BACKTRACE
+ #endif // ( HAVE_SIGINFO_T && HAVE_UCONTEXT_T ) || HAVE_STRUCT_SIGCONTEXT
+ #endif // ZM_NO_CRASHTRACE
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0003.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0003.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..3438dab0b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0003.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,381 @@
+Name:       zoneminder
+Version:    1.24.4
+Release:    %mkrel 2
+Summary:    ZoneMinder, the all-in one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+URL:        http://www.zoneminder.com/
+Source0:    http://www2.zoneminder.com/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:     zoneminder-1.24.4-src.patch
+Patch1:     zoneminder-1.24.4-install.patch
+License:    GPLv2+
+Group:      System Environment/Daemons
+# take current user as user, to allow change of user:group during chmod (make install):
+%define zmuid $(id -un)
+%define zmgid $(id -gn)
+
+# Need for configuration
+BuildRequires: automake
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: mysql-devel
+BuildRequires: pcre-devel
+
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Tar)
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Zip)
+BuildRequires: perl(Date::Manip)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBD::mysql)
+BuildRequires: perl(Device::SerialPort)
+BuildRequires: perl(MIME::Lite)
+# if apache is not here, make install is failing:
+BuildRequires: apache
+# need for post 
+Requires(post): /sbin/chkconfig
+# need to run:
+Requires: php-mysql
+
+%description
+ZoneMinder, security camera monitoring solution.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%patch0 -p0
+%patch1 -p0
+
+%build
+autoreconf
+# remove ffmpeg compilation issue, see :
+# http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/FAQ#When_running_configure_I_am_getting_a_lot_of_messages_about_not_being_able_to_compile_the_ffmpeg_libraries
+export CPPFLAGS=-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
+OPTS=""
+%ifnarch %{ix86} x86_64
+    OPTS+=" --disable-crashtrace"
+%endif
+
+%configure2_5x --with-webdir=%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name} \
+               --with-cgidir=%{_localstatedir}/www/cgi-bin/%{name} \
+               --with-libarch=%{_lib} \
+               --with-mysql=%{_prefix}/ \
+               --enable-mmap=no \
+               --disable-debug \
+               --with-webuser=%{zmuid} \
+               --with-webgroup=%{zmgid} \
+               $OPTS
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall DESTDIR=%{buildroot} \
+             INST_MAN3DIR=%{buildroot}/%{_mandir}/man3 \
+             bindir=%{_bindir} \
+             sysconfdir=%{_sysconfdir}/%{name}
+
+rm -fr  %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/log/zm
+# don't know how to get rid of this another way:
+cp -R %{buildroot}/%{_prefix}/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder* %{buildroot}/%{_mandir}/man3/
+rm -fr %{buildroot}/%{_prefix}/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder*
+# some directories creations: 
+install -m 755 -d %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/log/%{name}
+install -m 755 -d %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}/sock
+install -m 755 -d %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}/swap
+install -m 755 -d %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/spool/%{name}-upload
+install -D -m 755 scripts/zm %{buildroot}/%{_initrddir}/%{name}
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+# Add zoneminder to to rc.d
+/sbin/chkconfig --add %{name}
+
+%preun
+if [ $1 -eq 0 ]; then
+    # stop service
+    /sbin/service %{name} stop > /dev/null 2>&1 || :
+    
+    /sbin/chkconfig --del %{name}
+fi
+
+%postun
+if [ $1 -ge 1 ]; then
+    /sbin/service %{name} condrestart > /dev/null 2>&1 || :
+fi
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING README
+%_bindir/zma
+%_bindir/zmc
+%_bindir/zmf
+%_bindir/zmfix
+%_bindir/zmstreamer
+%_bindir/zmu
+%_bindir/zmaudit.pl
+%_bindir/zmcontrol.pl
+%_bindir/zmdc.pl
+%_bindir/zmfilter.pl
+%_bindir/zmpkg.pl
+%_bindir/zmtrack.pl
+%_bindir/zmtrigger.pl
+%_bindir/zmupdate.pl
+%_bindir/zmvideo.pl
+%_bindir/zmwatch.pl
+%_bindir/zmx10.pl
+%{_initrddir}/zoneminder
+%dir %{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}
+%dir %{_localstatedir}/www/cgi-bin/%{name}
+%attr(-,apache,apache) %config(noreplace) %{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/index.php
+%{_sysconfdir}/%{name}/zm.conf
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Base.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Config.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/ConfigAdmin.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/ConfigData.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/AxisV2.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/Ncs370.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/PanasonicIP.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/PelcoD.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/Visca.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/mjpgStreamer.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Database.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Debug.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/General.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Memory.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Memory/Mapped.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Memory/Shared.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/File.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Handle.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Inet.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Serial.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Spawning.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Unix.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Connection.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Connection/Example.pm
+%{_mandir}/man3/.exists.xz
+%{_mandir}/man3/ZoneMinder*
+%{_localstatedir}/www/cgi-bin/%{name}/nph-zms
+%{_localstatedir}/www/cgi-bin/%{name}/zms
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/alarm.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/control.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/event.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/status.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/stream.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/zone.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/css/reset.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/graphics/favicon.ico
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/graphics/transparent.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/includes/actions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/includes/config.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/includes/control_functions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/includes/database.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/includes/functions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/includes/lang.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/js/mootools.ext.js
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/lang/pt_br.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/lang/ro_ro.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/lang/ru_ru.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/lang/se_se.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/css/control.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/css/export.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/css/skin.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-d.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-dl.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-dr.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-l-d.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-l-u.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-l.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-r.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-u.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-ul.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/arrow-ur.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/center.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/point-g.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/point-o.gif
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/seq-d.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/graphics/seq-u.gif
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/includes/config.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/includes/control_functions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/includes/export_functions.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/skin.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/Makefile.am
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/control.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/controlcaps.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/controlpreset.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/css/console.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/css/control.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/css/controlcaps.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/css/devices.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/css/event.css
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/css/monitor.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/css/montage.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/css/montage_2wide.css
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/event.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/eventdetail.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/events.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/export.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/filtersave.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/frames.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/groups.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/js/console.js
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/js/timeline.js.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/js/version.js.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/js/video.js
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/js/video.js.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/montage.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/optionhelp.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/options.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/status.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/timeline.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/user.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/watch.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/zone.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/classic/views/zones.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/css/skin.css
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/includes/config.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/includes/control_functions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/includes/functions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/includes/init.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/skin.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/views/console.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/views/css/console.css
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/views/error.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/views/event.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/views/eventdetails.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/views/events.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/views/filter.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/mobile/views/function.php
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+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/xml/includes/config.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/xml/includes/functions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/xml/includes/init.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/xml/skin.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/xml/views/actions.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/xml/views/console.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/xml/views/none.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/skins/xml/views/notfound.png
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/tools/mootools/mootools-1.2.5-core-nc.js
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/tools/mootools/mootools-1.2.5-core-yc.js
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/tools/mootools/mootools-1.2.5.1-more-nc.js
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/tools/mootools/mootools-1.2.5.1-more-yc.js
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/tools/mootools/mootools-core.js
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/tools/mootools/mootools-more.js
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/views/file.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/views/image.php
+
+%changelog
+* Wed Jun 29 2011 Vincent Hervieux <vincent.hervieux@gmail.com> 1.24.4-1.mga1
++ Revision: 520056
+- building ZoneMinder for Mageia
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0004.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0004.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f75cd28bd
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0004.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,39 @@
+--- Makefile.am.orig	2011-07-19 13:06:10.738615024 -0400
++++ Makefile.am	2011-07-19 13:09:07.234611701 -0400
+@@ -21,12 +21,12 @@ EXTRA_DIST = \
+ # Yes, you are correct. This is a HACK!
+ install-data-hook:
+ 	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(sysconfdir); chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(sysconf_DATA); chmod 600 $(sysconf_DATA) )
+-	( if ! test -e $(ZM_RUNDIR); then mkdir -p $(ZM_RUNDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_RUNDIR)" != "/var/run"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(ZM_RUNDIR); chmod u+w $(ZM_RUNDIR); fi )
+-	( if ! test -e $(ZM_TMPDIR); then mkdir -m 700 -p $(ZM_TMPDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_TMPDIR)" != "/tmp"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(ZM_TMPDIR); chmod u+w $(ZM_TMPDIR); fi )
+-	( if ! test -e $(ZM_LOGDIR); then mkdir -p $(ZM_LOGDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_LOGDIR)" != "/var/log"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(ZM_LOGDIR); chmod u+w $(ZM_LOGDIR); fi )
++	( if ! test -e $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); then mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_RUNDIR)" != "/var/run"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); chmod u+w $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); fi )
++	( if ! test -e $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); then mkdir -m 700 -p $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_TMPDIR)" != "/tmp"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); chmod u+w $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); fi )
++	( if ! test -e $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); then mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); fi; if test "$(ZM_LOGDIR)" != "/var/log"; then chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); chmod u+w $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); fi )
+ 
+ uninstall-hook:
+ 	@-( cd $(DESTDIR)$(webdir); rm -rf events graphics images sounds temp )
+-	@-( if test "$(ZM_RUNDIR)" != "/var/run"; then rm -rf $(ZM_RUNDIR); fi )
+-	@-( if test "$(ZM_TMPDIR)" != "/tmp"; then rm -rf $(ZM_TMPDIR); fi )
+-	@-( if test "$(ZM_LOGDIR)" != "/var/log"; then rm -rf $(ZM_LOGDIR); fi )
++	@-( if test "$(ZM_RUNDIR)" != "/var/run"; then rm -rf $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_RUNDIR); fi )
++	@-( if test "$(ZM_TMPDIR)" != "/tmp"; then rm -rf $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_TMPDIR); fi )
++	@-( if test "$(ZM_LOGDIR)" != "/var/log"; then rm -rf $(DESTDIR)$(ZM_LOGDIR); fi )
+ 
+--- src/Makefile.am.orig	2011-07-19 14:08:47.667544283 -0400
++++ src/Makefile.am	2011-07-19 14:12:06.086540641 -0400
+@@ -124,10 +124,10 @@ dist-hook:
+ 
+ # Yes, you are correct. This is a HACK!
+ install-exec-hook:
+-	( cd $(DESTDIR)@bindir@; mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); mv zms $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir) )
+-	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) zms; ln -f zms nph-zms )
+-	( cd $(DESTDIR)@bindir@; chmod u+s zmfix )
++	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(bindir); mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); mv zms $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir) )
++	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); chown $(webuser):$(webgroup) zms; ln -f zms nph-zms )
++	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(bindir); chmod u+s zmfix )
+ 
+ uninstall-hook:
+-	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); rm -f zms nph-zms )
++	( cd $(DESTDIR)$(cgidir); rm -f zms nph-zms )
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0005.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0005.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..a5a70a2c0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment-0005.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,31 @@
+--- ./src/zm_rtsp.cpp.orig	2011-06-30 13:37:20.175609094 -0400
++++ ./src/zm_rtsp.cpp	2011-06-30 13:37:46.618610480 -0400
+@@ -311,7 +311,7 @@
+     }
+     catch( const Exception &e )
+     {
+-        Error( e.getMessage().c_str() );
++        Error( "%s", e.getMessage().c_str() );
+         return( -1 );
+     }
+ 
+--- ./src/zm_signal.cpp.orig	2011-06-30 13:44:42.850610241 -0400
++++ ./src/zm_signal.cpp	2011-06-30 13:48:02.785610651 -0400
+@@ -109,7 +109,7 @@
+ 	char **messages = backtrace_symbols( trace, trace_size );
+     if ( size_t offset = strcspn( messages[trace_size-1], " " ) )
+     {
+-        snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), messages[trace_size-1] );
++        snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), "%s", messages[trace_size-1] );
+         cmd_ptr += offset;
+     }
+     else
+@@ -123,7 +123,7 @@
+         cmd_ptr += snprintf( cmd_ptr, sizeof(cmd)-(cmd_ptr-cmd), " %p", trace[i] );
+     }
+ 	Info( "Backtrace complete, please execute the following command for more information" );
+-    Info( cmd );
++    Info( "%s", cmd );
+ #endif // HAVE_DECL_BACKTRACE
+ #endif // ( HAVE_SIGINFO_T && HAVE_UCONTEXT_T ) || HAVE_STRUCT_SIGCONTEXT
+ #endif // ZM_NO_CRASHTRACE
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..3438dab0b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110723/9f6fa65f/attachment.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,381 @@
+Name:       zoneminder
+Version:    1.24.4
+Release:    %mkrel 2
+Summary:    ZoneMinder, the all-in one Linux GPL'd security camera solution.
+URL:        http://www.zoneminder.com/
+Source0:    http://www2.zoneminder.com/downloads/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:     zoneminder-1.24.4-src.patch
+Patch1:     zoneminder-1.24.4-install.patch
+License:    GPLv2+
+Group:      System Environment/Daemons
+# take current user as user, to allow change of user:group during chmod (make install):
+%define zmuid $(id -un)
+%define zmgid $(id -gn)
+
+# Need for configuration
+BuildRequires: automake
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: gnutls-devel
+BuildRequires: jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires: mysql-devel
+BuildRequires: pcre-devel
+
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Tar)
+BuildRequires: perl(Archive::Zip)
+BuildRequires: perl(Date::Manip)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBD::mysql)
+BuildRequires: perl(Device::SerialPort)
+BuildRequires: perl(MIME::Lite)
+# if apache is not here, make install is failing:
+BuildRequires: apache
+# need for post 
+Requires(post): /sbin/chkconfig
+# need to run:
+Requires: php-mysql
+
+%description
+ZoneMinder, security camera monitoring solution.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%patch0 -p0
+%patch1 -p0
+
+%build
+autoreconf
+# remove ffmpeg compilation issue, see :
+# http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/FAQ#When_running_configure_I_am_getting_a_lot_of_messages_about_not_being_able_to_compile_the_ffmpeg_libraries
+export CPPFLAGS=-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
+OPTS=""
+%ifnarch %{ix86} x86_64
+    OPTS+=" --disable-crashtrace"
+%endif
+
+%configure2_5x --with-webdir=%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name} \
+               --with-cgidir=%{_localstatedir}/www/cgi-bin/%{name} \
+               --with-libarch=%{_lib} \
+               --with-mysql=%{_prefix}/ \
+               --enable-mmap=no \
+               --disable-debug \
+               --with-webuser=%{zmuid} \
+               --with-webgroup=%{zmgid} \
+               $OPTS
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall DESTDIR=%{buildroot} \
+             INST_MAN3DIR=%{buildroot}/%{_mandir}/man3 \
+             bindir=%{_bindir} \
+             sysconfdir=%{_sysconfdir}/%{name}
+
+rm -fr  %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/log/zm
+# don't know how to get rid of this another way:
+cp -R %{buildroot}/%{_prefix}/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder* %{buildroot}/%{_mandir}/man3/
+rm -fr %{buildroot}/%{_prefix}/local/share/man/man3/ZoneMinder*
+# some directories creations: 
+install -m 755 -d %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/log/%{name}
+install -m 755 -d %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}/sock
+install -m 755 -d %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}/swap
+install -m 755 -d %{buildroot}/%{_localstatedir}/spool/%{name}-upload
+install -D -m 755 scripts/zm %{buildroot}/%{_initrddir}/%{name}
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+# Add zoneminder to to rc.d
+/sbin/chkconfig --add %{name}
+
+%preun
+if [ $1 -eq 0 ]; then
+    # stop service
+    /sbin/service %{name} stop > /dev/null 2>&1 || :
+    
+    /sbin/chkconfig --del %{name}
+fi
+
+%postun
+if [ $1 -ge 1 ]; then
+    /sbin/service %{name} condrestart > /dev/null 2>&1 || :
+fi
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING README
+%_bindir/zma
+%_bindir/zmc
+%_bindir/zmf
+%_bindir/zmfix
+%_bindir/zmstreamer
+%_bindir/zmu
+%_bindir/zmaudit.pl
+%_bindir/zmcontrol.pl
+%_bindir/zmdc.pl
+%_bindir/zmfilter.pl
+%_bindir/zmpkg.pl
+%_bindir/zmtrack.pl
+%_bindir/zmtrigger.pl
+%_bindir/zmupdate.pl
+%_bindir/zmvideo.pl
+%_bindir/zmwatch.pl
+%_bindir/zmx10.pl
+%{_initrddir}/zoneminder
+%dir %{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}
+%dir %{_localstatedir}/www/cgi-bin/%{name}
+%attr(-,apache,apache) %config(noreplace) %{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/index.php
+%{_sysconfdir}/%{name}/zm.conf
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Base.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Config.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/ConfigAdmin.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/ConfigData.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/AxisV2.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/Ncs370.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/PanasonicIP.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/PelcoD.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/Visca.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Control/mjpgStreamer.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Database.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Debug.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/General.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Memory.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Memory/Mapped.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Memory/Shared.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/File.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Handle.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Inet.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Serial.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Spawning.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Channel/Unix.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Connection.pm
+%{perl_sitelib}/ZoneMinder/Trigger/Connection/Example.pm
+%{_mandir}/man3/.exists.xz
+%{_mandir}/man3/ZoneMinder*
+%{_localstatedir}/www/cgi-bin/%{name}/nph-zms
+%{_localstatedir}/www/cgi-bin/%{name}/zms
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/alarm.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/control.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/event.php
+%{_localstatedir}/www/%{name}/ajax/status.php
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+* Wed Jun 29 2011 Vincent Hervieux <vincent.hervieux@gmail.com> 1.24.4-1.mga1
++ Revision: 520056
+- building ZoneMinder for Mageia
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/25 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 25/07/2011 22:29, Mageia Team a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+wally&lt;wally&gt;  3.1.4-3.mga2:<br>
++ Revision: 129336<br>
+- change conflict to obsoletes and provides to ensure smooth upgrade for<br>
+   current Cauldron users and to get rid of an old lib which also provides<br>
+   libgcr-3.so.0<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+cauldron update issues are supposed to be transient, and people running cauldron are supposed to be able to handle them manually.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br></font></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I know,<br><br>but chosed to make an exception this time and thus avoid the flood of questions and bug reports about missing symbols in libgcr-3.so.0 and seahorse not working. I think this saves a lot of time for us and users.<br>
+<br>-- <br>Jani Välimaa<br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/25 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 25/07/2011 22:29, Mageia Team a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+wally&lt;wally&gt;  3.1.4-3.mga2:<br>
++ Revision: 129336<br>
+- change conflict to obsoletes and provides to ensure smooth upgrade for<br>
+   current Cauldron users and to get rid of an old lib which also provides<br>
+   libgcr-3.so.0<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+cauldron update issues are supposed to be transient, and people running cauldron are supposed to be able to handle them manually.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br></font></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I know,<br><br>but chosed to make an exception this time and thus avoid the flood of questions and bug reports about missing symbols in libgcr-3.so.0 and seahorse not working. I think this saves a lot of time for us and users.<br>
+<br>-- <br>Jani Välimaa<br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/27 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Can someone that has the powers please remove these noarch packages in the 64<br>
+bit repos<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Better place for package removal requests is the sysadm ML.<br><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm</a><br><span class="gI"></span></div>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/27 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Can someone that has the powers please remove these noarch packages in the 64<br>
+bit repos<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Better place for package removal requests is the sysadm ML.<br><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm</a><br><span class="gI"></span></div>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/27 Mageia Team <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Name        : php-pear-Horde_Crypt         Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 1.0.3                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 3.mga2                        Build Date: Wed Jul 27 07:01:17 2011<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: jonund<br>
+Group       : Networking/Mail               Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 129741                           License: LGPL<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : Mageia Team &lt;<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://pear.horde.org/package/Horde_Crypt" target="_blank">http://pear.horde.org/package/Horde_Crypt</a><br>
+Summary     : Horde Cryptography API<br>
+Description :<br>
+The Horde_Crypt package class provides an API for various cryptographic<br>
+systems.<br>
+<br>
+spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.0.3-3.mga2:<br>
++ Revision: 129865<br>
+-Requires:      php-pear-Stream_Filter &lt;= 2.0.0<br>
+  +Requires:    php-pear-Horde_Stream_Filter &lt;= 2.0.0<br>
+-Conflicts:     php-pear-Exception = 2.0.0<br>
+-Conflicts:     php-pear-Util = 2.0.0<br>
+  +Conflicts:   php-pear-Horde_Exception = 2.0.0<br>
+  +Conflicts:   php-pear-Horde_Util = 2.0.0<br>
+- changed Requires: php-pear-Horde_MimeMime to php-pear-Horde_Mime<br>
+- imported package php-pear-Horde_Crypt</blockquote></div><br>Please use better commit msgs next time. E.g. &quot;- fix requires and conflicts due to package name changes&quot; would have been better.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/27 Mageia Team <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Name        : php-pear-Horde_Crypt         Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 1.0.3                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 3.mga2                        Build Date: Wed Jul 27 07:01:17 2011<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: jonund<br>
+Group       : Networking/Mail               Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 129741                           License: LGPL<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : Mageia Team &lt;<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://pear.horde.org/package/Horde_Crypt" target="_blank">http://pear.horde.org/package/Horde_Crypt</a><br>
+Summary     : Horde Cryptography API<br>
+Description :<br>
+The Horde_Crypt package class provides an API for various cryptographic<br>
+systems.<br>
+<br>
+spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.0.3-3.mga2:<br>
++ Revision: 129865<br>
+-Requires:      php-pear-Stream_Filter &lt;= 2.0.0<br>
+  +Requires:    php-pear-Horde_Stream_Filter &lt;= 2.0.0<br>
+-Conflicts:     php-pear-Exception = 2.0.0<br>
+-Conflicts:     php-pear-Util = 2.0.0<br>
+  +Conflicts:   php-pear-Horde_Exception = 2.0.0<br>
+  +Conflicts:   php-pear-Horde_Util = 2.0.0<br>
+- changed Requires: php-pear-Horde_MimeMime to php-pear-Horde_Mime<br>
+- imported package php-pear-Horde_Crypt</blockquote></div><br>Please use better commit msgs next time. E.g. &quot;- fix requires and conflicts due to package name changes&quot; would have been better.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/27 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 21 July 2011 08:51, Jani Välimaa &lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; IIRC, It&#39;s a known problem that if you obsolete noarch package it&#39;s only<br>
+&gt; removed from i586 repos.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Is there a bug report in bugzilla?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Sure, just filed one.. :)<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2328">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2328</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/27 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 21 July 2011 08:51, Jani Välimaa &lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; IIRC, It&#39;s a known problem that if you obsolete noarch package it&#39;s only<br>
+&gt; removed from i586 repos.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Is there a bug report in bugzilla?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Sure, just filed one.. :)<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2328">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2328</a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Monospace'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dnia Saturday 30 of July 2011 o 12:57:19 Christiaan Welvaart napisa³(a):</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Check dmesg for info, especially an error msg about a firmware file. You</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; may need one of the following packages from the nonfree section:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt2860-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt2870-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt3090-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt61-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt73-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; kernel-firmware-extra (for rt3070.bin and rt3071.bin)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">no use, I already have rt3090-firmware installed (for test I installed all of them). I was testing those drivers in 2.6.36 (or 35) when they were experimental. And those days it was workig.<br />I had my own (compiled by myself) kernel however.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Micha³ Walenciak</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gmail.com kicer86</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://kicer.sileman.net.pl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gg: 3729519</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Monospace'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dnia Saturday 30 of July 2011 o 12:57:19 Christiaan Welvaart napisa³(a):</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Check dmesg for info, especially an error msg about a firmware file. You</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; may need one of the following packages from the nonfree section:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt2860-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt2870-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt3090-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt61-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; rt73-firmware</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; kernel-firmware-extra (for rt3070.bin and rt3071.bin)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">no use, I already have rt3090-firmware installed (for test I installed all of them). I was testing those drivers in 2.6.36 (or 35) when they were experimental. And those days it was workig.<br />I had my own (compiled by myself) kernel however.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Micha³ Walenciak</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gmail.com kicer86</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://kicer.sileman.net.pl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gg: 3729519</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+Well I can understand that there is no mentor to take an apprentice, but can you give me something that is needed to pack? I can try on my side and get back to you for advices.<br /><br />What do you think?<br /><br />Vincent<br /><br />Le , Samuel Verschelde &lt;stormi@laposte.net&gt; a écrit :<br />&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 22:32:45, Vincent a écrit :<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; Hi All,<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; rpms.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; As I don&#39;t know what needs to be packed, I&#39;ve tried to make rpm for<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; If any mentor could help me, or assign me something else to pack, I would<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; be glad.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; Regards<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; Vincent<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; Vincent has been waiting for a mentor for 1 month, which is a long time for<br />&gt; <br />&gt; someone who kindly offers to help. I know that every mentor already has several<br />&gt; <br />&gt; apprentices, but could someone add one to his list ?<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; Thanks in advance.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; Best regards<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; Samuel Verschelde<br />&gt; <br />&gt;
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+Well I can understand that there is no mentor to take an apprentice, but can you give me something that is needed to pack? I can try on my side and get back to you for advices.<br /><br />What do you think?<br /><br />Vincent<br /><br />Le , Samuel Verschelde &lt;stormi@laposte.net&gt; a écrit :<br />&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 22:32:45, Vincent a écrit :<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; Hi All,<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; I would like to participate to your project and to help you by packaging<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; rpms.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; As I don&#39;t know what needs to be packed, I&#39;ve tried to make rpm for<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; ZoneMinder 1.24.4. But it fails to install into BUILDROOT environment. I<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; must have done something wrong while setting installation destinations.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; Attached is the spec file, and the patch to make it compiled.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; If any mentor could help me, or assign me something else to pack, I would<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; be glad.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; Regards<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; <br />&gt; &gt; Vincent<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; Vincent has been waiting for a mentor for 1 month, which is a long time for<br />&gt; <br />&gt; someone who kindly offers to help. I know that every mentor already has several<br />&gt; <br />&gt; apprentices, but could someone add one to his list ?<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; Thanks in advance.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; Best regards<br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; <br />&gt; Samuel Verschelde<br />&gt; <br />&gt;
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Monospace'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I've two PCs with the same RaLink 3062 WiFi card.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Those cards are currently (since kernel 2.6.38 or 37) supported by kernel (modules marked as stable).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The problem is that on one of the computers I've debian testing with 2.6.39 kernel and it automatically loads proper modules and WiFi card works, and on Mageia PC nothing happens.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I tried both 2.6.38 and 3.0.0 kernels (on Mageia) and:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* no module is loaded automatically</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* even if I load proper module manually, nothing happens (module seems to be somehow not related to proper device)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">some info:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lspci -v</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">debian:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">05:03.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 3062</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Subsystem: RaLink Device 3062</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Memory at dfce0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Kernel driver in use: rt2800pci</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mageia:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">05:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 3062</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Subsystem: RaLink Device 3062</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Memory at fa100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Capabilities: &lt;access denied&gt;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">modules</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mageia:  (after modprobe rt2800pci)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lsmod | grep rt2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">rt2800pci              18476  0 </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">rt2800lib              53777  1 rt2800pci</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">crc_ccitt              12667  1 rt2800lib</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">rt2x00pci              14477  1 rt2800pci</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">rt2x00lib              49476  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mac80211              240860  3 rt2800lib,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">cfg80211              187537  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eeprom_93cx6           12725  1 rt2800pci</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">debian:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lsmod |grep rt2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">rt2800pci              17800  0 </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">rt2800lib              43106  1 rt2800pci</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">crc_ccitt              12347  1 rt2800lib</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">rt2x00pci              12779  1 rt2800pci</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">rt2x00lib              37704  3 rt2800pci,rt2800lib,rt2x00pci</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mac80211              181270  3 rt2800lib,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">cfg80211              126244  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eeprom_93cx6           12455  1 rt2800pci</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">iwconfig</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">debian:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lo        no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eth1      no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eth0      no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">wlan0     IEEE 802.11bgn ....</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mageia:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lo        no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eth0      no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">any ideas what can be wrong (maybe blocked somewhere?) ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm using Mageia 1, but for tests I've installed kernel 3.0.0 from Cauldron</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Michał Walenciak</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gmail.com kicer86</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://kicer.sileman.net.pl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gg: 3729519</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I've two PCs with the same RaLink 3062 WiFi card.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Those cards are currently (since kernel 2.6.38 or 37) supported by kernel (modules marked as stable).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The problem is that on one of the computers I've debian testing with 2.6.39 kernel and it automatically loads proper modules and WiFi card works, and on Mageia PC nothing happens.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I tried both 2.6.38 and 3.0.0 kernels (on Mageia) and:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* no module is loaded automatically</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* even if I load proper module manually, nothing happens (module seems to be somehow not related to proper device)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">some info:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lspci -v</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">debian:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">05:03.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 3062</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Subsystem: RaLink Device 3062</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Memory at dfce0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Kernel driver in use: rt2800pci</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mageia:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">05:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 3062</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Subsystem: RaLink Device 3062</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lsmod | grep rt2</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mac80211              240860  3 rt2800lib,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">cfg80211              187537  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eeprom_93cx6           12725  1 rt2800pci</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">debian:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lsmod |grep rt2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">rt2800pci              17800  0 </p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">cfg80211              126244  2 rt2x00lib,mac80211</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eeprom_93cx6           12455  1 rt2800pci</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">iwconfig</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">debian:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lo        no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eth1      no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eth0      no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">wlan0     IEEE 802.11bgn ....</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mageia:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lo        no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">eth0      no wireless extensions.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">any ideas what can be wrong (maybe blocked somewhere?) ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm using Mageia 1, but for tests I've installed kernel 3.0.0 from Cauldron</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Michał Walenciak</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gmail.com kicer86</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://kicer.sileman.net.pl</p>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/1 D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Thierry Vignaud<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 1 August 2011 13:59, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; misc &lt;misc&gt; 0.2.9-5.mga2:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 131149<br>
+&gt;&gt; - add exception for filesystem and x11-server-common<br>
+&gt;&gt; - add some exception for kppp-provider, asked by mikala on irc<br>
+&gt;&gt; - new policy to fix -debug rejection<br>
+&gt;&gt; - better filtering for debug package<br>
+&gt;&gt; - new release to deploy the fixed config on valstar<br>
+&gt;&gt; - simplify the various exception<br>
+&gt;&gt; - remove old code that was moved to another file<br>
+&gt;&gt; - do not warn for lack of %clean, close #2260<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As for recent firefox upload, the changelog looks like<br>
+&gt; previous releases weren&#39;t marked/tagged as such in SVN...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>yes seems that we have a pb in youri ( i think this is here )  with<br>
+markrelease since some days.<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;ve filed a bug about it:<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2337">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2337</a> <br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/1 D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Thierry Vignaud<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 1 August 2011 13:59, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; misc &lt;misc&gt; 0.2.9-5.mga2:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 131149<br>
+&gt;&gt; - add exception for filesystem and x11-server-common<br>
+&gt;&gt; - add some exception for kppp-provider, asked by mikala on irc<br>
+&gt;&gt; - new policy to fix -debug rejection<br>
+&gt;&gt; - better filtering for debug package<br>
+&gt;&gt; - new release to deploy the fixed config on valstar<br>
+&gt;&gt; - simplify the various exception<br>
+&gt;&gt; - remove old code that was moved to another file<br>
+&gt;&gt; - do not warn for lack of %clean, close #2260<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As for recent firefox upload, the changelog looks like<br>
+&gt; previous releases weren&#39;t marked/tagged as such in SVN...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>yes seems that we have a pb in youri ( i think this is here )  with<br>
+markrelease since some days.<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;ve filed a bug about it:<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2337">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2337</a> <br></div></div>
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+>>> Memory blocks currently allocated: 1, size: 63.9 KiB.
+Memory blocks allocated during the whole lifetime: 65, size: 3.1 MiB.
+Memory blocks imported from other processes: 0, size: 0 B.
+Memory blocks exported to other processes: 0, size: 0 B.
+Total sample cache size: 0 B.
+Default sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+Default channel map: front-left,front-right
+Default sink name: auto_null
+Default source name: auto_null.monitor
+Memory blocks of type POOL: 1 allocated/1 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type POOL_EXTERNAL: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type APPENDED: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type USER: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type FIXED: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type IMPORTED: 0 allocated/64 accumulated.
+18 module(s) loaded.
+    index: 0
+	name: <module-device-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the volume/mute state of devices"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 1
+	name: <module-stream-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the volume/mute/device state of streams"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 2
+	name: <module-card-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore profile of cards"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 3
+	name: <module-augment-properties>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Augment the property sets of streams with additional static information"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 4
+	name: <module-udev-detect>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Detect available audio hardware and load matching drivers"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 5
+	name: <module-esound-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "ESOUND protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 6
+	name: <module-native-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Native protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 7
+	name: <module-dbus-protocol>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Tanu Kaskinen"
+		module.description = "D-Bus interface"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 8
+	name: <module-default-device-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the default sink and source"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 9
+	name: <module-rescue-streams>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "When a sink/source is removed, try to move their streams to the default sink/source"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 10
+	name: <module-null-sink>
+	argument: <sink_name=auto_null sink_properties='device.description="Dummy Output"'>
+	used: 0
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Clocked Null sink"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 11
+	name: <module-always-sink>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Always keeps at least one sink loaded even if it's a null one"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 12
+	name: <module-intended-roles>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically set device of streams based of intended roles of devices"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 13
+	name: <module-suspend-on-idle>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "When a sink/source is idle for too long, suspend it"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 14
+	name: <module-console-kit>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Create a client for each ConsoleKit session of this user"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 15
+	name: <module-position-event-sounds>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Position event sounds between L and R depending on the position on screen of the widget triggering them."
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 16
+	name: <module-cork-music-on-phone>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Mute or cork music while a phone stream exists"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 17
+	name: <module-cli-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Command line interface protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+1 sink(s) available.
+  * index: 0
+	name: <auto_null>
+	driver: <module-null-sink.c>
+	flags: DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY FLAT_VOLUME DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 1000
+	volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+	        0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume: 100%
+	             0.00 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max request: 1722 KiB
+	max rewind: 1722 KiB
+	monitor source: 0
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             立體�
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 10000.00 ms
+	module: 10
+	properties:
+		device.description = "Dummy Output"
+		device.class = "abstract"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-card"
+1 source(s) available.
+  * index: 0
+	name: <auto_null.monitor>
+	driver: <module-null-sink.c>
+	flags: DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 1000
+	volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+	        0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume: 100%
+	             0.00 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max rewind: 1722 KiB
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             立體�
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 10000.00 ms
+	monitor_of: 0
+	module: 10
+	properties:
+		device.description = "Monitor of Dummy Output"
+		device.class = "monitor"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
+3 client(s) logged in.
+    index: 0
+	driver: <module-console-kit.c>
+	owner module: 14
+	properties:
+		application.name = "ConsoleKit Session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1"
+		console-kit.session = "/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1"
+    index: 1
+	driver: <protocol-native.c>
+	owner module: 6
+	properties:
+		application.name = "libcanberra"
+		native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client"
+		native-protocol.version = "23"
+		application.version = "0.27"
+		application.id = "org.freedesktop.libcanberra"
+		application.process.id = "3107"
+		application.process.user = "kira"
+		application.process.host = "localhost"
+		application.process.binary = "knotify4"
+		application.language = "zh_TW.UTF-8"
+		window.x11.display = ":0"
+		application.process.machine_id = "e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143"
+		application.process.session_id = "e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-1312361832.915524-804737091"
+    index: 4
+	driver: <cli.c>
+	owner module: 17
+	properties:
+		application.name = "UNIX socket client"
+0 card(s) available.
+0 sink input(s) available.
+0 source outputs(s) available.
+0 cache entrie(s) available.
+>>> 
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+Welcome to PulseAudio! Use "help" for usage information.
+>>> Memory blocks currently allocated: 1, size: 63.9 KiB.
+Memory blocks allocated during the whole lifetime: 65, size: 3.1 MiB.
+Memory blocks imported from other processes: 0, size: 0 B.
+Memory blocks exported to other processes: 0, size: 0 B.
+Total sample cache size: 0 B.
+Default sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+Default channel map: front-left,front-right
+Default sink name: auto_null
+Default source name: auto_null.monitor
+Memory blocks of type POOL: 1 allocated/1 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type POOL_EXTERNAL: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type APPENDED: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type USER: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type FIXED: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type IMPORTED: 0 allocated/64 accumulated.
+18 module(s) loaded.
+    index: 0
+	name: <module-device-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the volume/mute state of devices"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 1
+	name: <module-stream-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the volume/mute/device state of streams"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 2
+	name: <module-card-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore profile of cards"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 3
+	name: <module-augment-properties>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Augment the property sets of streams with additional static information"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 4
+	name: <module-udev-detect>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Detect available audio hardware and load matching drivers"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 5
+	name: <module-esound-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "ESOUND protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 6
+	name: <module-native-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Native protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 7
+	name: <module-dbus-protocol>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Tanu Kaskinen"
+		module.description = "D-Bus interface"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 8
+	name: <module-default-device-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the default sink and source"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 9
+	name: <module-rescue-streams>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "When a sink/source is removed, try to move their streams to the default sink/source"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 10
+	name: <module-null-sink>
+	argument: <sink_name=auto_null sink_properties='device.description="Dummy Output"'>
+	used: 0
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Clocked Null sink"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 11
+	name: <module-always-sink>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Always keeps at least one sink loaded even if it's a null one"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 12
+	name: <module-intended-roles>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically set device of streams based of intended roles of devices"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 13
+	name: <module-suspend-on-idle>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "When a sink/source is idle for too long, suspend it"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 14
+	name: <module-console-kit>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Create a client for each ConsoleKit session of this user"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 15
+	name: <module-position-event-sounds>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Position event sounds between L and R depending on the position on screen of the widget triggering them."
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 16
+	name: <module-cork-music-on-phone>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Mute or cork music while a phone stream exists"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+    index: 17
+	name: <module-cli-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Command line interface protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "0.99.1"
+1 sink(s) available.
+  * index: 0
+	name: <auto_null>
+	driver: <module-null-sink.c>
+	flags: DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY FLAT_VOLUME DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 1000
+	volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+	        0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume: 100%
+	             0.00 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max request: 1722 KiB
+	max rewind: 1722 KiB
+	monitor source: 0
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             立體�
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 10000.00 ms
+	module: 10
+	properties:
+		device.description = "Dummy Output"
+		device.class = "abstract"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-card"
+1 source(s) available.
+  * index: 0
+	name: <auto_null.monitor>
+	driver: <module-null-sink.c>
+	flags: DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 1000
+	volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+	        0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume: 100%
+	             0.00 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max rewind: 1722 KiB
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             立體�
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 10000.00 ms
+	monitor_of: 0
+	module: 10
+	properties:
+		device.description = "Monitor of Dummy Output"
+		device.class = "monitor"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
+3 client(s) logged in.
+    index: 0
+	driver: <module-console-kit.c>
+	owner module: 14
+	properties:
+		application.name = "ConsoleKit Session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1"
+		console-kit.session = "/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1"
+    index: 1
+	driver: <protocol-native.c>
+	owner module: 6
+	properties:
+		application.name = "libcanberra"
+		native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client"
+		native-protocol.version = "23"
+		application.version = "0.27"
+		application.id = "org.freedesktop.libcanberra"
+		application.process.id = "3107"
+		application.process.user = "kira"
+		application.process.host = "localhost"
+		application.process.binary = "knotify4"
+		application.language = "zh_TW.UTF-8"
+		window.x11.display = ":0"
+		application.process.machine_id = "e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143"
+		application.process.session_id = "e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-1312361832.915524-804737091"
+    index: 4
+	driver: <cli.c>
+	owner module: 17
+	properties:
+		application.name = "UNIX socket client"
+0 card(s) available.
+0 sink input(s) available.
+0 source outputs(s) available.
+0 cache entrie(s) available.
+>>> 
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+<br><br>Am Mittwoch, 3. August 2011 schrieb Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;:<br>&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 03/08/11 11:17 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just my experiences after todays updates of PA (64-bit):<br>&gt;&gt; Right after update everything worked as expected (tested Rhythmbox<br>&gt;&gt; (mp3), browser (flash plugin), sound recorder.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; After reboot the same except that the mic does not work anymore.<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; Interesting. Can you supply a &quot;pacmd ls&quot; output after a clean boot (no<br>&gt; hotplug)?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Another thing: when I plugin headset the mic and output work, internal<br>&gt;&gt; speakers are off. When I unplug the headset, neither mic nor speakers<br>
+&gt;&gt; are working (although the settings in PA configuration are ok). I have<br>&gt;&gt; to  restart PA to get back sound. This &quot;plugin, plugout&quot; worked<br>&gt;&gt; before.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; It certainly should. Can you also supply the &quot;pacmd ls&quot; output after<br>
+&gt; this happens so I can compare it to the first one?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Much appreciated.<br>&gt;<br><br>On the road now. Will reply later<br>-- <br>Wobo
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+<br><br>Am Mittwoch, 3. August 2011 schrieb Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;:<br>&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 03/08/11 11:17 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just my experiences after todays updates of PA (64-bit):<br>&gt;&gt; Right after update everything worked as expected (tested Rhythmbox<br>&gt;&gt; (mp3), browser (flash plugin), sound recorder.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; After reboot the same except that the mic does not work anymore.<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; Interesting. Can you supply a &quot;pacmd ls&quot; output after a clean boot (no<br>&gt; hotplug)?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Another thing: when I plugin headset the mic and output work, internal<br>&gt;&gt; speakers are off. When I unplug the headset, neither mic nor speakers<br>
+&gt;&gt; are working (although the settings in PA configuration are ok). I have<br>&gt;&gt; to  restart PA to get back sound. This &quot;plugin, plugout&quot; worked<br>&gt;&gt; before.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; It certainly should. Can you also supply the &quot;pacmd ls&quot; output after<br>
+&gt; this happens so I can compare it to the first one?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Much appreciated.<br>&gt;<br><br>On the road now. Will reply later<br>-- <br>Wobo
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+W: main.c: 本程���期以 root 身份執行（除�有指定 --system）。
+D: core-rtclock.c: Timer slack is set to 50 us.
+D: core-util.c: setpriority() worked.
+I: core-util.c: Successfully gained nice level -11.
+I: main.c: 這是 PulseAudio 0.99.1
+D: main.c: Compilation host: x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu
+D: main.c: Compilation CFLAGS: -O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wall -W -Wextra -Wno-long-long -Wvla -Wno-overlength-strings -Wunsafe-loop-optimizations -Wundef -Wformat=2 -Wlogical-op -Wsign-compare -Wformat-security -Wmissing-include-dirs -Wformat-nonliteral -Wpointer-arith -Winit-self -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wfloat-equal -Wmissing-prototypes -Wredundant-decls -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-noreturn -Wshadow -Wendif-labels -Wcast-align -Wstrict-aliasing -Wwrite-strings -Wno-unused-parameter -ffast-math -fno-common -fdiagnostics-show-option
+D: main.c: 正在執行於此主機上：Linux x86_64 3.0.0-desktop-1.mga2 #1 SMP Fri Jul 22 10:04:16 UTC 2011
+D: main.c: 找到 1 個 CPU。
+I: main.c: 分�大�為 4096 bytes
+D: main.c: 以 Valgrind 支�進行編譯：�
+D: main.c: 正在以 valgrind 模�執行中：no
+D: main.c: Running in VM: yes
+D: main.c: 最佳化的建構版本：是
+D: main.c: All asserts enabled.
+I: main.c: 機器 ID 為 e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143。
+I: main.c: 工作階段 ID 為 e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-1312361832.915524-804737091。
+I: main.c: Using runtime directory /root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-runtime.
+I: main.c: Using state directory /root/.pulse.
+I: main.c: 使用模組目錄 /usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules。
+I: main.c: 以系統模�執行中：no
+I: main.c: 有新鮮的高解�度計時器�用�期望您有個好食慾�
+D: memblock.c: Using shared memory pool with 1024 slots of size 64.0 KiB each, total size is 64.0 MiB, maximum usable slot size is 65472
+I: cpu-x86.c: CPU flags: CMOV MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 
+I: svolume_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized functions.
+I: remap_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized remappers.
+I: svolume_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized functions.
+I: remap_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized remappers.
+I: sconv_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized conversions.
+I: svolume_orc.c: Initialising ORC optimized functions.
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-device-volumes.tdb'
+I: module-device-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-device-volumes'.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-device-restore" (index: #0; argument: "").
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-stream-volumes.tdb'
+I: module-stream-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-stream-volumes'.
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1 added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-stream-restore" (index: #1; argument: "").
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-card-database.tdb'
+I: module-card-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-card-database'.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-card-restore" (index: #2; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-augment-properties" (index: #3; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-udev-detect.so': success
+D: module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC0 is accessible: yes
+D: module-udev-detect.c: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/sound/card0 is busy: yes
+I: module-udev-detect.c: Found 1 cards.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-udev-detect" (index: #4; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-bluetooth-discover.so': failure
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-esound-protocol-unix.so': success
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-esound-protocol-unix" (index: #5; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-native-protocol-unix" (index: #6; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-dbus-protocol.so': success
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Memstats added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/memstats
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module2
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module3
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module4
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module5
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module6
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1 added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-dbus-protocol" (index: #7; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-gconf.so': failure
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-default-device-restore" (index: #8; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-rescue-streams" (index: #9; argument: "").
+D: module-always-sink.c: Autoloading null-sink as no other sinks detected.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: sink:auto_null (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-device-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: sink:auto_null
+D: module-device-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: sink:auto_null. Ignoring.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: sink:auto_null (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-device-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: sink:auto_null
+D: module-device-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: sink:auto_null. Ignoring.
+I: sink.c: Created sink 0 "auto_null" with sample spec s16le 2ch 44100Hz and channel map front-left,front-right
+I: sink.c:     device.description = "Dummy Output"
+I: sink.c:     device.class = "abstract"
+I: sink.c:     device.icon_name = "audio-card"
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to change event.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: source:auto_null.monitor (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-device-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: source:auto_null.monitor
+D: module-device-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: source:auto_null.monitor. Ignoring.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: source:auto_null.monitor (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-device-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: source:auto_null.monitor
+D: module-device-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: source:auto_null.monitor. Ignoring.
+I: source.c: Created source 0 "auto_null.monitor" with sample spec s16le 2ch 44100Hz and channel map front-left,front-right
+I: source.c:     device.description = "Monitor of Dummy Output"
+I: source.c:     device.class = "monitor"
+I: source.c:     device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
+D: module-null-sink.c: Thread starting up
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Device added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/source0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Source added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/source0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Device added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/sink0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Sink added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/sink0
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-null-sink" (index: #10; argument: "sink_name=auto_null sink_properties='device.description="Dummy Output"'").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-always-sink" (index: #11; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-intended-roles" (index: #12; argument: "").
+D: module-suspend-on-idle.c: Sink auto_null becomes idle, timeout in 5 seconds.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-suspend-on-idle" (index: #13; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-console-kit.so': success
+D: dbus-util.c: Successfully connected to D-Bus system bus 2562668d56da0013bf6cdd4200000020 as :1.131
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-console-kit" (index: #14; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-position-event-sounds" (index: #15; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-cork-music-on-phone" (index: #16; argument: "").
+E: server-lookup.c: Unable to contact D-Bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.                                                                                                               
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-device-restore" (index: #0).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-device-restore" (index: #0).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-stream-restore" (index: #1).
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1 removed from object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-stream-restore" (index: #1).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-card-restore" (index: #2).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-card-restore" (index: #2).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-augment-properties" (index: #3).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-augment-properties" (index: #3).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-udev-detect" (index: #4).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-udev-detect" (index: #4).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-esound-protocol-unix" (index: #5).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-esound-protocol-unix" (index: #5).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-native-protocol-unix" (index: #6).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-native-protocol-unix" (index: #6).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-dbus-protocol" (index: #7).
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1 removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Device removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/sink0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Sink removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/sink0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Device removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/source0
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Source removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/source0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module2
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module3
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module4
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module5
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module6
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Memstats removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/memstats
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-dbus-protocol" (index: #7).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-default-device-restore" (index: #8).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-default-device-restore" (index: #8).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-rescue-streams" (index: #9).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-rescue-streams" (index: #9).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-null-sink" (index: #10).
+D: module-always-sink.c: Autoloaded null-sink removed
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+D: module-null-sink.c: Thread shutting down
+I: sink.c: Freeing sink 0 "auto_null"
+I: source.c: Freeing source 0 "auto_null.monitor"
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-null-sink" (index: #10).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-always-sink" (index: #11).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-always-sink" (index: #11).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-intended-roles" (index: #12).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-intended-roles" (index: #12).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-suspend-on-idle" (index: #13).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-suspend-on-idle" (index: #13).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-console-kit" (index: #14).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-console-kit" (index: #14).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-position-event-sounds" (index: #15).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-position-event-sounds" (index: #15).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-cork-music-on-phone" (index: #16).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-cork-music-on-phone" (index: #16).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: main.c: 幕後程�已終止。
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110803/a0a57eba/attachment.txt b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110803/a0a57eba/attachment.txt
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..b4c561ed4
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110803/a0a57eba/attachment.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,191 @@
+W: main.c: 本程���期以 root 身份執行（除�有指定 --system）。
+D: core-rtclock.c: Timer slack is set to 50 us.
+D: core-util.c: setpriority() worked.
+I: core-util.c: Successfully gained nice level -11.
+I: main.c: 這是 PulseAudio 0.99.1
+D: main.c: Compilation host: x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu
+D: main.c: Compilation CFLAGS: -O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wall -W -Wextra -Wno-long-long -Wvla -Wno-overlength-strings -Wunsafe-loop-optimizations -Wundef -Wformat=2 -Wlogical-op -Wsign-compare -Wformat-security -Wmissing-include-dirs -Wformat-nonliteral -Wpointer-arith -Winit-self -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wfloat-equal -Wmissing-prototypes -Wredundant-decls -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-noreturn -Wshadow -Wendif-labels -Wcast-align -Wstrict-aliasing -Wwrite-strings -Wno-unused-parameter -ffast-math -fno-common -fdiagnostics-show-option
+D: main.c: 正在執行於此主機上：Linux x86_64 3.0.0-desktop-1.mga2 #1 SMP Fri Jul 22 10:04:16 UTC 2011
+D: main.c: 找到 1 個 CPU。
+I: main.c: 分�大�為 4096 bytes
+D: main.c: 以 Valgrind 支�進行編譯：�
+D: main.c: 正在以 valgrind 模�執行中：no
+D: main.c: Running in VM: yes
+D: main.c: 最佳化的建構版本：是
+D: main.c: All asserts enabled.
+I: main.c: 機器 ID 為 e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143。
+I: main.c: 工作階段 ID 為 e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-1312361832.915524-804737091。
+I: main.c: Using runtime directory /root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-runtime.
+I: main.c: Using state directory /root/.pulse.
+I: main.c: 使用模組目錄 /usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules。
+I: main.c: 以系統模�執行中：no
+I: main.c: 有新鮮的高解�度計時器�用�期望您有個好食慾�
+D: memblock.c: Using shared memory pool with 1024 slots of size 64.0 KiB each, total size is 64.0 MiB, maximum usable slot size is 65472
+I: cpu-x86.c: CPU flags: CMOV MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 
+I: svolume_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized functions.
+I: remap_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized remappers.
+I: svolume_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized functions.
+I: remap_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized remappers.
+I: sconv_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized conversions.
+I: svolume_orc.c: Initialising ORC optimized functions.
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-device-volumes.tdb'
+I: module-device-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-device-volumes'.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-device-restore" (index: #0; argument: "").
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-stream-volumes.tdb'
+I: module-stream-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-stream-volumes'.
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1 added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-stream-restore" (index: #1; argument: "").
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-card-database.tdb'
+I: module-card-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/root/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-card-database'.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-card-restore" (index: #2; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-augment-properties" (index: #3; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-udev-detect.so': success
+D: module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC0 is accessible: yes
+D: module-udev-detect.c: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/sound/card0 is busy: yes
+I: module-udev-detect.c: Found 1 cards.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-udev-detect" (index: #4; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-bluetooth-discover.so': failure
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-esound-protocol-unix.so': success
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-esound-protocol-unix" (index: #5; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-native-protocol-unix" (index: #6; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-dbus-protocol.so': success
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Memstats added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/memstats
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module2
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module3
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module4
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module5
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module6
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1 added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-dbus-protocol" (index: #7; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-gconf.so': failure
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-default-device-restore" (index: #8; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-rescue-streams" (index: #9; argument: "").
+D: module-always-sink.c: Autoloading null-sink as no other sinks detected.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: sink:auto_null (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-device-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: sink:auto_null
+D: module-device-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: sink:auto_null. Ignoring.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: sink:auto_null (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-device-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: sink:auto_null
+D: module-device-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: sink:auto_null. Ignoring.
+I: sink.c: Created sink 0 "auto_null" with sample spec s16le 2ch 44100Hz and channel map front-left,front-right
+I: sink.c:     device.description = "Dummy Output"
+I: sink.c:     device.class = "abstract"
+I: sink.c:     device.icon_name = "audio-card"
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to change event.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: source:auto_null.monitor (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-device-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: source:auto_null.monitor
+D: module-device-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: source:auto_null.monitor. Ignoring.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: source:auto_null.monitor (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-device-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: source:auto_null.monitor
+D: module-device-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-device-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: source:auto_null.monitor. Ignoring.
+I: source.c: Created source 0 "auto_null.monitor" with sample spec s16le 2ch 44100Hz and channel map front-left,front-right
+I: source.c:     device.description = "Monitor of Dummy Output"
+I: source.c:     device.class = "monitor"
+I: source.c:     device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
+D: module-null-sink.c: Thread starting up
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Device added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/source0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Source added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/source0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Device added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/sink0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Sink added for object /org/pulseaudio/core1/sink0
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-null-sink" (index: #10; argument: "sink_name=auto_null sink_properties='device.description="Dummy Output"'").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-always-sink" (index: #11; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-intended-roles" (index: #12; argument: "").
+D: module-suspend-on-idle.c: Sink auto_null becomes idle, timeout in 5 seconds.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-suspend-on-idle" (index: #13; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-console-kit.so': success
+D: dbus-util.c: Successfully connected to D-Bus system bus 2562668d56da0013bf6cdd4200000020 as :1.131
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-console-kit" (index: #14; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-position-event-sounds" (index: #15; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-cork-music-on-phone" (index: #16; argument: "").
+E: server-lookup.c: Unable to contact D-Bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.                                                                                                               
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-device-restore" (index: #0).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-device-restore" (index: #0).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-stream-restore" (index: #1).
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1 removed from object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-stream-restore" (index: #1).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-card-restore" (index: #2).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-card-restore" (index: #2).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-augment-properties" (index: #3).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-augment-properties" (index: #3).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-udev-detect" (index: #4).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-udev-detect" (index: #4).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-esound-protocol-unix" (index: #5).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-esound-protocol-unix" (index: #5).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-native-protocol-unix" (index: #6).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-native-protocol-unix" (index: #6).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-dbus-protocol" (index: #7).
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1 removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Device removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/sink0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Sink removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/sink0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Device removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/source0
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: flist.c: pulsecore/hashmap.c: entries flist is full (don't worry)
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Source removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/source0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module2
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module3
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module4
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module5
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Module removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/module6
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Core1.Memstats removed from object /org/pulseaudio/core1/memstats
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-dbus-protocol" (index: #7).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-default-device-restore" (index: #8).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-default-device-restore" (index: #8).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-rescue-streams" (index: #9).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-rescue-streams" (index: #9).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-null-sink" (index: #10).
+D: module-always-sink.c: Autoloaded null-sink removed
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+D: module-null-sink.c: Thread shutting down
+I: sink.c: Freeing sink 0 "auto_null"
+I: source.c: Freeing source 0 "auto_null.monitor"
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-null-sink" (index: #10).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-always-sink" (index: #11).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-always-sink" (index: #11).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-intended-roles" (index: #12).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-intended-roles" (index: #12).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-suspend-on-idle" (index: #13).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-suspend-on-idle" (index: #13).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-console-kit" (index: #14).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-console-kit" (index: #14).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-position-event-sounds" (index: #15).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-position-event-sounds" (index: #15).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: module.c: Unloading "module-cork-music-on-phone" (index: #16).
+I: module.c: Unloaded "module-cork-music-on-phone" (index: #16).
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to remove event.
+I: main.c: 幕後程�已終止。
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+E: main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such file or directory
+I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted
+I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted
+D: core-rtclock.c: Timer slack is set to 50 us.
+I: core-util.c: Failed to acquire high-priority scheduling: Input/output error
+I: main.c: This is PulseAudio 0.99.1
+D: main.c: Compilation host: x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu
+D: main.c: Compilation CFLAGS: -O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wall -W -Wextra -Wno-long-long -Wvla -Wno-overlength-strings -Wunsafe-loop-optimizations -Wundef -Wformat=2 -Wlogical-op -Wsign-compare -Wformat-security -Wmissing-include-dirs -Wformat-nonliteral -Wpointer-arith -Winit-self -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wfloat-equal -Wmissing-prototypes -Wredundant-decls -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-noreturn -Wshadow -Wendif-labels -Wcast-align -Wstrict-aliasing -Wwrite-strings -Wno-unused-parameter -ffast-math -fno-common -fdiagnostics-show-option
+D: main.c: Running on host: Linux x86_64 3.0.0-desktop-1.mga2 #1 SMP Fri Jul 22 10:04:16 UTC 2011
+D: main.c: Found 1 CPUs.
+I: main.c: Page size is 4096 bytes
+D: main.c: Compiled with Valgrind support: no
+D: main.c: Running in valgrind mode: no
+D: main.c: Running in VM: yes
+D: main.c: Optimized build: yes
+D: main.c: All asserts enabled.
+I: main.c: Machine ID is e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143.
+I: main.c: Session ID is e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-1312530886.373452-1205834450.
+I: main.c: Using runtime directory /home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-runtime.
+I: main.c: Using state directory /home/kira/.pulse.
+I: main.c: Using modules directory /usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules.
+I: main.c: Running in system mode: no
+W: pid.c: Stale PID file, overwriting.
+I: main.c: Fresh high-resolution timers available! Bon appetit!
+D: memblock.c: Using shared memory pool with 1024 slots of size 64.0 KiB each, total size is 64.0 MiB, maximum usable slot size is 65472
+I: cpu-x86.c: CPU flags: CMOV MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 
+I: svolume_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized functions.
+I: remap_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized remappers.
+I: svolume_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized functions.
+I: remap_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized remappers.
+I: sconv_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized conversions.
+I: svolume_orc.c: Initialising ORC optimized functions.
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-device-volumes.tdb'
+I: module-device-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-device-volumes'.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-device-restore" (index: #0; argument: "").
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-stream-volumes.tdb'
+I: module-stream-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-stream-volumes'.
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1 added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry2
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry3
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry4
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry5
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry6
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry7
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry8
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-stream-restore" (index: #1; argument: "").
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-card-database.tdb'
+I: module-card-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-card-database'.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-card-restore" (index: #2; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-augment-properties" (index: #3; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-udev-detect.so': success
+D: module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC0 is accessible: yes
+D: module-udev-detect.c: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/sound/card0 is busy: no
+D: module-udev-detect.c: Loading module-alsa-card with arguments 'device_id="0" name="pci-0000_00_05.0" card_name="alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0" namereg_fail=false tsched=yes ignore_dB=no sync_volume=yes card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1"'
+D: dbus-util.c: Successfully connected to D-Bus session bus 0193ab541bc367ddb52c32a8000006bc as :1.51
+D: reserve-wrap.c: Successfully acquired reservation lock on device 'Audio0'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-mono+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-mono+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-mono+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Stereo (analog-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:analog-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-stereo+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Stereo (analog-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-stereo+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Digital Stereo (IEC958) (iec958-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying iec958:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)setup.c: Cannot obtain info for CTL elem (MIXER,'IEC958 Capture Switch',0,0,0): No such file or directory
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device iec958:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-40
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.0 (analog-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround40:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-40+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.0 (analog-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround40:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-40+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.0 (analog-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround40:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-40+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.0 (analog-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround40:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-41
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.1 (analog-surround-41)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround41:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-41+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.1 (analog-surround-41)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround41:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-41+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.1 (analog-surround-41)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround41:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-41+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.1 (analog-surround-41)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround41:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-50
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.0 (analog-surround-50)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround50:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-50+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.0 (analog-surround-50)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround50:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-50+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.0 (analog-surround-50)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround50:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-50+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.0 (analog-surround-50)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround50:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-51
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.1 (analog-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround51:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-51+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.1 (analog-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround51:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-51+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.1 (analog-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround51:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-51+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.1 (analog-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround51:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-71
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 7.1 (analog-surround-71)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround71:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-71+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 7.1 (analog-surround-71)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround71:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-71+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 7.1 (analog-surround-71)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround71:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-71+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 7.1 (analog-surround-71)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround71:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (IEC958) (iec958-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying iec958:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open iec958:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:iec958-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-stereo+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-stereo+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Stereo (analog-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:iec958-stereo+input:analog-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-stereo+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Digital Stereo (IEC958) (iec958-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying iec958:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)setup.c: Cannot obtain info for CTL elem (MIXER,'IEC958 Capture Switch',0,0,0): No such file or directory
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device iec958:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-40
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 4.0 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-40+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 4.0 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-40+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 4.0 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-40+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 4.0 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-51
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 5.1 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-51+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 5.1 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-51+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 5.1 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-51+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 5.1 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:hdmi-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (HDMI) (hdmi-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hdmi:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_hw.c: open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D3p' failed (-2)
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hdmi:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:hdmi-stereo+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (HDMI) (hdmi-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hdmi:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_hw.c: open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D3p' failed (-2)
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hdmi:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:hdmi-stereo+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (HDMI) (hdmi-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hdmi:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_hw.c: open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D3p' failed (-2)
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hdmi:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:hdmi-stereo+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (HDMI) (hdmi-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hdmi:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_hw.c: open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D3p' failed (-2)
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hdmi:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Stereo (analog-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile input:analog-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Digital Stereo (IEC958) (iec958-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying iec958:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)setup.c: Cannot obtain info for CTL elem (MIXER,'IEC958 Capture Switch',0,0,0): No such file or directory
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device iec958:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile set 0xf933a0, auto_profiles=yes, probed=yes, n_mappings=2, n_profiles=5, n_decibel_fixes=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Mapping analog-stereo (Analog Stereo), priority=60, channel_map=front-left,front-right, supported=yes, direction=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Mapping iec958-stereo (Digital Stereo (IEC958)), priority=55, channel_map=front-left,front-right, supported=yes, direction=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:analog-stereo (Analog Stereo Output), priority=6000, supported=yes n_input_mappings=0, n_output_mappings=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Output analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo (Analog Stereo Duplex), priority=6060, supported=yes n_input_mappings=1, n_output_mappings=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Input analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Output analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:iec958-stereo (Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output), priority=5500, supported=yes n_input_mappings=0, n_output_mappings=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Output iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:iec958-stereo+input:analog-stereo (Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output + Analog Stereo Input), priority=5560, supported=yes n_input_mappings=1, n_output_mappings=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Input analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Output iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile input:analog-stereo (Analog Stereo Input), priority=60, supported=yes n_input_mappings=1, n_output_mappings=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Input analog-stereo
+D: module-card-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0 (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-card-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0
+D: module-card-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-card-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0. Ignoring.
+I: card.c: Created 0 "alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0"
+N: alsa-util.c: Disabling timer-based scheduling because running inside a VM.
+D: reserve-wrap.c: Successfully create reservation lock monitor for device 'Audio0'
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+I: alsa-sink.c: Successfully opened device front:0.
+I: alsa-sink.c: Selected mapping 'Analog Stereo' (analog-stereo).
+I: alsa-sink.c: Successfully enabled mmap() mode.
+I: (alsa-lib)control.c: Invalid CTL front:0
+I: alsa-mixer.c: Unable to attach to mixer front:0: No such file or directory
+I: alsa-mixer.c: Successfully attached to mixer 'hw:0'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=3, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Speaker' succeeded (volume=2, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Desktop Speaker' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Surround' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Side' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Center' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'LFE' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'PCM' succeeded (volume=1, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'External Amplifier' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Bass Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Analog Output' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'IEC958 Optical Raw' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-speaker'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=3, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Speaker' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Desktop Speaker' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Surround' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Side' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Center' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'LFE' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'PCM' succeeded (volume=1, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'External Amplifier' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Bass Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Analog Output' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'IEC958 Optical Raw' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-speaker'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=3, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Speaker' succeeded (volume=2, switch=2, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Desktop Speaker' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-headphones'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Speaker' succeeded (volume=2, switch=2, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Desktop Speaker' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Surround' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Side' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Center' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'LFE' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'PCM' succeeded (volume=1, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'External Amplifier' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Bass Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Analog Output' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'IEC958 Optical Raw' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-headphones'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=3, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-mono'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=2, switch=2, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-lfe-on-mono'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Found mixer paths (before tidying):
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path Set 0xf9fb90, direction=1, probed=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output (Analog Output), direction=1, priority=99, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100051, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=3, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=1, volume=2, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-speaker (Analog Speakers), direction=1, priority=100, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=3, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-headphones (Analog Headphones), direction=1, priority=90, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=2, volume=2, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Removing path 'analog-output' as it is a subset of 'analog-output-speaker'.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Available mixer paths (after tidying):
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path Set 0xf9fb90, direction=1, probed=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-speaker (Analog Speakers), direction=1, priority=100, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=3, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-headphones (Analog Headphones), direction=1, priority=90, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=2, volume=2, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Added 2 ports
+I: module-device-restore.c: Restoring volume for sink alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo.
+I: module-device-restore.c: Restoring mute state for sink alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo.
+I: sink.c: Created sink 0 "alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo" with sample spec s16le 2ch 44100Hz and channel map front-left,front-right
+I: sink.c:     alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
+I: sink.c:     device.api = "alsa"
+I: sink.c:     device.class = "sound"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.class = "generic"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.name = "STAC92xx Analog"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.id = "STAC92xx Analog"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.subdevice = "0"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.device = "0"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.card = "0"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel at 0xf0804000 irq 41"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel"
+I: sink.c:     device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:05.0"
+I: sink.c:     sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/sound/card0"
+I: sink.c:     device.bus = "pci"
+I: sink.c:     device.vendor.id = "8086"
+I: sink.c:     device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+I: sink.c:     device.product.id = "2668"
+I: sink.c:     device.product.name = "82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller"
+I: sink.c:     device.form_factor = "internal"
+I: sink.c:     device.string = "front:0"
+I: sink.c:     device.buffering.buffer_size = "17664"
+I: sink.c:     device.buffering.fragment_size = "2944"
+I: sink.c:     device.access_mode = "mmap"
+I: sink.c:     device.profile.name = "analog-stereo"
+I: sink.c:     device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo"
+I: sink.c:     device.description = "Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.mixer_name = "SigmaTel STAC9221 A1"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.components = "HDA:83847680,83847680,00103401"
+I: sink.c:     module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+I: sink.c:     device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to change event.
+I: source.c: Created source 0 "alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo.monitor" with sample spec s16le 2ch 44100Hz and channel map front-left,front-right
+I: source.c:     device.description = "Monitor of Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
+I: source.c:     device.class = "monitor"
+I: source.c:     alsa.card = "0"
+I: source.c:     alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel"
+I: source.c:     alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel at 0xf0804000 irq 41"
+I: source.c:     alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel"
+I: source.c:     device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:05.0"
+I: source.c:     sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/sound/card0"
+I: source.c:     device.bus = "pci"
+I: source.c:     device.vendor.id = "8086"
+I: source.c:     device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+I: source.c:     device.product.id = "2668"
+I: source.c:     device.product.name = "82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller"
+I: source.c:     device.form_factor = "internal"
+I: source.c:     device.string = "0"
+I: source.c:     module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+I: source.c:     device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+I: alsa-sink.c: Using 6.0 fragments of size 2944 bytes (16.69ms), buffer size is 17664 bytes (100.14ms)
+D: alsa-sink.c: hwbuf_unused=0
+D: alsa-sink.c: setting avail_min=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Activating path analog-output-speaker
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-speaker (Analog Speakers), direction=1, priority=100, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=3, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+I: alsa-sink.c: Successfully enabled synchronous volume.
+I: alsa-sink.c: Hardware volume ranges from -100098.99 dB to 0.00 dB.
+I: alsa-sink.c: Fixing base volume to 0.00 dB
+I: alsa-sink.c: Using hardware volume control. Hardware dB scale supported.
+I: alsa-sink.c: Using hardware mute control.
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_dump():
+D: alsa-util.c: Soft volume PCM
+D: alsa-util.c: Control: PCM Playback Volume
+D: alsa-util.c: min_dB: -51
+D: alsa-util.c: max_dB: 0
+D: alsa-util.c: resolution: 256
+D: alsa-util.c: Its setup is:
+D: alsa-util.c:   stream       : PLAYBACK
+D: alsa-util.c:   access       : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
+D: alsa-util.c:   format       : S16_LE
+D: alsa-util.c:   subformat    : STD
+D: alsa-util.c:   channels     : 2
+D: alsa-util.c:   rate         : 44100
+D: alsa-util.c:   exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
+D: alsa-util.c:   msbits       : 16
+D: alsa-util.c:   buffer_size  : 4416
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_size  : 736
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_time  : 16689
+D: alsa-util.c:   tstamp_mode  : ENABLE
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_step  : 1
+D: alsa-util.c:   avail_min    : 736
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_event : 1
+D: alsa-util.c:   start_threshold  : -1
+D: alsa-util.c:   stop_threshold   : 4971973988617027584
+D: alsa-util.c:   silence_threshold: 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   silence_size : 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   boundary     : 4971973988617027584
+D: alsa-util.c: Slave: Hardware PCM card 0 'HDA Intel' device 0 subdevice 0
+D: alsa-util.c: Its setup is:
+D: alsa-util.c:   stream       : PLAYBACK
+D: alsa-util.c:   access       : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
+D: alsa-util.c:   format       : S16_LE
+D: alsa-util.c:   subformat    : STD
+D: alsa-util.c:   channels     : 2
+D: alsa-util.c:   rate         : 44100
+D: alsa-util.c:   exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
+D: alsa-util.c:   msbits       : 16
+D: alsa-util.c:   buffer_size  : 4416
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_size  : 736
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_time  : 16689
+D: alsa-util.c:   tstamp_mode  : ENABLE
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_step  : 1
+D: alsa-util.c:   avail_min    : 736
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_event : 1
+D: alsa-util.c:   start_threshold  : -1
+D: alsa-util.c:   stop_threshold   : 4971973988617027584
+D: alsa-util.c:   silence_threshold: 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   silence_size : 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   boundary     : 4971973988617027584
+D: alsa-util.c:   appl_ptr     : 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   hw_ptr       : 0
+D: alsa-sink.c: Requested volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+D: alsa-sink.c:            in dB: 0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+D: alsa-sink.c: Got hardware volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+D: alsa-sink.c:               in dB: 0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+D: alsa-sink.c: Calculated software volume: 0: 100% 1: 100% (accurate-enough=yes)
+D: alsa-sink.c:                      in dB: 0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+D: alsa-sink.c: Thread starting up
+I: core-util.c: Failed to acquire real-time scheduling: Input/output error
+I: alsa-sink.c: Starting playback.
+N: alsa-util.c: Disabling timer-based scheduling because running inside a VM.
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+I: alsa-source.c: Successfully opened device front:0.
+I: alsa-source.c: Selected mapping 'Analog Stereo' (analog-stereo).
+I: alsa-source.c: Successfully enabled mmap() mode.
+I: (alsa-lib)control.c: Invalid CTL front:0
+I: alsa-mixer.c: Unable to attach to mixer front:0: No such file or directory
+I: alsa-mixer.c: Successfully attached to mixer 'hw:0'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone-front'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Skipping path 'analog-input-microphone-front', none of required-any elements preset.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone-rear'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Skipping path 'analog-input-microphone-rear', none of required-any elements preset.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone-internal'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Int Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Int Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Skipping path 'analog-input-microphone-internal', none of required-any elements preset.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone-dock'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Skipping path 'analog-input-microphone-dock', none of required-any elements preset.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Int Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Int Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source Select' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Digital Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Analog Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Shared Mic/Line in' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Auto Gain Control' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Select' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-linein'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-video'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-video'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-radio'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Found mixer paths (before tidying):
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path Set 0xfaa920, direction=2, probed=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-input (Analog Input), direction=2, priority=100, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=14, min_dB=0, max_dB=21
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Capture, direction=2, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=2, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Input Source, direction=2, switch=0, volume=0, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=1, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x0, n_channels=0, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-input-microphone (Analog Microphone), direction=2, priority=89, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=14, min_dB=0, max_dB=21
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Capture, direction=2, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Input Source, direction=2, switch=0, volume=0, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=1, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x0, n_channels=0, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Option Mic (analog-input-microphone/analog-input-microphone) index=0, priority=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Setting analog-input-microphone (analog-input-microphone) priority=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-input-linein (Analog Line-In), direction=2, priority=90, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=14, min_dB=0, max_dB=21
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Capture, direction=2, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Input Source, direction=2, switch=0, volume=0, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=1, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x0, n_channels=0, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Option Line (analog-input-linein/analog-input-linein) index=1, priority=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Setting analog-input-linein (analog-input-linein) priority=0
+E: alsa-mixer.c: Assertion 'a_options' failed at modules/alsa/alsa-mixer.c:2893, function enumeration_is_subset(). Aborting.
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+E: main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such file or directory
+I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted
+I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted
+D: core-rtclock.c: Timer slack is set to 50 us.
+I: core-util.c: Failed to acquire high-priority scheduling: Input/output error
+I: main.c: This is PulseAudio 0.99.1
+D: main.c: Compilation host: x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu
+D: main.c: Compilation CFLAGS: -O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wall -W -Wextra -Wno-long-long -Wvla -Wno-overlength-strings -Wunsafe-loop-optimizations -Wundef -Wformat=2 -Wlogical-op -Wsign-compare -Wformat-security -Wmissing-include-dirs -Wformat-nonliteral -Wpointer-arith -Winit-self -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wfloat-equal -Wmissing-prototypes -Wredundant-decls -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-noreturn -Wshadow -Wendif-labels -Wcast-align -Wstrict-aliasing -Wwrite-strings -Wno-unused-parameter -ffast-math -fno-common -fdiagnostics-show-option
+D: main.c: Running on host: Linux x86_64 3.0.0-desktop-1.mga2 #1 SMP Fri Jul 22 10:04:16 UTC 2011
+D: main.c: Found 1 CPUs.
+I: main.c: Page size is 4096 bytes
+D: main.c: Compiled with Valgrind support: no
+D: main.c: Running in valgrind mode: no
+D: main.c: Running in VM: yes
+D: main.c: Optimized build: yes
+D: main.c: All asserts enabled.
+I: main.c: Machine ID is e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143.
+I: main.c: Session ID is e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-1312530886.373452-1205834450.
+I: main.c: Using runtime directory /home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-runtime.
+I: main.c: Using state directory /home/kira/.pulse.
+I: main.c: Using modules directory /usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules.
+I: main.c: Running in system mode: no
+W: pid.c: Stale PID file, overwriting.
+I: main.c: Fresh high-resolution timers available! Bon appetit!
+D: memblock.c: Using shared memory pool with 1024 slots of size 64.0 KiB each, total size is 64.0 MiB, maximum usable slot size is 65472
+I: cpu-x86.c: CPU flags: CMOV MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 
+I: svolume_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized functions.
+I: remap_mmx.c: Initialising MMX optimized remappers.
+I: svolume_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized functions.
+I: remap_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized remappers.
+I: sconv_sse.c: Initialising SSE2 optimized conversions.
+I: svolume_orc.c: Initialising ORC optimized functions.
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-device-volumes.tdb'
+I: module-device-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-device-volumes'.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-device-restore" (index: #0; argument: "").
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-stream-volumes.tdb'
+I: module-stream-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-stream-volumes'.
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1 added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry0
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry1
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry2
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry3
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry4
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry5
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry6
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry7
+D: protocol-dbus.c: Interface org.PulseAudio.Ext.StreamRestore1.RestoreEntry added for object /org/pulseaudio/stream_restore1/entry8
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-stream-restore" (index: #1; argument: "").
+D: database-tdb.c: Opened TDB database '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-card-database.tdb'
+I: module-card-restore.c: Successfully opened database file '/home/kira/.pulse/e637bf3d9d3489547a4b726900000143-card-database'.
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-card-restore" (index: #2; argument: "").
+I: module.c: Loaded "module-augment-properties" (index: #3; argument: "").
+D: cli-command.c: Checking for existance of '/usr/lib64/pulse-0.99/modules/module-udev-detect.so': success
+D: module-udev-detect.c: /dev/snd/controlC0 is accessible: yes
+D: module-udev-detect.c: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/sound/card0 is busy: no
+D: module-udev-detect.c: Loading module-alsa-card with arguments 'device_id="0" name="pci-0000_00_05.0" card_name="alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0" namereg_fail=false tsched=yes ignore_dB=no sync_volume=yes card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1"'
+D: dbus-util.c: Successfully connected to D-Bus session bus 0193ab541bc367ddb52c32a8000006bc as :1.51
+D: reserve-wrap.c: Successfully acquired reservation lock on device 'Audio0'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-mono+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-mono+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-mono+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Stereo (analog-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:analog-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-stereo+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Stereo (analog-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-stereo+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Digital Stereo (IEC958) (iec958-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying iec958:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)setup.c: Cannot obtain info for CTL elem (MIXER,'IEC958 Capture Switch',0,0,0): No such file or directory
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device iec958:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-40
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.0 (analog-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround40:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-40+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.0 (analog-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround40:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-40+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.0 (analog-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround40:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-40+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.0 (analog-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround40:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround40:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(4) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround40:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-41
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.1 (analog-surround-41)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround41:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-41+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.1 (analog-surround-41)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround41:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-41+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.1 (analog-surround-41)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround41:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-41+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 4.1 (analog-surround-41)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround41:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround41:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround41:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround41:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-50
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.0 (analog-surround-50)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround50:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-50+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.0 (analog-surround-50)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround50:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-50+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.0 (analog-surround-50)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround50:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-50+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.0 (analog-surround-50)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround50:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround50:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround50:0
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_params.c: Slave PCM not usable
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_any() failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround50:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-51
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.1 (analog-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround51:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-51+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.1 (analog-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround51:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-51+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.1 (analog-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround51:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-51+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 5.1 (analog-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround51:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround51:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(6) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround51:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-71
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 7.1 (analog-surround-71)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround71:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-71+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 7.1 (analog-surround-71)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround71:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-71+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 7.1 (analog-surround-71)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround71:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:analog-surround-71+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Analog Surround 7.1 (analog-surround-71)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:surround71:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:surround71:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(8) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:surround71:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (IEC958) (iec958-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying iec958:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open iec958:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:iec958-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-stereo+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-stereo+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Stereo (analog-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:iec958-stereo+input:analog-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-stereo+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Digital Stereo (IEC958) (iec958-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying iec958:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)setup.c: Cannot obtain info for CTL elem (MIXER,'IEC958 Capture Switch',0,0,0): No such file or directory
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device iec958:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-40
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 4.0 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-40+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 4.0 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-40+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 4.0 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-40+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 4.0 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-40)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-51
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 5.1 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-51+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 5.1 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-51+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 5.1 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:iec958-ac3-surround-51+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Surround 5.1 (IEC958/AC3) (iec958-ac3-surround-51)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying a52:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm.c: Unknown PCM a52:0
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device a52:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:hdmi-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (HDMI) (hdmi-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hdmi:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_hw.c: open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D3p' failed (-2)
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hdmi:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:hdmi-stereo+input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (HDMI) (hdmi-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hdmi:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_hw.c: open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D3p' failed (-2)
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hdmi:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:hdmi-stereo+input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (HDMI) (hdmi-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hdmi:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_hw.c: open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D3p' failed (-2)
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hdmi:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile output:hdmi-stereo+input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for playback on Digital Stereo (HDMI) (hdmi-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hdmi:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)pcm_hw.c: open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D3p' failed (-2)
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device hdmi:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile input:analog-mono
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Mono (analog-mono)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying plug:hw:0 without SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open plug:hw:0
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_channels(1) failed: Invalid argument
+I: alsa-util.c: Failed to set hardware parameters on plug:hw:0: Invalid argument
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile input:analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Analog Stereo (analog-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile input:analog-stereo supported.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Looking at profile input:iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Checking for recording on Digital Stereo (IEC958) (iec958-stereo)
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying iec958:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+I: (alsa-lib)setup.c: Cannot obtain info for CTL elem (MIXER,'IEC958 Capture Switch',0,0,0): No such file or directory
+I: alsa-util.c: Error opening PCM device iec958:0: No such file or directory
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile set 0xf933a0, auto_profiles=yes, probed=yes, n_mappings=2, n_profiles=5, n_decibel_fixes=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Mapping analog-stereo (Analog Stereo), priority=60, channel_map=front-left,front-right, supported=yes, direction=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Mapping iec958-stereo (Digital Stereo (IEC958)), priority=55, channel_map=front-left,front-right, supported=yes, direction=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:analog-stereo (Analog Stereo Output), priority=6000, supported=yes n_input_mappings=0, n_output_mappings=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Output analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo (Analog Stereo Duplex), priority=6060, supported=yes n_input_mappings=1, n_output_mappings=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Input analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Output analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:iec958-stereo (Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output), priority=5500, supported=yes n_input_mappings=0, n_output_mappings=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Output iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile output:iec958-stereo+input:analog-stereo (Digital Stereo (IEC958) Output + Analog Stereo Input), priority=5560, supported=yes n_input_mappings=1, n_output_mappings=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Input analog-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Output iec958-stereo
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Profile input:analog-stereo (Analog Stereo Input), priority=60, supported=yes n_input_mappings=1, n_output_mappings=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Input analog-stereo
+D: module-card-restore.c: Database contains invalid data for key: alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0 (probably pre-v1.0 data)
+D: module-card-restore.c: Attempting to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0
+D: module-card-restore.c: Size does not match.
+D: module-card-restore.c: Unable to load legacy (pre-v1.0) data for key: alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0. Ignoring.
+I: card.c: Created 0 "alsa_card.pci-0000_00_05.0"
+N: alsa-util.c: Disabling timer-based scheduling because running inside a VM.
+D: reserve-wrap.c: Successfully create reservation lock monitor for device 'Audio0'
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+I: alsa-sink.c: Successfully opened device front:0.
+I: alsa-sink.c: Selected mapping 'Analog Stereo' (analog-stereo).
+I: alsa-sink.c: Successfully enabled mmap() mode.
+I: (alsa-lib)control.c: Invalid CTL front:0
+I: alsa-mixer.c: Unable to attach to mixer front:0: No such file or directory
+I: alsa-mixer.c: Successfully attached to mixer 'hw:0'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=3, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Speaker' succeeded (volume=2, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Desktop Speaker' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Surround' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Side' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Center' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'LFE' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'PCM' succeeded (volume=1, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'External Amplifier' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Bass Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Analog Output' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'IEC958 Optical Raw' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-speaker'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=3, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Speaker' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Desktop Speaker' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Surround' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Side' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Center' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'LFE' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'PCM' succeeded (volume=1, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'External Amplifier' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Bass Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Analog Output' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'IEC958 Optical Raw' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-speaker'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=3, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Speaker' succeeded (volume=2, switch=2, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Desktop Speaker' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-headphones'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Speaker' succeeded (volume=2, switch=2, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Desktop Speaker' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Surround' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Side' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Center' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'LFE' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'PCM' succeeded (volume=1, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'External Amplifier' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Bass Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Analog Output' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'IEC958 Optical Raw' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-headphones'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone' succeeded (volume=3, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Headphone2' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-mono'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=2, switch=2, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-output-lfe-on-mono'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Hardware Master' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Master Mono' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Found mixer paths (before tidying):
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path Set 0xf9fb90, direction=1, probed=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output (Analog Output), direction=1, priority=99, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100051, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=3, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=1, volume=2, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-speaker (Analog Speakers), direction=1, priority=100, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=3, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-headphones (Analog Headphones), direction=1, priority=90, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=2, volume=2, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Removing path 'analog-output' as it is a subset of 'analog-output-speaker'.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Available mixer paths (after tidying):
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path Set 0xf9fb90, direction=1, probed=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-speaker (Analog Speakers), direction=1, priority=100, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=3, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-headphones (Analog Headphones), direction=1, priority=90, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=2, volume=2, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Added 2 ports
+I: module-device-restore.c: Restoring volume for sink alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo.
+I: module-device-restore.c: Restoring mute state for sink alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo.
+I: sink.c: Created sink 0 "alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo" with sample spec s16le 2ch 44100Hz and channel map front-left,front-right
+I: sink.c:     alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
+I: sink.c:     device.api = "alsa"
+I: sink.c:     device.class = "sound"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.class = "generic"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.name = "STAC92xx Analog"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.id = "STAC92xx Analog"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.subdevice = "0"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.device = "0"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.card = "0"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel at 0xf0804000 irq 41"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel"
+I: sink.c:     device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:05.0"
+I: sink.c:     sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/sound/card0"
+I: sink.c:     device.bus = "pci"
+I: sink.c:     device.vendor.id = "8086"
+I: sink.c:     device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+I: sink.c:     device.product.id = "2668"
+I: sink.c:     device.product.name = "82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller"
+I: sink.c:     device.form_factor = "internal"
+I: sink.c:     device.string = "front:0"
+I: sink.c:     device.buffering.buffer_size = "17664"
+I: sink.c:     device.buffering.fragment_size = "2944"
+I: sink.c:     device.access_mode = "mmap"
+I: sink.c:     device.profile.name = "analog-stereo"
+I: sink.c:     device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo"
+I: sink.c:     device.description = "Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.mixer_name = "SigmaTel STAC9221 A1"
+I: sink.c:     alsa.components = "HDA:83847680,83847680,00103401"
+I: sink.c:     module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+I: sink.c:     device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+D: core-subscribe.c: Dropped redundant event due to change event.
+I: source.c: Created source 0 "alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo.monitor" with sample spec s16le 2ch 44100Hz and channel map front-left,front-right
+I: source.c:     device.description = "Monitor of Internal Audio Analog Stereo"
+I: source.c:     device.class = "monitor"
+I: source.c:     alsa.card = "0"
+I: source.c:     alsa.card_name = "HDA Intel"
+I: source.c:     alsa.long_card_name = "HDA Intel at 0xf0804000 irq 41"
+I: source.c:     alsa.driver_name = "snd_hda_intel"
+I: source.c:     device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:05.0"
+I: source.c:     sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/sound/card0"
+I: source.c:     device.bus = "pci"
+I: source.c:     device.vendor.id = "8086"
+I: source.c:     device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+I: source.c:     device.product.id = "2668"
+I: source.c:     device.product.name = "82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller"
+I: source.c:     device.form_factor = "internal"
+I: source.c:     device.string = "0"
+I: source.c:     module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+I: source.c:     device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+I: alsa-sink.c: Using 6.0 fragments of size 2944 bytes (16.69ms), buffer size is 17664 bytes (100.14ms)
+D: alsa-sink.c: hwbuf_unused=0
+D: alsa-sink.c: setting avail_min=1
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Activating path analog-output-speaker
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-output-speaker (Analog Speakers), direction=1, priority=100, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=64, min_dB=-100099, max_dB=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Master, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x7ffffffffffff, n_channels=1, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Headphone, direction=1, switch=1, volume=3, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x6, n_channels=2, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Speaker, direction=1, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=4, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element PCM, direction=1, switch=0, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+I: alsa-sink.c: Successfully enabled synchronous volume.
+I: alsa-sink.c: Hardware volume ranges from -100098.99 dB to 0.00 dB.
+I: alsa-sink.c: Fixing base volume to 0.00 dB
+I: alsa-sink.c: Using hardware volume control. Hardware dB scale supported.
+I: alsa-sink.c: Using hardware mute control.
+D: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_dump():
+D: alsa-util.c: Soft volume PCM
+D: alsa-util.c: Control: PCM Playback Volume
+D: alsa-util.c: min_dB: -51
+D: alsa-util.c: max_dB: 0
+D: alsa-util.c: resolution: 256
+D: alsa-util.c: Its setup is:
+D: alsa-util.c:   stream       : PLAYBACK
+D: alsa-util.c:   access       : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
+D: alsa-util.c:   format       : S16_LE
+D: alsa-util.c:   subformat    : STD
+D: alsa-util.c:   channels     : 2
+D: alsa-util.c:   rate         : 44100
+D: alsa-util.c:   exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
+D: alsa-util.c:   msbits       : 16
+D: alsa-util.c:   buffer_size  : 4416
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_size  : 736
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_time  : 16689
+D: alsa-util.c:   tstamp_mode  : ENABLE
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_step  : 1
+D: alsa-util.c:   avail_min    : 736
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_event : 1
+D: alsa-util.c:   start_threshold  : -1
+D: alsa-util.c:   stop_threshold   : 4971973988617027584
+D: alsa-util.c:   silence_threshold: 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   silence_size : 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   boundary     : 4971973988617027584
+D: alsa-util.c: Slave: Hardware PCM card 0 'HDA Intel' device 0 subdevice 0
+D: alsa-util.c: Its setup is:
+D: alsa-util.c:   stream       : PLAYBACK
+D: alsa-util.c:   access       : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
+D: alsa-util.c:   format       : S16_LE
+D: alsa-util.c:   subformat    : STD
+D: alsa-util.c:   channels     : 2
+D: alsa-util.c:   rate         : 44100
+D: alsa-util.c:   exact rate   : 44100 (44100/1)
+D: alsa-util.c:   msbits       : 16
+D: alsa-util.c:   buffer_size  : 4416
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_size  : 736
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_time  : 16689
+D: alsa-util.c:   tstamp_mode  : ENABLE
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_step  : 1
+D: alsa-util.c:   avail_min    : 736
+D: alsa-util.c:   period_event : 1
+D: alsa-util.c:   start_threshold  : -1
+D: alsa-util.c:   stop_threshold   : 4971973988617027584
+D: alsa-util.c:   silence_threshold: 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   silence_size : 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   boundary     : 4971973988617027584
+D: alsa-util.c:   appl_ptr     : 0
+D: alsa-util.c:   hw_ptr       : 0
+D: alsa-sink.c: Requested volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+D: alsa-sink.c:            in dB: 0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+D: alsa-sink.c: Got hardware volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+D: alsa-sink.c:               in dB: 0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+D: alsa-sink.c: Calculated software volume: 0: 100% 1: 100% (accurate-enough=yes)
+D: alsa-sink.c:                      in dB: 0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+D: alsa-sink.c: Thread starting up
+I: core-util.c: Failed to acquire real-time scheduling: Input/output error
+I: alsa-sink.c: Starting playback.
+N: alsa-util.c: Disabling timer-based scheduling because running inside a VM.
+D: alsa-util.c: Trying front:0 with SND_PCM_NO_AUTO_FORMAT ...
+D: alsa-util.c: Managed to open front:0
+D: alsa-util.c: Maximum hw buffer size is 23777 ms
+D: alsa-util.c: Set buffer size first (to 4408 samples), period size second (to 1102 samples).
+I: alsa-source.c: Successfully opened device front:0.
+I: alsa-source.c: Selected mapping 'Analog Stereo' (analog-stereo).
+I: alsa-source.c: Successfully enabled mmap() mode.
+I: (alsa-lib)control.c: Invalid CTL front:0
+I: alsa-mixer.c: Unable to attach to mixer front:0: No such file or directory
+I: alsa-mixer.c: Successfully attached to mixer 'hw:0'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone-front'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Skipping path 'analog-input-microphone-front', none of required-any elements preset.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone-rear'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Skipping path 'analog-input-microphone-rear', none of required-any elements preset.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone-internal'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Int Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Int Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Skipping path 'analog-input-microphone-internal', none of required-any elements preset.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone-dock'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Skipping path 'analog-input-microphone-dock', none of required-any elements preset.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Int Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Int Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source Select' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Digital Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Analog Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Shared Mic/Line in' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Auto Gain Control' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-microphone'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Select' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Boost (+20dB)' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Front Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Rear Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Dock Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-linein'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Input Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=1).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture Source' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic Jack Mode' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-video'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-video'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input-radio'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'TV Tuner' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'FM' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probing path 'analog-input'
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Capture' succeeded (volume=1, switch=1, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Internal Mic' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Line Boost' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Aux' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Video' succeeded (volume=0, switch=0, enumeration=0).
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Probe of element 'Mic/Line' failed.
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Found mixer paths (before tidying):
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path Set 0xfaa920, direction=2, probed=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-input (Analog Input), direction=2, priority=100, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=14, min_dB=0, max_dB=21
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Capture, direction=2, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=2, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Input Source, direction=2, switch=0, volume=0, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=1, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x0, n_channels=0, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-input-microphone (Analog Microphone), direction=2, priority=89, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=14, min_dB=0, max_dB=21
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Capture, direction=2, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Input Source, direction=2, switch=0, volume=0, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=1, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x0, n_channels=0, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Option Mic (analog-input-microphone/analog-input-microphone) index=0, priority=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Setting analog-input-microphone (analog-input-microphone) priority=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Path analog-input-linein (Analog Line-In), direction=2, priority=90, probed=yes, supported=yes, has_mute=yes, has_volume=yes, has_dB=yes, min_volume=0, max_volume=14, min_dB=0, max_dB=21
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Capture, direction=2, switch=1, volume=1, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=0, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x3600000000f66, n_channels=2, override_map=yes
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Element Input Source, direction=2, switch=0, volume=0, volume_limit=-1, enumeration=1, required=0, required_any=0, required_absent=0, mask=0x0, n_channels=0, override_map=no
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Option Line (analog-input-linein/analog-input-linein) index=1, priority=0
+D: alsa-mixer.c: Setting analog-input-linein (analog-input-linein) priority=0
+E: alsa-mixer.c: Assertion 'a_options' failed at modules/alsa/alsa-mixer.c:2893, function enumeration_is_subset(). Aborting.
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Why condicional suggest?<br>All what i'm asking is ti do that subpackage and then i place<br>Suggests: samba-squid-helper<br>At squid's spec<br><br>I don't get your point.<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Connect&#233;s par MOTOBLUR&#8482;</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Message d'origine-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De : </b>Maarten Vanraes &lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>À : </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Envoyé : </b>ven., 05 août 2011, 17:48:34 UTC+00:00<b><br>Objet : </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] new samba-squid subpackage proporsal<br><br></div>Op vrijdag 05 augustus 2011 19:05:43 schreef Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz:<br>> Le Vendredi 05 Août 2011 18:17:15 Maarten Vanraes a écrit :<br>> > Op woensdag 03 augustus 2011 14:01:16 schreef Buchan Milne:<br>> > > On Tuesday, 2 August 2011 22:23:24 Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>> > > > Op dinsdag 02 augustus 2011 17:04:41 schreef Buchan Milne:<br>> > > > > Samba-common is the right package for this. I see no need to<br>> > > > > have a<br>> > > > > squid- specific subpackage (and then samba-apache,<br>> > > > > samba-freeradius,<br>> > > > > with the same content, or all virtual packages just pulling<br>> > > > > samba-common).<br>> > > > > <br>> > > > > Feel free to mess up your squid package by adding suggests on<br>> > > > > samba-common, but since installing the right package is<br>> > > > > trivially<br>> > > > > solved by the admin and is a small portion of the work required,<br>> > > > > I<br>> > > > > would personally prefer not to increase the default footprint of<br>> > > > > any<br>> > > > > installation that pulls in squid.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > this is really imho an example where conditional suggests could work<br>> > > > well: if you have squid already installed and you're installing<br>> > > > samba,<br>> > > > this subpackage could then be suggested. (and vice versa).<br>> > > <br>> > > But, it is irrelevant. samba-common is required by both samba-client<br>> > > and samba-server, so you can't install samba without getting<br>> > > ntlm_auth.<br>> > <br>> > there is definately a misunderstanding here, conditional suggests are not<br>> > usefull for requires, only for suggests<br>> > <br>> > > This is really about whether squid should pull in any pieces of samba<br>> > > by default, and could be solved by adding:<br>> > > Suggests: samba-common<br>> > > <br>> > > to squid. But, I don't see much value, as this is a small part of the<br>> > > work required to get a single-sign on authentication solution for squid<br>> > > against AD. The default squid.conf already has example configs showing<br>> > > that ntlm_auth is required, and all we are saving the user is a 'urpmf<br>> > > ntlm_auth' and a 'urpmi samba-common'. However, there are many<br>> > > scenarios squid can be deployed (e.g. SSO with GSSAPI, basic auth with<br>> > > LDAP, PAM, NIS etc., no authentication, peer cache only etc.), and I<br>> > > don't see a reason to pull in samba-common by default, when it saves<br>> > > the admin very little effort.<br>> > > <br>> > > Regards,<br>> > > Buchan<br>> > <br>> > well if it was in a separate package (and not in samba-common), it would<br>> > be interesting to have conditional suggests. because then samba would<br>> > pull it in; and squid too, without needing samba if you don't have it.<br>> > <br>> > but, maybe i'm misunderstanding this thread<br>> <br>> That's what i was asking<br>> to create a new subpckage  samba-helper-squid to stor ntlm_auth since<br>> ntlm_auth is not linked with other lib it can stand by itself in a<br>> independend subpackage to make a suggest from squid.  But it seems Buchan<br>> refuses.<br>> <br>> LD<br><br><br>well, it's possible, but since there is no conditional suggests yet, i agree <br>with Buchan. if there was conditional suggests, that would be better...<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Why condicional suggest?<br>All what i'm asking is ti do that subpackage and then i place<br>Suggests: samba-squid-helper<br>At squid's spec<br><br>I don't get your point.<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Connect&#233;s par MOTOBLUR&#8482;</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Message d'origine-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De : </b>Maarten Vanraes &lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>À : </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Envoyé : </b>ven., 05 août 2011, 17:48:34 UTC+00:00<b><br>Objet : </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] new samba-squid subpackage proporsal<br><br></div>Op vrijdag 05 augustus 2011 19:05:43 schreef Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz:<br>> Le Vendredi 05 Août 2011 18:17:15 Maarten Vanraes a écrit :<br>> > Op woensdag 03 augustus 2011 14:01:16 schreef Buchan Milne:<br>> > > On Tuesday, 2 August 2011 22:23:24 Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>> > > > Op dinsdag 02 augustus 2011 17:04:41 schreef Buchan Milne:<br>> > > > > Samba-common is the right package for this. I see no need to<br>> > > > > have a<br>> > > > > squid- specific subpackage (and then samba-apache,<br>> > > > > samba-freeradius,<br>> > > > > with the same content, or all virtual packages just pulling<br>> > > > > samba-common).<br>> > > > > <br>> > > > > Feel free to mess up your squid package by adding suggests on<br>> > > > > samba-common, but since installing the right package is<br>> > > > > trivially<br>> > > > > solved by the admin and is a small portion of the work required,<br>> > > > > I<br>> > > > > would personally prefer not to increase the default footprint of<br>> > > > > any<br>> > > > > installation that pulls in squid.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > this is really imho an example where conditional suggests could work<br>> > > > well: if you have squid already installed and you're installing<br>> > > > samba,<br>> > > > this subpackage could then be suggested. (and vice versa).<br>> > > <br>> > > But, it is irrelevant. samba-common is required by both samba-client<br>> > > and samba-server, so you can't install samba without getting<br>> > > ntlm_auth.<br>> > <br>> > there is definately a misunderstanding here, conditional suggests are not<br>> > usefull for requires, only for suggests<br>> > <br>> > > This is really about whether squid should pull in any pieces of samba<br>> > > by default, and could be solved by adding:<br>> > > Suggests: samba-common<br>> > > <br>> > > to squid. But, I don't see much value, as this is a small part of the<br>> > > work required to get a single-sign on authentication solution for squid<br>> > > against AD. The default squid.conf already has example configs showing<br>> > > that ntlm_auth is required, and all we are saving the user is a 'urpmf<br>> > > ntlm_auth' and a 'urpmi samba-common'. However, there are many<br>> > > scenarios squid can be deployed (e.g. SSO with GSSAPI, basic auth with<br>> > > LDAP, PAM, NIS etc., no authentication, peer cache only etc.), and I<br>> > > don't see a reason to pull in samba-common by default, when it saves<br>> > > the admin very little effort.<br>> > > <br>> > > Regards,<br>> > > Buchan<br>> > <br>> > well if it was in a separate package (and not in samba-common), it would<br>> > be interesting to have conditional suggests. because then samba would<br>> > pull it in; and squid too, without needing samba if you don't have it.<br>> > <br>> > but, maybe i'm misunderstanding this thread<br>> <br>> That's what i was asking<br>> to create a new subpckage  samba-helper-squid to stor ntlm_auth since<br>> ntlm_auth is not linked with other lib it can stand by itself in a<br>> independend subpackage to make a suggest from squid.  But it seems Buchan<br>> refuses.<br>> <br>> LD<br><br><br>well, it's possible, but since there is no conditional suggests yet, i agree <br>with Buchan. if there was conditional suggests, that would be better...<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+Hi,<br><br>As someone may have seen, the BS is broken. We have identified the cause of breakage and will fix it (if we manage to reach someone in sysadmin team). Please be patient.. :)<br><br>-- <br>Jani Välimaa<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>As someone may have seen, the BS is broken. We have identified the cause of breakage and will fix it (if we manage to reach someone in sysadmin team). Please be patient.. :)<br><br>-- <br>Jani Välimaa<br>
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+@@ -1,10 +1,10 @@
+ %define name	flash-player-plugin11
+-%define version	11.0.1.60
+-%define prerel	b1
+-%define tardate	071311
+-%define rel	2
++%define version	11.0.1.98
++%define prerel	b2
++%define tardate	080811
++%define rel	1
+ 
+-Summary:	Flash Player plugin for browsers - 11 Beta 1 release
++Summary:	Flash Player plugin for browsers - 11 Beta 2 release
+ Name:		%name
+ Version:	%version
+ Release:	%mkrel -c %prerel.%tardate %rel
+@@ -47,7 +47,7 @@
+ BuildRequires:	kde4-macros
+ 
+ %description
+-Adobe Flash Player plugin for browsers. 11 Beta 1 release.
++Adobe Flash Player plugin for browsers. 11 Beta 2 release.
+ 
+ NOTE: This package does not contain the Flash Player itself. The
+ software will be automatically downloaded from Adobe during package
+@@ -63,7 +63,7 @@
+ %setup -c -T
+ %ifarch %ix86
+ %define downurl1 http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplatformruntimes/flashplayer11/flashplayer11_%{prerel}_install_lin_32_%{tardate}.tar.gz
+-%define tmd5sum1 8816dfa0bbb4210df5a37e061834c24a
++%define tmd5sum1 285d585fd6bbf6bdaf16d404dceaa761
+ %define downurl2 %nil
+ %define tmd5sum2 %nil
+ %define tarname flashplayer11_%{prerel}_install_lin_32_%{tardate}.tar.gz
+@@ -72,7 +72,7 @@
+ 
+ %ifarch x86_64
+ %define downurl1 http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplatformruntimes/flashplayer11/flashplayer11_%{prerel}_install_lin_64_%{tardate}.tar.gz
+-%define tmd5sum1 806b348cfb27054568d9f63d13bee3fd
++%define tmd5sum1 87ccb674fbcf94739f82cc6089634623
+ %define downurl2 %nil
+ %define tmd5sum2 %nil
+ %define tarname flashplayer11_%{prerel}_install_lin_64_%{tardate}.tar.gz
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+Index: flash-player-plugin11.spec
+===================================================================
+--- flash-player-plugin11.spec	(revision 133032)
++++ flash-player-plugin11.spec	(working copy)
+@@ -1,10 +1,10 @@
+ %define name	flash-player-plugin11
+-%define version	11.0.1.60
+-%define prerel	b1
+-%define tardate	071311
+-%define rel	2
++%define version	11.0.1.98
++%define prerel	b2
++%define tardate	080811
++%define rel	1
+ 
+-Summary:	Flash Player plugin for browsers - 11 Beta 1 release
++Summary:	Flash Player plugin for browsers - 11 Beta 2 release
+ Name:		%name
+ Version:	%version
+ Release:	%mkrel -c %prerel.%tardate %rel
+@@ -47,7 +47,7 @@
+ BuildRequires:	kde4-macros
+ 
+ %description
+-Adobe Flash Player plugin for browsers. 11 Beta 1 release.
++Adobe Flash Player plugin for browsers. 11 Beta 2 release.
+ 
+ NOTE: This package does not contain the Flash Player itself. The
+ software will be automatically downloaded from Adobe during package
+@@ -63,7 +63,7 @@
+ %setup -c -T
+ %ifarch %ix86
+ %define downurl1 http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplatformruntimes/flashplayer11/flashplayer11_%{prerel}_install_lin_32_%{tardate}.tar.gz
+-%define tmd5sum1 8816dfa0bbb4210df5a37e061834c24a
++%define tmd5sum1 285d585fd6bbf6bdaf16d404dceaa761
+ %define downurl2 %nil
+ %define tmd5sum2 %nil
+ %define tarname flashplayer11_%{prerel}_install_lin_32_%{tardate}.tar.gz
+@@ -72,7 +72,7 @@
+ 
+ %ifarch x86_64
+ %define downurl1 http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplatformruntimes/flashplayer11/flashplayer11_%{prerel}_install_lin_64_%{tardate}.tar.gz
+-%define tmd5sum1 806b348cfb27054568d9f63d13bee3fd
++%define tmd5sum1 87ccb674fbcf94739f82cc6089634623
+ %define downurl2 %nil
+ %define tmd5sum2 %nil
+ %define tarname flashplayer11_%{prerel}_install_lin_64_%{tardate}.tar.gz
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">since yesterday I have the following problem(may have existed before).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-------------------------------------------------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># LC_ALL=C urpmi.addmedia --distrib --mirrorlist http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.1.i586.list                                     </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Release2&quot;                                           </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Release Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)                </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Updates2&quot;                                           </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Updates Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)                </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Updates Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)              </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Updates Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)        </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Backports2&quot; (ignored by default)                    </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Backports Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)              </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Backports Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)            </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Backports Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)      </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Release2&quot;                                        </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Release Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)             </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Updates2&quot;                                        </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Updates Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)             </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Updates Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Updates Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Backports2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Backports Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Backports Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Backports Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Release2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Release Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Updates2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Updates Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Updates Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Updates Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Backports2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Backports Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Backports Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Backports Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.1.i586.list: media/core/release/media_info/20110530-193512-synthesis.hdlist.cz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">retrieval of [https://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/release/media_info/synthesis.hdlist.cz] failed (md5sum mismatch)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">problem reading synthesis file of medium &quot;Core Release2&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[root@localhost ~]# </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">--------------------------------------------------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">and noting is added to urpmi.cfg</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Is this known?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Is it the right place to report?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ps: I have tried populating urpmi.cfg with data from a already migrated machine but still have problems</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">since yesterday I have the following problem(may have existed before).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-------------------------------------------------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># LC_ALL=C urpmi.addmedia --distrib --mirrorlist http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.1.i586.list                                     </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Release2&quot;                                           </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Release Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)                </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Updates2&quot;                                           </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Updates Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)                </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Updates Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)              </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Updates Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)        </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Backports2&quot; (ignored by default)                    </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Backports Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)              </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Backports Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)            </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Core Backports Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)      </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Release2&quot;                                        </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Release Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)             </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Updates2&quot;                                        </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Updates Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)             </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Updates Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Updates Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Backports2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Backports Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Backports Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Nonfree Backports Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Release2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Release Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Updates2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Updates Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Updates Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Updates Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Backports2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Backports Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Backports Testing2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">adding medium &quot;Tainted Backports Testing Debug2&quot; (ignored by default)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.1.i586.list: media/core/release/media_info/20110530-193512-synthesis.hdlist.cz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">retrieval of [https://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/release/media_info/synthesis.hdlist.cz] failed (md5sum mismatch)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">problem reading synthesis file of medium &quot;Core Release2&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[root@localhost ~]# </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">--------------------------------------------------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">and noting is added to urpmi.cfg</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Is this known?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Is it the right place to report?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ps: I have tried populating urpmi.cfg with data from a already migrated machine but still have problems</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p></body></html>
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+#!/bin/bash
+
+if [ -z "$1" ]; then
+  echo "You must supply a package." >&2
+  exit 1
+fi
+
+PKG=$1
+SOURCE_TREE=cauldron
+DEST_TREE=updates/1
+
+ROOT="svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages"
+BIN_ROOT="svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos"
+
+SOURCE="${ROOT}/${SOURCE_TREE}/$PKG"
+DEST="${ROOT}/${DEST_TREE}/$PKG"
+
+BIN_SOURCE="${BIN_ROOT}/${SOURCE_TREE}/$PKG"
+BIN_DEST="${BIN_ROOT}/${DEST_TREE}/$PKG"
+
+
+# Check to see if DEST exists...
+OP=$(svn ls $DEST/current 2>/dev/null)
+BIN_OP=$(svn ls $BIN_DEST/current 2>/dev/null)
+if [ -n "$OP" -o -n "$BIN_OP" ]; then
+  echo "The destination tree $DEST already exists" >&2
+  exit 1
+fi
+
+# Check to make sure SOURCE does!
+OP=$(svn ls $SOURCE/current 2>/dev/null)
+BIN_OP=$(svn ls $BIN_SOURCE/current 2>/dev/null)
+if [ -z "$OP" -o -z "$BIN_OP" ]; then
+  echo "The source tree $SOURCE does not exist" >&2
+  exit 1
+fi
+
+
+
+TMP_NAME=$(mktemp /tmp/`basename $0`.XXXXXX)
+rm -rf $TMP_NAME
+mkdir $TMP_NAME
+pushd $TMP_NAME
+
+svn="svn"
+
+$svn mkdir -m "SILENT: Prepare backport of $PKG from $SOURCE_TREE" $DEST
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+
+$svn mkdir -m "SILENT: Prepare backport of $PKG from $SOURCE_TREE (binrepos)" $BIN_DEST
+
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+pushd $PKG
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+popd
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+
+popd
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+#!/bin/bash
+
+if [ -z "$1" ]; then
+  echo "You must supply a package." >&2
+  exit 1
+fi
+
+PKG=$1
+SOURCE_TREE=cauldron
+DEST_TREE=updates/1
+
+ROOT="svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages"
+BIN_ROOT="svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/binrepos"
+
+SOURCE="${ROOT}/${SOURCE_TREE}/$PKG"
+DEST="${ROOT}/${DEST_TREE}/$PKG"
+
+BIN_SOURCE="${BIN_ROOT}/${SOURCE_TREE}/$PKG"
+BIN_DEST="${BIN_ROOT}/${DEST_TREE}/$PKG"
+
+
+# Check to see if DEST exists...
+OP=$(svn ls $DEST/current 2>/dev/null)
+BIN_OP=$(svn ls $BIN_DEST/current 2>/dev/null)
+if [ -n "$OP" -o -n "$BIN_OP" ]; then
+  echo "The destination tree $DEST already exists" >&2
+  exit 1
+fi
+
+# Check to make sure SOURCE does!
+OP=$(svn ls $SOURCE/current 2>/dev/null)
+BIN_OP=$(svn ls $BIN_SOURCE/current 2>/dev/null)
+if [ -z "$OP" -o -z "$BIN_OP" ]; then
+  echo "The source tree $SOURCE does not exist" >&2
+  exit 1
+fi
+
+
+
+TMP_NAME=$(mktemp /tmp/`basename $0`.XXXXXX)
+rm -rf $TMP_NAME
+mkdir $TMP_NAME
+pushd $TMP_NAME
+
+svn="svn"
+
+$svn mkdir -m "SILENT: Prepare backport of $PKG from $SOURCE_TREE" $DEST
+$svn cp -m "SILENT: Backport of $PKG from $SOURCE_TREE" $SOURCE/current $DEST/
+
+$svn mkdir -m "SILENT: Prepare backport of $PKG from $SOURCE_TREE (binrepos)" $BIN_DEST
+
+$svn co $BIN_DEST
+pushd $PKG
+$svn export $BIN_SOURCE/current
+$svn add current
+$svn commit -m "SILENT: Backport of $PKG from $SOURCE_TREE (binrepos)"
+popd
+rm -rf $PKG
+
+popd
+rm -rf $TMP_NAME
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110819/1819c4f3/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110819/1819c4f3/attachment-0001.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le jeudi 18 août 2011 19:22:29, nicolas vigier a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; A new version of mgarepo is being uploaded on mirrors. As repository for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; storing binary files has been changed on server, this new version is now</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; required to continue updating packages.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Can you give us more explanations about the server-side changes, and the impacts it can have, especially when using svn directly in existing local checkouts ? And if the changes are big enough so that the local checkouts are not usable anymore (probably the case if the repository changed), state it and tell us what to do with them (erase them and checkout again with the latest version of mgarepo ?)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le jeudi 18 août 2011 19:22:29, nicolas vigier a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; A new version of mgarepo is being uploaded on mirrors. As repository for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; storing binary files has been changed on server, this new version is now</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; required to continue updating packages.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Can you give us more explanations about the server-side changes, and the impacts it can have, especially when using svn directly in existing local checkouts ? And if the changes are big enough so that the local checkouts are not usable anymore (probably the case if the repository changed), state it and tell us what to do with them (erase them and checkout again with the latest version of mgarepo ?)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 20 août 2011 18:31:26, Michael Scherer a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le vendredi 19 août 2011 à 23:50 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le jeudi 18 août 2011 19:22:29, nicolas vigier a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; A new version of mgarepo is being uploaded on mirrors. As repository</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; for storing binary files has been changed on server, this new version</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; is now required to continue updating packages.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Can you give us more explanations about the server-side changes, and the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; impacts it can have, especially when using svn directly in existing local</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; checkouts ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; For server side change, I would report you on this thread :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-July/003717.html</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks. I read this thread previously but not everyone reads the sysadmin mailing list and I wasn't sure those were the changes the update covers.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">However, I still think that a real announce on the thread would be useful, explaining the new repo structure, and what it changes to our daily tasks (and what doesn't change. Currently we can only guess). For example, I don't know if it changes the way to send new sources to Mageia 1 updates. Ideally we would have got such a mail before the change :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel Verschelde</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 20 août 2011 18:31:26, Michael Scherer a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le vendredi 19 août 2011 à 23:50 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le jeudi 18 août 2011 19:22:29, nicolas vigier a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; A new version of mgarepo is being uploaded on mirrors. As repository</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; for storing binary files has been changed on server, this new version</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; is now required to continue updating packages.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Can you give us more explanations about the server-side changes, and the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; impacts it can have, especially when using svn directly in existing local</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; checkouts ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; For server side change, I would report you on this thread :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-July/003717.html</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks. I read this thread previously but not everyone reads the sysadmin mailing list and I wasn't sure those were the changes the update covers.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">However, I still think that a real announce on the thread would be useful, explaining the new repo structure, and what it changes to our daily tasks (and what doesn't change. Currently we can only guess). For example, I don't know if it changes the way to send new sources to Mageia 1 updates. Ideally we would have got such a mail before the change :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel Verschelde</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 20 août 2011 00:02:22, Thomas Backlund a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Samuel Verschelde skrev 20.8.2011 00:50:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le jeudi 18 août 2011 19:22:29, nicolas vigier a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; A new version of mgarepo is being uploaded on mirrors. As repository</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; storing binary files has been changed on server, this new version is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; now</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; required to continue updating packages.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Can you give us more explanations about the server-side changes, and the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; impacts it can have, especially when using svn directly in existing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; local checkouts ? And if the changes are big enough so that the local</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; checkouts are not usable anymore (probably the case if the repository</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; changed), state it and tell us what to do with them (erase them and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; checkout again with the latest version of mgarepo ?)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; No need to redo the checkout...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; just move the binaries from SOURCES-bin to SOURCES (replacing the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; symlinks) and remove the SOURCES-bin dir and keep on working</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Given the number of local checkouts I have I think it will be faster to erase them (no local changes) and checkout them again :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 20 août 2011 00:02:22, Thomas Backlund a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Samuel Verschelde skrev 20.8.2011 00:50:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le jeudi 18 août 2011 19:22:29, nicolas vigier a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; A new version of mgarepo is being uploaded on mirrors. As repository</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; storing binary files has been changed on server, this new version is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; now</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  &gt; required to continue updating packages.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Can you give us more explanations about the server-side changes, and the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; impacts it can have, especially when using svn directly in existing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; local checkouts ? And if the changes are big enough so that the local</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; checkouts are not usable anymore (probably the case if the repository</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; changed), state it and tell us what to do with them (erase them and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; checkout again with the latest version of mgarepo ?)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; No need to redo the checkout...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; just move the binaries from SOURCES-bin to SOURCES (replacing the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; symlinks) and remove the SOURCES-bin dir and keep on working</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Given the number of local checkouts I have I think it will be faster to erase them (no local changes) and checkout them again :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Pedro</span><br />
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+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/.S.fo.7aVx0/?lang_id=70&amp;m=65&amp;mid=4e5068460000000000460000b2c30642"><img src="http://p58.badoo.com/34/7/1/2/60216990/71512/t1202680648/104199_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Ana</span><br />
+Lamego, Portugal
+</td>
+</tr>
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+<td style="height: 20px;" colspan="4" height="20px">&nbsp;</td>
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+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Xxxx. spiros</span><br />
+Roma, Italien
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+<br />
+<table style="border-collapse: collapse;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+<tr>
+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/.S.fo.7aVx0/?lang_id=70&amp;m=65&amp;mid=4e5068460000000000460000b2c30642"><img src="http://p30.badoo.com/283/4/1/7/251381603/699908/t1313353445/700517_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Pedro</span><br />
+Vizeu, Portugal
+</td>
+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/.S.fo.7aVx0/?lang_id=70&amp;m=65&amp;mid=4e5068460000000000460000b2c30642"><img src="http://p58.badoo.com/34/7/1/2/60216990/71512/t1202680648/104199_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Ana</span><br />
+Lamego, Portugal
+</td>
+</tr>
+<tr>
+<td style="height: 20px;" colspan="4" height="20px">&nbsp;</td>
+</tr>
+<tr>
+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/.S.fo.7aVx0/?lang_id=70&amp;m=65&amp;mid=4e5068460000000000460000b2c30642"><img src="http://p40.badoo.com/262/8/2/3/250766730/70358/t1312801591/70405_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Xxxx. spiros</span><br />
+Roma, Italien
+</td>
+</tr>
+<tr>
+<td style="height: 20px;" colspan="4" height="20px">&nbsp;</td>
+</tr>
+</table>
+<br />
+<br />
+This email is part of our delivery procedure for the message sent by Kristoffer Grundström. If you have received this email by mistake, please ignore it. The message will be deleted soon.
+<br />
+<br />
+Have fun!<br />
+The Badoo Team
+
+<br /><br />
+<img src="http://images.eu1.badoo.com/4e50684600000000004600000041-2999125570/3062/-/-/i/badoo.gif" width="80" height="23" alt="" />
+<p style="margin-top: 10px; color: #666666; font: 13px/18px Arial, sans-serif;">Du har mottagit detta brev eftersom en Badoo-medlem skickat ett meddelande till dig på Badoo. Detta är ett automatiserat utskick. Svar på detta brev bevakas ej och kommer därför inte heller att besvaras. Om du inte vill ta emot fler meddelanden från Badoo, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/impersonation.phtml?lang_id=70&amp;mail_code=65&amp;email=mageia-dev%40mageia.org&amp;secret=&amp;block_code=bfb71e&amp;m=65&amp;mid=4e5068460000000000460000b2c30642" style="color: #3366cc;">vänligen kontakta oss</a>.</p>
+
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+<div>Hi,</div><div><br></div>Theres been a private discussion regarding the macro correct layout, if %{foo} or %foo.<div><br></div><div>This rised when in the wiki page <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=kde4_packaging_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=kde4_packaging_policy</a> i changed the spec layout from %foo into %{foo} to be as a reference point, in wich mikala has reverted back to %foo, and this discussion has taken other porportions so i would like your opinions regarding this.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>I have pointed that for a wiki page should be proper to use %{...} to avoid doubts specially in beginners minds, since in some situations we need really to use the {} delimitations.</div><div>In wich its recommendation its focused in this cute PDF from redhat website:<br clear="all">
+
+<br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><a href="http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/downloads/pdf/Wednesday_130pm_Tom_Callaway_OSS.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/downloads/pdf/Wednesday_130pm_Tom_Callaway_OSS.pdf</a></span></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Im not refering that now we should use only %{...}, that usage can be handled from the user prespective (for example in my specs locally i generally dont use delimitations), some like others dont.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>As we also see in rpm macros document <a href="http://www.rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/Macros">http://www.rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/Macros</a> that we can use both, but in all rpm docs and config files the common usage its with delimitations.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>regards,<br>-- <br>Zé<br>
+</div>
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+<div>Hi,</div><div><br></div>Theres been a private discussion regarding the macro correct layout, if %{foo} or %foo.<div><br></div><div>This rised when in the wiki page <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=kde4_packaging_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=kde4_packaging_policy</a> i changed the spec layout from %foo into %{foo} to be as a reference point, in wich mikala has reverted back to %foo, and this discussion has taken other porportions so i would like your opinions regarding this.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>I have pointed that for a wiki page should be proper to use %{...} to avoid doubts specially in beginners minds, since in some situations we need really to use the {} delimitations.</div><div>In wich its recommendation its focused in this cute PDF from redhat website:<br clear="all">
+
+<br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><a href="http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/downloads/pdf/Wednesday_130pm_Tom_Callaway_OSS.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/downloads/pdf/Wednesday_130pm_Tom_Callaway_OSS.pdf</a></span></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Im not refering that now we should use only %{...}, that usage can be handled from the user prespective (for example in my specs locally i generally dont use delimitations), some like others dont.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>As we also see in rpm macros document <a href="http://www.rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/Macros">http://www.rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/Macros</a> that we can use both, but in all rpm docs and config files the common usage its with delimitations.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>regards,<br>-- <br>Zé<br>
+</div>
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+<p><br>
+Le 22 août 2011 05:16, &quot;You-Cheng Hsieh&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com">yochenhsieh@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The KDE 4.6.5 packages just appeared for Mageia 1 updates, and it<br>
+&gt; takes some times to update them all for users with slower connection.<br>
+&gt; I would like to suggest, if there&#39;s no such plan, is it possible we<br>
+&gt; could update Mageia1 ISO with updated packages so that users don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; need to download a large amount of packages after they just installed<br>
+&gt; Mageia1?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Packages wanted to be included in Mageia &quot;1.01&quot;:<br>
+&gt; kde 4.6.5 (available in updates)<br>
+&gt; kernel 2.6.38.8 (available in updates)<br>
+&gt; firefox 6 (in updates_testing)<br>
+&gt; libreoffice 3.3.4 (not available for update? Mageia 1 has 3.3.2.2)<br></p>
+<p>This is a great idea indeed but we have for now bigger priorities for packagers  and qa team. Still à lot of updates pending to be done <br></p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You-Cheng Hsieh<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 22 août 2011 05:16, &quot;You-Cheng Hsieh&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com">yochenhsieh@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The KDE 4.6.5 packages just appeared for Mageia 1 updates, and it<br>
+&gt; takes some times to update them all for users with slower connection.<br>
+&gt; I would like to suggest, if there&#39;s no such plan, is it possible we<br>
+&gt; could update Mageia1 ISO with updated packages so that users don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; need to download a large amount of packages after they just installed<br>
+&gt; Mageia1?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Packages wanted to be included in Mageia &quot;1.01&quot;:<br>
+&gt; kde 4.6.5 (available in updates)<br>
+&gt; kernel 2.6.38.8 (available in updates)<br>
+&gt; firefox 6 (in updates_testing)<br>
+&gt; libreoffice 3.3.4 (not available for update? Mageia 1 has 3.3.2.2)<br></p>
+<p>This is a great idea indeed but we have for now bigger priorities for packagers  and qa team. Still à lot of updates pending to be done <br></p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You-Cheng Hsieh<br>
+</p>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 04:24, Buchan Milne <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net">bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div>Of course, it might also be an idea to refactor libDrakX (use a unique<br></div>
+namespace etc.).<br></blockquote><div><br>This decade-old task still awaits the lost^w brave souls to take it.... :)<br></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 04:24, Buchan Milne <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net">bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div>Of course, it might also be an idea to refactor libDrakX (use a unique<br></div>
+namespace etc.).<br></blockquote><div><br>This decade-old task still awaits the lost^w brave souls to take it.... :)<br></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] PROPOSAL: so, you are already contributor,
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+Helow,
+
+According what we have just talk, i propose this to become a maintainer:
+
+a) state that maintainer is not just a &quot;LIKE TO BE&quot;, nor &quot;NICE TO BE&quot;, it is a 
+responsability that it is open to all.  So if you take it,  you shall be warn 
+that you commit your soul for that package :)
+
+b) anyone can commit changes (mgarepo ci), but only maintainers may submit 
+(mgarepo submit) changes.  An email shall be delivered to maitainer(s) in 
+order to warn any change.  
+
+c) maintainer in normal state, shall submit or reject changes in next 2-3 
+days.  If maintainer in &quot;vacations&quot; a warning email  shall be sent, and when a 
+contributor commits, a warning in mgarepo shall be displayed so everyone knows 
+that submit will delay
+
+d) maitainership right shall be revoked if no life-signal is present from 
+maintainer.  Maybe 3 issues of this kind in same package. 
+
+e) a top of 70 packages to maintain is a good limit for people, there is no 
+sense people that maintains 500 packages. we call this single poing of 
+failure.
+
+I guess that's all,
+
+:)
+
+LD
+]
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+Helow,
+
+According what we have just talk, i propose this to become a maintainer:
+
+a) state that maintainer is not just a &quot;LIKE TO BE&quot;, nor &quot;NICE TO BE&quot;, it is a 
+responsability that it is open to all.  So if you take it,  you shall be warn 
+that you commit your soul for that package :)
+
+b) anyone can commit changes (mgarepo ci), but only maintainers may submit 
+(mgarepo submit) changes.  An email shall be delivered to maitainer(s) in 
+order to warn any change.  
+
+c) maintainer in normal state, shall submit or reject changes in next 2-3 
+days.  If maintainer in &quot;vacations&quot; a warning email  shall be sent, and when a 
+contributor commits, a warning in mgarepo shall be displayed so everyone knows 
+that submit will delay
+
+d) maitainership right shall be revoked if no life-signal is present from 
+maintainer.  Maybe 3 issues of this kind in same package. 
+
+e) a top of 70 packages to maintain is a good limit for people, there is no 
+sense people that maintains 500 packages. we call this single poing of 
+failure.
+
+I guess that's all,
+
+:)
+
+LD
+]
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+#!/bin/bash
+# codename : viviane
+# Virtualized 
+# Integrated 
+# Verification of
+# Installer with 
+# Automated 
+# Networked
+# Eyeballs 
+#
+# adapted from http://kashyapc.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/unattended-guest-install-with-a-local-kickstart/
+
+#VERSION="cauldron"
+#DIRECTORY="/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/$VERSION"
+VERSION="2010.2"
+DIRECTORY="/pub/linux/MandrivaLinux/official/$VERSION"
+
+SERVER="distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr"
+TREE="http://$SERVER$DIRECTORY"
+
+function auto_install_test() {
+    ARCH=$1
+    PACKAGE=$2
+    NAME=viviane_${ARCH}_${PACKAGE}_$(date +%Y_%m_%d)
+    TMP_DIR=$(mktemp -d /tmp/viviane_XXXXX)
+    chmod go+rx $TMP_DIR
+    date >> /tmp/viviane.log
+    echo "test of $NAME started" >> /tmp/viviane.log
+
+
+       
+
+    # based on http://www.zarb.org/~guillomovitch/installation_automatique.html
+    # user that is created must be in dialout, to be able to send the message 
+    # to the host on ttyS0 ( since consolekit do not handle this so far )
+    cat > $TMP_DIR/auto_inst.cfg.pl <<EOF
+#!/usr/bin/perl -cw
+
+\$o = {
+       'timezone' => {
+		       'ntp' => undef,
+		       'timezone' => 'Europe/Paris',
+		       'UTC' => 1
+		     },
+       'default_packages' => [
+                                'urpmi',
+                                'basesystem',
+                                'man-pages',
+                                'info',
+                                'curl',
+                                'dhcp-client',
+                                'iputils',
+                                'autologin',
+                                '$PACKAGE',
+			     ],
+
+       'users' => [
+		    {
+		      'icon' => 'default',
+		      'realname' => 'Myrddin Wyllt',
+		      'uid' => undef,
+		      'groups' => ['dialout'],
+		      'name' => 'merlin',
+		      'shell' => '/bin/bash',
+		      'gid' => undef
+		    }
+		  ],
+       'locale' => {
+		     'country' => 'us',
+		     'lang' => 'en_US',
+		     'langs' => {
+				  'en_US' => 1
+				},
+		     'utf8' => 1
+		   },
+       'net' => {
+		  'resolv' => {
+				'DOMAINNAME' => 'test',
+				'dnsServer' => '192.168.122.1',
+				'DOMAINNAME2' => undef,
+				'dnsServer2' => undef,
+				'DOMAINNAME3' => undef,
+				'dnsServer3' => undef
+			      },
+		  'network' => {
+				 'NETWORKING' => 'yes',
+				 'GATEWAY' => '192.168.122.1',
+				 'FORWARD_IPV4' => 'false',
+                 'HOSTNAME' => '$NAME.test',
+			       },
+		  'ethernet' => {},
+		  'ifcfg' => {
+			       'eth0' => {
+					   'BROADCAST' => '',
+					   'isUp' => 1,
+					   'BOOTPROTO' => 'dhcp',
+					   'isPtp' => '',
+					   'NETWORK' => '',
+					   'HWADDR' => undef,
+					   'DEVICE' => 'eth0',
+					   'METRIC' => 10
+					 }
+			     },
+		  'net_interface' => 'eth0',
+		  'type' => 'ethernet',
+		  'PROFILE' => 'default'
+		},
+       'authentication' => {
+			     'shadow' => 1,
+			     'blowfish' => 1
+			   },
+       'partitions' => [
+			 {
+			   'fs_type' => 'ext4',
+			   'mntpoint' => '/',
+			   'size' => 7700000
+			 },
+			 {
+			   'fs_type' => 'swap',
+			   'mntpoint' => 'swap',
+			   'size' => 256000
+			 },
+		       ],
+       'partitioning' => {
+			   'auto_allocate' => 1,
+			   'clearall' => 1,
+			   'eraseBadPartitions' => 1
+			 },
+       'superuser' => {
+			'password' => 'root',
+			'realname' => 'root',
+			'uid' => '0',
+			'shell' => '/bin/bash',
+			'home' => '/root',
+			'gid' => '0'
+		      },
+       'security' => 1,
+       'interactiveSteps' => [
+#			       'doPartitionDisks',
+#			       'formatPartitions'
+			     ],
+       'autoExitInstall' => 1,
+       'keyboard' => {
+		       'GRP_TOGGLE' => '',
+		       'KEYBOARD' => 'us'
+		     },
+       'postInstall' => q(
+cat > /usr/local/bin/viviane_notify.sh <<SCRIPT
+#!/bin/bash
+echo "install_ok" >> /dev/ttyS0
+SCRIPT
+
+chmod ugo+rx /usr/local/bin/viviane_notify.sh
+
+cat > /etc/xdg/autostart/viviane_notify.desktop <<DESKTOP
+[Desktop Entry]
+Exec=/usr/local/bin/viviane_notify.sh
+Name=Viviane notification 
+Terminal=false
+Type=Application
+StartupNotify=false
+NoDisplay=true
+X-KDE-autostart-after=panel
+DESKTOP
+
+cat > /etc/sysconfig/autologin <<AUTO
+USER=merlin
+AUTOLOGIN=yes
+AUTO
+
+        ),
+        'rpmsrate_flags_chosen' => {
+            },
+
+        'compssListLevel' => 3,
+        'firewall_ports' => undef,
+        'keep_unrequested_dependencies' => 0,
+     };
+EOF
+
+    # check the file, in case someone modify it
+    perl -cw $TMP_DIR/auto_inst.cfg.pl 
+    if [[ $? -ne 0 ]] ; then 
+       echo "Incorrect auto_inst.cfg.pl file" 
+       exit
+    fi
+    # needed to let qemu write here
+    touch $TMP_DIR/log
+    setfacl -m u:qemu:rw $TMP_DIR/log
+    
+    # --os-type and --os-variant are likely needed to find the 
+    # proper layout on the mirror, do not modify it
+    # required a patched version of virtinst 
+    # ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733121 )
+    # Also, the documentation about auto installation is wrong on mandriva 
+    # wiki, since short form "net" is not the same as "netw"
+
+    virt-install --connect=qemu:///system \
+        --network=network=default \
+        --initrd-inject=$TMP_DIR/auto_inst.cfg.pl \
+        --extra-args="text kickstart=/auto_inst.cfg.pl automatic=met:http,network:dhcp,ser:$SERVER,dir:$DIRECTORY/$ARCH,hostname:$NAME.test" \
+        --name=${NAME} \
+        --disk /var/lib/libvirt/images/${NAME}.img,size=8 \
+        --ram 1024 \
+        --vcpus=1 \
+        --check-cpu \
+        --location=$TREE/$ARCH \
+        --serial=file,path=$TMP_DIR/log \
+        --hvm \
+        --accelerate \
+        --os-type=linux \
+        --os-variant=mandriva2010 \
+        --wait=30 \
+        --noautoconsole \
+        --quiet
+
+    # let the system do the first boot 
+    sleep 120 
+
+    if grep -q install_ok $TMP_DIR/log ; then
+        virsh --connect qemu:///system destroy $NAME
+        virsh --connect qemu:///system undefine $NAME
+        rm -Rf $TMP_DIR
+    else 
+        # FIXME requires a recent version of libvirt for screenshot
+        # virsh --connect qemu:///system screenshot $NAME /tmp/$NAME.png 
+        # virsh --connect qemu:///system suspend $NAME
+        # FIXME better message ( with url of the screenshot )
+        #echo "test of $NAME failed" | mail foo  -s "automated install test report" 
+        date >> /tmp/viviane.log
+        echo "test of $NAME ( $TMP_DIR ) failed" >> /tmp/viviane.log
+        cat $TMP_DIR/log >> /tmp/viviane.log
+    fi 
+
+
+}
+
+auto_install_test i586 task-kde4
+
+#for a in i586 x86_64; do 
+#    for p in task-kde4 task-gnome; do
+#        auto_install_test $a $p
+#    done
+#done
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110825/7f2c0b35/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110825/7f2c0b35/attachment.bin
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+#!/bin/bash
+# codename : viviane
+# Virtualized 
+# Integrated 
+# Verification of
+# Installer with 
+# Automated 
+# Networked
+# Eyeballs 
+#
+# adapted from http://kashyapc.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/unattended-guest-install-with-a-local-kickstart/
+
+#VERSION="cauldron"
+#DIRECTORY="/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/$VERSION"
+VERSION="2010.2"
+DIRECTORY="/pub/linux/MandrivaLinux/official/$VERSION"
+
+SERVER="distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr"
+TREE="http://$SERVER$DIRECTORY"
+
+function auto_install_test() {
+    ARCH=$1
+    PACKAGE=$2
+    NAME=viviane_${ARCH}_${PACKAGE}_$(date +%Y_%m_%d)
+    TMP_DIR=$(mktemp -d /tmp/viviane_XXXXX)
+    chmod go+rx $TMP_DIR
+    date >> /tmp/viviane.log
+    echo "test of $NAME started" >> /tmp/viviane.log
+
+
+       
+
+    # based on http://www.zarb.org/~guillomovitch/installation_automatique.html
+    # user that is created must be in dialout, to be able to send the message 
+    # to the host on ttyS0 ( since consolekit do not handle this so far )
+    cat > $TMP_DIR/auto_inst.cfg.pl <<EOF
+#!/usr/bin/perl -cw
+
+\$o = {
+       'timezone' => {
+		       'ntp' => undef,
+		       'timezone' => 'Europe/Paris',
+		       'UTC' => 1
+		     },
+       'default_packages' => [
+                                'urpmi',
+                                'basesystem',
+                                'man-pages',
+                                'info',
+                                'curl',
+                                'dhcp-client',
+                                'iputils',
+                                'autologin',
+                                '$PACKAGE',
+			     ],
+
+       'users' => [
+		    {
+		      'icon' => 'default',
+		      'realname' => 'Myrddin Wyllt',
+		      'uid' => undef,
+		      'groups' => ['dialout'],
+		      'name' => 'merlin',
+		      'shell' => '/bin/bash',
+		      'gid' => undef
+		    }
+		  ],
+       'locale' => {
+		     'country' => 'us',
+		     'lang' => 'en_US',
+		     'langs' => {
+				  'en_US' => 1
+				},
+		     'utf8' => 1
+		   },
+       'net' => {
+		  'resolv' => {
+				'DOMAINNAME' => 'test',
+				'dnsServer' => '192.168.122.1',
+				'DOMAINNAME2' => undef,
+				'dnsServer2' => undef,
+				'DOMAINNAME3' => undef,
+				'dnsServer3' => undef
+			      },
+		  'network' => {
+				 'NETWORKING' => 'yes',
+				 'GATEWAY' => '192.168.122.1',
+				 'FORWARD_IPV4' => 'false',
+                 'HOSTNAME' => '$NAME.test',
+			       },
+		  'ethernet' => {},
+		  'ifcfg' => {
+			       'eth0' => {
+					   'BROADCAST' => '',
+					   'isUp' => 1,
+					   'BOOTPROTO' => 'dhcp',
+					   'isPtp' => '',
+					   'NETWORK' => '',
+					   'HWADDR' => undef,
+					   'DEVICE' => 'eth0',
+					   'METRIC' => 10
+					 }
+			     },
+		  'net_interface' => 'eth0',
+		  'type' => 'ethernet',
+		  'PROFILE' => 'default'
+		},
+       'authentication' => {
+			     'shadow' => 1,
+			     'blowfish' => 1
+			   },
+       'partitions' => [
+			 {
+			   'fs_type' => 'ext4',
+			   'mntpoint' => '/',
+			   'size' => 7700000
+			 },
+			 {
+			   'fs_type' => 'swap',
+			   'mntpoint' => 'swap',
+			   'size' => 256000
+			 },
+		       ],
+       'partitioning' => {
+			   'auto_allocate' => 1,
+			   'clearall' => 1,
+			   'eraseBadPartitions' => 1
+			 },
+       'superuser' => {
+			'password' => 'root',
+			'realname' => 'root',
+			'uid' => '0',
+			'shell' => '/bin/bash',
+			'home' => '/root',
+			'gid' => '0'
+		      },
+       'security' => 1,
+       'interactiveSteps' => [
+#			       'doPartitionDisks',
+#			       'formatPartitions'
+			     ],
+       'autoExitInstall' => 1,
+       'keyboard' => {
+		       'GRP_TOGGLE' => '',
+		       'KEYBOARD' => 'us'
+		     },
+       'postInstall' => q(
+cat > /usr/local/bin/viviane_notify.sh <<SCRIPT
+#!/bin/bash
+echo "install_ok" >> /dev/ttyS0
+SCRIPT
+
+chmod ugo+rx /usr/local/bin/viviane_notify.sh
+
+cat > /etc/xdg/autostart/viviane_notify.desktop <<DESKTOP
+[Desktop Entry]
+Exec=/usr/local/bin/viviane_notify.sh
+Name=Viviane notification 
+Terminal=false
+Type=Application
+StartupNotify=false
+NoDisplay=true
+X-KDE-autostart-after=panel
+DESKTOP
+
+cat > /etc/sysconfig/autologin <<AUTO
+USER=merlin
+AUTOLOGIN=yes
+AUTO
+
+        ),
+        'rpmsrate_flags_chosen' => {
+            },
+
+        'compssListLevel' => 3,
+        'firewall_ports' => undef,
+        'keep_unrequested_dependencies' => 0,
+     };
+EOF
+
+    # check the file, in case someone modify it
+    perl -cw $TMP_DIR/auto_inst.cfg.pl 
+    if [[ $? -ne 0 ]] ; then 
+       echo "Incorrect auto_inst.cfg.pl file" 
+       exit
+    fi
+    # needed to let qemu write here
+    touch $TMP_DIR/log
+    setfacl -m u:qemu:rw $TMP_DIR/log
+    
+    # --os-type and --os-variant are likely needed to find the 
+    # proper layout on the mirror, do not modify it
+    # required a patched version of virtinst 
+    # ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733121 )
+    # Also, the documentation about auto installation is wrong on mandriva 
+    # wiki, since short form "net" is not the same as "netw"
+
+    virt-install --connect=qemu:///system \
+        --network=network=default \
+        --initrd-inject=$TMP_DIR/auto_inst.cfg.pl \
+        --extra-args="text kickstart=/auto_inst.cfg.pl automatic=met:http,network:dhcp,ser:$SERVER,dir:$DIRECTORY/$ARCH,hostname:$NAME.test" \
+        --name=${NAME} \
+        --disk /var/lib/libvirt/images/${NAME}.img,size=8 \
+        --ram 1024 \
+        --vcpus=1 \
+        --check-cpu \
+        --location=$TREE/$ARCH \
+        --serial=file,path=$TMP_DIR/log \
+        --hvm \
+        --accelerate \
+        --os-type=linux \
+        --os-variant=mandriva2010 \
+        --wait=30 \
+        --noautoconsole \
+        --quiet
+
+    # let the system do the first boot 
+    sleep 120 
+
+    if grep -q install_ok $TMP_DIR/log ; then
+        virsh --connect qemu:///system destroy $NAME
+        virsh --connect qemu:///system undefine $NAME
+        rm -Rf $TMP_DIR
+    else 
+        # FIXME requires a recent version of libvirt for screenshot
+        # virsh --connect qemu:///system screenshot $NAME /tmp/$NAME.png 
+        # virsh --connect qemu:///system suspend $NAME
+        # FIXME better message ( with url of the screenshot )
+        #echo "test of $NAME failed" | mail foo  -s "automated install test report" 
+        date >> /tmp/viviane.log
+        echo "test of $NAME ( $TMP_DIR ) failed" >> /tmp/viviane.log
+        cat $TMP_DIR/log >> /tmp/viviane.log
+    fi 
+
+
+}
+
+auto_install_test i586 task-kde4
+
+#for a in i586 x86_64; do 
+#    for p in task-kde4 task-gnome; do
+#        auto_install_test $a $p
+#    done
+#done
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110825/9eb9ffb2/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110825/9eb9ffb2/attachment-0001.html
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 17:49, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I finished a quick script that I wrote during my spare time on Wednesday<br>
+to do a automated test installation in a vm, using libvirt, virtinst,<br>
+and drakx auto-installation feature.<br>
+<br>
+As I like catchy names, the project is called Viviane, for<br>
+Virtualized Integrated Verification of Installer with Automated<br>
+Networked Eyeballs. Why did I chose that name is buried deep in the<br>
+script, kudos to who find it ( and there goes the trick to make people<br>
+read my code ).<br></blockquote><div><br>After all this suspense you did, I read the entire code at least 5 times, but I am still clueless. <br><br>Although, it was a nice choice for the name, that&#39;s for sure :).<br>
+
+<br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 17:49, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I finished a quick script that I wrote during my spare time on Wednesday<br>
+to do a automated test installation in a vm, using libvirt, virtinst,<br>
+and drakx auto-installation feature.<br>
+<br>
+As I like catchy names, the project is called Viviane, for<br>
+Virtualized Integrated Verification of Installer with Automated<br>
+Networked Eyeballs. Why did I chose that name is buried deep in the<br>
+script, kudos to who find it ( and there goes the trick to make people<br>
+read my code ).<br></blockquote><div><br>After all this suspense you did, I read the entire code at least 5 times, but I am still clueless. <br><br>Although, it was a nice choice for the name, that&#39;s for sure :).<br>
+
+<br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:48, Stew Benedict <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stewbintn@gmail.com">stewbintn@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div>While I don&#39;t disagree with the theory, it&#39;s not workable with the current state, as I don&#39;t have enough free cycles to think about actually updating any packages an/or doing the testing. One has to keep in mind that in the past life this was nearly a full time job for 2 people to identify, fix build, test, release updates for the supported releases. The people that have inquired about helping with security issues quickly go away when they find out how inglorious(sic) it is.<br>
+
+</div></blockquote><div><br>+100 to this. As former member of Mandriva Security team as well, I sign up under all of your words.<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:48, Stew Benedict <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stewbintn@gmail.com">stewbintn@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div>While I don&#39;t disagree with the theory, it&#39;s not workable with the current state, as I don&#39;t have enough free cycles to think about actually updating any packages an/or doing the testing. One has to keep in mind that in the past life this was nearly a full time job for 2 people to identify, fix build, test, release updates for the supported releases. The people that have inquired about helping with security issues quickly go away when they find out how inglorious(sic) it is.<br>
+
+</div></blockquote><div><br>+100 to this. As former member of Mandriva Security team as well, I sign up under all of your words.<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<p><br>
+Le 25 août 2011 20:43, &quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op donderdag 25 augustus 2011 02:50:20 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Best regards<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Samuel Verschelde<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; that is a very nice summary, it seems the updates are being handled better<br>
+&gt; than i thought (except for security fixes; perhaps there is miscommunication<br>
+&gt; between secteam and qa-team?)</p>
+<p>It means we need some more packagers. What about finalizing your training?<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 25 août 2011 20:43, &quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op donderdag 25 augustus 2011 02:50:20 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Best regards<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Samuel Verschelde<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; that is a very nice summary, it seems the updates are being handled better<br>
+&gt; than i thought (except for security fixes; perhaps there is miscommunication<br>
+&gt; between secteam and qa-team?)</p>
+<p>It means we need some more packagers. What about finalizing your training?<br>
+</p>
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+Are we affected by this bugs ?<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1195-1/">http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1195-1/</a><br clear="all"></font></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1196-1/">http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1196-1/</a></font></div>
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Cheers</div><div>Stblack<br>
+</div>
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+Are we affected by this bugs ?<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1195-1/">http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1195-1/</a><br clear="all"></font></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1196-1/">http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1196-1/</a></font></div>
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Cheers</div><div>Stblack<br>
+</div>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
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+    Hi,<br>
+    <br>
+    I've just installed mageia-1 with the minimal number of packages
+    (without urpmi) as it is possible to select during install.<br>
+    Then the required disk space used is about 660Mb !!<br>
+    I am not a specialist, but isn't it possible to have a "real"
+    minimal number of packages installed ? For example, FreeNas is about
+    100Mb large.<br>
+    I can give the list of the installed packages but I don't know which
+    ones I could remove (if it is possible to remove any of them).<br>
+    For me, the minimal list should be :<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>kernel</li>
+      <li>main commands (ls, mkdir, ...) + rpm (+urpmi for
+        non-specialists !!)<br>
+      </li>
+      <li>ssh + nfs network</li>
+    </ul>
+    Then I could add all packages I want, one by one.<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards.<br>
+    <br>
+    Xuo.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Hi,<br>
+    <br>
+    I've just installed mageia-1 with the minimal number of packages
+    (without urpmi) as it is possible to select during install.<br>
+    Then the required disk space used is about 660Mb !!<br>
+    I am not a specialist, but isn't it possible to have a "real"
+    minimal number of packages installed ? For example, FreeNas is about
+    100Mb large.<br>
+    I can give the list of the installed packages but I don't know which
+    ones I could remove (if it is possible to remove any of them).<br>
+    For me, the minimal list should be :<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>kernel</li>
+      <li>main commands (ls, mkdir, ...) + rpm (+urpmi for
+        non-specialists !!)<br>
+      </li>
+      <li>ssh + nfs network</li>
+    </ul>
+    Then I could add all packages I want, one by one.<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards.<br>
+    <br>
+    Xuo.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+%define upstream_name		Sys-Mmap
+%define upstream_version	0.16
+
+Name:		perl-%{upstream_name}
+Version:	%{upstream_version}
+Release:	%mkrel 0
+
+Summary:	Sys::Mmap
+License:	GPL
+Group:		Development/Perl
+Url:		http://www.kernel.org/software/mon/
+Source0:	http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Sys/%{upstream_name}-%{upstream_version}.tar.gz 
+BuildRequires:	perl-devel
+
+%description
+The Mmap module lets you use mmap to map in a file as a perl variable rather
+than reading the file into dynamically allocated memory.  Multiple programs may
+map the same file into memory, and immediately see changes by each other.
+Memory may be allocated not attached to a file, and shared with subprocesses.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{upstream_name}-%{upstream_version}
+
+%build
+%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
+make
+
+%check
+
+%make test
+
+%install
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%files
+%doc Changes README
+%{perl_vendorlib}/*
+%{_mandir}/*/*
+
+%changelog
+* Tue Aug 30 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 0.16-0 
+- New package for Mageia
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+%define upstream_name		Sys-Mmap
+%define upstream_version	0.16
+
+Name:		perl-%{upstream_name}
+Version:	%{upstream_version}
+Release:	%mkrel 0
+
+Summary:	Sys::Mmap
+License:	GPL
+Group:		Development/Perl
+Url:		http://www.kernel.org/software/mon/
+Source0:	http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Sys/%{upstream_name}-%{upstream_version}.tar.gz 
+BuildRequires:	perl-devel
+
+%description
+The Mmap module lets you use mmap to map in a file as a perl variable rather
+than reading the file into dynamically allocated memory.  Multiple programs may
+map the same file into memory, and immediately see changes by each other.
+Memory may be allocated not attached to a file, and shared with subprocesses.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{upstream_name}-%{upstream_version}
+
+%build
+%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
+make
+
+%check
+
+%make test
+
+%install
+rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%files
+%doc Changes README
+%{perl_vendorlib}/*
+%{_mandir}/*/*
+
+%changelog
+* Tue Aug 30 2011 Barry Jackson <zen25000@zen.co.uk> 0.16-0 
+- New package for Mageia
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+<font face="courier new,monospace"></font>On 2 September 2011 03:23, Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Is there any possibility that we ship libpng 1.5.x as default for<br>
+mga2? My idea will be:<br>
+<br>
+* libpng =&gt; 1.5.x for default installation<br>
+* libpng12, libpng12-devel for old packages which cannot be rebuilt or<br>
+some other reasons failing built.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>why not?<br>And also we should switch from libjpeg to libjpeg-turbo like RH<br>
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+<font face="courier new,monospace"></font>On 2 September 2011 03:23, Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Is there any possibility that we ship libpng 1.5.x as default for<br>
+mga2? My idea will be:<br>
+<br>
+* libpng =&gt; 1.5.x for default installation<br>
+* libpng12, libpng12-devel for old packages which cannot be rebuilt or<br>
+some other reasons failing built.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>why not?<br>And also we should switch from libjpeg to libjpeg-turbo like RH<br>
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+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); "><span class="hps">My</span> <span class="hps">laziness</span><span class="">,</span> <span class="hps">I</span> <span class="hps">hoped </span> <span class="hps">the</span> <span class="hps">short</span> <span class="hps">description would be enough :-)</span></span>
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+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); "><span class="hps">My</span> <span class="hps">laziness</span><span class="">,</span> <span class="hps">I</span> <span class="hps">hoped </span> <span class="hps">the</span> <span class="hps">short</span> <span class="hps">description would be enough :-)</span></span>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/8 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le Jeudi 8 Septembre 2011 18:34:29 magnus a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Problems during the update of the 4.7.1 games.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Habdbook packages have a collidation with the old &quot;game-packages&quot;<br>
+</div>It could be useful to have the exact conflict so i can fix it.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Balcaen John<br></font></blockquote><div>Excuse, my mail-client isn&#39;t on cauldron<br><br>Installation failed:    file /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kfourinline/index.cache.bz2 conflicts between attempted installs of kfourinline-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch and kfourinline-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.x86_64<br>
+        ksudoku &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ksudoku-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kbreakout &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kbreakout-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        ksirk &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ksirk-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kblocks &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kblocks-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        ksquares &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ksquares-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        ktron &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ktron-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kiriki &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kiriki-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        lskat &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with lskat-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kdiamond &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kdiamond-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kjumpingcube &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kjumpingcube-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kbattleship &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kbattleship-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kblackbox &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kblackbox-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        klickety &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with klickety-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        killbots &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with killbots-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        bovo &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with bovo-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kpat &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kpat-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kigo &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kigo-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        katomic &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with katomic-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        ktuberling &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ktuberling-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kmines &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kmines-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kgoldrunner &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kgoldrunner-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        palapeli &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with palapeli-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kshisen &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kshisen-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kubrick &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kubrick-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        knetwalk &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with knetwalk-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        konquest &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with konquest-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kreversi &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kreversi-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kbounce &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kbounce-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kollision &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kollision-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        granatier &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with granatier-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        klines &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with klines-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kmahjongg &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kmahjongg-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kapman &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kapman-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+ <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/8 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le Jeudi 8 Septembre 2011 18:34:29 magnus a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Problems during the update of the 4.7.1 games.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Habdbook packages have a collidation with the old &quot;game-packages&quot;<br>
+</div>It could be useful to have the exact conflict so i can fix it.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Balcaen John<br></font></blockquote><div>Excuse, my mail-client isn&#39;t on cauldron<br><br>Installation failed:    file /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kfourinline/index.cache.bz2 conflicts between attempted installs of kfourinline-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch and kfourinline-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.x86_64<br>
+        ksudoku &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ksudoku-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kbreakout &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kbreakout-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        ksirk &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ksirk-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kblocks &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kblocks-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        ksquares &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ksquares-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        ktron &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ktron-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kiriki &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kiriki-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        lskat &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with lskat-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kdiamond &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kdiamond-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kjumpingcube &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kjumpingcube-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kbattleship &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kbattleship-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kblackbox &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kblackbox-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        klickety &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with klickety-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        killbots &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with killbots-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        bovo &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with bovo-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kpat &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kpat-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kigo &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kigo-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        katomic &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with katomic-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        ktuberling &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with ktuberling-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kmines &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kmines-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kgoldrunner &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kgoldrunner-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        palapeli &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with palapeli-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kshisen &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kshisen-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kubrick &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kubrick-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        knetwalk &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with knetwalk-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        konquest &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with konquest-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kreversi &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kreversi-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        kbounce &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kbounce-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kollision &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kollision-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        granatier &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with granatier-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+        klines &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with klines-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kmahjongg &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kmahjongg-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>        kapman &lt; 1:4.7.1 conflicts with kapman-handbook-1:4.7.1-1.mga2.noarch<br>
+ <br></div></div><br>
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+Just updated, all is ok. Thanks
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+Just updated, all is ok. Thanks
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+Problems during the update of the 4.7.1 games.<div><br></div><div>Habdbook packages have a collidation with the old &quot;game-packages&quot;</div><div> </div>
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+Problems during the update of the 4.7.1 games.<div><br></div><div>Habdbook packages have a collidation with the old &quot;game-packages&quot;</div><div> </div>
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+It is bug 2677 and the described workaround helps<br>
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+It is bug 2677 and the described workaround helps<br>
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+Xorg.0.log<div><br></div>
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+[    28.611] _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/cauldron_edge:0
+[    28.611] _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6
+[    28.613] 
+X.Org X Server 1.10.4
+Release Date: 2011-08-19
+[    28.613] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[    28.613] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.33.7-server-2.2mnb Mageia
+[    28.613] Current Operating System: Linux cauldron_edge 3.0.4-desktop-1.mga2 #1 SMP Mon Aug 29 21:58:53 UTC 2011 x86_64
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+[    28.613]  
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+[    28.613] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[    28.613] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
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+[    28.613] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
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+[    28.614] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib64/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib64/xorg/modules"
+[    28.614] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[    28.614] (II) Loader magic: 0x7da200
+[    28.614] (II) Module ABI versions:
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+[    28.615] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
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+[    28.616] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
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+	ATI FireGL M24 GL 3154 (PCIE), ATI FireMV 2400 3155 (PCI),
+	ATI Radeon X600 (RV380) 3E50 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL V3200 (RV380) 3E54 (PCIE), ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136,
+	ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137, ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX AF (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL Z1 AG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800SE AH (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9800 AI (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AJ (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL X2 AK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9600SE AQ (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600XT AR (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9600 AS (AGP), ATI FireGL T2 AT (AGP), ATI Radeon 9650,
+	ATI FireGL RV360 AV (AGP), ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237,
+	ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BB (AGP), ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336,
+	ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337,
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP 4437, ATI Radeon 9000/PRO If (AGP/PCI),
+	ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JH (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800PRO (R420) JI (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800SE (R420) JJ (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JK (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JL (AGP), ATI FireGL X3 (R420) JM (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9800 (M18) JN (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800 SE (R420) (AGP), ATI Radeon X800XT (R420) JP (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800 VE (R420) JT (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 (R480) (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480) (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X850 PRO (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (R480) (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP),
+	ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7 LX (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9) Ld (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lf (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lg (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX NF (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9800 NI (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 NK (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9800XT NJ (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 (M10/M11) NP (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NQ (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11) NR (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NS (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10) NT (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL Mobility T2e (M11) NV (AGP), ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP), ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP/PCI),
+	ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP/PCI),
+	ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP/PCI), ATI ES1000 515E (PCI),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M22) 5460 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility X600 SE (M24C) 5462 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL M22 GL 5464 (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 (R423) UH (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800PRO (R423) UI (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800LE (R423) UJ (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800SE (R423) UK (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800 XTP (R430) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 XL (R430) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800 SE (R430) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 (R430) (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL V7100 (R423) (PCIE), ATI FireGL V5100 (R423) UQ (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL unknown (R423) UR (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL unknown (R423) UT (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X700 XL (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X550XTX 5657 (PCIE), ATI Radeon 9100 IGP (A5) 5834,
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 IGP (U3) 5835,
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5954 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE), ATI Radeon 9250 5960 (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5962 (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP), ATI FireMV 2200 (PCI),
+	ATI ES1000 5969 (PCI), ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5974 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5975 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5A41 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5A42 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5A61 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5A62 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X300 (RV370) 5B60 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X600 (RV370) 5B62 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X550 (RV370) 5B63 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL V3100 (RV370) 5B64 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireMV 2200 PCIE (RV370) 5B65 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C61 (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C63 (AGP),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X800 XT (M28) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5100 (M28) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X800 (M28) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X850 5D4C (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (R480) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X850 PRO (R480) (PCIE),
+	ATI unknown Radeon / FireGL (R480) 5D50 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800XT (R423) 5D57 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL V5000 (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X700 XT (RV410) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X700 PRO (RV410) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X700 SE (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X700 (RV410) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X700 SE (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X1800,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1800 XT, ATI Mobility Radeon X1800,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V7200, ATI FireGL V7200, ATI FireGL V5300,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V7100, ATI Radeon X1800, ATI Radeon X1800,
+	ATI Radeon X1800, ATI Radeon X1800, ATI Radeon X1800,
+	ATI FireGL V7300, ATI FireGL V7350, ATI Radeon X1600, ATI RV505,
+	ATI Radeon X1300/X1550, ATI Radeon X1550, ATI M54-GL,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1400, ATI Radeon X1300/X1550,
+	ATI Radeon X1550 64-bit, ATI Mobility Radeon X1300,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1300, ATI Mobility Radeon X1300,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1300,
+	ATI RV505, ATI RV505, ATI FireGL V3300, ATI FireGL V3350,
+	ATI Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1550 64-bit, ATI Radeon X1300/X1550,
+	ATI Radeon X1600, ATI Radeon X1300/X1550, ATI Mobility Radeon X1450,
+	ATI Radeon X1300/X1550, ATI Mobility Radeon X2300,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X2300, ATI Mobility Radeon X1350,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1350, ATI Mobility Radeon X1450,
+	ATI Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1550, ATI Mobility Radeon X1350,
+	ATI FireMV 2250, ATI Radeon X1550 64-bit, ATI Radeon X1600,
+	ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Radeon X1600, ATI Radeon X1600,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5200, ATI Mobility Radeon X1600,
+	ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Radeon X1600,
+	ATI Radeon X1300 XT/X1600 Pro, ATI FireGL V3400,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5250, ATI Mobility Radeon X1700,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1700 XT, ATI FireGL V5200,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1700, ATI Radeon X2300HD,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300,
+	ATI Radeon X1950, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1950,
+	ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900,
+	ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900,
+	ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900,
+	ATI AMD Stream Processor, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1950,
+	ATI RV560, ATI RV560, ATI Mobility Radeon X1900, ATI RV560,
+	ATI Radeon X1950 GT, ATI RV570, ATI RV570, ATI FireGL V7400,
+	ATI RV560, ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Radeon X1650, ATI RV560,
+	ATI Radeon 9100 PRO IGP 7834, ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 IGP 7835,
+	ATI Radeon X1200, ATI Radeon X1200, ATI Radeon X1200,
+	ATI Radeon X1200, ATI Radeon X1200, ATI RS740, ATI RS740M, ATI RS740,
+	ATI RS740M, ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT,
+	ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2900 Pro, ATI Radeon HD 2900 GT,
+	ATI FireGL V8650, ATI FireGL V8600, ATI FireGL V7600,
+	ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 4870 x2,
+	ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 4850 x2,
+	ATI FirePro V8750 (FireGL), ATI FirePro V7760 (FireGL),
+	ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4850, ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4850 X2,
+	ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI FirePro RV770, AMD FireStream 9270,
+	AMD FireStream 9250, ATI FirePro V8700 (FireGL),
+	ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4870, ATI Mobility RADEON M98,
+	ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4870, ATI Radeon 4800 Series,
+	ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI FirePro M7750, ATI M98, ATI M98, ATI M98,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650, ATI Radeon RV730 (AGP),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670, ATI FirePro M5750,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670, ATI Radeon RV730 (AGP),
+	ATI RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670], ATI RADEON E4600,
+	ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series, ATI RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650],
+	ATI FirePro V7750 (FireGL), ATI FirePro V5700 (FireGL),
+	ATI FirePro V3750 (FireGL), ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4830,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850, ATI FirePro M7740, ATI RV740,
+	ATI Radeon HD 4770, ATI Radeon HD 4700 Series, ATI Radeon HD 4770,
+	ATI FirePro M5750, ATI RV610, ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT,
+	ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro, ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP, ATI FireGL V4000,
+	ATI RV610, ATI Radeon HD 2350, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400, ATI RADEON E2400, ATI RV610,
+	ATI FireMV 2260, ATI RV670, ATI Radeon HD3870,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850, ATI Radeon HD3850,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850 X2, ATI RV670,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 X2,
+	ATI Radeon HD3870 X2, ATI FireGL V7700, ATI Radeon HD3850,
+	ATI Radeon HD3690, AMD Firestream 9170, ATI Radeon HD 4550,
+	ATI Radeon RV710, ATI Radeon RV710, ATI Radeon RV710,
+	ATI Radeon HD 4350, ATI Mobility Radeon 4300 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon 4500 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon 4500 Series,
+	ATI FirePro RG220, ATI Mobility Radeon 4330, ATI RV630,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT,
+	ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP, ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP,
+	ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro, ATI Gemini RV630,
+	ATI Gemini Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI FireGL V5600,
+	ATI FireGL V3600, ATI Radeon HD 2600 LE,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL Graphics Processor, ATI Radeon HD 3470,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI Radeon HD 3430,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI FirePro V3700, ATI FireMV 2450,
+	ATI FireMV 2260, ATI FireMV 2260, ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP, ATI Radeon HD 3600 PRO,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 3600 PRO,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3670,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5700, ATI Mobility FireGL V5725,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics, ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics, ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3300 Graphics, ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics,
+	ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics, ATI Radeon HD 4200, ATI Radeon 4100,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200, ATI Mobility Radeon 4100,
+	ATI Radeon HD 4290, ATI Radeon HD 4250, AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics, AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics, AMD Radeon HD 6300 Series Graphics,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6200 Series Graphics, CYPRESS,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter, AMD Firestream 9370,
+	AMD Firestream 9350, ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series, ATI Radeon HD 6700 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series, ATI Radeon HD 6700 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5570,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter, ATI Radeon HD 5670,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5570, ATI Radeon HD 5500 Series, REDWOOD,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon Graphics,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon Graphics, CEDAR,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter, ATI FirePro 2270, CEDAR,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5450, CEDAR, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN,
+	CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6900M Series, Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series, BARTS,
+	BARTS, Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series,
+	Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series, BARTS, BARTS, BARTS, BARTS,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series, AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS,
+	TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, CAICOS, CAICOS,
+	CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS,
+	CAICOS
+[    28.622] (++) using VT number 9
+
+[    28.634] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[    28.634] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
+[    28.634] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
+[    28.634] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
+	"screen1" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
+[    28.634] (==) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
+[    28.634] (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps)
+[    28.634] (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is TrueColor
+[    28.634] (==) RADEON(0): RGB weight 888
+[    28.634] (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC)
+[    28.634] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200" (ChipID = 0x9712)
+[    28.634] (II) RADEON(0): PCI card detected
+[    28.634] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    28.634] drmOpenDevice: open result is 10, (OK)
+[    28.634] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:01:05.0
+[    28.634] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    28.634] drmOpenDevice: open result is 10, (OK)
+[    28.634] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 10
+[    28.634] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:01:05.0
+[    28.634] (II) Loading sub module "exa"
+[    28.634] (II) LoadModule: "exa"
+[    28.634] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libexa.so
+[    28.635] (II) Module exa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.635] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 2.5.0
+[    28.635] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[    28.635] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: disabled
+[    28.635] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Pageflipping: enabled
+[    28.635] (II) RADEON(0): SwapBuffers wait for vsync: enabled
+[    28.651] (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 using monitor section monitor1
+[    28.651] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS has no monitor section
+[    28.655] (II) RADEON(0): Output HDMI-0 has no monitor section
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output VGA-0
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output LVDS
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer: LEN  Model: 4090  Serial#: 0
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Year: 2010  Week: 0
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Digital Display Input
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 29  vert.: 17
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): redX: 0.577 redY: 0.347   greenX: 0.338 greenY: 0.561
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): blueX: 0.159 blueY: 0.127   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): clock: 69.7 MHz   Image Size:  294 x 166 mm
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): h_active: 1366  h_sync: 1398  h_sync_end 1430 h_blank_end 1470 h_border: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): v_active: 768  v_sync: 771  v_sync_end 776 v_blanking: 786 v_border: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): clock: 57.8 MHz   Image Size:  294 x 166 mm
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): h_active: 1366  h_sync: 1398  h_sync_end 1430 h_blank_end 1470 h_border: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): v_active: 768  v_sync: 771  v_sync_end 776 v_blanking: 786 v_border: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Unknown vendor-specific block f
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0):  LP133WH2-TLM3
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	00ffffffffffff0030ae904000000000
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	00140103801d1178eafae59358568f28
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	20505400000001010101010101010101
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	0101010101013a1b5668500012302020
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	350026a6100000199116566850001230
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	2020350026a6100000190000000f008b
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	09328b092814090030e40000000000fe
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	004c503133335748322d544c4d330004
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Printing probed modes for output LVDS
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1366x768"x60.3   69.70  1366 1398 1430 1470  768 771 776 786 -hsync -vsync (47.4 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1366x768"x50.0   57.77  1366 1398 1430 1470  768 771 776 786 -hsync -vsync (39.3 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x720"x59.9   74.50  1280 1344 1472 1664  720 723 728 748 -hsync +vsync (44.8 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1152x768"x59.8   71.75  1152 1216 1328 1504  768 771 781 798 -hsync +vsync (47.7 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768"x59.9   63.50  1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync (47.8 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600"x59.9   38.25  800 832 912 1024  600 603 607 624 -hsync +vsync (37.4 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "848x480"x59.7   31.50  848 872 952 1056  480 483 493 500 -hsync +vsync (29.8 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "720x480"x59.7   26.75  720 744 808 896  480 483 493 500 -hsync +vsync (29.9 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.4   23.75  640 664 720 800  480 483 487 500 -hsync +vsync (29.7 kHz)
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output HDMI-0
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 disconnected
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS connected
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Output HDMI-0 disconnected
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS using initial mode 1366x768
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated.
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): mem size init: gart size :1fdff000 vram size: s:10000000 visible:fba0000
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): EXA: Driver will allow EXA pixmaps in VRAM
+[    28.676] (==) RADEON(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
+[    28.676] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
+[    28.676] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
+[    28.678] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so
+[    28.678] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.678] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    28.678] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[    28.678] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
+[    28.678] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
+[    28.678] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
+[    28.678] (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: r600
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): Front buffer size: 4224K
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): VRAM usage limit set to 228096K
+[    28.679] (==) RADEON(0): Backing store disabled
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): Setting EXA maxPitchBytes
+[    28.679] (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps
+[    28.679] (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
+[    28.679] (II)         Solid
+[    28.679] (II)         Copy
+[    28.679] (II)         Composite (RENDER acceleration)
+[    28.679] (II)         UploadToScreen
+[    28.679] (II)         DownloadFromScreen
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled
+[    28.679] (**) RADEON(0): DPMS enabled
+[    28.679] (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled
+[    28.737] (II) RADEON(0): Set up textured video
+[    28.737] (II) RADEON(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
+[    28.737] (--) RandR disabled
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control and GLX_MESA_swap_control
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_make_current_read
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects
+[    28.759] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/lib64/dri/r600_dri.so
+[    28.759] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0
+[    28.759] (II) RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 361 x 203
+[    28.776] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-8AA988DD479FAABEC4FC3CCCF4CC29B4948840B4.xkm
+[    28.820] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event6)
+[    28.820] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.820] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
+[    28.820] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.820] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.820] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 2.6.0
+[    28.820] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    28.820] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2
+[    28.820] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    28.820] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.820] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    28.820] (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event6"
+[    28.820] (--) Power Button: Found keys
+[    28.820] (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.820] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input6/event6"
+[    28.820] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.820] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.820] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.820] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.820] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.823] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-EE1ECEF4C94A920B7342969E748A5199DF4EDEDE.xkm
+[    28.865] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event3)
+[    28.865] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.865] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Video Bus'
+[    28.865] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.865] (**) Video Bus: always reports core events
+[    28.865] (**) Video Bus: Device: "/dev/input/event3"
+[    28.866] (--) Video Bus: Found keys
+[    28.866] (II) Video Bus: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.866] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A08:00/device:30/LNXVIDEO:02/input/input3/event3"
+[    28.866] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.866] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.866] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.866] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.866] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.877] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event4)
+[    28.877] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.877] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    28.877] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.877] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    28.877] (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event4"
+[    28.877] (--) Power Button: Found keys
+[    28.877] (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.877] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input4/event4"
+[    28.877] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.877] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.877] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.877] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.877] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.878] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Lid Switch (/dev/input/event5)
+[    28.878] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    28.890] (II) config/udev: Adding input device IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver (/dev/input/event8)
+[    28.890] (**) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.890] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver'
+[    28.890] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.890] (**) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: always reports core events
+[    28.890] (**) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Device: "/dev/input/event8"
+[    28.890] (--) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Found keys
+[    28.890] (II) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.890] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.2/usb1/1-2/rc/rc0/input8/event8"
+[    28.890] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.890] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.891] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.891] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.891] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.893] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Integrated Camera (/dev/input/event9)
+[    28.893] (**) Integrated Camera: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.893] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Integrated Camera'
+[    28.893] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.893] (**) Integrated Camera: always reports core events
+[    28.893] (**) Integrated Camera: Device: "/dev/input/event9"
+[    28.893] (--) Integrated Camera: Found keys
+[    28.893] (II) Integrated Camera: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.893] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:13.2/usb2/2-3/2-3:1.0/input/input9/event9"
+[    28.893] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Integrated Camera" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.893] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.893] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.893] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.893] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.895] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
+[    28.895] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.895] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'
+[    28.895] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.895] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
+[    28.895] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
+[    28.895] (--) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Found keys
+[    28.895] (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.895] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0/event0"
+[    28.895] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.895] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.895] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.895] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.895] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.896] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/event1)
+[    28.896] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad catchall"
+[    28.896] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
+[    28.896] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
+[    28.896] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    28.896] (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.896] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.5.0
+[    28.896] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    28.896] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2
+[    28.896] (II) Using input driver 'synaptics' for 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
+[    28.896] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    28.896] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    28.896] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: x-axis range 1472 - 5888
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: y-axis range 1408 - 5036
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: pressure range 0 - 255
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: finger width range 0 - 0
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right double triple
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Vendor 0x2 Product 0x7
+[    29.014] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    29.014] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    29.046] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input1/event1"
+[    29.046] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD)
+[    29.046] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) MinSpeed is now constant deceleration 2.5
+[    29.046] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: MaxSpeed is now 1.75
+[    29.046] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: AccelFactor is now 0.035
+[    29.047] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    29.047] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration profile 1
+[    29.047] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    29.047] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    29.047] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    29.047] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0)
+[    29.048] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Ignoring device from InputClass "touchpad ignore duplicates"
+[    29.048] (II) config/udev: Adding input device TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint (/dev/input/event2)
+[    29.048] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer catchall"
+[    29.048] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint'
+[    29.048] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    29.048] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: always reports core events
+[    29.048] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
+[    29.048] (--) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Found 3 mouse buttons
+[    29.049] (--) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Found relative axes
+[    29.049] (--) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Found x and y relative axes
+[    29.049] (II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Configuring as mouse
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
+[    29.049] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio4/serio5/input/input2/event2"
+[    29.049] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" (type: MOUSE)
+[    29.049] (II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: initialized for relative axes.
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: (accel) acceleration profile 0
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    29.050] (II) config/udev: Adding input device TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint (/dev/input/mouse1)
+[    29.050] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    29.051] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ThinkPad Extra Buttons (/dev/input/event7)
+[    29.051] (**) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    29.051] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'ThinkPad Extra Buttons'
+[    29.051] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    29.051] (**) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: always reports core events
+[    29.051] (**) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Device: "/dev/input/event7"
+[    29.051] (--) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Found keys
+[    29.051] (II) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Configuring as keyboard
+[    29.051] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/input/input7/event7"
+[    29.051] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "ThinkPad Extra Buttons" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    29.051] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    29.051] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    29.051] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    29.051] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    47.422] (II) Power Button: Close
+[    47.422] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.422] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.426] (II) Video Bus: Close
+[    47.426] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.426] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.432] (II) Power Button: Close
+[    47.432] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.432] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.439] (II) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Close
+[    47.439] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.439] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.444] (II) Integrated Camera: Close
+[    47.444] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.444] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.447] (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Close
+[    47.447] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.447] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.491] (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics"
+[    47.491] (II) Unloading synaptics
+[    47.523] (II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Close
+[    47.523] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.523] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.539] (II) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Close
+[    47.539] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.539] (II) Unloading evdev
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+[    28.611] _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
+[    28.611] _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/cauldron_edge:0
+[    28.611] _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6
+[    28.613] 
+X.Org X Server 1.10.4
+Release Date: 2011-08-19
+[    28.613] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[    28.613] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.33.7-server-2.2mnb Mageia
+[    28.613] Current Operating System: Linux cauldron_edge 3.0.4-desktop-1.mga2 #1 SMP Mon Aug 29 21:58:53 UTC 2011 x86_64
+[    28.613] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=cf63dd51-90c2-48be-8c61-3ab857f16db9 resume=UUID=d10ef61c-e5d5-4d5c-b345-88de1adecb76 splash=silent vga=788
+[    28.613] Build Date: 19 August 2011  08:41:10AM
+[    28.613]  
+[    28.613] Current version of pixman: 0.23.2
+[    28.613] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[    28.613] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+[    28.613] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Sep  9 08:01:20 2011
+[    28.613] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+[    28.613] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[    28.614] (==) ServerLayout "layout1"
+[    28.614] (**) |-->Screen "screen1" (0)
+[    28.614] (**) |   |-->Monitor "monitor1"
+[    28.614] (**) |   |-->Device "device1"
+[    28.614] (**) Option "DontZap" "False"
+[    28.614] (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
+[    28.614] (==) Automatically adding devices
+[    28.614] (==) Automatically enabling devices
+[    28.614] (==) FontPath set to:
+	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
+[    28.614] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib64/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib64/xorg/modules"
+[    28.614] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[    28.614] (II) Loader magic: 0x7da200
+[    28.614] (II) Module ABI versions:
+[    28.614] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
+[    28.614] 	X.Org Video Driver: 10.0
+[    28.614] 	X.Org XInput driver : 12.2
+[    28.614] 	X.Org Server Extension : 5.0
+[    28.615] (--) PCI:*(0:1:5:0) 1002:9712:17aa:21c6 rev 0, Mem @ 0xc0000000/268435456, 0xd0500000/65536, 0xd0400000/1048576, I/O @ 0x00009000/256
+[    28.615] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
+[    28.615] (II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
+[    28.615] (II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
+[    28.615] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default.
+[    28.615] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
+[    28.615] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
+[    28.615] (II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.
+[    28.615] (II) LoadModule: "v4l"
+[    28.616] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
+[    28.616] (II) Module v4l: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.616] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 0.1.1
+[    28.616] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[    28.616] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
+[    28.616] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
+[    28.616] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.616] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    28.616] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    28.616] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    28.616] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
+[    28.616] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
+[    28.616] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
+[    28.616] (II) Loading extension DPMS
+[    28.616] (II) Loading extension XVideo
+[    28.616] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
+[    28.616] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
+[    28.616] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
+[    28.616] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
+[    28.616] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.616] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    28.616] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    28.616] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    28.616] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
+[    28.616] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
+[    28.617] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+[    28.617] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.617] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    28.617] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    28.617] (==) AIGLX enabled
+[    28.617] (II) Loading extension GLX
+[    28.617] (II) LoadModule: "record"
+[    28.617] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
+[    28.617] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.617] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.13.0
+[    28.617] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    28.617] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    28.617] (II) Loading extension RECORD
+[    28.617] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
+[    28.617] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[    28.617] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.617] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    28.617] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    28.617] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[    28.617] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    28.618] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    28.618] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.618] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.2.0
+[    28.618] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    28.618] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[    28.618] (II) LoadModule: "ati"
+[    28.618] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so
+[    28.618] (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.618] 	compiled for 1.10.1, module version = 6.14.2
+[    28.618] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[    28.618] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[    28.618] (II) LoadModule: "radeon"
+[    28.619] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
+[    28.619] (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.619] 	compiled for 1.10.1, module version = 6.14.2
+[    28.619] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[    28.619] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[    28.619] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[    28.619] (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets:
+	ATI Radeon Mobility X600 (M24) 3150 (PCIE), ATI FireMV 2400 (PCI),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M24) 3152 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL M24 GL 3154 (PCIE), ATI FireMV 2400 3155 (PCI),
+	ATI Radeon X600 (RV380) 3E50 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL V3200 (RV380) 3E54 (PCIE), ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136,
+	ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137, ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX AF (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL Z1 AG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800SE AH (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9800 AI (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AJ (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL X2 AK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9600SE AQ (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600XT AR (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9600 AS (AGP), ATI FireGL T2 AT (AGP), ATI Radeon 9650,
+	ATI FireGL RV360 AV (AGP), ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237,
+	ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BB (AGP), ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336,
+	ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337,
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP 4437, ATI Radeon 9000/PRO If (AGP/PCI),
+	ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JH (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800PRO (R420) JI (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800SE (R420) JJ (AGP), ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JK (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800 (R420) JL (AGP), ATI FireGL X3 (R420) JM (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9800 (M18) JN (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800 SE (R420) (AGP), ATI Radeon X800XT (R420) JP (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X800 VE (R420) JT (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 (R480) (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480) (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon X850 PRO (R480) (AGP), ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (R480) (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP),
+	ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7 LX (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9) Ld (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lf (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lg (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX NF (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9800 NI (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 NK (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9800XT NJ (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 (M10/M11) NP (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NQ (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11) NR (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NS (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10) NT (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL Mobility T2e (M11) NV (AGP), ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
+	ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP), ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP/PCI),
+	ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP/PCI),
+	ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP/PCI), ATI ES1000 515E (PCI),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M22) 5460 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility X600 SE (M24C) 5462 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL M22 GL 5464 (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 (R423) UH (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800PRO (R423) UI (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800LE (R423) UJ (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800SE (R423) UK (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800 XTP (R430) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 XL (R430) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800 SE (R430) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X800 (R430) (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL V7100 (R423) (PCIE), ATI FireGL V5100 (R423) UQ (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL unknown (R423) UR (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL unknown (R423) UT (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X700 XL (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X550XTX 5657 (PCIE), ATI Radeon 9100 IGP (A5) 5834,
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 IGP (U3) 5835,
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5954 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE), ATI Radeon 9250 5960 (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5962 (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP), ATI FireMV 2200 (PCI),
+	ATI ES1000 5969 (PCI), ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5974 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5975 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5A41 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5A42 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 5A61 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5A62 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X300 (RV370) 5B60 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X600 (RV370) 5B62 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X550 (RV370) 5B63 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL V3100 (RV370) 5B64 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireMV 2200 PCIE (RV370) 5B65 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C61 (AGP),
+	ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C63 (AGP),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X800 XT (M28) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5100 (M28) (PCIE),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X800 (M28) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X850 5D4C (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (R480) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X850 PRO (R480) (PCIE),
+	ATI unknown Radeon / FireGL (R480) 5D50 (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X800XT (R423) 5D57 (PCIE),
+	ATI FireGL V5000 (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X700 XT (RV410) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X700 PRO (RV410) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X700 SE (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X700 (RV410) (PCIE),
+	ATI Radeon X700 SE (RV410) (PCIE), ATI Radeon X1800,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1800 XT, ATI Mobility Radeon X1800,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V7200, ATI FireGL V7200, ATI FireGL V5300,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V7100, ATI Radeon X1800, ATI Radeon X1800,
+	ATI Radeon X1800, ATI Radeon X1800, ATI Radeon X1800,
+	ATI FireGL V7300, ATI FireGL V7350, ATI Radeon X1600, ATI RV505,
+	ATI Radeon X1300/X1550, ATI Radeon X1550, ATI M54-GL,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1400, ATI Radeon X1300/X1550,
+	ATI Radeon X1550 64-bit, ATI Mobility Radeon X1300,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1300, ATI Mobility Radeon X1300,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1300,
+	ATI RV505, ATI RV505, ATI FireGL V3300, ATI FireGL V3350,
+	ATI Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1550 64-bit, ATI Radeon X1300/X1550,
+	ATI Radeon X1600, ATI Radeon X1300/X1550, ATI Mobility Radeon X1450,
+	ATI Radeon X1300/X1550, ATI Mobility Radeon X2300,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X2300, ATI Mobility Radeon X1350,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1350, ATI Mobility Radeon X1450,
+	ATI Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1550, ATI Mobility Radeon X1350,
+	ATI FireMV 2250, ATI Radeon X1550 64-bit, ATI Radeon X1600,
+	ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Radeon X1600, ATI Radeon X1600,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5200, ATI Mobility Radeon X1600,
+	ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Radeon X1600,
+	ATI Radeon X1300 XT/X1600 Pro, ATI FireGL V3400,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5250, ATI Mobility Radeon X1700,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1700 XT, ATI FireGL V5200,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon X1700, ATI Radeon X2300HD,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300,
+	ATI Radeon X1950, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1950,
+	ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900,
+	ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900,
+	ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1900,
+	ATI AMD Stream Processor, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1950,
+	ATI RV560, ATI RV560, ATI Mobility Radeon X1900, ATI RV560,
+	ATI Radeon X1950 GT, ATI RV570, ATI RV570, ATI FireGL V7400,
+	ATI RV560, ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Radeon X1650, ATI RV560,
+	ATI Radeon 9100 PRO IGP 7834, ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 IGP 7835,
+	ATI Radeon X1200, ATI Radeon X1200, ATI Radeon X1200,
+	ATI Radeon X1200, ATI Radeon X1200, ATI RS740, ATI RS740M, ATI RS740,
+	ATI RS740M, ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT,
+	ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2900 Pro, ATI Radeon HD 2900 GT,
+	ATI FireGL V8650, ATI FireGL V8600, ATI FireGL V7600,
+	ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 4870 x2,
+	ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 4850 x2,
+	ATI FirePro V8750 (FireGL), ATI FirePro V7760 (FireGL),
+	ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4850, ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4850 X2,
+	ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI FirePro RV770, AMD FireStream 9270,
+	AMD FireStream 9250, ATI FirePro V8700 (FireGL),
+	ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4870, ATI Mobility RADEON M98,
+	ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4870, ATI Radeon 4800 Series,
+	ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI FirePro M7750, ATI M98, ATI M98, ATI M98,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650, ATI Radeon RV730 (AGP),
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670, ATI FirePro M5750,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670, ATI Radeon RV730 (AGP),
+	ATI RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670], ATI RADEON E4600,
+	ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series, ATI RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650],
+	ATI FirePro V7750 (FireGL), ATI FirePro V5700 (FireGL),
+	ATI FirePro V3750 (FireGL), ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4830,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850, ATI FirePro M7740, ATI RV740,
+	ATI Radeon HD 4770, ATI Radeon HD 4700 Series, ATI Radeon HD 4770,
+	ATI FirePro M5750, ATI RV610, ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT,
+	ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro, ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP, ATI FireGL V4000,
+	ATI RV610, ATI Radeon HD 2350, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400, ATI RADEON E2400, ATI RV610,
+	ATI FireMV 2260, ATI RV670, ATI Radeon HD3870,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850, ATI Radeon HD3850,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850 X2, ATI RV670,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 X2,
+	ATI Radeon HD3870 X2, ATI FireGL V7700, ATI Radeon HD3850,
+	ATI Radeon HD3690, AMD Firestream 9170, ATI Radeon HD 4550,
+	ATI Radeon RV710, ATI Radeon RV710, ATI Radeon RV710,
+	ATI Radeon HD 4350, ATI Mobility Radeon 4300 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon 4500 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon 4500 Series,
+	ATI FirePro RG220, ATI Mobility Radeon 4330, ATI RV630,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT,
+	ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP, ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP,
+	ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro, ATI Gemini RV630,
+	ATI Gemini Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI FireGL V5600,
+	ATI FireGL V3600, ATI Radeon HD 2600 LE,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL Graphics Processor, ATI Radeon HD 3470,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI Radeon HD 3430,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI FirePro V3700, ATI FireMV 2450,
+	ATI FireMV 2260, ATI FireMV 2260, ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP, ATI Radeon HD 3600 PRO,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 3600 PRO,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3670,
+	ATI Mobility FireGL V5700, ATI Mobility FireGL V5725,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics, ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics, ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics,
+	ATI Radeon HD 3300 Graphics, ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics,
+	ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics, ATI Radeon HD 4200, ATI Radeon 4100,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200, ATI Mobility Radeon 4100,
+	ATI Radeon HD 4290, ATI Radeon HD 4250, AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics, AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics, AMD Radeon HD 6300 Series Graphics,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6200 Series Graphics, CYPRESS,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter, AMD Firestream 9370,
+	AMD Firestream 9350, ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series, ATI Radeon HD 6700 Series,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series, ATI Radeon HD 6700 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5570,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter, ATI Radeon HD 5670,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5570, ATI Radeon HD 5500 Series, REDWOOD,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon Graphics,
+	ATI Mobility Radeon Graphics, CEDAR,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter,
+	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter, ATI FirePro 2270, CEDAR,
+	ATI Radeon HD 5450, CEDAR, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN,
+	CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series, CAYMAN, CAYMAN, CAYMAN,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6900M Series, Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series, BARTS,
+	BARTS, Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series,
+	Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series, BARTS, BARTS, BARTS, BARTS,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series, AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series,
+	AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS,
+	TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, TURKS, CAICOS, CAICOS,
+	CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS, CAICOS,
+	CAICOS
+[    28.622] (++) using VT number 9
+
+[    28.634] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[    28.634] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
+[    28.634] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
+[    28.634] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
+	"screen1" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
+[    28.634] (==) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
+[    28.634] (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps)
+[    28.634] (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is TrueColor
+[    28.634] (==) RADEON(0): RGB weight 888
+[    28.634] (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC)
+[    28.634] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200" (ChipID = 0x9712)
+[    28.634] (II) RADEON(0): PCI card detected
+[    28.634] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    28.634] drmOpenDevice: open result is 10, (OK)
+[    28.634] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:01:05.0
+[    28.634] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    28.634] drmOpenDevice: open result is 10, (OK)
+[    28.634] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 10
+[    28.634] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:01:05.0
+[    28.634] (II) Loading sub module "exa"
+[    28.634] (II) LoadModule: "exa"
+[    28.634] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libexa.so
+[    28.635] (II) Module exa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.635] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 2.5.0
+[    28.635] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[    28.635] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: disabled
+[    28.635] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Pageflipping: enabled
+[    28.635] (II) RADEON(0): SwapBuffers wait for vsync: enabled
+[    28.651] (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 using monitor section monitor1
+[    28.651] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS has no monitor section
+[    28.655] (II) RADEON(0): Output HDMI-0 has no monitor section
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output VGA-0
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output LVDS
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer: LEN  Model: 4090  Serial#: 0
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Year: 2010  Week: 0
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Digital Display Input
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 29  vert.: 17
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): redX: 0.577 redY: 0.347   greenX: 0.338 greenY: 0.561
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): blueX: 0.159 blueY: 0.127   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    28.671] (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): clock: 69.7 MHz   Image Size:  294 x 166 mm
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): h_active: 1366  h_sync: 1398  h_sync_end 1430 h_blank_end 1470 h_border: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): v_active: 768  v_sync: 771  v_sync_end 776 v_blanking: 786 v_border: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): clock: 57.8 MHz   Image Size:  294 x 166 mm
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): h_active: 1366  h_sync: 1398  h_sync_end 1430 h_blank_end 1470 h_border: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): v_active: 768  v_sync: 771  v_sync_end 776 v_blanking: 786 v_border: 0
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Unknown vendor-specific block f
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0):  LP133WH2-TLM3
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	00ffffffffffff0030ae904000000000
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	00140103801d1178eafae59358568f28
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	20505400000001010101010101010101
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	0101010101013a1b5668500012302020
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	350026a6100000199116566850001230
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	2020350026a6100000190000000f008b
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	09328b092814090030e40000000000fe
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): 	004c503133335748322d544c4d330004
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Printing probed modes for output LVDS
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1366x768"x60.3   69.70  1366 1398 1430 1470  768 771 776 786 -hsync -vsync (47.4 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1366x768"x50.0   57.77  1366 1398 1430 1470  768 771 776 786 -hsync -vsync (39.3 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x720"x59.9   74.50  1280 1344 1472 1664  720 723 728 748 -hsync +vsync (44.8 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1152x768"x59.8   71.75  1152 1216 1328 1504  768 771 781 798 -hsync +vsync (47.7 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768"x59.9   63.50  1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync (47.8 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600"x59.9   38.25  800 832 912 1024  600 603 607 624 -hsync +vsync (37.4 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "848x480"x59.7   31.50  848 872 952 1056  480 483 493 500 -hsync +vsync (29.8 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "720x480"x59.7   26.75  720 744 808 896  480 483 493 500 -hsync +vsync (29.9 kHz)
+[    28.672] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.4   23.75  640 664 720 800  480 483 487 500 -hsync +vsync (29.7 kHz)
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output HDMI-0
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 disconnected
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS connected
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Output HDMI-0 disconnected
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS using initial mode 1366x768
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated.
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): mem size init: gart size :1fdff000 vram size: s:10000000 visible:fba0000
+[    28.676] (II) RADEON(0): EXA: Driver will allow EXA pixmaps in VRAM
+[    28.676] (==) RADEON(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
+[    28.676] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
+[    28.676] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
+[    28.678] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so
+[    28.678] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.678] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    28.678] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[    28.678] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
+[    28.678] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
+[    28.678] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
+[    28.678] (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: r600
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): Front buffer size: 4224K
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): VRAM usage limit set to 228096K
+[    28.679] (==) RADEON(0): Backing store disabled
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): Setting EXA maxPitchBytes
+[    28.679] (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps
+[    28.679] (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
+[    28.679] (II)         Solid
+[    28.679] (II)         Copy
+[    28.679] (II)         Composite (RENDER acceleration)
+[    28.679] (II)         UploadToScreen
+[    28.679] (II)         DownloadFromScreen
+[    28.679] (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled
+[    28.679] (**) RADEON(0): DPMS enabled
+[    28.679] (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled
+[    28.737] (II) RADEON(0): Set up textured video
+[    28.737] (II) RADEON(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
+[    28.737] (--) RandR disabled
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
+[    28.737] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control and GLX_MESA_swap_control
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_make_current_read
+[    28.758] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects
+[    28.759] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/lib64/dri/r600_dri.so
+[    28.759] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0
+[    28.759] (II) RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 361 x 203
+[    28.776] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-8AA988DD479FAABEC4FC3CCCF4CC29B4948840B4.xkm
+[    28.820] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event6)
+[    28.820] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.820] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
+[    28.820] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.820] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.820] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 2.6.0
+[    28.820] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    28.820] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2
+[    28.820] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    28.820] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.820] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    28.820] (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event6"
+[    28.820] (--) Power Button: Found keys
+[    28.820] (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.820] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input6/event6"
+[    28.820] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.820] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.820] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.820] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.820] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.823] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-EE1ECEF4C94A920B7342969E748A5199DF4EDEDE.xkm
+[    28.865] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event3)
+[    28.865] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.865] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Video Bus'
+[    28.865] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.865] (**) Video Bus: always reports core events
+[    28.865] (**) Video Bus: Device: "/dev/input/event3"
+[    28.866] (--) Video Bus: Found keys
+[    28.866] (II) Video Bus: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.866] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A08:00/device:30/LNXVIDEO:02/input/input3/event3"
+[    28.866] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.866] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.866] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.866] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.866] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.877] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event4)
+[    28.877] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.877] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    28.877] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.877] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    28.877] (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event4"
+[    28.877] (--) Power Button: Found keys
+[    28.877] (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.877] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input4/event4"
+[    28.877] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.877] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.877] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.877] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.877] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.878] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Lid Switch (/dev/input/event5)
+[    28.878] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    28.890] (II) config/udev: Adding input device IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver (/dev/input/event8)
+[    28.890] (**) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.890] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver'
+[    28.890] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.890] (**) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: always reports core events
+[    28.890] (**) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Device: "/dev/input/event8"
+[    28.890] (--) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Found keys
+[    28.890] (II) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.890] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.2/usb1/1-2/rc/rc0/input8/event8"
+[    28.890] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.890] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.891] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.891] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.891] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.893] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Integrated Camera (/dev/input/event9)
+[    28.893] (**) Integrated Camera: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.893] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Integrated Camera'
+[    28.893] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.893] (**) Integrated Camera: always reports core events
+[    28.893] (**) Integrated Camera: Device: "/dev/input/event9"
+[    28.893] (--) Integrated Camera: Found keys
+[    28.893] (II) Integrated Camera: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.893] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:13.2/usb2/2-3/2-3:1.0/input/input9/event9"
+[    28.893] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Integrated Camera" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.893] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.893] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.893] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.893] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.895] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
+[    28.895] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    28.895] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'
+[    28.895] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    28.895] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
+[    28.895] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
+[    28.895] (--) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Found keys
+[    28.895] (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
+[    28.895] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0/event0"
+[    28.895] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    28.895] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    28.895] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    28.895] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    28.895] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    28.896] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/event1)
+[    28.896] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad catchall"
+[    28.896] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
+[    28.896] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
+[    28.896] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    28.896] (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.896] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.5.0
+[    28.896] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    28.896] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2
+[    28.896] (II) Using input driver 'synaptics' for 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
+[    28.896] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    28.896] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    28.896] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: x-axis range 1472 - 5888
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: y-axis range 1408 - 5036
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: pressure range 0 - 255
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: finger width range 0 - 0
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right double triple
+[    28.981] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Vendor 0x2 Product 0x7
+[    29.014] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    29.014] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    29.046] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input1/event1"
+[    29.046] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD)
+[    29.046] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) MinSpeed is now constant deceleration 2.5
+[    29.046] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: MaxSpeed is now 1.75
+[    29.046] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: AccelFactor is now 0.035
+[    29.047] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    29.047] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration profile 1
+[    29.047] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    29.047] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    29.047] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    29.047] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0)
+[    29.048] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Ignoring device from InputClass "touchpad ignore duplicates"
+[    29.048] (II) config/udev: Adding input device TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint (/dev/input/event2)
+[    29.048] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer catchall"
+[    29.048] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint'
+[    29.048] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    29.048] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: always reports core events
+[    29.048] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
+[    29.048] (--) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Found 3 mouse buttons
+[    29.049] (--) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Found relative axes
+[    29.049] (--) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Found x and y relative axes
+[    29.049] (II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Configuring as mouse
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
+[    29.049] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio4/serio5/input/input2/event2"
+[    29.049] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" (type: MOUSE)
+[    29.049] (II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: initialized for relative axes.
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: (accel) acceleration profile 0
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    29.049] (**) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    29.050] (II) config/udev: Adding input device TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint (/dev/input/mouse1)
+[    29.050] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    29.051] (II) config/udev: Adding input device ThinkPad Extra Buttons (/dev/input/event7)
+[    29.051] (**) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    29.051] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'ThinkPad Extra Buttons'
+[    29.051] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    29.051] (**) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: always reports core events
+[    29.051] (**) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Device: "/dev/input/event7"
+[    29.051] (--) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Found keys
+[    29.051] (II) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Configuring as keyboard
+[    29.051] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/input/input7/event7"
+[    29.051] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "ThinkPad Extra Buttons" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    29.051] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    29.051] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    29.051] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de"
+[    29.051] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    47.422] (II) Power Button: Close
+[    47.422] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.422] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.426] (II) Video Bus: Close
+[    47.426] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.426] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.432] (II) Power Button: Close
+[    47.432] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.432] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.439] (II) IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver: Close
+[    47.439] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.439] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.444] (II) Integrated Camera: Close
+[    47.444] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.444] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.447] (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Close
+[    47.447] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.447] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.491] (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics"
+[    47.491] (II) Unloading synaptics
+[    47.523] (II) TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint: Close
+[    47.523] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.523] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    47.539] (II) ThinkPad Extra Buttons: Close
+[    47.539] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    47.539] (II) Unloading evdev
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+After the last updates in the morning KDE doesn&#39;t start.<div><br></div><div>Someone an idea?</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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+After the last updates in the morning KDE doesn&#39;t start.<div><br></div><div>Someone an idea?</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/9 Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+09.09.2011 16:51, Anne Nicolas kirjutas:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+As far as we know, Oxygen matches all these requirements. Oxygen exists<br>
+for all environments with the same maintainers for it. Thus, we would<br>
+like to discuss to switch to Oxygen as the default window decoration for<br>
+Mageia 2.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
++1 on that. I&#39;m already switched to it on all my systems. IaOra had just too many problems and Oxygen works very well. I prefer well working thing to an unique thing :)<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Sander<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>i agree with oxygen, is good looking and it goes very nice with Mageia, i dont see any negative point<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/9 Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+09.09.2011 16:51, Anne Nicolas kirjutas:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+As far as we know, Oxygen matches all these requirements. Oxygen exists<br>
+for all environments with the same maintainers for it. Thus, we would<br>
+like to discuss to switch to Oxygen as the default window decoration for<br>
+Mageia 2.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
++1 on that. I&#39;m already switched to it on all my systems. IaOra had just too many problems and Oxygen works very well. I prefer well working thing to an unique thing :)<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Sander<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>i agree with oxygen, is good looking and it goes very nice with Mageia, i dont see any negative point<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p>I can confirm the sound issue.</p>
+<p>I also lost knetworkmanager and had to use drakxnet.</p>
+<p>I can give more details when I am on my laptop.</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 9 Sep 2011 08:50, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>2011/9/9 Kira &lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+
+<p><font color="#500050">&gt; I got problem with systemd. If you switch to systemd and systemd-sysvinit,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; then after some upd...</font></p>That&#39;s the whole point of cauldron, getting more test coverage earlier in order<br>
+
+to fix bugs earlier<br>
+</blockquote></p>
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+<p>I can confirm the sound issue.</p>
+<p>I also lost knetworkmanager and had to use drakxnet.</p>
+<p>I can give more details when I am on my laptop.</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 9 Sep 2011 08:50, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>2011/9/9 Kira &lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+
+<p><font color="#500050">&gt; I got problem with systemd. If you switch to systemd and systemd-sysvinit,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; then after some upd...</font></p>That&#39;s the whole point of cauldron, getting more test coverage earlier in order<br>
+
+to fix bugs earlier<br>
+</blockquote></p>
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+<p>Could be, I haven&#39;t had time to look into it yet. I will investigate later if I can find the time.</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 9 Sep 2011 09:03, &quot;Guillaume Rousse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>Le 09/09/2011 10:00, Andres Kaaber a écrit :<p><font color="#500050"><br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; I can also confirm the sound and network problem, but for me just<br>&gt; loging out and back in fixe...</font></p>
+probably because networkmanager isn&#39;t enabled by default, as told in the README.urpmi message ? (OK, this behaviour ought to be changed also).<br><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #267:<br>
+<br>
+The UPS is on strike.<br>
+</font></blockquote></p>
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+<p>Could be, I haven&#39;t had time to look into it yet. I will investigate later if I can find the time.</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 9 Sep 2011 09:03, &quot;Guillaume Rousse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>Le 09/09/2011 10:00, Andres Kaaber a écrit :<p><font color="#500050"><br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; I can also confirm the sound and network problem, but for me just<br>&gt; loging out and back in fixe...</font></p>
+probably because networkmanager isn&#39;t enabled by default, as told in the README.urpmi message ? (OK, this behaviour ought to be changed also).<br><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #267:<br>
+<br>
+The UPS is on strike.<br>
+</font></blockquote></p>
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+xauth:  file /home/test/.serverauth.30978 does not exist
+
+
+X.Org X Server 1.10.4
+Release Date: 2011-08-19
+X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.33.7-server-2.2mnb Mageia
+Current Operating System: Linux prokyon.oli-home 3.0.4-desktop586-1.mga2 #1 SMP Mon Aug 29 21:59:02 UTC 2011 i686
+Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=2972136b-8b5e-49fd-b70a-b714d2c9d1bc resume=UUID=7f4d6f95-90b2-42b1-a1fb-ecbdc548759b splash=silent vga=788
+Build Date: 19 August 2011  08:41:43AM
+ 
+Current version of pixman: 0.23.2
+	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Sep  9 08:42:49 2011
+(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+FATAL: Module fbcon not found.
+The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
+> Warning:          Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols
+>                   Ignoring extra symbols
+Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
+xinit: connection to X server lost
+
+waiting for X server to shut down 
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+[    49.106] 
+X.Org X Server 1.10.4
+Release Date: 2011-08-19
+[    49.106] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[    49.106] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.33.7-server-2.2mnb Mageia
+[    49.106] Current Operating System: Linux prokyon.oli-home 3.0.4-desktop586-1.mga2 #1 SMP Mon Aug 29 21:59:02 UTC 2011 i686
+[    49.107] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=2972136b-8b5e-49fd-b70a-b714d2c9d1bc resume=UUID=7f4d6f95-90b2-42b1-a1fb-ecbdc548759b splash=silent vga=788
+[    49.107] Build Date: 19 August 2011  08:41:43AM
+[    49.107]  
+[    49.107] Current version of pixman: 0.23.2
+[    49.107] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[    49.107] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+[    49.108] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Sep  9 08:46:20 2011
+[    49.108] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+[    49.108] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[    49.109] (==) ServerLayout "layout1"
+[    49.109] (**) |-->Screen "screen1" (0)
+[    49.109] (**) |   |-->Monitor "monitor1"
+[    49.110] (**) |   |-->Device "device1"
+[    49.110] (**) Option "DontZap" "False"
+[    49.110] (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
+[    49.110] (==) Automatically adding devices
+[    49.110] (==) Automatically enabling devices
+[    49.111] (==) FontPath set to:
+	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
+[    49.111] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
+[    49.111] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[    49.111] (II) Loader magic: 0x8236dc0
+[    49.111] (II) Module ABI versions:
+[    49.111] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
+[    49.111] 	X.Org Video Driver: 10.0
+[    49.111] 	X.Org XInput driver : 12.2
+[    49.111] 	X.Org Server Extension : 5.0
+[    49.113] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:27ae:144d:c05d rev 3, Mem @ 0xf0000000/524288, 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xf0200000/262144, I/O @ 0x00001800/8
+[    49.114] (--) PCI: (0:0:2:1) 8086:27a6:144d:c05d rev 3, Mem @ 0xf0080000/524288
+[    49.114] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
+[    49.114] (II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.114] (II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.114] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.115] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.115] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.115] (II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.115] (II) LoadModule: "v4l"
+[    49.116] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
+[    49.116] (II) Module v4l: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.117] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 0.1.1
+[    49.117] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[    49.117] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
+[    49.117] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
+[    49.118] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.118] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.118] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    49.118] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension DPMS
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension XVideo
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
+[    49.118] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
+[    49.119] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
+[    49.119] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.119] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.119] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    49.119] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.119] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
+[    49.119] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
+[    49.120] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+[    49.120] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.120] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.120] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.121] (==) AIGLX enabled
+[    49.121] (II) Loading extension GLX
+[    49.121] (II) LoadModule: "record"
+[    49.121] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
+[    49.122] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.122] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.13.0
+[    49.122] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    49.122] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.122] (II) Loading extension RECORD
+[    49.122] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
+[    49.123] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[    49.123] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.123] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.123] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.123] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[    49.124] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    49.124] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    49.125] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.125] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.2.0
+[    49.125] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.125] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[    49.125] (II) LoadModule: "intel"
+[    49.126] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
+[    49.126] (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.126] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 2.16.0
+[    49.126] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[    49.126] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[    49.126] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[    49.126] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
+	i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
+	E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G,
+	965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45,
+	4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, B43, Clarkdale, Arrandale,
+	Sandybridge Desktop (GT1), Sandybridge Desktop (GT2),
+	Sandybridge Desktop (GT2+), Sandybridge Mobile (GT1),
+	Sandybridge Mobile (GT2), Sandybridge Mobile (GT2+),
+	Sandybridge Server, Ivybridge Mobile (GT1), Ivybridge Mobile (GT2),
+	Ivybridge Desktop (GT1), Ivybridge Desktop (GT2), Ivybridge Server
+[    49.128] (++) using VT number 8
+
+[    49.136] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[    49.142] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
+[    49.142] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    49.143] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)
+[    49.143] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:00:02.0
+[    49.143] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    49.143] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)
+[    49.143] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 9
+[    49.143] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:00:02.0
+[    49.143] (II) intel(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
+	"screen1" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
+[    49.143] (==) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
+[    49.143] (==) intel(0): RGB weight 888
+[    49.143] (==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor
+[    49.143] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 945GME
+[    49.143] (--) intel(0): Chipset: "945GME"
+[    49.143] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing disabled
+[    49.143] (**) intel(0): Wait on SwapBuffers? enabled
+[    49.143] (**) intel(0): Triple buffering? enabled
+[    49.143] (**) intel(0): Framebuffer tiled
+[    49.144] (**) intel(0): Pixmaps tiled
+[    49.144] (**) intel(0): 3D buffers tiled
+[    49.144] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait enabled
+[    49.144] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe
+[    49.144] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 using monitor section monitor1
+[    49.145] (II) intel(0): found backlight control interface /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 has no monitor section
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): EDID for output LVDS1
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer: HSD  Model: 3e9  Serial#: 497
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): Year: 2009  Week: 38
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): Digital Display Input
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 22  vert.: 13
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): No DPMS capabilities specified
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): redX: 0.592 redY: 0.355   greenX: 0.327 greenY: 0.555
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): blueX: 0.154 blueY: 0.094   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): clock: 45.0 MHz   Image Size:  222 x 125 mm
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): h_active: 1024  h_sync: 1077  h_sync_end 1112 h_blank_end 1200 h_border: 0
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): v_active: 600  v_sync: 604  v_sync_end 609 v_blanking: 625 v_border: 0
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0):  
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): Monitor name: HSD101PFW2
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	00ffffffffffff002264e903f1010000
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	2613010380160d780a8c85975b538e27
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	18505400000001010101010101010101
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	010101010101941100b0405819203523
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	4500de7d00000019000000fe00000000
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	00000000000000000000000000fc0048
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	5344313031504657320a202000000010
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	000a20202020202020202020202000c4
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor "HSD", prod id 1001
+[    49.172] (II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[    49.172] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x600"x0.0   45.00  1024 1077 1112 1200  600 604 609 625 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz)
+[    49.172] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Printing probed modes for output LVDS1
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x600"x60.0   45.00  1024 1077 1112 1200  600 604 609 625 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2   36.00  800 824 896 1024  600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Modeline "768x576"x100.0   63.07  768 800 960 1024  576 578 590 616 (61.6 kHz)
+[    49.174] (II) intel(0): Modeline "768x576"x79.4   50.00  768 832 846 1000  576 590 595 630 (50.0 kHz)
+[    49.174] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): EDID for output VGA1
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 connected
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 disconnected
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 using initial mode 1024x600
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated.
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Kernel page flipping support detected, enabling
+[    49.198] (**) intel(0): Display dimensions: (220, 130) mm
+[    49.198] (**) intel(0): DPI set to (118, 117)
+[    49.199] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
+[    49.199] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
+[    49.202] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
+[    49.203] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.203] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.203] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[    49.203] (II) Loading sub module "dri2"
+[    49.203] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    49.205] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    49.205] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.205] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.2.0
+[    49.205] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.205] (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
+[    49.206] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
+[    49.206] (II) intel(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: i915
+[    49.206] (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 1024x600 stride 4096, tiled
+[    49.206] (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
+[    49.206] (II)         solid
+[    49.206] (II)         copy
+[    49.206] (II)         composite (RENDER acceleration)
+[    49.206] (II)         put_image
+[    49.206] (II)         get_image
+[    49.207] (==) intel(0): Backing store disabled
+[    49.207] (==) intel(0): Silken mouse enabled
+[    49.207] (II) intel(0): Initializing HW Cursor
+[    49.225] (II) intel(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
+[    49.230] (**) intel(0): DPMS enabled
+[    49.230] (==) intel(0): Intel XvMC decoder disabled
+[    49.289] (II) intel(0): Set up textured video
+[    49.289] (II) intel(0): Set up overlay video
+[    49.290] (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled
+[    49.290] (==) intel(0): hotplug detection: "enabled"
+[    49.290] (--) RandR disabled
+[    49.290] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
+[    49.290] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control and GLX_MESA_swap_control
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_make_current_read
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects
+[    49.329] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so
+[    49.329] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0
+[    49.330] (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 270 x 158
+[    49.358] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-8AA988DD479FAABEC4FC3CCCF4CC29B4948840B4.xkm
+[    49.450] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event6)
+[    49.450] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.450] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
+[    49.451] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.451] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.451] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 2.6.0
+[    49.451] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    49.451] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2
+[    49.451] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    49.451] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.452] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    49.452] (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event6"
+[    49.452] (--) Power Button: Found keys
+[    49.452] (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.452] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input6/event6"
+[    49.452] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.452] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.452] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.452] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.452] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.461] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-A1790130F6E38F7DA616F25622CE9393E3139306.xkm
+[    49.556] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event2)
+[    49.556] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.556] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Video Bus'
+[    49.556] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.556] (**) Video Bus: always reports core events
+[    49.556] (**) Video Bus: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
+[    49.556] (--) Video Bus: Found keys
+[    49.556] (II) Video Bus: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.556] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input2/event2"
+[    49.556] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.556] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.557] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.557] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.557] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.568] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event4)
+[    49.568] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.568] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    49.568] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.568] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    49.568] (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event4"
+[    49.568] (--) Power Button: Found keys
+[    49.568] (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.568] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input4/event4"
+[    49.568] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.568] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.568] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.568] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.568] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.570] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Lid Switch (/dev/input/event3)
+[    49.570] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    49.571] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Sleep Button (/dev/input/event5)
+[    49.571] (**) Sleep Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.571] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Sleep Button'
+[    49.571] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.571] (**) Sleep Button: always reports core events
+[    49.571] (**) Sleep Button: Device: "/dev/input/event5"
+[    49.571] (--) Sleep Button: Found keys
+[    49.571] (II) Sleep Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.572] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0E:00/input/input5/event5"
+[    49.572] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Sleep Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.572] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.572] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.572] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.572] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.578] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Mic (/dev/input/event8)
+[    49.578] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    49.579] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Headphone (/dev/input/event9)
+[    49.579] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    49.586] (II) config/udev: Adding input device WebCam SCB-0340N (/dev/input/event7)
+[    49.586] (**) WebCam SCB-0340N: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.586] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'WebCam SCB-0340N'
+[    49.586] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.587] (**) WebCam SCB-0340N: always reports core events
+[    49.587] (**) WebCam SCB-0340N: Device: "/dev/input/event7"
+[    49.587] (--) WebCam SCB-0340N: Found keys
+[    49.587] (II) WebCam SCB-0340N: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.587] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-8/1-8:1.0/input/input7/event7"
+[    49.587] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "WebCam SCB-0340N" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.587] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.587] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.587] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.587] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.598] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
+[    49.598] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.598] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'
+[    49.598] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.598] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
+[    49.598] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
+[    49.598] (--) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Found keys
+[    49.598] (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.598] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0/event0"
+[    49.598] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.598] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.598] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.598] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.598] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.601] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/event1)
+[    49.601] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad catchall"
+[    49.601] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
+[    49.601] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
+[    49.601] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    49.602] (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.602] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.5.0
+[    49.602] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    49.602] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2
+[    49.602] (II) Using input driver 'synaptics' for 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
+[    49.602] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    49.602] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    49.602] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: x-axis range 1472 - 5806
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: y-axis range 1408 - 4906
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: pressure range 0 - 255
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: finger width range 0 - 0
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right double triple
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Vendor 0x2 Product 0x7
+[    49.727] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    49.727] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    49.759] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input1/event1"
+[    49.759] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD)
+[    49.759] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) MinSpeed is now constant deceleration 2.5
+[    49.759] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: MaxSpeed is now 1.75
+[    49.759] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: AccelFactor is now 0.036
+[    49.760] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    49.760] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration profile 1
+[    49.760] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    49.760] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    49.761] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    49.762] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0)
+[    49.762] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Ignoring device from InputClass "touchpad ignore duplicates"
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/9da02499/attachment-0003.log b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/9da02499/attachment-0003.log
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..b82a525ca
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/9da02499/attachment-0003.log
@@ -0,0 +1,28 @@
+xauth:  file /home/test/.serverauth.30978 does not exist
+
+
+X.Org X Server 1.10.4
+Release Date: 2011-08-19
+X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.33.7-server-2.2mnb Mageia
+Current Operating System: Linux prokyon.oli-home 3.0.4-desktop586-1.mga2 #1 SMP Mon Aug 29 21:59:02 UTC 2011 i686
+Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=2972136b-8b5e-49fd-b70a-b714d2c9d1bc resume=UUID=7f4d6f95-90b2-42b1-a1fb-ecbdc548759b splash=silent vga=788
+Build Date: 19 August 2011  08:41:43AM
+ 
+Current version of pixman: 0.23.2
+	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Sep  9 08:42:49 2011
+(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+FATAL: Module fbcon not found.
+The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
+> Warning:          Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols
+>                   Ignoring extra symbols
+Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
+xinit: connection to X server lost
+
+waiting for X server to shut down 
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/9da02499/attachment.log b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/9da02499/attachment.log
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..5d5e63b5c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/9da02499/attachment.log
@@ -0,0 +1,387 @@
+[    49.106] 
+X.Org X Server 1.10.4
+Release Date: 2011-08-19
+[    49.106] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[    49.106] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.33.7-server-2.2mnb Mageia
+[    49.106] Current Operating System: Linux prokyon.oli-home 3.0.4-desktop586-1.mga2 #1 SMP Mon Aug 29 21:59:02 UTC 2011 i686
+[    49.107] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=2972136b-8b5e-49fd-b70a-b714d2c9d1bc resume=UUID=7f4d6f95-90b2-42b1-a1fb-ecbdc548759b splash=silent vga=788
+[    49.107] Build Date: 19 August 2011  08:41:43AM
+[    49.107]  
+[    49.107] Current version of pixman: 0.23.2
+[    49.107] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[    49.107] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+[    49.108] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Sep  9 08:46:20 2011
+[    49.108] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+[    49.108] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[    49.109] (==) ServerLayout "layout1"
+[    49.109] (**) |-->Screen "screen1" (0)
+[    49.109] (**) |   |-->Monitor "monitor1"
+[    49.110] (**) |   |-->Device "device1"
+[    49.110] (**) Option "DontZap" "False"
+[    49.110] (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
+[    49.110] (==) Automatically adding devices
+[    49.110] (==) Automatically enabling devices
+[    49.111] (==) FontPath set to:
+	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
+[    49.111] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
+[    49.111] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[    49.111] (II) Loader magic: 0x8236dc0
+[    49.111] (II) Module ABI versions:
+[    49.111] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
+[    49.111] 	X.Org Video Driver: 10.0
+[    49.111] 	X.Org XInput driver : 12.2
+[    49.111] 	X.Org Server Extension : 5.0
+[    49.113] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:27ae:144d:c05d rev 3, Mem @ 0xf0000000/524288, 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xf0200000/262144, I/O @ 0x00001800/8
+[    49.114] (--) PCI: (0:0:2:1) 8086:27a6:144d:c05d rev 3, Mem @ 0xf0080000/524288
+[    49.114] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
+[    49.114] (II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.114] (II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.114] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.115] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.115] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.115] (II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.
+[    49.115] (II) LoadModule: "v4l"
+[    49.116] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
+[    49.116] (II) Module v4l: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.117] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 0.1.1
+[    49.117] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[    49.117] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
+[    49.117] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
+[    49.118] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.118] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.118] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    49.118] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension DPMS
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension XVideo
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
+[    49.118] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
+[    49.118] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
+[    49.119] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
+[    49.119] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.119] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.119] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    49.119] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.119] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
+[    49.119] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
+[    49.120] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+[    49.120] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.120] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.120] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.121] (==) AIGLX enabled
+[    49.121] (II) Loading extension GLX
+[    49.121] (II) LoadModule: "record"
+[    49.121] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
+[    49.122] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.122] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.13.0
+[    49.122] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    49.122] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.122] (II) Loading extension RECORD
+[    49.122] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
+[    49.123] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[    49.123] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.123] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.123] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.123] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[    49.124] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    49.124] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    49.125] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.125] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.2.0
+[    49.125] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.125] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[    49.125] (II) LoadModule: "intel"
+[    49.126] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
+[    49.126] (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.126] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 2.16.0
+[    49.126] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[    49.126] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0
+[    49.126] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[    49.126] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
+	i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
+	E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G,
+	965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45,
+	4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, B43, Clarkdale, Arrandale,
+	Sandybridge Desktop (GT1), Sandybridge Desktop (GT2),
+	Sandybridge Desktop (GT2+), Sandybridge Mobile (GT1),
+	Sandybridge Mobile (GT2), Sandybridge Mobile (GT2+),
+	Sandybridge Server, Ivybridge Mobile (GT1), Ivybridge Mobile (GT2),
+	Ivybridge Desktop (GT1), Ivybridge Desktop (GT2), Ivybridge Server
+[    49.128] (++) using VT number 8
+
+[    49.136] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[    49.142] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
+[    49.142] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    49.143] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)
+[    49.143] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:00:02.0
+[    49.143] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    49.143] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)
+[    49.143] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 9
+[    49.143] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:00:02.0
+[    49.143] (II) intel(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
+	"screen1" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
+[    49.143] (==) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
+[    49.143] (==) intel(0): RGB weight 888
+[    49.143] (==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor
+[    49.143] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 945GME
+[    49.143] (--) intel(0): Chipset: "945GME"
+[    49.143] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing disabled
+[    49.143] (**) intel(0): Wait on SwapBuffers? enabled
+[    49.143] (**) intel(0): Triple buffering? enabled
+[    49.143] (**) intel(0): Framebuffer tiled
+[    49.144] (**) intel(0): Pixmaps tiled
+[    49.144] (**) intel(0): 3D buffers tiled
+[    49.144] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait enabled
+[    49.144] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe
+[    49.144] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 using monitor section monitor1
+[    49.145] (II) intel(0): found backlight control interface /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 has no monitor section
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): EDID for output LVDS1
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer: HSD  Model: 3e9  Serial#: 497
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): Year: 2009  Week: 38
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    49.169] (II) intel(0): Digital Display Input
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 22  vert.: 13
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): No DPMS capabilities specified
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): redX: 0.592 redY: 0.355   greenX: 0.327 greenY: 0.555
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): blueX: 0.154 blueY: 0.094   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): clock: 45.0 MHz   Image Size:  222 x 125 mm
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): h_active: 1024  h_sync: 1077  h_sync_end 1112 h_blank_end 1200 h_border: 0
+[    49.170] (II) intel(0): v_active: 600  v_sync: 604  v_sync_end 609 v_blanking: 625 v_border: 0
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0):  
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): Monitor name: HSD101PFW2
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	00ffffffffffff002264e903f1010000
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	2613010380160d780a8c85975b538e27
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	18505400000001010101010101010101
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	010101010101941100b0405819203523
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	4500de7d00000019000000fe00000000
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	00000000000000000000000000fc0048
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	5344313031504657320a202000000010
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): 	000a20202020202020202020202000c4
+[    49.171] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor "HSD", prod id 1001
+[    49.172] (II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[    49.172] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x600"x0.0   45.00  1024 1077 1112 1200  600 604 609 625 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz)
+[    49.172] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Printing probed modes for output LVDS1
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x600"x60.0   45.00  1024 1077 1112 1200  600 604 609 625 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2   36.00  800 824 896 1024  600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz)
+[    49.173] (II) intel(0): Modeline "768x576"x100.0   63.07  768 800 960 1024  576 578 590 616 (61.6 kHz)
+[    49.174] (II) intel(0): Modeline "768x576"x79.4   50.00  768 832 846 1000  576 590 595 630 (50.0 kHz)
+[    49.174] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): EDID for output VGA1
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 connected
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 disconnected
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 using initial mode 1024x600
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated.
+[    49.198] (II) intel(0): Kernel page flipping support detected, enabling
+[    49.198] (**) intel(0): Display dimensions: (220, 130) mm
+[    49.198] (**) intel(0): DPI set to (118, 117)
+[    49.199] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
+[    49.199] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
+[    49.202] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
+[    49.203] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.203] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    49.203] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[    49.203] (II) Loading sub module "dri2"
+[    49.203] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    49.205] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    49.205] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.205] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.2.0
+[    49.205] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 5.0
+[    49.205] (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
+[    49.206] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
+[    49.206] (II) intel(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: i915
+[    49.206] (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 1024x600 stride 4096, tiled
+[    49.206] (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
+[    49.206] (II)         solid
+[    49.206] (II)         copy
+[    49.206] (II)         composite (RENDER acceleration)
+[    49.206] (II)         put_image
+[    49.206] (II)         get_image
+[    49.207] (==) intel(0): Backing store disabled
+[    49.207] (==) intel(0): Silken mouse enabled
+[    49.207] (II) intel(0): Initializing HW Cursor
+[    49.225] (II) intel(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
+[    49.230] (**) intel(0): DPMS enabled
+[    49.230] (==) intel(0): Intel XvMC decoder disabled
+[    49.289] (II) intel(0): Set up textured video
+[    49.289] (II) intel(0): Set up overlay video
+[    49.290] (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled
+[    49.290] (==) intel(0): hotplug detection: "enabled"
+[    49.290] (--) RandR disabled
+[    49.290] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
+[    49.290] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
+[    49.291] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control and GLX_MESA_swap_control
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_make_current_read
+[    49.328] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects
+[    49.329] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so
+[    49.329] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0
+[    49.330] (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 270 x 158
+[    49.358] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-8AA988DD479FAABEC4FC3CCCF4CC29B4948840B4.xkm
+[    49.450] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event6)
+[    49.450] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.450] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
+[    49.451] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.451] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.451] 	compiled for 1.10.0, module version = 2.6.0
+[    49.451] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    49.451] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2
+[    49.451] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    49.451] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.452] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    49.452] (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event6"
+[    49.452] (--) Power Button: Found keys
+[    49.452] (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.452] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input6/event6"
+[    49.452] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.452] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.452] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.452] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.452] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.461] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-A1790130F6E38F7DA616F25622CE9393E3139306.xkm
+[    49.556] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event2)
+[    49.556] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.556] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Video Bus'
+[    49.556] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.556] (**) Video Bus: always reports core events
+[    49.556] (**) Video Bus: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
+[    49.556] (--) Video Bus: Found keys
+[    49.556] (II) Video Bus: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.556] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input2/event2"
+[    49.556] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.556] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.557] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.557] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.557] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.568] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event4)
+[    49.568] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.568] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    49.568] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.568] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    49.568] (**) Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event4"
+[    49.568] (--) Power Button: Found keys
+[    49.568] (II) Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.568] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input4/event4"
+[    49.568] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.568] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.568] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.568] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.568] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.570] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Lid Switch (/dev/input/event3)
+[    49.570] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    49.571] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Sleep Button (/dev/input/event5)
+[    49.571] (**) Sleep Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.571] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Sleep Button'
+[    49.571] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.571] (**) Sleep Button: always reports core events
+[    49.571] (**) Sleep Button: Device: "/dev/input/event5"
+[    49.571] (--) Sleep Button: Found keys
+[    49.571] (II) Sleep Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.572] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0E:00/input/input5/event5"
+[    49.572] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Sleep Button" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.572] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.572] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.572] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.572] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.578] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Mic (/dev/input/event8)
+[    49.578] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    49.579] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Headphone (/dev/input/event9)
+[    49.579] (II) No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring)
+[    49.586] (II) config/udev: Adding input device WebCam SCB-0340N (/dev/input/event7)
+[    49.586] (**) WebCam SCB-0340N: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.586] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'WebCam SCB-0340N'
+[    49.586] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.587] (**) WebCam SCB-0340N: always reports core events
+[    49.587] (**) WebCam SCB-0340N: Device: "/dev/input/event7"
+[    49.587] (--) WebCam SCB-0340N: Found keys
+[    49.587] (II) WebCam SCB-0340N: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.587] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-8/1-8:1.0/input/input7/event7"
+[    49.587] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "WebCam SCB-0340N" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.587] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.587] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.587] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.587] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.598] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
+[    49.598] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    49.598] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'
+[    49.598] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    49.598] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
+[    49.598] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
+[    49.598] (--) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Found keys
+[    49.598] (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
+[    49.598] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0/event0"
+[    49.598] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD)
+[    49.598] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    49.598] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    49.598] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "de(nodeadkeys)"
+[    49.598] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    49.601] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/event1)
+[    49.601] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad catchall"
+[    49.601] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
+[    49.601] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
+[    49.601] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    49.602] (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    49.602] 	compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 1.5.0
+[    49.602] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    49.602] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2
+[    49.602] (II) Using input driver 'synaptics' for 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
+[    49.602] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    49.602] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    49.602] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: x-axis range 1472 - 5806
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: y-axis range 1408 - 4906
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: pressure range 0 - 255
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: finger width range 0 - 0
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right double triple
+[    49.695] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Vendor 0x2 Product 0x7
+[    49.727] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    49.727] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    49.759] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input1/event1"
+[    49.759] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD)
+[    49.759] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) MinSpeed is now constant deceleration 2.5
+[    49.759] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: MaxSpeed is now 1.75
+[    49.759] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: AccelFactor is now 0.036
+[    49.760] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    49.760] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration profile 1
+[    49.760] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    49.760] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    49.761] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    49.762] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0)
+[    49.762] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Ignoring device from InputClass "touchpad ignore duplicates"
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+Excuse me, but I have not a lot of experience.<div>So can you tell me which files a needed.<br></div>
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+Excuse me, but I have not a lot of experience.<div>So can you tell me which files a needed.<br></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/9  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Can you join more things (logs, stderr, ...)? Thanks.<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>What is neccessary?
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/cf001515/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/cf001515/attachment.html
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/9  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Can you join more things (logs, stderr, ...)? Thanks.<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>What is neccessary?
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+It seems bug 2677
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/dd701230/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110909/dd701230/attachment.html
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+It seems bug 2677
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+xsession-errors<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
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+/etc/X11/xinit.d/30dbus: Zeile 2: Dateiende beim Suchen nach `"' erreicht.
+/etc/X11/xinit.d/30dbus: Zeile 5: Syntax Fehler: Unerwartetes Dateiende.
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+xsession-errors<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div>
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+/etc/X11/xinit.d/30dbus: Zeile 2: Dateiende beim Suchen nach `"' erreicht.
+/etc/X11/xinit.d/30dbus: Zeile 5: Syntax Fehler: Unerwartetes Dateiende.
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+I have a Prob to update my system:<div><br></div><div><div>[root@tux_edge magnus]# LC_ALL=C urpmi --auto-update</div><div>medium &quot;Core Release&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Core Updates&quot; is up-to-date</div>
+<div>medium &quot;Nonfree Release&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Nonfree Updates&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Tainted Release&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Tainted Updates&quot; is up-to-date</div>
+<div>medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Core 32bit Updates&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:</div><div>dkms-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64</div>
+<div> (in order to install dkms-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64) (y/N) y</div><div>To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:</div><div>   Package                        Version      Release       Arch</div>
+<div>(medium &quot;Core Updates&quot;)</div><div>  chromium-browser-stable        13.0.782.220 1.1.mga1      x86_64</div><div>  ifmetric                       0.3          9.1.mga1      x86_64</div><div>  lib64python2.7                 2.7.1        6.1.mga1      x86_64</div>
+<div>  lib64xfont1                    1.4.3        1.1.mga1      x86_64</div><div>  python                         2.7.1        6.1.mga1      x86_64</div><div>  tkinter                        2.7.1        6.1.mga1      x86_64</div>
+<div>(medium &quot;Nonfree Updates&quot;)</div><div>  dkms-fglrx                     8.881        1.mga1.nonfr&gt; x86_64</div><div>  fglrx-control-center           8.881        1.mga1.nonfr&gt; x86_64</div><div>  x11-driver-video-fglrx         8.881        1.mga1.nonfr&gt; x86_64</div>
+<div>4.4MB of additional disk space will be used.</div><div>53MB of packages will be retrieved.</div><div>Proceed with the installation of the 9 packages? (Y/n) y</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>installing ifmetric-0.3-9.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm python-2.7.1-6.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm fglrx-control-center-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64.rpm lib64xfont1-1.4.3-1.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm x11-driver-video-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64.rpm tkinter-2.7.1-6.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm lib64python2.7-2.7.1-6.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm dkms-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64.rpm chromium-browser-stable-13.0.782.220-1.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms</div>
+<div>Preparing...                     #####################################################################</div><div>Installation failed:    package dkms-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64 is already installed</div><div>[root@tux_edge magnus]#</div>
+</div><div><br></div>
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+I have a Prob to update my system:<div><br></div><div><div>[root@tux_edge magnus]# LC_ALL=C urpmi --auto-update</div><div>medium &quot;Core Release&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Core Updates&quot; is up-to-date</div>
+<div>medium &quot;Nonfree Release&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Nonfree Updates&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Tainted Release&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Tainted Updates&quot; is up-to-date</div>
+<div>medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>medium &quot;Core 32bit Updates&quot; is up-to-date</div><div>The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:</div><div>dkms-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64</div>
+<div> (in order to install dkms-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64) (y/N) y</div><div>To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:</div><div>   Package                        Version      Release       Arch</div>
+<div>(medium &quot;Core Updates&quot;)</div><div>  chromium-browser-stable        13.0.782.220 1.1.mga1      x86_64</div><div>  ifmetric                       0.3          9.1.mga1      x86_64</div><div>  lib64python2.7                 2.7.1        6.1.mga1      x86_64</div>
+<div>  lib64xfont1                    1.4.3        1.1.mga1      x86_64</div><div>  python                         2.7.1        6.1.mga1      x86_64</div><div>  tkinter                        2.7.1        6.1.mga1      x86_64</div>
+<div>(medium &quot;Nonfree Updates&quot;)</div><div>  dkms-fglrx                     8.881        1.mga1.nonfr&gt; x86_64</div><div>  fglrx-control-center           8.881        1.mga1.nonfr&gt; x86_64</div><div>  x11-driver-video-fglrx         8.881        1.mga1.nonfr&gt; x86_64</div>
+<div>4.4MB of additional disk space will be used.</div><div>53MB of packages will be retrieved.</div><div>Proceed with the installation of the 9 packages? (Y/n) y</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>installing ifmetric-0.3-9.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm python-2.7.1-6.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm fglrx-control-center-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64.rpm lib64xfont1-1.4.3-1.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm x11-driver-video-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64.rpm tkinter-2.7.1-6.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm lib64python2.7-2.7.1-6.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm dkms-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64.rpm chromium-browser-stable-13.0.782.220-1.1.mga1.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms</div>
+<div>Preparing...                     #####################################################################</div><div>Installation failed:    package dkms-fglrx-8.881-1.mga1.nonfree.x86_64 is already installed</div><div>[root@tux_edge magnus]#</div>
+</div><div><br></div>
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+Hi Folks,<br><br>I&#39;ve decided to have a go at building Ubuntu&#39;s Unity desktop on Mageia.  To be honest I&#39;m not sure if I&#39;ll be able to complete the task, but I thought it would be a good way to get into it.<br>
+<br>At the moment I&#39;m trying to build &quot;NUX&quot;, and along the way I&#39;ve found some packages which require some modifications to their .spec&#39;s (glew and pciutils).  <br><br>What should I do with these?  Should I create a patch and send them along?  I&#39;m not really sure what the process is.  Also, as I&#39;m quite new to all this, they probably need someone to have a good look over them.  I think I also need to package some things that don&#39;t exist yet also, such as gmock.  <br>
+<br>Also, is anyone else looking at Unity?  I figured that because it was unpopular I may be the only one that cares about it, but if anyone else is looking at it, it may be worth sharing what we&#39;ve done.<br><br>Andrew.<br>
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+Hi Folks,<br><br>I&#39;ve decided to have a go at building Ubuntu&#39;s Unity desktop on Mageia.  To be honest I&#39;m not sure if I&#39;ll be able to complete the task, but I thought it would be a good way to get into it.<br>
+<br>At the moment I&#39;m trying to build &quot;NUX&quot;, and along the way I&#39;ve found some packages which require some modifications to their .spec&#39;s (glew and pciutils).  <br><br>What should I do with these?  Should I create a patch and send them along?  I&#39;m not really sure what the process is.  Also, as I&#39;m quite new to all this, they probably need someone to have a good look over them.  I think I also need to package some things that don&#39;t exist yet also, such as gmock.  <br>
+<br>Also, is anyone else looking at Unity?  I figured that because it was unpopular I may be the only one that cares about it, but if anyone else is looking at it, it may be worth sharing what we&#39;ve done.<br><br>Andrew.<br>
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+ <a style="color: #bd0710" href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0"><font color="#bd0710">http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0</font></a></font>
+  <br /><br /><br />
+ <br /><br />
+ <img src="http://s6.netlogstatic.com/v6.00/257745/s/i/mail/netlog-logo.gif" width="112" height="23" /><br /><br />
+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-2" color="#666666">
+ Möchtest du keine Einladungen von deinen Freunden mehr erhalten?
+  <a style="color:#bd0710;" href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9NiZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGbm9tYWlscyUyRmludml0ZSUyRmVtYWlsJTNELWJXRm5aV2xoTFdSbGRrQnRZV2RsYVdFdWIzSm4lMjZjb2RlJTNEMDI2OTgwNjM_">
+  <font color="#bd0710">Klick hier
+ </font></a>.
+  <br />
+ Don't want to receive invitations from your friends anymore?
+  <a style="color:#bd0710;" href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9NyZnbT0xMiZ1PWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZlbi5uZXRsb2cuY29tJTJGZ28lMkZub21haWxzJTJGaW52aXRlJTJGZW1haWwlM0QtYldGblpXbGhMV1JsZGtCdFlXZGxhV0V1YjNKbiUyNmNvZGUlM0QwMjY5ODA2Mw__">
+  <font color="#bd0710">Click here
+ </font></a>.<br />
+  
+ <strong>Massive Media NV</strong> - E. Braunplein 18. B-9000 Gent. Belgium. <br />
+ BE0859635972 - 
+  <a href="mailto:abuse-de@netlog.com" style="color:#666666;">
+  <font color="#666666">abuse-de@netlog.com</font></a><br />
+ </font>
+ </td>
+ <td colspan="2" rowspan="2" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+</table>
+<img src="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailimage/type=INVITATION&mailid=1382232619&header.gif" />
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+ <title>Erhalte Zugang zu meinen Bildern und mehr</title>
+</head>
+<body>
+<table width="620" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="line-height:18px;">
+ <tr>
+ <td height="10" colspan="4" bgcolor="#303030">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td height="10" colspan="4">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td height="10" colspan="3" bgcolor="#303030">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td height="10" colspan="4" bgcolor="#efefef">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td height="10" colspan="1">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td width="30" height="90" bgcolor="#303030">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td width="115" height="90" valign="top" bgcolor="#303030">
+ <table width="86" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+ <tr>
+ <td text-align:"center" style="text-align: center; padding: 3px 0;"><img src="http://de.netlog.com/go/mainphoto/userid=173459874" width="80" height="60" /></td>
+ </tr>
+ </table>
+ <br />
+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1" color="#FFFFFF" style="font-size: 12px;">
+ Wolfgang Bornath<br />
+ <font size="-2" style="font-size: 11px;" >
+ männlich - 64 Jahre alt<br />
+ Hessen</font></font><br /><br />
+ <br />
+ </td>
+ <td width="20" height="90" valign="top" bgcolor="#303030"><img src="http://s6.netlogstatic.com/v6.00/4098/s/i/mail/balloon-point.gif" width="20" height="55" align="top"></td>
+ <td width="15" height="90" bgcolor="#efefef">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td width="15" height="90" bgcolor="#efefef">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td style="font-size: 13px;" height="90" bgcolor="#efefef"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><font color="#bd0710" size="+2">Hi!</font><br />
+ <br />
+  Ich habe ein Netlog-Profil erstellt und möchte dir (mageia-dev@mageia.org) Zugang zu meinen neuesten Bilder und mehr geben.
+  <br /> 
+ <br />
+ <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" bgcolor="#BD0710" background="http://s6.netlogstatic.com/v6.00/257745/s/i/mail/btn-gradient.gif">
+ <tr>
+ <td height="3" colspan="4"></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td>&nbsp;</td>
+ <td><img src="http://s6.netlogstatic.com/v6.00/257745/s/i/mail/btn-logo.gif" width="35" height="35" /></td>
+ <td>
+  <a href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0" style="font-family: Arial, helvetica, 'sans-serif'; color: #ffffff">
+  <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="+1" color="#FFFFFF">Verbinde dich mit Wolfgang</font>
+ </a> 
+ </td>
+ <td width="10">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td height="3" colspan="4"></td>
+ </tr>
+ </table>
+ <br />
+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1" style="font-size: 13px;" color="#666666">
+ Hallo, <br />Wolfgang </font>
+ </td>
+ <td width="15" bgcolor="#efefef">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td colspan="3" rowspan="4" bgcolor="#303030">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td width="15" bgcolor="#efefef">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#efefef">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td width="15" bgcolor="#efefef">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td width="15" rowspan="3" bgcolor="#303030">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td colspan="4" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-2" color="#666666">
+ Wird der Button oben nicht korrekt gezeigt? <br />
+  Klick <a href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0"><font color="#bd0710">here</font></a> oder kopiere den Link unten in die Adressleiste deines Browsers.<br />
+ <a style="color: #bd0710" href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0"><font color="#bd0710">http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0</font></a></font>
+  <br /><br /><br />
+ <br /><br />
+ <img src="http://s6.netlogstatic.com/v6.00/257745/s/i/mail/netlog-logo.gif" width="112" height="23" /><br /><br />
+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-2" color="#666666">
+ Möchtest du keine Einladungen von deinen Freunden mehr erhalten?
+  <a style="color:#bd0710;" href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9NiZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGbm9tYWlscyUyRmludml0ZSUyRmVtYWlsJTNELWJXRm5aV2xoTFdSbGRrQnRZV2RsYVdFdWIzSm4lMjZjb2RlJTNEMDI2OTgwNjM_">
+  <font color="#bd0710">Klick hier
+ </font></a>.
+  <br />
+ Don't want to receive invitations from your friends anymore?
+  <a style="color:#bd0710;" href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9NyZnbT0xMiZ1PWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZlbi5uZXRsb2cuY29tJTJGZ28lMkZub21haWxzJTJGaW52aXRlJTJGZW1haWwlM0QtYldGblpXbGhMV1JsZGtCdFlXZGxhV0V1YjNKbiUyNmNvZGUlM0QwMjY5ODA2Mw__">
+  <font color="#bd0710">Click here
+ </font></a>.<br />
+  
+ <strong>Massive Media NV</strong> - E. Braunplein 18. B-9000 Gent. Belgium. <br />
+ BE0859635972 - 
+  <a href="mailto:abuse-de@netlog.com" style="color:#666666;">
+  <font color="#666666">abuse-de@netlog.com</font></a><br />
+ </font>
+ </td>
+ <td colspan="2" rowspan="2" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+</table>
+<img src="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailimage/type=INVITATION&mailid=1382232619&header.gif" />
+</body>
+</html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110912/58454bb5/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110912/58454bb5/attachment-0001.html
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+Sorry folks, this was an *unwanted* automatic mail from the netlog system.<br><br>-- <br>wobo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 12. September 2011 07:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:noreply%2BM192120801@netlogmail.com">noreply+M192120801@netlogmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><u></u>
+
+
+ 
+
+<div>
+<table style="line-height:18px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="620">
+ <tbody><tr>
+ <td colspan="4" height="10" bgcolor="#303030"> </td>
+ <td colspan="4" height="10"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td colspan="3" height="10" bgcolor="#303030"> </td>
+ <td colspan="4" height="10" bgcolor="#efefef"> </td>
+ <td colspan="1" height="10"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#303030" width="30"> </td>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#303030" valign="top" width="115">
+ <table bgcolor="#FFFFFF" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="86">
+ <tbody><tr>
+ <td style="text-align:center;padding:3px 0"><img src="" height="60" width="80"></td>
+ </tr>
+ </tbody></table>
+ <br>
+ <font style="font-size:12px" color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">
+ Wolfgang Bornath<br>
+ <font style="font-size:11px" size="-2">
+ männlich - 64 Jahre alt<br>
+ Hessen</font></font><br><br>
+ <br>
+ </td>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#303030" valign="top" width="20"><img src="" height="55" align="top" width="20"></td>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ <td style="font-size:13px" height="90" bgcolor="#efefef"><font color="#666666" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="#bd0710" size="+2">Hi!</font><br>
+ <br>
+  Ich habe ein Netlog-Profil erstellt und möchte dir (<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>) Zugang zu meinen neuesten Bilder und mehr geben.
+  <br> 
+ <br>
+ <table bgcolor="#BD0710" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+ <tbody><tr>
+ <td colspan="4" height="3"></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td> </td>
+ <td><img src="" height="35" width="35"></td>
+ <td>
+  <a href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0" style="color:#ffffff" target="_blank">
+  <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="+1">Verbinde dich mit Wolfgang</font>
+ </a> 
+ </td>
+ <td width="10"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td colspan="4" height="3"></td>
+ </tr>
+ </tbody></table>
+ <br>
+ <font style="font-size:13px" color="#666666" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">
+ Hallo, <br>Wolfgang </font>
+ </font></td>
+ <td bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td colspan="3" rowspan="4" bgcolor="#303030"> </td>
+ <td bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#efefef"> </td>
+ <td bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td rowspan="3" bgcolor="#303030" width="15"> </td>
+ <td colspan="4" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> </td>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF" valign="top">
+ <font color="#666666" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-2">
+ Wird der Button oben nicht korrekt gezeigt? <br>
+  Klick <a href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0" target="_blank"><font color="#bd0710">here</font></a> oder kopiere den Link unten in die Adressleiste deines Browsers.<br>
+
+ <a style="color:#bd0710" href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0" target="_blank"><font color="#bd0710">http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0</font></a></font>
+  <br><br><br>
+ <br><br>
+ <img src="" height="23" width="112"><br><br>
+ <font color="#666666" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-2">
+ Möchtest du keine Einladungen von deinen Freunden mehr erhalten?
+  <a style="color:#bd0710" href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9NiZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGbm9tYWlscyUyRmludml0ZSUyRmVtYWlsJTNELWJXRm5aV2xoTFdSbGRrQnRZV2RsYVdFdWIzSm4lMjZjb2RlJTNEMDI2OTgwNjM_" target="_blank">
+  <font color="#bd0710">Klick hier
+ </font></a>.
+  <br>
+ Don&#39;t want to receive invitations from your friends anymore?
+  <a style="color:#bd0710" href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9NyZnbT0xMiZ1PWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZlbi5uZXRsb2cuY29tJTJGZ28lMkZub21haWxzJTJGaW52aXRlJTJGZW1haWwlM0QtYldGblpXbGhMV1JsZGtCdFlXZGxhV0V1YjNKbiUyNmNvZGUlM0QwMjY5ODA2Mw__" target="_blank">
+  <font color="#bd0710">Click here
+ </font></a>.<br>
+  
+ <b>Massive Media NV</b> - E. Braunplein 18. B-9000 Gent. Belgium. <br>
+ BE0859635972 - 
+  <a href="mailto:abuse-de@netlog.com" style="color:#666666" target="_blank">
+  <font color="#666666">abuse-de@netlog.com</font></a><br>
+ </font>
+ </td>
+ <td colspan="2" rowspan="2" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> </td>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> </td>
+ </tr>
+</tbody></table>
+<img src="">
+</div>
+
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Sorry folks, this was an *unwanted* automatic mail from the netlog system.<br><br>-- <br>wobo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 12. September 2011 07:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:noreply%2BM192120801@netlogmail.com">noreply+M192120801@netlogmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><u></u>
+
+
+ 
+
+<div>
+<table style="line-height:18px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="620">
+ <tbody><tr>
+ <td colspan="4" height="10" bgcolor="#303030"> </td>
+ <td colspan="4" height="10"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td colspan="3" height="10" bgcolor="#303030"> </td>
+ <td colspan="4" height="10" bgcolor="#efefef"> </td>
+ <td colspan="1" height="10"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#303030" width="30"> </td>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#303030" valign="top" width="115">
+ <table bgcolor="#FFFFFF" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="86">
+ <tbody><tr>
+ <td style="text-align:center;padding:3px 0"><img src="" height="60" width="80"></td>
+ </tr>
+ </tbody></table>
+ <br>
+ <font style="font-size:12px" color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">
+ Wolfgang Bornath<br>
+ <font style="font-size:11px" size="-2">
+ männlich - 64 Jahre alt<br>
+ Hessen</font></font><br><br>
+ <br>
+ </td>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#303030" valign="top" width="20"><img src="" height="55" align="top" width="20"></td>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ <td style="font-size:13px" height="90" bgcolor="#efefef"><font color="#666666" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="#bd0710" size="+2">Hi!</font><br>
+ <br>
+  Ich habe ein Netlog-Profil erstellt und möchte dir (<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>) Zugang zu meinen neuesten Bilder und mehr geben.
+  <br> 
+ <br>
+ <table bgcolor="#BD0710" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+ <tbody><tr>
+ <td colspan="4" height="3"></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td> </td>
+ <td><img src="" height="35" width="35"></td>
+ <td>
+  <a href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyNjE5Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUmxka0J0WVdkbGFXRXViM0puJTI2dWlkJTNEMTczNDU5ODc0" style="color:#ffffff" target="_blank">
+  <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="+1">Verbinde dich mit Wolfgang</font>
+ </a> 
+ </td>
+ <td width="10"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td colspan="4" height="3"></td>
+ </tr>
+ </tbody></table>
+ <br>
+ <font style="font-size:13px" color="#666666" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">
+ Hallo, <br>Wolfgang </font>
+ </font></td>
+ <td bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td colspan="3" rowspan="4" bgcolor="#303030"> </td>
+ <td bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#efefef"> </td>
+ <td bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td rowspan="3" bgcolor="#303030" width="15"> </td>
+ <td colspan="4" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> </td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> </td>
+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF" valign="top">
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110914/e1ed1cb4/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110914/e1ed1cb4/attachment-0001.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..268f6a1c7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110914/e1ed1cb4/attachment-0001.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+prevent quite a lot of perl modules to be part of minimal basesystem by default
+
+diff -up ./usr/lib/libDrakX/install/any.pm.tv7 ./usr/lib/libDrakX/install/any.pm
+--- ./usr/lib/libDrakX/install/any.pm.tv7	2011-09-14 14:26:15.575519716 +0200
++++ ./usr/lib/libDrakX/install/any.pm	2011-09-14 14:28:09.803545863 +0200
+@@ -553,6 +553,8 @@ sub default_packages {
+     push @l, qw(acpi acpid mageia-gfxboot-theme);
+     # will get auto selected at summary stage for firewall:
+     push @l, qw(shorewall mandi-ifw);
++    # only needed for CDs/DVDs installations:
++    push @l, 'perl-Hal-Cdroms' if $o->{method} eq 'cdrom';
+ 
+     my $dmi_BIOS = detect_devices::dmidecode_category('BIOS');
+     my $dmi_Base_Board = detect_devices::dmidecode_category('Base Board');
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110914/e1ed1cb4/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110914/e1ed1cb4/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..268f6a1c7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110914/e1ed1cb4/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+prevent quite a lot of perl modules to be part of minimal basesystem by default
+
+diff -up ./usr/lib/libDrakX/install/any.pm.tv7 ./usr/lib/libDrakX/install/any.pm
+--- ./usr/lib/libDrakX/install/any.pm.tv7	2011-09-14 14:26:15.575519716 +0200
++++ ./usr/lib/libDrakX/install/any.pm	2011-09-14 14:28:09.803545863 +0200
+@@ -553,6 +553,8 @@ sub default_packages {
+     push @l, qw(acpi acpid mageia-gfxboot-theme);
+     # will get auto selected at summary stage for firewall:
+     push @l, qw(shorewall mandi-ifw);
++    # only needed for CDs/DVDs installations:
++    push @l, 'perl-Hal-Cdroms' if $o->{method} eq 'cdrom';
+ 
+     my $dmi_BIOS = detect_devices::dmidecode_category('BIOS');
+     my $dmi_Base_Board = detect_devices::dmidecode_category('Base Board');
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/9f48b38f/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/9f48b38f/attachment-0001.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..4d04d94be
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/9f48b38f/attachment-0001.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+(selectInstallClass) just remove every package before reinstalling them when upgrading mandriva
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps_interactive.pm b/perl-install/install/steps_interactive.pm
+index a1376cf..5e5b523 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps_interactive.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps_interactive.pm
+@@ -178,6 +178,7 @@ sub selectInstallClass {
+ 	    $o->{upgrade_by_removing_pkgs_matching} ||= {
+ 		conectiva => 'cl',
+ 		redhat => '.', #- everything!
++		mandriva => '.', #- everything!
+ 	    }->{$o->{isUpgrade}};
+ 	    log::l("upgrading $o->{isUpgrade} distribution" . ($o->{upgrade_by_removing_pkgs_matching} ? " (upgrade_by_removing_pkgs_matching $o->{upgrade_by_removing_pkgs_matching})" : ''));
+ 	}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/9f48b38f/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/9f48b38f/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..4d04d94be
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/9f48b38f/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+(selectInstallClass) just remove every package before reinstalling them when upgrading mandriva
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps_interactive.pm b/perl-install/install/steps_interactive.pm
+index a1376cf..5e5b523 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps_interactive.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps_interactive.pm
+@@ -178,6 +178,7 @@ sub selectInstallClass {
+ 	    $o->{upgrade_by_removing_pkgs_matching} ||= {
+ 		conectiva => 'cl',
+ 		redhat => '.', #- everything!
++		mandriva => '.', #- everything!
+ 	    }->{$o->{isUpgrade}};
+ 	    log::l("upgrading $o->{isUpgrade} distribution" . ($o->{upgrade_by_removing_pkgs_matching} ? " (upgrade_by_removing_pkgs_matching $o->{upgrade_by_removing_pkgs_matching})" : ''));
+ 	}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0001.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..7845b5ea2
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0001.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+(grep_regular_media) factorize a grep for next commit
+
+--- /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm.tv8	2011-09-15 13:21:31.996304467 +0000
++++ /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm	2011-09-15 13:24:12.932431234 +0000
+@@ -125,10 +125,14 @@
+     return $res;
+ }
+ 
++sub grep_regular_media {
++    my ($urpm) = @_;
++    grep { $_->{name} !~ /debug|sources/i } @{$urpm->{media}};
++}
++
+ sub get_backport_media {
+     my ($urpm) = @_;
+-    grep { $_->{name} =~ /backport/i && 
+-	       $_->{name} !~ /debug|sources/i } @{$urpm->{media}};
++    grep { $_->{name} =~ /backport/i } grep_regular_media($urpm);
+ }
+ 
+ sub get_inactive_backport_media {
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0002.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0002.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..fedcc13d7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0002.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+(get_release_media,get_active_release_media) enable to list enabled */release media
+
+--- /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm.tv8	2011-09-15 13:21:31.996304467 +0000
++++ /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm	2011-09-15 13:24:12.932431234 +0000
+@@ -136,6 +140,16 @@
+     map { $_->{name} } grep { $_->{ignore} } get_backport_media($urpm);
+ }
+ 
++sub get_release_media {
++    my ($urpm) = @_;
++    grep { $_->{name} =~ /release/i } grep_regular_media($urpm);
++}
++
++sub get_active_release_media {
++    my ($urpm) = @_;
++    map { $_->{name} } grep { !$_->{ignore} } get_backport_media($urpm);
++}
++
+ sub get_update_medias {
+     my ($urpm) = @_;
+     if (is_it_a_devel_distro()) {
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0003.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0003.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..3c2667004
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0003.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+(open_urpmi_db) when computing updates, look at enabled */release media for requires
+
+--- /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm.tv8	2011-09-15 13:21:31.996304467 +0000
++++ /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm	2011-09-15 13:24:12.932431234 +0000
+@@ -150,7 +164,7 @@
+     my $urpm = fast_open_urpmi_db();
+     my $media = ref $::rpmdrake_options{media} ? join(',', @{$::rpmdrake_options{media}}) : '';
+ 
+-    my $searchmedia = $urpmi_options{update} ? undef : join(',', get_inactive_backport_media($urpm));
++    my $searchmedia = $urpmi_options{update} ? undef : join(',', get_inactive_backport_media($urpm), get_active_release_media($urpm));
+     $urpm->{lock} = urpm::lock::urpmi_db($urpm, undef, wait => $urpm->{options}{wait_lock}) if !$::env;
+     my $previous = $::rpmdrake_options{'previous-priority-upgrade'};
+     urpm::select::set_priority_upgrade_option($urpm, (ref $previous ? join(',', @$previous) : ()));
+
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..fb00e5493
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0004.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,24 @@
+(upgrading_redhat) only favor mga, we don't have packages with mdv or mnb in release tag
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps.pm b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+index 5bb9499..b46ec1d 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+@@ -292,7 +292,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     undef *URPM::Package::compare_pkg;
+     *URPM::Package::compare_pkg = sub {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg) = @_;
+-	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mdv|mnb|mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg->release =~ /mdv|mnb|mga/ ? 1 : 0);
++	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0);
+ 	if ($c) {
+ 	    prefering_mdv($lpkg, $rpkg->version . '-' . $rpkg->release, $c);
+ 	    $c;
+@@ -305,7 +305,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     undef *URPM::Package::compare;
+     *URPM::Package::compare = sub {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg_ver) = @_;
+-	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mdv|mnb|mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg_ver =~ /mdv|mnb|mga/ ? 1 : 0);
++	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg_ver =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0);
+ 	if ($c) {
+ 	    prefering_mdv($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c);
+ 	    return $c;
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0005.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0005.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..98d4ec939
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0005.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,33 @@
+(prefering_mdv) renamed as prefering_mga()
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps.pm b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+index b46ec1d..15d8d43 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+@@ -282,7 +282,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config";
+     unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config-4";
+ 
+-    sub prefering_mdv {
++    sub prefering_mga {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c) = @_;
+ 	my $lpkg_ver = $lpkg->version . '-' . $lpkg->release;
+ 	log::l($lpkg->name . ' ' . ': prefering ' . ($c == 1 ? "$lpkg_ver over $rpkg_ver" : "$rpkg_ver over $lpkg_ver"));
+@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg) = @_;
+ 	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0);
+ 	if ($c) {
+-	    prefering_mdv($lpkg, $rpkg->version . '-' . $rpkg->release, $c);
++	    prefering_mga($lpkg, $rpkg->version . '-' . $rpkg->release, $c);
+ 	    $c;
+ 	} else {
+ 	    &$old_compare_pkg;
+@@ -307,7 +307,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg_ver) = @_;
+ 	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg_ver =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0);
+ 	if ($c) {
+-	    prefering_mdv($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c);
++	    prefering_mga($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c);
+ 	    return $c;
+ 	}
+ 	&$old_compare;
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0006.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0006.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..65f0064fc
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0006.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,32 @@
+(live_patch_URPM) split it out of upgrading_redhat()
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps.pm b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+index 15d8d43..81daf68 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+@@ -277,10 +277,7 @@ sub choosePackages {
+     $availableCorrected;
+ }
+ 
+-sub upgrading_redhat() {
+-    #- remove weird config files that bother Xconfig::* too much
+-    unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config";
+-    unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config-4";
++sub live_patch_URPM() {
+ 
+     sub prefering_mga {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c) = @_;
+@@ -314,6 +311,13 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     };
+ }
+ 
++sub upgrading_redhat() {
++    #- remove weird config files that bother Xconfig::* too much
++    unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config";
++    unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config-4";
++    live_patch_URPM();
++}
++
+ sub beforeInstallPackages {
+     my ($o) = @_;
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0007.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0007.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..7dd3ea1b7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0007.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,26 @@
+(beforeInstallPackages) always live patch URPM to favor packages
+with mga extension when upgrading
+
+(move the call to live_patch_URPM() from upgrading_redhat() here)
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps.pm b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+index 81daf68..f324012 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+@@ -315,7 +315,6 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     #- remove weird config files that bother Xconfig::* too much
+     unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config";
+     unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config-4";
+-    live_patch_URPM();
+ }
+ 
+ sub beforeInstallPackages {
+@@ -349,6 +348,8 @@ sub beforeInstallPackages {
+ 		    );
+     rm_rf(@to_remove);
+ 
++    live_patch_URPM() if $o->{isUpgrade} !~ /mageia/;
++
+     if ($o->{isUpgrade} eq 'redhat') {
+ 	upgrading_redhat();
+     }
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0008.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0008.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0659c7ccb
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0008.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,22 @@
+(fast_open_urpmi_db,is_it_a_devel_distro) perl_checker cleanups
+
+--- /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm.tv8	2011-09-15 13:21:31.996304467 +0000
++++ /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm	2011-09-15 13:24:12.932431234 +0000
+@@ -81,7 +81,7 @@
+     urpm::set_files($urpm, $::rpmdrake_options{'urpmi-root'}[0]) if $::rpmdrake_options{'urpmi-root'}[0];
+     $::rpmdrake_options{'rpm-root'}[0] ||= $::rpmdrake_options{'urpmi-root'}[0];
+     urpm::args::set_root($urpm, $::rpmdrake_options{'rpm-root'}[0]) if $::rpmdrake_options{'rpm-root'}[0];
+-    urpm::args::set_debug($urpm) if $::rpmdrake_options{'debug'};
++    urpm::args::set_debug($urpm) if $::rpmdrake_options{debug};
+     $urpm->get_global_options;
+     my $error_happened;
+     $urpm->{options}{wait_lock} = $::rpmdrake_options{'wait-lock'};
+@@ -116,7 +116,7 @@
+     $urpm;
+ }
+ 
+-sub is_it_a_devel_distro {
++sub is_it_a_devel_distro() {
+     state $res;
+     return $res if defined $res;
+     
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0009.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0009.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..7845b5ea2
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0009.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+(grep_regular_media) factorize a grep for next commit
+
+--- /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm.tv8	2011-09-15 13:21:31.996304467 +0000
++++ /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm	2011-09-15 13:24:12.932431234 +0000
+@@ -125,10 +125,14 @@
+     return $res;
+ }
+ 
++sub grep_regular_media {
++    my ($urpm) = @_;
++    grep { $_->{name} !~ /debug|sources/i } @{$urpm->{media}};
++}
++
+ sub get_backport_media {
+     my ($urpm) = @_;
+-    grep { $_->{name} =~ /backport/i && 
+-	       $_->{name} !~ /debug|sources/i } @{$urpm->{media}};
++    grep { $_->{name} =~ /backport/i } grep_regular_media($urpm);
+ }
+ 
+ sub get_inactive_backport_media {
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0010.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0010.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..fedcc13d7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0010.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+(get_release_media,get_active_release_media) enable to list enabled */release media
+
+--- /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm.tv8	2011-09-15 13:21:31.996304467 +0000
++++ /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm	2011-09-15 13:24:12.932431234 +0000
+@@ -136,6 +140,16 @@
+     map { $_->{name} } grep { $_->{ignore} } get_backport_media($urpm);
+ }
+ 
++sub get_release_media {
++    my ($urpm) = @_;
++    grep { $_->{name} =~ /release/i } grep_regular_media($urpm);
++}
++
++sub get_active_release_media {
++    my ($urpm) = @_;
++    map { $_->{name} } grep { !$_->{ignore} } get_backport_media($urpm);
++}
++
+ sub get_update_medias {
+     my ($urpm) = @_;
+     if (is_it_a_devel_distro()) {
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0011.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0011.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..3c2667004
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0011.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+(open_urpmi_db) when computing updates, look at enabled */release media for requires
+
+--- /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm.tv8	2011-09-15 13:21:31.996304467 +0000
++++ /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm	2011-09-15 13:24:12.932431234 +0000
+@@ -150,7 +164,7 @@
+     my $urpm = fast_open_urpmi_db();
+     my $media = ref $::rpmdrake_options{media} ? join(',', @{$::rpmdrake_options{media}}) : '';
+ 
+-    my $searchmedia = $urpmi_options{update} ? undef : join(',', get_inactive_backport_media($urpm));
++    my $searchmedia = $urpmi_options{update} ? undef : join(',', get_inactive_backport_media($urpm), get_active_release_media($urpm));
+     $urpm->{lock} = urpm::lock::urpmi_db($urpm, undef, wait => $urpm->{options}{wait_lock}) if !$::env;
+     my $previous = $::rpmdrake_options{'previous-priority-upgrade'};
+     urpm::select::set_priority_upgrade_option($urpm, (ref $previous ? join(',', @$previous) : ()));
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0012.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0012.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..fb00e5493
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0012.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,24 @@
+(upgrading_redhat) only favor mga, we don't have packages with mdv or mnb in release tag
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps.pm b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+index 5bb9499..b46ec1d 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+@@ -292,7 +292,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     undef *URPM::Package::compare_pkg;
+     *URPM::Package::compare_pkg = sub {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg) = @_;
+-	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mdv|mnb|mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg->release =~ /mdv|mnb|mga/ ? 1 : 0);
++	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0);
+ 	if ($c) {
+ 	    prefering_mdv($lpkg, $rpkg->version . '-' . $rpkg->release, $c);
+ 	    $c;
+@@ -305,7 +305,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     undef *URPM::Package::compare;
+     *URPM::Package::compare = sub {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg_ver) = @_;
+-	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mdv|mnb|mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg_ver =~ /mdv|mnb|mga/ ? 1 : 0);
++	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg_ver =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0);
+ 	if ($c) {
+ 	    prefering_mdv($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c);
+ 	    return $c;
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0013.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0013.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..98d4ec939
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0013.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,33 @@
+(prefering_mdv) renamed as prefering_mga()
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps.pm b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+index b46ec1d..15d8d43 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+@@ -282,7 +282,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config";
+     unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config-4";
+ 
+-    sub prefering_mdv {
++    sub prefering_mga {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c) = @_;
+ 	my $lpkg_ver = $lpkg->version . '-' . $lpkg->release;
+ 	log::l($lpkg->name . ' ' . ': prefering ' . ($c == 1 ? "$lpkg_ver over $rpkg_ver" : "$rpkg_ver over $lpkg_ver"));
+@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg) = @_;
+ 	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0);
+ 	if ($c) {
+-	    prefering_mdv($lpkg, $rpkg->version . '-' . $rpkg->release, $c);
++	    prefering_mga($lpkg, $rpkg->version . '-' . $rpkg->release, $c);
+ 	    $c;
+ 	} else {
+ 	    &$old_compare_pkg;
+@@ -307,7 +307,7 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg_ver) = @_;
+ 	my $c = ($lpkg->release =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0) - ($rpkg_ver =~ /mga/ ? 1 : 0);
+ 	if ($c) {
+-	    prefering_mdv($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c);
++	    prefering_mga($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c);
+ 	    return $c;
+ 	}
+ 	&$old_compare;
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0014.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0014.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..65f0064fc
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0014.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,32 @@
+(live_patch_URPM) split it out of upgrading_redhat()
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps.pm b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+index 15d8d43..81daf68 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+@@ -277,10 +277,7 @@ sub choosePackages {
+     $availableCorrected;
+ }
+ 
+-sub upgrading_redhat() {
+-    #- remove weird config files that bother Xconfig::* too much
+-    unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config";
+-    unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config-4";
++sub live_patch_URPM() {
+ 
+     sub prefering_mga {
+ 	my ($lpkg, $rpkg_ver, $c) = @_;
+@@ -314,6 +311,13 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     };
+ }
+ 
++sub upgrading_redhat() {
++    #- remove weird config files that bother Xconfig::* too much
++    unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config";
++    unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config-4";
++    live_patch_URPM();
++}
++
+ sub beforeInstallPackages {
+     my ($o) = @_;
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0015.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0015.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..7dd3ea1b7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment-0015.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,26 @@
+(beforeInstallPackages) always live patch URPM to favor packages
+with mga extension when upgrading
+
+(move the call to live_patch_URPM() from upgrading_redhat() here)
+
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/steps.pm b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+index 81daf68..f324012 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/steps.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/steps.pm
+@@ -315,7 +315,6 @@ sub upgrading_redhat() {
+     #- remove weird config files that bother Xconfig::* too much
+     unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config";
+     unlink "$::prefix/etc/X11/XF86Config-4";
+-    live_patch_URPM();
+ }
+ 
+ sub beforeInstallPackages {
+@@ -349,6 +348,8 @@ sub beforeInstallPackages {
+ 		    );
+     rm_rf(@to_remove);
+ 
++    live_patch_URPM() if $o->{isUpgrade} !~ /mageia/;
++
+     if ($o->{isUpgrade} eq 'redhat') {
+ 	upgrading_redhat();
+     }
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0659c7ccb
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110915/e36848de/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,22 @@
+(fast_open_urpmi_db,is_it_a_devel_distro) perl_checker cleanups
+
+--- /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm.tv8	2011-09-15 13:21:31.996304467 +0000
++++ /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.3/Rpmdrake/open_db.pm	2011-09-15 13:24:12.932431234 +0000
+@@ -81,7 +81,7 @@
+     urpm::set_files($urpm, $::rpmdrake_options{'urpmi-root'}[0]) if $::rpmdrake_options{'urpmi-root'}[0];
+     $::rpmdrake_options{'rpm-root'}[0] ||= $::rpmdrake_options{'urpmi-root'}[0];
+     urpm::args::set_root($urpm, $::rpmdrake_options{'rpm-root'}[0]) if $::rpmdrake_options{'rpm-root'}[0];
+-    urpm::args::set_debug($urpm) if $::rpmdrake_options{'debug'};
++    urpm::args::set_debug($urpm) if $::rpmdrake_options{debug};
+     $urpm->get_global_options;
+     my $error_happened;
+     $urpm->{options}{wait_lock} = $::rpmdrake_options{'wait-lock'};
+@@ -116,7 +116,7 @@
+     $urpm;
+ }
+ 
+-sub is_it_a_devel_distro {
++sub is_it_a_devel_distro() {
+     state $res;
+     return $res if defined $res;
+     
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110916/01f71e8c/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110916/01f71e8c/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..583ed4c30
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110916/01f71e8c/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
+Coherence is using the /etc/coherence.conf configuration file that defines a default test directory.<br>If you wish changing this directory or disabling this testing setup, just edit this configuration file &amp; restart the coherence service.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/16 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le Vendredi 16 Septembre 2011 12:48:20 Robert Fox a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; I am now getting strange notifications under the Device Notifier - two<br>
+&gt; entries which say:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Coherence Test Content - Open with File Manager<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; and they have an eject button but nothing happens when I click on<br>
+&gt; them.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Any clues?<br>
+</div></div>It&#39;s related to the hupnp support in kde &amp; the fact that you&#39;re probably<br>
+have coherence running on your computer.<br>
+Now i did not play enough with it to understand how to « eject » them.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110916/01f71e8c/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110916/01f71e8c/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..583ed4c30
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110916/01f71e8c/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
+Coherence is using the /etc/coherence.conf configuration file that defines a default test directory.<br>If you wish changing this directory or disabling this testing setup, just edit this configuration file &amp; restart the coherence service.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/16 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le Vendredi 16 Septembre 2011 12:48:20 Robert Fox a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; I am now getting strange notifications under the Device Notifier - two<br>
+&gt; entries which say:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Coherence Test Content - Open with File Manager<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; and they have an eject button but nothing happens when I click on<br>
+&gt; them.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Any clues?<br>
+</div></div>It&#39;s related to the hupnp support in kde &amp; the fact that you&#39;re probably<br>
+have coherence running on your computer.<br>
+Now i did not play enough with it to understand how to « eject » them.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    To illustrate what I meant :<br>
+    There's this thread :<br>
+    <a
+href="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-September/008141.html">[Mageia-dev]
+      Package request - Bump BZFlag to 2.4
+    </a><br>
+    <br>
+    Shlomif did the upgrade 12 minutes ago... (less than 3 hours after
+    the discuss began, and before a bug report is written)<br>
+    <br>
+    Must he be now the official maintainer <br>
+    (or might have we reached steletch or wally that were the last
+    commiters)<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Or may we thank him for the job and hope some others proceed the way
+    he did...<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    To illustrate what I meant :<br>
+    There's this thread :<br>
+    <a
+href="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-September/008141.html">[Mageia-dev]
+      Package request - Bump BZFlag to 2.4
+    </a><br>
+    <br>
+    Shlomif did the upgrade 12 minutes ago... (less than 3 hours after
+    the discuss began, and before a bug report is written)<br>
+    <br>
+    Must he be now the official maintainer <br>
+    (or might have we reached steletch or wally that were the last
+    commiters)<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Or may we thank him for the job and hope some others proceed the way
+    he did...<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/16 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+2011/9/15 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Op donderdag 15 september 2011 13:26:44 schreef Listes (José Jorge):<br>
+&gt;&gt; well, as I have finished my learning time, I was asked to introduce myself<br>
+&gt;&gt; ;-)<br>
+</div>&gt; welcome...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+Or &quot;welcome to hell...&quot; as I was greeted here, when I finished my mentoring...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Welcome!<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/16 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+2011/9/15 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Op donderdag 15 september 2011 13:26:44 schreef Listes (José Jorge):<br>
+&gt;&gt; well, as I have finished my learning time, I was asked to introduce myself<br>
+&gt;&gt; ;-)<br>
+</div>&gt; welcome...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+Or &quot;welcome to hell...&quot; as I was greeted here, when I finished my mentoring...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Welcome!<br>
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+couldn&#39;t we do sth like this:<br><br>Provides: xorg-driver(video)(LDETECTCODE)<br><br>在 2011年9月19日星期一，Florian Hubold &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; Am 19.09.2011 12:05, schrieb Thierry Vignaud:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On 19 September 2011 11:24, Florian Hubold&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Please update ldetect-lst accordingly...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Sorry, i&#39;m new to this, would you be so kind to briefly explain to me<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; how?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; That mean:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1) checking out ldetect-lst<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/</a>)<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2) reverting &quot;disable nvidia96xx (not compatible with <a href="http://x.org">x.org</a> server 1.10)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  (<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?r1=1518&amp;r2=1519">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?r1=1518&amp;r2=1519</a>)<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;    also add an entry to the NEWS file<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Eg, look at:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?revision=1684&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?revision=1684&amp;view=markup</a> &lt;<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?revision=1684&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?revision=1684&amp;view=markup</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/pcitable?revision=1949&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/pcitable?revision=1949&amp;view=markup</a> &lt;<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/pcitable?revision=1949&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/pcitable?revision=1949&amp;view=markup</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/NEWS?revision=1949&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/NEWS?revision=1949&amp;view=markup</a> &lt;<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/NEWS?revision=1949&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/NEWS?revision=1949&amp;view=markup</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; OK, will do so, thanks for the hints :)<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there anything to do for nvidia173, too? Guess not, because it wasn&#39;t<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; disabled before?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; we can only enable it if nvidia release a new version compatible wit<br>
+&gt;&gt; xorg-server-1.10<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; Look in the commit message ;)<br>&gt; Besides some fix for display issues it also adds support for xserver 1.10.<br>&gt; So i guess i can enable that in ldetect-lst, too?<br>&gt; Will try later today if noone beats me to it.<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; BTW: looks like you didn&#39;t reply to list, so i added back -dev in CC.<br>&gt;
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+couldn&#39;t we do sth like this:<br><br>Provides: xorg-driver(video)(LDETECTCODE)<br><br>在 2011年9月19日星期一，Florian Hubold &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; Am 19.09.2011 12:05, schrieb Thierry Vignaud:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On 19 September 2011 11:24, Florian Hubold&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Please update ldetect-lst accordingly...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Sorry, i&#39;m new to this, would you be so kind to briefly explain to me<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; how?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; That mean:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1) checking out ldetect-lst<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/</a>)<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2) reverting &quot;disable nvidia96xx (not compatible with <a href="http://x.org">x.org</a> server 1.10)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  (<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?r1=1518&amp;r2=1519">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?r1=1518&amp;r2=1519</a>)<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;    also add an entry to the NEWS file<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Eg, look at:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?revision=1684&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?revision=1684&amp;view=markup</a> &lt;<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?revision=1684&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/Cards%2B?revision=1684&amp;view=markup</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/pcitable?revision=1949&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/pcitable?revision=1949&amp;view=markup</a> &lt;<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/pcitable?revision=1949&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/lst/pcitable?revision=1949&amp;view=markup</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/NEWS?revision=1949&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/NEWS?revision=1949&amp;view=markup</a> &lt;<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/NEWS?revision=1949&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/ldetect-lst/trunk/NEWS?revision=1949&amp;view=markup</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; OK, will do so, thanks for the hints :)<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there anything to do for nvidia173, too? Guess not, because it wasn&#39;t<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; disabled before?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; we can only enable it if nvidia release a new version compatible wit<br>
+&gt;&gt; xorg-server-1.10<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; Look in the commit message ;)<br>&gt; Besides some fix for display issues it also adds support for xserver 1.10.<br>&gt; So i guess i can enable that in ldetect-lst, too?<br>&gt; Will try later today if noone beats me to it.<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; BTW: looks like you didn&#39;t reply to list, so i added back -dev in CC.<br>&gt;
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Monospace'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dnia poniedziałek 19 września 2011 19:41:37 Shlomi Fish pisze:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi all,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the sound stopped working on the ALSA profile in Cauldron. I was able to fix</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; it by adding the following file:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; shlomif@lap:~$ cat /etc/sound/profiles/alsa/alsa-default.conf</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; # Default to PulseAudio</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You probably mean the problem with broken symlink somewhere in /usr? </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">point it to /etc/sound/profiles/alsa/profile.conf</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Michał Walenciak</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gmail.com kicer86</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://kicer.sileman.net.pl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gg: 3729519</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Monospace'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dnia poniedziałek 19 września 2011 19:41:37 Shlomi Fish pisze:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi all,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the sound stopped working on the ALSA profile in Cauldron. I was able to fix</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; it by adding the following file:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; shlomif@lap:~$ cat /etc/sound/profiles/alsa/alsa-default.conf</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; # Default to PulseAudio</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You probably mean the problem with broken symlink somewhere in /usr? </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">point it to /etc/sound/profiles/alsa/profile.conf</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Michał Walenciak</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gmail.com kicer86</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://kicer.sileman.net.pl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">gg: 3729519</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 17:15, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On 21 September 2011 18:59, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; doktor5000 &lt;doktor5000&gt; 0.80.10-2.2.mga1:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 146484<br>
+&gt; - add Require on sendmail to allow successful sending of reports<br>
+<br>
+Isn&#39;t there a virtual provide for MTA?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>It is &#39;sendmail-command&#39;.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 17:15, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On 21 September 2011 18:59, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; doktor5000 &lt;doktor5000&gt; 0.80.10-2.2.mga1:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 146484<br>
+&gt; - add Require on sendmail to allow successful sending of reports<br>
+<br>
+Isn&#39;t there a virtual provide for MTA?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>It is &#39;sendmail-command&#39;.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 19:09, Luc Menut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lmenut@free.fr">lmenut@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+But perhaps we could/should change the configuration of msec to not send email by default, by adding MAIL_WARN=no in /etc/security/msec/security.<u></u>conf.<br></blockquote><div><br>Better doing it for /etc/security/msec/level.* then. <br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 19:09, Luc Menut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lmenut@free.fr">lmenut@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+But perhaps we could/should change the configuration of msec to not send email by default, by adding MAIL_WARN=no in /etc/security/msec/security.<u></u>conf.<br></blockquote><div><br>Better doing it for /etc/security/msec/level.* then. <br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Anssi Hannula wrote <i>Tue Sep 20 17:29:44</i> :<br>
+    &gt;Including faac itself is no less safe than other
+    patent-encumbered <br>
+    &gt;codecs, since the non-free parts do not forbid redistribution.<br>
+    <br>
+    The only non-free and non GPL part of FAAC is the ISO MPEG reference
+    code which <br>
+    it is based on... to comply with this international standard
+    (nothing strange in that) <br>
+    everything else is LGPL .<br>
+    An international standard may not be modified,&nbsp; for sure, and is
+    surely not GPL !<br>
+    And for this reason we may consider FAAC as non-free...<br>
+    <br>
+    Faac i's the only way to create *.aac or *.m4a files without using a
+    proprietary encoder <br>
+    (like NERO aac encoder that can't be distribuable... and is surely
+    not GPL !)<br>
+    But this may induce some patent problems (same as creating *.mp3
+    files with lame)<br>
+    So FAAC needs to go in tainted ... <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    What to do with this f****g non-free &amp; tainted program<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;Thomas Backlund said in july<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/006560.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/006560.html</a><br>
+    <pre>&gt; If there is a package that otherwise matches core or nonfree repos,
+&gt; but has a possible patent issue it ends up in tainted.
+</pre>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Anssi Hannula wrote :<br>
+    &gt;However, the license of software 'x' may forbid (like GPL does)<br>
+    &gt;distributing a binary of 'x' which is linked against non-free
+    code<br>
+    &gt;(which faac has), hence it may not be ok to build 'x' with faac
+    support.<br>
+    <br>
+    Binaries of faac ; and vlc, gstreamer-plugins-bad, mencoder,
+    libquicktime built with faac-devel <br>
+    are available in :<br>
+    Debian-Multimedia repo<br>
+    Ubuntu-multiverse repo<br>
+    opensuse-11.4-packman repo<br>
+    fedora-15-ATrpm repo<br>
+    plf repo for Mandriva 2010.2 &amp; 2011<br>
+    etc...<br>
+    <br>
+    These are well known and well used third party repositories <br>
+    I don't know if they they don't respect the GPL (plf didn't ?)<br>
+    <br>
+    The sources of these programs have some building options (allowing
+    to respect<br>
+    patent legislation in some countries...) and the distributions that
+    want to be worldwide<br>
+    reachable skip some of these options to build the binaries in their
+    official repos... <br>
+    letting third party providing the "full binaries" with patent
+    potential problems<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    The mageia's tainted repo being a kind of optional repo (some
+    mirrors being free not to propose<br>
+    it to respect local patent legislation) may be used the same way as
+    these third repo...<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    But if these rpms can't be provided by Mageia,&nbsp; some unofficial
+    third party repos will appear<br>
+    like for other distro (need to create a new plf for Mageia ?) <br>
+    or let appear a Mageia International Backport or a Thac's Mageia
+    rpm...<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>
+</pre>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
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+    Anssi Hannula wrote <i>Tue Sep 20 17:29:44</i> :<br>
+    &gt;Including faac itself is no less safe than other
+    patent-encumbered <br>
+    &gt;codecs, since the non-free parts do not forbid redistribution.<br>
+    <br>
+    The only non-free and non GPL part of FAAC is the ISO MPEG reference
+    code which <br>
+    it is based on... to comply with this international standard
+    (nothing strange in that) <br>
+    everything else is LGPL .<br>
+    An international standard may not be modified,&nbsp; for sure, and is
+    surely not GPL !<br>
+    And for this reason we may consider FAAC as non-free...<br>
+    <br>
+    Faac i's the only way to create *.aac or *.m4a files without using a
+    proprietary encoder <br>
+    (like NERO aac encoder that can't be distribuable... and is surely
+    not GPL !)<br>
+    But this may induce some patent problems (same as creating *.mp3
+    files with lame)<br>
+    So FAAC needs to go in tainted ... <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    What to do with this f****g non-free &amp; tainted program<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;Thomas Backlund said in july<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/006560.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-July/006560.html</a><br>
+    <pre>&gt; If there is a package that otherwise matches core or nonfree repos,
+&gt; but has a possible patent issue it ends up in tainted.
+</pre>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Anssi Hannula wrote :<br>
+    &gt;However, the license of software 'x' may forbid (like GPL does)<br>
+    &gt;distributing a binary of 'x' which is linked against non-free
+    code<br>
+    &gt;(which faac has), hence it may not be ok to build 'x' with faac
+    support.<br>
+    <br>
+    Binaries of faac ; and vlc, gstreamer-plugins-bad, mencoder,
+    libquicktime built with faac-devel <br>
+    are available in :<br>
+    Debian-Multimedia repo<br>
+    Ubuntu-multiverse repo<br>
+    opensuse-11.4-packman repo<br>
+    fedora-15-ATrpm repo<br>
+    plf repo for Mandriva 2010.2 &amp; 2011<br>
+    etc...<br>
+    <br>
+    These are well known and well used third party repositories <br>
+    I don't know if they they don't respect the GPL (plf didn't ?)<br>
+    <br>
+    The sources of these programs have some building options (allowing
+    to respect<br>
+    patent legislation in some countries...) and the distributions that
+    want to be worldwide<br>
+    reachable skip some of these options to build the binaries in their
+    official repos... <br>
+    letting third party providing the "full binaries" with patent
+    potential problems<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    The mageia's tainted repo being a kind of optional repo (some
+    mirrors being free not to propose<br>
+    it to respect local patent legislation) may be used the same way as
+    these third repo...<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    But if these rpms can't be provided by Mageia,&nbsp; some unofficial
+    third party repos will appear<br>
+    like for other distro (need to create a new plf for Mageia ?) <br>
+    or let appear a Mageia International Backport or a Thac's Mageia
+    rpm...<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>
+</pre>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/21 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juan.baptiste@gmail.com">juan.baptiste@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maintained: 2341<br>
+&gt; Unmaintained: 3737<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Looks like the 2 previous days have not seen much package grabbing, are we all<br>
+&gt; full ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Can you please send again the list of remaining unmaintained packages<br>
+? that would make it easier to pick some more.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+JLB<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>May be you can use an mgarepo command for that. <br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/21 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juan.baptiste@gmail.com">juan.baptiste@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maintained: 2341<br>
+&gt; Unmaintained: 3737<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Looks like the 2 previous days have not seen much package grabbing, are we all<br>
+&gt; full ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Can you please send again the list of remaining unmaintained packages<br>
+? that would make it easier to pick some more.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+JLB<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>May be you can use an mgarepo command for that. <br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Why to drop komposer?<br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Matteo &lt;pasotti.matteo@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Enviado: </b>jueves 22 de septiembre de 2011 08:57:30 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] [WARNING] libpng-1.5.4 landing soon<br><br></div>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>Il 21/09/2011 04:07, Funda Wang ha scritto:<br>> Now the migration is almost done here. The left packages are:<br>> <br>> Won't build due to other reasons:<br>> eclipse, glibc, midori, R-base, xemacs<br>> <br>> Propose to drop from distro:<br>> kompozer, fltk2, sam2p, stratagus2.1<br>> <br>> Wait for upstream new version:<br>> texlive, xbmc<br>> <br>> *** Huge patch help wanted:<br>> freeimage, links-graphic, links-hacked, netpbm, TiMidity++<br>> <br>> Please report any other issues against libpng 1.5 migration now.<br>> <br>> Regards.<br>Hi,<br>xaralx needs a patch I'm working on.<br>Regards,<br>- -- <br>Matteo<br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)<br>Comment: Using GnuPG with Mageia - <a href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org">http://enigmail.mozdev.org</a>/<br><br>iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOevhvAAoJED3LowjDDWbNdcUH+gL2e/42BqFk9V5ZVv5+FkfA<br>xXw5KtuxZ6fAuVtsExpc8Yw/tw4HDzNlsCDZs2NadW/L4CfCKOu/j2pr1Gv3FIfL<br>0RRd4pWCpvHOLx4NHKp2cGsu88NhCUojAaVOvKimLfIRlep9uFA6ZQixshlPPoeF<br>ubgfc3i7dQEGW6/TxBBBUdZRZzYKqcXqlREuDptJ8nsBLLJG3rLVDsTsoHF8h/wI<br>f8Yq3kSQk5rR9/htjkSQDGAG+LJgx27r8EpK+CKDnlfS1HjlZSxvdWFPWsm2mIfa<br>6w7GmNlHqHFTaz5AkgEPH9VPCisz8zqwKEVWNYCRRLOs2JvrmGciTgtZeVROsGo=<br>=d/Q9<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Why to drop komposer?<br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Matteo &lt;pasotti.matteo@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Enviado: </b>jueves 22 de septiembre de 2011 08:57:30 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] [WARNING] libpng-1.5.4 landing soon<br><br></div>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>Il 21/09/2011 04:07, Funda Wang ha scritto:<br>> Now the migration is almost done here. The left packages are:<br>> <br>> Won't build due to other reasons:<br>> eclipse, glibc, midori, R-base, xemacs<br>> <br>> Propose to drop from distro:<br>> kompozer, fltk2, sam2p, stratagus2.1<br>> <br>> Wait for upstream new version:<br>> texlive, xbmc<br>> <br>> *** Huge patch help wanted:<br>> freeimage, links-graphic, links-hacked, netpbm, TiMidity++<br>> <br>> Please report any other issues against libpng 1.5 migration now.<br>> <br>> Regards.<br>Hi,<br>xaralx needs a patch I'm working on.<br>Regards,<br>- -- <br>Matteo<br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)<br>Comment: Using GnuPG with Mageia - <a href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org">http://enigmail.mozdev.org</a>/<br><br>iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOevhvAAoJED3LowjDDWbNdcUH+gL2e/42BqFk9V5ZVv5+FkfA<br>xXw5KtuxZ6fAuVtsExpc8Yw/tw4HDzNlsCDZs2NadW/L4CfCKOu/j2pr1Gv3FIfL<br>0RRd4pWCpvHOLx4NHKp2cGsu88NhCUojAaVOvKimLfIRlep9uFA6ZQixshlPPoeF<br>ubgfc3i7dQEGW6/TxBBBUdZRZzYKqcXqlREuDptJ8nsBLLJG3rLVDsTsoHF8h/wI<br>f8Yq3kSQk5rR9/htjkSQDGAG+LJgx27r8EpK+CKDnlfS1HjlZSxvdWFPWsm2mIfa<br>6w7GmNlHqHFTaz5AkgEPH9VPCisz8zqwKEVWNYCRRLOs2JvrmGciTgtZeVROsGo=<br>=d/Q9<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 23:16, blind Pete <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:0123peter@gmail.com">0123peter@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+1a.  Popup box (this sort of happens in KDE) or a &quot;write&quot; message to<br>
+the tty that says, &quot;go read the logs&quot;.<br></blockquote><div><br>The desktop notification is already there actually, since Mandriva 2009.1.<br><br>Tty notification was there since Mandrake era I think.<br clear="all">
+
+<br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 23:16, blind Pete <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:0123peter@gmail.com">0123peter@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+1a.  Popup box (this sort of happens in KDE) or a &quot;write&quot; message to<br>
+the tty that says, &quot;go read the logs&quot;.<br></blockquote><div><br>The desktop notification is already there actually, since Mandriva 2009.1.<br><br>Tty notification was there since Mandrake era I think.<br clear="all">
+
+<br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:19, Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+The main problem when adding sendmail-command (or another MTA) is<br>
+that at least every default installation of Mageia 1 will get an MTA installed.<br>
+The question is, do we really want to force this on our users?<br></blockquote><div><br>I have one yet more controversial idea - do we need msec installed by default? :)<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br>
+
+</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:19, Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+The main problem when adding sendmail-command (or another MTA) is<br>
+that at least every default installation of Mageia 1 will get an MTA installed.<br>
+The question is, do we really want to force this on our users?<br></blockquote><div><br>I have one yet more controversial idea - do we need msec installed by default? :)<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br>
+
+</a><br>
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+Sure, as long as there are patches. Actually, I&#39;ve already used a lot of patches from Gentoo. But some of them are not working locally.<br><br>在 2011年9月23日星期五，Pacho Ramos &lt;<a href="mailto:pacho@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es">pacho@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es</a>&gt; 写�：<br>
+&gt; El mié, 21-09-2011 a las 10:07 +0800, Funda Wang escribió:<br>&gt;&gt; Now the migration is almost done here. The left packages are:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Won&#39;t build due to other reasons:<br>&gt;&gt; eclipse, glibc, midori, R-base, xemacs<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Propose to drop from distro:<br>&gt;&gt; kompozer, fltk2, sam2p, stratagus2.1<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Wait for upstream new version:<br>&gt;&gt; texlive, xbmc<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; *** Huge patch help wanted:<br>
+&gt;&gt; freeimage, links-graphic, links-hacked, netpbm, TiMidity++<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Please report any other issues against libpng 1.5 migration now.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Regards.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I would point you to Gentoo and NetBSD to look for libpng-1.5 patches,<br>
+&gt; as other people have being working on migration for a long time and<br>&gt; maybe you can find fixes there :-)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
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+Sure, as long as there are patches. Actually, I&#39;ve already used a lot of patches from Gentoo. But some of them are not working locally.<br><br>在 2011年9月23日星期五，Pacho Ramos &lt;<a href="mailto:pacho@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es">pacho@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es</a>&gt; 写�：<br>
+&gt; El mié, 21-09-2011 a las 10:07 +0800, Funda Wang escribió:<br>&gt;&gt; Now the migration is almost done here. The left packages are:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Won&#39;t build due to other reasons:<br>&gt;&gt; eclipse, glibc, midori, R-base, xemacs<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Propose to drop from distro:<br>&gt;&gt; kompozer, fltk2, sam2p, stratagus2.1<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Wait for upstream new version:<br>&gt;&gt; texlive, xbmc<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; *** Huge patch help wanted:<br>
+&gt;&gt; freeimage, links-graphic, links-hacked, netpbm, TiMidity++<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Please report any other issues against libpng 1.5 migration now.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Regards.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I would point you to Gentoo and NetBSD to look for libpng-1.5 patches,<br>
+&gt; as other people have being working on migration for a long time and<br>&gt; maybe you can find fixes there :-)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
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+    <pre><b>&gt;nicolas vigier</b>  <i>Tue Sep 27 13:52:27 CEST 2011</i> </pre>
+    &gt;Can you stop creating a new thread anytime you send an email ?<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm really sorry...&nbsp; It's not deliberate <br>
+    Whatever I tried I could never prevent Thunderbird to create a new
+    thread when I post in mageia mailing lists. <br>
+    <br>
+    I ask for some help in an other place ...<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110927/005481.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110927/005481.html</a><br>
+    <br>
+    I hope this doesn't make you to much angry ... <br>
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+    <pre><b>&gt;nicolas vigier</b>  <i>Tue Sep 27 13:52:27 CEST 2011</i> </pre>
+    &gt;Can you stop creating a new thread anytime you send an email ?<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm really sorry...&nbsp; It's not deliberate <br>
+    Whatever I tried I could never prevent Thunderbird to create a new
+    thread when I post in mageia mailing lists. <br>
+    <br>
+    I ask for some help in an other place ...<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110927/005481.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20110927/005481.html</a><br>
+    <br>
+    I hope this doesn't make you to much angry ... <br>
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+<p>You could find latest mgarepo in Mandriva&#39;s backports media.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-9-27 上�8:02，&quot;Bruno Cornec&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Bruno.Cornec@hp.com">Bruno.Cornec@hp.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution">&gt; Balcaen John said on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 08:50:19PM -0300:<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Le Mardi 27 Septembre 2011 01:20:46 Bruno Cornec a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I have a problem trying to upload sources to SVN repo:<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; $ mgarepo upload ../tellico-2.3.4.tar.bz2<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; error: svn: Can&#39;t open file<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &#39;/svn/binrepos/cauldron/tellico/current/SOURCES/format&#39;: Permission<br>&gt;&gt; [...]<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; mgarepo is not up to date. SVN binrepo is not used anymore.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; I was using 1.9.8 (from the mageia wiki) however.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I&#39;ve rebuilt the latest from Mandriva (1.10.1) - yes I know that I&#39;m<br>&gt; still not on Mageia on my main systems, but moving takes time, and I<br>
+&gt; need to have all the required packages available, which I&#39;d like to work<br>&gt; on the vicious circle ;-)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; With that new version:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; mgarepo upload ../tellico-2.3.4.tar.bz2<br>&gt; Traceback (most recent call last):<br>
+&gt;   File &quot;/usr/bin/mgarepo&quot;, line 93, in &lt;module&gt;<br>&gt;     do_command(parse_options, dispatch_command)<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/command.py&quot;, line 39,<br>&gt; in do_command<br>
+&gt;     main_func(**opt.__dict__)<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/bin/mgarepo&quot;, line 84, in dispatch_command<br>&gt;     command_module.main()<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/commands/upload.py&quot;,<br>
+&gt; line 27, in main<br>&gt;     do_command(parse_options, upload)<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/command.py&quot;, line 39,<br>&gt; in do_command<br>&gt;     main_func(**opt.__dict__)<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/rpmutil.py&quot;, line 638,<br>
+&gt; in upload<br>&gt;     binrepo.upload_binary(topdir, os.path.basename(path))<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/binrepo.py&quot;, line 95,<br>&gt; in upload_binary<br>&gt;     raise Error, &quot;&#39;%s&#39; was not found&quot; % spath<br>
+&gt; NameError: global name &#39;spath&#39; is not defined<br>&gt; <br>&gt; And yes, my ssh key is there (I can do mgarepo/svn co/ci)<br>&gt; Bruno.<br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Open Source &amp; Linux Profession Lead EMEA           / <a href="http://opensource.hp.com">http://opensource.hp.com</a><br>
+&gt; HP/Intel/Red Hat Open Source Solutions Initiative  / <a href="http://www.hpintelco.net">http://www.hpintelco.net</a><br>&gt; <a href="http://www.HyPer-Linux.org">http://www.HyPer-Linux.org</a>  <a href="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</a> <a href="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</a><br>
+&gt; La musique ancienne?  <a href="http://www.musique-ancienne.org">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</a> <a href="http://www.medieval.org">http://www.medieval.org</a><br></div>
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+<p>You could find latest mgarepo in Mandriva&#39;s backports media.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-9-27 上�8:02，&quot;Bruno Cornec&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Bruno.Cornec@hp.com">Bruno.Cornec@hp.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution">&gt; Balcaen John said on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 08:50:19PM -0300:<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Le Mardi 27 Septembre 2011 01:20:46 Bruno Cornec a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I have a problem trying to upload sources to SVN repo:<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; $ mgarepo upload ../tellico-2.3.4.tar.bz2<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; error: svn: Can&#39;t open file<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &#39;/svn/binrepos/cauldron/tellico/current/SOURCES/format&#39;: Permission<br>&gt;&gt; [...]<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; mgarepo is not up to date. SVN binrepo is not used anymore.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; I was using 1.9.8 (from the mageia wiki) however.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I&#39;ve rebuilt the latest from Mandriva (1.10.1) - yes I know that I&#39;m<br>&gt; still not on Mageia on my main systems, but moving takes time, and I<br>
+&gt; need to have all the required packages available, which I&#39;d like to work<br>&gt; on the vicious circle ;-)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; With that new version:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; mgarepo upload ../tellico-2.3.4.tar.bz2<br>&gt; Traceback (most recent call last):<br>
+&gt;   File &quot;/usr/bin/mgarepo&quot;, line 93, in &lt;module&gt;<br>&gt;     do_command(parse_options, dispatch_command)<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/command.py&quot;, line 39,<br>&gt; in do_command<br>
+&gt;     main_func(**opt.__dict__)<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/bin/mgarepo&quot;, line 84, in dispatch_command<br>&gt;     command_module.main()<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/commands/upload.py&quot;,<br>
+&gt; line 27, in main<br>&gt;     do_command(parse_options, upload)<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/command.py&quot;, line 39,<br>&gt; in do_command<br>&gt;     main_func(**opt.__dict__)<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/rpmutil.py&quot;, line 638,<br>
+&gt; in upload<br>&gt;     binrepo.upload_binary(topdir, os.path.basename(path))<br>&gt;   File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MgaRepo/binrepo.py&quot;, line 95,<br>&gt; in upload_binary<br>&gt;     raise Error, &quot;&#39;%s&#39; was not found&quot; % spath<br>
+&gt; NameError: global name &#39;spath&#39; is not defined<br>&gt; <br>&gt; And yes, my ssh key is there (I can do mgarepo/svn co/ci)<br>&gt; Bruno.<br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Open Source &amp; Linux Profession Lead EMEA           / <a href="http://opensource.hp.com">http://opensource.hp.com</a><br>
+&gt; HP/Intel/Red Hat Open Source Solutions Initiative  / <a href="http://www.hpintelco.net">http://www.hpintelco.net</a><br>&gt; <a href="http://www.HyPer-Linux.org">http://www.HyPer-Linux.org</a>  <a href="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</a> <a href="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</a><br>
+&gt; La musique ancienne?  <a href="http://www.musique-ancienne.org">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</a> <a href="http://www.medieval.org">http://www.medieval.org</a><br></div>
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+News
+====
+
+This release contains an ABI change: code written by the GDBus code
+generation in this version of GLib is not compatible with earlier
+versions of the library (and vice versa).
+
+* GDBus changes:
+ - change property API to avoid namespace problems
+ - use correct object path in export_uniquely() method of
+   GDBusObjectManagerServer
+ - docs and tests improvements
+ - better handling of Ugly_Case method names
+ - build fixes for generated code
+
+* Unix mounts:
+ - BSD compile fixes
+ - ignore mounts with mountpoint &quot;none&quot; (as swap is on Debian)
+
+* GMappedFile:
+ - return an error when trying to mmap device files (like /dev/stdin)
+
+* gio-2.0.pc.in: drop stray reference to libasyncns
+
+* introspection annotation improvements, docs fixes
+
+* avoid double close() on the fd of a stream after splicing
+
+* desktop file handling: avoid mimeapps.list corruption issue
+
+* Bugs fixed:
+ 654563 info capplet: Failed to calculate disk space
+ 658188 _set_as_last_used_for_type generates a broken mimeapps.list
+ 658692 add introspection annotations to g_time_val_from_iso8601()
+ 659324 SPLICE_CLOSE_TARGET doesn't mark the output stream as closed
+ 659528 unbreak compilation on BSD systems
+ 659646 gdbus-codegen produce code that warnings at build
+ 659690 Possible build warning in code generated by gdbus-codegen
+ 659699 property name collision when generating code for &quot;Connection&quot;
+ 659794 gmappedfile.c-No S_ISREG on certain Windows compilers
+ 659838 incorrect argument types in for g_object_bind_property
+ 659889 glib-2.29.92/gio-2.0.pc.in has a wrong line. 
+
+* Translation updates:
+ Assamese
+ Basque
+ Bulgarian
+ Catalan
+ Catalan (Valencian)
+ Czech
+ Danish
+ Esperanto
+ German
+ Gujarati
+ Lithuanian
+ Oriya
+ Serbian
+ Slovenian
+
+
+ChangeLog
+=========
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/glib/2.30/glib-2.30.0.changes  (14.5K)
+
+Download
+========
+
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/glib/2.30/glib-2.30.0.tar.xz  (5.48M)
+  sha256sum: d64c00b43409eabb89aad78501fcb1a992b002b314a4414a9bd069585cb7cdc1
+
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/glib/2.30/glib-2.30.0.tar.bz2 (7.29M)
+  sha256sum: ca9c731017ab370859e847f8b70079bc6dcf389dc0ccb0d0419925aff81b9687
+
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+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000008
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: IP: [<ffffffffa0490251>] _ZN20CMMHeap_SystemMemory8pushPoolEP7CMMPool+0x11/0x40 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: PGD 3155d3067 PUD 102228067 PMD 0 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: CPU 0 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Modules linked in: xt_state xt_limit sha256_generic cryptd aes_x86_64 aes_generic cbc dm_crypt parport_pc ppdev parport nls_iso8859_1 nls_cp437 vfat fat xt_AUDIT ipt_LOG xt_time xt_connlimit xt_helper xt_realm xt_NFQUEUE xt_tcpmss xt_tcpudp xt_addrtype xt_pkttype xt_set ip_set_hash_ip ip_set nfnetlink iptable_raw xt_TPROXY nf_tproxy_core ip6_tables nf_defrag_ipv6 xt_CLASSIFY xt_mark xt_hashlimit xt_comment ipt_REJECT xt_length xt_connmark xt_owner xt_recent xt_iprange xt_physdev xt_policy iptable_mangle iptable_nat nf_nat xt_multiport nf_conntrack_ipv4 nf_defrag_ipv4 xt_conntrack nf_conntrack iptable_filter ip_tables x_tables af_packet w83627ehf hwmon_vid coretemp binfmt_misc loop ext3 jbd dm_mod cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_powersave acpi_cpufreq freq_table mperf kvm_intel kvm uas usb_storage usbhid hid snd_hda_codec_hdmi snd_hda_codec_analog snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_seq_device snd_pcm_oss snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep fglrx
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: (P) snd_pcm asus_atk0110 mxm_wmi button processor evdev floppy i2c_i801 i2c_core crc_itu_t snd_timer snd_mixer_oss snd i7core_edac edac_core soundcore wmi iTCO_wdt sr_mod snd_page_alloc iTCO_vendor_support uhci_hcd ehci_hcd sg sky2 usbcore ipv6 autofs4 pata_marvell ata_piix ahci libahci libata sd_mod scsi_mod crc_t10dif ext4 jbd2 crc16 [last unloaded: firewire_core]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Pid: 11875, comm: X Tainted: P            3.0.4-server-1.mga2 #1 System manufacturer System Product Name/P6T DELUXE V2
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RIP: 0010:[<ffffffffa0490251>]  [<ffffffffa0490251>] _ZN20CMMHeap_SystemMemory8pushPoolEP7CMMPool+0x11/0x40 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RSP: 0018:ffff880314b17990  EFLAGS: 00010297
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RAX: ffff8803148ec008 RBX: ffffc90012aa8150 RCX: 0000000000000000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RDX: 0000000000000000 RSI: ffffc90012aa8018 RDI: ffff8803148ecde8
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RBP: 0000000000000002 R08: ffffffffa04be050 R09: ffff8803148ec008
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: R10: ffffc90012aa8090 R11: ffff8803148ec008 R12: ffff8803148ecde8
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: R13: 0000000000000040 R14: 0000000000000000 R15: 0000000000000000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: FS:  00007f9bd85e3880(0000) GS:ffff88033fc00000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: CS:  0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: CR2: 0000000000000008 CR3: 000000032356e000 CR4: 00000000000006f0
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: DR0: 0000000000000000 DR1: 0000000000000000 DR2: 0000000000000000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: DR3: 0000000000000000 DR6: 00000000ffff0ff0 DR7: 0000000000000400
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Process X (pid: 11875, threadinfo ffff880314b16000, task ffff880105895b00)
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Stack:
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: ffffffffa048fc76 0000000000000000 ffff8803148ecde8 ffff8803148ece78
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: 0000000000000200 0000000000000000 ffffffffa042add5 0000000000080000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: ffff8803148ecde8 ffffffffa04be050 ffffffffa042b138 ffff880314b17a58
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Call Trace:
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa048fc76>] ? _ZN7CMMHeap15createPoolSpaceI21CMMPoolAsicAccessibleEEbj+0xb6/0xc0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa042add5>] ? _ZN20CMMHeap_SystemMemory10obtainPoolEv+0x85/0xc0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa042b138>] ? _ZN16CMMHeap_PAGEABLE10expandHeapEm+0x18/0xb0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa048fa6a>] ? _ZN7CMMHeap10expandHeapEmRmPv+0xa/0x10 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa0429aed>] ? _ZN7CMMHeap21allocateMorePoolSpaceEmPv+0x8d/0x1b0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa04284be>] ? _ZN14CMMHeapManager13allocPageableEjR14CMM_ALLOCATION+0xbe/0x100 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa0432457>] ? _ZN9CMMObjectnwEmP8CMM_CORE+0x37/0x70 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa0435fa2>] ? _ZN8MSF_CORE21get_surface_structureEv+0xc2/0xe0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa0420bcf>] ? _ZN3MSF11create_surfEP9CMMClientP9CMMDriverPvRA4_K14CMM_ALLOCATIONP16MSF_SURF_ATTRIBS+0x1f/0x1c0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa04222b3>] ? _ZN3MSF21handle_shared_surfaceEP9CMMClientP9CMMDriverP10CMMSurfaceP16MSF_SURF_ATTRIBSP15_CMM_RETURNCODE+0x113/0x280 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa041c92a>] ? CMMAllocSurface_WA+0x62a/0xab0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03d42a2>] ? firegl_trace+0x72/0x1e0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa042da19>] ? _Z8uCWDDEQCmjjPvjS_+0xb59/0x10c0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff81087ebe>] ? down+0x2e/0x50
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03d67b2>] ? firegl_cmmqs_CWDDE_32+0x332/0x440 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03d50e0>] ? firegl_cmmqs_CWDDE32+0x70/0x100 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff811ef5ca>] ? security_capable+0x2a/0x30
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03d5070>] ? firegl_cmmqs_createdriver+0x170/0x170 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03b3c98>] ? firegl_ioctl+0x1e8/0x250 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff811fb2ea>] ? tomoyo_init_request_info+0x3a/0x70
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03a4e4e>] ? ip_firegl_unlocked_ioctl+0xe/0x20 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff8116a287>] ? do_vfs_ioctl+0x97/0x4f0
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff8116a771>] ? sys_ioctl+0x91/0xa0
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff81427e92>] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Code: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 48 8d 47 60 c3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 31 c9 48 8b 97 90 00 00 00 83 7e 18 02 48 0f 44 ce 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RIP  [<ffffffffa0490251>] _ZN20CMMHeap_SystemMemory8pushPoolEP7CMMPool+0x11/0x40 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RSP <ffff880314b17990>
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: CR2: 0000000000000008
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: ---[ end trace d999ed49f808c520 ]---
+
+
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+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000008
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: IP: [<ffffffffa0490251>] _ZN20CMMHeap_SystemMemory8pushPoolEP7CMMPool+0x11/0x40 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: PGD 3155d3067 PUD 102228067 PMD 0 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: CPU 0 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Modules linked in: xt_state xt_limit sha256_generic cryptd aes_x86_64 aes_generic cbc dm_crypt parport_pc ppdev parport nls_iso8859_1 nls_cp437 vfat fat xt_AUDIT ipt_LOG xt_time xt_connlimit xt_helper xt_realm xt_NFQUEUE xt_tcpmss xt_tcpudp xt_addrtype xt_pkttype xt_set ip_set_hash_ip ip_set nfnetlink iptable_raw xt_TPROXY nf_tproxy_core ip6_tables nf_defrag_ipv6 xt_CLASSIFY xt_mark xt_hashlimit xt_comment ipt_REJECT xt_length xt_connmark xt_owner xt_recent xt_iprange xt_physdev xt_policy iptable_mangle iptable_nat nf_nat xt_multiport nf_conntrack_ipv4 nf_defrag_ipv4 xt_conntrack nf_conntrack iptable_filter ip_tables x_tables af_packet w83627ehf hwmon_vid coretemp binfmt_misc loop ext3 jbd dm_mod cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_powersave acpi_cpufreq freq_table mperf kvm_intel kvm uas usb_storage usbhid hid snd_hda_codec_hdmi snd_hda_codec_analog snd_seq_dummy snd_seq_oss snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq snd_seq_device snd_pcm_oss snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep fglrx
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: (P) snd_pcm asus_atk0110 mxm_wmi button processor evdev floppy i2c_i801 i2c_core crc_itu_t snd_timer snd_mixer_oss snd i7core_edac edac_core soundcore wmi iTCO_wdt sr_mod snd_page_alloc iTCO_vendor_support uhci_hcd ehci_hcd sg sky2 usbcore ipv6 autofs4 pata_marvell ata_piix ahci libahci libata sd_mod scsi_mod crc_t10dif ext4 jbd2 crc16 [last unloaded: firewire_core]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Pid: 11875, comm: X Tainted: P            3.0.4-server-1.mga2 #1 System manufacturer System Product Name/P6T DELUXE V2
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RIP: 0010:[<ffffffffa0490251>]  [<ffffffffa0490251>] _ZN20CMMHeap_SystemMemory8pushPoolEP7CMMPool+0x11/0x40 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RSP: 0018:ffff880314b17990  EFLAGS: 00010297
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RAX: ffff8803148ec008 RBX: ffffc90012aa8150 RCX: 0000000000000000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RDX: 0000000000000000 RSI: ffffc90012aa8018 RDI: ffff8803148ecde8
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RBP: 0000000000000002 R08: ffffffffa04be050 R09: ffff8803148ec008
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: R10: ffffc90012aa8090 R11: ffff8803148ec008 R12: ffff8803148ecde8
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: R13: 0000000000000040 R14: 0000000000000000 R15: 0000000000000000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: FS:  00007f9bd85e3880(0000) GS:ffff88033fc00000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: CS:  0010 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 0000000080050033
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: CR2: 0000000000000008 CR3: 000000032356e000 CR4: 00000000000006f0
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: DR0: 0000000000000000 DR1: 0000000000000000 DR2: 0000000000000000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: DR3: 0000000000000000 DR6: 00000000ffff0ff0 DR7: 0000000000000400
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Process X (pid: 11875, threadinfo ffff880314b16000, task ffff880105895b00)
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Stack:
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: ffffffffa048fc76 0000000000000000 ffff8803148ecde8 ffff8803148ece78
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: 0000000000000200 0000000000000000 ffffffffa042add5 0000000000080000
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: ffff8803148ecde8 ffffffffa04be050 ffffffffa042b138 ffff880314b17a58
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Call Trace:
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa048fc76>] ? _ZN7CMMHeap15createPoolSpaceI21CMMPoolAsicAccessibleEEbj+0xb6/0xc0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa042add5>] ? _ZN20CMMHeap_SystemMemory10obtainPoolEv+0x85/0xc0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa042b138>] ? _ZN16CMMHeap_PAGEABLE10expandHeapEm+0x18/0xb0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa048fa6a>] ? _ZN7CMMHeap10expandHeapEmRmPv+0xa/0x10 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa0429aed>] ? _ZN7CMMHeap21allocateMorePoolSpaceEmPv+0x8d/0x1b0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa04284be>] ? _ZN14CMMHeapManager13allocPageableEjR14CMM_ALLOCATION+0xbe/0x100 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa0432457>] ? _ZN9CMMObjectnwEmP8CMM_CORE+0x37/0x70 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa0435fa2>] ? _ZN8MSF_CORE21get_surface_structureEv+0xc2/0xe0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa0420bcf>] ? _ZN3MSF11create_surfEP9CMMClientP9CMMDriverPvRA4_K14CMM_ALLOCATIONP16MSF_SURF_ATTRIBS+0x1f/0x1c0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa04222b3>] ? _ZN3MSF21handle_shared_surfaceEP9CMMClientP9CMMDriverP10CMMSurfaceP16MSF_SURF_ATTRIBSP15_CMM_RETURNCODE+0x113/0x280 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa041c92a>] ? CMMAllocSurface_WA+0x62a/0xab0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03d42a2>] ? firegl_trace+0x72/0x1e0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa042da19>] ? _Z8uCWDDEQCmjjPvjS_+0xb59/0x10c0 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff81087ebe>] ? down+0x2e/0x50
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03d67b2>] ? firegl_cmmqs_CWDDE_32+0x332/0x440 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03d50e0>] ? firegl_cmmqs_CWDDE32+0x70/0x100 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff811ef5ca>] ? security_capable+0x2a/0x30
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03d5070>] ? firegl_cmmqs_createdriver+0x170/0x170 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03b3c98>] ? firegl_ioctl+0x1e8/0x250 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff811fb2ea>] ? tomoyo_init_request_info+0x3a/0x70
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffffa03a4e4e>] ? ip_firegl_unlocked_ioctl+0xe/0x20 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff8116a287>] ? do_vfs_ioctl+0x97/0x4f0
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff8116a771>] ? sys_ioctl+0x91/0xa0
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: [<ffffffff81427e92>] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: Code: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 48 8d 47 60 c3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 31 c9 48 8b 97 90 00 00 00 83 7e 18 02 48 0f 44 ce 
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RIP  [<ffffffffa0490251>] _ZN20CMMHeap_SystemMemory8pushPoolEP7CMMPool+0x11/0x40 [fglrx]
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: RSP <ffff880314b17990>
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: CR2: 0000000000000008
+Sep 28 03:09:16 dvg kernel: ---[ end trace d999ed49f808c520 ]---
+
+
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+<p>It seems we are the only distros (with Mandriva) building syslinux with system libpng.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-9-30 上�2:41，&quot;Erwan Velu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:erwanaliasr1@gmail.com">erwanaliasr1@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution">&gt; Le 28/09/2011 22:13, D.Morgan a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Erwan Velu&lt;<a href="mailto:erwanaliasr1@gmail.com">erwanaliasr1@gmail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m currently updating Syslinux 4.04 and I&#39;m currently facing a trouble as,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; historically speaking, we do remove the included libpng by the system one.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; The compilation process fails. I was wondering if we really consider<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; replacing the libpng of syslinux as a security issue.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Sec team ? What&#39;s your opinion on it ?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; hi,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; i take my security hat on, we prefer when possible when we use the system libs.<br>&gt;&gt; i have not looked but which libpng is included ?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; It take the libpng-source to replace the current syslinux code.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; The point is syslinux is a bootloader that obviously don&#39;t share libs <br>&gt; with the rest of the system.<br>&gt; Considering that we can attack the bootloader via a picture means you <br>&gt; compromized the picture. If you can change the picture located at /boot, <br>
+&gt; means that you can compromize the booting parameters too.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; So if we take this road of removing bootloader&#39;s libs, shall we also <br>&gt; remove the jpeg/gz/gcc/... libs too, and maybe for other bootloaders too ?<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; I do understand the need for the application that runs under linux... <br>&gt; but about the bootloaders...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; What&#39;s your thoughts about it ?<br>&gt; Would you agree on keep syslinux untouched regarding the png lib ?<br>
+&gt; <br></div>
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+<p>It seems we are the only distros (with Mandriva) building syslinux with system libpng.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-9-30 上�2:41，&quot;Erwan Velu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:erwanaliasr1@gmail.com">erwanaliasr1@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution">&gt; Le 28/09/2011 22:13, D.Morgan a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Erwan Velu&lt;<a href="mailto:erwanaliasr1@gmail.com">erwanaliasr1@gmail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m currently updating Syslinux 4.04 and I&#39;m currently facing a trouble as,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; historically speaking, we do remove the included libpng by the system one.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; The compilation process fails. I was wondering if we really consider<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; replacing the libpng of syslinux as a security issue.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Sec team ? What&#39;s your opinion on it ?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; hi,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; i take my security hat on, we prefer when possible when we use the system libs.<br>&gt;&gt; i have not looked but which libpng is included ?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; It take the libpng-source to replace the current syslinux code.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; The point is syslinux is a bootloader that obviously don&#39;t share libs <br>&gt; with the rest of the system.<br>&gt; Considering that we can attack the bootloader via a picture means you <br>&gt; compromized the picture. If you can change the picture located at /boot, <br>
+&gt; means that you can compromize the booting parameters too.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; So if we take this road of removing bootloader&#39;s libs, shall we also <br>&gt; remove the jpeg/gz/gcc/... libs too, and maybe for other bootloaders too ?<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; I do understand the need for the application that runs under linux... <br>&gt; but about the bootloaders...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; What&#39;s your thoughts about it ?<br>&gt; Would you agree on keep syslinux untouched regarding the png lib ?<br>
+&gt; <br></div>
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+--- /usr/share/spec-helper/check_elf_files.orig	2011-09-30 00:10:33.644550738 +0200
++++ /usr/share/spec-helper/check_elf_files	2011-09-30 00:09:02.980027748 +0200
+@@ -46,7 +46,7 @@
+ # TODO: we should write a binding for libfile...
+ sub expensive_test {
+     my ($file) = @_;
+-    my $type = `file -- $file`;
++    my $type = `file -- "${file}"`;
+ }
+ 
+ # Check if a file is an elf binary, shared library, or static library,
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+--- /usr/share/spec-helper/check_elf_files.orig	2011-09-30 00:10:33.644550738 +0200
++++ /usr/share/spec-helper/check_elf_files	2011-09-30 00:09:02.980027748 +0200
+@@ -46,7 +46,7 @@
+ # TODO: we should write a binding for libfile...
+ sub expensive_test {
+     my ($file) = @_;
+-    my $type = `file -- $file`;
++    my $type = `file -- "${file}"`;
+ }
+ 
+ # Check if a file is an elf binary, shared library, or static library,
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+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a> team. I am<br>
+writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+repositories.<br>
+<br>
+We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+<br>
+Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in this way:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>Cheers!
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+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a> team. I am<br>
+writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+repositories.<br>
+<br>
+We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+<br>
+Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in this way:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>Cheers!
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+<p>OK. I&#39;ve checked the dep of zoom in Mageia1. There is no libxft binary deps also. So, libxft BR is useless from my POV of cleaning X11-devel.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-10-1 上�9:59，&quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution">&gt; 2011/9/30 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 01:55:55, Funda Wang a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 2011/9/29, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Maybe a stupid question, but why did you remove the libxft-devel BR,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; which from the package README brings more features when present at<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; configure stage ?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; That is what the maintainer should do. I&#39;m just cleanup X11-devel<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; which should be dropped indeed.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Pardon my low packaging skills, but I still don&#39;t understand: would the<br>&gt;&gt; libxft-devel BR be useless for this package, or did you remove too much BRs<br>
+&gt;&gt; during the cleanup (in which case I&#39;ll just add it back)?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; All he did was removing the X11-devel BR and probably removed wrongly<br>&gt; libxft-devel here, however from his point of view that&#39;s maintainer&#39;s<br>
+&gt; job to fix this missing BR  so you can add it back.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Balcaen John<br>&gt; Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br></div>
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+<p>OK. I&#39;ve checked the dep of zoom in Mageia1. There is no libxft binary deps also. So, libxft BR is useless from my POV of cleaning X11-devel.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-10-1 上�9:59，&quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution">&gt; 2011/9/30 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le samedi 1 octobre 2011 01:55:55, Funda Wang a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 2011/9/29, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Maybe a stupid question, but why did you remove the libxft-devel BR,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; which from the package README brings more features when present at<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; configure stage ?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; That is what the maintainer should do. I&#39;m just cleanup X11-devel<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; which should be dropped indeed.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Pardon my low packaging skills, but I still don&#39;t understand: would the<br>&gt;&gt; libxft-devel BR be useless for this package, or did you remove too much BRs<br>
+&gt;&gt; during the cleanup (in which case I&#39;ll just add it back)?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; All he did was removing the X11-devel BR and probably removed wrongly<br>&gt; libxft-devel here, however from his point of view that&#39;s maintainer&#39;s<br>
+&gt; job to fix this missing BR  so you can add it back.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Balcaen John<br>&gt; Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br></div>
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+First of all, thank you to everyone for all your comments and interest! <br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt;Samuel Verschelde:<br><br>&gt;Great, I really like it when user communities get involved directly in the<br>
+&gt;project rather than doing everything outside ! :)<br><br>We are very glad in blogdrake to help a distribution with such good<br>intentions as Mageia, so we wish all its success. <br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+&gt;José Jorge:<br><br>&gt;Good. And at first, I suggest you remove everything that is already in Mageia<br>&gt;repos as updates : smc, cegui, etc.<br>&gt;Keeping them will just add mess.<br><br>All the programmes of my repository has been checked:<br>
+- The packages are not in Cauldron.<br>- They are updated to the latest version.<br>- They have been checked the licences and written in file spec.<br>- Installed and run (in Mageia 1).<br>- Checked with rpmlint and cleaned file specs to verify the conditions of rpmlint.<br>
+(Everything in Mageia 1, not in Cauldron yet)<br><br>The result of this work is the following list:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br>
+<br>Also with the directory of srpms:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</a><br><br>I&#39;ve uploaded to BS already the first 2 programmes (flaw y fimount) with the help of<br>
+my mentor Juan Luis Baptiste (aka Juancho) and we want to continue with this work.<br><br>All your collaboration to get the final step, would be Welcome:<br>- Try to pack all these packages in Cauldron <br>- Upload to BS <br>
+There are many packages and it is too much work for one person.<br><br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>&gt;Philipe Didier<br><br>&gt;Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;<a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>&gt;<a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+<br>Thanks! The right URL is the one you show.<br><br>&gt;First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>&gt;to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>&gt;repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br><br>The main target of this repository is to have the major quantity of these Programmes in Mageia 2 and, in the meanwhile, to have a repository in which the users of Mageia can enjoy of a lot of programmes, wanting to use the distribution more and more.<br>
+<br>Frankly, I don&#39;t agree the policy of MIB. Even, MIB declared openly that it doesn&#39;t like Mageia (see the official website)<br><br>I tried to avoid packing libraries (compatiblity problems), so I have just packed only the neccesary libraries  to do some programmes work <br>
+<br>&gt;The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>&gt;with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>&gt;In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>&gt;libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>&gt;provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>&gt;If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br><br>Then I&#39;m not going to upload any programme which use faac to BS, until a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2 (audiokonverter y cinelerra will wait) ;-)<br>
+<br>I have a list of all the packages in which I show the license of each packages to avoid making mistakes with licenses:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br>
+<br>Also with the directory of srpms:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</a><br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>&gt;José Jorge:<br><br>&gt;hi, I am packaging games in mageia, so maybe I can help bring faster blogdrake<br>&gt;repos. Is there a way to say which packages I start working on?<br><br>My friend GregoryBravas (admin from <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a>) created a post with all <br>
+the games in blogdrake repository. I think you should visit it before packing yourself, <br>to avoid any extra-work! <br><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake">http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake</a><br>
+<br>Also see the previous list:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>In my blog you also can see the emulators (games) packed for Mageia:<br>
+<a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/</a><br>(The blue list on the right at the end)<br><br>I take the advantage to thank Bravas for all his help packing all these games<br>and much more programmes!! ;-)<br>
+<br>Best Regards,<br>Joaquin<br><br>
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+First of all, thank you to everyone for all your comments and interest! <br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt;Samuel Verschelde:<br><br>&gt;Great, I really like it when user communities get involved directly in the<br>
+&gt;project rather than doing everything outside ! :)<br><br>We are very glad in blogdrake to help a distribution with such good<br>intentions as Mageia, so we wish all its success. <br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+&gt;José Jorge:<br><br>&gt;Good. And at first, I suggest you remove everything that is already in Mageia<br>&gt;repos as updates : smc, cegui, etc.<br>&gt;Keeping them will just add mess.<br><br>All the programmes of my repository has been checked:<br>
+- The packages are not in Cauldron.<br>- They are updated to the latest version.<br>- They have been checked the licences and written in file spec.<br>- Installed and run (in Mageia 1).<br>- Checked with rpmlint and cleaned file specs to verify the conditions of rpmlint.<br>
+(Everything in Mageia 1, not in Cauldron yet)<br><br>The result of this work is the following list:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br>
+<br>Also with the directory of srpms:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</a><br><br>I&#39;ve uploaded to BS already the first 2 programmes (flaw y fimount) with the help of<br>
+my mentor Juan Luis Baptiste (aka Juancho) and we want to continue with this work.<br><br>All your collaboration to get the final step, would be Welcome:<br>- Try to pack all these packages in Cauldron <br>- Upload to BS <br>
+There are many packages and it is too much work for one person.<br><br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>&gt;Philipe Didier<br><br>&gt;Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;<a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>&gt;<a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+<br>Thanks! The right URL is the one you show.<br><br>&gt;First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>&gt;to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>&gt;repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br><br>The main target of this repository is to have the major quantity of these Programmes in Mageia 2 and, in the meanwhile, to have a repository in which the users of Mageia can enjoy of a lot of programmes, wanting to use the distribution more and more.<br>
+<br>Frankly, I don&#39;t agree the policy of MIB. Even, MIB declared openly that it doesn&#39;t like Mageia (see the official website)<br><br>I tried to avoid packing libraries (compatiblity problems), so I have just packed only the neccesary libraries  to do some programmes work <br>
+<br>&gt;The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>&gt;with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>&gt;In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>&gt;libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>&gt;provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>&gt;If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br><br>Then I&#39;m not going to upload any programme which use faac to BS, until a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2 (audiokonverter y cinelerra will wait) ;-)<br>
+<br>I have a list of all the packages in which I show the license of each packages to avoid making mistakes with licenses:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br>
+<br>Also with the directory of srpms:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</a><br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>&gt;José Jorge:<br><br>&gt;hi, I am packaging games in mageia, so maybe I can help bring faster blogdrake<br>&gt;repos. Is there a way to say which packages I start working on?<br><br>My friend GregoryBravas (admin from <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a>) created a post with all <br>
+the games in blogdrake repository. I think you should visit it before packing yourself, <br>to avoid any extra-work! <br><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake">http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake</a><br>
+<br>Also see the previous list:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>In my blog you also can see the emulators (games) packed for Mageia:<br>
+<a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/</a><br>(The blue list on the right at the end)<br><br>I take the advantage to thank Bravas for all his help packing all these games<br>and much more programmes!! ;-)<br>
+<br>Best Regards,<br>Joaquin<br><br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">If there is no maintainer I will rebuild it.<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Original message-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>From: </b>Philippe DIDIER &lt;philippedidier@laposte.net&gt;<b><br>To: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Sent: </b>Mon, Oct 3, 2011 18:30:41 GMT+00:00<b><br>Subject: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] texi2html<br><br></div>Thomas Spuhler a écrit :<br>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 03:49:56 pm Philippe DIDIER wrote:<br>>> D.Morgan a écrit :<br>>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Jani Välimaa <jani.valimaa@gmail.com> <br>> wrote:<br>>>>> 2011/9/27 Thomas Spuhler <thomas@btspuhler.com>:<br>>>>>> On Monday, September 26, 2011 07:33:20 pm Thomas Spuhler wrote:<br>>>>>>> On Monday, September 26, 2011 08:34:30 am Anssi Hannula wrote:<br>>>>>>>> On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:<br>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:<br>>>>>>>>>> But are you sure about texlive providing it?<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.<br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>> My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone<br>>>>>>>> texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Since I need it for lilypond, I'll fix those requires that had a<br>>>>>>> require for tetex-texi2html<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> it's also needed for gcomprise. It doesn't build without.<br>>>>>> But here comes an interesting twist.<br>>>>>> BuildRequires: texi2html in gcomprise is just being ignored, on the BS<br>>>>>> as well as on the local VM<br>>>>>> Installing it let's me build the package, after uninstalling texi2html<br>>>>>> it doesn't build, but the requires is ignored.<br>>>>>> If I change it to something else such as BuildRequires: texi3html<br>>>>>> Then it tells me rightfully texi2html is missing.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Your BR isn't ignored, texi2html is also provided by texlive and it<br>>>>> gets installed instead of texi2html.<br>>>><br>>>> i am working on new texlive, i can take a look to this issue.<br>>><br>>> Olav Vitters has rebuilt texlive (with new libpng15) after boklm had<br>>> erased the wrong Provides : texi2html<br>>><br>>> Now, if  BR texi2html is in a spec, texi2html.rpm will be installed<br>>><br>>> You may now push  ffmpeg, gcompris, to be built...<br>>> You may try lilypond<br>>><br>>> Remind that lash, qemu, and xen need to have BR modified<br>>> from BR: tetex-texi2html to BR: texi2html too<br>>><br>>> Olav Vitters seems to have taken care of quagga<br>> <br>> Thanks a lot.<br><br>One package remains with a wrong BR<br>Xen spec file still have            BR: tetex-texi2html<br>if it is rebuilt it needs to be now BR: texi2html<br><br>need to provide a bug report ?<br><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 15:56:58, Lev Givon a ¨¦crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Received from Manuel Hiebel on Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:32:04AM EDT:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le mardi 04 octobre 2011 ¨¤ 18:44 -0400, Lev Givon a ¨¦crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Received from Manuel Hiebel on Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 06:39:58PM EDT:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le mercredi 05 octobre 2011 ¨¤ 00:35 +0200, Mageia Team a ¨¦crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Name        : terminator</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; lebedov &lt;lebedov&gt; 0.96-1.mga1:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; + Revision: 151564</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - Update to 0.96.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Why ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (And there are some python-* in updates_testing without bug report</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for the QA.)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Where should they go?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; according the policy:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; For the most part, an update should consist of a patched build of the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; same version of the package released with the distribution, with a few</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; exceptions:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       *     Software versions that are no longer supported upstream with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         updates (firefox and thunderbird seem to fall into this category</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         these days)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       *     Software that is version-bound to an online service (games,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         virus scanners?) and will only work with the latest version.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       *     We will make exceptions for packages that did not make it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         into mga1 and are additions to the distribution, provided they</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         do not impact any other packages and can pass full QA.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Updates are not the appropriate place for packages created to satisfy</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; certain user's urges for ¡°the latest¡±. These types of builds belong in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; backports.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Has any decision been made on when the backports repository be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; open for submissions?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 						L.G.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes and no. Decision is : as soon as sysadmins are ready. Practically, this means that a sysadmin has to find the time to do it, and the proposed technical solution can take time to implement. That's why I proposed 2 other solutions that would allow to open really soon but haven't really got an answer.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'll try to have it added as the subject to tonight's packager meeting.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 5 octobre 2011 15:56:58, Lev Givon a ¨¦crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Received from Manuel Hiebel on Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:32:04AM EDT:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le mardi 04 octobre 2011 ¨¤ 18:44 -0400, Lev Givon a ¨¦crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Received from Manuel Hiebel on Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 06:39:58PM EDT:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le mercredi 05 octobre 2011 ¨¤ 00:35 +0200, Mageia Team a ¨¦crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Name        : terminator</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; lebedov &lt;lebedov&gt; 0.96-1.mga1:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; + Revision: 151564</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; - Update to 0.96.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Why ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (And there are some python-* in updates_testing without bug report</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for the QA.)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Where should they go?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; according the policy:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; For the most part, an update should consist of a patched build of the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; same version of the package released with the distribution, with a few</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; exceptions:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       *     Software versions that are no longer supported upstream with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         updates (firefox and thunderbird seem to fall into this category</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         these days)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       *     Software that is version-bound to an online service (games,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         virus scanners?) and will only work with the latest version.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       *     We will make exceptions for packages that did not make it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;       </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         into mga1 and are additions to the distribution, provided they</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;         do not impact any other packages and can pass full QA.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Updates are not the appropriate place for packages created to satisfy</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; certain user's urges for ¡°the latest¡±. These types of builds belong in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; backports.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Has any decision been made on when the backports repository be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; open for submissions?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 						L.G.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes and no. Decision is : as soon as sysadmins are ready. Practically, this means that a sysadmin has to find the time to do it, and the proposed technical solution can take time to implement. That's why I proposed 2 other solutions that would allow to open really soon but haven't really got an answer.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'll try to have it added as the subject to tonight's packager meeting.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+I think part of the point I noticed didn&#39;t got understood/seen by people answering on this topic.<br>I&#39;ll rephrase my wondering differently.<br><br>Syslinux is a modern bootloader and use some libs (a zlib, a png one, a jpeg one, maybe other ...).<br>
+<br>The patch I was talking about is about to change the png lib with the main argument about the security. A possible scenario with a png attack.<br><br>My point is that if we care about the security of the bootloaders regarding this kind of scenario, our work is very partial.<br>
+If we want to stay consitent, we have to remove the jpeg lib too, the compression libs also.<br><br>And this is true about all the other bootloaders. Did someone already thought about managing the security of the builtin libs inside gfxboot ?<br>
+Do we care about the gunzip code of grub ?<br><br>Being that intrusive regarding the static inclusion of this libs inside the bootloaders is just a work to report upstream and not the distro side.<br>Only focusing on changing the libpng or not of syslinux isn&#39;t enough....<br>
+<br>Honestly, for me this really sounds like cutting hairs in 4 with a hammer.<br>
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+I think part of the point I noticed didn&#39;t got understood/seen by people answering on this topic.<br>I&#39;ll rephrase my wondering differently.<br><br>Syslinux is a modern bootloader and use some libs (a zlib, a png one, a jpeg one, maybe other ...).<br>
+<br>The patch I was talking about is about to change the png lib with the main argument about the security. A possible scenario with a png attack.<br><br>My point is that if we care about the security of the bootloaders regarding this kind of scenario, our work is very partial.<br>
+If we want to stay consitent, we have to remove the jpeg lib too, the compression libs also.<br><br>And this is true about all the other bootloaders. Did someone already thought about managing the security of the builtin libs inside gfxboot ?<br>
+Do we care about the gunzip code of grub ?<br><br>Being that intrusive regarding the static inclusion of this libs inside the bootloaders is just a work to report upstream and not the distro side.<br>Only focusing on changing the libpng or not of syslinux isn&#39;t enough....<br>
+<br>Honestly, for me this really sounds like cutting hairs in 4 with a hammer.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 20:58, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Just a small headsup...<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve just submitted core kernel-3.1.0-0.rc9.1.mga2 to the buildsystem so it will probably start showing up on the mirrors in ~ 4 - 8 hours.<br>
+<br>
+Have fun...<br></blockquote><div><br>Great!!<br><br>For the ones with Intel gfx cards out there, expect some nice performance improvements for free (<a href="http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/10/03/a-first-post-about-intel-linux-graphics-and-their-friends/">http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/10/03/a-first-post-about-intel-linux-graphics-and-their-friends/</a>) :) <br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 20:58, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Just a small headsup...<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve just submitted core kernel-3.1.0-0.rc9.1.mga2 to the buildsystem so it will probably start showing up on the mirrors in ~ 4 - 8 hours.<br>
+<br>
+Have fun...<br></blockquote><div><br>Great!!<br><br>For the ones with Intel gfx cards out there, expect some nice performance improvements for free (<a href="http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/10/03/a-first-post-about-intel-linux-graphics-and-their-friends/">http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/10/03/a-first-post-about-intel-linux-graphics-and-their-friends/</a>) :) <br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+    On 10/08/2011 04:31 AM, Sander Lepik wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACB12REWc5JrYe-JEWGsD8CtU4s3Wd_Sv4qqZHBCw7z435dgdg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p>On Oct 8, 2011 12:50 AM, "Scott Chevalley" &lt;<a
+          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avalon@osguru.org">avalon@osguru.org</a>&gt;
+        wrote:<br>
+        &gt; I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed.
+         I went and looked and<br>
+        &gt; the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old
+        partition I used to<br>
+        &gt; have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition.  <br>
+      </p>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACB12REWc5JrYe-JEWGsD8CtU4s3Wd_Sv4qqZHBCw7z435dgdg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p>Maybe Mageia is using both swaps? And because of that just uses
+        the older one in grub?</p>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Does a swap partition with the old UUID still exist ?  If so, then
+    Sander is right.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    On 10/08/2011 04:31 AM, Sander Lepik wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACB12REWc5JrYe-JEWGsD8CtU4s3Wd_Sv4qqZHBCw7z435dgdg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p>On Oct 8, 2011 12:50 AM, "Scott Chevalley" &lt;<a
+          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avalon@osguru.org">avalon@osguru.org</a>&gt;
+        wrote:<br>
+        &gt; I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed.
+         I went and looked and<br>
+        &gt; the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old
+        partition I used to<br>
+        &gt; have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition.  <br>
+      </p>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACB12REWc5JrYe-JEWGsD8CtU4s3Wd_Sv4qqZHBCw7z435dgdg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p>Maybe Mageia is using both swaps? And because of that just uses
+        the older one in grub?</p>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Does a swap partition with the old UUID still exist ?  If so, then
+    Sander is right.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p>On Oct 8, 2011 12:50 AM, &quot;Scott Chevalley&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:avalon@osguru.org">avalon@osguru.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; About a month ago I transisitioned from Mandriva Cooker over to Mageia Cauldron,<br>
+&gt; basically by creating another partition and doing a clean install of Mageia on<br>
+&gt; it, but mounting my old boot and home partitions.  I&#39;ve noticed something<br>
+&gt; strange and would like to know how to fix it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed.  I went and looked and<br>
+&gt; the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old partition I used to<br>
+&gt; have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition.  I&#39;m wondering what is<br>
+&gt; putting that in there and where is it getting if from.  It&#39;s annoying having to<br>
+&gt; go edit the grub menu.lst file after installing a kernel to fix that line.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Scott<br></p>
+<p>Maybe Mageia is using both swaps? And because of that just uses the older one in grub?</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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+<p>On Oct 8, 2011 12:50 AM, &quot;Scott Chevalley&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:avalon@osguru.org">avalon@osguru.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; About a month ago I transisitioned from Mandriva Cooker over to Mageia Cauldron,<br>
+&gt; basically by creating another partition and doing a clean install of Mageia on<br>
+&gt; it, but mounting my old boot and home partitions.  I&#39;ve noticed something<br>
+&gt; strange and would like to know how to fix it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I just updated and the new kernels (3.0.6) got installed.  I went and looked and<br>
+&gt; the UUID for the resume/swap partition is that of an old partition I used to<br>
+&gt; have and is not the current UUID of my swap partition.  I&#39;m wondering what is<br>
+&gt; putting that in there and where is it getting if from.  It&#39;s annoying having to<br>
+&gt; go edit the grub menu.lst file after installing a kernel to fix that line.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Scott<br></p>
+<p>Maybe Mageia is using both swaps? And because of that just uses the older one in grub?</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Maybe a provides line to allow this to install<br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Enviado: </b>martes 11 de octubre de 2011 09:04:08 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64<br><br></div>Am 11.10.2011 09:51, schrieb Robert Fox:<br>> I can't seem to get TeamViewer to install:<br>><br>> [oot@ThinkFox Downloads]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm<br>> A requested package cannot be installed:<br>> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))<br>> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage<br>> No package named libXdamage<br>> The following packages contain libXdamage: libxdamage-devel,<br>> libxdamage-static-devel, libxdamage1<br>> You should use "-a" to use all of them<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage1<br>> Package libxdamage1-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586 is already installed<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# updatedb<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# locate libXdamage<br>> /usr/lib/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1<br>> /usr/lib/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1.1.0<br>> /usr/lib64/<a href="libXdamage.la">libXdamage.la</a><br>> /usr/lib64/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a><br>> /usr/lib64/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1<br>> /usr/lib64/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1.1.0<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]#<br>><br>> Any help would be appreciated.<br>><br>> Cheers,<br>> R.Fox<br>><br>><br>><br>Simply install it with urpmi --allow-force --allow-nodeps as it will always ask <br>you for that<br>dependency and you can't satisfy it because the provide of our package is slightly<br>different. These are the provides of our libXdamage:<br><br>    [doktor5000@mageia1 ~]$ rpm -q --provides libxdamage1<br>    libxdamage = 1.1.3<br>    <a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1<br>    libxdamage1 = 1.1.3-1.mga1<br>    libxdamage1(x86-32) = 1.1.3-1.mga1<br><br>You see, libxdamage*1*(x86-32) != libXdamage(x86-32)<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Maybe a provides line to allow this to install<br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Enviado: </b>martes 11 de octubre de 2011 09:04:08 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] TeamViewer under Cauldron x86_64<br><br></div>Am 11.10.2011 09:51, schrieb Robert Fox:<br>> I can't seem to get TeamViewer to install:<br>><br>> [oot@ThinkFox Downloads]# urpmi teamviewer_linux.rpm<br>> A requested package cannot be installed:<br>> teamviewer6-6.0.9258-1.i386 (due to unsatisfied libXdamage(x86-32))<br>> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage<br>> No package named libXdamage<br>> The following packages contain libXdamage: libxdamage-devel,<br>> libxdamage-static-devel, libxdamage1<br>> You should use "-a" to use all of them<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# urpmi libXdamage1<br>> Package libxdamage1-1.1.3-1.mga1.i586 is already installed<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# rpm -qa | grep libXdamage<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# updatedb<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]# locate libXdamage<br>> /usr/lib/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1<br>> /usr/lib/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1.1.0<br>> /usr/lib64/<a href="libXdamage.la">libXdamage.la</a><br>> /usr/lib64/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a><br>> /usr/lib64/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1<br>> /usr/lib64/<a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1.1.0<br>> [root@ThinkFox Downloads]#<br>><br>> Any help would be appreciated.<br>><br>> Cheers,<br>> R.Fox<br>><br>><br>><br>Simply install it with urpmi --allow-force --allow-nodeps as it will always ask <br>you for that<br>dependency and you can't satisfy it because the provide of our package is slightly<br>different. These are the provides of our libXdamage:<br><br>    [doktor5000@mageia1 ~]$ rpm -q --provides libxdamage1<br>    libxdamage = 1.1.3<br>    <a href="libXdamage.so">libXdamage.so</a>.1<br>    libxdamage1 = 1.1.3-1.mga1<br>    libxdamage1(x86-32) = 1.1.3-1.mga1<br><br>You see, libxdamage*1*(x86-32) != libXdamage(x86-32)<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+Hello!<br><br>The package Lazarus in Cauldron only works on gtk2. For working with qt<br>is neccesary to change the line of the file spec &#39;export LCL_PLATFORM=gtk2&#39;<br>to &#39;export LCL_PLATFORM=qt&#39;.<br><br>Find an example of file spec here:<br>
+<a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</a><br>
+<br>Afterwards, do what it is shown on the section &quot;Quick start guide for Linux&quot;<br>of the website:<br><a href="http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface">http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface</a><br>
+<br>Which says:<br>   - To visit: <a href="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html</a><br>   - To download: <a href="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz</a><br>
+   - To unpack: bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz<br>   - To copy files to /usr/lib<br><br>Lazarus QT is neccessary to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Joaquin.<br>
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+Hello!<br><br>The package Lazarus in Cauldron only works on gtk2. For working with qt<br>is neccesary to change the line of the file spec &#39;export LCL_PLATFORM=gtk2&#39;<br>to &#39;export LCL_PLATFORM=qt&#39;.<br><br>Find an example of file spec here:<br>
+<a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</a><br>
+<br>Afterwards, do what it is shown on the section &quot;Quick start guide for Linux&quot;<br>of the website:<br><a href="http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface">http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface</a><br>
+<br>Which says:<br>   - To visit: <a href="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html</a><br>   - To download: <a href="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz</a><br>
+   - To unpack: bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz<br>   - To copy files to /usr/lib<br><br>Lazarus QT is neccessary to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Joaquin.<br>
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+Hello,
+
+I send an ultimate distress signal about this :
+https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712
+
+Once again I am having this bug that can occur on any WPA hotspot my laptops
+can connect to. But now, I cannot work in my development environment for
+more than one day because he refuses connect me to the hotspot I need to
+connect to.
+
+Since I got no answer since I opened the bug, as asked previously in this
+ML, I now cry for help about this. This seriously affects the work I have to
+complete everyday (I know I have the printer thing as well to answer and
+solve) and I just cannot do anything about this except really endangering my
+laptop currently, in the absence of progress concerning this extremely
+annoying bug.
+
+Tell me what I should do, I shall answer you very quickly and give the
+answers I am able to fetch if you tell me what is precisely needed.
+
+Thank you very much by advance.
+
+Thomas aka Skiper.
+
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+Hello,&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I send an ultimate distress signal about this :=
+=A0&lt;a href=3D&quot;https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2712&quot;&gt;https://bugs.=
+mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2712&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Once again I=
+ am having this bug that can occur on any WPA hotspot my laptops can connec=
+t to. But now, I cannot work in my=A0development=A0environment for more tha=
+n one day because he refuses connect me to the hotspot I need to connect to=
+.=A0&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Since I got no answer since I opened the bug, as asked =
+previously in this ML, I now cry for help about this. This seriously affect=
+s the work I have to complete everyday (I know I have the printer thing as =
+well to answer and solve) and I just cannot do anything about this except r=
+eally endangering my laptop currently, in the absence of progress concernin=
+g this extremely annoying bug.=A0&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Tell me what I should do, I shall answer you very quick=
+ly and give the answers I am able to fetch if you tell me what is precisely=
+ needed.=A0&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Thank you very much by advance.=A0&lt;/di=
+v&gt;
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+Hello,
+
+I send an ultimate distress signal about this :
+https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712
+
+Once again I am having this bug that can occur on any WPA hotspot my laptops
+can connect to. But now, I cannot work in my development environment for
+more than one day because he refuses connect me to the hotspot I need to
+connect to.
+
+Since I got no answer since I opened the bug, as asked previously in this
+ML, I now cry for help about this. This seriously affects the work I have to
+complete everyday (I know I have the printer thing as well to answer and
+solve) and I just cannot do anything about this except really endangering my
+laptop currently, in the absence of progress concerning this extremely
+annoying bug.
+
+Tell me what I should do, I shall answer you very quickly and give the
+answers I am able to fetch if you tell me what is precisely needed.
+
+Thank you very much by advance.
+
+Thomas aka Skiper.
+
+--20cf303f6a2487545d04af15a2b2
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+Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+
+Hello,&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I send an ultimate distress signal about this :=
+=A0&lt;a href=3D&quot;https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2712&quot;&gt;https://bugs.=
+mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2712&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Once again I=
+ am having this bug that can occur on any WPA hotspot my laptops can connec=
+t to. But now, I cannot work in my=A0development=A0environment for more tha=
+n one day because he refuses connect me to the hotspot I need to connect to=
+.=A0&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Since I got no answer since I opened the bug, as asked =
+previously in this ML, I now cry for help about this. This seriously affect=
+s the work I have to complete everyday (I know I have the printer thing as =
+well to answer and solve) and I just cannot do anything about this except r=
+eally endangering my laptop currently, in the absence of progress concernin=
+g this extremely annoying bug.=A0&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Tell me what I should do, I shall answer you very quick=
+ly and give the answers I am able to fetch if you tell me what is precisely=
+ needed.=A0&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Thank you very much by advance.=A0&lt;/di=
+v&gt;
+&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Thomas aka Skiper.=A0&lt;/div&gt;&lt;meta http-equiv=3D&quot;content-=
+type&quot; content=3D&quot;text/html; charset=3Dutf-8&quot;&gt;
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/12 andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+The package Lazarus in Cauldron only works on gtk2. For working with qt<br>
+is neccesary to change the line of the file spec &#39;export LCL_PLATFORM=gtk2&#39;<br>
+to &#39;export LCL_PLATFORM=qt&#39;.<br>
+<br>
+Find an example of file spec here:<br>
+</div><a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947" target="_blank">https://build.opensuse.org/<u></u>package/view_file?file=<u></u>lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=<u></u>lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%<u></u>3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=<u></u>b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a09<u></u>47</a> &lt;<a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947" target="_blank">https://build.opensuse.org/<u></u>package/view_file?file=<u></u>lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=<u></u>lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%<u></u>3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=<u></u>b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a09<u></u>47</a>&gt;<div class="im">
+<br>
+<br>
+Afterwards, do what it is shown on the section &quot;Quick start guide for Linux&quot;<br>
+of the website:<br>
+<a href="http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface" target="_blank">http://wiki.lazarus.<u></u>freepascal.org/Qt_Interface</a><br>
+<br>
+Which says:<br>
+   - To visit: <a href="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html" target="_blank">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.<u></u>Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.<u></u>html</a><br>
+   - To download: <a href="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz" target="_blank">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.<u></u>Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-<u></u>qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz</a><br>
+
+   - To unpack: bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz<br>
+   - To copy files to /usr/lib<br>
+<br>
+Lazarus QT is neccessary to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Joaquin.<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">You&#39;re suggesting to make a companion package that works with QT ?<br>
+</blockquote><div>Yes, it&#39;s necessary (for example) to pack Double Commander 0.5.1. <br><a href="http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/">http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/</a><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Or removing the gtk2 version?<br></blockquote><div>No, in OpenSuse exists both versions.<br><br>lazarus-qt:<br><a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</a><br>
+<br>lazarus:<br><a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus.spec&amp;package=lazarus&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=81e9d884632483ac9e97498d4d12b567">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus.spec&amp;package=lazarus&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=81e9d884632483ac9e97498d4d12b567</a><br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/12 andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+The package Lazarus in Cauldron only works on gtk2. For working with qt<br>
+is neccesary to change the line of the file spec &#39;export LCL_PLATFORM=gtk2&#39;<br>
+to &#39;export LCL_PLATFORM=qt&#39;.<br>
+<br>
+Find an example of file spec here:<br>
+</div><a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947" target="_blank">https://build.opensuse.org/<u></u>package/view_file?file=<u></u>lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=<u></u>lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%<u></u>3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=<u></u>b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a09<u></u>47</a> &lt;<a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947" target="_blank">https://build.opensuse.org/<u></u>package/view_file?file=<u></u>lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=<u></u>lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%<u></u>3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=<u></u>b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a09<u></u>47</a>&gt;<div class="im">
+<br>
+<br>
+Afterwards, do what it is shown on the section &quot;Quick start guide for Linux&quot;<br>
+of the website:<br>
+<a href="http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Qt_Interface" target="_blank">http://wiki.lazarus.<u></u>freepascal.org/Qt_Interface</a><br>
+<br>
+Which says:<br>
+   - To visit: <a href="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.html" target="_blank">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.<u></u>Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/fpcqt4.<u></u>html</a><br>
+   - To download: <a href="http://users.telenet.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz" target="_blank">http://users.telenet.be/Jan.<u></u>Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/V2.4/bin-<u></u>qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz</a><br>
+
+   - To unpack: bin-qt4pas-V2.4_Qt4.5.3.tar.gz<br>
+   - To copy files to /usr/lib<br>
+<br>
+Lazarus QT is neccessary to pack Double Commander 0.5.1.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Joaquin.<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">You&#39;re suggesting to make a companion package that works with QT ?<br>
+</blockquote><div>Yes, it&#39;s necessary (for example) to pack Double Commander 0.5.1. <br><a href="http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/">http://doublecmd.sourceforge.net/</a><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Or removing the gtk2 version?<br></blockquote><div>No, in OpenSuse exists both versions.<br><br>lazarus-qt:<br><a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus-qt.spec&amp;package=lazarus-qt&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=b56e9b13184ee7e052da6b0a562a0947</a><br>
+<br>lazarus:<br><a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus.spec&amp;package=lazarus&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=81e9d884632483ac9e97498d4d12b567">https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lazarus.spec&amp;package=lazarus&amp;project=home%3Aenzokiel&amp;srcmd5=81e9d884632483ac9e97498d4d12b567</a><br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+    Op 14-10-11 08:51, Remco Rijnders schreef:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:IS.|mn@r78.nl" type="cite">On Fri, Oct 14,
+      2011 at 02:26:16AM -0400, andre999 wrote in
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:4E97D608.2040600@laposte.net">&lt;4E97D608.2040600@laposte.net&gt;</a>:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">You-Cheng Hsieh a &eacute;crit :
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite">Is it possible to add a mailing list to
+          bug CC list?
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      At the moment such changes require action by the sysadm team.
+      Perhaps it would be possible to allow the bugsquad team leader to
+      carry out this action?
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Regards,
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Remco
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Hi Remco,<br>
+    <br>
+    That wouldn't help, we have a Team council representative (he would
+    undoubtedly be willing to do this), but we don't have team leader.
+    Maybe you'd like to reconsider becoming team leader of the Bug
+    Squad?<br>
+    <br>
+    <h3><a name="contact_join_the_team" id="contact_join_the_team">Contact/join
+        the team</a></h3>
+    <div class="level3">
+      <ul>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> By subscribing to the <a
+              href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad"
+              class="urlextern"
+              title="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad"
+              rel="nofollow">mageia-bugsquad</a> mailing list</div>
+        </li>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> By joining the <a
+              href="irc://irc.freenode.net/#mageia-bugsquad"
+              class="urlextern"
+              title="irc://irc.freenode.net/#mageia-bugsquad"
+              rel="nofollow">#mageia-bugsquad</a> <acronym
+              title="Internet Relay Chat">IRC</acronym> channel on
+            Freenode</div>
+        </li>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> Team contact: Marja van Waes (marja)</div>
+        </li>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> Team leaders: ?</div>
+        </li>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> Team <a
+              href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council"
+              class="wikilink1" title="org:council">council</a>
+            representative: Manuel Hiebel (leuhmanu)</div>
+        </li>
+      </ul>
+    </div>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    Op 14-10-11 08:51, Remco Rijnders schreef:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:IS.|mn@r78.nl" type="cite">On Fri, Oct 14,
+      2011 at 02:26:16AM -0400, andre999 wrote in
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:4E97D608.2040600@laposte.net">&lt;4E97D608.2040600@laposte.net&gt;</a>:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">You-Cheng Hsieh a &eacute;crit :
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite">Is it possible to add a mailing list to
+          bug CC list?
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      At the moment such changes require action by the sysadm team.
+      Perhaps it would be possible to allow the bugsquad team leader to
+      carry out this action?
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Regards,
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Remco
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Hi Remco,<br>
+    <br>
+    That wouldn't help, we have a Team council representative (he would
+    undoubtedly be willing to do this), but we don't have team leader.
+    Maybe you'd like to reconsider becoming team leader of the Bug
+    Squad?<br>
+    <br>
+    <h3><a name="contact_join_the_team" id="contact_join_the_team">Contact/join
+        the team</a></h3>
+    <div class="level3">
+      <ul>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> By subscribing to the <a
+              href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad"
+              class="urlextern"
+              title="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad"
+              rel="nofollow">mageia-bugsquad</a> mailing list</div>
+        </li>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> By joining the <a
+              href="irc://irc.freenode.net/#mageia-bugsquad"
+              class="urlextern"
+              title="irc://irc.freenode.net/#mageia-bugsquad"
+              rel="nofollow">#mageia-bugsquad</a> <acronym
+              title="Internet Relay Chat">IRC</acronym> channel on
+            Freenode</div>
+        </li>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> Team contact: Marja van Waes (marja)</div>
+        </li>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> Team leaders: ?</div>
+        </li>
+        <li class="level1">
+          <div class="li"> Team <a
+              href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council"
+              class="wikilink1" title="org:council">council</a>
+            representative: Manuel Hiebel (leuhmanu)</div>
+        </li>
+      </ul>
+    </div>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hi all,<br>we have libfaac already packaged <br><br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br><br>It&#39;s a <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">dependence</span> <span class="hps">of</span> <span class="hps">cinelerra</span></span><br>
+<br>Cheers<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/17 Joaquin Mandriva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joaquinmandriva@gmail.com">joaquinmandriva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+This package is in:<br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</a><br>
+<br>You can find a list with this package and much more in:<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>Regards.<div>
+<div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+andre999 a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div>&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/</a>&gt;  team. I am<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can&#39;t correctly handle files containing aac<br>
+&gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.<br>
+&gt;&gt; And that&#39;s really missing !!!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; They can&#39;t and won&#39;t be backported to Mageia1 official repos...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp;  tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen<br>
+&gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or<br>
+&gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with<br>
+&gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn&#39;t be too much difficult and wouldn&#39;t bring much<br>
+&gt;&gt; compatibility problems<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version<br>
+&gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core<br>
+&gt;&gt; release)<br>
+&gt;&gt; and wouldn&#39;t prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if<br>
+&gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But... there&#39;s the :<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But too there wouldn&#39;t exist QA for them<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --<br>
+&gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,<br>
+&gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted<br>
+&gt; parts, so that either<br>
+&gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or<br>
+&gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,<br>
+&gt; each in their respective current repos.<br>
+&gt; Which won&#39;t work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree<br>
+&gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been<br>
+built without faac-devel and don&#39;t require faac which is both tainted<br>
+and non-free  :-(<br>
+If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and<br>
+stay tainted ... (they can&#39;t be splitted in parts)<br>
+it&#39;s true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some<br>
+others (the list is in the bug report<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a>)<br>
+ it&#39;s an aporia !<br>
+I don&#39;t want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia&#39;s repos !<br>
+only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I<br>
+think I&#39;m not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia<br>
+files on internet.<br>
+plf allowed that for Mandriva ...<br>
+no third repo allows this for Mageia<br>
+If I&#39;m alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to<br>
+modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba  ... that&#39;s all folks! )<br>
+If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they<br>
+better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi<br>
+official third repos for this problem...<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my 2 cents :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+my 2 λεπτες<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi all,<br>we have libfaac already packaged <br><br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br><br>It&#39;s a <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">dependence</span> <span class="hps">of</span> <span class="hps">cinelerra</span></span><br>
+<br>Cheers<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/17 Joaquin Mandriva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joaquinmandriva@gmail.com">joaquinmandriva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+This package is in:<br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</a><br>
+<br>You can find a list with this package and much more in:<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>Regards.<div>
+<div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+andre999 a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div>&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/</a>&gt;  team. I am<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can&#39;t correctly handle files containing aac<br>
+&gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.<br>
+&gt;&gt; And that&#39;s really missing !!!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; They can&#39;t and won&#39;t be backported to Mageia1 official repos...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp;  tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen<br>
+&gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or<br>
+&gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with<br>
+&gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn&#39;t be too much difficult and wouldn&#39;t bring much<br>
+&gt;&gt; compatibility problems<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version<br>
+&gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core<br>
+&gt;&gt; release)<br>
+&gt;&gt; and wouldn&#39;t prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if<br>
+&gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But... there&#39;s the :<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But too there wouldn&#39;t exist QA for them<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --<br>
+&gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,<br>
+&gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted<br>
+&gt; parts, so that either<br>
+&gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or<br>
+&gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,<br>
+&gt; each in their respective current repos.<br>
+&gt; Which won&#39;t work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree<br>
+&gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been<br>
+built without faac-devel and don&#39;t require faac which is both tainted<br>
+and non-free  :-(<br>
+If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and<br>
+stay tainted ... (they can&#39;t be splitted in parts)<br>
+it&#39;s true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some<br>
+others (the list is in the bug report<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a>)<br>
+ it&#39;s an aporia !<br>
+I don&#39;t want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia&#39;s repos !<br>
+only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I<br>
+think I&#39;m not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia<br>
+files on internet.<br>
+plf allowed that for Mandriva ...<br>
+no third repo allows this for Mageia<br>
+If I&#39;m alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to<br>
+modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba  ... that&#39;s all folks! )<br>
+If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they<br>
+better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi<br>
+official third repos for this problem...<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my 2 cents :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+my 2 λεπτες<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 16/10/2011 22:33, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:201110161333.06594.thomas@btspuhler.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Sunday, October 16, 2011 04:05:52 am Giuseppe Ghib&ograve; wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">On 26/09/2011 17:34, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre wrap="">On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</pre>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <pre wrap="">On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</pre>
+            <blockquote type="cite">
+              <pre wrap="">But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</pre>
+            </blockquote>
+            <pre wrap="">
+I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</pre>
+          </blockquote>
+          <pre wrap="">
+My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap="">
+It's not like this. The misalignment in having multiple versions comes
+from having different source of packages. tetex had it's own texi2html
+(so I guess texlive), which is certified and well QA and integrated with
+that tetex version, so it provides "texi2html". At a certain point newer
+versions of texi2html were placed in contrib because they were newer
+(there were also other packages in this situation, xdvi, prosper, etc.)
+and because of not touching the main tetex package. To handle this kind
+of misalignment a good way to proceed would be to go in the main package
+providing it (i.e. tetex/texlive) and try to merge the newer texi2html
+with the new one, then redoing the tests. This often doesn't happen
+because it takes a lot of amount of time, and require to handle with the
+main and bigger package (texlive/tetex), and people often don't do this
+if they are doing "snack packaging".
+
+The other way, which is to transform everything as "pluggable" (e.g.
+split packages at source, so for instance not having tetex providing
+texi2html) IMHO doesn't provide the same amount of certification,
+because the packager (packager not necessarely means the maintainer)
+just upgrade the version number, without taking care of re-testing, and
+in case he doesn't know in deep about that package what he does as side
+effect is to give away the upstream tetex/texlive certification
+(certification that the included, so older, texi2html package works well
+and has no flaws with the rest of the tetex/texlive distro) in favour of
+a newer version (hoping that if something goes wrong or of some bug some
+end-user would file a bug on bugzilla...).
+
+Bye.
+G.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">Thanks for the explanation. 
+It seems you are pretty versed in texlive. Would you mind to look as why 
+muscore doesn't build anymore with the current texlive:
+Font metrics written on mscore1-20.tfm.
+Output written on mscore1-20.600gf (18 characters, 7172 bytes).
+Transcript written on mscore1-20.log.
+This is MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(../mf2pt1.mp (/usr/share/texmf-dist/metapost/base/mfplain.mp
+Preloading the plain base, version 0.99: preliminaries,
+ basic constants and mathematical macros,
+ macros for converting units,
+ macros and tables for various modes of operation,
+ macros for drawing and filling,
+ macros for proof labels and rules,
+ macros for character and font administration,
+and a few last-minute items.))
+Transcript written on mf2pt1.log.
+Invoking "mpost -mem=mf2pt1 -progname=mpost '\mode:=localfont; mag:=100; 
+bpppix 0.02; input feta20.mf'"...
+
+Sorry, I can't find the 'mf2pt1' preload file; will try 'plain'.This is 
+MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(plain.mp
+
+It lloks as if mf2pt1 is missing, The script is available on it's own, put old 
+texlive and tetex didn't show this problem. 
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I've not an installation with the package you are talking about
+    handy to check myself, but you may try to add the following line to
+    the file `kpsewhich fmtutil.cnf` (backtick included):<br>
+    <br>
+    mpost&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mf2pt1 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
+    -translate-file=cp227.tcx mf2pt1.mp<br>
+    <br>
+    (of course the file mf2pt1.mp should be provided somewhere [it's in
+    CTAN:<cite>tex-archive/support/<b>mf2pt1</b></cite><span class="std">]</span>),
+    and then recreate the missed file with: fmtutil --missing (or
+    --all).<br>
+    <br>
+    Bye<br>
+    Giuseppe.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 16/10/2011 22:33, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:201110161333.06594.thomas@btspuhler.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Sunday, October 16, 2011 04:05:52 am Giuseppe Ghib&ograve; wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">On 26/09/2011 17:34, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre wrap="">On 26.09.2011 15:47, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</pre>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <pre wrap="">On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</pre>
+            <blockquote type="cite">
+              <pre wrap="">But are you sure about texlive providing it?
+</pre>
+            </blockquote>
+            <pre wrap="">
+I don't know. It looks like it's not in the texlive package.
+</pre>
+          </blockquote>
+          <pre wrap="">
+My impression (from a few years back I think) is that standalone
+texi2html is the texlive-era replacement for tetex-texi2html.
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap="">
+It's not like this. The misalignment in having multiple versions comes
+from having different source of packages. tetex had it's own texi2html
+(so I guess texlive), which is certified and well QA and integrated with
+that tetex version, so it provides "texi2html". At a certain point newer
+versions of texi2html were placed in contrib because they were newer
+(there were also other packages in this situation, xdvi, prosper, etc.)
+and because of not touching the main tetex package. To handle this kind
+of misalignment a good way to proceed would be to go in the main package
+providing it (i.e. tetex/texlive) and try to merge the newer texi2html
+with the new one, then redoing the tests. This often doesn't happen
+because it takes a lot of amount of time, and require to handle with the
+main and bigger package (texlive/tetex), and people often don't do this
+if they are doing "snack packaging".
+
+The other way, which is to transform everything as "pluggable" (e.g.
+split packages at source, so for instance not having tetex providing
+texi2html) IMHO doesn't provide the same amount of certification,
+because the packager (packager not necessarely means the maintainer)
+just upgrade the version number, without taking care of re-testing, and
+in case he doesn't know in deep about that package what he does as side
+effect is to give away the upstream tetex/texlive certification
+(certification that the included, so older, texi2html package works well
+and has no flaws with the rest of the tetex/texlive distro) in favour of
+a newer version (hoping that if something goes wrong or of some bug some
+end-user would file a bug on bugzilla...).
+
+Bye.
+G.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">Thanks for the explanation. 
+It seems you are pretty versed in texlive. Would you mind to look as why 
+muscore doesn't build anymore with the current texlive:
+Font metrics written on mscore1-20.tfm.
+Output written on mscore1-20.600gf (18 characters, 7172 bytes).
+Transcript written on mscore1-20.log.
+This is MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(../mf2pt1.mp (/usr/share/texmf-dist/metapost/base/mfplain.mp
+Preloading the plain base, version 0.99: preliminaries,
+ basic constants and mathematical macros,
+ macros for converting units,
+ macros and tables for various modes of operation,
+ macros for drawing and filling,
+ macros for proof labels and rules,
+ macros for character and font administration,
+and a few last-minute items.))
+Transcript written on mf2pt1.log.
+Invoking "mpost -mem=mf2pt1 -progname=mpost '\mode:=localfont; mag:=100; 
+bpppix 0.02; input feta20.mf'"...
+
+Sorry, I can't find the 'mf2pt1' preload file; will try 'plain'.This is 
+MetaPost, version 1.504 (kpathsea version 6.0.1)
+(plain.mp
+
+It lloks as if mf2pt1 is missing, The script is available on it's own, put old 
+texlive and tetex didn't show this problem. 
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I've not an installation with the package you are talking about
+    handy to check myself, but you may try to add the following line to
+    the file `kpsewhich fmtutil.cnf` (backtick included):<br>
+    <br>
+    mpost&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mf2pt1 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
+    -translate-file=cp227.tcx mf2pt1.mp<br>
+    <br>
+    (of course the file mf2pt1.mp should be provided somewhere [it's in
+    CTAN:<cite>tex-archive/support/<b>mf2pt1</b></cite><span class="std">]</span>),
+    and then recreate the missed file with: fmtutil --missing (or
+    --all).<br>
+    <br>
+    Bye<br>
+    Giuseppe.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+This package is in:<br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</a><br>
+<br>You can find a list with this package and much more in:<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>Regards.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+andre999 a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/</a>&gt;  team. I am<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can&#39;t correctly handle files containing aac<br>
+&gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.<br>
+&gt;&gt; And that&#39;s really missing !!!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; They can&#39;t and won&#39;t be backported to Mageia1 official repos...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp;  tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen<br>
+&gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or<br>
+&gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with<br>
+&gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn&#39;t be too much difficult and wouldn&#39;t bring much<br>
+&gt;&gt; compatibility problems<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version<br>
+&gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core<br>
+&gt;&gt; release)<br>
+&gt;&gt; and wouldn&#39;t prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if<br>
+&gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But... there&#39;s the :<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But too there wouldn&#39;t exist QA for them<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --<br>
+&gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,<br>
+&gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted<br>
+&gt; parts, so that either<br>
+&gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or<br>
+&gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,<br>
+&gt; each in their respective current repos.<br>
+&gt; Which won&#39;t work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree<br>
+&gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been<br>
+built without faac-devel and don&#39;t require faac which is both tainted<br>
+and non-free  :-(<br>
+If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and<br>
+stay tainted ... (they can&#39;t be splitted in parts)<br>
+it&#39;s true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some<br>
+others (the list is in the bug report<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a>)<br>
+ it&#39;s an aporia !<br>
+I don&#39;t want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia&#39;s repos !<br>
+only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I<br>
+think I&#39;m not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia<br>
+files on internet.<br>
+plf allowed that for Mandriva ...<br>
+no third repo allows this for Mageia<br>
+If I&#39;m alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to<br>
+modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba  ... that&#39;s all folks! )<br>
+If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they<br>
+better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi<br>
+official third repos for this problem...<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my 2 cents :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+my 2 λεπτες<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+This package is in:<br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/SRPMS/faac-1.28-1bdk.mga1.src.rpm</a><br>
+<br>You can find a list with this package and much more in:<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>Regards.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/10/17 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+andre999 a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Philippe DIDIER a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Joaquin Mandriva a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/</a>&gt;  team. I am<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; repositories.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this way:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks to you...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; nevertheless I could surf through your repos :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Some of the rpms you propose reply to rpm requests already done or that<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I was going to write (reading my thoughts ?)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I was thinking about a workaround to the problem of &quot;non-free_&amp;_tainted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rpms in Mageia<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some multimedia programs can&#39;t correctly handle files containing aac<br>
+&gt;&gt; sound (*.aac *.mp4 *.m4a) because faac and faac-devel are not provided.<br>
+&gt;&gt; And that&#39;s really missing !!!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; They can&#39;t and won&#39;t be backported to Mageia1 official repos...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Perhaps a new &quot;non-free&amp;  tainted&quot; repo will exist for Mageia2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Actually for Mageia1 Blogdrake might provide a third repo for this dozen<br>
+&gt;&gt; of srpms (even if the existence of third repo is not riskless)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Picking their last spec file from Mageia, and modifying the plf or<br>
+&gt;&gt; tainted conditionnal building options to allow building with<br>
+&gt;&gt; faac-devel... wouldn&#39;t be too much difficult and wouldn&#39;t bring much<br>
+&gt;&gt; compatibility problems<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If the version number is the same as in mageia repos, a &quot;twisted&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt; distsuffix would allow to &quot;update&quot; to them from core or tainted version<br>
+&gt;&gt; (the same way as &quot;tainted&quot; distsuffix allows to update from a core<br>
+&gt;&gt; release)<br>
+&gt;&gt; and wouldn&#39;t prevent to update to a core or tainted new version later if<br>
+&gt;&gt; provided in official updates repo<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But... there&#39;s the :<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; would it add other problems to this ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; But too there wouldn&#39;t exist QA for them<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think (on Mageia side and on Blogdrake side) ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A personal POV from the Mageia side --<br>
+&gt; It could be a good way to evaluate the need for a Nonfree+Tainted repo,<br>
+&gt; as well as providing a ready source for those interested in such packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe another approach could be to try to separate nonfree and tainted<br>
+&gt; parts, so that either<br>
+&gt; - nonfree packages could optionally use &quot;tainted&quot; packages if installed, or<br>
+&gt; - &quot;tainted&quot; packages could optionally use nonfree packages if installed,<br>
+&gt; each in their respective current repos.<br>
+&gt; Which won&#39;t work if a particular component is necessarily both nonfree<br>
+&gt; and &quot;tainted&quot;.<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s the problem : we have already tainted packages ... they have been<br>
+built without faac-devel and don&#39;t require faac which is both tainted<br>
+and non-free  :-(<br>
+If they are built with faac the binaries become non-free (not LGPL) and<br>
+stay tainted ... (they can&#39;t be splitted in parts)<br>
+it&#39;s true for avidemux, mencoder, handbrake, audiokonverter, and some<br>
+others (the list is in the bug report<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</a>)<br>
+ it&#39;s an aporia !<br>
+I don&#39;t want to argue again about the decision for the Mageia&#39;s repos !<br>
+only need to find a way to get working binaries for my purpose... and I<br>
+think I&#39;m not alone to have to work with a quasi standard for multimedia<br>
+files on internet.<br>
+plf allowed that for Mandriva ...<br>
+no third repo allows this for Mageia<br>
+If I&#39;m alone, never mind, I know how to build my own (two lines to<br>
+modify in a spec file and =&gt; rpmbuild -ba  ... that&#39;s all folks! )<br>
+If newcomers try Mageia and has to be taught how to build a rpm, they<br>
+better will use debian or fedora or ubuntu or opensuse that have quasi<br>
+official third repos for this problem...<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my 2 cents :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+my 2 λεπτες<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">convert 'file.ico[8]' file.png :</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'Courier New,courier';"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">convert: unable to open image `file.ico[8]': No such file or directory @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2589.</span></p>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">convert: no decode delegate for this image format `file.ico[8]' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/532.</span></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">convert: missing an image filename `file.png' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3016.</span></pre>
+<pre style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'Courier New,courier';"></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">This prevent wine submit as of now : http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111020110738.zezinho.valstar.2548/log/</span></pre>
+<pre style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'Courier New,courier';"></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Does anyone have a clever clue ?</span></pre>
+<pre style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'Courier New,courier';"></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Thanks</span></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">zezinho</span></pre></body></html>
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+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">with the imagemagick of cauldron, this syntax does not work anymore to extract the icon number 8 :</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">convert 'file.ico[8]' file.png :</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'Courier New,courier';"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">convert: unable to open image `file.ico[8]': No such file or directory @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2589.</span></p>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">convert: no decode delegate for this image format `file.ico[8]' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/532.</span></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">convert: missing an image filename `file.png' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3016.</span></pre>
+<pre style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'Courier New,courier';"></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">This prevent wine submit as of now : http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111020110738.zezinho.valstar.2548/log/</span></pre>
+<pre style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'Courier New,courier';"></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Does anyone have a clever clue ?</span></pre>
+<pre style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'Courier New,courier';"></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Thanks</span></pre>
+<pre style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">zezinho</span></pre></body></html>
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+    W dniu 22.10.2011 19:22, Anne nicolas pisze:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACYHsMwRf7G+ei1j=z_+YeP4uF-V_kamDoi52khThWXQT71pcQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi there
+
+As already announced in some mailing-lists, Mageia 2 will be a bit
+delayed in order to follow the major projects. See all the details
+here:
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/10/22/new-planning-for-mageia-2/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/10/22/new-planning-for-mageia-2/</a>
+
+Cheers
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <ul>
+      <li>Alpha 1: 2011 Nov. 16th</li>
+      <li>Alpha 2: 2011 Dec. 14</li>
+      <li>Alpha 3: 2012 Jan. 12</li>
+      <li>Beta 1: 2012 Feb. 21</li>
+      <li>Versions freeze: 2012 Mar. 7</li>
+      <li>Artwork freeze: 2012 Mar. 10</li>
+      <li>i18n freeze: 2012 Mar. 10</li>
+      <li>Beta 2: 2012 Mar. 15</li>
+      <li>Releases freeze: 2012 Apr. 7</li>
+      <li>Development String freeze: 2012 Mar. 7</li>
+    </ul>
+    is 7 Mar. correct?<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>Release Candidate: 2012 Apr. 10</li>
+      <li>Final Release: 2012 May 3</li>
+    </ul>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    W dniu 22.10.2011 19:22, Anne nicolas pisze:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACYHsMwRf7G+ei1j=z_+YeP4uF-V_kamDoi52khThWXQT71pcQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi there
+
+As already announced in some mailing-lists, Mageia 2 will be a bit
+delayed in order to follow the major projects. See all the details
+here:
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/10/22/new-planning-for-mageia-2/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/10/22/new-planning-for-mageia-2/</a>
+
+Cheers
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <ul>
+      <li>Alpha 1: 2011 Nov. 16th</li>
+      <li>Alpha 2: 2011 Dec. 14</li>
+      <li>Alpha 3: 2012 Jan. 12</li>
+      <li>Beta 1: 2012 Feb. 21</li>
+      <li>Versions freeze: 2012 Mar. 7</li>
+      <li>Artwork freeze: 2012 Mar. 10</li>
+      <li>i18n freeze: 2012 Mar. 10</li>
+      <li>Beta 2: 2012 Mar. 15</li>
+      <li>Releases freeze: 2012 Apr. 7</li>
+      <li>Development String freeze: 2012 Mar. 7</li>
+    </ul>
+    is 7 Mar. correct?<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>Release Candidate: 2012 Apr. 10</li>
+      <li>Final Release: 2012 May 3</li>
+    </ul>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Hi,</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">and they answered me that E17 is "rolling release". So no&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">stable release (or vert vert few).&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;
+ ">I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I've started such change, for example on eina, the change is :</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Index: SPECS/eina.spec</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">===================================================================</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">---
+ SPECS/eina.spec &nbsp; &nbsp; (révision 151537)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+++ SPECS/eina.spec &nbsp; &nbsp; (copie de travail)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">@@ -1,14 +1,15 @@</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%define major 1</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+%define svn r64257</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times,
+ serif">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;Summary: Data Type Library</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;Name: eina</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">-Version: 1.0.1</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">-Release: %mkrel 2</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+Version: 1.1.0</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+Release: %mkrel 0.%svn.1</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;License: LGPLv2+</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times,
+ serif">&nbsp;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">-Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name}-%{svn}.tar.bz2</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;URL: http://www.enlightenment.org/</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%description</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">@@ -32,9 +33,10 @@</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new
+ york', times, serif">&nbsp;%{name} development headers and libraries.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%prep</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">-%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+%setup -qn %{name}</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%build</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+sh autogen.sh</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times,
+ serif">&nbsp;%configure2_5x</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%make</font></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">regards,</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">trem</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Hi,</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I've tried to use E17, but it's an old version. I've asked e17 team,</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">and they answered me that E17 is "rolling release". So no&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">stable release (or vert vert few).&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;
+ ">I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I've started such change, for example on eina, the change is :</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Index: SPECS/eina.spec</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">===================================================================</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">---
+ SPECS/eina.spec &nbsp; &nbsp; (révision 151537)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+++ SPECS/eina.spec &nbsp; &nbsp; (copie de travail)</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">@@ -1,14 +1,15 @@</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%define major 1</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+%define svn r64257</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times,
+ serif">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;Summary: Data Type Library</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;Name: eina</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">-Version: 1.0.1</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">-Release: %mkrel 2</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+Version: 1.1.0</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+Release: %mkrel 0.%svn.1</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;License: LGPLv2+</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times,
+ serif">&nbsp;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">-Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name}-%{svn}.tar.bz2</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;URL: http://www.enlightenment.org/</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%description</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">@@ -32,9 +33,10 @@</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new
+ york', times, serif">&nbsp;%{name} development headers and libraries.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%prep</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">-%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+%setup -qn %{name}</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%build</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">+sh autogen.sh</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times,
+ serif">&nbsp;%configure2_5x</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">&nbsp;%make</font></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">regards,</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">trem</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>You're right, the package version isn't very good.</span></div><div><span>I've looked in the file configure.ac, and there is a&nbsp;</span></div><div><span>version: 1.0.999</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>When in svn mode, I propose to use the version</div><div>indicated in configure.ac. Do you agree ?</div><div><br></div><div>About svn export, I'll try if the compilation works</div><div>fine with it. If yes, you're right again, it's far better</div><div>to use it.</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2"
+ face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 16h02<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re :  Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 23.10.2011 14:47, schrieb Philippe Reynes:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.<br>&gt; So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.<br>&gt; But I could use another "version", if people prefers.<br>No, tarballs generated by svn export allow for normal compilation.<br>Just tested for most of the EFL with a current tarball.<br><br>And as we are using the real version for e
+ package itself, i'd prefer<br>to use the same versioning scheme throughout all of EFL.<br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>You're right, the package version isn't very good.</span></div><div><span>I've looked in the file configure.ac, and there is a&nbsp;</span></div><div><span>version: 1.0.999</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>When in svn mode, I propose to use the version</div><div>indicated in configure.ac. Do you agree ?</div><div><br></div><div>About svn export, I'll try if the compilation works</div><div>fine with it. If yes, you're right again, it's far better</div><div>to use it.</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2"
+ face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 16h02<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re :  Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 23.10.2011 14:47, schrieb Philippe Reynes:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.<br>&gt; So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.<br>&gt; But I could use another "version", if people prefers.<br>No, tarballs generated by svn export allow for normal compilation.<br>Just tested for most of the EFL with a current tarball.<br><br>And as we are using the real version for e
+ package itself, i'd prefer<br>to use the same versioning scheme throughout all of EFL.<br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>In fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.</span></div><div><span>So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.</span></div><div>But I could use another "version", if people prefers.</div><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list
+ &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 14h31<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 23.10.2011 14:18, schrieb Philippe Reynes:<br>&gt; Thanks for this feedback,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; here the new eina.spec with all feedbacks :<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec<br>&gt; ===================================================================<br>&gt; --- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (révision 157379)<br>&gt; +++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (copie de travail)<br>&gt; @@ -1,18 +1,32 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp; %define major 1<br>&gt;&nbsp; %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&gt;&nbsp; %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d<br>&gt; +%define svn r64324<br>&gt; +%define rel 1<br>&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt; +%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel<br>&gt; +%else<br>&gt;
+ +%define release %mkrel %rel<br>&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp; Summary: Data Type Library<br>&gt;&nbsp; Name: eina<br>&gt; -Version: 1.0.1<br>&gt; -Release: %mkrel 2<br>&gt; +Version: 1.1.0<br>&gt; +Release: %{release}<br>&gt;&nbsp; License: LGPLv2+<br>&gt;&nbsp; Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>&gt; -Source: <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%</a>{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>&gt; -URL: <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/" target="_blank">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a><br>&gt; +# creating archive is quite simple:<br>&gt; +# svn co <a href="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina" target="_blank">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina</a> eina<br>&gt; +# tar cJf eina-r&lt;svnrevision&gt;.tar.xz eina<br>&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt; +Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz<br>&gt; +%else<br>&gt; +Source: <a
+ href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</a><br>&gt; +%endif<br>&gt; +URL: <a href="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina" target="_blank">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</a><br>&gt;&nbsp; %description<br>&gt; -Eina is a data type library.<br>&gt; +Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.<br>&gt;&nbsp; %package -n %libname<br>&gt;&nbsp; Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package<br>&gt; @@ -32,10 +46,17 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{name} development headers and libraries.<br>&gt;&nbsp; %prep<br>&gt; -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}<br>&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt; +%setup -qn %name<br>&gt; +%else<br>&gt; +%setup -qn %name-%version<br>&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp; %build<br>&gt; -%configure2_5x<br>&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt; +NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh<br>&gt; +%endif<br>&gt; +%configure2_5x --disable-static<br>&gt;&nbsp;
+ %make<br>&gt;&nbsp; %install<br>&gt; @@ -44,18 +65,13 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp; find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm<br>&gt; -%clean<br>&gt; -rm -fr %buildroot<br>&gt; -<br>&gt;&nbsp; %files -n %libname<br>&gt; -%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&gt; +%doc AUTHORS README<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*<br>&gt;&nbsp; %files -n %libnamedev<br>&gt; -%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{_libdir}/*.so<br>&gt; -%{_libdir}/*.a<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{_includedir}/*<br>&gt;<br>&gt; regards,<br>&gt; trem<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt; *De :* Florian Hubold &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;<br>&gt; *À :* <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>&gt; *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 12h55<br>&gt; *Objet :* Re:
+ [Mageia-dev] E17 packaging<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Am 22.10.2011 14:29, schrieb Balcaen John:<br>&gt; &gt; Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:10:53 Florian Hubold a écrit :<br>&gt; &gt; [...]<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, there are "stable" snapshots from time to time, but they are<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; snapshot of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; then we should at least try it.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using snapshots or<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; by only changing a macro.<br>&gt; &gt; That's was also suggested on irc :)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; So here's my try, feel free to comment:<br>&gt; (Please don't care about the date format for now :) )<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;  $ svn diff<br>&gt;&nbsp; 
+ Index: eina.spec<br>&gt;&nbsp;  ===================================================================<br>&gt;&nbsp;  --- eina.spec&nbsp; (Revision 157462)<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +++ eina.spec&nbsp; (Arbeitskopie)<br>&gt;&nbsp;  @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%define svndate 23102011<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%define svn r64322<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%define rel 0.%{svn}svn.1<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%else<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%define rel 1<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define major 1<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d<br>&gt;&nbsp;  @@ -4,11 +14,18 @@<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Summary: Data Type Library<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Name: eina<br>&gt;&nbsp;  -Version: 1.0.1<br>&gt;&nbsp;  -Release: %mkrel 2<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +Version: 1.0.999<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +Release: %mkrel %rel<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  License:
+ LGPLv2+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +# export latest svn checkout<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +# svn export <a href="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%" target="_blank">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%</a>{name}<br>&gt;&nbsp;  %{name}-svn-$(date +%d%m%Y)<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +Source: %{name}-svn-%svndate.tar.bz2<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%else<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Source: <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%</a>{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  URL: <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/" target="_blank">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %description<br>&gt;&nbsp;  @@ -32,9 +49,17 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %{name} development headers and libraries.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %prep<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%setup
+ -qn %{name}-svn-%svndate<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%else<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %setup -qn %{name}-%{version}<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %build<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +./autogen.sh<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %configure2_5x<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %make<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>Don't do an svn checkout for such purposes, an svn export is much lighter<br>and already excludes all the .svn internal VCS files. Also the version is not <br>correct,<br>eina is not at 1.1.0 as e17 is also not at version 0.17.<br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>In fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.</span></div><div><span>So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.</span></div><div>But I could use another "version", if people prefers.</div><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list
+ &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 14h31<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 23.10.2011 14:18, schrieb Philippe Reynes:<br>&gt; Thanks for this feedback,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; here the new eina.spec with all feedbacks :<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec<br>&gt; ===================================================================<br>&gt; --- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (révision 157379)<br>&gt; +++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (copie de travail)<br>&gt; @@ -1,18 +1,32 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp; %define major 1<br>&gt;&nbsp; %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&gt;&nbsp; %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d<br>&gt; +%define svn r64324<br>&gt; +%define rel 1<br>&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt; +%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel<br>&gt; +%else<br>&gt;
+ +%define release %mkrel %rel<br>&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp; Summary: Data Type Library<br>&gt;&nbsp; Name: eina<br>&gt; -Version: 1.0.1<br>&gt; -Release: %mkrel 2<br>&gt; +Version: 1.1.0<br>&gt; +Release: %{release}<br>&gt;&nbsp; License: LGPLv2+<br>&gt;&nbsp; Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>&gt; -Source: <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%</a>{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>&gt; -URL: <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/" target="_blank">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a><br>&gt; +# creating archive is quite simple:<br>&gt; +# svn co <a href="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina" target="_blank">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina</a> eina<br>&gt; +# tar cJf eina-r&lt;svnrevision&gt;.tar.xz eina<br>&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt; +Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz<br>&gt; +%else<br>&gt; +Source: <a
+ href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</a><br>&gt; +%endif<br>&gt; +URL: <a href="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina" target="_blank">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</a><br>&gt;&nbsp; %description<br>&gt; -Eina is a data type library.<br>&gt; +Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.<br>&gt;&nbsp; %package -n %libname<br>&gt;&nbsp; Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package<br>&gt; @@ -32,10 +46,17 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{name} development headers and libraries.<br>&gt;&nbsp; %prep<br>&gt; -%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}<br>&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt; +%setup -qn %name<br>&gt; +%else<br>&gt; +%setup -qn %name-%version<br>&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp; %build<br>&gt; -%configure2_5x<br>&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt; +NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh<br>&gt; +%endif<br>&gt; +%configure2_5x --disable-static<br>&gt;&nbsp;
+ %make<br>&gt;&nbsp; %install<br>&gt; @@ -44,18 +65,13 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp; find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm<br>&gt; -%clean<br>&gt; -rm -fr %buildroot<br>&gt; -<br>&gt;&nbsp; %files -n %libname<br>&gt; -%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&gt; +%doc AUTHORS README<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*<br>&gt;&nbsp; %files -n %libnamedev<br>&gt; -%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{_libdir}/*.so<br>&gt; -%{_libdir}/*.a<br>&gt;&nbsp; %{_includedir}/*<br>&gt;<br>&gt; regards,<br>&gt; trem<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt; *De :* Florian Hubold &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;<br>&gt; *À :* <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>&gt; *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 12h55<br>&gt; *Objet :* Re:
+ [Mageia-dev] E17 packaging<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Am 22.10.2011 14:29, schrieb Balcaen John:<br>&gt; &gt; Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:10:53 Florian Hubold a écrit :<br>&gt; &gt; [...]<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, there are "stable" snapshots from time to time, but they are<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; snapshot of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; then we should at least try it.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using snapshots or<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; by only changing a macro.<br>&gt; &gt; That's was also suggested on irc :)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; So here's my try, feel free to comment:<br>&gt; (Please don't care about the date format for now :) )<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;  $ svn diff<br>&gt;&nbsp; 
+ Index: eina.spec<br>&gt;&nbsp;  ===================================================================<br>&gt;&nbsp;  --- eina.spec&nbsp; (Revision 157462)<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +++ eina.spec&nbsp; (Arbeitskopie)<br>&gt;&nbsp;  @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%define svndate 23102011<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%define svn r64322<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%define rel 0.%{svn}svn.1<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%else<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%define rel 1<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define major 1<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d<br>&gt;&nbsp;  @@ -4,11 +14,18 @@<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Summary: Data Type Library<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Name: eina<br>&gt;&nbsp;  -Version: 1.0.1<br>&gt;&nbsp;  -Release: %mkrel 2<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +Version: 1.0.999<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +Release: %mkrel %rel<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  License:
+ LGPLv2+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +# export latest svn checkout<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +# svn export <a href="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%" target="_blank">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%</a>{name}<br>&gt;&nbsp;  %{name}-svn-$(date +%d%m%Y)<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +Source: %{name}-svn-%svndate.tar.bz2<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%else<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  Source: <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%</a>{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  URL: <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/" target="_blank">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %description<br>&gt;&nbsp;  @@ -32,9 +49,17 @@<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %{name} development headers and libraries.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %prep<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%setup
+ -qn %{name}-svn-%svndate<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%else<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %setup -qn %{name}-%{version}<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %build<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +./autogen.sh<br>&gt;&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %configure2_5x<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  %make<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>Don't do an svn checkout for such purposes, an svn export is much lighter<br>and already excludes all the .svn internal VCS files. Also the version is not <br>correct,<br>eina is not at 1.1.0 as e17 is also not at version 0.17.<br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I've updated (yes, yet another time ...) the eina.spec :</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec<br>===================================================================<br>--- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (révision 157379)<br>+++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (copie de travail)<br>@@ -1,18 +1,32 @@<br>&nbsp;%define major 1<br>&nbsp;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&nbsp;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d<br>+%define svn r64327<br>+%define rel 1<br>+%if %svn<br>+%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel<br>+%else<br>+%define release %mkrel %rel<br>+%endif<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;Summary: Data Type Library<br>&nbsp;Name: eina<br>-Version:
+ 1.0.1<br>-Release: %mkrel 2<br>+Version: 1.0.999<br>+Release: %{release}<br>&nbsp;License: LGPLv2+<br>&nbsp;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>-Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>-URL: http://www.enlightenment.org/<br>+# creating archive is quite simple:<br>+# svn export http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name %name<br>+# tar cJf %name-%svn.tar.xz %name<br>+%if %svn<br>+Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz<br>+%else<br>+Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2<br>+%endif<br>+URL: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina<br></span></div><div>&nbsp;%description<br>-Eina is a data type library.<br>+Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%package -n %libname<br>&nbsp;Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package<br>@@ -32,10 +46,17 @@<br>&nbsp;%{name} development headers and libraries.<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%prep<br>-%setup -qn
+ %{name}-%{version}<br>+%if %svn<br>+%setup -qn %name<br>+%else<br>+%setup -qn %name-%version<br>+%endif<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%build<br>-%configure2_5x<br>+%if %svn<br>+NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh<br>+%endif<br>+%configure2_5x --disable-static<br>&nbsp;%make<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%install<br>@@ -44,18 +65,13 @@<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm<br>&nbsp;<br>-%clean<br>-rm -fr %buildroot<br>-<br>&nbsp;%files -n %libname<br>-%defattr(-,root,root)<br>+%doc AUTHORS README<br>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%files -n %libnamedev<br>-%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*<br>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/*.so<br>-%{_libdir}/*.a<br>&nbsp;%{_includedir}/*<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;<br>This version is better ?</div><div>I can commit ?</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new
+ york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Philippe Reynes &lt;tremyfr@yahoo.fr&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 16h22<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> [Mageia-dev] Re :  Re :  Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br><div id="yiv973664651"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>You're right, the package version isn't very good.</span></div><div><span>I've looked in the file configure.ac, and there is a&nbsp;</span></div><div><span>version: 1.0.999</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>When in svn mode, I propose
+ to use the version</div><div>indicated in configure.ac. Do you agree ?</div><div><br></div><div>About svn export, I'll try if the compilation works</div><div>fine with it. If yes, you're right again, it's far better</div><div>to use it.</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times, serif;"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times, serif;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 16h02<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re :  Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 23.10.2011 14:47, schrieb Philippe Reynes:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In
+ fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.<br>&gt; So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.<br>&gt; But I could use another "version", if people prefers.<br>No, tarballs generated by svn export allow for normal compilation.<br>Just tested for most of the EFL with a current tarball.<br><br>And as we are using the real version for e
+ package itself, i'd prefer<br>to use the same versioning scheme throughout all of EFL.<br><br><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I've updated (yes, yet another time ...) the eina.spec :</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec<br>===================================================================<br>--- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (révision 157379)<br>+++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (copie de travail)<br>@@ -1,18 +1,32 @@<br>&nbsp;%define major 1<br>&nbsp;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&nbsp;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d<br>+%define svn r64327<br>+%define rel 1<br>+%if %svn<br>+%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel<br>+%else<br>+%define release %mkrel %rel<br>+%endif<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;Summary: Data Type Library<br>&nbsp;Name: eina<br>-Version:
+ 1.0.1<br>-Release: %mkrel 2<br>+Version: 1.0.999<br>+Release: %{release}<br>&nbsp;License: LGPLv2+<br>&nbsp;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>-Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>-URL: http://www.enlightenment.org/<br>+# creating archive is quite simple:<br>+# svn export http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name %name<br>+# tar cJf %name-%svn.tar.xz %name<br>+%if %svn<br>+Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz<br>+%else<br>+Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2<br>+%endif<br>+URL: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina<br></span></div><div>&nbsp;%description<br>-Eina is a data type library.<br>+Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%package -n %libname<br>&nbsp;Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package<br>@@ -32,10 +46,17 @@<br>&nbsp;%{name} development headers and libraries.<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%prep<br>-%setup -qn
+ %{name}-%{version}<br>+%if %svn<br>+%setup -qn %name<br>+%else<br>+%setup -qn %name-%version<br>+%endif<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%build<br>-%configure2_5x<br>+%if %svn<br>+NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh<br>+%endif<br>+%configure2_5x --disable-static<br>&nbsp;%make<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%install<br>@@ -44,18 +65,13 @@<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm<br>&nbsp;<br>-%clean<br>-rm -fr %buildroot<br>-<br>&nbsp;%files -n %libname<br>-%defattr(-,root,root)<br>+%doc AUTHORS README<br>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;%files -n %libnamedev<br>-%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*<br>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/*.so<br>-%{_libdir}/*.a<br>&nbsp;%{_includedir}/*<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;<br>This version is better ?</div><div>I can commit ?</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new
+ york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Philippe Reynes &lt;tremyfr@yahoo.fr&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 16h22<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> [Mageia-dev] Re :  Re :  Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br><div id="yiv973664651"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>You're right, the package version isn't very good.</span></div><div><span>I've looked in the file configure.ac, and there is a&nbsp;</span></div><div><span>version: 1.0.999</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>When in svn mode, I propose
+ to use the version</div><div>indicated in configure.ac. Do you agree ?</div><div><br></div><div>About svn export, I'll try if the compilation works</div><div>fine with it. If yes, you're right again, it's far better</div><div>to use it.</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times, serif;"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times, serif;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 16h02<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re :  Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 23.10.2011 14:47, schrieb Philippe Reynes:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In
+ fact, autogen.sh use svnversion to generate some files.<br>&gt; So, if I only do an svn export, the compilation fails.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I've used eina 1.1.0, because, it should be the next release.<br>&gt; But I could use another "version", if people prefers.<br>No, tarballs generated by svn export allow for normal compilation.<br>Just tested for most of the EFL with a current tarball.<br><br>And as we are using the real version for e
+ package itself, i'd prefer<br>to use the same versioning scheme throughout all of EFL.<br><br><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<p>Yes. It&#39;s planned some days before i18n freeze so translators can catch up with last changes.</p>
+<p>Oliver</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">22.10.2011 21:11 schrieb am &quot;Kamil Rytarowski&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;:<br><br><u></u>
+
+  
+    
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    W dniu 22.10.2011 19:22, Anne nicolas pisze:
+    <p><font color="#500050"><br>&gt;<br>&gt; Hi there<br>&gt;<br>&gt; As already announced in some mailing-lists, Mageia 2 will be a bit<br>&gt; delayed in or...</font></p><ul>
+      <li>Alpha 1: 2011 Nov. 16th</li>
+      <li>Alpha 2: 2011 Dec. 14</li>
+      <li>Alpha 3: 2012 Jan. 12</li>
+      <li>Beta 1: 2012 Feb. 21</li>
+      <li>Versions freeze: 2012 Mar. 7</li>
+      <li>Artwork freeze: 2012 Mar. 10</li>
+      <li>i18n freeze: 2012 Mar. 10</li>
+      <li>Beta 2: 2012 Mar. 15</li>
+      <li>Releases freeze: 2012 Apr. 7</li>
+      <li>Development String freeze: 2012 Mar. 7</li>
+    </ul>
+    is 7 Mar. correct?<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>Release Candidate: 2012 Apr. 10</li>
+      <li>Final Release: 2012 May 3</li>
+    </ul>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></p>
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+<p>Yes. It&#39;s planned some days before i18n freeze so translators can catch up with last changes.</p>
+<p>Oliver</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">22.10.2011 21:11 schrieb am &quot;Kamil Rytarowski&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;:<br><br><u></u>
+
+  
+    
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    W dniu 22.10.2011 19:22, Anne nicolas pisze:
+    <p><font color="#500050"><br>&gt;<br>&gt; Hi there<br>&gt;<br>&gt; As already announced in some mailing-lists, Mageia 2 will be a bit<br>&gt; delayed in or...</font></p><ul>
+      <li>Alpha 1: 2011 Nov. 16th</li>
+      <li>Alpha 2: 2011 Dec. 14</li>
+      <li>Alpha 3: 2012 Jan. 12</li>
+      <li>Beta 1: 2012 Feb. 21</li>
+      <li>Versions freeze: 2012 Mar. 7</li>
+      <li>Artwork freeze: 2012 Mar. 10</li>
+      <li>i18n freeze: 2012 Mar. 10</li>
+      <li>Beta 2: 2012 Mar. 15</li>
+      <li>Releases freeze: 2012 Apr. 7</li>
+      <li>Development String freeze: 2012 Mar. 7</li>
+    </ul>
+    is 7 Mar. correct?<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>Release Candidate: 2012 Apr. 10</li>
+      <li>Final Release: 2012 May 3</li>
+    </ul>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></p>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>Thanks for this feedback,</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>here the new eina.spec with all feedbacks :</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span><br></span></div><div>&nbsp;Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec<br></div><div>===================================================================</div><div>--- eina/SPECS/eina.spec &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(révision 157379)</div><div>+++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(copie de travail)</div><div>@@ -1,18 +1,32
+ @@</div><div>&nbsp;%define major 1</div><div>&nbsp;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major</div><div>&nbsp;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d</div><div>+%define svn r64324</div><div>+%define rel 1</div><div>+%if %svn</div><div>+%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel</div><div>+%else</div><div>+%define release %mkrel %rel</div><div>+%endif</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;Summary: Data Type Library</div><div>&nbsp;Name: eina</div><div>-Version: 1.0.1</div><div>-Release: %mkrel 2</div><div>+Version: 1.1.0</div><div>+Release: %{release}</div><div>&nbsp;License: LGPLv2+</div><div>&nbsp;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment</div><div>-Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2</div><div>-URL: http://www.enlightenment.org/</div><div>+# creating archive is quite simple:</div><div>+# svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina eina</div><div>+# tar cJf eina-r&lt;svnrevision&gt;.tar.xz eina</div><div>+%if
+ %svn</div><div>+Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz</div><div>+%else</div><div>+Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</div><div>+%endif</div><div>+URL: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</div><div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%description</div><div>-Eina is a data type library.</div><div>+Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%package -n %libname</div><div>&nbsp;Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package</div><div>@@ -32,10 +46,17 @@</div><div>&nbsp;%{name} development headers and libraries.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%prep</div><div>-%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}</div><div>+%if %svn</div><div>+%setup -qn %name</div><div>+%else</div><div>+%setup -qn %name-%version</div><div>+%endif</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%build</div><div>-%configure2_5x</div><div>+%if %svn</div><div>+NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh</div><div>+%endif</div><div>+%configure2_5x
+ --disable-static</div><div>&nbsp;%make</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%install</div><div>@@ -44,18 +65,13 @@</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm</div><div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>-%clean</div><div>-rm -fr %buildroot</div><div>-</div><div>&nbsp;%files -n %libname</div><div>-%defattr(-,root,root)</div><div>+%doc AUTHORS README</div><div>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%files -n %libnamedev</div><div>-%defattr(-,root,root)</div><div>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*</div><div>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/*.so</div><div>-%{_libdir}/*.a</div><div>&nbsp;%{_includedir}/*</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div></div></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
+ 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 12h55<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 22.10.2011 14:29, schrieb Balcaen John:<br>&gt; Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:10:53 Florian Hubold a écrit :<br>&gt; [...]<br>&gt;&gt; Well, there are "stable" snapshots from time to time, but they are<br>&gt;&gt; not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN<br>&gt;&gt; snapshot of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)<br>&gt;&gt; then we should at least try it.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using
+ snapshots or<br>&gt;&gt; change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible<br>&gt;&gt; by only changing a macro.<br>&gt; That's was also suggested on irc :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Regards,<br>&gt; <br>So here's my try, feel free to comment:<br>(Please don't care about the date format for now :) )<br><br>&nbsp;  $ svn diff<br>&nbsp;  Index: eina.spec<br>&nbsp;  ===================================================================<br>&nbsp;  --- eina.spec&nbsp;  (Revision 157462)<br>&nbsp;  +++ eina.spec&nbsp;  (Arbeitskopie)<br>&nbsp;  @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@<br>&nbsp;  +%define svndate 23102011<br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp;  +%define svn r64322<br>&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&nbsp;  +%define rel 0.%{svn}svn.1<br>&nbsp;  +%else<br>&nbsp;  +%define rel 1<br>&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define major 1<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d<br>&nbsp;  @@ -4,11
+ +14,18 @@<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  Summary: Data Type Library<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  Name: eina<br>&nbsp;  -Version: 1.0.1<br>&nbsp;  -Release: %mkrel 2<br>&nbsp;  +Version: 1.0.999<br>&nbsp;  +Release: %mkrel %rel<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  License: LGPLv2+<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>&nbsp;  +# export latest svn checkout<br>&nbsp;  +# svn export <a href="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%" target="_blank">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%</a>{name}<br>&nbsp;  %{name}-svn-$(date +%d%m%Y)<br>&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&nbsp;  +Source: %{name}-svn-%svndate.tar.bz2<br>&nbsp;  +%else<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  Source: <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%</a>{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  URL: <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/" target="_blank">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a><br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; 
+ %description<br>&nbsp;  @@ -32,9 +49,17 @@<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %{name} development headers and libraries.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %prep<br>&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&nbsp;  +%setup -qn %{name}-svn-%svndate<br>&nbsp;  +%else<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %setup -qn %{name}-%{version}<br>&nbsp;  +%endif<br><br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %build<br>&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&nbsp;  +./autogen.sh<br>&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %configure2_5x<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %make<br><br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>Thanks for this feedback,</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>here the new eina.spec with all feedbacks :</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span><br></span></div><div>&nbsp;Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec<br></div><div>===================================================================</div><div>--- eina/SPECS/eina.spec &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(révision 157379)</div><div>+++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(copie de travail)</div><div>@@ -1,18 +1,32
+ @@</div><div>&nbsp;%define major 1</div><div>&nbsp;%define libname %mklibname %{name} %major</div><div>&nbsp;%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d</div><div>+%define svn r64324</div><div>+%define rel 1</div><div>+%if %svn</div><div>+%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel</div><div>+%else</div><div>+%define release %mkrel %rel</div><div>+%endif</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;Summary: Data Type Library</div><div>&nbsp;Name: eina</div><div>-Version: 1.0.1</div><div>-Release: %mkrel 2</div><div>+Version: 1.1.0</div><div>+Release: %{release}</div><div>&nbsp;License: LGPLv2+</div><div>&nbsp;Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment</div><div>-Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2</div><div>-URL: http://www.enlightenment.org/</div><div>+# creating archive is quite simple:</div><div>+# svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/eina eina</div><div>+# tar cJf eina-r&lt;svnrevision&gt;.tar.xz eina</div><div>+%if
+ %svn</div><div>+Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz</div><div>+%else</div><div>+Source: http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</div><div>+%endif</div><div>+URL: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</div><div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%description</div><div>-Eina is a data type library.</div><div>+Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%package -n %libname</div><div>&nbsp;Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package</div><div>@@ -32,10 +46,17 @@</div><div>&nbsp;%{name} development headers and libraries.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%prep</div><div>-%setup -qn %{name}-%{version}</div><div>+%if %svn</div><div>+%setup -qn %name</div><div>+%else</div><div>+%setup -qn %name-%version</div><div>+%endif</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%build</div><div>-%configure2_5x</div><div>+%if %svn</div><div>+NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh</div><div>+%endif</div><div>+%configure2_5x
+ --disable-static</div><div>&nbsp;%make</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%install</div><div>@@ -44,18 +65,13 @@</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm</div><div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>-%clean</div><div>-rm -fr %buildroot</div><div>-</div><div>&nbsp;%files -n %libname</div><div>-%defattr(-,root,root)</div><div>+%doc AUTHORS README</div><div>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;%files -n %libnamedev</div><div>-%defattr(-,root,root)</div><div>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*</div><div>&nbsp;%{_libdir}/*.so</div><div>-%{_libdir}/*.a</div><div>&nbsp;%{_includedir}/*</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div></div></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
+ 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 12h55<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 22.10.2011 14:29, schrieb Balcaen John:<br>&gt; Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 14:10:53 Florian Hubold a écrit :<br>&gt; [...]<br>&gt;&gt; Well, there are "stable" snapshots from time to time, but they are<br>&gt;&gt; not done regularly. I'd say if we can make local builds of a newer SVN<br>&gt;&gt; snapshot of the whole E17 before Mageia 2 alpha (i.e. in the next ~20 days)<br>&gt;&gt; then we should at least try it.<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; BTW: I'd remove the Source URL when only using
+ snapshots or<br>&gt;&gt; change the SPEC in a way that make using SVN snapshots possible<br>&gt;&gt; by only changing a macro.<br>&gt; That's was also suggested on irc :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Regards,<br>&gt; <br>So here's my try, feel free to comment:<br>(Please don't care about the date format for now :) )<br><br>&nbsp;  $ svn diff<br>&nbsp;  Index: eina.spec<br>&nbsp;  ===================================================================<br>&nbsp;  --- eina.spec&nbsp;  (Revision 157462)<br>&nbsp;  +++ eina.spec&nbsp;  (Arbeitskopie)<br>&nbsp;  @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@<br>&nbsp;  +%define svndate 23102011<br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp;  +%define svn r64322<br>&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&nbsp;  +%define rel 0.%{svn}svn.1<br>&nbsp;  +%else<br>&nbsp;  +%define rel 1<br>&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define major 1<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %define libnamedev %mklibname %{name} -d<br>&nbsp;  @@ -4,11
+ +14,18 @@<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  Summary: Data Type Library<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  Name: eina<br>&nbsp;  -Version: 1.0.1<br>&nbsp;  -Release: %mkrel 2<br>&nbsp;  +Version: 1.0.999<br>&nbsp;  +Release: %mkrel %rel<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  License: LGPLv2+<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>&nbsp;  +# export latest svn checkout<br>&nbsp;  +# svn export <a href="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%" target="_blank">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%</a>{name}<br>&nbsp;  %{name}-svn-$(date +%d%m%Y)<br>&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&nbsp;  +Source: %{name}-svn-%svndate.tar.bz2<br>&nbsp;  +%else<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  Source: <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%</a>{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  URL: <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/" target="_blank">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a><br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; 
+ %description<br>&nbsp;  @@ -32,9 +49,17 @@<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %{name} development headers and libraries.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %prep<br>&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&nbsp;  +%setup -qn %{name}-svn-%svndate<br>&nbsp;  +%else<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %setup -qn %{name}-%{version}<br>&nbsp;  +%endif<br><br>&nbsp;  +<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %build<br>&nbsp;  +%if %svn<br>&nbsp;  +./autogen.sh<br>&nbsp;  +%endif<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %configure2_5x<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;  %make<br><br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>Hi,</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>entrance seems to be the old login manager, new one is elsa.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>(if I don't mistake).</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>I've planned to work on e17, not really to maintain myself all e17.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'times
+ new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Right now, I've reworked :&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div><div>my @packages = ( "eina" , "eet" , "evas" , "ecore" , "embryo" ,&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"edje" , "efreet" , "e_dbus" , "eeze" ,&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"elementary" , "e" , "exalt" , "emotion",&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"ethumb" , "emprint" , "eweather" , "e_modules" );</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">(Yes, it's a copy/paste from a script I use to compile all e17&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times,
+ serif; font-size: 12pt; ">related package).</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">regards,</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">trem</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org<br><b><span
+ style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 23h44<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 23.10.2011 19:54, schrieb D.Morgan:<br>&gt; On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Philippe Reynes&lt;<a ymailto="mailto:tremyfr@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:tremyfr@yahoo.fr">tremyfr@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;&nbsp; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>&gt;&gt; I've updated (yes, yet another time ...) the eina.spec :<br>&gt;&gt; Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec<br>&gt;&gt; ===================================================================<br>&gt;&gt; --- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (révision 157379)<br>&gt;&gt; +++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (copie de travail)<br>&gt;&gt; @@ -1,18 +1,32 @@<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %define major 1<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %define libnamedev %mklibname
+ %{name} -d<br>&gt;&gt; +%define svn r64327<br>&gt;&gt; +%define rel 1<br>&gt;&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt;&gt; +%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel<br>&gt;&gt; +%else<br>&gt;&gt; +%define release %mkrel %rel<br>&gt;&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  Summary: Data Type Library<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  Name: eina<br>&gt;&gt; -Version: 1.0.1<br>&gt;&gt; -Release: %mkrel 2<br>&gt;&gt; +Version: 1.0.999<br>&gt;&gt; +Release: %{release}<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  License: LGPLv2+<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>&gt;&gt; -Source:<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%</a>{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>&gt;&gt; -URL: <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/" target="_blank">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a><br>&gt;&gt; +# creating archive is quite simple:<br>&gt;&gt; +# svn export <a href="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name"
+ target="_blank">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name</a> %name<br>&gt;&gt; +# tar cJf %name-%svn.tar.xz %name<br>&gt;&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt;&gt; +Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz<br>&gt;&gt; +%else<br>&gt;&gt; +Source: <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</a><br>&gt;&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&gt; +URL: <a href="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina" target="_blank">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</a><br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %description<br>&gt;&gt; -Eina is a data type library.<br>&gt;&gt; +Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %package -n %libname<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package<br>&gt;&gt; @@ -32,10 +46,17 @@<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %{name} development headers and libraries.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %prep<br>&gt;&gt; -%setup -qn
+ %{name}-%{version}<br>&gt;&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt;&gt; +%setup -qn %name<br>&gt;&gt; +%else<br>&gt;&gt; +%setup -qn %name-%version<br>&gt;&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %build<br>&gt;&gt; -%configure2_5x<br>&gt;&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt;&gt; +NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh<br>&gt;&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&gt; +%configure2_5x --disable-static<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %make<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %install<br>&gt;&gt; @@ -44,18 +65,13 @@<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm<br>"find %buildroot -name *.a | xargs rm" should be also<br>added as a safeguard as you removed those from %files list, no?<br>&gt;&gt; -%clean<br>&gt;&gt; -rm -fr %buildroot<br>&gt;&gt; -<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %files -n %libname<br>&gt;&gt; -%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&gt;&gt; +%doc AUTHORS README<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %files -n %libnamedev<br>&gt;&gt; -%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; 
+ %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %{_libdir}/*.so<br>&gt;&gt; -%{_libdir}/*.a<br>^^ see above<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %{_includedir}/*<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; This version is better ?<br>&gt;&gt; I can commit ?<br>Apart from the above, looks good.<br>&gt;&gt; regards,<br>&gt;&gt; trem<br>&gt; for me this seems OK<br>&gt;<br>Furthermore from this i'm planning to import entrance,<br>enlightenment login manager for a more complete e experience.<br>Also maybe (after a little update) my e17-artwork package.<br><br>BTW: You already mentioned that you're planning to work on e17<br>packages, do you want to maintain those that are already there?<br>And if you update some other e packages could you please tell me<br>afterwards so i can take a peek, would be really nice :)<br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>Hi,</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>entrance seems to be the old login manager, new one is elsa.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>(if I don't mistake).</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span>I've planned to work on e17, not really to maintain myself all e17.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'times
+ new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Right now, I've reworked :&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div><div>my @packages = ( "eina" , "eet" , "evas" , "ecore" , "embryo" ,&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"edje" , "efreet" , "e_dbus" , "eeze" ,&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"elementary" , "e" , "exalt" , "emotion",&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"ethumb" , "emprint" , "eweather" , "e_modules" );</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">(Yes, it's a copy/paste from a script I use to compile all e17&nbsp;</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times,
+ serif; font-size: 12pt; ">related package).</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">regards,</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">trem</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Florian Hubold &lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org<br><b><span
+ style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Dimanche 23 Octobre 2011 23h44<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re : Re : Re : Re : E17 packaging<br></font><br>Am 23.10.2011 19:54, schrieb D.Morgan:<br>&gt; On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Philippe Reynes&lt;<a ymailto="mailto:tremyfr@yahoo.fr" href="mailto:tremyfr@yahoo.fr">tremyfr@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;&nbsp; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>&gt;&gt; I've updated (yes, yet another time ...) the eina.spec :<br>&gt;&gt; Index: eina/SPECS/eina.spec<br>&gt;&gt; ===================================================================<br>&gt;&gt; --- eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (révision 157379)<br>&gt;&gt; +++ eina/SPECS/eina.spec&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (copie de travail)<br>&gt;&gt; @@ -1,18 +1,32 @@<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %define major 1<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %define libname %mklibname %{name} %major<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %define libnamedev %mklibname
+ %{name} -d<br>&gt;&gt; +%define svn r64327<br>&gt;&gt; +%define rel 1<br>&gt;&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt;&gt; +%define release %mkrel -c %svn %rel<br>&gt;&gt; +%else<br>&gt;&gt; +%define release %mkrel %rel<br>&gt;&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  Summary: Data Type Library<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  Name: eina<br>&gt;&gt; -Version: 1.0.1<br>&gt;&gt; -Release: %mkrel 2<br>&gt;&gt; +Version: 1.0.999<br>&gt;&gt; +Release: %{release}<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  License: LGPLv2+<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  Group: Graphical desktop/Enlightenment<br>&gt;&gt; -Source:<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%</a>{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2<br>&gt;&gt; -URL: <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/" target="_blank">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a><br>&gt;&gt; +# creating archive is quite simple:<br>&gt;&gt; +# svn export <a href="http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name"
+ target="_blank">http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/%name</a> %name<br>&gt;&gt; +# tar cJf %name-%svn.tar.xz %name<br>&gt;&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt;&gt; +Source: %name-%svn.tar.xz<br>&gt;&gt; +%else<br>&gt;&gt; +Source: <a href="http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2" target="_blank">http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/%name-%version.tar.bz2</a><br>&gt;&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&gt; +URL: <a href="http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina" target="_blank">http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Eina</a><br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %description<br>&gt;&gt; -Eina is a data type library.<br>&gt;&gt; +Eina is a core data structure and common utility library.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %package -n %libname<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  Summary: Libraries for the %{name} package<br>&gt;&gt; @@ -32,10 +46,17 @@<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %{name} development headers and libraries.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %prep<br>&gt;&gt; -%setup -qn
+ %{name}-%{version}<br>&gt;&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt;&gt; +%setup -qn %name<br>&gt;&gt; +%else<br>&gt;&gt; +%setup -qn %name-%version<br>&gt;&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %build<br>&gt;&gt; -%configure2_5x<br>&gt;&gt; +%if %svn<br>&gt;&gt; +NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh<br>&gt;&gt; +%endif<br>&gt;&gt; +%configure2_5x --disable-static<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %make<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %install<br>&gt;&gt; @@ -44,18 +65,13 @@<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  find %buildroot -name *.la | xargs rm<br>"find %buildroot -name *.a | xargs rm" should be also<br>added as a safeguard as you removed those from %files list, no?<br>&gt;&gt; -%clean<br>&gt;&gt; -rm -fr %buildroot<br>&gt;&gt; -<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %files -n %libname<br>&gt;&gt; -%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&gt;&gt; +%doc AUTHORS README<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %{_libdir}/*.so.%{major}*<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %files -n %libnamedev<br>&gt;&gt; -%defattr(-,root,root)<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; 
+ %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %{_libdir}/*.so<br>&gt;&gt; -%{_libdir}/*.a<br>^^ see above<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  %{_includedir}/*<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; This version is better ?<br>&gt;&gt; I can commit ?<br>Apart from the above, looks good.<br>&gt;&gt; regards,<br>&gt;&gt; trem<br>&gt; for me this seems OK<br>&gt;<br>Furthermore from this i'm planning to import entrance,<br>enlightenment login manager for a more complete e experience.<br>Also maybe (after a little update) my e17-artwork package.<br><br>BTW: You already mentioned that you're planning to work on e17<br>packages, do you want to maintain those that are already there?<br>And if you update some other e packages could you please tell me<br>afterwards so i can take a peek, would be really nice :)<br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am 26.10.2011 06:59, schrieb Michael Scherer:<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 à 08:41 +0100, Philippe Reynes a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve tried to use E17, but it&#39;s an old version. I&#39;ve asked e17 team,<br>
+and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no<br>
+stable release (or vert vert few).<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.<br>
+If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?<br>
+</blockquote>
+How will it go for stable support ?<br>
+<br>
+IE, once mageia 2 is out ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+We have better chances for bugfixes, don&#39;t think the snapshots which<br>
+we used till now ( nearly one year old and also only based on<br>
+the development release) will get some love anymore.<br>
+<br>
+For security issues, there were none that i&#39;m aware of except for imlib2.<br>
+<br>
+But if you argument this way, we should stay with the packages we have<br>
+until E17 is fully stable and release, but i don&#39;t see how this would be better.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Sorry, I&#39;m coming into this conversation late, but when I did a ton of work revamping all the EFL, e17, extra apps and python pkgs, there is a pretty good tool  that can help guide you.<br>
+<br>easy_e17.sh build script. It gives the build order, the relevant pkgs to pull from the svn.<br><br>None of this work was ever upstreamed back to the mandriva svn, but it has been maintained in the unity-linux svn. <br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am 26.10.2011 06:59, schrieb Michael Scherer:<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le samedi 22 octobre 2011 à 08:41 +0100, Philippe Reynes a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve tried to use E17, but it&#39;s an old version. I&#39;ve asked e17 team,<br>
+and they answered me that E17 is &quot;rolling release&quot;. So no<br>
+stable release (or vert vert few).<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I propose to package svn version, so we could be up-to-date.<br>
+If a problem occurs, we could report it to upstream.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+What do you think about doing it on all E17 package ?<br>
+</blockquote>
+How will it go for stable support ?<br>
+<br>
+IE, once mageia 2 is out ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+We have better chances for bugfixes, don&#39;t think the snapshots which<br>
+we used till now ( nearly one year old and also only based on<br>
+the development release) will get some love anymore.<br>
+<br>
+For security issues, there were none that i&#39;m aware of except for imlib2.<br>
+<br>
+But if you argument this way, we should stay with the packages we have<br>
+until E17 is fully stable and release, but i don&#39;t see how this would be better.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Sorry, I&#39;m coming into this conversation late, but when I did a ton of work revamping all the EFL, e17, extra apps and python pkgs, there is a pretty good tool  that can help guide you.<br>
+<br>easy_e17.sh build script. It gives the build order, the relevant pkgs to pull from the svn.<br><br>None of this work was ever upstreamed back to the mandriva svn, but it has been maintained in the unity-linux svn. <br>
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+#!/bin/sh
+# fait un miroir local des updates et le tient à jour
+
+SOURCE=ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.mandriva.com/MandrivaLinux/official/2010.2/
+DEST=/home/pierre/mdv/upd-2010.2/
+export TMPDIR=/tmp
+
+#/etc/init.d/dnsmasq stop
+
+for mir in \
+	x86_64/media/contrib/updates/ \
+	x86_64/media/main/updates/ \
+	x86_64/media/non-free/updates  \
+	i586/media/contrib/updates/ \
+	i586/media/main/updates/ \
+	i586/media/non-free/updates 
+do
+	echo " En cours : $mir"
+	mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/$mir $DEST/$mir
+done
+
+SOURCE=ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandriva/2010.2/
+
+	echo " En cours : plf-free x86_64 "
+mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/free/release/binary/x86_64 $DEST/free/release/binary/x86_64/
+	echo " En cours : plf-non-free x86_64 "
+mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/non-free/release/binary/x86_64 $DEST/non-free/release/binary/x86_64/
+	echo " En cours : plf-free i586 "
+mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/free/release/binary/i586 $DEST/free/release/binary/i586
+	echo " En cours : plf-non-free i586 "
+mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/non-free/release/binary/i586 $DEST/non-free/release/binary/i586
+
+#/etc/init.d/dnsmasq start
+
+echo "Miroirs $DEST à jour : `date`"
+
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+#!/bin/sh
+MODE=dist
+
+if [ $MODE = "dist" ]
+then	
+	SERV=http://azkar/upd-2010.0
+else
+	SERV=/home/pierre/upd-2010.0
+fi
+
+if [ $HOSTTYPE = "x86_64" ]
+then
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "PLF free azkar" $SERV/free/release/binary/x86_64
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "PLF non-free azkar" $SERV/non-free/release/binary/x86_64
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "main update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/main/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "main32 update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/main/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "contrib update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/contrib/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "non-free update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/non-free/updates
+else
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "PLF free azkar" $SERV/free/release/binary/i586
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "PLF non-free azkar" $SERV/non-free/release/binary/i586
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "main update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/main/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "contrib update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/contrib/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "non-free update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/non-free/updates
+fi
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+#!/bin/sh
+# fait un miroir local des updates et le tient à jour
+
+SOURCE=ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.mandriva.com/MandrivaLinux/official/2010.2/
+DEST=/home/pierre/mdv/upd-2010.2/
+export TMPDIR=/tmp
+
+#/etc/init.d/dnsmasq stop
+
+for mir in \
+	x86_64/media/contrib/updates/ \
+	x86_64/media/main/updates/ \
+	x86_64/media/non-free/updates  \
+	i586/media/contrib/updates/ \
+	i586/media/main/updates/ \
+	i586/media/non-free/updates 
+do
+	echo " En cours : $mir"
+	mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/$mir $DEST/$mir
+done
+
+SOURCE=ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandriva/2010.2/
+
+	echo " En cours : plf-free x86_64 "
+mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/free/release/binary/x86_64 $DEST/free/release/binary/x86_64/
+	echo " En cours : plf-non-free x86_64 "
+mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/non-free/release/binary/x86_64 $DEST/non-free/release/binary/x86_64/
+	echo " En cours : plf-free i586 "
+mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/free/release/binary/i586 $DEST/free/release/binary/i586
+	echo " En cours : plf-non-free i586 "
+mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/non-free/release/binary/i586 $DEST/non-free/release/binary/i586
+
+#/etc/init.d/dnsmasq start
+
+echo "Miroirs $DEST à jour : `date`"
+
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+#!/bin/sh
+MODE=dist
+
+if [ $MODE = "dist" ]
+then	
+	SERV=http://azkar/upd-2010.0
+else
+	SERV=/home/pierre/upd-2010.0
+fi
+
+if [ $HOSTTYPE = "x86_64" ]
+then
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "PLF free azkar" $SERV/free/release/binary/x86_64
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "PLF non-free azkar" $SERV/non-free/release/binary/x86_64
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "main update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/main/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "main32 update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/main/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "contrib update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/contrib/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "non-free update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/non-free/updates
+else
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "PLF free azkar" $SERV/free/release/binary/i586
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "PLF non-free azkar" $SERV/non-free/release/binary/i586
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "main update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/main/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "contrib update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/contrib/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "non-free update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/non-free/updates
+fi
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>Another solution is to package e17 twice (like chromium):</div><div>- an E17 -stable based stable tarball, as it was almost/already done</div><div>- an E17-unstable based on svn, as it's done now</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br><br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>Another solution is to package e17 twice (like chromium):</div><div>- an E17 -stable based stable tarball, as it was almost/already done</div><div>- an E17-unstable based on svn, as it's done now</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br><br></div></div></body></html>
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+Hello,<br><br>I am with some problems after migration to systemd. I will write in this bugreport -&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227</a> about this.<br>
+<br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">I hope to help</span> <span class="hps">the community</span> <span class="hps">reporting</span> <span class="hps">information</span> <span class="hps">about the</span> <span class="hps">problems I&#39;m having</span> <span class="hps">during migration.</span></span><br>
+<br>Thanks.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>I am with some problems after migration to systemd. I will write in this bugreport -&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227</a> about this.<br>
+<br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">I hope to help</span> <span class="hps">the community</span> <span class="hps">reporting</span> <span class="hps">information</span> <span class="hps">about the</span> <span class="hps">problems I&#39;m having</span> <span class="hps">during migration.</span></span><br>
+<br>Thanks.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>&gt; Ok so there is a bug to fix in e17, what do you do ?</div><div><br></div><div>I report it to upstream team (on irc or on the ML)<br><br>&gt; Or a security issue like the one I found ( and that should be fixed I<br>&gt; hope soon, after reporting it 3 times upstream ).</div><div><br></div><div>Same way, report it upstream.</div><div>If upstream don't fix a bug (or security issue), this bug isn't fixed.</div><div>unless packager become a dev and fix the bug himself.</div><div><br>&gt; if the answer is "we ship a newer snapshot who requires to rebuild<br>&gt; everything regarding e17 because there is no guarantee of binary<br>&gt; stability ( ie, ABI wise ) and that will introduce unwanted changes",<br>&gt; then the problem is here.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I was thinking about something like this.<br><br>&gt; Unless
+ the snapshot are bugfixes only ( and they are not ), that's a<br>&gt; problem. That's already annoying to have to do it for chrome, firefox<br>&gt; and thunderbird to not happily increase our burden with a whole desktop<br>&gt; environnement.</div><div><br></div><div>Without stable release, and upstream team doing fix release. I don't know</div><div>how to do manage package.</div><div><br>&gt; So far, I have asked the question 3 times. No one answered at all.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope it's done this time.<br><br>&gt; Also, please do not top post.&nbsp;<br><br>Sorry, will try ...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>So, yes, there isn't any way to manage bug/security issue in a very easy way</div><div>when upstream team don't provide stable tarball. So, what is the mageia&nbsp;</div><div>policy in this case ? no packaging at all ? "private" packaging
+ ?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem<br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>&gt; Ok so there is a bug to fix in e17, what do you do ?</div><div><br></div><div>I report it to upstream team (on irc or on the ML)<br><br>&gt; Or a security issue like the one I found ( and that should be fixed I<br>&gt; hope soon, after reporting it 3 times upstream ).</div><div><br></div><div>Same way, report it upstream.</div><div>If upstream don't fix a bug (or security issue), this bug isn't fixed.</div><div>unless packager become a dev and fix the bug himself.</div><div><br>&gt; if the answer is "we ship a newer snapshot who requires to rebuild<br>&gt; everything regarding e17 because there is no guarantee of binary<br>&gt; stability ( ie, ABI wise ) and that will introduce unwanted changes",<br>&gt; then the problem is here.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I was thinking about something like this.<br><br>&gt; Unless
+ the snapshot are bugfixes only ( and they are not ), that's a<br>&gt; problem. That's already annoying to have to do it for chrome, firefox<br>&gt; and thunderbird to not happily increase our burden with a whole desktop<br>&gt; environnement.</div><div><br></div><div>Without stable release, and upstream team doing fix release. I don't know</div><div>how to do manage package.</div><div><br>&gt; So far, I have asked the question 3 times. No one answered at all.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope it's done this time.<br><br>&gt; Also, please do not top post.&nbsp;<br><br>Sorry, will try ...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>So, yes, there isn't any way to manage bug/security issue in a very easy way</div><div>when upstream team don't provide stable tarball. So, what is the mageia&nbsp;</div><div>policy in this case ? no packaging at all ? "private" packaging
+ ?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem<br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi all,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>If you talk about this page :&nbsp;</span></div><div><span><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[]=update&amp;s[]=policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[]=update&amp;s[]=policy</a><br></span></div><div><br></div><div>I think that I'm the stupid guy. I don't really understand where is the issue with&nbsp;</div><div>this page and e17.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I understand that e17 don't provide "stable" release with tarball. But I never see</div><div>a "mageia forbid to package software without stable release".</div><div><br></div><div>And if yes, I mean, if it's what you want, how I can use E17 on mageia ?</div><div>(others than
+ completly old and obsolete tarball).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Michael Scherer &lt;misc@zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 31 Octobre 2011 12h03<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br>Le samedi 29 octobre 2011 à 18:38 +0100, Philippe Reynes a écrit :<br>&gt; Hi all,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Another solution is to package e17 twice (like chromium):<br>&gt; - an E17 -stable based stable tarball, as it was almost/already
+ done<br>&gt; - an E17-unstable based on svn, as it's done now<br><br>I am a little bit stupid, but can you explain how it solve the issue of<br>not bypassing our update policy ?<br><br>-- <br>Michael Scherer<br><br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi all,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>If you talk about this page :&nbsp;</span></div><div><span><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[]=update&amp;s[]=policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy&amp;s[]=update&amp;s[]=policy</a><br></span></div><div><br></div><div>I think that I'm the stupid guy. I don't really understand where is the issue with&nbsp;</div><div>this page and e17.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I understand that e17 don't provide "stable" release with tarball. But I never see</div><div>a "mageia forbid to package software without stable release".</div><div><br></div><div>And if yes, I mean, if it's what you want, how I can use E17 on mageia ?</div><div>(others than
+ completly old and obsolete tarball).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div>trem</div><div><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Michael Scherer &lt;misc@zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Lundi 31 Octobre 2011 12h03<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] Re :  E17 packaging<br></font><br>Le samedi 29 octobre 2011 à 18:38 +0100, Philippe Reynes a écrit :<br>&gt; Hi all,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Another solution is to package e17 twice (like chromium):<br>&gt; - an E17 -stable based stable tarball, as it was almost/already
+ done<br>&gt; - an E17-unstable based on svn, as it's done now<br><br>I am a little bit stupid, but can you explain how it solve the issue of<br>not bypassing our update policy ?<br><br>-- <br>Michael Scherer<br><br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+##Bugs with a the keyword PATCH or Junior_Job (easy to resolve): 
+600;"The http user-interface to backuppc does not work";"backuppc"
+2740;"chksession does not create the script for lxdm";"desktop-common-data"
+672;"The installation of dkms PSB fails with recent kernels (2.6.38.*)";"dkms-psb-4.41.1-7.mga1.src.rpm"
+1596;"help files not packaged for etherape";"etherape-0.9.10-1.mga1.src.rpm"
+2427;"using -execdir in find does not change the current directory";"findutils-4.5.9-2.mga1"
+2888;"Unbootable entry for Mageia in grub2 generated menu (kernel panic)";"grub"
+1527;"""Mandriva Linux"" string in /etc/issue.net";"initscripts"
+1560;"sysctl.conf refers to Mandriva Linux";"initscripts-9.21-12.mga1"
+1622;"German ""man"" messages have badly formed umlauts";"man-1.6g-2.mga1.src.rpm"
+1136;"numlock doesn't work correctly under X";"numlock-2.1.2-5.mga1.src.rpm"
+1811;"Unable to resume from suspend on Lenovo Thinkpad T410 Laptop";"pm-utils"
+1147;"can't connect ftp through firewall";"shorewall"
+3045;"timezone needs updating";"timezone-2011g-1.mga1.src.rpm"
+758;"Quickly make xdm less austere";"xinitrc"
+2194;"Xfce: the numlock is not active";"xinitrc"
+-
+3035;"URLs in packages are invalid";
+3053;"some rpm provide doc files with restricted permissions (only root can read them)";
+1049;"autossh, change the mkrel (rpm of mdv is more great)";"autossh"
+3199;"Browser's bookmarks show Mandriva Cooker";"desktop-common-data"
+1745;"pcmanfm file cut and paste does not work when path contains non latin characters";"libfm-0.1.14-1.mga1.src.rpm"
+1254;"Cannot login to certain installed desktops via lxdm";"lxdm-0.2.0-2.mga1"
+
+
+##Package with more than 3 bugs:
+2392, 3200, 3198;"chromium-browser"
+2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;"desktop-common-data"
+1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;"evolution"
+1857, 1721, 2937;"f-spot"
+942, 1483, 2628;"gdm"
+416, 2888, 1759, 2121;"grub"
+1245, 1527, 1560, 2614, 2707, 2803, 2916;"initscripts"
+447, 999, 1082 2269, 2842 2994;"meta-task"
+1508, 1590, 2927, 3212, 1568, 2218, 2374, 2775, 3042, 3133;"mgaonline"
+1525, 375, 414, 2995, 2996;"mkinitrd"
+3192, 2503, 2879, 2892;"pam"
+1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;"system-config-printer
+2834;"task-printing-scanning"
+1303, 1712, 2951;"udev"
+2190, 2192, 3057, 3224;"xfce4-session"
+758, 2194, 1908;"xinitrc"
+
+
+##Complete list
+2722, 2794;"GConf2"
+1445;"amule"
+3110;"aumix"
+1049;"autossh"
+600;"backuppc"
+3028;"bind"
+3134;"bootsplash"
+1503;"bug-buddy"
+1920;"busybox"
+2817;"cairo"
+2392, 3200, 3198;"chromium-browser"
+2920;"cpufreq"
+1366;"compositing-wm-common"
+2488;"dansguardian"
+2777;"davfs2"
+3118;"dblatex"
+2438;"dbus"
+2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;"desktop-common-data"
+1537;"docbook-dtds" 
+1534, 1941;"drakguard"
+1244;"epiphany"
+1324;"etcskel"
+1596;"etherape"
+1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;"evolution"
+1857, 1721, 2937;"f-spot"
+2427;"findutils
+1570;"fontconfig"
+1291;"freetype2"
+942, 1483, 2628;"gdm"
+2405;"ghostscript"
+1655, 2159;"gnome-panel" 
+1583;"gnome-session"
+1834;"gpodder"
+416, 2888, 1759, 2121;"grub"
+1821;"gscan2pdf"
+2634;"gsettings-desktop-schemas"
+2841;"gutenprint"
+3051;"hsqldb"
+2391;"icewm"
+1245, 1527, 1560, 2614, 2707, 2803, 2916;"initscripts"
+1155;"iurt"
+2685;"kchmviewer"
+3178;"krb5"
+1745;"libfm"
+3081;"libfreetype6-devel"
+3124;"libtool"
+1938;"libxml"
+1254, 1129;"lxdm"
+3135;"lxrandr"
+1622;"man"
+2860;"mandi"
+447, 999, 1082 2269, 2842 2994;"meta-task"
+1508, 1590, 2927, 3212, 1568, 2218, 2374, 2775, 3042, 3133;"mgaonline"
+2789;"midori"
+1525, 375, 414, 2995, 2996;"mkinitrd"
+441;"mount"
+1608, 2198;"mplayer"
+2761;"mysql-workbench"
+2983, 2291;"net-tools"
+865;"networkmanager"
+665;"nss"
+1476;"ntfsprogs"
+2958;"ntp"
+1136;"numlock"
+1923;"nut"
+3125;"openvpn"
+3192, 2503, 2879, 2892;"pam"
+3164;"password manager"
+1394;"pcmanfm"
+2288;"pd"
+169;"plasma-applet-translatoid"
+1811, 2506;"pm-utils"
+2716;"qt3, fltk2" Request to remove qt3 and fltk2 from cauldron distrib
+1777;"qutecom"
+2156;"readline"
+1438;"rhythmbox"
+1887;"sane"
+3185;"shutter"
+1147;"shorewall"
+947;"sound-juicer"
+1336, 2731;"subversion"
+1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;"system-config-printer
+2834;"task-printing-scanning"
+3045;"timezone-2011g"
+2960;"transcode"
+1303, 1712, 2951;"udev"
+2118;"unknown.  KDE screensaver"
+2247;"userdrake"
+615;"virt-manager"
+235;"wine"
+2232;"wxgtk2.8"
+3003;"xen"
+79;"xfce4-panel"
+2190, 2192, 3057, 3224;"xfce4-session"
+835, 3165;"xfwm4"
+1509;"xguest"
+758, 2194, 1908;"xinitrc"
+2280;"xkeyboard-config"
+2934, 1446;"xulrunner 
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+##Bugs with a the keyword PATCH or Junior_Job (easy to resolve): 
+600;"The http user-interface to backuppc does not work";"backuppc"
+2740;"chksession does not create the script for lxdm";"desktop-common-data"
+672;"The installation of dkms PSB fails with recent kernels (2.6.38.*)";"dkms-psb-4.41.1-7.mga1.src.rpm"
+1596;"help files not packaged for etherape";"etherape-0.9.10-1.mga1.src.rpm"
+2427;"using -execdir in find does not change the current directory";"findutils-4.5.9-2.mga1"
+2888;"Unbootable entry for Mageia in grub2 generated menu (kernel panic)";"grub"
+1527;"""Mandriva Linux"" string in /etc/issue.net";"initscripts"
+1560;"sysctl.conf refers to Mandriva Linux";"initscripts-9.21-12.mga1"
+1622;"German ""man"" messages have badly formed umlauts";"man-1.6g-2.mga1.src.rpm"
+1136;"numlock doesn't work correctly under X";"numlock-2.1.2-5.mga1.src.rpm"
+1811;"Unable to resume from suspend on Lenovo Thinkpad T410 Laptop";"pm-utils"
+1147;"can't connect ftp through firewall";"shorewall"
+3045;"timezone needs updating";"timezone-2011g-1.mga1.src.rpm"
+758;"Quickly make xdm less austere";"xinitrc"
+2194;"Xfce: the numlock is not active";"xinitrc"
+-
+3035;"URLs in packages are invalid";
+3053;"some rpm provide doc files with restricted permissions (only root can read them)";
+1049;"autossh, change the mkrel (rpm of mdv is more great)";"autossh"
+3199;"Browser's bookmarks show Mandriva Cooker";"desktop-common-data"
+1745;"pcmanfm file cut and paste does not work when path contains non latin characters";"libfm-0.1.14-1.mga1.src.rpm"
+1254;"Cannot login to certain installed desktops via lxdm";"lxdm-0.2.0-2.mga1"
+
+
+##Package with more than 3 bugs:
+2392, 3200, 3198;"chromium-browser"
+2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;"desktop-common-data"
+1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;"evolution"
+1857, 1721, 2937;"f-spot"
+942, 1483, 2628;"gdm"
+416, 2888, 1759, 2121;"grub"
+1245, 1527, 1560, 2614, 2707, 2803, 2916;"initscripts"
+447, 999, 1082 2269, 2842 2994;"meta-task"
+1508, 1590, 2927, 3212, 1568, 2218, 2374, 2775, 3042, 3133;"mgaonline"
+1525, 375, 414, 2995, 2996;"mkinitrd"
+3192, 2503, 2879, 2892;"pam"
+1481, 2184, 1454, 2404, 2738;"system-config-printer
+2834;"task-printing-scanning"
+1303, 1712, 2951;"udev"
+2190, 2192, 3057, 3224;"xfce4-session"
+758, 2194, 1908;"xinitrc"
+
+
+##Complete list
+2722, 2794;"GConf2"
+1445;"amule"
+3110;"aumix"
+1049;"autossh"
+600;"backuppc"
+3028;"bind"
+3134;"bootsplash"
+1503;"bug-buddy"
+1920;"busybox"
+2817;"cairo"
+2392, 3200, 3198;"chromium-browser"
+2920;"cpufreq"
+1366;"compositing-wm-common"
+2488;"dansguardian"
+2777;"davfs2"
+3118;"dblatex"
+2438;"dbus"
+2249, 2740, 3199, 2449, 1633;"desktop-common-data"
+1537;"docbook-dtds" 
+1534, 1941;"drakguard"
+1244;"epiphany"
+1324;"etcskel"
+1596;"etherape"
+1867, 2650, 2644, 2653, 2627;"evolution"
+1857, 1721, 2937;"f-spot"
+2427;"findutils
+1570;"fontconfig"
+1291;"freetype2"
+942, 1483, 2628;"gdm"
+2405;"ghostscript"
+1655, 2159;"gnome-panel" 
+1583;"gnome-session"
+1834;"gpodder"
+416, 2888, 1759, 2121;"grub"
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+Hi,<br><br>I want to join the team, actually I already made contact by IRC channel. But I&#39;m still looking for a mentor.<br>I&#39;ve never had experience as a packager just had in a little free software projects. <br>My mageia identity is: mbenattoa. If somebody wants help me on mentoring process I&#39;ll be very glad!<br>
+<br>Thanks.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:00 AM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Send Mageia-dev mailing list submissions to<br>
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+or, via email, send a message with subject or body &#39;help&#39; to<br>
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+than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest...&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Today&#39;s Topics:<br>
+<br>
+   1. Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release<br>
+      perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2 (D.Morgan)<br>
+   2. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing<br>
+      (Johnny A. Solbu)<br>
+   3. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing (andre999)<br>
+   4.  mentors + apprentices (andre999)<br>
+   5. i18n corrections in drak tools (Oliver Burger)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 1<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:40:07 +0100<br>
+From: &quot;D.Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release<br>
+        perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+        &lt;CAL+dqvDutg406MXZVTzaAsyYeO2JXQpbprQHjrpx9CXp=<a href="mailto:vbRmw@mail.gmail.com">vbRmw@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>
+<br>
+On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Thierry Vignaud<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 27 October 2011 17:11, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; takashi &lt;takashi&gt; 0.714.0-1.mga2:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 158214<br>
+&gt;&gt; - update to 0.714<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A requested package cannot be installed:<br>
+&gt; perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied<br>
+&gt; perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;= 0.712.0])<br>
+&gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+still broken.<br>
+<br>
+The main issue is that i don&#39;t see  perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;=<br>
+0.712.0]) see : <a href="http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/" target="_blank">http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 2<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 03:49:02 +0100<br>
+From: &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in<br>
+        updates_testing<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201111020349.05223.cooker@solbu.net">201111020349.05223.cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>
+On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt; No offense intended<br>
+<br>
+None detected. ;-)=<br>
+<br>
+&gt; but you don&#39;t see a slight advantage of not having<br>
+&gt; to mount a separate partition, and of sharing the space available on the<br>
+&gt; otherwise 2 separate partitions, particularly if the disk space is<br>
+&gt; somewhat limited ?<br>
+<br>
+If the diskspace is limited, there often is no available space to host a separate /usr.<br>
+The old drive in my gateway was a 4G drive. There was One partition. ;-)=<br>
+I do see the need to have all in one partition in many cases.<br>
+<br>
+But there is a diffenrece in having a need and require it. :-)=<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn&#39;t notice that the option of<br>
+&gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?<br>
+<br>
+Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.<br>
+I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; However if one has / and /usr on the same partition, combining /bin,<br>
+&gt; /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin would certainly be a lot simpler than it<br>
+&gt; is now.<br>
+<br>
+Yes. I see that, and I see that it can be agood idea to merge /*bin with /usr/*bin<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I never could understand why the complication of separate /bin and /sbin,<br>
+<br>
+I still feel that the daemon&#39;s executeable&#39;s belongs in sbin rather than bin.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with<br>
+&gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.<br>
+<br>
+I haven&#39;t noticed that. do you have an example?<br>
+<br>
+&gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.<br>
+<br>
+Agreed. But don&#39;t throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
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+<br>
+Message: 3<br>
+Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:47:21 -0400<br>
+From: andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in<br>
+        updates_testing<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4EB0E779.5020101@laposte.net">4EB0E779.5020101@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;; Format=&quot;flowed&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu a ?crit :<br>
+&gt; On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn&#39;t notice that the option of<br>
+&gt;&gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.<br>
+&gt; I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+I think it is better to mount any separate /usr as early in the boot<br>
+process as possible.<br>
+<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with<br>
+&gt;&gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; I haven&#39;t noticed that. do you have an example?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+See the attached file of duplications of names on my computer.<br>
+There are 76 duplications in the 4 directories.<br>
+Those ending in @ are symbolic links.  Such duplications will disappear<br>
+with the merging.<br>
+The others are mostly (if not all) scripts which link to a routine which<br>
+asks for the root password for certain commands, according to enabled<br>
+permissions.  If the permissions are enabled and the password correctly<br>
+entered, the user is rerouted to the initial command.  A less obscure<br>
+way of dealing with it would be better.<br>
+(I forget the details, but someone like tv or misc would know.)<br>
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Agreed. But don&#39;t throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+If just changing initramfs to load any separate /usr partition will fix<br>
+it, I don&#39;t see that we are losing anything.<br>
+Although if someone like tmb can initially misunderstand the impact, I<br>
+guess anyone can.  (It took me a while.)<br>
+<br>
+Maybe it will be more trouble to make such an initramfs, but once it is<br>
+made, it should work nicely.  Without a special reason to have a<br>
+separate /usr, I would say that it is better to avoid it.<br>
+I see that ensuring that everything necessary to fully boot being<br>
+guaranteed to be available very early in the boot process is a big plus.<br>
+If /home isn&#39;t available, one can always login to root.  As well,<br>
+keeping /home on a separate partition has advantages for ensuring the<br>
+persistance of personal data and configuration in the event of<br>
+reformatting /.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Andr?<br>
+<br>
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+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 4<br>
+Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:54:38 -0400<br>
+From: andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: [Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4EB0F73E.9060108@laposte.net">4EB0F73E.9060108@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br>
+<br>
+Hi everyone,<br>
+<br>
+We have a new packager, takashi, who has successfully mentored with jquelin.<br>
+<br>
+We now have 2 apprentice candidates with .rpm packaging experience, waiting for<br>
+a mentor.<br>
+<br>
+mcb30 (Michael Brown), who I introduced last week,<br>
+is a longtime Mandrake/Mandriva and now Mageia user who has maintained several<br>
+private RPM repos, and while waiting for a mentor has been making spec files<br>
+for some python applications.<br>
+<br>
+We also have<br>
+neocrust (Alexander Scherbakov),<br>
+who has experience maintaining packages for openSuse and Lunar Linux, as well<br>
+as translating to Russion, and doing documentation with the Gentoo Russion team.<br>
+<br>
+You can find more details at:<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+<br>
+Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks :-)<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+We now have 49 active packagers (maintaining at least one package), with<br>
+several who have yet to take a package.<br>
+We currently have about 40 apprentices.<br>
+Over 75% of packages have a maintainer.<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an<br>
+apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</a><br>
+<br>
+To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode<br>
+#mageia-mentoring.<br>
+<br>
+Regards :-)<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Andr?<br>
+(Packager mentoring program coordinator)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 5<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:45:10 +0100<br>
+From: Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: [Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset=&quot;us-ascii&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Hi there,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;d like to get all corrections made by i18n teams since the Mga1 release into<br>
+the distribution. Imho that is important because not all teams managed to<br>
+finish their translation work for the Mga1 freeze, and we were told at that<br>
+time, that we would be able to get our work into Mga1 via an update later on<br>
+and thus I told the teams to set a priority on the translation of the<br>
+installer po files, which couldn&#39;t be updated later.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+As I mentioned in <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784</a> I would propose<br>
+a &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot;. We could do a blog post calling people to actively<br>
+look for translation errors and file bug reports about them. I18n teams could<br>
+then fix as many of those as possible and commit the corrections to the &quot;1&quot;<br>
+branch of the drak tools svn (and also to cauldron if they are still present<br>
+there).<br>
+<br>
+What do you think?<br>
+Let&#39;s say &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot; somewhen in the middle of next week and an<br>
+update of the drak tools for Mga1 arround december 1st?<br>
+<br>
+Oliver<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+End of Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 15, Issue 5<br>
+*****************************************<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Marco Antonio Benatto<br>Linux user ID:<font size="2"> #506236</font><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I want to join the team, actually I already made contact by IRC channel. But I&#39;m still looking for a mentor.<br>I&#39;ve never had experience as a packager just had in a little free software projects. <br>My mageia identity is: mbenattoa. If somebody wants help me on mentoring process I&#39;ll be very glad!<br>
+<br>Thanks.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:00 AM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Send Mageia-dev mailing list submissions to<br>
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+than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest...&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Today&#39;s Topics:<br>
+<br>
+   1. Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release<br>
+      perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2 (D.Morgan)<br>
+   2. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing<br>
+      (Johnny A. Solbu)<br>
+   3. Re: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing (andre999)<br>
+   4.  mentors + apprentices (andre999)<br>
+   5. i18n corrections in drak tools (Oliver Burger)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 1<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:40:07 +0100<br>
+From: &quot;D.Morgan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release<br>
+        perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+        &lt;CAL+dqvDutg406MXZVTzaAsyYeO2JXQpbprQHjrpx9CXp=<a href="mailto:vbRmw@mail.gmail.com">vbRmw@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>
+<br>
+On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Thierry Vignaud<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 27 October 2011 17:11, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; takashi &lt;takashi&gt; 0.714.0-1.mga2:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 158214<br>
+&gt;&gt; - update to 0.714<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A requested package cannot be installed:<br>
+&gt; perl-SOAP-Lite-0.714.0-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied<br>
+&gt; perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;= 0.712.0])<br>
+&gt; Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+still broken.<br>
+<br>
+The main issue is that i don&#39;t see  perl(SOAP::Transport::FTP)[&gt;=<br>
+0.712.0]) see : <a href="http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/" target="_blank">http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP-Transport-FTP/</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 2<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 03:49:02 +0100<br>
+From: &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in<br>
+        updates_testing<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201111020349.05223.cooker@solbu.net">201111020349.05223.cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>
+On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt; No offense intended<br>
+<br>
+None detected. ;-)=<br>
+<br>
+&gt; but you don&#39;t see a slight advantage of not having<br>
+&gt; to mount a separate partition, and of sharing the space available on the<br>
+&gt; otherwise 2 separate partitions, particularly if the disk space is<br>
+&gt; somewhat limited ?<br>
+<br>
+If the diskspace is limited, there often is no available space to host a separate /usr.<br>
+The old drive in my gateway was a 4G drive. There was One partition. ;-)=<br>
+I do see the need to have all in one partition in many cases.<br>
+<br>
+But there is a diffenrece in having a need and require it. :-)=<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn&#39;t notice that the option of<br>
+&gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?<br>
+<br>
+Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.<br>
+I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; However if one has / and /usr on the same partition, combining /bin,<br>
+&gt; /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin would certainly be a lot simpler than it<br>
+&gt; is now.<br>
+<br>
+Yes. I see that, and I see that it can be agood idea to merge /*bin with /usr/*bin<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I never could understand why the complication of separate /bin and /sbin,<br>
+<br>
+I still feel that the daemon&#39;s executeable&#39;s belongs in sbin rather than bin.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with<br>
+&gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.<br>
+<br>
+I haven&#39;t noticed that. do you have an example?<br>
+<br>
+&gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.<br>
+<br>
+Agreed. But don&#39;t throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
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+<br>
+Message: 3<br>
+Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:47:21 -0400<br>
+From: andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in<br>
+        updates_testing<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4EB0E779.5020101@laposte.net">4EB0E779.5020101@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;; Format=&quot;flowed&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu a ?crit :<br>
+&gt; On Wednesday 02 November 2011 01:05, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; Since you have read the reference, you didn&#39;t notice that the option of<br>
+&gt;&gt; separate partitions is _not_ precluded ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some of the answers I got here suggested otherwize. if /usr needs to be mounted in order for the system to boot normally. Then have systemd mount it.<br>
+&gt; I do see that there might be some problems involved in solving it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+I think it is better to mount any separate /usr as early in the boot<br>
+process as possible.<br>
+<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; and never appreciated the gymnastics of different commands with<br>
+&gt;&gt; the same name to handle root/non-root permissions for certain commands.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; I haven&#39;t noticed that. do you have an example?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+See the attached file of duplications of names on my computer.<br>
+There are 76 duplications in the 4 directories.<br>
+Those ending in @ are symbolic links.  Such duplications will disappear<br>
+with the merging.<br>
+The others are mostly (if not all) scripts which link to a routine which<br>
+asks for the root password for certain commands, according to enabled<br>
+permissions.  If the permissions are enabled and the password correctly<br>
+entered, the user is rerouted to the initial command.  A less obscure<br>
+way of dealing with it would be better.<br>
+(I forget the details, but someone like tv or misc would know.)<br>
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; To me, avoiding unnecessary complication by design is a big plus.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Agreed. But don&#39;t throw the baby out with the water. ;-)=<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+If just changing initramfs to load any separate /usr partition will fix<br>
+it, I don&#39;t see that we are losing anything.<br>
+Although if someone like tmb can initially misunderstand the impact, I<br>
+guess anyone can.  (It took me a while.)<br>
+<br>
+Maybe it will be more trouble to make such an initramfs, but once it is<br>
+made, it should work nicely.  Without a special reason to have a<br>
+separate /usr, I would say that it is better to avoid it.<br>
+I see that ensuring that everything necessary to fully boot being<br>
+guaranteed to be available very early in the boot process is a big plus.<br>
+If /home isn&#39;t available, one can always login to root.  As well,<br>
+keeping /home on a separate partition has advantages for ensuring the<br>
+persistance of personal data and configuration in the event of<br>
+reformatting /.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Andr?<br>
+<br>
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+<br>
+Message: 4<br>
+Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:54:38 -0400<br>
+From: andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: [Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4EB0F73E.9060108@laposte.net">4EB0F73E.9060108@laposte.net</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br>
+<br>
+Hi everyone,<br>
+<br>
+We have a new packager, takashi, who has successfully mentored with jquelin.<br>
+<br>
+We now have 2 apprentice candidates with .rpm packaging experience, waiting for<br>
+a mentor.<br>
+<br>
+mcb30 (Michael Brown), who I introduced last week,<br>
+is a longtime Mandrake/Mandriva and now Mageia user who has maintained several<br>
+private RPM repos, and while waiting for a mentor has been making spec files<br>
+for some python applications.<br>
+<br>
+We also have<br>
+neocrust (Alexander Scherbakov),<br>
+who has experience maintaining packages for openSuse and Lunar Linux, as well<br>
+as translating to Russion, and doing documentation with the Gentoo Russion team.<br>
+<br>
+You can find more details at:<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+<br>
+Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks :-)<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+We now have 49 active packagers (maintaining at least one package), with<br>
+several who have yet to take a package.<br>
+We currently have about 40 apprentices.<br>
+Over 75% of packages have a maintainer.<br>
+<br>
+----<br>
+<br>
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an<br>
+apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+See also the section just above, on becoming a Mageia packager :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring#becoming_a_mageia_packager</a><br>
+<br>
+To find a mentor, you can also post to this list, or on IRC at freenode<br>
+#mageia-mentoring.<br>
+<br>
+Regards :-)<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Andr?<br>
+(Packager mentoring program coordinator)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 5<br>
+Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:45:10 +0100<br>
+From: Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: [Mageia-dev] i18n corrections in drak tools<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">201111020945.10325.oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset=&quot;us-ascii&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Hi there,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;d like to get all corrections made by i18n teams since the Mga1 release into<br>
+the distribution. Imho that is important because not all teams managed to<br>
+finish their translation work for the Mga1 freeze, and we were told at that<br>
+time, that we would be able to get our work into Mga1 via an update later on<br>
+and thus I told the teams to set a priority on the translation of the<br>
+installer po files, which couldn&#39;t be updated later.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+As I mentioned in <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784</a> I would propose<br>
+a &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot;. We could do a blog post calling people to actively<br>
+look for translation errors and file bug reports about them. I18n teams could<br>
+then fix as many of those as possible and commit the corrections to the &quot;1&quot;<br>
+branch of the drak tools svn (and also to cauldron if they are still present<br>
+there).<br>
+<br>
+What do you think?<br>
+Let&#39;s say &quot;i18n bug hunting day&quot; somewhen in the middle of next week and an<br>
+update of the drak tools for Mga1 arround december 1st?<br>
+<br>
+Oliver<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+End of Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 15, Issue 5<br>
+*****************************************<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Marco Antonio Benatto<br>Linux user ID:<font size="2"> #506236</font><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/3 Kristoffer Grundström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<p>Like the title says, I&#39;m wishing for a newbie mailinglist to ask newbie-questions like &quot;How do I become a root-user?&quot;. /Kristoffer</p>
+</blockquote></div>You only have mageia-discuss for that. All questions on Mageia and how to use it are welcome on.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/3 Kristoffer Grundström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<p>Like the title says, I&#39;m wishing for a newbie mailinglist to ask newbie-questions like &quot;How do I become a root-user?&quot;. /Kristoffer</p>
+</blockquote></div>You only have mageia-discuss for that. All questions on Mageia and how to use it are welcome on.<br>
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+<p>Like the title says, I&#39;m wishing for a newbie mailinglist to ask newbie-questions like &quot;How do I become a root-user?&quot;. /Kristoffer</p>
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+ Hi and congratulations to KDE4 mageia packaging team !<div><br></div><div> I am wondering if kde 4.7.x will land someday into mageia1 backport ?</div><div><br></div><div> Look, according to Mageia2 roadmap (see here <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</a>)</div>
+<div>mageia2 will be released on 04/04/2012. In the meantime, kde 4.8SC will be available since January 2012 (see here  <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule">http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule</a>). So we can expect that</div>
+<div>kde 4.8 SC will be available for mageia2, right ? In that case, why not backporting since now kde4.7.3 to mageia1 ? Kde 4.7 is already mature and well tested in cauldron so it will be a good point for mageia1 to propose it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div> So what it&#39;s your opinion about that ?</div><div><br></div><div>    JC<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/2 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Just to let you know that KDE SC 4.7.3 should land probably today on cauldron.<br>
+Everything is already on the svn :)<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+ Hi and congratulations to KDE4 mageia packaging team !<div><br></div><div> I am wondering if kde 4.7.x will land someday into mageia1 backport ?</div><div><br></div><div> Look, according to Mageia2 roadmap (see here <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</a>)</div>
+<div>mageia2 will be released on 04/04/2012. In the meantime, kde 4.8SC will be available since January 2012 (see here  <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule">http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule</a>). So we can expect that</div>
+<div>kde 4.8 SC will be available for mageia2, right ? In that case, why not backporting since now kde4.7.3 to mageia1 ? Kde 4.7 is already mature and well tested in cauldron so it will be a good point for mageia1 to propose it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div> So what it&#39;s your opinion about that ?</div><div><br></div><div>    JC<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/2 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Just to let you know that KDE SC 4.7.3 should land probably today on cauldron.<br>
+Everything is already on the svn :)<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/3 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/11/3 Dark Charlot &lt;<a href="mailto:jcldc13@gmail.com">jcldc13@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;  Hi and congratulations to KDE4 mageia packaging team !<br>
+&gt;  I am wondering if kde 4.7.x will land someday into mageia1 backport ?<br>
+&gt;  Look, according to Mageia2 roadmap (see<br>
+&gt; here <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</a>)<br>
+&gt; mageia2 will be released on 04/04/2012. In the meantime, kde 4.8SC will be<br>
+&gt; available since January 2012 (see here<br>
+&gt;  <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule" target="_blank">http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule</a>). So we can<br>
+&gt; expect that<br>
+&gt; kde 4.8 SC will be available for mageia2, right ?<br>
+</div>Yep that&#39;s the idea.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; In that case, why not<br>
+&gt; backporting since now kde4.7.3 to mageia1 ? Kde 4.7 is already mature and<br>
+&gt; well tested in cauldron so it will be a good point for mageia1 to propose<br>
+&gt; it.<br>
+&gt;  So what it&#39;s your opinion about that ?<br>
+</div>If we need to backport something then in all case it would be better<br>
+to backport the 4.7.5 release just for avoid later the<br>
+« could you please backport 4.7.4 &amp; then 4.7.5 etc etc ».</blockquote><div><br></div><div> Well I am a profane in packaging and I do not know the amount of work to package a new kde 4.x.x release, but you seem to be very efficient in this task. Maybe I am wrong but kde packaging looks like now something more or less</div>
+<div>straightforward, I mean automatic ? So why not backporting since now and for every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people happy :).</div><div>One more time, I am not probably aware about the amount of work it implies.... Anyway thanks.</div>
+<div><br></div><div> </div></div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/3 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/11/3 Dark Charlot &lt;<a href="mailto:jcldc13@gmail.com">jcldc13@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;  Hi and congratulations to KDE4 mageia packaging team !<br>
+&gt;  I am wondering if kde 4.7.x will land someday into mageia1 backport ?<br>
+&gt;  Look, according to Mageia2 roadmap (see<br>
+&gt; here <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/07/17/mageia-2-release-cycle-support-and-planning/</a>)<br>
+&gt; mageia2 will be released on 04/04/2012. In the meantime, kde 4.8SC will be<br>
+&gt; available since January 2012 (see here<br>
+&gt;  <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule" target="_blank">http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule</a>). So we can<br>
+&gt; expect that<br>
+&gt; kde 4.8 SC will be available for mageia2, right ?<br>
+</div>Yep that&#39;s the idea.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; In that case, why not<br>
+&gt; backporting since now kde4.7.3 to mageia1 ? Kde 4.7 is already mature and<br>
+&gt; well tested in cauldron so it will be a good point for mageia1 to propose<br>
+&gt; it.<br>
+&gt;  So what it&#39;s your opinion about that ?<br>
+</div>If we need to backport something then in all case it would be better<br>
+to backport the 4.7.5 release just for avoid later the<br>
+« could you please backport 4.7.4 &amp; then 4.7.5 etc etc ».</blockquote><div><br></div><div> Well I am a profane in packaging and I do not know the amount of work to package a new kde 4.x.x release, but you seem to be very efficient in this task. Maybe I am wrong but kde packaging looks like now something more or less</div>
+<div>straightforward, I mean automatic ? So why not backporting since now and for every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people happy :).</div><div>One more time, I am not probably aware about the amount of work it implies.... Anyway thanks.</div>
+<div><br></div><div> </div></div>
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+
+<html>
+<head>
+<style type="text/css">
+@media screen and (max-width: 500px)
+{
+  #groups-footer-text {
+  padding-top:40px;
+  }
+}
+</style>
+</head>
+<body>
+<table id="groups-main-content" style="position:center;margin:0 25px 0 25px; auto;font-family:arial,sans-serif" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0">
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:18px">
+  <td height=18px></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-welcome-message" style="font-size:13px">
+  <td colspan=3>
+  <p>A google group on Mageia!</p>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:15px">
+  <td height=15px></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-about-this-group" style="font-size:13px">
+  <td colspan=3>
+  <p style="margin:0 0 2px 0; color:#222222;font-weight:bold;padding:0 0 0 0">À propos de ce groupe :</p>
+  <p>Here you can find all discuss about Mageia GNU/Linux use and/or developpement. English group moderated.</p>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:30px">
+  <td height=15px></td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<table id="groups-invite-button" style="position:center;margin:0 25px 0 25px; font-family:arial,sans-serif" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0>
+  <tr>
+  <td style="height:29px; width:152px; text-align:left;">
+  <a id="button" style="border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;padding:7px 15px;background-color:#498af2; color:#ffffff;font-size:11px;border:solid 1px #3079ed; font-weight:bold; white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none" href="http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/sub?s=O0o3gxQAAADMkcE08-KeBCXMKvFCNjWtT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&hl=fr&src=email">
+  Accepter cette invitation
+  </a>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0>
+  <tr id="groups-titlebar" style="height:30px">
+  <td id="groups-groupname"> </td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<div style="margin:30px 25px 20px 24px; padding-top:15px; border-top:1px solid #e5e5e5">
+  <a id="groups-logo" style="float:left; padding-right:20px; padding-top:7px " href="https://groups.google.com/?hl=fr">
+  <img src="https://groups.google.com/intl/fr/images/logos/groups_logo.png" alt="Visiter Google Groupes" height=25px/>
+  </a>
+  <p id="groups-footer-text" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#636363; font-size:11px">
+  <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/create?hl=fr&src=email">Démarrer</a> votre propre groupe,
+  <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out?hl=fr&src=email" ?>arrêter</a> les invitations de ce type,
+  ou <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/abuse?invite=YQAAAG2lpk2KAAAAI6DVLVcAAADDkDP8LykrT1Ylzj2KtiLvTlhuayc&hl=fr&src=email">signaler</a> un spam.
+  </p>
+</div>
+</body>
+</html>
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@@ -0,0 +1,61 @@
+
+<html>
+<head>
+<style type="text/css">
+@media screen and (max-width: 500px)
+{
+  #groups-footer-text {
+  padding-top:40px;
+  }
+}
+</style>
+</head>
+<body>
+<table id="groups-main-content" style="position:center;margin:0 25px 0 25px; auto;font-family:arial,sans-serif" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0">
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:18px">
+  <td height=18px></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-welcome-message" style="font-size:13px">
+  <td colspan=3>
+  <p>A google group on Mageia!</p>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:15px">
+  <td height=15px></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-about-this-group" style="font-size:13px">
+  <td colspan=3>
+  <p style="margin:0 0 2px 0; color:#222222;font-weight:bold;padding:0 0 0 0">À propos de ce groupe :</p>
+  <p>Here you can find all discuss about Mageia GNU/Linux use and/or developpement. English group moderated.</p>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:30px">
+  <td height=15px></td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<table id="groups-invite-button" style="position:center;margin:0 25px 0 25px; font-family:arial,sans-serif" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0>
+  <tr>
+  <td style="height:29px; width:152px; text-align:left;">
+  <a id="button" style="border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;padding:7px 15px;background-color:#498af2; color:#ffffff;font-size:11px;border:solid 1px #3079ed; font-weight:bold; white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none" href="http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/sub?s=O0o3gxQAAADMkcE08-KeBCXMKvFCNjWtT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&hl=fr&src=email">
+  Accepter cette invitation
+  </a>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0>
+  <tr id="groups-titlebar" style="height:30px">
+  <td id="groups-groupname"> </td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<div style="margin:30px 25px 20px 24px; padding-top:15px; border-top:1px solid #e5e5e5">
+  <a id="groups-logo" style="float:left; padding-right:20px; padding-top:7px " href="https://groups.google.com/?hl=fr">
+  <img src="https://groups.google.com/intl/fr/images/logos/groups_logo.png" alt="Visiter Google Groupes" height=25px/>
+  </a>
+  <p id="groups-footer-text" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#636363; font-size:11px">
+  <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/create?hl=fr&src=email">Démarrer</a> votre propre groupe,
+  <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out?hl=fr&src=email" ?>arrêter</a> les invitations de ce type,
+  ou <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/abuse?invite=YQAAAG2lpk2KAAAAI6DVLVcAAADDkDP8LykrT1Ylzj2KtiLvTlhuayc&hl=fr&src=email">signaler</a> un spam.
+  </p>
+</div>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/3 Claire Robinson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 03/11/11 12:46, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+John Balcaen skrev 3.11.2011 14:40:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2011/11/3 Dark Charlot&lt;<a href="mailto:jcldc13@gmail.com" target="_blank">jcldc13@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+So why not backporting since now and for<br>
+every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people<br>
+happy :).<br>
+</blockquote>
+*I* won&#39;t backport it as said earlier currently, i don&#39;t prevent<br>
+anyone to do it<br>
+but since KDE is *quite* important i&#39;m not sure it&#39;s wise to do it<br>
+currently<br>
+(cf above ).<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I dont think KDE 4.7 should be allowed to be put in official backport<br>
+repos, as backports is supported too, and we dont have enough manpower<br>
+to do proper QA for a big version upgrade.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Anybody interested in helping out with QA, I&#39;d be very pleased to provide more information :D<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Claire<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div> Well why not, if I can find spare time... but actually testing out kde 4.x.x for backporting sounds interesting. </div><div><br></div><div> JC</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/3 Claire Robinson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 03/11/11 12:46, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+John Balcaen skrev 3.11.2011 14:40:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2011/11/3 Dark Charlot&lt;<a href="mailto:jcldc13@gmail.com" target="_blank">jcldc13@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+So why not backporting since now and for<br>
+every kde 4.7.X release to mageia1, it will make a lot of people<br>
+happy :).<br>
+</blockquote>
+*I* won&#39;t backport it as said earlier currently, i don&#39;t prevent<br>
+anyone to do it<br>
+but since KDE is *quite* important i&#39;m not sure it&#39;s wise to do it<br>
+currently<br>
+(cf above ).<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I dont think KDE 4.7 should be allowed to be put in official backport<br>
+repos, as backports is supported too, and we dont have enough manpower<br>
+to do proper QA for a big version upgrade.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Anybody interested in helping out with QA, I&#39;d be very pleased to provide more information :D<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Claire<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div> Well why not, if I can find spare time... but actually testing out kde 4.x.x for backporting sounds interesting. </div><div><br></div><div> JC</div></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/12778233/attachment-0001.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/12778233/attachment-0001.bin
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+#!/bin/sh
+MODE=dist
+
+if [ $MODE = "dist" ]
+then	
+	SERV=http://azkar/upd-mga1
+else
+	SERV=file://home/pierre/upd-mga1
+fi
+
+if [ $HOSTTYPE = "x86_64" ]
+then
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "core update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/core/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "non-free update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/nonfree/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "tainted update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/tainted/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "core update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/core/updates
+else
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "core update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/core/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "non-free update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/nonfree/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "tainted update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/tainted/updates
+fi
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+#!/bin/sh
+# fait un miroir local des updates et le tient à jour
+
+SOURCE=ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/1
+DEST=/home/pierre/mga/upd-1/
+export TMPDIR=/tmp
+
+	[ ! -d $DEST ] && mkdir $DEST && chmod a+rx $DEST
+	[ ! -d $DEST ] && echo "Créez le répertoire $DEST" && exit 
+
+for NB in x86_64 i586
+	do
+	    [ ! -d $DEST/$NB ] && mkdir $DEST/$NB && chmod a+rx $DEST/$NB
+	    [ ! -d $DEST/$NB/media ] && mkdir $DEST/$NB/media && chmod a+rx $DEST/$NB/media
+	    for CNT in core nonfree tainted
+	    do
+		med=$NB/media/$CNT
+		[ ! -d $DEST/$med ] && mkdir $DEST/$med && chmod a+rx $DEST/$med
+		mir=$NB/media/$CNT/updates
+		[ ! -d $DEST/$mir ] && mkdir $DEST/$mir && chmod a+rx $DEST/$mir && echo "Répertoire $DEST/$mir créé"
+
+		echo -e "\n En cours : $mir"
+		mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/$mir $DEST/$mir
+	    done
+done
+
+echo "Miroirs $DEST à jour : `date`"
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/12778233/attachment-0003.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/12778233/attachment-0003.bin
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+#!/bin/sh
+MODE=dist
+
+if [ $MODE = "dist" ]
+then	
+	SERV=http://azkar/upd-mga1
+else
+	SERV=file://home/pierre/upd-mga1
+fi
+
+if [ $HOSTTYPE = "x86_64" ]
+then
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "core update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/core/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "non-free update azkar" $SERV/x86_64/media/nonfree/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "tainted update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/tainted/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "core update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/core/updates
+else
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "core update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/core/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "non-free update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/nonfree/updates
+  urpmi.addmedia --update "tainted update azkar" $SERV/i586/media/tainted/updates
+fi
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/12778233/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/12778233/attachment.bin
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index 000000000..37cd79146
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/12778233/attachment.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,28 @@
+#!/bin/sh
+# fait un miroir local des updates et le tient à jour
+
+SOURCE=ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/1
+DEST=/home/pierre/mga/upd-1/
+export TMPDIR=/tmp
+
+	[ ! -d $DEST ] && mkdir $DEST && chmod a+rx $DEST
+	[ ! -d $DEST ] && echo "Créez le répertoire $DEST" && exit 
+
+for NB in x86_64 i586
+	do
+	    [ ! -d $DEST/$NB ] && mkdir $DEST/$NB && chmod a+rx $DEST/$NB
+	    [ ! -d $DEST/$NB/media ] && mkdir $DEST/$NB/media && chmod a+rx $DEST/$NB/media
+	    for CNT in core nonfree tainted
+	    do
+		med=$NB/media/$CNT
+		[ ! -d $DEST/$med ] && mkdir $DEST/$med && chmod a+rx $DEST/$med
+		mir=$NB/media/$CNT/updates
+		[ ! -d $DEST/$mir ] && mkdir $DEST/$mir && chmod a+rx $DEST/$mir && echo "Répertoire $DEST/$mir créé"
+
+		echo -e "\n En cours : $mir"
+		mirrordir --no-chown $SOURCE/$mir $DEST/$mir
+	    done
+done
+
+echo "Miroirs $DEST à jour : `date`"
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/676c531b/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/676c531b/attachment-0001.html
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+<p><br>
+&gt;&gt; So it would be safe to push both to updates_testing, right ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think we should not provide a new version as update : it is in our policy!</p>
+<p>True, but the policy also mention exceptions, and this is mostly a bug fix release that fixes lots of crashes. That&#39;s why mikala  (not me) thought it would be a good idea to do the update in this case.</p>
+<p>Juancho </p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/676c531b/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111105/676c531b/attachment.html
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+<p><br>
+&gt;&gt; So it would be safe to push both to updates_testing, right ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think we should not provide a new version as update : it is in our policy!</p>
+<p>True, but the policy also mention exceptions, and this is mostly a bug fix release that fixes lots of crashes. That&#39;s why mikala  (not me) thought it would be a good idea to do the update in this case.</p>
+<p>Juancho </p>
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+<p><br>
+On Nov 5, 2011 7:25 PM, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; several crash fixes , memory leaks fix &amp;<br>
+&gt; corruption which can be a big problem for people using it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>44 crashes to be exact.</p>
+<p>Juancho </p>
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+<p><br>
+On Nov 5, 2011 7:25 PM, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; several crash fixes , memory leaks fix &amp;<br>
+&gt; corruption which can be a big problem for people using it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>44 crashes to be exact.</p>
+<p>Juancho </p>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/6 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Wiki migration to Mediawiki is now in progress and goes quite well.<br>
+Temporary wiki is now available in read-only mode to avoid loosing<br>
+information. It should take some more days before new wiki is<br>
+available.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for you comprehension<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br>GReat news Anne, thanks!!<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/6 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Wiki migration to Mediawiki is now in progress and goes quite well.<br>
+Temporary wiki is now available in read-only mode to avoid loosing<br>
+information. It should take some more days before new wiki is<br>
+available.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for you comprehension<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br>GReat news Anne, thanks!!<br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 22:13:53, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; i light of the idea behind the rules, i would say that this package could</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; be a  either an update or a backport... maybe a ruling for only this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; package is required to do so?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-size:x-large; font-weight:600;">6 features introduced in Kdenlive 0.8.2</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't like this idea, because a new version is also new features, and so new bugs. What if we end with a new outstanding bug that is more important than the old crashes? We will have to revert back, using an epoch.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes we are waiting for backports for a long time, but it is upstream responsibility to maintain released versions. They don't do that, so we only should send new ( mlt + kdenlive + openshot) to backports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I feel I know this problem well, as I worked a lot with kdenlive : http://lachuteduneplume.free.fr/?Technical</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If an update had bumped me to 0.6, my work would have been lost, this is NOT what I expect from an update.</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 7 novembre 2011 22:13:53, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; i light of the idea behind the rules, i would say that this package could</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; be a  either an update or a backport... maybe a ruling for only this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; package is required to do so?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-size:x-large; font-weight:600;">6 features introduced in Kdenlive 0.8.2</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't like this idea, because a new version is also new features, and so new bugs. What if we end with a new outstanding bug that is more important than the old crashes? We will have to revert back, using an epoch.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes we are waiting for backports for a long time, but it is upstream responsibility to maintain released versions. They don't do that, so we only should send new ( mlt + kdenlive + openshot) to backports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I feel I know this problem well, as I worked a lot with kdenlive : http://lachuteduneplume.free.fr/?Technical</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If an update had bumped me to 0.6, my work would have been lost, this is NOT what I expect from an update.</p></body></html>
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+2011/11/6 D.Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:34 PM,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Revision 164539 Author kharec Date 2011-11-06 20:34:22 +0100 (Sun, 06 Nov<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2011)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; - add P1 to fix #2427<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Modified Paths<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; updates/1/findutils/current/SPECS/findutils.spec<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; please explain what it fixes too instead or just providing the bug number.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>This was also discussed @IRC with kharec. However, I propedited the<br>
+commit msg when I fixed the patch.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Thanks.<br>
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+2011/11/6 D.Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:34 PM,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Revision 164539 Author kharec Date 2011-11-06 20:34:22 +0100 (Sun, 06 Nov<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2011)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; - add P1 to fix #2427<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Modified Paths<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; updates/1/findutils/current/SPECS/findutils.spec<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; please explain what it fixes too instead or just providing the bug number.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>This was also discussed @IRC with kharec. However, I propedited the<br>
+commit msg when I fixed the patch.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Thanks.<br>
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+Hi fwang,<br><br>As far I&#39;m the maintainer of tar, can you ask me before pushing a new release? Now if there&#39;s bugs, can you assume them? <br>
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+Hi fwang,<br><br>As far I&#39;m the maintainer of tar, can you ask me before pushing a new release? Now if there&#39;s bugs, can you assume them? <br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Sandro CAZZANIGA <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Mahmut Bulut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com" target="_blank">mahmutbulut0@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi, my name is Mahmut. I want to be a packager for Mageia. I submitted my nick and other needed info to wiki. My nickname is regularlambda. How can i start to do something?<br>
+<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+Mahmut Bulut</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>I give you this page that can help you: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners</a><br>
+<br>Cheers.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>And <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</a> !<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Sandro CAZZANIGA <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Mahmut Bulut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com" target="_blank">mahmutbulut0@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi, my name is Mahmut. I want to be a packager for Mageia. I submitted my nick and other needed info to wiki. My nickname is regularlambda. How can i start to do something?<br>
+<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+Mahmut Bulut</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>I give you this page that can help you: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners</a><br>
+<br>Cheers.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>And <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</a> !<br>
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+<p>On 11/11/2011 10:17, Maarten Vanraes wrote:</p>
+<blockquote type="cite" style="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px solid; margin-left:5px; width:100%"><!-- html ignored --><!-- head ignored --><!-- meta ignored -->
+<pre>...
+A. provide both but with vendor preference
+making sure one of them both is preferred should be ok, since they conflict 
+anyway, if a user installs the non-preferred one, she knows what she's doing.
+( I think a note could be added here for warning purposes )
+
+B. only use mariadb anymore
+=&gt; That's the easiest and safest option...
+_IF_ mariadb works well. (which i'm sure we'll see in our testing)
+(IMHO, if it worked for libreoffice, i don't see why not for mariadb)
+
+
+any opinions? testings? problems?
+</pre>
+</blockquote>
+<p>I'm all for either of these. Especially B) if we can test it well enough.</p>
+<p>I rebuilt the package on mga1 without issues. Tests fine as well.</p>
+<p>Does anyone have any idea if the PBXT (Primebase) Storage Engine will be kept in MariaDB 5.5 (as it is in 5.1, 5.2, 5.3)?</p>
+<div>
+<pre>-- 
+Sam Bailey
+
+Cyprix Enterprises
+Web: cyprix.com.au
+Em: cyprix@cyprix.com.au
+Mb: 0425 796 308</pre>
+</div>
+</body></html>
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+<html><body>
+<p>On 11/11/2011 10:17, Maarten Vanraes wrote:</p>
+<blockquote type="cite" style="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px solid; margin-left:5px; width:100%"><!-- html ignored --><!-- head ignored --><!-- meta ignored -->
+<pre>...
+A. provide both but with vendor preference
+making sure one of them both is preferred should be ok, since they conflict 
+anyway, if a user installs the non-preferred one, she knows what she's doing.
+( I think a note could be added here for warning purposes )
+
+B. only use mariadb anymore
+=&gt; That's the easiest and safest option...
+_IF_ mariadb works well. (which i'm sure we'll see in our testing)
+(IMHO, if it worked for libreoffice, i don't see why not for mariadb)
+
+
+any opinions? testings? problems?
+</pre>
+</blockquote>
+<p>I'm all for either of these. Especially B) if we can test it well enough.</p>
+<p>I rebuilt the package on mga1 without issues. Tests fine as well.</p>
+<p>Does anyone have any idea if the PBXT (Primebase) Storage Engine will be kept in MariaDB 5.5 (as it is in 5.1, 5.2, 5.3)?</p>
+<div>
+<pre>-- 
+Sam Bailey
+
+Cyprix Enterprises
+Web: cyprix.com.au
+Em: cyprix@cyprix.com.au
+Mb: 0425 796 308</pre>
+</div>
+</body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 13:57, Sandro CAZZANIGA<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi guys,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; is mageia&#39;s check still working? It seems not updated since few days...<br>
+&gt; Maybe I&#39;m wrong.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I checked the various parts and it seems to be working.<br>
+<br>
+Do you have an example of outdated data?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Not actually, only pkg that has been packaged today.<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111115/3ed191fa/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111115/3ed191fa/attachment.html
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 13:57, Sandro CAZZANIGA<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi guys,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; is mageia&#39;s check still working? It seems not updated since few days...<br>
+&gt; Maybe I&#39;m wrong.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I checked the various parts and it seems to be working.<br>
+<br>
+Do you have an example of outdated data?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Not actually, only pkg that has been packaged today.<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111115/40d9b112/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111115/40d9b112/attachment-0001.html
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Mahmut Bulut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com">mahmutbulut0@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi, my name is Mahmut. I want to be a packager for Mageia. I submitted my nick and other needed info to wiki. My nickname is regularlambda. How can i start to do something?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Mahmut Bulut</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I give you this page that can help you: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners</a><br><br>Cheers.<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111115/40d9b112/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111115/40d9b112/attachment.html
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Mahmut Bulut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mahmutbulut0@gmail.com">mahmutbulut0@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi, my name is Mahmut. I want to be a packager for Mageia. I submitted my nick and other needed info to wiki. My nickname is regularlambda. How can i start to do something?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Mahmut Bulut</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I give you this page that can help you: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_for_beginners</a><br><br>Cheers.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Sandro CAZZANIGA <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+On 14 November 2011 21:20, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; In responce to a post on <a href="http://perlmonks.org" target="_blank">perlmonks.org</a>, a module for counting the number of<br>
+&gt; CPU&#39;s on a system. Support has now also been added for type of CPU and<br>
+&gt; clock speed. While much of the code is from UNIX::Processors, win32 support<br>
+&gt; has been added (but not tested).<br>
+<br>
+this has nothing to do in description:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; v0.45 - Corrected solaris support (Thanks Cloyce)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; EXPORT<br>
+&gt;    None by default.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br><div class="im">
+--<br>
+&gt; R : Tu vois !<br>
+&gt; &gt; Q : Tu crois ?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; R : Ça casse l&#39;ordre chronologique de l&#39;échange.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi répondre au dessus est-il gênant ?<br>
+</div></font></span></blockquote></div><br>OK I fix it.<br></blockquote><div><br><br>Done :) <br></div></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 Sandro CAZZANIGA <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+On 14 November 2011 21:20, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; In responce to a post on <a href="http://perlmonks.org" target="_blank">perlmonks.org</a>, a module for counting the number of<br>
+&gt; CPU&#39;s on a system. Support has now also been added for type of CPU and<br>
+&gt; clock speed. While much of the code is from UNIX::Processors, win32 support<br>
+&gt; has been added (but not tested).<br>
+<br>
+this has nothing to do in description:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; v0.45 - Corrected solaris support (Thanks Cloyce)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; EXPORT<br>
+&gt;    None by default.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br><div class="im">
+--<br>
+&gt; R : Tu vois !<br>
+&gt; &gt; Q : Tu crois ?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; R : Ça casse l&#39;ordre chronologique de l&#39;échange.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi répondre au dessus est-il gênant ?<br>
+</div></font></span></blockquote></div><br>OK I fix it.<br></blockquote><div><br><br>Done :) <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On 14 November 2011 21:20, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; In responce to a post on <a href="http://perlmonks.org" target="_blank">perlmonks.org</a>, a module for counting the number of<br>
+&gt; CPU&#39;s on a system. Support has now also been added for type of CPU and<br>
+&gt; clock speed. While much of the code is from UNIX::Processors, win32 support<br>
+&gt; has been added (but not tested).<br>
+<br>
+this has nothing to do in description:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; v0.45 - Corrected solaris support (Thanks Cloyce)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; EXPORT<br>
+&gt;    None by default.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+&gt; R : Tu vois !<br>
+&gt; &gt; Q : Tu crois ?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; R : Ça casse l&#39;ordre chronologique de l&#39;échange.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi répondre au dessus est-il gênant ?<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>OK I fix it.<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On 14 November 2011 21:20, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; In responce to a post on <a href="http://perlmonks.org" target="_blank">perlmonks.org</a>, a module for counting the number of<br>
+&gt; CPU&#39;s on a system. Support has now also been added for type of CPU and<br>
+&gt; clock speed. While much of the code is from UNIX::Processors, win32 support<br>
+&gt; has been added (but not tested).<br>
+<br>
+this has nothing to do in description:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; v0.45 - Corrected solaris support (Thanks Cloyce)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; EXPORT<br>
+&gt;    None by default.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+&gt; R : Tu vois !<br>
+&gt; &gt; Q : Tu crois ?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; R : Ça casse l&#39;ordre chronologique de l&#39;échange.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi répondre au dessus est-il gênant ?<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>OK I fix it.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On 14 November 2011 21:30, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; This module implements a Pipeline multithreading model. Several concurrent threads are started -- one for each subroutine in the pipeline. The subs and other MultiThread objects are daisy-chained together by queues. The output queue of one step in the pipeline is the input queue of the following step.<br>
+
+<br>
+Too long unwrapped description<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Fix submitted.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On 14 November 2011 21:30, Mageia Team &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; This module implements a Pipeline multithreading model. Several concurrent threads are started -- one for each subroutine in the pipeline. The subs and other MultiThread objects are daisy-chained together by queues. The output queue of one step in the pipeline is the input queue of the following step.<br>
+
+<br>
+Too long unwrapped description<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Fix submitted.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 jcc <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:colette.jc@orange.fr">colette.jc@orange.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I would like to contribute to the production of rpm packages.<br>
+I adapted ImageJ spec file to mageia<br>
+What form do I send files to the list?<br>
+<br>
+Best regards, jc<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Just open a bug report with the name of the package in package request and join your spec file. A packager will probably add it to cauldron :)<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/15 jcc <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:colette.jc@orange.fr">colette.jc@orange.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I would like to contribute to the production of rpm packages.<br>
+I adapted ImageJ spec file to mageia<br>
+What form do I send files to the list?<br>
+<br>
+Best regards, jc<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Just open a bug report with the name of the package in package request and join your spec file. A packager will probably add it to cauldron :)<br>
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+Hi guys,<br><br>is mageia&#39;s check still working? It seems not updated since few days...<br>Maybe I&#39;m wrong.<br><br>Cheers.<br>
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+Hi guys,<br><br>is mageia&#39;s check still working? It seems not updated since few days...<br>Maybe I&#39;m wrong.<br><br>Cheers.<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 16/11/2011 10:44, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4EC38611.1040608@gmail.com" type="cite">Le
+      16/11/2011 00:11, jcc a écrit :
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Hi,
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        I do not quite understand why with BuildRequires and Requires,
+        it is
+        <br>
+        sometimes necessary to place a pkgconfig(any_lib) instead of
+        simply
+        <br>
+        any_libin the spec file.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      If you have a dependency for any_lib, you'll only get the runtime
+      part of the lib. If you need to build something with the lib,
+      you'll need the buildtime part of the lib, which is generally
+      isolated in the -devel package. Hence the need for a build
+      dependency of either any_lib-devel (always present), or
+      pkgconfig(any_lib), which is a virtual package automatically
+      generated by rpm if a pkgconfig file is present.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    <div style="width: 100%;"><br>
+    </div>
+    <div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell">
+      <div dir="ltr" style=""><span id="result_box" class="short_text"
+          lang="en"><span class="hps">I thank you for</span> <span
+            class="hps">these explanations.</span><br>
+          <br>
+          <span class="hps">Sincerely, J.-C.<br>
+          </span></span></div>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111116/d050d796/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111116/d050d796/attachment.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 16/11/2011 10:44, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4EC38611.1040608@gmail.com" type="cite">Le
+      16/11/2011 00:11, jcc a écrit :
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Hi,
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        I do not quite understand why with BuildRequires and Requires,
+        it is
+        <br>
+        sometimes necessary to place a pkgconfig(any_lib) instead of
+        simply
+        <br>
+        any_libin the spec file.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      If you have a dependency for any_lib, you'll only get the runtime
+      part of the lib. If you need to build something with the lib,
+      you'll need the buildtime part of the lib, which is generally
+      isolated in the -devel package. Hence the need for a build
+      dependency of either any_lib-devel (always present), or
+      pkgconfig(any_lib), which is a virtual package automatically
+      generated by rpm if a pkgconfig file is present.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    <div style="width: 100%;"><br>
+    </div>
+    <div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell">
+      <div dir="ltr" style=""><span id="result_box" class="short_text"
+          lang="en"><span class="hps">I thank you for</span> <span
+            class="hps">these explanations.</span><br>
+          <br>
+          <span class="hps">Sincerely, J.-C.<br>
+          </span></span></div>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed;
+      font-size: 12px;" lang="x-unicode">On 14.11.2011 14:53, Buchan
+      Milne wrote:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+          <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">   ( and
+            given the discussion
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            on ml, it should be soon )
+            <br>
+          </blockquote>
+          When I ask the developers, they don't know if qemu will
+          include the
+          <br>
+          patch at all and when (now or after one year) and they
+          suggested to do
+          <br>
+          the openSUSE way (today the most recommended and full featured
+          Linux
+          <br>
+          distro for GNS3).
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        [...]
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">OK. So if
+          gns3 can't be fixed for the stable - than should be removed
+          <br>
+          from the repos (for ISOs is to late).
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          If we don't provide qemu patch, then gns3 should be removed
+          from
+          <br>
+          Cauldron as well.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          I believe removing GNS3 is better than keeping it broken and..
+          irritate
+          <br>
+          people (I don't count the opinion of our quality). Later some
+          3rd party
+          <br>
+          repos can provide GNS3 and its dependencies.
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        You seem to imply that the only use of GNS3 is with this qemu
+        patch.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      It's possible to simulate and play without qemu.
+      (btw newer alpha release version supports in the same way
+      VirtualBox)<br>
+      <br>
+      It should be "Suggested" by GNS3, but then what is the idea of
+      suggesting qemu that isn't working at all? I simply don't know why
+      to distribute a program that provides support in GUI for something
+      that's not working.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      People can try to waste their time and configure qemuwrapper with
+      our qemu... it's just a matter of time for a bugrequest on our
+      bugzilla.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      In my opinion if we provide an application with so exposed
+      (visible) support for working with qemu and we don't provide qemu
+      itself then our quality of packages get lower.
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">But I used
+        GNS3 with just dynamips, and this issue of GNS3 not being usable
+        at
+        <br>
+        all due to missing dynamips can really be solved quite quickly
+        just by
+        <br>
+        shipping dynamips to updates.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      Yes.
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">But, it looks
+        like someone blindly imported gns3 and dynagen from Mandriva
+        <br>
+        without even understanding the use of these tools:
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        $ rpm -q --suggests dynagen
+        <br>
+        dynamips&gt;= 0.2.8
+        <br>
+        xterm
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        (dynamips isn't explicitly required to be installed on the host
+        with gns3 or
+        <br>
+        dynagen, as the hypervisor can be run on a different host than
+        dynagen/GNS3).
+        <br>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      In theory yes.
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Regards,
+        <br>
+        Buchan
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed;
+      font-size: 12px;" lang="x-unicode">On 14.11.2011 14:53, Buchan
+      Milne wrote:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+          <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">   ( and
+            given the discussion
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            on ml, it should be soon )
+            <br>
+          </blockquote>
+          When I ask the developers, they don't know if qemu will
+          include the
+          <br>
+          patch at all and when (now or after one year) and they
+          suggested to do
+          <br>
+          the openSUSE way (today the most recommended and full featured
+          Linux
+          <br>
+          distro for GNS3).
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        [...]
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">OK. So if
+          gns3 can't be fixed for the stable - than should be removed
+          <br>
+          from the repos (for ISOs is to late).
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          If we don't provide qemu patch, then gns3 should be removed
+          from
+          <br>
+          Cauldron as well.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          I believe removing GNS3 is better than keeping it broken and..
+          irritate
+          <br>
+          people (I don't count the opinion of our quality). Later some
+          3rd party
+          <br>
+          repos can provide GNS3 and its dependencies.
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        You seem to imply that the only use of GNS3 is with this qemu
+        patch.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      It's possible to simulate and play without qemu.
+      (btw newer alpha release version supports in the same way
+      VirtualBox)<br>
+      <br>
+      It should be "Suggested" by GNS3, but then what is the idea of
+      suggesting qemu that isn't working at all? I simply don't know why
+      to distribute a program that provides support in GUI for something
+      that's not working.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      People can try to waste their time and configure qemuwrapper with
+      our qemu... it's just a matter of time for a bugrequest on our
+      bugzilla.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      In my opinion if we provide an application with so exposed
+      (visible) support for working with qemu and we don't provide qemu
+      itself then our quality of packages get lower.
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">But I used
+        GNS3 with just dynamips, and this issue of GNS3 not being usable
+        at
+        <br>
+        all due to missing dynamips can really be solved quite quickly
+        just by
+        <br>
+        shipping dynamips to updates.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      Yes.
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">But, it looks
+        like someone blindly imported gns3 and dynagen from Mandriva
+        <br>
+        without even understanding the use of these tools:
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        $ rpm -q --suggests dynagen
+        <br>
+        dynamips&gt;= 0.2.8
+        <br>
+        xterm
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        (dynamips isn't explicitly required to be installed on the host
+        with gns3 or
+        <br>
+        dynagen, as the hypervisor can be run on a different host than
+        dynagen/GNS3).
+        <br>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      In theory yes.
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Regards,
+        <br>
+        Buchan
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p>It is wanted, because we default to oxygen gtk-style, which is hardcoded in gtk&#39;s configuration files and source code.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-11-18 下�3:52，&quot;eatdirt&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dirteat@gmail.com">dirteat@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+trying to remove oxygen-gtk triggers the removal of 300 packages because it seems to be required by gtk+2.0.<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t think it is the case, shall I open a bug report if true?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Chris.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>It is wanted, because we default to oxygen gtk-style, which is hardcoded in gtk&#39;s configuration files and source code.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-11-18 下�3:52，&quot;eatdirt&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dirteat@gmail.com">dirteat@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+trying to remove oxygen-gtk triggers the removal of 300 packages because it seems to be required by gtk+2.0.<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t think it is the case, shall I open a bug report if true?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Chris.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hello All,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I am new to Mageia. I want to contribute here. I am C++ developer by profession.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I can maintain few packages, create/maintain some KDE applications. Can some one guide me to right way?<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'>Regards,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Raghu Nayak<br /> 
+http://www.openguru.com/</font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hello All,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I am new to Mageia. I want to contribute here. I am C++ developer by profession.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I can maintain few packages, create/maintain some KDE applications. Can some one guide me to right way?<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'>Regards,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Raghu Nayak<br /> 
+http://www.openguru.com/</font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span></span></span>
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+hi,<br><br>If someone have the time in the afternoon, we have a little bug in /usr/binxspp (which is a part of perl-ExtUtils-XSpp):<br><br><i>/usr/bin/xspp : /usr/bin/perl5.14.1 : mauvais interpréteur: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type</i><br>
+<br>As you can see, it&#39;s just a bad interpreter error. I think that we can replace it by <i>#!/usr/bin/perl</i> (I can do it myself, but I am at the University today, so only http protocol can go in/out ...). <br><br>
+Thanks.<br>
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+<br>As you can see, it&#39;s just a bad interpreter error. I think that we can replace it by <i>#!/usr/bin/perl</i> (I can do it myself, but I am at the University today, so only http protocol can go in/out ...). <br><br>
+Thanks.<br>
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+    On 21.11.2011 00:57, Raghu Nayak wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20111120235757.210820@gmx.com" type="cite"><span
+        style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Hello
+          All,<br>
+          <br>
+          I am new to Mageia. I want to contribute here.<span
+            id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family: Verdana;
+              font-size: 12px;"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span></span></span>
+    </blockquote>
+    Feel free to register yourself<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</a><br>
+  </body>
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+    On 21.11.2011 00:57, Raghu Nayak wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20111120235757.210820@gmx.com" type="cite"><span
+        style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Hello
+          All,<br>
+          <br>
+          I am new to Mageia. I want to contribute here.<span
+            id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family: Verdana;
+              font-size: 12px;"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span></span></span>
+    </blockquote>
+    Feel free to register yourself<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 09:57:20, Guillaume Rousse a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le 21/11/2011 01:51, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; in short: let rpmdrake show this short description (which looks more or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; less like the current name, but clearer) where the current name is now</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; and i'm ok with this proposal.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Better formulation: let's use different strings for different purposes,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; instead of a single generic media 'name' with unclear semantic:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - an identifier for computer, without any metacharacter, to be used in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; command line</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - a description for humans, to be displayed in GUIs, without any kind of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; character restriction</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">That's it :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le lundi 21 novembre 2011 09:57:20, Guillaume Rousse a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le 21/11/2011 01:51, Maarten Vanraes a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; in short: let rpmdrake show this short description (which looks more or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; less like the current name, but clearer) where the current name is now</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; and i'm ok with this proposal.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Better formulation: let's use different strings for different purposes,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; instead of a single generic media 'name' with unclear semantic:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - an identifier for computer, without any metacharacter, to be used in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; command line</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - a description for humans, to be displayed in GUIs, without any kind of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; character restriction</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">That's it :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Thanks<br><br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Original message-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>From: </b>Thomas Backlund &lt;tmb@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>To: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Sent: </b>Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:46:02 GMT+00:00<b><br>Subject: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg<br><br></div>Colin Guthrie skrev 22.11.2011 13:39:<br>> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 21/11/11 22:07 did gyre and gimble:<br>>> Well I can't access this URL:<br>>> <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg</a>/<br>>><br>>> so I presume all is well :)<br>><br>> OK, so someone still needs to drop the actual built binaries.<br>><br><br>dropped from primary mirror.<br><br>--<br>Thomas<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Thanks<br><br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Original message-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>From: </b>Thomas Backlund &lt;tmb@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>To: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Sent: </b>Tue, Nov 22, 2011 11:46:02 GMT+00:00<b><br>Subject: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] drop php-ffmpeg<br><br></div>Colin Guthrie skrev 22.11.2011 13:39:<br>> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 21/11/11 22:07 did gyre and gimble:<br>>> Well I can't access this URL:<br>>> <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/php-ffmpeg</a>/<br>>><br>>> so I presume all is well :)<br>><br>> OK, so someone still needs to drop the actual built binaries.<br>><br><br>dropped from primary mirror.<br><br>--<br>Thomas<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/23 Kamil Rytarowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 23.11.2011 07:35, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Please remove the package abuse_sdl, I remembered after I imported<br>
+that &quot;_&quot; shouldn&#39;t be used on the name of a package.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+</div></div><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_<u></u>package_from_SVN.3F</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Oh, so you want to keep it anyway in a corner. Sorry.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/23 Kamil Rytarowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 23.11.2011 07:35, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Please remove the package abuse_sdl, I remembered after I imported<br>
+that &quot;_&quot; shouldn&#39;t be used on the name of a package.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+</div></div><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_<u></u>package_from_SVN.3F</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Oh, so you want to keep it anyway in a corner. Sorry.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/23 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Please remove the package abuse_sdl, I remembered after I imported<br>
+that &quot;_&quot; shouldn&#39;t be used on the name of a package.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Maybe it&#39;s a silly question, but can&#39;t you do it with svn rm? <br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/23 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Please remove the package abuse_sdl, I remembered after I imported<br>
+that &quot;_&quot; shouldn&#39;t be used on the name of a package.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Maybe it&#39;s a silly question, but can&#39;t you do it with svn rm? <br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/23 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Oh, so you want to keep it anyway in a corner. Sorry.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>No, I want to remove it completely because I imported it with the<br>
+wrong name and just imported it again with the correct name (abuse-sdl<br>
+instead of abuse_sdl). But indeed I can use svn rm, I didn&#39;t knew that<br>
+any packager could do it. I just removed it, thanks for the tip.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Well we talk about svn rm so.<br>If you are a full-packager, you can do it yourself I think.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/23 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_svn#How_to_drop_a_package_from_SVN.3F</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Oh, so you want to keep it anyway in a corner. Sorry.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>No, I want to remove it completely because I imported it with the<br>
+wrong name and just imported it again with the correct name (abuse-sdl<br>
+instead of abuse_sdl). But indeed I can use svn rm, I didn&#39;t knew that<br>
+any packager could do it. I just removed it, thanks for the tip.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Well we talk about svn rm so.<br>If you are a full-packager, you can do it yourself I think.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/24 Kamil Rytarowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 24.11.2011 00:36, andre999 wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Kamil Rytarowski a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+As a maintainer of pastebin ( <a href="http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/" target="_blank">http://raphael.slinckx.net/<u></u>files/</a> )my proposition is to drop it, because:<br>
+- it&#39;s redundand for better&amp;newer&amp;more featured wgetpaste<br>
+- it doesn&#39;t seem to be updated upstream for years<br>
+<br>
+I can maintain it, but I would like to know that someone it really needs. I don&#39;t see any rational reason to ship it - wgetpaste fully supercedes it.<br>
+<br>
+In its place (or next to it) I&#39;ve imported susepaste. It&#39;s well supported upstream and also supports screenshot (of a single window or full-screen) paste feature.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+In general that sounds good.<br>
+<br>
+Being only a user of pastebins, I have some concerns about flexibility of the width.  Normally when using a pastebin, one wants to make reference to another window.  Having a pastebin with flexible width is a big plus.  (Like the old wiki.)<br>
+
+<br>
+The reference you give redirects to <a href="http://dpaste.com" target="_blank">dpaste.com</a>, which wastes width on the large left margin, as well as the fixed width of the body.<br>
+(<a href="http://dpaste.com" target="_blank">dpaste.com</a> is better than <a href="http://pastebin.com" target="_blank">pastebin.com</a>, which has a much larger fixed width.)<br>
+<br>
+A much better pastebin is Lodgit (<a href="http://paste.pocoo.org" target="_blank">paste.pocoo.org</a>), which has small left/right margins, and fully flexible width.<br>
+Another plus is a large number of file types.  (Conveniently ranged in alphabetical order.)<br>
+They list the software used for their site at <a href="http://paste.pocoo.org/about/" target="_blank">http://paste.pocoo.org/about/</a> (near the bottom of the page).<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Thank you for your feedback!<br>
+wgetpaste supports multiple pastebins, the result of the &quot;-S&quot; command is:<br>
+$ wgetpaste -S<br>
+Services supported: (case sensitive):<br>
+   Name:    | Url:<br>
+   =========|=================<br>
+    ca      | <a href="http://pastebin.ca/" target="_blank">http://pastebin.ca/</a><br>
+    codepad | <a href="http://codepad.org/" target="_blank">http://codepad.org/</a><br>
+    dpaste  | <a href="http://dpaste.com/" target="_blank">http://dpaste.com/</a><br>
+    osl     | <a href="http://pastebin.osuosl.org/" target="_blank">http://pastebin.osuosl.org/</a><br>
+   *pocoo   | <a href="http://paste.pocoo.org/" target="_blank">http://paste.pocoo.org/</a><br>
+<br>
+And pastebin supports <a href="http://en.pastebin.ca/" target="_blank">http://en.pastebin.ca/</a><div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I don&#39;t know how that compares to wgetpaste or susepaste, but thought you might like to consider it.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+I&#39;m not sure Fedora Paste or openSUSE Paste are better than the previous ones, but I would ship them (and I will maintain them), because of the constant support from the upstream.<br>
+<br>
++ the handy screenshot feature from openSUSE!<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Regards :)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>Now we need <a href="http://pastebin.mageia.org">pastebin.mageia.org</a> :)<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/24 Kamil Rytarowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 24.11.2011 00:36, andre999 wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Kamil Rytarowski a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+As a maintainer of pastebin ( <a href="http://raphael.slinckx.net/files/" target="_blank">http://raphael.slinckx.net/<u></u>files/</a> )my proposition is to drop it, because:<br>
+- it&#39;s redundand for better&amp;newer&amp;more featured wgetpaste<br>
+- it doesn&#39;t seem to be updated upstream for years<br>
+<br>
+I can maintain it, but I would like to know that someone it really needs. I don&#39;t see any rational reason to ship it - wgetpaste fully supercedes it.<br>
+<br>
+In its place (or next to it) I&#39;ve imported susepaste. It&#39;s well supported upstream and also supports screenshot (of a single window or full-screen) paste feature.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+In general that sounds good.<br>
+<br>
+Being only a user of pastebins, I have some concerns about flexibility of the width.  Normally when using a pastebin, one wants to make reference to another window.  Having a pastebin with flexible width is a big plus.  (Like the old wiki.)<br>
+
+<br>
+The reference you give redirects to <a href="http://dpaste.com" target="_blank">dpaste.com</a>, which wastes width on the large left margin, as well as the fixed width of the body.<br>
+(<a href="http://dpaste.com" target="_blank">dpaste.com</a> is better than <a href="http://pastebin.com" target="_blank">pastebin.com</a>, which has a much larger fixed width.)<br>
+<br>
+A much better pastebin is Lodgit (<a href="http://paste.pocoo.org" target="_blank">paste.pocoo.org</a>), which has small left/right margins, and fully flexible width.<br>
+Another plus is a large number of file types.  (Conveniently ranged in alphabetical order.)<br>
+They list the software used for their site at <a href="http://paste.pocoo.org/about/" target="_blank">http://paste.pocoo.org/about/</a> (near the bottom of the page).<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Thank you for your feedback!<br>
+wgetpaste supports multiple pastebins, the result of the &quot;-S&quot; command is:<br>
+$ wgetpaste -S<br>
+Services supported: (case sensitive):<br>
+   Name:    | Url:<br>
+   =========|=================<br>
+    ca      | <a href="http://pastebin.ca/" target="_blank">http://pastebin.ca/</a><br>
+    codepad | <a href="http://codepad.org/" target="_blank">http://codepad.org/</a><br>
+    dpaste  | <a href="http://dpaste.com/" target="_blank">http://dpaste.com/</a><br>
+    osl     | <a href="http://pastebin.osuosl.org/" target="_blank">http://pastebin.osuosl.org/</a><br>
+   *pocoo   | <a href="http://paste.pocoo.org/" target="_blank">http://paste.pocoo.org/</a><br>
+<br>
+And pastebin supports <a href="http://en.pastebin.ca/" target="_blank">http://en.pastebin.ca/</a><div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I don&#39;t know how that compares to wgetpaste or susepaste, but thought you might like to consider it.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+I&#39;m not sure Fedora Paste or openSUSE Paste are better than the previous ones, but I would ship them (and I will maintain them), because of the constant support from the upstream.<br>
+<br>
++ the handy screenshot feature from openSUSE!<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Regards :)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>Now we need <a href="http://pastebin.mageia.org">pastebin.mageia.org</a> :)<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    FYI:<br>
+    <br>
+    -------- Originele bericht --------
+    <table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellpadding="0"
+      cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Onderwerp:
+          </th>
+          <td>[Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom
+            talks and lightning talks</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Datum: </th>
+          <td>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:52:57 +0100</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Van: </th>
+          <td>Romain d'Alverny <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rda@mageia.org">&lt;rda@mageia.org&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Antwoord-naar:
+          </th>
+          <td>Mageia general discussions
+            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Aan: </th>
+          <td>Mageia general discussions
+            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>Hi guys,
+
+FOSDEM is calling! (4-5 February, in Brussels, Belgium)
+
+And this will be the time:
+ - we meet Europe-wide (and more);
+ - we can handle a booth to demonstrate Mageia;
+ - lots of cool people and cool talks happen to happen;
+ - we hold our annual general assembly (with a moral and financial report);
+ - 1/3rd of the board is renewed - there are 6 board members, so that
+makes for 2 people to be elected among current Council members; see
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org#Mageia_Board">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org#Mageia_Board</a>
+ - council should be re-elected (that is, team leaders re-elected).
+
+So.
+ - who will be there? (I will)
+ - who would like to act there as a Mageia member? (booth, conference)
+ - what do we need?
+
+Romain
+
+---------- Message transf&eacute;r&eacute; ----------
+De&nbsp;: "Mattias &amp;apos;Tias&amp;apos; Guns" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mguns@fosdem.org">&lt;mguns@fosdem.org&gt;</a>
+Date&nbsp;: 16 nov. 2011 10:53
+Objet&nbsp;: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+&Agrave;&nbsp;: "Fosdem Announce" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fosdem@lists.fosdem.org">&lt;fosdem@lists.fosdem.org&gt;</a>
+
+Dear Hackers,
+
+We hereby invite any and all open source projects to participate in
+FOSDEM 2012 by manning a stand for the weekend, by giving a talk in a
+devroom or by giving a 15 minute talk in our lightning talk room.
+
+See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation</a>
+on how to submit proposals.
+
+
+* Manning a stand
+We offer open source projects a place for a stand in the hallways.
+Stands can be used to share information, demo software, sell
+merchandising, give away goodies and so forth.
+Stands allow projects to present themselves to the visitors in a more
+personal fashion.
+
+See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-stands">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-stands</a> for more details
+
+
+* Talking in a devroom
+We will be hosting 25 (!) different devrooms, covering a broader
+spectrum of the open source landscape than any year before.
+
+The accepted devrooms are: Ada -- BSD licensed operating systems --
+Configuration and Systems Management -- Cross Desktop -- Distribution
+Miniconf -- Embedded -- Free Java -- Graph Processing -- Hardware
+Security and Cryptography -- JBoss.org -- Legal Issues -- LibreOffice
+-- Mono -- Mozilla -- Multiserver -- microkernel-based operating
+systems -- MySQL and Friends -- Open Mobile Linux -- Open Source Game
+Development -- Open Source Telephony -- Open Source Virtualization and
+Cloud -- Perl -- PostgreSQL -- Smalltalk -- World of GNUstep -- X.org
+and OpenICC
+
+See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation</a> for the list of
+announcements or contact <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:devrooms@fosdem.org">devrooms@fosdem.org</a> for a contact address.
+
+
+* Lightning talks
+We have a special lightning talk room for all remaining open source
+projects that do not fit in any of the devrooms.
+Lightning talks are short 15 minute focussed talks in which one person
+gets to present the project or an aspect of it.
+
+See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-lightningtalks">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-lightningtalks</a> for more details.
+
+
+FOSDEM is organized by and for the community, non-commercial and
+highly developer-oriented. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source
+developers a place to meet.
+Now is the time to become part of it.
+
+The FOSDEM organizers.
+_______________________________________________
+FOSDEM mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:FOSDEM@lists.fosdem.org">FOSDEM@lists.fosdem.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem">https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem</a>
+
+
+
+-- 
+Romain d'Alverny
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.org/">http://mageia.org/</a> board &amp; council member
+
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    FYI:<br>
+    <br>
+    -------- Originele bericht --------
+    <table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellpadding="0"
+      cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Onderwerp:
+          </th>
+          <td>[Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom
+            talks and lightning talks</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Datum: </th>
+          <td>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:52:57 +0100</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Van: </th>
+          <td>Romain d'Alverny <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rda@mageia.org">&lt;rda@mageia.org&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Antwoord-naar:
+          </th>
+          <td>Mageia general discussions
+            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">Aan: </th>
+          <td>Mageia general discussions
+            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>Hi guys,
+
+FOSDEM is calling! (4-5 February, in Brussels, Belgium)
+
+And this will be the time:
+ - we meet Europe-wide (and more);
+ - we can handle a booth to demonstrate Mageia;
+ - lots of cool people and cool talks happen to happen;
+ - we hold our annual general assembly (with a moral and financial report);
+ - 1/3rd of the board is renewed - there are 6 board members, so that
+makes for 2 people to be elected among current Council members; see
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org#Mageia_Board">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org#Mageia_Board</a>
+ - council should be re-elected (that is, team leaders re-elected).
+
+So.
+ - who will be there? (I will)
+ - who would like to act there as a Mageia member? (booth, conference)
+ - what do we need?
+
+Romain
+
+---------- Message transf&eacute;r&eacute; ----------
+De&nbsp;: "Mattias &amp;apos;Tias&amp;apos; Guns" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mguns@fosdem.org">&lt;mguns@fosdem.org&gt;</a>
+Date&nbsp;: 16 nov. 2011 10:53
+Objet&nbsp;: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+&Agrave;&nbsp;: "Fosdem Announce" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fosdem@lists.fosdem.org">&lt;fosdem@lists.fosdem.org&gt;</a>
+
+Dear Hackers,
+
+We hereby invite any and all open source projects to participate in
+FOSDEM 2012 by manning a stand for the weekend, by giving a talk in a
+devroom or by giving a 15 minute talk in our lightning talk room.
+
+See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation</a>
+on how to submit proposals.
+
+
+* Manning a stand
+We offer open source projects a place for a stand in the hallways.
+Stands can be used to share information, demo software, sell
+merchandising, give away goodies and so forth.
+Stands allow projects to present themselves to the visitors in a more
+personal fashion.
+
+See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-stands">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-stands</a> for more details
+
+
+* Talking in a devroom
+We will be hosting 25 (!) different devrooms, covering a broader
+spectrum of the open source landscape than any year before.
+
+The accepted devrooms are: Ada -- BSD licensed operating systems --
+Configuration and Systems Management -- Cross Desktop -- Distribution
+Miniconf -- Embedded -- Free Java -- Graph Processing -- Hardware
+Security and Cryptography -- JBoss.org -- Legal Issues -- LibreOffice
+-- Mono -- Mozilla -- Multiserver -- microkernel-based operating
+systems -- MySQL and Friends -- Open Mobile Linux -- Open Source Game
+Development -- Open Source Telephony -- Open Source Virtualization and
+Cloud -- Perl -- PostgreSQL -- Smalltalk -- World of GNUstep -- X.org
+and OpenICC
+
+See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-participation</a> for the list of
+announcements or contact <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:devrooms@fosdem.org">devrooms@fosdem.org</a> for a contact address.
+
+
+* Lightning talks
+We have a special lightning talk room for all remaining open source
+projects that do not fit in any of the devrooms.
+Lightning talks are short 15 minute focussed talks in which one person
+gets to present the project or an aspect of it.
+
+See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-lightningtalks">http://fosdem.org/2012/call-for-lightningtalks</a> for more details.
+
+
+FOSDEM is organized by and for the community, non-commercial and
+highly developer-oriented. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source
+developers a place to meet.
+Now is the time to become part of it.
+
+The FOSDEM organizers.
+_______________________________________________
+FOSDEM mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:FOSDEM@lists.fosdem.org">FOSDEM@lists.fosdem.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem">https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/fosdem</a>
+
+
+
+-- 
+Romain d'Alverny
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.org/">http://mageia.org/</a> board &amp; council member
+
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+hi, it seems that we have a little problem with the last updates of KDE components...<br><br># urpmi --auto-up<br>    <a href="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/20111125-062623-synthesis.hdlist.cz">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/20111125-062623-synthesis.hdlist.cz</a><br>
+média « Core Release » mis à jour                                              <br>le média « Core Updates » est à jour<br>le média « Nonfree Release » est à jour<br>le média « Nonfree Updates » est à jour<br>le média « Tainted Release » est à jour<br>
+le média « Tainted Updates » est à jour<br>Pour satisfaire les dépendances, les paquetages suivants vont être installés :<br>   Paquetage                      Version      Révision      Arch   <br>(média « Core Release »)<br>
+  curl                           7.23.1       2.mga2        i586    <br>  kactivitymanagerd              6.1          0.mga2        i586    <br>  kdebase4-runtime               4.7.3        2.mga2        i586    <br>  libaudit-devel                 2.1.3        1.mga2        i586    <br>
+  libaudit1                      2.1.3        1.mga2        i586    <br>  libauparse0                    2.1.3        1.mga2        i586    <br>  libcurl-devel                  7.23.1       2.mga2        i586    <br>  libcurl4                       7.23.1       2.mga2        i586    <br>
+  libkdefakes5                   4.7.3        3.mga2        i586    <br>  libkprintutils4                4.7.3        3.mga2        i586    <br>  libkpty4                       4.7.3        3.mga2        i586    <br>  libkunittest4                  4.7.3        3.mga2        i586    <br>
+  libnepomuksync4                4.7.3        2.mga2        i586    <br>un espace de 365Ko sera libéré.<br>6.8Mo de paquets seront récupérés.<br>Procéder à l&#39;installation des 13 paquetages ? (O/n) <br><br><br>installation de libaudit-devel-2.1.3-1.mga2.i586.rpm kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586.rpm libauparse0-2.1.3-1.mga2.i586.rpm libaudit1-2.1.3-1.mga2.i586.rpm libkpty4-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm libkprintutils4-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm libkunittest4-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm libkdefakes5-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm depuis /var/cache/urpmi/rpms<br>
+Préparation ...                  #############################################<br><br><br>installation de libnepomuksync4-4.7.3-2.mga2.i586.rpm kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2.i586.rpm libcurl4-7.23.1-2.mga2.i586.rpm curl-7.23.1-2.mga2.i586.rpm libcurl-devel-7.23.1-2.mga2.i586.rpm depuis /var/cache/urpmi/rpms<br>
+L&#39;installation a échoué :    le fichier /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd de l&#39;installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586<br>    le fichier /usr/share/kde4/services/kactivitymanagerd.desktop de l&#39;installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586<br>
+    kactivitymanagerd est nécessaire pour kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-2.mga2.i586<br># urpmi kactivitymanagerd<br>Marque kactivitymanagerd comme étant manuellement installé, il ne sera pas considéré comme un paquet orphelin<br>
+writing /var/lib/rpm/installed-through-deps.list<br><br><br>installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586.rpm depuis /var/cache/urpmi/rpms<br>Préparation ...                  #############################################<br>
+L&#39;installation a échoué :    le fichier /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd de l&#39;installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586<br>    le fichier /usr/share/kde4/services/kactivitymanagerd.desktop de l&#39;installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586<br>
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+hi, it seems that we have a little problem with the last updates of KDE components...<br><br># urpmi --auto-up<br>    <a href="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/20111125-062623-synthesis.hdlist.cz">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/core/release/media_info/20111125-062623-synthesis.hdlist.cz</a><br>
+média « Core Release » mis à jour                                              <br>le média « Core Updates » est à jour<br>le média « Nonfree Release » est à jour<br>le média « Nonfree Updates » est à jour<br>le média « Tainted Release » est à jour<br>
+le média « Tainted Updates » est à jour<br>Pour satisfaire les dépendances, les paquetages suivants vont être installés :<br>   Paquetage                      Version      Révision      Arch   <br>(média « Core Release »)<br>
+  curl                           7.23.1       2.mga2        i586    <br>  kactivitymanagerd              6.1          0.mga2        i586    <br>  kdebase4-runtime               4.7.3        2.mga2        i586    <br>  libaudit-devel                 2.1.3        1.mga2        i586    <br>
+  libaudit1                      2.1.3        1.mga2        i586    <br>  libauparse0                    2.1.3        1.mga2        i586    <br>  libcurl-devel                  7.23.1       2.mga2        i586    <br>  libcurl4                       7.23.1       2.mga2        i586    <br>
+  libkdefakes5                   4.7.3        3.mga2        i586    <br>  libkprintutils4                4.7.3        3.mga2        i586    <br>  libkpty4                       4.7.3        3.mga2        i586    <br>  libkunittest4                  4.7.3        3.mga2        i586    <br>
+  libnepomuksync4                4.7.3        2.mga2        i586    <br>un espace de 365Ko sera libéré.<br>6.8Mo de paquets seront récupérés.<br>Procéder à l&#39;installation des 13 paquetages ? (O/n) <br><br><br>installation de libaudit-devel-2.1.3-1.mga2.i586.rpm kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586.rpm libauparse0-2.1.3-1.mga2.i586.rpm libaudit1-2.1.3-1.mga2.i586.rpm libkpty4-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm libkprintutils4-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm libkunittest4-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm libkdefakes5-4.7.3-3.mga2.i586.rpm depuis /var/cache/urpmi/rpms<br>
+Préparation ...                  #############################################<br><br><br>installation de libnepomuksync4-4.7.3-2.mga2.i586.rpm kdebase4-runtime-4.7.3-2.mga2.i586.rpm libcurl4-7.23.1-2.mga2.i586.rpm curl-7.23.1-2.mga2.i586.rpm libcurl-devel-7.23.1-2.mga2.i586.rpm depuis /var/cache/urpmi/rpms<br>
+L&#39;installation a échoué :    le fichier /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd de l&#39;installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586<br>    le fichier /usr/share/kde4/services/kactivitymanagerd.desktop de l&#39;installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586<br>
+    kactivitymanagerd est nécessaire pour kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-2.mga2.i586<br># urpmi kactivitymanagerd<br>Marque kactivitymanagerd comme étant manuellement installé, il ne sera pas considéré comme un paquet orphelin<br>
+writing /var/lib/rpm/installed-through-deps.list<br><br><br>installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586.rpm depuis /var/cache/urpmi/rpms<br>Préparation ...                  #############################################<br>
+L&#39;installation a échoué :    le fichier /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd de l&#39;installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586<br>    le fichier /usr/share/kde4/services/kactivitymanagerd.desktop de l&#39;installation de kactivitymanagerd-6.1-0.mga2.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier du paquetage kdebase4-runtime-1:4.7.3-1.mga2.i586<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/25 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le vendredi 25 novembre 2011 07:56:08 Sandro CAZZANIGA a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; hi, it seems that we have a little problem with the last updates of KDE<br>
+&gt; components...<br>
+</div>[...]<br>
+I missed the epoch value when i added the conflicts.<br>
+Should be fixed with the next libkactivities package.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Thanks you :)<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/25 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le vendredi 25 novembre 2011 07:56:08 Sandro CAZZANIGA a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; hi, it seems that we have a little problem with the last updates of KDE<br>
+&gt; components...<br>
+</div>[...]<br>
+I missed the epoch value when i added the conflicts.<br>
+Should be fixed with the next libkactivities package.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Thanks you :)<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/28 Bruno Cornec <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Bruno.Cornec@hp.com">Bruno.Cornec@hp.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I received recently a mail from Samuel Verschelde asking me to look<br>
+again at the list of un-maintained packages in mageia (either<br>
+<a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt" target="_blank">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</a> or by mgarepo maintdb<br>
+get | grep nobody). Thanks for the reminder !<br>
+<br>
+I was really surprised of what I found, and I&#39;m pretty sure some people<br>
+have not registered themselves as package maintainer correctly. I can&#39;t<br>
+believe we could have a working distribution without people in charge<br>
+of:<br>
+attr<br>
+basesystem<br>
+bind<br>
+bison<br>
+busybox<br>
+cpio<br>
+curl<br>
+cvs<br>
+docbook-*<br>
+dosfstools<br>
+findutils<br>
+flex<br>
+gdb<br>
+ghostscript<br>
+grub<br>
+gzip<br>
+initscripts<br>
+inn<br>
+keychain<br>
+less<br>
+lilo<br>
+locales<br>
+logrotate<br>
+lzma<br>
+mageia-release<br>
+man<br>
+man-pages<br>
+mkinitrd<br>
+mt-st<br>
+mtools<br>
+ncurses<br>
+netcat-traditional<br>
+ntp<br>
+openjade<br>
+openssl<br>
+openvpn<br>
+pam<br>
+parted<br>
+passwd<br>
+procmail<br>
+sane<br>
+sgml-common<br>
+shorewall<br>
+sqlite<br>
+sudo<br>
+sympa<br>
+sysstat<br>
+tcp_wrappers<br>
+tcpdump<br>
+tcsh<br>
+termcap<br>
+traceroute<br>
+udev<br>
+util-linux-ng<br>
+xinetd<br>
+xmodmap<br>
+(And this is really a list of what looks to me mandatory, I&#39;m sure each<br>
+here will make its own, with differences).<br>
+<br>
+As much as I&#39;m willing to maintain packages, I don&#39;t think I&#39;m the<br>
+most qualified to take some of these. However, a distro without them<br>
+maintained has no future :-(<br>
+<br>
+So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody<br>
+want to take these ?<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m willing to contribute, already &quot;own&quot; 29 pkgs (but some of these<br>
+because I thought I&#39;d rather take them than leave unmaintained, even if<br>
+surprised) but don&#39;t have that much time, nor expertise to add the full<br>
+list !<br>
+<br>
+Any taker ?<br>
+Greetings,<br>
+Bruno.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Open Source &amp; Linux Profession Lead EMEA         <a href="http://opensource.hp.com" target="_blank">http://opensource.hp.com</a><br>
+Open Source Solutions Initiative Chief Technologist  <a href="http://hpintelco.net" target="_blank">http://hpintelco.net</a><br>
+FLOSS projects:     <a href="http://mondorescue.org" target="_blank">http://mondorescue.org</a>     <a href="http://project-builder.org" target="_blank">http://project-builder.org</a><br>
+Musique ancienne? <a href="http://www.musique-ancienne.org" target="_blank">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</a> <a href="http://www.medieval.org" target="_blank">http://www.medieval.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I can maintain passwd <br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/28 Bruno Cornec <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Bruno.Cornec@hp.com">Bruno.Cornec@hp.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I received recently a mail from Samuel Verschelde asking me to look<br>
+again at the list of un-maintained packages in mageia (either<br>
+<a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt" target="_blank">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</a> or by mgarepo maintdb<br>
+get | grep nobody). Thanks for the reminder !<br>
+<br>
+I was really surprised of what I found, and I&#39;m pretty sure some people<br>
+have not registered themselves as package maintainer correctly. I can&#39;t<br>
+believe we could have a working distribution without people in charge<br>
+of:<br>
+attr<br>
+basesystem<br>
+bind<br>
+bison<br>
+busybox<br>
+cpio<br>
+curl<br>
+cvs<br>
+docbook-*<br>
+dosfstools<br>
+findutils<br>
+flex<br>
+gdb<br>
+ghostscript<br>
+grub<br>
+gzip<br>
+initscripts<br>
+inn<br>
+keychain<br>
+less<br>
+lilo<br>
+locales<br>
+logrotate<br>
+lzma<br>
+mageia-release<br>
+man<br>
+man-pages<br>
+mkinitrd<br>
+mt-st<br>
+mtools<br>
+ncurses<br>
+netcat-traditional<br>
+ntp<br>
+openjade<br>
+openssl<br>
+openvpn<br>
+pam<br>
+parted<br>
+passwd<br>
+procmail<br>
+sane<br>
+sgml-common<br>
+shorewall<br>
+sqlite<br>
+sudo<br>
+sympa<br>
+sysstat<br>
+tcp_wrappers<br>
+tcpdump<br>
+tcsh<br>
+termcap<br>
+traceroute<br>
+udev<br>
+util-linux-ng<br>
+xinetd<br>
+xmodmap<br>
+(And this is really a list of what looks to me mandatory, I&#39;m sure each<br>
+here will make its own, with differences).<br>
+<br>
+As much as I&#39;m willing to maintain packages, I don&#39;t think I&#39;m the<br>
+most qualified to take some of these. However, a distro without them<br>
+maintained has no future :-(<br>
+<br>
+So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody<br>
+want to take these ?<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m willing to contribute, already &quot;own&quot; 29 pkgs (but some of these<br>
+because I thought I&#39;d rather take them than leave unmaintained, even if<br>
+surprised) but don&#39;t have that much time, nor expertise to add the full<br>
+list !<br>
+<br>
+Any taker ?<br>
+Greetings,<br>
+Bruno.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Open Source &amp; Linux Profession Lead EMEA         <a href="http://opensource.hp.com" target="_blank">http://opensource.hp.com</a><br>
+Open Source Solutions Initiative Chief Technologist  <a href="http://hpintelco.net" target="_blank">http://hpintelco.net</a><br>
+FLOSS projects:     <a href="http://mondorescue.org" target="_blank">http://mondorescue.org</a>     <a href="http://project-builder.org" target="_blank">http://project-builder.org</a><br>
+Musique ancienne? <a href="http://www.musique-ancienne.org" target="_blank">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</a> <a href="http://www.medieval.org" target="_blank">http://www.medieval.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I can maintain passwd <br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/28 Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Op maandag 28 november 2011 14:09:16 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On 28.11.2011 13:41, Bruno Cornec wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; (..)<br>
+&gt; &gt; So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody<br>
+&gt; &gt; want to take these ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some time ago I made a list of unmaintained packages in basesystem-minimal:<br>
+&gt; attr audit aumix basesystem common-licenses cpio cronie crontabs curl<br>
+&gt; cyrus-sasl dash db48 dump elfutils etcskel ethtool findutils gdbm<br>
+&gt; gettext glib2.0 gzip ifmetric initscripts kbd krb5 less libcap libdaemon<br>
+&gt; libffi libidn libsigsegv libssh2 libtermcap libusb-compat libusb1<br>
+&gt; libuser libxml2 logrotate mageia-release makedev meta-task mingetty<br>
+&gt; ncurses net-tools nspr nss openssl pam pam_userpass passwd pcre popt<br>
+&gt; prcsys procps psmisc readline rootcerts rpmtools rsyslog run-parts sash<br>
+&gt; setup shadow-utils sqlite3 sysvinit tcb termcap texinfo time timezone<br>
+&gt; udev utempter which<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>aumix is in basesystem-minimal? are you certain? perhaps you forgot a --no-<br>
+suggests?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m now the maintainer of passwd. <br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/28 Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Op maandag 28 november 2011 14:09:16 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On 28.11.2011 13:41, Bruno Cornec wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; (..)<br>
+&gt; &gt; So I guess there is something wrong here. Or are we so few that nobody<br>
+&gt; &gt; want to take these ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some time ago I made a list of unmaintained packages in basesystem-minimal:<br>
+&gt; attr audit aumix basesystem common-licenses cpio cronie crontabs curl<br>
+&gt; cyrus-sasl dash db48 dump elfutils etcskel ethtool findutils gdbm<br>
+&gt; gettext glib2.0 gzip ifmetric initscripts kbd krb5 less libcap libdaemon<br>
+&gt; libffi libidn libsigsegv libssh2 libtermcap libusb-compat libusb1<br>
+&gt; libuser libxml2 logrotate mageia-release makedev meta-task mingetty<br>
+&gt; ncurses net-tools nspr nss openssl pam pam_userpass passwd pcre popt<br>
+&gt; prcsys procps psmisc readline rootcerts rpmtools rsyslog run-parts sash<br>
+&gt; setup shadow-utils sqlite3 sysvinit tcb termcap texinfo time timezone<br>
+&gt; udev utempter which<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>aumix is in basesystem-minimal? are you certain? perhaps you forgot a --no-<br>
+suggests?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m now the maintainer of passwd. <br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Is this related to .la files or a buildrequire? I think I finally have<br>
+all the buildrequires solved.. so hope someone could assist:<br>
+<br>
+  CCLD   <a href="http://libspice-client-gtk-3.0.la" target="_blank">libspice-client-gtk-3.0.la</a><br>
+  libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64//<a href="http://libcelt051.la" target="_blank">libcelt051.la</a>&#39; seems to be moved<br>
+  .libs/spice-widget.o: In function `get_keyboard_lock_modifiers&#39;:<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/spice-widget.c:1735:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XGetKeyboardControl&#39;<br>
+  .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function<br>
+  `vnc_display_keymap_gdk2xtkbd_table&#39;:<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:153:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XkbGetKeyboard&#39;<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:162:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XkbFreeClientMap&#39;<br>
+  .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function `check_for_xquartz&#39;:<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:122:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XListExtensions&#39;<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:130:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XFreeExtensionList&#39;<br>
+  collect2: ld returned 1 exit status<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t think XkbGetKeyboard could be undefined.<br>
+<br>
+Assistance very welcome :)<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Nope the error has to do with ld, the missing .la files are just warnings.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Is this related to .la files or a buildrequire? I think I finally have<br>
+all the buildrequires solved.. so hope someone could assist:<br>
+<br>
+  CCLD   <a href="http://libspice-client-gtk-3.0.la" target="_blank">libspice-client-gtk-3.0.la</a><br>
+  libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64//<a href="http://libcelt051.la" target="_blank">libcelt051.la</a>&#39; seems to be moved<br>
+  .libs/spice-widget.o: In function `get_keyboard_lock_modifiers&#39;:<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/spice-widget.c:1735:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XGetKeyboardControl&#39;<br>
+  .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function<br>
+  `vnc_display_keymap_gdk2xtkbd_table&#39;:<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:153:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XkbGetKeyboard&#39;<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:162:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XkbFreeClientMap&#39;<br>
+  .libs/vncdisplaykeymap.o: In function `check_for_xquartz&#39;:<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:122:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XListExtensions&#39;<br>
+  /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/spice-gtk-0.7.81-4f76/gtk/vncdisplaykeymap.c:130:<br>
+  undefined reference to `XFreeExtensionList&#39;<br>
+  collect2: ld returned 1 exit status<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t think XkbGetKeyboard could be undefined.<br>
+<br>
+Assistance very welcome :)<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Nope the error has to do with ld, the missing .la files are just warnings.<br>
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+<p>Does the idea include removing srpm also?</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-11-30 上�2:07，&quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an<br>
+other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the<br>
+current procedure is :<br>
+ - move the package on svn to obsolete directory<br>
+ - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories<br>
+<br>
+Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a<br>
+package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be<br>
+removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.<br>
+I think it would be better :<br>
+ - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin<br>
+ - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous Mageia<br>
+   release, which can be useful when writting release notes<br>
+ - users who don&#39;t want to keep unsupported packages installed on their<br>
+   system can install the package to remove them<br>
+<br>
+What do you think ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Does the idea include removing srpm also?</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-11-30 上�2:07，&quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an<br>
+other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the<br>
+current procedure is :<br>
+ - move the package on svn to obsolete directory<br>
+ - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories<br>
+<br>
+Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a<br>
+package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be<br>
+removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.<br>
+I think it would be better :<br>
+ - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin<br>
+ - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous Mageia<br>
+   release, which can be useful when writting release notes<br>
+ - users who don&#39;t want to keep unsupported packages installed on their<br>
+   system can install the package to remove them<br>
+<br>
+What do you think ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>What if packages being installed from console?</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-11-30 下�10:23，&quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:58 AM, zezinho &lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 05:47:19, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please go on. Some ideas :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1.Will the download have a nice window? I mean download speed/time till end,<br>
+&gt; stop button, etc. Because this are big downloads, not like flash-player-plugin.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Yes, that&#39;s how it currently works. A GTK window shows up at first run<br>
+displaying the game&#39;s license and upon confirmation it will show<br>
+another window for the game data download, with a progress bar,<br>
+download speeds etc and an option to switch mirrors (haven&#39;t tried it<br>
+yet).<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2. As user, I would expect the download to happen at install time, rather than<br>
+&gt; first run. It could be run in the post?<br>
+<br>
+Well as Pascal said in another email I&#39;m not sure it is a good idea, I<br>
+think there&#39;s nothing wrong with doing the download at first run. Also<br>
+if we move the download to %pre or %post then we can&#39;t use the graphic<br>
+window which would be a loss in user friendliness IMO.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m almost set to commit my modifications tonight, I have been working<br>
+on the download and install scripts for Smokin&#39; Guns but the need more<br>
+testing.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>What if packages being installed from console?</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-11-30 下�10:23，&quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:58 AM, zezinho &lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 05:47:19, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please go on. Some ideas :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1.Will the download have a nice window? I mean download speed/time till end,<br>
+&gt; stop button, etc. Because this are big downloads, not like flash-player-plugin.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Yes, that&#39;s how it currently works. A GTK window shows up at first run<br>
+displaying the game&#39;s license and upon confirmation it will show<br>
+another window for the game data download, with a progress bar,<br>
+download speeds etc and an option to switch mirrors (haven&#39;t tried it<br>
+yet).<br>
+<br>
+&gt; 2. As user, I would expect the download to happen at install time, rather than<br>
+&gt; first run. It could be run in the post?<br>
+<br>
+Well as Pascal said in another email I&#39;m not sure it is a good idea, I<br>
+think there&#39;s nothing wrong with doing the download at first run. Also<br>
+if we move the download to %pre or %post then we can&#39;t use the graphic<br>
+window which would be a loss in user friendliness IMO.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m almost set to commit my modifications tonight, I have been working<br>
+on the download and install scripts for Smokin&#39; Guns but the need more<br>
+testing.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+
+Known Bugs and Problems
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+* There are some bugs that currently cause the browser plugin to
+  not work correctly in WebKit-based browsers like Epiphany
+  or Chrome. We will fix these bugs in subsequent releases of
+  GNOME Shell, but for now using Firefox to access
+  extensions.gnome.org is advised.
+
+* Extensions that use GSettings to store user settings cannot be
+  currently installed as a user; this limitation will be fixed
+  for GNOME 3.4. In the mean time, extension authors should
+  avoid the use of GSettings if they want to make their extension
+  available via extensions.gnome.org.
+
+* Due to a bug in GNOME Shell 3.2.1 code, the uninstall button
+  will not work for some extensions. Disabling extensions still
+  works, but if you want to remove an extension entirely, you'll
+  need to manually delete it from ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions.
+
+Reporting Problems
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+If you find problems with the site, please file them in
+bugzilla.gnome.org against the 'extensions.gnome.org' component
+of the website product.
+
+Problems with individual extensions should be reported using
+the &quot;Help! It didn't work!&quot; link on the extension's page.
+
+Thanks to everybody that made this happen!
+
+--
+=A0 Jasper St. Pierre
+_______________________________________________
+gnome-shell-list mailing list
+gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
+http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
+]
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+[From nobody Thu Dec  1 23:29:52 2011
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+Message-ID: &lt;CAA0H+QQE+C45A4xo1RvnzGBYCSyBvAMyFgNATx=W10atpdhu-A@mail.gmail.com&gt;
+Subject: extensions.gnome.org - Public Alpha Now Available
+From: &quot;Jasper St. Pierre&quot; &lt;jstpierre@mecheye.net&gt;
+To: gnome-shell-list &lt;gnome-shell-list@gnome.org&gt;, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org,
+	gnome-announce-list@gnome.org
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+
+We're happy to announce that extensions.gnome.org is now in
+public alpha testing at:
+
+ https://extensions.gnome.org
+
+If you have GNOME Shell 3.2 on your system, you should be able to
+install extensions from the website via your browser. This uses the
+&quot;GNOME Shell Integration&quot; browser plugin which is likely already
+installed on your system if you have GNOME 3.2. The plugin only works
+with Firefox currently - see &quot;Known Bugs&quot; below.
+
+We've seeded the site with a small set of extensions, including
+the extensions from gnome-shell-extensions. If you are the author
+of an extension that has been uploaded, and you want to take over
+uploading future releases, please contact us, and we'll get you
+access.
+
+The set of extensions on the site is still small compared to the total
+number of extensions available. We expect more extensions to be
+available over the next few weeks as authors upload them and they
+are reviewed.
+
+About GNOME Shell Extensions
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
+=3D=3D=3D
+
+GNOME Shell extensions are small pieces of code written by third party
+developers that modify the way GNOME works. (If you are familiar with
+Chrome Extensions or Firefox Addons, GNOME Shell extensions are
+similar to them.)
+
+Since extensions are created outside of the normal GNOME design and
+development process, they are are supported by their authors, rather
+than by the GNOME community.
+
+Extensions provide a way to prototype out new possible features for
+future versions of GNOME, and for advanced users to make
+customizations in ways that aren't necessarily compatible with the
+overall design vision of GNOME, but are still cool and useful to
+a subset of users.
+
+Since extensions become part of the core operating system, they need
+to be checked for potential security problems. Extensions uploaded
+to extensions.gnome.org go through code review before they are
+made available for download. More information can be found at
+https://extensions.gnome.org/about/.
+
+Known Bugs and Problems
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+* There are some bugs that currently cause the browser plugin to
+  not work correctly in WebKit-based browsers like Epiphany
+  or Chrome. We will fix these bugs in subsequent releases of
+  GNOME Shell, but for now using Firefox to access
+  extensions.gnome.org is advised.
+
+* Extensions that use GSettings to store user settings cannot be
+  currently installed as a user; this limitation will be fixed
+  for GNOME 3.4. In the mean time, extension authors should
+  avoid the use of GSettings if they want to make their extension
+  available via extensions.gnome.org.
+
+* Due to a bug in GNOME Shell 3.2.1 code, the uninstall button
+  will not work for some extensions. Disabling extensions still
+  works, but if you want to remove an extension entirely, you'll
+  need to manually delete it from ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions.
+
+Reporting Problems
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+If you find problems with the site, please file them in
+bugzilla.gnome.org against the 'extensions.gnome.org' component
+of the website product.
+
+Problems with individual extensions should be reported using
+the &quot;Help! It didn't work!&quot; link on the extension's page.
+
+Thanks to everybody that made this happen!
+
+--
+=A0 Jasper St. Pierre
+_______________________________________________
+gnome-shell-list mailing list
+gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
+http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
+]
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+<p>Maybe we should list these changes in wiki, maintained by maintainers themselves, and some test cases and notes. Thus, the release notes will be easier to compose.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-12-1 上�4:48，&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+It would be interesting for us to have a sort of weekly report on what has<br>
+changed in cauldron, the interesting points, important decisions. In mandriva-<br>
+times there was also something like this:<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+see:<br>
+ - <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News</a><br>
+ - <a href="http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-
+changes-15-february-28-february-2010/" target="_blank">http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-<br>
+changes-15-february-28-february-2010/</a><br>
+<br>
+it doesn&#39;t have to be one person and it doesn&#39;t have to be weekly, but<br>
+something like this assures better visibility of Mageia and could be<br>
+interesting also for packagers who aren&#39;t up 2 date on things (or advanced<br>
+cauldron users)<br>
+</blockquote></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111201/ce969ed2/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111201/ce969ed2/attachment.html
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+<p>Maybe we should list these changes in wiki, maintained by maintainers themselves, and some test cases and notes. Thus, the release notes will be easier to compose.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2011-12-1 上�4:48，&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+It would be interesting for us to have a sort of weekly report on what has<br>
+changed in cauldron, the interesting points, important decisions. In mandriva-<br>
+times there was also something like this:<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+see:<br>
+ - <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News</a><br>
+ - <a href="http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-
+changes-15-february-28-february-2010/" target="_blank">http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-<br>
+changes-15-february-28-february-2010/</a><br>
+<br>
+it doesn&#39;t have to be one person and it doesn&#39;t have to be weekly, but<br>
+something like this assures better visibility of Mageia and could be<br>
+interesting also for packagers who aren&#39;t up 2 date on things (or advanced<br>
+cauldron users)<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+/dev/cdrom /media/cdrom auto umask=0,users,iocharset=utf8,noauto,ro,exec 0 0
+# Entry for /dev/sda1 :
+UUID=BC2CCDBF2CCD7544 /media/win_c ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000 0 0
+# Entry for /dev/sda2 :
+UUID=A65CE19B5CE16711 /media/win_d ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000 0 0
+# Entry for /dev/sda3 :
+UUID=9604E49104E47621 /media/win_e ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000 0 0
+none /proc proc defaults 0 0
+# Entry for /dev/sda6 :
+UUID=373475d0-f1ad-49ff-bbc1-b2efbfd75ac7 /usr ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+# Entry for /dev/sda8 :
+UUID=cdcfbd03-d199-4e44-8507-d6131d1b4464 /var ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+# Entry for /dev/sda7 :
+UUID=24d38350-e6a4-4255-bb27-504b92223329 swap swap defaults 0 0
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+# Entry for /dev/sda5 :
+UUID=7b24b7d6-c0a3-4dc1-9391-0292a0b77616 / ext4 acl,relatime 1 1
+# Entry for /dev/sda9 :
+UUID=ef8f2a6a-fa95-4539-a902-e3b015313299 /home ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+/dev/cdrom /media/cdrom auto umask=0,users,iocharset=utf8,noauto,ro,exec 0 0
+# Entry for /dev/sda1 :
+UUID=BC2CCDBF2CCD7544 /media/win_c ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000 0 0
+# Entry for /dev/sda2 :
+UUID=A65CE19B5CE16711 /media/win_d ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000 0 0
+# Entry for /dev/sda3 :
+UUID=9604E49104E47621 /media/win_e ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000 0 0
+none /proc proc defaults 0 0
+# Entry for /dev/sda6 :
+UUID=373475d0-f1ad-49ff-bbc1-b2efbfd75ac7 /usr ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+# Entry for /dev/sda8 :
+UUID=cdcfbd03-d199-4e44-8507-d6131d1b4464 /var ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+# Entry for /dev/sda7 :
+UUID=24d38350-e6a4-4255-bb27-504b92223329 swap swap defaults 0 0
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111202/533fca2a/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111202/533fca2a/attachment-0001.html
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I asked them on IRC and a ticket has already been filed<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Original message-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>From: </b>Funda Wang &lt;fundawang@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>To: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Sent: </b>Sat, Dec 3, 2011 02:19:19 GMT+00:00<b><br>Subject: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue<br><br></div>Thanks, you could give a try on zarafa, it seems that zarafa saying<br>boost 1.48 is too new.<br><br>2011/12/3 Thomas Spuhler <thomas@btspuhler.com>:<br>> boost upgrade broke zarafa deps<br>> Funda, I saw you working on this package. No problem, I just don't want both<br>> of us working on fixing this. Let me know.<br>> --<br>> Thomas<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I asked them on IRC and a ticket has already been filed<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Original message-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>From: </b>Funda Wang &lt;fundawang@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>To: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Sent: </b>Sat, Dec 3, 2011 02:19:19 GMT+00:00<b><br>Subject: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue<br><br></div>Thanks, you could give a try on zarafa, it seems that zarafa saying<br>boost 1.48 is too new.<br><br>2011/12/3 Thomas Spuhler <thomas@btspuhler.com>:<br>> boost upgrade broke zarafa deps<br>> Funda, I saw you working on this package. No problem, I just don't want both<br>> of us working on fixing this. Let me know.<br>> --<br>> Thomas<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+--- /usr/share/dracut/modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh-OLD	2011-12-02 12:43:22.000000000 +0200
++++ /usr/share/dracut/modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh	2011-12-02 22:40:03.525836233 +0200
+@@ -14,7 +14,17 @@
+     local _modname
+     # Include KMS capable drm drivers
+     for _modname in $(find "$srcmods/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm" "$srcmods/extra" \( -name '*.ko' -o -name '*.ko.gz' \) 2>/dev/null); do
+-        zgrep -q drm_crtc_init  $_modname && instmods $_modname
++        if zgrep -q drm_crtc_init  $_modname; then
++            # if the hardware is present, include module even if it is not currently loaded,
++            # as we could e.g. be in the installer; nokmsboot boot parameter will disable
++            # loading of the driver if needed
++            if [[ $hostonly ]] && modinfo -F alias $_modname | sed -e 's,\?,\.,g' -e 's,\*,\.\*,g' \
++                                  | grep -qxf - /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/modalias; then
++                hostonly='' instmods $_modname
++                continue
++            fi
++            instmods $_modname
++        fi
+     done
+ }
+ 
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..d6a6b2c4e
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111202/e9786565/attachment.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+--- /usr/share/dracut/modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh-OLD	2011-12-02 12:43:22.000000000 +0200
++++ /usr/share/dracut/modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh	2011-12-02 22:40:03.525836233 +0200
+@@ -14,7 +14,17 @@
+     local _modname
+     # Include KMS capable drm drivers
+     for _modname in $(find "$srcmods/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm" "$srcmods/extra" \( -name '*.ko' -o -name '*.ko.gz' \) 2>/dev/null); do
+-        zgrep -q drm_crtc_init  $_modname && instmods $_modname
++        if zgrep -q drm_crtc_init  $_modname; then
++            # if the hardware is present, include module even if it is not currently loaded,
++            # as we could e.g. be in the installer; nokmsboot boot parameter will disable
++            # loading of the driver if needed
++            if [[ $hostonly ]] && modinfo -F alias $_modname | sed -e 's,\?,\.,g' -e 's,\*,\.\*,g' \
++                                  | grep -qxf - /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/modalias; then
++                hostonly='' instmods $_modname
++                continue
++            fi
++            instmods $_modname
++        fi
+     done
+ }
+ 
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+%define upstream_name    Search-Tools
+%define upstream_version 0.65
+
+Name:       perl-%{upstream_name}
+Version:    %perl_convert_version %{upstream_version}
+Release:    %mkrel 1
+
+Summary:    High-performance tools for building search applications
+License:    GPL+ or Artistic
+Group:      Development/Perl
+Url:        http://search.cpan.org/dist/%{upstream_name}
+Source0:    http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/K/KA/KARMAN/%{upstream_name}-%{upstream_version}.tar.gz
+BuildRequires: perl(Data::Dump)
+BuildRequires: perl(Encode)
+BuildRequires: perl(Encoding::FixLatin)
+BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
+BuildRequires: perl(File::Slurp)
+BuildRequires: perl(Rose::ObjectX::CAF)
+BuildRequires: perl(Search::Query)
+BuildRequires: perl(Test::More)
+BuildArch: noarch
+
+%description
+This distribution is a set of utilities for building search applications. Rather than adhering to a particular search application or framework, the goal of Search::Tools is to provide general-purpose methods for common search application features. Think of Search::Tools like a toolbox rather than a hammer.
+ 
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{upstream_name}-%{upstream_version}
+
+%build
+%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
+%make
+
+%check
+%make test
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%files
+%doc META.yml Changes README MANIFEST
+/usr/src/debug/*
+%{_libdir}/debug/.build-id/*
+%{_libdir}/debug/*
+%{_mandir}/man3/*
+%perl_vendorlib/*
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111203/16a8f103/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111203/16a8f103/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
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--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111203/16a8f103/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
+Hi there!<br><br>I&#39;ve made a complicated perl pkg today (instead of sepc file that&#39;s very simple). I&#39;ve got a build error and I&#39;m mailing here for help :) <br><br>In PJ, the spec file and the error here: <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111203113946.kharec.valstar.31298/log/perl-Search-Tools-0.650.0-1.mga2/build.0.20111203114002.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111203113946.kharec.valstar.31298/log/perl-Search-Tools-0.650.0-1.mga2/build.0.20111203114002.log</a><br>
+<br>Maybe a missing BR? Thanks :)<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111203/16a8f103/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111203/16a8f103/attachment.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..b028c1cf1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111203/16a8f103/attachment.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,45 @@
+%define upstream_name    Search-Tools
+%define upstream_version 0.65
+
+Name:       perl-%{upstream_name}
+Version:    %perl_convert_version %{upstream_version}
+Release:    %mkrel 1
+
+Summary:    High-performance tools for building search applications
+License:    GPL+ or Artistic
+Group:      Development/Perl
+Url:        http://search.cpan.org/dist/%{upstream_name}
+Source0:    http://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/K/KA/KARMAN/%{upstream_name}-%{upstream_version}.tar.gz
+BuildRequires: perl(Data::Dump)
+BuildRequires: perl(Encode)
+BuildRequires: perl(Encoding::FixLatin)
+BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
+BuildRequires: perl(File::Slurp)
+BuildRequires: perl(Rose::ObjectX::CAF)
+BuildRequires: perl(Search::Query)
+BuildRequires: perl(Test::More)
+BuildArch: noarch
+
+%description
+This distribution is a set of utilities for building search applications. Rather than adhering to a particular search application or framework, the goal of Search::Tools is to provide general-purpose methods for common search application features. Think of Search::Tools like a toolbox rather than a hammer.
+ 
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{upstream_name}-%{upstream_version}
+
+%build
+%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
+%make
+
+%check
+%make test
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%files
+%doc META.yml Changes README MANIFEST
+/usr/src/debug/*
+%{_libdir}/debug/.build-id/*
+%{_libdir}/debug/*
+%{_mandir}/man3/*
+%perl_vendorlib/*
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111203/16a8f103/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111203/16a8f103/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..8eee9b3d9
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111203/16a8f103/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
+Hi there!<br><br>I&#39;ve made a complicated perl pkg today (instead of sepc file that&#39;s very simple). I&#39;ve got a build error and I&#39;m mailing here for help :) <br><br>In PJ, the spec file and the error here: <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111203113946.kharec.valstar.31298/log/perl-Search-Tools-0.650.0-1.mga2/build.0.20111203114002.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111203113946.kharec.valstar.31298/log/perl-Search-Tools-0.650.0-1.mga2/build.0.20111203114002.log</a><br>
+<br>Maybe a missing BR? Thanks :)<br>
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+Index: configs/x86_64.config
+===================================================================
+--- configs/x86_64.config	(revision 175581)
++++ configs/x86_64.config	(working copy)
+@@ -5215,7 +5215,7 @@
+ # Kernel hacking
+ #
+ CONFIG_TRACE_IRQFLAGS_SUPPORT=y
+-# CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME is not set
++CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME=y
+ CONFIG_DEFAULT_MESSAGE_LOGLEVEL=4
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_WARN_DEPRECATED=y
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_MUST_CHECK=y
+Index: configs/arm.config
+===================================================================
+--- configs/arm.config	(revision 175581)
++++ configs/arm.config	(working copy)
+@@ -3967,7 +3967,7 @@
+ #
+ # Kernel hacking
+ #
+-# CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME is not set
++CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME=y
+ CONFIG_DEFAULT_MESSAGE_LOGLEVEL=4
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_WARN_DEPRECATED=y
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_MUST_CHECK=y
+Index: configs/i386.config
+===================================================================
+--- configs/i386.config	(revision 175581)
++++ configs/i386.config	(working copy)
+@@ -5567,7 +5567,7 @@
+ # Kernel hacking
+ #
+ CONFIG_TRACE_IRQFLAGS_SUPPORT=y
+-# CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME is not set
++CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME=y
+ CONFIG_DEFAULT_MESSAGE_LOGLEVEL=4
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_WARN_DEPRECATED=y
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_MUST_CHECK=y
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+Index: configs/x86_64.config
+===================================================================
+--- configs/x86_64.config	(revision 175581)
++++ configs/x86_64.config	(working copy)
+@@ -5215,7 +5215,7 @@
+ # Kernel hacking
+ #
+ CONFIG_TRACE_IRQFLAGS_SUPPORT=y
+-# CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME is not set
++CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME=y
+ CONFIG_DEFAULT_MESSAGE_LOGLEVEL=4
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_WARN_DEPRECATED=y
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_MUST_CHECK=y
+Index: configs/arm.config
+===================================================================
+--- configs/arm.config	(revision 175581)
++++ configs/arm.config	(working copy)
+@@ -3967,7 +3967,7 @@
+ #
+ # Kernel hacking
+ #
+-# CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME is not set
++CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME=y
+ CONFIG_DEFAULT_MESSAGE_LOGLEVEL=4
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_WARN_DEPRECATED=y
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_MUST_CHECK=y
+Index: configs/i386.config
+===================================================================
+--- configs/i386.config	(revision 175581)
++++ configs/i386.config	(working copy)
+@@ -5567,7 +5567,7 @@
+ # Kernel hacking
+ #
+ CONFIG_TRACE_IRQFLAGS_SUPPORT=y
+-# CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME is not set
++CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME=y
+ CONFIG_DEFAULT_MESSAGE_LOGLEVEL=4
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_WARN_DEPRECATED=y
+ CONFIG_ENABLE_MUST_CHECK=y
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/5 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi !<br>
+<br>
+There was a discussion on dev mailing list and<br>
+something was said about it in meeting on september 21st<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html" target="_blank">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html</a><br>
+(&quot;faac status&quot; begining at<br>
+19:42:50 )<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Please have a look on Dev meeting logs, il was decided not to create it for now, at least before Mageia 2 is out. This was done during meeting some weeks ago</div><div><br></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+This concerns faac and packages been built upon it :<br>
+<br>
+see bug 2833<br>
+<br>
+These softwares allow to create, encode, or modify media files<br>
+ (.aac, .mp4 or .m4a) that are very frequently used ...<br>
+These kind of files don&#39;t comply wiht free standard (like ogg or<br>
+matroska ) but we have to work with them ....<br>
+ the same way we can do<br>
+with .mp3 or .mov and others non free standard when using tainted<br>
+packages<br>
+<br>
+Mageia 2 will come soon and maybe it&#39;s time to decide what to do !<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Philippe<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/5 Philippe DIDIER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi !<br>
+<br>
+There was a discussion on dev mailing list and<br>
+something was said about it in meeting on september 21st<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html" target="_blank">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html</a><br>
+(&quot;faac status&quot; begining at<br>
+19:42:50 )<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Please have a look on Dev meeting logs, il was decided not to create it for now, at least before Mageia 2 is out. This was done during meeting some weeks ago</div><div><br></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+This concerns faac and packages been built upon it :<br>
+<br>
+see bug 2833<br>
+<br>
+These softwares allow to create, encode, or modify media files<br>
+ (.aac, .mp4 or .m4a) that are very frequently used ...<br>
+These kind of files don&#39;t comply wiht free standard (like ogg or<br>
+matroska ) but we have to work with them ....<br>
+ the same way we can do<br>
+with .mp3 or .mov and others non free standard when using tainted<br>
+packages<br>
+<br>
+Mageia 2 will come soon and maybe it&#39;s time to decide what to do !<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Philippe<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+Hi guys, <br><br>It seems that we have a serious issue on jonund, which cannot install gcc-c++.... <br><br>The log: <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111205045657.kharec.valstar.31399/log/botcmd.1323061022.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111205045657.kharec.valstar.31399/log/botcmd.1323061022.jonund.log</a><br>
+<br>the line: gcc-c++-4.5.2-5.mga2.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied libppl_c.so.2()(64bit))<br><br>WDYT ? Thanks :)<br>
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+Hi guys, <br><br>It seems that we have a serious issue on jonund, which cannot install gcc-c++.... <br><br>The log: <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111205045657.kharec.valstar.31399/log/botcmd.1323061022.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111205045657.kharec.valstar.31399/log/botcmd.1323061022.jonund.log</a><br>
+<br>the line: gcc-c++-4.5.2-5.mga2.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied libppl_c.so.2()(64bit))<br><br>WDYT ? Thanks :)<br>
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+Hi, <br><br>You have probably heard about perl 6, the little brother of perl 5. It will be, for me, an excellent langage, extremely strong. My question is the following:<br><br>Can I package rakudo for Mageia Cauldron? <br>
+<br>We haven&#39;t got it for now and I think it miss.<br><br>Cheers.<br>
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+Hi, <br><br>You have probably heard about perl 6, the little brother of perl 5. It will be, for me, an excellent langage, extremely strong. My question is the following:<br><br>Can I package rakudo for Mageia Cauldron? <br>
+<br>We haven&#39;t got it for now and I think it miss.<br><br>Cheers.<br>
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+Hi there<br><br>Very first version of Alpha 2 is available on wiki:<br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Mageia_2_alpha2">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Mageia_2_alpha2</a><br><br>Please keep it in mind to add information for Alpha2 release<div>
+<br></div><div>Cheers<br><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a><br><br></div>
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+Hi there<br><br>Very first version of Alpha 2 is available on wiki:<br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Mageia_2_alpha2">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Mageia_2_alpha2</a><br><br>Please keep it in mind to add information for Alpha2 release<div>
+<br></div><div>Cheers<br><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a><br><br></div>
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+	Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer Device 1500
+	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+
+	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
+	Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
+	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 17
+	Region 0: Memory at f7300000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
+	Region 2: Memory at f7310000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K]
+	Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
+		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=100mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
+		Status: D0 NoSoftRst+ PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
+	Capabilities: [48] MSI: Enable- Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+
+		Address: 0000000000000000  Data: 0000
+	Capabilities: [70] Express (v2) Endpoint, MSI 00
+		DevCap:	MaxPayload 1024 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s unlimited, L1 unlimited
+			ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE+ FLReset-
+		DevCtl:	Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported-
+			RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop-
+			MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes
+		DevSta:	CorrErr- UncorrErr- FatalErr- UnsuppReq- AuxPwr+ TransPend-
+		LnkCap:	Port #0, Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s L1, Latency L0 <512ns, L1 <64us
+			ClockPM+ Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot-
+		LnkCtl:	ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- Retrain- CommClk+
+			ExtSynch- ClockPM+ AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-
+		LnkSta:	Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-
+		DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Not Supported, TimeoutDis+
+		DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis-
+		LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 5GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-, Selectable De-emphasis: -6dB
+			 Transmit Margin: Normal Operating Range, EnterModifiedCompliance- ComplianceSOS-
+			 Compliance De-emphasis: -6dB
+		LnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -6dB
+	Capabilities: [c0] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=8 Masked-
+		Vector table: BAR=2 offset=00000000
+		PBA: BAR=2 offset=00001000
+	Capabilities: [100 v2] Advanced Error Reporting
+		UESta:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
+		UEMsk:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
+		UESvrt:	DLP+ SDES+ TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
+		CESta:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- NonFatalErr-
+		CEMsk:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- NonFatalErr+
+		AERCap:	First Error Pointer: 00, GenCap+ CGenEn- ChkCap+ ChkEn-
+	Capabilities: [150 v1] Device Serial Number 08-00-28-00-00-20-00-00
+	Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
+	Kernel modules: xhci-hcd
+
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+	Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer Device 1500
+	Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+
+	Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
+	Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
+	Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 17
+	Region 0: Memory at f7300000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
+	Region 2: Memory at f7310000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K]
+	Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
+		Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=100mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
+		Status: D0 NoSoftRst+ PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
+	Capabilities: [48] MSI: Enable- Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+
+		Address: 0000000000000000  Data: 0000
+	Capabilities: [70] Express (v2) Endpoint, MSI 00
+		DevCap:	MaxPayload 1024 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s unlimited, L1 unlimited
+			ExtTag- AttnBtn- AttnInd- PwrInd- RBE+ FLReset-
+		DevCtl:	Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported-
+			RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop-
+			MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 512 bytes
+		DevSta:	CorrErr- UncorrErr- FatalErr- UnsuppReq- AuxPwr+ TransPend-
+		LnkCap:	Port #0, Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s L1, Latency L0 <512ns, L1 <64us
+			ClockPM+ Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot-
+		LnkCtl:	ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- Retrain- CommClk+
+			ExtSynch- ClockPM+ AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-
+		LnkSta:	Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-
+		DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Not Supported, TimeoutDis+
+		DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis-
+		LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 5GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-, Selectable De-emphasis: -6dB
+			 Transmit Margin: Normal Operating Range, EnterModifiedCompliance- ComplianceSOS-
+			 Compliance De-emphasis: -6dB
+		LnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -6dB
+	Capabilities: [c0] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=8 Masked-
+		Vector table: BAR=2 offset=00000000
+		PBA: BAR=2 offset=00001000
+	Capabilities: [100 v2] Advanced Error Reporting
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+		UEMsk:	DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
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+		CEMsk:	RxErr- BadTLP- BadDLLP- Rollover- Timeout- NonFatalErr+
+		AERCap:	First Error Pointer: 00, GenCap+ CGenEn- ChkCap+ ChkEn-
+	Capabilities: [150 v1] Device Serial Number 08-00-28-00-00-20-00-00
+	Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
+	Kernel modules: xhci-hcd
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 04:04:39 Liam R E Quin wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Tue, 2011-12-13 at 16:31 -0800, Dan Fandrich wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I raised a bug ticket on drakxtools (#3731) because the RPM in Cauldron</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; installs without complaints in Mageia 1 but won't work there because</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; it requires a newer version of perl.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This is unsupported. Maybe you should instead contribute documentation that makes this more explicitly obvious, but it is a well-known rule in Mandriva and Mageia (and usually applies to other distros as well).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If this weren't the case, there wouldn't be a need for backports ...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The perl dependency in the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; RPM is listed as &quot;perl-base&quot; when it should really be something like</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &quot;perl-base &gt;= 5.14.2&quot; (Mageia 1 ships with version 5.12.3).  The response</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I got was that such an upgrade (from release to Cauldron) wasn't</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; supported and this bug was likely a wontfix.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Installing packages individually from one release on another release is not supported. Either upgrade the entire distro first, or stick to packages from the version you are on. However 'upgrade from release to Cauldron', when done correctly, should usually work as expected.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's really hard to test for dependencies like this, as the person</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; building the package will have working versions of everything.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Worse, in two years' time, perl-base of 5.14.3 will be hopelessly</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; outdated (we all expect, at least). So it becomes one more thing to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; maintain.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; But it's also a problem worth solving for some of the system-critical</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; components such as perl, urpmi and drak*. I don't think &quot;wontfix&quot; is a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; good answer here.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But, in supported use cases, urpmi *does* ensure that all the pieces to keep urpmi are upgraded in one transaction.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Supporting the use case of installing any random package from a different release will take more effort than just adding and maintaining a version on one perl-base dependency.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 04:04:39 Liam R E Quin wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Tue, 2011-12-13 at 16:31 -0800, Dan Fandrich wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I raised a bug ticket on drakxtools (#3731) because the RPM in Cauldron</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; installs without complaints in Mageia 1 but won't work there because</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; it requires a newer version of perl.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This is unsupported. Maybe you should instead contribute documentation that makes this more explicitly obvious, but it is a well-known rule in Mandriva and Mageia (and usually applies to other distros as well).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If this weren't the case, there wouldn't be a need for backports ...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The perl dependency in the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; RPM is listed as &quot;perl-base&quot; when it should really be something like</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &quot;perl-base &gt;= 5.14.2&quot; (Mageia 1 ships with version 5.12.3).  The response</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I got was that such an upgrade (from release to Cauldron) wasn't</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; supported and this bug was likely a wontfix.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Installing packages individually from one release on another release is not supported. Either upgrade the entire distro first, or stick to packages from the version you are on. However 'upgrade from release to Cauldron', when done correctly, should usually work as expected.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's really hard to test for dependencies like this, as the person</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; building the package will have working versions of everything.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Worse, in two years' time, perl-base of 5.14.3 will be hopelessly</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; outdated (we all expect, at least). So it becomes one more thing to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; maintain.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; But it's also a problem worth solving for some of the system-critical</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; components such as perl, urpmi and drak*. I don't think &quot;wontfix&quot; is a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; good answer here.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But, in supported use cases, urpmi *does* ensure that all the pieces to keep urpmi are upgraded in one transaction.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Supporting the use case of installing any random package from a different release will take more effort than just adding and maintaining a version on one perl-base dependency.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+%define version	0.9
+%define betaver 0
+%define rel 1
+
+%if %betaver
+%define release %mkrel -c %betaver %rel
+%define tarballver %version.%betaver
+%else
+%define release %mkrel %rel
+%define tarballver %version
+%endif
+
+%define libname %mklibname %{name} 1
+
+Summary:	An input method server for traditional Chinese
+Name:		hime
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+License:	LGPLv2+
+URL: 		http://hime.luna.com.tw/
+Group:		System/Internationalization
+Source0:	http://hime.luna.com.tw/%{name}-%{tarballver}.tar.bz2
+Patch4:		hime_libdir.patch
+Requires(post):	gtk+2.0
+Requires(postun): gtk+2.0
+BuildRequires:	gtk+2-devel
+BuildRequires:	gtk+3-devel
+BuildRequires:	qt4-devel
+BuildRequires:	anthy-devel
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}-%{release}
+Suggests:	%{name}-qt4 = %{version}-%{release}
+Requires:	locales-zh
+
+
+%description
+hime is a Chinese input method server for traditional Chinese. 
+It features a better GTK user interface.
+
+
+%package -n	%{libname}
+Summary:	hime library
+Group:		System/Internationalization
+Obsoletes:	%mklibname %{name} 0
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+hime is a Chinese input method server for traditional Chinese. 
+It features a better GTK user interface.
+
+%package	gtk3
+Summary:	gtk3 immodule for hime
+Group:		System/Internationalization
+Requires:	%name = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description	gtk3
+This is the gtk3 immodule support for hime.
+
+%package        qt4
+Summary:        Qt4 immodule for hime
+Group:          System/Internationalization
+Requires:       %libname = %{version}-%{release}
+Requires:       %name = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description    qt4
+This is the qt4 immodule support for hime.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{name}-%{tarballver}
+%patch4 -p0 -b .libdir
+
+%build
+%define _disable_ld_no_undefined 1
+%configure2_5x
+# (tv) disable parallel build (broken):
+make OPTFLAGS="%{optflags} -fPIC" EXTRA_LDFLAGS="%{?ldflags}" CC="gcc %{?ldflags}" CCLD="gcc %{?ldflags}"
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+# fix installing in proper path on x86_64:
+%makeinstall_std libdir=%buildroot%_libdir
+rm -fr %buildroot%_docdir/
+rm -fr %buildroot%_libdir/menu/
+
+# remove unneeded files
+rm -rf %{buildroot}/%{_includedir}
+
+%{find_lang} %{name}
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+# install gtk IM module
+gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.%_lib
+
+%postun
+gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.%_lib
+
+%post gtk3
+gtk-query-immodules-3.0 --update-cache
+
+%postun gtk3
+gtk-query-immodules-3.0 --update-cache
+
+%files -f %{name}.lang
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS Changelog* README*
+%{_bindir}/*
+%{_datadir}/applications/hime-tools.desktop
+%{_datadir}/hime
+%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
+%{_iconsdir}/*
+%{_mandir}/man?/*
+%{_libdir}/gtk-2.0/immodules/*.so
+
+%files gtk3
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/gtk-3.0/immodules/*.so
+
+%files qt4
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{qt4plugins}/inputmethods/*.so
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/hime/*
+
+
+%changelog
+* Wed Dec 14 2011 yochenhsieh <yochenhsieh> 0.9-1.mga2
+- first spec for Mageia
+- based on the spec of gcin. Thanks!
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+%define version	0.9
+%define betaver 0
+%define rel 1
+
+%if %betaver
+%define release %mkrel -c %betaver %rel
+%define tarballver %version.%betaver
+%else
+%define release %mkrel %rel
+%define tarballver %version
+%endif
+
+%define libname %mklibname %{name} 1
+
+Summary:	An input method server for traditional Chinese
+Name:		hime
+Version:	%{version}
+Release:	%{release}
+License:	LGPLv2+
+URL: 		http://hime.luna.com.tw/
+Group:		System/Internationalization
+Source0:	http://hime.luna.com.tw/%{name}-%{tarballver}.tar.bz2
+Patch4:		hime_libdir.patch
+Requires(post):	gtk+2.0
+Requires(postun): gtk+2.0
+BuildRequires:	gtk+2-devel
+BuildRequires:	gtk+3-devel
+BuildRequires:	qt4-devel
+BuildRequires:	anthy-devel
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}-%{release}
+Suggests:	%{name}-qt4 = %{version}-%{release}
+Requires:	locales-zh
+
+
+%description
+hime is a Chinese input method server for traditional Chinese. 
+It features a better GTK user interface.
+
+
+%package -n	%{libname}
+Summary:	hime library
+Group:		System/Internationalization
+Obsoletes:	%mklibname %{name} 0
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+hime is a Chinese input method server for traditional Chinese. 
+It features a better GTK user interface.
+
+%package	gtk3
+Summary:	gtk3 immodule for hime
+Group:		System/Internationalization
+Requires:	%name = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description	gtk3
+This is the gtk3 immodule support for hime.
+
+%package        qt4
+Summary:        Qt4 immodule for hime
+Group:          System/Internationalization
+Requires:       %libname = %{version}-%{release}
+Requires:       %name = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description    qt4
+This is the qt4 immodule support for hime.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{name}-%{tarballver}
+%patch4 -p0 -b .libdir
+
+%build
+%define _disable_ld_no_undefined 1
+%configure2_5x
+# (tv) disable parallel build (broken):
+make OPTFLAGS="%{optflags} -fPIC" EXTRA_LDFLAGS="%{?ldflags}" CC="gcc %{?ldflags}" CCLD="gcc %{?ldflags}"
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+# fix installing in proper path on x86_64:
+%makeinstall_std libdir=%buildroot%_libdir
+rm -fr %buildroot%_docdir/
+rm -fr %buildroot%_libdir/menu/
+
+# remove unneeded files
+rm -rf %{buildroot}/%{_includedir}
+
+%{find_lang} %{name}
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%post
+# install gtk IM module
+gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.%_lib
+
+%postun
+gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.%_lib
+
+%post gtk3
+gtk-query-immodules-3.0 --update-cache
+
+%postun gtk3
+gtk-query-immodules-3.0 --update-cache
+
+%files -f %{name}.lang
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS Changelog* README*
+%{_bindir}/*
+%{_datadir}/applications/hime-tools.desktop
+%{_datadir}/hime
+%{_datadir}/pixmaps/*
+%{_iconsdir}/*
+%{_mandir}/man?/*
+%{_libdir}/gtk-2.0/immodules/*.so
+
+%files gtk3
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/gtk-3.0/immodules/*.so
+
+%files qt4
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{qt4plugins}/inputmethods/*.so
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/hime/*
+
+
+%changelog
+* Wed Dec 14 2011 yochenhsieh <yochenhsieh> 0.9-1.mga2
+- first spec for Mageia
+- based on the spec of gcin. Thanks!
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111214/6a210e33/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111214/6a210e33/attachment-0001.html
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+same prob with alpha2<br><br>[root@localhost mga2]# cat /proc/asound/cards<br> 0 [VT82xx         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA VIA VT82xx<br>                      HDA VIA VT82xx at 0xfbffc000 irq 17<br> 1 [Bt878          ]: Bt87x - Brooktree Bt878<br>
+                      Brooktree Bt878 at 0xf7fff000, irq 17<br><br>[root@localhost mga2]# getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*<br>getfacl: Entferne führende &#39;/&#39; von absoluten Pfadnamen<br># file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0c<br># owner: root<br>
+# group: audio<br>user::rw-<br>group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br># file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0p<br># owner: root<br># group: audio<br>user::rw-<br>group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br># file: dev/snd/pcmC0D1p<br># owner: root<br># group: audio<br>
+user::rw-<br>group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br># file: dev/snd/pcmC1D0c<br># owner: root<br># group: audio<br>user::rw-<br>group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br># file: dev/snd/pcmC1D1c<br># owner: root<br># group: audio<br>user::rw-<br>
+group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br><br>[root@localhost mga2]# fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*<br>[root@localhost mga2]# <br>
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+same prob with alpha2<br><br>[root@localhost mga2]# cat /proc/asound/cards<br> 0 [VT82xx         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA VIA VT82xx<br>                      HDA VIA VT82xx at 0xfbffc000 irq 17<br> 1 [Bt878          ]: Bt87x - Brooktree Bt878<br>
+                      Brooktree Bt878 at 0xf7fff000, irq 17<br><br>[root@localhost mga2]# getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*<br>getfacl: Entferne führende &#39;/&#39; von absoluten Pfadnamen<br># file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0c<br># owner: root<br>
+# group: audio<br>user::rw-<br>group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br># file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0p<br># owner: root<br># group: audio<br>user::rw-<br>group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br># file: dev/snd/pcmC0D1p<br># owner: root<br># group: audio<br>
+user::rw-<br>group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br># file: dev/snd/pcmC1D0c<br># owner: root<br># group: audio<br>user::rw-<br>group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br># file: dev/snd/pcmC1D1c<br># owner: root<br># group: audio<br>user::rw-<br>
+group::rw-<br>other::---<br><br><br>[root@localhost mga2]# fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*<br>[root@localhost mga2]# <br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/15 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and magnus at 15/12/11 20:19 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;      3) Are you using systemd?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  I think so<br>
+<br>
+</div>What is the result of: /bin/mountpoint -q /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd &amp;&amp; echo<br>
+&quot;I&#39;m using systemd&quot;<br></blockquote><div>no result </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+This will confirm it.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;      4) What is the output from &quot;systemd-loginctl&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Error: &quot;Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unkhown<br>
+&gt; return code 1<br>
+<br>
+</div>Something else is pretty messed up then (assuming you are using systemd<br>
+which I&#39;m pretty sure you are).<br>
+<br>
+Is your /usr on a separate partition?<br></blockquote><div>no </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Either way, apply all updates, urpmi dracut and then run &quot;dracut -f&quot; to<br>
+regenerate your initrd and reboot.<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div>Done, and now a prob with X and starting the Display Manager </div><div><br></div><div>I`m waiting for the system...........</div><div><br></div><div>
+Magnus</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/15 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and magnus at 15/12/11 20:19 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;      3) Are you using systemd?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  I think so<br>
+<br>
+</div>What is the result of: /bin/mountpoint -q /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd &amp;&amp; echo<br>
+&quot;I&#39;m using systemd&quot;<br></blockquote><div>no result </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+This will confirm it.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;      4) What is the output from &quot;systemd-loginctl&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Error: &quot;Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unkhown<br>
+&gt; return code 1<br>
+<br>
+</div>Something else is pretty messed up then (assuming you are using systemd<br>
+which I&#39;m pretty sure you are).<br>
+<br>
+Is your /usr on a separate partition?<br></blockquote><div>no </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Either way, apply all updates, urpmi dracut and then run &quot;dracut -f&quot; to<br>
+regenerate your initrd and reboot.<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div>Done, and now a prob with X and starting the Display Manager </div><div><br></div><div>I`m waiting for the system...........</div><div><br></div><div>
+Magnus</div></div>
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+Next start shows the same,<div>first this Error</div><div><br></div><div>Display driver problem:<br><div>&quot;Detected a loaded display driver kernel modul which conflicts with the driver the X server is configured to use. Startup of X server may fail&quot;</div>
+<div><br></div><div>and then stop at</div><div>&quot;Started Display Manager&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>the driver &quot;nvidia-current (290.10-1mga2)&quot; is installed.</div><div><br></div><div>I think my installation is dead.</div>
+<div>So I will make a new installation  tomorrow evening.</div></div><div><br></div><div>It was a long day.</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div>
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+Next start shows the same,<div>first this Error</div><div><br></div><div>Display driver problem:<br><div>&quot;Detected a loaded display driver kernel modul which conflicts with the driver the X server is configured to use. Startup of X server may fail&quot;</div>
+<div><br></div><div>and then stop at</div><div>&quot;Started Display Manager&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>the driver &quot;nvidia-current (290.10-1mga2)&quot; is installed.</div><div><br></div><div>I think my installation is dead.</div>
+<div>So I will make a new installation  tomorrow evening.</div></div><div><br></div><div>It was a long day.</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/15 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;<br>
+So some follow-up questions for you:<br>
+ 1) Is this a clean install?<br></blockquote><div>it&#39;s an installation from alpha2 -dvd-64 with all updates</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ 2) Did you upgrade from mga1?<br></blockquote><div>no </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ 3) Are you using systemd?<br></blockquote><div> I think so</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ 4) What is the output from &quot;systemd-loginctl&quot;<br></blockquote><div>Error: &quot;Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unkhown return code 1 </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+ 5) Do you have a /etc/pam.d/system-auth.rpmnew?<br></blockquote><div>no </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ 6) Have you properly fixed up system-auth.rpmnew to include the missing<br>
+stuff?<br></blockquote><div>no </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+Col<br>
+<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Magnus </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/15 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;<br>
+So some follow-up questions for you:<br>
+ 1) Is this a clean install?<br></blockquote><div>it&#39;s an installation from alpha2 -dvd-64 with all updates</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ 2) Did you upgrade from mga1?<br></blockquote><div>no </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ 3) Are you using systemd?<br></blockquote><div> I think so</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ 4) What is the output from &quot;systemd-loginctl&quot;<br></blockquote><div>Error: &quot;Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unkhown return code 1 </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+ 5) Do you have a /etc/pam.d/system-auth.rpmnew?<br></blockquote><div>no </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ 6) Have you properly fixed up system-auth.rpmnew to include the missing<br>
+stuff?<br></blockquote><div>no </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+Col<br>
+<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Magnus </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I will in a moment. Dont know what happened since i only update tarball<br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Cc: </b>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;dlucio@okay.com.mx&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>sábado 17 de diciembre de 2011 16:58:44 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2<br><br></div>On 17 December 2011 02:59, D.Morgan <dmorganec@gmail.com> wrote:<br>>>> At some point all the Magiaification of postfix has been undone and it<br>>>> refers again to Mandriva Linux in various man pages and config files etc...<br>>>><br>>>> Not sure if it was this version or from before, but it should certainly<br>>>> be fixed.<br>>><br>>> It was<br>>> <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&revision=158099">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&revision=158099</a><br><br>All of this should be reverted<br><br>> i really think that this have nothing to do on our rpms<br>><br>> +%if "%{distribution}" == "Mandriva Linux"<br>> +       %if %mdkversion < 200900<br>> +       %post -n %{libname} -p /sbin/ldconfig<br>> +<br>> +       %postun -n %{libname} -p /sbin/ldconfig<br>> +       %endif<br>> +%endif<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I will in a moment. Dont know what happened since i only update tarball<br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Cc: </b>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;dlucio@okay.com.mx&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>sábado 17 de diciembre de 2011 16:58:44 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2<br><br></div>On 17 December 2011 02:59, D.Morgan <dmorganec@gmail.com> wrote:<br>>>> At some point all the Magiaification of postfix has been undone and it<br>>>> refers again to Mandriva Linux in various man pages and config files etc...<br>>>><br>>>> Not sure if it was this version or from before, but it should certainly<br>>>> be fixed.<br>>><br>>> It was<br>>> <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&revision=158099">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&revision=158099</a><br><br>All of this should be reverted<br><br>> i really think that this have nothing to do on our rpms<br>><br>> +%if "%{distribution}" == "Mandriva Linux"<br>> +       %if %mdkversion < 200900<br>> +       %post -n %{libname} -p /sbin/ldconfig<br>> +<br>> +       %postun -n %{libname} -p /sbin/ldconfig<br>> +       %endif<br>> +%endif<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+>From 96d4ca3852279b0ae85b8b4ea1031fda2574d610 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+From: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:16:18 +0200
+Subject: [PATCH] set default console as vt7 (proof-of-concept)
+
+---
+ drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c |    1 +
+ drivers/tty/vt/vt.c        |   24 ++++++++++++++++--------
+ 2 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
+
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
+index 7a367ff..cdab4d5 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
+@@ -662,5 +662,6 @@ int __init vcs_init(void)
+ 	device_create(vc_class, NULL, MKDEV(VCS_MAJOR, 128), NULL, "vcsa");
+ 	for (i = 0; i < MIN_NR_CONSOLES; i++)
+ 		vcs_make_sysfs(i);
++	vcs_make_sysfs(6);
+ 	return 0;
+ }
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+index e716839..72733ce 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+@@ -2871,6 +2871,19 @@ static void vc_init(struct vc_data *vc, unsigned int rows,
+ 	reset_terminal(vc, do_clear);
+ }
+ 
++static void __init con_init_early_cons(unsigned int cons)
++{
++	struct vc_data *vc;
++
++	vc_cons[cons].d = vc = kzalloc(sizeof(struct vc_data), GFP_NOWAIT);
++	INIT_WORK(&vc_cons[cons].SAK_work, vc_SAK);
++	tty_port_init(&vc->port);
++	visual_init(vc, cons, 1);
++	vc->vc_screenbuf = kzalloc(vc->vc_screenbuf_size, GFP_NOWAIT);
++	vc_init(vc, vc->vc_rows, vc->vc_cols,
++		cons || !vc->vc_sw->con_save_screen);
++}
++
+ /*
+  * This routine initializes console interrupts, and does nothing
+  * else. If you want the screen to clear, call tty_write with
+@@ -2915,15 +2928,10 @@ static int __init con_init(void)
+ 	}
+ 
+ 	for (currcons = 0; currcons < MIN_NR_CONSOLES; currcons++) {
+-		vc_cons[currcons].d = vc = kzalloc(sizeof(struct vc_data), GFP_NOWAIT);
+-		INIT_WORK(&vc_cons[currcons].SAK_work, vc_SAK);
+-		tty_port_init(&vc->port);
+-		visual_init(vc, currcons, 1);
+-		vc->vc_screenbuf = kzalloc(vc->vc_screenbuf_size, GFP_NOWAIT);
+-		vc_init(vc, vc->vc_rows, vc->vc_cols,
+-			currcons || !vc->vc_sw->con_save_screen);
++		con_init_early_cons(currcons);
+ 	}
+-	currcons = fg_console = 0;
++	con_init_early_cons(6);
++	currcons = fg_console = 6;
+ 	master_display_fg = vc = vc_cons[currcons].d;
+ 	set_origin(vc);
+ 	save_screen(vc);
+-- 
+1.7.7.2
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment-0002.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment-0002.bin
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index 000000000..50bfc1154
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+>From 83cb8160a3bd07138adc6a8938d6067f44a6cf22 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+From: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:24:04 +0200
+Subject: [PATCH] set default console as vt7 (proof-of-concept)
+
+---
+ drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c |    3 +--
+ drivers/tty/vt/vt.c        |    8 ++++----
+ include/linux/vt.h         |    2 +-
+ 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
+
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
+index 7a367ff..8d7dd54 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
+@@ -660,7 +660,6 @@ int __init vcs_init(void)
+ 
+ 	device_create(vc_class, NULL, MKDEV(VCS_MAJOR, 0), NULL, "vcs");
+ 	device_create(vc_class, NULL, MKDEV(VCS_MAJOR, 128), NULL, "vcsa");
+-	for (i = 0; i < MIN_NR_CONSOLES; i++)
+-		vcs_make_sysfs(i);
++	vcs_make_sysfs(DEFAULT_CONSOLE);
+ 	return 0;
+ }
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+index e716839..af6b932 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+@@ -1018,7 +1018,7 @@ void vc_deallocate(unsigned int currcons)
+ 		put_pid(vc->vt_pid);
+ 		module_put(vc->vc_sw->owner);
+ 		kfree(vc->vc_screenbuf);
+-		if (currcons >= MIN_NR_CONSOLES)
++		if (currcons != DEFAULT_CONSOLE)
+ 			kfree(vc);
+ 		vc_cons[currcons].d = NULL;
+ 	}
+@@ -2914,7 +2914,7 @@ static int __init con_init(void)
+ 		mod_timer(&console_timer, jiffies + (blankinterval * HZ));
+ 	}
+ 
+-	for (currcons = 0; currcons < MIN_NR_CONSOLES; currcons++) {
++	currcons = DEFAULT_CONSOLE;
+ 		vc_cons[currcons].d = vc = kzalloc(sizeof(struct vc_data), GFP_NOWAIT);
+ 		INIT_WORK(&vc_cons[currcons].SAK_work, vc_SAK);
+ 		tty_port_init(&vc->port);
+@@ -2922,8 +2922,8 @@ static int __init con_init(void)
+ 		vc->vc_screenbuf = kzalloc(vc->vc_screenbuf_size, GFP_NOWAIT);
+ 		vc_init(vc, vc->vc_rows, vc->vc_cols,
+ 			currcons || !vc->vc_sw->con_save_screen);
+-	}
+-	currcons = fg_console = 0;
++
++	fg_console = currcons;
+ 	master_display_fg = vc = vc_cons[currcons].d;
+ 	set_origin(vc);
+ 	save_screen(vc);
+diff --git a/include/linux/vt.h b/include/linux/vt.h
+index 30a8dd9..6abf4fb 100644
+--- a/include/linux/vt.h
++++ b/include/linux/vt.h
+@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
+  * These constants are also useful for user-level apps (e.g., VC
+  * resizing).
+  */
+-#define MIN_NR_CONSOLES 1       /* must be at least 1 */
++#define DEFAULT_CONSOLE 6
+ #define MAX_NR_CONSOLES	63	/* serial lines start at 64 */
+ #define MAX_NR_USER_CONSOLES 63	/* must be root to allocate above this */
+ 		/* Note: the ioctl VT_GETSTATE does not work for
+-- 
+1.7.7.2
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment-0003.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment-0003.bin
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@@ -0,0 +1,39 @@
+>From 3647fb1d98ef0bbd9fac4ea44a868835bada0a69 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+From: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:56:38 +0200
+Subject: [PATCH] set default console as vt7 (proof-of-concept)
+
+---
+ drivers/tty/vt/vt.c |    2 +-
+ include/linux/vt.h  |    2 +-
+ 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
+
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+index e716839..4c2782c 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+@@ -2923,7 +2923,7 @@ static int __init con_init(void)
+ 		vc_init(vc, vc->vc_rows, vc->vc_cols,
+ 			currcons || !vc->vc_sw->con_save_screen);
+ 	}
+-	currcons = fg_console = 0;
++	currcons = fg_console = 6;
+ 	master_display_fg = vc = vc_cons[currcons].d;
+ 	set_origin(vc);
+ 	save_screen(vc);
+diff --git a/include/linux/vt.h b/include/linux/vt.h
+index 30a8dd9..663308a 100644
+--- a/include/linux/vt.h
++++ b/include/linux/vt.h
+@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
+  * These constants are also useful for user-level apps (e.g., VC
+  * resizing).
+  */
+-#define MIN_NR_CONSOLES 1       /* must be at least 1 */
++#define MIN_NR_CONSOLES 7       /* must be at least 1 */
+ #define MAX_NR_CONSOLES	63	/* serial lines start at 64 */
+ #define MAX_NR_USER_CONSOLES 63	/* must be root to allocate above this */
+ 		/* Note: the ioctl VT_GETSTATE does not work for
+-- 
+1.7.7.2
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment-0004.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment-0004.bin
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+>From 96d4ca3852279b0ae85b8b4ea1031fda2574d610 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+From: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:16:18 +0200
+Subject: [PATCH] set default console as vt7 (proof-of-concept)
+
+---
+ drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c |    1 +
+ drivers/tty/vt/vt.c        |   24 ++++++++++++++++--------
+ 2 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
+
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
+index 7a367ff..cdab4d5 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
+@@ -662,5 +662,6 @@ int __init vcs_init(void)
+ 	device_create(vc_class, NULL, MKDEV(VCS_MAJOR, 128), NULL, "vcsa");
+ 	for (i = 0; i < MIN_NR_CONSOLES; i++)
+ 		vcs_make_sysfs(i);
++	vcs_make_sysfs(6);
+ 	return 0;
+ }
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+index e716839..72733ce 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+@@ -2871,6 +2871,19 @@ static void vc_init(struct vc_data *vc, unsigned int rows,
+ 	reset_terminal(vc, do_clear);
+ }
+ 
++static void __init con_init_early_cons(unsigned int cons)
++{
++	struct vc_data *vc;
++
++	vc_cons[cons].d = vc = kzalloc(sizeof(struct vc_data), GFP_NOWAIT);
++	INIT_WORK(&vc_cons[cons].SAK_work, vc_SAK);
++	tty_port_init(&vc->port);
++	visual_init(vc, cons, 1);
++	vc->vc_screenbuf = kzalloc(vc->vc_screenbuf_size, GFP_NOWAIT);
++	vc_init(vc, vc->vc_rows, vc->vc_cols,
++		cons || !vc->vc_sw->con_save_screen);
++}
++
+ /*
+  * This routine initializes console interrupts, and does nothing
+  * else. If you want the screen to clear, call tty_write with
+@@ -2915,15 +2928,10 @@ static int __init con_init(void)
+ 	}
+ 
+ 	for (currcons = 0; currcons < MIN_NR_CONSOLES; currcons++) {
+-		vc_cons[currcons].d = vc = kzalloc(sizeof(struct vc_data), GFP_NOWAIT);
+-		INIT_WORK(&vc_cons[currcons].SAK_work, vc_SAK);
+-		tty_port_init(&vc->port);
+-		visual_init(vc, currcons, 1);
+-		vc->vc_screenbuf = kzalloc(vc->vc_screenbuf_size, GFP_NOWAIT);
+-		vc_init(vc, vc->vc_rows, vc->vc_cols,
+-			currcons || !vc->vc_sw->con_save_screen);
++		con_init_early_cons(currcons);
+ 	}
+-	currcons = fg_console = 0;
++	con_init_early_cons(6);
++	currcons = fg_console = 6;
+ 	master_display_fg = vc = vc_cons[currcons].d;
+ 	set_origin(vc);
+ 	save_screen(vc);
+-- 
+1.7.7.2
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment-0005.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment-0005.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..50bfc1154
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment-0005.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,73 @@
+>From 83cb8160a3bd07138adc6a8938d6067f44a6cf22 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+From: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:24:04 +0200
+Subject: [PATCH] set default console as vt7 (proof-of-concept)
+
+---
+ drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c |    3 +--
+ drivers/tty/vt/vt.c        |    8 ++++----
+ include/linux/vt.h         |    2 +-
+ 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
+
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
+index 7a367ff..8d7dd54 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vc_screen.c
+@@ -660,7 +660,6 @@ int __init vcs_init(void)
+ 
+ 	device_create(vc_class, NULL, MKDEV(VCS_MAJOR, 0), NULL, "vcs");
+ 	device_create(vc_class, NULL, MKDEV(VCS_MAJOR, 128), NULL, "vcsa");
+-	for (i = 0; i < MIN_NR_CONSOLES; i++)
+-		vcs_make_sysfs(i);
++	vcs_make_sysfs(DEFAULT_CONSOLE);
+ 	return 0;
+ }
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+index e716839..af6b932 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+@@ -1018,7 +1018,7 @@ void vc_deallocate(unsigned int currcons)
+ 		put_pid(vc->vt_pid);
+ 		module_put(vc->vc_sw->owner);
+ 		kfree(vc->vc_screenbuf);
+-		if (currcons >= MIN_NR_CONSOLES)
++		if (currcons != DEFAULT_CONSOLE)
+ 			kfree(vc);
+ 		vc_cons[currcons].d = NULL;
+ 	}
+@@ -2914,7 +2914,7 @@ static int __init con_init(void)
+ 		mod_timer(&console_timer, jiffies + (blankinterval * HZ));
+ 	}
+ 
+-	for (currcons = 0; currcons < MIN_NR_CONSOLES; currcons++) {
++	currcons = DEFAULT_CONSOLE;
+ 		vc_cons[currcons].d = vc = kzalloc(sizeof(struct vc_data), GFP_NOWAIT);
+ 		INIT_WORK(&vc_cons[currcons].SAK_work, vc_SAK);
+ 		tty_port_init(&vc->port);
+@@ -2922,8 +2922,8 @@ static int __init con_init(void)
+ 		vc->vc_screenbuf = kzalloc(vc->vc_screenbuf_size, GFP_NOWAIT);
+ 		vc_init(vc, vc->vc_rows, vc->vc_cols,
+ 			currcons || !vc->vc_sw->con_save_screen);
+-	}
+-	currcons = fg_console = 0;
++
++	fg_console = currcons;
+ 	master_display_fg = vc = vc_cons[currcons].d;
+ 	set_origin(vc);
+ 	save_screen(vc);
+diff --git a/include/linux/vt.h b/include/linux/vt.h
+index 30a8dd9..6abf4fb 100644
+--- a/include/linux/vt.h
++++ b/include/linux/vt.h
+@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
+  * These constants are also useful for user-level apps (e.g., VC
+  * resizing).
+  */
+-#define MIN_NR_CONSOLES 1       /* must be at least 1 */
++#define DEFAULT_CONSOLE 6
+ #define MAX_NR_CONSOLES	63	/* serial lines start at 64 */
+ #define MAX_NR_USER_CONSOLES 63	/* must be root to allocate above this */
+ 		/* Note: the ioctl VT_GETSTATE does not work for
+-- 
+1.7.7.2
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..fdb97f9ec
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/d36a25cc/attachment.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,39 @@
+>From 3647fb1d98ef0bbd9fac4ea44a868835bada0a69 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+From: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:56:38 +0200
+Subject: [PATCH] set default console as vt7 (proof-of-concept)
+
+---
+ drivers/tty/vt/vt.c |    2 +-
+ include/linux/vt.h  |    2 +-
+ 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
+
+diff --git a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+index e716839..4c2782c 100644
+--- a/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
++++ b/drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
+@@ -2923,7 +2923,7 @@ static int __init con_init(void)
+ 		vc_init(vc, vc->vc_rows, vc->vc_cols,
+ 			currcons || !vc->vc_sw->con_save_screen);
+ 	}
+-	currcons = fg_console = 0;
++	currcons = fg_console = 6;
+ 	master_display_fg = vc = vc_cons[currcons].d;
+ 	set_origin(vc);
+ 	save_screen(vc);
+diff --git a/include/linux/vt.h b/include/linux/vt.h
+index 30a8dd9..663308a 100644
+--- a/include/linux/vt.h
++++ b/include/linux/vt.h
+@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
+  * These constants are also useful for user-level apps (e.g., VC
+  * resizing).
+  */
+-#define MIN_NR_CONSOLES 1       /* must be at least 1 */
++#define MIN_NR_CONSOLES 7       /* must be at least 1 */
+ #define MAX_NR_CONSOLES	63	/* serial lines start at 64 */
+ #define MAX_NR_USER_CONSOLES 63	/* must be root to allocate above this */
+ 		/* Note: the ioctl VT_GETSTATE does not work for
+-- 
+1.7.7.2
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f0cb7dda/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f0cb7dda/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..428b7418a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f0cb7dda/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,23 @@
+Hi, all. I also wish we could find translators for all languages but I&#39;m afraid this is not very realistic. Instead I suggest a bit softer solution. We replace word Mandriva with Mageia were we can in bootloader *.po files and mark those strings fuzzy. I can offer my help for that to the extend of my abilities.<br>
+<br><br>Thanks for Alpha 2 and happy holidays,<br>Filip.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 December 2011 23:59, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
+<br>
+these days Damien contacted me about the bootloader translation.<br>
+The problem is, we do have quite some languages, that don&#39;t have i18n teams in<br>
+Mageia.<br>
+So there are quite some languages where the bootloader still contains strings<br>
+about Mandriva.<br>
+<br>
+Now there are two solutions.<br>
+Either we do find translators of those languages, who fix those translations<br>
+(and while they are on it, join i18n and fix/complete all other translations as<br>
+well :D)<br>
+or we just delete those translated strings. People in those languages will<br>
+then see English strings instead but at least no Mandriva strings any more.<br>
+<br>
+If you are interested in helping us, have a look at<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_%28i18n%29" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n)</a><br>
+and do contact me.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f0cb7dda/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f0cb7dda/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..428b7418a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f0cb7dda/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,23 @@
+Hi, all. I also wish we could find translators for all languages but I&#39;m afraid this is not very realistic. Instead I suggest a bit softer solution. We replace word Mandriva with Mageia were we can in bootloader *.po files and mark those strings fuzzy. I can offer my help for that to the extend of my abilities.<br>
+<br><br>Thanks for Alpha 2 and happy holidays,<br>Filip.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 December 2011 23:59, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
+<br>
+these days Damien contacted me about the bootloader translation.<br>
+The problem is, we do have quite some languages, that don&#39;t have i18n teams in<br>
+Mageia.<br>
+So there are quite some languages where the bootloader still contains strings<br>
+about Mandriva.<br>
+<br>
+Now there are two solutions.<br>
+Either we do find translators of those languages, who fix those translations<br>
+(and while they are on it, join i18n and fix/complete all other translations as<br>
+well :D)<br>
+or we just delete those translated strings. People in those languages will<br>
+then see English strings instead but at least no Mandriva strings any more.<br>
+<br>
+If you are interested in helping us, have a look at<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_%28i18n%29" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n)</a><br>
+and do contact me.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f1909ae7/attachment-0001.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f1909ae7/attachment-0001.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..1fa07f734
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f1909ae7/attachment-0001.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,43 @@
+#!/bin/bash
+# -*- mode: shell-script; indent-tabs-mode: nil; sh-basic-offset: 4; -*-
+# ex: ts=8 sw=4 sts=4 et filetype=sh
+
+dracutfunctions=/usr/lib/dracut/dracut-functions
+hostonly=1
+
+check() {
+    local _rootdev _usrdev _needed
+    # No point trying to support lvm if the binaries are missing
+    type -P lvm >/dev/null || return 1
+
+    . $dracutfunctions
+    [[ $debug ]] && set -x
+
+    is_lvm() { [[ $(get_fs_type /dev/block/$1) = LVM2_member ]]; }
+
+    [[ $hostonly ]] && {
+        _rootdev=$(find_root_block_device)
+        if [[ $_rootdev ]]; then
+            # root lives on a block device, so we can be more precise about
+            # hostonly checking
+echo "Checking / via $_rootdev"
+            check_block_and_slaves is_lvm "$_rootdev" && _needed=1
+        else
+            # root is not on a block device, use the shotgun approach
+            blkid | grep -q LVM2_member && _needed=1
+        fi
+
+        [[ $_needed ]] || {
+            _usrdev=$(find_block_device /usr)
+            if [[ $_usrdev ]]; then
+echo "Checking /usr via $_usrdev"
+                check_block_and_slaves is_lvm "$_usrdev" && _needed=1
+            fi
+        }
+    }
+echo "_needed=$_needed"
+    [[ $_needed ]]
+}
+
+check
+echo $?
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f1909ae7/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f1909ae7/attachment.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..1fa07f734
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111218/f1909ae7/attachment.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,43 @@
+#!/bin/bash
+# -*- mode: shell-script; indent-tabs-mode: nil; sh-basic-offset: 4; -*-
+# ex: ts=8 sw=4 sts=4 et filetype=sh
+
+dracutfunctions=/usr/lib/dracut/dracut-functions
+hostonly=1
+
+check() {
+    local _rootdev _usrdev _needed
+    # No point trying to support lvm if the binaries are missing
+    type -P lvm >/dev/null || return 1
+
+    . $dracutfunctions
+    [[ $debug ]] && set -x
+
+    is_lvm() { [[ $(get_fs_type /dev/block/$1) = LVM2_member ]]; }
+
+    [[ $hostonly ]] && {
+        _rootdev=$(find_root_block_device)
+        if [[ $_rootdev ]]; then
+            # root lives on a block device, so we can be more precise about
+            # hostonly checking
+echo "Checking / via $_rootdev"
+            check_block_and_slaves is_lvm "$_rootdev" && _needed=1
+        else
+            # root is not on a block device, use the shotgun approach
+            blkid | grep -q LVM2_member && _needed=1
+        fi
+
+        [[ $_needed ]] || {
+            _usrdev=$(find_block_device /usr)
+            if [[ $_usrdev ]]; then
+echo "Checking /usr via $_usrdev"
+                check_block_and_slaves is_lvm "$_usrdev" && _needed=1
+            fi
+        }
+    }
+echo "_needed=$_needed"
+    [[ $_needed ]]
+}
+
+check
+echo $?
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@@ -0,0 +1,7 @@
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111219/a1f6de06/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111219/a1f6de06/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..9a6d8c43f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111219/a1f6de06/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,73 @@
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Florian reads both lists, so I'm pretty sure this would have been
+    mentioned somewhere in Mageia-land, but I  want to add that I have
+    experienced extreme delays in firefox and other apps when I run
+    largely IO-intensive apps with large file buffersizes, and the
+    workaround in this comment fixes this completely.  We  should
+    consider this for our kernels if we haven't already.<br>
+    <br>
+    -------- Original Message --------
+    <table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellpadding="0"
+      cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Subject: </th>
+          <td>Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow
+            storage devices</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Date: </th>
+          <td>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:36:02 +0100</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">From: </th>
+          <td>Florian Hubold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">&lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Reply-To:
+          </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cooker@mandrivalinux.org">cooker@mandrivalinux.org</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">To: </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cooker@mandrivalinux.org">cooker@mandrivalinux.org</a></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>Am 19.12.2011 10:26, schrieb Franck Bui:
+&gt; Hello,
+&gt;
+&gt; I've noticed a regression on my system which can stall some applications
+&gt; (most notably firefox) during very very long time (&gt; 10 mins).
+Man, you're my hero, trying to find out what causes this since some months now.
+At least two thumbs up! :)
+&gt; It's apparently related to transparent huge pages and I found that it
+&gt; had already been described by LWN here a month ago:
+&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/">http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/</a>.
+&gt;
+&gt; Unlike what it's stated in the article, the regression is not really
+&gt; hard to trigger in my case: just plug a USB stick, copy on it a big
+&gt; file, then try to use firefox...
+&gt;
+&gt; To fix this, simply try to disable THP:
+&gt;
+&gt;   echo madvise &gt;/sys/kernel/mm//transparent_hugepage/enabled
+&gt;
+&gt; and firefox should work as expected now.
+&gt;
+&gt; So, if no one objects, the plan is to simply default the THP stuff to
+&gt; "madvise" for desktop flavour where an application has to ask
+&gt; explicitly huge page otherwise it will be disabled.
+&gt;
+
+
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111219/a1f6de06/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111219/a1f6de06/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..9a6d8c43f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20111219/a1f6de06/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,73 @@
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Florian reads both lists, so I'm pretty sure this would have been
+    mentioned somewhere in Mageia-land, but I  want to add that I have
+    experienced extreme delays in firefox and other apps when I run
+    largely IO-intensive apps with large file buffersizes, and the
+    workaround in this comment fixes this completely.  We  should
+    consider this for our kernels if we haven't already.<br>
+    <br>
+    -------- Original Message --------
+    <table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellpadding="0"
+      cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Subject: </th>
+          <td>Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow
+            storage devices</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Date: </th>
+          <td>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:36:02 +0100</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">From: </th>
+          <td>Florian Hubold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">&lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Reply-To:
+          </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cooker@mandrivalinux.org">cooker@mandrivalinux.org</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">To: </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cooker@mandrivalinux.org">cooker@mandrivalinux.org</a></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>Am 19.12.2011 10:26, schrieb Franck Bui:
+&gt; Hello,
+&gt;
+&gt; I've noticed a regression on my system which can stall some applications
+&gt; (most notably firefox) during very very long time (&gt; 10 mins).
+Man, you're my hero, trying to find out what causes this since some months now.
+At least two thumbs up! :)
+&gt; It's apparently related to transparent huge pages and I found that it
+&gt; had already been described by LWN here a month ago:
+&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/">http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/</a>.
+&gt;
+&gt; Unlike what it's stated in the article, the regression is not really
+&gt; hard to trigger in my case: just plug a USB stick, copy on it a big
+&gt; file, then try to use firefox...
+&gt;
+&gt; To fix this, simply try to disable THP:
+&gt;
+&gt;   echo madvise &gt;/sys/kernel/mm//transparent_hugepage/enabled
+&gt;
+&gt; and firefox should work as expected now.
+&gt;
+&gt; So, if no one objects, the plan is to simply default the THP stuff to
+&gt; "madvise" for desktop flavour where an application has to ask
+&gt; explicitly huge page otherwise it will be disabled.
+&gt;
+
+
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    I've been noticing this symptom for a while now especially when
+    running programs that copy large files using large buffer sizes. 
+    It's worse than just firefox, as the entire desktop will freeze for
+    minutes at a time.<br>
+    <br>
+    This change/workaround cleared this up entirely for me.  If we
+    haven't incorporated this yet, we should consider doing so.<br>
+    <br>
+    -------- Original Message --------
+    <table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellpadding="0"
+      cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Subject: </th>
+          <td>Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow
+            storage devices</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Date: </th>
+          <td>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:36:02 +0100</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">From: </th>
+          <td>Florian Hubold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">&lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Reply-To:
+          </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cooker@mandrivalinux.org">cooker@mandrivalinux.org</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">To: </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cooker@mandrivalinux.org">cooker@mandrivalinux.org</a></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>Am 19.12.2011 10:26, schrieb Franck Bui:
+&gt; Hello,
+&gt;
+&gt; I've noticed a regression on my system which can stall some applications
+&gt; (most notably firefox) during very very long time (&gt; 10 mins).
+Man, you're my hero, trying to find out what causes this since some months now.
+At least two thumbs up! :)
+&gt; It's apparently related to transparent huge pages and I found that it
+&gt; had already been described by LWN here a month ago:
+&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/">http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/</a>.
+&gt;
+&gt; Unlike what it's stated in the article, the regression is not really
+&gt; hard to trigger in my case: just plug a USB stick, copy on it a big
+&gt; file, then try to use firefox...
+&gt;
+&gt; To fix this, simply try to disable THP:
+&gt;
+&gt;   echo madvise &gt;/sys/kernel/mm//transparent_hugepage/enabled
+&gt;
+&gt; and firefox should work as expected now.
+&gt;
+&gt; So, if no one objects, the plan is to simply default the THP stuff to
+&gt; "madvise" for desktop flavour where an application has to ask
+&gt; explicitly huge page otherwise it will be disabled.
+&gt;
+
+
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    I've been noticing this symptom for a while now especially when
+    running programs that copy large files using large buffer sizes. 
+    It's worse than just firefox, as the entire desktop will freeze for
+    minutes at a time.<br>
+    <br>
+    This change/workaround cleared this up entirely for me.  If we
+    haven't incorporated this yet, we should consider doing so.<br>
+    <br>
+    -------- Original Message --------
+    <table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellpadding="0"
+      cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Subject: </th>
+          <td>Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow
+            storage devices</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Date: </th>
+          <td>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:36:02 +0100</td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">From: </th>
+          <td>Florian Hubold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">&lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Reply-To:
+          </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cooker@mandrivalinux.org">cooker@mandrivalinux.org</a></td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr>
+          <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">To: </th>
+          <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cooker@mandrivalinux.org">cooker@mandrivalinux.org</a></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <pre>Am 19.12.2011 10:26, schrieb Franck Bui:
+&gt; Hello,
+&gt;
+&gt; I've noticed a regression on my system which can stall some applications
+&gt; (most notably firefox) during very very long time (&gt; 10 mins).
+Man, you're my hero, trying to find out what causes this since some months now.
+At least two thumbs up! :)
+&gt; It's apparently related to transparent huge pages and I found that it
+&gt; had already been described by LWN here a month ago:
+&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/">http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/</a>.
+&gt;
+&gt; Unlike what it's stated in the article, the regression is not really
+&gt; hard to trigger in my case: just plug a USB stick, copy on it a big
+&gt; file, then try to use firefox...
+&gt;
+&gt; To fix this, simply try to disable THP:
+&gt;
+&gt;   echo madvise &gt;/sys/kernel/mm//transparent_hugepage/enabled
+&gt;
+&gt; and firefox should work as expected now.
+&gt;
+&gt; So, if no one objects, the plan is to simply default the THP stuff to
+&gt; "madvise" for desktop flavour where an application has to ask
+&gt; explicitly huge page otherwise it will be disabled.
+&gt;
+
+
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hello,<br><br>I did today an update (the first since two weeks because I moved in a new house) and now I have an error with dracut :<br><br><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+
+dracut : starting plymouth daemon<br>dracut Warning : No root device &quot;block:/dev/disk/by-uuid/9cb95d77-e3f0-43ab-be24-adb48e5facbd&quot; found<br>dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist<br>dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist<br>
+
+<br>Dropping to debug shell<br>sh : 0 can&#39;t access tty; job control turned off<br></blockquote><br>And now I have a very small set of commands (for example the command &quot;vi&quot; isn&#39;t functionnal).<br><br>How send to you more informations and how solve this problem ?<br>
+
+<br>Thanks,<br>Thibaut<br><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>I did today an update (the first since two weeks because I moved in a new house) and now I have an error with dracut :<br><br><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+
+dracut : starting plymouth daemon<br>dracut Warning : No root device &quot;block:/dev/disk/by-uuid/9cb95d77-e3f0-43ab-be24-adb48e5facbd&quot; found<br>dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist<br>dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist<br>
+
+<br>Dropping to debug shell<br>sh : 0 can&#39;t access tty; job control turned off<br></blockquote><br>And now I have a very small set of commands (for example the command &quot;vi&quot; isn&#39;t functionnal).<br><br>How send to you more informations and how solve this problem ?<br>
+
+<br>Thanks,<br>Thibaut<br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/29 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Thibaut FRANCOIS at 29/12/11 12:15 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I did today an update (the first since two weeks because I moved in a<br>
+&gt; new house) and now I have an error with dracut :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     dracut : starting plymouth daemon<br>
+&gt;     dracut Warning : No root device<br>
+&gt;     &quot;block:/dev/disk/by-uuid/9cb95d77-e3f0-43ab-be24-adb48e5facbd&quot; found<br>
+&gt;     dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist<br>
+&gt;     dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Dropping to debug shell<br>
+&gt;     sh : 0 can&#39;t access tty; job control turned off<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And now I have a very small set of commands (for example the command<br>
+&gt; &quot;vi&quot; isn&#39;t functionnal).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; How send to you more informations and how solve this problem ?<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Try removing the &quot;resume=&quot; bit of the kernel command line. I need to<br>
+look into the problem properly, but this is what I&#39;ve found to be the<br>
+cause... not quite sure why it messes other things up, but it&#39;s on my list.<br>
+<br>
+Can you confirm whether this fixes if for you? No need to rebuild initrd<br>
+or anything, just edit the command line at the grub prompt.<br>
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--</font></span><br></blockquote><div><br>Thanks Colin, that fixes it for me. I have again a problem with the last kernel and nvidia module, but with the kernel 3.1.4 it&#39;s ok.<br><br>Thibaut<br> </div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/29 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Thibaut FRANCOIS at 29/12/11 12:15 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I did today an update (the first since two weeks because I moved in a<br>
+&gt; new house) and now I have an error with dracut :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     dracut : starting plymouth daemon<br>
+&gt;     dracut Warning : No root device<br>
+&gt;     &quot;block:/dev/disk/by-uuid/9cb95d77-e3f0-43ab-be24-adb48e5facbd&quot; found<br>
+&gt;     dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist<br>
+&gt;     dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     Dropping to debug shell<br>
+&gt;     sh : 0 can&#39;t access tty; job control turned off<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And now I have a very small set of commands (for example the command<br>
+&gt; &quot;vi&quot; isn&#39;t functionnal).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; How send to you more informations and how solve this problem ?<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Try removing the &quot;resume=&quot; bit of the kernel command line. I need to<br>
+look into the problem properly, but this is what I&#39;ve found to be the<br>
+cause... not quite sure why it messes other things up, but it&#39;s on my list.<br>
+<br>
+Can you confirm whether this fixes if for you? No need to rebuild initrd<br>
+or anything, just edit the command line at the grub prompt.<br>
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--</font></span><br></blockquote><div><br>Thanks Colin, that fixes it for me. I have again a problem with the last kernel and nvidia module, but with the kernel 3.1.4 it&#39;s ok.<br><br>Thibaut<br> </div></div>
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+<p><br>
+On Jan 1, 2012 9:01 PM, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrot<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; But I still don&#39;t get why kdelibs4-devel is required ? I mean why<br>
+&gt; &gt; those files can&#39;t install without it ? as I see it, the list of files<br>
+&gt; &gt; is fine on the spec, it is the same as in the error... can you care to<br>
+&gt; &gt; explain a little ? :)<br>
+&gt; Simply because there is a kde4 plugin, so CmakeList check the kde4 prefix but also links against kdelibs.Simply check the CmakeList to have more detail .</p>
+<p>Ahh ok, I&#39;ll have that in mind next time  :)</p><p><br></p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Juancho<br></p>
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+<p><br>
+On Jan 1, 2012 9:01 PM, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrot<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; But I still don&#39;t get why kdelibs4-devel is required ? I mean why<br>
+&gt; &gt; those files can&#39;t install without it ? as I see it, the list of files<br>
+&gt; &gt; is fine on the spec, it is the same as in the error... can you care to<br>
+&gt; &gt; explain a little ? :)<br>
+&gt; Simply because there is a kde4 plugin, so CmakeList check the kde4 prefix but also links against kdelibs.Simply check the CmakeList to have more detail .</p>
+<p>Ahh ok, I&#39;ll have that in mind next time  :)</p><p><br></p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Juancho<br></p>
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+Le dimanche 1 janvier 2012, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br><br>&gt; Thanks, that was the problem !!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; But I still don&#39;t get why kdelibs4-devel is required ? I mean why<br>
+&gt; those files can&#39;t install without it ? as I see it, the list of files<br>&gt; is fine on the spec, it is the same as in the error... can you care to<br>&gt; explain a little ? :)<br>Simply because there is a kde4 plugin, so CmakeList check the kde4 prefix but also links against kdelibs.Simply check the CmakeList to have more detail .<br>
+<br>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
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+Le dimanche 1 janvier 2012, Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br><br>&gt; Thanks, that was the problem !!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; But I still don&#39;t get why kdelibs4-devel is required ? I mean why<br>
+&gt; those files can&#39;t install without it ? as I see it, the list of files<br>&gt; is fine on the spec, it is the same as in the error... can you care to<br>&gt; explain a little ? :)<br>Simply because there is a kde4 plugin, so CmakeList check the kde4 prefix but also links against kdelibs.Simply check the CmakeList to have more detail .<br>
+<br>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
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+Well, I don&#39;t know because after try to configure the display with drakex and a reboot, the display is now right.<br>I try this argument if the problem occurs again.<br><br>Thanks and happy new year :)<br><br>Thibaut<br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/29 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Thibaut FRANCOIS at 29/12/11 14:36 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Thanks Colin, that fixes it for me. I have again a problem with the last<br>
+&gt; kernel and nvidia module, but with the kernel 3.1.4 it&#39;s ok.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Does the &quot;nokmsboot&quot; argument not help here?<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+Col<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Well, I don&#39;t know because after try to configure the display with drakex and a reboot, the display is now right.<br>I try this argument if the problem occurs again.<br><br>Thanks and happy new year :)<br><br>Thibaut<br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/29 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Thibaut FRANCOIS at 29/12/11 14:36 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Thanks Colin, that fixes it for me. I have again a problem with the last<br>
+&gt; kernel and nvidia module, but with the kernel 3.1.4 it&#39;s ok.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Does the &quot;nokmsboot&quot; argument not help here?<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+Col<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment-0001.obj
new file mode 100644
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+(readCardsDB,handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE) handle new DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE keyword
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 4efd4ad..d3f1a8c 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- handle drivers needing SSE
++
+ Version 0.99 - 18 December 2011
+ - default to 24bit with QXL driver (16 bit doesn't work)
+ - do not offer to try KMS drivers during installation (mga#3711)
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+index 133dd08..30a5929 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+@@ -496,7 +497,10 @@ sub readCardsDB {
+ 	CHIPSET => sub { $card->{Chipset} = $val },
+ 	DRIVER => sub { $card->{Driver} = $val },
+ 	DRIVER2 => sub { $card->{Driver2} = $val },
++	DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE => sub { $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} = 1 },
+ 	DRIVER2_NO_SSE => sub { $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} = $val },
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm b/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
+index 350a116..e718834 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
+@@ -37,12 +37,28 @@ sub install_matrox_hal {
+ sub handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE {
+     my ($card) = @_;
+ 
+-    $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} or return;
++    $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} || $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} or return;
+ 
+     require detect_devices;
+     if (!detect_devices::has_cpu_flag('sse')) {
+-	log::l("$card->{Driver2} need a processor featuring SSE, switching back to $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE}");
+-	$card->{Driver2} = $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE};
++	my $driver = $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} ? $card->{DRIVER} : $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE};
++	log::l("$card->{Driver2} need a processor featuring SSE, switching back to $driver");
++	$card->{Driver2} = $driver;
+     }
+ }
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment-0002.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment-0002.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..851e31d13
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment-0002.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,43 @@
+(readCardsDB,handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE) handle new DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE keyword
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 4efd4ad..d3f1a8c 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- handle drivers needing SSE
++
+ Version 0.99 - 18 December 2011
+ - default to 24bit with QXL driver (16 bit doesn't work)
+ - do not offer to try KMS drivers during installation (mga#3711)
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+index 133dd08..30a5929 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+@@ -496,7 +497,10 @@ sub readCardsDB {
+ 	CHIPSET => sub { $card->{Chipset} = $val },
+ 	DRIVER => sub { $card->{Driver} = $val },
+ 	DRIVER2 => sub { $card->{Driver2} = $val },
++	DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE => sub { $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} = 1 },
+ 	DRIVER2_NO_SSE => sub { $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} = $val },
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm b/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
+index 350a116..e718834 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
+@@ -37,12 +37,28 @@ sub install_matrox_hal {
+ sub handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE {
+     my ($card) = @_;
+ 
+-    $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} or return;
++    $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} || $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} or return;
+ 
+     require detect_devices;
+     if (!detect_devices::has_cpu_flag('sse')) {
+-	log::l("$card->{Driver2} need a processor featuring SSE, switching back to $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE}");
+-	$card->{Driver2} = $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE};
++	my $driver = $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} ? $card->{DRIVER} : $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE};
++	log::l("$card->{Driver2} need a processor featuring SSE, switching back to $driver");
++	$card->{Driver2} = $driver;
+     }
+ }
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment-0003.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment-0003.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..851e31d13
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment-0003.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,43 @@
+(readCardsDB,handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE) handle new DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE keyword
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 4efd4ad..d3f1a8c 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- handle drivers needing SSE
++
+ Version 0.99 - 18 December 2011
+ - default to 24bit with QXL driver (16 bit doesn't work)
+ - do not offer to try KMS drivers during installation (mga#3711)
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+index 133dd08..30a5929 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+@@ -496,7 +497,10 @@ sub readCardsDB {
+ 	CHIPSET => sub { $card->{Chipset} = $val },
+ 	DRIVER => sub { $card->{Driver} = $val },
+ 	DRIVER2 => sub { $card->{Driver2} = $val },
++	DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE => sub { $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} = 1 },
+ 	DRIVER2_NO_SSE => sub { $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} = $val },
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm b/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
+index 350a116..e718834 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
+@@ -37,12 +37,28 @@ sub install_matrox_hal {
+ sub handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE {
+     my ($card) = @_;
+ 
+-    $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} or return;
++    $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} || $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} or return;
+ 
+     require detect_devices;
+     if (!detect_devices::has_cpu_flag('sse')) {
+-	log::l("$card->{Driver2} need a processor featuring SSE, switching back to $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE}");
+-	$card->{Driver2} = $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE};
++	my $driver = $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} ? $card->{DRIVER} : $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE};
++	log::l("$card->{Driver2} need a processor featuring SSE, switching back to $driver");
++	$card->{Driver2} = $driver;
+     }
+ }
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..851e31d13
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120103/d64e6985/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,43 @@
+(readCardsDB,handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE) handle new DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE keyword
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 4efd4ad..d3f1a8c 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- handle drivers needing SSE
++
+ Version 0.99 - 18 December 2011
+ - default to 24bit with QXL driver (16 bit doesn't work)
+ - do not offer to try KMS drivers during installation (mga#3711)
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+index 133dd08..30a5929 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+@@ -496,7 +497,10 @@ sub readCardsDB {
+ 	CHIPSET => sub { $card->{Chipset} = $val },
+ 	DRIVER => sub { $card->{Driver} = $val },
+ 	DRIVER2 => sub { $card->{Driver2} = $val },
++	DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE => sub { $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} = 1 },
+ 	DRIVER2_NO_SSE => sub { $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} = $val },
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm b/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
+index 350a116..e718834 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/proprietary.pm
+@@ -37,12 +37,28 @@ sub install_matrox_hal {
+ sub handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE {
+     my ($card) = @_;
+ 
+-    $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} or return;
++    $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE} || $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} or return;
+ 
+     require detect_devices;
+     if (!detect_devices::has_cpu_flag('sse')) {
+-	log::l("$card->{Driver2} need a processor featuring SSE, switching back to $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE}");
+-	$card->{Driver2} = $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE};
++	my $driver = $card->{DRIVER2_NEEDS_SSE} ? $card->{DRIVER} : $card->{DRIVER2_NO_SSE};
++	log::l("$card->{Driver2} need a processor featuring SSE, switching back to $driver");
++	$card->{Driver2} = $driver;
+     }
+ }
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..49ad422cc
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+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120104/1311d74c/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,89 @@
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    As you know, Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome-Shell with the look &amp;
+    feel &amp; <br>
+    workflow of Gnome2, developed and maintained by Clement Lefebvre<br>
+    "Clem" from Linux-Mint.<br>
+    <br>
+    At the moment, already rpms and debs for other distributions like
+    Ubuntu,<br>
+    Fedora, Arch and OpenSuse are built:
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61">http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61</a><br>
+    <br>
+    In my opinion, Cinnamon will be a sustainable alternative for
+    ex-Gnome2-users,<br>
+    who don't like the "smartphone-look" of Gnome3<br>
+    <br>
+    So I propose to implement Cinnamon also in Mageia as a third "heavy"
+    DE next to<br>
+    KDE4 and Gnome3<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    Bernd<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
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+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "></span><em style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal;
+      color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-variant:
+      normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2;
+      text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
+      white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
+      -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
+      background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: small; "></em><span
+      style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"></span></span><em
+      style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
+      font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-variant: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; "></em><span style="color: rgb(34,
+      34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal;
+      font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
+      line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto;
+      text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
+      widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
+      -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
+      255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float: none; "></span><span
+      style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"></span></span><em
+      style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
+      font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-variant: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; "></em><span style="color: rgb(34,
+      34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal;
+      font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
+      line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto;
+      text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
+      widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
+      -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
+      255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float: none; "></span>
+  </body>
+</html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120104/1311d74c/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120104/1311d74c/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..49ad422cc
--- /dev/null
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@@ -0,0 +1,89 @@
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    As you know, Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome-Shell with the look &amp;
+    feel &amp; <br>
+    workflow of Gnome2, developed and maintained by Clement Lefebvre<br>
+    "Clem" from Linux-Mint.<br>
+    <br>
+    At the moment, already rpms and debs for other distributions like
+    Ubuntu,<br>
+    Fedora, Arch and OpenSuse are built:
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61">http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61</a><br>
+    <br>
+    In my opinion, Cinnamon will be a sustainable alternative for
+    ex-Gnome2-users,<br>
+    who don't like the "smartphone-look" of Gnome3<br>
+    <br>
+    So I propose to implement Cinnamon also in Mageia as a third "heavy"
+    DE next to<br>
+    KDE4 and Gnome3<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    Bernd<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "></span><em style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal;
+      color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-variant:
+      normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2;
+      text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
+      white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
+      -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
+      background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: small; "></em><span
+      style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"></span></span><em
+      style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
+      font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-variant: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; "></em><span style="color: rgb(34,
+      34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal;
+      font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
+      line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto;
+      text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
+      widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
+      -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
+      255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float: none; "></span><span
+      style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"></span></span><em
+      style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
+      font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-variant: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; "></em><span style="color: rgb(34,
+      34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal;
+      font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
+      line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto;
+      text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
+      widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
+      -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
+      255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float: none; "></span>
+  </body>
+</html>
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..fc2a7f539
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+Name:      task-obsolete
+Version:   1
+Release:   %mkrel 1
+Summary:   POC task-obsolete
+Group:     Development/Other
+License:   GPL
+BuildArch: noarch
+
+Obsoletes: null
+Obsoletes: null-dummy
+
+%description
+Proof of concept to test task-obsolete and conditionnal messages 
+with README.*.obsolete.urpmi when obsoleting package.
+
+%prep
+
+%build
+
+
+%install
+install -d -m755 %{buildroot}%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}
+touch %{buildroot}%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null.obsolete.urpmi
+touch %{buildroot}%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null-dummy.obsolete.urpmi
+
+
+%triggerin -- null
+cat > %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null.obsolete.urpmi <<EOF
+null is installed on this system.
+it is an useless package on end user systems.
+it will be uninstalled.
+EOF
+
+%triggerin -- null-dummy
+cat > %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null-dummy.obsolete.urpmi <<EOF
+null-dummy is installed on this system.
+it is an useless package on end user systems.
+it will be uninstalled.
+EOF
+
+%files
+%dir %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}
+%ghost %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null.obsolete.urpmi
+%ghost %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null-dummy.obsolete.urpmi
+
+
+
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f6b46fd95
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120104/19ecfd68/attachment-0002.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
+Index: urpm/install.pm
+===================================================================
+--- urpm/install.pm	(révision 2572)
++++ urpm/install.pm	(copie de travail)
+@@ -109,11 +109,14 @@
+ 
+     foreach my $file ($pkg->files) { 
+ 	my ($kind) = $file =~ m!/README([^/]*)\.urpmi$! or next;
++	-r $file or next;
+ 	my $valid;
+ 	if ($kind eq '') {
+ 	    $valid = 1;
+ 	} elsif ($kind eq '.install' && !$pkg->flag_installed) {
+ 	    $valid = 1;
++	} elsif ($kind =~ /(.*)\.(deprecated|obsolete)$/) {
++	    $valid = 1;
+ 	} elsif ($kind =~ /(.*)\.(upgrade|update)$/ && $pkg->flag_installed) {
+ 	    if (!$1) {
+ 		$valid = 1;
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..fc2a7f539
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120104/19ecfd68/attachment-0003.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,47 @@
+Name:      task-obsolete
+Version:   1
+Release:   %mkrel 1
+Summary:   POC task-obsolete
+Group:     Development/Other
+License:   GPL
+BuildArch: noarch
+
+Obsoletes: null
+Obsoletes: null-dummy
+
+%description
+Proof of concept to test task-obsolete and conditionnal messages 
+with README.*.obsolete.urpmi when obsoleting package.
+
+%prep
+
+%build
+
+
+%install
+install -d -m755 %{buildroot}%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}
+touch %{buildroot}%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null.obsolete.urpmi
+touch %{buildroot}%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null-dummy.obsolete.urpmi
+
+
+%triggerin -- null
+cat > %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null.obsolete.urpmi <<EOF
+null is installed on this system.
+it is an useless package on end user systems.
+it will be uninstalled.
+EOF
+
+%triggerin -- null-dummy
+cat > %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null-dummy.obsolete.urpmi <<EOF
+null-dummy is installed on this system.
+it is an useless package on end user systems.
+it will be uninstalled.
+EOF
+
+%files
+%dir %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}
+%ghost %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null.obsolete.urpmi
+%ghost %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/README.null-dummy.obsolete.urpmi
+
+
+
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f6b46fd95
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120104/19ecfd68/attachment.bin
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+Index: urpm/install.pm
+===================================================================
+--- urpm/install.pm	(révision 2572)
++++ urpm/install.pm	(copie de travail)
+@@ -109,11 +109,14 @@
+ 
+     foreach my $file ($pkg->files) { 
+ 	my ($kind) = $file =~ m!/README([^/]*)\.urpmi$! or next;
++	-r $file or next;
+ 	my $valid;
+ 	if ($kind eq '') {
+ 	    $valid = 1;
+ 	} elsif ($kind eq '.install' && !$pkg->flag_installed) {
+ 	    $valid = 1;
++	} elsif ($kind =~ /(.*)\.(deprecated|obsolete)$/) {
++	    $valid = 1;
+ 	} elsif ($kind =~ /(.*)\.(upgrade|update)$/ && $pkg->flag_installed) {
+ 	    if (!$1) {
+ 		$valid = 1;
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+<p>I guess a lot of them are suggested by other packages, rather than required.</p>
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+<p>I guess a lot of them are suggested by other packages, rather than required.</p>
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/641473d1/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/641473d1/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..c3fb580bc
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/641473d1/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+Should we add a remark for the support of the 4k-boundary?<div><br></div><div>magnus</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/641473d1/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/641473d1/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..c3fb580bc
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/641473d1/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+Should we add a remark for the support of the 4k-boundary?<div><br></div><div>magnus</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/f40db454/attachment-0001.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/f40db454/attachment-0001.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..9ec6ccc28
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/f40db454/attachment-0001.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,27 @@
+Index: enchant.spec
+===================================================================
+--- enchant.spec	(révision 184618)
++++ enchant.spec	(copie de travail)
+@@ -10,6 +10,7 @@
+ Group:		System/Libraries
+ URL:		http://www.abisource.com/projects/enchant/
+ Source0:	http://www.abisource.com/downloads/enchant/%{version}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
++Patch0:		enchant-1.6.0-add-more-myspell-dicts-dirs.patch
+ BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(glib-2.0) >= 2.6
+ BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(gmodule-2.0)
+ BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(hunspell)
+@@ -40,12 +41,13 @@
+ 
+ %prep
+ %setup -q
++%patch0 -p1
+ 
+ %build
+ %configure2_5x --disable-static \
+ 	--with-system-myspell=yes \
+ 	--disable-ispell --disable-aspell --disable-uspell --disable-hspell \
+-	--with-myspell-dir=%{_datadir}/dict/ooo
++	--with-myspell-dir=%{_datadir}/hunspell
+ %make
+ 
+ %install
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..292352105
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@@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
+diff -Naur enchant-1.6.0.orig/src/myspell/myspell_checker.cpp enchant-1.6.0/src/myspell/myspell_checker.cpp
+--- enchant-1.6.0.orig/src/myspell/myspell_checker.cpp	2010-04-01 22:53:37.000000000 +0200
++++ enchant-1.6.0/src/myspell/myspell_checker.cpp	2011-12-19 23:07:37.000000000 +0100
+@@ -276,6 +276,9 @@
+ 	dirs = g_slist_append (dirs, g_strdup (ENCHANT_MYSPELL_DICT_DIR));
+ #endif
+ 
++	dirs = g_slist_append (dirs, g_strdup ("/usr/share/myspell"));
++	dirs = g_slist_append (dirs, g_strdup ("/usr/share/dict/ooo"));
++
+ #if defined(_WIN32)
+ 	char* open_office_dicts_dir = myspell_checker_get_open_office_dicts_dir ();
+ 	if (open_office_dicts_dir) 
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..9ec6ccc28
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/f40db454/attachment-0003.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,27 @@
+Index: enchant.spec
+===================================================================
+--- enchant.spec	(révision 184618)
++++ enchant.spec	(copie de travail)
+@@ -10,6 +10,7 @@
+ Group:		System/Libraries
+ URL:		http://www.abisource.com/projects/enchant/
+ Source0:	http://www.abisource.com/downloads/enchant/%{version}/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
++Patch0:		enchant-1.6.0-add-more-myspell-dicts-dirs.patch
+ BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(glib-2.0) >= 2.6
+ BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(gmodule-2.0)
+ BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(hunspell)
+@@ -40,12 +41,13 @@
+ 
+ %prep
+ %setup -q
++%patch0 -p1
+ 
+ %build
+ %configure2_5x --disable-static \
+ 	--with-system-myspell=yes \
+ 	--disable-ispell --disable-aspell --disable-uspell --disable-hspell \
+-	--with-myspell-dir=%{_datadir}/dict/ooo
++	--with-myspell-dir=%{_datadir}/hunspell
+ %make
+ 
+ %install
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/f40db454/attachment.bin b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/f40db454/attachment.bin
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..292352105
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120108/f40db454/attachment.bin
@@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
+diff -Naur enchant-1.6.0.orig/src/myspell/myspell_checker.cpp enchant-1.6.0/src/myspell/myspell_checker.cpp
+--- enchant-1.6.0.orig/src/myspell/myspell_checker.cpp	2010-04-01 22:53:37.000000000 +0200
++++ enchant-1.6.0/src/myspell/myspell_checker.cpp	2011-12-19 23:07:37.000000000 +0100
+@@ -276,6 +276,9 @@
+ 	dirs = g_slist_append (dirs, g_strdup (ENCHANT_MYSPELL_DICT_DIR));
+ #endif
+ 
++	dirs = g_slist_append (dirs, g_strdup ("/usr/share/myspell"));
++	dirs = g_slist_append (dirs, g_strdup ("/usr/share/dict/ooo"));
++
+ #if defined(_WIN32)
+ 	char* open_office_dicts_dir = myspell_checker_get_open_office_dicts_dir ();
+ 	if (open_office_dicts_dir) 
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/5850aa64/attachment-0001.mht b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/5850aa64/attachment-0001.mht
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..4a880e744
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/5850aa64/attachment-0001.mht
@@ -0,0 +1,53 @@
+[From nobody Tue Jan 10 00:39:01 2012
+Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:11:06 +0100
+From: Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt;
+To: distributor-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org
+Subject: Gtk+ 3.3.7+ bugfix will BREAK Xorg (before 1.12) unless patch is
+	applied
+Message-ID: &lt;20120109191106.GA31204@bkor.dhs.org&gt;
+Mail-Followup-To: distributor-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
+Content-Disposition: inline
+User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
+
+Company found a bug in the XI2 handling of GTK+. The gtk+ bugfix exposes
+a very visible bug in Xorg. The Xorg bug will be in Xorg 1.12.
+
+If you're responsible for a distribution, please either run 1.12, or
+ensure the fixes from freedesktop bug 44079 are applied to your Xorg
+*asap*.
+
+Reference:
+ - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657578
+ - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44079 (not loading atm)
+
+In short:
+ - in case gtk+ 3.3.x
+ - ensure you have patch from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44079
+ - otherwise bad things happen (&quot;important focus events do not fire&quot;)
+
+
+In care you prefer IRC type announcements:
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128!
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128: is the next ubuntu gona have X server 1.12?
+&lt;seb128&gt;	 Company, no
+&lt;seb128&gt;	 1.11 
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128: because we want to push a bugfix for GTK 3.4
+that exposes a pretty visible bug in XI2 that they recently fixed
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128: lemme link you up with the relevant bugs
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128:
+https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657578 and
+https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44079
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128: we have't applied the GTK fix yet, we wanted to
+wait until GTK devs have a proper X to run on first :)
+&lt;seb128&gt;	 Company, thanks, I will make sure we get that
+fix in our xserver
+&lt;Company&gt;	great
+&lt;Company&gt;	i should probably poke the relevant people for suse and
+mageia
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+]
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/5850aa64/attachment.mht b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/5850aa64/attachment.mht
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..db8bfcc8f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/5850aa64/attachment.mht
@@ -0,0 +1,53 @@
+[From nobody Mon Jan  9 20:12:18 2012
+Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:11:06 +0100
+From: Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt;
+To: distributor-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org
+Subject: Gtk+ 3.3.7+ bugfix will BREAK Xorg (before 1.12) unless patch is
+	applied
+Message-ID: &lt;20120109191106.GA31204@bkor.dhs.org&gt;
+Mail-Followup-To: distributor-list@gnome.org, devel-announce-list@gnome.org
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
+Content-Disposition: inline
+User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
+
+Company found a bug in the XI2 handling of GTK+. The gtk+ bugfix exposes
+a very visible bug in Xorg. The Xorg bug will be in Xorg 1.12.
+
+If you're responsible for a distribution, please either run 1.12, or
+ensure the fixes from freedesktop bug 44079 are applied to your Xorg
+*asap*.
+
+Reference:
+ - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657578
+ - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44079 (not loading atm)
+
+In short:
+ - in case gtk+ 3.3.x
+ - ensure you have patch from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44079
+ - otherwise bad things happen (&quot;important focus events do not fire&quot;)
+
+
+In care you prefer IRC type announcements:
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128!
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128: is the next ubuntu gona have X server 1.12?
+&lt;seb128&gt;	 Company, no
+&lt;seb128&gt;	 1.11 
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128: because we want to push a bugfix for GTK 3.4
+that exposes a pretty visible bug in XI2 that they recently fixed
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128: lemme link you up with the relevant bugs
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128:
+https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657578 and
+https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44079
+&lt;Company&gt;	seb128: we have't applied the GTK fix yet, we wanted to
+wait until GTK devs have a proper X to run on first :)
+&lt;seb128&gt;	 Company, thanks, I will make sure we get that
+fix in our xserver
+&lt;Company&gt;	great
+&lt;Company&gt;	i should probably poke the relevant people for suse and
+mageia
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+]
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..2bd391f8b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/d93f433f/attachment-0001.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,93 @@
+c::is_xen() use cpuid in order to detect we're under XEN
+
+diff -up ./c/stuff.xs.pl.tv2 ./c/stuff.xs.pl
+--- ./c/stuff.xs.pl.tv2	2012-01-09 10:49:22.807894338 +0100
++++ ./c/stuff.xs.pl	2012-01-09 11:03:04.124482279 +0100
+@@ -105,6 +105,40 @@ int length_of_space_padded(char *str, in
+   return len;
+ }
+ 
++int pv_context;
++static void cpuid(uint32_t idx,
++                  uint32_t *eax,
++                  uint32_t *ebx,
++                  uint32_t *ecx,
++                  uint32_t *edx)
++{
++    asm volatile (
++        "test %1,%1 ; jz 1f ; ud2a ; .ascii \"xen\" ; 1: cpuid"
++        : "=a" (*eax), "=b" (*ebx), "=c" (*ecx), "=d" (*edx)
++        : "0" (idx), "1" (pv_context) );
++}
++
++static int check_for_xen(void)
++{
++    uint32_t eax, ebx, ecx, edx;
++    char signature[13];
++
++    cpuid(0x40000000, &eax, &ebx, &ecx, &edx);
++    *(uint32_t *)(signature + 0) = ebx;
++    *(uint32_t *)(signature + 4) = ecx;
++    *(uint32_t *)(signature + 8) = edx;
++    signature[12] = ' . "'\0'" . ';
++
++    if ( strcmp("XenVMMXenVMM", signature) || (eax < 0x40000002) )
++        return 0;
++
++    cpuid(0x40000001, &eax, &ebx, &ecx, &edx);
++    printf("Running in %s context on Xen v%d.%d.\n",
++           pv_context ? "PV" : "HVM", (uint16_t)(eax >> 16), (uint16_t)eax);
++    return 1;
++}
++
++
+ MODULE = c::stuff		PACKAGE = c::stuff
+ 
+ ';
+@@ -116,6 +150,46 @@ pcmcia_probe()
+ 
+ print '
+ int
++is_xen()
++ CODE:
++    pid_t pid;
++    int status;
++    uint32_t dummy;
++
++    /* Check for execution in HVM context. */
++    if ( check_for_xen() )
++        return 0;
++
++    /* Now we check for execution in PV context. */
++    pv_context = 1;
++
++    /*
++     * Fork a child to test the paravirtualised CPUID instruction.
++     * If executed outside Xen PV context, the extended opcode will fault.
++     */
++    pid = fork();
++    switch ( pid )
++    {
++    case 0:
++        /* Child: test paravirtualised CPUID opcode and then exit cleanly. */
++        cpuid(0x40000000, &dummy, &dummy, &dummy, &dummy);
++        exit(0);
++    case -1:
++        fprintf(stderr, "Fork failed.\n");
++        return 0;
++    }
++
++    /*
++     * Parent waits for child to terminate and checks for clean exit.
++     * Only if the exit is clean is it safe for us to try the extended CPUID.
++     */
++    waitpid(pid, &status, 0);
++    if ( WIFEXITED(status) && check_for_xen() )
++        return 0;
++
++    return 0;
++
++int
+ del_partition(hd, part_number)
+   int hd
+   int part_number
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/d93f433f/attachment-0002.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/d93f433f/attachment-0002.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f2bd56e85
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/d93f433f/attachment-0002.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,71 @@
+(is_xen) enable to detect if we run under XEN
+(should better check through cpuid...)
+
+(hasCPU_virt_support) detect whether we've HW support for virt or not
+
+(_is_kernelServer_supported) split it out of _is_kernelServer_needed()
+
+(_bestKernelXEN_extensions) select kernel-server or kernel-xen-pvps
+when running under XEN (depending on virt HW support presence)
+
+(_bestKernel_extensions) use _bestKernelXEN_extensions() in order to
+select the proper kernel for XEN
+
+diff -up ./detect_devices.pm.tv ./detect_devices.pm
+--- ./detect_devices.pm.tv	2012-01-09 10:33:40.946242888 +0100
++++ ./detect_devices.pm	2012-01-09 10:40:47.668522223 +0100
+@@ -1213,6 +1213,10 @@ sub is_vmware() {
+     any { $_->{driver} =~ /Card:VMware/ } detect_devices::pci_probe();
+ }
+ 
++sub is_xen() {
++    -f '/proc/xen/capabilities';
++}
++
+ sub is_netbook_nettop() {
+     my @cpus = getCPUs();
+     (any { $_->{'model name'} =~ /(\bIntel\(R\) Atom\(TM\)\B)/i } @cpus) ||
+@@ -1254,6 +1258,10 @@ sub hasCPUMicrocode() {
+     return $hasCPUMicrocode;
+ }
+ 
++sub hasCPU_virt_support() {
++    has_cpu_flag('svm') || has_cpu_flag('vmx');
++}
++
+ sub hasCPUFreq()     {
+     require cpufreq;
+      to_bool(cpufreq::get_modules())
+diff -up ./install/pkgs.pm.tv ./install/pkgs.pm
+--- ./install/pkgs.pm.tv	2012-01-09 10:30:32.527118304 +0100
++++ ./install/pkgs.pm	2012-01-09 10:44:48.727700307 +0100
+@@ -105,12 +105,19 @@ sub packageByName {
+     $best;
+ }
+ 
+-sub _is_kernelServer_needed() {
++sub _is_kernelServer_supported() {
+     # forbid selecting kernel-server if not having PAE since PAE support is mandatory for kernel-server:
+-    return if !detect_devices::has_cpu_flag('pae');
++    detect_devices::has_cpu_flag('pae');
++}
++sub _is_kernelServer_needed() {
++    return if !_is_kernelServer_supported();
+     arch() =~ /i.86/ && detect_devices::dmi_detect_memory() > 3.8 * 1024 || detect_devices::isServer();
+ }
+ 
++sub _bestKernelXEN_extensions() {
++    _is_kernelServer_supported() && detect_devices::hasCPU_virt_support() ? '-server' : '-xen-pvps';
++}
++
+ sub _bestKernel_extensions {
+     my ($o_match_all_hardware) = @_;
+ 
+@@ -118,6 +125,7 @@ sub _bestKernel_extensions {
+     $o_match_all_hardware ? (arch() =~ /i.86/ ? '-desktop586' : '-desktop') :
+       detect_devices::is_xbox() ? '-xbox' :
+       detect_devices::is_i586() ? '-desktop586' :
++      detect_devices::is_xen() ? _bestKernelXEN_extensions() :
+       _is_kernelServer_needed() ? '-server' :
+       '-desktop';
+ }
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/d93f433f/attachment-0003.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/d93f433f/attachment-0003.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..2bd391f8b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120109/d93f433f/attachment-0003.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,93 @@
+c::is_xen() use cpuid in order to detect we're under XEN
+
+diff -up ./c/stuff.xs.pl.tv2 ./c/stuff.xs.pl
+--- ./c/stuff.xs.pl.tv2	2012-01-09 10:49:22.807894338 +0100
++++ ./c/stuff.xs.pl	2012-01-09 11:03:04.124482279 +0100
+@@ -105,6 +105,40 @@ int length_of_space_padded(char *str, in
+   return len;
+ }
+ 
++int pv_context;
++static void cpuid(uint32_t idx,
++                  uint32_t *eax,
++                  uint32_t *ebx,
++                  uint32_t *ecx,
++                  uint32_t *edx)
++{
++    asm volatile (
++        "test %1,%1 ; jz 1f ; ud2a ; .ascii \"xen\" ; 1: cpuid"
++        : "=a" (*eax), "=b" (*ebx), "=c" (*ecx), "=d" (*edx)
++        : "0" (idx), "1" (pv_context) );
++}
++
++static int check_for_xen(void)
++{
++    uint32_t eax, ebx, ecx, edx;
++    char signature[13];
++
++    cpuid(0x40000000, &eax, &ebx, &ecx, &edx);
++    *(uint32_t *)(signature + 0) = ebx;
++    *(uint32_t *)(signature + 4) = ecx;
++    *(uint32_t *)(signature + 8) = edx;
++    signature[12] = ' . "'\0'" . ';
++
++    if ( strcmp("XenVMMXenVMM", signature) || (eax < 0x40000002) )
++        return 0;
++
++    cpuid(0x40000001, &eax, &ebx, &ecx, &edx);
++    printf("Running in %s context on Xen v%d.%d.\n",
++           pv_context ? "PV" : "HVM", (uint16_t)(eax >> 16), (uint16_t)eax);
++    return 1;
++}
++
++
+ MODULE = c::stuff		PACKAGE = c::stuff
+ 
+ ';
+@@ -116,6 +150,46 @@ pcmcia_probe()
+ 
+ print '
+ int
++is_xen()
++ CODE:
++    pid_t pid;
++    int status;
++    uint32_t dummy;
++
++    /* Check for execution in HVM context. */
++    if ( check_for_xen() )
++        return 0;
++
++    /* Now we check for execution in PV context. */
++    pv_context = 1;
++
++    /*
++     * Fork a child to test the paravirtualised CPUID instruction.
++     * If executed outside Xen PV context, the extended opcode will fault.
++     */
++    pid = fork();
++    switch ( pid )
++    {
++    case 0:
++        /* Child: test paravirtualised CPUID opcode and then exit cleanly. */
++        cpuid(0x40000000, &dummy, &dummy, &dummy, &dummy);
++        exit(0);
++    case -1:
++        fprintf(stderr, "Fork failed.\n");
++        return 0;
++    }
++
++    /*
++     * Parent waits for child to terminate and checks for clean exit.
++     * Only if the exit is clean is it safe for us to try the extended CPUID.
++     */
++    waitpid(pid, &status, 0);
++    if ( WIFEXITED(status) && check_for_xen() )
++        return 0;
++
++    return 0;
++
++int
+ del_partition(hd, part_number)
+   int hd
+   int part_number
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f2bd56e85
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@@ -0,0 +1,71 @@
+(is_xen) enable to detect if we run under XEN
+(should better check through cpuid...)
+
+(hasCPU_virt_support) detect whether we've HW support for virt or not
+
+(_is_kernelServer_supported) split it out of _is_kernelServer_needed()
+
+(_bestKernelXEN_extensions) select kernel-server or kernel-xen-pvps
+when running under XEN (depending on virt HW support presence)
+
+(_bestKernel_extensions) use _bestKernelXEN_extensions() in order to
+select the proper kernel for XEN
+
+diff -up ./detect_devices.pm.tv ./detect_devices.pm
+--- ./detect_devices.pm.tv	2012-01-09 10:33:40.946242888 +0100
++++ ./detect_devices.pm	2012-01-09 10:40:47.668522223 +0100
+@@ -1213,6 +1213,10 @@ sub is_vmware() {
+     any { $_->{driver} =~ /Card:VMware/ } detect_devices::pci_probe();
+ }
+ 
++sub is_xen() {
++    -f '/proc/xen/capabilities';
++}
++
+ sub is_netbook_nettop() {
+     my @cpus = getCPUs();
+     (any { $_->{'model name'} =~ /(\bIntel\(R\) Atom\(TM\)\B)/i } @cpus) ||
+@@ -1254,6 +1258,10 @@ sub hasCPUMicrocode() {
+     return $hasCPUMicrocode;
+ }
+ 
++sub hasCPU_virt_support() {
++    has_cpu_flag('svm') || has_cpu_flag('vmx');
++}
++
+ sub hasCPUFreq()     {
+     require cpufreq;
+      to_bool(cpufreq::get_modules())
+diff -up ./install/pkgs.pm.tv ./install/pkgs.pm
+--- ./install/pkgs.pm.tv	2012-01-09 10:30:32.527118304 +0100
++++ ./install/pkgs.pm	2012-01-09 10:44:48.727700307 +0100
+@@ -105,12 +105,19 @@ sub packageByName {
+     $best;
+ }
+ 
+-sub _is_kernelServer_needed() {
++sub _is_kernelServer_supported() {
+     # forbid selecting kernel-server if not having PAE since PAE support is mandatory for kernel-server:
+-    return if !detect_devices::has_cpu_flag('pae');
++    detect_devices::has_cpu_flag('pae');
++}
++sub _is_kernelServer_needed() {
++    return if !_is_kernelServer_supported();
+     arch() =~ /i.86/ && detect_devices::dmi_detect_memory() > 3.8 * 1024 || detect_devices::isServer();
+ }
+ 
++sub _bestKernelXEN_extensions() {
++    _is_kernelServer_supported() && detect_devices::hasCPU_virt_support() ? '-server' : '-xen-pvps';
++}
++
+ sub _bestKernel_extensions {
+     my ($o_match_all_hardware) = @_;
+ 
+@@ -118,6 +125,7 @@ sub _bestKernel_extensions {
+     $o_match_all_hardware ? (arch() =~ /i.86/ ? '-desktop586' : '-desktop') :
+       detect_devices::is_xbox() ? '-xbox' :
+       detect_devices::is_i586() ? '-desktop586' :
++      detect_devices::is_xen() ? _bestKernelXEN_extensions() :
+       _is_kernelServer_needed() ? '-server' :
+       '-desktop';
+ }
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 16:56 +0000, Philippe Reynes a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; So, yes, there isn&#39;t any way to manage bug/security issue in a very<br>
+&gt; easy way when upstream team don&#39;t provide stable tarball. So, what is<br>
+&gt; the mageia policy in this case ? no packaging at all ? &quot;private&quot;<br>
+&gt; packaging ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>So far, there is no policy specific for this issue. Hence the importance<br>
+of discussing.<br>
+<br>
+Personnaly, I think we should really try hard to avoid a 4th<br>
+firefox-like problem.<br>
+<br>
+I also think the current way is not something that will satisfy upstream<br>
+coders if we ship old versions of their software when they think it is<br>
+not ready.<br>
+<br>
+So as Florian told, maybe packaging a proper script to update e17 could<br>
+help. I think we can ship the stable bit of e17, for people wanting to<br>
+use them.<br>
+Or see<br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-October/009155.html" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-October/009155.html</a><br>
+for other type of solution.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br>Has there been any more discussion/progress on E17@mga? I have finally merged all the UnityLinux specs up with Mandriva.<br><br>We&#39;ve always maintained a fuller suite of E17 pkgs and there are instructions to boot on how to do svn trunk checkouts and tarballing of the sources.<br>
+<br>Anyone interested in doing a cross mdv&lt;&gt;mga maintainership of E17?<br><br>Regards,<br>Matt Dawkins<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 à 16:56 +0000, Philippe Reynes a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; So, yes, there isn&#39;t any way to manage bug/security issue in a very<br>
+&gt; easy way when upstream team don&#39;t provide stable tarball. So, what is<br>
+&gt; the mageia policy in this case ? no packaging at all ? &quot;private&quot;<br>
+&gt; packaging ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>So far, there is no policy specific for this issue. Hence the importance<br>
+of discussing.<br>
+<br>
+Personnaly, I think we should really try hard to avoid a 4th<br>
+firefox-like problem.<br>
+<br>
+I also think the current way is not something that will satisfy upstream<br>
+coders if we ship old versions of their software when they think it is<br>
+not ready.<br>
+<br>
+So as Florian told, maybe packaging a proper script to update e17 could<br>
+help. I think we can ship the stable bit of e17, for people wanting to<br>
+use them.<br>
+Or see<br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-October/009155.html" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-October/009155.html</a><br>
+for other type of solution.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br>Has there been any more discussion/progress on E17@mga? I have finally merged all the UnityLinux specs up with Mandriva.<br><br>We&#39;ve always maintained a fuller suite of E17 pkgs and there are instructions to boot on how to do svn trunk checkouts and tarballing of the sources.<br>
+<br>Anyone interested in doing a cross mdv&lt;&gt;mga maintainership of E17?<br><br>Regards,<br>Matt Dawkins<br>
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+Yes, this sounds like something I may be able to help with.<br><br>I&#39;m currently in the list of ppl looking for mentors, but this sounds like I task I may have the skills to assist with..,<br><br>Andrew<br><br>On Monday, January 9, 2012, Guillaume Rousse &lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hello list.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I&#39;ve had a look at jenkins, which is an interesting continuous integration build bot. But it&#39;s yet another piece^H^H^Henterprise-grade java application, and the currently available packages<br>
+&gt; (<a href="http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/redhat/">http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/redhat/</a>) exhibit all classical problems:<br>&gt; - no building from sources<br>&gt; - private copies of libraries<br>&gt; - repackaging of another packaging system (war)<br>
+&gt; - horrible suze-flavour init script<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I can eventually fix the last point, but I&#39;m unable to adress the others. Is there anyone else interested in sharing the work ?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; BOFH excuse #179:<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; multicasts on broken packets<br>&gt;<br><br>-- <br>Sent from Gmail Mobile<br>
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+Yes, this sounds like something I may be able to help with.<br><br>I&#39;m currently in the list of ppl looking for mentors, but this sounds like I task I may have the skills to assist with..,<br><br>Andrew<br><br>On Monday, January 9, 2012, Guillaume Rousse &lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hello list.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I&#39;ve had a look at jenkins, which is an interesting continuous integration build bot. But it&#39;s yet another piece^H^H^Henterprise-grade java application, and the currently available packages<br>
+&gt; (<a href="http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/redhat/">http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/redhat/</a>) exhibit all classical problems:<br>&gt; - no building from sources<br>&gt; - private copies of libraries<br>&gt; - repackaging of another packaging system (war)<br>
+&gt; - horrible suze-flavour init script<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I can eventually fix the last point, but I&#39;m unable to adress the others. Is there anyone else interested in sharing the work ?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; BOFH excuse #179:<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; multicasts on broken packets<br>&gt;<br><br>-- <br>Sent from Gmail Mobile<br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Claire Robinson &lt;eeeemail@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 13, 2012 6:45 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR &lt;= we should totally go for this wrt stable releases<br> </font> </div> <br>
+On 13/01/12 11:37, Michael Scherer wrote:<br>&gt; Le vendredi 13 janvier 2012 à 11:21 +0000, Claire Robinson a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; On 13/01/12 09:36, nicolas vigier wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, 13 Jan 2012, Sander Lepik wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 13.01.2012 03:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; see <a href="https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-" target="_blank">https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-</a><br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; extended-support-release/<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; see <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png</a><br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ESR is a 1y extended supported release...<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; looking at the image we'd be having supported versions for our 9month
+ release<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; schedule every time... we should totally use this release and not go towards<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; FF11 for our release.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We've been complaining about the too quick release schedule... this is our<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; chance!<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ( i think if the FF maintainer wishes, he could also do backports of the<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; regular releases... )<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; i'm hoping everyone agrees? including FF maintainer?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I don't agree. But i'm not the maintainer.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Why not?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * Since fx10 all non-binary extensions are compatible by default (so our<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; main problem goes away).<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * fx10 in 6 months is dead old for users POV. Many unhappy users. Lower<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; popularity for Mageia.
+ (Ubuntu AFAIK is going with fast schedule).<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * We will miss too many new and cool features.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * When we release<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; We could say the same about any other software. Firefox was an exception<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; on updates policy because there was no other choice. But there's no<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; reason to keep it as an exception when they provide a supported version.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; With 12 months support more often than not it would need updating in the<br>&gt;&gt; lifespan of the Mageia 9 month release anyway.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Firefox is one of those programs that people like to be bang up to date<br>&gt;&gt; with.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; All softwares are one of those programs. The only one that some non<br>&gt; technical users do not want to be updated are those that they do not<br>&gt; know, like glibc, python, perl. But still, there is people that want it<br>&gt; up to
+ date, so firefox is nothing special.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; It is 'bragging rights' to ship with the latest and something<br>&gt;&gt; reviewers always give version numbers of along with libreoffice, kde, gnome.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Sure, and we neither update libreoffice, kde, gnome or the linux kernel.<br>&gt; Some people do ( kde is upated by Fedora, as well as the linux kernel ).<br>&gt; So that's a consistency issue, about what we promise to users.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Stability is just that, stuff that do not have interface changes every 6<br>&gt; weeks, stuff that do not have slight mistranslation everytime string<br>&gt; change, stuff that do not risk breaking software after every updates.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I understand the arguments to go with the 12 months support but I think<br>&gt;&gt; for the reasons above we should stick with the normal release cycle or<br>&gt;&gt; maybe even offer both?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Offering both would mean to double our workload
+ of supporting firefox,<br>&gt; and have no advantages by using the long supported release.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; And that's rather useless from my point of view, if the goal is to<br>&gt; reduce the workload. There is already enough work to support the<br>&gt; distribution.<br><br>My meaning was that it isn't just general software. As I said, it is one <br>of those packages that reviewers quote version numbers and users expect <br>to be updated.<br><br>IMO we should be on the latest version but I really do understand the <br>arguments against it so I understand why you disagree :)<br><br>This really doesn't make sense. The browser is our interface to the internet. I (as a user) feel a need to have the latest version of my browser complete with all security patches. I really couldn't care less if I have the latest gnome or kde. Surfing the net using a browser with known security issues bothers me. I think this is why so many people consider firefox to be an
+ exception to the rule. Where most software that is older is considered to be more stable, when talking about a browser it is generally the opposite. It would be nice to at least give the users a choice, maybe have the LTR version as well as the latest release available. I have seen other distros provide chrome stable, testing, and unstable. Allowing the user to choose which version they are most comfortable with. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Claire Robinson &lt;eeeemail@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 13, 2012 6:45 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR &lt;= we should totally go for this wrt stable releases<br> </font> </div> <br>
+On 13/01/12 11:37, Michael Scherer wrote:<br>&gt; Le vendredi 13 janvier 2012 à 11:21 +0000, Claire Robinson a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; On 13/01/12 09:36, nicolas vigier wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, 13 Jan 2012, Sander Lepik wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 13.01.2012 03:20, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; see <a href="https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-" target="_blank">https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-</a><br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; extended-support-release/<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; see <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png</a><br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ESR is a 1y extended supported release...<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; looking at the image we'd be having supported versions for our 9month
+ release<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; schedule every time... we should totally use this release and not go towards<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; FF11 for our release.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We've been complaining about the too quick release schedule... this is our<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; chance!<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ( i think if the FF maintainer wishes, he could also do backports of the<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; regular releases... )<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; i'm hoping everyone agrees? including FF maintainer?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I don't agree. But i'm not the maintainer.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Why not?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * Since fx10 all non-binary extensions are compatible by default (so our<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; main problem goes away).<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * fx10 in 6 months is dead old for users POV. Many unhappy users. Lower<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; popularity for Mageia.
+ (Ubuntu AFAIK is going with fast schedule).<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * We will miss too many new and cool features.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; * When we release<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; We could say the same about any other software. Firefox was an exception<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; on updates policy because there was no other choice. But there's no<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; reason to keep it as an exception when they provide a supported version.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; With 12 months support more often than not it would need updating in the<br>&gt;&gt; lifespan of the Mageia 9 month release anyway.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Firefox is one of those programs that people like to be bang up to date<br>&gt;&gt; with.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; All softwares are one of those programs. The only one that some non<br>&gt; technical users do not want to be updated are those that they do not<br>&gt; know, like glibc, python, perl. But still, there is people that want it<br>&gt; up to
+ date, so firefox is nothing special.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; It is 'bragging rights' to ship with the latest and something<br>&gt;&gt; reviewers always give version numbers of along with libreoffice, kde, gnome.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Sure, and we neither update libreoffice, kde, gnome or the linux kernel.<br>&gt; Some people do ( kde is upated by Fedora, as well as the linux kernel ).<br>&gt; So that's a consistency issue, about what we promise to users.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Stability is just that, stuff that do not have interface changes every 6<br>&gt; weeks, stuff that do not have slight mistranslation everytime string<br>&gt; change, stuff that do not risk breaking software after every updates.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I understand the arguments to go with the 12 months support but I think<br>&gt;&gt; for the reasons above we should stick with the normal release cycle or<br>&gt;&gt; maybe even offer both?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Offering both would mean to double our workload
+ of supporting firefox,<br>&gt; and have no advantages by using the long supported release.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; And that's rather useless from my point of view, if the goal is to<br>&gt; reduce the workload. There is already enough work to support the<br>&gt; distribution.<br><br>My meaning was that it isn't just general software. As I said, it is one <br>of those packages that reviewers quote version numbers and users expect <br>to be updated.<br><br>IMO we should be on the latest version but I really do understand the <br>arguments against it so I understand why you disagree :)<br><br>This really doesn't make sense. The browser is our interface to the internet. I (as a user) feel a need to have the latest version of my browser complete with all security patches. I really couldn't care less if I have the latest gnome or kde. Surfing the net using a browser with known security issues bothers me. I think this is why so many people consider firefox to be an
+ exception to the rule. Where most software that is older is considered to be more stable, when talking about a browser it is generally the opposite. It would be nice to at least give the users a choice, maybe have the LTR version as well as the latest release available. I have seen other distros provide chrome stable, testing, and unstable. Allowing the user to choose which version they are most comfortable with. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Op vrijdag 13 januari 2012 20:59:19 schreef Jeff Robins:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:00 AM, andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Wait.<br>
+&gt; &gt; A long-term release version is kept updated for bugs, particularly<br>
+&gt; &gt; security bugs, but doesn&#39;t add new features.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Since it doesn&#39;t add new features, it is less likely to introduce new<br>
+&gt; &gt; bugs, and so would be more secure.<br>
+&gt; &gt; (That is why, in case you haven&#39;t noticed, that Firefox has more security<br>
+&gt; &gt; issues than Seamonkey, which is one step behind Firefox in adopting new<br>
+&gt; &gt; features.)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; So if you want a stable, secure browser, prefer among Mozilla browsers<br>
+&gt; &gt; the Firefox long-term release, or for more stable, Seamonkey.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; For the minority of users who want the latest features, despite the<br>
+&gt; &gt; greater risk, like the cauldron of Mozilla, it is easy to download the<br>
+&gt; &gt; latest Firefox release, direct from upstream.  (It will be available<br>
+&gt; &gt; there at least a week sooner.)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Upstream Firefox by default warns when the latest update is available.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt; André<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think André is entirely correct and the ESR should meet the requirements<br>
+&gt; for a long-term Mageia.  The ESR will get all of the security updates, but<br>
+&gt; not the new features so any argument about needing the latest to stay<br>
+&gt; secure is invalid.  (<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5378/mozilla-announces-firefox-extended-suppo" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/show/5378/mozilla-announces-firefox-extended-suppo</a><br>
+&gt; rt-release )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Also, the next upstream will be moving to quiet updates, unless Firefox<br>
+&gt; hasn&#39;t been restarted in the last 12 hours.  So, users that want the latest<br>
+&gt; can use the upstream and be automatically updated.<br>
+&gt; (<a href="http://letsbytecode.com/general/10-firefox-will-be-updated-on-the-quiet/" target="_blank">http://letsbytecode.com/general/10-firefox-will-be-updated-on-the-quiet/</a>)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My only concern is the difference in release times.  Mageia&#39;s is 9months<br>
+&gt; and Mozilla is 1year.  Nine months from Mageia&#39;s 1st long-term release,<br>
+&gt; Mozilla will still be on the same FF, and will update FF in the middle of<br>
+&gt; the second Mageia long-term release.  This would create more work and a<br>
+&gt; long-term Mageia, which will have a major component update during the<br>
+&gt; long-term support period.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --Jeff<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>look at the picture for the support period, the 1y warranteed versions cross<br>
+over for 2 or 3 months<br>
+<br>
+so it&#39;s going to fit for as long as we have 9m release schedule<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>
+The 2-3 month overlap doesn&#39;t solve our problem.  Assuming that we both start on the same month of the same year, which we aren&#39;t, and call it January 2012:<br><br>Jan 2012 (good):<br>We do long-term 1 and Mozilla does ESR1.<br>
+<br>Sept 2012(good):<br>We do long-term 2 and Mozilla has just released FF ESR2.<br><br>June 2013(bad):<br>We do long-term 3, but Mozilla won&#39;t release FF ESR3 until Sept 2013.  FF ESR2 is defunct as of Jan 2013. We only get 3 months of support on ESR2 for long-term 3.<br>
+<br>March 2014(good):<br>We do long-term 4 and Mozilla released FF ESR3 in Sept.  We get support until Dec 2015, which is when we release long-term 5.<br><br>--Jeff<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Op vrijdag 13 januari 2012 20:59:19 schreef Jeff Robins:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:00 AM, andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Wait.<br>
+&gt; &gt; A long-term release version is kept updated for bugs, particularly<br>
+&gt; &gt; security bugs, but doesn&#39;t add new features.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Since it doesn&#39;t add new features, it is less likely to introduce new<br>
+&gt; &gt; bugs, and so would be more secure.<br>
+&gt; &gt; (That is why, in case you haven&#39;t noticed, that Firefox has more security<br>
+&gt; &gt; issues than Seamonkey, which is one step behind Firefox in adopting new<br>
+&gt; &gt; features.)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; So if you want a stable, secure browser, prefer among Mozilla browsers<br>
+&gt; &gt; the Firefox long-term release, or for more stable, Seamonkey.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; For the minority of users who want the latest features, despite the<br>
+&gt; &gt; greater risk, like the cauldron of Mozilla, it is easy to download the<br>
+&gt; &gt; latest Firefox release, direct from upstream.  (It will be available<br>
+&gt; &gt; there at least a week sooner.)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Upstream Firefox by default warns when the latest update is available.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt; André<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think André is entirely correct and the ESR should meet the requirements<br>
+&gt; for a long-term Mageia.  The ESR will get all of the security updates, but<br>
+&gt; not the new features so any argument about needing the latest to stay<br>
+&gt; secure is invalid.  (<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5378/mozilla-announces-firefox-extended-suppo" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/show/5378/mozilla-announces-firefox-extended-suppo</a><br>
+&gt; rt-release )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Also, the next upstream will be moving to quiet updates, unless Firefox<br>
+&gt; hasn&#39;t been restarted in the last 12 hours.  So, users that want the latest<br>
+&gt; can use the upstream and be automatically updated.<br>
+&gt; (<a href="http://letsbytecode.com/general/10-firefox-will-be-updated-on-the-quiet/" target="_blank">http://letsbytecode.com/general/10-firefox-will-be-updated-on-the-quiet/</a>)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My only concern is the difference in release times.  Mageia&#39;s is 9months<br>
+&gt; and Mozilla is 1year.  Nine months from Mageia&#39;s 1st long-term release,<br>
+&gt; Mozilla will still be on the same FF, and will update FF in the middle of<br>
+&gt; the second Mageia long-term release.  This would create more work and a<br>
+&gt; long-term Mageia, which will have a major component update during the<br>
+&gt; long-term support period.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --Jeff<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>look at the picture for the support period, the 1y warranteed versions cross<br>
+over for 2 or 3 months<br>
+<br>
+so it&#39;s going to fit for as long as we have 9m release schedule<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>
+The 2-3 month overlap doesn&#39;t solve our problem.  Assuming that we both start on the same month of the same year, which we aren&#39;t, and call it January 2012:<br><br>Jan 2012 (good):<br>We do long-term 1 and Mozilla does ESR1.<br>
+<br>Sept 2012(good):<br>We do long-term 2 and Mozilla has just released FF ESR2.<br><br>June 2013(bad):<br>We do long-term 3, but Mozilla won&#39;t release FF ESR3 until Sept 2013.  FF ESR2 is defunct as of Jan 2013. We only get 3 months of support on ESR2 for long-term 3.<br>
+<br>March 2014(good):<br>We do long-term 4 and Mozilla released FF ESR3 in Sept.  We get support until Dec 2015, which is when we release long-term 5.<br><br>--Jeff<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div class="h5">
+<br>
+</div></div><br>&quot;your logic is flawed&quot;<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Yes it was.  <br><br>When I read the text I was thinking of a new FF ESR every year, with an extra 2-3months of support, after the new one is released.  The graphic makes it pretty clear that it&#39;s a new FF ESR every 8-9months.  The sentence below is what caused my initial confusion:<br>
+<br>&quot;The ESR will be updated to a new major version about once a year . . . &quot;<br></div></div><br>Sorry,<br><br>Jeff<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div class="h5">
+<br>
+</div></div><br>&quot;your logic is flawed&quot;<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Yes it was.  <br><br>When I read the text I was thinking of a new FF ESR every year, with an extra 2-3months of support, after the new one is released.  The graphic makes it pretty clear that it&#39;s a new FF ESR every 8-9months.  The sentence below is what caused my initial confusion:<br>
+<br>&quot;The ESR will be updated to a new major version about once a year . . . &quot;<br></div></div><br>Sorry,<br><br>Jeff<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:00 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Wait.<br>
+A long-term release version is kept updated for bugs, particularly security bugs, but doesn&#39;t add new features.<br>
+Since it doesn&#39;t add new features, it is less likely to introduce new bugs, and so would be more secure.<br>
+(That is why, in case you haven&#39;t noticed, that Firefox has more security issues than Seamonkey, which is one step behind Firefox in adopting new features.)<br>
+<br>
+So if you want a stable, secure browser, prefer among Mozilla browsers the Firefox long-term release, or for more stable, Seamonkey.<br>
+<br>
+For the minority of users who want the latest features, despite the greater risk, like the cauldron of Mozilla, it is easy to download the latest Firefox release, direct from upstream.  (It will be available there at least a week sooner.)<br>
+
+Upstream Firefox by default warns when the latest update is available.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I think <font style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" color="#888888">André is entirely correct and the ESR should meet the requirements for a long-term Mageia.  The ESR will get all of the security updates, but not the new features so any argument about needing the latest to stay secure is invalid.  (<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5378/mozilla-announces-firefox-extended-support-release">http://www.anandtech.com/show/5378/mozilla-announces-firefox-extended-support-release</a>)<br>
+<br>Also, the next upstream will be moving to quiet updates, unless Firefox hasn&#39;t been restarted in the last 12 hours.  So, users that want the latest can use the upstream and be automatically updated.<br>(<a href="http://letsbytecode.com/general/10-firefox-will-be-updated-on-the-quiet/">http://letsbytecode.com/general/10-firefox-will-be-updated-on-the-quiet/</a>) <br>
+<br>My only concern is the difference in release times.  Mageia&#39;s is 9months and Mozilla is 1year.  Nine months from Mageia&#39;s 1st long-term release, Mozilla will still be on the same FF, and will update FF in the middle of the second Mageia long-term release.  This would create more work and a long-term Mageia, which will have a major component update during the long-term support period.<br>
+<br>--Jeff<br></font>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:00 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Wait.<br>
+A long-term release version is kept updated for bugs, particularly security bugs, but doesn&#39;t add new features.<br>
+Since it doesn&#39;t add new features, it is less likely to introduce new bugs, and so would be more secure.<br>
+(That is why, in case you haven&#39;t noticed, that Firefox has more security issues than Seamonkey, which is one step behind Firefox in adopting new features.)<br>
+<br>
+So if you want a stable, secure browser, prefer among Mozilla browsers the Firefox long-term release, or for more stable, Seamonkey.<br>
+<br>
+For the minority of users who want the latest features, despite the greater risk, like the cauldron of Mozilla, it is easy to download the latest Firefox release, direct from upstream.  (It will be available there at least a week sooner.)<br>
+
+Upstream Firefox by default warns when the latest update is available.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I think <font style="color:rgb(0,0,0)" color="#888888">André is entirely correct and the ESR should meet the requirements for a long-term Mageia.  The ESR will get all of the security updates, but not the new features so any argument about needing the latest to stay secure is invalid.  (<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/5378/mozilla-announces-firefox-extended-support-release">http://www.anandtech.com/show/5378/mozilla-announces-firefox-extended-support-release</a>)<br>
+<br>Also, the next upstream will be moving to quiet updates, unless Firefox hasn&#39;t been restarted in the last 12 hours.  So, users that want the latest can use the upstream and be automatically updated.<br>(<a href="http://letsbytecode.com/general/10-firefox-will-be-updated-on-the-quiet/">http://letsbytecode.com/general/10-firefox-will-be-updated-on-the-quiet/</a>) <br>
+<br>My only concern is the difference in release times.  Mageia&#39;s is 9months and Mozilla is 1year.  Nine months from Mageia&#39;s 1st long-term release, Mozilla will still be on the same FF, and will update FF in the middle of the second Mageia long-term release.  This would create more work and a long-term Mageia, which will have a major component update during the long-term support period.<br>
+<br>--Jeff<br></font>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Op zaterdag 14 januari 2012 01:10:48 schreef Jeff Robins:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &quot;your logic is flawed&quot;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Yes it was.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; When I read the text I was thinking of a new FF ESR every year, with an<br>
+&gt; extra 2-3months of support, after the new one is released.  The graphic<br>
+&gt; makes it pretty clear that it&#39;s a new FF ESR every 8-9months.  The sentence<br>
+&gt; below is what caused my initial confusion:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;The ESR will be updated to a new major version about once a year . . . &quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sorry,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Jeff<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>thanks for letting me be Spock :-D<br>
+</blockquote></div>Welcome<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Op zaterdag 14 januari 2012 01:10:48 schreef Jeff Robins:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &quot;your logic is flawed&quot;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Yes it was.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; When I read the text I was thinking of a new FF ESR every year, with an<br>
+&gt; extra 2-3months of support, after the new one is released.  The graphic<br>
+&gt; makes it pretty clear that it&#39;s a new FF ESR every 8-9months.  The sentence<br>
+&gt; below is what caused my initial confusion:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;The ESR will be updated to a new major version about once a year . . . &quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sorry,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Jeff<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>thanks for letting me be Spock :-D<br>
+</blockquote></div>Welcome<br>
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+I think, Pierre means that after the first step chossing the timezone<div>mcc should choose the right ntp-server.</div><div><br></div><div>But that is for me a very small issue.</div><div>In the moment Alpa3 forgets the ntp-settings and that is real bad.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br></div>
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+I think, Pierre means that after the first step chossing the timezone<div>mcc should choose the right ntp-server.</div><div><br></div><div>But that is for me a very small issue.</div><div>In the moment Alpa3 forgets the ntp-settings and that is real bad.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Magnus</div><div><br></div>
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+<p>It seems that packages marked as uploaded won&#39;t appear in distrib-coffee, for at least two hours. Is it the problem with newly introduced youri peroid, or just distrib-coffee was lazy now?</p>
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+<p>It seems that packages marked as uploaded won&#39;t appear in distrib-coffee, for at least two hours. Is it the problem with newly introduced youri peroid, or just distrib-coffee was lazy now?</p>
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+[From nobody Fri Jan 27 01:00:44 2012
+Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:56:24 +0100
+From: Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt;
+To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+Subject: GNOME 3.4 will rely on hostnamed, localed, timedated D-Bus API
+Message-ID: &lt;20120126235624.GC20474@bkor.dhs.org&gt;
+Mail-Followup-To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
+Content-Disposition: inline
+User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
+
+GNOME 3.2 contains code to change:
+ - system hostname
+ - date &amp; time settings (time, timezone, etc)
+ - system locale
+
+As there is no standard across distributions, GNOME detected the
+distribution and for a few distributions, was able to change above
+settings.
+
+Starting with GNOME 3.4, GNOME will rely on the following D-Bus APIs
+provided by the following daemons:
+ - hostnamed
+ - localed
+ - timedated
+
+These daemons are included in the systemd tarball. For the D-Bus API
+reference, see the links at the end of this email.
+
+Recommendation:
+ - systemd only systems: ensure these daemons are packaged and running
+ - systemd+sysvinit systems: put these daemons in a separate package and
+   ensure they are running under both init systems. They do not rely on
+   a running systemd.
+ - other init systems: Please write a _new_ daemon to provide this
+   functionality. The D-Bus API is really simple and instead of patching
+   hostnamed/locald/timedated to support other distributions/init
+   systemd, the recommendation is to just write a new daemon which
+   implements the D-Bus API.
+   Alternatively, (if these daemons do not need to be patched) only
+   compile and package the hostnamed, localed and timedated from the
+   systemd tarball.
+
+Note: Ubuntu has written a daemon implementing the hostnamed and localed
+D-Bus interfaces.
+
+Reference:
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/InterfacePortabilityAndStabilityChart
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/hostnamed
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/localed
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated
+ - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658352
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav (on behalf of the release team)
+]
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+[From nobody Fri Jan 27 01:00:43 2012
+Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:56:24 +0100
+From: Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt;
+To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+Subject: GNOME 3.4 will rely on hostnamed, localed, timedated D-Bus API
+Message-ID: &lt;20120126235624.GC20474@bkor.dhs.org&gt;
+Mail-Followup-To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
+Content-Disposition: inline
+User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
+
+GNOME 3.2 contains code to change:
+ - system hostname
+ - date &amp; time settings (time, timezone, etc)
+ - system locale
+
+As there is no standard across distributions, GNOME detected the
+distribution and for a few distributions, was able to change above
+settings.
+
+Starting with GNOME 3.4, GNOME will rely on the following D-Bus APIs
+provided by the following daemons:
+ - hostnamed
+ - localed
+ - timedated
+
+These daemons are included in the systemd tarball. For the D-Bus API
+reference, see the links at the end of this email.
+
+Recommendation:
+ - systemd only systems: ensure these daemons are packaged and running
+ - systemd+sysvinit systems: put these daemons in a separate package and
+   ensure they are running under both init systems. They do not rely on
+   a running systemd.
+ - other init systems: Please write a _new_ daemon to provide this
+   functionality. The D-Bus API is really simple and instead of patching
+   hostnamed/locald/timedated to support other distributions/init
+   systemd, the recommendation is to just write a new daemon which
+   implements the D-Bus API.
+   Alternatively, (if these daemons do not need to be patched) only
+   compile and package the hostnamed, localed and timedated from the
+   systemd tarball.
+
+Note: Ubuntu has written a daemon implementing the hostnamed and localed
+D-Bus interfaces.
+
+Reference:
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/InterfacePortabilityAndStabilityChart
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/hostnamed
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/localed
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated
+ - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658352
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav (on behalf of the release team)
+]
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+[From nobody Fri Jan 27 11:59:22 2012
+Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:51:09 +0100
+From: Olav Vitters &lt;ovitters@gmail.com&gt;
+To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+Subject: Impact of ConsoleKit deprecation
+Message-ID: &lt;20120126235109.GB20474@bkor.dhs.org&gt;
+Mail-Followup-To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
+Content-Disposition: inline
+User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
+
+The ConsoleKit project at freedesktop.org has been deprecated. Please
+read this email if your distribution/OS plans to continue to rely on
+ConsoleKit.
+
+ConsoleKit currently runs under:
+ - Solaris 11+
+ - FreeBSD
+ - Linux
+
+Similar functionality is provided by systemd; however this is only
+available on Linux. Furthermore, not all distributions are using it
+right now. The inevitable result of lack of maintainership of the
+freedesktop.org ConsoleKit will result in problems for your
+distribution/OS unless you get involved in ConsoleKit development
+(fork).
+
+Due to the ConsoleKit deprecation:
+ - Fedora will switch to relying fully on systemd:
+   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval
+ - Mageia and openSUSE will continue rely on the deprecated ConsoleKit; due
+   to current support of sysvinit fallback. From what we understood,
+   they likely will rely on systemd alone.
+ - A lot of GNOME developers will likely be using/testing using systemd
+   based systems.
+
+In case your distribution will not or cannot use systemd, the
+deprecation of ConsoleKit means GNOME will (eventually) provide less
+functionality. This means concrete action is needed if this
+functionality is wanted within your distribution or OS. To make things
+absolutely clear: ConsoleKit is a freedesktop.org project and the
+maintainers have deprecated it.
+
+Now, one distribution expressed interested in maintaining ConsoleKit,
+but under a different name. It will still use the same API (dbus name,
+etc). However, their interest is likely solely focussed around their
+distribution and not anything else.
+
+To repeat:
+In case you have a distribution which uses ConsoleKit, please either
+switch to systemd, or get involved with a fork of ConsoleKit!
+
+To make it 100% clear: GNOME does not and will not rely on systemd.
+However, we do rely on certain APIs. Those APIs can be implemented by
+other components. Another message will follow which expands on this.
+
+Reference:
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit
+ - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval
+ - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=systemd
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav (on behalf of the release team)
+]
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+[From nobody Fri Jan 27 09:36:38 2012
+Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:51:09 +0100
+From: Olav Vitters &lt;ovitters@gmail.com&gt;
+To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+Subject: Impact of ConsoleKit deprecation
+Message-ID: &lt;20120126235109.GB20474@bkor.dhs.org&gt;
+Mail-Followup-To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
+Content-Disposition: inline
+User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
+
+The ConsoleKit project at freedesktop.org has been deprecated. Please
+read this email if your distribution/OS plans to continue to rely on
+ConsoleKit.
+
+ConsoleKit currently runs under:
+ - Solaris 11+
+ - FreeBSD
+ - Linux
+
+Similar functionality is provided by systemd; however this is only
+available on Linux. Furthermore, not all distributions are using it
+right now. The inevitable result of lack of maintainership of the
+freedesktop.org ConsoleKit will result in problems for your
+distribution/OS unless you get involved in ConsoleKit development
+(fork).
+
+Due to the ConsoleKit deprecation:
+ - Fedora will switch to relying fully on systemd:
+   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval
+ - Mageia and openSUSE will continue rely on the deprecated ConsoleKit; due
+   to current support of sysvinit fallback. From what we understood,
+   they likely will rely on systemd alone.
+ - A lot of GNOME developers will likely be using/testing using systemd
+   based systems.
+
+In case your distribution will not or cannot use systemd, the
+deprecation of ConsoleKit means GNOME will (eventually) provide less
+functionality. This means concrete action is needed if this
+functionality is wanted within your distribution or OS. To make things
+absolutely clear: ConsoleKit is a freedesktop.org project and the
+maintainers have deprecated it.
+
+Now, one distribution expressed interested in maintaining ConsoleKit,
+but under a different name. It will still use the same API (dbus name,
+etc). However, their interest is likely solely focussed around their
+distribution and not anything else.
+
+To repeat:
+In case you have a distribution which uses ConsoleKit, please either
+switch to systemd, or get involved with a fork of ConsoleKit!
+
+To make it 100% clear: GNOME does not and will not rely on systemd.
+However, we do rely on certain APIs. Those APIs can be implemented by
+other components. Another message will follow which expands on this.
+
+Reference:
+ - http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit
+ - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval
+ - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=systemd
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav (on behalf of the release team)
+]
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+[From nobody Fri Jan 27 11:59:22 2012
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+Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:46:16 +0100
+From: Christophe Fergeau &lt;cfergeau@redhat.com&gt;
+To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+Subject: gnome-boxes/distro integration
+Message-ID: &lt;20120127104616.GC2683@teriyaki.cdg.redhat.com&gt;
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+
+Hi,
+
+One of gnome-boxes[1] aims is to provide easy creation of virtual machines.
+This includes auto-installation of guest OSes. Currently, we support
+auto-installation of Fedora and Windows systems, but we'd like
+auto-installation of as many OSes as possible.
+
+Here is a rough overview of how this is handled:
+* the user specifies the path to an ISO image
+* we use libosinfo[2] to determine if the ISO is an installer, and the OS
+  it's an installer for. libosinfo comes with a tools/osinfo-detect util
+  to test what is known about an iso. The OS data for libosinfo is stored
+  in xml files[3]
+* then gnome-boxes uses a FedoraInstaller class to setup a fedora
+  auto-installation. On fedora, auto-install is achieved through a
+  kickstart file[4][5]
+
+Patches to help support more distributions are really welcome :) If you
+need more help, feel free to ask on boxes mailing list (cc'ed) or on our
+IRC channel (#boxes on irc.gnome.org).
+
+Have a nice day!
+
+Christophe
+
+[1] https://live.gnome.org/Boxes
+[2] https://fedorahosted.org/libosinfo/
+[3] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=libosinfo.git;a=tree;f=data/oses;h=bc018b4b9d9c3f309d8ba2431ffd2af3e4fdf5c8;hb=HEAD
+[4] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/tree/data/fedora.ks
+[5] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart
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+[From nobody Fri Jan 27 11:50:52 2012
+Return-Path: &lt;gnome-boxes-list-bounces@gnome.org&gt;
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+From: Christophe Fergeau &lt;cfergeau@redhat.com&gt;
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+Hi,
+
+One of gnome-boxes[1] aims is to provide easy creation of virtual machines.
+This includes auto-installation of guest OSes. Currently, we support
+auto-installation of Fedora and Windows systems, but we'd like
+auto-installation of as many OSes as possible.
+
+Here is a rough overview of how this is handled:
+* the user specifies the path to an ISO image
+* we use libosinfo[2] to determine if the ISO is an installer, and the OS
+  it's an installer for. libosinfo comes with a tools/osinfo-detect util
+  to test what is known about an iso. The OS data for libosinfo is stored
+  in xml files[3]
+* then gnome-boxes uses a FedoraInstaller class to setup a fedora
+  auto-installation. On fedora, auto-install is achieved through a
+  kickstart file[4][5]
+
+Patches to help support more distributions are really welcome :) If you
+need more help, feel free to ask on boxes mailing list (cc'ed) or on our
+IRC channel (#boxes on irc.gnome.org).
+
+Have a nice day!
+
+Christophe
+
+[1] https://live.gnome.org/Boxes
+[2] https://fedorahosted.org/libosinfo/
+[3] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=libosinfo.git;a=tree;f=data/oses;h=bc018b4b9d9c3f309d8ba2431ffd2af3e4fdf5c8;hb=HEAD
+[4] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/tree/data/fedora.ks
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+From: Ulri the scheduler bot &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt;
+Subject: Rebuild failed on i586 for @203683:scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2.src.rpm 
+Message-Id: &lt;20120131210901.E798840C08@valstar.mageia.org&gt;
+Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:09:01 +0100 (CET)
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+
+Build of the following packages failed:
+
+- @203683:scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2.src.rpm
+
+Failure details available in http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120131210346.zezinho.valstar.17506/log
+Reason:
+@203683:scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2.src.rpm: build_failure
+
+Log files generated:
+http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120131210346.zezinho.valstar.17506/log/scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20120131210403.log
+http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120131210346.zezinho.valstar.17506/log/scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2/build.0.20120131210403.log
+http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120131210346.zezinho.valstar.17506/log/scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2/rpm_qa.0.20120131210403.log
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+From: Ulri the scheduler bot &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt;
+Subject: Rebuild failed on i586 for @203683:scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2.src.rpm 
+Message-Id: &lt;20120131210901.E798840C08@valstar.mageia.org&gt;
+Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:09:01 +0100 (CET)
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+Build of the following packages failed:
+
+- @203683:scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2.src.rpm
+
+Failure details available in http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120131210346.zezinho.valstar.17506/log
+Reason:
+@203683:scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2.src.rpm: build_failure
+
+Log files generated:
+http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120131210346.zezinho.valstar.17506/log/scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2/install_deps-1.0.20120131210403.log
+http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120131210346.zezinho.valstar.17506/log/scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2/build.0.20120131210403.log
+http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120131210346.zezinho.valstar.17506/log/scummvm-1.4.1-1.mga2/rpm_qa.0.20120131210403.log
+]
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+<p>Due to various tasks we will postpone meeting until next week</p>
+<p>Cheers </p>
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+<p>Due to various tasks we will postpone meeting until next week</p>
+<p>Cheers </p>
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@@ -0,0 +1,43 @@
+--- /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/99base/init.original	2012-01-23 03:49:19.000000000 -0500
++++ /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/99base/init	2012-02-02 23:20:14.550818490 -0500
+@@ -214,11 +214,11 @@
+ export main_loop
+ while :; do
+ 
+-    check_finished && break
++    check_finished 
+ 
+     udevsettle
+ 
+-    check_finished && break
++    check_finished
+ 
+     if [ -f $hookdir/initqueue/work ]; then
+         rm $hookdir/initqueue/work
+@@ -227,7 +227,7 @@
+     for job in $hookdir/initqueue/*.sh; do
+         [ -e "$job" ] || break
+         job=$job . $job
+-        check_finished && break 2
++        check_finished
+     done
+ 
+     $UDEV_QUEUE_EMPTY >/dev/null 2>&1 || continue
+@@ -235,7 +235,7 @@
+     for job in $hookdir/initqueue/settled/*.sh; do
+         [ -e "$job" ] || break
+         job=$job . $job
+-        check_finished && break 2
++        check_finished
+     done
+ 
+     $UDEV_QUEUE_EMPTY >/dev/null 2>&1 || continue
+@@ -265,7 +265,7 @@
+             main_loop=0
+         done
+     fi
+-
++    check_finished && break
+     main_loop=$(($main_loop+1))
+     [ $main_loop -gt $RDRETRY ] \
+         && { flock -s 9 ; emergency_shell "Unable to process initqueue"; } 9>/.console_lock
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..e3b99270b
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@@ -0,0 +1,43 @@
+--- /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/99base/init.original	2012-01-23 03:49:19.000000000 -0500
++++ /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/99base/init	2012-02-02 23:20:14.550818490 -0500
+@@ -214,11 +214,11 @@
+ export main_loop
+ while :; do
+ 
+-    check_finished && break
++    check_finished 
+ 
+     udevsettle
+ 
+-    check_finished && break
++    check_finished
+ 
+     if [ -f $hookdir/initqueue/work ]; then
+         rm $hookdir/initqueue/work
+@@ -227,7 +227,7 @@
+     for job in $hookdir/initqueue/*.sh; do
+         [ -e "$job" ] || break
+         job=$job . $job
+-        check_finished && break 2
++        check_finished
+     done
+ 
+     $UDEV_QUEUE_EMPTY >/dev/null 2>&1 || continue
+@@ -235,7 +235,7 @@
+     for job in $hookdir/initqueue/settled/*.sh; do
+         [ -e "$job" ] || break
+         job=$job . $job
+-        check_finished && break 2
++        check_finished
+     done
+ 
+     $UDEV_QUEUE_EMPTY >/dev/null 2>&1 || continue
+@@ -265,7 +265,7 @@
+             main_loop=0
+         done
+     fi
+-
++    check_finished && break
+     main_loop=$(($main_loop+1))
+     [ $main_loop -gt $RDRETRY ] \
+         && { flock -s 9 ; emergency_shell "Unable to process initqueue"; } 9>/.console_lock
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+<p>And, don&#39;t forget, we still have a package named firefox-beta. If we stick with FF10, then some day we will come to a situation of firefox-10.0.4 and firefox-beta-15b1 for Mageia 2, which is unacceptable. Or, we should make an exception on firefox-beta, it should be obsoleted by updated firefox for stable distros.</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-6 下�3:27，&quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>The key is, we always have the latest series of supported product line from upstream, neither latest version nor latest supported version.</p>
+<p>And, such an update policy is based on the imagination of 70% of Mageia 2 users will upgrade to Mageia 3 immediately when released.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-6 上�10:07，&quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<p>I would suggest another support policy.</p>
+<p>* For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR.</p>
+<p>* For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, but not 11.0. If time passed, we will go directly 10.0.x to 17.0 ESR.</p>
+<p>* For xulrunner, we always use latest ESR version for cauldron and released distros.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-1-13 上�9:20，&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+see <a href="https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-extended-support-release/" target="_blank">https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-<br>
+extended-support-release/</a><br>
+see <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png</a><br>
+<br>
+ESR is a 1y extended supported release...<br>
+<br>
+looking at the image we&#39;d be having supported versions for our 9month release<br>
+schedule every time... we should totally use this release and not go towards<br>
+FF11 for our release.<br>
+<br>
+We&#39;ve been complaining about the too quick release schedule... this is our<br>
+chance!<br>
+<br>
+( i think if the FF maintainer wishes, he could also do backports of the<br>
+regular releases... )<br>
+<br>
+i&#39;m hoping everyone agrees? including FF maintainer?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120206/47dc96a9/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120206/47dc96a9/attachment.html
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--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120206/47dc96a9/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,34 @@
+<p>And, don&#39;t forget, we still have a package named firefox-beta. If we stick with FF10, then some day we will come to a situation of firefox-10.0.4 and firefox-beta-15b1 for Mageia 2, which is unacceptable. Or, we should make an exception on firefox-beta, it should be obsoleted by updated firefox for stable distros.</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-6 下�3:27，&quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>The key is, we always have the latest series of supported product line from upstream, neither latest version nor latest supported version.</p>
+<p>And, such an update policy is based on the imagination of 70% of Mageia 2 users will upgrade to Mageia 3 immediately when released.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-6 上�10:07，&quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<p>I would suggest another support policy.</p>
+<p>* For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR.</p>
+<p>* For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, but not 11.0. If time passed, we will go directly 10.0.x to 17.0 ESR.</p>
+<p>* For xulrunner, we always use latest ESR version for cauldron and released distros.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-1-13 上�9:20，&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+see <a href="https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-extended-support-release/" target="_blank">https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-<br>
+extended-support-release/</a><br>
+see <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png</a><br>
+<br>
+ESR is a 1y extended supported release...<br>
+<br>
+looking at the image we&#39;d be having supported versions for our 9month release<br>
+schedule every time... we should totally use this release and not go towards<br>
+FF11 for our release.<br>
+<br>
+We&#39;ve been complaining about the too quick release schedule... this is our<br>
+chance!<br>
+<br>
+( i think if the FF maintainer wishes, he could also do backports of the<br>
+regular releases... )<br>
+<br>
+i&#39;m hoping everyone agrees? including FF maintainer?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120206/891095d5/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120206/891095d5/attachment-0001.html
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+<p>I would suggest another support policy.</p>
+<p>* For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR.</p>
+<p>* For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, but not 11.0. If time passed, we will go directly 10.0.x to 17.0 ESR.</p>
+<p>* For xulrunner, we always use latest ESR version for cauldron and released distros.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-1-13 上�9:20，&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+see <a href="https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-
+extended-support-release/" target="_blank">https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-<br>
+extended-support-release/</a><br>
+see <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png</a><br>
+<br>
+ESR is a 1y extended supported release...<br>
+<br>
+looking at the image we&#39;d be having supported versions for our 9month release<br>
+schedule every time... we should totally use this release and not go towards<br>
+FF11 for our release.<br>
+<br>
+We&#39;ve been complaining about the too quick release schedule... this is our<br>
+chance!<br>
+<br>
+( i think if the FF maintainer wishes, he could also do backports of the<br>
+regular releases... )<br>
+<br>
+i&#39;m hoping everyone agrees? including FF maintainer?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>I would suggest another support policy.</p>
+<p>* For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR.</p>
+<p>* For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, but not 11.0. If time passed, we will go directly 10.0.x to 17.0 ESR.</p>
+<p>* For xulrunner, we always use latest ESR version for cauldron and released distros.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-1-13 上�9:20，&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+see <a href="https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-
+extended-support-release/" target="_blank">https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-<br>
+extended-support-release/</a><br>
+see <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png</a><br>
+<br>
+ESR is a 1y extended supported release...<br>
+<br>
+looking at the image we&#39;d be having supported versions for our 9month release<br>
+schedule every time... we should totally use this release and not go towards<br>
+FF11 for our release.<br>
+<br>
+We&#39;ve been complaining about the too quick release schedule... this is our<br>
+chance!<br>
+<br>
+( i think if the FF maintainer wishes, he could also do backports of the<br>
+regular releases... )<br>
+<br>
+i&#39;m hoping everyone agrees? including FF maintainer?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Then we will have 13.0, 14.0, 15.0, 16.0, 17.0, 17.0.1, 17.0.2 for Mageia 2. Personally, as an average user, I tend to delete system FF 10, if there is FF13 elsewhere. I&#39;m afraid most users think the same. Of course, I could be wrong.</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-6 下�3:03，&quot;Sander Lepik&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+06.02.2012 04:07, Funda Wang kirjutas:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I would suggest another support policy.<br>
+<br>
+* For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR.<br>
+<br>
+* For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, but not 11.0. If time passed, we will go directly 10.0.x to 17.0 ESR.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+And what if you have fx13 on cauldron and we need to switch to stable (mga2)?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Sander<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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--- /dev/null
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@@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
+<p>Then we will have 13.0, 14.0, 15.0, 16.0, 17.0, 17.0.1, 17.0.2 for Mageia 2. Personally, as an average user, I tend to delete system FF 10, if there is FF13 elsewhere. I&#39;m afraid most users think the same. Of course, I could be wrong.</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-6 下�3:03，&quot;Sander Lepik&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+06.02.2012 04:07, Funda Wang kirjutas:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I would suggest another support policy.<br>
+<br>
+* For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR.<br>
+<br>
+* For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, but not 11.0. If time passed, we will go directly 10.0.x to 17.0 ESR.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+And what if you have fx13 on cauldron and we need to switch to stable (mga2)?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Sander<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>The key is, we always have the latest series of supported product line from upstream, neither latest version nor latest supported version.</p>
+<p>And, such an update policy is based on the imagination of 70% of Mageia 2 users will upgrade to Mageia 3 immediately when released.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-6 上�10:07，&quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>I would suggest another support policy.</p>
+<p>* For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR.</p>
+<p>* For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, but not 11.0. If time passed, we will go directly 10.0.x to 17.0 ESR.</p>
+<p>* For xulrunner, we always use latest ESR version for cauldron and released distros.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-1-13 上�9:20，&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+see <a href="https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-extended-support-release/" target="_blank">https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-<br>
+extended-support-release/</a><br>
+see <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png</a><br>
+<br>
+ESR is a 1y extended supported release...<br>
+<br>
+looking at the image we&#39;d be having supported versions for our 9month release<br>
+schedule every time... we should totally use this release and not go towards<br>
+FF11 for our release.<br>
+<br>
+We&#39;ve been complaining about the too quick release schedule... this is our<br>
+chance!<br>
+<br>
+( i think if the FF maintainer wishes, he could also do backports of the<br>
+regular releases... )<br>
+<br>
+i&#39;m hoping everyone agrees? including FF maintainer?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120206/c516accb/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120206/c516accb/attachment.html
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+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120206/c516accb/attachment.html
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+<p>The key is, we always have the latest series of supported product line from upstream, neither latest version nor latest supported version.</p>
+<p>And, such an update policy is based on the imagination of 70% of Mageia 2 users will upgrade to Mageia 3 immediately when released.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-6 上�10:07，&quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>I would suggest another support policy.</p>
+<p>* For cauldron, we always have latest versions of firefox and thunderbird, no matter whether it is ESR.</p>
+<p>* For released distros, we always update it till next ESR. i.e., for Mageia 1, we will have FF 9.0.1, 10.0, 10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, but not 11.0. If time passed, we will go directly 10.0.x to 17.0 ESR.</p>
+<p>* For xulrunner, we always use latest ESR version for cauldron and released distros.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-1-13 上�9:20，&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+see <a href="https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-extended-support-release/" target="_blank">https://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2012/01/10/delivering-a-mozilla-firefox-<br>
+extended-support-release/</a><br>
+see <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/9/9d/Esr-release-overview.png</a><br>
+<br>
+ESR is a 1y extended supported release...<br>
+<br>
+looking at the image we&#39;d be having supported versions for our 9month release<br>
+schedule every time... we should totally use this release and not go towards<br>
+FF11 for our release.<br>
+<br>
+We&#39;ve been complaining about the too quick release schedule... this is our<br>
+chance!<br>
+<br>
+( i think if the FF maintainer wishes, he could also do backports of the<br>
+regular releases... )<br>
+<br>
+i&#39;m hoping everyone agrees? including FF maintainer?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
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+  <head>
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+    Le 2012-02-07 06:39, Maurice Batey a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:pan.2012.02.07.11.39.23.667702@bcs.org.uk"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:39:24 -0500, Michel Catudal wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">You didn't understand what I said. 
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+  I know! :-(
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">The xosl install that I have runs off a floppy diskette which has been
+formatted to PC DOS. You should be able to find dos bootable image on the
+net. xosl has a nice graphic install.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+  Do you have a step-by-step description of how to create such floppy, please?
+
+(1st problem is: what do you mean by 'formatted to PC DOS'?</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Exactly that, formatted with PC Dos boot on it. I don't think that
+    you can buy PC Dos anymore. You can get freedos boot disk.<br>
+    Even a DRDOS, win 95 or win 98 boot disket would work.<br>
+    <br>
+    They don't seem to have a boot disk with the new freedos 1.1, If you
+    have a small partition you can install freedos on it.<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.freedos.org/">http://www.freedos.org/</a><br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/">http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:pan.2012.02.07.11.39.23.667702@bcs.org.uk"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+   Write a disk image to the floppy?
+   Presumably not simply --&gt; FAT32, as the disk will be booted.</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Slackware provides programs to do that, some that run under dos,
+    windows and Linux<br>
+    <br>
+    You don't have FAT32 on a floppy, it's too small, its FAT16.<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bootdisk.com/helpdesk.htm">http://www.bootdisk.com/helpdesk.htm</a><br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:pan.2012.02.07.11.39.23.667702@bcs.org.uk"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+   What files need to be found and put on the floppy? Where from?)
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/xosl/files/xosl/xosl%20%201.1.5/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/xosl/files/xosl/xosl%20%201.1.5/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    For boot the minimum number of files. On PC DOS there is some hidden
+    files and command.com<br>
+    With a minimum number of files you can still have room for a backup
+    of the MBR. With a win 95 boot that should be possible also.<br>
+    It gets too big with a win98 boot. Ideally you would have a
+    partition with freedos and a boot disk in case the MBR gets whacked.<br>
+    Your freedos partition needs to be less 2G or smaller.<br>
+    <br>
+    On my computer I first partitioned the disk with fdisk with a SuSE
+    boot CD. I then installed free dos<br>
+    <br>
+    michel@catudal ~/Téléchargement/temp $ dir /mnt/freedos/FDOS/XOSL/<br>
+    total 1276<br>
+    drwxrwxrwx  2 michel michel   4096 12 fév  2011 .<br>
+    drwxrwxrwx 29 michel michel   4096 12 fév  2011 ..<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   4096 12 fév  2011 BOOTITEM.XDF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 16 fév  2000 CURR_MBR.XCF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 26 nov  1999 DEFAULT.MBR<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   7936 24 aoû  1999 DEFAULT.XFF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   8192  1 jui  2000 EXTRA.XFF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  24553 23 déc  2000 INSTALL.EXE<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    440 23 déc  2000 IPL06.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    440 23 déc  2000 IPL06LBA.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    440 23 déc  2000 IPL0B.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    440 23 déc  2000 IPL0BLBA.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 23 déc  2000 IPLS.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 23 déc  2000 IPLSLBA.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   2333 23 déc  2000 NOTES.TXT<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 12 fév  2011 ORIG_MBR.XCF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel 403462 12 fév  2011 PARTIMG.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  60684  8 déc  2000 SBMINST.EXE<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 12 fév  2011 SBM_IPL0.XCF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  31828 24 aoû  1999 SPLASHLG.XBF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 12 fév  2011 XOSLDATA.XDF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel 401408 12 fév  2011 XOSLIMG.FS<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  19970 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG0.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG1.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG2.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG3.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG4.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  17011 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG5.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   7820 23 déc  2000 XOSLLOAD.XCF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  31828 24 aoû  1999 XOSLLOGO.XBF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  22500 24 aoû  1999 XOSLWALL.XBF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 27 fév  2000 XRPART00.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 27 fév  2000 XRPART01.XXF<br>
+    <br>
+    michel@catudal ~/Téléchargement/temp $ du /mnt/freedos/FDOS/XOSL/<br>
+    1272    /mnt/freedos/FDOS/XOSL/<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    michel@catudal ~/Téléchargement/temp $ df<br>
+    Sys. fich.     1K-blocks     Util. Disponible Uti% Monté sur<br>
+    rootfs         481481584 182256920  294405916  39% /<br>
+    udev               10240       432       9808   5% /dev<br>
+    /dev/sda10     481481584 182256920  294405916  39% /<br>
+    rc-svcdir           1024        84        940   9% /lib64/rc/init.d<br>
+    cgroup_root        10240         0      10240   0% /sys/fs/cgroup<br>
+    shm              2027500        88    2027412   1% /dev/shm<br>
+    /dev/sda7         118656     50709      61925  46% /boot<br>
+    /dev/sdb10     376508104  33424476  324237416  10%
+    /home/michel/vm_files<br>
+    /dev/sdb9      523733076 387468304  110050372  78% /mnt/mageia<br>
+    /dev/sdb7      523733076 353900864  143617812  72% /mnt/sl6<br>
+    <font color="#ff0000">/dev/sda2        2084360    219800    1864560 
+      11% /mnt/freedos</font><br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Michel<br>
+    <br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="256">-- 
+For OS/2 and Linux Software visit
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal">http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal</a>
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Le 2012-02-07 06:39, Maurice Batey a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:pan.2012.02.07.11.39.23.667702@bcs.org.uk"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:39:24 -0500, Michel Catudal wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">You didn't understand what I said. 
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+  I know! :-(
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">The xosl install that I have runs off a floppy diskette which has been
+formatted to PC DOS. You should be able to find dos bootable image on the
+net. xosl has a nice graphic install.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+  Do you have a step-by-step description of how to create such floppy, please?
+
+(1st problem is: what do you mean by 'formatted to PC DOS'?</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Exactly that, formatted with PC Dos boot on it. I don't think that
+    you can buy PC Dos anymore. You can get freedos boot disk.<br>
+    Even a DRDOS, win 95 or win 98 boot disket would work.<br>
+    <br>
+    They don't seem to have a boot disk with the new freedos 1.1, If you
+    have a small partition you can install freedos on it.<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.freedos.org/">http://www.freedos.org/</a><br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/">http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:pan.2012.02.07.11.39.23.667702@bcs.org.uk"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+   Write a disk image to the floppy?
+   Presumably not simply --&gt; FAT32, as the disk will be booted.</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Slackware provides programs to do that, some that run under dos,
+    windows and Linux<br>
+    <br>
+    You don't have FAT32 on a floppy, it's too small, its FAT16.<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bootdisk.com/helpdesk.htm">http://www.bootdisk.com/helpdesk.htm</a><br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:pan.2012.02.07.11.39.23.667702@bcs.org.uk"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+   What files need to be found and put on the floppy? Where from?)
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/xosl/files/xosl/xosl%20%201.1.5/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/xosl/files/xosl/xosl%20%201.1.5/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    For boot the minimum number of files. On PC DOS there is some hidden
+    files and command.com<br>
+    With a minimum number of files you can still have room for a backup
+    of the MBR. With a win 95 boot that should be possible also.<br>
+    It gets too big with a win98 boot. Ideally you would have a
+    partition with freedos and a boot disk in case the MBR gets whacked.<br>
+    Your freedos partition needs to be less 2G or smaller.<br>
+    <br>
+    On my computer I first partitioned the disk with fdisk with a SuSE
+    boot CD. I then installed free dos<br>
+    <br>
+    michel@catudal ~/Téléchargement/temp $ dir /mnt/freedos/FDOS/XOSL/<br>
+    total 1276<br>
+    drwxrwxrwx  2 michel michel   4096 12 fév  2011 .<br>
+    drwxrwxrwx 29 michel michel   4096 12 fév  2011 ..<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   4096 12 fév  2011 BOOTITEM.XDF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 16 fév  2000 CURR_MBR.XCF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 26 nov  1999 DEFAULT.MBR<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   7936 24 aoû  1999 DEFAULT.XFF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   8192  1 jui  2000 EXTRA.XFF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  24553 23 déc  2000 INSTALL.EXE<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    440 23 déc  2000 IPL06.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    440 23 déc  2000 IPL06LBA.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    440 23 déc  2000 IPL0B.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    440 23 déc  2000 IPL0BLBA.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 23 déc  2000 IPLS.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 23 déc  2000 IPLSLBA.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   2333 23 déc  2000 NOTES.TXT<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 12 fév  2011 ORIG_MBR.XCF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel 403462 12 fév  2011 PARTIMG.BIN<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  60684  8 déc  2000 SBMINST.EXE<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 12 fév  2011 SBM_IPL0.XCF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  31828 24 aoû  1999 SPLASHLG.XBF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel    512 12 fév  2011 XOSLDATA.XDF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel 401408 12 fév  2011 XOSLIMG.FS<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  19970 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG0.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG1.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG2.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG3.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG4.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  17011 23 déc  2000 XOSLIMG5.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel   7820 23 déc  2000 XOSLLOAD.XCF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  31828 24 aoû  1999 XOSLLOGO.XBF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  22500 24 aoû  1999 XOSLWALL.XBF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 27 fév  2000 XRPART00.XXF<br>
+    -rwxrwxrwx  1 michel michel  32768 27 fév  2000 XRPART01.XXF<br>
+    <br>
+    michel@catudal ~/Téléchargement/temp $ du /mnt/freedos/FDOS/XOSL/<br>
+    1272    /mnt/freedos/FDOS/XOSL/<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    michel@catudal ~/Téléchargement/temp $ df<br>
+    Sys. fich.     1K-blocks     Util. Disponible Uti% Monté sur<br>
+    rootfs         481481584 182256920  294405916  39% /<br>
+    udev               10240       432       9808   5% /dev<br>
+    /dev/sda10     481481584 182256920  294405916  39% /<br>
+    rc-svcdir           1024        84        940   9% /lib64/rc/init.d<br>
+    cgroup_root        10240         0      10240   0% /sys/fs/cgroup<br>
+    shm              2027500        88    2027412   1% /dev/shm<br>
+    /dev/sda7         118656     50709      61925  46% /boot<br>
+    /dev/sdb10     376508104  33424476  324237416  10%
+    /home/michel/vm_files<br>
+    /dev/sdb9      523733076 387468304  110050372  78% /mnt/mageia<br>
+    /dev/sdb7      523733076 353900864  143617812  72% /mnt/sl6<br>
+    <font color="#ff0000">/dev/sda2        2084360    219800    1864560 
+      11% /mnt/freedos</font><br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Michel<br>
+    <br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="256">-- 
+For OS/2 and Linux Software visit
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal">http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal</a>
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+
+what about opensuse certificates? anyone revoking these things as
+stuff happens out there? what happened with those diginotar and other
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 10 February 2012 22:08, trem &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; trem &lt;trem&gt; 1.1.0-0.r67830.1.mga2:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 206947<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67830<br>
+<br>
+s/release/commit/ or revision...<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Well you obviously know the answer, so why not be a little more cheery and supportive.<br><br>Honestly trem there is away to know if something in each package directory actually changed. I don&#39;t think just because you did a blanketed svn up across the e trunk, that each package changed...<br>
+<br>This is a little trick we&#39;ve used for awhile LANGUAGE=C svn info | grep &quot;Last Changed Rev:&quot; | cut -d: -f 2 | sed &quot;s@ @@&quot;<br><br>a little example<br>cd edje<br>svn up<br>Updating &#39;.&#39;:<br>
+U    src/lib/edje_program.c<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>U    NEWS<br>Updated to revision 67845.<br>LANGUAGE=C svn info | grep &quot;Last Changed Rev:&quot; | cut -d: -f 2 | sed &quot;s@ @@&quot;<br>67833<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 10 February 2012 22:08, trem &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; trem &lt;trem&gt; 1.1.0-0.r67830.1.mga2:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 206947<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67830<br>
+<br>
+s/release/commit/ or revision...<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Well you obviously know the answer, so why not be a little more cheery and supportive.<br><br>Honestly trem there is away to know if something in each package directory actually changed. I don&#39;t think just because you did a blanketed svn up across the e trunk, that each package changed...<br>
+<br>This is a little trick we&#39;ve used for awhile LANGUAGE=C svn info | grep &quot;Last Changed Rev:&quot; | cut -d: -f 2 | sed &quot;s@ @@&quot;<br><br>a little example<br>cd edje<br>svn up<br>Updating &#39;.&#39;:<br>
+U    src/lib/edje_program.c<br>.<br>.<br>.<br>U    NEWS<br>Updated to revision 67845.<br>LANGUAGE=C svn info | grep &quot;Last Changed Rev:&quot; | cut -d: -f 2 | sed &quot;s@ @@&quot;<br>67833<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 7 February 2012 17:57, trem &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; trem &lt;trem&gt; 1.1.0-0.r67715.1.mga2:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 205979<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67715<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67703<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67702<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67698<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67688<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67680<br>
+<br>
+Do we really get to package every SVN revision?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Like I said with the edje this one is the same. You really have no change in most of those revisions.<br><br>[mdawkins@cheetos embryo]$ svn up<br>Updating &#39;.&#39;:<br>U    src/lib/Embryo.h<br>Updated to revision 67845.<br>
+[mdawkins@cheetos embryo]$ LANGUAGE=C svn info | grep &quot;Last Changed Rev:&quot; | cut -d: -f 2 | sed &quot;s@ @@&quot;<br>67705<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 7 February 2012 17:57, trem &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; trem &lt;trem&gt; 1.1.0-0.r67715.1.mga2:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 205979<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67715<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67703<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67702<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67698<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67688<br>
+&gt; - update to release 67680<br>
+<br>
+Do we really get to package every SVN revision?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Like I said with the edje this one is the same. You really have no change in most of those revisions.<br><br>[mdawkins@cheetos embryo]$ svn up<br>Updating &#39;.&#39;:<br>U    src/lib/Embryo.h<br>Updated to revision 67845.<br>
+[mdawkins@cheetos embryo]$ LANGUAGE=C svn info | grep &quot;Last Changed Rev:&quot; | cut -d: -f 2 | sed &quot;s@ @@&quot;<br>67705<br>
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+<p>The problem is xpdf depends on lesstif, it will bring libXt.la. But lesstif cannot be built now for some reasons.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-12 下�12:08，&quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+D Morgan asked us to say if removal of .la files broke anything.  It breaks xpdf, and I don&#39;t know if it&#39;s fixable.  xpdf needs libXt.la to build <a href="http://libxpdf.la" target="_blank">libxpdf.la</a>, and the xpdf build is heavily dependent on <a href="http://libxpdf.la" target="_blank">libxpdf.la</a>.  See xpdf-3.03-shared.diff for example.<br>
+
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>The problem is xpdf depends on lesstif, it will bring libXt.la. But lesstif cannot be built now for some reasons.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-12 下�12:08，&quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+D Morgan asked us to say if removal of .la files broke anything.  It breaks xpdf, and I don&#39;t know if it&#39;s fixable.  xpdf needs libXt.la to build <a href="http://libxpdf.la" target="_blank">libxpdf.la</a>, and the xpdf build is heavily dependent on <a href="http://libxpdf.la" target="_blank">libxpdf.la</a>.  See xpdf-3.03-shared.diff for example.<br>
+
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Use cabal for this, ghc libs couldn&#39;t be integrated into repositories. Only ghc and ghc-devel be pushed to base repo.</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">12.Þub.2012 02:01 &quot;Kamil Rytarowski&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt; tarihinde þunu yazdý:<br><br><p><font color="#500050">On 11.02.2012 08:19, Olivier Thauvin wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; * Kamil Rytarowski (<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>) wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Hello!...</font></p>
+No, not personally. I just need Haskell (GHC) libraries for applications.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></p>
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+<p>Use cabal for this, ghc libs couldn&#39;t be integrated into repositories. Only ghc and ghc-devel be pushed to base repo.</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">12.Þub.2012 02:01 &quot;Kamil Rytarowski&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt; tarihinde þunu yazdý:<br><br><p><font color="#500050">On 11.02.2012 08:19, Olivier Thauvin wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; * Kamil Rytarowski (<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>) wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Hello!...</font></p>
+No, not personally. I just need Haskell (GHC) libraries for applications.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 13 Φεβ�ουα�ίου 2012 1:00 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης Buchan Milne <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net">bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Saturday, 11 February 2012 16:22:52 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt; Στις Σάββατο 11 Φεβ�ουά�ιος 2012 15:00:42 nicolas vigier γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Στις Σάββατο 11 Φεβ�ουά�ιος 2012 14:41:59 nicolas vigier γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What could be wrong ?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Did you try to do a checkout on packages svn repository without<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo to see if that works ?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; svn co svn+ssh://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/null/current" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/null/current</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; it works, it gave me this:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; [dglent@localhost mgarepo]$ svn co<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; svn+ssh://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/null/current" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/null/current</a> Password:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Password:<br>
+&gt; &gt; It shouldn&#39;t ask you for password if you uploaded your ssh key on<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://identity.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://identity.mageia.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; in <a href="https://identity.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://identity.mageia.org/</a> i choose sshPublicKey i add my key , i clic<br>
+&gt; ok but there is no field added<br>
+<br>
+Hmm, works for me on my unprivileged test account.<br>
+<br>
+Was any error message displayed?<br>
+<br>
+&gt; - (also i did it a second time and i did<br>
+&gt; nt see that was the field Mobile, and i added in the mobile field. Now<br>
+&gt; impossible to delete it. I have the message page not fount) -<br>
+<br>
+The sshPublicKey attribute is currently present, with this value:<br>
+ssh-dss<br>
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+
+dglent@localhost<br>
+<br>
+I have deleted the &#39;mobile&#39; attribute on your account.<br>
+<br>
+I tested with my unprivileged test account, and I could add and remove<br>
+&#39;mobile&#39; without problems. However, I could not remove an existing<br>
+sshPublicKey, in which case I get the &#39;Page not found&#39; message. But I could<br>
+change the value of the existing sshPublicKey value.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; i tried again to see if the key was applied somehow in the background of<br>
+&gt; the <a href="http://identity.mageia.org" target="_blank">identity.mageia.org</a> but it asks me always for a password<br>
+<br>
+You may want to provide output of ssh-add -l, and &#39;ssh -v <a href="http://svn.mageia.org" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org</a>&#39; ?<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Buchan<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>After the modification that Michael did, my key was accepted<br>And the mobile field issue is ok now, after used the update button instead of add/delete<br><br>* i think you did nt have a previous message which i said that the both fields issues are solved<br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 13 Φεβ�ουα�ίου 2012 1:00 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης Buchan Milne <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net">bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Saturday, 11 February 2012 16:22:52 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt; Στις Σάββατο 11 Φεβ�ουά�ιος 2012 15:00:42 nicolas vigier γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Στις Σάββατο 11 Φεβ�ουά�ιος 2012 14:41:59 nicolas vigier γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; What could be wrong ?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Did you try to do a checkout on packages svn repository without<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; mgarepo to see if that works ?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; svn co svn+ssh://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/null/current" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/null/current</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; it works, it gave me this:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; [dglent@localhost mgarepo]$ svn co<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; svn+ssh://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/null/current" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/null/current</a> Password:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Password:<br>
+&gt; &gt; It shouldn&#39;t ask you for password if you uploaded your ssh key on<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://identity.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://identity.mageia.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; in <a href="https://identity.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://identity.mageia.org/</a> i choose sshPublicKey i add my key , i clic<br>
+&gt; ok but there is no field added<br>
+<br>
+Hmm, works for me on my unprivileged test account.<br>
+<br>
+Was any error message displayed?<br>
+<br>
+&gt; - (also i did it a second time and i did<br>
+&gt; nt see that was the field Mobile, and i added in the mobile field. Now<br>
+&gt; impossible to delete it. I have the message page not fount) -<br>
+<br>
+The sshPublicKey attribute is currently present, with this value:<br>
+ssh-dss<br>
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+
+dglent@localhost<br>
+<br>
+I have deleted the &#39;mobile&#39; attribute on your account.<br>
+<br>
+I tested with my unprivileged test account, and I could add and remove<br>
+&#39;mobile&#39; without problems. However, I could not remove an existing<br>
+sshPublicKey, in which case I get the &#39;Page not found&#39; message. But I could<br>
+change the value of the existing sshPublicKey value.<br>
+<br>
+&gt; i tried again to see if the key was applied somehow in the background of<br>
+&gt; the <a href="http://identity.mageia.org" target="_blank">identity.mageia.org</a> but it asks me always for a password<br>
+<br>
+You may want to provide output of ssh-add -l, and &#39;ssh -v <a href="http://svn.mageia.org" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org</a>&#39; ?<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Buchan<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>After the modification that Michael did, my key was accepted<br>And the mobile field issue is ok now, after used the update button instead of add/delete<br><br>* i think you did nt have a previous message which i said that the both fields issues are solved<br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p>Well, the reqs on libxulrunner have already been broken before beta1 freezing.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-17 下�10:29，&quot;Anne nicolas&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Funda, Could you please wait some days before updating everything as<br>
+asked in previous mails on this ML<br>
+<br>
+2012/2/17 fwang &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Name        : xulrunner                    Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+&gt; Version     : 10.0.2                            Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+&gt; Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Fri Feb 17 15:09:15 2012<br>
+&gt; Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: localhost<br>
+&gt; Group       : Development/Other             Source RPM: (none)<br>
+&gt; Size        : 75922853                         License: MPLv1.1 or GPLv2+ or LGPLv2+<br>
+&gt; Signature   : (none)<br>
+&gt; Packager    : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;<br>
+&gt; URL         : <a href="http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner" target="_blank">http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner</a><br>
+&gt; Summary     : XUL Runtime for Gecko Applications<br>
+&gt; Description :<br>
+&gt; XULRunner is a Mozilla runtime package that can be used to<br>
+&gt; bootstrap XUL+XPCOM applications that are as rich as Firefox<br>
+&gt; and Thunderbird. It will provide mechanisms for installing,<br>
+&gt; upgrading, and uninstalling these applications. XULRunner will<br>
+&gt; also provide libxul, a solution which allows the embedding of<br>
+&gt; Mozilla technologies in other projects and products.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 10.0.2-1.mga2:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 210048<br>
+&gt; - new version 10.0.2esr<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Well, the reqs on libxulrunner have already been broken before beta1 freezing.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-2-17 下�10:29，&quot;Anne nicolas&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Funda, Could you please wait some days before updating everything as<br>
+asked in previous mails on this ML<br>
+<br>
+2012/2/17 fwang &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Name        : xulrunner                    Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+&gt; Version     : 10.0.2                            Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+&gt; Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Fri Feb 17 15:09:15 2012<br>
+&gt; Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: localhost<br>
+&gt; Group       : Development/Other             Source RPM: (none)<br>
+&gt; Size        : 75922853                         License: MPLv1.1 or GPLv2+ or LGPLv2+<br>
+&gt; Signature   : (none)<br>
+&gt; Packager    : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;<br>
+&gt; URL         : <a href="http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner" target="_blank">http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner</a><br>
+&gt; Summary     : XUL Runtime for Gecko Applications<br>
+&gt; Description :<br>
+&gt; XULRunner is a Mozilla runtime package that can be used to<br>
+&gt; bootstrap XUL+XPCOM applications that are as rich as Firefox<br>
+&gt; and Thunderbird. It will provide mechanisms for installing,<br>
+&gt; upgrading, and uninstalling these applications. XULRunner will<br>
+&gt; also provide libxul, a solution which allows the embedding of<br>
+&gt; Mozilla technologies in other projects and products.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 10.0.2-1.mga2:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 210048<br>
+&gt; - new version 10.0.2esr<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+在 2012-2-20 上�6:42，&quot;Kamil Rytarowski&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;写�：<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1.<br>
+&gt; What is the right implementation of an installation of *.desktop files? I saw every possible way of adding (build)require on desktop-file-utils. Is it necessary? What is the best way to implement it (of course in case of a mandatory requirement).<br>
+
+Most software will install .desktop files themselves.  In case we need to modify the menu categories, we often use desktop-file-install.</p>
+<p>&gt; 2.<br>
+&gt; Is allowed to use macros from jpackage-utils (the file name is/etc/rpm/macros.jpackage ) in a simple, normal non-java application? If yes, then is mandatory to add a buildrequirement of this package?<br>
+I think yes and yes. There are some packages BR kde4-macros, but they have no relation with KDE4.<br>
+&gt; Regards<br>
+</p>
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+在 2012-2-20 上�6:42，&quot;Kamil Rytarowski&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;写�：<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1.<br>
+&gt; What is the right implementation of an installation of *.desktop files? I saw every possible way of adding (build)require on desktop-file-utils. Is it necessary? What is the best way to implement it (of course in case of a mandatory requirement).<br>
+
+Most software will install .desktop files themselves.  In case we need to modify the menu categories, we often use desktop-file-install.</p>
+<p>&gt; 2.<br>
+&gt; Is allowed to use macros from jpackage-utils (the file name is/etc/rpm/macros.jpackage ) in a simple, normal non-java application? If yes, then is mandatory to add a buildrequirement of this package?<br>
+I think yes and yes. There are some packages BR kde4-macros, but they have no relation with KDE4.<br>
+&gt; Regards<br>
+</p>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    On 19.02.2012 23:52, Funda Wang wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAOfq2QQSfhq6txknqDBhi-nHHsdRME8k4JoUkRL=CAsA6i4E-A@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p><br>
+        在 2012-2-20 上�6:42，"Kamil Rytarowski" &lt;<a
+          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;
+        写�：<br>
+        &gt;<br>
+        &gt; Hello!<br>
+        &gt;<br>
+        &gt; 1.<br>
+        &gt; What is the right implementation of an installation of
+        *.desktop files? I saw every possible way of adding
+        (build)require on desktop-file-utils. Is it necessary? What is
+        the best way to implement it (of course in case of a mandatory
+        requirement).<br>
+        Most software will install .desktop files themselves.  In case
+        we need to modify the menu categories, we often use
+        desktop-file-install.</p>
+      <p>&gt; 2.<br>
+        &gt; Is allowed to use macros from jpackage-utils (the file name
+        is/etc/rpm/macros.jpackage ) in a simple, normal non-java
+        application? If yes, then is mandatory to add a buildrequirement
+        of this package?<br>
+        I think yes and yes. There are some packages BR kde4-macros, but
+        they have no relation with KDE4.<br>
+        &gt; Regards<br>
+      </p>
+    </blockquote>
+    Thank you Funda!<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    On 19.02.2012 23:52, Funda Wang wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAOfq2QQSfhq6txknqDBhi-nHHsdRME8k4JoUkRL=CAsA6i4E-A@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p><br>
+        在 2012-2-20 上�6:42，"Kamil Rytarowski" &lt;<a
+          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;
+        写�：<br>
+        &gt;<br>
+        &gt; Hello!<br>
+        &gt;<br>
+        &gt; 1.<br>
+        &gt; What is the right implementation of an installation of
+        *.desktop files? I saw every possible way of adding
+        (build)require on desktop-file-utils. Is it necessary? What is
+        the best way to implement it (of course in case of a mandatory
+        requirement).<br>
+        Most software will install .desktop files themselves.  In case
+        we need to modify the menu categories, we often use
+        desktop-file-install.</p>
+      <p>&gt; 2.<br>
+        &gt; Is allowed to use macros from jpackage-utils (the file name
+        is/etc/rpm/macros.jpackage ) in a simple, normal non-java
+        application? If yes, then is mandatory to add a buildrequirement
+        of this package?<br>
+        I think yes and yes. There are some packages BR kde4-macros, but
+        they have no relation with KDE4.<br>
+        &gt; Regards<br>
+      </p>
+    </blockquote>
+    Thank you Funda!<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p>Mystification badge will redonner it tomorrow<br>
+</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 23 févr. 2012 23:41, &quot;Pascal Terjan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 22:36, Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; While working on debugging isos, we found out that a big cleanning<br>
+&gt; should be done on rpmsrate. Below a list of packages non available in<br>
+&gt; Mageia. Can you please add a status<br>
+<br>
+The list seem wrong, it lists available packages<br>
+<br>
+# urpmq --use-distrib /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/ -r bc<br>
+bc-1.06.95-2.mga1<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Mystification badge will redonner it tomorrow<br>
+</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 23 févr. 2012 23:41, &quot;Pascal Terjan&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 22:36, Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; While working on debugging isos, we found out that a big cleanning<br>
+&gt; should be done on rpmsrate. Below a list of packages non available in<br>
+&gt; Mageia. Can you please add a status<br>
+<br>
+The list seem wrong, it lists available packages<br>
+<br>
+# urpmq --use-distrib /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/ -r bc<br>
+bc-1.06.95-2.mga1<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Jeff Robins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br></div>
+<br>
+3) I installed a second NIC in the machine and the eth0 and eth1 aliases<br>
+      keep sometimes switch between the two<br>
+   - I already saw a bug report about this, but it is really annoying<br>
+<br>
+4) dhclient isn&#39;t run automatically.  I have to run it manually<br>
+   - Network Center is set for automatic IP and dhclient is set as the<br>
+      DHCP client<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I took a look at &quot;ifcfg-eth0&quot; and &quot;ifcfg-eth1&quot;.  It looks like eth0 is setup properly, but eth1 has minimal information.  They are both setup the same way in Network Center.<br>
+eth1 only has the following:<br>DEVICE=eth1<br>BOOTPROTO=dhcp<br>NETMASK=255.255.255.0<br>ONBOOT=yes<br>METRIC=10<br><br>Also, &quot;service network stop/start/etc&quot; doesn&#39;t affect eth0, but it does affect eth1 and lo.<br>
+<br>--Jeff<br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Jeff Robins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br></div>
+<br>
+3) I installed a second NIC in the machine and the eth0 and eth1 aliases<br>
+      keep sometimes switch between the two<br>
+   - I already saw a bug report about this, but it is really annoying<br>
+<br>
+4) dhclient isn&#39;t run automatically.  I have to run it manually<br>
+   - Network Center is set for automatic IP and dhclient is set as the<br>
+      DHCP client<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I took a look at &quot;ifcfg-eth0&quot; and &quot;ifcfg-eth1&quot;.  It looks like eth0 is setup properly, but eth1 has minimal information.  They are both setup the same way in Network Center.<br>
+eth1 only has the following:<br>DEVICE=eth1<br>BOOTPROTO=dhcp<br>NETMASK=255.255.255.0<br>ONBOOT=yes<br>METRIC=10<br><br>Also, &quot;service network stop/start/etc&quot; doesn&#39;t affect eth0, but it does affect eth1 and lo.<br>
+<br>--Jeff<br><br>
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+I think there&#39;s an issue  with binrepo, can someone help? thanks!<br><br><br>BS$ ssh-agent /bin/bash<br>BS$ ssh-add<br>Enter passphrase for /home/kharec/.ssh/id_rsa: <br>Identity added: /home/kharec/.ssh/id_rsa (/home/kharec/.ssh/id_rsa)<br>
+BS$ mgarepo submit<br>error: SPECS and/or SOURCES directories not found<br>BS$ ls<br>CPAN  workspace<br>BS$ cd workspace/<br>BS$ ls<br>ncmpcpp<br>BS$ cd ncmpcpp/<br>BS$ ls<br>BUILD  BUILDROOT  RPMS  SOURCES  SPECS  SRPMS  svn-commit.tmp~<br>
+BS$ mgarepo submit<br>Submitting ncmpcpp at revision 214601<br>URL: svn+ssh://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/ncmpcpp">svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/ncmpcpp</a><br>Implicit target: cauldron<br>
+error: command failed: ssh <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org">pkgsubmit.mageia.org</a> /usr/local/bin/submit_package -t cauldron --define sid=63354b80-65e2-4f11-a135-ca61382eccd5 -r 214601 svn+ssh://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/ncmpcpp">svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/ncmpcpp</a><br>
+--2012-02-25 16:49:06--  <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org//2402a6e333484d64011d0135ea6659dc784adc5a">http://binrepo.mageia.org//2402a6e333484d64011d0135ea6659dc784adc5a</a><br>Resolving <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a> (<a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a>)... 2a02:2178:2:7::3, 212.85.158.147<br>
+Connecting to <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a> (<a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a>)|2a02:2178:2:7::3|:80... connected.<br>HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK<br>
+Length: 373853 (365K) [text/plain]<br>Saving to: `/var/lib/schedbot/repsys/tmp/tmpo6_SQF/SOURCES/ncmpcpp-0.5.8.tar.bz2&#39;<br><br>     0K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 13%  293M 0s<br>    50K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 27%  490M 0s<br>
+   100K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 41%  527M 0s<br>   150K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 54%  517M 0s<br>   200K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 68%  530M 0s<br>
+   250K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 82%  511M 0s<br>   300K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 95%  613M 0s<br>   350K .......... .....                                      100%  559M=0.001s<br>
+<br>2012-02-25 16:49:06 (477 MB/s) - `/var/lib/schedbot/repsys/tmp/tmpo6_SQF/SOURCES/ncmpcpp-0.5.8.tar.bz2&#39; saved [373853/373853]<br><br>--2012-02-25 16:49:06--  <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org//c431af3b0394024bee03f828a69712feb0abd624">http://binrepo.mageia.org//c431af3b0394024bee03f828a69712feb0abd624</a><br>
+Resolving <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a> (<a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a>)... 2a02:2178:2:7::3, 212.85.158.147<br>Connecting to <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a> (<a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a>)|2a02:2178:2:7::3|:80... connected.<br>
+HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found<br>2012-02-25 16:49:06 ERROR 404: Not Found.<br><br>error: Could not download file <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org//c431af3b0394024bee03f828a69712feb0abd624">http://binrepo.mageia.org//c431af3b0394024bee03f828a69712feb0abd624</a><br>
+<br><br><br>
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+I think there&#39;s an issue  with binrepo, can someone help? thanks!<br><br><br>BS$ ssh-agent /bin/bash<br>BS$ ssh-add<br>Enter passphrase for /home/kharec/.ssh/id_rsa: <br>Identity added: /home/kharec/.ssh/id_rsa (/home/kharec/.ssh/id_rsa)<br>
+BS$ mgarepo submit<br>error: SPECS and/or SOURCES directories not found<br>BS$ ls<br>CPAN  workspace<br>BS$ cd workspace/<br>BS$ ls<br>ncmpcpp<br>BS$ cd ncmpcpp/<br>BS$ ls<br>BUILD  BUILDROOT  RPMS  SOURCES  SPECS  SRPMS  svn-commit.tmp~<br>
+BS$ mgarepo submit<br>Submitting ncmpcpp at revision 214601<br>URL: svn+ssh://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/ncmpcpp">svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/ncmpcpp</a><br>Implicit target: cauldron<br>
+error: command failed: ssh <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org">pkgsubmit.mageia.org</a> /usr/local/bin/submit_package -t cauldron --define sid=63354b80-65e2-4f11-a135-ca61382eccd5 -r 214601 svn+ssh://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/ncmpcpp">svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/ncmpcpp</a><br>
+--2012-02-25 16:49:06--  <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org//2402a6e333484d64011d0135ea6659dc784adc5a">http://binrepo.mageia.org//2402a6e333484d64011d0135ea6659dc784adc5a</a><br>Resolving <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a> (<a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a>)... 2a02:2178:2:7::3, 212.85.158.147<br>
+Connecting to <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a> (<a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a>)|2a02:2178:2:7::3|:80... connected.<br>HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK<br>
+Length: 373853 (365K) [text/plain]<br>Saving to: `/var/lib/schedbot/repsys/tmp/tmpo6_SQF/SOURCES/ncmpcpp-0.5.8.tar.bz2&#39;<br><br>     0K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 13%  293M 0s<br>    50K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 27%  490M 0s<br>
+   100K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 41%  527M 0s<br>   150K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 54%  517M 0s<br>   200K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 68%  530M 0s<br>
+   250K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 82%  511M 0s<br>   300K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 95%  613M 0s<br>   350K .......... .....                                      100%  559M=0.001s<br>
+<br>2012-02-25 16:49:06 (477 MB/s) - `/var/lib/schedbot/repsys/tmp/tmpo6_SQF/SOURCES/ncmpcpp-0.5.8.tar.bz2&#39; saved [373853/373853]<br><br>--2012-02-25 16:49:06--  <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org//c431af3b0394024bee03f828a69712feb0abd624">http://binrepo.mageia.org//c431af3b0394024bee03f828a69712feb0abd624</a><br>
+Resolving <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a> (<a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a>)... 2a02:2178:2:7::3, 212.85.158.147<br>Connecting to <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a> (<a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org">binrepo.mageia.org</a>)|2a02:2178:2:7::3|:80... connected.<br>
+HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found<br>2012-02-25 16:49:06 ERROR 404: Not Found.<br><br>error: Could not download file <a href="http://binrepo.mageia.org//c431af3b0394024bee03f828a69712feb0abd624">http://binrepo.mageia.org//c431af3b0394024bee03f828a69712feb0abd624</a><br>
+<br><br><br>
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+<p><br>
+Le 25 févr. 2012 06:34, &quot;eatdirt&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dirteat@gmail.com">dirteat@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 25/02/12 08:41, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;m going to add a volume mixer for a default desktop in Window Maker.<br>
+&gt;&gt; What is the name of the binary of the gnome mixer applet? I am looking<br>
+&gt;&gt; for something modern against pulseaudio.</p>
+<p>You just need a mixer or there is eventually a need for a systray applet ?<br>
+ <br>
+&gt; pavucontrol?<br>
+could is probably the better solution if the need is only a mixer volume however if you need a systray applet gnome mixer is probably not the best choice because I fear it is going to pull a lot of stuff.</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 25 févr. 2012 06:34, &quot;eatdirt&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dirteat@gmail.com">dirteat@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 25/02/12 08:41, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;m going to add a volume mixer for a default desktop in Window Maker.<br>
+&gt;&gt; What is the name of the binary of the gnome mixer applet? I am looking<br>
+&gt;&gt; for something modern against pulseaudio.</p>
+<p>You just need a mixer or there is eventually a need for a systray applet ?<br>
+ <br>
+&gt; pavucontrol?<br>
+could is probably the better solution if the need is only a mixer volume however if you need a systray applet gnome mixer is probably not the best choice because I fear it is going to pull a lot of stuff.</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120225/ade54100/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120225/ade54100/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 25 février 2012 16:56, Jani Välimaa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/2/25 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I think there&#39;s an issue  with binrepo, can someone help? thanks!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>There&#39;s old (and unexisting?) source file mentioned in sha1.lst.<br>
+<br>
+So, you need to edit sha1.lst by hand. Remove entry for old source<br>
+tarball and commit your change. Then try to submit again.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>It works. Thanks again :)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 25 février 2012 16:56, Jani Välimaa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/2/25 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I think there&#39;s an issue  with binrepo, can someone help? thanks!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>There&#39;s old (and unexisting?) source file mentioned in sha1.lst.<br>
+<br>
+So, you need to edit sha1.lst by hand. Remove entry for old source<br>
+tarball and commit your change. Then try to submit again.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>It works. Thanks again :)<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120225/f3e53c9c/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120225/f3e53c9c/attachment-0001.html
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    On 25.02.2012 14:01, John Balcaen wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CABV-EOt5D1PYrfoKNNoa1p96M1sKtGEmpre3chtpQz4TR0EcxQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p><br>
+        Le 25 févr. 2012 06:34, "eatdirt" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="mailto:dirteat@gmail.com">dirteat@gmail.com</a>&gt; a
+        écrit :<br>
+        &gt;<br>
+        &gt; On 25/02/12 08:41, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:<br>
+        &gt;&gt;<br>
+        &gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+        &gt;&gt;<br>
+        &gt;&gt; I'm going to add a volume mixer for a default desktop
+        in Window Maker.<br>
+        &gt;&gt; What is the name of the binary of the gnome mixer
+        applet? I am looking<br>
+        &gt;&gt; for something modern against pulseaudio.</p>
+      <p>You just need a mixer or there is eventually a need for a
+        systray applet ?<br>
+      </p>
+    </blockquote>
+    I prefer to take an applet for system tray. There is actually a
+    dockapp to handle system tray, and I don't want to take extra space
+    for user's applets.<br>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CABV-EOt5D1PYrfoKNNoa1p96M1sKtGEmpre3chtpQz4TR0EcxQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p> <br>
+        &gt; pavucontrol?<br>
+        could is probably the better solution if the need is only a
+        mixer volume however if you need a systray applet gnome mixer is
+        probably not the best choice because I fear it is going to pull
+        a lot of stuff.</p>
+    </blockquote>
+    Thank you for the suggestion, I have found what is the name of the
+    volume control in Gnome and unfortunately it's connected with
+    gnome-control-center. I had a look what is available in FreeCode and
+    I took gvolwheel as the best available choice (it was in Mandriva
+    too) - although I will have to rework the package a little bit.
+    There will be a master volume control + a button to pavucontrol.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks and regards!<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    On 25.02.2012 14:01, John Balcaen wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CABV-EOt5D1PYrfoKNNoa1p96M1sKtGEmpre3chtpQz4TR0EcxQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p><br>
+        Le 25 févr. 2012 06:34, "eatdirt" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="mailto:dirteat@gmail.com">dirteat@gmail.com</a>&gt; a
+        écrit :<br>
+        &gt;<br>
+        &gt; On 25/02/12 08:41, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:<br>
+        &gt;&gt;<br>
+        &gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+        &gt;&gt;<br>
+        &gt;&gt; I'm going to add a volume mixer for a default desktop
+        in Window Maker.<br>
+        &gt;&gt; What is the name of the binary of the gnome mixer
+        applet? I am looking<br>
+        &gt;&gt; for something modern against pulseaudio.</p>
+      <p>You just need a mixer or there is eventually a need for a
+        systray applet ?<br>
+      </p>
+    </blockquote>
+    I prefer to take an applet for system tray. There is actually a
+    dockapp to handle system tray, and I don't want to take extra space
+    for user's applets.<br>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CABV-EOt5D1PYrfoKNNoa1p96M1sKtGEmpre3chtpQz4TR0EcxQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p> <br>
+        &gt; pavucontrol?<br>
+        could is probably the better solution if the need is only a
+        mixer volume however if you need a systray applet gnome mixer is
+        probably not the best choice because I fear it is going to pull
+        a lot of stuff.</p>
+    </blockquote>
+    Thank you for the suggestion, I have found what is the name of the
+    volume control in Gnome and unfortunately it's connected with
+    gnome-control-center. I had a look what is available in FreeCode and
+    I took gvolwheel as the best available choice (it was in Mandriva
+    too) - although I will have to rework the package a little bit.
+    There will be a master volume control + a button to pavucontrol.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks and regards!<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey!<br>
+      <br>
+      According to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development</a> we
+      are going to hit versions freeze pretty soon.</font> Is it
+    confirmed that it will be March 7th? In this case we have the last
+    weekend before freeze. And weekend is for many packagers the only
+    time to work on their packages.<br>
+    <br>
+    Such dates should be announced in advance.<br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Sander</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey!<br>
+      <br>
+      According to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development</a> we
+      are going to hit versions freeze pretty soon.</font> Is it
+    confirmed that it will be March 7th? In this case we have the last
+    weekend before freeze. And weekend is for many packagers the only
+    time to work on their packages.<br>
+    <br>
+    Such dates should be announced in advance.<br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Sander</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why QT3 isn't available in Mageia?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It is sill developed and it's needed for some users.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<hr />
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-style:italic; color:#808080;">Pozdrowienia Wojtulas</span></p></body></html>
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+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why QT3 isn't available in Mageia?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It is sill developed and it's needed for some users.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<hr />
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-style:italic; color:#808080;">Pozdrowienia Wojtulas</span></p></body></html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    On 02.03.2012 14:52, Sander Lepik wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F50D0A9.5090504@eesti.ee" type="cite">
+      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey!<br>
+        <br>
+        According to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+          href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development</a>
+        we are going to hit versions freeze pretty soon.</font> Is it
+      confirmed that it will be March 7th? In this case we have the last
+      weekend before freeze. And weekend is for many packagers the only
+      time to work on their packages.<br>
+      <br>
+      Such dates should be announced in advance.<br>
+      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Sander</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Is this hour 0:00 or 23:59 ? Paris time zone?<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    On 02.03.2012 14:52, Sander Lepik wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F50D0A9.5090504@eesti.ee" type="cite">
+      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey!<br>
+        <br>
+        According to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+          href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development</a>
+        we are going to hit versions freeze pretty soon.</font> Is it
+      confirmed that it will be March 7th? In this case we have the last
+      weekend before freeze. And weekend is for many packagers the only
+      time to work on their packages.<br>
+      <br>
+      Such dates should be announced in advance.<br>
+      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Sander</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Is this hour 0:00 or 23:59 ? Paris time zone?<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p>&gt; Well, actually I&#39;m sure it could. But why? All meeting logs are publicly available at <a href="https://meetbot.mageia.org/">https://meetbot.mageia.org/</a></p>
+<p>Why? Because now i know this link for some time and then i forget it again :) Sorry but Mageia isn&#39;t the only project where i&#39;m contributing. I just can&#39;t remember everything. But thanks for the link.</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+<p>&gt; Well, actually I&#39;m sure it could. But why? All meeting logs are publicly available at <a href="https://meetbot.mageia.org/">https://meetbot.mageia.org/</a></p>
+<p>Why? Because now i know this link for some time and then i forget it again :) Sorry but Mageia isn&#39;t the only project where i&#39;m contributing. I just can&#39;t remember everything. But thanks for the link.</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+<p>On Mar 3, 2012 7:41 PM, &quot;Oliver Burger&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; And in the last meeting logs for this channel, the reminder was said and discussed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Oliver</p>
+<p>Can this link be sent to list after meeting? Or is this too much asked? Or was it sent and i just missed it?</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+<p>On Mar 3, 2012 7:41 PM, &quot;Oliver Burger&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; And in the last meeting logs for this channel, the reminder was said and discussed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Oliver</p>
+<p>Can this link be sent to list after meeting? Or is this too much asked? Or was it sent and i just missed it?</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+removing package nvidia-current-kernel-3.2.9-server-1.mga2-290.10-15.mga2.nonfree.x86_64
+Subroutine detect_devices::formatError redefined at /usr/lib/libDrakX/detect_devices.pm line 12
+"my" variable $_pkg masks earlier declaration in same scope at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/format.pm line 199 (#1)
+    (W misc) A "my", "our" or "state" variable has been redeclared in the
+    current scope or statement, effectively eliminating all access to the
+    previous instance.  This is almost always a typographical error.  Note
+    that the earlier variable will still exist until the end of the scope
+    or until all closure referents to it are destroyed.
+    
+"my" variable $cmd masks earlier declaration in same scope at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/format.pm line 199 (#1)
+
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/detect_devices.pm line 218 (#2)
+    (W uninitialized) An undefined value was used as if it were already
+    defined.  It was interpreted as a "" or a 0, but maybe it was a mistake.
+    To suppress this warning assign a defined value to your variables.
+    
+    To help you figure out what was undefined, perl will try to tell you the
+    name of the variable (if any) that was undefined. In some cases it cannot
+    do this, so it also tells you what operation you used the undefined value
+    in.  Note, however, that perl optimizes your program and the operation
+    displayed in the warning may not necessarily appear literally in your
+    program.  For example, "that $foo" is usually optimized into "that "
+    . $foo, and the warning will refer to the concatenation (.) operator,
+    even though there is no . in your program.
+    
+Use of uninitialized value $o_prefix in concatenation (.) or string at
+	/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14.1/MDK/Common/System.pm line 345 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $o_prefix in concatenation (.) or string at
+	/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14.1/MDK/Common/System.pm line 352 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	290 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	298 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line 309 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	323 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	322 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	324 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/devices.pm line 215 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 180 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 183 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 188 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/devices.pm line 194 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $file in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/devices.pm line 197 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $_ in concatenation (.) or string at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/devices.pm line 197 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $type in string eq at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 200 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $v in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm
+	line 468 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 1436 (#2)
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+DKMS: uninstall Completed.
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+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/format.pm line 199 (#1)
+    (W misc) A "my", "our" or "state" variable has been redeclared in the
+    current scope or statement, effectively eliminating all access to the
+    previous instance.  This is almost always a typographical error.  Note
+    that the earlier variable will still exist until the end of the scope
+    or until all closure referents to it are destroyed.
+    
+"my" variable $cmd masks earlier declaration in same scope at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/format.pm line 199 (#1)
+
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/detect_devices.pm line 218 (#2)
+    (W uninitialized) An undefined value was used as if it were already
+    defined.  It was interpreted as a "" or a 0, but maybe it was a mistake.
+    To suppress this warning assign a defined value to your variables.
+    
+    To help you figure out what was undefined, perl will try to tell you the
+    name of the variable (if any) that was undefined. In some cases it cannot
+    do this, so it also tells you what operation you used the undefined value
+    in.  Note, however, that perl optimizes your program and the operation
+    displayed in the warning may not necessarily appear literally in your
+    program.  For example, "that $foo" is usually optimized into "that "
+    . $foo, and the warning will refer to the concatenation (.) operator,
+    even though there is no . in your program.
+    
+Use of uninitialized value $o_prefix in concatenation (.) or string at
+	/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14.1/MDK/Common/System.pm line 345 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $o_prefix in concatenation (.) or string at
+	/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14.1/MDK/Common/System.pm line 352 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	290 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	298 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line 309 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	323 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	322 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/fs/type.pm line
+	324 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/devices.pm line 215 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 180 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 183 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 188 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $_ in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/devices.pm line 194 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $file in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/devices.pm line 197 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $_ in concatenation (.) or string at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/devices.pm line 197 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $type in string eq at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 200 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value $v in string eq at /usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm
+	line 468 (#2)
+Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
+	/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm line 1436 (#2)
+
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+<p><br>
+Le 3 mars 2012 18:07, &quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+[...]</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m working right now on updating it to 0.9 final released at the<br>
+&gt; beginning of this week, give me a couple hours to finish and test with<br>
+&gt; this one.<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p> I guess Colin is talking about NetworkManager &amp; not knetworkmanager :)</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 3 mars 2012 18:07, &quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+[...]</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m working right now on updating it to 0.9 final released at the<br>
+&gt; beginning of this week, give me a couple hours to finish and test with<br>
+&gt; this one.<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p> I guess Colin is talking about NetworkManager &amp; not knetworkmanager :)</p>
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+Hello,<br><br>since the last update of cauldron today, I lost the network.<br><br>I launch command systemctl status sytem.network, the return is :<br><br>system.service<br>       Loaded : error (Reason : No such file or directory)<br>
+
+       Active : inactive (dead)<br><br>And I can&#39;t start network service with system manager (systemctl error)<br><br>Any idea ?<br><br>Regards,<br>Thibaut<br>
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+Hello,<br><br>since the last update of cauldron today, I lost the network.<br><br>I launch command systemctl status sytem.network, the return is :<br><br>system.service<br>       Loaded : error (Reason : No such file or directory)<br>
+
+       Active : inactive (dead)<br><br>And I can&#39;t start network service with system manager (systemctl error)<br><br>Any idea ?<br><br>Regards,<br>Thibaut<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/631d4318/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/631d4318/attachment-0001.obj
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+commit d66ae590be88c1e5e47088dcd250b7f9b9b4a8dc
+Author: Dousig <thierry.vignaud@gmail.com>
+Date:   Mon Mar 5 15:31:53 2012 +0100
+
+    (install) fix circular reference that defeats perl's GC
+    
+    else we keep the RPM DB open several times until rpm fails:
+    
+    created transaction for installing on / (remove=0, install=0, upgrade=8)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    error: cannot open Basenames index using db4 - Cannot allocate memory (12)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    error: cannot open Group index using db4 - Cannot allocate memory (12)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    error: cannot open Requirename index using db4 - Cannot allocate memory (12)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    error: cannot open Triggername index using db4 - Cannot allocate memory (12)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    (...)
+    
+    regression introduced in commit r2946 on 2012-02-14
+    (was: '(install) --test: do not display "More information on package"')
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 50b0dba..dfbc36d 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
+ - explicitely close the RPM DB after each transaction
++- fix circular dependency that defeats perl's GC
+ - warn if --allow-force, --allow-nodeps, --force or --keep is in use (mga#3127)
+ 
+ Version 6.45 - 27 February 2012
+diff --git a/urpm/install.pm b/urpm/install.pm
+index fc30b84..3dd9730 100644
+--- a/urpm/install.pm
++++ b/urpm/install.pm
+@@ -222,6 +222,7 @@ sub install {
+ 	$urpm->{readmes} = {};
+ 	my $index;
+ 	my $fh;
++	my $is_test = $options{test}; # fix circular reference
+ 	#- assume default value for some parameter.
+ 	$options{delta} ||= 1000;
+ 
+@@ -239,7 +240,7 @@ sub install {
+ 	    my ($urpm, undef, $pkgid) = @_;
+ 	    return unless defined $pkgid;
+ 	    $callback_close_helper and $callback_close_helper->($db, @_);
+-	    get_README_files($urpm, $trans, $urpm->{depslist}[$pkgid]) if !$options{test};
++	    get_README_files($urpm, $trans, $urpm->{depslist}[$pkgid]) if !$is_test;
+ 	    close $fh if defined $fh;
+ 	};
+ 	#- ensure perl does not create a circular reference below, otherwise all this won't be collected,
\ No newline at end of file
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+commit d66ae590be88c1e5e47088dcd250b7f9b9b4a8dc
+Author: Dousig <thierry.vignaud@gmail.com>
+Date:   Mon Mar 5 15:31:53 2012 +0100
+
+    (install) fix circular reference that defeats perl's GC
+    
+    else we keep the RPM DB open several times until rpm fails:
+    
+    created transaction for installing on / (remove=0, install=0, upgrade=8)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    error: cannot open Basenames index using db4 - Cannot allocate memory (12)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    error: cannot open Group index using db4 - Cannot allocate memory (12)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    error: cannot open Requirename index using db4 - Cannot allocate memory (12)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    error: cannot open Triggername index using db4 - Cannot allocate memory (12)
+    error: rpmdb: Lock table is out of available locker entries
+    (...)
+    
+    regression introduced in commit r2946 on 2012-02-14
+    (was: '(install) --test: do not display "More information on package"')
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 50b0dba..dfbc36d 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
+ - explicitely close the RPM DB after each transaction
++- fix circular dependency that defeats perl's GC
+ - warn if --allow-force, --allow-nodeps, --force or --keep is in use (mga#3127)
+ 
+ Version 6.45 - 27 February 2012
+diff --git a/urpm/install.pm b/urpm/install.pm
+index fc30b84..3dd9730 100644
+--- a/urpm/install.pm
++++ b/urpm/install.pm
+@@ -222,6 +222,7 @@ sub install {
+ 	$urpm->{readmes} = {};
+ 	my $index;
+ 	my $fh;
++	my $is_test = $options{test}; # fix circular reference
+ 	#- assume default value for some parameter.
+ 	$options{delta} ||= 1000;
+ 
+@@ -239,7 +240,7 @@ sub install {
+ 	    my ($urpm, undef, $pkgid) = @_;
+ 	    return unless defined $pkgid;
+ 	    $callback_close_helper and $callback_close_helper->($db, @_);
+-	    get_README_files($urpm, $trans, $urpm->{depslist}[$pkgid]) if !$options{test};
++	    get_README_files($urpm, $trans, $urpm->{depslist}[$pkgid]) if !$is_test;
+ 	    close $fh if defined $fh;
+ 	};
+ 	#- ensure perl does not create a circular reference below, otherwise all this won't be collected,
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/819e63d8/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/819e63d8/attachment-0001.html
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index 000000000..7091e45e0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/819e63d8/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,17 @@
+<p><br>
+On Mar 5, 2012 8:03 AM, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 4 March 2012 10:26, D.Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I guess he means this one,<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; here&#39;s Luc encountering it in BS:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/012553.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/012553.html</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; and me on my cauldron box:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/012517.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/012517.html</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; i have this when installing buildrequires of libreoffice in the BS too<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I suggest rebuilding chroot tarballs after removing /var/lib/rpm/_db*</p>
+<p>I wanted to do that last night but iurt code is already removing them at the end of chroot generation<br>
+</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/819e63d8/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/819e63d8/attachment.html
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@@ -0,0 +1,17 @@
+<p><br>
+On Mar 5, 2012 8:03 AM, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 4 March 2012 10:26, D.Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I guess he means this one,<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; here&#39;s Luc encountering it in BS:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/012553.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/012553.html</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; and me on my cauldron box:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/012517.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-March/012517.html</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; i have this when installing buildrequires of libreoffice in the BS too<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I suggest rebuilding chroot tarballs after removing /var/lib/rpm/_db*</p>
+<p>I wanted to do that last night but iurt code is already removing them at the end of chroot generation<br>
+</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/bc89443b/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/bc89443b/attachment-0001.html
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index 000000000..66feebd0a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/bc89443b/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,41 @@
+<p><br>
+Le 5 mars 2012 10:45, &quot;Guillaume Rousse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 05/03/2012 15:43, John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le 5 mars 2012 10:37, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; On 5 March 2012 15:06, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi fails to auto close the rpmdb, thus we keep the DB open<br>
+&gt;&gt; more &amp; more<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; until we break.<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Just rebuild urpmi with this patch (-R is needed)<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We&#39;d this issue in the past, we fixed it but we mush have got some<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; circular dependency again somewhere.<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Just applied and submitted to BS<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; (...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt; the  Buildrequires have been installed correctly on the BS for<br>
+&gt;&gt; libreoffice  \o/<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt; And compiz was uploaded :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; Here&#39;s the real fix<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; I&#39;ll commit it tonight and release a new urpmi<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Is there an easy way to detect those circular dependency so we can fix<br>
+&gt;&gt; eventually thoses ? ( at least in kde :p)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is about circular dependencies inside perl code, what kind of help are you refering to here ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+I misread the previous mail.<br>
+</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/bc89443b/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/bc89443b/attachment.html
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index 000000000..66feebd0a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/bc89443b/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,41 @@
+<p><br>
+Le 5 mars 2012 10:45, &quot;Guillaume Rousse&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 05/03/2012 15:43, John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le 5 mars 2012 10:37, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; On 5 March 2012 15:06, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi fails to auto close the rpmdb, thus we keep the DB open<br>
+&gt;&gt; more &amp; more<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; until we break.<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Just rebuild urpmi with this patch (-R is needed)<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We&#39;d this issue in the past, we fixed it but we mush have got some<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; circular dependency again somewhere.<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Just applied and submitted to BS<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; (...)<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;&gt; the  Buildrequires have been installed correctly on the BS for<br>
+&gt;&gt; libreoffice  \o/<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; &gt; And compiz was uploaded :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; Here&#39;s the real fix<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  &gt; I&#39;ll commit it tonight and release a new urpmi<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Is there an easy way to detect those circular dependency so we can fix<br>
+&gt;&gt; eventually thoses ? ( at least in kde :p)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is about circular dependencies inside perl code, what kind of help are you refering to here ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+I misread the previous mail.<br>
+</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/cffa88ee/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120305/cffa88ee/attachment-0001.obj
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index 000000000..32ce67d72
--- /dev/null
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@@ -0,0 +1,32 @@
+commit 6adc54613c28970be25150af81da0e1cce27b97f
+Author: tv <tv@99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94>
+Date:   Tue Mar 24 15:39:51 2009 +0000
+
+    (install) revert refcount workarounds now that we fix refcounting in
+    r254652 ; revert both:
+    
+    - r253559 (2009-03-04) "(install) close another fd leak (needed for
+      drakx)"
+    
+    - and r253550 (2009-03-04: "(install) explicitely close the RPM DB on
+      comleting transaction (needed for drakx -- looks like refcount has
+      hard work)"
+    
+    
+    git-svn-id: svn+ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/rpm/urpmi/trunk@254653 99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94
+
+diff --git a/urpm/install.pm b/urpm/install.pm
+index 4faab2d..a18796f 100644
+--- a/urpm/install.pm
++++ b/urpm/install.pm
+@@ -289,10 +289,6 @@ sub install {
+ 
+     urpm::sys::may_clean_rpmdb_shared_regions($urpm, $options{test});
+ 
+-    # explicitely close the RPM DB (needed for drakx -- looks like refcount has hard work):
+-    undef $db;
+-    undef $trans;
+-
+     @errors;
+ }
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..32ce67d72
--- /dev/null
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@@ -0,0 +1,32 @@
+commit 6adc54613c28970be25150af81da0e1cce27b97f
+Author: tv <tv@99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94>
+Date:   Tue Mar 24 15:39:51 2009 +0000
+
+    (install) revert refcount workarounds now that we fix refcounting in
+    r254652 ; revert both:
+    
+    - r253559 (2009-03-04) "(install) close another fd leak (needed for
+      drakx)"
+    
+    - and r253550 (2009-03-04: "(install) explicitely close the RPM DB on
+      comleting transaction (needed for drakx -- looks like refcount has
+      hard work)"
+    
+    
+    git-svn-id: svn+ssh://svn.mandriva.com/svn/soft/rpm/urpmi/trunk@254653 99302b65-d5f7-0310-b3dd-f8cd6f4e3d94
+
+diff --git a/urpm/install.pm b/urpm/install.pm
+index 4faab2d..a18796f 100644
+--- a/urpm/install.pm
++++ b/urpm/install.pm
+@@ -289,10 +289,6 @@ sub install {
+ 
+     urpm::sys::may_clean_rpmdb_shared_regions($urpm, $options{test});
+ 
+-    # explicitely close the RPM DB (needed for drakx -- looks like refcount has hard work):
+-    undef $db;
+-    undef $trans;
+-
+     @errors;
+ }
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
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index 000000000..c103c902d
--- /dev/null
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@@ -0,0 +1,25 @@
+<p><br>
+Le 5 mars 2012 10:37, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 5 March 2012 15:06, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi fails to auto close the rpmdb, thus we keep the DB open more &amp; more<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; until we break.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Just rebuild urpmi with this patch (-R is needed)<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We&#39;d this issue in the past, we fixed it but we mush have got some<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; circular dependency again somewhere.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Just applied and submitted to BS<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (...)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; the  Buildrequires have been installed correctly on the BS for libreoffice  \o/<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And compiz was uploaded :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Here&#39;s the real fix<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ll commit it tonight and release a new urpmi</p>
+<p>Is there an easy way to detect those circular dependency so we can fix eventually thoses ? ( at least in kde :p)<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 5 mars 2012 10:37, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 5 March 2012 15:06, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; urpmi fails to auto close the rpmdb, thus we keep the DB open more &amp; more<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; until we break.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Just rebuild urpmi with this patch (-R is needed)<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We&#39;d this issue in the past, we fixed it but we mush have got some<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; circular dependency again somewhere.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Just applied and submitted to BS<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (...)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; the  Buildrequires have been installed correctly on the BS for libreoffice  \o/<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And compiz was uploaded :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Here&#39;s the real fix<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ll commit it tonight and release a new urpmi</p>
+<p>Is there an easy way to detect those circular dependency so we can fix eventually thoses ? ( at least in kde :p)<br>
+</p>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/5 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+&#39;Twas brillig, and paulo at 05/03/12 15:43 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Le 05/03/2012 16:32, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/3/4 Shlomi Fish&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Thibaut,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:19:37 +0100<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thibaut FRANCOIS&lt;<a href="mailto:thibautf@gmail.com">thibautf@gmail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; since the last update of cauldron today, I lost the network.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I launch command systemctl status sytem.network, the return is :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; system.service<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;         Loaded : error (Reason : No such file or directory)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;         Active : inactive (dead)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; And I can&#39;t start network service with system manager (systemctl error)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Any idea ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; It might be this bug:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4780" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4780</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; To workaround it, disable NetworkManager , change<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;NM_CONTROLLED=yes&quot; to &quot;NM_CONTROLLED=no&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 (or of your<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; networking interface is) and restart the &quot;network&quot; service&quot;.<br>
+&gt;&gt; This problem is an ongoing issue in one of my Cauldron installations.<br>
+&gt;&gt; After not being able to connect wifi (no matter with or without<br>
+&gt;&gt; networkmanager) for a longer time it worked since last Saturday, but<br>
+&gt;&gt; with todays updates it stops working again, or better: is back to<br>
+&gt;&gt; connect / disconnect continuously.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Weird thing: it only shows these problems in the installation I set up<br>
+&gt;&gt; with Beta1 - in another Cauldron on the same machine, based on Alpha1<br>
+&gt;&gt; (updated as of today), wifi has been running stable all the time. This<br>
+&gt;&gt; brings me to the conclusion that there is another reason for this<br>
+&gt;&gt; ongoing issue.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; i had the same issue....resolved with uninstallation of<br>
+&gt; networkmanager...dont know why?????<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I don&#39;t know why people are so confused here... I mentioned this a<br>
+couple days ago in the thread &quot;Problem with latest network manager&quot;...<br>
+<br>
+Of course those without internet access might have trouble reading the<br>
+mailing list :p<br>
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Well it seems my problems was also related with a dysfunction on my CPL boxes. Maybe due to the absence of Network Manager, I had error messages and it has been difficult to relaunch ethernet access. Now all is fixed and Network Manager is reinstalled. So, really sorry for this noise... :-(<br>
+
+</div></div><br>Thibaut<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/5 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+&#39;Twas brillig, and paulo at 05/03/12 15:43 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Le 05/03/2012 16:32, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/3/4 Shlomi Fish&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Thibaut,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:19:37 +0100<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thibaut FRANCOIS&lt;<a href="mailto:thibautf@gmail.com">thibautf@gmail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; since the last update of cauldron today, I lost the network.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I launch command systemctl status sytem.network, the return is :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; system.service<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;         Loaded : error (Reason : No such file or directory)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;         Active : inactive (dead)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; And I can&#39;t start network service with system manager (systemctl error)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Any idea ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; It might be this bug:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4780" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4780</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; To workaround it, disable NetworkManager , change<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;NM_CONTROLLED=yes&quot; to &quot;NM_CONTROLLED=no&quot;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 (or of your<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; networking interface is) and restart the &quot;network&quot; service&quot;.<br>
+&gt;&gt; This problem is an ongoing issue in one of my Cauldron installations.<br>
+&gt;&gt; After not being able to connect wifi (no matter with or without<br>
+&gt;&gt; networkmanager) for a longer time it worked since last Saturday, but<br>
+&gt;&gt; with todays updates it stops working again, or better: is back to<br>
+&gt;&gt; connect / disconnect continuously.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Weird thing: it only shows these problems in the installation I set up<br>
+&gt;&gt; with Beta1 - in another Cauldron on the same machine, based on Alpha1<br>
+&gt;&gt; (updated as of today), wifi has been running stable all the time. This<br>
+&gt;&gt; brings me to the conclusion that there is another reason for this<br>
+&gt;&gt; ongoing issue.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; i had the same issue....resolved with uninstallation of<br>
+&gt; networkmanager...dont know why?????<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I don&#39;t know why people are so confused here... I mentioned this a<br>
+couple days ago in the thread &quot;Problem with latest network manager&quot;...<br>
+<br>
+Of course those without internet access might have trouble reading the<br>
+mailing list :p<br>
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Well it seems my problems was also related with a dysfunction on my CPL boxes. Maybe due to the absence of Network Manager, I had error messages and it has been difficult to relaunch ethernet access. Now all is fixed and Network Manager is reinstalled. So, really sorry for this noise... :-(<br>
+
+</div></div><br>Thibaut<br>
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+--- /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py	2012-02-21 01:49:17.000000000 +0200
++++ Gtk.py	2012-03-06 20:24:00.156775212 +0200
+@@ -1378,7 +1378,7 @@
+ if Gtk._version != '2.0':
+     class Menu(Gtk.Menu):
+         def popup(self, parent_menu_shell, parent_menu_item, func, data, button, activate_time):
+-            self.popup_for_device(None, parent_menu_shell, parent_menu_item, func, data, button, activate_time)
++            super(Menu, self).popup(None, parent_menu_shell, parent_menu_item, func, data, button, activate_time)
+     Menu = override(Menu)
+     __all__.append('Menu')
+ 
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+--- a/gtk/gtkmenu.c
++++ b/gtk/gtkmenu.c
+@@ -1444,7 +1444,6 @@ popup_grab_on_window (GdkWindow *window,
+  * be used instead.
+  *
+  * Since: 3.0
+- * Rename to: gtk_menu_popup
+  */
+ void
+ gtk_menu_popup_for_device (GtkMenu             *menu,
+
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+--- /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py	2012-02-21 01:49:17.000000000 +0200
++++ Gtk.py	2012-03-06 20:24:00.156775212 +0200
+@@ -1378,7 +1378,7 @@
+ if Gtk._version != '2.0':
+     class Menu(Gtk.Menu):
+         def popup(self, parent_menu_shell, parent_menu_item, func, data, button, activate_time):
+-            self.popup_for_device(None, parent_menu_shell, parent_menu_item, func, data, button, activate_time)
++            super(Menu, self).popup(None, parent_menu_shell, parent_menu_item, func, data, button, activate_time)
+     Menu = override(Menu)
+     __all__.append('Menu')
+ 
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+--- a/gtk/gtkmenu.c
++++ b/gtk/gtkmenu.c
+@@ -1444,7 +1444,6 @@ popup_grab_on_window (GdkWindow *window,
+  * be used instead.
+  *
+  * Since: 3.0
+- * Rename to: gtk_menu_popup
+  */
+ void
+ gtk_menu_popup_for_device (GtkMenu             *menu,
+
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+ The latest driver update (urpmi --auto-update =&gt; dkms-nvidia-current-295-20-2) fixes the problem, but I had to reboot twice to make it work.<br><br> JC<br>
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+ The latest driver update (urpmi --auto-update =&gt; dkms-nvidia-current-295-20-2) fixes the problem, but I had to reboot twice to make it work.<br><br> JC<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Kamil Rytarowski at 02/03/12 19:43 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On 02.03.2012 19:55, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; 02.03.2012 20:49, Kamil Rytarowski skrev:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Is possible to ship qt3-devel with Mageia? Half of the the Polish<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; community is demanding it, and because of lack of qt3-devel people can&#39;t<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; switch from other Well Known Distros to Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; NO.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As stated a million times before...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; qt3 is obsolete<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The only reason we have some qt3 runtime support is because of LSB<br>
+&gt; Sad..<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Any stuff needed should be ported to qt4.<br>
+&gt; Actually this is not true. One of our Mageia users (who introduced<br>
+&gt; Mageia on a dozen of machines) can&#39;t switch the next dozen because of<br>
+&gt; lacking Rivendell Radio Broadcasting software (<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.rivendellaudio.org/index.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.rivendellaudio.org/index.shtml</a> ), the other can&#39;t use his<br>
+&gt; favourite qt3 apps, and a few others (including RH employee) are forced<br>
+&gt; to use Fedora or KDE4.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If the &quot;obsolete&quot; part is the only reason, then it&#39;s not too strong..<br>
+&gt; the package is maintained and there is *upstream*.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As of the 3.5.13 release the Trinity project has taken over maintenance<br>
+&gt; of Qt3.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     This means we are the new &quot;upstream&quot; location for up-to-date Qt3<br>
+&gt; source code.<br>
+&gt;     Since there have been no updates or stable releases from<br>
+&gt; Nokia/Trolltech in many years and there are literally hundreds patches<br>
+&gt; floating around, there was a significant need for a central location.<br>
+&gt;     By maintaining Qt3 it will allow us to continue to improve Qt3<br>
+&gt; outside the scope of Trinity. It will also provide a central location<br>
+&gt; for Linux distributions to build packages from, and contributers to<br>
+&gt; submit code to.<br>
+&gt;     For obvious reasons any Qt3 version released by this project is<br>
+&gt; licensed under the GPL only; holders of Trolltech Qt licenses may not<br>
+&gt; use these versions in their proprietary projects.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_13#Qt3" target="_blank">http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_13#Qt3</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Trinity is currently packaged for Mandriva, OpenSUSE and available for<br>
+&gt; the main distros.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I am thoroughly unimpressed with this trinity stuff. Open Source<br>
+software gives people freedoms and that&#39;s good, but it doesn&#39;t stop them<br>
+making bad decisions.<br>
+<br>
+Times move on. Why take a legacy bit of software and keep on developing<br>
+it? If they *really* cared so much for the KDE3 interface they would<br>
+port it to qt4 or even qt5, not limp on with outdated base layers.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Funny you say that. I believe they tried with a pkg called qtinterface. Don&#39;t quote me, but the gist of it was that qt4 has performance issues in many areas.<br>
+<br>It&#39;s all POV... I wouldn&#39;t call kde4 the panacea of DEs either... so in a sense I agree with you in that it doesn&#39;t stop a group of ppl from making a long set of bad decisions....<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Kamil Rytarowski at 02/03/12 19:43 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On 02.03.2012 19:55, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; 02.03.2012 20:49, Kamil Rytarowski skrev:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Is possible to ship qt3-devel with Mageia? Half of the the Polish<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; community is demanding it, and because of lack of qt3-devel people can&#39;t<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; switch from other Well Known Distros to Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; NO.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As stated a million times before...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; qt3 is obsolete<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The only reason we have some qt3 runtime support is because of LSB<br>
+&gt; Sad..<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Any stuff needed should be ported to qt4.<br>
+&gt; Actually this is not true. One of our Mageia users (who introduced<br>
+&gt; Mageia on a dozen of machines) can&#39;t switch the next dozen because of<br>
+&gt; lacking Rivendell Radio Broadcasting software (<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.rivendellaudio.org/index.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.rivendellaudio.org/index.shtml</a> ), the other can&#39;t use his<br>
+&gt; favourite qt3 apps, and a few others (including RH employee) are forced<br>
+&gt; to use Fedora or KDE4.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If the &quot;obsolete&quot; part is the only reason, then it&#39;s not too strong..<br>
+&gt; the package is maintained and there is *upstream*.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As of the 3.5.13 release the Trinity project has taken over maintenance<br>
+&gt; of Qt3.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;     This means we are the new &quot;upstream&quot; location for up-to-date Qt3<br>
+&gt; source code.<br>
+&gt;     Since there have been no updates or stable releases from<br>
+&gt; Nokia/Trolltech in many years and there are literally hundreds patches<br>
+&gt; floating around, there was a significant need for a central location.<br>
+&gt;     By maintaining Qt3 it will allow us to continue to improve Qt3<br>
+&gt; outside the scope of Trinity. It will also provide a central location<br>
+&gt; for Linux distributions to build packages from, and contributers to<br>
+&gt; submit code to.<br>
+&gt;     For obvious reasons any Qt3 version released by this project is<br>
+&gt; licensed under the GPL only; holders of Trolltech Qt licenses may not<br>
+&gt; use these versions in their proprietary projects.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_13#Qt3" target="_blank">http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_13#Qt3</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Trinity is currently packaged for Mandriva, OpenSUSE and available for<br>
+&gt; the main distros.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I am thoroughly unimpressed with this trinity stuff. Open Source<br>
+software gives people freedoms and that&#39;s good, but it doesn&#39;t stop them<br>
+making bad decisions.<br>
+<br>
+Times move on. Why take a legacy bit of software and keep on developing<br>
+it? If they *really* cared so much for the KDE3 interface they would<br>
+port it to qt4 or even qt5, not limp on with outdated base layers.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Funny you say that. I believe they tried with a pkg called qtinterface. Don&#39;t quote me, but the gist of it was that qt4 has performance issues in many areas.<br>
+<br>It&#39;s all POV... I wouldn&#39;t call kde4 the panacea of DEs either... so in a sense I agree with you in that it doesn&#39;t stop a group of ppl from making a long set of bad decisions....<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<p><br>
+Le 10 mars 2012 17:40, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; We&#39;ve used the kernel command line &quot;splash=silent&quot; in the past (as<br>
+&gt; opposed to &quot;splash=verbose&quot;) to indicate that we want a splash screen.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Most of the upstream projects just check for &quot;splash&quot; on it&#39;s own. The<br>
+&gt; absence of the word &quot;splash&quot; means the same as our current &quot;splash=verbose&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In order to make this work properly we have to patch both upstream<br>
+&gt; systemd, initscripts, dracut and plymouth.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As far as I can tell, there is no gain in doing this so I&#39;m intending to<br>
+&gt; convert our usage to the upstream defaults. If anyone objects, please<br>
+&gt; speak out now!!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As a separate issue, kernel debug output is controlled by the &quot;quiet&quot;<br>
+&gt; keyword. We don&#39;t use this (haven&#39;t since 2003) but personally I believe<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s time to include this. It gives a much smoother and more user<br>
+&gt; friendly boot.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So again, unless anyone objects, I&#39;ll update the tools to set these two<br>
+&gt; keywords together when we boot. (I thought that there used to be a GUI<br>
+&gt; tool to choose the theme here and whether it was verbose or silent... I<br>
+&gt; can&#39;t seem to see it - what am I missing?)<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Unless it&#39;s all done tonight please wait after beta 2<br></p>
+<p>&gt; Col<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Colin Guthrie<br>
+&gt; colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Day Job:<br>
+&gt;  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+&gt; Open Source:<br>
+&gt;  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+&gt;  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+&gt;  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</p>
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+Le 10 mars 2012 17:40, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; We&#39;ve used the kernel command line &quot;splash=silent&quot; in the past (as<br>
+&gt; opposed to &quot;splash=verbose&quot;) to indicate that we want a splash screen.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Most of the upstream projects just check for &quot;splash&quot; on it&#39;s own. The<br>
+&gt; absence of the word &quot;splash&quot; means the same as our current &quot;splash=verbose&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In order to make this work properly we have to patch both upstream<br>
+&gt; systemd, initscripts, dracut and plymouth.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As far as I can tell, there is no gain in doing this so I&#39;m intending to<br>
+&gt; convert our usage to the upstream defaults. If anyone objects, please<br>
+&gt; speak out now!!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As a separate issue, kernel debug output is controlled by the &quot;quiet&quot;<br>
+&gt; keyword. We don&#39;t use this (haven&#39;t since 2003) but personally I believe<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s time to include this. It gives a much smoother and more user<br>
+&gt; friendly boot.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So again, unless anyone objects, I&#39;ll update the tools to set these two<br>
+&gt; keywords together when we boot. (I thought that there used to be a GUI<br>
+&gt; tool to choose the theme here and whether it was verbose or silent... I<br>
+&gt; can&#39;t seem to see it - what am I missing?)<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Unless it&#39;s all done tonight please wait after beta 2<br></p>
+<p>&gt; Col<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Colin Guthrie<br>
+&gt; colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Day Job:<br>
+&gt;  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+&gt; Open Source:<br>
+&gt;  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+&gt;  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+&gt;  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/11 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/3/11 Anne Nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; About that specific point we had in Mandria a mail sent automatically<br>
+&gt; when new strings were added. It has avoided lot of such problems<br>
+</div>The question is: sent to whom? I don&#39;t remember getting automatic<br>
+messages like that in my days in Mdv i18n.<br>
+It was mostly Thierry to be honest, who told us about changed strings on the ml.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>There was short period when mailing additions or changes to Mandriva i18 list really functioned - but yeah, it was short period...</div><div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div>
+<br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/11 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/3/11 Anne Nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; About that specific point we had in Mandria a mail sent automatically<br>
+&gt; when new strings were added. It has avoided lot of such problems<br>
+</div>The question is: sent to whom? I don&#39;t remember getting automatic<br>
+messages like that in my days in Mdv i18n.<br>
+It was mostly Thierry to be honest, who told us about changed strings on the ml.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>There was short period when mailing additions or changes to Mandriva i18 list really functioned - but yeah, it was short period...</div><div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div>
+<br></div>
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+<p><br>
+On Mar 11, 2012 12:38 PM, &quot;Oliver Burger&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/11 Sander Lepik &lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; It&#39;s a new package. How much harm can it do? I would understand this<br>
+&gt; &gt; rejection if we would have backports enabled. But we don&#39;t. Some point<br>
+&gt; &gt; release can cause more trouble than this package. This is getting<br>
+&gt; &gt; ridiculous.<br>
+&gt; I have to agree with Sander here. In the meeting someone asked if<br>
+&gt; submitting new packages would still be able and the answer was<br>
+&gt; something like<br>
+&gt; &quot;Yes, but we would prefer you to focus on fixing bugs&quot;.<br>
+&gt; Of course focusing on fixing bugs is a good thing, but we are still<br>
+&gt; almost two months before release and the fact that we don&#39;t have<br>
+&gt; backports (and probably never will :/ ) is a big problem.</p>
+<p>As far as I know only packages with different version are rejected by your I, not new ones.<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+On Mar 11, 2012 12:38 PM, &quot;Oliver Burger&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/11 Sander Lepik &lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; It&#39;s a new package. How much harm can it do? I would understand this<br>
+&gt; &gt; rejection if we would have backports enabled. But we don&#39;t. Some point<br>
+&gt; &gt; release can cause more trouble than this package. This is getting<br>
+&gt; &gt; ridiculous.<br>
+&gt; I have to agree with Sander here. In the meeting someone asked if<br>
+&gt; submitting new packages would still be able and the answer was<br>
+&gt; something like<br>
+&gt; &quot;Yes, but we would prefer you to focus on fixing bugs&quot;.<br>
+&gt; Of course focusing on fixing bugs is a good thing, but we are still<br>
+&gt; almost two months before release and the fact that we don&#39;t have<br>
+&gt; backports (and probably never will :/ ) is a big problem.</p>
+<p>As far as I know only packages with different version are rejected by your I, not new ones.<br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/12 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please push: drakx-installer-binaries, drakx-net &amp; drakxtools.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>submitted. In progress</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+then once drakx-installer-binaries &amp; drakx-net are uploaded and in<br>
+hdlists, please upload drakx-installer-images &amp; drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+<br>
+drakxtools:<br>
+- fix mgaapplet crashing on live migration when there&#39;s a new major version of<br>
+  perl (mga#3042)<br>
+- reduce resident memory of net_applet (5Mb aka 11%) &amp; mgapplet (7Mb aka 14%)<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-binaries:<br>
+- do not try to load obsolete sqlzma &amp; squashfs_lzma kernel modules<br>
+- recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd &amp; renesas-usbhs<br>
+  USB host drivers (mga#4905)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-net:<br>
+- adapt to drakxtools-13.92+ API change<br>
+  (reduces net_applet resident memory)<br>
+- drakfirewall: list SSL flavor of POP3/IMAP/SMTP ports<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-images:<br>
+- include more USB host controller modules (mga#4905)<br>
+(DEPENDS on d-i-binaries)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-stage2:<br>
+- recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd &amp; renesas-usbhs<br>
+  USB host drivers (mga#4905)<br>
+- use lxdm for LXDE<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+(DEPENDS on drakx-net &amp; d-i-binaries)<br>
+<br>
+See you<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/12 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please push: drakx-installer-binaries, drakx-net &amp; drakxtools.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>submitted. In progress</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+then once drakx-installer-binaries &amp; drakx-net are uploaded and in<br>
+hdlists, please upload drakx-installer-images &amp; drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+<br>
+drakxtools:<br>
+- fix mgaapplet crashing on live migration when there&#39;s a new major version of<br>
+  perl (mga#3042)<br>
+- reduce resident memory of net_applet (5Mb aka 11%) &amp; mgapplet (7Mb aka 14%)<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-binaries:<br>
+- do not try to load obsolete sqlzma &amp; squashfs_lzma kernel modules<br>
+- recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd &amp; renesas-usbhs<br>
+  USB host drivers (mga#4905)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-net:<br>
+- adapt to drakxtools-13.92+ API change<br>
+  (reduces net_applet resident memory)<br>
+- drakfirewall: list SSL flavor of POP3/IMAP/SMTP ports<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-images:<br>
+- include more USB host controller modules (mga#4905)<br>
+(DEPENDS on d-i-binaries)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-stage2:<br>
+- recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd &amp; renesas-usbhs<br>
+  USB host drivers (mga#4905)<br>
+- use lxdm for LXDE<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+(DEPENDS on drakx-net &amp; d-i-binaries)<br>
+<br>
+See you<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/12 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 05:39:30PM +0800, Funda Wang wrote:<br>
+&gt; I would say yes, we have 0.11.0, and 0.11.1 fixed a security problem.<br>
+&gt; We should get it in.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Funda committed the changes. Please submit. Note that the NEWS file<br>
+mentions some configure option, but that isn&#39;t needed actually.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div>Pushed </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/12 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 05:39:30PM +0800, Funda Wang wrote:<br>
+&gt; I would say yes, we have 0.11.0, and 0.11.1 fixed a security problem.<br>
+&gt; We should get it in.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Funda committed the changes. Please submit. Note that the NEWS file<br>
+mentions some configure option, but that isn&#39;t needed actually.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div>Pushed </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div><div>After all discussions about pulseaudio that happened on IRC and on this mailing-list, we had to take a decision about submitting or not this new version. Version freeze is a MUST to follow to be able to release stable. We know it&#39;s hard to stop updating software and focus on bug fixing while development of these softwares do not stop upstream.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Anyway Colin gave some details about the reasons why we should submit it. There was discussion during council meeting tonight and finally here is the plan: pulseaudio is submitted tonight, it will be included in beta2 and it will be tested until 26/03. Colin will provide documentation to help tests. If we see regression in between, then it will be reverted.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div><div>After all discussions about pulseaudio that happened on IRC and on this mailing-list, we had to take a decision about submitting or not this new version. Version freeze is a MUST to follow to be able to release stable. We know it&#39;s hard to stop updating software and focus on bug fixing while development of these softwares do not stop upstream.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Anyway Colin gave some details about the reasons why we should submit it. There was discussion during council meeting tonight and finally here is the plan: pulseaudio is submitted tonight, it will be included in beta2 and it will be tested until 26/03. Colin will provide documentation to help tests. If we see regression in between, then it will be reverted.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/12 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2012/3/12 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please push: drakx-installer-binaries, drakx-net &amp; drakxtools.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>submitted. In progress</div><div><div class="h5"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<br>
+then once drakx-installer-binaries &amp; drakx-net are uploaded and in<br>
+hdlists, please upload drakx-installer-images &amp; drakx-installer-stage2<br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>submitted</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+drakxtools:<br>
+- fix mgaapplet crashing on live migration when there&#39;s a new major version of<br>
+  perl (mga#3042)<br>
+- reduce resident memory of net_applet (5Mb aka 11%) &amp; mgapplet (7Mb aka 14%)<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-binaries:<br>
+- do not try to load obsolete sqlzma &amp; squashfs_lzma kernel modules<br>
+- recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd &amp; renesas-usbhs<br>
+  USB host drivers (mga#4905)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-net:<br>
+- adapt to drakxtools-13.92+ API change<br>
+  (reduces net_applet resident memory)<br>
+- drakfirewall: list SSL flavor of POP3/IMAP/SMTP ports<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-images:<br>
+- include more USB host controller modules (mga#4905)<br>
+(DEPENDS on d-i-binaries)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-stage2:<br>
+- recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd &amp; renesas-usbhs<br>
+  USB host drivers (mga#4905)<br>
+- use lxdm for LXDE<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+(DEPENDS on drakx-net &amp; d-i-binaries)<br>
+<br>
+See you<br>
+</blockquote></div></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/12 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2012/3/12 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please push: drakx-installer-binaries, drakx-net &amp; drakxtools.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>submitted. In progress</div><div><div class="h5"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<br>
+then once drakx-installer-binaries &amp; drakx-net are uploaded and in<br>
+hdlists, please upload drakx-installer-images &amp; drakx-installer-stage2<br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>submitted</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+drakxtools:<br>
+- fix mgaapplet crashing on live migration when there&#39;s a new major version of<br>
+  perl (mga#3042)<br>
+- reduce resident memory of net_applet (5Mb aka 11%) &amp; mgapplet (7Mb aka 14%)<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-binaries:<br>
+- do not try to load obsolete sqlzma &amp; squashfs_lzma kernel modules<br>
+- recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd &amp; renesas-usbhs<br>
+  USB host drivers (mga#4905)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-net:<br>
+- adapt to drakxtools-13.92+ API change<br>
+  (reduces net_applet resident memory)<br>
+- drakfirewall: list SSL flavor of POP3/IMAP/SMTP ports<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-images:<br>
+- include more USB host controller modules (mga#4905)<br>
+(DEPENDS on d-i-binaries)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-stage2:<br>
+- recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd &amp; renesas-usbhs<br>
+  USB host drivers (mga#4905)<br>
+- use lxdm for LXDE<br>
+- updated translations<br>
+(DEPENDS on drakx-net &amp; d-i-binaries)<br>
+<br>
+See you<br>
+</blockquote></div></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/13 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The new release fixes a security issue:<br>
+<a href="http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20120312.txt" target="_blank">http://www.openssl.org/news/<u></u>secadv_20120312.txt</a><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div>
+<div>pushed </div><div> </div></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/13 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The new release fixes a security issue:<br>
+<a href="http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20120312.txt" target="_blank">http://www.openssl.org/news/<u></u>secadv_20120312.txt</a><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div>
+<div>pushed </div><div> </div></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/13 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+please push drakx-installer-images &amp; drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+the first one so that we include all HID drivers in stage1 (mga#4905)<br>
+and the second so that the stage2 recognize them all (mga#4905)<br>
+<br>
+See you<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Pushed </div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120313/f2456285/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120313/f2456285/attachment.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/13 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+please push drakx-installer-images &amp; drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+the first one so that we include all HID drivers in stage1 (mga#4905)<br>
+and the second so that the stage2 recognize them all (mga#4905)<br>
+<br>
+See you<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Pushed </div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+diff --git a/perl-install/install/NEWS b/perl-install/install/NEWS
+index 08d0308..2ebe85d 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/NEWS
++++ b/perl-install/install/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- use new installer help
++
+ Version 13.93 - 12 March 2012
+ 
+ - recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd & renesas-usbhs
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/share/list.xml b/perl-install/install/share/list.xml
+index 27378a0..8311422 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/share/list.xml
++++ b/perl-install/install/share/list.xml
+@@ -191,6 +191,9 @@
+   /usr/lib/libDrakX/Xconfig
+   /usr/lib/libDrakX/auto/xf86misc
+   /usr/lib/libDrakX/xf86misc
++  <mode copy="keep-links">
++     /usr/share/doc/installer-help/
++  </mode>
+   /usr/share/libDrakX/pixmaps
+   <mode copy="keep-links">
+   <!--     /usr/share/doc/installer-help/ -->
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+diff --git a/perl-install/install/NEWS b/perl-install/install/NEWS
+index 08d0308..2ebe85d 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/NEWS
++++ b/perl-install/install/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- use new installer help
++
+ Version 13.93 - 12 March 2012
+ 
+ - recognize c67x00, imx21-hcd, fhci, isp1362-hcd, oxu210hp-hcd & renesas-usbhs
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/share/list.xml b/perl-install/install/share/list.xml
+index 27378a0..8311422 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/share/list.xml
++++ b/perl-install/install/share/list.xml
+@@ -191,6 +191,9 @@
+   /usr/lib/libDrakX/Xconfig
+   /usr/lib/libDrakX/auto/xf86misc
+   /usr/lib/libDrakX/xf86misc
++  <mode copy="keep-links">
++     /usr/share/doc/installer-help/
++  </mode>
+   /usr/share/libDrakX/pixmaps
+   <mode copy="keep-links">
+   <!--     /usr/share/doc/installer-help/ -->
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/13 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+please push microcode.<br>
+it contains updated microcodes which fix erratas on Intel &amp; AMD CPUs<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>pushed<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/13 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+please push microcode.<br>
+it contains updated microcodes which fix erratas on Intel &amp; AMD CPUs<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>pushed<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120314/1192bc1d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120314/1192bc1d/attachment-0001.html
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>No meeting tonight as beta 2 is still in progress and people busy with it. AS usual you can ask any question on ML or IRC</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>No meeting tonight as beta 2 is still in progress and people busy with it. AS usual you can ask any question on ML or IRC</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 14 March 2012 13:40,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 3455 Author ennael Date 2012-03-14 13:40:46 +0100 (Wed, 14 Mar<br>
+&gt; 2012)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; update changelog<br>
+<br>
+</div>As you can see in the commit diff, svn2cl is buggy, has been buggy for years,<br>
+and repeat some entries (I looked at it some years ago, I think it was due to<br>
+different TZ between client &amp; server)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Maybe should we just write important stuff in a NEWS file and just use svn log<br>
+for the full log.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yep that would also help to have same kind of process for all mageia specific soft</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+If you fear a server crash, you can use git svn and you&#39;ve a full compact<br>
+local backup<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 14 March 2012 13:40,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 3455 Author ennael Date 2012-03-14 13:40:46 +0100 (Wed, 14 Mar<br>
+&gt; 2012)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; update changelog<br>
+<br>
+</div>As you can see in the commit diff, svn2cl is buggy, has been buggy for years,<br>
+and repeat some entries (I looked at it some years ago, I think it was due to<br>
+different TZ between client &amp; server)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Maybe should we just write important stuff in a NEWS file and just use svn log<br>
+for the full log.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yep that would also help to have same kind of process for all mageia specific soft</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+If you fear a server crash, you can use git svn and you&#39;ve a full compact<br>
+local backup<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+[From nobody Wed Mar 14 22:24:43 2012
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+Hi everyone,
+
+GTK 3.3.18 and smooth scrolling landing created quite some issues which 
+seems to have been mostly unnoticed, unaddressed so far, since the hard 
+freeze for GNOME 3.4 is next week I'm bringing the topic there.
+
+Some of the details there might be wrong and I'm happy to be corrected, 
+it's just my understanding of the changes
+
+* widgets need to opt-in for scroll events (GDK_SCROLL_MASK), that makes 
+scrolling stop working in applications using custom widgets
+(example: 
+http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=04116ab2876412445c788091be07d7f7321a4a94)
+
+* if you are on xserver 1.12 with xinput 2.2 your application stop 
+receiving GDK_SCROLL_DOWN and GDK_SCROLL_UP events, but receive 
+GDK_SCROLL_SMOOTH with an increment instead
+
+that change seems to create quite some issue, it breaks for example 
+mouse wheel scrolling over sound sliders in the control center, or 
+scrolling in nautilus compact view
+
+Grepping around in my work tree I see there are quite a lot of GNOME 
+components using GDK_SCROLL_UP,DOWN, I guess those will stop working as 
+they should.
+Nautilus fixed a such issue in 
+http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=1a76e044a2c9b834d00c4ea30f1e3af3321d8cdd
+It's likely that other applications will need to add extra cases to 
+handle the new way
+
+I think that's an issue we should look at addressing before 3.4, either 
+by doing some &quot;compat&quot; work in GTK (i.e keep emiting the scroll up down 
+events as well as the smooth ones if possible) or by patching the 
+applications, the rdepends list is likely not trivial though...
+
+Thoughts?
+
+--
+Sebastien Bacher
+_______________________________________________
+desktop-devel-list mailing list
+desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
+http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
+]
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+[From nobody Wed Mar 14 19:37:19 2012
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+Hi everyone,
+
+GTK 3.3.18 and smooth scrolling landing created quite some issues which 
+seems to have been mostly unnoticed, unaddressed so far, since the hard 
+freeze for GNOME 3.4 is next week I'm bringing the topic there.
+
+Some of the details there might be wrong and I'm happy to be corrected, 
+it's just my understanding of the changes
+
+* widgets need to opt-in for scroll events (GDK_SCROLL_MASK), that makes 
+scrolling stop working in applications using custom widgets
+(example: 
+http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=04116ab2876412445c788091be07d7f7321a4a94)
+
+* if you are on xserver 1.12 with xinput 2.2 your application stop 
+receiving GDK_SCROLL_DOWN and GDK_SCROLL_UP events, but receive 
+GDK_SCROLL_SMOOTH with an increment instead
+
+that change seems to create quite some issue, it breaks for example 
+mouse wheel scrolling over sound sliders in the control center, or 
+scrolling in nautilus compact view
+
+Grepping around in my work tree I see there are quite a lot of GNOME 
+components using GDK_SCROLL_UP,DOWN, I guess those will stop working as 
+they should.
+Nautilus fixed a such issue in 
+http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=1a76e044a2c9b834d00c4ea30f1e3af3321d8cdd
+It's likely that other applications will need to add extra cases to 
+handle the new way
+
+I think that's an issue we should look at addressing before 3.4, either 
+by doing some &quot;compat&quot; work in GTK (i.e keep emiting the scroll up down 
+events as well as the smooth ones if possible) or by patching the 
+applications, the rdepends list is likely not trivial though...
+
+Thoughts?
+
+--
+Sebastien Bacher
+_______________________________________________
+desktop-devel-list mailing list
+desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
+http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
+]
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 14 March 2012 16:32,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; add html file, images and css<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Added Paths<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/css/<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/css/all.css<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/images/<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/images/favicon.png<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/images/logo_ln_1.png<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/index.html<br>
+<br>
+</div>Just for curiosity, why CSS &amp; images are not at the same level as index.html?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Maybe not the best thing to do but I wanted to avoid to overcrowd first level or directories in tree</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/14 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 14 March 2012 16:32,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; add html file, images and css<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Added Paths<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/css/<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/css/all.css<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/images/<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/images/favicon.png<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/doc/images/logo_ln_1.png<br>
+&gt; mageia-doc-media/index.html<br>
+<br>
+</div>Just for curiosity, why CSS &amp; images are not at the same level as index.html?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Maybe not the best thing to do but I wanted to avoid to overcrowd first level or directories in tree</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hi!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Please push mgaonline.<br /> 
+<pre class="vc_log"> 
+- new tarball 2.77.32 
+* stop using Mandriva URLs and replace them by www.mageia.org (mga#1590) 
+* replace Mandriva strings by Mageia in gnome-mandrakeonline.desktop 
+* replace MIME Type application/x-mdv-exec by application/x-mga-exec 
+* extend $MGA_YEARS in mgaupdate to 2012 
+* delete MANDRIVA_VERSION variable as not used 
+- replace obsolete drakx-newt with drakxtools-curses 
+- stop using MANDRIVA_VERSION in %install 
+- rename mandriva-mgaonline.desktop with mageia-mgaonline.desktop 
+- clean Categories in the .desktop file (remove X-Mandriva-* entry) 
+- remove %update_desktop_database and %clean_desktop_database (not used anymore) 
+- remove %update_mime_database and %clean_mime_database (not used anymore) 
+- clean .spec 
+</pre> 
+</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hi!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Please push mgaonline.<br /> 
+<pre class="vc_log"> 
+- new tarball 2.77.32 
+* stop using Mandriva URLs and replace them by www.mageia.org (mga#1590) 
+* replace Mandriva strings by Mageia in gnome-mandrakeonline.desktop 
+* replace MIME Type application/x-mdv-exec by application/x-mga-exec 
+* extend $MGA_YEARS in mgaupdate to 2012 
+* delete MANDRIVA_VERSION variable as not used 
+- replace obsolete drakx-newt with drakxtools-curses 
+- stop using MANDRIVA_VERSION in %install 
+- rename mandriva-mgaonline.desktop with mageia-mgaonline.desktop 
+- clean Categories in the .desktop file (remove X-Mandriva-* entry) 
+- remove %update_desktop_database and %clean_desktop_database (not used anymore) 
+- remove %update_mime_database and %clean_mime_database (not used anymore) 
+- clean .spec 
+</pre> 
+</span></span>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">It updates to 2.2.2, and adds S3 to fix bug 4936<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">It updates to 2.2.2, and adds S3 to fix bug 4936<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></body></html>

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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>Beta 2 is available now  for tests. Here is the announcement: <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/15/mageia-2-beta-2-near-the-goal/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/15/mageia-2-beta-2-near-the-goal/</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>This is the last beta for Mageia 2 and before RC. We need your tests and reports more than ever!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again all for the hard work</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>Beta 2 is available now  for tests. Here is the announcement: <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/15/mageia-2-beta-2-near-the-goal/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/15/mageia-2-beta-2-near-the-goal/</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>This is the last beta for Mageia 2 and before RC. We need your tests and reports more than ever!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again all for the hard work</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>As said during last council meeting, we need to renew packagers representatives and so organize election for coming year. After nearly 1 year working with 2 representatives, I can say personnally that having 3 people in charge would be great as todo list is quite huge. </div>
+<div><br></div><div>So here is the planning for this election:</div><div><br></div><div>- apply on mageia-dev explaining why you would like to be elected, what are your motivations =&gt; until our next meeting, 21/03</div>
+<div>- launch vote using epoll from 22 to 25/03</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!<br clear="all"><div>
+<br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>As said during last council meeting, we need to renew packagers representatives and so organize election for coming year. After nearly 1 year working with 2 representatives, I can say personnally that having 3 people in charge would be great as todo list is quite huge. </div>
+<div><br></div><div>So here is the planning for this election:</div><div><br></div><div>- apply on mageia-dev explaining why you would like to be elected, what are your motivations =&gt; until our next meeting, 21/03</div>
+<div>- launch vote using epoll from 22 to 25/03</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!<br clear="all"><div>
+<br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+ERROR: conflicting file /usr/bin/plex (pkgs: php-pear-PHP_LexerGenerator-0.4.0-2.mga2.noarch, fpc-2.4.0-2.mga1.i586)
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Ping...<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;dlucio@okay.com.mx&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Enviado: </b>jue, mar 15, 2012 20:33:46 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>[Mageia-dev] Please push openvpn<br><br></div><div><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style><div><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">It updates to 2.2.2, and adds S3 to fix bug 4936<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></div>

+</div></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Ping...<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;dlucio@okay.com.mx&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Enviado: </b>jue, mar 15, 2012 20:33:46 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>[Mageia-dev] Please push openvpn<br><br></div><div><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style><div><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">It updates to 2.2.2, and adds S3 to fix bug 4936<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></div>

+</div></blockquote></body></html>

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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ping?<br></blockquote><div>Submitted </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+2012/3/17 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">&gt; another ping?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/14 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; ping?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/3/13 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Could somebody push kdevplatform4, kdevelop4, kdevelop4-php,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; kdevelop4-php-docs into cauldron. We are aiming at 4.3.0 final for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; mga2, and it got out now. You should push kdevplatform4 at first, wait<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; it finished, then push other packages.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ping?<br></blockquote><div>Submitted </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+2012/3/17 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">&gt; another ping?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/14 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; ping?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/3/13 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Could somebody push kdevplatform4, kdevelop4, kdevelop4-php,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; kdevelop4-php-docs into cauldron. We are aiming at 4.3.0 final for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; mga2, and it got out now. You should push kdevplatform4 at first, wait<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; it finished, then push other packages.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Sorry, I forgot to commit the local changes, please try again.<br></blockquote><div>Submitted in core and  tainted</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+2012/3/19 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/19 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; ping?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120319121544.ennael.valstar.23280/" target="_blank">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120319121544.ennael.valstar.23280/</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/3/17 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Could somebody push ffmpeg 0.10.2 into core and tainted? It fixed a<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; lot of bugs and crashed in almost all the codecs, and a potential<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; security overflow in libswscale.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Thanks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Sorry, I forgot to commit the local changes, please try again.<br></blockquote><div>Submitted in core and  tainted</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+2012/3/19 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/19 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; ping?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120319121544.ennael.valstar.23280/" target="_blank">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120319121544.ennael.valstar.23280/</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/3/17 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Could somebody push ffmpeg 0.10.2 into core and tainted? It fixed a<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; lot of bugs and crashed in almost all the codecs, and a potential<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; security overflow in libswscale.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Thanks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in perl_checker which has been updated for better tracking<br>
+issues within the installer<br>
+<br>
+See you<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Submitted </div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in perl_checker which has been updated for better tracking<br>
+issues within the installer<br>
+<br>
+See you<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Submitted </div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+Subject: gdm pam changes
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+Hey guys,
+
+GDM no longer hardcodes consolekit registration logic in it anymore.
+For distributions that use consolekit, it now depends on
+pam_ck_connector for that registration in just the same way
+distributions that use pam_systemd do for systemd integration.
+
+The fix is fairly straight forward, in each of gdm's pam files (or
+files included by gdm's pam files, such as system-auth), put
+
+-session optional pam_ck_connector.so
+
+This can go in the same place as the systemd line for distros trying
+to support both at the same time.
+
+--Ray
+_______________________________________________
+distributor-list mailing list
+distributor-list@gnome.org
+http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/distributor-list
+]
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+Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:21:44 -0400
+Message-ID: &lt;CAA_UwzKaax69tDkoi+89Dix9DMoPX4348VQOyr82C++koQ3UvA@mail.gmail.com&gt;
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+Hey guys,
+
+GDM no longer hardcodes consolekit registration logic in it anymore.
+For distributions that use consolekit, it now depends on
+pam_ck_connector for that registration in just the same way
+distributions that use pam_systemd do for systemd integration.
+
+The fix is fairly straight forward, in each of gdm's pam files (or
+files included by gdm's pam files, such as system-auth), put
+
+-session optional pam_ck_connector.so
+
+This can go in the same place as the systemd line for distros trying
+to support both at the same time.
+
+--Ray
+_______________________________________________
+distributor-list mailing list
+distributor-list@gnome.org
+http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/distributor-list
+]
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120319/9b16278f/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120319/9b16278f/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Blocker for Mageia 2.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can you handle this ?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span><br><br>---------- Message transféré ----------<br>From: Ray Strode &lt;<a href="mailto:halfline@gmail.com">halfline@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href="mailto:distributor-list@gnome.org">distributor-list@gnome.org</a><br>
+Cc: <br>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:21:44 -0400<br>Subject: gdm pam changes<br>Hey guys,<br>
+<br>
+GDM no longer hardcodes consolekit registration logic in it anymore.<br>
+For distributions that use consolekit, it now depends on<br>
+pam_ck_connector for that registration in just the same way<br>
+distributions that use pam_systemd do for systemd integration.<br>
+<br>
+The fix is fairly straight forward, in each of gdm&#39;s pam files (or<br>
+files included by gdm&#39;s pam files, such as system-auth), put<br>
+<br>
+-session optional pam_ck_connector.so<br>
+<br>
+This can go in the same place as the systemd line for distros trying<br>
+to support both at the same time.<br>
+<br>
+--Ray<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+distributor-list mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:distributor-list@gnome.org">distributor-list@gnome.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/distributor-list" target="_blank">http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/distributor-list</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Blocker for Mageia 2.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can you handle this ?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span><br><br>---------- Message transféré ----------<br>From: Ray Strode &lt;<a href="mailto:halfline@gmail.com">halfline@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href="mailto:distributor-list@gnome.org">distributor-list@gnome.org</a><br>
+Cc: <br>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:21:44 -0400<br>Subject: gdm pam changes<br>Hey guys,<br>
+<br>
+GDM no longer hardcodes consolekit registration logic in it anymore.<br>
+For distributions that use consolekit, it now depends on<br>
+pam_ck_connector for that registration in just the same way<br>
+distributions that use pam_systemd do for systemd integration.<br>
+<br>
+The fix is fairly straight forward, in each of gdm&#39;s pam files (or<br>
+files included by gdm&#39;s pam files, such as system-auth), put<br>
+<br>
+-session optional pam_ck_connector.so<br>
+<br>
+This can go in the same place as the systemd line for distros trying<br>
+to support both at the same time.<br>
+<br>
+--Ray<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+distributor-list mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:distributor-list@gnome.org">distributor-list@gnome.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/distributor-list" target="_blank">http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/distributor-list</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/22 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 01:13:44PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:<br>
+&gt; To recap, I need to put the following files in some package:<br>
+&gt; - /usr/share/gnome-background-properties/mageia.xml<br>
+&gt;   =&gt; mageia-theme-Default ? who owns the directory then?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Planning to ignore the directory ownership.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; - <a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011.svg" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011.svg</a><br>
+&gt;   =&gt; mageia-theme-Default or desktop-common-data ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Planning to put that in mageia-theme-Default.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; - /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/mageia-theme-Default.override<br>
+&gt;   =&gt; mageia-theme-Default and depend on glib2.0-common?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Planning to make mageia-theme-Default depend on glib2.0-common.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; - (and patch gnome-control-center)<br>
+&gt;   =&gt; not sure if I can :P<br>
+<br>
+</div>My C is limited to copy/paste skills, so this might take a while.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+As I received no response, I assume proceeding is fine?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>GNOME users and/or packagers could you please give some inputs here ? Deadline is now approaching and we need to test.<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/22 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 01:13:44PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:<br>
+&gt; To recap, I need to put the following files in some package:<br>
+&gt; - /usr/share/gnome-background-properties/mageia.xml<br>
+&gt;   =&gt; mageia-theme-Default ? who owns the directory then?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Planning to ignore the directory ownership.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; - <a href="http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011.svg" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/g/media/logo/mageia-2011.svg</a><br>
+&gt;   =&gt; mageia-theme-Default or desktop-common-data ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Planning to put that in mageia-theme-Default.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; - /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/mageia-theme-Default.override<br>
+&gt;   =&gt; mageia-theme-Default and depend on glib2.0-common?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Planning to make mageia-theme-Default depend on glib2.0-common.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; - (and patch gnome-control-center)<br>
+&gt;   =&gt; not sure if I can :P<br>
+<br>
+</div>My C is limited to copy/paste skills, so this might take a while.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+As I received no response, I assume proceeding is fine?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>GNOME users and/or packagers could you please give some inputs here ? Deadline is now approaching and we need to test.<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 16/03/2012 15:10, Guillaume Rousse a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+security issue:<br>
+<a href="http://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-announce/2012/000076.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.nginx.org/<u></u>pipermail/nginx-announce/2012/<u></u>000076.html</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+Ping?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div>Submitted </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #148:<br>
+<br>
+Insert coin for new game<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 16/03/2012 15:10, Guillaume Rousse a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+security issue:<br>
+<a href="http://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-announce/2012/000076.html" target="_blank">http://mailman.nginx.org/<u></u>pipermail/nginx-announce/2012/<u></u>000076.html</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+Ping?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div>Submitted </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #148:<br>
+<br>
+Insert coin for new game<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ping?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div> <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120319121544.ennael.valstar.23280/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120319121544.ennael.valstar.23280/</a></div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+2012/3/17 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Could somebody push ffmpeg 0.10.2 into core and tainted? It fixed a<br>
+&gt; lot of bugs and crashed in almost all the codecs, and a potential<br>
+&gt; security overflow in libswscale.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ping?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div> <a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120319121544.ennael.valstar.23280/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120319121544.ennael.valstar.23280/</a></div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+2012/3/17 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Could somebody push ffmpeg 0.10.2 into core and tainted? It fixed a<br>
+&gt; lot of bugs and crashed in almost all the codecs, and a potential<br>
+&gt; security overflow in libswscale.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
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+    <pre>&gt;<i> As oxygen is our default theme for gtk2 and gtk3, I think we should
+</i>&gt;<i> mark these two packages as important packages, and push updated
+</i>&gt;<i> version as soon as possible. Plus, the new versions fixed a nasty bug
+</i>&gt;<i> that it will crash theme selector when changing from oxygen to another
+</i>&gt;<i> theme. See: <a href="https://projects.kde.org/news/127">https://projects.kde.org/news/127</a>
+
+
+Actually, 
+oxygen-gtk2-1.2.2 is quite a disasters in terms of regressions, introduced by the attempt to fix all crashes with mga-applet, etc.
+New crashes have been added, notably with mcc, during installation of rpms. So quite bad.
+In fact, most of it have been fixed in oxygen-gtk2 master already.
+And will be added to the oxygen-gtk2-1.2.3 release. 
+This one is scheduled for April 15 or so, which might be late.
+I can make an "in-between" release for mageia if needed.
+Otherwise I'd recommand to stick to 1.2.1, since there are more things (newly) broken than fixed, with 1.2.2
+Sorry for the inconvenience :(
+
+Hugo (oxygen dev)
+
+</i></pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
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+    <pre>&gt;<i> As oxygen is our default theme for gtk2 and gtk3, I think we should
+</i>&gt;<i> mark these two packages as important packages, and push updated
+</i>&gt;<i> version as soon as possible. Plus, the new versions fixed a nasty bug
+</i>&gt;<i> that it will crash theme selector when changing from oxygen to another
+</i>&gt;<i> theme. See: <a href="https://projects.kde.org/news/127">https://projects.kde.org/news/127</a>
+
+
+Actually, 
+oxygen-gtk2-1.2.2 is quite a disasters in terms of regressions, introduced by the attempt to fix all crashes with mga-applet, etc.
+New crashes have been added, notably with mcc, during installation of rpms. So quite bad.
+In fact, most of it have been fixed in oxygen-gtk2 master already.
+And will be added to the oxygen-gtk2-1.2.3 release. 
+This one is scheduled for April 15 or so, which might be late.
+I can make an "in-between" release for mageia if needed.
+Otherwise I'd recommand to stick to 1.2.1, since there are more things (newly) broken than fixed, with 1.2.2
+Sorry for the inconvenience :(
+
+Hugo (oxygen dev)
+
+</i></pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/20 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in rpmdrake:<br>
+<br>
+- fix a rare crash when some packages are installed twice (mga#4972)<br>
+- rpmdrake:<br>
+  o only display latest updates, not all of them (mga#2258, mga#4534)<br>
+<br>
+See you<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>submitted </div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/20 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in rpmdrake:<br>
+<br>
+- fix a rare crash when some packages are installed twice (mga#4972)<br>
+- rpmdrake:<br>
+  o only display latest updates, not all of them (mga#2258, mga#4534)<br>
+<br>
+See you<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>submitted </div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>This mail to candidate again to packagers team organization, whatever the title is. I enjoyed working on it this past year and I guess we can be proud of what was accomplished during this year.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>What I can bring here:</div><div>- rather a transversal view for packager team to improve work with all teams around and get efficient process (QA, triage, artwork, sysadmin), </div><div>- help on organizing things (meetings, make people speak together to improve global way of working and increase new comers...), </div>
+<div>- manage release process (organize development steps, isos release, again transversal work)</div><div>- improve my  frenglish :p (hum may take more time than expected)</div><div><br></div><div>What I would like: have different profiles for representatives including one very technical one for highly technical discussions and decisions.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>This mail to candidate again to packagers team organization, whatever the title is. I enjoyed working on it this past year and I guess we can be proud of what was accomplished during this year.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>What I can bring here:</div><div>- rather a transversal view for packager team to improve work with all teams around and get efficient process (QA, triage, artwork, sysadmin), </div><div>- help on organizing things (meetings, make people speak together to improve global way of working and increase new comers...), </div>
+<div>- manage release process (organize development steps, isos release, again transversal work)</div><div>- improve my  frenglish :p (hum may take more time than expected)</div><div><br></div><div>What I would like: have different profiles for representatives including one very technical one for highly technical discussions and decisions.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<p>Well, it is already an empty package since 2.0.0. And I don&#39;t know why.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-3-20 下�5:01，&quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 20 March 2012 09:36, Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:<br>
+&gt;&gt; mozilla-plugin-vlc-2.0.0-2.mga2.x86_64<br>
+&gt;&gt;  (due to unsatisfied vlc == 2.0.0) (y/N)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Funda removed it here for some reason:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/vlc/current/SPECS/vlc.spec?r1=221926&amp;r2=221935" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/vlc/current/SPECS/vlc.spec?r1=221926&amp;r2=221935</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Funda, comments ?<br>
+<br>
+It should be either restored or obsoleted.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Well, it is already an empty package since 2.0.0. And I don&#39;t know why.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-3-20 下�5:01，&quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 20 March 2012 09:36, Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:<br>
+&gt;&gt; mozilla-plugin-vlc-2.0.0-2.mga2.x86_64<br>
+&gt;&gt;  (due to unsatisfied vlc == 2.0.0) (y/N)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Funda removed it here for some reason:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/vlc/current/SPECS/vlc.spec?r1=221926&amp;r2=221935" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/vlc/current/SPECS/vlc.spec?r1=221926&amp;r2=221935</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Funda, comments ?<br>
+<br>
+It should be either restored or obsoleted.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Hello,<br><br>I've update postfix in svn, from 2.8.8 to 2.9.1.&nbsp; As I was told, I place here 2 reasons I believe it shall be pushed:<br>- it supports memcached protocol, so faster postfix<br>- it has a new tolerance for backend, for example, if mysql backend fails in 2.8 postfix will refuse all emails at instant of outstage, but in 2.9 it has tolerance so it will accept emails for a while, this will give tolerance if link to backent fails and returns.<br><br><br>Please, kindly, push it<br>LD<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Hello,<br><br>I've update postfix in svn, from 2.8.8 to 2.9.1.&nbsp; As I was told, I place here 2 reasons I believe it shall be pushed:<br>- it supports memcached protocol, so faster postfix<br>- it has a new tolerance for backend, for example, if mysql backend fails in 2.8 postfix will refuse all emails at instant of outstage, but in 2.9 it has tolerance so it will accept emails for a while, this will give tolerance if link to backent fails and returns.<br><br><br>Please, kindly, push it<br>LD<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></body></html>

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+Ping as a reminder !<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/15 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there<div><br></div><div>As said during last council meeting, we need to renew packagers representatives and so organize election for coming year. After nearly 1 year working with 2 representatives, I can say personnally that having 3 people in charge would be great as todo list is quite huge. </div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>So here is the planning for this election:</div><div><br></div><div>- apply on mageia-dev explaining why you would like to be elected, what are your motivations =&gt; until our next meeting, 21/03</div>
+
+<div>- launch vote using epoll from 22 to 25/03</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div>
+<br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Ping as a reminder !<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/15 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there<div><br></div><div>As said during last council meeting, we need to renew packagers representatives and so organize election for coming year. After nearly 1 year working with 2 representatives, I can say personnally that having 3 people in charge would be great as todo list is quite huge. </div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>So here is the planning for this election:</div><div><br></div><div>- apply on mageia-dev explaining why you would like to be elected, what are your motivations =&gt; until our next meeting, 21/03</div>
+
+<div>- launch vote using epoll from 22 to 25/03</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div>
+<br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/20 Remco Rijnders <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:45:46PM +0100, Anne wrote in &lt;CACYHsMxC75CAtb+GrRrgm-<u></u>1gAvaS=<a href="mailto:gMeuj8oXwqWX9mCepGcLw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">gMeuj8oXwqWX9mCepGcLw@<u></u>mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;:<div>
+<div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As said during last council meeting, we need to renew packagers<br>
+representatives and so organize election for coming year. After nearly 1<br>
+year working with 2 representatives, I can say personnally that having 3<br>
+people in charge would be great as todo list is quite huge.<br>
+<br>
+So here is the planning for this election:<br>
+<br>
+- apply on mageia-dev explaining why you would like to be elected, what are<br>
+your motivations =&gt; until our next meeting, 21/03<br>
+- launch vote using epoll from 22 to 25/03<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+A few quick questions:<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would say the following</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+- Who is eligible to candidate themselves?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If we are logical enough, people who are now recognized by other packagers as they spent time on contributing in past year</div><div>This is not a very formal criteria but just sensitive one :)</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+- Who is eligible to vote?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would say people who do contribute on Mageia as packagers or apprentice so basically people having svn account which is quite easy to get through ldap directory</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+<br>
+Remmy<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/20 Remco Rijnders <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:45:46PM +0100, Anne wrote in &lt;CACYHsMxC75CAtb+GrRrgm-<u></u>1gAvaS=<a href="mailto:gMeuj8oXwqWX9mCepGcLw@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">gMeuj8oXwqWX9mCepGcLw@<u></u>mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;:<div>
+<div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As said during last council meeting, we need to renew packagers<br>
+representatives and so organize election for coming year. After nearly 1<br>
+year working with 2 representatives, I can say personnally that having 3<br>
+people in charge would be great as todo list is quite huge.<br>
+<br>
+So here is the planning for this election:<br>
+<br>
+- apply on mageia-dev explaining why you would like to be elected, what are<br>
+your motivations =&gt; until our next meeting, 21/03<br>
+- launch vote using epoll from 22 to 25/03<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+A few quick questions:<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would say the following</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+- Who is eligible to candidate themselves?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If we are logical enough, people who are now recognized by other packagers as they spent time on contributing in past year</div><div>This is not a very formal criteria but just sensitive one :)</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+- Who is eligible to vote?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would say people who do contribute on Mageia as packagers or apprentice so basically people having svn account which is quite easy to get through ldap directory</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+<br>
+Remmy<br>
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+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px">Hello,<br><br>I&#39;ve update postfix in svn, from 2.8.8 to 2.9.1.  As I was told, I place here 2 reasons I believe it shall be pushed:<br>- it supports memcached protocol, so faster postfix<br>
+- it has a new tolerance for backend, for example, if mysql backend fails in 2.8 postfix will refuse all emails at instant of outstage, but in 2.9 it has tolerance so it will accept emails for a while, this will give tolerance if link to backent fails and returns.<br>
+<br><br>Please, kindly, push it<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Given all this this does not seem to be a candidate for freeze push</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px">LD<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size:14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi teléfono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></div>
+
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px">Hello,<br><br>I&#39;ve update postfix in svn, from 2.8.8 to 2.9.1.  As I was told, I place here 2 reasons I believe it shall be pushed:<br>- it supports memcached protocol, so faster postfix<br>
+- it has a new tolerance for backend, for example, if mysql backend fails in 2.8 postfix will refuse all emails at instant of outstage, but in 2.9 it has tolerance so it will accept emails for a while, this will give tolerance if link to backent fails and returns.<br>
+<br><br>Please, kindly, push it<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Given all this this does not seem to be a candidate for freeze push</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px">LD<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size:14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi teléfono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></div>
+
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:47:16AM +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>
+&gt; Anne nicolas skrev 21.3.2012 10:23:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;2012/3/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;    Please see thread from earlier today on this topic.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;    If needed I can do the complicated job of cherry picking most of the<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;    patches instead if the version bump scares people :)<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;I must say I miss here some knowledge to take this decision and I&#39;d like<br>
+&gt; &gt;some other opinions on this<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reading the changes in git, I see enough fixes that I also think we<br>
+&gt; need, so I&#39;d say lets push it as it would otherwise be mostly a<br>
+&gt; systemd v44 disguised as a v43  with a lot of patches.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Agree. Only possible problem is enforcement of UTF-8 in configuration<br>
+files. I don&#39;t think that&#39;ll cause problems and even if so, easily<br>
+fixed.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>ok thanks for your comments. Colin be prepared to fix any problem :)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:47:16AM +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>
+&gt; Anne nicolas skrev 21.3.2012 10:23:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;2012/3/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;    Please see thread from earlier today on this topic.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;    If needed I can do the complicated job of cherry picking most of the<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;    patches instead if the version bump scares people :)<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;I must say I miss here some knowledge to take this decision and I&#39;d like<br>
+&gt; &gt;some other opinions on this<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reading the changes in git, I see enough fixes that I also think we<br>
+&gt; need, so I&#39;d say lets push it as it would otherwise be mostly a<br>
+&gt; systemd v44 disguised as a v43  with a lot of patches.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Agree. Only possible problem is enforcement of UTF-8 in configuration<br>
+files. I don&#39;t think that&#39;ll cause problems and even if so, easily<br>
+fixed.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>ok thanks for your comments. Colin be prepared to fix any problem :)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Jani Välimaa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/3/17 Jani Välimaa &lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Please push minitube, new version is a bugfix release. See<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube-1-7-1-bugfix-release" target="_blank">http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube-1-7-1-bugfix-release</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>ping?!<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Submitted </div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Jani Välimaa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/3/17 Jani Välimaa &lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Please push minitube, new version is a bugfix release. See<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube-1-7-1-bugfix-release" target="_blank">http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube-1-7-1-bugfix-release</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>ping?!<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Submitted </div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please see thread from earlier today on this topic.<br>
+<br>
+If needed I can do the complicated job of cherry picking most of the<br>
+patches instead if the version bump scares people :) <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I must say I miss here some knowledge to take this decision and I&#39;d like some other opinions on this</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/19 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please see thread from earlier today on this topic.<br>
+<br>
+If needed I can do the complicated job of cherry picking most of the<br>
+patches instead if the version bump scares people :) <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I must say I miss here some knowledge to take this decision and I&#39;d like some other opinions on this</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<html><head></head><body>I have a raspberry pi ordered and would be willing to help with testing.  Seems like the ARM port of Mageia has been inactive for a while?<br>
+-- <br>
+Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: sans-serif">Send Mageia-dev mailing list submissions to<br />	mageia-dev@mageia.org<br /><br />To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br />	<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br />or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br />	mageia-dev-request@mageia.org<br /><br />You can reach the person managing the list at<br />	mageia-dev-owner@mageia.org<br /><br />When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br />than "Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest..."<br /><br /><br />Today's Topics:<br /><br />   1. Re: urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host? (Barry Jackson)<br />   2. Re: urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host? (Pascal Terjan)<br />   3. Re: Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi (David Sj?lin)<br />   4. Re: urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host? (Barry Jackson)<br />   5. texl
+ ive
+missing files/apps in Mageia (simple w8)<br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 1<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:16:01 +0000<br />From: Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt;<br />To: mageia-dev@mageia.org<br />Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host?<br />Message-ID: &lt;4F69B871.4040503@zen.co.uk&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br /><br />Ping - any ideas anyone? - this is driving me nuts!<br /><br />Just confirmation that it WFM would be a help.<br /><br />This is also after a re-install of Cauldron, but my configuration is as <br />before, and the same as in 1 where it works fine.<br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 2<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:36:57 +0000<br />From: Pascal Terjan &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt;<br />To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br />Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host?<br />Message-ID:<br
+/>	&lt;CA+CX+bgObD2W4tD0tZrbZozYF-r+B7QWOkdrxXp83C+oTQDn3w@mail.gmail.com&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br /><br />On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16, Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt; wrote:<br /><br />&gt; Ping - any ideas anyone? - this is driving me nuts!<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Just confirmation that it WFM would be a help.<br />&gt;<br />&gt; This is also after a re-install of Cauldron, but my configuration is as<br />&gt; before, and the same as in 1 where it works fine.<br />&gt;<br /><br />I think this is a bug introduced by tv (always using --buildrequires when<br />calling urpmi) that I fixed in svn<br />I don't remember if I have updated the package since fixing<br />-------------- next part --------------<br />An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br />URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20120321/ae0396d9/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 3<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:58:13 +0100<br />From: David Sj?lin
+&lt;david.sjolin@gmail.com&gt;<br />To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br />Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi<br />Message-ID:<br />	&lt;CAOHCieAwyhihRpoLb6z-161-HiJddp_BWX0zMTApMofgybKqaw@mail.gmail.com&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br /><br />Hello!<br /><br />Supposedly, ArchLinux and Debian also works on Raspberry Pi, but I<br />agree. It would be nice to get Mageia to work there.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />David<br /><br /><br />On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Daniel Tartavel &lt;contact@librepc.com&gt; wrote:<br />&gt; Le mardi 13 mars 2012, Colin Guthrie a ?crit :<br />&gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Armando B. at 13/03/12 15:07 did gyre and gimble:<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi all,<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; in this days i'm interesting to this new hardware Raspberry Pi<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.raspberrypi.org">http://www.raspberrypi.org</a>/<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; it's based on ARM arch and have g
+ reat
+performance on video, on website<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; there is also a video with XBMC that play an H264 stream 1080p 30fps.<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; It support OpenGL ES2.0 and OpenVG, have 2 usb port, 1 lan, 1 audio<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; out, 1 hdmi out, 1 rca video.<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; Price: ~27 euro :)<br />&gt;&gt; &gt;<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; For now there is only one distribution supported/sponsored, Fedora 14 remix.<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; Could be an opportunity for Mageia visibility, first 10000 pieces were<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; sold in only 2 hours, could be 10000 new Mageia users :)<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt; One of these is certainly on my shopping list and I'd very much like to<br />&gt;&gt; see mga running on one of them!<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt; Col<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt; Hi,<br />&gt;<br />&gt; +1<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Daniel Tartavel<br />&gt; Animateur Dipl?m? en Technologies de l'Information et de la Communication.<br />&gt; Technicien de
+Maintenance en Informatique<br />&gt;<br />&gt; <a href="http://www.librepc.com">http://www.librepc.com</a><br />&gt; siret : 511 210 858 RCS Lyon<br />&gt; --<br />&gt; Je vous serais reconnaissant de ne pas m'envoyer de pi?ces jointes<br />&gt; aux formats Word, Excel, PowerPoint, RTF, ?fichiers aux formats propri?taires.<br />&gt; Utilisez des formats universels et libres tels que texte, html,<br />&gt; OpenDocument, TeX, ? la limite PDF. Merci.<br />&gt; Voir <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.fr.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.fr.html</a><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 4<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:04:29 +0000<br />From: Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt;<br />To: mageia-dev@mageia.org<br />Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host?<br />Message-ID: &lt;4F69D1DD.20605@zen.co.uk&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br /><br />On 21/03/12 11:36, Pasc
+ al
+Terjan wrote:<br />&gt; I think this is a bug introduced by tv (always using --buildrequires<br />&gt; when calling urpmi) that I fixed in svn<br />&gt; I don't remember if I have updated the package since fixing<br />Ah - thanks,<br />svn is at  3646<br />package is 3264 !!<br />... so maybe an update is due? ;)<br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 5<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:33:17 +0000<br />From: simple w8 &lt;simplew8@gmail.com&gt;<br />To: mageia-dev &lt;Mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br />Subject: [Mageia-dev] texlive missing files/apps in Mageia<br />Message-ID:<br />	&lt;CAKVccoUbqGPPsfHtj-Z9jgfkOQti5Y6mFK5zaZvft+A=+92bog@mail.gmail.com&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br /><br />Hi,<br /><br />Today i have tried to package an updated wpa_supplicant (from git) and<br />was not possible due to missing texlive features.<br /><br />In mandriva i used to package wpa_supplicant without any problem and i<br />see that texlive packaging is r
+ ather
+different in Mageia, but see the<br />output to see what im talking about:<br /><br />~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant ~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap<br />+ pushd doc/docbook<br />~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook<br />~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant ~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap<br />+ make -j4<br />for i in wpa_background wpa_cli wpa_gui wpa_passphrase wpa_priv<br />wpa_supplicant.conf wpa_supplicant; do docbook2man $i.sgml; done<br />for i in wpa_background wpa_cli wpa_gui wpa_passphrase wpa_priv<br />wpa_supplicant.conf wpa_supplicant; do docbook2html $i.sgml &amp;&amp; \<br />        mv index.html $i.html; done<br />for i in wpa_background wpa_cli wpa_gui wpa_passphrase wpa_priv<br />wpa_supplicant.conf wpa_supplicant; do docbook2pdf $i.sgml; done<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on:
+/home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_background.sgml<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_background.sgml<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_background.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_cli.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a
+href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_gui.sgml<br />Done.<br />Done.<br /><br />kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfjadetex.fmt<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_cli.sgml<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_passphrase.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet:
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+ tended
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+<html><head></head><body>I have a raspberry pi ordered and would be willing to help with testing.  Seems like the ARM port of Mageia has been inactive for a while?<br>
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+Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: sans-serif">Send Mageia-dev mailing list submissions to<br />	mageia-dev@mageia.org<br /><br />To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br />	<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br />or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br />	mageia-dev-request@mageia.org<br /><br />You can reach the person managing the list at<br />	mageia-dev-owner@mageia.org<br /><br />When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br />than "Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest..."<br /><br /><br />Today's Topics:<br /><br />   1. Re: urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host? (Barry Jackson)<br />   2. Re: urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host? (Pascal Terjan)<br />   3. Re: Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi (David Sj?lin)<br />   4. Re: urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host? (Barry Jackson)<br />   5. texl
+ ive
+missing files/apps in Mageia (simple w8)<br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 1<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:16:01 +0000<br />From: Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt;<br />To: mageia-dev@mageia.org<br />Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host?<br />Message-ID: &lt;4F69B871.4040503@zen.co.uk&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br /><br />Ping - any ideas anyone? - this is driving me nuts!<br /><br />Just confirmation that it WFM would be a help.<br /><br />This is also after a re-install of Cauldron, but my configuration is as <br />before, and the same as in 1 where it works fine.<br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 2<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:36:57 +0000<br />From: Pascal Terjan &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt;<br />To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br />Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host?<br />Message-ID:<br
+/>	&lt;CA+CX+bgObD2W4tD0tZrbZozYF-r+B7QWOkdrxXp83C+oTQDn3w@mail.gmail.com&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br /><br />On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16, Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt; wrote:<br /><br />&gt; Ping - any ideas anyone? - this is driving me nuts!<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Just confirmation that it WFM would be a help.<br />&gt;<br />&gt; This is also after a re-install of Cauldron, but my configuration is as<br />&gt; before, and the same as in 1 where it works fine.<br />&gt;<br /><br />I think this is a bug introduced by tv (always using --buildrequires when<br />calling urpmi) that I fixed in svn<br />I don't remember if I have updated the package since fixing<br />-------------- next part --------------<br />An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br />URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20120321/ae0396d9/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 3<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:58:13 +0100<br />From: David Sj?lin
+&lt;david.sjolin@gmail.com&gt;<br />To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br />Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi<br />Message-ID:<br />	&lt;CAOHCieAwyhihRpoLb6z-161-HiJddp_BWX0zMTApMofgybKqaw@mail.gmail.com&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br /><br />Hello!<br /><br />Supposedly, ArchLinux and Debian also works on Raspberry Pi, but I<br />agree. It would be nice to get Mageia to work there.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />David<br /><br /><br />On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Daniel Tartavel &lt;contact@librepc.com&gt; wrote:<br />&gt; Le mardi 13 mars 2012, Colin Guthrie a ?crit :<br />&gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Armando B. at 13/03/12 15:07 did gyre and gimble:<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi all,<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; in this days i'm interesting to this new hardware Raspberry Pi<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.raspberrypi.org">http://www.raspberrypi.org</a>/<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; it's based on ARM arch and have g
+ reat
+performance on video, on website<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; there is also a video with XBMC that play an H264 stream 1080p 30fps.<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; It support OpenGL ES2.0 and OpenVG, have 2 usb port, 1 lan, 1 audio<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; out, 1 hdmi out, 1 rca video.<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; Price: ~27 euro :)<br />&gt;&gt; &gt;<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; For now there is only one distribution supported/sponsored, Fedora 14 remix.<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; Could be an opportunity for Mageia visibility, first 10000 pieces were<br />&gt;&gt; &gt; sold in only 2 hours, could be 10000 new Mageia users :)<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt; One of these is certainly on my shopping list and I'd very much like to<br />&gt;&gt; see mga running on one of them!<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt; Col<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt; Hi,<br />&gt;<br />&gt; +1<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Daniel Tartavel<br />&gt; Animateur Dipl?m? en Technologies de l'Information et de la Communication.<br />&gt; Technicien de
+Maintenance en Informatique<br />&gt;<br />&gt; <a href="http://www.librepc.com">http://www.librepc.com</a><br />&gt; siret : 511 210 858 RCS Lyon<br />&gt; --<br />&gt; Je vous serais reconnaissant de ne pas m'envoyer de pi?ces jointes<br />&gt; aux formats Word, Excel, PowerPoint, RTF, ?fichiers aux formats propri?taires.<br />&gt; Utilisez des formats universels et libres tels que texte, html,<br />&gt; OpenDocument, TeX, ? la limite PDF. Merci.<br />&gt; Voir <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.fr.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.fr.html</a><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 4<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:04:29 +0000<br />From: Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt;<br />To: mageia-dev@mageia.org<br />Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] urpmi problem in iurt in cauldron host?<br />Message-ID: &lt;4F69D1DD.20605@zen.co.uk&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br /><br />On 21/03/12 11:36, Pasc
+ al
+Terjan wrote:<br />&gt; I think this is a bug introduced by tv (always using --buildrequires<br />&gt; when calling urpmi) that I fixed in svn<br />&gt; I don't remember if I have updated the package since fixing<br />Ah - thanks,<br />svn is at  3646<br />package is 3264 !!<br />... so maybe an update is due? ;)<br /><br /><br /><br /><hr /><br /><br />Message: 5<br />Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:33:17 +0000<br />From: simple w8 &lt;simplew8@gmail.com&gt;<br />To: mageia-dev &lt;Mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br />Subject: [Mageia-dev] texlive missing files/apps in Mageia<br />Message-ID:<br />	&lt;CAKVccoUbqGPPsfHtj-Z9jgfkOQti5Y6mFK5zaZvft+A=+92bog@mail.gmail.com&gt;<br />Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br /><br />Hi,<br /><br />Today i have tried to package an updated wpa_supplicant (from git) and<br />was not possible due to missing texlive features.<br /><br />In mandriva i used to package wpa_supplicant without any problem and i<br />see that texlive packaging is r
+ ather
+different in Mageia, but see the<br />output to see what im talking about:<br /><br />~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant ~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap<br />+ pushd doc/docbook<br />~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook<br />~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant ~/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap<br />+ make -j4<br />for i in wpa_background wpa_cli wpa_gui wpa_passphrase wpa_priv<br />wpa_supplicant.conf wpa_supplicant; do docbook2man $i.sgml; done<br />for i in wpa_background wpa_cli wpa_gui wpa_passphrase wpa_priv<br />wpa_supplicant.conf wpa_supplicant; do docbook2html $i.sgml &amp;&amp; \<br />        mv index.html $i.html; done<br />for i in wpa_background wpa_cli wpa_gui wpa_passphrase wpa_priv<br />wpa_supplicant.conf wpa_supplicant; do docbook2pdf $i.sgml; done<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on:
+/home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_background.sgml<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_background.sgml<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_background.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_cli.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a
+href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_gui.sgml<br />Done.<br />Done.<br /><br />kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfjadetex.fmt<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_cli.sgml<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_passphrase.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet:
+/usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_priv.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_supplicant.conf.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_gui.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on:
+/home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_supplicant.sgml<br />Done.<br />Done.<br />fmtutil: running `pdftex -ini   -jobname=pdfjadetex<br />-progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' ...<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_passphrase.sgml<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on
+pdfjadetex.log.<br />Error: `pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex<br />*pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_priv.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_supplicant.conf.sgml<br /><br />###############################################################################<br />fmtutil: Error! Not all formats have been built successfully.<br />Visit the log files in directory<br />  /home/simplew/.texlive2011/texmf-var/web2c<br />for details.<br
+/>###############################################################################<br /><br />This is a summary of all `failed' messages:<br />`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br />warning: kpathsea: mktexfmt output `This is pdfTeX, Version<br />3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.' instead of a filename.<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />I can't find the format file `pdfjadetex.fmt'!<br />Using catalogs:
+/etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_cli.sgml<br />Done.<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_supplicant.sgml<br /><br />kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfjadetex.fmt<br />Done.<br />fmtutil: running `pdftex -ini   -jobname=pdfjadetex<br />-progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' ...<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l
+ .9
+\NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.<br />Error: `pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex<br />*pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br /><br />###############################################################################<br />fmtutil: Error! Not all formats have been built successfully.<br />Visit the log files in directory<br />  /home/simplew/.texlive2011/texmf-var/web2c<br />for details.<br />###############################################################################<br /><br />This is a summary of all `failed' messages:<br />`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br />warning: kpathsea: mktexfmt output `This is pdfTeX, Version<br />3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering ex
+ tended
+mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.' instead of a filename.<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />I can't find the format file `pdfjadetex.fmt'!<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_gui.sgml<br /><br />kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfjadetex.fmt<br />fmtutil: running `pdftex -ini   -jobname=pdfjadetex<br />-progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' ...<
+ br
+/>This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.<br />Error: `pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex<br />*pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br /><br />###############################################################################<br />fmtutil: Error! Not all formats have been built successfully.<br />Visit the log files in directory<br />  /home/simplew/.texlive2011/texmf-var/web2c<br />for details.<br />###############################################################################<br /><br />This is a summary o
+ f all
+`failed' messages:<br />`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br />warning: kpathsea: mktexfmt output `This is pdfTeX, Version<br />3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.' instead of a filename.<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />I can't find the format file `pdfjadetex.fmt'!<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet:
+/usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_passphrase.sgml<br /><br />kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfjadetex.fmt<br />fmtutil: running `pdftex -ini   -jobname=pdfjadetex<br />-progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' ...<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.<br />Error: `pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex<br />*pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br /><br
+/>###############################################################################<br />fmtutil: Error! Not all formats have been built successfully.<br />Visit the log files in directory<br />  /home/simplew/.texlive2011/texmf-var/web2c<br />for details.<br />###############################################################################<br /><br />This is a summary of all `failed' messages:<br />`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br />warning: kpathsea: mktexfmt output `This is pdfTeX, Version<br />3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of out
+ put.<br
+/>Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.' instead of a filename.<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />I can't find the format file `pdfjadetex.fmt'!<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_priv.sgml<br /><br />kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfjadetex.fmt<br />fmtutil: running `pdftex -ini   -jobname=pdfjadetex<br />-progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' ...<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                  
+{LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.<br />Error: `pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex<br />*pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br /><br />###############################################################################<br />fmtutil: Error! Not all formats have been built successfully.<br />Visit the log files in directory<br />  /home/simplew/.texlive2011/texmf-var/web2c<br />for details.<br />###############################################################################<br /><br />This is a summary of all `failed' messages:<br />`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br />warning: kpathsea: mktexfmt output `This is pdfTeX, Version<br />3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br
+/>(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.' instead of a filename.<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />I can't find the format file `pdfjadetex.fmt'!<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_supplicant.conf.sgml<br /><br />kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfjadetex.fmt<br />fmtutil: running `pdftex -ini   -jobname=pdfjadetex<br />-progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' 
+ ...<br
+/>This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.<br />Error: `pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex<br />*pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br /><br />###############################################################################<br />fmtutil: Error! Not all formats have been built successfully.<br />Visit the log files in directory<br />  /home/simplew/.texlive2011/texmf-var/web2c<br />for details.<br />###############################################################################<br /><br />This is a summary o
+ f all
+`failed' messages:<br />`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br />warning: kpathsea: mktexfmt output `This is pdfTeX, Version<br />3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.' instead of a filename.<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />I can't find the format file `pdfjadetex.fmt'!<br />Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/<a href="http://sgml-docbook-4.1.cat">sgml-docbook-4.1.cat</a><br />Using stylesheet:
+/usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print<br />Working on: /home/simplew/rpmbuild/BUILD/hostap/wpa_supplicant/doc/docbook/wpa_supplicant.sgml<br /><br />kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfjadetex.fmt<br />fmtutil: running `pdftex -ini   -jobname=pdfjadetex<br />-progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' ...<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of output.<br />Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.<br />Error: `pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex<br />*pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br /><br
+/>###############################################################################<br />fmtutil: Error! Not all formats have been built successfully.<br />Visit the log files in directory<br />  /home/simplew/.texlive2011/texmf-var/web2c<br />for details.<br />###############################################################################<br /><br />This is a summary of all `failed' messages:<br />`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini' failed<br />warning: kpathsea: mktexfmt output `This is pdfTeX, Version<br />3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia) (INITEX)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />entering extended mode<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/pdfjadetex.ini<br />(/usr/share/texmf/tex/jadetex/jadetex.ltx<br />! Undefined control sequence.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />?<br />! Emergency stop.<br />l.9 \NeedsTeXFormat<br />                   {LaTeX2e}[1995/06/01]<br />No pages of out
+ put.<br
+/>Transcript written on pdfjadetex.log.' instead of a filename.<br />This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-1.40.12 (TeX Live 2011/Mageia)<br /> restricted \write18 enabled.<br />I can't find the format file `pdfjadetex.fmt'!<br />make: *** [pdf] Error 9<br /><br />TIA,<br />Simplew<br /><br /><br />End of Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 19, Issue 116<br />*******************************************<br /></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16, Barry Jackson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:zen25000@zen.co.uk">zen25000@zen.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Ping - any ideas anyone? - this is driving me nuts!<br>
+<br>
+Just confirmation that it WFM would be a help.<br>
+<br>
+This is also after a re-install of Cauldron, but my configuration is as before, and the same as in 1 where it works fine.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>I think this is a bug introduced by tv (always using --buildrequires when calling urpmi) that I fixed in svn</div><div>I don&#39;t remember if I have updated the package since fixing</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16, Barry Jackson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:zen25000@zen.co.uk">zen25000@zen.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Ping - any ideas anyone? - this is driving me nuts!<br>
+<br>
+Just confirmation that it WFM would be a help.<br>
+<br>
+This is also after a re-install of Cauldron, but my configuration is as before, and the same as in 1 where it works fine.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>I think this is a bug introduced by tv (always using --buildrequires when calling urpmi) that I fixed in svn</div><div>I don&#39;t remember if I have updated the package since fixing</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in drakx-installer stage2:<br>
+<br>
+- it fixes a rare bug where one would do a disk install from a directory where<br>
+  he downloaded a bugs ntfsundelete iso image too (mga#4919)<br>
+- more important, it makes installer less scary by not displaying<br>
+&quot;preparing bootloader&quot;,<br>
+  letting some users to think we&#39;re overwritting their MBR whereas we just moved<br>
+  configuring bootloader to the summary years ago (mga#484):<br>
+  o step column: hide so called &quot;bootlader&quot; step since we do _not_<br>
+     actually install bootloader at this stage but later in summary<br>
+  o make &quot;Preparing bootloader&quot; less intimidating<br>
+<br>
+See you<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div>done<br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in drakx-installer stage2:<br>
+<br>
+- it fixes a rare bug where one would do a disk install from a directory where<br>
+  he downloaded a bugs ntfsundelete iso image too (mga#4919)<br>
+- more important, it makes installer less scary by not displaying<br>
+&quot;preparing bootloader&quot;,<br>
+  letting some users to think we&#39;re overwritting their MBR whereas we just moved<br>
+  configuring bootloader to the summary years ago (mga#484):<br>
+  o step column: hide so called &quot;bootlader&quot; step since we do _not_<br>
+     actually install bootloader at this stage but later in summary<br>
+  o make &quot;Preparing bootloader&quot; less intimidating<br>
+<br>
+See you<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div>done<br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120321/d7a32e50/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120321/d7a32e50/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Jani Välimaa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/3/17 Jani Välimaa &lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Please push fsarchiver, new version fixes a bug. See<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.fsarchiver.org/Changelog" target="_blank">http://www.fsarchiver.org/Changelog</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>ping?!<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div>submitted<br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Jani Välimaa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/3/17 Jani Välimaa &lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Please push fsarchiver, new version fixes a bug. See<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.fsarchiver.org/Changelog" target="_blank">http://www.fsarchiver.org/Changelog</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>ping?!<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div>submitted<br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Could somebody push libtasn1 2.12 and gnutls 3.0.17 into cauldron?<br>
+They fixed security problem (MU-201202-01, MU-201202-02), as described<br>
+here:<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mudynamics.com/2012/03/20/gnutls-and-libtasn1-vulns/" target="_blank">http://blog.mudynamics.com/2012/03/20/gnutls-and-libtasn1-vulns/</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Done</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Regards.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/21 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Could somebody push libtasn1 2.12 and gnutls 3.0.17 into cauldron?<br>
+They fixed security problem (MU-201202-01, MU-201202-02), as described<br>
+here:<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mudynamics.com/2012/03/20/gnutls-and-libtasn1-vulns/" target="_blank">http://blog.mudynamics.com/2012/03/20/gnutls-and-libtasn1-vulns/</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Done</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Regards.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<p>Errr, you may want to submit thunderbird-l10n also. </p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-3-22 上�6:46，&quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Manuel Hiebel wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Le 21/03/2012 23:02, nicolas vigier a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Florian Hubold wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Am 17.03.2012 17:41, schrieb Florian Hubold:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; could somebody please push thunderbird 10.0.3esr<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and thunderbird-l10n to cauldron? Thanks in advance.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Ping?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Can you explain why push is needed ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What version we have now, and why we need a new version.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; same as in the 1 ... bug and security fix<br>
+<br>
+Submitted.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Errr, you may want to submit thunderbird-l10n also. </p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">在 2012-3-22 上�6:46，&quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;写�：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Manuel Hiebel wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Le 21/03/2012 23:02, nicolas vigier a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Florian Hubold wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Am 17.03.2012 17:41, schrieb Florian Hubold:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; could somebody please push thunderbird 10.0.3esr<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and thunderbird-l10n to cauldron? Thanks in advance.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Ping?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Can you explain why push is needed ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What version we have now, and why we need a new version.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; same as in the 1 ... bug and security fix<br>
+<br>
+Submitted.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+>From 9f04e51293b130474504216a477bb2a73cbf59e1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+From: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:29:11 +0200
+Subject: [PATCH] ata: prefer ata drivers over ide drivers when both are built
+
+Currently the old IDE drivers are preferred over ATA drivers when both
+are built, since ide/ is listed first in drivers/Makefile and therefore
+the IDE drivers end up before ATA drivers in modules.order which is used
+by depmod/modprobe for module ordering.
+
+Change it so that ATA drivers are preferred over IDE driver by moving
+the ide/ entry under ata/ in drivers/Makefile.
+
+Signed-off-by: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+---
+ drivers/Makefile |    2 +-
+ 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
+
+diff --git a/drivers/Makefile b/drivers/Makefile
+index 932e8bf..e8df3d0 100644
+--- a/drivers/Makefile
++++ b/drivers/Makefile
+@@ -47,9 +47,9 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_PARPORT)		+= parport/
+ obj-y				+= base/ block/ misc/ mfd/ nfc/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_NUBUS)		+= nubus/
+ obj-y				+= macintosh/
+-obj-$(CONFIG_IDE)		+= ide/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_SCSI)		+= scsi/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_ATA)		+= ata/
++obj-$(CONFIG_IDE)		+= ide/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_TARGET_CORE)	+= target/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_MTD)		+= mtd/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_SPI)		+= spi/
+-- 
+1.7.9.3
+
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+>From 9f04e51293b130474504216a477bb2a73cbf59e1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+From: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:29:11 +0200
+Subject: [PATCH] ata: prefer ata drivers over ide drivers when both are built
+
+Currently the old IDE drivers are preferred over ATA drivers when both
+are built, since ide/ is listed first in drivers/Makefile and therefore
+the IDE drivers end up before ATA drivers in modules.order which is used
+by depmod/modprobe for module ordering.
+
+Change it so that ATA drivers are preferred over IDE driver by moving
+the ide/ entry under ata/ in drivers/Makefile.
+
+Signed-off-by: Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula@iki.fi>
+---
+ drivers/Makefile |    2 +-
+ 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
+
+diff --git a/drivers/Makefile b/drivers/Makefile
+index 932e8bf..e8df3d0 100644
+--- a/drivers/Makefile
++++ b/drivers/Makefile
+@@ -47,9 +47,9 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_PARPORT)		+= parport/
+ obj-y				+= base/ block/ misc/ mfd/ nfc/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_NUBUS)		+= nubus/
+ obj-y				+= macintosh/
+-obj-$(CONFIG_IDE)		+= ide/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_SCSI)		+= scsi/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_ATA)		+= ata/
++obj-$(CONFIG_IDE)		+= ide/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_TARGET_CORE)	+= target/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_MTD)		+= mtd/
+ obj-$(CONFIG_SPI)		+= spi/
+-- 
+1.7.9.3
+
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">The fact is Im fixing snort, snort uses daq, and daq uses libnetfilter_queue.&nbsp; So i was expecting to place all dependencies up to date<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Pascal Terjan &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>vie, mar 23, 2012 00:40:37 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] please push libnetfilter_queue<br><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 13:49, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

+

+On Jue 22 Mar 2012 07:41:02 Anne Nicolas escribió:<br>

+<div class="im">&gt; Le 22/03/2012 14:38, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a écrit :<br>

+&gt; &gt; Helo<br>

+&gt; &gt;<br>

+&gt; &gt; Please push libnetfilter_queue, it updates from 1.0.0 to 1.0.1<br>

+&gt; &gt;<br>

+&gt; &gt; LD<br>

+&gt;<br>

+&gt; Reasons...<br>

+<br>

+</div>I&#39;m not a kernel developer, here it is the changelog<br>

+<a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog" target="_blank">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog</a><br>

+<br>

+There are more than 18 months of difference between 1.0.0 and 1.0.1, I guess<br>

+since this is a kernel matter, 18 months ago we were using 2.6, now 3.3.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Looking at the changes, it seems safe to update but there is also no real reason to do so...</div><div>Only real change is <a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=commit;h=1154021c599257edf2c3dcb4d29f6b4dcb67643a">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=commit;h=1154021c599257edf2c3dcb4d29f6b4dcb67643a</a></div>

+

+<div>Other changes are doc or build changes + licence change to GPLv2+</div></div>

+</div></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">The fact is Im fixing snort, snort uses daq, and daq uses libnetfilter_queue.&nbsp; So i was expecting to place all dependencies up to date<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Pascal Terjan &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>vie, mar 23, 2012 00:40:37 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] please push libnetfilter_queue<br><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 13:49, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

+

+On Jue 22 Mar 2012 07:41:02 Anne Nicolas escribió:<br>

+<div class="im">&gt; Le 22/03/2012 14:38, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a écrit :<br>

+&gt; &gt; Helo<br>

+&gt; &gt;<br>

+&gt; &gt; Please push libnetfilter_queue, it updates from 1.0.0 to 1.0.1<br>

+&gt; &gt;<br>

+&gt; &gt; LD<br>

+&gt;<br>

+&gt; Reasons...<br>

+<br>

+</div>I&#39;m not a kernel developer, here it is the changelog<br>

+<a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog" target="_blank">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog</a><br>

+<br>

+There are more than 18 months of difference between 1.0.0 and 1.0.1, I guess<br>

+since this is a kernel matter, 18 months ago we were using 2.6, now 3.3.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Looking at the changes, it seems safe to update but there is also no real reason to do so...</div><div>Only real change is <a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=commit;h=1154021c599257edf2c3dcb4d29f6b4dcb67643a">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=commit;h=1154021c599257edf2c3dcb4d29f6b4dcb67643a</a></div>

+

+<div>Other changes are doc or build changes + licence change to GPLv2+</div></div>

+</div></blockquote></body></html>

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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:39, tmb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Name        : radeon-firmware              Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 20120322                          Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga2.nonfree                Build Date: Thu Mar 22 12:39:11 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : System/Kernel and hardware    Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 56508                            License: Freeware<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://ati.amd.com/" target="_blank">http://ati.amd.com/</a><br>
+Summary     : ATI/AMD Radeon firmware files<br>
+Description :<br>
+Firmware files for ATI/AMD Radeon graphics cards.<br>
+<br>
+This package contains all the firmware files (including RLC) for the<br>
+following Radeon series: R100, R200, R300, R400, R500, R600, R700,<br>
+Evergreen, Fusion, Northern Islands, Southern Islands, Cayman, Llano,<br>
+Trinity.<br>
+<br>
+tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 20120322-1.mga2:<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It conflicts with kernel-firmware &lt; %{version}-1 and kernel-firmware is currently 20120219</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:39, tmb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Name        : radeon-firmware              Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 20120322                          Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga2.nonfree                Build Date: Thu Mar 22 12:39:11 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : System/Kernel and hardware    Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 56508                            License: Freeware<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://ati.amd.com/" target="_blank">http://ati.amd.com/</a><br>
+Summary     : ATI/AMD Radeon firmware files<br>
+Description :<br>
+Firmware files for ATI/AMD Radeon graphics cards.<br>
+<br>
+This package contains all the firmware files (including RLC) for the<br>
+following Radeon series: R100, R200, R300, R400, R500, R600, R700,<br>
+Evergreen, Fusion, Northern Islands, Southern Islands, Cayman, Llano,<br>
+Trinity.<br>
+<br>
+tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 20120322-1.mga2:<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It conflicts with kernel-firmware &lt; %{version}-1 and kernel-firmware is currently 20120219</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 23:33, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Op donderdag 22 maart 2012 00:30:53 schreef Maarten Vanraes:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; i did a network install<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; and choose &#39;custom&#39;, then deselected everything, pressed next<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i got to the next menu of installation and left these to default:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  - no X<br>
+&gt;  - no suggestions<br>
+&gt;  - basic doc still on<br>
+&gt;  - truly minimal was off<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but, i ended up with x libraries, fonts, etc...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; so i dug a bit deeper as to why and looked at the ddebug.log file:<br>
+<br>
+</div>i looked once more, after the choose packages step:<br>
+<br>
+these are the categories selected:<br>
+<br>
+CAT_MINIMAL_DOCS<br>
+CAT_SYSTEM<br>
+CHARSET&quot;C&quot;<br>
+LOCALES&quot;en&quot;<br>
+LOCALES&quot;_&quot;<br>
+LOCALES&quot;en_US&quot;<br>
+META_CLASS&quot;download&quot;<br>
+TRUE<br>
+USB<br>
+UTF8<br>
+<br>
+this should be:<br>
+man info man-pages eject ldetect harddrake sharutils locales iputils urpmi<br>
+tmpwatch dmidecode ntfs-3g pm-utils numlock lftp mageia-release-Default<br>
+
+<br></blockquote><div>+ basesystem-minimal at least</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+these should result in a selection of 235 packages (i tried to track these<br>
+manually through the rpmsrate file<br>
+<br>
+however, somehow other packages seem to be getting extra installed anyway<br>
+(during the choosePackages step)!<br>
+<br>
+first package being selected is:<br>
+<br>
+- lib64drm_radeon1 ... even in rpmsrate radeon-firmware (the closest thing i<br>
+can imagine), needs CAT_X ....<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hard to say without the full list</div><div>I would guess plymouth got selected or maybe lsl-lib64</div><div><br></div><div>plymouth requires libdrm_radeon.so.1</div>
+
+<div>lsb-lib64 rquires lib64mesagl1 which requires lib64dri-drivers which requires libdrm_radeon.so.1</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+next:<br>
+- lib64pam0<br>
+- bootsplash<br>
+<br>
+am i missing something, i have the feeling there&#39;s another file that has effect<br>
+to these stuff?<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>Well all the packages have plenty of dependencies...
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 23:33, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Op donderdag 22 maart 2012 00:30:53 schreef Maarten Vanraes:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; i did a network install<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; and choose &#39;custom&#39;, then deselected everything, pressed next<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i got to the next menu of installation and left these to default:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  - no X<br>
+&gt;  - no suggestions<br>
+&gt;  - basic doc still on<br>
+&gt;  - truly minimal was off<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but, i ended up with x libraries, fonts, etc...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; so i dug a bit deeper as to why and looked at the ddebug.log file:<br>
+<br>
+</div>i looked once more, after the choose packages step:<br>
+<br>
+these are the categories selected:<br>
+<br>
+CAT_MINIMAL_DOCS<br>
+CAT_SYSTEM<br>
+CHARSET&quot;C&quot;<br>
+LOCALES&quot;en&quot;<br>
+LOCALES&quot;_&quot;<br>
+LOCALES&quot;en_US&quot;<br>
+META_CLASS&quot;download&quot;<br>
+TRUE<br>
+USB<br>
+UTF8<br>
+<br>
+this should be:<br>
+man info man-pages eject ldetect harddrake sharutils locales iputils urpmi<br>
+tmpwatch dmidecode ntfs-3g pm-utils numlock lftp mageia-release-Default<br>
+
+<br></blockquote><div>+ basesystem-minimal at least</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+these should result in a selection of 235 packages (i tried to track these<br>
+manually through the rpmsrate file<br>
+<br>
+however, somehow other packages seem to be getting extra installed anyway<br>
+(during the choosePackages step)!<br>
+<br>
+first package being selected is:<br>
+<br>
+- lib64drm_radeon1 ... even in rpmsrate radeon-firmware (the closest thing i<br>
+can imagine), needs CAT_X ....<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hard to say without the full list</div><div>I would guess plymouth got selected or maybe lsl-lib64</div><div><br></div><div>plymouth requires libdrm_radeon.so.1</div>
+
+<div>lsb-lib64 rquires lib64mesagl1 which requires lib64dri-drivers which requires libdrm_radeon.so.1</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+next:<br>
+- lib64pam0<br>
+- bootsplash<br>
+<br>
+am i missing something, i have the feeling there&#39;s another file that has effect<br>
+to these stuff?<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>Well all the packages have plenty of dependencies...
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Allors?<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;dlucio@okay.com.mx&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>jue, mar 22, 2012 13:50:44 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] please push libnetfilter_queue<br><br></div>On Jue 22 Mar 2012 07:41:02 Anne Nicolas escribió:<br>> Le 22/03/2012 14:38, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a écrit :<br>> > Helo<br>> > <br>> > Please push libnetfilter_queue, it updates from 1.0.0 to 1.0.1<br>> > <br>> > LD<br>> <br>> Reasons...<br><br>I'm not a kernel developer, here it is the changelog<br><a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog</a><br><br>There are more than 18 months of difference between 1.0.0 and 1.0.1, I guess <br>since this is a kernel matter, 18 months ago we were using 2.6, now 3.3.<br><br>LD<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Allors?<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;dlucio@okay.com.mx&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>jue, mar 22, 2012 13:50:44 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] please push libnetfilter_queue<br><br></div>On Jue 22 Mar 2012 07:41:02 Anne Nicolas escribió:<br>> Le 22/03/2012 14:38, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a écrit :<br>> > Helo<br>> > <br>> > Please push libnetfilter_queue, it updates from 1.0.0 to 1.0.1<br>> > <br>> > LD<br>> <br>> Reasons...<br><br>I'm not a kernel developer, here it is the changelog<br><a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog</a><br><br>There are more than 18 months of difference between 1.0.0 and 1.0.1, I guess <br>since this is a kernel matter, 18 months ago we were using 2.6, now 3.3.<br><br>LD<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<p><br>
+On Mar 23, 2012 3:41 AM, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/23 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; I&#39;ve asked previously if we want a firewall installed before summary, anne &amp;<br>
+&gt; &gt; blino said it was OK<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Nice! And how is the user supposed to avoid installing a firewall with<br>
+&gt; all those dependencies if he does not need it (ie if the firewall<br>
+&gt; functions are handled by another device in the LAN?)? I see no sense<br>
+&gt; having a firewall with all dependencies on all my machines in the LAN<br>
+&gt; when there is a dedicated device/pc for this function. So why not<br>
+&gt; leave that to the summary (or an extra question) during installer and<br>
+&gt; then install the necessary packages according to the answer (yes or<br>
+&gt; no)?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; wobo</p>
+<p>If interested, I did a lot of what I called thinning of the distro for mdv to get my UL CLI isos down to 100MB. </p>
+<p>There&#39;s not just one point in the dep chain that starts the deluge of unnecessary pkgs.</p>
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+<p><br>
+On Mar 23, 2012 3:41 AM, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/23 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; I&#39;ve asked previously if we want a firewall installed before summary, anne &amp;<br>
+&gt; &gt; blino said it was OK<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Nice! And how is the user supposed to avoid installing a firewall with<br>
+&gt; all those dependencies if he does not need it (ie if the firewall<br>
+&gt; functions are handled by another device in the LAN?)? I see no sense<br>
+&gt; having a firewall with all dependencies on all my machines in the LAN<br>
+&gt; when there is a dedicated device/pc for this function. So why not<br>
+&gt; leave that to the summary (or an extra question) during installer and<br>
+&gt; then install the necessary packages according to the answer (yes or<br>
+&gt; no)?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; wobo</p>
+<p>If interested, I did a lot of what I called thinning of the distro for mdv to get my UL CLI isos down to 100MB. </p>
+<p>There&#39;s not just one point in the dep chain that starts the deluge of unnecessary pkgs.</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 13:49, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+On Jue 22 Mar 2012 07:41:02 Anne Nicolas escribió:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Le 22/03/2012 14:38, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; Helo<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Please push libnetfilter_queue, it updates from 1.0.0 to 1.0.1<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; LD<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reasons...<br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m not a kernel developer, here it is the changelog<br>
+<a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog" target="_blank">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog</a><br>
+<br>
+There are more than 18 months of difference between 1.0.0 and 1.0.1, I guess<br>
+since this is a kernel matter, 18 months ago we were using 2.6, now 3.3.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Looking at the changes, it seems safe to update but there is also no real reason to do so...</div><div>Only real change is <a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=commit;h=1154021c599257edf2c3dcb4d29f6b4dcb67643a">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=commit;h=1154021c599257edf2c3dcb4d29f6b4dcb67643a</a></div>
+
+<div>Other changes are doc or build changes + licence change to GPLv2+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 13:49, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+On Jue 22 Mar 2012 07:41:02 Anne Nicolas escribió:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Le 22/03/2012 14:38, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; Helo<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Please push libnetfilter_queue, it updates from 1.0.0 to 1.0.1<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; LD<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reasons...<br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m not a kernel developer, here it is the changelog<br>
+<a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog" target="_blank">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=shortlog</a><br>
+<br>
+There are more than 18 months of difference between 1.0.0 and 1.0.1, I guess<br>
+since this is a kernel matter, 18 months ago we were using 2.6, now 3.3.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Looking at the changes, it seems safe to update but there is also no real reason to do so...</div><div>Only real change is <a href="https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=commit;h=1154021c599257edf2c3dcb4d29f6b4dcb67643a">https://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnetfilter_queue.git;a=commit;h=1154021c599257edf2c3dcb4d29f6b4dcb67643a</a></div>
+
+<div>Other changes are doc or build changes + licence change to GPLv2+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 16:07, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+On 18 March 2012 10:51, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Well unionfs seemed to get different oops in each new version. Anyway<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t think it should be done like this (having specific code for<br>
+&gt; unionfs everywhere).<br>
+&gt; I want to improve current chroot mode (like using a cgroup to easily<br>
+&gt; kill all processes or set limits) and have a common api to allow other<br>
+&gt; modes, like building in kvm for example, or using lvm/btrfs rw<br>
+&gt; snapshots (which should be better supported than unionfs).<br>
+<br>
+Then, we could maybe clean this in Chroot.pm:<br>
+<br>
+sub add_local_user {<br>
+    my ($chroot_tmp, $run, $config, $luser, $uid) = @_;<br>
+<br>
+    # change the builder user to the local user id<br>
+    # FIXME it seems that unionfs does not handle well the change of the<br>
+    #       uid of files<br>
+    # if (system(qq|sudo chroot $chroot_tmp usermod -u $run-&gt;{uid} builder|)) {<br>
+<br>
+Though sadly we lost the actual commit that did that due to the 2007 crash<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Yes I noticed but this is a behavior change so I wanted to check more closely before doing it, if nothing relies on it</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 16:07, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+On 18 March 2012 10:51, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Well unionfs seemed to get different oops in each new version. Anyway<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t think it should be done like this (having specific code for<br>
+&gt; unionfs everywhere).<br>
+&gt; I want to improve current chroot mode (like using a cgroup to easily<br>
+&gt; kill all processes or set limits) and have a common api to allow other<br>
+&gt; modes, like building in kvm for example, or using lvm/btrfs rw<br>
+&gt; snapshots (which should be better supported than unionfs).<br>
+<br>
+Then, we could maybe clean this in Chroot.pm:<br>
+<br>
+sub add_local_user {<br>
+    my ($chroot_tmp, $run, $config, $luser, $uid) = @_;<br>
+<br>
+    # change the builder user to the local user id<br>
+    # FIXME it seems that unionfs does not handle well the change of the<br>
+    #       uid of files<br>
+    # if (system(qq|sudo chroot $chroot_tmp usermod -u $run-&gt;{uid} builder|)) {<br>
+<br>
+Though sadly we lost the actual commit that did that due to the 2007 crash<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Yes I noticed but this is a behavior change so I wanted to check more closely before doing it, if nothing relies on it</div>
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+<p>On Mar 24, 2012 9:13 PM, &quot;Thomas Spuhler&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; please push clamav-0.97.4<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Best regards<br>
+&gt; Thomas Spuhler</p>
+<p>Why?</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+<p>On Mar 24, 2012 9:13 PM, &quot;Thomas Spuhler&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; please push clamav-0.97.4<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Best regards<br>
+&gt; Thomas Spuhler</p>
+<p>Why?</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 25.03.2012 17:20, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CA+CX+bid9ndvRAEOK=RbqfYKVvMmMrV7ds1e=7axAA_CmDrUHg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 15:51, Angelo
+        Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          In data domenica 25 marzo 2012 14:48:01, Julien ha scritto:<br>
+          <div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; Is there a mass rebuild planned before mageia 2 ? And
+            if not, is there a<br>
+            &gt; value in rebuilding a package without update since 1
+            year ?<br>
+          </div>
+          Can you point us the list? Maybe we can consider if they can
+          go, or have to be<br>
+          rebuild, or removed...<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>That's one third of the packages&nbsp;</div>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls
+          /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga1.src.rpm
+          | wc -l</div>
+      </div>
+      <div>3420</div>
+      <div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls
+        /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga2.src.rpm
+        | wc -l</div>
+      <div>6479</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    I have got a semi-automated script to do it.<br>
+    <br>
+    On 05.12.2011 15:26, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4EDCD49C.7080302@mageia.org" type="cite">Hi, <br>
+      <br>
+      so... the long wait is over.... <br>
+      <br>
+      I've submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now. <br>
+      <br>
+      As soon as it's available on the primary mirror I'll invalidate
+      the cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used. <br>
+      <br>
+      Ater that I'll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built
+      with <br>
+      the new toolchain. <br>
+      <br>
+      So, we now have glibc &amp; the toolchain upgraded: <br>
+      - glibc is at 2.14.1 (available in cauldron since 2011-10-24) <br>
+      - binutils 2.22 (available in cauldron since 2011-11-28) <br>
+      - gcc-4.6.2 (available later today (2011-12-05) <br>
+      <br>
+      Now, in order to provide a very good Mageia 2, every package
+      should <br>
+      be rebuilt with the new toolchain/glibc in order to make sure they
+      <br>
+      still build _and_ work correctly (and flush out any bugs in the <br>
+      toolchain) <br>
+      <br>
+      Now this rebuild should be done preferably in BR order when
+      possible, <br>
+      to rule out bad interaction between packages and be preferably be
+      <br>
+      fully done by alpha3 or beta1 at the latest so we have time to fix
+      <br>
+      it properly for Mageia 2. <br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Thomas <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    So we should focus not on the mga1 packages but not [re]bulded since
+    pushing the 4.6.2.<br>
+    <br>
+    On 06.12.2011 00:13, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4EDD501F.60207@mageia.org" type="cite">05.12.2011
+      16:26, Thomas Backlund skrev: <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Hi,
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        so... the long wait is over....
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        I've submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        As soon as it's available on the primary mirror I'll invalidate
+        the
+        <br>
+        cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        Ater that I'll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built
+        with
+        <br>
+        the new toolchain.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      New gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2, glibc-2.14.1-3.mga2, kernel-3.1.4-2.mga2 are
+      now on the mirrors. <br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Thomas <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    So 6th December is the day when new toolchain landed on the mirrors
+    and all older packages should be rebuilt.<br>
+    <br>
+    I will prepare a tracker to monitor it according to the package
+    maintainership. :)<br>
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+    On 25.03.2012 17:20, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CA+CX+bid9ndvRAEOK=RbqfYKVvMmMrV7ds1e=7axAA_CmDrUHg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 15:51, Angelo
+        Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          In data domenica 25 marzo 2012 14:48:01, Julien ha scritto:<br>
+          <div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; Is there a mass rebuild planned before mageia 2 ? And
+            if not, is there a<br>
+            &gt; value in rebuilding a package without update since 1
+            year ?<br>
+          </div>
+          Can you point us the list? Maybe we can consider if they can
+          go, or have to be<br>
+          rebuild, or removed...<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>That's one third of the packages&nbsp;</div>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls
+          /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga1.src.rpm
+          | wc -l</div>
+      </div>
+      <div>3420</div>
+      <div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls
+        /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga2.src.rpm
+        | wc -l</div>
+      <div>6479</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    I have got a semi-automated script to do it.<br>
+    <br>
+    On 05.12.2011 15:26, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4EDCD49C.7080302@mageia.org" type="cite">Hi, <br>
+      <br>
+      so... the long wait is over.... <br>
+      <br>
+      I've submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now. <br>
+      <br>
+      As soon as it's available on the primary mirror I'll invalidate
+      the cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used. <br>
+      <br>
+      Ater that I'll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built
+      with <br>
+      the new toolchain. <br>
+      <br>
+      So, we now have glibc &amp; the toolchain upgraded: <br>
+      - glibc is at 2.14.1 (available in cauldron since 2011-10-24) <br>
+      - binutils 2.22 (available in cauldron since 2011-11-28) <br>
+      - gcc-4.6.2 (available later today (2011-12-05) <br>
+      <br>
+      Now, in order to provide a very good Mageia 2, every package
+      should <br>
+      be rebuilt with the new toolchain/glibc in order to make sure they
+      <br>
+      still build _and_ work correctly (and flush out any bugs in the <br>
+      toolchain) <br>
+      <br>
+      Now this rebuild should be done preferably in BR order when
+      possible, <br>
+      to rule out bad interaction between packages and be preferably be
+      <br>
+      fully done by alpha3 or beta1 at the latest so we have time to fix
+      <br>
+      it properly for Mageia 2. <br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Thomas <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    So we should focus not on the mga1 packages but not [re]bulded since
+    pushing the 4.6.2.<br>
+    <br>
+    On 06.12.2011 00:13, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4EDD501F.60207@mageia.org" type="cite">05.12.2011
+      16:26, Thomas Backlund skrev: <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Hi,
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        so... the long wait is over....
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        I've submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        As soon as it's available on the primary mirror I'll invalidate
+        the
+        <br>
+        cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        Ater that I'll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built
+        with
+        <br>
+        the new toolchain.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      New gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2, glibc-2.14.1-3.mga2, kernel-3.1.4-2.mga2 are
+      now on the mirrors. <br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Thomas <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    So 6th December is the day when new toolchain landed on the mirrors
+    and all older packages should be rebuilt.<br>
+    <br>
+    I will prepare a tracker to monitor it according to the package
+    maintainership. :)<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 18:11, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 25 March 2012 18:15, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Now, in order to provide a very good Mageia 2, every package should<br>
+&gt;&gt; be rebuilt with the new toolchain/glibc in order to make sure they<br>
+&gt;&gt; still build _and_ work correctly (and flush out any bugs in the<br>
+&gt;&gt; toolchain)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Now this rebuild should be done preferably in BR order when possible,<br>
+&gt;&gt; to rule out bad interaction between packages and be preferably be<br>
+&gt;&gt; fully done by alpha3 or beta1 at the latest so we have time to fix<br>
+&gt;&gt; it properly for Mageia 2.<br>
+<br>
+</div>(...)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Rebuilding half of the distribution now seems the best way to add bugs<br>
+&gt; before the release...<br>
+<br>
+</div>On the other hand, we my got bugs introduced when pushing a security<br>
+update due to the new toolchain not having been tested with those<br>
+packages...<br>
+Or having packages not rebuilding when patching them for security<br>
+fixes.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Yes but I think it&#39;s something that should have been done after toolchain was updated in december, or at latest around beta1/version freeze, not 2 weeks before the release candidate</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 18:11, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 25 March 2012 18:15, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Now, in order to provide a very good Mageia 2, every package should<br>
+&gt;&gt; be rebuilt with the new toolchain/glibc in order to make sure they<br>
+&gt;&gt; still build _and_ work correctly (and flush out any bugs in the<br>
+&gt;&gt; toolchain)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Now this rebuild should be done preferably in BR order when possible,<br>
+&gt;&gt; to rule out bad interaction between packages and be preferably be<br>
+&gt;&gt; fully done by alpha3 or beta1 at the latest so we have time to fix<br>
+&gt;&gt; it properly for Mageia 2.<br>
+<br>
+</div>(...)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Rebuilding half of the distribution now seems the best way to add bugs<br>
+&gt; before the release...<br>
+<br>
+</div>On the other hand, we my got bugs introduced when pushing a security<br>
+update due to the new toolchain not having been tested with those<br>
+packages...<br>
+Or having packages not rebuilding when patching them for security<br>
+fixes.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Yes but I think it&#39;s something that should have been done after toolchain was updated in december, or at latest around beta1/version freeze, not 2 weeks before the release candidate</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 18:26, Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Maybe we could filter out those noarch packages, esp those perl modules.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ urpmf --use-distrib /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/i586/ --qf %arch:%sourcerpm i586:.*mga1 | sort -u | wc -l</div>
+
+<div>912</div></div><div><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 18:26, Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Maybe we could filter out those noarch packages, esp those perl modules.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ urpmf --use-distrib /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/i586/ --qf %arch:%sourcerpm i586:.*mga1 | sort -u | wc -l</div>
+
+<div>912</div></div><div><br></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Isnt it better that each maintainer rebuild his packages by his own? Using self criteria<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Angelo Naselli &lt;anaselli@linux.it&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>dom, mar 25, 2012 21:16:45 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] mass rebuild for Mga 2 ?<br><br></div>> This is not doable now. Freeze time, it should have been done much<br>> before. Please focus on bug reports in Bugzilla<br><br>Well who thinks some mga1 packages here in the outcoming mga2 <br>and not been rebuilt, has problems could add a bug report for that to allow <br>a "bug fixing rebuilding" :)<br><br>-- <br>	Angelo<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Isnt it better that each maintainer rebuild his packages by his own? Using self criteria<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Angelo Naselli &lt;anaselli@linux.it&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>dom, mar 25, 2012 21:16:45 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] mass rebuild for Mga 2 ?<br><br></div>> This is not doable now. Freeze time, it should have been done much<br>> before. Please focus on bug reports in Bugzilla<br><br>Well who thinks some mga1 packages here in the outcoming mga2 <br>and not been rebuilt, has problems could add a bug report for that to allow <br>a "bug fixing rebuilding" :)<br><br>-- <br>	Angelo<br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 17:07, Kamil Rytarowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><div class="h5">
+    On 25.03.2012 17:20, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 15:51, Angelo
+        Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it" target="_blank">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+          In data domenica 25 marzo 2012 14:48:01, Julien ha scritto:<br>
+          <div>&gt; Hello,<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; Is there a mass rebuild planned before mageia 2 ? And
+            if not, is there a<br>
+            &gt; value in rebuilding a package without update since 1
+            year ?<br>
+          </div>
+          Can you point us the list? Maybe we can consider if they can
+          go, or have to be<br>
+          rebuild, or removed...<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>That&#39;s one third of the packages </div>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls
+          /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga1.src.rpm
+          | wc -l</div>
+      </div>
+      <div>3420</div>
+      <div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls
+        /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga2.src.rpm
+        | wc -l</div>
+      <div>6479</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote></div></div>
+    I have got a semi-automated script to do it.<br>
+    <br>
+    On 05.12.2011 15:26, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite">Hi, <br>
+      <br>
+      so... the long wait is over.... <br>
+      <br>
+      I&#39;ve submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now. <br>
+      <br>
+      As soon as it&#39;s available on the primary mirror I&#39;ll invalidate
+      the cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used. <br>
+      <br>
+      Ater that I&#39;ll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built
+      with <br>
+      the new toolchain. <br>
+      <br>
+      So, we now have glibc &amp; the toolchain upgraded: <br>
+      - glibc is at 2.14.1 (available in cauldron since 2011-10-24) <br>
+      - binutils 2.22 (available in cauldron since 2011-11-28) <br>
+      - gcc-4.6.2 (available later today (2011-12-05) <br>
+      <br>
+      Now, in order to provide a very good Mageia 2, every package
+      should <br>
+      be rebuilt with the new toolchain/glibc in order to make sure they
+      <br>
+      still build _and_ work correctly (and flush out any bugs in the <br>
+      toolchain) <br>
+      <br>
+      Now this rebuild should be done preferably in BR order when
+      possible, <br>
+      to rule out bad interaction between packages and be preferably be
+      <br>
+      fully done by alpha3 or beta1 at the latest so we have time to fix
+      <br>
+      it properly for Mageia 2. <br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Thomas <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    So we should focus not on the mga1 packages but not [re]bulded since
+    pushing the 4.6.2.<br>
+    <br>
+    On 06.12.2011 00:13, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite">05.12.2011
+      16:26, Thomas Backlund skrev: <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Hi,
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        so... the long wait is over....
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        I&#39;ve submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        As soon as it&#39;s available on the primary mirror I&#39;ll invalidate
+        the
+        <br>
+        cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        Ater that I&#39;ll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built
+        with
+        <br>
+        the new toolchain.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      New gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2, glibc-2.14.1-3.mga2, kernel-3.1.4-2.mga2 are
+      now on the mirrors. <br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Thomas <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    So 6th December is the day when new toolchain landed on the mirrors
+    and all older packages should be rebuilt.<br>
+    <br>
+    I will prepare a tracker to monitor it according to the package
+    maintainership. :)<br>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>Rebuilding half of the distribution now seems the best way to add bugs before the release...</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 17:07, Kamil Rytarowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><div class="h5">
+    On 25.03.2012 17:20, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 15:51, Angelo
+        Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it" target="_blank">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+          In data domenica 25 marzo 2012 14:48:01, Julien ha scritto:<br>
+          <div>&gt; Hello,<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; Is there a mass rebuild planned before mageia 2 ? And
+            if not, is there a<br>
+            &gt; value in rebuilding a package without update since 1
+            year ?<br>
+          </div>
+          Can you point us the list? Maybe we can consider if they can
+          go, or have to be<br>
+          rebuild, or removed...<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>That&#39;s one third of the packages </div>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls
+          /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga1.src.rpm
+          | wc -l</div>
+      </div>
+      <div>3420</div>
+      <div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls
+        /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga2.src.rpm
+        | wc -l</div>
+      <div>6479</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote></div></div>
+    I have got a semi-automated script to do it.<br>
+    <br>
+    On 05.12.2011 15:26, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite">Hi, <br>
+      <br>
+      so... the long wait is over.... <br>
+      <br>
+      I&#39;ve submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now. <br>
+      <br>
+      As soon as it&#39;s available on the primary mirror I&#39;ll invalidate
+      the cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used. <br>
+      <br>
+      Ater that I&#39;ll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built
+      with <br>
+      the new toolchain. <br>
+      <br>
+      So, we now have glibc &amp; the toolchain upgraded: <br>
+      - glibc is at 2.14.1 (available in cauldron since 2011-10-24) <br>
+      - binutils 2.22 (available in cauldron since 2011-11-28) <br>
+      - gcc-4.6.2 (available later today (2011-12-05) <br>
+      <br>
+      Now, in order to provide a very good Mageia 2, every package
+      should <br>
+      be rebuilt with the new toolchain/glibc in order to make sure they
+      <br>
+      still build _and_ work correctly (and flush out any bugs in the <br>
+      toolchain) <br>
+      <br>
+      Now this rebuild should be done preferably in BR order when
+      possible, <br>
+      to rule out bad interaction between packages and be preferably be
+      <br>
+      fully done by alpha3 or beta1 at the latest so we have time to fix
+      <br>
+      it properly for Mageia 2. <br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Thomas <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    So we should focus not on the mga1 packages but not [re]bulded since
+    pushing the 4.6.2.<br>
+    <br>
+    On 06.12.2011 00:13, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite">05.12.2011
+      16:26, Thomas Backlund skrev: <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Hi,
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        so... the long wait is over....
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        I&#39;ve submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        As soon as it&#39;s available on the primary mirror I&#39;ll invalidate
+        the
+        <br>
+        cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        Ater that I&#39;ll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built
+        with
+        <br>
+        the new toolchain.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      New gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2, glibc-2.14.1-3.mga2, kernel-3.1.4-2.mga2 are
+      now on the mirrors. <br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Thomas <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    So 6th December is the day when new toolchain landed on the mirrors
+    and all older packages should be rebuilt.<br>
+    <br>
+    I will prepare a tracker to monitor it according to the package
+    maintainership. :)<br>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>Rebuilding half of the distribution now seems the best way to add bugs before the release...</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 15:51, Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+In data domenica 25 marzo 2012 14:48:01, Julien ha scritto:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is there a mass rebuild planned before mageia 2 ? And if not, is there a<br>
+&gt; value in rebuilding a package without update since 1 year ?<br>
+</div>Can you point us the list? Maybe we can consider if they can go, or have to be<br>
+rebuild, or removed...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s one third of the packages </div><div><br></div><div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga1.src.rpm | wc -l</div>
+
+</div><div>3420</div><div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga2.src.rpm | wc -l</div><div>6479</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 15:51, Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+In data domenica 25 marzo 2012 14:48:01, Julien ha scritto:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is there a mass rebuild planned before mageia 2 ? And if not, is there a<br>
+&gt; value in rebuilding a package without update since 1 year ?<br>
+</div>Can you point us the list? Maybe we can consider if they can go, or have to be<br>
+rebuild, or removed...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s one third of the packages </div><div><br></div><div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga1.src.rpm | wc -l</div>
+
+</div><div>3420</div><div>[schedbot@valstar ~]$ ls /distrib/mirror/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/core/release/*.mga2.src.rpm | wc -l</div><div>6479</div><div><br></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120326/00dbe7ee/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120326/00dbe7ee/attachment-0001.html
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--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120326/00dbe7ee/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,32 @@
+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 15.03.2012 15:25, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a> wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20120315142541.290560@gmx.com" type="cite"><span
+        style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Hi!<br>
+          <br>
+          Please push mgaonline.<br>
+          <pre class="vc_log"> 
+- new tarball 2.77.32 
+* stop using Mandriva URLs and replace them by <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.mageia.org">www.mageia.org</a> (mga#1590) 
+* replace Mandriva strings by Mageia in gnome-mandrakeonline.desktop 
+* replace MIME Type application/x-mdv-exec by application/x-mga-exec 
+* extend $MGA_YEARS in mgaupdate to 2012 
+* delete MANDRIVA_VERSION variable as not used 
+- replace obsolete drakx-newt with drakxtools-curses 
+- stop using MANDRIVA_VERSION in %install 
+- rename mandriva-mgaonline.desktop with mageia-mgaonline.desktop 
+- clean Categories in the .desktop file (remove X-Mandriva-* entry) 
+- remove %update_desktop_database and %clean_desktop_database (not used anymore) 
+- remove %update_mime_database and %clean_mime_database (not used anymore) 
+- clean .spec 
+</pre>
+        </span></span>
+    </blockquote>
+    ping?<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120326/00dbe7ee/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120326/00dbe7ee/attachment.html
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--- /dev/null
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@@ -0,0 +1,32 @@
+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 15.03.2012 15:25, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a> wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20120315142541.290560@gmx.com" type="cite"><span
+        style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Hi!<br>
+          <br>
+          Please push mgaonline.<br>
+          <pre class="vc_log"> 
+- new tarball 2.77.32 
+* stop using Mandriva URLs and replace them by <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.mageia.org">www.mageia.org</a> (mga#1590) 
+* replace Mandriva strings by Mageia in gnome-mandrakeonline.desktop 
+* replace MIME Type application/x-mdv-exec by application/x-mga-exec 
+* extend $MGA_YEARS in mgaupdate to 2012 
+* delete MANDRIVA_VERSION variable as not used 
+- replace obsolete drakx-newt with drakxtools-curses 
+- stop using MANDRIVA_VERSION in %install 
+- rename mandriva-mgaonline.desktop with mageia-mgaonline.desktop 
+- clean Categories in the .desktop file (remove X-Mandriva-* entry) 
+- remove %update_desktop_database and %clean_desktop_database (not used anymore) 
+- remove %update_mime_database and %clean_mime_database (not used anymore) 
+- clean .spec 
+</pre>
+        </span></span>
+    </blockquote>
+    ping?<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120326/53dae678/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120326/53dae678/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 23:19,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
+
+
+
+
+<div>
+
+
+<div>
+<dl>
+<dt>Revision</dt> <dd>3800</dd>
+<dt>Author</dt> <dd>tv</dd>
+<dt>Date</dt> <dd>2012-03-26 00:19:25 +0200 (Mon, 26 Mar 2012)</dd>
+</dl>
+
+<h3>Log Message</h3>
+<pre>(plog_init) enable perl_checker to check callers</pre>
+
+<h3>Modified Paths</h3>
+<ul>
+<li><a href="#1364bf1562a5026a_build_systemiurttrunklibIurtUtilpm">build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Util.pm</a></li>
+</ul>
+
+</div>
+<div><pre><a>Modified: build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Util.pm</a>
+===================================================================
+--- build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Util.pm	2012-03-25 20:20:47 UTC (rev 3799)
++++ build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Util.pm	2012-03-25 22:19:25 UTC (rev 3800)
+@@ -67,10 +67,9 @@
+ );
+ 
+ sub plog_init {
+-        $plog_name = shift;
+-        $plog_file = shift;
+-        $plog_level = shift @_ || 9999;
+-        $plog_color = shift @_ || 0;
++        ($plog_name, $plog_file, $o_plog_level, $o_plog_color) = @_;
++        $plog_level ||= 9999;
++        $plog_color ||= 0;
+ 
+ 	$plog_level = 9999 if $ENV{PLOG_DEBUG};
+ 
+<font face="arial"><span style="white-space:normal">
+</span></font></pre></div>
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div>$plog_color / $plog_level should be renamed everywhere
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 23:19,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
+
+
+
+
+<div>
+
+
+<div>
+<dl>
+<dt>Revision</dt> <dd>3800</dd>
+<dt>Author</dt> <dd>tv</dd>
+<dt>Date</dt> <dd>2012-03-26 00:19:25 +0200 (Mon, 26 Mar 2012)</dd>
+</dl>
+
+<h3>Log Message</h3>
+<pre>(plog_init) enable perl_checker to check callers</pre>
+
+<h3>Modified Paths</h3>
+<ul>
+<li><a href="#1364bf1562a5026a_build_systemiurttrunklibIurtUtilpm">build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Util.pm</a></li>
+</ul>
+
+</div>
+<div><pre><a>Modified: build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Util.pm</a>
+===================================================================
+--- build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Util.pm	2012-03-25 20:20:47 UTC (rev 3799)
++++ build_system/iurt/trunk/lib/Iurt/Util.pm	2012-03-25 22:19:25 UTC (rev 3800)
+@@ -67,10 +67,9 @@
+ );
+ 
+ sub plog_init {
+-        $plog_name = shift;
+-        $plog_file = shift;
+-        $plog_level = shift @_ || 9999;
+-        $plog_color = shift @_ || 0;
++        ($plog_name, $plog_file, $o_plog_level, $o_plog_color) = @_;
++        $plog_level ||= 9999;
++        $plog_color ||= 0;
+ 
+ 	$plog_level = 9999 if $ENV{PLOG_DEBUG};
+ 
+<font face="arial"><span style="white-space:normal">
+</span></font></pre></div>
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div>$plog_color / $plog_level should be renamed everywhere
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+<p><br>
+Le 28 mars 2012 12:40, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have a server VM that does not have KDE installed, but it has KDM, ark, and<br>
+&gt; konsole installed.  IceWM is <br>
+the default window manager.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve tested upgrading it to Mageia 2, and all kinds of extra KDE stuff gets<br>
+&gt; pulled in in the upgrade, including task-kde4-minimal, leaving a broken KDE as<br>
+&gt; the default window manager.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not 100% sure, but I think at least some of the reason all kinds of extra<br>
+&gt; stuff gets pulled in is because Default-kde4-config and<br>
+&gt; mageia-kde4-config-common both have added dependencies on plasma applets<br>
+&gt; (plasma-applet-icontasks and plasma-applet-battery, respectively), which<br>
+&gt; certainly seems wrong.  <br>
+Nop, default config use iconstasks so we&#39;ll end up with a broken panel if it was not pulled.</p>
+<p>I don&#39;t know if this accounts for all of the extra stuff<br>
+&gt; getting pulled in.  If I knew for sure, I&#39;d file a bug.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Also, as I alluded to, KDE installed with task-kde4-minimal is a bit broken.<br>
+&gt; Some issues include no showdesktop widget being installed, and as soon as you<br>
+&gt; log in, an error message:<br>
+&gt; Warning: Cannot open ConsoleKit session: Unable to open session: Failed to<br>
+&gt; connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Not sure if this is related, but when you don&#39;t have a sound device, Kmix in the<br>
+&gt; system tray has a missing icon.</p>
+<p>Under kde session ? Could you add a screenshot ?</p>
+<p>&gt; Finally, even on a workstation installation with full KDE, there is some error<br>
+&gt; message that briefly displays at the top of the screen after you log in, but not<br>
+&gt; long enough to read it.  It looks like something about power management.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+You should add somewhere thoses logs (bugzilla).<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 28 mars 2012 12:40, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have a server VM that does not have KDE installed, but it has KDM, ark, and<br>
+&gt; konsole installed.  IceWM is <br>
+the default window manager.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve tested upgrading it to Mageia 2, and all kinds of extra KDE stuff gets<br>
+&gt; pulled in in the upgrade, including task-kde4-minimal, leaving a broken KDE as<br>
+&gt; the default window manager.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not 100% sure, but I think at least some of the reason all kinds of extra<br>
+&gt; stuff gets pulled in is because Default-kde4-config and<br>
+&gt; mageia-kde4-config-common both have added dependencies on plasma applets<br>
+&gt; (plasma-applet-icontasks and plasma-applet-battery, respectively), which<br>
+&gt; certainly seems wrong.  <br>
+Nop, default config use iconstasks so we&#39;ll end up with a broken panel if it was not pulled.</p>
+<p>I don&#39;t know if this accounts for all of the extra stuff<br>
+&gt; getting pulled in.  If I knew for sure, I&#39;d file a bug.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Also, as I alluded to, KDE installed with task-kde4-minimal is a bit broken.<br>
+&gt; Some issues include no showdesktop widget being installed, and as soon as you<br>
+&gt; log in, an error message:<br>
+&gt; Warning: Cannot open ConsoleKit session: Unable to open session: Failed to<br>
+&gt; connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Not sure if this is related, but when you don&#39;t have a sound device, Kmix in the<br>
+&gt; system tray has a missing icon.</p>
+<p>Under kde session ? Could you add a screenshot ?</p>
+<p>&gt; Finally, even on a workstation installation with full KDE, there is some error<br>
+&gt; message that briefly displays at the top of the screen after you log in, but not<br>
+&gt; long enough to read it.  It looks like something about power management.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+You should add somewhere thoses logs (bugzilla).<br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 19:47, David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+It was updated for a security update in Mageia 1 but was not updated in<br>
+Cauldron, so it won&#39;t currently be updated when upgrading to Mageia 2.<br>
+<br>
+The new version fixes usage with PHP 5.3.9 and newer.  I confirmed locally<br>
+that it builds, installs, and works properly.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>It seems to break abi so php-mbstring needs at least to be rebuilt</div><div><br></div><div><div>PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library &#39;/usr/lib/php/extensions/mbstring.so&#39; - /usr/lib/php/extensions/mbstring.so: undefined symbol: mbfl_identify_encoding_no in Unknown on line 0</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 19:47, David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+It was updated for a security update in Mageia 1 but was not updated in<br>
+Cauldron, so it won&#39;t currently be updated when upgrading to Mageia 2.<br>
+<br>
+The new version fixes usage with PHP 5.3.9 and newer.  I confirmed locally<br>
+that it builds, installs, and works properly.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>It seems to break abi so php-mbstring needs at least to be rebuilt</div><div><br></div><div><div>PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library &#39;/usr/lib/php/extensions/mbstring.so&#39; - /usr/lib/php/extensions/mbstring.so: undefined symbol: mbfl_identify_encoding_no in Unknown on line 0</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<p><br>
+Le 28 mars 2012 02:35, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; According to [1], it is tagged at March 29, and released in April 3,<br>
+&gt; which is 5 days earlier than our release freeze at Apri 7.</p>
+<p>Please note that Qt 4.8.1 is also out with several bugs fixes ( especially some crash).<br>
+Qtwebkit should also be checked </p>
+<p>Side note : I should be back probably around June &amp; not August ( yep still too late for helping for mga2 release)<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 28 mars 2012 02:35, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; According to [1], it is tagged at March 29, and released in April 3,<br>
+&gt; which is 5 days earlier than our release freeze at Apri 7.</p>
+<p>Please note that Qt 4.8.1 is also out with several bugs fixes ( especially some crash).<br>
+Qtwebkit should also be checked </p>
+<p>Side note : I should be back probably around June &amp; not August ( yep still too late for helping for mga2 release)<br>
+</p>
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+Maybe we should wait massive updates for 4.8.2<br><br>在 2012年3月28日星期三，David Walser &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; David Walser wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; This is part of KDE 4.8.1 and was missed in the update.  It builds, installs,<br>
+&gt;&gt; and works fine.  printer-applet-4.8.1-1.mga2<br>&gt;<br>&gt; To be clear, this is part of mainline KDE (which we&#39;re supposed to be updating to 4.8.1 for Mageia<br>&gt; 2).  It is not some third-party app.  It lives here with the rest of KDE:<br>
+&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.8.1/src/">ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.8.1/src/</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;
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+Maybe we should wait massive updates for 4.8.2<br><br>在 2012年3月28日星期三，David Walser &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; David Walser wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; This is part of KDE 4.8.1 and was missed in the update.  It builds, installs,<br>
+&gt;&gt; and works fine.  printer-applet-4.8.1-1.mga2<br>&gt;<br>&gt; To be clear, this is part of mainline KDE (which we&#39;re supposed to be updating to 4.8.1 for Mageia<br>&gt; 2).  It is not some third-party app.  It lives here with the rest of KDE:<br>
+&gt; <a href="ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.8.1/src/">ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.8.1/src/</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:32, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+i removed java sun from non free repository as now we are not able to<br>
+provide it anymore.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can&#39;t it be put into the tainted/PLF sort of repository?</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br>
+
+</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:32, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+i removed java sun from non free repository as now we are not able to<br>
+provide it anymore.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can&#39;t it be put into the tainted/PLF sort of repository?</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br>
+
+</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 21:23, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Op donderdag 29 maart 2012 21:08:22 schreef David Walser:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Guillaume Rousse &lt;guillomovitch@...&gt; writes:<br>
+&gt; &gt; If I want to keep a proprietary JRE on my computers, because I trust it<br>
+&gt; &gt; more to run crap proprietary applications (also called<br>
+&gt; &gt; corporate-compliants), than marvelous free-licensed environment they<br>
+&gt; &gt; have never been tested with, that is my choice, not yours.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If they really want to keep Sun Java, shouldn&#39;t they just download the<br>
+&gt; installer from Sun and install it themselves, rather than using some<br>
+&gt; obsolete Mageia 1 package of it?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>well, iinm the version that the people have, will still have the correct<br>
+license and we are able to distribute it fine.<br>
+<br>
+i would argue that if security bugs we could remove it, but i&#39;m not too sure<br>
+on this point... i mean, can we really remove it from them? otoh, people<br>
+wanting to have the proprietary ones, likely know what they are doing...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Critical-Java-hole-being-exploited-on-a-large-scale-Update-1485681.html">http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Critical-Java-hole-being-exploited-on-a-large-scale-Update-1485681.html</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>If people want it they should install the fixed version that we are not allowed to distribute</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+perhaps we can obsolete it with one of those nonfree getters? (if security<br>
+bug)<br>
+<br>
+or, maybe a package that gives an README.urpmi ...<br>
+<br>
+IMHO: i think obsoleting it is fine, but with a README.urpmi that says notifies<br>
+that it&#39;s been obsoleted.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes that seems the best solution to me</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+(unless someone wants to have and maintain a nonfree getter application that<br>
+fetches the upstream releases)<br>
+<br>
+we really shouldn&#39;t keep stuff we can&#39;t maintain...<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 21:23, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Op donderdag 29 maart 2012 21:08:22 schreef David Walser:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Guillaume Rousse &lt;guillomovitch@...&gt; writes:<br>
+&gt; &gt; If I want to keep a proprietary JRE on my computers, because I trust it<br>
+&gt; &gt; more to run crap proprietary applications (also called<br>
+&gt; &gt; corporate-compliants), than marvelous free-licensed environment they<br>
+&gt; &gt; have never been tested with, that is my choice, not yours.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If they really want to keep Sun Java, shouldn&#39;t they just download the<br>
+&gt; installer from Sun and install it themselves, rather than using some<br>
+&gt; obsolete Mageia 1 package of it?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>well, iinm the version that the people have, will still have the correct<br>
+license and we are able to distribute it fine.<br>
+<br>
+i would argue that if security bugs we could remove it, but i&#39;m not too sure<br>
+on this point... i mean, can we really remove it from them? otoh, people<br>
+wanting to have the proprietary ones, likely know what they are doing...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Critical-Java-hole-being-exploited-on-a-large-scale-Update-1485681.html">http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Critical-Java-hole-being-exploited-on-a-large-scale-Update-1485681.html</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>If people want it they should install the fixed version that we are not allowed to distribute</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+perhaps we can obsolete it with one of those nonfree getters? (if security<br>
+bug)<br>
+<br>
+or, maybe a package that gives an README.urpmi ...<br>
+<br>
+IMHO: i think obsoleting it is fine, but with a README.urpmi that says notifies<br>
+that it&#39;s been obsoleted.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes that seems the best solution to me</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+(unless someone wants to have and maintain a nonfree getter application that<br>
+fetches the upstream releases)<br>
+<br>
+we really shouldn&#39;t keep stuff we can&#39;t maintain...<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:22, Robert Fox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div>
+On a similar note, what ever happened to a standard PDF printer setup in<br>
+the mcc (printerdrake is gone I believe) . . .  When I choose set up<br>
+printers, I can only add physical and networked printers, but no option<br>
+to add a PDF printer.  It was very helpful to have a generic PDF printer<br>
+driver setup as a virtual printer (like PDFcreator)<br>
+<br>
+Anyway, I digress . . . . Thanks again.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think Gtk apps have had the Print to File choice in the list of printers for a few years</div></div>
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+On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:22, Robert Fox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div>
+On a similar note, what ever happened to a standard PDF printer setup in<br>
+the mcc (printerdrake is gone I believe) . . .  When I choose set up<br>
+printers, I can only add physical and networked printers, but no option<br>
+to add a PDF printer.  It was very helpful to have a generic PDF printer<br>
+driver setup as a virtual printer (like PDFcreator)<br>
+<br>
+Anyway, I digress . . . . Thanks again.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think Gtk apps have had the Print to File choice in the list of printers for a few years</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 10:59, Robert Fox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Just a quick question to the experts out there . . .<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This would probably be better on -discuss than -dev</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+I have an HP J5780 All-in-One device - and use the HP Device Manager<br>
+software under Mageia -  When I scan a document into a PDF, the<br>
+converted document is rather large (5MB) in comparison to the same<br>
+document scanned under Windows 7 and the HP scan-to-PDF feature (465Kb)<br>
+-  Just wanted to know why is this and can I influence how compressed or<br>
+compact the PDF document is under Cauldron?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do you scan at the same resolution? </div><div>The best compression would be to use OCR to get text instead of images but I wouldn&#39;t trust it to be accurate</div>
+
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I used to scan with &quot;Acquire Images&quot; or XSane and then paste the scanned<br>
+graphic into a LibreOffice document and then create a PDF directly or<br>
+use ps2pdf14 to convert a &quot;print to file&quot; postscript output to PDF<br>
+(which results in a comparatively small PDF)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why not generating a PDF directly from XSane?</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 10:59, Robert Fox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Just a quick question to the experts out there . . .<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This would probably be better on -discuss than -dev</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+I have an HP J5780 All-in-One device - and use the HP Device Manager<br>
+software under Mageia -  When I scan a document into a PDF, the<br>
+converted document is rather large (5MB) in comparison to the same<br>
+document scanned under Windows 7 and the HP scan-to-PDF feature (465Kb)<br>
+-  Just wanted to know why is this and can I influence how compressed or<br>
+compact the PDF document is under Cauldron?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do you scan at the same resolution? </div><div>The best compression would be to use OCR to get text instead of images but I wouldn&#39;t trust it to be accurate</div>
+
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I used to scan with &quot;Acquire Images&quot; or XSane and then paste the scanned<br>
+graphic into a LibreOffice document and then create a PDF directly or<br>
+use ps2pdf14 to convert a &quot;print to file&quot; postscript output to PDF<br>
+(which results in a comparatively small PDF)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why not generating a PDF directly from XSane?</div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Please kindly push fwbuilder, it fixes many iptables compillations issues and it reports itself that there is a new update.<br>Complete changelog is here<br><a href="http://www.fwbuilder.org/4.0/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html#5.0">http://www.fwbuilder.org/4.0/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html#5.0</a><br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Please kindly push fwbuilder, it fixes many iptables compillations issues and it reports itself that there is a new update.<br>Complete changelog is here<br><a href="http://www.fwbuilder.org/4.0/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html#5.0">http://www.fwbuilder.org/4.0/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html#5.0</a><br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div></body></html>

diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120401/5bed6ce6/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120401/5bed6ce6/attachment-0001.html
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Dont drop it.&#160; Im fixing it in laptop. Seems that it compiles, more than 2 hrs working<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font><br><br></div>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;juancho@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>dom, abr 1, 2012 21:49:26 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] dropping mysql-workbench<br><br></div>On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Remco Rijnders <remco@webconquest.com> wrote:<br>> Not arguing about this... but I think the attached patch fixes at least<br>> (part) of the build problem (for the new maintainer to look into ;-)<br>><br>> See also <a href="http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=63898">http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=63898</a><br>><br>><br><br>Yup I found that too, now I'm dealing with other error.<br><br><br>-- <br>Juancho<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Dont drop it.&#160; Im fixing it in laptop. Seems that it compiles, more than 2 hrs working<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font><br><br></div>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;juancho@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>dom, abr 1, 2012 21:49:26 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] dropping mysql-workbench<br><br></div>On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Remco Rijnders <remco@webconquest.com> wrote:<br>> Not arguing about this... but I think the attached patch fixes at least<br>> (part) of the build problem (for the new maintainer to look into ;-)<br>><br>> See also <a href="http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=63898">http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=63898</a><br>><br>><br><br>Yup I found that too, now I'm dealing with other error.<br><br><br>-- <br>Juancho<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Will look for you in irc, i fixed without that patch<br><br>Whats your nickname?<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;juancho@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>lun, abr 2, 2012 01:09:39 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] dropping mysql-workbench<br><br></div>On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz<br><dlucio@okay.com.mx> wrote:<br>> Dont drop it.  Im fixing it in laptop. Seems that it compiles, more than 2<br>> hrs working<br>><br><br>Don't worry, I've working on it since yesterday and almost have it<br>ready, it already builds, it just needs some little fixes and it's<br>ready.<br><br><br>-- <br>Juancho<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Will look for you in irc, i fixed without that patch<br><br>Whats your nickname?<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;juancho@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>lun, abr 2, 2012 01:09:39 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] dropping mysql-workbench<br><br></div>On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz<br><dlucio@okay.com.mx> wrote:<br>> Dont drop it.  Im fixing it in laptop. Seems that it compiles, more than 2<br>> hrs working<br>><br><br>Don't worry, I've working on it since yesterday and almost have it<br>ready, it already builds, it just needs some little fixes and it's<br>ready.<br><br><br>-- <br>Juancho<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<div>I rsynced / of my machine to a chroot and tried to update to cauldron.</div><div>This is a machine which has been running cooker x86_64 since April 2005 and was updated to Mageia 1.</div><div>It went mostly fine.</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>- pscs-tools + perl-pcsc-perl from Mandriva got removed due to new perl (I pepared the packages but no svn currently)</div>
+<div><br></div>- cups-drivers-foo2zjs was uninstalled due to missing /usr/bin/wish. So did, printer-filters (because of cups-drivers-foo2zjs)<div><br></div><div><div>- While dracut was running, it displayed plenty of libkmod: index_mm_open: major version check fail: 65537 instead of 2953311319</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div>- /usr/bin/gnome-font-viewer, /usr/bin/gnome-thumbnail-font and /usr/share/applications/gnome-font-viewer.desktop from gnome-font-viewer-3.4.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with gnome-control-center-2.32.1-3.mga1.x86_64. I will fix it when svn is reachable.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Given that this is a chroot I could not try to boot it.</div><div>I may try on / soon but don&#39;t want to take any risk given than I don&#39;t have any monitor at home if something goes wrong :)</div>
+
+
+
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+<div>I rsynced / of my machine to a chroot and tried to update to cauldron.</div><div>This is a machine which has been running cooker x86_64 since April 2005 and was updated to Mageia 1.</div><div>It went mostly fine.</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>- pscs-tools + perl-pcsc-perl from Mandriva got removed due to new perl (I pepared the packages but no svn currently)</div>
+<div><br></div>- cups-drivers-foo2zjs was uninstalled due to missing /usr/bin/wish. So did, printer-filters (because of cups-drivers-foo2zjs)<div><br></div><div><div>- While dracut was running, it displayed plenty of libkmod: index_mm_open: major version check fail: 65537 instead of 2953311319</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div>- /usr/bin/gnome-font-viewer, /usr/bin/gnome-thumbnail-font and /usr/share/applications/gnome-font-viewer.desktop from gnome-font-viewer-3.4.0-1.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with gnome-control-center-2.32.1-3.mga1.x86_64. I will fix it when svn is reachable.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Given that this is a chroot I could not try to boot it.</div><div>I may try on / soon but don&#39;t want to take any risk given than I don&#39;t have any monitor at home if something goes wrong :)</div>
+
+
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:35, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Le 02/04/2012 10:37, Thierry Vignaud a écrit :<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please make arch-independent-package-<u></u>contains-binary-or-object a<br>
+reason to reject<br>
+packages at upload time:<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+The rule need some subtle exceptions. For instance, some pentest tools such as metasploit are arch-independant, but contains native code to be executed on remote systems.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>
+</font></span></blockquote><div>I believe we should not care if some data in /usr/share looks like binary or object (that would allow doing awful things like unimrcp-deps but it was not rejected anyway...)</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:35, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Le 02/04/2012 10:37, Thierry Vignaud a écrit :<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please make arch-independent-package-<u></u>contains-binary-or-object a<br>
+reason to reject<br>
+packages at upload time:<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+The rule need some subtle exceptions. For instance, some pentest tools such as metasploit are arch-independant, but contains native code to be executed on remote systems.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>
+</font></span></blockquote><div>I believe we should not care if some data in /usr/share looks like binary or object (that would allow doing awful things like unimrcp-deps but it was not rejected anyway...)</div></div>
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+serf was updated to 1.0.0 in svn but did not build<div>I fixed the build because current serf (0.7.2) needs to be rebuilt for removal of <a href="http://libexpat.la">libexpat.la</a> but I have no idea if this is safe to upload the new version or if I should revert the update to 1.0.0 in svn</div>
+
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+serf was updated to 1.0.0 in svn but did not build<div>I fixed the build because current serf (0.7.2) needs to be rebuilt for removal of <a href="http://libexpat.la">libexpat.la</a> but I have no idea if this is safe to upload the new version or if I should revert the update to 1.0.0 in svn</div>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 08:01, dlucio <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Name        : unimrcp-deps                 Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 1.1.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Sun Mar 25 08:59:32 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://ecosse.mageia.org" target="_blank">ecosse.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : System/Libraries              Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 5190147                          License: Apache<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://unimrcp.org" target="_blank">http://unimrcp.org</a><br>
+Summary     : Media Resource Control Protocol Stack<br>
+Description :<br>
+UniMRCP depends on a number of third party tools and libraries, which are<br>
+required and must be installed first. Alternatively, the original packages<br>
+of APR, APR-Util and Sofia-SIP libraries and patches for them<br>
+can be downloaded from <a href="http://www.unimrcp.org/dependencies/" target="_blank">http://www.unimrcp.org/dependencies/</a><br>
+<br>
+dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1.1.0-1.mga2:<br>
++ Revision: 226306<br>
+- imported package unimrcp-deps</blockquote></div><br><div>This package looks very wrong</div><div>It builds some libraries and then puts them in /usr/share/unimrcp-deps/ which should be noarch</div><div>Then unimrcp uses those libs instead of the system ones</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><div>$ ls /usr/share/unimrcp-deps/lib/</div><div>apr.exp      libapr-1.a    libapr-1.so@    libapr-1.so.0.4.2*  <a href="http://libaprutil-1.la">libaprutil-1.la</a>*  libaprutil-1.so.0@       libsofia-sip-ua.a    libsofia-sip-ua.so@    libsofia-sip-ua.so.0.6.0*</div>
+
+<div>aprutil.exp  <a href="http://libapr-1.la">libapr-1.la</a>*  libapr-1.so.0@  libaprutil-1.a      libaprutil-1.so@  libaprutil-1.so.0.3.10*  <a href="http://libsofia-sip-ua.la">libsofia-sip-ua.la</a>*  libsofia-sip-ua.so.0@  pkgconfig/</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 08:01, dlucio <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Name        : unimrcp-deps                 Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 1.1.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Sun Mar 25 08:59:32 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://ecosse.mageia.org" target="_blank">ecosse.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : System/Libraries              Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 5190147                          License: Apache<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://unimrcp.org" target="_blank">http://unimrcp.org</a><br>
+Summary     : Media Resource Control Protocol Stack<br>
+Description :<br>
+UniMRCP depends on a number of third party tools and libraries, which are<br>
+required and must be installed first. Alternatively, the original packages<br>
+of APR, APR-Util and Sofia-SIP libraries and patches for them<br>
+can be downloaded from <a href="http://www.unimrcp.org/dependencies/" target="_blank">http://www.unimrcp.org/dependencies/</a><br>
+<br>
+dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1.1.0-1.mga2:<br>
++ Revision: 226306<br>
+- imported package unimrcp-deps</blockquote></div><br><div>This package looks very wrong</div><div>It builds some libraries and then puts them in /usr/share/unimrcp-deps/ which should be noarch</div><div>Then unimrcp uses those libs instead of the system ones</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><div>$ ls /usr/share/unimrcp-deps/lib/</div><div>apr.exp      libapr-1.a    libapr-1.so@    libapr-1.so.0.4.2*  <a href="http://libaprutil-1.la">libaprutil-1.la</a>*  libaprutil-1.so.0@       libsofia-sip-ua.a    libsofia-sip-ua.so@    libsofia-sip-ua.so.0.6.0*</div>
+
+<div>aprutil.exp  <a href="http://libapr-1.la">libapr-1.la</a>*  libapr-1.so.0@  libaprutil-1.a      libaprutil-1.so@  libaprutil-1.so.0.3.10*  <a href="http://libsofia-sip-ua.la">libsofia-sip-ua.la</a>*  libsofia-sip-ua.so.0@  pkgconfig/</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I know, thats why im asking this push<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Maarten Vanraes &lt;alien@rmail.be&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Enviado: </b>lun, abr 2, 2012 15:09:03 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] Please push fwbuilder<br><br></div>Op maandag 02 april 2012 03:07:35 schreef Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz:<br>> Please kindly push fwbuilder, it fixes many iptables compillations issues<br>> and it reports itself that there is a new update. Complete changelog is<br>> here<br>> <a href="http://www.fwbuilder.org/4.0/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html#5.0">http://www.fwbuilder.org/4.0/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html#5.0</a><br>> <br>> Enviado desde mi teléfono Verizon Wireless<br><br>fwbuilder is irritating in the fact that if someone has edited with a newer <br>version, the .fwb file is upgraded and you need that version or more to open it <br>again...<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I know, thats why im asking this push<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Maarten Vanraes &lt;alien@rmail.be&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>mageia-dev@mageia.org<b><br>Enviado: </b>lun, abr 2, 2012 15:09:03 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] Please push fwbuilder<br><br></div>Op maandag 02 april 2012 03:07:35 schreef Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz:<br>> Please kindly push fwbuilder, it fixes many iptables compillations issues<br>> and it reports itself that there is a new update. Complete changelog is<br>> here<br>> <a href="http://www.fwbuilder.org/4.0/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html#5.0">http://www.fwbuilder.org/4.0/docs/firewall_builder_release_notes.html#5.0</a><br>> <br>> Enviado desde mi teléfono Verizon Wireless<br><br>fwbuilder is irritating in the fact that if someone has edited with a newer <br>version, the .fwb file is upgraded and you need that version or more to open it <br>again...<br>Email Shield provided by <a href="NOCWorldWide.com">NOCWorldWide.com</a><br></blockquote></body></html>

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+[From nobody Mon Apr  2 20:50:30 2012
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+In 3.3.92 and later gnome-keyring-daemon uses g_get_user_runtime_dir ()
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+used /tmp.
+
+At the point when gnome-keyring-daemon is started from PAM,
+$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR environment variable should be set. The way to do this
+is to have its 'session' PAM  directive come late in the /etc/pam.d/gdm
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+https://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Pam
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+In 3.3.92 and later gnome-keyring-daemon uses g_get_user_runtime_dir ()
+to determine the directory where to place its sockets [1]. Previously it
+used /tmp.
+
+At the point when gnome-keyring-daemon is started from PAM,
+$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR environment variable should be set. The way to do this
+is to have its 'session' PAM  directive come late in the /etc/pam.d/gdm
+file [2]. In particular, after pam_systemd.so or other modules that
+setup the environment.
+
+This is relevant for GNOME packagers. More info about the PAM module:
+
+https://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Pam
+
+Cheers,
+
+Stef
+
+[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=646389
+
+[2] Example fix: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=574543
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+As every 6 months, the Telepathy team branched its most important
+components and rolled a bunch of stable releases. We recommend to
+distributions shipping GNOME 3.4 to update to these versions:
+
+* telepathy-glib 0.18.0
+http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2012-April/006040.html
+
+* telepathy-gabble 0.16.0
+http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2012-April/006041.html
+
+* telepathy-mission-control 5.12.0
+http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2012-April/006042.html
+
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+
+
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+
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+As every 6 months, the Telepathy team branched its most important
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+distributions shipping GNOME 3.4 to update to these versions:
+
+* telepathy-glib 0.18.0
+http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2012-April/006040.html
+
+* telepathy-gabble 0.16.0
+http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2012-April/006041.html
+
+* telepathy-mission-control 5.12.0
+http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2012-April/006042.html
+
+
+
+Regards,
+
+
+
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120403/d8031d19/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120403/d8031d19/attachment-0001.html
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--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120403/d8031d19/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 13:10, Robert Fox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+I have a Thinkpad x220 notebook running latest Cauldron in KDE.<br>
+When I close the lid, the system goes to sleep mode - and it awakes<br>
+fine.  If I close the lid again, the system will not sleep.  When I<br>
+choose logout, turn off computer and then &quot;sleep to ram&quot; it also doesn&#39;t<br>
+do anything.  So the suspend operation only can be done once, then I<br>
+have to reboot to reset it.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Does it also fail if you run pm-suspend manually?</div><div>Anything in the logs?</div><div><br></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120403/d8031d19/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120403/d8031d19/attachment.html
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index 000000000..627ebd92f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120403/d8031d19/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 13:10, Robert Fox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+I have a Thinkpad x220 notebook running latest Cauldron in KDE.<br>
+When I close the lid, the system goes to sleep mode - and it awakes<br>
+fine.  If I close the lid again, the system will not sleep.  When I<br>
+choose logout, turn off computer and then &quot;sleep to ram&quot; it also doesn&#39;t<br>
+do anything.  So the suspend operation only can be done once, then I<br>
+have to reboot to reset it.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Does it also fail if you run pm-suspend manually?</div><div>Anything in the logs?</div><div><br></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/10caec9d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/10caec9d/attachment-0001.html
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index 000000000..beef548d9
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/10caec9d/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 09:10, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 4 April 2012 10:09, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Request Core instead of Main when using --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; To be moved in some config file?<br>
+&gt;&gt; And documented.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yeah I added a FIXME :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>No :-)<br>
+I meant documenting in the basic conf file provided with iurt what<br>
+a new distro would have to configure (default media name, ...)<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div>I mean, I added a FIXME to take care of it :)<div><br></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/10caec9d/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/10caec9d/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..beef548d9
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/10caec9d/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 09:10, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 4 April 2012 10:09, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Request Core instead of Main when using --distrib<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; To be moved in some config file?<br>
+&gt;&gt; And documented.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yeah I added a FIXME :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>No :-)<br>
+I meant documenting in the basic conf file provided with iurt what<br>
+a new distro would have to configure (default media name, ...)<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div>I mean, I added a FIXME to take care of it :)<div><br></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f5fa7c475
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 14:40, Anssi Hannula <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anssi@mageia.org">anssi@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Yes (it has always been like that). Feel free to fix <a href="http://bootloader.pm" target="_blank">bootloader.pm</a> to<br>
+not do it. Note, however, that you can&#39;t simply skip symlinks there as<br>
+the initrd.img symlink may also be the only initrd in bootloader config.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>What about this (untested)? </div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment-0001.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0fab4a60a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment-0001.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,22 @@
+Index: bootloader.pm
+===================================================================
+--- bootloader.pm	(revision 3913)
++++ bootloader.pm	(working copy)
+@@ -161,9 +161,16 @@
+ sub update_splash {
+     my ($bootloader) = @_;
+ 
++    my %real_initrd_entries;
+     foreach (@{$bootloader->{entries}}) {
+-	add_boot_splash($_->{initrd}, $_->{vga} || $bootloader->{vga}) if $_->{initrd};
++	if ($_->{initrd}) {
++	    my $initrd = expand_symlinks;
++	    $real_initrd_entries[$initrd] = $_;
++	}
+     }
++    foreach (values %real_initrd_entries) {
++	add_boot_splash($_->{initrd}, $_->{vga} || $bootloader->{vga});
++    }
+ }
+ 
+ sub read {
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f5fa7c475
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 14:40, Anssi Hannula <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anssi@mageia.org">anssi@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Yes (it has always been like that). Feel free to fix <a href="http://bootloader.pm" target="_blank">bootloader.pm</a> to<br>
+not do it. Note, however, that you can&#39;t simply skip symlinks there as<br>
+the initrd.img symlink may also be the only initrd in bootloader config.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>What about this (untested)? </div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0fab4a60a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/32fe00a8/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,22 @@
+Index: bootloader.pm
+===================================================================
+--- bootloader.pm	(revision 3913)
++++ bootloader.pm	(working copy)
+@@ -161,9 +161,16 @@
+ sub update_splash {
+     my ($bootloader) = @_;
+ 
++    my %real_initrd_entries;
+     foreach (@{$bootloader->{entries}}) {
+-	add_boot_splash($_->{initrd}, $_->{vga} || $bootloader->{vga}) if $_->{initrd};
++	if ($_->{initrd}) {
++	    my $initrd = expand_symlinks;
++	    $real_initrd_entries[$initrd] = $_;
++	}
+     }
++    foreach (values %real_initrd_entries) {
++	add_boot_splash($_->{initrd}, $_->{vga} || $bootloader->{vga});
++    }
+ }
+ 
+ sub read {
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/52752ee2/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/52752ee2/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..eda14fa19
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/52752ee2/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 09:02, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 2 April 2012 12:56,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 3888 Author pterjan Date 2012-04-02 12:56:26 +0200 (Mon, 02 Apr<br>
+&gt; 2012)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Request Core instead of Main when using --distrib<br>
+<br>
+</div>To be moved in some config file?<br>
+And documented.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Yeah I added a FIXME :)</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/52752ee2/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/52752ee2/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..eda14fa19
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/52752ee2/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 09:02, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 2 April 2012 12:56,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 3888 Author pterjan Date 2012-04-02 12:56:26 +0200 (Mon, 02 Apr<br>
+&gt; 2012)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Request Core instead of Main when using --distrib<br>
+<br>
+</div>To be moved in some config file?<br>
+And documented.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Yeah I added a FIXME :)</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/5432bb56/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/5432bb56/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..68c8c6380
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/5432bb56/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@
+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">could all who possess a DVB-receiver and a physical cauldron<br>
+installation please test it, should be available soon, rebuild went<br>
+through.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Very good, I&#39;m waiting for the rebuild and will start with testing.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Project page: <a href="https://launchpad.net/me-tv" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/me-tv</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Thanks in advance.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/5432bb56/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/5432bb56/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..68c8c6380
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/5432bb56/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@
+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">could all who possess a DVB-receiver and a physical cauldron<br>
+installation please test it, should be available soon, rebuild went<br>
+through.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Very good, I&#39;m waiting for the rebuild and will start with testing.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Project page: <a href="https://launchpad.net/me-tv" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/me-tv</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Thanks in advance.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/d21fc6fd/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/d21fc6fd/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..2a774f30b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/d21fc6fd/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,23 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 09:01, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 4 April 2012 01:01,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 3909 Author pterjan Date 2012-04-04 01:01:59 +0200 (Wed, 04 Apr<br>
+&gt; 2012)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Drop check_chroot<br>
+<br>
+</div>A minor comment: it hasn&#39;t actually been dropped<br>
+I think a better changelog would have been:<br>
+<br>
+&quot;(check_chroot) merge it in check_build_chroot()&quot;<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Indeed, I&#39;ll improve log messages</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Also, you didn&#39;t comment the call to create_build_chroot() instead<br>
+of to create_chroot().<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Indeed, this was an extension of the change I amended before commit when I noticed the call with those options that I was moving had a dedicated function.</div><div>
+
+I should probably have done another commit</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Not that it matters a lot since create_build_chroot() got killed a little<br>
+later but it would make history easier to read in 6 months (which it<br>
+is already not for previous years :-( )<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/d21fc6fd/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/d21fc6fd/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..2a774f30b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120404/d21fc6fd/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,23 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 09:01, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 4 April 2012 01:01,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 3909 Author pterjan Date 2012-04-04 01:01:59 +0200 (Wed, 04 Apr<br>
+&gt; 2012)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Drop check_chroot<br>
+<br>
+</div>A minor comment: it hasn&#39;t actually been dropped<br>
+I think a better changelog would have been:<br>
+<br>
+&quot;(check_chroot) merge it in check_build_chroot()&quot;<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Indeed, I&#39;ll improve log messages</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Also, you didn&#39;t comment the call to create_build_chroot() instead<br>
+of to create_chroot().<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Indeed, this was an extension of the change I amended before commit when I noticed the call with those options that I was moving had a dedicated function.</div><div>
+
+I should probably have done another commit</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Not that it matters a lot since create_build_chroot() got killed a little<br>
+later but it would make history easier to read in 6 months (which it<br>
+is already not for previous years :-( )<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/9fb53a02/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/9fb53a02/attachment-0001.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..c9bb54c4b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/9fb53a02/attachment-0001.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+diff --git a/perl-install/bootloader.pm b/perl-install/bootloader.pm
+index 1613cd0..51ebb1f 100644
+--- a/perl-install/bootloader.pm
++++ b/perl-install/bootloader.pm
+@@ -161,8 +161,15 @@ sub add_boot_splash {
+ sub update_splash {
+     my ($bootloader) = @_;
+ 
++    my %real_initrd_entries;
+     foreach (@{$bootloader->{entries}}) {
+-	add_boot_splash($_->{initrd}, $_->{vga} || $bootloader->{vga}) if $_->{initrd};
++	if ($_->{initrd}) {
++	    my $initrd = expand_symlinks($_->{initrd});
++	    $real_initrd_entries{$initrd} = $_;
++	}
++    }
++    foreach (values %real_initrd_entries) {
++	add_boot_splash($_->{initrd}, $_->{vga} || $bootloader->{vga});
+     }
+ }
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/9fb53a02/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/9fb53a02/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..c9bb54c4b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/9fb53a02/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+diff --git a/perl-install/bootloader.pm b/perl-install/bootloader.pm
+index 1613cd0..51ebb1f 100644
+--- a/perl-install/bootloader.pm
++++ b/perl-install/bootloader.pm
+@@ -161,8 +161,15 @@ sub add_boot_splash {
+ sub update_splash {
+     my ($bootloader) = @_;
+ 
++    my %real_initrd_entries;
+     foreach (@{$bootloader->{entries}}) {
+-	add_boot_splash($_->{initrd}, $_->{vga} || $bootloader->{vga}) if $_->{initrd};
++	if ($_->{initrd}) {
++	    my $initrd = expand_symlinks($_->{initrd});
++	    $real_initrd_entries{$initrd} = $_;
++	}
++    }
++    foreach (values %real_initrd_entries) {
++	add_boot_splash($_->{initrd}, $_->{vga} || $bootloader->{vga});
+     }
+ }
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/bc3e3c01/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/bc3e3c01/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..67f73af72
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/bc3e3c01/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,17 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 00:13, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 4 April 2012 21:21, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Yes (it has always been like that). Feel free to fix <a href="http://bootloader.pm" target="_blank">bootloader.pm</a> to<br>
+&gt;&gt; not do it. Note, however, that you can&#39;t simply skip symlinks there as<br>
+&gt;&gt; the initrd.img symlink may also be the only initrd in bootloader config.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What about this (untested)?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, you didn&#39;t run perl_checker, so:<br>
+- you&#39;re trying to use the hash as a table, but using a filename as an index<br>
+- you don&#39;t actually expand any symlink<br>
+<br>
+Still needs to be tested:<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>I wrote it in a few minutes while waiting for the packager meeting to start, it was just an idea I could have written pseudo code :)</div><div>If it seems correct I&#39;ll write some working code</div>
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/bc3e3c01/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/bc3e3c01/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..67f73af72
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/bc3e3c01/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,17 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 00:13, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 4 April 2012 21:21, Pascal Terjan &lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Yes (it has always been like that). Feel free to fix <a href="http://bootloader.pm" target="_blank">bootloader.pm</a> to<br>
+&gt;&gt; not do it. Note, however, that you can&#39;t simply skip symlinks there as<br>
+&gt;&gt; the initrd.img symlink may also be the only initrd in bootloader config.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What about this (untested)?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, you didn&#39;t run perl_checker, so:<br>
+- you&#39;re trying to use the hash as a table, but using a filename as an index<br>
+- you don&#39;t actually expand any symlink<br>
+<br>
+Still needs to be tested:<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>I wrote it in a few minutes while waiting for the packager meeting to start, it was just an idea I could have written pseudo code :)</div><div>If it seems correct I&#39;ll write some working code</div>
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/cdbfae03/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/cdbfae03/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f9a63b734
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/cdbfae03/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,23 @@
+<p>Le 5 avr. 2012 07:34, &quot;Frank Griffin&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt; a écrit :</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 04/02/2012 10:14 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Rebooting does it - resets the volume level to 1%.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; While it /shouldn&#39;t/ matter, can you *untick* the options in kmix<br>
+&gt;&gt; related to saving/restoring the volumes and see if that helps?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mixer -&gt; Settings -&gt; Configure KMix -&gt; Uncheck restore volumes on login<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Now the volume stays at 100%.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This resetting of config data appears to be an upstream problem that needs to be patched by distro packagers.  See this coment from the MDV Cooker ML:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...] <br>
+Well the config lost in meg seems to be worse than the one you&#39;re talking about ( it&#39;s affecting in fact the plasma configuration &amp; probably related to the drop upstream the support of global plasma configuration in favor of the JavaScript configuration files which has been fixed in mga by luc).<br>
+
+I was able yesterday night to ( finally) install the beta2 so I&#39;ll try to reproduce later today but on the first reboot this morning I did not notice any kmix problem.<br>
+I don&#39;t remember currently if we do have the restore volume option on our global kmix config since removing this option is a workaround for you.<br>
+</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/cdbfae03/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/cdbfae03/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f9a63b734
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/cdbfae03/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,23 @@
+<p>Le 5 avr. 2012 07:34, &quot;Frank Griffin&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt; a écrit :</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 04/02/2012 10:14 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Rebooting does it - resets the volume level to 1%.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; While it /shouldn&#39;t/ matter, can you *untick* the options in kmix<br>
+&gt;&gt; related to saving/restoring the volumes and see if that helps?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mixer -&gt; Settings -&gt; Configure KMix -&gt; Uncheck restore volumes on login<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Now the volume stays at 100%.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This resetting of config data appears to be an upstream problem that needs to be patched by distro packagers.  See this coment from the MDV Cooker ML:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...] <br>
+Well the config lost in meg seems to be worse than the one you&#39;re talking about ( it&#39;s affecting in fact the plasma configuration &amp; probably related to the drop upstream the support of global plasma configuration in favor of the JavaScript configuration files which has been fixed in mga by luc).<br>
+
+I was able yesterday night to ( finally) install the beta2 so I&#39;ll try to reproduce later today but on the first reboot this morning I did not notice any kmix problem.<br>
+I don&#39;t remember currently if we do have the restore volume option on our global kmix config since removing this option is a workaround for you.<br>
+</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/fe306060/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/fe306060/attachment-0001.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..7ee8dc60f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/fe306060/attachment-0001.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,24 @@
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 44667f6..eb29ed5 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- fix loading functions
++
+ Version 0.100 - 05 April 2012
+ 
+ - do not run setxkbmap during text install
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+index 8364dc8..cf07001 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+@@ -316,8 +316,8 @@ sub install_server {
+ 	delete $card->{Driver2};
+     }
+ 
++    require Xconfig::proprietary;
+     if ($card->{Driver2}) {       
+-	require Xconfig::proprietary;
+ 	Xconfig::proprietary::handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE($card);
+ 	my @pkgs = Xconfig::proprietary::pkgs_for_Driver2($card->{Driver2}, $do_pkgs);
+ 	if (@pkgs && (!$o_in || $o_in->ask_yesorno('', formatAlaTeX(N("There is a proprietary driver available for your video card which may support additional features.
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/fe306060/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/fe306060/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..7ee8dc60f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120405/fe306060/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,24 @@
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 44667f6..eb29ed5 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- fix loading functions
++
+ Version 0.100 - 05 April 2012
+ 
+ - do not run setxkbmap during text install
+diff --git a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+index 8364dc8..cf07001 100644
+--- a/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
++++ b/lib/Xconfig/card.pm
+@@ -316,8 +316,8 @@ sub install_server {
+ 	delete $card->{Driver2};
+     }
+ 
++    require Xconfig::proprietary;
+     if ($card->{Driver2}) {       
+-	require Xconfig::proprietary;
+ 	Xconfig::proprietary::handle_DRIVER2_NO_SSE($card);
+ 	my @pkgs = Xconfig::proprietary::pkgs_for_Driver2($card->{Driver2}, $do_pkgs);
+ 	if (@pkgs && (!$o_in || $o_in->ask_yesorno('', formatAlaTeX(N("There is a proprietary driver available for your video card which may support additional features.
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/072d8a8b/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/072d8a8b/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..97bea6a25
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/072d8a8b/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Please push snort <a href="http://2.9.2.2">2.9.2.2</a>.&nbsp; It fixes too many false positives.<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></body></html>

diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/072d8a8b/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/072d8a8b/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..97bea6a25
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/072d8a8b/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Please push snort <a href="http://2.9.2.2">2.9.2.2</a>.&nbsp; It fixes too many false positives.<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></body></html>

diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment-0001.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f257c6cf1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment-0001.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+--- gpt.pm.tv	2012-04-06 09:49:39.652735735 +0200
++++ gpt.pm	2012-04-06 09:54:11.720110925 +0200
+@@ -31,16 +31,8 @@
+         $p{part_number} => \%p;
+     } c::get_disk_partitions($hd->{file});
+ 
+-    my @pt = map {
+-	my $part_number = $_;
+-	if ($parts{$part_number}) {
+-	    $parts{$part_number};
+-	} else {
+-	    my %p;
+-	    $p{part_number} = $part_number;
+-	    \%p;
+-	}
+-    } (1..$nb_primary);
++    add2hash(\%parts, { map { (part_number => $_) } 1..$nb_primary });
++    my @pt = map { $parts{$_} } sort keys %parts;
+ 
+     [ @pt ], $info;
+ }
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment-0002.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment-0002.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..1ef2a41a3
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment-0002.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+--- gpt.pm.tv	2012-04-06 09:49:39.652735735 +0200
++++ gpt.pm	2012-04-06 09:49:22.447714279 +0200
+@@ -31,16 +31,8 @@
+         $p{part_number} => \%p;
+     } c::get_disk_partitions($hd->{file});
+ 
+-    my @pt = map {
+-	my $part_number = $_;
+-	if ($parts{$part_number}) {
+-	    $parts{$part_number};
+-	} else {
+-	    my %p;
+-	    $p{part_number} = $part_number;
+-	    \%p;
+-	}
+-    } (1..$nb_primary);
++    my @pt = map { +{ part_number => $_ } } 1..$nb_primary;
++    $pt[$_-1] = $parts{$_} foreach keys %parts;
+ 
+     [ @pt ], $info;
+ }
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment-0003.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment-0003.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f257c6cf1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment-0003.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+--- gpt.pm.tv	2012-04-06 09:49:39.652735735 +0200
++++ gpt.pm	2012-04-06 09:54:11.720110925 +0200
+@@ -31,16 +31,8 @@
+         $p{part_number} => \%p;
+     } c::get_disk_partitions($hd->{file});
+ 
+-    my @pt = map {
+-	my $part_number = $_;
+-	if ($parts{$part_number}) {
+-	    $parts{$part_number};
+-	} else {
+-	    my %p;
+-	    $p{part_number} = $part_number;
+-	    \%p;
+-	}
+-    } (1..$nb_primary);
++    add2hash(\%parts, { map { (part_number => $_) } 1..$nb_primary });
++    my @pt = map { $parts{$_} } sort keys %parts;
+ 
+     [ @pt ], $info;
+ }
\ No newline at end of file
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index 000000000..1ef2a41a3
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/427b6f6a/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,21 @@
+--- gpt.pm.tv	2012-04-06 09:49:39.652735735 +0200
++++ gpt.pm	2012-04-06 09:49:22.447714279 +0200
+@@ -31,16 +31,8 @@
+         $p{part_number} => \%p;
+     } c::get_disk_partitions($hd->{file});
+ 
+-    my @pt = map {
+-	my $part_number = $_;
+-	if ($parts{$part_number}) {
+-	    $parts{$part_number};
+-	} else {
+-	    my %p;
+-	    $p{part_number} = $part_number;
+-	    \%p;
+-	}
+-    } (1..$nb_primary);
++    my @pt = map { +{ part_number => $_ } } 1..$nb_primary;
++    $pt[$_-1] = $parts{$_} foreach keys %parts;
+ 
+     [ @pt ], $info;
+ }
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/919bd61d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/919bd61d/attachment-0001.html
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@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 09:34, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+What about using consistent variable names ? If you have a collection of &#39;something&#39; stored in a hash, why should it suddenly became of collection of &#39;st&#39; when transfering them into an array ?</blockquote>
+
+<div><br></div><div>In this case, the hash contains the existing partitions, hence %parts, while the array represents the full partition table, hence @pt</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+ Or using a consistent format for variables storing numbers, rather than having both nb_foo and bar_number ?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>nb_primary is the number of primary partitions (count if you prefer), part_number is the position of a given partition in the table.</div>
+
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+And I don&#39;t underestand the interest of using an hash for storing content with numerical indexes only. Especially if you have to convert it to an array at the end...</blockquote><div><br></div><div>To easily get the (potential) one with current index when filling the array. The other solution would be to first create the array with 128 default structures, then replace some of them.</div>
+
+</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/919bd61d/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/919bd61d/attachment.html
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--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/919bd61d/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 09:34, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+What about using consistent variable names ? If you have a collection of &#39;something&#39; stored in a hash, why should it suddenly became of collection of &#39;st&#39; when transfering them into an array ?</blockquote>
+
+<div><br></div><div>In this case, the hash contains the existing partitions, hence %parts, while the array represents the full partition table, hence @pt</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+ Or using a consistent format for variables storing numbers, rather than having both nb_foo and bar_number ?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>nb_primary is the number of primary partitions (count if you prefer), part_number is the position of a given partition in the table.</div>
+
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+And I don&#39;t underestand the interest of using an hash for storing content with numerical indexes only. Especially if you have to convert it to an array at the end...</blockquote><div><br></div><div>To easily get the (potential) one with current index when filling the array. The other solution would be to first create the array with 128 default structures, then replace some of them.</div>
+
+</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/bc00b39d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/bc00b39d/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
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--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/bc00b39d/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,22 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:07, Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 09:34, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+What about using consistent variable names ? If you have a collection of &#39;something&#39; stored in a hash, why should it suddenly became of collection of &#39;st&#39; when transfering them into an array ?</blockquote>
+
+
+<div><br></div></div><div>In this case, the hash contains the existing partitions, hence %parts, while the array represents the full partition table, hence @pt</div><div class="im"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+ Or using a consistent format for variables storing numbers, rather than having both nb_foo and bar_number ?<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>nb_primary is the number of primary partitions (count if you prefer), part_number is the position of a given partition in the table.</div>
+
+<div class="im">
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+And I don&#39;t underestand the interest of using an hash for storing content with numerical indexes only. Especially if you have to convert it to an array at the end...</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>To easily get the (potential) one with current index when filling the array. The other solution would be to first create the array with 128 default structures, then replace some of them.</div>
+
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Hmm or actually just put them in the array and then fill the holes</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/bc00b39d/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/bc00b39d/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
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--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120406/bc00b39d/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,22 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:07, Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 09:34, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+What about using consistent variable names ? If you have a collection of &#39;something&#39; stored in a hash, why should it suddenly became of collection of &#39;st&#39; when transfering them into an array ?</blockquote>
+
+
+<div><br></div></div><div>In this case, the hash contains the existing partitions, hence %parts, while the array represents the full partition table, hence @pt</div><div class="im"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+ Or using a consistent format for variables storing numbers, rather than having both nb_foo and bar_number ?<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>nb_primary is the number of primary partitions (count if you prefer), part_number is the position of a given partition in the table.</div>
+
+<div class="im">
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+And I don&#39;t underestand the interest of using an hash for storing content with numerical indexes only. Especially if you have to convert it to an array at the end...</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>To easily get the (potential) one with current index when filling the array. The other solution would be to first create the array with 128 default structures, then replace some of them.</div>
+
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Hmm or actually just put them in the array and then fill the holes</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/244a7e5a/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/244a7e5a/attachment-0001.html
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--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/244a7e5a/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:02, jquelin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Name        : perl-Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN  Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 2.120.970                         Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Fri Apr  6 11:59:56 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : Development/Perl              Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 19350                            License: GPL+ or Artistic<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN" target="_blank">http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN</a><br>
+Summary     : Build &amp; release a distribution like jquelin<br>
+Description :<br>
+This is a plugin bundle to load all dist-zilla plugins that jq is using.<br>
+<br>
+jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt; 2.120.970-1.mga2:<br>
++ Revision: 228900<br>
+- update to 2.120970<br>
+- dist renamed upstream<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>but upstream did not update Task-Dist-Zilla, bad upstream ! :)</div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/244a7e5a/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/244a7e5a/attachment.html
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+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/244a7e5a/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:02, jquelin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Name        : perl-Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN  Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 2.120.970                         Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Fri Apr  6 11:59:56 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : Development/Perl              Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 19350                            License: GPL+ or Artistic<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN" target="_blank">http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN</a><br>
+Summary     : Build &amp; release a distribution like jquelin<br>
+Description :<br>
+This is a plugin bundle to load all dist-zilla plugins that jq is using.<br>
+<br>
+jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt; 2.120.970-1.mga2:<br>
++ Revision: 228900<br>
+- update to 2.120970<br>
+- dist renamed upstream<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>but upstream did not update Task-Dist-Zilla, bad upstream ! :)</div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/a6fbe97c/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/a6fbe97c/attachment-0001.html
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+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/a6fbe97c/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+Hi,<div><br><div>regarding <a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/tmb/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/tmb/dependencies.html</a> do you know if nvidia173/kmod-nvidia173 and nvidia-96xx/kmod-nvidia96xx should be obsoleted by something (nouveau?)?</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t know anything about nvidia but internet says 173 and 96xx are not compatible with x11-server 1.11</div><div>Compatibility with 1.10 was added in the latest version, in August last year, 6 months after 1.10 was released, and a week before 1.11 was released. It has now been more than 6 months since 1.11 was released, 1.12 was released last month, so should we still expect 1.11 (and recent kernels) support to happen?</div>
+
+</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/a6fbe97c/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/a6fbe97c/attachment.html
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@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+Hi,<div><br><div>regarding <a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/tmb/dependencies.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/tmb/dependencies.html</a> do you know if nvidia173/kmod-nvidia173 and nvidia-96xx/kmod-nvidia96xx should be obsoleted by something (nouveau?)?</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t know anything about nvidia but internet says 173 and 96xx are not compatible with x11-server 1.11</div><div>Compatibility with 1.10 was added in the latest version, in August last year, 6 months after 1.10 was released, and a week before 1.11 was released. It has now been more than 6 months since 1.11 was released, 1.12 was released last month, so should we still expect 1.11 (and recent kernels) support to happen?</div>
+
+</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/a8fe83a3/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/a8fe83a3/attachment-0001.html
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@@ -0,0 +1,29 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 08:51, Jerome Quelin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jquelin@gmail.com">jquelin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 12/04/07 00:58 +0100, Pascal Terjan wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:02, jquelin &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Name        : perl-Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN  Relocations:<br>
+&gt; &gt; (not relocatable)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Version     : 2.120.970                         Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+&gt; &gt; Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Fri Apr  6<br>
+&gt; &gt; 11:59:56 2012<br>
+&gt; &gt; Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; Group       : Development/Perl              Source RPM: (none)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Size        : 19350                            License: GPL+ or Artistic<br>
+&gt; &gt; Signature   : (none)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Packager    : jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; URL         :<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN" target="_blank">http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; Summary     : Build &amp; release a distribution like jquelin<br>
+&gt; &gt; Description :<br>
+&gt; &gt; This is a plugin bundle to load all dist-zilla plugins that jq is using.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt; 2.120.970-1.mga2:<br>
+&gt; &gt; + Revision: 228900<br>
+&gt; &gt; - update to 2.120970<br>
+&gt; &gt; - dist renamed upstream<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but upstream did not update Task-Dist-Zilla, bad upstream ! :)<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>yeah, bad upstream. task::dist::zilla is really outdated, i need to<br>
+update it. anyway, i fixed this particular requires:<br><br></blockquote><div>thanks! </div></div>
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+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120407/a8fe83a3/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,29 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 08:51, Jerome Quelin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jquelin@gmail.com">jquelin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 12/04/07 00:58 +0100, Pascal Terjan wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:02, jquelin &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Name        : perl-Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN  Relocations:<br>
+&gt; &gt; (not relocatable)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Version     : 2.120.970                         Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+&gt; &gt; Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Fri Apr  6<br>
+&gt; &gt; 11:59:56 2012<br>
+&gt; &gt; Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; Group       : Development/Perl              Source RPM: (none)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Size        : 19350                            License: GPL+ or Artistic<br>
+&gt; &gt; Signature   : (none)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Packager    : jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; URL         :<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN" target="_blank">http://search.cpan.org/dist/Dist-Zilla-PluginBundle-Author-JQUELIN</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; Summary     : Build &amp; release a distribution like jquelin<br>
+&gt; &gt; Description :<br>
+&gt; &gt; This is a plugin bundle to load all dist-zilla plugins that jq is using.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt; 2.120.970-1.mga2:<br>
+&gt; &gt; + Revision: 228900<br>
+&gt; &gt; - update to 2.120970<br>
+&gt; &gt; - dist renamed upstream<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but upstream did not update Task-Dist-Zilla, bad upstream ! :)<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>yeah, bad upstream. task::dist::zilla is really outdated, i need to<br>
+update it. anyway, i fixed this particular requires:<br><br></blockquote><div>thanks! </div></div>
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+<div>For drakx-installer-stage2:</div><div><br></div><div>- Mageia 2 beta 3 banner</div><div>- diskdrake:</div><div>  o fix partition numbering on GPT (mga#3091)</div><div><br></div><div>For drakxtools:</div><div><br></div>
+
+<div><div>- diskdrake:</div><div>  o fix partition numbering on GPT (mga#3091)</div></div><div><br></div>
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+<div>For drakx-installer-stage2:</div><div><br></div><div>- Mageia 2 beta 3 banner</div><div>- diskdrake:</div><div>  o fix partition numbering on GPT (mga#3091)</div><div><br></div><div>For drakxtools:</div><div><br></div>
+
+<div><div>- diskdrake:</div><div>  o fix partition numbering on GPT (mga#3091)</div></div><div><br></div>
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+It fixes our modprobe to handle being called by the kernel (fixes mount -t btrfs with module not yet loaded)
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+It fixes our modprobe to handle being called by the kernel (fixes mount -t btrfs with module not yet loaded)
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 15:57, David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">Anne nicolas wrote:<br>
+&gt; Security updates<br>
+&gt; =============<br>
+&gt; To be closed after RC<br>
+&gt; 5046  <a href="mailto:bugsquad@mageia.org">bugsquad@mageia.org</a>     [Tracker] Security updates for Mageia 2<br>
+<br>
+</div>I could really use some help with Bug 5063 (libzip security update).  It sounds serious, but I can&#39;t reproduce the make check error on the<br>
+build system.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>I submitted it and it succeeded
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 15:57, David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">Anne nicolas wrote:<br>
+&gt; Security updates<br>
+&gt; =============<br>
+&gt; To be closed after RC<br>
+&gt; 5046  <a href="mailto:bugsquad@mageia.org">bugsquad@mageia.org</a>     [Tracker] Security updates for Mageia 2<br>
+<br>
+</div>I could really use some help with Bug 5063 (libzip security update).  It sounds serious, but I can&#39;t reproduce the make check error on the<br>
+build system.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>I submitted it and it succeeded
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+ping?<br><br>在 2012年4月9日星期一，Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; ping?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 2012/4/8 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hello,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Could somebody pushing redmine 1.3.2 into cauldron?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Redmine before 1.3.2 does not properly restrict the use of a hash to<br>&gt;&gt; provide values for a model&#39;s attributes, which allows remote attackers<br>
+&gt;&gt; to set attributes in the (1) Comment, (2) Document, (3) IssueCategory,<br>&gt;&gt; (4) MembersController, (5) Message, (6) News, (7) TimeEntry, (8)<br>&gt;&gt; Version, (9) Wiki, (10) UserPreference, or (11) Board model via a<br>
+&gt;&gt; modified URL, related to a &quot;mass assignment&quot; vulnerability, a<br>&gt;&gt; different vulnerability than CVE-2012-0327.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Thanks.<br>&gt;
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+ping?<br><br>在 2012年4月9日星期一，Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; ping?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 2012/4/8 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hello,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Could somebody pushing redmine 1.3.2 into cauldron?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Redmine before 1.3.2 does not properly restrict the use of a hash to<br>&gt;&gt; provide values for a model&#39;s attributes, which allows remote attackers<br>
+&gt;&gt; to set attributes in the (1) Comment, (2) Document, (3) IssueCategory,<br>&gt;&gt; (4) MembersController, (5) Message, (6) News, (7) TimeEntry, (8)<br>&gt;&gt; Version, (9) Wiki, (10) UserPreference, or (11) Board model via a<br>
+&gt;&gt; modified URL, related to a &quot;mass assignment&quot; vulnerability, a<br>&gt;&gt; different vulnerability than CVE-2012-0327.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Thanks.<br>&gt;
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+2012/4/10 simple w8 &lt;<a href="mailto:simplew8@gmail.com">simplew8@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I see that in Mageia theres no bumblebee packages and these are very<br>
+&gt; usefull to enable the Nvidia GPU in hibrid machines (machines that<br>
+&gt; have 2 grapphic cards), please read<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project" target="_blank">https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Currently i dont have any account to be able to comit these new<br>
+&gt; packages for the distro so i ask if someone can review the specs so<br>
+&gt; that these packages can start existing in the distro, and i also ask<br>
+&gt; if theres someone that can help me with mentoring :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The specs are attached.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br><br>Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 9:12 π.μ., ο χ�ήστης Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+I guess it is a bit later for mga2. I think the feature could be hold<br>
+till cauldron reopen for mga 3.<br></blockquote><br><br clear="all"><br>Is it related to this bug ?<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1748">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1748</a><br><br><br>-- <br>
+<div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+2012/4/10 simple w8 &lt;<a href="mailto:simplew8@gmail.com">simplew8@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I see that in Mageia theres no bumblebee packages and these are very<br>
+&gt; usefull to enable the Nvidia GPU in hibrid machines (machines that<br>
+&gt; have 2 grapphic cards), please read<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project" target="_blank">https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Currently i dont have any account to be able to comit these new<br>
+&gt; packages for the distro so i ask if someone can review the specs so<br>
+&gt; that these packages can start existing in the distro, and i also ask<br>
+&gt; if theres someone that can help me with mentoring :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The specs are attached.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br><br>Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 9:12 π.μ., ο χ�ήστης Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+I guess it is a bit later for mga2. I think the feature could be hold<br>
+till cauldron reopen for mga 3.<br></blockquote><br><br clear="all"><br>Is it related to this bug ?<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1748">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1748</a><br><br><br>-- <br>
+<div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 4:47 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Zézinho a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em 09-04-2012 13:09, Dimitrios Glentadakis escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The pull of translations with locales-xx would be a comfort way to switch the environment language.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Comfort against disk space. If you want to be able to switch to any language, just check the box &#39;all languages&#39; at install time.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Alternately, during the install of Mageia, select each language that you are likely to use later.<br>
+(In your case, probably at least en + el, and maybe fr.)<br>
+That way it won&#39;t take much more disk space.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>And a urpmi --replacepkgs could retrieve the translations after have switched from mcc &gt; localization.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 4:47 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Zézinho a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em 09-04-2012 13:09, Dimitrios Glentadakis escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The pull of translations with locales-xx would be a comfort way to switch the environment language.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Comfort against disk space. If you want to be able to switch to any language, just check the box &#39;all languages&#39; at install time.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Alternately, during the install of Mageia, select each language that you are likely to use later.<br>
+(In your case, probably at least en + el, and maybe fr.)<br>
+That way it won&#39;t take much more disk space.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>And a urpmi --replacepkgs could retrieve the translations after have switched from mcc &gt; localization.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+Name:           optidesk
+Summary:        Tool to configure .desktop files to run with optirun
+Group:          Graphical desktop/Other
+Version:        0.1
+Release:        1
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/optidesk
+License:        GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/optidesk.git
+Source0:	%{name}.tar.xz
+Requires:	bumblebee
+
+%description
+This tool is intended to be an easy way of configuring your desired
+applications to be run through Bumblebee. It will allow to create
+and modify a menu entry with an alternative (Optirun) version of the
+default launcher.
+
+%files
+%{_bindir}/%{name}
+
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{name}
+
+%build
+autoreconf -fi
+%configure
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-1
+- initial package
\ No newline at end of file
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+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/da488c0d/attachment-0002.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,50 @@
+%define oname bbswitch
+
+Name:           dkms-%{oname}
+Summary:        bbswitch - Optimus GPU power switcher
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        0.4.1
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch.git
+Source0:        %{oname}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires(post):	dkms
+Requires(preun):dkms
+
+%description
+bbswitch is a kernel module which automatically detects the required
+ACPI calls for two kinds of Optimus laptops. It has been verified to
+work with "real" Optimus and "legacy" Optimus laptops (at least, that
+is how I call them).
+
+%files 
+%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}/*
+
+%post
+set -x
+dkms add -m %{oname} -v %{version} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+dkms build -m %{oname} -v %{version} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+dkms install -m %{oname} -v %{version} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+/sbin/modprobe %{oname} || :
+
+%preun
+dkms remove --binary -m %{oname} -v %{version} --rpm_safe_upgrade --all || :
+/sbin/rmmod %{oname} || :
+
+
+%prep 
+%setup -qn %{oname}
+sed -i 's/#MODULE_VERSION#/%{version}/g' dkms/dkms.conf
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}
+cp *.c %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}
+cp Makefile %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}
+cp dkms/dkms.conf %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}/dkms.conf
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.1-1
+- initial package
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..c60b6c67f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/da488c0d/attachment-0003.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,99 @@
+Name:           bumblebee
+Summary:        Bumblebee - support for NVidia Optimus laptops on Linux!
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        3.0
+Release:        1
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee
+License:        GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee.git
+Source0:	Bumblebee.tar.xz
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(glib-2.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libbsd)
+BuildRequires:	help2man
+Requires(pre):	update-alternatives
+Requires(post):	systemd-units
+Requires(preun):systemd-units
+Requires(postun):systemd-units
+Requires:	virtualgl
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nvidia-current
+Requires:	dkms-bbswitch
+Requires:	dkms-acpi_call
+
+%description
+Bumblebee daemon is a rewrite of the original Bumblebee service,
+providing an elegant and stable means of managing Optimus hybrid
+graphics chipsets.
+A primary goal of this project is to not only enable use of the
+discrete GPU for rendering, but also to enable smart power management
+of the dGPU when it's not in use.
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn Bumblebee
+
+%build
+autoreconf -fi
+%configure \
+CONF_DRIVER=nvidia \
+CONF_DRIVER_MODULE_NVIDIA=nvidia-current \
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=/usr/lib/nvidia-current:/usr/lib64/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=/usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,/usr/lib64/nvidia-current/xorg,/usr/lib/xorg/modules,/usr/lib64/xorg/modules,/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib64/xorg/extra-modules
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+install -m644 -D scripts/systemd/bumblebeed.service %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+install -m644 -D scripts/sysvinit/bumblebeed %{buildroot}%{_initrddir}/%{name}/bumblebeed
+
+%files
+%doc README.markdown doc/RELEASE_NOTES_3_0
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/bumblebee
+%dir %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia
+%{_sysconfdir}/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+%{_initrddir}/%{name}/
+%{_sbindir}/bumblebeed
+%{_bindir}/optirun
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee-bugreport
+%{_mandir}/man1/bumblebeed.1*
+%{_mandir}/man1/optirun.1*
+
+%pre
+%_pre_groupadd %{name}
+if [ "$1" -eq "1" ];then
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/ld.so.conf.d/GL/standard.conf
+fi
+
+%post
+%_post_service bumblebeed
+if [ $1 -eq 1 ]; then
+  # Initial set
+  # Enable (but don't start) the unit by default
+  /bin/systemctl enable bumblebeed.service
+fi
+
+%preun
+%_preun_service bumblebeed
+if [ $1 -eq 0 ]; then
+  # Package removal, not upgrade
+  /bin/systemctl --no-reload disable bumblebeed.service
+  /bin/systemctl stop bumblebeed.service
+fi
+
+%postun
+%_postun_groupdel %{name}
+/bin/systemctl daemon-reload
+if [ $1 -ge 1 ]; then
+  # Package upgrade, not uninstall
+  /bin/systemctl try-restart bumblebeed.service
+fi
+
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-1
+- 3.0 (from git), initial package
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0d05bd19a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/da488c0d/attachment-0004.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,54 @@
+Name:		bumblebee-ui
+Summary:	Bumblebee User Interface
+Group:		System/Configuration/Other
+Version:	1.0
+Release:	%mkrel 1
+URL:		https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui
+License:	GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui.git
+Source0:	%{name}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	bumblebee
+
+%description
+This is a user interface for bumblebee.
+A complete explanation of the feature of this user interface are
+explained here : 
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/wiki
+Please give it a try and report bugs to:
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/issues
+
+%files
+%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee*
+%{_datadir}/%{name}/
+%{_datadir}/applications/*
+%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/*
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{name}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+cp icons/*.* %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/{%{name},applications}
+cp app/*.* %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+cp bumblebee-app-settings.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_bindir}
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/AppSettings.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-app-settings
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/Bumblebee-Indicator.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-indicator
+
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-app-settings.desktop
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+chmod +x -R %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+
+# Always start in boot
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-1
+- initial package
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..ff34b67be
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/da488c0d/attachment-0005.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,57 @@
+%define modname acpi_call
+
+Name:           dkms-%{modname}
+Summary:        A kernel module that enables you to call ACPI methods
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        0.1
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/acpi_call
+License:        GPL
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/acpi_call.git
+Source0:	%{modname}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires(post):	dkms
+Requires(preun):dkms
+
+%description
+A kernel module that enables you to call ACPI methods by writing the
+method name followed by arguments to /proc/acpi/call.
+
+%files
+%doc README
+%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}/*
+
+%post
+set -x
+/usr/sbin/dkms add -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+/usr/sbin/dkms build -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+/usr/sbin/dkms install -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+/sbin/modprobe %{modname} || :
+
+%preun
+dkms remove --binary -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --all || :
+/sbin/rmmod %{modname} || :
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{modname}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+mkdir -p -m755 %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp -a * %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}
+# DKMS config
+cat > %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}/dkms.conf << 'EOF'
+PACKAGE_NAME="%{modname}"
+PACKAGE_VERSION="%{version}-%{release}"
+MAKE[0]="make default KERNELPATH=${kernel_source_dir}"
+MAKE_MATCH[0]="make load KERNELPATH=${kernel_source_dir}"
+BUILT_MODULE_NAME[0]="%{modname}"
+DEST_MODULE_LOCATION[0]="/kernel/drivers/acpi"
+REMAKE_INITRD="no"
+AUTOINSTALL="yes"
+EOF
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 1.0-1
+- initial package
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..d498e6e4d
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/da488c0d/attachment-0006.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,82 @@
+%define major 7
+%define libtool %mklibname indicator3
+%define libname %mklibname indicator3_ %{major}
+%define libdevel %mklibname indicator3 -d
+
+Name:           libindicator
+Summary:        A set of symbols and convience functions for indicators
+Group:          System/Libraries
+Version:        0.4.93
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPL-3.0
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/libindicator
+Source0:        http://launchpad.net/libindicator/0.5/0.4.93/+download//%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+
+%description
+A set of symbols and convience functions that all indicators would like
+to use. Not of real use outside of the Ayatana indicators project.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:        libindicator3 library
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+Library for libindicator3.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libindicator3.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libtool}-tools
+Summary:        libindicator3 tool
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libtool}-tools
+Tool to load libindicator3 plugins.
+
+%files -n %{libtool}-tools
+%{_libdir}/indicator-loader3
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-blank.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-entry-func.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-null.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-signaler.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-simple.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-visible.so
+   
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libdevel}
+Summary:        libindicator3 development files
+Group:          Development/GNOME and GTK+
+Requires:	%{libname} >= %{version}
+
+%description -n %{libdevel}
+Development files needed by libindicator3.
+
+%files -n %{libdevel}
+%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL
+%{_includedir}/libindicator3-0.4/libindicator/
+%{_libdir}/libindicator3.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/indicator3-0.4.pc
+%{_datadir}/libindicator/80indicator-debugging
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+
+%build
+%configure \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..aad15f258
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/da488c0d/attachment-0007.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,116 @@
+%define oname VirtualGL
+%define libname %mklibname %{name}
+
+Name:           virtualgl
+Summary:        A toolkit for displaying OpenGL applications to thin clients
+Group:          Networking/Other
+Version:        2.3
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+URL:            http://www.virtualgl.org
+License:        wxWindows Library License v3.1
+Source0:	http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualgl/%{oname}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		vgl_2.3_patch0
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires:	cmake
+
+
+%description
+VirtualGL is a library which allows most Linux OpenGL applications to be
+remotely displayed to a thin client without the need to alter the
+applications in any way.  VGL inserts itself into an application at run time
+and intercepts a handful of GLX calls, which it reroutes to the server's
+display (which presumably has a 3D accelerator attached.)  This causes all
+3D rendering to occur on the server's display.  As each frame is rendered
+by the server, VirtualGL reads back the pixels from the server's framebuffer
+and sends them to the client for re-compositing into the appropriate X
+Window.  VirtualGL can be used to give hardware-accelerated 3D capabilities to
+VNC or other remote display environments that lack GLX support.  In a LAN
+environment, it can also be used with its built-in motion-JPEG video delivery
+system to remotely display full-screen 3D applications at 20+ frames/second.
+
+VirtualGL is based upon ideas presented in various academic papers on
+this topic, including "A Generic Solution for Hardware-Accelerated Remote
+Visualization" (Stegmaier, Magallon, Ertl 2002) and "A Framework for
+Interactive Hardware Accelerated Remote 3D-Visualization" (Engel, Sommer,
+Ertl 2000.)
+
+%files
+%{_bindir}/*
+%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %libname
+Summary: Libraries injected by VirtualGL into applications that are ran through it
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libname
+Libraries injected by VirtualGL into applications that are ran throught it. 
+Lib package allow installing 32 and 64 bits libraries at the same time.
+
+%files -n %libname
+%dir %{_libdir}/fakelib/
+%{_libdir}/fakelib/libGL.so
+%{_libdir}/librrfaker.so
+%{_libdir}/libdlfaker.so
+%{_libdir}/libgefaker.so
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package devel
+Summary:	A toolkit for displaying OpenGL applications to thin clients
+Group:		Networking/Other
+Requires:	%{libname} >= %{version}
+
+%description devel
+VirtualGL is a library which allows most Linux OpenGL applications to be
+remotely displayed to a thin client without the need to alter the
+applications in any way.  VGL inserts itself into an application at run
+time and intercepts a handful of GLX calls, which it reroutes to the
+server's display (which presumably has a 3D accelerator attached). This
+causes all 3D rendering to occur on the server's display.  As each frame
+is rendered by the server, VirtualGL reads back the pixels from the
+server's framebuffer and sends them to the client for re-compositing into
+the appropriate X Window. VirtualGL can be used to give hardware-
+-accelerated 3D capabilities to VNC or other remote display environments
+that lack GLX support.  In a LAN environment, it can also be used with
+its built-in motion-JPEG video delivery system to remotely display
+full-screen 3D applications at 20+ frames/second. 
+VirtualGL is based upon ideas presented in various academic papers on
+this topic, including "A Generic Solution for Hardware-Accelerated Remote
+Visualization" (Stegmaier, Magallon, Ertl 2002) and "A Framework for
+Interactive Hardware Accelerated Remote 3D-Visualization" (Engel, Sommer,
+Ertl 2000.)
+
+%files devel
+%{_includedir}/rrtransport.h
+%{_includedir}/rr.h
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{oname}-%{version}
+%patch0 -p1
+
+%build
+cmake -G "Unix Makefiles" \
+    -DCMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR:PATH=%{_libdir} \
+    -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=%{_prefix} \
+    -DVGL_DOCDIR=%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name} \
+    -DVGL_LIBDIR=%{_libdir} \
+    -DTJPEG_INCLUDE_DIR=%{_includedir} \
+    -DTJPEG_LIBRARY=%{_libdir}/libturbojpeg.so
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+rm -rf %{buildroot}%{_prefix}/fakelib
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/fakelib
+ln -sf ../librrfaker.so %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/fakelib/libGL.so
+mv -f %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/glxinfo %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/glxinfo2
+
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 2.3-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..c1381415f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/da488c0d/attachment-0008.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,77 @@
+%define major 0
+%define libname %mklibname bsd %{major}
+%define libnamedev %mklibname bsd -d
+
+Name:		libbsd
+Summary:	Library providing BSD-compatible functions for portability
+Group:		System/Libraries
+Version:	0.3.0
+Release:	%mkrel 1
+License:	BSD and ISC and Copyright only and Public Domain
+URL:		http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/
+Source0:	http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+
+%description
+libbsd provides useful functions commonly found on BSD systems, and
+lacking on others like GNU systems, thus making it easier to port
+projects with strong BSD origins, without needing to embed the same
+code over and over again on each project.
+
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:	libbsdb libary
+Group:		System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+libbsd libary.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libbsd.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libnamedev}
+Summary:	Development files for libbsd
+Group:		Development/C
+Requires:	%{libname} >= %{version}
+Provides:	%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description -n %{libnamedev}
+Development files for the libbsd library.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%files -n %{libnamedev}
+%doc COPYING README TODO ChangeLog
+%{_mandir}/man3/*
+%{_includedir}/*.h
+%{_includedir}/bsd/
+%{_libdir}/libbsd.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/libbsd*.pc
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+# fix encoding of flopen.3 man page
+for f in src/flopen.3; do
+  iconv -f iso8859-1 -t utf-8 $f >$f.conv
+  touch -r $f $f.conv
+  mv $f.conv $f
+done
+
+%build
+%make
+
+%install
+make install DESTDIR=%{buildroot} \
+    libdir=%{_libdir} \
+    usrlibdir=%{_libdir} \
+    exec_prefix=%{_prefix}
+
+# clean static library
+rm %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/libbsd.a
+
+# Move nlist.h into bsd directory to avoid conflict with elfutils-libelf.
+mv %{buildroot}%{_includedir}/nlist.h %{buildroot}%{_includedir}/bsd/
+
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.3.0-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..3d94383c6
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/da488c0d/attachment-0009.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,36 @@
+Name:           optidesk
+Summary:        Tool to configure .desktop files to run with optirun
+Group:          Graphical desktop/Other
+Version:        0.1
+Release:        1
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/optidesk
+License:        GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/optidesk.git
+Source0:	%{name}.tar.xz
+Requires:	bumblebee
+
+%description
+This tool is intended to be an easy way of configuring your desired
+applications to be run through Bumblebee. It will allow to create
+and modify a menu entry with an alternative (Optirun) version of the
+default launcher.
+
+%files
+%{_bindir}/%{name}
+
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{name}
+
+%build
+autoreconf -fi
+%configure
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-1
+- initial package
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+%define oname bbswitch
+
+Name:           dkms-%{oname}
+Summary:        bbswitch - Optimus GPU power switcher
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        0.4.1
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch.git
+Source0:        %{oname}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires(post):	dkms
+Requires(preun):dkms
+
+%description
+bbswitch is a kernel module which automatically detects the required
+ACPI calls for two kinds of Optimus laptops. It has been verified to
+work with "real" Optimus and "legacy" Optimus laptops (at least, that
+is how I call them).
+
+%files 
+%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}/*
+
+%post
+set -x
+dkms add -m %{oname} -v %{version} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+dkms build -m %{oname} -v %{version} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+dkms install -m %{oname} -v %{version} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+/sbin/modprobe %{oname} || :
+
+%preun
+dkms remove --binary -m %{oname} -v %{version} --rpm_safe_upgrade --all || :
+/sbin/rmmod %{oname} || :
+
+
+%prep 
+%setup -qn %{oname}
+sed -i 's/#MODULE_VERSION#/%{version}/g' dkms/dkms.conf
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}
+cp *.c %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}
+cp Makefile %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}
+cp dkms/dkms.conf %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}/dkms.conf
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.1-1
+- initial package
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+Name:           bumblebee
+Summary:        Bumblebee - support for NVidia Optimus laptops on Linux!
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        3.0
+Release:        1
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee
+License:        GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee.git
+Source0:	Bumblebee.tar.xz
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(glib-2.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libbsd)
+BuildRequires:	help2man
+Requires(pre):	update-alternatives
+Requires(post):	systemd-units
+Requires(preun):systemd-units
+Requires(postun):systemd-units
+Requires:	virtualgl
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nvidia-current
+Requires:	dkms-bbswitch
+Requires:	dkms-acpi_call
+
+%description
+Bumblebee daemon is a rewrite of the original Bumblebee service,
+providing an elegant and stable means of managing Optimus hybrid
+graphics chipsets.
+A primary goal of this project is to not only enable use of the
+discrete GPU for rendering, but also to enable smart power management
+of the dGPU when it's not in use.
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn Bumblebee
+
+%build
+autoreconf -fi
+%configure \
+CONF_DRIVER=nvidia \
+CONF_DRIVER_MODULE_NVIDIA=nvidia-current \
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=/usr/lib/nvidia-current:/usr/lib64/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=/usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,/usr/lib64/nvidia-current/xorg,/usr/lib/xorg/modules,/usr/lib64/xorg/modules,/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib64/xorg/extra-modules
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+install -m644 -D scripts/systemd/bumblebeed.service %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+install -m644 -D scripts/sysvinit/bumblebeed %{buildroot}%{_initrddir}/%{name}/bumblebeed
+
+%files
+%doc README.markdown doc/RELEASE_NOTES_3_0
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/bumblebee
+%dir %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia
+%{_sysconfdir}/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+%{_initrddir}/%{name}/
+%{_sbindir}/bumblebeed
+%{_bindir}/optirun
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee-bugreport
+%{_mandir}/man1/bumblebeed.1*
+%{_mandir}/man1/optirun.1*
+
+%pre
+%_pre_groupadd %{name}
+if [ "$1" -eq "1" ];then
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/ld.so.conf.d/GL/standard.conf
+fi
+
+%post
+%_post_service bumblebeed
+if [ $1 -eq 1 ]; then
+  # Initial set
+  # Enable (but don't start) the unit by default
+  /bin/systemctl enable bumblebeed.service
+fi
+
+%preun
+%_preun_service bumblebeed
+if [ $1 -eq 0 ]; then
+  # Package removal, not upgrade
+  /bin/systemctl --no-reload disable bumblebeed.service
+  /bin/systemctl stop bumblebeed.service
+fi
+
+%postun
+%_postun_groupdel %{name}
+/bin/systemctl daemon-reload
+if [ $1 -ge 1 ]; then
+  # Package upgrade, not uninstall
+  /bin/systemctl try-restart bumblebeed.service
+fi
+
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-1
+- 3.0 (from git), initial package
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+Name:		bumblebee-ui
+Summary:	Bumblebee User Interface
+Group:		System/Configuration/Other
+Version:	1.0
+Release:	%mkrel 1
+URL:		https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui
+License:	GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui.git
+Source0:	%{name}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	bumblebee
+
+%description
+This is a user interface for bumblebee.
+A complete explanation of the feature of this user interface are
+explained here : 
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/wiki
+Please give it a try and report bugs to:
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/issues
+
+%files
+%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee*
+%{_datadir}/%{name}/
+%{_datadir}/applications/*
+%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/*
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{name}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+cp icons/*.* %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/{%{name},applications}
+cp app/*.* %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+cp bumblebee-app-settings.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_bindir}
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/AppSettings.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-app-settings
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/Bumblebee-Indicator.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-indicator
+
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-app-settings.desktop
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+chmod +x -R %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+
+# Always start in boot
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-1
+- initial package
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+%define modname acpi_call
+
+Name:           dkms-%{modname}
+Summary:        A kernel module that enables you to call ACPI methods
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        0.1
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/acpi_call
+License:        GPL
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/acpi_call.git
+Source0:	%{modname}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires(post):	dkms
+Requires(preun):dkms
+
+%description
+A kernel module that enables you to call ACPI methods by writing the
+method name followed by arguments to /proc/acpi/call.
+
+%files
+%doc README
+%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}/*
+
+%post
+set -x
+/usr/sbin/dkms add -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+/usr/sbin/dkms build -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+/usr/sbin/dkms install -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade || :
+/sbin/modprobe %{modname} || :
+
+%preun
+dkms remove --binary -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --all || :
+/sbin/rmmod %{modname} || :
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{modname}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+mkdir -p -m755 %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp -a * %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}
+# DKMS config
+cat > %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}/dkms.conf << 'EOF'
+PACKAGE_NAME="%{modname}"
+PACKAGE_VERSION="%{version}-%{release}"
+MAKE[0]="make default KERNELPATH=${kernel_source_dir}"
+MAKE_MATCH[0]="make load KERNELPATH=${kernel_source_dir}"
+BUILT_MODULE_NAME[0]="%{modname}"
+DEST_MODULE_LOCATION[0]="/kernel/drivers/acpi"
+REMAKE_INITRD="no"
+AUTOINSTALL="yes"
+EOF
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 1.0-1
+- initial package
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+%define major 7
+%define libtool %mklibname indicator3
+%define libname %mklibname indicator3_ %{major}
+%define libdevel %mklibname indicator3 -d
+
+Name:           libindicator
+Summary:        A set of symbols and convience functions for indicators
+Group:          System/Libraries
+Version:        0.4.93
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPL-3.0
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/libindicator
+Source0:        http://launchpad.net/libindicator/0.5/0.4.93/+download//%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+
+%description
+A set of symbols and convience functions that all indicators would like
+to use. Not of real use outside of the Ayatana indicators project.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:        libindicator3 library
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+Library for libindicator3.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libindicator3.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libtool}-tools
+Summary:        libindicator3 tool
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libtool}-tools
+Tool to load libindicator3 plugins.
+
+%files -n %{libtool}-tools
+%{_libdir}/indicator-loader3
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-blank.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-entry-func.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-null.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-signaler.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-simple.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-visible.so
+   
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libdevel}
+Summary:        libindicator3 development files
+Group:          Development/GNOME and GTK+
+Requires:	%{libname} >= %{version}
+
+%description -n %{libdevel}
+Development files needed by libindicator3.
+
+%files -n %{libdevel}
+%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL
+%{_includedir}/libindicator3-0.4/libindicator/
+%{_libdir}/libindicator3.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/indicator3-0.4.pc
+%{_datadir}/libindicator/80indicator-debugging
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+
+%build
+%configure \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-1
+- first package
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+%define oname VirtualGL
+%define libname %mklibname %{name}
+
+Name:           virtualgl
+Summary:        A toolkit for displaying OpenGL applications to thin clients
+Group:          Networking/Other
+Version:        2.3
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+URL:            http://www.virtualgl.org
+License:        wxWindows Library License v3.1
+Source0:	http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualgl/%{oname}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		vgl_2.3_patch0
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires:	cmake
+
+
+%description
+VirtualGL is a library which allows most Linux OpenGL applications to be
+remotely displayed to a thin client without the need to alter the
+applications in any way.  VGL inserts itself into an application at run time
+and intercepts a handful of GLX calls, which it reroutes to the server's
+display (which presumably has a 3D accelerator attached.)  This causes all
+3D rendering to occur on the server's display.  As each frame is rendered
+by the server, VirtualGL reads back the pixels from the server's framebuffer
+and sends them to the client for re-compositing into the appropriate X
+Window.  VirtualGL can be used to give hardware-accelerated 3D capabilities to
+VNC or other remote display environments that lack GLX support.  In a LAN
+environment, it can also be used with its built-in motion-JPEG video delivery
+system to remotely display full-screen 3D applications at 20+ frames/second.
+
+VirtualGL is based upon ideas presented in various academic papers on
+this topic, including "A Generic Solution for Hardware-Accelerated Remote
+Visualization" (Stegmaier, Magallon, Ertl 2002) and "A Framework for
+Interactive Hardware Accelerated Remote 3D-Visualization" (Engel, Sommer,
+Ertl 2000.)
+
+%files
+%{_bindir}/*
+%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %libname
+Summary: Libraries injected by VirtualGL into applications that are ran through it
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libname
+Libraries injected by VirtualGL into applications that are ran throught it. 
+Lib package allow installing 32 and 64 bits libraries at the same time.
+
+%files -n %libname
+%dir %{_libdir}/fakelib/
+%{_libdir}/fakelib/libGL.so
+%{_libdir}/librrfaker.so
+%{_libdir}/libdlfaker.so
+%{_libdir}/libgefaker.so
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package devel
+Summary:	A toolkit for displaying OpenGL applications to thin clients
+Group:		Networking/Other
+Requires:	%{libname} >= %{version}
+
+%description devel
+VirtualGL is a library which allows most Linux OpenGL applications to be
+remotely displayed to a thin client without the need to alter the
+applications in any way.  VGL inserts itself into an application at run
+time and intercepts a handful of GLX calls, which it reroutes to the
+server's display (which presumably has a 3D accelerator attached). This
+causes all 3D rendering to occur on the server's display.  As each frame
+is rendered by the server, VirtualGL reads back the pixels from the
+server's framebuffer and sends them to the client for re-compositing into
+the appropriate X Window. VirtualGL can be used to give hardware-
+-accelerated 3D capabilities to VNC or other remote display environments
+that lack GLX support.  In a LAN environment, it can also be used with
+its built-in motion-JPEG video delivery system to remotely display
+full-screen 3D applications at 20+ frames/second. 
+VirtualGL is based upon ideas presented in various academic papers on
+this topic, including "A Generic Solution for Hardware-Accelerated Remote
+Visualization" (Stegmaier, Magallon, Ertl 2002) and "A Framework for
+Interactive Hardware Accelerated Remote 3D-Visualization" (Engel, Sommer,
+Ertl 2000.)
+
+%files devel
+%{_includedir}/rrtransport.h
+%{_includedir}/rr.h
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{oname}-%{version}
+%patch0 -p1
+
+%build
+cmake -G "Unix Makefiles" \
+    -DCMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR:PATH=%{_libdir} \
+    -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=%{_prefix} \
+    -DVGL_DOCDIR=%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name} \
+    -DVGL_LIBDIR=%{_libdir} \
+    -DTJPEG_INCLUDE_DIR=%{_includedir} \
+    -DTJPEG_LIBRARY=%{_libdir}/libturbojpeg.so
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+rm -rf %{buildroot}%{_prefix}/fakelib
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/fakelib
+ln -sf ../librrfaker.so %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/fakelib/libGL.so
+mv -f %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/glxinfo %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/glxinfo2
+
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 2.3-1
+- first package
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+%define major 0
+%define libname %mklibname bsd %{major}
+%define libnamedev %mklibname bsd -d
+
+Name:		libbsd
+Summary:	Library providing BSD-compatible functions for portability
+Group:		System/Libraries
+Version:	0.3.0
+Release:	%mkrel 1
+License:	BSD and ISC and Copyright only and Public Domain
+URL:		http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/
+Source0:	http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+
+%description
+libbsd provides useful functions commonly found on BSD systems, and
+lacking on others like GNU systems, thus making it easier to port
+projects with strong BSD origins, without needing to embed the same
+code over and over again on each project.
+
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:	libbsdb libary
+Group:		System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+libbsd libary.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libbsd.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libnamedev}
+Summary:	Development files for libbsd
+Group:		Development/C
+Requires:	%{libname} >= %{version}
+Provides:	%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description -n %{libnamedev}
+Development files for the libbsd library.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%files -n %{libnamedev}
+%doc COPYING README TODO ChangeLog
+%{_mandir}/man3/*
+%{_includedir}/*.h
+%{_includedir}/bsd/
+%{_libdir}/libbsd.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/libbsd*.pc
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+# fix encoding of flopen.3 man page
+for f in src/flopen.3; do
+  iconv -f iso8859-1 -t utf-8 $f >$f.conv
+  touch -r $f $f.conv
+  mv $f.conv $f
+done
+
+%build
+%make
+
+%install
+make install DESTDIR=%{buildroot} \
+    libdir=%{_libdir} \
+    usrlibdir=%{_libdir} \
+    exec_prefix=%{_prefix}
+
+# clean static library
+rm %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/libbsd.a
+
+# Move nlist.h into bsd directory to avoid conflict with elfutils-libelf.
+mv %{buildroot}%{_includedir}/nlist.h %{buildroot}%{_includedir}/bsd/
+
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.3.0-1
+- first package
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0001.obj
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+Name:		bumblebee-ui
+Summary:	Bumblebee User Interface
+Group:		System/Configuration/Other
+Version:	1.0
+Release:	%mkrel 2
+URL:		https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui
+License:	GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui.git
+Source0:	%{name}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	bumblebee
+Requires:	indicator-appmenu
+
+%description
+This is a user interface for bumblebee.
+A complete explanation of the feature of this user interface are
+explained here : 
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/wiki
+Please give it a try and report bugs to:
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/issues
+
+%files
+%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee*
+%{_datadir}/%{name}/
+%{_datadir}/applications/*
+%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/*
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{name}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+cp icons/*.* %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/{%{name},applications}
+cp app/*.* %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+cp bumblebee-app-settings.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_bindir}
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/AppSettings.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-app-settings
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/Bumblebee-Indicator.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-indicator
+
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-app-settings.desktop
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+chmod +x -R %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+
+# Always start in boot
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+
+
+%changelog
+* Tue Apr 10 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-2
+- needs indicator-appmenu
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-1
+- initial package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0002.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0002.obj
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+%define bzr 1
+
+%define major 1
+%define libname %mklibname appindicator %{major}
+%define libdevel %mklibname appindicator -d
+
+Name:           libappindicator
+Summary:        A set of symbols and convience functions for indicators
+Group:          System/Libraries
+Version:        0.4.92
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPL-3.0
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/libappindicator
+Source0:        http://launchpad.net/libappindicator/0.5/0.4.92/+download/%{name}%{!?bzr:-%{version}}.tar.%{!?bzr:gz}%{?bzr:xz}
+# PATCH-FIX-OPENSUSE - libappindicator-mono-nunit-fix.patch nmarques@opensuse.org 
+#-- use mono-nunit for pkgconfig() calls instead of nunit
+Patch0:		libappindicator-mono-nunit-fix.patch
+Patch1:		libappindicator-0.4.92-configure.patch
+BuildRequires:  gnome-common
+BuildRequires:  intltool
+BuildRequires:  perl-XML-SAX
+BuildRequires:  vala-devel
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-gtk3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gapi-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gobject-introspection-1.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gnome-doc-utils)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk-sharp-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicate-0.6)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(libpng15)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(mono)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(mono-nunit)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(pygobject-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(pygtk-2.0)
+
+%description
+A library to allow applications to export a menu into the Unity Menu bar.
+Based on KSNI it also works in KDE and will fallback to generic Systray
+support if none of those are available.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:        libappindicator library
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+Library for libappindicator.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libappindicator.so.%{major}*
+%{_libdir}/girepository-1.0/*.typelib
+%{_libdir}/cli/appindicator-sharp-0.1/
+%{py_platlibdir}/site-packages/appindicator/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{name}-sharp
+Summary:        libappindicator tool
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{name}-sharp
+Tool to load libappindicator plugins.
+
+%files -n %{name}-sharp
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/appindicator-sharp/
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/appindicator-sharp/
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/policy.0.0.appindicator-sharp/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libdevel}
+Summary:        libappindicator development files
+Group:          Development/GNOME and GTK+
+Requires:	%{libname} >= %{version}
+
+%description -n %{libdevel}
+Development files needed by libappindicator.
+
+%files -n %{libdevel}
+%{_includedir}/libappindicator-0.1/
+%{_libdir}/libappindicator.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*.pc
+%{_datadir}/gir-1.0/
+%{_datadir}/pygtk/2.0/defs/appindicator.defs
+%{_datadir}/vala/vapi/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?bzr:n %{name}}
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0003.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0003.obj
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index 000000000..81e07040c
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+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0003.obj
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+
+Name:           indicator-appmenu
+Summary:        An indicator to host the menus from an application
+Group:          Graphical desktop/GNOME
+Version:        0.3.97
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPL
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu
+Source0:        https://launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/0.4/0.3.94/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		indicator-appmenu-0.3.97-disable-werror.patch
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-glib-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  gtk-doc-mkpdf
+
+%description
+An indicator to host the menus from an application.
+
+%files
+%doc ABOUT-NLS AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING NEWS README
+%{_bindir}/hud-*
+%{_libdir}/hud-service
+%{_libdir}/indicators3/
+%{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.indicator.appmenu*gschema.xml
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/hud/
+%{_mandir}/man1/hud-*.1.*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.97-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
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index 000000000..ef5a14c85
--- /dev/null
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+Name:		bumblebee-ui
+Summary:	Bumblebee User Interface
+Group:		System/Configuration/Other
+Version:	1.0
+Release:	%mkrel 2
+URL:		https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui
+License:	GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui.git
+Source0:	%{name}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	bumblebee
+Requires:	indicator-appmenu
+
+%description
+This is a user interface for bumblebee.
+A complete explanation of the feature of this user interface are
+explained here : 
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/wiki
+Please give it a try and report bugs to:
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/issues
+
+%files
+%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee*
+%{_datadir}/%{name}/
+%{_datadir}/applications/*
+%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/*
+
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{name}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+cp icons/*.* %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/{%{name},applications}
+cp app/*.* %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+cp bumblebee-app-settings.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_bindir}
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/AppSettings.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-app-settings
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/Bumblebee-Indicator.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-indicator
+
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-app-settings.desktop
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+chmod +x -R %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+
+# Always start in boot
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+
+
+%changelog
+* Tue Apr 10 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-2
+- needs indicator-appmenu
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-1
+- initial package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0005.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0005.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..6c7e42f04
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment-0005.obj
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+%define bzr 1
+
+%define major 1
+%define libname %mklibname appindicator %{major}
+%define libdevel %mklibname appindicator -d
+
+Name:           libappindicator
+Summary:        A set of symbols and convience functions for indicators
+Group:          System/Libraries
+Version:        0.4.92
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPL-3.0
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/libappindicator
+Source0:        http://launchpad.net/libappindicator/0.5/0.4.92/+download/%{name}%{!?bzr:-%{version}}.tar.%{!?bzr:gz}%{?bzr:xz}
+# PATCH-FIX-OPENSUSE - libappindicator-mono-nunit-fix.patch nmarques@opensuse.org 
+#-- use mono-nunit for pkgconfig() calls instead of nunit
+Patch0:		libappindicator-mono-nunit-fix.patch
+Patch1:		libappindicator-0.4.92-configure.patch
+BuildRequires:  gnome-common
+BuildRequires:  intltool
+BuildRequires:  perl-XML-SAX
+BuildRequires:  vala-devel
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-gtk3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gapi-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gobject-introspection-1.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gnome-doc-utils)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk-sharp-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicate-0.6)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(libpng15)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(mono)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(mono-nunit)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(pygobject-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(pygtk-2.0)
+
+%description
+A library to allow applications to export a menu into the Unity Menu bar.
+Based on KSNI it also works in KDE and will fallback to generic Systray
+support if none of those are available.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:        libappindicator library
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+Library for libappindicator.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libappindicator.so.%{major}*
+%{_libdir}/girepository-1.0/*.typelib
+%{_libdir}/cli/appindicator-sharp-0.1/
+%{py_platlibdir}/site-packages/appindicator/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{name}-sharp
+Summary:        libappindicator tool
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{name}-sharp
+Tool to load libappindicator plugins.
+
+%files -n %{name}-sharp
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/appindicator-sharp/
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/appindicator-sharp/
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/policy.0.0.appindicator-sharp/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libdevel}
+Summary:        libappindicator development files
+Group:          Development/GNOME and GTK+
+Requires:	%{libname} >= %{version}
+
+%description -n %{libdevel}
+Development files needed by libappindicator.
+
+%files -n %{libdevel}
+%{_includedir}/libappindicator-0.1/
+%{_libdir}/libappindicator.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*.pc
+%{_datadir}/gir-1.0/
+%{_datadir}/pygtk/2.0/defs/appindicator.defs
+%{_datadir}/vala/vapi/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?bzr:n %{name}}
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..81e07040c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120410/ee08a894/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,47 @@
+
+Name:           indicator-appmenu
+Summary:        An indicator to host the menus from an application
+Group:          Graphical desktop/GNOME
+Version:        0.3.97
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPL
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu
+Source0:        https://launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/0.4/0.3.94/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		indicator-appmenu-0.3.97-disable-werror.patch
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-glib-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  gtk-doc-mkpdf
+
+%description
+An indicator to host the menus from an application.
+
+%files
+%doc ABOUT-NLS AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING NEWS README
+%{_bindir}/hud-*
+%{_libdir}/hud-service
+%{_libdir}/indicators3/
+%{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.indicator.appmenu*gschema.xml
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/hud/
+%{_mandir}/man1/hud-*.1.*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.97-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120411/6f259ccf/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120411/6f259ccf/attachment-0001.html
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+<p><br>
+Le 11 avr. 2012 07:20, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Στις 11/04/2012 02:37:50 Anssi Hannula γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; 31.03.2012 09:43, Dimitrios Glentadakis kirjoitti:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Στις 31/03/2012 08:38:19 γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Στις 31/03/2012 02:38:24 JA Magallón γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; And, btw, to get hw video decoding I had to write a file in /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; with<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks, this solved the problem for me<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; i had to reverse to disable hw acceleration because the embedded youtube videos in konqueror are invisible (in youtube it is ok)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; So this issue happens only when EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1 ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Or does it happen when you remove the line completely as well?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Initialy i did nt have any file /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Without the file mms.cfg, if i have hw accel. enabled (by right click), i have the blue peoples in youtube but not in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - Without the file mms.cfg, if i disabled hw accel (by right click), i dont have the blue peoples in youtube, and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1, and hw accel. enabled (by right click), i dont have blue peoples in youtube but embedded videos dont shown and sometimes with crash of the nssplugginviewer<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1, and hw accel. disabled (by right click), i dont have blue peoples in youtube and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and  EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 and hw accel. enabled (by right click), i have blue peoples in youtube and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and  EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 and hw accel. disabled (by right click), i dont have the blue peoples in youtube, and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And to confirm, you fixed it by setting it to 0 ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I disabled the hw accel. by right click and i deleted the /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Ps: I use only konqueror<br>
+</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120411/6f259ccf/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120411/6f259ccf/attachment.html
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+<p><br>
+Le 11 avr. 2012 07:20, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Στις 11/04/2012 02:37:50 Anssi Hannula γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; 31.03.2012 09:43, Dimitrios Glentadakis kirjoitti:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Στις 31/03/2012 08:38:19 γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Στις 31/03/2012 02:38:24 JA Magallón γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; And, btw, to get hw video decoding I had to write a file in /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; with<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks, this solved the problem for me<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; i had to reverse to disable hw acceleration because the embedded youtube videos in konqueror are invisible (in youtube it is ok)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; So this issue happens only when EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1 ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Or does it happen when you remove the line completely as well?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Initialy i did nt have any file /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Without the file mms.cfg, if i have hw accel. enabled (by right click), i have the blue peoples in youtube but not in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - Without the file mms.cfg, if i disabled hw accel (by right click), i dont have the blue peoples in youtube, and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1, and hw accel. enabled (by right click), i dont have blue peoples in youtube but embedded videos dont shown and sometimes with crash of the nssplugginviewer<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1, and hw accel. disabled (by right click), i dont have blue peoples in youtube and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and  EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 and hw accel. enabled (by right click), i have blue peoples in youtube and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and  EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 and hw accel. disabled (by right click), i dont have the blue peoples in youtube, and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And to confirm, you fixed it by setting it to 0 ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I disabled the hw accel. by right click and i deleted the /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Ps: I use only konqueror<br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 11 Απ�ιλίου 2012 7:37 π.μ., ο χ�ήστης Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p><br>
+Le 11 avr. 2012 07:20, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :</p><div><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Στις 11/04/2012 02:37:50 Anssi Hannula γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="tel:31.03.2012%2009" value="+13103201209" target="_blank">31.03.2012 09</a>:43, Dimitrios Glentadakis kirjoitti:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Στις 31/03/2012 08:38:19 γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Στις 31/03/2012 02:38:24 JA Magallón γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; And, btw, to get hw video decoding I had to write a file in /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; with<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks, this solved the problem for me<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; i had to reverse to disable hw acceleration because the embedded youtube videos in konqueror are invisible (in youtube it is ok)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; So this issue happens only when EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1 ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Or does it happen when you remove the line completely as well?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Initialy i did nt have any file /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Without the file mms.cfg, if i have hw accel. enabled (by right click), i have the blue peoples in youtube but not in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - Without the file mms.cfg, if i disabled hw accel (by right click), i dont have the blue peoples in youtube, and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1, and hw accel. enabled (by right click), i dont have blue peoples in youtube but embedded videos dont shown and sometimes with crash of the nssplugginviewer<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1, and hw accel. disabled (by right click), i dont have blue peoples in youtube and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and  EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 and hw accel. enabled (by right click), i have blue peoples in youtube and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and  EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 and hw accel. disabled (by right click), i dont have the blue peoples in youtube, and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And to confirm, you fixed it by setting it to 0 ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I disabled the hw accel. by right click and i deleted the /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt;</div></div><p></p>
+<p>Ps: I use only konqueror<br>
+</p>
+</blockquote></div><br>Ps: i have Mageia 1, 64bit, nvidia 290.10 driver<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 11 Απ�ιλίου 2012 7:37 π.μ., ο χ�ήστης Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p><br>
+Le 11 avr. 2012 07:20, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :</p><div><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Στις 11/04/2012 02:37:50 Anssi Hannula γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="tel:31.03.2012%2009" value="+13103201209" target="_blank">31.03.2012 09</a>:43, Dimitrios Glentadakis kirjoitti:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Στις 31/03/2012 08:38:19 γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Στις 31/03/2012 02:38:24 JA Magallón γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; And, btw, to get hw video decoding I had to write a file in /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; with<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks, this solved the problem for me<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; i had to reverse to disable hw acceleration because the embedded youtube videos in konqueror are invisible (in youtube it is ok)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; So this issue happens only when EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1 ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Or does it happen when you remove the line completely as well?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Initialy i did nt have any file /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Without the file mms.cfg, if i have hw accel. enabled (by right click), i have the blue peoples in youtube but not in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - Without the file mms.cfg, if i disabled hw accel (by right click), i dont have the blue peoples in youtube, and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1, and hw accel. enabled (by right click), i dont have blue peoples in youtube but embedded videos dont shown and sometimes with crash of the nssplugginviewer<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1, and hw accel. disabled (by right click), i dont have blue peoples in youtube and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and  EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 and hw accel. enabled (by right click), i have blue peoples in youtube and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt; - With the mms.cfg and  EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 and hw accel. disabled (by right click), i dont have the blue peoples in youtube, and no problem in embedded videos<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And to confirm, you fixed it by setting it to 0 ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I disabled the hw accel. by right click and i deleted the /etc/adobe/mms.cfg<br>
+&gt;</div></div><p></p>
+<p>Ps: I use only konqueror<br>
+</p>
+</blockquote></div><br>Ps: i have Mageia 1, 64bit, nvidia 290.10 driver<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 12 Απ�ιλίου 2012 7:50 π.μ., ο χ�ήστης Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">2012/4/11 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Στις 11/04/2012 19:11:55 Wolfgang Bornath γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/4/11 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Στις 11/04/2012 16:05:23 γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; * I am not at home, actually  how much space they take ? For what kind of<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; size we are talking about ?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; The /usr/share/doc/HTML/en folder has a size of 43.5 MiB, which even now if it takes a lot of place anyone can delete this folder from his system.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We are not talking about deleting data from the harddisk. We are<br>
+&gt;&gt; talking about installing and uninstalling, not just deleting. The<br>
+&gt;&gt; issue is to avoid the installation (if not wanted) and consequently<br>
+&gt;&gt; avoid updates.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I expected the discussion about the technical options to be quite long<br>
+&gt;&gt; and not at all trivial, I did not expect such a discussion about the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;why&quot;. There are valid use cases which answer the &quot;why&quot; quite clear<br>
+&gt;&gt; and simple.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I dont understand very well.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, I see.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; - We dont have a lot of space so we want to be able to uninstall some software and it has to be the documentation as the most unwanted ?<br>
+&gt; - We want for a question of free choice to be able to choose if we want the documentation to be installed or not ? but this has to be the same for all kde software and dependencies, why is the documentation the problem.<br>
+
+<br>
+</div>We have been talking about handbooks because they are single packages<br>
+(not included in the software package) which are not needed/wanted by<br>
+everybody and they are not necessary to run the software.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Dont forget that is a part of KDE and it has a global shortcut F1 to access it. If there is a case that it will be not available until the user install it in a additionally way, it breaks the upstream software.<br>
+<br>
+</div>The important word in your sentence is &quot;if&quot;. This does not apply to<br>
+simple applications like kcalc or some simple games or whatever you<br>
+may regard as &quot;simple apps&quot;. And as said before: it does not break the<br>
+<div class="im">upstream software.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>I don&#39;t agree, i consider the handbook as a part of the application, and for me a KDE installation without the handbooks it is a broken installation.<br>
+My opinion is that the person who does nt want it has to uninstall it and not that the person who want it has to install it<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+<br>
+&gt; It is truth that i spend a lot of time to translate documentation, and i do it with love, so it is normal that i have a preference in their existence in the system; certainly i cannot use this argument here.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, you have to live with that like we all have to. I already said that.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes i have to ...IF finally a such decision will be taken<br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 12 Απ�ιλίου 2012 7:50 π.μ., ο χ�ήστης Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">2012/4/11 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Στις 11/04/2012 19:11:55 Wolfgang Bornath γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/4/11 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Στις 11/04/2012 16:05:23 γ�άψατε:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; * I am not at home, actually  how much space they take ? For what kind of<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; size we are talking about ?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; The /usr/share/doc/HTML/en folder has a size of 43.5 MiB, which even now if it takes a lot of place anyone can delete this folder from his system.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We are not talking about deleting data from the harddisk. We are<br>
+&gt;&gt; talking about installing and uninstalling, not just deleting. The<br>
+&gt;&gt; issue is to avoid the installation (if not wanted) and consequently<br>
+&gt;&gt; avoid updates.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I expected the discussion about the technical options to be quite long<br>
+&gt;&gt; and not at all trivial, I did not expect such a discussion about the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;why&quot;. There are valid use cases which answer the &quot;why&quot; quite clear<br>
+&gt;&gt; and simple.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I dont understand very well.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, I see.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; - We dont have a lot of space so we want to be able to uninstall some software and it has to be the documentation as the most unwanted ?<br>
+&gt; - We want for a question of free choice to be able to choose if we want the documentation to be installed or not ? but this has to be the same for all kde software and dependencies, why is the documentation the problem.<br>
+
+<br>
+</div>We have been talking about handbooks because they are single packages<br>
+(not included in the software package) which are not needed/wanted by<br>
+everybody and they are not necessary to run the software.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Dont forget that is a part of KDE and it has a global shortcut F1 to access it. If there is a case that it will be not available until the user install it in a additionally way, it breaks the upstream software.<br>
+<br>
+</div>The important word in your sentence is &quot;if&quot;. This does not apply to<br>
+simple applications like kcalc or some simple games or whatever you<br>
+may regard as &quot;simple apps&quot;. And as said before: it does not break the<br>
+<div class="im">upstream software.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>I don&#39;t agree, i consider the handbook as a part of the application, and for me a KDE installation without the handbooks it is a broken installation.<br>
+My opinion is that the person who does nt want it has to uninstall it and not that the person who want it has to install it<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+<br>
+&gt; It is truth that i spend a lot of time to translate documentation, and i do it with love, so it is normal that i have a preference in their existence in the system; certainly i cannot use this argument here.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, you have to live with that like we all have to. I already said that.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes i have to ...IF finally a such decision will be taken<br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<p></p>
+<p>2012/4/12 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt; We have been talking about handbooks because they are single packages<br>
+&gt; (not included in the software package) which are not needed/wanted by<br>
+&gt; everybody and they are not necessary to run the software.<br>
+Handbooks *are* part of the software and &quot;artificially&quot; generate as standalone package to fix a bug affecting live cd where this documentation was not available to ease *installation* of it instead of reinstall all of it.<br>
+
+If we&#39;re able in the future to get more space on our live-cd you can be sure that i&#39;ll (if I&#39;m still in charge) revert this ugly hack.<br>
+For the record luc also fix the installation of wrong handbooks on the DVD install ( only the suggests one should be installed with the correct app) &amp; I&#39;ll try to fix the last remaining bug pointed by anssi where a handbook could stay available when the related app is removed.</p>
+
+<p>Regards,</p>
+<p>-- <br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</p>
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+<p></p>
+<p>2012/4/12 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt; We have been talking about handbooks because they are single packages<br>
+&gt; (not included in the software package) which are not needed/wanted by<br>
+&gt; everybody and they are not necessary to run the software.<br>
+Handbooks *are* part of the software and &quot;artificially&quot; generate as standalone package to fix a bug affecting live cd where this documentation was not available to ease *installation* of it instead of reinstall all of it.<br>
+
+If we&#39;re able in the future to get more space on our live-cd you can be sure that i&#39;ll (if I&#39;m still in charge) revert this ugly hack.<br>
+For the record luc also fix the installation of wrong handbooks on the DVD install ( only the suggests one should be installed with the correct app) &amp; I&#39;ll try to fix the last remaining bug pointed by anssi where a handbook could stay available when the related app is removed.</p>
+
+<p>Regards,</p>
+<p>-- <br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</p>
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+<p>Le 12 avr. 2012 06:38, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]</p>
+<p>&gt; I am strictly opposed to include documentation in a software package,<br>
+&gt; in general, not only in the case at hand. Although I spent much time<br>
+&gt; for voluntary translation work, I still think it is up to the user if<br>
+&gt; he wants/needs the documentation. A prominent example which matches my<br>
+&gt; POV is The Gimp.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reality is that in non-technical issues people in charge decide on the<br>
+&gt; basis of their opinion. That&#39;s the normal way and the rest has to live<br>
+&gt; with it. I have no problem with that.</p>
+<p>You should here open a bug report on kde bugzilla then to get attention &amp; remove documentation from every kde tarball/project (which also means to deal with the F1 shortcut &amp; have a dynamic help menu)</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; For the record luc also fix the installation of wrong handbooks on the DVD<br>
+&gt; &gt; install ( only the suggests one should be installed with the correct app) &amp;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I&#39;ll try to fix the last remaining bug pointed by anssi where a handbook<br>
+&gt; &gt; could stay available when the related app is removed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If non-installation of handbooks is not possible then at least make it<br>
+&gt; possible to *uninstall* handbooks without having to use &#39;rpm --nodeps&#39;<br>
+&gt; on each and every one.<br>
+I don&#39;t remember having a package requiring his handbook at all since I used suggests here especially to fix the live cd problem I pointed earlier.<br>
+The idea is to ensure that you&#39;ll get kcal handbook removed when kcal package is removed.</p>
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+<p>Le 12 avr. 2012 06:38, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]</p>
+<p>&gt; I am strictly opposed to include documentation in a software package,<br>
+&gt; in general, not only in the case at hand. Although I spent much time<br>
+&gt; for voluntary translation work, I still think it is up to the user if<br>
+&gt; he wants/needs the documentation. A prominent example which matches my<br>
+&gt; POV is The Gimp.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reality is that in non-technical issues people in charge decide on the<br>
+&gt; basis of their opinion. That&#39;s the normal way and the rest has to live<br>
+&gt; with it. I have no problem with that.</p>
+<p>You should here open a bug report on kde bugzilla then to get attention &amp; remove documentation from every kde tarball/project (which also means to deal with the F1 shortcut &amp; have a dynamic help menu)</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; For the record luc also fix the installation of wrong handbooks on the DVD<br>
+&gt; &gt; install ( only the suggests one should be installed with the correct app) &amp;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I&#39;ll try to fix the last remaining bug pointed by anssi where a handbook<br>
+&gt; &gt; could stay available when the related app is removed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If non-installation of handbooks is not possible then at least make it<br>
+&gt; possible to *uninstall* handbooks without having to use &#39;rpm --nodeps&#39;<br>
+&gt; on each and every one.<br>
+I don&#39;t remember having a package requiring his handbook at all since I used suggests here especially to fix the live cd problem I pointed earlier.<br>
+The idea is to ensure that you&#39;ll get kcal handbook removed when kcal package is removed.</p>
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+Name:           indicator-application
+Summary:        Displays application menu's on panel
+Group:          Graphical desktop/GNOME
+Version:        0.5.0
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/indicator-application
+Source0:        https://launchpad.net/indicator-application/0.5/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		indicator-application-fix-configure.patch
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-glib-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(appindicator-0.1)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbus-glib-1)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+
+%description
+This package provides a library and an indicator to take the menus
+from applications and displays them on the panel bar.
+
+%files
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING
+%{_libdir}/indicator-application-service
+%{_libdir}/indicators3/
+%{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+%{_datadir}/indicator-application/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.5.0-1
+- version 0.5.0
+- fix license tag
+- fix source link
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.94-1
+- first package
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+%define oname VirtualGL
+%define libname %mklibname %{name}
+
+
+Name:           virtualgl
+Summary:        A toolkit for displaying OpenGL applications to thin clients
+Group:          Networking/Other
+Version:        2.3
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+URL:            http://www.virtualgl.org
+License:        wxWindows
+Source0:	http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualgl/%{oname}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		vgl_2.3.patch
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires:	cmake
+
+%description
+VirtualGL is a library which allows most Linux OpenGL applications to be
+remotely displayed to a thin client without the need to alter the
+applications in any way.  VGL inserts itself into an application at run time
+and intercepts a handful of GLX calls, which it reroutes to the server's
+display (which presumably has a 3D accelerator attached.)  This causes all
+3D rendering to occur on the server's display.  As each frame is rendered
+by the server, VirtualGL reads back the pixels from the server's framebuffer
+and sends them to the client for re-compositing into the appropriate X
+Window.  VirtualGL can be used to give hardware-accelerated 3D capabilities to
+VNC or other remote display environments that lack GLX support.  In a LAN
+environment, it can also be used with its built-in motion-JPEG video delivery
+system to remotely display full-screen 3D applications at 20+ frames/second.
+
+VirtualGL is based upon ideas presented in various academic papers on
+this topic, including "A Generic Solution for Hardware-Accelerated Remote
+Visualization" (Stegmaier, Magallon, Ertl 2002) and "A Framework for
+Interactive Hardware Accelerated Remote 3D-Visualization" (Engel, Sommer,
+Ertl 2000.)
+
+%files
+%doc %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/
+%{_bindir}/*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %libname
+Summary: Libraries injected by VirtualGL into applications that are ran through it
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libname
+Libraries injected by VirtualGL into applications that are ran throught it. 
+Lib package allow installing 32 and 64 bits libraries at the same time.
+
+%files -n %libname
+%dir %{_libdir}/fakelib/
+%{_libdir}/fakelib/libGL.so
+%{_libdir}/librrfaker.so
+%{_libdir}/libdlfaker.so
+%{_libdir}/libgefaker.so
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package devel
+Summary:	A toolkit for displaying OpenGL applications to thin clients
+Group:		Networking/Other
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+
+%description devel
+VirtualGL is a library which allows most Linux OpenGL applications to be
+remotely displayed to a thin client without the need to alter the
+applications in any way.  VGL inserts itself into an application at run
+time and intercepts a handful of GLX calls, which it reroutes to the
+server's display (which presumably has a 3D accelerator attached). This
+causes all 3D rendering to occur on the server's display.  As each frame
+is rendered by the server, VirtualGL reads back the pixels from the
+server's framebuffer and sends them to the client for re-compositing into
+the appropriate X Window. VirtualGL can be used to give hardware-
+-accelerated 3D capabilities to VNC or other remote display environments
+that lack GLX support.  In a LAN environment, it can also be used with
+its built-in motion-JPEG video delivery system to remotely display
+full-screen 3D applications at 20+ frames/second. 
+VirtualGL is based upon ideas presented in various academic papers on
+this topic, including "A Generic Solution for Hardware-Accelerated Remote
+Visualization" (Stegmaier, Magallon, Ertl 2002) and "A Framework for
+Interactive Hardware Accelerated Remote 3D-Visualization" (Engel, Sommer,
+Ertl 2000.)
+
+%files devel
+%{_includedir}/rrtransport.h
+%{_includedir}/rr.h
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{oname}-%{version}
+%patch0 -p1
+
+%build
+cmake -G "Unix Makefiles" \
+    -DCMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR:PATH=%{_libdir} \
+    -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=%{_prefix} \
+    -DVGL_DOCDIR=%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name} \
+    -DVGL_LIBDIR=%{_libdir} \
+    -DTJPEG_INCLUDE_DIR=%{_includedir} \
+    -DTJPEG_LIBRARY=%{_libdir}/libturbojpeg.so
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+rm -rf %{buildroot}%{_prefix}/fakelib
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/fakelib
+ln -sf ../librrfaker.so %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/fakelib/libGL.so
+mv -f %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/glxinfo %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/glxinfo2
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 2.3-2
+- fix license tag
+- fix patch name
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 2.3-1
+- first package
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+
+Name:           indicator-appmenu
+Summary:        An indicator to host the menus from an application
+Group:          Graphical desktop/GNOME
+Version:        0.3.97
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu
+Source0:        https://launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/0.4/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		indicator-appmenu-0.3.97-disable-werror.patch
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-glib-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  gtk-doc-mkpdf
+
+%description
+An indicator to host the menus from an application.
+
+%files
+%doc ABOUT-NLS AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING NEWS README
+%{_bindir}/hud-*
+%{_libdir}/hud-service
+%{_libdir}/indicators3/
+%{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.indicator.appmenu*gschema.xml
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/hud/
+%{_mandir}/man1/hud-*.1.*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.97-2
+- fix license
+- fix source link
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.97-1
+- first package
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+%define major 1
+%define libname %mklibname appindicator %{major}
+%define libdevel %mklibname appindicator -d
+
+Name:           libappindicator
+Summary:        A set of symbols and convience functions for indicators
+Group:          System/Libraries
+Version:        0.4.92
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/libappindicator
+Source0:        http://launchpad.net/libappindicator/0.5/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+# PATCH-FIX-OPENSUSE - libappindicator-mono-nunit-fix.patch nmarques@opensuse.org 
+#-- use mono-nunit for pkgconfig() calls instead of nunit
+Patch0:		libappindicator-mono-nunit-fix.patch
+Patch1:		libappindicator-0.4.92-configure.patch
+BuildRequires:  gnome-common
+BuildRequires:  gtk-doc
+BuildRequires:  intltool
+BuildRequires:  perl-XML-SAX
+BuildRequires:  vala-devel
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-gtk3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gapi-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gobject-introspection-1.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gnome-doc-utils)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk-sharp-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicate-0.6)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(libpng15)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(mono)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(mono-nunit)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(pygobject-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(pygtk-2.0)
+
+%description
+A library to allow applications to export a menu into the Unity Menu bar.
+Based on KSNI it also works in KDE and will fallback to generic Systray
+support if none of those are available.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:        libappindicator library
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+Library for libappindicator.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libappindicator.so.%{major}*
+%{_libdir}/girepository-1.0/*.typelib
+%{_libdir}/cli/appindicator-sharp-0.1/
+%{py_platlibdir}/site-packages/appindicator/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{name}-sharp
+Summary:        libappindicator tool
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{name}-sharp
+Tool to load libappindicator plugins.
+
+%files -n %{name}-sharp
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/appindicator-sharp/
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/appindicator-sharp/
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/policy.0.0.appindicator-sharp/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libdevel}
+Summary:        libappindicator development files
+Group:          Development/GNOME and GTK+
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+
+%description -n %{libdevel}
+Development files needed by libappindicator.
+
+%files -n %{libdevel}
+%{_includedir}/libappindicator-0.1/
+%{_libdir}/libappindicator.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*.pc
+%{_datadir}/gir-1.0/AppIndicator-0.1.gir
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libappindicator/
+%{_datadir}/pygtk/2.0/defs/appindicator.defs
+%{_datadir}/vala/vapi/appindicator-0.1.*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-2
+- fix license
+- its needed to run autoreconf to detect dependencies properly
+- gtk-doc is needed
+- do not own dirs that belong to another package
+- fix requires
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-1
+- first package
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+%define major 7
+%define libtool %mklibname indicator3
+%define libname %mklibname indicator3_ %{major}
+%define libdevel %mklibname indicator3 -d
+
+Name:           libindicator
+Summary:        A set of symbols and convience functions for indicators
+Group:          System/Libraries
+Version:        0.5.0
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/libindicator
+Source0:        http://launchpad.net/libindicator/0.5/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+
+%description
+A set of symbols and convience functions that all indicators would like
+to use. Not of real use outside of the Ayatana indicators project.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:        libindicator3 library
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+Library for libindicator3.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libindicator3.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libtool}-tools
+Summary:        libindicator3 tool
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libtool}-tools
+Tool to load libindicator3 plugins.
+
+%files -n %{libtool}-tools
+%{_libdir}/indicator-loader3
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-blank.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-entry-func.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-null.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-signaler.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-simple.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-visible.so
+   
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libdevel}
+Summary:        libindicator3 development files
+Group:          Development/GNOME and GTK+
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+
+%description -n %{libdevel}
+Development files needed by libindicator3.
+
+%files -n %{libdevel}
+%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL
+%{_includedir}/libindicator3-0.4/libindicator/
+%{_libdir}/libindicator3.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/indicator3-0.4.pc
+%{_datadir}/libindicator/80indicator-debugging
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.5.0-1
+- version 0.5.0
+- fix requires
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-1
+- first package
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..b0fcfdad3
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0006.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,65 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120127
+
+
+Name:		bumblebee-ui
+Summary:	Bumblebee User Interface
+Group:		System/Configuration/Other
+Version:	1.0
+Release:	%mkrel 2
+URL:		https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui
+License:	GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui.git
+Source0:	%{name}-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:%{gitdate}}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	bumblebee
+Requires:	indicator-appmenu
+
+%description
+This is a user interface for bumblebee.
+A complete explanation of the feature of this user interface are
+explained here : 
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/wiki
+Please report bugs to:
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/issues
+
+%files
+%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee*
+%{_datadir}/%{name}/
+%{_datadir}/applications/*
+%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/*
+
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n %{name}}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+cp icons/*.* %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/{%{name},applications}
+cp app/*.* %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+cp bumblebee-app-settings.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_bindir}
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/AppSettings.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-app-settings
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/Bumblebee-Indicator.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-indicator
+
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-app-settings.desktop
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+chmod +x -R %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+
+# Always start in boot
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+
+
+%changelog
+* Tue Apr 10 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-2
+- needs indicator-appmenu
+- move to develop branch
+- use versioned source
+- change description as pointed by Anssi
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-1
+- initial package
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0007.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0007.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..e52de24ba
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0007.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,60 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20111031
+%define modname acpi_call
+
+Name:           dkms-%{modname}
+Summary:        A kernel module that enables you to call ACPI methods
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        0.1
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/acpi_call
+License:        GPL
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/acpi_call.git
+Source0:	%{modname}-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:%{gitdate}}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	dkms
+
+%description
+A kernel module that enables you to call ACPI methods by writing the
+method name followed by arguments to /proc/acpi/call.
+
+%files
+%doc README
+%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}/*
+
+%post
+/usr/sbin/dkms add -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade &&
+/usr/sbin/dkms build -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade &&
+/usr/sbin/dkms install -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --force
+true
+/sbin/modprobe %{modname}
+
+%preun
+dkms remove --binary -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --all
+true
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n %{modname}}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+mkdir -p -m755 %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp -a * %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}
+# DKMS config
+cat > %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}/dkms.conf << 'EOF'
+PACKAGE_NAME="%{modname}"
+PACKAGE_VERSION="%{version}-%{release}"
+BUILT_MODULE_NAME[0]="%{modname}"
+DEST_MODULE_LOCATION[0]="/kernel/drivers/acpi"
+AUTOINSTALL="yes"
+EOF
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 1.0-2
+- set with mageia dkms policy
+- use versioned source
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 1.0-1
+- initial package
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0008.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0008.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..6f57b72cc
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0008.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,112 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120413
+
+# Use Nvidia proprietary driver by default
+%bcond_without nvidia
+
+
+Name:           bumblebee
+Summary:        Bumblebee - support for NVidia Optimus laptops on Linux!
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        3.0
+Release:        %mkrel 3
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee
+License:        GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee.git
+# we need to change to develop branch to allow changing to nouveau without
+# using nvidia paths
+Source0:	Bumblebee-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:%{gitdate}}.tar.xz
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(glib-2.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libbsd)
+BuildRequires:	help2man
+Requires(pre):	update-alternatives
+Requires:	virtualgl
+%if %{with nvidia}
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nvidia-current
+%else
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nouveau
+%endif
+Requires:	kmod(bbswitch)
+Requires:	kmod(acpi_call)
+
+%description
+Bumblebee daemon is a rewrite of the original Bumblebee service,
+providing an elegant and stable means of managing Optimus hybrid
+graphics chipsets.
+A primary goal of this project is to not only enable use of the
+discrete GPU for rendering, but also to enable smart power management
+of the dGPU when it's not in use.
+
+%files
+%doc README.markdown doc/RELEASE_NOTES_3_0
+%{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/bumblebee
+%dir %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia
+/lib/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+%{_sbindir}/bumblebeed
+%{_bindir}/optirun
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee-bugreport
+%{_mandir}/man1/bumblebeed.1.*
+%{_mandir}/man1/optirun.1.*
+
+%pre
+%_pre_groupadd %{name}
+if [ "$1" -eq "1" ];then
+%if %{with nvidia}
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
+%else
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/ld.so.conf.d/GL/standard.conf
+%endif
+fi
+
+%postun
+%_postun_groupdel %{name}
+# this is still needed since is not done by default
+/bin/systemctl --system daemon-reload
+
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n Bumblebee}
+# Fix screen for Nvidia
+sed -i 's#DFP#CRT-0#g' conf/xorg.conf.nvidia
+
+%build
+%{?git:NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi}
+%configure2_5x \
+%if %{with nvidia}
+CONF_DRIVER=nvidia \
+CONF_DRIVER_MODULE_NVIDIA=nvidia-current \
+%endif
+%ifarch x86_64
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current:%{_libdir}/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_libdir}/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/modules,%{_libdir}/xorg/modules,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/extra-modules,%{_libdir}/xorg/extra-modules
+%else
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/modules,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/extra-modules
+%endif
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+install -m644 -D scripts/systemd/bumblebeed.service %{buildroot}/lib/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+
+
+%changelog
+* Fri Apr 13 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-3
+- move to develop branch (more bug fixes)
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-2
+- set to build with nvidia proprietary driver by default
+- clean scriptlets since systemd service is handled by default
+- clean SysVinit service since systemd is used by default
+- main systemd default main dir is not in /etc
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-1
+- 3.0 (from git), initial package
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0009.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0009.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0791a56b4
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0009.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,60 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120301
+%define oname bbswitch
+
+
+Name:           dkms-%{oname}
+Summary:        bbswitch - Optimus GPU power switcher
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        0.4.1
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch.git
+Source0:        %{oname}-20120301.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	dkms
+
+%description
+bbswitch is a kernel module which automatically detects the required
+ACPI calls for two kinds of Optimus laptops. It has been verified to
+work with "real" Optimus and "legacy" Optimus laptops (at least, that
+is how I call them).
+
+%files 
+%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}/*
+
+%post
+dkms add -m %{oname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade &&
+dkms build -m %{oname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade &&
+dkms install -m %{oname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --force
+true
+/sbin/modprobe %{oname}
+
+%preun
+dkms remove --binary -m %{oname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --all
+true
+/sbin/rmmod %{oname}
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep 
+%setup -qn %{oname}
+sed -i 's/#MODULE_VERSION#/%{version}-%{release}/g' dkms/dkms.conf
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp *.c %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp Makefile %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp dkms/dkms.conf %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}/dkms.conf
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.1-2
+- use plain require,that way is neeed to have requires on scriplets
+- move to develop branch
+- use versioned source
+- set to release to allow upgrade in same version
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.1-1
+- initial package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0010.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0010.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..ec845f9be
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0010.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,44 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120206
+
+
+Name:           optidesk
+Summary:        Tool to configure .desktop files to run with optirun
+Group:          Graphical desktop/Other
+Version:        0.1
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/optidesk
+License:        GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/optidesk.git
+Source0:	%{name}-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:20120206}.tar.xz
+Requires:	bumblebee
+
+%description
+This tool is intended to be an easy way of configuring your desired
+applications to be run through Bumblebee. It will allow to create
+and modify a menu entry with an alternative (Optirun) version of the
+default launcher.
+
+%files
+%{_bindir}/%{name}
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n %{name}}
+
+%build
+NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi
+%configure2_5x
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 3.0-2
+- move to develop branch (more bug fixes)
+- use versioned source
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 3.0-1
+- initial package
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0b895ccf1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0011.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,80 @@
+%define major 0
+%define libname %mklibname bsd %{major}
+%define libnamedev %mklibname bsd -d
+
+Name:		libbsd
+Summary:	Library providing BSD-compatible functions for portability
+Group:		System/Libraries
+Version:	0.3.0
+Release:	%mkrel 2
+License:	BSD and ISC and Copyright only and Public Domain
+URL:		http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/
+Source0:	http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+
+%description
+libbsd provides useful functions commonly found on BSD systems, and
+lacking on others like GNU systems, thus making it easier to port
+projects with strong BSD origins, without needing to embed the same
+code over and over again on each project.
+
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:	libbsdb libary
+Group:		System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+libbsd libary.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libbsd.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libnamedev}
+Summary:	Development files for libbsd
+Group:		Development/C
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+Provides:	%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description -n %{libnamedev}
+Development files for the libbsd library.
+
+%files -n %{libnamedev}
+%doc ChangeLog COPYING README TODO
+%{_mandir}/man3/*
+%{_includedir}/*.h
+%{_includedir}/bsd/
+%{_libdir}/libbsd.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/libbsd*.pc
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+# fix encoding of flopen.3 man page
+for f in src/flopen.3; do
+  iconv -f iso8859-1 -t utf-8 $f >$f.conv
+  touch -r $f $f.conv
+  mv $f.conv $f
+done
+
+%build
+%setup_compile_flags
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std \
+    libdir=%{_libdir} \
+    usrlibdir=%{_libdir} \
+    exec_prefix=%{_prefix}
+
+# clean static library
+rm %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/libbsd.a
+
+# Move nlist.h into bsd directory to avoid conflict with elfutils-libelf.
+mv %{buildroot}%{_includedir}/nlist.h %{buildroot}%{_includedir}/bsd/
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.3.0-2
+- set build flasg
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.3.0-1
+- first package
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0012.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0012.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..87aaff516
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0012.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,107 @@
+%define api 3
+%define major 0
+%define libname %mklibname %{name}%{api}_ %{major}
+%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name}%{api} -d
+
+
+Name:		bamf
+Summary:	Application matching framework
+Group:		System/Libraries
+Version:	0.2.114
+Release:	%mkrel 2
+License:	GPLv3
+URL:		https://launchpad.net/bamf
+Source0:	https://launchpad.net/bamf/0.2/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+BuildRequires:	gtk-doc
+BuildRequires:	vala-tools
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbus-1)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbus-glib-1)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(glib-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gobject-introspection-1.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libwnck-1.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libwnck-3.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libgtop-2.0)
+
+%description
+BAMF removes the headache of applications matching into a simple DBus
+daemon and C wrapper library. Currently features application matching
+at amazing levels of accuracy (covering nearly every corner case). This
+package contains the bamf library built against GTK+ 2.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package daemon
+Summary:	Application matching framework
+Group:		System/Libraries
+License:	GPLv3
+
+%description daemon
+BAMF removes the headache of applications matching into a simple DBus
+daemon and C wrapper library. Currently features application matching
+at amazing levels of accuracy (covering nearly every corner case). This
+package contains the bamf daemon and supporting data.
+
+%files daemon
+%doc COPYING
+%{_libdir}/bamfdaemon/
+%{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:	Application matching framework (GTK+ 3)
+Group:		System/Libraries
+
+%description -n	%{libname}
+BAMF removes the headache of applications matching into a simple DBus
+daemon and C wrapper library. Currently features application matching
+at amazing levels of accuracy (covering nearly every corner case). This
+package contains the bamf library built against GTK+ 3.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libbamf3.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libnamedev}
+Summary:	Development files for %{name} (GTK+ 3)
+Group:		Development/GNOME and GTK+
+License:	GPLv3
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+
+%description -n	%{libnamedev}
+The %{name}3-devel package contains libraries and header files for
+developing applications that use %{name} (GTK+ 3).
+
+%files -n %{libnamedev}
+%doc COPYING.LGPL COPYING
+%{_includedir}/libbamf3/
+%{_libdir}/libbamf3.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/libbamf3.pc
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libbamf/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+sed -i 's/CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -Wall -Werror -lm"/CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -Wall -lm"/' configure
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+    --disable-static \
+    --enable-introspection=yes
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.2.114-2
+- fix source link
+- fix requires
+- gtk-doc is needed
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.2.114-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0013.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0013.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..ba5d8864d
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0013.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,51 @@
+Name:           indicator-application
+Summary:        Displays application menu's on panel
+Group:          Graphical desktop/GNOME
+Version:        0.5.0
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/indicator-application
+Source0:        https://launchpad.net/indicator-application/0.5/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		indicator-application-fix-configure.patch
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-glib-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(appindicator-0.1)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbus-glib-1)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+
+%description
+This package provides a library and an indicator to take the menus
+from applications and displays them on the panel bar.
+
+%files
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING
+%{_libdir}/indicator-application-service
+%{_libdir}/indicators3/
+%{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+%{_datadir}/indicator-application/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.5.0-1
+- version 0.5.0
+- fix license tag
+- fix source link
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.94-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0014.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0014.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f3de7aa4c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0014.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,120 @@
+%define oname VirtualGL
+%define libname %mklibname %{name}
+
+
+Name:           virtualgl
+Summary:        A toolkit for displaying OpenGL applications to thin clients
+Group:          Networking/Other
+Version:        2.3
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+URL:            http://www.virtualgl.org
+License:        wxWindows
+Source0:	http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualgl/%{oname}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		vgl_2.3.patch
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	jpeg-devel
+BuildRequires:	cmake
+
+%description
+VirtualGL is a library which allows most Linux OpenGL applications to be
+remotely displayed to a thin client without the need to alter the
+applications in any way.  VGL inserts itself into an application at run time
+and intercepts a handful of GLX calls, which it reroutes to the server's
+display (which presumably has a 3D accelerator attached.)  This causes all
+3D rendering to occur on the server's display.  As each frame is rendered
+by the server, VirtualGL reads back the pixels from the server's framebuffer
+and sends them to the client for re-compositing into the appropriate X
+Window.  VirtualGL can be used to give hardware-accelerated 3D capabilities to
+VNC or other remote display environments that lack GLX support.  In a LAN
+environment, it can also be used with its built-in motion-JPEG video delivery
+system to remotely display full-screen 3D applications at 20+ frames/second.
+
+VirtualGL is based upon ideas presented in various academic papers on
+this topic, including "A Generic Solution for Hardware-Accelerated Remote
+Visualization" (Stegmaier, Magallon, Ertl 2002) and "A Framework for
+Interactive Hardware Accelerated Remote 3D-Visualization" (Engel, Sommer,
+Ertl 2000.)
+
+%files
+%doc %{_defaultdocdir}/%{name}/
+%{_bindir}/*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %libname
+Summary: Libraries injected by VirtualGL into applications that are ran through it
+Group: System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %libname
+Libraries injected by VirtualGL into applications that are ran throught it. 
+Lib package allow installing 32 and 64 bits libraries at the same time.
+
+%files -n %libname
+%dir %{_libdir}/fakelib/
+%{_libdir}/fakelib/libGL.so
+%{_libdir}/librrfaker.so
+%{_libdir}/libdlfaker.so
+%{_libdir}/libgefaker.so
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package devel
+Summary:	A toolkit for displaying OpenGL applications to thin clients
+Group:		Networking/Other
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+
+%description devel
+VirtualGL is a library which allows most Linux OpenGL applications to be
+remotely displayed to a thin client without the need to alter the
+applications in any way.  VGL inserts itself into an application at run
+time and intercepts a handful of GLX calls, which it reroutes to the
+server's display (which presumably has a 3D accelerator attached). This
+causes all 3D rendering to occur on the server's display.  As each frame
+is rendered by the server, VirtualGL reads back the pixels from the
+server's framebuffer and sends them to the client for re-compositing into
+the appropriate X Window. VirtualGL can be used to give hardware-
+-accelerated 3D capabilities to VNC or other remote display environments
+that lack GLX support.  In a LAN environment, it can also be used with
+its built-in motion-JPEG video delivery system to remotely display
+full-screen 3D applications at 20+ frames/second. 
+VirtualGL is based upon ideas presented in various academic papers on
+this topic, including "A Generic Solution for Hardware-Accelerated Remote
+Visualization" (Stegmaier, Magallon, Ertl 2002) and "A Framework for
+Interactive Hardware Accelerated Remote 3D-Visualization" (Engel, Sommer,
+Ertl 2000.)
+
+%files devel
+%{_includedir}/rrtransport.h
+%{_includedir}/rr.h
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -qn %{oname}-%{version}
+%patch0 -p1
+
+%build
+cmake -G "Unix Makefiles" \
+    -DCMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR:PATH=%{_libdir} \
+    -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=%{_prefix} \
+    -DVGL_DOCDIR=%{_defaultdocdir}/%{name} \
+    -DVGL_LIBDIR=%{_libdir} \
+    -DTJPEG_INCLUDE_DIR=%{_includedir} \
+    -DTJPEG_LIBRARY=%{_libdir}/libturbojpeg.so
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+rm -rf %{buildroot}%{_prefix}/fakelib
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/fakelib
+ln -sf ../librrfaker.so %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/fakelib/libGL.so
+mv -f %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/glxinfo %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/glxinfo2
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 2.3-2
+- fix license tag
+- fix patch name
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 2.3-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0015.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0015.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..e35f6f3ff
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0015.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,51 @@
+
+Name:           indicator-appmenu
+Summary:        An indicator to host the menus from an application
+Group:          Graphical desktop/GNOME
+Version:        0.3.97
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu
+Source0:        https://launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/0.4/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Patch0:		indicator-appmenu-0.3.97-disable-werror.patch
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-glib-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  gtk-doc-mkpdf
+
+%description
+An indicator to host the menus from an application.
+
+%files
+%doc ABOUT-NLS AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING NEWS README
+%{_bindir}/hud-*
+%{_libdir}/hud-service
+%{_libdir}/indicators3/
+%{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.indicator.appmenu*gschema.xml
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/hud/
+%{_mandir}/man1/hud-*.1.*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.97-2
+- fix license
+- fix source link
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.97-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0016.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0016.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..f12d39069
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0016.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,113 @@
+%define major 1
+%define libname %mklibname appindicator %{major}
+%define libdevel %mklibname appindicator -d
+
+Name:           libappindicator
+Summary:        A set of symbols and convience functions for indicators
+Group:          System/Libraries
+Version:        0.4.92
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/libappindicator
+Source0:        http://launchpad.net/libappindicator/0.5/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+# PATCH-FIX-OPENSUSE - libappindicator-mono-nunit-fix.patch nmarques@opensuse.org 
+#-- use mono-nunit for pkgconfig() calls instead of nunit
+Patch0:		libappindicator-mono-nunit-fix.patch
+Patch1:		libappindicator-0.4.92-configure.patch
+BuildRequires:  gnome-common
+BuildRequires:  gtk-doc
+BuildRequires:  intltool
+BuildRequires:  perl-XML-SAX
+BuildRequires:  vala-devel
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbusmenu-gtk3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gapi-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gobject-introspection-1.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gnome-doc-utils)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk-sharp-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicate-0.6)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(indicator3-0.4)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(libpng15)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(mono)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(mono-nunit)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(pygobject-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(pygtk-2.0)
+
+%description
+A library to allow applications to export a menu into the Unity Menu bar.
+Based on KSNI it also works in KDE and will fallback to generic Systray
+support if none of those are available.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:        libappindicator library
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+Library for libappindicator.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libappindicator.so.%{major}*
+%{_libdir}/girepository-1.0/*.typelib
+%{_libdir}/cli/appindicator-sharp-0.1/
+%{py_platlibdir}/site-packages/appindicator/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{name}-sharp
+Summary:        libappindicator tool
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{name}-sharp
+Tool to load libappindicator plugins.
+
+%files -n %{name}-sharp
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/appindicator-sharp/
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/appindicator-sharp/
+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/policy.0.0.appindicator-sharp/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libdevel}
+Summary:        libappindicator development files
+Group:          Development/GNOME and GTK+
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+
+%description -n %{libdevel}
+Development files needed by libappindicator.
+
+%files -n %{libdevel}
+%{_includedir}/libappindicator-0.1/
+%{_libdir}/libappindicator.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*.pc
+%{_datadir}/gir-1.0/AppIndicator-0.1.gir
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libappindicator/
+%{_datadir}/pygtk/2.0/defs/appindicator.defs
+%{_datadir}/vala/vapi/appindicator-0.1.*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+%apply_patches
+
+%build
+NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-2
+- fix license
+- its needed to run autoreconf to detect dependencies properly
+- gtk-doc is needed
+- do not own dirs that belong to another package
+- fix requires
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0017.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0017.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..642412472
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0017.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,86 @@
+%define major 7
+%define libtool %mklibname indicator3
+%define libname %mklibname indicator3_ %{major}
+%define libdevel %mklibname indicator3 -d
+
+Name:           libindicator
+Summary:        A set of symbols and convience functions for indicators
+Group:          System/Libraries
+Version:        0.5.0
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            http://launchpad.net/libindicator
+Source0:        http://launchpad.net/libindicator/0.5/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+
+%description
+A set of symbols and convience functions that all indicators would like
+to use. Not of real use outside of the Ayatana indicators project.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:        libindicator3 library
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+Library for libindicator3.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libindicator3.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libtool}-tools
+Summary:        libindicator3 tool
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libtool}-tools
+Tool to load libindicator3 plugins.
+
+%files -n %{libtool}-tools
+%{_libdir}/indicator-loader3
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-blank.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-entry-func.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-null.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-signaler.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-simple.so
+%{_libdir}/libdummy-indicator-visible.so
+   
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libdevel}
+Summary:        libindicator3 development files
+Group:          Development/GNOME and GTK+
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+
+%description -n %{libdevel}
+Development files needed by libindicator3.
+
+%files -n %{libdevel}
+%doc AUTHORS ChangeLog COPYING INSTALL
+%{_includedir}/libindicator3-0.4/libindicator/
+%{_libdir}/libindicator3.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/indicator3-0.4.pc
+%{_datadir}/libindicator/80indicator-debugging
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+  --disable-static
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.5.0-1
+- version 0.5.0
+- fix requires
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.93-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0018.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0018.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..b0fcfdad3
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0018.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,65 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120127
+
+
+Name:		bumblebee-ui
+Summary:	Bumblebee User Interface
+Group:		System/Configuration/Other
+Version:	1.0
+Release:	%mkrel 2
+URL:		https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui
+License:	GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui.git
+Source0:	%{name}-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:%{gitdate}}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	bumblebee
+Requires:	indicator-appmenu
+
+%description
+This is a user interface for bumblebee.
+A complete explanation of the feature of this user interface are
+explained here : 
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/wiki
+Please report bugs to:
+    https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ui/issues
+
+%files
+%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee*
+%{_datadir}/%{name}/
+%{_datadir}/applications/*
+%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/*
+
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n %{name}}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+cp icons/*.* %{buildroot}%{_iconsdir}/hicolor/48x48/apps/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/{%{name},applications}
+cp app/*.* %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+cp bumblebee-app-settings.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_bindir}
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/AppSettings.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-app-settings
+ln -s %{_datadir}/%{name}/Bumblebee-Indicator.py %{buildroot}%{_bindir}/bumblebee-indicator
+
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-app-settings.desktop
+chmod +x %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/applications/bumblebee-indicator.desktop
+chmod +x -R %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}
+
+# Always start in boot
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+cp bumblebee-indicator.desktop %{buildroot}%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart
+
+
+%changelog
+* Tue Apr 10 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-2
+- needs indicator-appmenu
+- move to develop branch
+- use versioned source
+- change description as pointed by Anssi
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 1.0-1
+- initial package
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0019.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0019.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..e52de24ba
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0019.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,60 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20111031
+%define modname acpi_call
+
+Name:           dkms-%{modname}
+Summary:        A kernel module that enables you to call ACPI methods
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        0.1
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/acpi_call
+License:        GPL
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/acpi_call.git
+Source0:	%{modname}-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:%{gitdate}}.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	dkms
+
+%description
+A kernel module that enables you to call ACPI methods by writing the
+method name followed by arguments to /proc/acpi/call.
+
+%files
+%doc README
+%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}/*
+
+%post
+/usr/sbin/dkms add -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade &&
+/usr/sbin/dkms build -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade &&
+/usr/sbin/dkms install -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --force
+true
+/sbin/modprobe %{modname}
+
+%preun
+dkms remove --binary -m %{modname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --all
+true
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n %{modname}}
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+mkdir -p -m755 %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp -a * %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}
+# DKMS config
+cat > %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{modname}-%{version}-%{release}/dkms.conf << 'EOF'
+PACKAGE_NAME="%{modname}"
+PACKAGE_VERSION="%{version}-%{release}"
+BUILT_MODULE_NAME[0]="%{modname}"
+DEST_MODULE_LOCATION[0]="/kernel/drivers/acpi"
+AUTOINSTALL="yes"
+EOF
+
+%changelog
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 1.0-2
+- set with mageia dkms policy
+- use versioned source
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 1.0-1
+- initial package
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0020.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0020.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..6f57b72cc
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0020.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,112 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120413
+
+# Use Nvidia proprietary driver by default
+%bcond_without nvidia
+
+
+Name:           bumblebee
+Summary:        Bumblebee - support for NVidia Optimus laptops on Linux!
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        3.0
+Release:        %mkrel 3
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee
+License:        GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee.git
+# we need to change to develop branch to allow changing to nouveau without
+# using nvidia paths
+Source0:	Bumblebee-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:%{gitdate}}.tar.xz
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(glib-2.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libbsd)
+BuildRequires:	help2man
+Requires(pre):	update-alternatives
+Requires:	virtualgl
+%if %{with nvidia}
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nvidia-current
+%else
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nouveau
+%endif
+Requires:	kmod(bbswitch)
+Requires:	kmod(acpi_call)
+
+%description
+Bumblebee daemon is a rewrite of the original Bumblebee service,
+providing an elegant and stable means of managing Optimus hybrid
+graphics chipsets.
+A primary goal of this project is to not only enable use of the
+discrete GPU for rendering, but also to enable smart power management
+of the dGPU when it's not in use.
+
+%files
+%doc README.markdown doc/RELEASE_NOTES_3_0
+%{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/bumblebee
+%dir %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia
+/lib/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+%{_sbindir}/bumblebeed
+%{_bindir}/optirun
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee-bugreport
+%{_mandir}/man1/bumblebeed.1.*
+%{_mandir}/man1/optirun.1.*
+
+%pre
+%_pre_groupadd %{name}
+if [ "$1" -eq "1" ];then
+%if %{with nvidia}
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
+%else
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/ld.so.conf.d/GL/standard.conf
+%endif
+fi
+
+%postun
+%_postun_groupdel %{name}
+# this is still needed since is not done by default
+/bin/systemctl --system daemon-reload
+
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n Bumblebee}
+# Fix screen for Nvidia
+sed -i 's#DFP#CRT-0#g' conf/xorg.conf.nvidia
+
+%build
+%{?git:NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi}
+%configure2_5x \
+%if %{with nvidia}
+CONF_DRIVER=nvidia \
+CONF_DRIVER_MODULE_NVIDIA=nvidia-current \
+%endif
+%ifarch x86_64
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current:%{_libdir}/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_libdir}/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/modules,%{_libdir}/xorg/modules,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/extra-modules,%{_libdir}/xorg/extra-modules
+%else
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/modules,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/extra-modules
+%endif
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+install -m644 -D scripts/systemd/bumblebeed.service %{buildroot}/lib/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+
+
+%changelog
+* Fri Apr 13 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-3
+- move to develop branch (more bug fixes)
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-2
+- set to build with nvidia proprietary driver by default
+- clean scriptlets since systemd service is handled by default
+- clean SysVinit service since systemd is used by default
+- main systemd default main dir is not in /etc
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-1
+- 3.0 (from git), initial package
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0791a56b4
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0021.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,60 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120301
+%define oname bbswitch
+
+
+Name:           dkms-%{oname}
+Summary:        bbswitch - Optimus GPU power switcher
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        0.4.1
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bbswitch.git
+Source0:        %{oname}-20120301.tar.xz
+BuildArch:	noarch
+Requires:	dkms
+
+%description
+bbswitch is a kernel module which automatically detects the required
+ACPI calls for two kinds of Optimus laptops. It has been verified to
+work with "real" Optimus and "legacy" Optimus laptops (at least, that
+is how I call them).
+
+%files 
+%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}/*
+
+%post
+dkms add -m %{oname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade &&
+dkms build -m %{oname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade &&
+dkms install -m %{oname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --force
+true
+/sbin/modprobe %{oname}
+
+%preun
+dkms remove --binary -m %{oname} -v %{version}-%{release} --rpm_safe_upgrade --all
+true
+/sbin/rmmod %{oname}
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep 
+%setup -qn %{oname}
+sed -i 's/#MODULE_VERSION#/%{version}-%{release}/g' dkms/dkms.conf
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+mkdir -p %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp *.c %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp Makefile %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}
+cp dkms/dkms.conf %{buildroot}%{_usrsrc}/%{oname}-%{version}-%{release}/dkms.conf
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.1-2
+- use plain require,that way is neeed to have requires on scriplets
+- move to develop branch
+- use versioned source
+- set to release to allow upgrade in same version
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.4.1-1
+- initial package
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..ec845f9be
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0022.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,44 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120206
+
+
+Name:           optidesk
+Summary:        Tool to configure .desktop files to run with optirun
+Group:          Graphical desktop/Other
+Version:        0.1
+Release:        %mkrel 2
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/optidesk
+License:        GPLv3
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/optidesk.git
+Source0:	%{name}-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:20120206}.tar.xz
+Requires:	bumblebee
+
+%description
+This tool is intended to be an easy way of configuring your desired
+applications to be run through Bumblebee. It will allow to create
+and modify a menu entry with an alternative (Optirun) version of the
+default launcher.
+
+%files
+%{_bindir}/%{name}
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n %{name}}
+
+%build
+NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi
+%configure2_5x
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 3.0-2
+- move to develop branch (more bug fixes)
+- use versioned source
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 3.0-1
+- initial package
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0b895ccf1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment-0023.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,80 @@
+%define major 0
+%define libname %mklibname bsd %{major}
+%define libnamedev %mklibname bsd -d
+
+Name:		libbsd
+Summary:	Library providing BSD-compatible functions for portability
+Group:		System/Libraries
+Version:	0.3.0
+Release:	%mkrel 2
+License:	BSD and ISC and Copyright only and Public Domain
+URL:		http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/
+Source0:	http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/releases/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+
+%description
+libbsd provides useful functions commonly found on BSD systems, and
+lacking on others like GNU systems, thus making it easier to port
+projects with strong BSD origins, without needing to embed the same
+code over and over again on each project.
+
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:	libbsdb libary
+Group:		System/Libraries
+
+%description -n %{libname}
+libbsd libary.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libbsd.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libnamedev}
+Summary:	Development files for libbsd
+Group:		Development/C
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+Provides:	%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description -n %{libnamedev}
+Development files for the libbsd library.
+
+%files -n %{libnamedev}
+%doc ChangeLog COPYING README TODO
+%{_mandir}/man3/*
+%{_includedir}/*.h
+%{_includedir}/bsd/
+%{_libdir}/libbsd.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/libbsd*.pc
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+# fix encoding of flopen.3 man page
+for f in src/flopen.3; do
+  iconv -f iso8859-1 -t utf-8 $f >$f.conv
+  touch -r $f $f.conv
+  mv $f.conv $f
+done
+
+%build
+%setup_compile_flags
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std \
+    libdir=%{_libdir} \
+    usrlibdir=%{_libdir} \
+    exec_prefix=%{_prefix}
+
+# clean static library
+rm %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/libbsd.a
+
+# Move nlist.h into bsd directory to avoid conflict with elfutils-libelf.
+mv %{buildroot}%{_includedir}/nlist.h %{buildroot}%{_includedir}/bsd/
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.3.0-2
+- set build flasg
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.3.0-1
+- first package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..87aaff516
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120414/53cc8757/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,107 @@
+%define api 3
+%define major 0
+%define libname %mklibname %{name}%{api}_ %{major}
+%define libnamedev %mklibname %{name}%{api} -d
+
+
+Name:		bamf
+Summary:	Application matching framework
+Group:		System/Libraries
+Version:	0.2.114
+Release:	%mkrel 2
+License:	GPLv3
+URL:		https://launchpad.net/bamf
+Source0:	https://launchpad.net/bamf/0.2/%{version}/+download/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+BuildRequires:	gtk-doc
+BuildRequires:	vala-tools
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbus-1)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(dbus-glib-1)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(glib-2.0)
+BuildRequires:  pkgconfig(gobject-introspection-1.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(gtk+-3.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libwnck-1.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libwnck-3.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libgtop-2.0)
+
+%description
+BAMF removes the headache of applications matching into a simple DBus
+daemon and C wrapper library. Currently features application matching
+at amazing levels of accuracy (covering nearly every corner case). This
+package contains the bamf library built against GTK+ 2.
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package daemon
+Summary:	Application matching framework
+Group:		System/Libraries
+License:	GPLv3
+
+%description daemon
+BAMF removes the headache of applications matching into a simple DBus
+daemon and C wrapper library. Currently features application matching
+at amazing levels of accuracy (covering nearly every corner case). This
+package contains the bamf daemon and supporting data.
+
+%files daemon
+%doc COPYING
+%{_libdir}/bamfdaemon/
+%{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libname}
+Summary:	Application matching framework (GTK+ 3)
+Group:		System/Libraries
+
+%description -n	%{libname}
+BAMF removes the headache of applications matching into a simple DBus
+daemon and C wrapper library. Currently features application matching
+at amazing levels of accuracy (covering nearly every corner case). This
+package contains the bamf library built against GTK+ 3.
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%{_libdir}/libbamf3.so.%{major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%package -n %{libnamedev}
+Summary:	Development files for %{name} (GTK+ 3)
+Group:		Development/GNOME and GTK+
+License:	GPLv3
+Requires:	%{libname} = %{version}
+
+%description -n	%{libnamedev}
+The %{name}3-devel package contains libraries and header files for
+developing applications that use %{name} (GTK+ 3).
+
+%files -n %{libnamedev}
+%doc COPYING.LGPL COPYING
+%{_includedir}/libbamf3/
+%{_libdir}/libbamf3.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/libbamf3.pc
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/libbamf/
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q
+sed -i 's/CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -Wall -Werror -lm"/CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -Wall -lm"/' configure
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+    --disable-static \
+    --enable-introspection=yes
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# Clean .la files
+find %{buildroot}%{_libdir} -name '*.la' -delete -print
+
+
+%changelog
+* Sat Apr 14 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.2.114-2
+- fix source link
+- fix requires
+- gtk-doc is needed
+
+* Sun Mar 18 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmail.com> 0.2.114-1
+- first package
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120415/27c88f08/attachment-0001.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120415/27c88f08/attachment-0001.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..3ff64ad5e
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120415/27c88f08/attachment-0001.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,128 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120413
+
+# Use Nvidia proprietary driver by default
+%bcond_without nvidia
+
+
+Name:           bumblebee
+Summary:        Bumblebee - support for NVidia Optimus laptops on Linux!
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        3.0
+Release:        %mkrel 4
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee.git
+# we need to change to develop branch to allow changing to nouveau without
+# using nvidia paths
+Source0:	https://github.com/downloads/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/%{name}-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:%{gitdate}}.tar.%{!?git:xz}%{?git:gz}
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(glib-2.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libbsd)
+BuildRequires:	help2man
+Requires(pre):	update-alternatives
+Requires(post):	systemd-units
+Requires(preun):systemd-units
+Requires:	virtualgl
+%if %{with nvidia}
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nvidia-current
+%else
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nouveau
+%endif
+Requires:	kmod(bbswitch)
+Requires:	kmod(acpi_call)
+
+%description
+Bumblebee daemon is a rewrite of the original Bumblebee service, providing
+an elegant and stable means of managing Optimus hybrid graphics chipsets.
+A primary goal of this project is to not only enable use of the discrete
+GPU for rendering, but also to enable smart power managementof the dGPU
+when it's not in use.
+
+%files
+%doc README.markdown doc/RELEASE_NOTES_3_0
+%{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/bumblebee
+%dir %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia
+/lib/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+%{_sbindir}/bumblebeed
+%{_bindir}/optirun
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee-bugreport
+%{_mandir}/man1/bumblebeed.1.*
+%{_mandir}/man1/optirun.1.*
+
+%pre
+%_pre_groupadd %{name}
+if [ "$1" -eq "1" ];then
+%if %{with nvidia}
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
+%else
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/ld.so.conf.d/GL/standard.conf
+%endif
+fi
+
+%post
+%_post_service bumblebeed
+# Simple: still needs this since in release 3 services were not set
+# enabled and seams that still isnt properly handeled in %%_post_service
+if [ $1 -eq 2 ]; then
+  # Enable (but don't start) the unit by default
+  /bin/systemctl enable bumblebeed.service
+fi
+
+%preun
+%_preun_service bumblebeed
+
+%postun
+%_postun_groupdel %{name}
+
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n %{name}}
+# Fix screen for Nvidia
+sed -i 's#DFP#CRT-0#g' conf/xorg.conf.nvidia
+
+%build
+%{?git:NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi}
+%configure2_5x \
+%if %{with nvidia}
+CONF_DRIVER=nvidia \
+CONF_DRIVER_MODULE_NVIDIA=nvidia-current \
+%endif
+%ifarch x86_64
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current:%{_libdir}/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_libdir}/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/modules,%{_libdir}/xorg/modules,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/extra-modules,%{_libdir}/xorg/extra-modules
+%else
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/modules,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/extra-modules
+%endif
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+install -m644 -D scripts/systemd/bumblebeed.service %{buildroot}/lib/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+
+
+%changelog
+* Fri Apr 13 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-4
+- seams that systemd macros work properly so lets use them
+- add requires for scriplets
+- fix source link
+
+* Fri Apr 13 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-3
+- move to develop branch (more bug fixes)
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-2
+- set to build with nvidia proprietary driver by default
+- clean scriptlets since systemd service is handled by default
+- clean SysVinit service since systemd is used by default
+- main systemd default main dir is not in /etc
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-1
+- 3.0 (from git), initial package
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120415/27c88f08/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120415/27c88f08/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..3ff64ad5e
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120415/27c88f08/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,128 @@
+%define git 1
+%define gitdate 20120413
+
+# Use Nvidia proprietary driver by default
+%bcond_without nvidia
+
+
+Name:           bumblebee
+Summary:        Bumblebee - support for NVidia Optimus laptops on Linux!
+Group:          System/Kernel and hardware
+Version:        3.0
+Release:        %mkrel 4
+License:        GPLv3
+URL:            https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee
+# source from git repo git://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee.git
+# we need to change to develop branch to allow changing to nouveau without
+# using nvidia paths
+Source0:	https://github.com/downloads/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/%{name}-%{!?git:%{version}}%{?git:%{gitdate}}.tar.%{!?git:xz}%{?git:gz}
+BuildRequires:	X11-devel
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(glib-2.0)
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libbsd)
+BuildRequires:	help2man
+Requires(pre):	update-alternatives
+Requires(post):	systemd-units
+Requires(preun):systemd-units
+Requires:	virtualgl
+%if %{with nvidia}
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nvidia-current
+%else
+Requires:	x11-driver-video-nouveau
+%endif
+Requires:	kmod(bbswitch)
+Requires:	kmod(acpi_call)
+
+%description
+Bumblebee daemon is a rewrite of the original Bumblebee service, providing
+an elegant and stable means of managing Optimus hybrid graphics chipsets.
+A primary goal of this project is to not only enable use of the discrete
+GPU for rendering, but also to enable smart power managementof the dGPU
+when it's not in use.
+
+%files
+%doc README.markdown doc/RELEASE_NOTES_3_0
+%{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/bumblebee
+%dir %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau
+%config(noreplace) %{_sysconfdir}/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia
+/lib/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+%{_sbindir}/bumblebeed
+%{_bindir}/optirun
+%{_bindir}/bumblebee-bugreport
+%{_mandir}/man1/bumblebeed.1.*
+%{_mandir}/man1/optirun.1.*
+
+%pre
+%_pre_groupadd %{name}
+if [ "$1" -eq "1" ];then
+%if %{with nvidia}
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
+%else
+  /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --set gl_conf %{_sysconfdir}/ld.so.conf.d/GL/standard.conf
+%endif
+fi
+
+%post
+%_post_service bumblebeed
+# Simple: still needs this since in release 3 services were not set
+# enabled and seams that still isnt properly handeled in %%_post_service
+if [ $1 -eq 2 ]; then
+  # Enable (but don't start) the unit by default
+  /bin/systemctl enable bumblebeed.service
+fi
+
+%preun
+%_preun_service bumblebeed
+
+%postun
+%_postun_groupdel %{name}
+
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+%prep
+%setup -q%{?git:n %{name}}
+# Fix screen for Nvidia
+sed -i 's#DFP#CRT-0#g' conf/xorg.conf.nvidia
+
+%build
+%{?git:NOCONFIGURE=1 autoreconf -fi}
+%configure2_5x \
+%if %{with nvidia}
+CONF_DRIVER=nvidia \
+CONF_DRIVER_MODULE_NVIDIA=nvidia-current \
+%endif
+%ifarch x86_64
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current:%{_libdir}/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_libdir}/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/modules,%{_libdir}/xorg/modules,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/extra-modules,%{_libdir}/xorg/extra-modules
+%else
+CONF_LDPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current \
+CONF_MODPATH_NVIDIA=%{_prefix}/lib/nvidia-current/xorg,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/modules,%{_prefix}/lib/xorg/extra-modules
+%endif
+
+%make
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+install -m644 -D scripts/systemd/bumblebeed.service %{buildroot}/lib/systemd/system/bumblebeed.service
+
+
+%changelog
+* Fri Apr 13 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-4
+- seams that systemd macros work properly so lets use them
+- add requires for scriplets
+- fix source link
+
+* Fri Apr 13 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-3
+- move to develop branch (more bug fixes)
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-2
+- set to build with nvidia proprietary driver by default
+- clean scriptlets since systemd service is handled by default
+- clean SysVinit service since systemd is used by default
+- main systemd default main dir is not in /etc
+
+* Mon Mar 19 2012 Simple <simplew8@gmailcom> 3.0-1
+- 3.0 (from git), initial package
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Please submit expedite, it updates the argument of expedite, x11 is replaced by xlib.</span></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><font size="3"><span style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">doktor5000, are you agree with this change ?</span></font><br></font></div><br>regards,<br>trem<br><br> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Please submit expedite, it updates the argument of expedite, x11 is replaced by xlib.</span></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><font size="3"><span style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">doktor5000, are you agree with this change ?</span></font><br></font></div><br>regards,<br>trem<br><br> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 18 Απ�ιλίου 2012 4:29 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης simple w8 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:simplew8@gmail.com">simplew8@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/4/18 Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Am 18.04.2012 16:09, schrieb simple w8:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I started to see that the emails i send to the devel mailing list i<br>
+&gt;&gt; dont receive them back in my mail account.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I only receive them back in my account only if the email i send is<br>
+&gt;&gt; replyed.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; This is not any problem on my part, since settings are default and i<br>
+&gt;&gt; have reviewed them and i also have no filders in my mail account, so<br>
+&gt;&gt; this seams to be a bug in the devel mailing list.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No, this is gmail magick at work...<br>
+&gt; gmail does some sort of magic filtering there, that can&#39;t be influenced.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Yeap, google is great...<br></blockquote><div> </div></div><br>Excuse me &quot;simple w8&quot;, may be i missed a previous message, what is your real name ? If it is a personal question excuse me for asking. :)<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 18 Απ�ιλίου 2012 4:29 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης simple w8 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:simplew8@gmail.com">simplew8@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/4/18 Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Am 18.04.2012 16:09, schrieb simple w8:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I started to see that the emails i send to the devel mailing list i<br>
+&gt;&gt; dont receive them back in my mail account.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I only receive them back in my account only if the email i send is<br>
+&gt;&gt; replyed.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; This is not any problem on my part, since settings are default and i<br>
+&gt;&gt; have reviewed them and i also have no filders in my mail account, so<br>
+&gt;&gt; this seams to be a bug in the devel mailing list.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No, this is gmail magick at work...<br>
+&gt; gmail does some sort of magic filtering there, that can&#39;t be influenced.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Yeap, google is great...<br></blockquote><div> </div></div><br>Excuse me &quot;simple w8&quot;, may be i missed a previous message, what is your real name ? If it is a personal question excuse me for asking. :)<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+********************************************************************************
+Note that your system uses syslog. All of kdm's internally generated messages
+(i.e., not from libraries and external programs/scripts it uses) go to the
+daemon.* syslog facility; check your syslog configuration to find out to which
+file(s) it is logged. PAM logs messages related to authentication to authpriv.*.
+********************************************************************************
+
+
+X.Org X Server 1.11.4
+Release Date: 2012-01-27
+X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.38.8-server-10.mga Mageia
+Current Operating System: Linux localhost 3.3.1-netbook-2.mga2 #1 SMP Wed Apr 4 10:29:37 UTC 2012 i686
+Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=4ff2d08b-fd50-4296-b967-64292c11b6ca resume=UUID=141a82fa-829a-48ab-8de6-64d6c26f20b1 splash=silent vga=788
+Build Date: 02 March 2012  06:41:02PM
+ 
+Current version of pixman: 0.24.4
+	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Apr 18 13:34:40 2012
+(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40800) with this library (version 0x40801)
+KCrash: Application 'kdmgreet' crashing...
+KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi directly
+Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40800) with this library (version 0x40801)
+Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
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+********************************************************************************
+Note that your system uses syslog. All of kdm's internally generated messages
+(i.e., not from libraries and external programs/scripts it uses) go to the
+daemon.* syslog facility; check your syslog configuration to find out to which
+file(s) it is logged. PAM logs messages related to authentication to authpriv.*.
+********************************************************************************
+
+
+X.Org X Server 1.11.4
+Release Date: 2012-01-27
+X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.38.8-server-10.mga Mageia
+Current Operating System: Linux localhost 3.3.1-netbook-2.mga2 #1 SMP Wed Apr 4 10:29:37 UTC 2012 i686
+Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=4ff2d08b-fd50-4296-b967-64292c11b6ca resume=UUID=141a82fa-829a-48ab-8de6-64d6c26f20b1 splash=silent vga=788
+Build Date: 02 March 2012  06:41:02PM
+ 
+Current version of pixman: 0.24.4
+	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Apr 18 13:34:40 2012
+(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40800) with this library (version 0x40801)
+KCrash: Application 'kdmgreet' crashing...
+KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi directly
+Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40800) with this library (version 0x40801)
+Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
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+[    46.670] 
+X.Org X Server 1.11.4
+Release Date: 2012-01-27
+[    46.919] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[    47.030] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.38.8-server-10.mga Mageia
+[    47.107] Current Operating System: Linux localhost 3.3.1-netbook-2.mga2 #1 SMP Wed Apr 4 10:29:37 UTC 2012 i686
+[    47.255] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=4ff2d08b-fd50-4296-b967-64292c11b6ca resume=UUID=141a82fa-829a-48ab-8de6-64d6c26f20b1 splash=silent vga=788
+[    47.541] Build Date: 02 March 2012  06:41:02PM
+[    47.607]  
+[    47.685] Current version of pixman: 0.24.4
+[    47.830] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[    47.952] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+[    49.141] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Apr 17 14:47:55 2012
+[    49.230] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+[    49.461] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[    49.564] (==) ServerLayout "layout1"
+[    49.607] (**) |-->Screen "screen1" (0)
+[    49.685] (**) |   |-->Monitor "monitor1"
+[    49.724] (**) |   |-->Device "device1"
+[    49.785] (**) |-->Input Device "Stylus1"
+[    49.875] (**) |-->Input Device "Eraser1"
+[    49.896] (**) |-->Input Device "Cursor1"
+[    49.918] (**) |-->Input Device "Pad1"
+[    49.940] (**) |-->Input Device "Stylus2"
+[    49.963] (**) |-->Input Device "Eraser2"
+[    50.018] (**) |-->Input Device "Cursor2"
+[    50.085] (**) |-->Input Device "Pad2"
+[    50.141] (**) Option "DontZap" "False"
+[    50.230] (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
+[    50.285] (==) Automatically adding devices
+[    50.341] (==) Automatically enabling devices
+[    50.408] (==) FontPath set to:
+	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
+[    50.474] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
+[    50.530] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[    50.578] (II) Loader magic: 0x822a5a0
+[    50.653] (II) Module ABI versions:
+[    50.707] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
+[    50.811] 	X.Org Video Driver: 11.0
+[    50.874] 	X.Org XInput driver : 13.0
+[    50.911] 	X.Org Server Extension : 6.0
+[    50.966] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:a011:1025:0349 rev 2, Mem @ 0x98180000/524288, 0x80000000/268435456, 0x98000000/1048576, I/O @ 0x000060c0/8
+[    51.285] (--) PCI: (0:0:2:1) 8086:a012:1025:0349 rev 2, Mem @ 0x98100000/524288
+[    51.352] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
+[    51.389] (II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.441] (II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.500] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.540] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.563] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.585] (II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.607] (II) LoadModule: "v4l"
+[    51.662] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
+[    51.685] (II) Module v4l: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    51.707] 	compiled for 1.11.2, module version = 0.1.1
+[    51.740] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 11.0
+[    51.763] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
+[    51.797] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
+[    51.819] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    51.840] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    51.874] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    51.896] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    51.918] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
+[    51.940] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
+[    51.963] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
+[    51.985] (II) Loading extension DPMS
+[    52.007] (II) Loading extension XVideo
+[    52.051] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
+[    52.074] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
+[    52.118] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
+[    52.175] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
+[    52.196] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.255] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    52.296] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    52.318] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    52.340] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
+[    52.362] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
+[    52.397] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+[    52.418] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.440] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    52.474] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    52.496] (==) AIGLX enabled
+[    52.518] (II) Loading extension GLX
+[    52.540] (II) LoadModule: "record"
+[    52.575] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
+[    52.596] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.618] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.13.0
+[    52.651] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    52.674] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    52.696] (II) Loading extension RECORD
+[    52.718] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
+[    52.752] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[    52.774] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.796] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    52.829] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    52.851] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[    52.874] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    52.908] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    52.945] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.996] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.2.0
+[    53.096] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    53.152] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[    53.196] (II) LoadModule: "intel"
+[    53.231] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel-common/intel_drv.so
+[    53.252] (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    53.274] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 2.18.0
+[    53.307] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[    53.329] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 11.0
+[    53.351] (II) LoadModule: "wacom"
+[    53.390] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    53.407] (II) Module wacom: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    53.429] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 0.13.0
+[    53.462] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    53.485] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 13.0
+[    53.507] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[    53.529] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
+	i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
+	E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G,
+	965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45,
+	4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, B43, Clarkdale, Arrandale,
+	Sandybridge Desktop (GT1), Sandybridge Desktop (GT2),
+	Sandybridge Desktop (GT2+), Sandybridge Mobile (GT1),
+	Sandybridge Mobile (GT2), Sandybridge Mobile (GT2+),
+	Sandybridge Server, Ivybridge Mobile (GT1), Ivybridge Mobile (GT2),
+	Ivybridge Desktop (GT1), Ivybridge Desktop (GT2), Ivybridge Server
+[    56.185] (++) using VT number 1
+
+[    56.207] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[    56.236] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel-common/intel_drv.so
+[    56.252] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    56.380] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)
+[    56.493] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:00:02.0
+[    56.585] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    56.652] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)
+[    56.707] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 9
+[    56.763] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:00:02.0
+[    56.804] (II) intel(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
+	"screen1" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
+[    56.863] (==) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
+[    57.094] (==) intel(0): RGB weight 888
+[    57.174] (==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor
+[    57.196] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Pineview GM
+[    57.218] (--) intel(0): Chipset: "Pineview GM"
+[    57.240] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing enabled
+[    57.262] (**) intel(0): Wait on SwapBuffers? enabled
+[    57.285] (**) intel(0): Triple buffering? enabled
+[    57.384] (**) intel(0): Framebuffer tiled
+[    57.438] (**) intel(0): Pixmaps tiled
+[    57.461] (**) intel(0): 3D buffers tiled
+[    57.483] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait enabled
+[    57.505] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe
+[    57.528] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 using monitor section monitor1
+[    57.650] (II) intel(0): found backlight control interface /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0
+[    57.690] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 has no monitor section
+[    57.705] (II) intel(0): EDID for output LVDS1
+[    57.727] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer: AUO  Model: 20d5  Serial#: 0
+[    57.750] (II) intel(0): Year: 2009  Week: 1
+[    57.772] (II) intel(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    57.794] (II) intel(0): Digital Display Input
+[    57.816] (II) intel(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 22  vert.: 13
+[    57.861] (II) intel(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    57.883] (II) intel(0): No DPMS capabilities specified
+[    57.916] (II) intel(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    57.939] (II) intel(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    57.961] (II) intel(0): redX: 0.579 redY: 0.348   greenX: 0.336 greenY: 0.554
+[    57.994] (II) intel(0): blueX: 0.156 blueY: 0.135   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    58.027] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    58.050] (II) intel(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    58.072] (II) intel(0): clock: 63.0 MHz   Image Size:  222 x 125 mm
+[    58.105] (II) intel(0): h_active: 1280  h_sync: 1328  h_sync_end 1360 h_blank_end 1410 h_border: 0
+[    58.138] (II) intel(0): v_active: 720  v_sync: 723  v_sync_end 729 v_blanking: 740 v_border: 0
+[    58.172] (II) intel(0): Unknown vendor-specific block f
+[    58.194] (II) intel(0):  AUO
+[    58.216] (II) intel(0):  B101EW02 V0
+[    58.239] (II) intel(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    58.261] (II) intel(0): 	00ffffffffffff0006afd52000000000
+[    58.283] (II) intel(0): 	0113010380160d780a43259459568d28
+[    58.305] (II) intel(0): 	22505400000001010101010101010101
+[    58.327] (II) intel(0): 	0101010101019c18008250d014203020
+[    58.350] (II) intel(0): 	3600de7d000000180000000f00000000
+[    58.372] (II) intel(0): 	00000000000000000020000000fe0041
+[    58.394] (II) intel(0): 	554f0a202020202020202020000000fe
+[    58.416] (II) intel(0): 	004231303145573032205630200a008a
+[    58.438] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor "AUO", prod id 8405
+[    58.461] (II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[    58.483] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x720"x0.0   63.00  1280 1328 1360 1410  720 723 729 740 -hsync -vsync (44.7 kHz)
+[    58.505] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.527] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.550] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.572] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.594] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.616] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.639] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.661] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.683] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.705] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.727] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.750] (II) intel(0): Printing probed modes for output LVDS1
+[    58.772] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x720"x60.4   63.00  1280 1328 1360 1410  720 723 729 740 -hsync -vsync (44.7 kHz)
+[    58.794] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
+[    58.816] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2   36.00  800 824 896 1024  600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz)
+[    58.839] (II) intel(0): Modeline "768x576"x100.0   63.07  768 800 960 1024  576 578 590 616 (61.6 kHz)
+[    58.896] (II) intel(0): Modeline "768x576"x79.4   50.00  768 832 846 1000  576 590 595 630 (50.0 kHz)
+[    58.927] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
+[    58.973] (II) intel(0): EDID for output VGA1
+[    58.994] (II) intel(0): Printing probed modes for output VGA1
+[    59.016] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)
+[    59.038] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
+[    59.060] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2   36.00  800 824 896 1024  600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz)
+[    59.082] (II) intel(0): Modeline "848x480"x60.0   33.75  848 864 976 1088  480 486 494 517 +hsync +vsync (31.0 kHz)
+[    59.104] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 489 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
+[    59.127] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 connected
+[    59.149] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 connected
+[    59.171] (II) intel(0): Using fuzzy aspect match for initial modes
+[    59.194] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 using initial mode 800x600
+[    59.216] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 using initial mode 800x600
+[    59.238] (II) intel(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated.
+[    59.260] (II) intel(0): Kernel page flipping support detected, enabling
+[    59.283] (**) intel(0): Display dimensions: (220, 130) mm
+[    59.304] (**) intel(0): DPI set to (92, 117)
+[    59.327] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
+[    59.349] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
+[    59.384] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
+[    59.405] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    59.427] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    59.460] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[    59.483] (II) Loading sub module "dri2"
+[    59.505] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    59.539] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    59.560] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    59.583] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.2.0
+[    59.616] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    59.638] (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
+[    59.660] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
+[    59.683] (II) intel(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: i915
+[    59.704] (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 832x600 stride 4096, tiled
+[    59.727] (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
+[    59.749] (II)         solid
+[    59.771] (II)         copy
+[    59.794] (II)         composite (RENDER acceleration)
+[    59.816] (II)         put_image
+[    59.838] (II)         get_image
+[    59.860] (==) intel(0): Backing store disabled
+[    59.883] (==) intel(0): Silken mouse enabled
+[    59.905] (II) intel(0): Initializing HW Cursor
+[    60.737] (II) intel(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
+[    60.785] (**) intel(0): DPMS enabled
+[    60.805] (==) intel(0): Intel XvMC decoder disabled
+[    60.866] (II) intel(0): Set up textured video
+[    60.883] (II) intel(0): Set up overlay video
+[    60.905] (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled
+[    60.927] (WW) intel(0): Option "MonitorLayout" is not used
+[    60.949] (==) intel(0): hotplug detection: "enabled"
+[    60.972] (--) RandR disabled
+[    60.994] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
+[    61.016] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
+[    61.038] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
+[    61.060] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
+[    61.083] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
+[    61.104] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
+[    61.127] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
+[    61.149] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
+[    61.171] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
+[    61.193] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
+[    61.215] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
+[    61.238] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
+[    61.260] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
+[    61.330] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
+[    61.353] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
+[    61.376] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
+[    61.398] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
+[    61.460] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer
+[    61.476] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event
+[    61.498] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control and GLX_MESA_swap_control
+[    61.520] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects
+[    61.542] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized i915
+[    61.564] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0
+[    61.589] (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 211 x 158
+[    61.775] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-8AA988DD479FAABEC4FC3CCCF4CC29B4948840B4.xkm
+[    62.102] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Stylus1'
+[    62.131] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    62.153] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    62.187] (**) Stylus1: always reports core events
+[    62.209] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    62.253] (**) Option "Type" "stylus"
+[    62.298] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    62.342] (EE) Stylus1: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    62.387] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Stylus1"
+[    62.431] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    62.453] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    62.476] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Eraser1'
+[    62.498] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    62.520] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    62.553] (**) Eraser1: always reports core events
+[    62.576] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    62.620] (**) Option "Type" "eraser"
+[    62.664] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    62.709] (EE) Eraser1: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    62.753] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Eraser1"
+[    62.798] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    62.820] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    62.842] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Cursor1'
+[    62.864] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    62.887] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    62.920] (**) Cursor1: always reports core events
+[    62.942] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    62.987] (**) Option "Type" "cursor"
+[    63.031] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    63.075] (EE) Cursor1: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    63.120] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Cursor1"
+[    63.164] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    63.187] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    63.209] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Pad1'
+[    63.231] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    63.253] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    63.287] (**) Pad1: always reports core events
+[    63.309] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    63.353] (**) Option "Type" "pad"
+[    63.398] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    63.442] (EE) Pad1: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    63.487] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Pad1"
+[    63.531] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    63.553] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    63.576] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Stylus2'
+[    63.598] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    63.620] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    63.653] (**) Stylus2: always reports core events
+[    63.676] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    63.720] (**) Option "Type" "stylus"
+[    63.764] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    63.809] (EE) Stylus2: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    63.889] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Stylus2"
+[    63.931] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    63.953] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    63.975] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Eraser2'
+[    63.997] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    64.031] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    64.075] (**) Eraser2: always reports core events
+[    64.097] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    64.164] (**) Option "Type" "eraser"
+[    64.253] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    64.309] (EE) Eraser2: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    64.353] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Eraser2"
+[    64.397] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    64.420] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    64.442] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Cursor2'
+[    64.464] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    64.509] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    64.564] (**) Cursor2: always reports core events
+[    64.586] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    64.642] (**) Option "Type" "cursor"
+[    64.697] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    64.753] (EE) Cursor2: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    64.797] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Cursor2"
+[    64.842] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    64.864] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    64.886] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Pad2'
+[    64.908] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    64.930] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    64.964] (**) Pad2: always reports core events
+[    64.986] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    65.030] (**) Option "Type" "pad"
+[    65.075] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    65.120] (EE) Pad2: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    65.164] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Pad2"
+[    65.208] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    65.231] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    65.260] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event5)
+[    65.275] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    65.297] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
+[    65.333] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    65.353] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    65.375] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 2.7.0
+[    65.408] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    65.431] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 13.0
+[    65.453] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    65.475] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    65.497] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    65.520] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event5"
+[    65.542] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[    65.564] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[    65.586] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    65.609] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input5/event5"
+[    65.653] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6)
+[    65.675] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    65.720] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    65.764] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    65.808] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    65.865] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-C50D5545095887CD21A9F7AA6CC13A99D7C5D171.xkm
+[    66.239] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event6)
+[    66.264] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    66.286] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Video Bus'
+[    66.308] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    66.331] (**) Video Bus: always reports core events
+[    66.353] (**) evdev: Video Bus: Device: "/dev/input/event6"
+[    66.375] (--) evdev: Video Bus: Vendor 0 Product 0x6
+[    66.397] (--) evdev: Video Bus: Found keys
+[    66.420] (II) evdev: Video Bus: Configuring as keyboard
+[    66.470] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input6/event6"
+[    66.517] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7)
+[    66.539] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    66.583] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    66.627] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    66.672] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    66.719] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event2)
+[    66.739] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    66.761] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    66.783] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    66.805] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    66.827] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
+[    66.850] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[    66.872] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[    66.894] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    66.916] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input2/event2"
+[    66.961] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 8)
+[    66.983] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    67.028] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    67.072] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    67.116] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    67.163] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Lid Switch (/dev/input/event4)
+[    67.183] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    67.205] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    67.228] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Sleep Button (/dev/input/event3)
+[    67.250] (**) Sleep Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    67.272] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Sleep Button'
+[    67.294] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    67.317] (**) Sleep Button: always reports core events
+[    67.339] (**) evdev: Sleep Button: Device: "/dev/input/event3"
+[    67.361] (--) evdev: Sleep Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x3
+[    67.394] (--) evdev: Sleep Button: Found keys
+[    67.417] (II) evdev: Sleep Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    67.450] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0E:00/input/input3/event3"
+[    67.505] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Sleep Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 9)
+[    67.528] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    67.583] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    67.628] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    67.672] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    67.719] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Mic (/dev/input/event10)
+[    67.739] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    67.761] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    67.784] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Headphone (/dev/input/event11)
+[    67.805] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    67.828] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    67.851] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse (/dev/input/event7)
+[    67.872] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer catchall"
+[    67.894] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse'
+[    67.916] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    67.939] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: always reports core events
+[    67.961] (**) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Device: "/dev/input/event7"
+[    67.983] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Vendor 0x46d Product 0xc03d
+[    68.005] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Found 3 mouse buttons
+[    68.028] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Found scroll wheel(s)
+[    68.050] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Found relative axes
+[    68.072] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Found x and y relative axes
+[    68.094] (II) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Configuring as mouse
+[    68.148] (II) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Adding scrollwheel support
+[    68.176] (**) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
+[    68.198] (**) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
+[    68.220] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb5/5-3/5-3.3/5-3.3:1.0/input/input7/event7"
+[    68.264] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 10)
+[    68.287] (II) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: initialized for relative axes.
+[    68.309] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    68.331] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0
+[    68.353] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    68.376] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    68.399] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse (/dev/input/mouse1)
+[    68.420] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    68.442] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    68.466] (II) config/udev: Adding input device 1.3M WebCam (/dev/input/event9)
+[    68.487] (**) 1.3M WebCam: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    68.509] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for '1.3M WebCam'
+[    68.531] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    68.553] (**) 1.3M WebCam: always reports core events
+[    68.576] (**) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Device: "/dev/input/event9"
+[    68.598] (--) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Vendor 0x402 Product 0x9665
+[    68.620] (--) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Found keys
+[    68.642] (II) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Configuring as keyboard
+[    68.664] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb5/5-4/5-4:1.0/input/input9/event9"
+[    68.709] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "1.3M WebCam" (type: KEYBOARD, id 11)
+[    68.731] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    68.776] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    68.820] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    68.864] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    68.911] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
+[    68.931] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    68.953] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'
+[    68.976] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    68.998] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
+[    69.020] (**) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
+[    69.042] (--) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Vendor 0x1 Product 0x1
+[    69.064] (--) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Found keys
+[    69.087] (II) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
+[    69.109] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0/event0"
+[    69.153] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD, id 12)
+[    69.176] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    69.220] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    69.264] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    69.309] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    69.356] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/event1)
+[    69.376] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad catchall"
+[    69.398] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
+[    69.420] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
+[    69.456] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    69.476] (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    69.498] 	compiled for 1.11.2, module version = 1.5.0
+[    69.531] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    69.553] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 13.0
+[    69.576] (II) Using input driver 'synaptics' for 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
+[    69.598] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    69.648] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    69.672] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"
+[    69.769] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: x-axis range 1472 - 5612
+[    69.783] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: y-axis range 1408 - 4618
+[    69.805] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: pressure range 0 - 255
+[    69.828] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: finger width range 0 - 0
+[    69.850] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right double triple
+[    69.872] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Vendor 0x2 Product 0x7
+[    69.907] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    69.928] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    69.967] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input1/event1"
+[    70.005] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD, id 13)
+[    70.028] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) MinSpeed is now constant deceleration 2.5
+[    70.050] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: MaxSpeed is now 1.75
+[    70.072] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: AccelFactor is now 0.038
+[    70.095] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    70.117] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration profile 1
+[    70.139] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    70.161] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    70.183] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    70.206] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0)
+[    70.228] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Ignoring device from InputClass "touchpad ignore duplicates"
+[    70.252] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Acer WMI hotkeys (/dev/input/event8)
+[    70.272] (**) Acer WMI hotkeys: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    70.294] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Acer WMI hotkeys'
+[    70.317] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    70.339] (**) Acer WMI hotkeys: always reports core events
+[    70.361] (**) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Device: "/dev/input/event8"
+[    70.383] (--) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Vendor 0 Product 0
+[    70.405] (--) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Found keys
+[    70.428] (II) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Configuring as keyboard
+[    70.450] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/virtual/input/input8/event8"
+[    70.494] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Acer WMI hotkeys" (type: KEYBOARD, id 14)
+[    70.517] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    70.561] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    70.605] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    70.650] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    72.501] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close
+[    72.596] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    72.695] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    72.771] (II) evdev: Video Bus: Close
+[    72.794] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    72.816] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    72.861] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close
+[    72.883] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    72.905] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    72.941] (II) evdev: Sleep Button: Close
+[    72.961] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    72.983] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    73.019] (II) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Close
+[    73.038] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    73.061] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    73.093] (II) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Close
+[    73.116] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    73.138] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    73.175] (II) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Close
+[    73.194] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    73.216] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    73.262] (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics"
+[    73.283] (II) Unloading synaptics
+[    73.319] (II) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Close
+[    73.338] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    73.361] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    74.312] Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
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+[    46.670] 
+X.Org X Server 1.11.4
+Release Date: 2012-01-27
+[    46.919] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[    47.030] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.38.8-server-10.mga Mageia
+[    47.107] Current Operating System: Linux localhost 3.3.1-netbook-2.mga2 #1 SMP Wed Apr 4 10:29:37 UTC 2012 i686
+[    47.255] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=4ff2d08b-fd50-4296-b967-64292c11b6ca resume=UUID=141a82fa-829a-48ab-8de6-64d6c26f20b1 splash=silent vga=788
+[    47.541] Build Date: 02 March 2012  06:41:02PM
+[    47.607]  
+[    47.685] Current version of pixman: 0.24.4
+[    47.830] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[    47.952] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+[    49.141] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Apr 17 14:47:55 2012
+[    49.230] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+[    49.461] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[    49.564] (==) ServerLayout "layout1"
+[    49.607] (**) |-->Screen "screen1" (0)
+[    49.685] (**) |   |-->Monitor "monitor1"
+[    49.724] (**) |   |-->Device "device1"
+[    49.785] (**) |-->Input Device "Stylus1"
+[    49.875] (**) |-->Input Device "Eraser1"
+[    49.896] (**) |-->Input Device "Cursor1"
+[    49.918] (**) |-->Input Device "Pad1"
+[    49.940] (**) |-->Input Device "Stylus2"
+[    49.963] (**) |-->Input Device "Eraser2"
+[    50.018] (**) |-->Input Device "Cursor2"
+[    50.085] (**) |-->Input Device "Pad2"
+[    50.141] (**) Option "DontZap" "False"
+[    50.230] (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
+[    50.285] (==) Automatically adding devices
+[    50.341] (==) Automatically enabling devices
+[    50.408] (==) FontPath set to:
+	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
+[    50.474] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
+[    50.530] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[    50.578] (II) Loader magic: 0x822a5a0
+[    50.653] (II) Module ABI versions:
+[    50.707] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
+[    50.811] 	X.Org Video Driver: 11.0
+[    50.874] 	X.Org XInput driver : 13.0
+[    50.911] 	X.Org Server Extension : 6.0
+[    50.966] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:a011:1025:0349 rev 2, Mem @ 0x98180000/524288, 0x80000000/268435456, 0x98000000/1048576, I/O @ 0x000060c0/8
+[    51.285] (--) PCI: (0:0:2:1) 8086:a012:1025:0349 rev 2, Mem @ 0x98100000/524288
+[    51.352] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
+[    51.389] (II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.441] (II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.500] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.540] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.563] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.585] (II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.
+[    51.607] (II) LoadModule: "v4l"
+[    51.662] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
+[    51.685] (II) Module v4l: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    51.707] 	compiled for 1.11.2, module version = 0.1.1
+[    51.740] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 11.0
+[    51.763] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
+[    51.797] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
+[    51.819] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    51.840] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    51.874] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    51.896] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    51.918] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
+[    51.940] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
+[    51.963] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
+[    51.985] (II) Loading extension DPMS
+[    52.007] (II) Loading extension XVideo
+[    52.051] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
+[    52.074] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
+[    52.118] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
+[    52.175] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
+[    52.196] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.255] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    52.296] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    52.318] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    52.340] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
+[    52.362] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
+[    52.397] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
+[    52.418] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.440] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    52.474] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    52.496] (==) AIGLX enabled
+[    52.518] (II) Loading extension GLX
+[    52.540] (II) LoadModule: "record"
+[    52.575] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
+[    52.596] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.618] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.13.0
+[    52.651] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    52.674] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    52.696] (II) Loading extension RECORD
+[    52.718] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
+[    52.752] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[    52.774] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.796] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    52.829] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    52.851] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[    52.874] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    52.908] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    52.945] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    52.996] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.2.0
+[    53.096] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    53.152] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[    53.196] (II) LoadModule: "intel"
+[    53.231] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel-common/intel_drv.so
+[    53.252] (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    53.274] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 2.18.0
+[    53.307] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[    53.329] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 11.0
+[    53.351] (II) LoadModule: "wacom"
+[    53.390] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    53.407] (II) Module wacom: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    53.429] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 0.13.0
+[    53.462] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    53.485] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 13.0
+[    53.507] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[    53.529] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
+	i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
+	E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G,
+	965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45,
+	4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, B43, Clarkdale, Arrandale,
+	Sandybridge Desktop (GT1), Sandybridge Desktop (GT2),
+	Sandybridge Desktop (GT2+), Sandybridge Mobile (GT1),
+	Sandybridge Mobile (GT2), Sandybridge Mobile (GT2+),
+	Sandybridge Server, Ivybridge Mobile (GT1), Ivybridge Mobile (GT2),
+	Ivybridge Desktop (GT1), Ivybridge Desktop (GT2), Ivybridge Server
+[    56.185] (++) using VT number 1
+
+[    56.207] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[    56.236] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel-common/intel_drv.so
+[    56.252] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    56.380] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)
+[    56.493] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:00:02.0
+[    56.585] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
+[    56.652] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)
+[    56.707] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 9
+[    56.763] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:00:02.0
+[    56.804] (II) intel(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
+	"screen1" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
+[    56.863] (==) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
+[    57.094] (==) intel(0): RGB weight 888
+[    57.174] (==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor
+[    57.196] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Pineview GM
+[    57.218] (--) intel(0): Chipset: "Pineview GM"
+[    57.240] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing enabled
+[    57.262] (**) intel(0): Wait on SwapBuffers? enabled
+[    57.285] (**) intel(0): Triple buffering? enabled
+[    57.384] (**) intel(0): Framebuffer tiled
+[    57.438] (**) intel(0): Pixmaps tiled
+[    57.461] (**) intel(0): 3D buffers tiled
+[    57.483] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait enabled
+[    57.505] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe
+[    57.528] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 using monitor section monitor1
+[    57.650] (II) intel(0): found backlight control interface /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0
+[    57.690] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 has no monitor section
+[    57.705] (II) intel(0): EDID for output LVDS1
+[    57.727] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer: AUO  Model: 20d5  Serial#: 0
+[    57.750] (II) intel(0): Year: 2009  Week: 1
+[    57.772] (II) intel(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    57.794] (II) intel(0): Digital Display Input
+[    57.816] (II) intel(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 22  vert.: 13
+[    57.861] (II) intel(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    57.883] (II) intel(0): No DPMS capabilities specified
+[    57.916] (II) intel(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    57.939] (II) intel(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    57.961] (II) intel(0): redX: 0.579 redY: 0.348   greenX: 0.336 greenY: 0.554
+[    57.994] (II) intel(0): blueX: 0.156 blueY: 0.135   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    58.027] (II) intel(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    58.050] (II) intel(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    58.072] (II) intel(0): clock: 63.0 MHz   Image Size:  222 x 125 mm
+[    58.105] (II) intel(0): h_active: 1280  h_sync: 1328  h_sync_end 1360 h_blank_end 1410 h_border: 0
+[    58.138] (II) intel(0): v_active: 720  v_sync: 723  v_sync_end 729 v_blanking: 740 v_border: 0
+[    58.172] (II) intel(0): Unknown vendor-specific block f
+[    58.194] (II) intel(0):  AUO
+[    58.216] (II) intel(0):  B101EW02 V0
+[    58.239] (II) intel(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    58.261] (II) intel(0): 	00ffffffffffff0006afd52000000000
+[    58.283] (II) intel(0): 	0113010380160d780a43259459568d28
+[    58.305] (II) intel(0): 	22505400000001010101010101010101
+[    58.327] (II) intel(0): 	0101010101019c18008250d014203020
+[    58.350] (II) intel(0): 	3600de7d000000180000000f00000000
+[    58.372] (II) intel(0): 	00000000000000000020000000fe0041
+[    58.394] (II) intel(0): 	554f0a202020202020202020000000fe
+[    58.416] (II) intel(0): 	004231303145573032205630200a008a
+[    58.438] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor "AUO", prod id 8405
+[    58.461] (II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[    58.483] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x720"x0.0   63.00  1280 1328 1360 1410  720 723 729 740 -hsync -vsync (44.7 kHz)
+[    58.505] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.527] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.550] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.572] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.594] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.616] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.639] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.661] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.683] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.705] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.727] (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (doublescan mode not supported)
+[    58.750] (II) intel(0): Printing probed modes for output LVDS1
+[    58.772] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x720"x60.4   63.00  1280 1328 1360 1410  720 723 729 740 -hsync -vsync (44.7 kHz)
+[    58.794] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
+[    58.816] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2   36.00  800 824 896 1024  600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz)
+[    58.839] (II) intel(0): Modeline "768x576"x100.0   63.07  768 800 960 1024  576 578 590 616 (61.6 kHz)
+[    58.896] (II) intel(0): Modeline "768x576"x79.4   50.00  768 832 846 1000  576 590 595 630 (50.0 kHz)
+[    58.927] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
+[    58.973] (II) intel(0): EDID for output VGA1
+[    58.994] (II) intel(0): Printing probed modes for output VGA1
+[    59.016] (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)
+[    59.038] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
+[    59.060] (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2   36.00  800 824 896 1024  600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz)
+[    59.082] (II) intel(0): Modeline "848x480"x60.0   33.75  848 864 976 1088  480 486 494 517 +hsync +vsync (31.0 kHz)
+[    59.104] (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 489 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
+[    59.127] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 connected
+[    59.149] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 connected
+[    59.171] (II) intel(0): Using fuzzy aspect match for initial modes
+[    59.194] (II) intel(0): Output LVDS1 using initial mode 800x600
+[    59.216] (II) intel(0): Output VGA1 using initial mode 800x600
+[    59.238] (II) intel(0): Using default gamma of (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) unless otherwise stated.
+[    59.260] (II) intel(0): Kernel page flipping support detected, enabling
+[    59.283] (**) intel(0): Display dimensions: (220, 130) mm
+[    59.304] (**) intel(0): DPI set to (92, 117)
+[    59.327] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
+[    59.349] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
+[    59.384] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
+[    59.405] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    59.427] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.0.0
+[    59.460] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[    59.483] (II) Loading sub module "dri2"
+[    59.505] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    59.539] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    59.560] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    59.583] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 1.2.0
+[    59.616] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    59.638] (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
+[    59.660] (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
+[    59.683] (II) intel(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: i915
+[    59.704] (II) intel(0): Allocated new frame buffer 832x600 stride 4096, tiled
+[    59.727] (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
+[    59.749] (II)         solid
+[    59.771] (II)         copy
+[    59.794] (II)         composite (RENDER acceleration)
+[    59.816] (II)         put_image
+[    59.838] (II)         get_image
+[    59.860] (==) intel(0): Backing store disabled
+[    59.883] (==) intel(0): Silken mouse enabled
+[    59.905] (II) intel(0): Initializing HW Cursor
+[    60.737] (II) intel(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
+[    60.785] (**) intel(0): DPMS enabled
+[    60.805] (==) intel(0): Intel XvMC decoder disabled
+[    60.866] (II) intel(0): Set up textured video
+[    60.883] (II) intel(0): Set up overlay video
+[    60.905] (II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled
+[    60.927] (WW) intel(0): Option "MonitorLayout" is not used
+[    60.949] (==) intel(0): hotplug detection: "enabled"
+[    60.972] (--) RandR disabled
+[    60.994] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
+[    61.016] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
+[    61.038] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
+[    61.060] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
+[    61.083] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
+[    61.104] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
+[    61.127] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
+[    61.149] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
+[    61.171] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
+[    61.193] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
+[    61.215] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
+[    61.238] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
+[    61.260] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
+[    61.330] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
+[    61.353] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
+[    61.376] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
+[    61.398] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
+[    61.460] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer
+[    61.476] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_INTEL_swap_event
+[    61.498] (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_swap_control and GLX_MESA_swap_control
+[    61.520] (II) AIGLX: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap backed by buffer objects
+[    61.542] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized i915
+[    61.564] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0
+[    61.589] (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 211 x 158
+[    61.775] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-8AA988DD479FAABEC4FC3CCCF4CC29B4948840B4.xkm
+[    62.102] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Stylus1'
+[    62.131] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    62.153] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    62.187] (**) Stylus1: always reports core events
+[    62.209] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    62.253] (**) Option "Type" "stylus"
+[    62.298] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    62.342] (EE) Stylus1: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    62.387] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Stylus1"
+[    62.431] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    62.453] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    62.476] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Eraser1'
+[    62.498] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    62.520] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    62.553] (**) Eraser1: always reports core events
+[    62.576] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    62.620] (**) Option "Type" "eraser"
+[    62.664] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    62.709] (EE) Eraser1: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    62.753] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Eraser1"
+[    62.798] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    62.820] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    62.842] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Cursor1'
+[    62.864] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    62.887] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    62.920] (**) Cursor1: always reports core events
+[    62.942] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    62.987] (**) Option "Type" "cursor"
+[    63.031] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    63.075] (EE) Cursor1: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    63.120] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Cursor1"
+[    63.164] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    63.187] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    63.209] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Pad1'
+[    63.231] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    63.253] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    63.287] (**) Pad1: always reports core events
+[    63.309] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    63.353] (**) Option "Type" "pad"
+[    63.398] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    63.442] (EE) Pad1: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    63.487] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Pad1"
+[    63.531] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    63.553] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    63.576] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Stylus2'
+[    63.598] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    63.620] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    63.653] (**) Stylus2: always reports core events
+[    63.676] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    63.720] (**) Option "Type" "stylus"
+[    63.764] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    63.809] (EE) Stylus2: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    63.889] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Stylus2"
+[    63.931] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    63.953] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    63.975] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Eraser2'
+[    63.997] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    64.031] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    64.075] (**) Eraser2: always reports core events
+[    64.097] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    64.164] (**) Option "Type" "eraser"
+[    64.253] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    64.309] (EE) Eraser2: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    64.353] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Eraser2"
+[    64.397] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    64.420] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    64.442] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Cursor2'
+[    64.464] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    64.509] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    64.564] (**) Cursor2: always reports core events
+[    64.586] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    64.642] (**) Option "Type" "cursor"
+[    64.697] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    64.753] (EE) Cursor2: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    64.797] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Cursor2"
+[    64.842] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    64.864] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    64.886] (II) Using input driver 'wacom' for 'Pad2'
+[    64.908] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/wacom_drv.so
+[    64.930] (**) Option "SendCoreEvents"
+[    64.964] (**) Pad2: always reports core events
+[    64.986] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse"
+[    65.030] (**) Option "Type" "pad"
+[    65.075] (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse
+	No such file or directory.
+[    65.120] (EE) Pad2: Error opening /dev/input/by-id/usb--event-mouse (No such file or directory)
+[    65.164] (EE) PreInit returned 8 for "Pad2"
+[    65.208] (II) UnloadModule: "wacom"
+[    65.231] (II) Unloading wacom
+[    65.260] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event5)
+[    65.275] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    65.297] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
+[    65.333] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    65.353] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    65.375] 	compiled for 1.11.4, module version = 2.7.0
+[    65.408] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    65.431] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 13.0
+[    65.453] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    65.475] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    65.497] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    65.520] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event5"
+[    65.542] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[    65.564] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[    65.586] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    65.609] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input5/event5"
+[    65.653] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6)
+[    65.675] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    65.720] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    65.764] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    65.808] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    65.865] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-C50D5545095887CD21A9F7AA6CC13A99D7C5D171.xkm
+[    66.239] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Video Bus (/dev/input/event6)
+[    66.264] (**) Video Bus: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    66.286] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Video Bus'
+[    66.308] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    66.331] (**) Video Bus: always reports core events
+[    66.353] (**) evdev: Video Bus: Device: "/dev/input/event6"
+[    66.375] (--) evdev: Video Bus: Vendor 0 Product 0x6
+[    66.397] (--) evdev: Video Bus: Found keys
+[    66.420] (II) evdev: Video Bus: Configuring as keyboard
+[    66.470] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input6/event6"
+[    66.517] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7)
+[    66.539] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    66.583] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    66.627] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    66.672] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    66.719] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event2)
+[    66.739] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    66.761] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    66.783] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    66.805] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    66.827] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
+[    66.850] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[    66.872] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[    66.894] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    66.916] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input2/event2"
+[    66.961] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 8)
+[    66.983] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    67.028] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    67.072] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    67.116] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    67.163] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Lid Switch (/dev/input/event4)
+[    67.183] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    67.205] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    67.228] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Sleep Button (/dev/input/event3)
+[    67.250] (**) Sleep Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    67.272] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Sleep Button'
+[    67.294] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    67.317] (**) Sleep Button: always reports core events
+[    67.339] (**) evdev: Sleep Button: Device: "/dev/input/event3"
+[    67.361] (--) evdev: Sleep Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x3
+[    67.394] (--) evdev: Sleep Button: Found keys
+[    67.417] (II) evdev: Sleep Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    67.450] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0E:00/input/input3/event3"
+[    67.505] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Sleep Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 9)
+[    67.528] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    67.583] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    67.628] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    67.672] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    67.719] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Mic (/dev/input/event10)
+[    67.739] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    67.761] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    67.784] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel Headphone (/dev/input/event11)
+[    67.805] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    67.828] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    67.851] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse (/dev/input/event7)
+[    67.872] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer catchall"
+[    67.894] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse'
+[    67.916] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    67.939] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: always reports core events
+[    67.961] (**) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Device: "/dev/input/event7"
+[    67.983] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Vendor 0x46d Product 0xc03d
+[    68.005] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Found 3 mouse buttons
+[    68.028] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Found scroll wheel(s)
+[    68.050] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Found relative axes
+[    68.072] (--) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Found x and y relative axes
+[    68.094] (II) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Configuring as mouse
+[    68.148] (II) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Adding scrollwheel support
+[    68.176] (**) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
+[    68.198] (**) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
+[    68.220] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb5/5-3/5-3.3/5-3.3:1.0/input/input7/event7"
+[    68.264] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 10)
+[    68.287] (II) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: initialized for relative axes.
+[    68.309] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    68.331] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0
+[    68.353] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    68.376] (**) Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    68.399] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse (/dev/input/mouse1)
+[    68.420] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    68.442] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    68.466] (II) config/udev: Adding input device 1.3M WebCam (/dev/input/event9)
+[    68.487] (**) 1.3M WebCam: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    68.509] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for '1.3M WebCam'
+[    68.531] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    68.553] (**) 1.3M WebCam: always reports core events
+[    68.576] (**) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Device: "/dev/input/event9"
+[    68.598] (--) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Vendor 0x402 Product 0x9665
+[    68.620] (--) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Found keys
+[    68.642] (II) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Configuring as keyboard
+[    68.664] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb5/5-4/5-4:1.0/input/input9/event9"
+[    68.709] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "1.3M WebCam" (type: KEYBOARD, id 11)
+[    68.731] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    68.776] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    68.820] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    68.864] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    68.911] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
+[    68.931] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    68.953] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'
+[    68.976] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    68.998] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
+[    69.020] (**) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
+[    69.042] (--) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Vendor 0x1 Product 0x1
+[    69.064] (--) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Found keys
+[    69.087] (II) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
+[    69.109] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0/event0"
+[    69.153] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD, id 12)
+[    69.176] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    69.220] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    69.264] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    69.309] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    69.356] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/event1)
+[    69.376] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad catchall"
+[    69.398] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "touchpad catchall"
+[    69.420] (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
+[    69.456] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    69.476] (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    69.498] 	compiled for 1.11.2, module version = 1.5.0
+[    69.531] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    69.553] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 13.0
+[    69.576] (II) Using input driver 'synaptics' for 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
+[    69.598] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/synaptics_drv.so
+[    69.648] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    69.672] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"
+[    69.769] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: x-axis range 1472 - 5612
+[    69.783] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: y-axis range 1408 - 4618
+[    69.805] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: pressure range 0 - 255
+[    69.828] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: finger width range 0 - 0
+[    69.850] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right double triple
+[    69.872] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Vendor 0x2 Product 0x7
+[    69.907] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    69.928] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: always reports core events
+[    69.967] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input1/event1"
+[    70.005] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" (type: TOUCHPAD, id 13)
+[    70.028] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) MinSpeed is now constant deceleration 2.5
+[    70.050] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: MaxSpeed is now 1.75
+[    70.072] (**) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: AccelFactor is now 0.038
+[    70.095] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    70.117] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration profile 1
+[    70.139] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    70.161] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    70.183] (--) synaptics: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found
+[    70.206] (II) config/udev: Adding input device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad (/dev/input/mouse0)
+[    70.228] (**) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Ignoring device from InputClass "touchpad ignore duplicates"
+[    70.252] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Acer WMI hotkeys (/dev/input/event8)
+[    70.272] (**) Acer WMI hotkeys: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    70.294] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Acer WMI hotkeys'
+[    70.317] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    70.339] (**) Acer WMI hotkeys: always reports core events
+[    70.361] (**) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Device: "/dev/input/event8"
+[    70.383] (--) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Vendor 0 Product 0
+[    70.405] (--) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Found keys
+[    70.428] (II) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Configuring as keyboard
+[    70.450] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/virtual/input/input8/event8"
+[    70.494] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Acer WMI hotkeys" (type: KEYBOARD, id 14)
+[    70.517] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    70.561] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    70.605] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "gb"
+[    70.650] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    72.501] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close
+[    72.596] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    72.695] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    72.771] (II) evdev: Video Bus: Close
+[    72.794] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    72.816] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    72.861] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close
+[    72.883] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    72.905] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    72.941] (II) evdev: Sleep Button: Close
+[    72.961] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    72.983] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    73.019] (II) evdev: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse: Close
+[    73.038] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    73.061] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    73.093] (II) evdev: 1.3M WebCam: Close
+[    73.116] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    73.138] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    73.175] (II) evdev: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Close
+[    73.194] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    73.216] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    73.262] (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics"
+[    73.283] (II) Unloading synaptics
+[    73.319] (II) evdev: Acer WMI hotkeys: Close
+[    73.338] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[    73.361] (II) Unloading evdev
+[    74.312] Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
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+The actual version of this application in cauldron is  the 0.14<br>According the project&#39;s changelog, the version 0.15 fixes a problem to work with kde 4.8<br>Could you please push the latest version 0.18 ?<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1802">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1802</a><br>
+<br>Thanks<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+The actual version of this application in cauldron is  the 0.14<br>According the project&#39;s changelog, the version 0.15 fixes a problem to work with kde 4.8<br>Could you please push the latest version 0.18 ?<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1802">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1802</a><br>
+<br>Thanks<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 19 Απ�ιλίου 2012 12:06 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 5:24 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<div><div class="h5">
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 4:47 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<div><div>
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Zézinho a écrit :<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em 09-04-2012 13:09, Dimitrios Glentadakis escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The pull of translations with locales-xx would be a comfort way to switch the environment language.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Comfort against disk space. If you want to be able to switch to any language, just check the box &#39;all languages&#39; at install time.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Alternately, during the install of Mageia, select each language that you are likely to use later.<br>
+(In your case, probably at least en + el, and maybe fr.)<br>
+That way it won&#39;t take much more disk space.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div></div><br>And a urpmi --replacepkgs could retrieve the translations after have switched from mcc &gt; localization.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>
+-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div></div><br>It is the case of this bug <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460</a> <br><br>In cauldron, i reinstalled the most used packaged to retrieve the translations, and after updates the missing translations are reestablished<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br></font></span><br></blockquote></div><br clear="all">And this one <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1055">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1055</a><br><br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 19 Απ�ιλίου 2012 12:06 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 5:24 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<div><div class="h5">
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 4:47 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<div><div>
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Zézinho a écrit :<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em 09-04-2012 13:09, Dimitrios Glentadakis escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The pull of translations with locales-xx would be a comfort way to switch the environment language.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Comfort against disk space. If you want to be able to switch to any language, just check the box &#39;all languages&#39; at install time.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Alternately, during the install of Mageia, select each language that you are likely to use later.<br>
+(In your case, probably at least en + el, and maybe fr.)<br>
+That way it won&#39;t take much more disk space.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div></div><br>And a urpmi --replacepkgs could retrieve the translations after have switched from mcc &gt; localization.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>
+-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div></div><br>It is the case of this bug <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460</a> <br><br>In cauldron, i reinstalled the most used packaged to retrieve the translations, and after updates the missing translations are reestablished<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br></font></span><br></blockquote></div><br clear="all">And this one <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1055">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1055</a><br><br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 5:24 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 4:47 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<div><div class="h5">
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Zézinho a écrit :<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em 09-04-2012 13:09, Dimitrios Glentadakis escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The pull of translations with locales-xx would be a comfort way to switch the environment language.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Comfort against disk space. If you want to be able to switch to any language, just check the box &#39;all languages&#39; at install time.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Alternately, during the install of Mageia, select each language that you are likely to use later.<br>
+(In your case, probably at least en + el, and maybe fr.)<br>
+That way it won&#39;t take much more disk space.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div></div><br>And a urpmi --replacepkgs could retrieve the translations after have switched from mcc &gt; localization.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>
+-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>It is the case of this bug <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460</a> <br><br>In cauldron, i reinstalled the most used packaged to retrieve the translations, and after updates the missing translations are reestablished<br>
+<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 5:24 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 10 Απ�ιλίου 2012 4:47 μ.μ., ο χ�ήστης andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> έγ�αψε:<div><div class="h5">
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Zézinho a écrit :<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em 09-04-2012 13:09, Dimitrios Glentadakis escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The pull of translations with locales-xx would be a comfort way to switch the environment language.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Comfort against disk space. If you want to be able to switch to any language, just check the box &#39;all languages&#39; at install time.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Alternately, during the install of Mageia, select each language that you are likely to use later.<br>
+(In your case, probably at least en + el, and maybe fr.)<br>
+That way it won&#39;t take much more disk space.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div></div><br>And a urpmi --replacepkgs could retrieve the translations after have switched from mcc &gt; localization.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>
+-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>It is the case of this bug <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460</a> <br><br>In cauldron, i reinstalled the most used packaged to retrieve the translations, and after updates the missing translations are reestablished<br>
+<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+I do notice chromium-browser packages were not updated since january 21. Is it possible to include a more up to date chromium browser release?<div><br></div><div>According to <a href="http://www.chromium.org/developers/calendar">http://www.chromium.org/developers/calendar</a>, the current stable release is 18.0.1025.162 (and current beta version is 19.0.1084.30), mageia beta 3 includes 17.0.963.65 version.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>thanks!</div>
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+I do notice chromium-browser packages were not updated since january 21. Is it possible to include a more up to date chromium browser release?<div><br></div><div>According to <a href="http://www.chromium.org/developers/calendar">http://www.chromium.org/developers/calendar</a>, the current stable release is 18.0.1025.162 (and current beta version is 19.0.1084.30), mageia beta 3 includes 17.0.963.65 version.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>thanks!</div>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    On 20/04/12 19:27, Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F91AA84.9050408@gmail.com" type="cite">
+      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+        charset=ISO-8859-1">
+      Hi!<br>
+      <br>
+      Now &amp; then I tend to loose my mind &amp; install Ubuntu on one
+      of my computers &amp; the last time I did it I heard about PPA's.
+      I added a PPA &amp; noticed how fun it was to test the code that
+      it offers.<br>
+      <br>
+      This is the explanation of what PPA is &amp; does according to the
+      Ubuntu-page:<br>
+      <br>
+      <b>"Personal Package Archives (PPA) allow you to upload Ubuntu
+        source packages to be built and published as an apt repository
+        by Launchpad."</b><br>
+      <br>
+      My idea would be something similar.<br>
+      <br>
+      It starts with the user that gets annoyed how some Mageia-packages
+      that are meant to be stable that they aren't.<br>
+      Instead of having to do the job themselves they can just add a
+      special media called user-contrib that contains packages built
+      from git-source to be tested in Cauldron &amp; then released as
+      Backport-version when confirmed stable enough to see if the issue
+      they had on the officially stable package is gone.<br>
+      <br>
+      I know that it would take many people to build thoose, but I'm
+      willing to download git-code &amp; compile &amp; build for Mageia.<br>
+      <br>
+      I've already managed to compile &amp; build the latest official
+      version of Transmission without using the official Mageia patches
+      &amp; I've got NO problem at all using the package.<br>
+      <br>
+      Test theese packages &amp; say what you think:<br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+href="http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+href="http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+      <br>
+      /Kristoffer<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Hi<br>
+    <br>
+    I have thought about it before how it could be useful after Mageia 2
+    has been released for there to be PPA's or something like it for
+    Mageia.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu PPA's are really just repo's that can be added by users
+    so that they can get later versions of software that aren't in the
+    Ubuntu repo's. With PPA's it's meant to be known as well that they
+    may be buggy, because usually they have just been made by
+    developers/packagers or something like that I think, and not gone
+    through a proper Quality Assurance process. Really they are meant to
+    be aimed at more experienced users, but it seems that more recently
+    since 2008 or something like that, that quite a lot of less
+    experienced Ubuntu users may also have at least one PPA installed.
+    Also to many installed PPA's can cause issues with the Ubuntu
+    install.<br>
+    <br>
+    I have been thinking before about the current Mageia release cycle
+    and when it comes to Gnome. Since the 9 months release cycle for
+    example, it seems that sometimes a new major version of Gnome will
+    have to be skipped, as in not offered by Mageia as an update for any
+    supported stable final release at the time.&nbsp; I am not a developer,
+    but I assume those versions of Gnome can be put into Cauldron and
+    then backported to the current stable release as well, or put into
+    something like a PPA for users to install into final Mageia
+    releases. As for Cauldron it should keep on having the latest
+    versions of Gnome, usually development versions.<br>
+    <br>
+    In general most Desktop Linux users want the latest final versions
+    of the software that they use it seems, and I think that it would be
+    good if there was a easy way to offer this for most or all packages.
+    This is where something like Ubuntu's PPA's would come in.<br>
+    <br>
+    I think if Mageia has something like PPA's, they shouldn't need to
+    require QA from the QA team and it should be known users and
+    potential users that they may be buggy/unstable.&nbsp; Where as backports
+    of course will have gone through the Mageia QA team process.<br>
+    <br>
+    As for the PPA's themselves or the something like it, would need a
+    website for it like they have for Ubuntu
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a> and they should only be offered
+    on the site from people who have gone through the Mageia packaging
+    process and become trusted packagers I think.<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-ppa-technology-explained/">http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-ppa-technology-explained/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA">https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA</a><br>
+    <br>
+    From Sebastian sebsebseb<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
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+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    On 20/04/12 19:27, Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F91AA84.9050408@gmail.com" type="cite">
+      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+        charset=ISO-8859-1">
+      Hi!<br>
+      <br>
+      Now &amp; then I tend to loose my mind &amp; install Ubuntu on one
+      of my computers &amp; the last time I did it I heard about PPA's.
+      I added a PPA &amp; noticed how fun it was to test the code that
+      it offers.<br>
+      <br>
+      This is the explanation of what PPA is &amp; does according to the
+      Ubuntu-page:<br>
+      <br>
+      <b>"Personal Package Archives (PPA) allow you to upload Ubuntu
+        source packages to be built and published as an apt repository
+        by Launchpad."</b><br>
+      <br>
+      My idea would be something similar.<br>
+      <br>
+      It starts with the user that gets annoyed how some Mageia-packages
+      that are meant to be stable that they aren't.<br>
+      Instead of having to do the job themselves they can just add a
+      special media called user-contrib that contains packages built
+      from git-source to be tested in Cauldron &amp; then released as
+      Backport-version when confirmed stable enough to see if the issue
+      they had on the officially stable package is gone.<br>
+      <br>
+      I know that it would take many people to build thoose, but I'm
+      willing to download git-code &amp; compile &amp; build for Mageia.<br>
+      <br>
+      I've already managed to compile &amp; build the latest official
+      version of Transmission without using the official Mageia patches
+      &amp; I've got NO problem at all using the package.<br>
+      <br>
+      Test theese packages &amp; say what you think:<br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+href="http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+href="http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+      <br>
+      /Kristoffer<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Hi<br>
+    <br>
+    I have thought about it before how it could be useful after Mageia 2
+    has been released for there to be PPA's or something like it for
+    Mageia.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu PPA's are really just repo's that can be added by users
+    so that they can get later versions of software that aren't in the
+    Ubuntu repo's. With PPA's it's meant to be known as well that they
+    may be buggy, because usually they have just been made by
+    developers/packagers or something like that I think, and not gone
+    through a proper Quality Assurance process. Really they are meant to
+    be aimed at more experienced users, but it seems that more recently
+    since 2008 or something like that, that quite a lot of less
+    experienced Ubuntu users may also have at least one PPA installed.
+    Also to many installed PPA's can cause issues with the Ubuntu
+    install.<br>
+    <br>
+    I have been thinking before about the current Mageia release cycle
+    and when it comes to Gnome. Since the 9 months release cycle for
+    example, it seems that sometimes a new major version of Gnome will
+    have to be skipped, as in not offered by Mageia as an update for any
+    supported stable final release at the time.&nbsp; I am not a developer,
+    but I assume those versions of Gnome can be put into Cauldron and
+    then backported to the current stable release as well, or put into
+    something like a PPA for users to install into final Mageia
+    releases. As for Cauldron it should keep on having the latest
+    versions of Gnome, usually development versions.<br>
+    <br>
+    In general most Desktop Linux users want the latest final versions
+    of the software that they use it seems, and I think that it would be
+    good if there was a easy way to offer this for most or all packages.
+    This is where something like Ubuntu's PPA's would come in.<br>
+    <br>
+    I think if Mageia has something like PPA's, they shouldn't need to
+    require QA from the QA team and it should be known users and
+    potential users that they may be buggy/unstable.&nbsp; Where as backports
+    of course will have gone through the Mageia QA team process.<br>
+    <br>
+    As for the PPA's themselves or the something like it, would need a
+    website for it like they have for Ubuntu
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a> and they should only be offered
+    on the site from people who have gone through the Mageia packaging
+    process and become trusted packagers I think.<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-ppa-technology-explained/">http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-ppa-technology-explained/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA">https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA</a><br>
+    <br>
+    From Sebastian sebsebseb<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Sebastian sebsebseb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><div class="h5">As for the PPA&#39;s themselves or the something like it, would need a
+    website for it like they have for Ubuntu
+    <a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a> and they should only be offered
+    on the site from people who have gone through the Mageia packaging
+    process and become trusted packagers I think.</div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My understanding was that part of the attraction of Ubuntu&#39;s PPAs was that any registered user could create one, making it an easy way for developers to distribute their software until Ubuntu proper gets around to creating an official package.</div>
+<div><br></div></div><br clear="all">William Tracy<br><a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com" target="_blank">afishionado@gmail.com</a><br>(408) 685-4819<br><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Sebastian sebsebseb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><div class="h5">As for the PPA&#39;s themselves or the something like it, would need a
+    website for it like they have for Ubuntu
+    <a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a> and they should only be offered
+    on the site from people who have gone through the Mageia packaging
+    process and become trusted packagers I think.</div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My understanding was that part of the attraction of Ubuntu&#39;s PPAs was that any registered user could create one, making it an easy way for developers to distribute their software until Ubuntu proper gets around to creating an official package.</div>
+<div><br></div></div><br clear="all">William Tracy<br><a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com" target="_blank">afishionado@gmail.com</a><br>(408) 685-4819<br><br>
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+    On 21/04/12 00:00, William Tracy wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACSkqzxDXoG=nbq3MFbL8P1kPcq6AFWWNNec-hpt2G4Ls5xHOA@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM,
+        Sebastian sebsebseb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+            <div>
+              <div class="h5">As for the PPA's themselves or the
+                something like it, would need a website for it like they
+                have for Ubuntu <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                  href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas"
+                  target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a>
+                and they should only be offered on the site from people
+                who have gone through the Mageia packaging process and
+                become trusted packagers I think.</div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="h5"><br>
+            </div>
+          </div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>My understanding was that part of the attraction of
+          Ubuntu's PPAs was that any registered user could create one,
+          making it an easy way for developers to distribute their
+          software until Ubuntu proper gets around to creating an
+          official package.</div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Yes that's correct anyone that knows how can make a PPA for Ubuntu.
+    As for registration I think that has never been needed to make PPA's
+    for Ubuntu.<br>
+    <br>
+    Users of any PPA have to trust the person or people who made it,
+    that they aren't getting malicious software from the PPA.&nbsp; So on a
+    official Mageia PPA's or something like PPA's sub site, they could
+    be offered, but I think should only be from people who have gone
+    through the Mageia packaging process and that are trusted, as I
+    suggested in the other message.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu Some PPA's used to be sort of supported by the Ubuntu
+    Community, more recently in general PPA's with Ubuntu are supported
+    more, because the software centre can install them for example.<br>
+    <br>
+    Before PPA's if I remember correctly Wine used to have a special
+    repo for Ubuntu, but for a rather long time those that want the very
+    latest final version can install the PPA instead. Pidgin also offers
+    a PPA and has done for a rather long time for it's latest final
+    version.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu 11.04 which uses GNOME 2 with their patches as the fall
+    back mode, and Unity on top of GNOME 2 as the default, there was
+    also a PPA made for GNOME 3. I tried the PPA out in both Beta 2 and
+    the final I think, and it didn't work that well for me, and this
+    seems to have been the case for a lot of other people as well, but
+    it was known to be buggy.<br>
+    <br>
+    So put simply all a PPA tends to be is a way for users to easily
+    install later versions of software without having to use a
+    development version of the distribution that offers a later version
+    of the software that is wanted.&nbsp; Or without waiting until the next
+    version of the distribution.<br>
+    <br>
+    PPA's are repo's as a result the software in those repo's will be
+    updated usually at times, and proper updates not just security.<br>
+    <br>
+    With PPA's it's ok for them to be buggy as mentioned in my previous
+    email, because unlike backports they probably haven't gone through a
+    proper QA process.<br>
+    <br>
+    Backports from Cauldron to Mageia 2&nbsp; it seems will probably start
+    being offered soon after Mageia 2 has been released, but I don't
+    know for sure. However I do think that having something like PPA's
+    as well for Mageia would be quite a good thing indeed! As long as
+    users understand that they may be buggy, and shouldn't be relied on
+    to much if wanting loads of later software, than what the current
+    latest stable version of Mageia at the time is offering.&nbsp; Many
+    Mageia users who would like a lot of later versions of software than
+    what the repo's of a final version of Mageia has, should probably be
+    running Cauldron instead really.<br>
+    <br>
+    From Sebastian sebsebseb<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    On 21/04/12 00:00, William Tracy wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACSkqzxDXoG=nbq3MFbL8P1kPcq6AFWWNNec-hpt2G4Ls5xHOA@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM,
+        Sebastian sebsebseb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+            <div>
+              <div class="h5">As for the PPA's themselves or the
+                something like it, would need a website for it like they
+                have for Ubuntu <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                  href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas"
+                  target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a>
+                and they should only be offered on the site from people
+                who have gone through the Mageia packaging process and
+                become trusted packagers I think.</div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="h5"><br>
+            </div>
+          </div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>My understanding was that part of the attraction of
+          Ubuntu's PPAs was that any registered user could create one,
+          making it an easy way for developers to distribute their
+          software until Ubuntu proper gets around to creating an
+          official package.</div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Yes that's correct anyone that knows how can make a PPA for Ubuntu.
+    As for registration I think that has never been needed to make PPA's
+    for Ubuntu.<br>
+    <br>
+    Users of any PPA have to trust the person or people who made it,
+    that they aren't getting malicious software from the PPA.&nbsp; So on a
+    official Mageia PPA's or something like PPA's sub site, they could
+    be offered, but I think should only be from people who have gone
+    through the Mageia packaging process and that are trusted, as I
+    suggested in the other message.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu Some PPA's used to be sort of supported by the Ubuntu
+    Community, more recently in general PPA's with Ubuntu are supported
+    more, because the software centre can install them for example.<br>
+    <br>
+    Before PPA's if I remember correctly Wine used to have a special
+    repo for Ubuntu, but for a rather long time those that want the very
+    latest final version can install the PPA instead. Pidgin also offers
+    a PPA and has done for a rather long time for it's latest final
+    version.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu 11.04 which uses GNOME 2 with their patches as the fall
+    back mode, and Unity on top of GNOME 2 as the default, there was
+    also a PPA made for GNOME 3. I tried the PPA out in both Beta 2 and
+    the final I think, and it didn't work that well for me, and this
+    seems to have been the case for a lot of other people as well, but
+    it was known to be buggy.<br>
+    <br>
+    So put simply all a PPA tends to be is a way for users to easily
+    install later versions of software without having to use a
+    development version of the distribution that offers a later version
+    of the software that is wanted.&nbsp; Or without waiting until the next
+    version of the distribution.<br>
+    <br>
+    PPA's are repo's as a result the software in those repo's will be
+    updated usually at times, and proper updates not just security.<br>
+    <br>
+    With PPA's it's ok for them to be buggy as mentioned in my previous
+    email, because unlike backports they probably haven't gone through a
+    proper QA process.<br>
+    <br>
+    Backports from Cauldron to Mageia 2&nbsp; it seems will probably start
+    being offered soon after Mageia 2 has been released, but I don't
+    know for sure. However I do think that having something like PPA's
+    as well for Mageia would be quite a good thing indeed! As long as
+    users understand that they may be buggy, and shouldn't be relied on
+    to much if wanting loads of later software, than what the current
+    latest stable version of Mageia at the time is offering.&nbsp; Many
+    Mageia users who would like a lot of later versions of software than
+    what the repo's of a final version of Mageia has, should probably be
+    running Cauldron instead really.<br>
+    <br>
+    From Sebastian sebsebseb<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+diff --git a/perl-install/install/install2.pm b/perl-install/install/install2.pm
+index 44d9bf9..7034ffb 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/install2.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/install2.pm
+@@ -385,6 +385,7 @@ sub main {
+ 	    newt      => sub { $o->{interactive} = "curses" },
+ 	    text      => sub { $o->{interactive} = "curses" },
+ 	    stdio     => sub { $o->{interactive} = "stdio" },
++	    skip      => sub { $o->{skipped_packages} = $v },
+ 	    use_uuid  => sub { $::no_uuid_by_default = !$v },
+ 	    kickstart => sub { $::auto_install = $v },
+ 	    local_install => sub { $::local_install = 1 },
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/media.pm b/perl-install/install/media.pm
+index d821ab8..38ccd5e 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/media.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/media.pm
+@@ -504,7 +504,7 @@ sub configure_media {
+     my ($packages) = @_;
+     urpm::media::update_media($packages, distrib => 1, callback => \&urpm::download::sync_logger) or
+         log::l('updating media failed');
+-    urpm::media::configure($packages);
++    urpm::media::configure($packages, cmdline_skiplist => $::o->{skipped_packages});
+ }
+ 
+ sub get_media {
\ No newline at end of file
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+index 44d9bf9..7034ffb 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/install2.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/install2.pm
+@@ -385,6 +385,7 @@ sub main {
+ 	    newt      => sub { $o->{interactive} = "curses" },
+ 	    text      => sub { $o->{interactive} = "curses" },
+ 	    stdio     => sub { $o->{interactive} = "stdio" },
++	    skip      => sub { $o->{skipped_packages} = $v },
+ 	    use_uuid  => sub { $::no_uuid_by_default = !$v },
+ 	    kickstart => sub { $::auto_install = $v },
+ 	    local_install => sub { $::local_install = 1 },
+diff --git a/perl-install/install/media.pm b/perl-install/install/media.pm
+index d821ab8..38ccd5e 100644
+--- a/perl-install/install/media.pm
++++ b/perl-install/install/media.pm
+@@ -504,7 +504,7 @@ sub configure_media {
+     my ($packages) = @_;
+     urpm::media::update_media($packages, distrib => 1, callback => \&urpm::download::sync_logger) or
+         log::l('updating media failed');
+-    urpm::media::configure($packages);
++    urpm::media::configure($packages, cmdline_skiplist => $::o->{skipped_packages});
+ }
+ 
+ sub get_media {
\ No newline at end of file
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+WebKitGTK+ 1.8.1 is available for download at:
+
+http://webkitgtk.org/releases/webkit-1.8.1.tar.xz (7.6MB)
+  md5sum: f2f01b1fdc7262a2eede81ebed0970b2
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+This is the second stable release in the 1.8 series.
+
+What's new since the WebKitGTK+ 1.8.0 release?
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+ - NOTE: The libsoup dependency has been raised to 2.37.92
+ - Throttle DNS prefetching to avoid overloading the resolver.
+ - Fix a bug where the Content-Length header was not sent for certain
+   XMLHttpRequests.
+ - Fix a repainting error that occurred during interior frame scrolling.
+ - Fix a SIGILL crash in JavaScriptCore on the Geode processor.
+ - Fix the rendering of toggle buttons with larger-than-default widths
+   and heights with the Adwaita theme.
+ - Fix a crash that could occur during synchronous XMLHttpRequests.
+ - Fix flickering during scrolling and resizing in newer versions of
+   GTK+.
+ - Merge many security fixes from trunk
+
+
+What is WebKitGTK+?
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+WebKitGTK+ is the GNOME platform port of the WebKit rendering engine.
+Offering WebKit's full functionality through a set of GObject-based
+APIs, it is suitable for projects requiring any kind of web
+integration, from hybrid HTML/CSS applications to full-fledged web
+browsers.
+
+Requirements
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+gtk+ &gt;=3D 2.10
+gail &gt;=3D 1.8
+glib &gt;=3D 2.31.2
+libsoup &gt;=3D 2.37.92
+cairo &gt;=3D 1.10
+libxml &gt;=3D 2.6
+fontconfig &gt;=3D 2.4
+FreeType2 &gt;=3D 9.0
+
+Depending on your configuration options WebKitGTK+ may also depend on:
+
+gtk+ &gt;=3D 3.0
+gail &gt;=3D 3.0
+libxslt &gt;=3D 1.1.7
+SQLite &gt;=3D 3.0
+gstreamer &gt;=3D 0.10
+gstreamer-plugin-base &gt;=3D 0.10.30
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+
+More information
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+If you want to know more about the project or get in touch with us
+you may:
+
+  - Visit our website at http://www.webkitgtk.org, or the upstream
+    site at http://www.webkit.org. People interested in contributing
+    should read: http://www.webkit.org/coding/contributing.html.
+
+  - Browse the bug list at http://bugs.webkit.org, WebKitGTK+ bugs are
+    typically prefixed by &quot;[GTK].&quot; A bug report with a minimal,
+    reproducible test case is often just as valuable as a patch.
+
+  - Join the #webkit and #webkitgtk+ IRC channels at irc.freenode.net.
+
+  - Subscribe to the WebKitGTK+ mailing list,
+    http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-gtk, or the
+    WebKit's development mailing list,
+    http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev
+
+Thanks
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+
+Thanks to all the contributors who made possible this release, they
+are far too many to list!
+
+The WebKitGTK+ team,
+April 24, 2012
+
+
+
+
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+WebKitGTK+ 1.8.1 is available for download at:
+
+http://webkitgtk.org/releases/webkit-1.8.1.tar.xz (7.6MB)
+  md5sum: f2f01b1fdc7262a2eede81ebed0970b2
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+This is the second stable release in the 1.8 series.
+
+What's new since the WebKitGTK+ 1.8.0 release?
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+ - NOTE: The libsoup dependency has been raised to 2.37.92
+ - Throttle DNS prefetching to avoid overloading the resolver.
+ - Fix a bug where the Content-Length header was not sent for certain
+   XMLHttpRequests.
+ - Fix a repainting error that occurred during interior frame scrolling.
+ - Fix a SIGILL crash in JavaScriptCore on the Geode processor.
+ - Fix the rendering of toggle buttons with larger-than-default widths
+   and heights with the Adwaita theme.
+ - Fix a crash that could occur during synchronous XMLHttpRequests.
+ - Fix flickering during scrolling and resizing in newer versions of
+   GTK+.
+ - Merge many security fixes from trunk
+
+
+What is WebKitGTK+?
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+WebKitGTK+ is the GNOME platform port of the WebKit rendering engine.
+Offering WebKit's full functionality through a set of GObject-based
+APIs, it is suitable for projects requiring any kind of web
+integration, from hybrid HTML/CSS applications to full-fledged web
+browsers.
+
+Requirements
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+gtk+ &gt;=3D 2.10
+gail &gt;=3D 1.8
+glib &gt;=3D 2.31.2
+libsoup &gt;=3D 2.37.92
+cairo &gt;=3D 1.10
+libxml &gt;=3D 2.6
+fontconfig &gt;=3D 2.4
+FreeType2 &gt;=3D 9.0
+
+Depending on your configuration options WebKitGTK+ may also depend on:
+
+gtk+ &gt;=3D 3.0
+gail &gt;=3D 3.0
+libxslt &gt;=3D 1.1.7
+SQLite &gt;=3D 3.0
+gstreamer &gt;=3D 0.10
+gstreamer-plugin-base &gt;=3D 0.10.30
+enchant &gt;=3D 0.22
+
+More information
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+If you want to know more about the project or get in touch with us
+you may:
+
+  - Visit our website at http://www.webkitgtk.org, or the upstream
+    site at http://www.webkit.org. People interested in contributing
+    should read: http://www.webkit.org/coding/contributing.html.
+
+  - Browse the bug list at http://bugs.webkit.org, WebKitGTK+ bugs are
+    typically prefixed by &quot;[GTK].&quot; A bug report with a minimal,
+    reproducible test case is often just as valuable as a patch.
+
+  - Join the #webkit and #webkitgtk+ IRC channels at irc.freenode.net.
+
+  - Subscribe to the WebKitGTK+ mailing list,
+    http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-gtk, or the
+    WebKit's development mailing list,
+    http://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/webkit-dev
+
+Thanks
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+
+Thanks to all the contributors who made possible this release, they
+are far too many to list!
+
+The WebKitGTK+ team,
+April 24, 2012
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
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+<p>Ping<br>
+Le 25 avr. 2012 08:26, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Could you please push knetworkmanager ?<br>
+&gt; This new version fix a missing requires for the openconnect module ( mga #5601 )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Ping?</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120426/ad606d76/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120426/ad606d76/attachment.html
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+<p>Ping<br>
+Le 25 avr. 2012 08:26, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Could you please push knetworkmanager ?<br>
+&gt; This new version fix a missing requires for the openconnect module ( mga #5601 )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Ping?</p>
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/26 simple w8 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:simplew8@gmail.com" target="_blank">simplew8@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/4/26 Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; simple w8 skrev 26.4.2012 08:33:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Since kernel-3.3.3 was installed and every time i run it, the machine<br>
+&gt;&gt; detects much less wifi networks that running any other kernel.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some is limiting the wifi antenna with this kernel-3.3.3.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I have had the same problem,  draknetcenter was configured with a wrong contry. I change this and everything went in order.</div><div><br></div><div>-&gt; go to draknetcenter, then advanced parameter and change your country.</div>
+</div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120426/b363f785/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120426/b363f785/attachment.html
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/26 simple w8 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:simplew8@gmail.com" target="_blank">simplew8@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/4/26 Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; simple w8 skrev 26.4.2012 08:33:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Since kernel-3.3.3 was installed and every time i run it, the machine<br>
+&gt;&gt; detects much less wifi networks that running any other kernel.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some is limiting the wifi antenna with this kernel-3.3.3.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I have had the same problem,  draknetcenter was configured with a wrong contry. I change this and everything went in order.</div><div><br></div><div>-&gt; go to draknetcenter, then advanced parameter and change your country.</div>
+</div></div>
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+#!/usr/bin/perl
+
+use strict;
+use warnings;
+
+my $version;
+
+# Given a list of filenames on the command line or on stdin this
+# script returns the rpm-helper minimal version needed to handle them
+
+if (@ARGV) {
+    foreach (@ARGV) {
+	process_file($_);
+    }
+} else {
+  # notice we are passed a list of filenames NOT as common in unix the
+  # contents of the file.
+    foreach (<>) {
+	process_file($_);
+    }
+}
+
+if ($version) {
+    print "Requires(post): rpm-helper >= $version\n";
+    print "Requires(preun): rpm-helper >= $version\n";
+
+}
+
+sub process_file {
+    my ($file) = @_;
+
+    return unless -f $file;
+    return unless $file =~ m{/lib/systemd/system/\S+\.service$};
+
+    $version = "0.24.8";
+}
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+#!/usr/bin/perl
+
+use strict;
+use warnings;
+
+my $version;
+
+# Given a list of filenames on the command line or on stdin this
+# script returns the rpm-helper minimal version needed to handle them
+
+if (@ARGV) {
+    foreach (@ARGV) {
+	process_file($_);
+    }
+} else {
+  # notice we are passed a list of filenames NOT as common in unix the
+  # contents of the file.
+    foreach (<>) {
+	process_file($_);
+    }
+}
+
+if ($version) {
+    print "Requires(post): rpm-helper >= $version\n";
+    print "Requires(preun): rpm-helper >= $version\n";
+
+}
+
+sub process_file {
+    my ($file) = @_;
+
+    return unless -f $file;
+    return unless $file =~ m{/lib/systemd/system/\S+\.service$};
+
+    $version = "0.24.8";
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I will have a very bussi weekend,&nbsp; can anyone help me to fix openldap?<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I will have a very bussi weekend,&nbsp; can anyone help me to fix openldap?<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></span></i></font></div></body></html>

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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/29 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+So RC (and final) are getting closer, as usual the livecds are<br>
+problematic to get nice contents, while staying within the 700M limit<br>
+<br>
+Current RC build got me this:<br>
+<br>
+668M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+693M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+703M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+728M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+684M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+709M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+697M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+722M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+662M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+686M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+710M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+734M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+690M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+714M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+720M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+744M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+So atleast every cd with size &gt; 700M need to loose some stuff...<br>
+<br>
+So please help out with suggestions...<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>For KDE LiveCDs, python-qt4-* are for sure nice to have but are they really and absolutely needed? </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+You can check out current contents here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/" target="_blank">http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/</a><br>
+<br>
+Files are:<br>
+*.langs      - Supported languages on the CD<br>
+*.lst        - installed package list, sorted alphabetically<br>
+*.lst.full   - installed packages list, sorted by size<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now, remember that the livecds are squashfs compressed images,<br>
+so in order to drop ~20M on a cd, I need to drop ~30M-100M of<br>
+rpms depending on content...<br>
+<br>
+Also if you find something missing that relly _must_ be on the<br>
+cds (not just nice to have)... please comment on that too<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/29 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+So RC (and final) are getting closer, as usual the livecds are<br>
+problematic to get nice contents, while staying within the 700M limit<br>
+<br>
+Current RC build got me this:<br>
+<br>
+668M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+693M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+703M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+728M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+684M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+709M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+697M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+722M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+662M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+686M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+710M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+734M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+690M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+714M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+720M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+744M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+So atleast every cd with size &gt; 700M need to loose some stuff...<br>
+<br>
+So please help out with suggestions...<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>For KDE LiveCDs, python-qt4-* are for sure nice to have but are they really and absolutely needed? </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+You can check out current contents here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/" target="_blank">http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/</a><br>
+<br>
+Files are:<br>
+*.langs      - Supported languages on the CD<br>
+*.lst        - installed package list, sorted alphabetically<br>
+*.lst.full   - installed packages list, sorted by size<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now, remember that the livecds are squashfs compressed images,<br>
+so in order to drop ~20M on a cd, I need to drop ~30M-100M of<br>
+rpms depending on content...<br>
+<br>
+Also if you find something missing that relly _must_ be on the<br>
+cds (not just nice to have)... please comment on that too<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+29.04.2012 21:47, Thomas Backlund skrev:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So RC (and final) are getting closer, as usual the livecds are<br>
+&gt; problematic to get nice contents, while staying within the 700M limit<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>So...<br>
+<br>
+after dropping kipi-plugins-expoblending,hugin, inkscape, the package<br>
+cleanups done by blino and switching livecd initrd to xz I am now down<br>
+to 3  isos that need some more work...<br>
+<br>
+Suggestions ?<br>
+<br>
+707M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-x86_64<br>
+712M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-x86_64<br>
+722M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-x86_64<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Looked at KDE4-Europe2 and two questions: for what is cracklib-dicts used (or rather, is it necessicity for LiveCD) and why is there python-kde4/qt4 if there seems to be no printer-applet, scp-kde or kajongg which surely would need it?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div>
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+29.04.2012 21:47, Thomas Backlund skrev:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So RC (and final) are getting closer, as usual the livecds are<br>
+&gt; problematic to get nice contents, while staying within the 700M limit<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>So...<br>
+<br>
+after dropping kipi-plugins-expoblending,hugin, inkscape, the package<br>
+cleanups done by blino and switching livecd initrd to xz I am now down<br>
+to 3  isos that need some more work...<br>
+<br>
+Suggestions ?<br>
+<br>
+707M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-x86_64<br>
+712M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-x86_64<br>
+722M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-x86_64<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Looked at KDE4-Europe2 and two questions: for what is cracklib-dicts used (or rather, is it necessicity for LiveCD) and why is there python-kde4/qt4 if there seems to be no printer-applet, scp-kde or kajongg which surely would need it?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:21:06 nicolas vigier wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The following list of packages are on the svn in the cauldron directory,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; but are not in the packages repository. This should be packages that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; have been renamed, obsoleted, or imported but never submitted. I plan</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to move them to the directory obsolete, unless someone notice an error</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and think some of them should be resubmitted.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-mapi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This requires some packages from samba4 (see below) to build.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; openldap-smbk5pwd</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I thought I had submitted, but it needs to be updated to 2.4.29 anyway. Please don't remove it, I will try and update it today.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; samba4</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This one I haven't been able to fix an undefined symbols issue:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3297/3845] Linking default/source4/heimdal_build/libroken-samba4.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3298/3845] Linking default/lib/ccan/libccan.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3299/3845] Linking default/nsswitch/libwinbind-client.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3300/3845] Linking default/source3/libsmbd_shim.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3301/3845] Linking default/lib/socket_wrapper/py-socket-wrapper.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3302/3845] Linking default/lib/util/libwrap_xattr.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">default/lib/socket_wrapper/py_socket_wrapper_1.o: In function `py_socket_write':</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">py_socket_wrapper.c:(.text+0x6b): undefined reference to `swrap_send'</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">default/lib/socket_wrapper/py_socket_wrapper_1.o: In function `py_socket_sendall':</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">py_socket_wrapper.c:(.text+0x115): undefined reference to `swrap_send'</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">default/lib/socket_wrapper/py_socket_wrapper_1.o: In function `py_socket_send':</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">py_socket_wrapper.c:(.text+0x1b5): undefined reference to `swrap_send'</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[...]</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Please don't remove it.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:21:06 nicolas vigier wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The following list of packages are on the svn in the cauldron directory,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; but are not in the packages repository. This should be packages that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; have been renamed, obsoleted, or imported but never submitted. I plan</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to move them to the directory obsolete, unless someone notice an error</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and think some of them should be resubmitted.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-mapi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This requires some packages from samba4 (see below) to build.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; openldap-smbk5pwd</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I thought I had submitted, but it needs to be updated to 2.4.29 anyway. Please don't remove it, I will try and update it today.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; samba4</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This one I haven't been able to fix an undefined symbols issue:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3297/3845] Linking default/source4/heimdal_build/libroken-samba4.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3298/3845] Linking default/lib/ccan/libccan.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3299/3845] Linking default/nsswitch/libwinbind-client.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3300/3845] Linking default/source3/libsmbd_shim.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3301/3845] Linking default/lib/socket_wrapper/py-socket-wrapper.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[3302/3845] Linking default/lib/util/libwrap_xattr.so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">default/lib/socket_wrapper/py_socket_wrapper_1.o: In function `py_socket_write':</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">py_socket_wrapper.c:(.text+0x6b): undefined reference to `swrap_send'</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">default/lib/socket_wrapper/py_socket_wrapper_1.o: In function `py_socket_sendall':</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">py_socket_wrapper.c:(.text+0x115): undefined reference to `swrap_send'</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">default/lib/socket_wrapper/py_socket_wrapper_1.o: In function `py_socket_send':</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">py_socket_wrapper.c:(.text+0x1b5): undefined reference to `swrap_send'</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[...]</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Please don't remove it.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+#!/bin/sh
+#---------------------------------------------------------------
+# Project         : Mageia
+# Module          : bin
+# File            : xte
+# Author          : David Walser
+# Created On      : Thu Apr 3 16:26:54 2012
+# Purpose         : launch a text editor
+#---------------------------------------------------------------
+
+strip_texteditor_var() {
+    if [[ -n "$TEXTEDITOR" ]]; then
+	if [[ `basename "$TEXTEDITOR"` == "xte" ]]; then
+	    unset TEXTEDITOR
+	elif ! which $TEXTEDITOR > /dev/null 2>&1; then
+	    unset TEXTEDITOR
+	fi
+    fi
+}
+
+strip_texteditor_var
+if [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]]; then
+ 
+    # using GNOME
+    if [[ -n "$GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID" ]]; then
+	TEXTEDITOR="gedit"
+    fi
+
+    #using KDE
+    if [[ -n "$KDE_FULL_SESSION" ]]; then
+	TEXTEDITOR="kwrite"
+    fi
+
+
+    strip_texteditor_var
+    
+    [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]] && TEXTEDITOR=`which kwrite 2> /dev/null` 
+    [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]] && TEXTEDITOR=`which gedit 2> /dev/null` 
+    
+    if [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]]; then
+	EMACS=`/usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list emacs`
+	if [[ -n "$EMACS" ]]; then
+	    if [[ `basename "$EMACS"` = "emacs-nox" ]]; then
+		TEXTEDITOR="xvt -e emacs"
+	    else
+		TEXTEDITOR="emacs"
+	    fi
+	fi
+    fi
+    
+    [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]] && which vim > /dev/null 2>&1 && TEXTEDITOR="xvt -e vim"
+    [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]] && which nano > /dev/null 2>&1 && TEXTEDITOR="xvt -e nano"
+fi
+
+if [[ -n "$TEXTEDITOR" ]]; then 
+    exec $TEXTEDITOR $@
+else
+    echo "no text editor detected"
+fi
+
+# xte ends here
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+#!/bin/sh
+#---------------------------------------------------------------
+# Project         : Mageia
+# Module          : bin
+# File            : xte
+# Author          : David Walser
+# Created On      : Thu Apr 3 16:26:54 2012
+# Purpose         : launch a text editor
+#---------------------------------------------------------------
+
+strip_texteditor_var() {
+    if [[ -n "$TEXTEDITOR" ]]; then
+	if [[ `basename "$TEXTEDITOR"` == "xte" ]]; then
+	    unset TEXTEDITOR
+	elif ! which $TEXTEDITOR > /dev/null 2>&1; then
+	    unset TEXTEDITOR
+	fi
+    fi
+}
+
+strip_texteditor_var
+if [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]]; then
+ 
+    # using GNOME
+    if [[ -n "$GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID" ]]; then
+	TEXTEDITOR="gedit"
+    fi
+
+    #using KDE
+    if [[ -n "$KDE_FULL_SESSION" ]]; then
+	TEXTEDITOR="kwrite"
+    fi
+
+
+    strip_texteditor_var
+    
+    [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]] && TEXTEDITOR=`which kwrite 2> /dev/null` 
+    [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]] && TEXTEDITOR=`which gedit 2> /dev/null` 
+    
+    if [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]]; then
+	EMACS=`/usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list emacs`
+	if [[ -n "$EMACS" ]]; then
+	    if [[ `basename "$EMACS"` = "emacs-nox" ]]; then
+		TEXTEDITOR="xvt -e emacs"
+	    else
+		TEXTEDITOR="emacs"
+	    fi
+	fi
+    fi
+    
+    [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]] && which vim > /dev/null 2>&1 && TEXTEDITOR="xvt -e vim"
+    [[ -z "$TEXTEDITOR" ]] && which nano > /dev/null 2>&1 && TEXTEDITOR="xvt -e nano"
+fi
+
+if [[ -n "$TEXTEDITOR" ]]; then 
+    exec $TEXTEDITOR $@
+else
+    echo "no text editor detected"
+fi
+
+# xte ends here
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120502/301d911c/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120502/301d911c/attachment-0001.html
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/1 Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+It&#39;s an upgrade to newer revision as our current version is not working too well. Input fields have weird glitches and text is overlapping.<br>
+New revision seems to fix all those problems and is working OK.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div>Ping?<br><br>--<br>Sander<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/1 Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+It&#39;s an upgrade to newer revision as our current version is not working too well. Input fields have weird glitches and text is overlapping.<br>
+New revision seems to fix all those problems and is working OK.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div>Ping?<br><br>--<br>Sander<br>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: nicolas vigier</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/02/12 12:21 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: [Mageia-dev] List of packages on svn but not in the packages repository</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Hello, 
+
+The following list of packages are on the svn in the cauldron directory, 
+but are not in the packages repository. This should be packages that 
+have been renamed, obsoleted, or imported but never submitted. I plan 
+to move them to the directory obsolete, unless someone notice an error 
+and think some of them should be resubmitted. 
+
+
+aifad 
+amanda 
+apache-cassandra 
+apt-maven-plugin 
+axiom 
+bcd 
+bombono-dvd 
+bootsplash-themes 
+camorama 
+cddbd 
+ceylon 
+codeina 
+collectl 
+collectl-utils 
+construder 
+db2 
+dcmtk 
+dkms-nvidiabl 
+dkms-qc-usb-messenger 
+drakfirsttime 
+dsgui 
+emerald 
+emerald-themes 
+ettercap-ng 
+evolution-mapi 
+excalibur-avalon-logkit 
+fasm 
+fatback 
+firefox-beta 
+flphoto 
+fltk2 
+fontbox 
+freespeak 
+geronimo-annotation-1_1-api 
+glassfish-hk2 
+glassfish-jaxws 
+gmetadom 
+gmpc-mdcover 
+gnome-applet-netspeed 
+gnome-sensors-applet 
+gnome-themes 
+gq 
+grepmail 
+gstreamermm0.10 
+gtkam 
+gtk+extra-2 
+horde-argv 
+horde-auth 
+horde-browser 
+horde-cache 
+horde-cli 
+horde-form 
+horde-icalendar 
+horde-kolab-format 
+horde-mime 
+horde-nls 
+horde-notification 
+horde-prefs 
+horde-util 
+hyphen-id 
+icu3 
+ike 
+imageshack-uploader 
+infinispan 
+insight 
+iwlwifi-1000-ucode 
+iwlwifi-6005-ucode 
+jag 
+jajuk 
+jakarta-commons-io 
+java_lzma 
+jaxb2-common-basics 
+jboss-metadata 
+jclouds 
+jetty7 
+jruby-embed 
+k4guitune 
+kde-youtube-servicemenu 
+kipi-plugins 
+kmod-nvidia173 
+kmod-nvidia96xx 
+kryo 
+ksecrets 
+ksh 
+ktoon 
+kverbos 
+libapplewm 
+libgdome 
+libjpeg-turbo 
+libowfat 
+libpanelappletmm 
+librcps 
+libvmime07 
+linux_logo 
+madb 
+manslide 
+mathplot 
+maven-common-artifact-filters 
+maven-native 
+maven-plugin-emma 
+maven-taglib-plugin 
+mdvsys 
+mdv-youri-core 
+memprof 
+methane 
+metisse 
+mga-rpm-summary 
+mplayerplugin 
+myfaces 
+nagios-check_varnish 
+ncbi 
+nifty-examples 
+nifty-openal-soundsystem 
+nixnote 
+nucleo 
+nvidia173 
+nvidia-96xx 
+oauth 
+oce 
+ocrad 
+ontv 
+openldap-smbk5pwd 
+openorb-property 
+performous 
+perl-AcePerl 
+perl-AptPkg 
+perl-Catalyst-Plugin-JSONRPC 
+perl-Config-Model-Approx 
+perl-Config-Model-Backend-Augeas 
+perl-Devel-Arena 
+perl-Devel-LeakTrace 
+perl-Gnome2-PanelApplet 
+perl-JavaScript 
+perl-JQuery 
+perl-Mail-SPF-Query 
+perl-Parse-DebianChangelog 
+perl-Project-Builder 
+perl-SVN-Mirror 
+perl-Sys-Info 
+perl-Test-Benchmark 
+perl-Test-TAP-HTMLMatrix 
+perl-VCP 
+perl-VCP-Dest-svk 
+perl-WWW-Google-Images 
+perl-X-Osd 
+perl-Youri-Package-RPM-Builder 
+php-esmtp 
+php-java-bridge 
+php-mailparse 
+php-mdbtools 
+php-ming 
+php-netools 
+php-optimizer 
+php-pear-Auth_PrefManager 
+php-pear-Crypt_Rc4 
+php-pear-Image_IPTC 
+php-pinba 
+php-sphinx 
+php-tclink 
+php-translit 
+php-vld 
+pianobooster 
+plasma-applet-stackfolder 
+plexus-naming 
+python-hachoir-subfile 
+python-numeric 
+python-pam 
+python-xfce 
+racket 
+reflectasm 
+resteasy 
+retroshare 
+rt2870-firmware 
+rtl8192ce_se_de 
+ruby-gnome2 
+samba4 
+scim-honoka-plugin-anthy 
+scim-honoka-plugin-kanainput 
+scim-honoka-plugin-prime 
+scim-honoka-plugin-romkan 
+scim-honoka-plugin-simpleprediction 
+scim-honoka-plugin-skkdic 
+scim-prime 
+scim-sinhala 
+sfml 
+shellinabox 
+simulavr 
+sitemesh 
+sphinx 
+springlobby 
+sql-maven-plugin 
+sshj 
+subtitleeditor 
+tcl-sqlite3 
+telepathy-kde-accounts-kcm-plugins 
+telepathy-kde-presence-dataengine 
+terminatorX 
+texmakerx 
+tika 
+tinyerp 
+tomoe-gtk 
+ufoai-data 
+virt-mem 
+visualvm 
+vnc 
+voldemort 
+weld-api 
+wkhtmltopdf 
+wpd2sxw 
+x11-driver-input-citron 
+xaralx 
+xpat2 
+</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: nicolas vigier</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/02/12 12:21 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: [Mageia-dev] List of packages on svn but not in the packages repository</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Hello, 
+
+The following list of packages are on the svn in the cauldron directory, 
+but are not in the packages repository. This should be packages that 
+have been renamed, obsoleted, or imported but never submitted. I plan 
+to move them to the directory obsolete, unless someone notice an error 
+and think some of them should be resubmitted. 
+
+
+aifad 
+amanda 
+apache-cassandra 
+apt-maven-plugin 
+axiom 
+bcd 
+bombono-dvd 
+bootsplash-themes 
+camorama 
+cddbd 
+ceylon 
+codeina 
+collectl 
+collectl-utils 
+construder 
+db2 
+dcmtk 
+dkms-nvidiabl 
+dkms-qc-usb-messenger 
+drakfirsttime 
+dsgui 
+emerald 
+emerald-themes 
+ettercap-ng 
+evolution-mapi 
+excalibur-avalon-logkit 
+fasm 
+fatback 
+firefox-beta 
+flphoto 
+fltk2 
+fontbox 
+freespeak 
+geronimo-annotation-1_1-api 
+glassfish-hk2 
+glassfish-jaxws 
+gmetadom 
+gmpc-mdcover 
+gnome-applet-netspeed 
+gnome-sensors-applet 
+gnome-themes 
+gq 
+grepmail 
+gstreamermm0.10 
+gtkam 
+gtk+extra-2 
+horde-argv 
+horde-auth 
+horde-browser 
+horde-cache 
+horde-cli 
+horde-form 
+horde-icalendar 
+horde-kolab-format 
+horde-mime 
+horde-nls 
+horde-notification 
+horde-prefs 
+horde-util 
+hyphen-id 
+icu3 
+ike 
+imageshack-uploader 
+infinispan 
+insight 
+iwlwifi-1000-ucode 
+iwlwifi-6005-ucode 
+jag 
+jajuk 
+jakarta-commons-io 
+java_lzma 
+jaxb2-common-basics 
+jboss-metadata 
+jclouds 
+jetty7 
+jruby-embed 
+k4guitune 
+kde-youtube-servicemenu 
+kipi-plugins 
+kmod-nvidia173 
+kmod-nvidia96xx 
+kryo 
+ksecrets 
+ksh 
+ktoon 
+kverbos 
+libapplewm 
+libgdome 
+libjpeg-turbo 
+libowfat 
+libpanelappletmm 
+librcps 
+libvmime07 
+linux_logo 
+madb 
+manslide 
+mathplot 
+maven-common-artifact-filters 
+maven-native 
+maven-plugin-emma 
+maven-taglib-plugin 
+mdvsys 
+mdv-youri-core 
+memprof 
+methane 
+metisse 
+mga-rpm-summary 
+mplayerplugin 
+myfaces 
+nagios-check_varnish 
+ncbi 
+nifty-examples 
+nifty-openal-soundsystem 
+nixnote 
+nucleo 
+nvidia173 
+nvidia-96xx 
+oauth 
+oce 
+ocrad 
+ontv 
+openldap-smbk5pwd 
+openorb-property 
+performous 
+perl-AcePerl 
+perl-AptPkg 
+perl-Catalyst-Plugin-JSONRPC 
+perl-Config-Model-Approx 
+perl-Config-Model-Backend-Augeas 
+perl-Devel-Arena 
+perl-Devel-LeakTrace 
+perl-Gnome2-PanelApplet 
+perl-JavaScript 
+perl-JQuery 
+perl-Mail-SPF-Query 
+perl-Parse-DebianChangelog 
+perl-Project-Builder 
+perl-SVN-Mirror 
+perl-Sys-Info 
+perl-Test-Benchmark 
+perl-Test-TAP-HTMLMatrix 
+perl-VCP 
+perl-VCP-Dest-svk 
+perl-WWW-Google-Images 
+perl-X-Osd 
+perl-Youri-Package-RPM-Builder 
+php-esmtp 
+php-java-bridge 
+php-mailparse 
+php-mdbtools 
+php-ming 
+php-netools 
+php-optimizer 
+php-pear-Auth_PrefManager 
+php-pear-Crypt_Rc4 
+php-pear-Image_IPTC 
+php-pinba 
+php-sphinx 
+php-tclink 
+php-translit 
+php-vld 
+pianobooster 
+plasma-applet-stackfolder 
+plexus-naming 
+python-hachoir-subfile 
+python-numeric 
+python-pam 
+python-xfce 
+racket 
+reflectasm 
+resteasy 
+retroshare 
+rt2870-firmware 
+rtl8192ce_se_de 
+ruby-gnome2 
+samba4 
+scim-honoka-plugin-anthy 
+scim-honoka-plugin-kanainput 
+scim-honoka-plugin-prime 
+scim-honoka-plugin-romkan 
+scim-honoka-plugin-simpleprediction 
+scim-honoka-plugin-skkdic 
+scim-prime 
+scim-sinhala 
+sfml 
+shellinabox 
+simulavr 
+sitemesh 
+sphinx 
+springlobby 
+sql-maven-plugin 
+sshj 
+subtitleeditor 
+tcl-sqlite3 
+telepathy-kde-accounts-kcm-plugins 
+telepathy-kde-presence-dataengine 
+terminatorX 
+texmakerx 
+tika 
+tinyerp 
+tomoe-gtk 
+ufoai-data 
+virt-mem 
+visualvm 
+vnc 
+voldemort 
+weld-api 
+wkhtmltopdf 
+wpd2sxw 
+x11-driver-input-citron 
+xaralx 
+xpat2 
+</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hello!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Please push drakx-installer-help 2.12<br /> 
+There are just translations updated (2012-05-01).<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Then rebuild against it drakx-installer-stage2.</span></span><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hello!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Please push drakx-installer-help 2.12<br /> 
+There are just translations updated (2012-05-01).<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Then rebuild against it drakx-installer-stage2.</span></span><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+</span></span>
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+Please dont delete the follows packages, they are in progress (waiting confirmation from my mentor)<br><br>imageshack-uploader<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5131">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5131</a><br>
+<br>k4guitune<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2053">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2053</a><br><br>kde-youtube-servicemenu<br>waiting confirmation from my mentor<br><br>kbiff<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1704">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1704</a><br>
+<br><br>Thanks<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+Please dont delete the follows packages, they are in progress (waiting confirmation from my mentor)<br><br>imageshack-uploader<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5131">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5131</a><br>
+<br>k4guitune<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2053">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2053</a><br><br>kde-youtube-servicemenu<br>waiting confirmation from my mentor<br><br>kbiff<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1704">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1704</a><br>
+<br><br>Thanks<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: nicolas vigier</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/02/12 12:21 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: [Mageia-dev] List of packages on svn but not in the packages repository</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Hello, 
+
+The following list of packages are on the svn in the cauldron directory, 
+but are not in the packages repository. 
+
+</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span>Please don't remove ceylon - it's too early version to include it into Mga2; remove racket - it had been already packaged for Mga2 as AFAIR plt. Shellinabox and axiom are being slowly packaged, not finished - there were bug requests against them. I will look what is hyphen-id, don't remove it.</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: nicolas vigier</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/02/12 12:21 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: [Mageia-dev] List of packages on svn but not in the packages repository</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Hello, 
+
+The following list of packages are on the svn in the cauldron directory, 
+but are not in the packages repository. 
+
+</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span>Please don't remove ceylon - it's too early version to include it into Mga2; remove racket - it had been already packaged for Mga2 as AFAIR plt. Shellinabox and axiom are being slowly packaged, not finished - there were bug requests against them. I will look what is hyphen-id, don't remove it.</span></span>
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+On May 2, 2012 4:34 AM, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Wednesday 02 May 2012 00:21, nicolas vigier wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;or imported but never submitted.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have a feeling that many packages are imported but not submitted because of the version freeze, and hence no packages should be submitted. But they may import them into svn and planing to submitt after the final release.<br>
+
+&gt; You should also keep in mind that there are many submittions that never builds, because the build fail for some reason. Hence no package is made and copied to the repository. And if the packager doesn&#39;t notice this, he would think all is fine.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;unless someone notice an error<br>
+&gt; &gt;and think some of them should be resubmitted.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;mdv-youri-core<br>
+&gt; I would think this is a forgotten build.</p>
+<p>No, this is obsolete, this was a mdv fork of youri libs for the build system but we have switched to upstream ones (for this part at least)</p>
+<p>&gt; &gt;mdvsys<br>
+&gt; &gt;fatback<br>
+&gt; Recently imported. Someone forgot to submit, the build failed or they are holding submittion untill after final release, is my theory.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;mplayerplugin<br>
+&gt; I depend on this to have non-flashbased webvideo working. Please resubmit<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;ufoai-data<br>
+&gt; This is most surely a forgotten build. ufoai depends on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In my oppinion, these 5 listed packages should be resubmitted.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+&gt; PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</p>
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+On May 2, 2012 4:34 AM, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Wednesday 02 May 2012 00:21, nicolas vigier wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;or imported but never submitted.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have a feeling that many packages are imported but not submitted because of the version freeze, and hence no packages should be submitted. But they may import them into svn and planing to submitt after the final release.<br>
+
+&gt; You should also keep in mind that there are many submittions that never builds, because the build fail for some reason. Hence no package is made and copied to the repository. And if the packager doesn&#39;t notice this, he would think all is fine.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;unless someone notice an error<br>
+&gt; &gt;and think some of them should be resubmitted.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;mdv-youri-core<br>
+&gt; I would think this is a forgotten build.</p>
+<p>No, this is obsolete, this was a mdv fork of youri libs for the build system but we have switched to upstream ones (for this part at least)</p>
+<p>&gt; &gt;mdvsys<br>
+&gt; &gt;fatback<br>
+&gt; Recently imported. Someone forgot to submit, the build failed or they are holding submittion untill after final release, is my theory.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;mplayerplugin<br>
+&gt; I depend on this to have non-flashbased webvideo working. Please resubmit<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;ufoai-data<br>
+&gt; This is most surely a forgotten build. ufoai depends on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In my oppinion, these 5 listed packages should be resubmitted.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+&gt; PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</p>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">Hello!<br /> 
+Please push new drakx-installer-help 2.13<br /> 
+There are minor updates in translations, and added new Ukraininan.</span></span><br /> 
+<br /> 
+Thene please rebuild against this package drakx-installer-stage2</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">Hello!<br /> 
+Please push new drakx-installer-help 2.13<br /> 
+There are minor updates in translations, and added new Ukraininan.</span></span><br /> 
+<br /> 
+Thene please rebuild against this package drakx-installer-stage2</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hello!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Please push new kadu 0.11.3 this is a bugfix release.</span></span><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span>+++ version 0.11.3<br /> 
+* history: #2539 fixed: improper import of 0.6.5 history in some cases (Vogel)<br /> 
+* gui: #2335 fixed: fixed QPalette::HighlightedText and QPalette::Highlight Windows workaround to always work properly (beevvy)<br /> 
+* gadu: #2542 fixed: setting proper description on shutdown (Vogel)</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hello!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Please push new kadu 0.11.3 this is a bugfix release.</span></span><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span>+++ version 0.11.3<br /> 
+* history: #2539 fixed: improper import of 0.6.5 history in some cases (Vogel)<br /> 
+* gui: #2335 fixed: fixed QPalette::HighlightedText and QPalette::Highlight Windows workaround to always work properly (beevvy)<br /> 
+* gadu: #2542 fixed: setting proper description on shutdown (Vogel)</span></span>
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+<p><br>
+Le 4 mai 2012 17:19, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/5/4 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata &lt;<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; step<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this bother<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; no<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; one else?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Too late to report.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the final?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the<br>
+&gt; &gt; partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you have<br>
+&gt; &gt; checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more than<br>
+&gt; &gt; usefull.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed the<br>
+&gt; &gt; usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the answers<br>
+&gt; &gt; that i got was like &#39;you click on OK so you have to be sure&#39;, &#39;no needed,<br>
+&gt; &gt; useless feature&#39; etc.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose it<br>
+&gt; &gt; again.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you think you will get a different result? Look at Microsoft.<br>
+&gt; People were so annoyed by all these &quot;Are you sure&quot; popups that<br>
+&gt; comedians started to refer to these popups in their standup sessions<br>
+&gt; (&quot;Do you really want to use the brake pedal?&quot;). AFAIR there hasn&#39;t<br>
+&gt; been such a popup at the situations you pointed to as long as<br>
+&gt; Mandrake/Mandriva existed. I haven&#39;t heard anybody complaining about<br>
+&gt; this (until today).<br>
+&gt; About the selection screens:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; For me the first selection screen (KDE - Gnome - Custom) serves the<br>
+&gt; new user who wants to get on with the installation without any<br>
+&gt; interactive stuff he would not know how to handle it. So the screen<br>
+&gt; presents 2 options which will get him a standard system with one<br>
+&gt; click. Everybody else is surely able to understand the word &quot;Custom&quot;<br>
+&gt; which opens the door to everything else. The next screen offers a<br>
+&gt; package selection which allows for installation of whole groups (or<br>
+&gt; non-installation). This same screen opens the door to the minimal<br>
+&gt; installation options (if you deselect all package groups). It also<br>
+&gt; shows the option &quot;Individual package selection&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; To me this is a logical procedure (one step following the selection of<br>
+&gt; the previous step).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Of course Mageia could put something like &quot;Clicking OK will start the<br>
+&gt; installation&quot; below the KDE and Gnome options or something similar.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; About the partitioning:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What exactly do you miss there (you have seen the &quot;expert&quot; button?) ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; IMHO there is nothing missing or at presented at the wrong state of<br>
+&gt; the installation procedure.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; wobo<br></p>
+<p>In the specific case i mentionned, there is a risc of loosing data, so i think that it is usefull to prevent. Why you are informed when you switch to expert mode in diskdrake?</p>
+<p>Twice i avoided to delete the /home partition. To prevent other users, in the greek translation i add the &#39;formatting (delete data)&#39;</p>
+<p>For &quot;us&quot; there is no risc. Because we install a system many times. The scenario that i describe could happen if you do an installation for the first time or if you are not used to do it often.</p>
+<p>Personaly i dont care, it is very clear for me, but i remember my first time when i &quot;felt&quot; that a confirmation was missing.</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 4 mai 2012 17:19, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/5/4 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata &lt;<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; step<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this bother<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; no<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; one else?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Too late to report.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the final?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the<br>
+&gt; &gt; partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you have<br>
+&gt; &gt; checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more than<br>
+&gt; &gt; usefull.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed the<br>
+&gt; &gt; usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the answers<br>
+&gt; &gt; that i got was like &#39;you click on OK so you have to be sure&#39;, &#39;no needed,<br>
+&gt; &gt; useless feature&#39; etc.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose it<br>
+&gt; &gt; again.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you think you will get a different result? Look at Microsoft.<br>
+&gt; People were so annoyed by all these &quot;Are you sure&quot; popups that<br>
+&gt; comedians started to refer to these popups in their standup sessions<br>
+&gt; (&quot;Do you really want to use the brake pedal?&quot;). AFAIR there hasn&#39;t<br>
+&gt; been such a popup at the situations you pointed to as long as<br>
+&gt; Mandrake/Mandriva existed. I haven&#39;t heard anybody complaining about<br>
+&gt; this (until today).<br>
+&gt; About the selection screens:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; For me the first selection screen (KDE - Gnome - Custom) serves the<br>
+&gt; new user who wants to get on with the installation without any<br>
+&gt; interactive stuff he would not know how to handle it. So the screen<br>
+&gt; presents 2 options which will get him a standard system with one<br>
+&gt; click. Everybody else is surely able to understand the word &quot;Custom&quot;<br>
+&gt; which opens the door to everything else. The next screen offers a<br>
+&gt; package selection which allows for installation of whole groups (or<br>
+&gt; non-installation). This same screen opens the door to the minimal<br>
+&gt; installation options (if you deselect all package groups). It also<br>
+&gt; shows the option &quot;Individual package selection&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; To me this is a logical procedure (one step following the selection of<br>
+&gt; the previous step).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Of course Mageia could put something like &quot;Clicking OK will start the<br>
+&gt; installation&quot; below the KDE and Gnome options or something similar.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; About the partitioning:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What exactly do you miss there (you have seen the &quot;expert&quot; button?) ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; IMHO there is nothing missing or at presented at the wrong state of<br>
+&gt; the installation procedure.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; wobo<br></p>
+<p>In the specific case i mentionned, there is a risc of loosing data, so i think that it is usefull to prevent. Why you are informed when you switch to expert mode in diskdrake?</p>
+<p>Twice i avoided to delete the /home partition. To prevent other users, in the greek translation i add the &#39;formatting (delete data)&#39;</p>
+<p>For &quot;us&quot; there is no risc. Because we install a system many times. The scenario that i describe could happen if you do an installation for the first time or if you are not used to do it often.</p>
+<p>Personaly i dont care, it is very clear for me, but i remember my first time when i &quot;felt&quot; that a confirmation was missing.</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata &lt;<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva. The<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate step<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this bother no<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; one else?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Too late to report.<br>
+&gt; &gt; When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the final?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you have checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted.</p>
+<p>It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more than usefull.<br>
+Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed the usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the answers that i got was like &#39;you click on OK so you have to be sure&#39;, &#39;no needed, useless feature&#39; etc.    </p>
+
+<p>If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose it again.<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata &lt;<a href="mailto:mrmazda@earthlink.net">mrmazda@earthlink.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia&#39;s installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva. The<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate step<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this bother no<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; one else?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Too late to report.<br>
+&gt; &gt; When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the final?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Thomas<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you have checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted.</p>
+<p>It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more than usefull.<br>
+Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed the usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the answers that i got was like &#39;you click on OK so you have to be sure&#39;, &#39;no needed, useless feature&#39; etc.    </p>
+
+<p>If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose it again.<br>
+</p>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;<span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hello!<br /> 
+	<br /> 
+	Please push hunspell 1.3.2 r.3</span></span><br /> 
+	 </p> 
+<span id="editor_signature">Changes<br /> 
+<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span>- add hunspell-dictionary as a suggestion of hunspell (mga#5749)</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;<span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hello!<br /> 
+	<br /> 
+	Please push hunspell 1.3.2 r.3</span></span><br /> 
+	 </p> 
+<span id="editor_signature">Changes<br /> 
+<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span>- add hunspell-dictionary as a suggestion of hunspell (mga#5749)</span></span>
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+# lspcidrake -v | fgrep -i AUDIO
+snd_intel8x0    : Intel Corporation|82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (vendor:8086 device:24d5 subv:1028 subd:0151) (rev: 02)
+
+# grep sound-slot /etc/modprobe.conf
+alias sound-slot-0 snd_intel8x0
+
+# lsmod | sort
+ac97_bus               12670  1 snd_ac97_codec
+af_packet              30650  0 
+ahci                   25496  0 
+ata_piix               22146  8 
+auth_rpcgss            39266  2 nfsd,nfs
+autofs4                37410  3 
+button                 13561  1 i915
+cpufreq_conservative    13495  0 
+cpufreq_ondemand       13452  0 
+cpufreq_powersave      12554  0 
+crc_t10dif             12507  1 sd_mod
+dcdbas                 14409  0 
+dm_log                 18111  2 dm_region_hash,dm_mirror
+dm_mirror              21654  0 
+dm_mod                 71824  2 dm_log,dm_mirror
+dm_region_hash         15977  1 dm_mirror
+drm                   208242  3 drm_kms_helper,i915
+drm_kms_helper         32743  1 i915
+e1000                 124291  0 
+ehci_hcd               55582  0 
+evdev                  17445  4 
+exportfs               12842  1 nfsd
+ext3                  192694  4 
+fat                    55309  1 msdos
+freq_table             14322  2 p4_clockmod,cpufreq_ondemand
+fscache                59501  1 nfs
+fuse                   72055  4 
+i2c_algo_bit           13080  1 i915
+i2c_core               29836  5 drm,drm_kms_helper,i2c_algo_bit,i915,i2c_i801
+i2c_i801               17506  0 
+i915                  414066  2 
+ipv6                  282311  46 
+iTCO_vendor_support    13502  1 iTCO_wdt
+iTCO_wdt               17652  0 
+jbd                    68210  1 ext3
+libahci                25805  1 ahci
+libata                183151  4 sata_sil,ata_piix,libahci,ahci
+lockd                  74024  2 nfsd,nfs
+Module                  Size  Used by
+msdos                  17132  1 
+nfs                   287478  4 
+nfs_acl                12733  2 nfsd,nfs
+nfsd                  227059  11 
+nls_cp437              12751  1 
+p4_clockmod            12992  0 
+pci_hotplug            33983  1 shpchp
+processor              30340  0 
+rng_core               13100  0 
+sata_sil               13245  0 
+scsi_mod              186048  3 libata,sr_mod,sd_mod
+sd_mod                 43934  9 
+shpchp                 32188  0 
+snd                    65929  8 snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_ac97_codec,snd_intel8x0
+snd_ac97_codec        105633  1 snd_intel8x0
+snd_intel8x0           33101  2 
+snd_page_alloc         14036  2 snd_pcm,snd_intel8x0
+snd_pcm                88532  2 snd_ac97_codec,snd_intel8x0
+snd_timer              28598  1 snd_pcm
+soundcore              14599  1 snd
+speedstep_lib          13921  1 p4_clockmod
+sr_mod                 21872  0 
+sunrpc                203822  26 auth_rpcgss,lockd,nfs_acl,nfsd,nfs
+uhci_hcd               31495  0 
+usb_common             12525  1 usbcore
+usbcore               177071  3 uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
+video                  18640  1 i915
+
+# aumix -q
+Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory
+
+# /sbin/fuser -v /dev/dsp
+Specified filename /dev/dsp does not exist.
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+The classic bug sound tester is to run the following commands:
+
+- "lspcidrake -v | fgrep -i AUDIO" will tell you which driver your card uses by default
+- "grep sound-slot /etc/modprobe.conf" will tell you what driver it currently uses
+- "/sbin/lsmod" will enable you to check if its module (driver) is loaded or not
+- "/sbin/chkconfig --list sound" and "/sbin/chkconfig --list alsa" will tell you if sound and alsa services are configured to be run on initlevel 3
+- "aumix -q" will tell you if the sound volume is muted or not
+- "/sbin/fuser -v /dev/dsp" will tell which program uses the sound card.
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+# lspcidrake -v | fgrep -i AUDIO
+snd_intel8x0    : Intel Corporation|82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (vendor:8086 device:24d5 subv:1028 subd:0151) (rev: 02)
+
+# grep sound-slot /etc/modprobe.conf
+alias sound-slot-0 snd_intel8x0
+
+# lsmod | sort
+ac97_bus               12670  1 snd_ac97_codec
+af_packet              30650  0 
+ahci                   25496  0 
+ata_piix               22146  8 
+auth_rpcgss            39266  2 nfsd,nfs
+autofs4                37410  3 
+button                 13561  1 i915
+cpufreq_conservative    13495  0 
+cpufreq_ondemand       13452  0 
+cpufreq_powersave      12554  0 
+crc_t10dif             12507  1 sd_mod
+dcdbas                 14409  0 
+dm_log                 18111  2 dm_region_hash,dm_mirror
+dm_mirror              21654  0 
+dm_mod                 71824  2 dm_log,dm_mirror
+dm_region_hash         15977  1 dm_mirror
+drm                   208242  3 drm_kms_helper,i915
+drm_kms_helper         32743  1 i915
+e1000                 124291  0 
+ehci_hcd               55582  0 
+evdev                  17445  4 
+exportfs               12842  1 nfsd
+ext3                  192694  4 
+fat                    55309  1 msdos
+freq_table             14322  2 p4_clockmod,cpufreq_ondemand
+fscache                59501  1 nfs
+fuse                   72055  4 
+i2c_algo_bit           13080  1 i915
+i2c_core               29836  5 drm,drm_kms_helper,i2c_algo_bit,i915,i2c_i801
+i2c_i801               17506  0 
+i915                  414066  2 
+ipv6                  282311  46 
+iTCO_vendor_support    13502  1 iTCO_wdt
+iTCO_wdt               17652  0 
+jbd                    68210  1 ext3
+libahci                25805  1 ahci
+libata                183151  4 sata_sil,ata_piix,libahci,ahci
+lockd                  74024  2 nfsd,nfs
+Module                  Size  Used by
+msdos                  17132  1 
+nfs                   287478  4 
+nfs_acl                12733  2 nfsd,nfs
+nfsd                  227059  11 
+nls_cp437              12751  1 
+p4_clockmod            12992  0 
+pci_hotplug            33983  1 shpchp
+processor              30340  0 
+rng_core               13100  0 
+sata_sil               13245  0 
+scsi_mod              186048  3 libata,sr_mod,sd_mod
+sd_mod                 43934  9 
+shpchp                 32188  0 
+snd                    65929  8 snd_timer,snd_pcm,snd_ac97_codec,snd_intel8x0
+snd_ac97_codec        105633  1 snd_intel8x0
+snd_intel8x0           33101  2 
+snd_page_alloc         14036  2 snd_pcm,snd_intel8x0
+snd_pcm                88532  2 snd_ac97_codec,snd_intel8x0
+snd_timer              28598  1 snd_pcm
+soundcore              14599  1 snd
+speedstep_lib          13921  1 p4_clockmod
+sr_mod                 21872  0 
+sunrpc                203822  26 auth_rpcgss,lockd,nfs_acl,nfsd,nfs
+uhci_hcd               31495  0 
+usb_common             12525  1 usbcore
+usbcore               177071  3 uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
+video                  18640  1 i915
+
+# aumix -q
+Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory
+
+# /sbin/fuser -v /dev/dsp
+Specified filename /dev/dsp does not exist.
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120505/783fbb6e/attachment.ksh b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120505/783fbb6e/attachment.ksh
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..2342217cb
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120505/783fbb6e/attachment.ksh
@@ -0,0 +1,8 @@
+The classic bug sound tester is to run the following commands:
+
+- "lspcidrake -v | fgrep -i AUDIO" will tell you which driver your card uses by default
+- "grep sound-slot /etc/modprobe.conf" will tell you what driver it currently uses
+- "/sbin/lsmod" will enable you to check if its module (driver) is loaded or not
+- "/sbin/chkconfig --list sound" and "/sbin/chkconfig --list alsa" will tell you if sound and alsa services are configured to be run on initlevel 3
+- "aumix -q" will tell you if the sound volume is muted or not
+- "/sbin/fuser -v /dev/dsp" will tell which program uses the sound card.
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120505/89cbce50/attachment-0001.ksh b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120505/89cbce50/attachment-0001.ksh
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..9436e370b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120505/89cbce50/attachment-0001.ksh
@@ -0,0 +1,558 @@
+Welcome to PulseAudio! Use "help" for usage information.
+>>> Memory blocks currently allocated: 1, size: 64.0 KiB.
+Memory blocks allocated during the whole lifetime: 449, size: 12.1 MiB.
+Memory blocks imported from other processes: 0, size: 0 B.
+Memory blocks exported to other processes: 0, size: 0 B.
+Total sample cache size: 0 B.
+Default sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+Default channel map: front-left,front-right
+Default sink name: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo
+Default source name: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo
+Memory blocks of type POOL: 1 allocated/1 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type POOL_EXTERNAL: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type APPENDED: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type USER: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type FIXED: 0 allocated/395 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type IMPORTED: 0 allocated/53 accumulated.
+24 module(s) loaded.
+    index: 0
+	name: <module-device-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the volume/mute state of devices"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 1
+	name: <module-stream-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the volume/mute/device state of streams"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 2
+	name: <module-card-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore profile of cards"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 3
+	name: <module-augment-properties>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Augment the property sets of streams with additional static information"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 4
+	name: <module-alsa-card>
+	argument: <device_id="0" name="pci-0000_00_1f.5" card_name="alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5" namereg_fail=false tsched=yes fixed_latency_range=no ignore_dB=no deferred_volume=yes card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1">
+	used: 0
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "ALSA Card"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 5
+	name: <module-udev-detect>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Detect available audio hardware and load matching drivers"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 6
+	name: <module-esound-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "ESOUND protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 7
+	name: <module-native-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Native protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 8
+	name: <module-default-device-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the default sink and source"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 9
+	name: <module-rescue-streams>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "When a sink/source is removed, try to move their streams to the default sink/source"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 10
+	name: <module-always-sink>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Always keeps at least one sink loaded even if it's a null one"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 11
+	name: <module-intended-roles>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically set device of streams based of intended roles of devices"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 12
+	name: <module-suspend-on-idle>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "When a sink/source is idle for too long, suspend it"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 13
+	name: <module-console-kit>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Create a client for each ConsoleKit session of this user"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 14
+	name: <module-position-event-sounds>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Position event sounds between L and R depending on the position on screen of the widget triggering them."
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 15
+	name: <module-role-cork>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Mute & cork streams with certain roles while others exist"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 16
+	name: <module-filter-heuristics>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Detect when various filters are desirable"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 17
+	name: <module-filter-apply>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Load filter sinks automatically when needed"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 18
+	name: <module-dbus-protocol>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Tanu Kaskinen"
+		module.description = "D-Bus interface"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 19
+	name: <module-switch-on-port-available>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		
+    index: 20
+	name: <module-x11-publish>
+	argument: <display=:0>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "X11 credential publisher"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 21
+	name: <module-device-manager>
+	argument: <do_routing=1>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Keep track of devices (and their descriptions) both past and present and prioritise by role"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 22
+	name: <module-x11-xsmp>
+	argument: <display=:0 session_manager=local/gx27b:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1419,unix/gx27b:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1419>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "X11 session management"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 23
+	name: <module-cli-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Command line interface protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+1 sink(s) available.
+  * index: 0
+	name: <alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo>
+	driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
+	flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY FLAT_VOLUME DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 9959
+	volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+	        0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume:  63%
+	             -12.00 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max request: 0 KiB
+	max rewind: 0 KiB
+	monitor source: 0
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 48000Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             Stereo
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 341.33 ms
+	card: 0 <alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5>
+	module: 4
+	properties:
+		alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
+		device.api = "alsa"
+		device.class = "sound"
+		alsa.class = "generic"
+		alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
+		alsa.name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.id = "Intel ICH"
+		alsa.subdevice = "0"
+		alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
+		alsa.device = "0"
+		alsa.card = "0"
+		alsa.card_name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.long_card_name = "Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at irq 5"
+		alsa.driver_name = "snd_intel8x0"
+		device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1f.5"
+		sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/sound/card0"
+		device.bus = "pci"
+		device.vendor.id = "8086"
+		device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+		device.product.name = "82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller"
+		device.form_factor = "internal"
+		device.string = "front:0"
+		device.buffering.buffer_size = "65536"
+		device.buffering.fragment_size = "65536"
+		device.access_mode = "mmap+timer"
+		device.profile.name = "analog-stereo"
+		device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo"
+		device.description = "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"
+		alsa.mixer_name = "Analog Devices AD1981B"
+		alsa.components = "AC97a:41445374"
+		module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+	ports:
+		analog-output-mono;output-amplifier-on: Analog Mono Output / Amplifier (priority 5010, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-output-mono;output-amplifier-off: Analog Mono Output / No Amplifier (priority 5000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-output-lfe-on-mono;output-amplifier-on: LFE on Separate Mono Output / Amplifier (priority 4010, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-output-lfe-on-mono;output-amplifier-off: LFE on Separate Mono Output / No Amplifier (priority 4000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+	active port: <analog-output-mono;output-amplifier-on>
+2 source(s) available.
+    index: 0
+	name: <alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo.monitor>
+	driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
+	flags: DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 1950
+	volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+	        0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume: 100%
+	             0.00 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max rewind: 0 KiB
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             Stereo
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 341.33 ms
+	monitor_of: 0
+	card: 0 <alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5>
+	module: 4
+	properties:
+		device.description = "Monitor of Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"
+		device.class = "monitor"
+		alsa.card = "0"
+		alsa.card_name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.long_card_name = "Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at irq 5"
+		alsa.driver_name = "snd_intel8x0"
+		device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1f.5"
+		sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/sound/card0"
+		device.bus = "pci"
+		device.vendor.id = "8086"
+		device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+		device.product.name = "82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller"
+		device.form_factor = "internal"
+		device.string = "0"
+		module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+  * index: 1
+	name: <alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo>
+	driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
+	flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 9959
+	volume: 0:  42% 1:  42%
+	        0: -22.50 dB 1: -22.50 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume:  42%
+	             -22.50 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max rewind: 0 KiB
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             Stereo
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 371.52 ms
+	card: 0 <alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5>
+	module: 4
+	properties:
+		alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
+		device.api = "alsa"
+		device.class = "sound"
+		alsa.class = "generic"
+		alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
+		alsa.name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.id = "Intel ICH"
+		alsa.subdevice = "0"
+		alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
+		alsa.device = "0"
+		alsa.card = "0"
+		alsa.card_name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.long_card_name = "Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at irq 5"
+		alsa.driver_name = "snd_intel8x0"
+		device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1f.5"
+		sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/sound/card0"
+		device.bus = "pci"
+		device.vendor.id = "8086"
+		device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+		device.product.name = "82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller"
+		device.form_factor = "internal"
+		device.string = "front:0"
+		device.buffering.buffer_size = "65536"
+		device.buffering.fragment_size = "65536"
+		device.access_mode = "mmap+timer"
+		device.profile.name = "analog-stereo"
+		device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo"
+		device.description = "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"
+		alsa.mixer_name = "Analog Devices AD1981B"
+		alsa.components = "AC97a:41445374"
+		module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+	ports:
+		analog-input-microphone;input-microphone-1: Microphone / Microphone 1 (priority 8720, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-microphone;input-microphone-2: Microphone / Microphone 2 (priority 8719, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-linein: Line In (priority 8100, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input: Analog Input (priority 8000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-video: Video (priority 7000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+	active port: <analog-input-microphone;input-microphone-1>
+7 client(s) logged in.
+    index: 0
+	driver: <module-console-kit.c>
+	owner module: 13
+	properties:
+		application.name = "ConsoleKit Session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1"
+		console-kit.session = "/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1"
+    index: 1
+	driver: <module-console-kit.c>
+	owner module: 13
+	properties:
+		application.name = "ConsoleKit Session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session8"
+		console-kit.session = "/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session8"
+    index: 5
+	driver: <module-x11-xsmp.c>
+	owner module: 22
+	properties:
+		application.name = "XSMP Session on KDE as 10c9783237000133623009800000014190006"
+		xsmp.vendor = "KDE"
+		xsmp.client.id = "10c9783237000133623009800000014190006"
+    index: 8
+	driver: <protocol-native.c>
+	owner module: 7
+	properties:
+		application.name = "KMix KDE 4"
+		native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client"
+		native-protocol.version = "26"
+		application.process.id = "1516"
+		application.process.user = "root"
+		application.process.host = "gx27b"
+		application.process.binary = "kdeinit4"
+		application.language = "en_US.UTF-8"
+		window.x11.display = ":0"
+		application.process.machine_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468"
+		application.process.session_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468-1336230038.215144-259723781"
+    index: 9
+	driver: <protocol-native.c>
+	owner module: 7
+	properties:
+		application.name = "KMix KDE 4"
+		native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client"
+		native-protocol.version = "26"
+		application.process.id = "1377"
+		application.process.user = "root"
+		application.process.host = "gx27b"
+		application.process.binary = "kdeinit4"
+		application.language = "en_US.UTF-8"
+		window.x11.display = ":0"
+		application.process.machine_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468"
+		application.process.session_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468-1336230038.215144-259723781"
+    index: 10
+	driver: <protocol-native.c>
+	owner module: 7
+	properties:
+		application.name = "libcanberra"
+		native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client"
+		native-protocol.version = "26"
+		application.version = "0.28"
+		application.id = "org.freedesktop.libcanberra"
+		application.process.id = "1480"
+		application.process.user = "root"
+		application.process.host = "gx27b"
+		application.process.binary = "knotify4"
+		application.language = "en_US.UTF-8"
+		window.x11.display = ":0"
+		application.process.machine_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468"
+		application.process.session_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468-1336230038.215144-259723781"
+    index: 11
+	driver: <cli.c>
+	owner module: 23
+	properties:
+		application.name = "UNIX socket client"
+1 card(s) available.
+    index: 0
+	name: <alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5>
+	driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
+	owner module: 4
+	properties:
+		alsa.card = "0"
+		alsa.card_name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.long_card_name = "Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at irq 5"
+		alsa.driver_name = "snd_intel8x0"
+		device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1f.5"
+		sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/sound/card0"
+		device.bus = "pci"
+		device.vendor.id = "8086"
+		device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+		device.product.name = "82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller"
+		device.form_factor = "internal"
+		device.string = "0"
+		device.description = "Built-in Audio"
+		module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+	profiles:
+		output:analog-stereo: Analog Stereo Output (priority 6000)
+		output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo: Analog Stereo Duplex (priority 6060)
+		input:analog-stereo: Analog Stereo Input (priority 60)
+		off: Off (priority 0)
+	active profile: <output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo>
+	sinks:
+		alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo/#0: Built-in Audio Analog Stereo
+	sources:
+		alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo.monitor/#0: Monitor of Built-in Audio Analog Stereo
+		alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo/#1: Built-in Audio Analog Stereo
+	ports:
+		analog-output-mono;output-amplifier-on: Analog Mono Output / Amplifier (priority 5010, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-output-mono;output-amplifier-off: Analog Mono Output / No Amplifier (priority 5000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-output-lfe-on-mono;output-amplifier-on: LFE on Separate Mono Output / Amplifier (priority 4010, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-output-lfe-on-mono;output-amplifier-off: LFE on Separate Mono Output / No Amplifier (priority 4000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-microphone;input-microphone-1: Microphone / Microphone 1 (priority 8720, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-microphone;input-microphone-2: Microphone / Microphone 2 (priority 8719, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-linein: Line In (priority 8100, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input: Analog Input (priority 8000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-video: Video (priority 7000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+0 sink input(s) available.
+0 source outputs(s) available.
+0 cache entrie(s) available.
+>>> 
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+Welcome to PulseAudio! Use "help" for usage information.
+>>> Memory blocks currently allocated: 1, size: 64.0 KiB.
+Memory blocks allocated during the whole lifetime: 449, size: 12.1 MiB.
+Memory blocks imported from other processes: 0, size: 0 B.
+Memory blocks exported to other processes: 0, size: 0 B.
+Total sample cache size: 0 B.
+Default sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+Default channel map: front-left,front-right
+Default sink name: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo
+Default source name: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo
+Memory blocks of type POOL: 1 allocated/1 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type POOL_EXTERNAL: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type APPENDED: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type USER: 0 allocated/0 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type FIXED: 0 allocated/395 accumulated.
+Memory blocks of type IMPORTED: 0 allocated/53 accumulated.
+24 module(s) loaded.
+    index: 0
+	name: <module-device-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the volume/mute state of devices"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 1
+	name: <module-stream-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the volume/mute/device state of streams"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 2
+	name: <module-card-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore profile of cards"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 3
+	name: <module-augment-properties>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Augment the property sets of streams with additional static information"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 4
+	name: <module-alsa-card>
+	argument: <device_id="0" name="pci-0000_00_1f.5" card_name="alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5" namereg_fail=false tsched=yes fixed_latency_range=no ignore_dB=no deferred_volume=yes card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1">
+	used: 0
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "ALSA Card"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 5
+	name: <module-udev-detect>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Detect available audio hardware and load matching drivers"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 6
+	name: <module-esound-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "ESOUND protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 7
+	name: <module-native-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Native protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 8
+	name: <module-default-device-restore>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically restore the default sink and source"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 9
+	name: <module-rescue-streams>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "When a sink/source is removed, try to move their streams to the default sink/source"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 10
+	name: <module-always-sink>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Always keeps at least one sink loaded even if it's a null one"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 11
+	name: <module-intended-roles>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Automatically set device of streams based of intended roles of devices"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 12
+	name: <module-suspend-on-idle>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "When a sink/source is idle for too long, suspend it"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 13
+	name: <module-console-kit>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Create a client for each ConsoleKit session of this user"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 14
+	name: <module-position-event-sounds>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Position event sounds between L and R depending on the position on screen of the widget triggering them."
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 15
+	name: <module-role-cork>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Mute & cork streams with certain roles while others exist"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 16
+	name: <module-filter-heuristics>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Detect when various filters are desirable"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 17
+	name: <module-filter-apply>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Load filter sinks automatically when needed"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 18
+	name: <module-dbus-protocol>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Tanu Kaskinen"
+		module.description = "D-Bus interface"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 19
+	name: <module-switch-on-port-available>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		
+    index: 20
+	name: <module-x11-publish>
+	argument: <display=:0>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "X11 credential publisher"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 21
+	name: <module-device-manager>
+	argument: <do_routing=1>
+	used: -1
+	load once: yes
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Colin Guthrie"
+		module.description = "Keep track of devices (and their descriptions) both past and present and prioritise by role"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 22
+	name: <module-x11-xsmp>
+	argument: <display=:0 session_manager=local/gx27b:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/1419,unix/gx27b:/tmp/.ICE-unix/1419>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "X11 session management"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+    index: 23
+	name: <module-cli-protocol-unix>
+	argument: <>
+	used: -1
+	load once: no
+	properties:
+		module.author = "Lennart Poettering"
+		module.description = "Command line interface protocol (UNIX sockets)"
+		module.version = "1.99.2.0-1.mga2"
+1 sink(s) available.
+  * index: 0
+	name: <alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo>
+	driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
+	flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY FLAT_VOLUME DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 9959
+	volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+	        0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume:  63%
+	             -12.00 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max request: 0 KiB
+	max rewind: 0 KiB
+	monitor source: 0
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 48000Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             Stereo
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 341.33 ms
+	card: 0 <alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5>
+	module: 4
+	properties:
+		alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
+		device.api = "alsa"
+		device.class = "sound"
+		alsa.class = "generic"
+		alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
+		alsa.name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.id = "Intel ICH"
+		alsa.subdevice = "0"
+		alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
+		alsa.device = "0"
+		alsa.card = "0"
+		alsa.card_name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.long_card_name = "Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at irq 5"
+		alsa.driver_name = "snd_intel8x0"
+		device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1f.5"
+		sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/sound/card0"
+		device.bus = "pci"
+		device.vendor.id = "8086"
+		device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+		device.product.name = "82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller"
+		device.form_factor = "internal"
+		device.string = "front:0"
+		device.buffering.buffer_size = "65536"
+		device.buffering.fragment_size = "65536"
+		device.access_mode = "mmap+timer"
+		device.profile.name = "analog-stereo"
+		device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo"
+		device.description = "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"
+		alsa.mixer_name = "Analog Devices AD1981B"
+		alsa.components = "AC97a:41445374"
+		module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+	ports:
+		analog-output-mono;output-amplifier-on: Analog Mono Output / Amplifier (priority 5010, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-output-mono;output-amplifier-off: Analog Mono Output / No Amplifier (priority 5000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-output-lfe-on-mono;output-amplifier-on: LFE on Separate Mono Output / Amplifier (priority 4010, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-output-lfe-on-mono;output-amplifier-off: LFE on Separate Mono Output / No Amplifier (priority 4000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+	active port: <analog-output-mono;output-amplifier-on>
+2 source(s) available.
+    index: 0
+	name: <alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo.monitor>
+	driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
+	flags: DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 1950
+	volume: 0: 100% 1: 100%
+	        0: 0.00 dB 1: 0.00 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume: 100%
+	             0.00 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max rewind: 0 KiB
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             Stereo
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 341.33 ms
+	monitor_of: 0
+	card: 0 <alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5>
+	module: 4
+	properties:
+		device.description = "Monitor of Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"
+		device.class = "monitor"
+		alsa.card = "0"
+		alsa.card_name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.long_card_name = "Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at irq 5"
+		alsa.driver_name = "snd_intel8x0"
+		device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1f.5"
+		sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/sound/card0"
+		device.bus = "pci"
+		device.vendor.id = "8086"
+		device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+		device.product.name = "82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller"
+		device.form_factor = "internal"
+		device.string = "0"
+		module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+  * index: 1
+	name: <alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1f.5.analog-stereo>
+	driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
+	flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY
+	state: SUSPENDED
+	suspend cause: IDLE 
+	priority: 9959
+	volume: 0:  42% 1:  42%
+	        0: -22.50 dB 1: -22.50 dB
+	        balance 0.00
+	base volume:  42%
+	             -22.50 dB
+	volume steps: 65537
+	muted: no
+	current latency: 0.00 ms
+	max rewind: 0 KiB
+	sample spec: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
+	channel map: front-left,front-right
+	             Stereo
+	used by: 0
+	linked by: 0
+	configured latency: 0.00 ms; range is 0.50 .. 371.52 ms
+	card: 0 <alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5>
+	module: 4
+	properties:
+		alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
+		device.api = "alsa"
+		device.class = "sound"
+		alsa.class = "generic"
+		alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
+		alsa.name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.id = "Intel ICH"
+		alsa.subdevice = "0"
+		alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
+		alsa.device = "0"
+		alsa.card = "0"
+		alsa.card_name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.long_card_name = "Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at irq 5"
+		alsa.driver_name = "snd_intel8x0"
+		device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1f.5"
+		sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/sound/card0"
+		device.bus = "pci"
+		device.vendor.id = "8086"
+		device.vendor.name = "Intel Corporation"
+		device.product.name = "82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller"
+		device.form_factor = "internal"
+		device.string = "front:0"
+		device.buffering.buffer_size = "65536"
+		device.buffering.fragment_size = "65536"
+		device.access_mode = "mmap+timer"
+		device.profile.name = "analog-stereo"
+		device.profile.description = "Analog Stereo"
+		device.description = "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"
+		alsa.mixer_name = "Analog Devices AD1981B"
+		alsa.components = "AC97a:41445374"
+		module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
+		device.icon_name = "audio-card-pci"
+	ports:
+		analog-input-microphone;input-microphone-1: Microphone / Microphone 1 (priority 8720, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-microphone;input-microphone-2: Microphone / Microphone 2 (priority 8719, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-linein: Line In (priority 8100, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input: Analog Input (priority 8000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+		analog-input-video: Video (priority 7000, available: unknown)
+			properties:
+				
+	active port: <analog-input-microphone;input-microphone-1>
+7 client(s) logged in.
+    index: 0
+	driver: <module-console-kit.c>
+	owner module: 13
+	properties:
+		application.name = "ConsoleKit Session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1"
+		console-kit.session = "/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1"
+    index: 1
+	driver: <module-console-kit.c>
+	owner module: 13
+	properties:
+		application.name = "ConsoleKit Session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session8"
+		console-kit.session = "/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session8"
+    index: 5
+	driver: <module-x11-xsmp.c>
+	owner module: 22
+	properties:
+		application.name = "XSMP Session on KDE as 10c9783237000133623009800000014190006"
+		xsmp.vendor = "KDE"
+		xsmp.client.id = "10c9783237000133623009800000014190006"
+    index: 8
+	driver: <protocol-native.c>
+	owner module: 7
+	properties:
+		application.name = "KMix KDE 4"
+		native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client"
+		native-protocol.version = "26"
+		application.process.id = "1516"
+		application.process.user = "root"
+		application.process.host = "gx27b"
+		application.process.binary = "kdeinit4"
+		application.language = "en_US.UTF-8"
+		window.x11.display = ":0"
+		application.process.machine_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468"
+		application.process.session_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468-1336230038.215144-259723781"
+    index: 9
+	driver: <protocol-native.c>
+	owner module: 7
+	properties:
+		application.name = "KMix KDE 4"
+		native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client"
+		native-protocol.version = "26"
+		application.process.id = "1377"
+		application.process.user = "root"
+		application.process.host = "gx27b"
+		application.process.binary = "kdeinit4"
+		application.language = "en_US.UTF-8"
+		window.x11.display = ":0"
+		application.process.machine_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468"
+		application.process.session_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468-1336230038.215144-259723781"
+    index: 10
+	driver: <protocol-native.c>
+	owner module: 7
+	properties:
+		application.name = "libcanberra"
+		native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client"
+		native-protocol.version = "26"
+		application.version = "0.28"
+		application.id = "org.freedesktop.libcanberra"
+		application.process.id = "1480"
+		application.process.user = "root"
+		application.process.host = "gx27b"
+		application.process.binary = "knotify4"
+		application.language = "en_US.UTF-8"
+		window.x11.display = ":0"
+		application.process.machine_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468"
+		application.process.session_id = "0ec0725c36940b210ae79aaa00000468-1336230038.215144-259723781"
+    index: 11
+	driver: <cli.c>
+	owner module: 23
+	properties:
+		application.name = "UNIX socket client"
+1 card(s) available.
+    index: 0
+	name: <alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.5>
+	driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
+	owner module: 4
+	properties:
+		alsa.card = "0"
+		alsa.card_name = "Intel ICH5"
+		alsa.long_card_name = "Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at irq 5"
+		alsa.driver_name = "snd_intel8x0"
+		device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:1f.5"
+		sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.5/sound/card0"
+		device.bus = "pci"
+		device.vendor.id = "8086"
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/13 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The version of weboob in cauldron is the 0.9.1<br>
+Since, there are two updates<br>
+0.a<br>
+<a href="https://symlink.me/news/43" target="_blank">https://symlink.me/news/43</a><br>
+<br>
+and the latest 0.b<br>
+<a href="https://symlink.me/news/44" target="_blank">https://symlink.me/news/44</a><br>
+<br>
+I would like to ask to push the latest version 0.b, as there are many new features, crash fixes, and i think that in the new release Mageia 2 it is good to have the newest version. The version 0.a brings an important feature:<br>
+
+&quot;The main new feature is a repositories system, which is used to update modules without upgrading Weboob.&quot; which means that when a user have a problem with a module or a new module is added, he does nt have to wait the new version of weboob but he will have an update of the specific module from the repository system of the application.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>I realized that i did nt upload the tarball of the 0.b. I try with &#39;mgarepo sync&#39; but it does nt upload it (without any error). <br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/13 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The version of weboob in cauldron is the 0.9.1<br>
+Since, there are two updates<br>
+0.a<br>
+<a href="https://symlink.me/news/43" target="_blank">https://symlink.me/news/43</a><br>
+<br>
+and the latest 0.b<br>
+<a href="https://symlink.me/news/44" target="_blank">https://symlink.me/news/44</a><br>
+<br>
+I would like to ask to push the latest version 0.b, as there are many new features, crash fixes, and i think that in the new release Mageia 2 it is good to have the newest version. The version 0.a brings an important feature:<br>
+
+&quot;The main new feature is a repositories system, which is used to update modules without upgrading Weboob.&quot; which means that when a user have a problem with a module or a new module is added, he does nt have to wait the new version of weboob but he will have an update of the specific module from the repository system of the application.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>I realized that i did nt upload the tarball of the 0.b. I try with &#39;mgarepo sync&#39; but it does nt upload it (without any error). <br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+It already exists in updates_testing.<br><br>在 2012年5月6日星期日，Robert Fox &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; Gimp 2.8 stable has been released <a href="http://www.gimp.org/">http://www.gimp.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; It is a MAJOR improvement!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Would be nice to squeeze it in to Mageia 2 release . .<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Thx,<br>&gt; R.Fox<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
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+It already exists in updates_testing.<br><br>在 2012年5月6日星期日，Robert Fox &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; Gimp 2.8 stable has been released <a href="http://www.gimp.org/">http://www.gimp.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; It is a MAJOR improvement!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Would be nice to squeeze it in to Mageia 2 release . .<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Thx,<br>&gt; R.Fox<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/28 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+28.04.2012 16:55, Funda Wang skrev:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Could someboyd push blender 2.63 into cauldron? We currently have<br>
+&gt; 2.62, and 2.63 fixed a lot of bugs[1], please enhancement on BMesh<br>
+&gt; modelling system.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [1]: <a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/Release_Notes/2.63/Bug_Fixes" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/Release_Notes/2.63/Bug_Fixes</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Pushed.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hello,<br><br>I have just a question, what is the reason to compile Blender without the new engine render &quot;cycles&quot; ?<br>I tested the binary from the Blender site, and the cycles engine works fine, even though I haven&#39;t a video card &quot;CUDA compatible&quot;<br>
+
+<br>Regards,<br>Thibaut<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/28 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+28.04.2012 16:55, Funda Wang skrev:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Could someboyd push blender 2.63 into cauldron? We currently have<br>
+&gt; 2.62, and 2.63 fixed a lot of bugs[1], please enhancement on BMesh<br>
+&gt; modelling system.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [1]: <a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/Release_Notes/2.63/Bug_Fixes" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/Release_Notes/2.63/Bug_Fixes</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Pushed.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hello,<br><br>I have just a question, what is the reason to compile Blender without the new engine render &quot;cycles&quot; ?<br>I tested the binary from the Blender site, and the cycles engine works fine, even though I haven&#39;t a video card &quot;CUDA compatible&quot;<br>
+
+<br>Regards,<br>Thibaut<br>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Anne Nicolas</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/09/12 07:02 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] freeze push: sqlite 3.7.11</span></span></p> 
+	<div> 
+		<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+  - Current or newer revision(s) already exists in core/release for 
+cauldron: sqlite-2.8.17-16.mga2.src 
+
+please fix 
+
+-- 
+http://mageia.org 
+</pre> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">Excuse me, the package name is "sqlite3".</span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Anne Nicolas</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/09/12 07:02 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] freeze push: sqlite 3.7.11</span></span></p> 
+	<div> 
+		<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+  - Current or newer revision(s) already exists in core/release for 
+cauldron: sqlite-2.8.17-16.mga2.src 
+
+please fix 
+
+-- 
+http://mageia.org 
+</pre> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">Excuse me, the package name is "sqlite3".</span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hello!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Please push new sqlite 3.7.11, it is fixing a serious bug, and upgrading from 3.7.10 is recommended.<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">2012-March-20 - Version 3.7.11<br /> 
+<br /> 
+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SQLite version 3.7.11 is a regularly scheduled maintenance release which was rushed out early due to a bug in the query optimizer introduced in the previous release. The bug is obscure - it changes a LEFT JOIN into an INNER JOIN in some cases when there is a 3-way join and OR terms in the WHERE clause. But it was considered serious enough to rush out a fix. Apart from this one problem, SQLite version 3.7.10 has not given any trouble. Upgrading to version 3.7.11 from versions 3.7.6.3, 3.7.7, 3.7.7.1, 3.7.8, or 3.7.9 is optional. Upgrading from other releases, including the previous release 3.7.10, is recommended.</span></span></span><br /> 
+</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hello!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Please push new sqlite 3.7.11, it is fixing a serious bug, and upgrading from 3.7.10 is recommended.<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">2012-March-20 - Version 3.7.11<br /> 
+<br /> 
+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SQLite version 3.7.11 is a regularly scheduled maintenance release which was rushed out early due to a bug in the query optimizer introduced in the previous release. The bug is obscure - it changes a LEFT JOIN into an INNER JOIN in some cases when there is a 3-way join and OR terms in the WHERE clause. But it was considered serious enough to rush out a fix. Apart from this one problem, SQLite version 3.7.10 has not given any trouble. Upgrading to version 3.7.11 from versions 3.7.6.3, 3.7.7, 3.7.7.1, 3.7.8, or 3.7.9 is optional. Upgrading from other releases, including the previous release 3.7.10, is recommended.</span></span></span><br /> 
+</span></span>
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+<p>Could you please push kdebase4-runtime?<br>
+I fixed a missing br which break network detection after a suspend to ram when using network manager.<br>
+Regards</p>
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+<p>Could you please push kdebase4-runtime?<br>
+I fixed a missing br which break network detection after a suspend to ram when using network manager.<br>
+Regards</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 10 mai 2012 13:03, &quot;Donald Stewart&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; could someone push mageia-release please, the artwork contributors<br>
+&gt; have been updated.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks</p>
+<p>We will wait for other teams to commit changes </p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; Donald &#39;Schultz&#39; Stewart<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 10 mai 2012 13:03, &quot;Donald Stewart&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; could someone push mageia-release please, the artwork contributors<br>
+&gt; have been updated.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks</p>
+<p>We will wait for other teams to commit changes </p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; Donald &#39;Schultz&#39; Stewart<br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/11 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/5/11 Marek Laane &lt;<a href="mailto:bald@smail.ee">bald@smail.ee</a>&gt;:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Tried RC and found something what maybe shouldn&#39;t be there - KHelpcenter -<br>
+&gt; and not just being there but quite prominently in the menu also<br>
+&gt; (Documentation-&gt;Help only entry). As Live CD doesn&#39;t include help<br>
+&gt; documentation KHC is mostly unuseful, you only get that such and such module<br>
+&gt; isn&#39;t there. Sure, there is man and info pages but I rather doubt anyone is<br>
+&gt; interested to use KHC for reading man or info. And more weirdness - there<br>
+&gt; still is only peace KDE documentation you can read in KHC, namely<br>
+&gt; documentation for Kipi plugins. Maybe excluding also Kipi plugins&#39;<br>
+&gt; documentation helps to save precious space? And I&#39;d propose if not excluding<br>
+&gt; KHV, then at least to remove it from main menu as it leads to erroneous<br>
+&gt; impression there really is some helpful documentation ...<br>
+</div>This was done explicitly to fix a bug where this documentation entry<br>
+was not available.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>Though I fail to understand for what is this entry needed in Live CD where there is no documentation, another question remains: why is there only and only Kipi plugins documentation? Not that excluding it would win musc space but if there is&#39;nt documentation for e.g. Dolphin or whatever other main applications ...</div>
+<div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/11 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/5/11 Marek Laane &lt;<a href="mailto:bald@smail.ee">bald@smail.ee</a>&gt;:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Tried RC and found something what maybe shouldn&#39;t be there - KHelpcenter -<br>
+&gt; and not just being there but quite prominently in the menu also<br>
+&gt; (Documentation-&gt;Help only entry). As Live CD doesn&#39;t include help<br>
+&gt; documentation KHC is mostly unuseful, you only get that such and such module<br>
+&gt; isn&#39;t there. Sure, there is man and info pages but I rather doubt anyone is<br>
+&gt; interested to use KHC for reading man or info. And more weirdness - there<br>
+&gt; still is only peace KDE documentation you can read in KHC, namely<br>
+&gt; documentation for Kipi plugins. Maybe excluding also Kipi plugins&#39;<br>
+&gt; documentation helps to save precious space? And I&#39;d propose if not excluding<br>
+&gt; KHV, then at least to remove it from main menu as it leads to erroneous<br>
+&gt; impression there really is some helpful documentation ...<br>
+</div>This was done explicitly to fix a bug where this documentation entry<br>
+was not available.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>Though I fail to understand for what is this entry needed in Live CD where there is no documentation, another question remains: why is there only and only Kipi plugins documentation? Not that excluding it would win musc space but if there is&#39;nt documentation for e.g. Dolphin or whatever other main applications ...</div>
+<div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/29 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+So RC (and final) are getting closer, as usual the livecds are<br>
+problematic to get nice contents, while staying within the 700M limit<br>
+<br>
+Current RC build got me this:<br>
+<br>
+668M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+693M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+703M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+728M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+684M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+709M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+697M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+722M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+662M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+686M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+710M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+734M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+690M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+714M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+720M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+744M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+So atleast every cd with size &gt; 700M need to loose some stuff...<br>
+<br>
+So please help out with suggestions...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+You can check out current contents here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/" target="_blank">http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/</a><br>
+<br>
+Files are:<br>
+*.langs      - Supported languages on the CD<br>
+*.lst        - installed package list, sorted alphabetically<br>
+*.lst.full   - installed packages list, sorted by size<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now, remember that the livecds are squashfs compressed images,<br>
+so in order to drop ~20M on a cd, I need to drop ~30M-100M of<br>
+rpms depending on content...<br>
+<br>
+Also if you find something missing that relly _must_ be on the<br>
+cds (not just nice to have)... please comment on that too<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Tried RC and found something what maybe shouldn&#39;t be there - KHelpcenter - and not just being there but quite prominently in the menu also (Documentation-&gt;Help only entry). As Live CD doesn&#39;t include help documentation KHC is mostly unuseful, you only get that such and such module isn&#39;t there. Sure, there is man and info pages but I rather doubt anyone is interested to use KHC for reading man or info. And more weirdness - there still is only peace KDE documentation you can read in KHC, namely documentation for Kipi plugins. Maybe excluding also Kipi plugins&#39; documentation helps to save precious space? And I&#39;d propose if not excluding KHV, then at least to remove it from main menu as it leads to erroneous impression there really is some helpful documentation ...</div>
+<div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/29 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+So RC (and final) are getting closer, as usual the livecds are<br>
+problematic to get nice contents, while staying within the 700M limit<br>
+<br>
+Current RC build got me this:<br>
+<br>
+668M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+693M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+703M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+728M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+684M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+709M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+697M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+722M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+662M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-i586-CD.iso<br>
+686M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Africa-India-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+710M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-i586-CD.iso<br>
+734M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Asia-Noindia-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+690M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.iso<br>
+714M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe1-Americas-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+720M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-i586-CD.iso<br>
+744M    Mageia-2-rc-LiveCD-KDE4-Europe2-x86_64-CD.iso<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+So atleast every cd with size &gt; 700M need to loose some stuff...<br>
+<br>
+So please help out with suggestions...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+You can check out current contents here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/" target="_blank">http://tmb.mine.nu/Mageia/2/Mageia-2-rc-LiveCDs/</a><br>
+<br>
+Files are:<br>
+*.langs      - Supported languages on the CD<br>
+*.lst        - installed package list, sorted alphabetically<br>
+*.lst.full   - installed packages list, sorted by size<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Now, remember that the livecds are squashfs compressed images,<br>
+so in order to drop ~20M on a cd, I need to drop ~30M-100M of<br>
+rpms depending on content...<br>
+<br>
+Also if you find something missing that relly _must_ be on the<br>
+cds (not just nice to have)... please comment on that too<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Tried RC and found something what maybe shouldn&#39;t be there - KHelpcenter - and not just being there but quite prominently in the menu also (Documentation-&gt;Help only entry). As Live CD doesn&#39;t include help documentation KHC is mostly unuseful, you only get that such and such module isn&#39;t there. Sure, there is man and info pages but I rather doubt anyone is interested to use KHC for reading man or info. And more weirdness - there still is only peace KDE documentation you can read in KHC, namely documentation for Kipi plugins. Maybe excluding also Kipi plugins&#39; documentation helps to save precious space? And I&#39;d propose if not excluding KHV, then at least to remove it from main menu as it leads to erroneous impression there really is some helpful documentation ...</div>
+<div><br></div>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: David Walser</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/12/12 10:54 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Help!: Final fixes needed to close #5262</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Colin Guthrie wrote: 
+&gt; Hi, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; I've finished off most of the LSB issues today on the train, but sadly 
+&gt; no internet until now (and even now it's on a limited connection). 
+&gt; 
+&gt; There are still four problematic packages: 
+&gt; 
+&gt; ipvsadm: fails to build 
+&gt; http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120511234232.colin.valstar.15403/ 
+
+I don't know how any distro managed to build 1.26, it looks completely and hopelessly broken. 
+
+It will probably build if reverted to 1.24 (the last version that actually built in Mageia).</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">I think it needs right linking against kernel.</span></span> http://kb.linuxvirtualserver.org/wiki/Compiling_ipvsadm_on_different_Linux_distributions</span></span>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120512/0b5a693a/attachment-0002.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120512/0b5a693a/attachment-0002.html
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: David Walser</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/12/12 10:54 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Help!: Final fixes needed to close #5262</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Colin Guthrie wrote: 
+&gt; Hi, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; I've finished off most of the LSB issues today on the train, but sadly 
+&gt; no internet until now (and even now it's on a limited connection). 
+&gt; 
+&gt; There are still four problematic packages: 
+&gt; 
+&gt; ipvsadm: fails to build 
+&gt; http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120511234232.colin.valstar.15403/ 
+
+I don't know how any distro managed to build 1.26, it looks completely and hopelessly broken. 
+
+It will probably build if reverted to 1.24 (the last version that actually built in Mageia).</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">I think it needs right linking against kernel.</span></span> http://kb.linuxvirtualserver.org/wiki/Compiling_ipvsadm_on_different_Linux_distributions</span></span>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120512/0b5a693a/attachment-0003.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120512/0b5a693a/attachment-0003.html
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: David Walser</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/12/12 10:54 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Help!: Final fixes needed to close #5262</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Colin Guthrie wrote: 
+&gt; Hi, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; I've finished off most of the LSB issues today on the train, but sadly 
+&gt; no internet until now (and even now it's on a limited connection). 
+&gt; 
+&gt; There are still four problematic packages: 
+&gt; 
+&gt; ipvsadm: fails to build 
+&gt; http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120511234232.colin.valstar.15403/ 
+
+I don't know how any distro managed to build 1.26, it looks completely and hopelessly broken. 
+
+It will probably build if reverted to 1.24 (the last version that actually built in Mageia).</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">I think it needs right linking against kernel.</span></span> http://kb.linuxvirtualserver.org/wiki/Compiling_ipvsadm_on_different_Linux_distributions</span></span>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120512/0b5a693a/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120512/0b5a693a/attachment.html
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: David Walser</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 05/12/12 10:54 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Help!: Final fixes needed to close #5262</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Colin Guthrie wrote: 
+&gt; Hi, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; I've finished off most of the LSB issues today on the train, but sadly 
+&gt; no internet until now (and even now it's on a limited connection). 
+&gt; 
+&gt; There are still four problematic packages: 
+&gt; 
+&gt; ipvsadm: fails to build 
+&gt; http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120511234232.colin.valstar.15403/ 
+
+I don't know how any distro managed to build 1.26, it looks completely and hopelessly broken. 
+
+It will probably build if reverted to 1.24 (the last version that actually built in Mageia).</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	&nbsp;</p> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">I think it needs right linking against kernel.</span></span> http://kb.linuxvirtualserver.org/wiki/Compiling_ipvsadm_on_different_Linux_distributions</span></span>
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+<p><br>
+On May 16, 2012 7:59 PM, &quot;Manuel Hiebel&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel@hiebel.eu">manuel@hiebel.eu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 16/05/2012 16:30, Oliver Burger a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Changed customization patch so a volume control plugin is in the panel.<br>
+&gt;&gt; See bug #5935<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Oliver<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; would be great for the dvd/dual</p>
+<p>This should be an update. This does not break install (and is a very small package...)<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+On May 16, 2012 7:59 PM, &quot;Manuel Hiebel&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel@hiebel.eu">manuel@hiebel.eu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 16/05/2012 16:30, Oliver Burger a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Changed customization patch so a volume control plugin is in the panel.<br>
+&gt;&gt; See bug #5935<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Oliver<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; would be great for the dvd/dual</p>
+<p>This should be an update. This does not break install (and is a very small package...)<br>
+</p>
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+<p>No objection here ;)</p>
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+<p>No objection here ;)</p>
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+#!/usr/bin/perl -w
+
+# This script takes a root SRPMS directory as argument, and print the
+# list of package names on stdout
+
+use strict;
+use URPM;
+
+my $srpmsdir = $ARGV[0] or exit 1;
+
+my $urpm = URPM->new;
+
+foreach (glob("$srpmsdir/*/*/media_info/synthesis.hdlist.cz")) {
+    $urpm->parse_synthesis($_);
+}
+
+my %res;
+$urpm->traverse(sub { $res{$_[0]->name} = 1 });
+
+print join("\n", sort(keys %res), '')
\ No newline at end of file
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+#!/usr/bin/perl -w
+
+# This script takes a root SRPMS directory as argument, and print the
+# list of package names on stdout
+
+use strict;
+use URPM;
+
+my $srpmsdir = $ARGV[0] or exit 1;
+
+my $urpm = URPM->new;
+
+foreach (glob("$srpmsdir/*/*/media_info/synthesis.hdlist.cz")) {
+    $urpm->parse_synthesis($_);
+}
+
+my %res;
+$urpm->traverse(sub { $res{$_[0]->name} = 1 });
+
+print join("\n", sort(keys %res), '')
\ No newline at end of file
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+<p><br>
+Le 26 mai 2012 13:22, &quot;Claire Robinson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 26/05/12 11:20, Marja van Waes wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi everyone,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We have very many Cauldron bugs that aren&#39;t listed as package requests.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&amp;field0-0-0=component&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;bug_status=VERIFIED&amp;version=Cauldron&amp;type0-0-0=matches&amp;component=Installer&amp;component=RPM%20Packages&amp;component=Release%20%28media%20or%20process%29&amp;component=Security&amp;product=Mageia">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&amp;field0-0-0=component&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;bug_status=VERIFIED&amp;version=Cauldron&amp;type0-0-0=matches&amp;component=Installer&amp;component=RPM%20Packages&amp;component=Release%20%28media%20or%20process%29&amp;component=Security&amp;product=Mageia</a><br>
+
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I plan to do a mass ping today, because we need to find out whether they<br>
+&gt;&gt; are still valid for Mageia 2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt;&gt; Marja<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My inbox just went crazy :\<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Claire</p>
+<p>Mine too :)<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 26 mai 2012 13:22, &quot;Claire Robinson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 26/05/12 11:20, Marja van Waes wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi everyone,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We have very many Cauldron bugs that aren&#39;t listed as package requests.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&amp;field0-0-0=component&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;bug_status=VERIFIED&amp;version=Cauldron&amp;type0-0-0=matches&amp;component=Installer&amp;component=RPM%20Packages&amp;component=Release%20%28media%20or%20process%29&amp;component=Security&amp;product=Mageia">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&amp;field0-0-0=component&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;bug_status=VERIFIED&amp;version=Cauldron&amp;type0-0-0=matches&amp;component=Installer&amp;component=RPM%20Packages&amp;component=Release%20%28media%20or%20process%29&amp;component=Security&amp;product=Mageia</a><br>
+
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I plan to do a mass ping today, because we need to find out whether they<br>
+&gt;&gt; are still valid for Mageia 2<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt;&gt; Marja<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My inbox just went crazy :\<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Claire</p>
+<p>Mine too :)<br>
+</p>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 26 mai 2012 12:22:09 Claire Robinson a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 26/05/12 11:20, Marja van Waes wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Hi everyone,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We have very many Cauldron bugs that aren't listed as package requests.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&amp;field0-0-0=component&amp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; query_format=advanced&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&amp;bug_status=ASS</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; IGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;bug_status=VERIFIED&amp;version=Cauldron&amp;type0-0-0=m</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; atches&amp;component=Installer&amp;component=RPM%20Packages&amp;component=Release%20%2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; 8media%20or%20process%29&amp;component=Security&amp;product=Mageia</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I plan to do a mass ping today, because we need to find out whether they</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; are still valid for Mageia 2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Cheers,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Marja</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; My inbox just went crazy :\</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Claire</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+1 :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Apparently the automatic filtering if kmail don't like these too much :p</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sometimes I must redo a manual filtering for the forgotten ones in the inbox dir :)</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 26 mai 2012 12:22:09 Claire Robinson a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 26/05/12 11:20, Marja van Waes wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Hi everyone,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We have very many Cauldron bugs that aren't listed as package requests.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?order=Importance&amp;field0-0-0=component&amp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; query_format=advanced&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&amp;bug_status=ASS</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; IGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED&amp;bug_status=VERIFIED&amp;version=Cauldron&amp;type0-0-0=m</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; atches&amp;component=Installer&amp;component=RPM%20Packages&amp;component=Release%20%2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; 8media%20or%20process%29&amp;component=Security&amp;product=Mageia</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I plan to do a mass ping today, because we need to find out whether they</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; are still valid for Mageia 2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Cheers,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Marja</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; My inbox just went crazy :\</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Claire</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">+1 :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Apparently the automatic filtering if kmail don't like these too much :p</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sometimes I must redo a manual filtering for the forgotten ones in the inbox dir :)</p></body></html>
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+Le 27 mai 2012 23:05, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The contest of who will make Cauldron not booting the first is open \o/<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Opaaaaaaa \o/</p>
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+Le 27 mai 2012 23:05, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The contest of who will make Cauldron not booting the first is open \o/<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Opaaaaaaa \o/</p>
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+<p>Le 27 mai 2012 04:33, &quot;Franklin Weng&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+[...]</p>
+<p>&gt;   Now my question is that, will the KDE update policy in<br>
+&gt; backports be still the same as before?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I remember that when discussing if Mageia 1 would have KDE 4.7 in<br>
+&gt; backports, the answer was no because that kdepim was too unstable.</p>
+<p>It was part of the problem &amp; used to show that it was not that easy to do it.</p>
+<p>[...]</p>
+<p>&gt; For Mageia 2, again I&#39;d like to ask, if we will have KDE 4.9 in<br>
+&gt; backports after it releases in August?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (Yes, I know that I can upgrade my KDE using cauldron.  But no, I<br>
+&gt; don&#39;t consider to upgrade my box with cauldron... it is far too<br>
+&gt; unstable than any version of kdepim.)</p>
+<p>So here we&#39;ve got some problems:<br>
+- Backports are not functional.<br>
+- Kde is still too big for a backport especially regarding our current (draft) backport policy where it should be validated by our QA. Not to mention that we&#39;ll have to update/backport somes dependencies to allow this.<br>
+
+- I personally won&#39;t push it to backport.</p>
+<p>Regards,<br>
+</p>
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+<p>Le 27 mai 2012 04:33, &quot;Franklin Weng&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+[...]</p>
+<p>&gt;   Now my question is that, will the KDE update policy in<br>
+&gt; backports be still the same as before?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I remember that when discussing if Mageia 1 would have KDE 4.7 in<br>
+&gt; backports, the answer was no because that kdepim was too unstable.</p>
+<p>It was part of the problem &amp; used to show that it was not that easy to do it.</p>
+<p>[...]</p>
+<p>&gt; For Mageia 2, again I&#39;d like to ask, if we will have KDE 4.9 in<br>
+&gt; backports after it releases in August?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (Yes, I know that I can upgrade my KDE using cauldron.  But no, I<br>
+&gt; don&#39;t consider to upgrade my box with cauldron... it is far too<br>
+&gt; unstable than any version of kdepim.)</p>
+<p>So here we&#39;ve got some problems:<br>
+- Backports are not functional.<br>
+- Kde is still too big for a backport especially regarding our current (draft) backport policy where it should be validated by our QA. Not to mention that we&#39;ll have to update/backport somes dependencies to allow this.<br>
+
+- I personally won&#39;t push it to backport.</p>
+<p>Regards,<br>
+</p>
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+<p>Le 27 mai 2012 23:09, &quot;Sander Lepik&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 28.05.2012 00:05, nicolas vigier kirjutas:<br>
+&gt; &gt; The contest of who will make Cauldron not booting the first is open \o/<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; Tip to contenders: migrating to grub2 should get you there quite fast =P<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Sander<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Update to perl-5.16 \o/</p>
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+<p>Le 27 mai 2012 23:09, &quot;Sander Lepik&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 28.05.2012 00:05, nicolas vigier kirjutas:<br>
+&gt; &gt; The contest of who will make Cauldron not booting the first is open \o/<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; Tip to contenders: migrating to grub2 should get you there quite fast =P<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Sander<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Update to perl-5.16 \o/</p>
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+<p><a href="http://m.zdnet.co.uk/;comments/blogs/jamies-mostly-linux-stuff-10006480/scorecard-linux-mint-13-and-mageia-2-10026275/">http://m.zdnet.co.uk/;comments/blogs/jamies-mostly-linux-stuff-10006480/scorecard-linux-mint-13-and-mageia-2-10026275/</a></p>
+
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+
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 27 mai 2012 23:46:38 Angelo Naselli a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hash: SHA1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Il 27/05/2012 10:44, Dimitrios Glentadakis ha scritto:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; In comparison with kmail1 it is very much faster, and even when</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; deleting multiple mails .</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; When you're able to delete them...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On my dimap account today it does not want to remove any messages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; either spam ones.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Korganize does not want to show and alert my events and either the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google one.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; addresbook is probably not the last one i have because i can see</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; entries i had removed since they have old mail addresses. Filters work</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; now and then. Mail are downloaded even if kmail is closed.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Choosing a different identity for an account does not work without</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; trick (but that seems to be fixed now, i commented an upstream bug).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I'm not sure that is my 11 years mail client, maybe it's another one</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; that pretend to ;)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Same here with a fresh install (the only thing I didn't checked with the beta 3 and the rc)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- filtering is so so (sometimes mail still in the inbox folder and I must redo an apply all filters, sometimes kmail show to me a number of new maisl in the inbox folder and when i click to see hop it is magic nothing more ... end of the process for filtering ?)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- mails are received and treated even if kontact is closed (no more process visible in ksysguard)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- often notifications for ' a problem in the local directory' but apparently not a real problem</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">To be shorter i am not very convinced about our kdepim/kontact/kmail/... and it is the first time since I use it (since kde 1.5 on a mandrake 5.1 so i am a little bit used with it ;)) </p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 27 mai 2012 23:46:38 Angelo Naselli a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hash: SHA1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Il 27/05/2012 10:44, Dimitrios Glentadakis ha scritto:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; In comparison with kmail1 it is very much faster, and even when</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; deleting multiple mails .</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; When you're able to delete them...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On my dimap account today it does not want to remove any messages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; either spam ones.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Korganize does not want to show and alert my events and either the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google one.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; addresbook is probably not the last one i have because i can see</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; entries i had removed since they have old mail addresses. Filters work</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; now and then. Mail are downloaded even if kmail is closed.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Choosing a different identity for an account does not work without</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; trick (but that seems to be fixed now, i commented an upstream bug).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I'm not sure that is my 11 years mail client, maybe it's another one</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; that pretend to ;)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Same here with a fresh install (the only thing I didn't checked with the beta 3 and the rc)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- filtering is so so (sometimes mail still in the inbox folder and I must redo an apply all filters, sometimes kmail show to me a number of new maisl in the inbox folder and when i click to see hop it is magic nothing more ... end of the process for filtering ?)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- mails are received and treated even if kontact is closed (no more process visible in ksysguard)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- often notifications for ' a problem in the local directory' but apparently not a real problem</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">To be shorter i am not very convinced about our kdepim/kontact/kmail/... and it is the first time since I use it (since kde 1.5 on a mandrake 5.1 so i am a little bit used with it ;)) </p></body></html>
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+@@ -108,7 +108,7 @@
+     my ($o_in) = @_;
+     #- read old rules file if config is not moved to rules.drakx yet
+     my @rules = get_config_file(-f "$::prefix${shorewall_root}/rules.drakx" ? 'rules.drakx' : 'rules');
+-    my %conf = (disabled => !glob_("$::prefix/etc/rc3.d/S*shorewall"),
++    my %conf = (disabled => !glob_("$::prefix/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/shorewall*"),
+                 ports => join(' ', map {
+                     my $e = $_;
+                     map { "$_/$e->[3]" } split(',', $e->[4]);
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+     my ($o_in) = @_;
+     #- read old rules file if config is not moved to rules.drakx yet
+     my @rules = get_config_file(-f "$::prefix${shorewall_root}/rules.drakx" ? 'rules.drakx' : 'rules');
+-    my %conf = (disabled => !glob_("$::prefix/etc/rc3.d/S*shorewall"),
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+<p><br>
+Le 30 mai 2012 18:42, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 30 May 2012 17:25, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; dropped the --sign from rpmbuild<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Use rpmsign<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Why is &quot;--sign&quot; no longer supported?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://lists.rpm.org/pipermail/rpm-announce/2011-March/000027.html">http://lists.rpm.org/pipermail/rpm-announce/2011-March/000027.html</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;* New command line utilities for spec queries (with much<br>
+&gt;   enhanced functionality), package signing, keyring operations<br>
+&gt;   and database maintenance&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.9.0">http://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.9.0</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;New command-line utilities<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  - The keyring related operations of importing public keys and<br>
+&gt;    verifying package signatures have been split into a new &quot;rpmkeys&quot;<br>
+&gt;    cli utility<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  - Package signing and signature deletion operations have been split<br>
+&gt;    into a new &quot;rpmsign&quot; cli utility (related to RhBug:624585) &quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (...)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Removed features<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  - Support for --sign during rpmbuild has been removed. Signing must<br>
+&gt;    be done as a separate step using the new &quot;rpmsign&quot; command.</p>
+<p>It is still present in rpmbuilt --help, may be is forgotten to be removed</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 30 mai 2012 18:42, &quot;Thierry Vignaud&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 30 May 2012 17:25, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; dropped the --sign from rpmbuild<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Use rpmsign<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Why is &quot;--sign&quot; no longer supported?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://lists.rpm.org/pipermail/rpm-announce/2011-March/000027.html">http://lists.rpm.org/pipermail/rpm-announce/2011-March/000027.html</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;* New command line utilities for spec queries (with much<br>
+&gt;   enhanced functionality), package signing, keyring operations<br>
+&gt;   and database maintenance&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.9.0">http://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.9.0</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;New command-line utilities<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  - The keyring related operations of importing public keys and<br>
+&gt;    verifying package signatures have been split into a new &quot;rpmkeys&quot;<br>
+&gt;    cli utility<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  - Package signing and signature deletion operations have been split<br>
+&gt;    into a new &quot;rpmsign&quot; cli utility (related to RhBug:624585) &quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (...)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Removed features<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  - Support for --sign during rpmbuild has been removed. Signing must<br>
+&gt;    be done as a separate step using the new &quot;rpmsign&quot; command.</p>
+<p>It is still present in rpmbuilt --help, may be is forgotten to be removed</p>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>I can see two objectives here.</div><div>First objective is to have a high installation success rate.</div><div>And second objective is to have happy users from both camps; the GNU-purists-camp and the don&#39;t-care-camp.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think the GNU-purists-camp is a minority here, but I could be wrong, I never counted them. For them I would make a pure installation DVDs of all editions, like Desktop, Server, Live, etc. I bet all purists are expert Linux users and they know enough about their hardware and if there are GNU drivers for it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>On the other hand, the don&#39;t-care-camp needs stuff that works. They don&#39;t care where it comes from, and they never read the messages. They just click through. For them I would make a mixed DVD with pre-selected components that have higher success rate. For example, if we know that non-free radeon drivers install better than the free ones, don&#39;t ask the user at all just go ahead and install the non-free version.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>This way, we are making the users choose early way before they start installing.</div><div><br></div><div>I would also call those editions like this:</div><div><br></div><div>  1g)  Mageia 3 Server (G) Installation DVD i686 - Includes GNU drivers</div>
+<div><br></div><div><div>  1v)  Mageia 3 Server (V) Installation DVD i686 - Includes Vendor drivers</div></div><div><br></div><div>We would also say &quot;If you don&#39;t know which to choose, go for Vendor editions&quot;</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think providing free and non-free installation media will increase Mageia&#39;s quality and reputation. But, everything must be in a single DVD because there are laptops, servers, and desktops with Broadcom PHY&#39;s and they can&#39;t get supplemental DVD&#39;s or packages without a working network card or wifi.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Putting them all together in a single non-free DVD will increase the installation success rate for sure.</div><div><br></div><div>And at last let me introduce my self.</div><div>My name is Agron Selimaj. I am an experienced Linux user and programmer. I have 11 years of Linux experience and I am a Mandriva Powerpack user since 2006 or 2007. I am a professional C++ programmer for Windows, Linux embedded and Linux Desktops at my day job.</div>
+<div>I like the spirit of Mageia creators and I would like to join you. At the moment, I am an apprentice candidate waiting for a mentor to guide me through package creation process, bug fixing, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>
+//Agron</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it" target="_blank">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">mercoledì 30 maggio 2012 alle 16:38, Johnny A. Solbu ha scritto:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On Wednesday 30 May 2012 16:20, Angelo Naselli wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; If you really mean that you should also remove non-free repositories etc...<br>
+&gt; &gt; I don&#39;t think being a don Quijote is that good... always imho of course.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; They do exactly that. They do not have any non-free repo. They have a policy that do not allow any non-free software (programs, drivers, firmware etc.) in their distributions, and they don&#39;t have any exceptions.<br>
+
+&gt; Some might find this silly and stupid. But they live by the rule that every software should be Free. If it is not, they will not use it because they can&#39;t do what they want with it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My point is just that there really do exist several distributions that do not allow any non-free software in their repositories. if they don&#39;t have any non-free software there is no point in having an empty non-free repo. The way Thierry listed the two categories he seemed to suggest that there where no such distributions.<br>
+
+<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s sounds different of course, i thought you referred to us ;)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>I can see two objectives here.</div><div>First objective is to have a high installation success rate.</div><div>And second objective is to have happy users from both camps; the GNU-purists-camp and the don&#39;t-care-camp.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think the GNU-purists-camp is a minority here, but I could be wrong, I never counted them. For them I would make a pure installation DVDs of all editions, like Desktop, Server, Live, etc. I bet all purists are expert Linux users and they know enough about their hardware and if there are GNU drivers for it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>On the other hand, the don&#39;t-care-camp needs stuff that works. They don&#39;t care where it comes from, and they never read the messages. They just click through. For them I would make a mixed DVD with pre-selected components that have higher success rate. For example, if we know that non-free radeon drivers install better than the free ones, don&#39;t ask the user at all just go ahead and install the non-free version.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>This way, we are making the users choose early way before they start installing.</div><div><br></div><div>I would also call those editions like this:</div><div><br></div><div>  1g)  Mageia 3 Server (G) Installation DVD i686 - Includes GNU drivers</div>
+<div><br></div><div><div>  1v)  Mageia 3 Server (V) Installation DVD i686 - Includes Vendor drivers</div></div><div><br></div><div>We would also say &quot;If you don&#39;t know which to choose, go for Vendor editions&quot;</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think providing free and non-free installation media will increase Mageia&#39;s quality and reputation. But, everything must be in a single DVD because there are laptops, servers, and desktops with Broadcom PHY&#39;s and they can&#39;t get supplemental DVD&#39;s or packages without a working network card or wifi.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Putting them all together in a single non-free DVD will increase the installation success rate for sure.</div><div><br></div><div>And at last let me introduce my self.</div><div>My name is Agron Selimaj. I am an experienced Linux user and programmer. I have 11 years of Linux experience and I am a Mandriva Powerpack user since 2006 or 2007. I am a professional C++ programmer for Windows, Linux embedded and Linux Desktops at my day job.</div>
+<div>I like the spirit of Mageia creators and I would like to join you. At the moment, I am an apprentice candidate waiting for a mentor to guide me through package creation process, bug fixing, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>
+//Agron</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it" target="_blank">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">mercoledì 30 maggio 2012 alle 16:38, Johnny A. Solbu ha scritto:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On Wednesday 30 May 2012 16:20, Angelo Naselli wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; If you really mean that you should also remove non-free repositories etc...<br>
+&gt; &gt; I don&#39;t think being a don Quijote is that good... always imho of course.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; They do exactly that. They do not have any non-free repo. They have a policy that do not allow any non-free software (programs, drivers, firmware etc.) in their distributions, and they don&#39;t have any exceptions.<br>
+
+&gt; Some might find this silly and stupid. But they live by the rule that every software should be Free. If it is not, they will not use it because they can&#39;t do what they want with it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My point is just that there really do exist several distributions that do not allow any non-free software in their repositories. if they don&#39;t have any non-free software there is no point in having an empty non-free repo. The way Thierry listed the two categories he seemed to suggest that there where no such distributions.<br>
+
+<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s sounds different of course, i thought you referred to us ;)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<p>Hi, </p>
+<p>I&#39;ve just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to be required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing /etc/init.d/clamd and sockets.</p>
+<p>WDYT?</p>
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+<p>Hi, </p>
+<p>I&#39;ve just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to be required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing /etc/init.d/clamd and sockets.</p>
+<p>WDYT?</p>
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+server glx version string: 1.4
+server glx extensions:
+    GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, 
+    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_OML_swap_method, 
+    GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, 
+    GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, 
+    GLX_SGI_swap_control, 
+client glx vendor string: ATI
+client glx version string: 1.4
+client glx extensions:
+    GLX_AMD_gpu_association, GLX_ARB_create_context, 
+    GLX_ARB_create_context_profile, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, 
+    GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB, 
+    GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_swap_control, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, 
+    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory, 
+    GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_swap_control, 
+    GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_OML_swap_method, 
+    GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, 
+    GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_swap_group, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, 
+    GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, 
+GLX version: 1.4
+GLX extensions:
+    GLX_ARB_create_context, GLX_ARB_create_context_profile, 
+    GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, 
+    GLX_EXT_swap_control, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info, 
+    GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_NV_swap_group, 
+    GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, 
+    GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_swap_group, 
+    GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, 
+    GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, 
+OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
+OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon HD 6570
+OpenGL version string: 4.2.11631 Compatibility Profile Context
+OpenGL shading language version string: 4.20
+OpenGL extensions:
+    GL_AMDX_debug_output, GL_AMDX_vertex_shader_tessellator, 
+    GL_AMD_conservative_depth, GL_AMD_debug_output, 
+    GL_AMD_depth_clamp_separate, GL_AMD_draw_buffers_blend, 
+    GL_AMD_multi_draw_indirect, GL_AMD_name_gen_delete, 
+    GL_AMD_performance_monitor, GL_AMD_pinned_memory, GL_AMD_sample_positions, 
+    GL_AMD_seamless_cubemap_per_texture, GL_AMD_shader_stencil_export, 
+    GL_AMD_shader_trace, GL_AMD_texture_cube_map_array, 
+    GL_AMD_texture_texture4, GL_AMD_transform_feedback3_lines_triangles, 
+    GL_AMD_vertex_shader_layer, GL_AMD_vertex_shader_tessellator, 
+    GL_AMD_vertex_shader_viewport_index, GL_ARB_ES2_compatibility, 
+    GL_ARB_base_instance, GL_ARB_blend_func_extended, 
+    GL_ARB_color_buffer_float, GL_ARB_compressed_texture_pixel_storage, 
+    GL_ARB_conservative_depth, GL_ARB_copy_buffer, GL_ARB_depth_buffer_float, 
+    GL_ARB_depth_clamp, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_draw_buffers, 
+    GL_ARB_draw_buffers_blend, GL_ARB_draw_elements_base_vertex, 
+    GL_ARB_draw_indirect, GL_ARB_draw_instanced, 
+    GL_ARB_explicit_attrib_location, GL_ARB_fragment_coord_conventions, 
+    GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow, 
+    GL_ARB_fragment_shader, GL_ARB_framebuffer_object, 
+    GL_ARB_framebuffer_sRGB, GL_ARB_geometry_shader4, 
+    GL_ARB_get_program_binary, GL_ARB_gpu_shader5, GL_ARB_gpu_shader_fp64, 
+    GL_ARB_half_float_pixel, GL_ARB_half_float_vertex, GL_ARB_imaging, 
+    GL_ARB_instanced_arrays, GL_ARB_internalformat_query, 
+    GL_ARB_map_buffer_alignment, GL_ARB_map_buffer_range, GL_ARB_multisample, 
+    GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_occlusion_query, GL_ARB_occlusion_query2, 
+    GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, 
+    GL_ARB_provoking_vertex, GL_ARB_sample_shading, GL_ARB_sampler_objects, 
+    GL_ARB_seamless_cube_map, GL_ARB_separate_shader_objects, 
+    GL_ARB_shader_atomic_counters, GL_ARB_shader_bit_encoding, 
+    GL_ARB_shader_image_load_store, GL_ARB_shader_objects, 
+    GL_ARB_shader_precision, GL_ARB_shader_stencil_export, 
+    GL_ARB_shader_subroutine, GL_ARB_shader_texture_lod, 
+    GL_ARB_shading_language_100, GL_ARB_shading_language_420pack, 
+    GL_ARB_shading_language_packing, GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shadow_ambient, 
+    GL_ARB_sync, GL_ARB_tessellation_shader, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_buffer_object, GL_ARB_texture_buffer_object_rgb32, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_compression, GL_ARB_texture_compression_bptc, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_compression_rgtc, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_cube_map_array, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_float, GL_ARB_texture_gather, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_multisample, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two, GL_ARB_texture_query_lod, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_texture_rg, GL_ARB_texture_rgb10_a2ui, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_snorm, GL_ARB_texture_storage, GL_ARB_timer_query, 
+    GL_ARB_transform_feedback2, GL_ARB_transform_feedback3, 
+    GL_ARB_transform_feedback_instanced, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, 
+    GL_ARB_uniform_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_array_bgra, 
+    GL_ARB_vertex_array_object, GL_ARB_vertex_attrib_64bit, 
+    GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader, 
+    GL_ARB_vertex_type_2_10_10_10_rev, GL_ARB_viewport_array, 
+    GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_envmap_bumpmap, 
+    GL_ATI_fragment_shader, GL_ATI_meminfo, GL_ATI_separate_stencil, 
+    GL_ATI_texture_compression_3dc, GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3, 
+    GL_ATI_texture_float, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_EXT_abgr, 
+    GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_bindable_uniform, GL_EXT_blend_color, 
+    GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, 
+    GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, 
+    GL_EXT_copy_buffer, GL_EXT_copy_texture, GL_EXT_direct_state_access, 
+    GL_EXT_draw_buffers2, GL_EXT_draw_instanced, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, 
+    GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit, GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample, 
+    GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB, 
+    GL_EXT_geometry_shader4, GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters, 
+    GL_EXT_gpu_shader4, GL_EXT_histogram, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, 
+    GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil, GL_EXT_packed_float, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, 
+    GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object, GL_EXT_point_parameters, 
+    GL_EXT_provoking_vertex, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, 
+    GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shader_image_load_store, 
+    GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_subtexture, 
+    GL_EXT_texgen_reflection, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_array, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_buffer_object, GL_EXT_texture_compression_bptc, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_compression_latc, GL_EXT_texture_compression_rgtc, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_integer, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_lod, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_texture_sRGB, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_shared_exponent, GL_EXT_texture_snorm, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_storage, GL_EXT_texture_swizzle, GL_EXT_timer_query, 
+    GL_EXT_transform_feedback, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_EXT_vertex_array_bgra, 
+    GL_EXT_vertex_attrib_64bit, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, 
+    GL_KTX_buffer_region, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_conditional_render, 
+    GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color, GL_NV_copy_image, GL_NV_explicit_multisample, 
+    GL_NV_float_buffer, GL_NV_half_float, GL_NV_primitive_restart, 
+    GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_barrier, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, 
+    GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays, 
+    GL_WIN_swap_hint, WGL_EXT_swap_control, 
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+display: :0  screen: 0
+direct rendering: Yes
+server glx vendor string: ATI
+server glx version string: 1.4
+server glx extensions:
+    GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, 
+    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_OML_swap_method, 
+    GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, 
+    GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, 
+    GLX_SGI_swap_control, 
+client glx vendor string: ATI
+client glx version string: 1.4
+client glx extensions:
+    GLX_AMD_gpu_association, GLX_ARB_create_context, 
+    GLX_ARB_create_context_profile, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, 
+    GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB, 
+    GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_swap_control, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, 
+    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory, 
+    GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_swap_control, 
+    GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_OML_swap_method, 
+    GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, 
+    GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_swap_group, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, 
+    GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, 
+GLX version: 1.4
+GLX extensions:
+    GLX_ARB_create_context, GLX_ARB_create_context_profile, 
+    GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, 
+    GLX_EXT_swap_control, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info, 
+    GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_NV_swap_group, 
+    GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, 
+    GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_swap_group, 
+    GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, 
+    GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, 
+OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
+OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon HD 6570
+OpenGL version string: 4.2.11631 Compatibility Profile Context
+OpenGL shading language version string: 4.20
+OpenGL extensions:
+    GL_AMDX_debug_output, GL_AMDX_vertex_shader_tessellator, 
+    GL_AMD_conservative_depth, GL_AMD_debug_output, 
+    GL_AMD_depth_clamp_separate, GL_AMD_draw_buffers_blend, 
+    GL_AMD_multi_draw_indirect, GL_AMD_name_gen_delete, 
+    GL_AMD_performance_monitor, GL_AMD_pinned_memory, GL_AMD_sample_positions, 
+    GL_AMD_seamless_cubemap_per_texture, GL_AMD_shader_stencil_export, 
+    GL_AMD_shader_trace, GL_AMD_texture_cube_map_array, 
+    GL_AMD_texture_texture4, GL_AMD_transform_feedback3_lines_triangles, 
+    GL_AMD_vertex_shader_layer, GL_AMD_vertex_shader_tessellator, 
+    GL_AMD_vertex_shader_viewport_index, GL_ARB_ES2_compatibility, 
+    GL_ARB_base_instance, GL_ARB_blend_func_extended, 
+    GL_ARB_color_buffer_float, GL_ARB_compressed_texture_pixel_storage, 
+    GL_ARB_conservative_depth, GL_ARB_copy_buffer, GL_ARB_depth_buffer_float, 
+    GL_ARB_depth_clamp, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_draw_buffers, 
+    GL_ARB_draw_buffers_blend, GL_ARB_draw_elements_base_vertex, 
+    GL_ARB_draw_indirect, GL_ARB_draw_instanced, 
+    GL_ARB_explicit_attrib_location, GL_ARB_fragment_coord_conventions, 
+    GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow, 
+    GL_ARB_fragment_shader, GL_ARB_framebuffer_object, 
+    GL_ARB_framebuffer_sRGB, GL_ARB_geometry_shader4, 
+    GL_ARB_get_program_binary, GL_ARB_gpu_shader5, GL_ARB_gpu_shader_fp64, 
+    GL_ARB_half_float_pixel, GL_ARB_half_float_vertex, GL_ARB_imaging, 
+    GL_ARB_instanced_arrays, GL_ARB_internalformat_query, 
+    GL_ARB_map_buffer_alignment, GL_ARB_map_buffer_range, GL_ARB_multisample, 
+    GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_occlusion_query, GL_ARB_occlusion_query2, 
+    GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, 
+    GL_ARB_provoking_vertex, GL_ARB_sample_shading, GL_ARB_sampler_objects, 
+    GL_ARB_seamless_cube_map, GL_ARB_separate_shader_objects, 
+    GL_ARB_shader_atomic_counters, GL_ARB_shader_bit_encoding, 
+    GL_ARB_shader_image_load_store, GL_ARB_shader_objects, 
+    GL_ARB_shader_precision, GL_ARB_shader_stencil_export, 
+    GL_ARB_shader_subroutine, GL_ARB_shader_texture_lod, 
+    GL_ARB_shading_language_100, GL_ARB_shading_language_420pack, 
+    GL_ARB_shading_language_packing, GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shadow_ambient, 
+    GL_ARB_sync, GL_ARB_tessellation_shader, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_buffer_object, GL_ARB_texture_buffer_object_rgb32, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_compression, GL_ARB_texture_compression_bptc, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_compression_rgtc, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_cube_map_array, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_float, GL_ARB_texture_gather, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_multisample, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two, GL_ARB_texture_query_lod, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_texture_rg, GL_ARB_texture_rgb10_a2ui, 
+    GL_ARB_texture_snorm, GL_ARB_texture_storage, GL_ARB_timer_query, 
+    GL_ARB_transform_feedback2, GL_ARB_transform_feedback3, 
+    GL_ARB_transform_feedback_instanced, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, 
+    GL_ARB_uniform_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_array_bgra, 
+    GL_ARB_vertex_array_object, GL_ARB_vertex_attrib_64bit, 
+    GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader, 
+    GL_ARB_vertex_type_2_10_10_10_rev, GL_ARB_viewport_array, 
+    GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_envmap_bumpmap, 
+    GL_ATI_fragment_shader, GL_ATI_meminfo, GL_ATI_separate_stencil, 
+    GL_ATI_texture_compression_3dc, GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3, 
+    GL_ATI_texture_float, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_EXT_abgr, 
+    GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_bindable_uniform, GL_EXT_blend_color, 
+    GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, 
+    GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, 
+    GL_EXT_copy_buffer, GL_EXT_copy_texture, GL_EXT_direct_state_access, 
+    GL_EXT_draw_buffers2, GL_EXT_draw_instanced, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, 
+    GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit, GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample, 
+    GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB, 
+    GL_EXT_geometry_shader4, GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters, 
+    GL_EXT_gpu_shader4, GL_EXT_histogram, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, 
+    GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil, GL_EXT_packed_float, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, 
+    GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object, GL_EXT_point_parameters, 
+    GL_EXT_provoking_vertex, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, 
+    GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shader_image_load_store, 
+    GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_subtexture, 
+    GL_EXT_texgen_reflection, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_array, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_buffer_object, GL_EXT_texture_compression_bptc, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_compression_latc, GL_EXT_texture_compression_rgtc, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_integer, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_lod, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_texture_sRGB, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_shared_exponent, GL_EXT_texture_snorm, 
+    GL_EXT_texture_storage, GL_EXT_texture_swizzle, GL_EXT_timer_query, 
+    GL_EXT_transform_feedback, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_EXT_vertex_array_bgra, 
+    GL_EXT_vertex_attrib_64bit, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, 
+    GL_KTX_buffer_region, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_conditional_render, 
+    GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color, GL_NV_copy_image, GL_NV_explicit_multisample, 
+    GL_NV_float_buffer, GL_NV_half_float, GL_NV_primitive_restart, 
+    GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_barrier, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, 
+    GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays, 
+    GL_WIN_swap_hint, WGL_EXT_swap_control, 
+
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+  id dep cl sp  sz l  ci b ro  r  g  b  a F gb bf th cl  r  g  b  a ns b eat
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+<p>Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to be<br>
+&gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing /etc/init.d/clamd<br>
+&gt; and sockets.<br>
+&gt; WDYT?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; maybe it&#39;s freshclam that should be split off.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; can&#39;t freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd should be<br>
+&gt; required there (depending on configuration)</p>
+<p>We can&#39;t drop Freshclam because (I think) it&#39;s needed to update clamav database. </p>
+<p>Cheers.<br>
+</p>
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+<p>Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to be<br>
+&gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing /etc/init.d/clamd<br>
+&gt; and sockets.<br>
+&gt; WDYT?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; maybe it&#39;s freshclam that should be split off.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; can&#39;t freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd should be<br>
+&gt; required there (depending on configuration)</p>
+<p>We can&#39;t drop Freshclam because (I think) it&#39;s needed to update clamav database. </p>
+<p>Cheers.<br>
+</p>
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+<p>Le 2 juin 2012 09:13, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 01:23:14 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;ve just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to<br>
+&gt; be<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing<br>
+&gt; /etc/init.d/clamd<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; and sockets.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; WDYT?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; maybe it&#39;s freshclam that should be split off.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; can&#39;t freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd should<br>
+&gt; be<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; required there (depending on configuration)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; We can&#39;t drop Freshclam because (I think) it&#39;s needed to update clamav<br>
+&gt; database.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Cheers.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t mean dropping, i meant split off.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; both clamd and clamav can be installed separately and freshclam can be of use<br>
+&gt; by both</p>
+<p>You don&#39;t understand. Clamav provides freshclam, but you can&#39;t use freshclam without clamd...<br>
+</p>
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+<p>Le 2 juin 2012 09:13, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 01:23:14 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;ve just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon) havr to<br>
+&gt; be<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing<br>
+&gt; /etc/init.d/clamd<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; and sockets.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; WDYT?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; maybe it&#39;s freshclam that should be split off.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; can&#39;t freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd should<br>
+&gt; be<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; required there (depending on configuration)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; We can&#39;t drop Freshclam because (I think) it&#39;s needed to update clamav<br>
+&gt; database.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Cheers.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t mean dropping, i meant split off.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; both clamd and clamav can be installed separately and freshclam can be of use<br>
+&gt; by both</p>
+<p>You don&#39;t understand. Clamav provides freshclam, but you can&#39;t use freshclam without clamd...<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 2 juin 2012 09:25, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 09:16:48 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 2 juin 2012 09:13, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 01:23:14 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;ve just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; havr to<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; be<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; /etc/init.d/clamd<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and sockets.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; WDYT?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; maybe it&#39;s freshclam that should be split off.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; can&#39;t freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; should<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; be<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; required there (depending on configuration)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We can&#39;t drop Freshclam because (I think) it&#39;s needed to update clamav<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; database.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; I don&#39;t mean dropping, i meant split off.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; both clamd and clamav can be installed separately and freshclam can be of<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; use<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; by both<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; You don&#39;t understand. Clamav provides freshclam, but you can&#39;t use<br>
+&gt; &gt; freshclam without clamd...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i call bullshit.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; commenting out Notify in freshclam.conf is sufficient</p>
+<p>Oops, I didn&#39;t noticed that. Sorry!<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 2 juin 2012 09:25, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 09:16:48 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 2 juin 2012 09:13, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 2 juni 2012 01:23:14 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le 1 juin 2012 22:40, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Op vrijdag 1 juni 2012 21:30:18 schreef Sandro CAZZANIGA:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;ve just installed clamav and I think that clamd (clamav daemon)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; havr to<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; be<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; required by clamav, else freshclam crash because of missing<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; /etc/init.d/clamd<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; and sockets.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; WDYT?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; maybe it&#39;s freshclam that should be split off.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; can&#39;t freshclam also fetch virus definitions for clamscan? no clamd<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; should<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; be<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; required there (depending on configuration)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; We can&#39;t drop Freshclam because (I think) it&#39;s needed to update clamav<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; database.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; I don&#39;t mean dropping, i meant split off.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; both clamd and clamav can be installed separately and freshclam can be of<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; use<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; by both<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; You don&#39;t understand. Clamav provides freshclam, but you can&#39;t use<br>
+&gt; &gt; freshclam without clamd...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i call bullshit.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; commenting out Notify in freshclam.conf is sufficient</p>
+<p>Oops, I didn&#39;t noticed that. Sorry!<br>
+</p>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Le 03/06/2012 18:25, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a> a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20120603162554.14782400F6@valstar.mageia.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <div id="msg">
+        <h3>Log Message</h3>
+        <pre>revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader</pre>
+        <h3>Modified Paths</h3>
+        <ul>
+          <li><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="imap://manuel%40hiebel%2Eeu@mail.gandi.net:993/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E113414#drakxtrunkperlinstallinstallsharepofrpo">drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po</a></li>
+        </ul>
+      </div>
+      <div id="patch">
+        <pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" id="drakxtrunkperlinstallinstallsharepofrpo">Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po</a>
+===================================================================
+--- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po	2012-06-03 14:28:13 UTC (rev 4790)
++++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po	2012-06-03 16:25:53 UTC (rev 4791)
+@@ -1404,9 +1404,9 @@
+ 
+ #. -PO: This is NOT the boot loader!!!!
+ #: steps_interactive.pm:1052
+-#, c-format
++#, fuzzy, c-format
+ msgid "Preparing initial startup program..."
+-msgstr "Préparation du programme d'amorçage…"
++msgstr "Préparation de l'installation"
+ 
+ #: steps_interactive.pm:1053
+ #, c-format
+
+</pre>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Really ? <br>
+    <br>
+    It seems it's the cause of the wrong translation here: <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484#c34">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484#c34</a> or with the last iso<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://freeshell.de/~manu67/mageia/amorce.png">http://freeshell.de/~manu67/mageia/amorce.png</a><br>
+    <br>
+    and it seems it's the right step:<br>
+    <br>
+    <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1047">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1047</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"><span class="pygments-k">sub </span><span
+              class="pygments-nf">setupBootloaderBefore</span> <span
+              class="pygments-p">{</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1048">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1048</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-k">my</span>
+            <span class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-nv">$o</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">)</span> <span class="pygments-o">=</span>
+            <span class="pygments-nv">@_</span><span class="pygments-p">;</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1049">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1049</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-nb">local</span>
+            <span class="pygments-nv">$o</span><span class="pygments-o">-&gt;</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">{</span><span class="pygments-n">pop_wait_messages</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">}</span> <span class="pygments-o">=</span>
+            <span class="pygments-mi">1</span><span class="pygments-p">;</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1050">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1050</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-k">my</span>
+            <span class="pygments-nv">$_w</span> <span
+              class="pygments-o">=</span> <span class="pygments-nv">$o</span><span
+              class="pygments-o">-&gt;</span><span class="pygments-n">wait_message</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-n">N</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-s">"Preparing
+              bootloader..."</span><span class="pygments-p">),</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1051">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1051</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-c1">#-PO:
+              This is NOT the boot loader!!!!</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1052">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1052</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-n">N</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-s">"Preparing
+              initial startup program..."</span><span class="pygments-p">)</span>
+            <span class="pygments-o">.</span> <span class="pygments-s">"\n"</span>
+            <span class="pygments-o">.</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1053">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1053</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-n">N</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-s">"Be
+              patient, this may take a while..."</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">)</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1054">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1054</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-p">);</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1055">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1055</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-nv">$o</span><span
+              class="pygments-o">-&gt;</span><span class="pygments-nn">SUPER::</span><span
+              class="pygments-n">setupBootloaderBefore</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">;</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1056">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1056</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"><span class="pygments-p">}</span></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Le 03/06/2012 18:25, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a> a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20120603162554.14782400F6@valstar.mageia.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <div id="msg">
+        <h3>Log Message</h3>
+        <pre>revert last commit: as stated by the comment, this is _NOT_ the boot loader</pre>
+        <h3>Modified Paths</h3>
+        <ul>
+          <li><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="imap://manuel%40hiebel%2Eeu@mail.gandi.net:993/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E113414#drakxtrunkperlinstallinstallsharepofrpo">drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po</a></li>
+        </ul>
+      </div>
+      <div id="patch">
+        <pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" id="drakxtrunkperlinstallinstallsharepofrpo">Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po</a>
+===================================================================
+--- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po	2012-06-03 14:28:13 UTC (rev 4790)
++++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/fr.po	2012-06-03 16:25:53 UTC (rev 4791)
+@@ -1404,9 +1404,9 @@
+ 
+ #. -PO: This is NOT the boot loader!!!!
+ #: steps_interactive.pm:1052
+-#, c-format
++#, fuzzy, c-format
+ msgid "Preparing initial startup program..."
+-msgstr "Préparation du programme d'amorçage…"
++msgstr "Préparation de l'installation"
+ 
+ #: steps_interactive.pm:1053
+ #, c-format
+
+</pre>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Really ? <br>
+    <br>
+    It seems it's the cause of the wrong translation here: <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484#c34">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484#c34</a> or with the last iso<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://freeshell.de/~manu67/mageia/amorce.png">http://freeshell.de/~manu67/mageia/amorce.png</a><br>
+    <br>
+    and it seems it's the right step:<br>
+    <br>
+    <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+      <tbody>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1047">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1047</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"><span class="pygments-k">sub </span><span
+              class="pygments-nf">setupBootloaderBefore</span> <span
+              class="pygments-p">{</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1048">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1048</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-k">my</span>
+            <span class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-nv">$o</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">)</span> <span class="pygments-o">=</span>
+            <span class="pygments-nv">@_</span><span class="pygments-p">;</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1049">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1049</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-nb">local</span>
+            <span class="pygments-nv">$o</span><span class="pygments-o">-&gt;</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">{</span><span class="pygments-n">pop_wait_messages</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">}</span> <span class="pygments-o">=</span>
+            <span class="pygments-mi">1</span><span class="pygments-p">;</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1050">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1050</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-k">my</span>
+            <span class="pygments-nv">$_w</span> <span
+              class="pygments-o">=</span> <span class="pygments-nv">$o</span><span
+              class="pygments-o">-&gt;</span><span class="pygments-n">wait_message</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-n">N</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-s">"Preparing
+              bootloader..."</span><span class="pygments-p">),</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1051">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1051</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-c1">#-PO:
+              This is NOT the boot loader!!!!</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1052">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1052</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-n">N</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-s">"Preparing
+              initial startup program..."</span><span class="pygments-p">)</span>
+            <span class="pygments-o">.</span> <span class="pygments-s">"\n"</span>
+            <span class="pygments-o">.</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1053">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1053</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-n">N</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">(</span><span class="pygments-s">"Be
+              patient, this may take a while..."</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">)</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1054">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1054</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-p">);</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1055">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1055</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"> <span class="pygments-nv">$o</span><span
+              class="pygments-o">-&gt;</span><span class="pygments-nn">SUPER::</span><span
+              class="pygments-n">setupBootloaderBefore</span><span
+              class="pygments-p">;</span>
+          </td>
+        </tr>
+        <tr class="vc_row_odd" id="l1056">
+          <td class="vc_file_line_number">1056</td>
+          <td class="vc_file_line_text"><span class="pygments-p">}</span></td>
+        </tr>
+      </tbody>
+    </table>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/3 David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com" target="_blank">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Thierry Vignaud wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 2 June 2012 14:08, fwang &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0:13.0-4.mga3:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 253388<br>
+&gt;&gt; - fix tarball dir<br>
+&gt;&gt; - 13.0 final<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You forgot to reset mkrel :-)<br>
+<br>
+13.0??  I thought we were sticking with ESR releases.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>It&#39;s cauldron! ESR is for MGA2, at least I understood it so ...<div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/3 David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com" target="_blank">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Thierry Vignaud wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 2 June 2012 14:08, fwang &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0:13.0-4.mga3:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 253388<br>
+&gt;&gt; - fix tarball dir<br>
+&gt;&gt; - 13.0 final<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You forgot to reset mkrel :-)<br>
+<br>
+13.0??  I thought we were sticking with ESR releases.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>It&#39;s cauldron! ESR is for MGA2, at least I understood it so ...<div><br></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Sunday, 3 June 2012 17:52:47 Colin Guthrie wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On the whole, this kind of &quot;security&quot; is basically bullshit anyway.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You can't make that assessment without understanding the rest of the security environment.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; might make things a tiny bit harder, but if you can get into the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; bootloader to append a 1 on the command line,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Maybe you *can't* append anything you like to the command-line. Maybe the bootloader configuration has a 'boot single' option, which should require entry of the root password to access the system.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; you can also append</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; init=/bin/bash too which totally bypasses everything too.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Not if the bootloader configuration is password protected (IOW, you can boot any configured option, but if you want to modify anything, you need to provide a password, different from the root password).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So while it's</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; maybe a nice idea, for all practical purposes, it's not any kind of real</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; security anyway, so don't rely on it!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">No security implementation relies on a single control being in place. A numebr of modern security best practices have thousands of controls, and the requirement for a password to be entered to boot single is almost always one of them, and a requirement for a bootloader password is usually another.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Sunday, 3 June 2012 17:52:47 Colin Guthrie wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On the whole, this kind of &quot;security&quot; is basically bullshit anyway.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You can't make that assessment without understanding the rest of the security environment.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; might make things a tiny bit harder, but if you can get into the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; bootloader to append a 1 on the command line,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Maybe you *can't* append anything you like to the command-line. Maybe the bootloader configuration has a 'boot single' option, which should require entry of the root password to access the system.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; you can also append</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; init=/bin/bash too which totally bypasses everything too.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Not if the bootloader configuration is password protected (IOW, you can boot any configured option, but if you want to modify anything, you need to provide a password, different from the root password).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So while it's</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; maybe a nice idea, for all practical purposes, it's not any kind of real</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; security anyway, so don't rely on it!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">No security implementation relies on a single control being in place. A numebr of modern security best practices have thousands of controls, and the requirement for a password to be entered to boot single is almost always one of them, and a requirement for a bootloader password is usually another.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p><br>
+Le 5 juin 2012 10:26, &quot;andre999&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a mentor.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is most interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed, he has already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages are en, pt, and es.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in C++, debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing on essential packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+I can mentored this guys, i think. <br>
+&gt; Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to confirm their interest.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can find more details at:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+&gt; And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don&#39;t hesitate to post to this thread.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a> <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; To find a mentor, it helps to also post to this list (mageia-dev), or hang out on IRC at freenode #mageia-mentoring.<br>
+&gt; Don&#39;t forget that if you contact a mentor directly, they know that you are actively interested.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -- <br>
+&gt; André<br>
+&gt; (Packager mentoring program coordinator)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+Le 5 juin 2012 10:26, &quot;andre999&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a mentor.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is most interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed, he has already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages are en, pt, and es.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in C++, debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing on essential packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+I can mentored this guys, i think. <br>
+&gt; Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to confirm their interest.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can find more details at:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+&gt; And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don&#39;t hesitate to post to this thread.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a> <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; To find a mentor, it helps to also post to this list (mageia-dev), or hang out on IRC at freenode #mageia-mentoring.<br>
+&gt; Don&#39;t forget that if you contact a mentor directly, they know that you are actively interested.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -- <br>
+&gt; André<br>
+&gt; (Packager mentoring program coordinator)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+Yay! :)<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com" target="_blank">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p><br>
+Le 5 juin 2012 10:26, &quot;andre999&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt; a écrit :</p><div class="im"><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a mentor.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is most interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed, he has already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages are en, pt, and es.<br>
+
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in C++, debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing on essential packages.<br>
+&gt;<br></div>
+I can mentored this guys, i think. <br><div class="im">
+&gt; Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to confirm their interest.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can find more details at:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+&gt; And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don&#39;t hesitate to post to this thread.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a> <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</a><br>
+
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; To find a mentor, it helps to also post to this list (mageia-dev), or hang out on IRC at freenode #mageia-mentoring.<br>
+&gt; Don&#39;t forget that if you contact a mentor directly, they know that you are actively interested.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -- <br>
+&gt; André<br>
+&gt; (Packager mentoring program coordinator)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><p></p>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Yay! :)<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Sandro CAZZANIGA <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com" target="_blank">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p><br>
+Le 5 juin 2012 10:26, &quot;andre999&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt; a écrit :</p><div class="im"><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a mentor.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is most interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed, he has already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages are en, pt, and es.<br>
+
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in C++, debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing on essential packages.<br>
+&gt;<br></div>
+I can mentored this guys, i think. <br><div class="im">
+&gt; Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to confirm their interest.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can find more details at:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+&gt; And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don&#39;t hesitate to post to this thread.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a> <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</a><br>
+
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; To find a mentor, it helps to also post to this list (mageia-dev), or hang out on IRC at freenode #mageia-mentoring.<br>
+&gt; Don&#39;t forget that if you contact a mentor directly, they know that you are actively interested.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -- <br>
+&gt; André<br>
+&gt; (Packager mentoring program coordinator)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><p></p>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<p>Thanks.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 6, 2012 10:19 AM, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Tue, 05 Jun 2012, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Can someone please remove the following packages ? I had a typo in the<br>
+&gt; lib name and they where created with the wrong name (already fixed and<br>
+&gt; resubmitted):<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; lib64chromapaint0-0.6-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm<br>
+&gt; lib64chromapaint0-devel-0.6-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm<br>
+<br>
+Ok, removed.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Thanks.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 6, 2012 10:19 AM, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Tue, 05 Jun 2012, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Can someone please remove the following packages ? I had a typo in the<br>
+&gt; lib name and they where created with the wrong name (already fixed and<br>
+&gt; resubmitted):<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; lib64chromapaint0-0.6-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm<br>
+&gt; lib64chromapaint0-devel-0.6-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm<br>
+<br>
+Ok, removed.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>On Jun 8, 2012 2:33 PM, &quot;Samuel Verschelde&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 11:40:59, Sander Lepik a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; 08.06.2012 11:51, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; And what about security issues and bugs to those backports? It will use<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; more packager ressource to patch backports than to provide newer<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; versions, won&#39;t it?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; If there is security issue then you have to fix it on cauldron too (usually<br>
+&gt; &gt; with new version, so you can backport it to stable version). At least<br>
+&gt; &gt; before release. And after backports are closed you can upgrade to latest<br>
+&gt; &gt; stable version (for example mga3) and get patched version this way. I<br>
+&gt; &gt; don&#39;t see the problem here.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So you mean that backports are supported for 9 months and then you have to<br>
+&gt; upgrade to the next Mageia if you want security fixes... That&#39;s not what I call<br>
+&gt; support :/ What about people who want not to upgrade their whole system to the<br>
+&gt; next Mageia and still get support for that backport they installed?<br>
+I don&#39;t think that we need to support backports that much. It should be clear that backports might not get all security updates. We should guarantee that it&#39;s possible to upgrade to next stable release and that&#39;s about it. We really don&#39;t have resources for more.<br>
+
+And if user doesn&#39;t want to upgrade to next release but at the same time wants security updates s/he can always downgrade.</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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+<p>On Jun 8, 2012 2:33 PM, &quot;Samuel Verschelde&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le vendredi 8 juin 2012 11:40:59, Sander Lepik a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; 08.06.2012 11:51, Samuel Verschelde kirjutas:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; And what about security issues and bugs to those backports? It will use<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; more packager ressource to patch backports than to provide newer<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; versions, won&#39;t it?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; If there is security issue then you have to fix it on cauldron too (usually<br>
+&gt; &gt; with new version, so you can backport it to stable version). At least<br>
+&gt; &gt; before release. And after backports are closed you can upgrade to latest<br>
+&gt; &gt; stable version (for example mga3) and get patched version this way. I<br>
+&gt; &gt; don&#39;t see the problem here.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So you mean that backports are supported for 9 months and then you have to<br>
+&gt; upgrade to the next Mageia if you want security fixes... That&#39;s not what I call<br>
+&gt; support :/ What about people who want not to upgrade their whole system to the<br>
+&gt; next Mageia and still get support for that backport they installed?<br>
+I don&#39;t think that we need to support backports that much. It should be clear that backports might not get all security updates. We should guarantee that it&#39;s possible to upgrade to next stable release and that&#39;s about it. We really don&#39;t have resources for more.<br>
+
+And if user doesn&#39;t want to upgrade to next release but at the same time wants security updates s/he can always downgrade.</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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@@ -0,0 +1,34 @@
+Index: a/libkgoogle/authdialog.cpp
+===================================================================
+--- a/libkgoogle/authdialog.cpp
++++ b/libkgoogle/authdialog.cpp	2012-06-10 07:59:32.053613556 -0300
+@@ -102,13 +102,19 @@
+     }
+ 
+     if (url.host() == "accounts.google.com" && url.path() == "/o/oauth2/approval") {
+-        QWebElement el = m_webiew->page()->mainFrame()->findFirstElement("textarea");
+-        if (el.isNull()) {
++       QString title = m_webiew->title();
++       QString token;
++
++
++       if (title.startsWith(QLatin1String("success"), Qt::CaseInsensitive)) {
++	       int pos = title.indexOf(QLatin1String("code="));
++	        /* Skip the 'code=' string as well */
++	       token = title.mid (pos + 5);
++       } else {
+             emitError(KGoogle::AuthError, i18n("Parsing token page failed."));
+             return;
+         }
+ 
+-        QString token = el.toInnerXml();
+         if (token.isEmpty()) {
+             emitError(KGoogle::AuthError, i18n("Failed to obtain token."));
+             return;
+@@ -292,4 +298,4 @@
+ {
+     m_username = QString();
+     m_password = QString();
+-}
+\ Pas de fin de ligne à la fin du fichier
++}
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0fb6dac57
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@@ -0,0 +1,34 @@
+Index: a/libkgoogle/authdialog.cpp
+===================================================================
+--- a/libkgoogle/authdialog.cpp
++++ b/libkgoogle/authdialog.cpp	2012-06-10 07:59:32.053613556 -0300
+@@ -102,13 +102,19 @@
+     }
+ 
+     if (url.host() == "accounts.google.com" && url.path() == "/o/oauth2/approval") {
+-        QWebElement el = m_webiew->page()->mainFrame()->findFirstElement("textarea");
+-        if (el.isNull()) {
++       QString title = m_webiew->title();
++       QString token;
++
++
++       if (title.startsWith(QLatin1String("success"), Qt::CaseInsensitive)) {
++	       int pos = title.indexOf(QLatin1String("code="));
++	        /* Skip the 'code=' string as well */
++	       token = title.mid (pos + 5);
++       } else {
+             emitError(KGoogle::AuthError, i18n("Parsing token page failed."));
+             return;
+         }
+ 
+-        QString token = el.toInnerXml();
+         if (token.isEmpty()) {
+             emitError(KGoogle::AuthError, i18n("Failed to obtain token."));
+             return;
+@@ -292,4 +298,4 @@
+ {
+     m_username = QString();
+     m_password = QString();
+-}
+\ Pas de fin de ligne à la fin du fichier
++}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120611/2ee669f4/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120611/2ee669f4/attachment-0001.html
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+<p>On Jun 11, 2012 1:14 PM, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 11/06/12 10:19 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 11/06/2012 09:56, Colin Guthrie a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Well it the .so name does not change then it *should* be ABI compatible.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; It seems in this case it&#39;s only API compatible but that doesn&#39;t rule out<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; certain values, macros or flags changing such that everything needs a<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; recompile.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Just rebuilding openssl with different build options already triggered<br>
+&gt; &gt; such kind of issues. I remember adding SNI support broke ntp in the<br>
+&gt; &gt; past, until this last package was rebuilt. The safe way should be to<br>
+&gt; &gt; rebuild everything right now, but given than almost everything in the<br>
+&gt; &gt; distribution uses this library, I think just letting normal update flow<br>
+&gt; &gt; should be enough, unless actual problems are found.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Probably true and I think we should ensure that a full rebuild is done<br>
+&gt; before the beta cycle anwyay. We did moot this for mga2 but it was<br>
+&gt; deemed (correctly IMO) too late to start messing with that.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; But until then a full rebuild is likely overkill.<br>
+What about gcc 4.7? I think we should switch to that one as well. And then rebuild is needed anyway. So full rebuild at the moment is probably not the best idea.<br>
+--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+<p>On Jun 11, 2012 1:14 PM, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 11/06/12 10:19 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 11/06/2012 09:56, Colin Guthrie a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Well it the .so name does not change then it *should* be ABI compatible.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; It seems in this case it&#39;s only API compatible but that doesn&#39;t rule out<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; certain values, macros or flags changing such that everything needs a<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; recompile.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Just rebuilding openssl with different build options already triggered<br>
+&gt; &gt; such kind of issues. I remember adding SNI support broke ntp in the<br>
+&gt; &gt; past, until this last package was rebuilt. The safe way should be to<br>
+&gt; &gt; rebuild everything right now, but given than almost everything in the<br>
+&gt; &gt; distribution uses this library, I think just letting normal update flow<br>
+&gt; &gt; should be enough, unless actual problems are found.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Probably true and I think we should ensure that a full rebuild is done<br>
+&gt; before the beta cycle anwyay. We did moot this for mga2 but it was<br>
+&gt; deemed (correctly IMO) too late to start messing with that.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; But until then a full rebuild is likely overkill.<br>
+What about gcc 4.7? I think we should switch to that one as well. And then rebuild is needed anyway. So full rebuild at the moment is probably not the best idea.<br>
+--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+Hey Sandro,<div><br></div><div>I noticed you have become my mentor. I was impatiently waiting to get started.</div><div><br></div><div>//Agron</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:26:20 -0400<br>
+andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a mentor.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is most<br>
+&gt; interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed, he has<br>
+&gt; already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages are en, pt,<br>
+&gt; and es.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in C++,<br>
+&gt; debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing on<br>
+&gt; essential packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to confirm<br>
+&gt; their interest.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can find more details at:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+&gt; And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don&#39;t hesitate to post<br>
+&gt; to this thread.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m willing to take on another apprentice as long as they can speak English or<br>
+Hebrew.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+        Shlomi Fish<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+-----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+Shlomi Fish       <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/</a><br>
+Understand what Open Source is - <a href="http://shlom.in/oss-fs" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/oss-fs</a><br>
+<br>
+No one knows all of Perl. Not even Larry Wall. Except Chuck Norris, who knows<br>
+all of Perl 5, Perl 6, and can answer questions about the design of Perl 7.<br>
+<br>
+Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hey Sandro,<div><br></div><div>I noticed you have become my mentor. I was impatiently waiting to get started.</div><div><br></div><div>//Agron</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:26:20 -0400<br>
+andre999 &lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Since my last post, we have 2 new apprentice candidates looking for a mentor.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; simplew (Pedro), who is a longtime user of various rpm-based distros, is most<br>
+&gt; interested in Gnome and KDE packages.  As you have probably noticed, he has<br>
+&gt; already been struggling with packaging on his own.  His languages are en, pt,<br>
+&gt; and es.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; agron (Agron Selimaj), an mdv powerpack user since 2006, has skills in C++,<br>
+&gt; debugging, patch review, and rpm building, and is interested in focusing on<br>
+&gt; essential packages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Others have expressed interest in becoming packagers, but I have yet to confirm<br>
+&gt; their interest.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can find more details at:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I&#39;ll update the tables for you.<br>
+&gt; And if you feel that you can take on another apprentice, don&#39;t hesitate to post<br>
+&gt; to this thread.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m willing to take on another apprentice as long as they can speak English or<br>
+Hebrew.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+        Shlomi Fish<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+-----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+Shlomi Fish       <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/</a><br>
+Understand what Open Source is - <a href="http://shlom.in/oss-fs" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/oss-fs</a><br>
+<br>
+No one knows all of Perl. Not even Larry Wall. Except Chuck Norris, who knows<br>
+all of Perl 5, Perl 6, and can answer questions about the design of Perl 7.<br>
+<br>
+Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
+<html><head>
+    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
+    <meta name="generator" content="Osso Notes">
+    <title></title></head>
+<body>
+<p>
+<br>Frank, just because this mailing list is of a high volume I'd recomended filing a bug anyway.
+<br>
+<br>//Agron
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>----- Original message -----
+<br>&gt; (saying this with trepidation, since I've been away for awhile)
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; In the last day or so, Wine is back to complaining that it can't find a 
+<br>&gt; Gecko package for displaying help files.&nbsp; &#32;In a new twist, it is also 
+<br>&gt; complaining about not being able to find a MONO package for .NET support.
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; This was happening several months back (in the Gecko case), and IIRC had 
+<br>&gt; to do either with an outdated wine-gecko package or a 32/64-bit package 
+<br>&gt; mismatch.&nbsp; &#32;I believe Thierry was the one who put it right at that time.
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; The Gecko issue, and now the MONO issue, should probably be tied to Wine 
+<br>&gt; by a formal Requires to keep this from reoccurring.&nbsp; &#32;If some 
+<br>&gt; Wine-knowledgeable person can confirm what's happening, I'll be happy to 
+<br>&gt; enter a bug report.
+<br><br></p>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
+<html><head>
+    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
+    <meta name="generator" content="Osso Notes">
+    <title></title></head>
+<body>
+<p>
+<br>Frank, just because this mailing list is of a high volume I'd recomended filing a bug anyway.
+<br>
+<br>//Agron
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>----- Original message -----
+<br>&gt; (saying this with trepidation, since I've been away for awhile)
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; In the last day or so, Wine is back to complaining that it can't find a 
+<br>&gt; Gecko package for displaying help files.&nbsp; &#32;In a new twist, it is also 
+<br>&gt; complaining about not being able to find a MONO package for .NET support.
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; This was happening several months back (in the Gecko case), and IIRC had 
+<br>&gt; to do either with an outdated wine-gecko package or a 32/64-bit package 
+<br>&gt; mismatch.&nbsp; &#32;I believe Thierry was the one who put it right at that time.
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; The Gecko issue, and now the MONO issue, should probably be tied to Wine 
+<br>&gt; by a formal Requires to keep this from reoccurring.&nbsp; &#32;If some 
+<br>&gt; Wine-knowledgeable person can confirm what's happening, I'll be happy to 
+<br>&gt; enter a bug report.
+<br><br></p>
+</body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <p><b>Problem</b>
+    </p>
+    <p>MCC is great, and I would love to be able to admin using it
+      regardless of whether I am using text interface or gtk/qt.
+      The interface is completely different in curses than gtk
+      interfaces. Curses version is a second rate citizen, and Gui is
+      all GTK. A lot of the tools are not available in curses interface,
+      for instance, I don't see a way to install software or managing
+      repositories.
+      It would be nice to have qt version as well as gtk (not a major
+      issue, but would be nice)
+    </p>
+    <p><b>Possible solution</b>
+      I have thought how this could be addressed and feel that in the
+      long term, the best solution would be to have the interface layer
+      abstracted. So when developing a module, you use the mcc UI
+      library, so you may call for instance mccGui.pushButton then if
+      you are running in curses it creates a curses button, if you are
+      in KDE it creates a QPushButton, if you are in Gnome it creates a
+      GTKButton. This would take a great deal of work, so I started
+      looking around to find any existing libraries. The first place I
+      looked was openSuSE as Yast does exactly what I am describing. In
+      yast, the interface is laid out and works the same way whether you
+      are using curses, Gtk or Qt. To my surprise they have put a lot of
+      work into separating their Ui library from the Yast tools. You can
+      use the library to write curses/gtk/qt programs that use the
+      appropriate widget as needed, independent of Yast.
+      We could use the Yast Back end, and adapt our front end to use it.
+      This option would take the least amount of work, as there are perl
+      bindings to the yast libraries, and so it would only be the gui
+      layer that would need reworking. The current gtk only modules
+      could become curses/qt/gtk modules by changing the gtk calls to
+      yast backend calls.
+    </p>
+    <p>Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that we port Yast to
+      Mageia, I am suggesting we use its Ui abstraction only. I use
+      Mageia over openSuse for many reasons, but I do admire how well
+      Yast works, and would love to see similar in Mageia. Perhaps we
+      could start planning the next generation of MCC ??
+    </p>
+    <h1><small><small> <span class="mw-headline"
+            id="Why_it_would_be_good_for_Mageia_to_include_it"> Why it
+            would be good for Mageia to include it </span></small></small></h1>
+    <p>It would provide consistency across terminal and gui
+      administration, and in doing so provide an easy entry into text
+      based administration for novices.
+    </p>
+    <p>Providing the abstraction layer would mean all modules created
+      will be available to all users.
+    </p>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <p><b>Problem</b>
+    </p>
+    <p>MCC is great, and I would love to be able to admin using it
+      regardless of whether I am using text interface or gtk/qt.
+      The interface is completely different in curses than gtk
+      interfaces. Curses version is a second rate citizen, and Gui is
+      all GTK. A lot of the tools are not available in curses interface,
+      for instance, I don't see a way to install software or managing
+      repositories.
+      It would be nice to have qt version as well as gtk (not a major
+      issue, but would be nice)
+    </p>
+    <p><b>Possible solution</b>
+      I have thought how this could be addressed and feel that in the
+      long term, the best solution would be to have the interface layer
+      abstracted. So when developing a module, you use the mcc UI
+      library, so you may call for instance mccGui.pushButton then if
+      you are running in curses it creates a curses button, if you are
+      in KDE it creates a QPushButton, if you are in Gnome it creates a
+      GTKButton. This would take a great deal of work, so I started
+      looking around to find any existing libraries. The first place I
+      looked was openSuSE as Yast does exactly what I am describing. In
+      yast, the interface is laid out and works the same way whether you
+      are using curses, Gtk or Qt. To my surprise they have put a lot of
+      work into separating their Ui library from the Yast tools. You can
+      use the library to write curses/gtk/qt programs that use the
+      appropriate widget as needed, independent of Yast.
+      We could use the Yast Back end, and adapt our front end to use it.
+      This option would take the least amount of work, as there are perl
+      bindings to the yast libraries, and so it would only be the gui
+      layer that would need reworking. The current gtk only modules
+      could become curses/qt/gtk modules by changing the gtk calls to
+      yast backend calls.
+    </p>
+    <p>Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that we port Yast to
+      Mageia, I am suggesting we use its Ui abstraction only. I use
+      Mageia over openSuse for many reasons, but I do admire how well
+      Yast works, and would love to see similar in Mageia. Perhaps we
+      could start planning the next generation of MCC ??
+    </p>
+    <h1><small><small> <span class="mw-headline"
+            id="Why_it_would_be_good_for_Mageia_to_include_it"> Why it
+            would be good for Mageia to include it </span></small></small></h1>
+    <p>It would provide consistency across terminal and gui
+      administration, and in doing so provide an easy entry into text
+      based administration for novices.
+    </p>
+    <p>Providing the abstraction layer would mean all modules created
+      will be available to all users.
+    </p>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Abdulrahman alattawy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:abdul.alattawy@gmail.com" target="_blank">abdul.alattawy@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello Selimaj, I would like you to mentor be to become a packager. I am a linux user since 2008. I love Linux and I want to help and contribute time to help this great project. I use Centos 6.2, 5.8 and I have several ubuntu boxes. I am also a C/C++, Python programmer. I saw the Magiea linux on distrowatch and I knew that it&#39;s a new project so I decided to help the project to move forward.<div>
+
+Sincerely,</div><div>Abdulrahman Alotaibi</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>I am flattered Mr. Alattawy. Unfortunately I am an apprentice and I haven&#39;t started anything yet. My mentor is <b>kharec</b> - Sandro CAZZANIGA. Mentors are on PINK rows, and apprentices are on WHITE rows.<br>
+<br>If you look at this page <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates</a>, you have to put your name in the table under the  <b><span class="mw-headline" id="Packaging_apprentice_candidates">Packaging apprentice candidates  </span></b>heading. You have to edit the page.<br>
+<br>//Agron<br><br><br><p><br></p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Abdulrahman alattawy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:abdul.alattawy@gmail.com" target="_blank">abdul.alattawy@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello Selimaj, I would like you to mentor be to become a packager. I am a linux user since 2008. I love Linux and I want to help and contribute time to help this great project. I use Centos 6.2, 5.8 and I have several ubuntu boxes. I am also a C/C++, Python programmer. I saw the Magiea linux on distrowatch and I knew that it&#39;s a new project so I decided to help the project to move forward.<div>
+
+Sincerely,</div><div>Abdulrahman Alotaibi</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>I am flattered Mr. Alattawy. Unfortunately I am an apprentice and I haven&#39;t started anything yet. My mentor is <b>kharec</b> - Sandro CAZZANIGA. Mentors are on PINK rows, and apprentices are on WHITE rows.<br>
+<br>If you look at this page <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates</a>, you have to put your name in the table under the  <b><span class="mw-headline" id="Packaging_apprentice_candidates">Packaging apprentice candidates  </span></b>heading. You have to edit the page.<br>
+<br>//Agron<br><br><br><p><br></p>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+It should be possible to run it on mga1 and mga2 too (i&#39;m using it on mga2). But for that<br>
+you have to get the rpm manually from cauldron&#39;s repo.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I think this would be worth a backport to mga2 -  a lot of people will look for it and most don&#39;t have a clue how to get stuff from Cauldron and that it is safe to do so (mixing Cauldron and stable being bad idea in general).<br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>Jan<br></div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120615/3535fb62/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120615/3535fb62/attachment.html
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@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+It should be possible to run it on mga1 and mga2 too (i&#39;m using it on mga2). But for that<br>
+you have to get the rpm manually from cauldron&#39;s repo.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I think this would be worth a backport to mga2 -  a lot of people will look for it and most don&#39;t have a clue how to get stuff from Cauldron and that it is safe to do so (mixing Cauldron and stable being bad idea in general).<br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>Jan<br></div></div>
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..e6c478a4a
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@@ -0,0 +1,80 @@
+diff -p -up rpm-4.10.0/build/parsePrep.c.2006 rpm-4.10.0/build/parsePrep.c
+--- rpm-4.10.0/build/parsePrep.c.2006	2012-05-22 10:53:51.000000000 +0000
++++ rpm-4.10.0/build/parsePrep.c	2012-06-15 09:17:31.945151263 +0000
+@@ -138,7 +138,10 @@ static char *doUntar(rpmSpec spec, uint3
+     char *fn = NULL;
+     char *buf = NULL;
+     char *tar = NULL;
+-    const char *taropts = ((rpmIsVerbose() && !quietly) ? "-xvvf" : "-xf");
++    char taropts[8];
++    char *t;
++    char *rubygemopts = NULL;
++    int rubygem = 0;
+     struct Source *sp;
+     rpmCompressedMagic compressed = COMPRESSED_NOT;
+ 
+@@ -158,6 +161,25 @@ static char *doUntar(rpmSpec spec, uint3
+ 
+     fn = rpmGetPath("%{_sourcedir}/", sp->source, NULL);
+ 
++     t = strrchr(sp->source, '.');
++     if(t && !strcasecmp(t, ".gem"))
++        rubygem = 1;
++ 
++     t = stpcpy(taropts, "-x");
++     if(rpmIsVerbose() && !quietly)
++        t = stpcpy(t, "vv");
++     if(rubygem)
++        t = stpcpy(t, "m");
++     t = stpcpy(t, "f");
++
++     if (rubygem) {
++	 rasprintf(&rubygemopts,
++		 "\n"
++		 "if [ -f data.tar.gz ]; then\n"
++		 "  tar %s data.tar.gz\n"
++		 "fi", taropts);
++     }
++
+     /* XXX On non-build parse's, file cannot be stat'd or read */
+     if (!(spec->flags & RPMSPEC_FORCE) && (rpmFileIsCompressed(fn, &compressed) || checkOwners(fn))) {
+ 	goto exit;
+@@ -204,7 +226,7 @@ static char *doUntar(rpmSpec spec, uint3
+ 		"STATUS=$?\n"
+ 		"if [ $STATUS -ne 0 ]; then\n"
+ 		"  exit $STATUS\n"
+-		"fi", zipper, fn, tar, taropts);
++		"fi%s", zipper, fn, tar, taropts, rubygem ? rubygemopts : "");
+ 	} else {
+ 	    rasprintf(&buf, "%s '%s'\n"
+ 		"STATUS=$?\n"
+@@ -214,7 +236,7 @@ static char *doUntar(rpmSpec spec, uint3
+ 	}
+ 	free(zipper);
+     } else {
+-	rasprintf(&buf, "%s %s %s", tar, taropts, fn);
++	rasprintf(&buf, "%s %s %s%s", tar, taropts, fn, rubygem ? rubygemopts : "");
+     }
+ 
+ exit:
+@@ -316,6 +338,20 @@ static int doSetupMacro(rpmSpec spec, co
+ 	free(buf);
+     }
+ 
++    /* check if source is a ruby gem */
++    {   struct Source *sp;
++       for (sp = spec->sources; sp != NULL; sp = sp->next) {
++           if ((sp->flags & RPMBUILD_ISSOURCE) && (sp->num == 0)) {
++               break;
++           }
++       }
++       if (sp != NULL) {
++           char *t = strrchr(sp->source, '.');
++           if(t && !strcasecmp(t, ".gem"))
++               createDir = 1;
++       }
++    }
++
+     /* if necessary, create and cd into the proper dir */
+     if (createDir) {
+ 	buf = rpmExpand("%{__mkdir_p} ", spec->buildSubdir, "\n",
\ No newline at end of file
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..e6c478a4a
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@@ -0,0 +1,80 @@
+diff -p -up rpm-4.10.0/build/parsePrep.c.2006 rpm-4.10.0/build/parsePrep.c
+--- rpm-4.10.0/build/parsePrep.c.2006	2012-05-22 10:53:51.000000000 +0000
++++ rpm-4.10.0/build/parsePrep.c	2012-06-15 09:17:31.945151263 +0000
+@@ -138,7 +138,10 @@ static char *doUntar(rpmSpec spec, uint3
+     char *fn = NULL;
+     char *buf = NULL;
+     char *tar = NULL;
+-    const char *taropts = ((rpmIsVerbose() && !quietly) ? "-xvvf" : "-xf");
++    char taropts[8];
++    char *t;
++    char *rubygemopts = NULL;
++    int rubygem = 0;
+     struct Source *sp;
+     rpmCompressedMagic compressed = COMPRESSED_NOT;
+ 
+@@ -158,6 +161,25 @@ static char *doUntar(rpmSpec spec, uint3
+ 
+     fn = rpmGetPath("%{_sourcedir}/", sp->source, NULL);
+ 
++     t = strrchr(sp->source, '.');
++     if(t && !strcasecmp(t, ".gem"))
++        rubygem = 1;
++ 
++     t = stpcpy(taropts, "-x");
++     if(rpmIsVerbose() && !quietly)
++        t = stpcpy(t, "vv");
++     if(rubygem)
++        t = stpcpy(t, "m");
++     t = stpcpy(t, "f");
++
++     if (rubygem) {
++	 rasprintf(&rubygemopts,
++		 "\n"
++		 "if [ -f data.tar.gz ]; then\n"
++		 "  tar %s data.tar.gz\n"
++		 "fi", taropts);
++     }
++
+     /* XXX On non-build parse's, file cannot be stat'd or read */
+     if (!(spec->flags & RPMSPEC_FORCE) && (rpmFileIsCompressed(fn, &compressed) || checkOwners(fn))) {
+ 	goto exit;
+@@ -204,7 +226,7 @@ static char *doUntar(rpmSpec spec, uint3
+ 		"STATUS=$?\n"
+ 		"if [ $STATUS -ne 0 ]; then\n"
+ 		"  exit $STATUS\n"
+-		"fi", zipper, fn, tar, taropts);
++		"fi%s", zipper, fn, tar, taropts, rubygem ? rubygemopts : "");
+ 	} else {
+ 	    rasprintf(&buf, "%s '%s'\n"
+ 		"STATUS=$?\n"
+@@ -214,7 +236,7 @@ static char *doUntar(rpmSpec spec, uint3
+ 	}
+ 	free(zipper);
+     } else {
+-	rasprintf(&buf, "%s %s %s", tar, taropts, fn);
++	rasprintf(&buf, "%s %s %s%s", tar, taropts, fn, rubygem ? rubygemopts : "");
+     }
+ 
+ exit:
+@@ -316,6 +338,20 @@ static int doSetupMacro(rpmSpec spec, co
+ 	free(buf);
+     }
+ 
++    /* check if source is a ruby gem */
++    {   struct Source *sp;
++       for (sp = spec->sources; sp != NULL; sp = sp->next) {
++           if ((sp->flags & RPMBUILD_ISSOURCE) && (sp->num == 0)) {
++               break;
++           }
++       }
++       if (sp != NULL) {
++           char *t = strrchr(sp->source, '.');
++           if(t && !strcasecmp(t, ".gem"))
++               createDir = 1;
++       }
++    }
++
+     /* if necessary, create and cd into the proper dir */
+     if (createDir) {
+ 	buf = rpmExpand("%{__mkdir_p} ", spec->buildSubdir, "\n",
\ No newline at end of file
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+<p><br>
+Le 16 juin 2012 15:14, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As some of you may know, one of the developers left the project that was the maintainer of the python package, as well as many other python modules and python-based software packages.  We need someone new to step up and maintain, at the very least, python, as it&#39;s a critical package.  Help with the other orphaned packages would be great as well.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Currently there are security updates needed for three python packages that I&#39;m aware of.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The python package itself:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; python-django, a module used by transifex (used by translators I think):<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; gajim, a Jabber IM client (needs updated to version 0.15):<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</a></p>
+<p>I can take a look for this last, in the afternoon.</p>
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+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120616/0fb31c4a/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,17 @@
+<p><br>
+Le 16 juin 2012 15:14, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As some of you may know, one of the developers left the project that was the maintainer of the python package, as well as many other python modules and python-based software packages.  We need someone new to step up and maintain, at the very least, python, as it&#39;s a critical package.  Help with the other orphaned packages would be great as well.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Currently there are security updates needed for three python packages that I&#39;m aware of.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The python package itself:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; python-django, a module used by transifex (used by translators I think):<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; gajim, a Jabber IM client (needs updated to version 0.15):<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</a></p>
+<p>I can take a look for this last, in the afternoon.</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120616/de84804d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120616/de84804d/attachment-0001.html
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@@ -0,0 +1,33 @@
+<p><br>
+Le 16 juin 2012 16:34, &quot;Sandro CAZZANIGA&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/6/16 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 16 juin 2012 15:14, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; As some of you may know, one of the developers left the project that was<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; the maintainer of the python package, as well as many other python modules<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; and python-based software packages.  We need someone new to step up and<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; maintain, at the very least, python, as it&#39;s a critical package.  Help with<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; the other orphaned packages would be great as well.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Currently there are security updates needed for three python packages that<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I&#39;m aware of.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; The python package itself:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; python-django, a module used by transifex (used by translators I think):<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; gajim, a Jabber IM client (needs updated to version 0.15):<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I can take a look for this last, in the afternoon.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m currently working on gajim, I take care of it :)</p>
+<p>I&#39;ve sent gajim-0.15 in cauldron, as I said on bugzilla.<br>
+</p>
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@@ -0,0 +1,33 @@
+<p><br>
+Le 16 juin 2012 16:34, &quot;Sandro CAZZANIGA&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/6/16 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 16 juin 2012 15:14, &quot;David Walser&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; As some of you may know, one of the developers left the project that was<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; the maintainer of the python package, as well as many other python modules<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; and python-based software packages.  We need someone new to step up and<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; maintain, at the very least, python, as it&#39;s a critical package.  Help with<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; the other orphaned packages would be great as well.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Currently there are security updates needed for three python packages that<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I&#39;m aware of.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; The python package itself:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; python-django, a module used by transifex (used by translators I think):<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6162</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; gajim, a Jabber IM client (needs updated to version 0.15):<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I can take a look for this last, in the afternoon.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m currently working on gajim, I take care of it :)</p>
+<p>I&#39;ve sent gajim-0.15 in cauldron, as I said on bugzilla.<br>
+</p>
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+Le 18 juin 2012 09:27, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, <a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a> wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Revision: 261308<br>
+&gt; &gt; Author:   shlomif<br>
+&gt; &gt; Date:     2012-06-17 23:48:59 +0200 (Sun, 17 Jun 2012)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Log Message:<br>
+&gt; &gt; -----------<br>
+&gt; &gt; Imported from Fedora RawHide<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Added Paths:<br>
+&gt; &gt; -----------<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/muParser.spec<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/releases/<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This package shouldn&#39;t have been imported. It was already present as<br>
+&gt; &quot;muparser&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+I guess/hope it&#39;s imported like this because muparser 1.34 broke scidavis &amp; qwplot so we stick to 1.32 </p>
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+Le 18 juin 2012 09:27, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, <a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a> wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Revision: 261308<br>
+&gt; &gt; Author:   shlomif<br>
+&gt; &gt; Date:     2012-06-17 23:48:59 +0200 (Sun, 17 Jun 2012)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Log Message:<br>
+&gt; &gt; -----------<br>
+&gt; &gt; Imported from Fedora RawHide<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Added Paths:<br>
+&gt; &gt; -----------<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/current/SPECS/muParser.spec<br>
+&gt; &gt;     cauldron/muParser/releases/<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This package shouldn&#39;t have been imported. It was already present as<br>
+&gt; &quot;muparser&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+I guess/hope it&#39;s imported like this because muparser 1.34 broke scidavis &amp; qwplot so we stick to 1.32 </p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Robert Wood <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:robert.wood@apostrophe.co.uk" target="_blank">robert.wood@apostrophe.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I am [hopefully] now going to have a bit more spare time as my workload is starting to lessen and it would be worth sorting out a mentor for me. I am in the UK.<br>
+<br>
+Rob<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+On 14/06/12 06:41, Simple w wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/6/13 Anne Nicolas&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi :)<br>
+<br>
+Im not understanding how this goes, who should i contact to know who<br>
+can mentor me?<br>
+I see that Sandro proposed to mentor and also Shlomi Fish said that<br>
+could also do it but i havent received any mail in my account saying<br>
+that the mentoring process has started, or its me who needs to do<br>
+something?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Mentoring is based on volunteers and their free time. So be patient<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I have all bumblebee (its dependencies) all packaged, i did asked<br>
+Anssi sometime ago to check them, and he did but there were some<br>
+changes to do.<br>
+Meanwhile i have updated the packages so i ask if someone could review them.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+regards,<br>
+Pedro<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Hey Sandro,</div><div><br></div><div>I looked as some packages that have no maintainer and I think uDev and Wine are some technologies that have fascinated me in Linux. I would like to take one of them over. What do you think?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>BTW, if you are too busy at this time I can always wait or look for another mentor to help me out if you say so. So far I have seen the good intention that you want to mentor but you haven&#39;t had the time to even say &#39;hi&#39;.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>//Agron</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+I am [hopefully] now going to have a bit more spare time as my workload is starting to lessen and it would be worth sorting out a mentor for me. I am in the UK.<br>
+<br>
+Rob<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+On 14/06/12 06:41, Simple w wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/6/13 Anne Nicolas&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi :)<br>
+<br>
+Im not understanding how this goes, who should i contact to know who<br>
+can mentor me?<br>
+I see that Sandro proposed to mentor and also Shlomi Fish said that<br>
+could also do it but i havent received any mail in my account saying<br>
+that the mentoring process has started, or its me who needs to do<br>
+something?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Mentoring is based on volunteers and their free time. So be patient<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I have all bumblebee (its dependencies) all packaged, i did asked<br>
+Anssi sometime ago to check them, and he did but there were some<br>
+changes to do.<br>
+Meanwhile i have updated the packages so i ask if someone could review them.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+regards,<br>
+Pedro<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Hey Sandro,</div><div><br></div><div>I looked as some packages that have no maintainer and I think uDev and Wine are some technologies that have fascinated me in Linux. I would like to take one of them over. What do you think?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>BTW, if you are too busy at this time I can always wait or look for another mentor to help me out if you say so. So far I have seen the good intention that you want to mentor but you haven&#39;t had the time to even say &#39;hi&#39;.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>//Agron</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<p>On Jun 21, 2012 9:10 PM, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; so, there&#39;s 2 options:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - testing i586 with backports enabled<br>
+&gt; - testing x86_64 without backports enabled<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.<br>
+Are you serious?<br>
+I&#39;ve seen bugs were i586 and x86_64 doesn&#39;t work quite the same. Every arch + repo must be tested separately (be it tainted or release, i&#39;m still not mixing backports with updates ... until you promise to do all the testing here and not bother QA;)).<br>
+
+--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+<p>On Jun 21, 2012 9:10 PM, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; so, there&#39;s 2 options:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - testing i586 with backports enabled<br>
+&gt; - testing x86_64 without backports enabled<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; this is still 2 tests, and this is sufficient.<br>
+Are you serious?<br>
+I&#39;ve seen bugs were i586 and x86_64 doesn&#39;t work quite the same. Every arch + repo must be tested separately (be it tainted or release, i&#39;m still not mixing backports with updates ... until you promise to do all the testing here and not bother QA;)).<br>
+
+--<br>
+Sander</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 22 juin 2012 11:16, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Sandro CAZZANIGA at 21/06/12 14:20 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt; &gt; 2012/6/21 AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; 2012/6/21 D.Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; backports are not yet enabled.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Even for 1?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; yes, even for mga1<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Thanks guys.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There is progress on this however. AFAIUI they will hopefully be<br>
+&gt; available &quot;soon&quot; (for various values of soon).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Col<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Thanks Col :)</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Colin Guthrie<br>
+&gt; colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Day Job:<br>
+&gt;  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+&gt; Open Source:<br>
+&gt;  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+&gt;  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+&gt;  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 22 juin 2012 11:16, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Sandro CAZZANIGA at 21/06/12 14:20 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt; &gt; 2012/6/21 AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; 2012/6/21 D.Morgan &lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; backports are not yet enabled.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Even for 1?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; yes, even for mga1<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Thanks guys.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There is progress on this however. AFAIUI they will hopefully be<br>
+&gt; available &quot;soon&quot; (for various values of soon).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Col<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>Thanks Col :)</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Colin Guthrie<br>
+&gt; colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Day Job:<br>
+&gt;  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+&gt; Open Source:<br>
+&gt;  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+&gt;  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+&gt;  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 23 juin 2012 13:50:14, Anne Nicolas a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I'd like to propose this one:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Feel free to comment</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This would make a lot of things easier and allow to concentrate on rock-solid upgrade via mgaapplet (including tainted/non-free issues, and even backports if possible), so I'm all for it. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And as a QA team member I'm twice for it :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 23 juin 2012 13:50:14, Anne Nicolas a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I'd like to propose this one:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Feel free to comment</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This would make a lot of things easier and allow to concentrate on rock-solid upgrade via mgaapplet (including tainted/non-free issues, and even backports if possible), so I'm all for it. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And as a QA team member I'm twice for it :)</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<br>Did it work under QEMU with ARM emulation?
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>----- Original message -----
+<br>&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Armando B. at 26/06/12 17:45 did gyre and gimble:
+<br>&gt; &gt; Hi all :)
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; from 2/3 weeks should arrive my raspberry pi, so i'm available to
+<br>&gt; &gt; perform tests with Mageia Arm porting.
+<br>&gt; &gt; I saw that there is a specific mirror here
+<br>&gt; &gt; <a href="http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/">http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/</a>
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; is there a most recent repository ?
+<br>&gt; &gt; i saw that this repo missing of some packages.
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; Could we try to build Mageia 2 ARM for Raspberry ?
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Mine arrived yesterday so I'd be interested in seeing progress here too.
+<br>&gt; Not sure when I'll find time to actually play with the thing tho'!!!
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; COl
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; -- 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Colin Guthrie
+<br>&gt; colin(at)mageia.org
+<br>&gt; <a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a>
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Day Job:
+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &#32;Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a>
+<br>&gt; Open Source:
+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &#32;Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</a>
+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &#32;PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a>
+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &#32;Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a>
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br><br></p>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<p>
+<br>Did it work under QEMU with ARM emulation?
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>----- Original message -----
+<br>&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Armando B. at 26/06/12 17:45 did gyre and gimble:
+<br>&gt; &gt; Hi all :)
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; from 2/3 weeks should arrive my raspberry pi, so i'm available to
+<br>&gt; &gt; perform tests with Mageia Arm porting.
+<br>&gt; &gt; I saw that there is a specific mirror here
+<br>&gt; &gt; <a href="http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/">http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/</a>
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; is there a most recent repository ?
+<br>&gt; &gt; i saw that this repo missing of some packages.
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; Could we try to build Mageia 2 ARM for Raspberry ?
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Mine arrived yesterday so I'd be interested in seeing progress here too.
+<br>&gt; Not sure when I'll find time to actually play with the thing tho'!!!
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; COl
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; -- 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Colin Guthrie
+<br>&gt; colin(at)mageia.org
+<br>&gt; <a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a>
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Day Job:
+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &#32;Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a>
+<br>&gt; Open Source:
+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &#32;Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</a>
+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &#32;PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a>
+<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &#32;Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a>
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br><br></p>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hello!</span></span><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?). It would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with all their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will install a package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected dicts (en_CA, en_GB ...).<br /> 
+<br /> 
+This seems to be against rules.. but would be a solution. And this seems to be much better than producing (and maintaining!) 1000 packages with single dicts.</span></span><br /> 
+<br /> 
+What do you think?</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hello!</span></span><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?). It would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with all their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will install a package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected dicts (en_CA, en_GB ...).<br /> 
+<br /> 
+This seems to be against rules.. but would be a solution. And this seems to be much better than producing (and maintaining!) 1000 packages with single dicts.</span></span><br /> 
+<br /> 
+What do you think?</span></span>
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+<p><br>
+Le 27 juin 2012 08:16, &quot;Marja van Waes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 27/06/2012 01:38, <a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a> wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?). It<br>
+&gt;&gt; would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with all<br>
+&gt;&gt; their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will install a<br>
+&gt;&gt; package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected dicts<br>
+&gt;&gt; (en_CA, en_GB ...).<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; This seems to be against rules.. but would be a solution. And this seems<br>
+&gt;&gt; to be much better than producing (and maintaining!) 1000 packages with<br>
+&gt;&gt; single dicts.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sounds great, I&#39;m willing to test :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As a workaround for now, can we just remove all<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; /usr/share/hunspell/*.aff<br>
+&gt; /usr/share/hunspell/*.dic<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; except for the ones we want to keep?</p>
+<p>I would like to delete these disctionnaries but i do nt know how, i have 16 varietés of english and i found only a couple of files for english. I think en and en_ca , i am not 100% sure because i am not at home now.<br>
+
+However, if there is a solution to delete manualy the dictionnaries , it is fine for me.</p>
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+Le 27 juin 2012 08:16, &quot;Marja van Waes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 27/06/2012 01:38, <a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a> wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?). It<br>
+&gt;&gt; would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with all<br>
+&gt;&gt; their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will install a<br>
+&gt;&gt; package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected dicts<br>
+&gt;&gt; (en_CA, en_GB ...).<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; This seems to be against rules.. but would be a solution. And this seems<br>
+&gt;&gt; to be much better than producing (and maintaining!) 1000 packages with<br>
+&gt;&gt; single dicts.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; What do you think?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sounds great, I&#39;m willing to test :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As a workaround for now, can we just remove all<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; /usr/share/hunspell/*.aff<br>
+&gt; /usr/share/hunspell/*.dic<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; except for the ones we want to keep?</p>
+<p>I would like to delete these disctionnaries but i do nt know how, i have 16 varietés of english and i found only a couple of files for english. I think en and en_ca , i am not 100% sure because i am not at home now.<br>
+
+However, if there is a solution to delete manualy the dictionnaries , it is fine for me.</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/28 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 01:38:03AM +0200, <a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a> wrote:<br>
+&gt; I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?).<br>
+&gt; It would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with<br>
+&gt; all their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will<br>
+&gt; install a package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected<br>
+&gt; dicts (en_CA, en_GB ...).<br>
+<br>
+</div>How would you be able to select a previously not selected language?<br>
+<br>
+Maybe package differently:<br>
+  /usr/real/spell/something<br>
+and then have links from<br>
+  /usr/spell/something<br>
+to the real languages?<br>
+<br>
+Then you could remove and add languages as you please, plus RPM would be<br>
+more or less happy? Think you can teach it to ignore symlinks with ghost<br>
+maybe?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I filled a bug in KDe bug tracker<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689</a><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/28 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 01:38:03AM +0200, <a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a> wrote:<br>
+&gt; I have got an idea to fix this bug with a new drak tool (DrakSpell?).<br>
+&gt; It would be an assistant with a list of all available languages with<br>
+&gt; all their variants to select and install. And the trick: it will<br>
+&gt; install a package (like hunspell-en) and remove (rm -f) the unselected<br>
+&gt; dicts (en_CA, en_GB ...).<br>
+<br>
+</div>How would you be able to select a previously not selected language?<br>
+<br>
+Maybe package differently:<br>
+  /usr/real/spell/something<br>
+and then have links from<br>
+  /usr/spell/something<br>
+to the real languages?<br>
+<br>
+Then you could remove and add languages as you please, plus RPM would be<br>
+more or less happy? Think you can teach it to ignore symlinks with ghost<br>
+maybe?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I filled a bug in KDe bug tracker<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689</a><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+As per earlier discussions, I am proposing that we target GNOME 3.8 as
+our first all Python 3 release.
+
+Frederic Peters already did the list of modules impacted:
+http://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/reports/python3.html
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+Are there any reasons why we should not do this?
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+As per earlier discussions, I am proposing that we target GNOME 3.8 as
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+
+Frederic Peters already did the list of modules impacted:
+http://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/reports/python3.html
+
+Are there any reasons why we should not do this?
+
+Take care.
+--joanie
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:25:10 Thomas Backlund wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; we have been discussing this many times, and not gotten any</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satisfactory decision to go ahead yet...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sorry for the late reply, but as some of you are aware, I have had some problems replying to Mageia-related mails (which are finally resolved).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; First off, we decided long ago that backports will be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; better supported than during mdv times,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This may be an unfair generalisation.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; meaning security</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and bugfixes and has to pass QA.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In some cases, this is a basic feature of backports. For example, the primary targets of my backports typically ship new releases for any security fix, and bugfixes are typically released in new releases (and only in severe cases do we cherry-pick the bugfix from a new release for a bugfix update).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In the case of samba, openldap etc., my primary motivation for wanting backports is so that we can provide early bugfixes (which in most cases have been well tested by the rest of the upstream community) with less delay than cherry-picking bugfixes, QA, etc.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The other motivation for me, is to make newly packaged software in cauldron available to stable releases. The probability of a security update being required is usually quite low in this case.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Now for references:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * we have the backports policy:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think we are over-engineering everything here.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">See for example:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://www.google.com/search?q=%22main/backports%20openldap-2.4%22%20site:lists.mandriva.com</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">For openldap, since upstream doesn't really look at bugs on old releases, I backported every new release to every version that had a build system available.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In all that time, there was only ever one bug reported on the backports, due to a NMU backport.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * Last discussions started by Stormi:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    * [Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;      https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    * [Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;      https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * It also came up in the discussion about fixing bug 2317:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    * [Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; --search-media</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;       https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; People seem to agree on most things, but there is a few questions</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; that need to be decided how to handle.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Lets start with the summary and suggestion of how to get it started:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (addendum / refinements / important points of current backports policy)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But this is not a committment to always backport every already-backported package.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * packages must always be in cauldron first</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Of course.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * if you want to backport a package someone else is maintainer</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    for, you need to discuss with maintainer first. if he dont</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    want the package to be backported _and_ have valid reasons,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    respect that. (if you disagree, you can still ask council)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * if you backport anything, (regardless if you are the real</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    maintainer or not) you accept the responsibility of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    handling the bugreports against the backport and make sure</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    it gets patched (or upgraded) to get security fixes.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * cherrypicking backports must work, so requires need</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    to be checked and be strict to make sure they work</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Agreed, but it is not critical to QA every possible combination of packages. Users are able to resolve these problems themselves, and report the problem.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * nothing in backports must require the use of &quot;--nodeps&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    or &quot;--force&quot; to get it to install</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * QA will do basic tests to make sure it works and obeys the rules</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * QA can deny package(s) to be backported if it breaks the policy</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * QA has /updates as priority, and /backports will be handled</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    if/when there is time, so if you want faster response, join QA</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    to help out with the workload.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hmm, in many cases, I actually test backports on the stable release myself before submitting them ... I am concerned QA will become a bottle-neck that doesn't necessarily always add much value.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Now a point that got raised during discussion of bug 2317:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * if a backport break because of something ending up in /updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    it's a bug to be reported against the backport (and not against</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    the released update) as packages ending up in /updates are only</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    validated against /release and /updates (and rightfully so as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    thats how they are built too)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And some important points to avoid making backports_testing a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &quot;dumping ground&quot; for package(r)s trying to avoid the policy:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * after submitting anything to backports_testing you have</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    48 hours to file/assign a &quot;Backport to validate&quot; at</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    bugs.mageia.org.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * package needs to be validated within 1 month (or shorter/longer</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    time if QA wants that)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * failure to match any of the two timelimits will get the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    package removed from updates_testing again. (I understand this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    will get some questions, but if we cant get people to help out</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    with QA we might as well never open backports)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I would prefer if we could crowd-source and automate this, otherwise, again, this will be the bottle-neck.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And then the questions we need to decide on:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (substitute mga1/mga2 for any future release...)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 1. Do we support backporting package with higher version</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     than package in the following next mageia release has ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     (meaning if mga1 has v12, and mga2 has v14, is it ok</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;      to backport v16 to mga1?)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As long as it was backported to mga2 first.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     * PRO: more uptodate package in backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     * CON: can cause trouble during distro upgrade</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     * imho both technically ok as long as we make sure</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;       its documented so people know what to expect.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">E.g., if upgrading from mga1 to mga2 and having used backports  after mga2 release, the users should enable backports in mga2 during upgrade, or post-upgrade.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2. If one want to backport a package to mga1, does it mean</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     it must be backported to mga2 in order to preserve</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     upgrade path (unless already in mga2, depending on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     question 1)?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     everyone using backports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What about an update to a backport for a security issue?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2. we cant really require that as the one backporting</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     request that. (in reality, going by how backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     got handled in mdv most backports will end up in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     all supported releases anyway)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Typically, if it backports easily to mga1, it will backport more easily to mga2.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; If we can agree on this as a start, we can open backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; soon so we get actual facts of how backports policy and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; process works.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Then we rewiew backports policy and process in ~6 months,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and adjust it if needed.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Comments? Questions ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think we may want to review this policy one month after we open backports, as I think some pieces in the process/policy may not scale as well as the others.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:25:10 Thomas Backlund wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; we have been discussing this many times, and not gotten any</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satisfactory decision to go ahead yet...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sorry for the late reply, but as some of you are aware, I have had some problems replying to Mageia-related mails (which are finally resolved).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; First off, we decided long ago that backports will be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; better supported than during mdv times,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This may be an unfair generalisation.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; meaning security</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and bugfixes and has to pass QA.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In some cases, this is a basic feature of backports. For example, the primary targets of my backports typically ship new releases for any security fix, and bugfixes are typically released in new releases (and only in severe cases do we cherry-pick the bugfix from a new release for a bugfix update).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In the case of samba, openldap etc., my primary motivation for wanting backports is so that we can provide early bugfixes (which in most cases have been well tested by the rest of the upstream community) with less delay than cherry-picking bugfixes, QA, etc.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The other motivation for me, is to make newly packaged software in cauldron available to stable releases. The probability of a security update being required is usually quite low in this case.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Now for references:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * we have the backports policy:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Backports_policy</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think we are over-engineering everything here.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">See for example:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://www.google.com/search?q=%22main/backports%20openldap-2.4%22%20site:lists.mandriva.com</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">For openldap, since upstream doesn't really look at bugs on old releases, I backported every new release to every version that had a build system available.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In all that time, there was only ever one bug reported on the backports, due to a NMU backport.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * Last discussions started by Stormi:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    * [Mageia-dev] Backports policy clarification (and discussion)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;      https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016265.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    * [Mageia-dev] Proposed Feature:Backports_update_applet</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;      https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016263.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * It also came up in the discussion about fixing bug 2317:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    * [Mageia-dev] bug 2317 revisited: --update option should behave like</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; --search-media</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;       https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016692.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; People seem to agree on most things, but there is a few questions</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; that need to be decided how to handle.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Lets start with the summary and suggestion of how to get it started:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (addendum / refinements / important points of current backports policy)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * backports is supported as long as the rest of the release</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But this is not a committment to always backport every already-backported package.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * packages must always be in cauldron first</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Of course.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * if you want to backport a package someone else is maintainer</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    for, you need to discuss with maintainer first. if he dont</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    want the package to be backported _and_ have valid reasons,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    respect that. (if you disagree, you can still ask council)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * if you backport anything, (regardless if you are the real</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    maintainer or not) you accept the responsibility of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    handling the bugreports against the backport and make sure</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    it gets patched (or upgraded) to get security fixes.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * cherrypicking backports must work, so requires need</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    to be checked and be strict to make sure they work</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Agreed, but it is not critical to QA every possible combination of packages. Users are able to resolve these problems themselves, and report the problem.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * nothing in backports must require the use of &quot;--nodeps&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    or &quot;--force&quot; to get it to install</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * QA will do basic tests to make sure it works and obeys the rules</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * QA can deny package(s) to be backported if it breaks the policy</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * QA has /updates as priority, and /backports will be handled</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    if/when there is time, so if you want faster response, join QA</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    to help out with the workload.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hmm, in many cases, I actually test backports on the stable release myself before submitting them ... I am concerned QA will become a bottle-neck that doesn't necessarily always add much value.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Now a point that got raised during discussion of bug 2317:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * if a backport break because of something ending up in /updates</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    it's a bug to be reported against the backport (and not against</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    the released update) as packages ending up in /updates are only</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    validated against /release and /updates (and rightfully so as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    thats how they are built too)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And some important points to avoid making backports_testing a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &quot;dumping ground&quot; for package(r)s trying to avoid the policy:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * after submitting anything to backports_testing you have</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    48 hours to file/assign a &quot;Backport to validate&quot; at</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    bugs.mageia.org.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * package needs to be validated within 1 month (or shorter/longer</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    time if QA wants that)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; * failure to match any of the two timelimits will get the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    package removed from updates_testing again. (I understand this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    will get some questions, but if we cant get people to help out</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;    with QA we might as well never open backports)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I would prefer if we could crowd-source and automate this, otherwise, again, this will be the bottle-neck.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And then the questions we need to decide on:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (substitute mga1/mga2 for any future release...)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 1. Do we support backporting package with higher version</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     than package in the following next mageia release has ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     (meaning if mga1 has v12, and mga2 has v14, is it ok</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;      to backport v16 to mga1?)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As long as it was backported to mga2 first.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     * PRO: more uptodate package in backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     * CON: can cause trouble during distro upgrade</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     * imho both technically ok as long as we make sure</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;       its documented so people know what to expect.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">E.g., if upgrading from mga1 to mga2 and having used backports  after mga2 release, the users should enable backports in mga2 during upgrade, or post-upgrade.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2. If one want to backport a package to mga1, does it mean</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     it must be backported to mga2 in order to preserve</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     upgrade path (unless already in mga2, depending on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     question 1)?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And since we can continue this what/if discussion forever,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and thereby delay backports even more here is my take on it:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; my suggestions to decide on question 1 and 2:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 1. backporting bigger version to mga1 than mga2 has is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     allowed as it will otherwise restrict backporting</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     too much. (and since its leaf packages, it should</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     not break (too much)). Lets just make it clear to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     everyone using backports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What about an update to a backport for a security issue?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2. we cant really require that as the one backporting</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     the package to mga1 has to backport it to mga2 too</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     as he/she might not be using mga2 at all. if someone</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     wants/needs the backport for mga2, they need to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     request that. (in reality, going by how backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     got handled in mdv most backports will end up in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     all supported releases anyway)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Typically, if it backports easily to mga1, it will backport more easily to mga2.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; If we can agree on this as a start, we can open backports</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; soon so we get actual facts of how backports policy and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; process works.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Then we rewiew backports policy and process in ~6 months,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and adjust it if needed.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Comments? Questions ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think we may want to review this policy one month after we open backports, as I think some pieces in the process/policy may not scale as well as the others.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p><br>
+Le 28 juin 2012 12:24, &quot;Marja van Waes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 28/06/2012 12:05, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I filled a bug in KDe bug tracker<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; With wich applications do you still use aspell?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; After I removed all those links in /usr/share/hunspell/ the list of dictionaries in Kwrite is just as short as in Thunderbird or in Firefox.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; marja<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>I did nt search about hunspell i looked only about aspell til now. I will look about hunspell and its dictionnaries</p>
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+Le 28 juin 2012 12:24, &quot;Marja van Waes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 28/06/2012 12:05, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I filled a bug in KDe bug tracker<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302689</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; With wich applications do you still use aspell?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; After I removed all those links in /usr/share/hunspell/ the list of dictionaries in Kwrite is just as short as in Thunderbird or in Firefox.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; marja<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>I did nt search about hunspell i looked only about aspell til now. I will look about hunspell and its dictionnaries</p>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Guillaume Rousse</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 06/28/12 10:34 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Idea to fix "Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB" mga#6125</span></span></p> 
+	<div> 
+		<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+
+Directly removing file on the system installed by rpm will break rpm 
+assumption than its DB content should match actual filesystem. 
+
+
+</pre> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;Ah, I was affraid of this. So we cannot break the filesystem.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+There is also an additional solution: stop following Fedora and so stop installing symlinks (like "en_US" -&gt; "en_X1", "en_X2", "en_X3" etc). This solution can reduce language variants for most (IIRC all) of languages to 1,2 or 3 dictionaries.</span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Guillaume Rousse</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 06/28/12 10:34 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Idea to fix "Way too many languages to choose from for spell checking in FF and TB" mga#6125</span></span></p> 
+	<div> 
+		<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+
+Directly removing file on the system installed by rpm will break rpm 
+assumption than its DB content should match actual filesystem. 
+
+
+</pre> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;Ah, I was affraid of this. So we cannot break the filesystem.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+There is also an additional solution: stop following Fedora and so stop installing symlinks (like "en_US" -&gt; "en_X1", "en_X2", "en_X3" etc). This solution can reduce language variants for most (IIRC all) of languages to 1,2 or 3 dictionaries.</span></span></span></span>
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+<p></p>
+<p>Le 29 juin 2012 01:01, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is there any plan pushing kde 4.9 rc1 into cauldron? Thanks.</p>
+<p>As said initially the idea was to jump in the 4.9 during beta2 or rc1. However due to a non working computer i&#39;m not able to work on cauldron currently (a working computer is expected in 2 weeks ).<br>
+You can start working on it if you want (this means also upgrading soprano to the current beta, shared desktop ontologies etc..). <br>
+There&#39;s also several changes in kdelibs kde runtime regarding nepomuk which is now also splitted out.<br>
+You should also cherry pick the udisk2 patch from fedora so colin will be happy ;)</p>
+<p>It would be also nice to push everything in the same time to minimize downtime four our ten kde users ;)</p>
+<p>Regards,</p>
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+<p></p>
+<p>Le 29 juin 2012 01:01, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is there any plan pushing kde 4.9 rc1 into cauldron? Thanks.</p>
+<p>As said initially the idea was to jump in the 4.9 during beta2 or rc1. However due to a non working computer i&#39;m not able to work on cauldron currently (a working computer is expected in 2 weeks ).<br>
+You can start working on it if you want (this means also upgrading soprano to the current beta, shared desktop ontologies etc..). <br>
+There&#39;s also several changes in kdelibs kde runtime regarding nepomuk which is now also splitted out.<br>
+You should also cherry pick the udisk2 patch from fedora so colin will be happy ;)</p>
+<p>It would be also nice to push everything in the same time to minimize downtime four our ten kde users ;)</p>
+<p>Regards,</p>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hi!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I am starting to import needed packages for Python 3. I will also add more information to the wiki as it was specified here https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review<br /> 
+<br /> 
+kamil</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hi!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I am starting to import needed packages for Python 3. I will also add more information to the wiki as it was specified here https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review<br /> 
+<br /> 
+kamil</span></span>
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+<div>HI everybody!   :-)</div><div><br></div><div>As suggested in the Mageia wiki here is an email to make some advertising for my feature request for Cauldron3.</div><div><br></div><div>Before Mageia I was using Pardus and in the last version there was a very handy tool introduced:   Quickformat</div>
+
+<div>Maybe it is possible to implement this handy tool into Mageia although it is not longer maintained.</div><div>IMHO those little tools help to break the edges and proof that is is created not only with brain, also with heart.</div>
+<div>Maybe You have to remove some specific pardus code but is should not be a big deal for an expert.  :o)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Here is my proposal request in the wiki:  <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Quickformat" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Quickformat</a></div><div><br></div><div>btw: thanks for all Your outstanding work! Mageia2 is a shining star!</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Stefan</div><div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div>
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+<div>HI everybody!   :-)</div><div><br></div><div>As suggested in the Mageia wiki here is an email to make some advertising for my feature request for Cauldron3.</div><div><br></div><div>Before Mageia I was using Pardus and in the last version there was a very handy tool introduced:   Quickformat</div>
+
+<div>Maybe it is possible to implement this handy tool into Mageia although it is not longer maintained.</div><div>IMHO those little tools help to break the edges and proof that is is created not only with brain, also with heart.</div>
+<div>Maybe You have to remove some specific pardus code but is should not be a big deal for an expert.  :o)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Here is my proposal request in the wiki:  <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Quickformat" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Quickformat</a></div><div><br></div><div>btw: thanks for all Your outstanding work! Mageia2 is a shining star!</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Stefan</div><div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div>
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+Hi devs,<br><br>I know my proposal for Mageia3 was late - maybe too late. Sorry for that.<br><br><br>Anyway it would be nice to get some feedback as....<br><br>[  ] interesting but it seems nobody is willing to jump into this<br>
+[  ] interesting but we don´t have the manpower to do this<br>[  ] nobody is interested in a tool like that<br>[  ] Quickformat is senseless so it is denied<br><br>Even &quot;shut up this is ridiculous&quot; would be an answer   :-)<br>
+<br>Cheers<br><br>
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+Hi devs,<br><br>I know my proposal for Mageia3 was late - maybe too late. Sorry for that.<br><br><br>Anyway it would be nice to get some feedback as....<br><br>[  ] interesting but it seems nobody is willing to jump into this<br>
+[  ] interesting but we don´t have the manpower to do this<br>[  ] nobody is interested in a tool like that<br>[  ] Quickformat is senseless so it is denied<br><br>Even &quot;shut up this is ridiculous&quot; would be an answer   :-)<br>
+<br>Cheers<br><br>
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+&gt;&gt;If this tool is no longer maintained, I think it needs someone who wants to be the maintainer of this software, and setup a code repository<br>
+somewhere.<br>Maintainer is a biiiig word. It is based on Python 2.7, the code is very small and lightweight so it should not be a big effort for an experianced programmer.<br>
+<br>
+&gt;&gt;Do you know why the upstream developers did not continue maintaining it ?<br><br>It seems that the initial developer was a Pardus Linux developer. Unfortunately the Pardus project is stopped and all developers left the department. This is imho the main reason.<br>
+Unfortunately all Pardus technologies depends on other Pardus related technics like Comar and maybe murdur. If anybody will remove these code snippets then it should run anywhere. Im not a programmer but I had some look into the code base and for a professional it should be not be a hard thing to do.<br>
+<br>This little tool is really handy and imho it is too nice and helpful to let it die. It would fit into Mageia perfectly and should help to make mageia more userfriendly for beginners.<br><br>btw.... thanks for Your kind reply  <br>
+<br>
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+&gt;&gt;If this tool is no longer maintained, I think it needs someone who wants to be the maintainer of this software, and setup a code repository<br>
+somewhere.<br>Maintainer is a biiiig word. It is based on Python 2.7, the code is very small and lightweight so it should not be a big effort for an experianced programmer.<br>
+<br>
+&gt;&gt;Do you know why the upstream developers did not continue maintaining it ?<br><br>It seems that the initial developer was a Pardus Linux developer. Unfortunately the Pardus project is stopped and all developers left the department. This is imho the main reason.<br>
+Unfortunately all Pardus technologies depends on other Pardus related technics like Comar and maybe murdur. If anybody will remove these code snippets then it should run anywhere. Im not a programmer but I had some look into the code base and for a professional it should be not be a hard thing to do.<br>
+<br>This little tool is really handy and imho it is too nice and helpful to let it die. It would fit into Mageia perfectly and should help to make mageia more userfriendly for beginners.<br><br>btw.... thanks for Your kind reply  <br>
+<br>
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+<pre>&gt;&gt;&gt;So basically, you want someone else to take the duty of porting some 
+unmaintained code you&#39;re the only one interested in ? Why not volonteer 
+to do the work directly ?<br><br>Hmmmm, I understand what You mean. My request seems to sound rude. Im not sure if Iam the only one who is interested in that tool. When I was beginning to work with Linux I was not sure how to format an external device. Of course now I know it but for beginners this tool would be very helpful and handy.<br>
+<br>Honestly I would love to do the rework by myself. Unfortunately my skills are ending after some little packaging.<br><br>Please dont blame me: this is only a proposal, a feature request. It is a suggestion how Mageia3 could be another step forward. If nobody agrees with that or we cant find anybody who is willing to help then it is okay for me.<br>
+For me it is importand that I tried it.<br><br>Thanks for attention!<br><br><br></pre>
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+<pre>&gt;&gt;&gt;So basically, you want someone else to take the duty of porting some 
+unmaintained code you&#39;re the only one interested in ? Why not volonteer 
+to do the work directly ?<br><br>Hmmmm, I understand what You mean. My request seems to sound rude. Im not sure if Iam the only one who is interested in that tool. When I was beginning to work with Linux I was not sure how to format an external device. Of course now I know it but for beginners this tool would be very helpful and handy.<br>
+<br>Honestly I would love to do the rework by myself. Unfortunately my skills are ending after some little packaging.<br><br>Please dont blame me: this is only a proposal, a feature request. It is a suggestion how Mageia3 could be another step forward. If nobody agrees with that or we cant find anybody who is willing to help then it is okay for me.<br>
+For me it is importand that I tried it.<br><br>Thanks for attention!<br><br><br></pre>
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+<p>Hi all<br>
+I&#39;d  like to inform that we have a new mirror in Italy.<br>
+Just start synchronization today at 15pm.<br>
+I have filled in the <a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org">mirrors.mageia.org</a>.<br>
+I hope that this could increase the Italian community as all initiatives all the team did.</p>
+<p>Cheers<br>
+Stefano</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120710/3bd27319/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120710/3bd27319/attachment.html
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+<p>Hi all<br>
+I&#39;d  like to inform that we have a new mirror in Italy.<br>
+Just start synchronization today at 15pm.<br>
+I have filled in the <a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org">mirrors.mageia.org</a>.<br>
+I hope that this could increase the Italian community as all initiatives all the team did.</p>
+<p>Cheers<br>
+Stefano</p>
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+#!/bin/bash
+
+LIST=slash-bin.txt
+if [ -n "$1" -a -e "$1" ]; then
+  LIST="$1"
+fi
+
+echo "Using file: $LIST" >&2
+
+IFS='
+'
+
+OP=""
+for pkg in $(cat $LIST | cut -d':' -f1 | sort -u); do
+  regexp="^/usr($(cat $LIST | grep "^$pkg:" | cut -d':' -f2 | xargs | sed 's/ /|/g'))\$"
+  file=$(echo $line | cut -d':' -f2)
+
+  echo -n "Checking for conflicts for package $pkg..." >&2
+  conflicts="$(urpmf "$regexp")"
+  if [ -n "$conflicts" ]; then
+    otherconflicts="$(echo "$conflicts" | grep -v "^$pkg:")"
+    if [ -z "$otherconflicts" ]; then
+      echo " self" >&2
+      OP="${OP}$pkg:self\n"
+    else
+      otherpkgs=$(echo "$otherconflicts" | cut -d':' -f1 | sort -u | xargs)
+      echo " $otherpkgs" >&2
+      OP="${OP}$pkg:$otherpkgs\n"
+    fi
+  else
+    echo " none" >&2
+  fi
+done
+
+echo -e "$OP"
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+#!/bin/bash
+
+LIST=slash-bin.txt
+if [ -n "$1" -a -e "$1" ]; then
+  LIST="$1"
+fi
+
+echo "Using file: $LIST" >&2
+
+IFS='
+'
+
+OP=""
+for pkg in $(cat $LIST | cut -d':' -f1 | sort -u); do
+  regexp="^/usr($(cat $LIST | grep "^$pkg:" | cut -d':' -f2 | xargs | sed 's/ /|/g'))\$"
+  file=$(echo $line | cut -d':' -f2)
+
+  echo -n "Checking for conflicts for package $pkg..." >&2
+  conflicts="$(urpmf "$regexp")"
+  if [ -n "$conflicts" ]; then
+    otherconflicts="$(echo "$conflicts" | grep -v "^$pkg:")"
+    if [ -z "$otherconflicts" ]; then
+      echo " self" >&2
+      OP="${OP}$pkg:self\n"
+    else
+      otherpkgs=$(echo "$otherconflicts" | cut -d':' -f1 | sort -u | xargs)
+      echo " $otherpkgs" >&2
+      OP="${OP}$pkg:$otherpkgs\n"
+    fi
+  else
+    echo " none" >&2
+  fi
+done
+
+echo -e "$OP"
\ No newline at end of file
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Oliver Burger</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/11/12 04:27 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?</span></span></p> 
+	<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+
+_If_ I find some others who'd like to help me, I would take the python 
+stuff... 
+
+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca 
+
+Mageia contributor 
+</pre> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<span id="editor_signature">I can help with Django. And Python3 packages and subpackages.<br /> 
+<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span><br /> 
+kamil</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Oliver Burger</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/11/12 04:27 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?</span></span></p> 
+	<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+
+_If_ I find some others who'd like to help me, I would take the python 
+stuff... 
+
+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca 
+
+Mageia contributor 
+</pre> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<span id="editor_signature">I can help with Django. And Python3 packages and subpackages.<br /> 
+<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span><br /> 
+kamil</span></span>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:34:02 David Walser wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Guillaume Rousse wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; everyone.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Nobody is in charge, which is part of the problem.  I think a lot of us</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; packagers come from Mandriva where we were used to Oden being in charge of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; updates for stable distros, and therefore not having to worry about it.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">While Mandriva had a security team (before Oden, Stew, and before that Stew and Vince). However, that doesn't mean you never had to worry about anything.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; We</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; are a community distro, we have no paid security manager.  It is all of our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; responsibility to do security updates for stable distros.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As far as what kind of help is expected, it varies per bug really.  Some of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; them have maintainers that might want to give input.  Some I would like to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; know from someone else more experienced or who has more at stake in a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; package how to handle an update when there are choices.  Sometimes other</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; distros have pushed an updated (bugfix-only) version, or patched other bugs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; as well, rather than just patched the security bug.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">IMHO, for a security, the priority is to get the patched binaries out to vulnerable users as soon as possible.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If there is a pre-existing minor issue with the originally released package which an experienced user of the software in question can get around without any problems, a separate bug should be filed, but the minor issue should *NEVER* delay the update.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If the software doesn't start with the default config, the user isn't vulnerable, and we can take more time to fix their problem.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If the admin has fixed the default config issue, then THEY ARE VULNERABLE. For *SECURITY* bugs, addressing their vulnerability is the priority.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Otherwise, we may as well not distinguish between bugfix and security updates.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">My expectation is that:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1)Old security fixes should have the highest priority</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2)Any new security fix should have higher priority than any bugfix</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3)Security updates should be provided within 1 week max</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, QA team doesn't have enough resources. Guess what, neither do other teams. But, for me, it was frustrating to dedicate time (when I really didn't have it) to provide packages within 48 hours (24 for Mageia 2), and then have a 3-4 week delay in validation, mainly because of some minor pre-existing issues with the Mageia 1 package (which had been solved in the Mageia 2 relase package).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:34:02 David Walser wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Guillaume Rousse wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; everyone.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Nobody is in charge, which is part of the problem.  I think a lot of us</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; packagers come from Mandriva where we were used to Oden being in charge of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; updates for stable distros, and therefore not having to worry about it.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">While Mandriva had a security team (before Oden, Stew, and before that Stew and Vince). However, that doesn't mean you never had to worry about anything.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; We</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; are a community distro, we have no paid security manager.  It is all of our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; responsibility to do security updates for stable distros.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As far as what kind of help is expected, it varies per bug really.  Some of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; them have maintainers that might want to give input.  Some I would like to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; know from someone else more experienced or who has more at stake in a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; package how to handle an update when there are choices.  Sometimes other</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; distros have pushed an updated (bugfix-only) version, or patched other bugs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; as well, rather than just patched the security bug.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">IMHO, for a security, the priority is to get the patched binaries out to vulnerable users as soon as possible.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If there is a pre-existing minor issue with the originally released package which an experienced user of the software in question can get around without any problems, a separate bug should be filed, but the minor issue should *NEVER* delay the update.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If the software doesn't start with the default config, the user isn't vulnerable, and we can take more time to fix their problem.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If the admin has fixed the default config issue, then THEY ARE VULNERABLE. For *SECURITY* bugs, addressing their vulnerability is the priority.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Otherwise, we may as well not distinguish between bugfix and security updates.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">My expectation is that:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1)Old security fixes should have the highest priority</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2)Any new security fix should have higher priority than any bugfix</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3)Security updates should be provided within 1 week max</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, QA team doesn't have enough resources. Guess what, neither do other teams. But, for me, it was frustrating to dedicate time (when I really didn't have it) to provide packages within 48 hours (24 for Mageia 2), and then have a 3-4 week delay in validation, mainly because of some minor pre-existing issues with the Mageia 1 package (which had been solved in the Mageia 2 relase package).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+Subject: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+From: Nelson Marques &lt;nmo.marques@gmail.com&gt;
+To: osuse-factory &lt;opensuse-factory@opensuse.org&gt;
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+Coolo,
+
+I know this is going to enable you in 'Wrath of God' mode, but
+nevertheless I have to do it... There's a lot of reports from Cinnamon
+not being working with proprietary drivers, it does with open source
+drivers. To be honest, though it's just two packages, it's something
+not worth the trouble to maintain... here's why:
+
+ 1) We have 2 GNOME releases per cycle; this means 2 completly
+different cinnamon's for every cycle;
+ 2) Upstream development isn't either as active as we would like,
+neither has been receptive to bugs outside Ubuntu/Debian; this is good
+enough to drop this packages on the spot...
+ 3) Fedora and openSUSE have been having a few issues with prelinking;
+I can't fix this, goes way over the stuff I know.
+ 4) Fedora has a lot of people trying to block cinnamon from being
+available in Fedora due to how upstream is doing the development....
+
+This to say... either someone takes cinnamon or it dies right here and
+right now. I don't have time to go on crazy wild goose chases... and
+maybe it's time to stop the crazy non-sense stuff I've been doing and
+dedicate myself to hunting, which at least does provide food :)
+
+I'm going to vaporize cinnamon and request deletion from Factory if
+there are no objections and never look to the thing again :)
+
+
+
+-- 
+Nelson Marques
+// I've stopped trying to understand sandwiches with a third piece of
+bread in the middle...
+-- 
+To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org
+To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
+
+]
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+Subject: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+From: Nelson Marques &lt;nmo.marques@gmail.com&gt;
+To: osuse-factory &lt;opensuse-factory@opensuse.org&gt;
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+
+Coolo,
+
+I know this is going to enable you in 'Wrath of God' mode, but
+nevertheless I have to do it... There's a lot of reports from Cinnamon
+not being working with proprietary drivers, it does with open source
+drivers. To be honest, though it's just two packages, it's something
+not worth the trouble to maintain... here's why:
+
+ 1) We have 2 GNOME releases per cycle; this means 2 completly
+different cinnamon's for every cycle;
+ 2) Upstream development isn't either as active as we would like,
+neither has been receptive to bugs outside Ubuntu/Debian; this is good
+enough to drop this packages on the spot...
+ 3) Fedora and openSUSE have been having a few issues with prelinking;
+I can't fix this, goes way over the stuff I know.
+ 4) Fedora has a lot of people trying to block cinnamon from being
+available in Fedora due to how upstream is doing the development....
+
+This to say... either someone takes cinnamon or it dies right here and
+right now. I don't have time to go on crazy wild goose chases... and
+maybe it's time to stop the crazy non-sense stuff I've been doing and
+dedicate myself to hunting, which at least does provide food :)
+
+I'm going to vaporize cinnamon and request deletion from Factory if
+there are no objections and never look to the thing again :)
+
+
+
+-- 
+Nelson Marques
+// I've stopped trying to understand sandwiches with a third piece of
+bread in the middle...
+-- 
+To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org
+To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
+
+]
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/17 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 08:22:00 Nicolas Lécureuil a écrit :<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Everytime i start k3b i get this message:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.<br>
+&gt; &gt; K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you<br>
+&gt; &gt; will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux<br>
+&gt; &gt; distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding<br>
+&gt; &gt; library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may<br>
+&gt; &gt; already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).<br>
+&gt; &gt; Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online<br>
+&gt; &gt; update tool.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; regards,<br>
+&gt; &gt; PEdro<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; Nicolas.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>there is already a tainted section in k3b in fact.<br>
+<br>
+which k3b have you installed ?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>I suppose that the lame is already installed (?)<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/17 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 08:22:00 Nicolas Lécureuil a écrit :<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Everytime i start k3b i get this message:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.<br>
+&gt; &gt; K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you<br>
+&gt; &gt; will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux<br>
+&gt; &gt; distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding<br>
+&gt; &gt; library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may<br>
+&gt; &gt; already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).<br>
+&gt; &gt; Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online<br>
+&gt; &gt; update tool.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; regards,<br>
+&gt; &gt; PEdro<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; Nicolas.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>there is already a tainted section in k3b in fact.<br>
+<br>
+which k3b have you installed ?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>I suppose that the lame is already installed (?)<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+Subject: [Bug 6569] [New] Missing unoconv dependency in gnome-documents
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+
+https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6569
+
+           Summary: Missing unoconv dependency in gnome-documents
+           Product: Mageia
+           Version: 2
+          Platform: x86_64
+        OS/Version: Linux
+            Status: NEW
+          Severity: normal
+          Priority: Normal
+         Component: RPM Packages
+        AssignedTo: olav@vitters.nl
+        ReportedBy: reinout@gmail.com
+       RPM Package: gnome-documents-0.4.1-1.mga2.src.rpm
+
+
+Description of problem:
+
+When using gnome-documents to preview an ODS file, I get an error saying
+&quot;Couldn't find unoconv, check if LibreOffice is correctly installed&quot;
+Installing unoconv solves the problem.
+
+Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
+0.4.1
+
+How reproducible:
+Always
+
+Steps to Reproduce:
+1. In Activities, type the first characters of a ODS spreadsheet filename
+2. Click the result
+
+Expected result: gnome-documents shows a preview
+Actual result: error message
+
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+Subject: [Bug 6569] [New] Missing unoconv dependency in gnome-documents
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+https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6569
+
+           Summary: Missing unoconv dependency in gnome-documents
+           Product: Mageia
+           Version: 2
+          Platform: x86_64
+        OS/Version: Linux
+            Status: NEW
+          Severity: normal
+          Priority: Normal
+         Component: RPM Packages
+        AssignedTo: olav@vitters.nl
+        ReportedBy: reinout@gmail.com
+       RPM Package: gnome-documents-0.4.1-1.mga2.src.rpm
+
+
+Description of problem:
+
+When using gnome-documents to preview an ODS file, I get an error saying
+&quot;Couldn't find unoconv, check if LibreOffice is correctly installed&quot;
+Installing unoconv solves the problem.
+
+Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
+0.4.1
+
+How reproducible:
+Always
+
+Steps to Reproduce:
+1. In Activities, type the first characters of a ODS spreadsheet filename
+2. Click the result
+
+Expected result: gnome-documents shows a preview
+Actual result: error message
+
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: David Walser</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/24/12 06:58 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Thomas Spuhler &lt;thomas@...&gt; writes: 
+&gt; Are you working on upgrading boost? 
+
+No, I just recently built a security update for boost, which is why 
+I noticed this.</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	<br /> 
+	Boost is mine, so I will update and fix the noarch package.<br /> 
+	<br /> 
+	kamil</p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: David Walser</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/24/12 06:58 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: mageia-dev@mageia.org</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Thomas Spuhler &lt;thomas@...&gt; writes: 
+&gt; Are you working on upgrading boost? 
+
+No, I just recently built a security update for boost, which is why 
+I noticed this.</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	<br /> 
+	Boost is mine, so I will update and fix the noarch package.<br /> 
+	<br /> 
+	kamil</p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Oliver Burger</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/13/12 08:41 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Am 12.07.2012 23:08, schrieb n54@gmx.com: 
+&gt; 
+&gt; I can help with Django. And Python3 packages and subpackages. 
+&gt; 
+Good to hear that. 
+I was hoping you'd say so. 
+I took python, python-django and python3 as maintainer but not the 
+python-django sub packages. 
+Should I take them officially as well, and just cc you and others in 
+case of bug reports or work overload on my side? 
+
+Oliver</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	<br /> 
+	<span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hi! Please take them as well and send CC in Bugzilla.<br /> 
+	<br /> 
+	kamil</span></span></p> 
+</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Oliver Burger</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/13/12 08:41 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Am 12.07.2012 23:08, schrieb n54@gmx.com: 
+&gt; 
+&gt; I can help with Django. And Python3 packages and subpackages. 
+&gt; 
+Good to hear that. 
+I was hoping you'd say so. 
+I took python, python-django and python3 as maintainer but not the 
+python-django sub packages. 
+Should I take them officially as well, and just cc you and others in 
+case of bug reports or work overload on my side? 
+
+Oliver</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	<br /> 
+	<span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="font-size:12px;">Hi! Please take them as well and send CC in Bugzilla.<br /> 
+	<br /> 
+	kamil</span></span></p> 
+</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'><br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Thomas Spuhler</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/25/12 06:06 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)</span></span></p> 
+	<div> 
+		<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+
+
+BTW, don't use cmake for build, it will not :) 
+
+-- 
+Best regards 
+Thomas Spuhler 
+</pre> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<span id="editor_signature">Hi!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I am building the newest Boost with the upstream builder.. but I need some time to investigate closer all files &amp; subpackages. Please be patient.<br /> 
+<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span><br /> 
+kamil</span></span>
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+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Thomas Spuhler</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/25/12 06:06 AM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)</span></span></p> 
+	<div> 
+		<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+
+
+BTW, don't use cmake for build, it will not :) 
+
+-- 
+Best regards 
+Thomas Spuhler 
+</pre> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<span id="editor_signature">Hi!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I am building the newest Boost with the upstream builder.. but I need some time to investigate closer all files &amp; subpackages. Please be patient.<br /> 
+<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span><br /> 
+kamil</span></span>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/28 Anssi Hannula <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anssi@mageia.org" target="_blank">anssi@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+Submitted to cooker,mga2,mga1, update request here:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892</a><br>
+<br>
+I also added support for konqueror and opera into the workaround.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anssi Hannula<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for including these two browsers, i use konqueror and my wife uses opera<br>:) <br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br>
+<br>
+Submitted to cooker,mga2,mga1, update request here:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892</a><br>
+<br>
+I also added support for konqueror and opera into the workaround.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anssi Hannula<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for including these two browsers, i use konqueror and my wife uses opera<br>:) <br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+  <body >
+
+
+
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+  
+  
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+
+
+
+
+<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="font-family:Arial;" width="550">
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+    <table width="1" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:10px;font-size:10px;line-height:10px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table>
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+  <tr><td>
+    <table width="1" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:10px;font-size:10px;line-height:10px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table>
+  </td></tr>
+</table>
+
+<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="font-family:Arial;border:solid 1px #DDDDDD;-moz-border-radius:5px;-webkit-border-radius:5px;border-radius:5px;" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" width="550"><tr><td colspan="3"><table width="1" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:15px;font-size:15px;line-height:15px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td width="1%"><table width="15" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:0px;font-size:0px;line-height:0px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table></td><td width="98%" valign="top" align="">
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+        <td width="50" rowspan="3" valign="top">
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+        </td>
+        <td rowspan="3"><table width="1" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:0px;font-size:0px;line-height:0px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table></td>
+      <td style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px">
+        <div>
+          <b style="font-size:16px;margin-right:12px">De Fabrice Facorat</b>
+        </div>
+           <table width="1" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:6px;font-size:6px;line-height:6px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table>
+           <div style="color:#666666">Sysadmin chez Orange Business Services: Enablers Portal, PNS team</div>
+            <div style="color:#666666">R&#xe9;gion de Nice , France</div>
+        <table width="1" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table>
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+          <td style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px">
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+              Mageia,<br/>
+<br/>
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+<br/>
+Fabrice
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>OK, Funda was quicker.. I was to busy to finish it immediately.<br /> 
+<br /> 
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+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Thomas Spuhler</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/26/12 04:07 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 05:13:37 PM n54@gmx.com wrote: 
+&gt; ----- Original Message ----- 
+&gt; From: Thomas Spuhler 
+&gt; Sent: 07/25/12 06:06 AM 
+&gt; To: Mageia development mailing-list 
+&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586) 
+&gt; 
+&gt;  BTW, don't use cmake for build, it will not :) -- Best regards Thomas 
+&gt; Spuhler Hi! 
+&gt; 
+&gt;  I am building the newest Boost with the upstream builder.. but I need some 
+&gt; time to investigate closer all files &amp; subpackages. Please be patient. 
+&gt; 
+&gt;  kamil 
+You will also need to patch the xtime.hpp file 
+There is a "}" at almost the end that shouldn't be there 
+-- 
+Best regards 
+Thomas Spuhler</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>OK, Funda was quicker.. I was to busy to finish it immediately.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Thomas Spuhler</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 07/26/12 04:07 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 05:13:37 PM n54@gmx.com wrote: 
+&gt; ----- Original Message ----- 
+&gt; From: Thomas Spuhler 
+&gt; Sent: 07/25/12 06:06 AM 
+&gt; To: Mageia development mailing-list 
+&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586) 
+&gt; 
+&gt;  BTW, don't use cmake for build, it will not :) -- Best regards Thomas 
+&gt; Spuhler Hi! 
+&gt; 
+&gt;  I am building the newest Boost with the upstream builder.. but I need some 
+&gt; time to investigate closer all files &amp; subpackages. Please be patient. 
+&gt; 
+&gt;  kamil 
+You will also need to patch the xtime.hpp file 
+There is a "}" at almost the end that shouldn't be there 
+-- 
+Best regards 
+Thomas Spuhler</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 05:29:55 fwang wrote:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3-21.mga3:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; + Revision: 277136</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - obsolete db5.2 in favour of db5.3</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Funda,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Before you push a change like this, you should ensure you aren't going to break people's machines and make cauldron uninstallable.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 05:29:55 fwang wrote:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3-21.mga3:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; + Revision: 277136</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - obsolete db5.2 in favour of db5.3</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Funda,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Before you push a change like this, you should ensure you aren't going to break people's machines and make cauldron uninstallable.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:34:17 Charles A Edwards wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The following is a list of the apps which still require</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libdb-5.2.so()/(64bit) that need a rebuild for db5.3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; apr-util-dbm-db</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-client</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-modules</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-modules-extra</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-murder</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-nntp</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-utils</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-sasl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; dsniff</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-data-server</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-exchange</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-exchange</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; heimdal-libs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; hotkeys</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; inn</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; iproute2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64ebackend1.2_4</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libreoffice-core</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libreoffice-core</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mutt</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mutt-utf8</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; netatalk</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ocaml-dbm</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ocaml-ocsigenserver</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; openldap-servers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; pam_abl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-BDB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-BerkeleyDB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-Cyrus</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-DB_File</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; php-dba</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; poedit</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; python</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ruby-bdb</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satsolver-demo</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satsolver-tools</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; sendmail</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; squid</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; squidguard</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Warning: If you have any of the above installed and have task-obsolete</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; installed it Will remove the above listed apps.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why? Isn't that a bit premature? Especially considering it seems almost everyone will have perl and task-obsolete (I didn't ask for it, and I have it). IOW, this will break any systems where users aren't looking carefully.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:34:17 Charles A Edwards wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The following is a list of the apps which still require</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libdb-5.2.so()/(64bit) that need a rebuild for db5.3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; apr-util-dbm-db</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-client</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-modules</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-modules-extra</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-murder</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-nntp</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-utils</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-sasl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; dsniff</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-data-server</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-exchange</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-exchange</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; heimdal-libs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; hotkeys</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; inn</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; iproute2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64ebackend1.2_4</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libreoffice-core</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libreoffice-core</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mutt</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mutt-utf8</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; netatalk</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ocaml-dbm</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ocaml-ocsigenserver</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; openldap-servers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; pam_abl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-BDB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-BerkeleyDB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-Cyrus</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-DB_File</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; php-dba</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; poedit</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; python</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ruby-bdb</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satsolver-demo</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satsolver-tools</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; sendmail</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; squid</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; squidguard</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Warning: If you have any of the above installed and have task-obsolete</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; installed it Will remove the above listed apps.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why? Isn't that a bit premature? Especially considering it seems almost everyone will have perl and task-obsolete (I didn't ask for it, and I have it). IOW, this will break any systems where users aren't looking carefully.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 05:29:55 fwang wrote:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3-21.mga3:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; + Revision: 277136</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - obsolete db5.2 in favour of db5.3</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Funda,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Before you push a change like this, you should ensure you aren't going to break people's machines and make cauldron uninstallable.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 05:29:55 fwang wrote:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3-21.mga3:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; + Revision: 277136</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - obsolete db5.2 in favour of db5.3</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Funda,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Before you push a change like this, you should ensure you aren't going to break people's machines and make cauldron uninstallable.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:34:17 Charles A Edwards wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The following is a list of the apps which still require</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libdb-5.2.so()/(64bit) that need a rebuild for db5.3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; apr-util-dbm-db</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-client</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-modules</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-modules-extra</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-murder</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-nntp</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-utils</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-sasl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; dsniff</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-data-server</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-exchange</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-exchange</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; heimdal-libs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; hotkeys</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; inn</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; iproute2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64ebackend1.2_4</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libreoffice-core</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libreoffice-core</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mutt</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mutt-utf8</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; netatalk</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ocaml-dbm</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ocaml-ocsigenserver</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; openldap-servers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; pam_abl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-BDB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-BerkeleyDB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-Cyrus</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-DB_File</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; php-dba</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; poedit</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; python</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ruby-bdb</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satsolver-demo</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satsolver-tools</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; sendmail</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; squid</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; squidguard</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Warning: If you have any of the above installed and have task-obsolete</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; installed it Will remove the above listed apps.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why? Isn't that a bit premature? Especially considering it seems almost everyone will have perl and task-obsolete (I didn't ask for it, and I have it). IOW, this will break any systems where users aren't looking carefully.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:34:17 Charles A Edwards wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The following is a list of the apps which still require</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libdb-5.2.so()/(64bit) that need a rebuild for db5.3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; apr-util-dbm-db</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-client</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-modules</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; c-icap-modules-extra</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-murder</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-nntp</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-imapd-utils</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cyrus-sasl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; dsniff</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-data-server</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-exchange</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; evolution-exchange</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; heimdal-libs</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; hotkeys</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; inn</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; iproute2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64ebackend1.2_4</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libreoffice-core</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libreoffice-core</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mutt</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mutt-utf8</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; netatalk</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ocaml-dbm</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ocaml-ocsigenserver</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; openldap-servers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; pam_abl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-BDB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-BerkeleyDB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-Cyrus</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; perl-DB_File</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; php-dba</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; poedit</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; python</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ruby-bdb</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satsolver-demo</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; satsolver-tools</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; sendmail</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; squid</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; squidguard</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Warning: If you have any of the above installed and have task-obsolete</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; installed it Will remove the above listed apps.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why? Isn't that a bit premature? Especially considering it seems almost everyone will have perl and task-obsolete (I didn't ask for it, and I have it). IOW, this will break any systems where users aren't looking carefully.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:; background-color:; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Olivier,<br><br>I've got the same behaviour.<br>If I accept, I have: <br>L'installation a échoué&nbsp;:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; paquetage glibc-6:2.16-8.mga3.i586 déjà installé<br><br>Regards,<br>trem<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 7 août 2012 18h33<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> [Mageia-dev] strange
+ urpmi --auto-update with glibc<br> </font> </div> <br>Hello,<br><br>Am I the only one to have such behavior:<br><br>[root@apus olivier]# LC_ALL=C urpmi --auto-update<br>The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:<br>glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64<br> (in order to install glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64) (y/N)<br><br>If I accept the transaction fails saying glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64 is<br>already installed, obviously.<br><br>Regards.<br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:; background-color:; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Olivier,<br><br>I've got the same behaviour.<br>If I accept, I have: <br>L'installation a échoué&nbsp;:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; paquetage glibc-6:2.16-8.mga3.i586 déjà installé<br><br>Regards,<br>trem<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mardi 7 août 2012 18h33<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> [Mageia-dev] strange
+ urpmi --auto-update with glibc<br> </font> </div> <br>Hello,<br><br>Am I the only one to have such behavior:<br><br>[root@apus olivier]# LC_ALL=C urpmi --auto-update<br>The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:<br>glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64<br> (in order to install glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64) (y/N)<br><br>If I accept the transaction fails saying glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64 is<br>already installed, obviously.<br><br>Regards.<br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+                         streq(args[0], "daemon-reexec") ? "Reexecute" :
+                         streq(args[0], "reset-failed")  ? "ResetFailed" :
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+                         streq(args[0], "poweroff")      ? "PowerOff" :
+                         streq(args[0], "reboot")        ? "Reboot" :
+                         streq(args[0], "kexec")         ? "KExec" :
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+Subject: Rebuild failed on x86_64 for @280102:openvpn-2.2.2-6.mga3.src.rpm 
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+Subject: Rebuild failed on x86_64 for @280102:openvpn-2.2.2-6.mga3.src.rpm 
+Message-ID: &lt;20120809050006.09F2840923@valstar.mageia.org&gt;
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+Build of the following packages failed:
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+- @280102:openvpn-2.2.2-6.mga3.src.rpm
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+Failure details available in http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120809045928.dlucio.valstar.14318/log
+Reason:
+@280102:openvpn-2.2.2-6.mga3.src.rpm: build_failure
+
+Log files generated:
+http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120809045928.dlucio.valstar.14318/log/openvpn-2.2.2-6.mga3/install_deps-1.0.20120809045929.log
+http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120809045928.dlucio.valstar.14318/log/openvpn-2.2.2-6.mga3/rpm_qa.0.20120809045929.log
+http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120809045928.dlucio.valstar.14318/log/openvpn-2.2.2-6.mga3/build.0.20120809045929.log
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+@@ -3279,9 +3279,6 @@ Urpm_spec2srcheader(specfile)
+     header = rpmSpecSourceHeader(spec);
+     SV *sv_pkg;
+     pkg = (URPM__Package)calloc(1, sizeof(struct s_Package));
+-    headerPutString(header, RPMTAG_SOURCERPM, "");
+-      /* parseSpec() sets RPMTAG_ARCH to %{_target_cpu} whereas we really a header similar to .src.rpm header */
+-    headerPutString(header, RPMTAG_ARCH, "src");
+     pkg->h = headerLink(header);
+     sv_pkg = sv_newmortal();
+     sv_setref_pv(sv_pkg, "URPM::Package", (void*)pkg);
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+     header = rpmSpecSourceHeader(spec);
+     SV *sv_pkg;
+     pkg = (URPM__Package)calloc(1, sizeof(struct s_Package));
+-    headerPutString(header, RPMTAG_SOURCERPM, "");
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+-    headerPutString(header, RPMTAG_ARCH, "src");
+     pkg->h = headerLink(header);
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+--- a/URPM.xs
++++ b/URPM.xs
+@@ -3279,6 +3279,7 @@ Urpm_spec2srcheader(specfile)
+     pkg = (URPM__Package)calloc(1, sizeof(struct s_Package));
+     headerPutString(header, RPMTAG_SOURCERPM, "");
+       /* parseSpec() sets RPMTAG_ARCH to %{_target_cpu} whereas we really a header similar to .src.rpm header */
++    headerDel(header, RPMTAG_ARCH);
+     headerPutString(header, RPMTAG_ARCH, "src");
+     pkg->h = headerLink(header);
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+@@ -3279,6 +3279,7 @@ Urpm_spec2srcheader(specfile)
+     pkg = (URPM__Package)calloc(1, sizeof(struct s_Package));
+     headerPutString(header, RPMTAG_SOURCERPM, "");
+       /* parseSpec() sets RPMTAG_ARCH to %{_target_cpu} whereas we really a header similar to .src.rpm header */
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+     headerPutString(header, RPMTAG_ARCH, "src");
+     pkg->h = headerLink(header);
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+Hi all.<br>I&#39;am Bersuit a novice packager<span lang="en"><span></span><span></span></span>. <span lang="en"><span>I&#39;am working  in taglib-sharp update<br></span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">I have problems with</span></span>  the location of mono lib files<br>
+<br> %files<br> %defattr(-, root, root)<br> %doc AUTHORS NEWS README<br>-%{_libexecdir}/mono/taglib-sharp<br>-%{_libexecdir}/mono/gac/taglib-sharp<br>-%{_libexecdir}/mono/gac/policy.2.0.taglib-sharp<br>+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/taglib-sharp<br>
++%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/taglib-sharp<br>+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/policy.2.0.taglib-sharp<br><br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">If use in the spec </span></span>%{_libdir} o %{libexecdir} <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">x64</span> <span class="hps">does not compile (/usr/lib vs /usr/lib64)<br>
+</span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps alt-edited">to prevent problems</span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps"> use %{_prefix}/lib,  </span></span>rpmlint is not happy with this and generates an error <br>
+<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What is</span> <span class="hps">the mageia policy ?</span><span class="hps"></span></span><br> <br>The fedora wiki . <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">does not help me</span></span> :-)<br>
+<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Mono#rpmlint_and_mono_packages">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Mono#rpmlint_and_mono_packages</a><br><br><br>Best regards.<br><br>
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+Hi all.<br>I&#39;am Bersuit a novice packager<span lang="en"><span></span><span></span></span>. <span lang="en"><span>I&#39;am working  in taglib-sharp update<br></span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">I have problems with</span></span>  the location of mono lib files<br>
+<br> %files<br> %defattr(-, root, root)<br> %doc AUTHORS NEWS README<br>-%{_libexecdir}/mono/taglib-sharp<br>-%{_libexecdir}/mono/gac/taglib-sharp<br>-%{_libexecdir}/mono/gac/policy.2.0.taglib-sharp<br>+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/taglib-sharp<br>
++%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/taglib-sharp<br>+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/policy.2.0.taglib-sharp<br><br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">If use in the spec </span></span>%{_libdir} o %{libexecdir} <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">x64</span> <span class="hps">does not compile (/usr/lib vs /usr/lib64)<br>
+</span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps alt-edited">to prevent problems</span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps"> use %{_prefix}/lib,  </span></span>rpmlint is not happy with this and generates an error <br>
+<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What is</span> <span class="hps">the mageia policy ?</span><span class="hps"></span></span><br> <br>The fedora wiki . <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">does not help me</span></span> :-)<br>
+<a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Mono#rpmlint_and_mono_packages">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Mono#rpmlint_and_mono_packages</a><br><br><br>Best regards.<br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 11 août 2012 21:38:35 Bersuit Vera a écrit :<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi all.<br />I'am Bersuit a novice packager. I'am working  in taglib-sharp update<br /><a name="result_box"></a>I have problems with  the location of mono lib files<br /><br /> %files<br /> %defattr(-, root, root)<br /> %doc AUTHORS NEWS README<br />-%{_libexecdir}/mono/taglib-sharp<br />-%{_libexecdir}/mono/gac/taglib-sharp<br />-%{_libexecdir}/mono/gac/policy.2.0.taglib-sharp<br />+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/taglib-sharp<br />+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/taglib-sharp<br />+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/policy.2.0.taglib-sharp<br /><br /><br /><a name="result_box"></a>If use in the spec %{_libdir} o %{libexecdir} <a name="result_box"></a>x64 does not compile (/usr/lib vs /usr/lib64)<br /><a name="result_box"></a>to prevent problems<a name="result_box"></a> use %{_prefix}/lib,  rpmlint is not happy with this and generates an error <br /><a name="result_box"></a>What is the mageia policy ?<br /><br />The fedora wiki . <a name="result_box"></a>does not help me :-)<br /><a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Mono#rpmlint_and_mono_packages"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Mono#rpmlint_and_mono_packages</span></a><br /><br /><br />Best regards.<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,<br /><br />%{_prefix}/lib is the correct path ( i looked on kimono  spec file to confirm )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">what is the rpmlint error ? maybe we should learn him about mono.</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 11 août 2012 21:38:35 Bersuit Vera a écrit :<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi all.<br />I'am Bersuit a novice packager. I'am working  in taglib-sharp update<br /><a name="result_box"></a>I have problems with  the location of mono lib files<br /><br /> %files<br /> %defattr(-, root, root)<br /> %doc AUTHORS NEWS README<br />-%{_libexecdir}/mono/taglib-sharp<br />-%{_libexecdir}/mono/gac/taglib-sharp<br />-%{_libexecdir}/mono/gac/policy.2.0.taglib-sharp<br />+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/taglib-sharp<br />+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/taglib-sharp<br />+%{_prefix}/lib/mono/gac/policy.2.0.taglib-sharp<br /><br /><br /><a name="result_box"></a>If use in the spec %{_libdir} o %{libexecdir} <a name="result_box"></a>x64 does not compile (/usr/lib vs /usr/lib64)<br /><a name="result_box"></a>to prevent problems<a name="result_box"></a> use %{_prefix}/lib,  rpmlint is not happy with this and generates an error <br /><a name="result_box"></a>What is the mageia policy ?<br /><br />The fedora wiki . <a name="result_box"></a>does not help me :-)<br /><a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Mono#rpmlint_and_mono_packages"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Mono#rpmlint_and_mono_packages</span></a><br /><br /><br />Best regards.<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,<br /><br />%{_prefix}/lib is the correct path ( i looked on kimono  spec file to confirm )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">what is the rpmlint error ? maybe we should learn him about mono.</p></body></html>
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+<br>Hi Nico: <br>rpmlint says warning:<br>hardcoded-library-path in% {_prefix} / lib<br><br>A library path is hardcoded to one of the Following paths: / lib, / usr / lib. It<br>Should Be Replaced by something like /% {_lib} or% {_libdir}.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Sans Serif&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<div><div class="h5">
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Hi,<br><br>%{_prefix}/lib is the correct path ( i looked on kimono  spec file to confirm )</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">what is the rpmlint error ? maybe we should learn him about mono.</p></div></blockquote><br></div><br>
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+<br>Hi Nico: <br>rpmlint says warning:<br>hardcoded-library-path in% {_prefix} / lib<br><br>A library path is hardcoded to one of the Following paths: / lib, / usr / lib. It<br>Should Be Replaced by something like /% {_lib} or% {_libdir}.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Sans Serif&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<div><div class="h5">
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Hi,<br><br>%{_prefix}/lib is the correct path ( i looked on kimono  spec file to confirm )</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">what is the rpmlint error ? maybe we should learn him about mono.</p></div></blockquote><br></div><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi all,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I've found that I have three glibc installed on my box.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>[trem@localhost ~]$ rpm -q glibc<br>glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2<br>glibc-2.16-7.mga3<br>glibc-2.16-8.mga3<br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I've removed </span><span>glibc-2.16-7.mga3, and the issue seems to be solved.<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Regards,</span></div><div><span>trem</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span
+ style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 8 août 2012 7h41<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] strange urpmi --auto-update with glibc<br> </font> </div> <br>* Thierry Vignaud (<a ymailto="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; On 7 August 2012 18:33, Olivier Thauvin &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Am I the only one to have such behavior:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; [root@apus olivier]# LC_ALL=C urpmi --auto-update<br>&gt; &gt; The
+ following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:<br>&gt; &gt; glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64<br>&gt; &gt;&nbsp; (in order to install glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64) (y/N)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; If I accept the transaction fails saying glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64 is<br>&gt; &gt; already installed, obviously.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I would need the bug-glibc.tar.xz file resulting from running the<br>&gt; following commands:<br>&gt; urpmi --auto-update --bug bug-glibc<br>&gt; tar cfa bug-glibc{.tar.xz,}<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Send this file to me (privately, not to the ml (too big)).<br><br>Or I let you downloading it from here:<br><br><a href="http://olivier.thauvin.page.latmos.ipsl.fr/bug-glibc.tar.xz" target="_blank">http://olivier.thauvin.page.latmos.ipsl.fr/bug-glibc.tar.xz</a><br><br>Regards.<br><br>&gt; Thx<br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi all,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I've found that I have three glibc installed on my box.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>[trem@localhost ~]$ rpm -q glibc<br>glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2<br>glibc-2.16-7.mga3<br>glibc-2.16-8.mga3<br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I've removed </span><span>glibc-2.16-7.mga3, and the issue seems to be solved.<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Regards,</span></div><div><span>trem</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span
+ style="font-weight:bold;">De&nbsp;:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Mercredi 8 août 2012 7h41<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-dev] strange urpmi --auto-update with glibc<br> </font> </div> <br>* Thierry Vignaud (<a ymailto="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; On 7 August 2012 18:33, Olivier Thauvin &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Am I the only one to have such behavior:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; [root@apus olivier]# LC_ALL=C urpmi --auto-update<br>&gt; &gt; The
+ following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:<br>&gt; &gt; glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64<br>&gt; &gt;&nbsp; (in order to install glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64) (y/N)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; If I accept the transaction fails saying glibc-2.16-8.mga3.x86_64 is<br>&gt; &gt; already installed, obviously.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I would need the bug-glibc.tar.xz file resulting from running the<br>&gt; following commands:<br>&gt; urpmi --auto-update --bug bug-glibc<br>&gt; tar cfa bug-glibc{.tar.xz,}<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Send this file to me (privately, not to the ml (too big)).<br><br>Or I let you downloading it from here:<br><br><a href="http://olivier.thauvin.page.latmos.ipsl.fr/bug-glibc.tar.xz" target="_blank">http://olivier.thauvin.page.latmos.ipsl.fr/bug-glibc.tar.xz</a><br><br>Regards.<br><br>&gt; Thx<br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+<span lang="en"><span></span></span><br>Thanks,  Juancho, Nicolas  %{_prefix}/lib it&#39;s Ok <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/12 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Nicolas Lécureuil<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; %{_prefix}/lib is the correct path ( i looked on kimono spec file to confirm<br>
+&gt; )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yeah, I looked at several mono packages and all of them do it like<br>
+that, regarless that rpmlint doesn&#39;t like it.<br>
+<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span lang="en"><span></span></span><br>Thanks,  Juancho, Nicolas  %{_prefix}/lib it&#39;s Ok <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/12 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Nicolas Lécureuil<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; %{_prefix}/lib is the correct path ( i looked on kimono spec file to confirm<br>
+&gt; )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yeah, I looked at several mono packages and all of them do it like<br>
+that, regarless that rpmlint doesn&#39;t like it.<br>
+<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Juancho<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/12 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le dimanche 12 août 2012 19:05:07 Maurice Batey a écrit :<br>
+&gt; On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:06:49 +0200, Angelo Naselli wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; * We Just need a kmail 2 working<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;   Yes, indeed - especially Find Messages...<br>
+Well it&#39;s working better with kdepim 4.9.x  (not perfect thought)<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Thanks for the kde 4.8.5 i updated from testig for mageia 2.<br>This version has solved an issue that i had with the asking of the imap password at every startup.<br>It rests the bug with the autocompletion of the addreses <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259949">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259949</a><br>
+It is a great application with very very much features. With konqueror, they are my main applications.<br><br>And congratulations to our KDE team !<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/12 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le dimanche 12 août 2012 19:05:07 Maurice Batey a écrit :<br>
+&gt; On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:06:49 +0200, Angelo Naselli wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; * We Just need a kmail 2 working<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;   Yes, indeed - especially Find Messages...<br>
+Well it&#39;s working better with kdepim 4.9.x  (not perfect thought)<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Thanks for the kde 4.8.5 i updated from testig for mageia 2.<br>This version has solved an issue that i had with the asking of the imap password at every startup.<br>It rests the bug with the autocompletion of the addreses <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259949">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259949</a><br>
+It is a great application with very very much features. With konqueror, they are my main applications.<br><br>And congratulations to our KDE team !<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/13 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk" target="_blank">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:39:23 +0200, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; What exact it does nt work in Find Messages?<br>
+<br>
+</div>See:  <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281227" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281227</a><br>
+         <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294568" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294568</a><br>
+<br>
+In there you will see, e.g. this posting from me:<br>
+<br>
+    &quot;As a test, I did a Find Messages for &quot;<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>&quot; in the &#39;To&#39; fields<br>
+    of  a  Sent-mail folder containing 4,886 emails.<br>
+<br>
+   KDE 4.5.2&#39;s  KMail (1.13.5) found *395* emails sent to someone at<br>
+   <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a><br>
+<br>
+   KDE 4.8.2 on the other hand - given the same email Sent-mail<br>
+   folder  - found only *11*  matches:<br>
+              5 &#39;this week&#39;<br>
+              1 last week<br>
+              1 in 2005<br>
+              4 in 2004<br>
+     - which leads me to conclude that 4.8.2&#39;s Find Messages is well and<br>
+     truly  broken, and so unusable, thus rendering KMail 4.8.2 itself<br>
+     unusable..&quot;<br>
+<br>
+See also postings there from many other users.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+/\/\aurice<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>When i tried a search in the &#39;To&#39; field the results were wrong to me too, and when i repeated the search there were worst ! <br>Hope to be fixed soon, as this one:<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301099">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301099</a><br>
+and this one:<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304741">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304741</a><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/8/13 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk" target="_blank">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:39:23 +0200, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; What exact it does nt work in Find Messages?<br>
+<br>
+</div>See:  <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281227" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281227</a><br>
+         <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294568" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294568</a><br>
+<br>
+In there you will see, e.g. this posting from me:<br>
+<br>
+    &quot;As a test, I did a Find Messages for &quot;<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>&quot; in the &#39;To&#39; fields<br>
+    of  a  Sent-mail folder containing 4,886 emails.<br>
+<br>
+   KDE 4.5.2&#39;s  KMail (1.13.5) found *395* emails sent to someone at<br>
+   <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a><br>
+<br>
+   KDE 4.8.2 on the other hand - given the same email Sent-mail<br>
+   folder  - found only *11*  matches:<br>
+              5 &#39;this week&#39;<br>
+              1 last week<br>
+              1 in 2005<br>
+              4 in 2004<br>
+     - which leads me to conclude that 4.8.2&#39;s Find Messages is well and<br>
+     truly  broken, and so unusable, thus rendering KMail 4.8.2 itself<br>
+     unusable..&quot;<br>
+<br>
+See also postings there from many other users.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+/\/\aurice<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>When i tried a search in the &#39;To&#39; field the results were wrong to me too, and when i repeated the search there were worst ! <br>Hope to be fixed soon, as this one:<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301099">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301099</a><br>
+and this one:<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304741">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304741</a><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+There is a newer drakconf in mga2 than mga3.<br><br>在 2012年8月14日星期二，Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; I have deliberately postponed updating my cauldron install, waiting for most issues to be resolved, so tonight after the usrmove thread died out, I figured most issues were resolved and I attempted to move forward and update my system.<br>
+&gt; However it fails, and only 7 packages is upgraded/installed before it exits with an error.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Here is the session logs.<br>&gt; These packages was installed, according to syslog: <a href="http://www.solbu.net/usrmove/urpmi-update-fail-2.txt">http://www.solbu.net/usrmove/urpmi-update-fail-2.txt</a><br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; And this is the output after the second try: <a href="http://www.solbu.net/usrmove/urpmi-update-fail.txt">http://www.solbu.net/usrmove/urpmi-update-fail.txt</a><br>&gt;         (the only difference between the first try and this is that i used &quot;--auto-update&quot; the first time)<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; Now what? :-)=<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Johnny A. Solbu<br>&gt; PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>&gt;
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+There is a newer drakconf in mga2 than mga3.<br><br>在 2012年8月14日星期二，Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; I have deliberately postponed updating my cauldron install, waiting for most issues to be resolved, so tonight after the usrmove thread died out, I figured most issues were resolved and I attempted to move forward and update my system.<br>
+&gt; However it fails, and only 7 packages is upgraded/installed before it exits with an error.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Here is the session logs.<br>&gt; These packages was installed, according to syslog: <a href="http://www.solbu.net/usrmove/urpmi-update-fail-2.txt">http://www.solbu.net/usrmove/urpmi-update-fail-2.txt</a><br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; And this is the output after the second try: <a href="http://www.solbu.net/usrmove/urpmi-update-fail.txt">http://www.solbu.net/usrmove/urpmi-update-fail.txt</a><br>&gt;         (the only difference between the first try and this is that i used &quot;--auto-update&quot; the first time)<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; Now what? :-)=<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Johnny A. Solbu<br>&gt; PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>&gt;
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+Hi <br>The agent is ready and the server will be asap.<br>I&#39;m a eager rookie and so I&#39;ll do my best, but bare in mind that I&#39;m just a  rookie that juancho decides <br><br>Salut Bersuit.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2012/8/21 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 21/08/2012 02:44, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Guillaume Rousse<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 20/08/2012 21:20, Damien Lallement a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+- ocsinventory-server and ocsinventory-agent: unmaintained, several<br>
+pending security updates, better alternatives available (glpi +<br>
+fusioninventory-agent)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Noooooo, I&#39;m using it for a customer of my company.<br>
+I think that it&#39;s hard to remove this package as glpi/funsioninventory<br>
+are better alternatives, sure, but not compatible with ocsinventory-*.<br>
+So, for me, it&#39;s not an alternative but an other solution.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Meaning you&#39;re volonteering for maintainership ?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+We&#39;re working on these two packages with one of my apprentices, so<br>
+there&#39;s no need to drop them.<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+So just take over maintainership. &quot;we&#39;re working on it&quot; is not a clear status.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #61:<br>
+<br>
+not approved by the FCC<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi <br>The agent is ready and the server will be asap.<br>I&#39;m a eager rookie and so I&#39;ll do my best, but bare in mind that I&#39;m just a  rookie that juancho decides <br><br>Salut Bersuit.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2012/8/21 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 21/08/2012 02:44, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Guillaume Rousse<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 20/08/2012 21:20, Damien Lallement a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+- ocsinventory-server and ocsinventory-agent: unmaintained, several<br>
+pending security updates, better alternatives available (glpi +<br>
+fusioninventory-agent)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Noooooo, I&#39;m using it for a customer of my company.<br>
+I think that it&#39;s hard to remove this package as glpi/funsioninventory<br>
+are better alternatives, sure, but not compatible with ocsinventory-*.<br>
+So, for me, it&#39;s not an alternative but an other solution.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Meaning you&#39;re volonteering for maintainership ?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+We&#39;re working on these two packages with one of my apprentices, so<br>
+there&#39;s no need to drop them.<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+So just take over maintainership. &quot;we&#39;re working on it&quot; is not a clear status.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #61:<br>
+<br>
+not approved by the FCC<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Release Date: 2012-05-29
+[    22.518] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
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+[    22.518] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
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+[    23.294] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
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+[    23.637] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[    23.657] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    23.657] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[    23.657] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    23.657] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[    23.657] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    23.657] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    23.695] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    23.695] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.2.0
+[    23.695] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    23.695] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[    23.695] (II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
+[    23.695] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
+[    25.565] (II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - AMD Technologies Inc."
+[    25.565] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.98.2
+[    25.565] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[    25.565] (II) Loading sub module "fglrxdrm"
+[    25.565] (II) LoadModule: "fglrxdrm"
+[    25.565] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/linux/libfglrxdrm.so
+[    25.616] (II) Module fglrxdrm: vendor="FireGL - AMD Technologies Inc."
+[    25.616] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.98.2
+[    25.616] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[    25.616] (II) AMD Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.98.2
+[    25.616] (II) AMD Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: UNSUPPORTED-8.98                     
+[    25.616] (II) AMD Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: May 22 2012 21:15:05
+[    25.616] (++) using VT number 1
+
+[    25.616] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[    25.616] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx
+[    25.897] (II) Loading PCS database from /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
+[    25.943] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:9403:0000:0000 in control file
+[    25.943] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:9403:0000:0000 in control file
+[    25.943] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:9400:0000:0000 in control file
+[    25.943] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:9400:0000:0000 in control file
+[    25.943] (II) AMD ASIC control file status: R4 S0 B208 N312 T207
+[    25.943] (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
+[    25.943] (--) Chipset Supported AMD Graphics Processor (0x6758) found
+[    25.962] (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@1:0:1) found
+[    25.996] (II) AMD Video driver is running on a device belonging to a group targeted for this release
+[    26.014] (II) AMD Video driver is unsigned
+[    26.014] (II) fglrx(0): pEnt->device->identifier=0xb3a510
+[    26.014] (II) fglrx(0): === [xdl_xs112_atiddxPreInit] === begin
+[    26.014] (II) Loading sub module "vgahw"
+[    26.014] (II) LoadModule: "vgahw"
+[    26.057] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libvgahw.so
+[    26.187] (II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    26.187] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 0.1.0
+[    26.187] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0
+[    26.187] (**) fglrx(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
+[    26.187] (II) fglrx(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps)
+[    26.187] (==) fglrx(0): Default visual is TrueColor
+[    26.187] (**) fglrx(0): Option "DPMS"
+[    26.187] (==) fglrx(0): RGB weight 888
+[    26.187] (II) fglrx(0): Using 8 bits per RGB 
+[    26.187] (==) fglrx(0): Buffer Tiling is ON
+[    26.213] (II) Loading sub module "fglrxdrm"
+[    26.213] (II) LoadModule: "fglrxdrm"
+[    26.213] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/linux/libfglrxdrm.so
+[    26.213] (II) Module fglrxdrm: vendor="FireGL - AMD Technologies Inc."
+[    26.213] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.98.2
+[    26.214] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    26.214] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    26.214] ukiOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID PCI:1:0:0
+[    26.214] ukiOpenDevice: node name is /dev/ati/card0
+[    26.214] ukiOpenDevice: open result is 14, (OK)
+[    26.214] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiOpenMinor returns 14
+[    26.214] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiGetBusid reports PCI:1:0:0
+[    26.214] (**) fglrx(0): NoAccel = NO
+[    26.214] (**) fglrx(0): AMD 2D Acceleration Architecture enabled
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): Chipset: "AMD Radeon HD 6670" (Chipset = 0x6758)
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): (PciSubVendor = 0x1028, PciSubDevice = 0x0b0e)
+[    26.214] (==) fglrx(0): board vendor info: third party graphics adapter - NOT original AMD
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): Linear framebuffer (phys) at 0xd0000000
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): MMIO registers at 0xe1420000
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): I/O port at 0x00003000
+[    26.214] (==) fglrx(0): ROM-BIOS at 0x000c0000
+[    26.237] (II) fglrx(0): AC Adapter is used
+[    26.288] (II) fglrx(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
+[    26.308] (II) Loading sub module "vbe"
+[    26.308] (II) LoadModule: "vbe"
+[    26.308] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libvbe.so
+[    26.331] (II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    26.331] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.1.0
+[    26.331] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA BIOS detected
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 16384 kB
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM: AMD ATOMBIOS
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 13.11
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: (C) 1988-2010, AMD Technologies Inc. 
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: TURKS
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: 01.00
+[    26.380] (II) fglrx(0): AMD Video BIOS revision 9 or later detected
+[    26.380] (--) fglrx(0): Video RAM: 1048576 kByte, Type: GDDR5
+[    26.380] (II) fglrx(0): PCIE card detected
+[    26.380] (--) fglrx(0): Using per-process page tables (PPPT) as GART.
+[    26.380] (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
+[    26.384] (II) fglrx(0): Using adapter: 1:0.0.
+[    26.406] (II) fglrx(0): [FB] MC range(MCFBBase = 0xf00000000, MCFBSize = 0x40000000)
+[    26.430] (II) fglrx(0): Interrupt handler installed at IRQ 47.
+[    26.430] (II) fglrx(0): RandR 1.2 support is enabled!
+[    26.430] (II) fglrx(0): RandR 1.2 rotation support is enabled!
+[    26.430] (==) fglrx(0): Center Mode is disabled 
+[    26.430] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
+[    26.430] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
+[    26.430] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so
+[    26.659] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    26.659] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[    26.659] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[    26.659] (II) Loading sub module "ddc"
+[    26.659] (II) LoadModule: "ddc"
+[    26.659] (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
+[    27.829] (II) fglrx(0): Finished Initialize PPLIB!
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP1 using monitor section monitor1
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP2 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP3 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP4 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP5 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output CRT1 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) Loading sub module "ddc"
+[    27.881] (II) LoadModule: "ddc"
+[    27.881] (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Connected Display0: DFP5
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Display0 EDID data ---------------------------
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Manufacturer: DEL  Model: f035  Serial#: 1096365388
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Year: 2011  Week: 33
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Digital Display Input
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 51  vert.: 29
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): redX: 0.625 redY: 0.349   greenX: 0.339 greenY: 0.623
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): blueX: 0.153 blueY: 0.052   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported established timings:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 720x400@70Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1280x1024@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported standard timings:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #0: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75  vid: 20337
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #1: hsize: 1280  vsize 1024  refresh: 60  vid: 32897
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #2: hsize: 1920  vsize 1080  refresh: 60  vid: 49361
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): clock: 148.5 MHz   Image Size:  510 x 287 mm
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): h_active: 1920  h_sync: 2008  h_sync_end 2052 h_blank_end 2200 h_border: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): v_active: 1080  v_sync: 1084  v_sync_end 1089 v_blanking: 1125 v_border: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Serial No: 643X118BAY5L
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Monitor name: DELL E2311H
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Ranges: V min: 56 V max: 76 Hz, H min: 30 H max: 83 kHz, PixClock max 175 MHz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	00ffffffffffff0010ac35f04c355941
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	2115010380331d78ea1e55a059569f27
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	0d5054a54b00714f8180d1c001010101
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	010101010101023a801871382d40582c
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	4500fe1f1100001e000000ff00363433
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	58313138424159354c0a000000fc0044
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	454c4c204532333131480a20000000fd
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	00384c1e5311000a202020202020009d
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): End of Display0 EDID data --------------------
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP1
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP2
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP3
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP4
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP5
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Manufacturer: DEL  Model: f035  Serial#: 1096365388
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Year: 2011  Week: 33
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Digital Display Input
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 51  vert.: 29
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): redX: 0.625 redY: 0.349   greenX: 0.339 greenY: 0.623
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): blueX: 0.153 blueY: 0.052   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported established timings:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 720x400@70Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1280x1024@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported standard timings:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #0: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75  vid: 20337
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #1: hsize: 1280  vsize 1024  refresh: 60  vid: 32897
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #2: hsize: 1920  vsize 1080  refresh: 60  vid: 49361
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): clock: 148.5 MHz   Image Size:  510 x 287 mm
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): h_active: 1920  h_sync: 2008  h_sync_end 2052 h_blank_end 2200 h_border: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): v_active: 1080  v_sync: 1084  v_sync_end 1089 v_blanking: 1125 v_border: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Serial No: 643X118BAY5L
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Monitor name: DELL E2311H
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Ranges: V min: 56 V max: 76 Hz, H min: 30 H max: 83 kHz, PixClock max 175 MHz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	00ffffffffffff0010ac35f04c355941
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	2115010380331d78ea1e55a059569f27
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	0d5054a54b00714f8180d1c001010101
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	010101010101023a801871382d40582c
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	4500fe1f1100001e000000ff00363433
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	58313138424159354c0a000000fc0044
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	454c4c204532333131480a20000000fd
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	00384c1e5311000a202020202020009d
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Printing probed modes for output DFP5
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x60.0  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1680x1050"x60.0  148.50  1680 2008 2052 2200  1050 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1400x1050"x60.0  148.50  1400 2008 2052 2200  1050 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1600x900"x60.0  148.50  1600 2008 2052 2200  900 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1360x1024"x60.0  148.50  1360 2008 2052 2200  1024 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1440x900"x60.0  148.50  1440 2008 2052 2200  900 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x960"x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  960 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x960"x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  960 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1152x864"x60.0  148.50  1152 2008 2052 2200  864 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1152x864"x75.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x768"x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  768 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x768"x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  768 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x720"x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  720 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x720"x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  720 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x75.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x75.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x75.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x60.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output CRT1
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP1 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP2 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP3 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP4 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP5 connected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output CRT1 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Using user preference for initial modes
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP5 using initial mode 1920x1080
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Eyefinity capable adapter detected.
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Adapter AMD Radeon HD 6670 has 6 configurable heads and 1 displays connected.
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0):  PseudoColor visuals disabled
+[    27.881] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
+[    27.881] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
+[    27.881] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): NoDRI = NO
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): Capabilities: 0x00000000
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): CapabilitiesEx: 0x00000000
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): OpenGL ClientDriverName: "fglrx_dri.so"
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): UseFastTLS=0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Desktop Vsync is enabled.
+[    27.881] (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
+[    27.882] (II) Loading extension ATIFGLRXDRI
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): doing swlDriScreenInit
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): swlDriScreenInit for fglrx driver
+[    27.882] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    27.882] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    27.882] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    27.882] ukiOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID PCI:1:0:0
+[    27.882] ukiOpenDevice: node name is /dev/ati/card0
+[    27.882] ukiOpenDevice: open result is 15, (OK)
+[    27.882] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiOpenMinor returns 15
+[    27.882] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiGetBusid reports PCI:1:0:0
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] DRM interface version 1.0
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] created "fglrx" driver at busid "PCI:1:0:0"
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] added 8192 byte SAREA at 0x2000
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] mapped SAREA 0x2000 to 0x7f7562272000
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] framebuffer handle = 0x3000
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] added 1 reserved context for kernel
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): swlDriScreenInit done
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Version Information:
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Name: fglrx
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Version: 8.98.2
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Date: May 22 2012
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Desc: AMD FireGL DRM kernel module
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version matches driver.
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Build Time Information:
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel UTS_RELEASE:        3.4.4-desktop-1.mga3
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel MODVERSIONS:        yes
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel __SMP__:            yes
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel PAGE_SIZE:          0x1000
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] register handle = 0x00004000
+[    28.016] (II) fglrx(0): DRI initialization successfull
+[    28.045] (II) fglrx(0): FBADPhys: 0xf00000000 FBMappedSize: 0x010e0000
+[    28.074] (==) fglrx(0): Backing store disabled
+[    28.074] (II) Loading extension FGLRXEXTENSION
+[    28.074] (**) fglrx(0): DPMS enabled
+[    28.074] (II) fglrx(0): Initialized in-driver Xinerama extension
+[    28.074] (**) fglrx(0): Textured Video is enabled.
+[    28.074] (II) LoadModule: "glesx"
+[    28.074] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/glesx.so
+[    28.653] (II) Module glesx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.653] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 1.0.0
+[    28.653] (II) Loading extension GLESX
+[    28.653] (II) fglrx(0): GLESX enableFlags = 592
+[    28.653] (II) fglrx(0): GLESX is enabled
+[    28.653] (II) LoadModule: "amdxmm"
+[    28.654] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/amdxmm.so
+[    28.710] (II) Module amdxmm: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.710] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 2.0.0
+[    28.719] (II) Loading extension AMDXVOPL
+[    28.719] (II) Loading extension AMDXVBA
+[    28.761] (II) fglrx(0): UVD feature is enabled(II) fglrx(0): 
+[    28.762] (II) fglrx(0): Enable composite support successfully
+[    28.762] (II) fglrx(0): X context handle = 0x1
+[    28.762] (II) fglrx(0): [DRI] installation complete
+[    28.762] (==) fglrx(0): Silken mouse enabled
+[    28.762] (==) fglrx(0): Using HW cursor of display infrastructure!
+[    28.762] (II) fglrx(0): Disabling in-server RandR and enabling in-driver RandR 1.2.
+[    35.416] (--) RandR disabled
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
+[    35.417] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    35.417] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    35.417] ukiOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID PCI:1:0:0
+[    35.417] ukiOpenDevice: node name is /dev/ati/card0
+[    35.417] ukiOpenDevice: open result is 16, (OK)
+[    35.417] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiOpenMinor returns 16
+[    35.417] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiGetBusid reports PCI:1:0:0
+[    37.630] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized OpenGL driver(II) GLX: Initialized DRI GL provider for screen 0
+[    37.709] (II) fglrx(0): Enable the clock gating!
+[    37.715] (II) fglrx(0): Desktop Vsync is enabled.
+[    37.715] (II) fglrx(0): Setting screen physical size to 508 x 285
+[    38.148] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-8AA988DD479FAABEC4FC3CCCF4CC29B4948840B4.xkm
+[    38.330] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event3)
+[    38.330] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    38.330] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
+[    38.353] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    38.358] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    38.358] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 2.7.0
+[    38.358] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    38.358] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 16.0
+[    38.358] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    38.358] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    38.358] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event3"
+[    38.358] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[    38.358] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[    38.358] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    38.358] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input3/event3"
+[    38.358] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6)
+[    38.358] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    38.358] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    38.358] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us"
+[    38.358] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    38.359] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-4AC4573507EA3D200970ACC585B8C714F1E56AC6.xkm
+[    38.390] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event2)
+[    38.390] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    38.390] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    38.390] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    38.390] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
+[    38.390] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[    38.390] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[    38.390] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    38.390] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input2/event2"
+[    38.390] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7)
+[    38.390] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    38.390] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    38.390] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us"
+[    38.390] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    38.390] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HD-Audio Generic HDMI/DP,pcm=3 (/dev/input/event8)
+[    38.390] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.390] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.390] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Rear Mic (/dev/input/event4)
+[    38.390] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.390] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.390] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Front Mic (/dev/input/event5)
+[    38.390] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.390] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.391] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Front Headphone (/dev/input/event6)
+[    38.391] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.391] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.391] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Line Out (/dev/input/event7)
+[    38.391] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.391] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.391] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
+[    38.391] (**) Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    38.391] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard'
+[    38.391] (**) Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: always reports core events
+[    38.391] (**) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Vendor 0x413c Product 0x2107
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Found keys
+[    38.391] (II) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
+[    38.391] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.5/2-1.5:1.0/input/input0/event0"
+[    38.391] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD, id 8)
+[    38.391] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    38.391] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    38.391] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us"
+[    38.391] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    38.391] (II) config/udev: Adding input device USB Optical Mouse (/dev/input/event1)
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer catchall"
+[    38.391] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'USB Optical Mouse'
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: always reports core events
+[    38.391] (**) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Device: "/dev/input/event1"
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Vendor 0x461 Product 0x4d81
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found 3 mouse buttons
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found scroll wheel(s)
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found relative axes
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found x and y relative axes
+[    38.391] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Configuring as mouse
+[    38.391] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Adding scrollwheel support
+[    38.391] (**) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
+[    38.391] (**) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
+[    38.391] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.6/2-1.6:1.0/input/input1/event1"
+[    38.391] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Optical Mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 9)
+[    38.391] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: initialized for relative axes.
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    38.392] (II) config/udev: Adding input device USB Optical Mouse (/dev/input/mouse0)
+[    38.392] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.392] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.427] (II) fglrx(0): Restoring Recent Mode via PCS is not supported in RANDR 1.2 capable environments
+[    41.650] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-5514E07B8B6B4E906FEEA3AA00903148E4C862E4.xkm
+[    66.512] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-B3A90A98DF79C73B4D638157E555A0FE2721D097.xkm
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): EDID vendor "DEL", prod id 61493
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz eP)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "720x400"x0.0   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1152x864"x0.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x60.0  172.80  1920 2040 2248 2576  1080 1081 1084 1118 -hsync +vsync (67.1 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): EDID vendor "DEL", prod id 61493
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz eP)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "720x400"x0.0   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1152x864"x0.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x60.0  172.80  1920 2040 2248 2576  1080 1081 1084 1118 -hsync +vsync (67.1 kHz e)
+[ 26151.143] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close
+[ 26151.143] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[ 26151.153] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close
+[ 26151.153] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[ 26151.168] (II) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Close
+[ 26151.168] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[ 26151.184] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Close
+[ 26151.184] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[ 26151.188] (II) fglrx(0): Shutdown CMMQS
+[ 26151.188] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] removed 1 reserved context for kernel
+[ 26151.188] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0x2000 at 0x7f7562272000
+[ 26151.239] (II) fglrx(0): Interrupt handler Shutdown.
+[ 26151.410] Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120822/346f33df/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120822/346f33df/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..6250570e6
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120822/346f33df/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,564 @@
+[    22.518] 
+X.Org X Server 1.12.2
+Release Date: 2012-05-29
+[    22.518] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
+[    22.518] Build Operating System: Linux_2.6.38.8-server-10.mga Mageia
+[    22.518] Current Operating System: Linux Kira.AEDLab 3.4.4-desktop-1.mga3 #1 SMP Tue Jun 26 23:52:42 UTC 2012 x86_64
+[    22.518] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=7b24b7d6-c0a3-4dc1-9391-0292a0b77616 splash quiet nokmsboot resume=UUID=24d38350-e6a4-4255-bb27-504b92223329 init=/bin/systemd vga=788
+[    22.518] Build Date: 19 June 2012  07:23:53PM
+[    22.518]  
+[    22.518] Current version of pixman: 0.26.0
+[    22.518] 	Before reporting problems, check http://bugs.mageia.org
+	to make sure that you have the latest version.
+[    22.518] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
+	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
+	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
+[    22.518] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Jun 28 13:47:41 2012
+[    22.564] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
+[    22.564] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
+[    23.180] (==) ServerLayout "layout1"
+[    23.180] (**) |-->Screen "screen1" (0)
+[    23.180] (**) |   |-->Monitor "monitor1"
+[    23.181] (**) |   |-->Device "device1"
+[    23.181] (**) Option "DontZap" "False"
+[    23.181] (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail"
+[    23.181] (==) Automatically adding devices
+[    23.181] (==) Automatically enabling devices
+[    23.294] (==) FontPath set to:
+	catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d
+[    23.294] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib64/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib64/xorg/modules"
+[    23.294] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
+	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
+[    23.294] (II) Loader magic: 0x7d4b00
+[    23.294] (II) Module ABI versions:
+[    23.294] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
+[    23.294] 	X.Org Video Driver: 12.0
+[    23.294] 	X.Org XInput driver : 16.0
+[    23.294] 	X.Org Server Extension : 6.0
+[    23.294] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 1002:6758:1028:0b0e rev 0, Mem @ 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xe1420000/131072, I/O @ 0x00003000/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072
+[    23.294] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
+[    23.294] (II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
+[    23.294] (II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
+[    23.294] (II) "glx" will be loaded by default.
+[    23.294] (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
+[    23.294] (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
+[    23.294] (II) "dri2" will be loaded by default.
+[    23.294] (II) LoadModule: "v4l"
+[    23.384] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/v4l_drv.so
+[    23.414] (II) Module v4l: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    23.414] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 0.1.1
+[    23.414] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0
+[    23.414] (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
+[    23.414] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
+[    23.427] (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    23.427] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[    23.427] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    23.427] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    23.427] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
+[    23.427] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
+[    23.427] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
+[    23.427] (II) Loading extension DPMS
+[    23.427] (II) Loading extension XVideo
+[    23.427] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
+[    23.427] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
+[    23.427] (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
+[    23.427] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
+[    23.460] (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    23.460] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[    23.460] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    23.460] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    23.460] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
+[    23.460] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
+[    23.460] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/extra-modules/libglx.so
+[    23.606] (II) Module glx: vendor="Advanced Micro Devices, Inc."
+[    23.606] 	compiled for 6.9.0, module version = 1.0.0
+[    23.606] (II) Loading extension GLX
+[    23.606] (II) LoadModule: "record"
+[    23.606] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
+[    23.637] (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    23.637] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.13.0
+[    23.637] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
+[    23.637] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    23.637] (II) Loading extension RECORD
+[    23.637] (II) LoadModule: "dri"
+[    23.637] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
+[    23.657] (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    23.657] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[    23.657] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    23.657] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
+[    23.657] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
+[    23.657] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
+[    23.695] (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    23.695] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.2.0
+[    23.695] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
+[    23.695] (II) Loading extension DRI2
+[    23.695] (II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
+[    23.695] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
+[    25.565] (II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - AMD Technologies Inc."
+[    25.565] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.98.2
+[    25.565] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
+[    25.565] (II) Loading sub module "fglrxdrm"
+[    25.565] (II) LoadModule: "fglrxdrm"
+[    25.565] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/linux/libfglrxdrm.so
+[    25.616] (II) Module fglrxdrm: vendor="FireGL - AMD Technologies Inc."
+[    25.616] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.98.2
+[    25.616] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
+[    25.616] (II) AMD Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.98.2
+[    25.616] (II) AMD Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: UNSUPPORTED-8.98                     
+[    25.616] (II) AMD Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: May 22 2012 21:15:05
+[    25.616] (++) using VT number 1
+
+[    25.616] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l
+[    25.616] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx
+[    25.897] (II) Loading PCS database from /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
+[    25.943] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:9403:0000:0000 in control file
+[    25.943] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:9403:0000:0000 in control file
+[    25.943] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:9400:0000:0000 in control file
+[    25.943] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:9400:0000:0000 in control file
+[    25.943] (II) AMD ASIC control file status: R4 S0 B208 N312 T207
+[    25.943] (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
+[    25.943] (--) Chipset Supported AMD Graphics Processor (0x6758) found
+[    25.962] (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@1:0:1) found
+[    25.996] (II) AMD Video driver is running on a device belonging to a group targeted for this release
+[    26.014] (II) AMD Video driver is unsigned
+[    26.014] (II) fglrx(0): pEnt->device->identifier=0xb3a510
+[    26.014] (II) fglrx(0): === [xdl_xs112_atiddxPreInit] === begin
+[    26.014] (II) Loading sub module "vgahw"
+[    26.014] (II) LoadModule: "vgahw"
+[    26.057] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libvgahw.so
+[    26.187] (II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    26.187] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 0.1.0
+[    26.187] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0
+[    26.187] (**) fglrx(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
+[    26.187] (II) fglrx(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps)
+[    26.187] (==) fglrx(0): Default visual is TrueColor
+[    26.187] (**) fglrx(0): Option "DPMS"
+[    26.187] (==) fglrx(0): RGB weight 888
+[    26.187] (II) fglrx(0): Using 8 bits per RGB 
+[    26.187] (==) fglrx(0): Buffer Tiling is ON
+[    26.213] (II) Loading sub module "fglrxdrm"
+[    26.213] (II) LoadModule: "fglrxdrm"
+[    26.213] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/linux/libfglrxdrm.so
+[    26.213] (II) Module fglrxdrm: vendor="FireGL - AMD Technologies Inc."
+[    26.213] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.98.2
+[    26.214] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    26.214] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    26.214] ukiOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID PCI:1:0:0
+[    26.214] ukiOpenDevice: node name is /dev/ati/card0
+[    26.214] ukiOpenDevice: open result is 14, (OK)
+[    26.214] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiOpenMinor returns 14
+[    26.214] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiGetBusid reports PCI:1:0:0
+[    26.214] (**) fglrx(0): NoAccel = NO
+[    26.214] (**) fglrx(0): AMD 2D Acceleration Architecture enabled
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): Chipset: "AMD Radeon HD 6670" (Chipset = 0x6758)
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): (PciSubVendor = 0x1028, PciSubDevice = 0x0b0e)
+[    26.214] (==) fglrx(0): board vendor info: third party graphics adapter - NOT original AMD
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): Linear framebuffer (phys) at 0xd0000000
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): MMIO registers at 0xe1420000
+[    26.214] (--) fglrx(0): I/O port at 0x00003000
+[    26.214] (==) fglrx(0): ROM-BIOS at 0x000c0000
+[    26.237] (II) fglrx(0): AC Adapter is used
+[    26.288] (II) fglrx(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
+[    26.308] (II) Loading sub module "vbe"
+[    26.308] (II) LoadModule: "vbe"
+[    26.308] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libvbe.so
+[    26.331] (II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    26.331] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.1.0
+[    26.331] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 12.0
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA BIOS detected
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 16384 kB
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM: AMD ATOMBIOS
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 13.11
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: (C) 1988-2010, AMD Technologies Inc. 
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: TURKS
+[    26.362] (II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: 01.00
+[    26.380] (II) fglrx(0): AMD Video BIOS revision 9 or later detected
+[    26.380] (--) fglrx(0): Video RAM: 1048576 kByte, Type: GDDR5
+[    26.380] (II) fglrx(0): PCIE card detected
+[    26.380] (--) fglrx(0): Using per-process page tables (PPPT) as GART.
+[    26.380] (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
+[    26.384] (II) fglrx(0): Using adapter: 1:0.0.
+[    26.406] (II) fglrx(0): [FB] MC range(MCFBBase = 0xf00000000, MCFBSize = 0x40000000)
+[    26.430] (II) fglrx(0): Interrupt handler installed at IRQ 47.
+[    26.430] (II) fglrx(0): RandR 1.2 support is enabled!
+[    26.430] (II) fglrx(0): RandR 1.2 rotation support is enabled!
+[    26.430] (==) fglrx(0): Center Mode is disabled 
+[    26.430] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
+[    26.430] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
+[    26.430] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so
+[    26.659] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    26.659] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 1.0.0
+[    26.659] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
+[    26.659] (II) Loading sub module "ddc"
+[    26.659] (II) LoadModule: "ddc"
+[    26.659] (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
+[    27.829] (II) fglrx(0): Finished Initialize PPLIB!
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP1 using monitor section monitor1
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP2 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP3 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP4 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP5 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output CRT1 has no monitor section
+[    27.881] (II) Loading sub module "ddc"
+[    27.881] (II) LoadModule: "ddc"
+[    27.881] (II) Module "ddc" already built-in
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Connected Display0: DFP5
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Display0 EDID data ---------------------------
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Manufacturer: DEL  Model: f035  Serial#: 1096365388
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Year: 2011  Week: 33
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Digital Display Input
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 51  vert.: 29
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): redX: 0.625 redY: 0.349   greenX: 0.339 greenY: 0.623
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): blueX: 0.153 blueY: 0.052   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported established timings:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 720x400@70Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1280x1024@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported standard timings:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #0: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75  vid: 20337
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #1: hsize: 1280  vsize 1024  refresh: 60  vid: 32897
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #2: hsize: 1920  vsize 1080  refresh: 60  vid: 49361
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): clock: 148.5 MHz   Image Size:  510 x 287 mm
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): h_active: 1920  h_sync: 2008  h_sync_end 2052 h_blank_end 2200 h_border: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): v_active: 1080  v_sync: 1084  v_sync_end 1089 v_blanking: 1125 v_border: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Serial No: 643X118BAY5L
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Monitor name: DELL E2311H
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Ranges: V min: 56 V max: 76 Hz, H min: 30 H max: 83 kHz, PixClock max 175 MHz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	00ffffffffffff0010ac35f04c355941
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	2115010380331d78ea1e55a059569f27
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	0d5054a54b00714f8180d1c001010101
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	010101010101023a801871382d40582c
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	4500fe1f1100001e000000ff00363433
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	58313138424159354c0a000000fc0044
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	454c4c204532333131480a20000000fd
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	00384c1e5311000a202020202020009d
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): End of Display0 EDID data --------------------
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP1
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP2
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP3
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP4
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output DFP5
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Manufacturer: DEL  Model: f035  Serial#: 1096365388
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Year: 2011  Week: 33
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID Version: 1.3
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Digital Display Input
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 51  vert.: 29
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Gamma: 2.20
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): redX: 0.625 redY: 0.349   greenX: 0.339 greenY: 0.623
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): blueX: 0.153 blueY: 0.052   whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported established timings:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 720x400@70Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@60Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 1280x1024@75Hz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported standard timings:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #0: hsize: 1152  vsize 864  refresh: 75  vid: 20337
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #1: hsize: 1280  vsize 1024  refresh: 60  vid: 32897
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): #2: hsize: 1920  vsize 1080  refresh: 60  vid: 49361
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Supported detailed timing:
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): clock: 148.5 MHz   Image Size:  510 x 287 mm
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): h_active: 1920  h_sync: 2008  h_sync_end 2052 h_blank_end 2200 h_border: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): v_active: 1080  v_sync: 1084  v_sync_end 1089 v_blanking: 1125 v_border: 0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Serial No: 643X118BAY5L
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Monitor name: DELL E2311H
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Ranges: V min: 56 V max: 76 Hz, H min: 30 H max: 83 kHz, PixClock max 175 MHz
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID (in hex):
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	00ffffffffffff0010ac35f04c355941
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	2115010380331d78ea1e55a059569f27
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	0d5054a54b00714f8180d1c001010101
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	010101010101023a801871382d40582c
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	4500fe1f1100001e000000ff00363433
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	58313138424159354c0a000000fc0044
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	454c4c204532333131480a20000000fd
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): 	00384c1e5311000a202020202020009d
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Printing probed modes for output DFP5
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x60.0  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1680x1050"x60.0  148.50  1680 2008 2052 2200  1050 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1400x1050"x60.0  148.50  1400 2008 2052 2200  1050 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1600x900"x60.0  148.50  1600 2008 2052 2200  900 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1360x1024"x60.0  148.50  1360 2008 2052 2200  1024 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1440x900"x60.0  148.50  1440 2008 2052 2200  900 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x960"x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  960 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x960"x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  960 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1152x864"x60.0  148.50  1152 2008 2052 2200  864 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1152x864"x75.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x768"x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  768 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x768"x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  768 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x720"x75.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  720 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x720"x60.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  720 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x75.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x75.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x75.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x60.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): EDID for output CRT1
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP1 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP2 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP3 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP4 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP5 connected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output CRT1 disconnected
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Using user preference for initial modes
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Output DFP5 using initial mode 1920x1080
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Eyefinity capable adapter detected.
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Adapter AMD Radeon HD 6670 has 6 configurable heads and 1 displays connected.
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0):  PseudoColor visuals disabled
+[    27.881] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
+[    27.881] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
+[    27.881] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): NoDRI = NO
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): Capabilities: 0x00000000
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): CapabilitiesEx: 0x00000000
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): OpenGL ClientDriverName: "fglrx_dri.so"
+[    27.881] (==) fglrx(0): UseFastTLS=0
+[    27.881] (II) fglrx(0): Desktop Vsync is enabled.
+[    27.881] (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
+[    27.882] (II) Loading extension ATIFGLRXDRI
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): doing swlDriScreenInit
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): swlDriScreenInit for fglrx driver
+[    27.882] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    27.882] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    27.882] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    27.882] ukiOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID PCI:1:0:0
+[    27.882] ukiOpenDevice: node name is /dev/ati/card0
+[    27.882] ukiOpenDevice: open result is 15, (OK)
+[    27.882] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiOpenMinor returns 15
+[    27.882] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiGetBusid reports PCI:1:0:0
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] DRM interface version 1.0
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] created "fglrx" driver at busid "PCI:1:0:0"
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] added 8192 byte SAREA at 0x2000
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] mapped SAREA 0x2000 to 0x7f7562272000
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] framebuffer handle = 0x3000
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] added 1 reserved context for kernel
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): swlDriScreenInit done
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Version Information:
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Name: fglrx
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Version: 8.98.2
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Date: May 22 2012
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Desc: AMD FireGL DRM kernel module
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version matches driver.
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Build Time Information:
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel UTS_RELEASE:        3.4.4-desktop-1.mga3
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel MODVERSIONS:        yes
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel __SMP__:            yes
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0):     Build-Kernel PAGE_SIZE:          0x1000
+[    27.882] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] register handle = 0x00004000
+[    28.016] (II) fglrx(0): DRI initialization successfull
+[    28.045] (II) fglrx(0): FBADPhys: 0xf00000000 FBMappedSize: 0x010e0000
+[    28.074] (==) fglrx(0): Backing store disabled
+[    28.074] (II) Loading extension FGLRXEXTENSION
+[    28.074] (**) fglrx(0): DPMS enabled
+[    28.074] (II) fglrx(0): Initialized in-driver Xinerama extension
+[    28.074] (**) fglrx(0): Textured Video is enabled.
+[    28.074] (II) LoadModule: "glesx"
+[    28.074] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/glesx.so
+[    28.653] (II) Module glesx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.653] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 1.0.0
+[    28.653] (II) Loading extension GLESX
+[    28.653] (II) fglrx(0): GLESX enableFlags = 592
+[    28.653] (II) fglrx(0): GLESX is enabled
+[    28.653] (II) LoadModule: "amdxmm"
+[    28.654] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/amdxmm.so
+[    28.710] (II) Module amdxmm: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    28.710] 	compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 2.0.0
+[    28.719] (II) Loading extension AMDXVOPL
+[    28.719] (II) Loading extension AMDXVBA
+[    28.761] (II) fglrx(0): UVD feature is enabled(II) fglrx(0): 
+[    28.762] (II) fglrx(0): Enable composite support successfully
+[    28.762] (II) fglrx(0): X context handle = 0x1
+[    28.762] (II) fglrx(0): [DRI] installation complete
+[    28.762] (==) fglrx(0): Silken mouse enabled
+[    28.762] (==) fglrx(0): Using HW cursor of display infrastructure!
+[    28.762] (II) fglrx(0): Disabling in-server RandR and enabling in-driver RandR 1.2.
+[    35.416] (--) RandR disabled
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
+[    35.416] (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
+[    35.417] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    35.417] ukiDynamicMajor: found major device number 251
+[    35.417] ukiOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID PCI:1:0:0
+[    35.417] ukiOpenDevice: node name is /dev/ati/card0
+[    35.417] ukiOpenDevice: open result is 16, (OK)
+[    35.417] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiOpenMinor returns 16
+[    35.417] ukiOpenByBusid: ukiGetBusid reports PCI:1:0:0
+[    37.630] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized OpenGL driver(II) GLX: Initialized DRI GL provider for screen 0
+[    37.709] (II) fglrx(0): Enable the clock gating!
+[    37.715] (II) fglrx(0): Desktop Vsync is enabled.
+[    37.715] (II) fglrx(0): Setting screen physical size to 508 x 285
+[    38.148] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-8AA988DD479FAABEC4FC3CCCF4CC29B4948840B4.xkm
+[    38.330] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event3)
+[    38.330] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    38.330] (II) LoadModule: "evdev"
+[    38.353] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so
+[    38.358] (II) Module evdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
+[    38.358] 	compiled for 1.12.2, module version = 2.7.0
+[    38.358] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
+[    38.358] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 16.0
+[    38.358] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    38.358] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    38.358] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event3"
+[    38.358] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[    38.358] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[    38.358] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    38.358] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input3/event3"
+[    38.358] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6)
+[    38.358] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    38.358] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    38.358] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us"
+[    38.358] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    38.359] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-4AC4573507EA3D200970ACC585B8C714F1E56AC6.xkm
+[    38.390] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event2)
+[    38.390] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    38.390] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button'
+[    38.390] (**) Power Button: always reports core events
+[    38.390] (**) evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event2"
+[    38.390] (--) evdev: Power Button: Vendor 0 Product 0x1
+[    38.390] (--) evdev: Power Button: Found keys
+[    38.390] (II) evdev: Power Button: Configuring as keyboard
+[    38.390] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0C:00/input/input2/event2"
+[    38.390] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Power Button" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7)
+[    38.390] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    38.390] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    38.390] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us"
+[    38.390] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    38.390] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HD-Audio Generic HDMI/DP,pcm=3 (/dev/input/event8)
+[    38.390] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.390] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.390] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Rear Mic (/dev/input/event4)
+[    38.390] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.390] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.390] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Front Mic (/dev/input/event5)
+[    38.390] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.390] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.391] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Front Headphone (/dev/input/event6)
+[    38.391] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.391] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.391] (II) config/udev: Adding input device HDA Intel PCH Line Out (/dev/input/event7)
+[    38.391] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.391] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.391] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
+[    38.391] (**) Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall"
+[    38.391] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard'
+[    38.391] (**) Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: always reports core events
+[    38.391] (**) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Device: "/dev/input/event0"
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Vendor 0x413c Product 0x2107
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Found keys
+[    38.391] (II) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Configuring as keyboard
+[    38.391] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.5/2-1.5:1.0/input/input0/event0"
+[    38.391] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD, id 8)
+[    38.391] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
+[    38.391] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
+[    38.391] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us"
+[    38.391] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin"
+[    38.391] (II) config/udev: Adding input device USB Optical Mouse (/dev/input/event1)
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: Applying InputClass "evdev pointer catchall"
+[    38.391] (II) Using input driver 'evdev' for 'USB Optical Mouse'
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: always reports core events
+[    38.391] (**) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Device: "/dev/input/event1"
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Vendor 0x461 Product 0x4d81
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found 3 mouse buttons
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found scroll wheel(s)
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found relative axes
+[    38.391] (--) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Found x and y relative axes
+[    38.391] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Configuring as mouse
+[    38.391] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Adding scrollwheel support
+[    38.391] (**) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: YAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
+[    38.391] (**) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200
+[    38.391] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.6/2-1.6:1.0/input/input1/event1"
+[    38.391] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "USB Optical Mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 9)
+[    38.391] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: initialized for relative axes.
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
+[    38.391] (**) USB Optical Mouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
+[    38.392] (II) config/udev: Adding input device USB Optical Mouse (/dev/input/mouse0)
+[    38.392] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
+[    38.392] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
+[    38.427] (II) fglrx(0): Restoring Recent Mode via PCS is not supported in RANDR 1.2 capable environments
+[    41.650] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-5514E07B8B6B4E906FEEA3AA00903148E4C862E4.xkm
+[    66.512] (II) XKB: generating xkmfile /usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/server-B3A90A98DF79C73B4D638157E555A0FE2721D097.xkm
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): EDID vendor "DEL", prod id 61493
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz eP)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "720x400"x0.0   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1152x864"x0.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[    73.090] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x60.0  172.80  1920 2040 2248 2576  1080 1081 1084 1118 -hsync +vsync (67.1 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): EDID vendor "DEL", prod id 61493
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz eP)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0   40.00  800 840 968 1056  600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "720x400"x0.0   28.32  720 738 846 900  400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1152x864"x0.0  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
+[    93.759] (II) fglrx(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x60.0  172.80  1920 2040 2248 2576  1080 1081 1084 1118 -hsync +vsync (67.1 kHz e)
+[ 26151.143] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close
+[ 26151.143] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[ 26151.153] (II) evdev: Power Button: Close
+[ 26151.153] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[ 26151.168] (II) evdev: Dell Dell USB Entry Keyboard: Close
+[ 26151.168] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[ 26151.184] (II) evdev: USB Optical Mouse: Close
+[ 26151.184] (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
+[ 26151.188] (II) fglrx(0): Shutdown CMMQS
+[ 26151.188] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] removed 1 reserved context for kernel
+[ 26151.188] (II) fglrx(0): [uki] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0x2000 at 0x7f7562272000
+[ 26151.239] (II) fglrx(0): Interrupt handler Shutdown.
+[ 26151.410] Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"/>
+ </head><body style="">
+ 
+ 
+  <div>
+   [rfox@ThinkFox ~]$ evolution 
+   <br/>GLib (gthread-posix.c): Unexpected error from C library during &#39;pthread_mutex_lock&#39;: Invalid argument.&#160; Aborting.
+   <br/>Aborted
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   &#160;
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   <br/>[rfox@ThinkFox ~]$ rpm -qa | grep evolution
+   <br/>evolution-data-server-3.5.90-2.mga3
+   <br/>evolution-3.5.5.1-1.mga3
+   <br/>nautilus-sendto-evolution-3.5.3-1.mga3
+   <br/>evolution-webcal-2.32.0-4.mga2
+   <br/>
+   <br/>
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   Won&#39;t start at all- what can I do??
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   &#160;
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   Thx,
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   R.Fox
+  </div>
+ 
+</body></html>
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@@ -0,0 +1,36 @@
+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"/>
+ </head><body style="">
+ 
+ 
+  <div>
+   [rfox@ThinkFox ~]$ evolution 
+   <br/>GLib (gthread-posix.c): Unexpected error from C library during &#39;pthread_mutex_lock&#39;: Invalid argument.&#160; Aborting.
+   <br/>Aborted
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   &#160;
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   <br/>[rfox@ThinkFox ~]$ rpm -qa | grep evolution
+   <br/>evolution-data-server-3.5.90-2.mga3
+   <br/>evolution-3.5.5.1-1.mga3
+   <br/>nautilus-sendto-evolution-3.5.3-1.mga3
+   <br/>evolution-webcal-2.32.0-4.mga2
+   <br/>
+   <br/>
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   Won&#39;t start at all- what can I do??
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   &#160;
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   Thx,
+  </div> 
+  <div>
+   R.Fox
+  </div>
+ 
+</body></html>
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+<p>On Aug 22, 2012 5:52 PM, &quot;Anne Nicolas&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; We will have a meeting tonight as usual at 19h UTC. Here are the proposed topics:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Coming Mageia 3 alpha 1 release<br>
+&gt; - kernel support for Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; - mentoring review + siplew account<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As usual feel free to add another one</p>
+<p>I would add all the open questions that are holding back mass rebuild. :)</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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+<p>On Aug 22, 2012 5:52 PM, &quot;Anne Nicolas&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; We will have a meeting tonight as usual at 19h UTC. Here are the proposed topics:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Coming Mageia 3 alpha 1 release<br>
+&gt; - kernel support for Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; - mentoring review + siplew account<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As usual feel free to add another one</p>
+<p>I would add all the open questions that are holding back mass rebuild. :)</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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+Does it work better with latest evolution?<br><br>在 2012年8月23日星期四，List Lister &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; [rfox@ThinkFox ~]$ evolution<br>&gt; GLib (gthread-posix.c): Unexpected error from C library during &#39;pthread_mutex_lock&#39;: Invalid argument.  Aborting.<br>
+&gt; Aborted<br>&gt;  <br>&gt; [rfox@ThinkFox ~]$ rpm -qa | grep evolution<br>&gt; evolution-data-server-3.5.90-2.mga3<br>&gt; evolution-3.5.5.1-1.mga3<br>&gt; nautilus-sendto-evolution-3.5.3-1.mga3<br>&gt; evolution-webcal-2.32.0-4.mga2<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; Won&#39;t start at all- what can I do??<br>&gt;  <br>&gt; Thx,<br>&gt; R.Fox
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+Does it work better with latest evolution?<br><br>在 2012年8月23日星期四，List Lister &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; [rfox@ThinkFox ~]$ evolution<br>&gt; GLib (gthread-posix.c): Unexpected error from C library during &#39;pthread_mutex_lock&#39;: Invalid argument.  Aborting.<br>
+&gt; Aborted<br>&gt;  <br>&gt; [rfox@ThinkFox ~]$ rpm -qa | grep evolution<br>&gt; evolution-data-server-3.5.90-2.mga3<br>&gt; evolution-3.5.5.1-1.mga3<br>&gt; nautilus-sendto-evolution-3.5.3-1.mga3<br>&gt; evolution-webcal-2.32.0-4.mga2<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; Won&#39;t start at all- what can I do??<br>&gt;  <br>&gt; Thx,<br>&gt; R.Fox
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+<div><div>I think removing mod python and ruby is an error</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Colin Guthrie &lt;mageia@colin.guthr.ie&gt; escribió:<br><br>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 23/08/12 20:01 did gyre and gimble:<br>&gt; Le 20/08/2012 20:49, Guillaume Rousse a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; Unless someone step it to fix pending issues, those packages should<br>&gt;&gt; better get dropped.<br>&gt; I just removed madwifi-sources, apache-mod_python and apache-mod_ruby<br>&gt; from the subversion repository. I need an admin to remove the<br>&gt; corresponding packages (including the debug ones) from the distribution<br>&gt; tree.<br><br>By "removed" do you mean "svn mv'ed" to the obsolete folder?<br><br>I think that's generally better than removing (and we can potentially<br>use it to prevent people importing packages that are listed there should<br>they come in without knowing).<br><br>Col<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Colin Guthrie<br>colin(at)mageia.org<br>http://colin.guthr.ie/<br><br>Day Job:<br>&nbsp; Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/<br>Open Source:<br>&nbsp; Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/<br>&nbsp; PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/<br>&nbsp; Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org/<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<div><div>I think removing mod python and ruby is an error</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Colin Guthrie &lt;mageia@colin.guthr.ie&gt; escribió:<br><br>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 23/08/12 20:01 did gyre and gimble:<br>&gt; Le 20/08/2012 20:49, Guillaume Rousse a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; Unless someone step it to fix pending issues, those packages should<br>&gt;&gt; better get dropped.<br>&gt; I just removed madwifi-sources, apache-mod_python and apache-mod_ruby<br>&gt; from the subversion repository. I need an admin to remove the<br>&gt; corresponding packages (including the debug ones) from the distribution<br>&gt; tree.<br><br>By "removed" do you mean "svn mv'ed" to the obsolete folder?<br><br>I think that's generally better than removing (and we can potentially<br>use it to prevent people importing packages that are listed there should<br>they come in without knowing).<br><br>Col<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Colin Guthrie<br>colin(at)mageia.org<br>http://colin.guthr.ie/<br><br>Day Job:<br>&nbsp; Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/<br>Open Source:<br>&nbsp; Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/<br>&nbsp; PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/<br>&nbsp; Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org/<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<div><div>Is it a big change from mga2?</div><div><br/></div><div>I did test 3 months ago in a 2tb disk, eventually i lost info.</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; escribió:<br><br>On 8 August 2012 10:56, Pascal Terjan &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Initial btrfs support<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In case someone is interested:<br>&gt; - It works fine here<br><br>Errr, I've some serious doubts...<br>You added a 'config' parameter to clean_all_chroot_tmp()<br>... but you never pass it!!!!<br>some sudo commands will just fail in some cases...<br><br>You would have caught it would you have run perl_checker... :-(<br><br>I've fixed it.<br>Running iurt locally (not using btrfs) works OK.<br>Please check on your end with btrfs.<br><br>&gt; - Building a package on my machine takes 12/13s vs 18/20s using a<br>&gt; tarball. Savings would be less visible if using tmpfs or a ssd (time<br>&gt; savings happen at two times: when creating the chroot we don't need to<br>&gt; untar it, and when deleting it we don't need to rm -rf)<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<div><div>Is it a big change from mga2?</div><div><br/></div><div>I did test 3 months ago in a 2tb disk, eventually i lost info.</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt; escribió:<br><br>On 8 August 2012 10:56, Pascal Terjan &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Initial btrfs support<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In case someone is interested:<br>&gt; - It works fine here<br><br>Errr, I've some serious doubts...<br>You added a 'config' parameter to clean_all_chroot_tmp()<br>... but you never pass it!!!!<br>some sudo commands will just fail in some cases...<br><br>You would have caught it would you have run perl_checker... :-(<br><br>I've fixed it.<br>Running iurt locally (not using btrfs) works OK.<br>Please check on your end with btrfs.<br><br>&gt; - Building a package on my machine takes 12/13s vs 18/20s using a<br>&gt; tarball. Savings would be less visible if using tmpfs or a ssd (time<br>&gt; savings happen at two times: when creating the chroot we don't need to<br>&gt; untar it, and when deleting it we don't need to rm -rf)<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+Hi all.<br>In my  ocsinventory.spec file:<br><br>Requires php-gd <br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">ocsinventory</span> <span class="hps">builds successfully</span></span><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">When I install</span> <span class="hps">the package</span></span> with urpmi: <br>
+<br>[root@cualdron64 noarch]# urpmi ocsinventory-*<br>Para satisfacer la dependencia «php-gd», se necesita uno de los paquetes siguientes:<br> 1- php-gd-5.3.15-1.mga2.x86_64: GD extension module for PHP (para instalar)<br>
+ 2- php-gd-bundled-5.3.15-1.mga2.x86_64: GD extension module for PHP (para instalar)<br>¿Qué elige? (1-2)<br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What is the</span> <span class="hps">difference between</span></span> php-gd and php-gd-bundled?<br>
+<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">Why</span> <span class="hps">urpmi</span> <span class="hps">does not choose</span> <span class="hps">the first</span><span class="">?</span></span><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps"></span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps"><br>
+Sorry, i&#39;m novice packager :-)</span><span class="hps"></span><span class="hps"></span></span><br><br>Best regards<br><br><br>Bersuit.<br><br><br>
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+Hi all.<br>In my  ocsinventory.spec file:<br><br>Requires php-gd <br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">ocsinventory</span> <span class="hps">builds successfully</span></span><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">When I install</span> <span class="hps">the package</span></span> with urpmi: <br>
+<br>[root@cualdron64 noarch]# urpmi ocsinventory-*<br>Para satisfacer la dependencia «php-gd», se necesita uno de los paquetes siguientes:<br> 1- php-gd-5.3.15-1.mga2.x86_64: GD extension module for PHP (para instalar)<br>
+ 2- php-gd-bundled-5.3.15-1.mga2.x86_64: GD extension module for PHP (para instalar)<br>¿Qué elige? (1-2)<br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What is the</span> <span class="hps">difference between</span></span> php-gd and php-gd-bundled?<br>
+<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">Why</span> <span class="hps">urpmi</span> <span class="hps">does not choose</span> <span class="hps">the first</span><span class="">?</span></span><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps"></span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps"><br>
+Sorry, i&#39;m novice packager :-)</span><span class="hps"></span><span class="hps"></span></span><br><br>Best regards<br><br><br>Bersuit.<br><br><br>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/30/2012 08:01 AM, Frank Griffin
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:503F5606.5020009@roadrunner.com" type="cite">On
+      08/30/2012 07:45 AM, Remco Rijnders wrote:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <br>
+        Courtesy of wobo, this is what we used last weekend:
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        - Add "init 3" to the boot parameters, this should take you to
+        text only login.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        - Run XFDrake to see what driver you are using and possibly
+        adjust it if needed.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      That will work fine, if you're lucky enough to have a driver/card
+      that works in text mode without firmware.&nbsp;&nbsp; Unfortunately, the
+      older ATI ones don't.
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    FWIW my laptop has an ATI Radeon Mobility 4250 and I do a fresh
+    cauldron install about every other week.&nbsp; I do have initial issues
+    with the Radeon upon first boot; however, I always just login to run
+    level 3, (I add "ro 3" not "init 3", but get the same result.)&nbsp; add
+    the non-free repo then install the needed drivers, firmware and
+    fglrx kernel mod.&nbsp; Reboot to RL3 again.&nbsp; Run the display setup
+    program. Adjust settings accordingly, then reboot to RL5 and proceed
+    normally. <br>
+    <br>
+    Regards<br>
+    <br>
+    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
+      <h4><font color="teal"><i>"A mind that is stretched by a new
+            experience can never go back to its old dimensions."</i></font></h4>
+      <h5><font color="tan"><b>~Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.</b></font></h5>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/30/2012 08:01 AM, Frank Griffin
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:503F5606.5020009@roadrunner.com" type="cite">On
+      08/30/2012 07:45 AM, Remco Rijnders wrote:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <br>
+        Courtesy of wobo, this is what we used last weekend:
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        - Add "init 3" to the boot parameters, this should take you to
+        text only login.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+        - Run XFDrake to see what driver you are using and possibly
+        adjust it if needed.
+        <br>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      That will work fine, if you're lucky enough to have a driver/card
+      that works in text mode without firmware.&nbsp;&nbsp; Unfortunately, the
+      older ATI ones don't.
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    FWIW my laptop has an ATI Radeon Mobility 4250 and I do a fresh
+    cauldron install about every other week.&nbsp; I do have initial issues
+    with the Radeon upon first boot; however, I always just login to run
+    level 3, (I add "ro 3" not "init 3", but get the same result.)&nbsp; add
+    the non-free repo then install the needed drivers, firmware and
+    fglrx kernel mod.&nbsp; Reboot to RL3 again.&nbsp; Run the display setup
+    program. Adjust settings accordingly, then reboot to RL5 and proceed
+    normally. <br>
+    <br>
+    Regards<br>
+    <br>
+    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
+      <h4><font color="teal"><i>"A mind that is stretched by a new
+            experience can never go back to its old dimensions."</i></font></h4>
+      <h5><font color="tan"><b>~Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.</b></font></h5>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+
+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
+<head profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11">
+	<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
+	<title>An Email from Zoosk</title>
+</head>
+<body style="background:#3d7ff8;">
+	<div style="background:#3d7ff8;padding:10px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;">
+		<table style="background:#3d7ff8;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
+			<tr>
+				<td style="padding:10px 0;"><img src="https://d1gw9egox2swwv.cloudfront.net/20120828/images/email/logo.png" alt="" /></td>
+			</tr>
+		</table>
+		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="background:#fff; border:8px solid #8eb1f0;vertical-align:top">
+			<tr>
+				<td>
+					
+<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="vertical-align:top">
+	<tr>
+		<td colspan="3" style="padding: 25px 30px;">
+			<h2 style="color:#3d7ff8; font-size:26px; font-weight:bold; line-height:30px; margin: 0;">Kristoffer Grundström har lagt till dig som vän på Zoosk. </h2>
+		</td>
+	</tr>
+	
+	<tr>
+		<td style="padding: 0 15px 30px 10px; padding: 0 0 30px 30px; vertical-align:bottom;">
+		    			<a href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?invite-token=0810de2c07c2c4ab3af9210ea042b6e4&amp;t_ctr=IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-photo-IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">
+				<img alt="Kristoffer Grundström" src="https://d6vb69kil3yqp.cloudfront.net/731a0fd6fae2cec74df8a9d607b6dde4/72927154_small.jpg" width="95" height="95" align="right" style="border:3px solid #3d7ff8; vertical-align:top; margin-right: 30px;"/>
+			</a>
+					</td>
+		
+		<td width="100%" style="padding: 0 0 30px; vertical-align:bottom;">
+			<p style="color:#666; font-size:16px;">Är Kristoffer Grundström din vän?</p>
+			
+			<div style="overflow: hidden;">
+    			<a style="background-color:#75a833; border:1px solid #1d5a22; color: #fff; display: block; float:left; font-size:17px; margin-right: 10px; font-weight:bold; padding:8px; text-align:center; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:middle; width:100px;" href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?invite-token=0810de2c07c2c4ab3af9210ea042b6e4&amp;t_ctr=IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-yes-IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">Ja</a>
+    			<a style="background-color:#75a833; border:1px solid #1d5a22; color: #fff; display: block; float:left; font-size:17px; margin-right: 10px; font-weight:bold; padding:8px; text-align:center; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:middle; width:100px; background-color: #999;" href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?t_ctr=IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-no-IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">Nej</a>
+			</div>
+		</td>
+		<td width="10" style="width:10px">&nbsp;</td>
+	</tr>
+</table>				</td>
+			</tr>
+		</table>
+		<div style="text-align:center;">
+
+
+<div style="color:#fff; font-size:12px; font-weight:bold; line-height:18px; margin:15px auto 0; padding:15px; text-align:center;">
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		Det här meddelandet har skickats av en Zoosk-användare som angav din e-postadress.		Om du inte vill få e-postmeddelanden som andra skickar till dig via Zoosk <a href="https://www.zoosk.com/optout.php?with=mageia-dev%40mageia.org&amp;key=9ee1a6c58f88273346e8ff1aa3389f81&amp;from=email_invite" style="color:#cedefb">klickar du här</a>.	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		Du har mottagit det här meddelandet på e-postadressen: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" style="color:#cedefb;">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>
+	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px; color:#f4f3bc;">					
+		Copyright &copy; 2007-2012 Zoosk, 989 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94103 USA.	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		<a href="http://www.zoosk.com/privacy" style="color:#cedefb;">Sekretess</a>
+	</p>
+</div>
+	<img alt="Zoosk" style="display:none !important;visibility:hidden;" src="http://api.zoosk.com/callback/t.php?openratetracking=IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E" />
+</div>
+	</div>
+</body>
+</html>
+
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+
+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
+<head profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11">
+	<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
+	<title>An Email from Zoosk</title>
+</head>
+<body style="background:#3d7ff8;">
+	<div style="background:#3d7ff8;padding:10px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;">
+		<table style="background:#3d7ff8;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
+			<tr>
+				<td style="padding:10px 0;"><img src="https://d1gw9egox2swwv.cloudfront.net/20120828/images/email/logo.png" alt="" /></td>
+			</tr>
+		</table>
+		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="background:#fff; border:8px solid #8eb1f0;vertical-align:top">
+			<tr>
+				<td>
+					
+<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="vertical-align:top">
+	<tr>
+		<td colspan="3" style="padding: 25px 30px;">
+			<h2 style="color:#3d7ff8; font-size:26px; font-weight:bold; line-height:30px; margin: 0;">Kristoffer Grundström har lagt till dig som vän på Zoosk. </h2>
+		</td>
+	</tr>
+	
+	<tr>
+		<td style="padding: 0 15px 30px 10px; padding: 0 0 30px 30px; vertical-align:bottom;">
+		    			<a href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?invite-token=0810de2c07c2c4ab3af9210ea042b6e4&amp;t_ctr=IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-photo-IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">
+				<img alt="Kristoffer Grundström" src="https://d6vb69kil3yqp.cloudfront.net/731a0fd6fae2cec74df8a9d607b6dde4/72927154_small.jpg" width="95" height="95" align="right" style="border:3px solid #3d7ff8; vertical-align:top; margin-right: 30px;"/>
+			</a>
+					</td>
+		
+		<td width="100%" style="padding: 0 0 30px; vertical-align:bottom;">
+			<p style="color:#666; font-size:16px;">Är Kristoffer Grundström din vän?</p>
+			
+			<div style="overflow: hidden;">
+    			<a style="background-color:#75a833; border:1px solid #1d5a22; color: #fff; display: block; float:left; font-size:17px; margin-right: 10px; font-weight:bold; padding:8px; text-align:center; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:middle; width:100px;" href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?invite-token=0810de2c07c2c4ab3af9210ea042b6e4&amp;t_ctr=IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-yes-IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">Ja</a>
+    			<a style="background-color:#75a833; border:1px solid #1d5a22; color: #fff; display: block; float:left; font-size:17px; margin-right: 10px; font-weight:bold; padding:8px; text-align:center; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:middle; width:100px; background-color: #999;" href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?t_ctr=IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-no-IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">Nej</a>
+			</div>
+		</td>
+		<td width="10" style="width:10px">&nbsp;</td>
+	</tr>
+</table>				</td>
+			</tr>
+		</table>
+		<div style="text-align:center;">
+
+
+<div style="color:#fff; font-size:12px; font-weight:bold; line-height:18px; margin:15px auto 0; padding:15px; text-align:center;">
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		Det här meddelandet har skickats av en Zoosk-användare som angav din e-postadress.		Om du inte vill få e-postmeddelanden som andra skickar till dig via Zoosk <a href="https://www.zoosk.com/optout.php?with=mageia-dev%40mageia.org&amp;key=9ee1a6c58f88273346e8ff1aa3389f81&amp;from=email_invite" style="color:#cedefb">klickar du här</a>.	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		Du har mottagit det här meddelandet på e-postadressen: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" style="color:#cedefb;">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a>
+	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px; color:#f4f3bc;">					
+		Copyright &copy; 2007-2012 Zoosk, 989 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94103 USA.	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		<a href="http://www.zoosk.com/privacy" style="color:#cedefb;">Sekretess</a>
+	</p>
+</div>
+	<img alt="Zoosk" style="display:none !important;visibility:hidden;" src="http://api.zoosk.com/callback/t.php?openratetracking=IN_70_90_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E" />
+</div>
+	</div>
+</body>
+</html>
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+%global parrot_version 4.6.0
+
+%define parrot_dynext  %{_libdir}/parrot/%{parrot_version}/dynext
+%define par_lang_perl6 %{_libdir}/parrot/%{parrot_version}/languages/perl6
+
+Name:           rakudo
+Version:        2012.08
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+
+Summary:        A Perl compiler on Parrot
+License:        Artistic 2.0
+Group:          Development/Perl 
+URL:            http://www.rakudo.org/
+Source0:        http://github.com/downloads/rakudo/rakudo/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+
+BuildRequires:  gdbm-devel
+BuildRequires:  gmp-devel
+BuildRequires:  libicu-devel
+BuildRequires:  ncurses-devel
+BuildRequires:  parrot       >= %{parrot_version}
+BuildRequires:  parrot-devel >= %{parrot_version}
+BuildRequires:  parrot-src   >= %{parrot_version}
+BuildRequires:  readline-devel
+
+BuildRoot:      %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}
+
+%description
+Rakudo Perl 6, or just Rakudo, is a Perl 6 compiler for the Parrot virtual
+machine. Rakudo is an implementation of the Perl 6 specification that runs
+on the Parrot VM. 
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}
+
+%build
+%{__perl} Configure.pl
+%make
+
+%check
+%make test
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%doc CREDITS LICENSE README
+%{_bindir}/perl6
+%{_mandir}/*
+%{parrot_dynext}
+%{par_lang_perl6}
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+%global parrot_version 4.6.0
+
+%define parrot_dynext  %{_libdir}/parrot/%{parrot_version}/dynext
+%define par_lang_perl6 %{_libdir}/parrot/%{parrot_version}/languages/perl6
+
+Name:           rakudo
+Version:        2012.08
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+
+Summary:        A Perl compiler on Parrot
+License:        Artistic 2.0
+Group:          Development/Perl 
+URL:            http://www.rakudo.org/
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+
+BuildRequires:  gdbm-devel
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+BuildRequires:  libicu-devel
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+BuildRequires:  parrot-devel >= %{parrot_version}
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+BuildRequires:  readline-devel
+
+BuildRoot:      %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}
+
+%description
+Rakudo Perl 6, or just Rakudo, is a Perl 6 compiler for the Parrot virtual
+machine. Rakudo is an implementation of the Perl 6 specification that runs
+on the Parrot VM. 
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}
+
+%build
+%{__perl} Configure.pl
+%make
+
+%check
+%make test
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall_std
+
+%clean
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+
+%files
+%defattr(-,root,root,-)
+%doc CREDITS LICENSE README
+%{_bindir}/perl6
+%{_mandir}/*
+%{parrot_dynext}
+%{par_lang_perl6}
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+A trivial correction for the wiki page : <br><br>The part saying <br>&quot;and finally our first official release planned in May.&quot;<br>just before <br>&quot;More info about <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development" title="Mageia 3 development" target="_blank">Mageia 3 development</a>.
+&quot;<br>seems to be a leftover from the Mageia 1 release.<br><br>It should be<br>&quot;and finally the official release.&quot;<br>or something similar.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Alpha 1 isos are now on the way and tested by QA team before being uploaded on public mirrors. Please have a look here:<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Mageia_3_alpha1</a><br>
+<br>
+Add anything that can be usefull for people interested in Mageia 3 development.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+A trivial correction for the wiki page : <br><br>The part saying <br>&quot;and finally our first official release planned in May.&quot;<br>just before <br>&quot;More info about <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development" title="Mageia 3 development" target="_blank">Mageia 3 development</a>.
+&quot;<br>seems to be a leftover from the Mageia 1 release.<br><br>It should be<br>&quot;and finally the official release.&quot;<br>or something similar.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Alpha 1 isos are now on the way and tested by QA team before being uploaded on public mirrors. Please have a look here:<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha1" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Mageia_3_alpha1</a><br>
+<br>
+Add anything that can be usefull for people interested in Mageia 3 development.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+commit 8d6a6fa7ca65da266b878f8d45311b77fa5b0d20
+Author: Dousig <thierry.vignaud@gmail.com>
+Date:   Thu Sep 6 18:08:27 2012 +0200
+
+    fix false positive when looking for errors
+    
+    (spot by boklm)
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 59db42e..067e370 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
+ 0.6.10 (unreleased)
++- fix false positive when looking for errors
+ 
+ 0.6.9
+ - failing to mount /dev/pts is not a fatal error
+diff --git a/iurt b/iurt
+index 56aa63e..f8d6ad0 100755
+--- a/iurt
++++ b/iurt
+@@ -964,7 +964,7 @@ retry:
+ 			exit();
+ 		    }
+ 		    plog('DEBUG', "calling callback for $opt->{hash}");
+-		    if ($output =~ m!/bin/ld: cannot find -l(\S*)|configure.*error.* (?:-l(\S+)|(\S+) includes)!) {
++		    if ($output =~ m!/bin/ld: cannot find -l(\S*)|configure.*[^W]error.* (?:-l(\S+)|(\S+) includes)!) {
+ 			my $missing = $1;
+ 			my @rpm = find_provides(\%pack_provide, $missing);
+ 			plog(5, "likely @rpm ($missing-devel) needed to rebuilt $srpm is not in build_requires");
\ No newline at end of file
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index 000000000..f107b430a
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+commit 8d6a6fa7ca65da266b878f8d45311b77fa5b0d20
+Author: Dousig <thierry.vignaud@gmail.com>
+Date:   Thu Sep 6 18:08:27 2012 +0200
+
+    fix false positive when looking for errors
+    
+    (spot by boklm)
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index 59db42e..067e370 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
+ 0.6.10 (unreleased)
++- fix false positive when looking for errors
+ 
+ 0.6.9
+ - failing to mount /dev/pts is not a fatal error
+diff --git a/iurt b/iurt
+index 56aa63e..f8d6ad0 100755
+--- a/iurt
++++ b/iurt
+@@ -964,7 +964,7 @@ retry:
+ 			exit();
+ 		    }
+ 		    plog('DEBUG', "calling callback for $opt->{hash}");
+-		    if ($output =~ m!/bin/ld: cannot find -l(\S*)|configure.*error.* (?:-l(\S+)|(\S+) includes)!) {
++		    if ($output =~ m!/bin/ld: cannot find -l(\S*)|configure.*[^W]error.* (?:-l(\S+)|(\S+) includes)!) {
+ 			my $missing = $1;
+ 			my @rpm = find_provides(\%pack_provide, $missing);
+ 			plog(5, "likely @rpm ($missing-devel) needed to rebuilt $srpm is not in build_requires");
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+diff --git a/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm b/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
+index ba87464..6e95dc0 100644
+--- a/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
++++ b/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
+@@ -300,23 +300,11 @@ sub check_chroot_need_update {
+ 
+ sub create_build_chroot {
+     my ($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config) = @_;
+-    my $ret = 0;
+     if ($run->{storage} eq 'btrfs') {
+-        $ret = create_build_chroot_btrfs($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
++        return create_build_chroot_btrfs($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
+     } else {
+-        $ret = create_build_chroot_tar($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
++        return create_build_chroot_tar($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
+     }
+-
+-    if ($ret) {
+-        my $urpmi = $run->{urpmi};
+-        if ($urpmi->{use__urpmi_root} && !$run->{chrooted_urpmi}) {
+-	    if (!$urpmi->add_media__urpmi_root($chroot, $config->{base_media})) {
+-	        plog('ERROR', "urpmi.addmedia --urpmi-root failed");
+-	        return;
+-	    }
+-        }
+-    }
+-    return $ret;
+ }
+ 
+ sub create_build_chroot_tar {
+@@ -440,8 +428,11 @@ sub build_chroot {
+     }
+ 
+     # remove files used by --urpmi-root
+-    sudo($config, "--rm", "$tmp_chroot/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg");
+-    sudo($config, "--rm", "$tmp_chroot/var/lib/urpmi/*");
++    #if (!$urpmi->{use__urpmi_root} || $run->{chrooted_urpmi}) {
++    if (!($urpmi->{use__urpmi_root} && !$run->{chrooted_urpmi})) {
++       sudo($config, "--rm", "$tmp_chroot/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg");
++       sudo($config, "--rm", "$tmp_chroot/var/lib/urpmi/*");
++    }
+ 
+     # rpm is not running as root and cannot directly write to $tmp_chroot/var/log/qa
+     system("rpm -qa --root $tmp_chroot --qf '\%{NAME}-\%{VERSION}-\%{RELEASE}.\%{ARCH}\n' | sort > $tmp_chroot/tmp/qa");
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+diff --git a/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm b/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
+index ba87464..6e95dc0 100644
+--- a/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
++++ b/lib/Iurt/Chroot.pm
+@@ -300,23 +300,11 @@ sub check_chroot_need_update {
+ 
+ sub create_build_chroot {
+     my ($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config) = @_;
+-    my $ret = 0;
+     if ($run->{storage} eq 'btrfs') {
+-        $ret = create_build_chroot_btrfs($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
++        return create_build_chroot_btrfs($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
+     } else {
+-        $ret = create_build_chroot_tar($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
++        return create_build_chroot_tar($chroot, $chroot_ref, $run, $config);
+     }
+-
+-    if ($ret) {
+-        my $urpmi = $run->{urpmi};
+-        if ($urpmi->{use__urpmi_root} && !$run->{chrooted_urpmi}) {
+-	    if (!$urpmi->add_media__urpmi_root($chroot, $config->{base_media})) {
+-	        plog('ERROR', "urpmi.addmedia --urpmi-root failed");
+-	        return;
+-	    }
+-        }
+-    }
+-    return $ret;
+ }
+ 
+ sub create_build_chroot_tar {
+@@ -440,8 +428,11 @@ sub build_chroot {
+     }
+ 
+     # remove files used by --urpmi-root
+-    sudo($config, "--rm", "$tmp_chroot/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg");
+-    sudo($config, "--rm", "$tmp_chroot/var/lib/urpmi/*");
++    #if (!$urpmi->{use__urpmi_root} || $run->{chrooted_urpmi}) {
++    if (!($urpmi->{use__urpmi_root} && !$run->{chrooted_urpmi})) {
++       sudo($config, "--rm", "$tmp_chroot/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg");
++       sudo($config, "--rm", "$tmp_chroot/var/lib/urpmi/*");
++    }
+ 
+     # rpm is not running as root and cannot directly write to $tmp_chroot/var/log/qa
+     system("rpm -qa --root $tmp_chroot --qf '\%{NAME}-\%{VERSION}-\%{RELEASE}.\%{ARCH}\n' | sort > $tmp_chroot/tmp/qa");
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+Hi,&nbsp;<div>If you may recall about a month or two ago, there was a discussion on having a workaround/patch concerning the blue "Tinge" issue when hardware acceleration is enabled in the flash player settings, specifically when watching a video on you tube<br><br></div><div>I would like to kindly ask, where would I download the source for the vdpau workaround/patch?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>And also, if it is not too much Trouble, could any of you provide, any Technical detail as to why it gets a blue tinge, or provide a link giving such information?</div><div><br></div><div>Finally,&nbsp;</div><div>How is mageia in terms of Finances ?</div><div>I have donated in the past, twice in the spring of this year</div><div><br></div><div>And I am willing to do so again, If needed</div><div><br></div><div>But I would rather contribute this way as I can not find time away from work to be a QA tester or otherwise</div><div><br></div><div>Many Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Jacob D.</div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />Le 8 sept. 2012 12:22, &quot;mikala&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</span></a>&gt; a écrit :<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Name        : kde-base-artwork             Relocations: (not relocatable)<br />&gt; Version     : 4.9.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br />&gt; Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Sat Sep  8 17:15:57 2012<br />&gt; Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">jonund.mageia.org</span></a><br />&gt; Group       : Graphical desktop/KDE         Source RPM: (none)<br />&gt; Size        : 16457459                         License: GPLv2<br />&gt; Signature   : (none)<br />&gt; Packager    : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;<br />&gt; Summary     : KDE 4 application workspace components<br />&gt; Description :<br />&gt; This package provides the Air and Ariya Splash Screen.<br />&gt;<br />&gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.1-1.mga3:<br />&gt; + Revision: 289658<br />&gt; - Update tarball to 4.9.1<br />&gt; - Fix folder path<br />&gt; - Remove epoch<br />&gt; - Fix name in Theme.rc to match Air folder (so we can have a description in systemsettings)<br />&gt; - imported package kde-base-artwork<br />No.<br />I forgot to remove the epoch when I created the initial src.rpm .<br />It was of course never submitted on the bs so it won't break any upgrade.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia Contributor</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />Le 8 sept. 2012 12:22, &quot;mikala&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</span></a>&gt; a écrit :<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Name        : kde-base-artwork             Relocations: (not relocatable)<br />&gt; Version     : 4.9.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br />&gt; Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Sat Sep  8 17:15:57 2012<br />&gt; Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">jonund.mageia.org</span></a><br />&gt; Group       : Graphical desktop/KDE         Source RPM: (none)<br />&gt; Size        : 16457459                         License: GPLv2<br />&gt; Signature   : (none)<br />&gt; Packager    : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;<br />&gt; Summary     : KDE 4 application workspace components<br />&gt; Description :<br />&gt; This package provides the Air and Ariya Splash Screen.<br />&gt;<br />&gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.1-1.mga3:<br />&gt; + Revision: 289658<br />&gt; - Update tarball to 4.9.1<br />&gt; - Fix folder path<br />&gt; - Remove epoch<br />&gt; - Fix name in Theme.rc to match Air folder (so we can have a description in systemsettings)<br />&gt; - imported package kde-base-artwork<br />No.<br />I forgot to remove the epoch when I created the initial src.rpm .<br />It was of course never submitted on the bs so it won't break any upgrade.</p>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long additionally maintains</div><div>also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open build service <a href="https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME%3AAyatana" target="_blank">https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME%3AAyatana</a></div>
+
+<div>It actually builds install-able and usable packages for Fedora and openSUSE. This week we&#39;ll give an official announcement that unity works on openSUSE and will make a live CD available based on openSUSE with unity. We would also like to see Mageia running unity, but this would not be done by us ( I am mainly working on openSUSE, Xiao-Long is working on Fedora and openSUSE). But I offer my help, if you want to do it also with obs on GNOME:Ayatana. At the moment the structure of a package is as follows:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>=&gt; Package</div><div>===&gt; package.tar.gz</div><div>===&gt; %name-Fedora_17.spec</div><div>======&gt; Fedora-123.patch</div><div>======&gt; Fedora-456.patch</div><div><br></div><div>===&gt; %name.spec (could be also %name-openSUSE_%version.spec)</div>
+
+<div>======&gt; openSUSE-abc.patch</div><div>======&gt; openSUSE-def.patch</div><div><br></div><div>===&gt; PKGBUILD (for Arch Linux builds, at the moment you won&#39;t see lots of them, Xiao-Long is converting his arch packages from aur to go to OBS at the moment)</div>
+
+<div>======&gt; Arch-xyz.patch</div><div><br></div><div>There are users of Mageia who would love to see it in Mageia: <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130</a><br>
+
+</div><div>It would&#39;t need to be done that much to get it working on Mageia. The spec files for openSUSE and Fedora are quite similar and based on each other.</div><div>I experimented with the Mandriva backend to package myself unity for Mandriva and/or Mageia too, but the package naming are way different from the ones of SUSE and Fedora which are quite similar. It would need to be done for every package in GNOME:Ayatana to copy a spec file from suse or fedora as %name-Mageia_%Mageia_ver.spec and adjust the BuildRequires, Requires and the naming. Additionally it would be needed for packages that are only packaged with patches to add the Mageia sources and add the Mageia Patches to apply. </div>
+<div><br></div><div>At the moment it is worked on the Mageia OBS backend, when it is fixed, is there someone here interested in adjusting the spec files to Mageia?</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Damian Ivanov</div>
+
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>My name isDamian Ivanov. Xiao-Long Chen and me are the maintainers of unity desktop environment for openSUSE and Fedora, Xiao-Long additionally maintains</div><div>also unity on Arch Linux. We use for building the packages the open build service <a href="https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME%3AAyatana" target="_blank">https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=GNOME%3AAyatana</a></div>
+
+<div>It actually builds install-able and usable packages for Fedora and openSUSE. This week we&#39;ll give an official announcement that unity works on openSUSE and will make a live CD available based on openSUSE with unity. We would also like to see Mageia running unity, but this would not be done by us ( I am mainly working on openSUSE, Xiao-Long is working on Fedora and openSUSE). But I offer my help, if you want to do it also with obs on GNOME:Ayatana. At the moment the structure of a package is as follows:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>=&gt; Package</div><div>===&gt; package.tar.gz</div><div>===&gt; %name-Fedora_17.spec</div><div>======&gt; Fedora-123.patch</div><div>======&gt; Fedora-456.patch</div><div><br></div><div>===&gt; %name.spec (could be also %name-openSUSE_%version.spec)</div>
+
+<div>======&gt; openSUSE-abc.patch</div><div>======&gt; openSUSE-def.patch</div><div><br></div><div>===&gt; PKGBUILD (for Arch Linux builds, at the moment you won&#39;t see lots of them, Xiao-Long is converting his arch packages from aur to go to OBS at the moment)</div>
+
+<div>======&gt; Arch-xyz.patch</div><div><br></div><div>There are users of Mageia who would love to see it in Mageia: <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=130</a><br>
+
+</div><div>It would&#39;t need to be done that much to get it working on Mageia. The spec files for openSUSE and Fedora are quite similar and based on each other.</div><div>I experimented with the Mandriva backend to package myself unity for Mandriva and/or Mageia too, but the package naming are way different from the ones of SUSE and Fedora which are quite similar. It would need to be done for every package in GNOME:Ayatana to copy a spec file from suse or fedora as %name-Mageia_%Mageia_ver.spec and adjust the BuildRequires, Requires and the naming. Additionally it would be needed for packages that are only packaged with patches to add the Mageia sources and add the Mageia Patches to apply. </div>
+<div><br></div><div>At the moment it is worked on the Mageia OBS backend, when it is fixed, is there someone here interested in adjusting the spec files to Mageia?</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Damian Ivanov</div>
+
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+<p>Here it is not like omg, I want to have my new toy, everybody has it.It is wow lots of entreprise users reporting bugs. But ok, let&#39;s ignore that point, there are other points.<br>
+ ;)</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 14, 2012 6:54 PM, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Friday 14 September 2012 14:03, Damian Ivanov wrote:<br>
+&gt; - OBS is the most widely-used build system<br>
+<br>
+In my view, that&#39;s not a good argument. The fact that most people do one thing does not mean that we should do it.<br>
+<br>
+I remember I used to use the same argument when agruing with my mother when I wanted something.<br>
+&quot;Everyone else have/use it&quot;, to which she replied: &quot;I&#39;m not everyone else&#39;s mother&quot;  :-)=<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Here it is not like omg, I want to have my new toy, everybody has it.It is wow lots of entreprise users reporting bugs. But ok, let&#39;s ignore that point, there are other points.<br>
+ ;)</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 14, 2012 6:54 PM, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Friday 14 September 2012 14:03, Damian Ivanov wrote:<br>
+&gt; - OBS is the most widely-used build system<br>
+<br>
+In my view, that&#39;s not a good argument. The fact that most people do one thing does not mean that we should do it.<br>
+<br>
+I remember I used to use the same argument when agruing with my mother when I wanted something.<br>
+&quot;Everyone else have/use it&quot;, to which she replied: &quot;I&#39;m not everyone else&#39;s mother&quot;  :-)=<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120922/99eb71bb/attachment-0001.c b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120922/99eb71bb/attachment-0001.c
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..3f619aa20
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120922/99eb71bb/attachment-0001.c
@@ -0,0 +1,72 @@
+       #include <pthread.h>
+       #include <stdio.h>
+       #include <errno.h>
+       #include <stdlib.h>
+       #include <unistd.h>
+
+       #define handle_error_en(en, msg) \
+               do { errno = en; perror(msg); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } while (0)
+
+       static void *
+       thread_func(void *ignored_argument)
+       {
+           int s;
+
+           /* Disable cancellation for a while, so that we don't
+              immediately react to a cancellation request */
+
+           s = pthread_setcancelstate(PTHREAD_CANCEL_DISABLE, NULL);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_setcancelstate");
+
+           printf("thread_func(): started; cancellation disabled\n");
+           sleep(5);
+           printf("thread_func(): about to enable cancellation\n");
+
+           s = pthread_setcancelstate(PTHREAD_CANCEL_ENABLE, NULL);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_setcancelstate");
+
+           /* sleep() is a cancellation point */
+
+           sleep(1000);        /* Should get canceled while we sleep */
+
+           /* Should never get here */
+
+           printf("thread_func(): not canceled!\n");
+           return NULL;
+       }
+
+       int
+       main(void)
+       {
+           pthread_t thr;
+           void *res;
+           int s;
+
+           /* Start a thread and then send it a cancellation request */
+
+           s = pthread_create(&thr, NULL, &thread_func, NULL);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_create");
+
+           sleep(2);           /* Give thread a chance to get started */
+
+           printf("main(): sending cancellation request\n");
+           s = pthread_cancel(thr);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_cancel");
+
+           /* Join with thread to see what its exit status was */
+
+           s = pthread_join(thr, &res);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_join");
+
+           if (res == PTHREAD_CANCELED)
+               printf("main(): thread was canceled\n");
+           else
+               printf("main(): thread wasn't canceled (shouldn't happen!)\n");
+           exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);
+       }
+
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120922/99eb71bb/attachment.c b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120922/99eb71bb/attachment.c
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..3f619aa20
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20120922/99eb71bb/attachment.c
@@ -0,0 +1,72 @@
+       #include <pthread.h>
+       #include <stdio.h>
+       #include <errno.h>
+       #include <stdlib.h>
+       #include <unistd.h>
+
+       #define handle_error_en(en, msg) \
+               do { errno = en; perror(msg); exit(EXIT_FAILURE); } while (0)
+
+       static void *
+       thread_func(void *ignored_argument)
+       {
+           int s;
+
+           /* Disable cancellation for a while, so that we don't
+              immediately react to a cancellation request */
+
+           s = pthread_setcancelstate(PTHREAD_CANCEL_DISABLE, NULL);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_setcancelstate");
+
+           printf("thread_func(): started; cancellation disabled\n");
+           sleep(5);
+           printf("thread_func(): about to enable cancellation\n");
+
+           s = pthread_setcancelstate(PTHREAD_CANCEL_ENABLE, NULL);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_setcancelstate");
+
+           /* sleep() is a cancellation point */
+
+           sleep(1000);        /* Should get canceled while we sleep */
+
+           /* Should never get here */
+
+           printf("thread_func(): not canceled!\n");
+           return NULL;
+       }
+
+       int
+       main(void)
+       {
+           pthread_t thr;
+           void *res;
+           int s;
+
+           /* Start a thread and then send it a cancellation request */
+
+           s = pthread_create(&thr, NULL, &thread_func, NULL);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_create");
+
+           sleep(2);           /* Give thread a chance to get started */
+
+           printf("main(): sending cancellation request\n");
+           s = pthread_cancel(thr);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_cancel");
+
+           /* Join with thread to see what its exit status was */
+
+           s = pthread_join(thr, &res);
+           if (s != 0)
+               handle_error_en(s, "pthread_join");
+
+           if (res == PTHREAD_CANCELED)
+               printf("main(): thread was canceled\n");
+           else
+               printf("main(): thread wasn't canceled (shouldn't happen!)\n");
+           exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);
+       }
+
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index 000000000..43094f4b0
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@@ -0,0 +1,114 @@
+[From nobody Tue Sep 25 22:32:09 2012
+Return-Path: &lt;distributor-list-bounces@gnome.org&gt;
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+Message-ID: &lt;CAFwd_vDbax1qHwCn+n1ETW+6jDKnSFG=j9Y2s7WQ1SggwYJ8tQ@mail.gmail.com&gt;
+Subject: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+From: Matthias Clasen &lt;matthias.clasen@gmail.com&gt;
+To: distributor-list@gnome.org
+X-BeenThere: distributor-list@gnome.org
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+
+We've tried very hard to fix both serious bugs and cosmetic issues
+since the 3.5.92 release.
+As always, a few issues could not be fully resolved in time, or
+require a fix in another part of the stack. Here is a short list of
+noteworthy issues, that you should be aware of:
+
+
+682395 (nautilus) Nautilus tabs have black background
+
+This is has cost quite a bit of debugging time in the last week, until
+it was finally determined that this is triggered by using the xim
+immodule in GTK+, and seems to be specific to the way nautilus
+implements its search entry. We will try to have this fixed in 3.6.1.
+
+
+680689 (gnome-settings-daemon) power: enforcing lid close
+
+If you are using systemd &gt;= 183, gnome-settings-daemon is now talking
+to logind for suspend and lid-close handling. Due to the way the
+logind API uses polkit, this can sometimes lead to a polkit
+authentication dialog in response to a suspend request - which is
+problematic when you just closed the lid. The policy which controls
+when this occurs was made a little more forgiving in systemd 188, but
+it can still happen.
+
+With system 191, a new API was introduced that lets us avoid this
+problem altogether, and bug 680689 has a patch to make use of this,
+but it is too invasive to land for 3.6.0 at this point. If you are
+shipping with systemd &gt;= 191, you should consider using this patch.
+
+
+684516 gdm-3.5.9x loses session selection UI after logout from gnome
+
+This is a problem that occurs on systemd systems as well. Sometimes
+session processes linger after the user logged out. logind reflects
+this fact by putting such sessions into a 'closing' state. The login
+screen gets its information about users with existing sessions from
+the accountsservice, and does not offer session selection if it thinks
+the user has an existing session to switch to. Until recently,
+accountsservice did not ignore 'closing' sessions when reporting user
+sessions. This problem is fixed in accountsservice 0.6.25.
+_______________________________________________
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+distributor-list@gnome.org
+https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/distributor-list
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+[From nobody Tue Sep 25 22:32:09 2012
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+Subject: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+From: Matthias Clasen &lt;matthias.clasen@gmail.com&gt;
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+We've tried very hard to fix both serious bugs and cosmetic issues
+since the 3.5.92 release.
+As always, a few issues could not be fully resolved in time, or
+require a fix in another part of the stack. Here is a short list of
+noteworthy issues, that you should be aware of:
+
+
+682395 (nautilus) Nautilus tabs have black background
+
+This is has cost quite a bit of debugging time in the last week, until
+it was finally determined that this is triggered by using the xim
+immodule in GTK+, and seems to be specific to the way nautilus
+implements its search entry. We will try to have this fixed in 3.6.1.
+
+
+680689 (gnome-settings-daemon) power: enforcing lid close
+
+If you are using systemd &gt;= 183, gnome-settings-daemon is now talking
+to logind for suspend and lid-close handling. Due to the way the
+logind API uses polkit, this can sometimes lead to a polkit
+authentication dialog in response to a suspend request - which is
+problematic when you just closed the lid. The policy which controls
+when this occurs was made a little more forgiving in systemd 188, but
+it can still happen.
+
+With system 191, a new API was introduced that lets us avoid this
+problem altogether, and bug 680689 has a patch to make use of this,
+but it is too invasive to land for 3.6.0 at this point. If you are
+shipping with systemd &gt;= 191, you should consider using this patch.
+
+
+684516 gdm-3.5.9x loses session selection UI after logout from gnome
+
+This is a problem that occurs on systemd systems as well. Sometimes
+session processes linger after the user logged out. logind reflects
+this fact by putting such sessions into a 'closing' state. The login
+screen gets its information about users with existing sessions from
+the accountsservice, and does not offer session selection if it thinks
+the user has an existing session to switch to. Until recently,
+accountsservice did not ignore 'closing' sessions when reporting user
+sessions. This problem is fixed in accountsservice 0.6.25.
+_______________________________________________
+distributor-list mailing list
+distributor-list@gnome.org
+https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/distributor-list
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+<p>That was to prepare..</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 25 sept. 2012 12:35, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, <a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a> wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Revision: 6052<br>
+&gt; Author:   kharec<br>
+&gt; Date:     2012-09-25 11:55:10 +0200 (Tue, 25 Sep 2012)<br>
+&gt; Log Message:<br>
+&gt; -----------<br>
+&gt; update Authors<br>
+<br>
+You could wait until you have actually fixed a bug or improved something<br>
+before adding your name to the AUTHORS file ...<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>That was to prepare..</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 25 sept. 2012 12:35, &quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, <a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a> wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Revision: 6052<br>
+&gt; Author:   kharec<br>
+&gt; Date:     2012-09-25 11:55:10 +0200 (Tue, 25 Sep 2012)<br>
+&gt; Log Message:<br>
+&gt; -----------<br>
+&gt; update Authors<br>
+<br>
+You could wait until you have actually fixed a bug or improved something<br>
+before adding your name to the AUTHORS file ...<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Ok, I&#39;ll let you know when my pkg will be free of maintainer.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 29 sept. 2012 09:03, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thursday 27 September 2012 17:37, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:<br>
+&gt; I would like to let all my pkg to others<br>
+<br>
+I can take newspost, netdiscover and ninvaders. I can probably take more non-perl packages if needed.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Ok, I&#39;ll let you know when my pkg will be free of maintainer.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 29 sept. 2012 09:03, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thursday 27 September 2012 17:37, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:<br>
+&gt; I would like to let all my pkg to others<br>
+<br>
+I can take newspost, netdiscover and ninvaders. I can probably take more non-perl packages if needed.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+generic graphical control center ? : ggcc<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it" target="_blank">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> the real<br>
+question is how to call it :)<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve thought for a while to generic control center, but I<br>
+think developers and packagers are not very happy to manage<br>
+the name conflicting with gcc :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>generic graphical control center ? : ggcc<br><br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+generic graphical control center ? : ggcc<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Angelo Naselli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anaselli@linux.it" target="_blank">anaselli@linux.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> the real<br>
+question is how to call it :)<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve thought for a while to generic control center, but I<br>
+think developers and packagers are not very happy to manage<br>
+the name conflicting with gcc :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>generic graphical control center ? : ggcc<br><br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Steven Tucker <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tuxta2@gmail.com" target="_blank">tuxta2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 01/10/12 17:40, Angelo Naselli wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Okay, so I am in favour of a new name, calling it mcc2 has already caused confusion, so a new name more accurately portrays the program. Also if Mageia were not to take it up, a more generic name would allow others to more easily take it on.<br>
+
+<br>
+So the following are some suggestions, including keeping the current name. Can we do some sort of poll ??<br>
+<br>
+    Name                                   --    launcher<br>
+<br>
+1. Admin Panel                         --  apanel<br>
+2. Configuration Panel              --  copanel<br>
+3. Mageia Configuration Panel   --  mcp<br>
+4. Mageia Administration Panel  --  map<br>
+5. Free Panel   --  fpanel<br>
+6. Mageia Control Center  --  mcc  -- until it replaces the existing one -&gt;&gt; mcc2 or mcc-new or mcc-libyui<br>
+<br>
+I have put them in the order I prefer.<br></blockquote><div><br>I would be in favor of<br>  <br>1. Admin Panel                         --  apanel<br><br>It better describes what it is : a panel to do the things that need admin permission.<br>
+And so &#39;explains&#39;, without having to go into the details, to non technical users why there are two graphical tools for configuration (the other being the kde configuration tool in my case) and which one does what.<br>
+<br>It can be combined with what<span class="gI"></span><span class="gI"> <span name="Angelo Naselli" class="gD">Angelo Naselli</span> </span>said : <br><br>&quot;Good point, but as a developer i could say we can make it<br>
+
+configurable. I mean a generic panel can have the name into its<br>
+configuration file and shown on title, while to run it a script<br>
+called mcc can run &quot;generic_panel -c mcc.conf&quot; for instance,<br>
+we can also fix that as default forcing mageia behaviour :)&quot;<br><br>if and when it is adopted as the default Mageia tool.<br>(but for the reasons I gave above, I think &quot;Admin Panel&quot; is better) <br><br></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+If you have any more suggestions we can add them.<br>
+<br>
+Tuxta<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Steven Tucker <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tuxta2@gmail.com" target="_blank">tuxta2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 01/10/12 17:40, Angelo Naselli wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Okay, so I am in favour of a new name, calling it mcc2 has already caused confusion, so a new name more accurately portrays the program. Also if Mageia were not to take it up, a more generic name would allow others to more easily take it on.<br>
+
+<br>
+So the following are some suggestions, including keeping the current name. Can we do some sort of poll ??<br>
+<br>
+    Name                                   --    launcher<br>
+<br>
+1. Admin Panel                         --  apanel<br>
+2. Configuration Panel              --  copanel<br>
+3. Mageia Configuration Panel   --  mcp<br>
+4. Mageia Administration Panel  --  map<br>
+5. Free Panel   --  fpanel<br>
+6. Mageia Control Center  --  mcc  -- until it replaces the existing one -&gt;&gt; mcc2 or mcc-new or mcc-libyui<br>
+<br>
+I have put them in the order I prefer.<br></blockquote><div><br>I would be in favor of<br>  <br>1. Admin Panel                         --  apanel<br><br>It better describes what it is : a panel to do the things that need admin permission.<br>
+And so &#39;explains&#39;, without having to go into the details, to non technical users why there are two graphical tools for configuration (the other being the kde configuration tool in my case) and which one does what.<br>
+<br>It can be combined with what<span class="gI"></span><span class="gI"> <span name="Angelo Naselli" class="gD">Angelo Naselli</span> </span>said : <br><br>&quot;Good point, but as a developer i could say we can make it<br>
+
+configurable. I mean a generic panel can have the name into its<br>
+configuration file and shown on title, while to run it a script<br>
+called mcc can run &quot;generic_panel -c mcc.conf&quot; for instance,<br>
+we can also fix that as default forcing mageia behaviour :)&quot;<br><br>if and when it is adopted as the default Mageia tool.<br>(but for the reasons I gave above, I think &quot;Admin Panel&quot; is better) <br><br></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+If you have any more suggestions we can add them.<br>
+<br>
+Tuxta<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<p>Le 5 oct. 2012 20:25, &quot;dlucio&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1.3.0-2.mga3:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 302992<br>
+&gt; - fix conflicts</p>
+<p>Well the library package is still empty breaking installed package but also preventing installation of marble package ( c.f. #7685). Also Oliver asked to remove this package from cauldron in order to push the working one..</p>
+
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+<p>Le 5 oct. 2012 20:25, &quot;dlucio&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]</p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1.3.0-2.mga3:<br>
+&gt; + Revision: 302992<br>
+&gt; - fix conflicts</p>
+<p>Well the library package is still empty breaking installed package but also preventing installation of marble package ( c.f. #7685). Also Oliver asked to remove this package from cauldron in order to push the working one..</p>
+
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+Hello!<br><br>I just installed Mageia 2 on my laptop (I&#39;ve been using Mageia 1 up to now), and since I&#39;m doing some java developing I&#39;ve installed Java, Eclipse, Subversion and Ant. Since I use Sun Java at work I want to use Sun Java at home as well instead of OpenJDK, so I installed it in /opt and created a symbolic link to /usr/lib.<br>
+<br>But when I try to install ant it has a dependency on openjdk 1.5, 1.6 or 1.7. Would it be possible to setup the dependencies so it checks PATH for existing java-versions instead? I can override the paths so it uses Sun Java, but it would be simpler if it was possible to install Sun Java before installing ant and then not install OpenJDK?<br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>David Sjölin<br><br>
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+Hello!<br><br>I just installed Mageia 2 on my laptop (I&#39;ve been using Mageia 1 up to now), and since I&#39;m doing some java developing I&#39;ve installed Java, Eclipse, Subversion and Ant. Since I use Sun Java at work I want to use Sun Java at home as well instead of OpenJDK, so I installed it in /opt and created a symbolic link to /usr/lib.<br>
+<br>But when I try to install ant it has a dependency on openjdk 1.5, 1.6 or 1.7. Would it be possible to setup the dependencies so it checks PATH for existing java-versions instead? I can override the paths so it uses Sun Java, but it would be simpler if it was possible to install Sun Java before installing ant and then not install OpenJDK?<br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>David Sjölin<br><br>
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+Subject: AppStream-Core 0.1 released!
+From: Matthias Klumpp &lt;matthias@tenstral.net&gt;
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+Hi!
+Since this is the very first release of this software, there is no
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+AppStream-Core provides utilities to create the AppStream database and
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+creation of Software-Centers.
+The 0.1 release is the very first release of this project and will
+still contain many bugs as well as an unstable API, so please keep
+that in mind when using it! The 0.1 release is meant as a &quot;play
+around&quot; release. You might also want to integrate it with your
+distribution to see if your AppStream XML can be transformed into the
+required Xapian database.
+Also, AppStream-Core is required if you want to use a Software Center
+(e.g. the USC) in your distribution, and GNOME-Software will probably
+also depend on it.
+
+If you want to learn more about AppStream, check the Wiki:
+http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream
+Cheers,
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+
+P.S: Release tarball can be found here:
+http://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/
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+Subject: AppStream-Core 0.1 released!
+From: Matthias Klumpp &lt;matthias@tenstral.net&gt;
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+Hi!
+Since this is the very first release of this software, there is no
+nice changelog to show (yet).
+AppStream-Core provides utilities to create the AppStream database and
+access it via a nice GObject-based interface, which allows simple
+creation of Software-Centers.
+The 0.1 release is the very first release of this project and will
+still contain many bugs as well as an unstable API, so please keep
+that in mind when using it! The 0.1 release is meant as a &quot;play
+around&quot; release. You might also want to integrate it with your
+distribution to see if your AppStream XML can be transformed into the
+required Xapian database.
+Also, AppStream-Core is required if you want to use a Software Center
+(e.g. the USC) in your distribution, and GNOME-Software will probably
+also depend on it.
+
+If you want to learn more about AppStream, check the Wiki:
+http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream
+Cheers,
+   Matthias
+
+P.S: Release tarball can be found here:
+http://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/
+_______________________________________________
+Distributions mailing list
+Distributions@lists.freedesktop.org
+http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/distributions
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 07/10/2012 12:04, David Sjölin a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+But when I try to install ant it has a dependency on openjdk 1.5, 1.6 or<br>
+1.7. Would it be possible to setup the dependencies so it checks PATH<br>
+for existing java-versions instead? I can override the paths so it uses<br>
+Sun Java, but it would be simpler if it was possible to install Sun Java<br>
+before installing ant and then not install OpenJDK?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+While technically possible, using file dependencies seems a bad idea here, because they have their own limitations. And more generally, the whole idea of altering our packages to allow better interaction with non-packaged or foreign-controlled stuff defeat the whole purpose of a self-contained distribution.<br>
+
+<br>
+Just remove openjdk using rpm --nodeps option. Or better, build your own empty package, providing the missing dependencies (java, jre) as virtual packages. I wonder if we could add some kind of --ignore-dependency option to urpmi to achieve the same result.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+</font></span><br></blockquote><div><br>Thanks, I&#39;ll try that (rpm --nodeps). Yes, being able to skip the java-dependency in the installer (I used Install/Remove Software), would probably be good, with OpenJDK selected by default still. Now I got the option to choose java-version, so I guess a solution would be to be able to choose &quot;1.5, 1.6, 1.7 or none&quot;.<br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 07/10/2012 12:04, David Sjölin a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+But when I try to install ant it has a dependency on openjdk 1.5, 1.6 or<br>
+1.7. Would it be possible to setup the dependencies so it checks PATH<br>
+for existing java-versions instead? I can override the paths so it uses<br>
+Sun Java, but it would be simpler if it was possible to install Sun Java<br>
+before installing ant and then not install OpenJDK?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+While technically possible, using file dependencies seems a bad idea here, because they have their own limitations. And more generally, the whole idea of altering our packages to allow better interaction with non-packaged or foreign-controlled stuff defeat the whole purpose of a self-contained distribution.<br>
+
+<br>
+Just remove openjdk using rpm --nodeps option. Or better, build your own empty package, providing the missing dependencies (java, jre) as virtual packages. I wonder if we could add some kind of --ignore-dependency option to urpmi to achieve the same result.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+</font></span><br></blockquote><div><br>Thanks, I&#39;ll try that (rpm --nodeps). Yes, being able to skip the java-dependency in the installer (I used Install/Remove Software), would probably be good, with OpenJDK selected by default still. Now I got the option to choose java-version, so I guess a solution would be to be able to choose &quot;1.5, 1.6, 1.7 or none&quot;.<br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>David<br><br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/8 Manuel Hiebel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu" target="_blank">manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 08/10/2012 15:27, Nicolas Lécureuil a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already working on<br>
+it ?<br>
+<br>
+regards,<br>
+<br>
+Nicolas.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+PoK started something in Mandriva with the classical installer, maybe Rosa too.<br>
+</blockquote></div>Indeed!<div><br></div><div>While I had hopes of us getting our first beta ready soon, I&#39;ve decided to postpone it, very much due to running late with grub2 stuff, which it some of the features that I have on my *MUSTDO* list and I find crucial to have ready for deployment in time for a beta candidate.</div>
+<div>So far I&#39;ve only switched the installer to use grub2 (and unfortunately my work on the installer won&#39;t be that easy for you to merge and benefit from as I&#39;ve done some heavy work on cleaning up, sanitizing and rewriting the tools to create the installer in python, for which the python code is rather modest, but this is very much due to heavy work and improvements on the distribution core in advance and also tied into various new rpm functionality that I&#39;ve implemented myself and that there&#39;s been next to zero interest in from anyone at Mageia. So unfortunately I don&#39;t see it as very realistic to see any of it making it into Mageia, despite the obvious mutual benefits, poltics keeps getting in the way..</div>
+<div><br></div><div>For ROSA they migrated to grub 2 a somewhat while ago, their work can most likely be picked up and more easily be reused by yourself as the required changes in drakx has been done already in a drakx branch with relatively few changes commited to it, likely making it fairly trivial to merge.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Personally I&#39;m not sure if I&#39;ll go with the same approach as ROSA and upstream grub encourages by default, but would rather have a grub configurantion entry shipped with each kernel package, ie. like a . /boot/grub2/cfg.d directory where one could put like /boot/grub2/cfg.d/3.4.1-1.4-desktop.grub which houlds the config with kernel and initrd images, which gets automatically read by grub without having to regenerate whole grub2 configuration each time a new package gets installed.</div>
+<div>This would also free one from any special tools and script to handle this for each and every kernel as is the situation today..</div><div>This would also be quite distribution neutral as well. :)</div><div><br></div>
+<div>I&#39;m not sure of what use this might actually be or even if any at any sense for others to try grasp, but I hope to have grub 2 migration more or less working in a week or so, I&#39;ve decided to push a second alpha as soon as I&#39;m done with my work on the installer for this round, then hopefully a beta 2 should be about ready in a couple more weeks or so..</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Don&#39;t hesitate asking any questions if you have any interest in my work on these things. :)</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Per Øyvind</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/8 Manuel Hiebel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu" target="_blank">manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 08/10/2012 15:27, Nicolas Lécureuil a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already working on<br>
+it ?<br>
+<br>
+regards,<br>
+<br>
+Nicolas.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+PoK started something in Mandriva with the classical installer, maybe Rosa too.<br>
+</blockquote></div>Indeed!<div><br></div><div>While I had hopes of us getting our first beta ready soon, I&#39;ve decided to postpone it, very much due to running late with grub2 stuff, which it some of the features that I have on my *MUSTDO* list and I find crucial to have ready for deployment in time for a beta candidate.</div>
+<div>So far I&#39;ve only switched the installer to use grub2 (and unfortunately my work on the installer won&#39;t be that easy for you to merge and benefit from as I&#39;ve done some heavy work on cleaning up, sanitizing and rewriting the tools to create the installer in python, for which the python code is rather modest, but this is very much due to heavy work and improvements on the distribution core in advance and also tied into various new rpm functionality that I&#39;ve implemented myself and that there&#39;s been next to zero interest in from anyone at Mageia. So unfortunately I don&#39;t see it as very realistic to see any of it making it into Mageia, despite the obvious mutual benefits, poltics keeps getting in the way..</div>
+<div><br></div><div>For ROSA they migrated to grub 2 a somewhat while ago, their work can most likely be picked up and more easily be reused by yourself as the required changes in drakx has been done already in a drakx branch with relatively few changes commited to it, likely making it fairly trivial to merge.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Personally I&#39;m not sure if I&#39;ll go with the same approach as ROSA and upstream grub encourages by default, but would rather have a grub configurantion entry shipped with each kernel package, ie. like a . /boot/grub2/cfg.d directory where one could put like /boot/grub2/cfg.d/3.4.1-1.4-desktop.grub which houlds the config with kernel and initrd images, which gets automatically read by grub without having to regenerate whole grub2 configuration each time a new package gets installed.</div>
+<div>This would also free one from any special tools and script to handle this for each and every kernel as is the situation today..</div><div>This would also be quite distribution neutral as well. :)</div><div><br></div>
+<div>I&#39;m not sure of what use this might actually be or even if any at any sense for others to try grasp, but I hope to have grub 2 migration more or less working in a week or so, I&#39;ve decided to push a second alpha as soon as I&#39;m done with my work on the installer for this round, then hopefully a beta 2 should be about ready in a couple more weeks or so..</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Don&#39;t hesitate asking any questions if you have any interest in my work on these things. :)</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Per Øyvind</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/9/30 Steven Tucker <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tuxta2@gmail.com" target="_blank">tuxta2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+If it was my language of choice I would be writing it in C++. It was 100% due to discussions on the list and in IRC that led to writing it in Perl. As noted, I have previously never written any Perl, and so it would not have been my first or even second choice, I did it purely because of the feedback I received from the Mageia community.<br>
+</blockquote><div>Perl is a dead-end, and most of the code is horrible even by perl standards, we&#39;ve been started on rewriting a lots of the code for drakx in mandriva, some of the progress has been rather slow, but things are</div>
+<div>moving at least, where I&#39;ve already rewritten much of the perl specific parts of it has been rewritten in C &amp; shell so far, with some of the tools to generate the installer isos being rewritten in python so far.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>What I&#39;m intending to target is more of some new libraries for the purpose (ie. the backend), preferrably written in C++, whileas higher level functionality such as gui matters would have ie. some python bindings provided as well.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s not really *that* much code that needs to be rewritten, the worst part is to try dechiffer and wasting more time spent on trying to understand the code than just writing the code once you know how to do it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The drakx tools&#39;s perl code should really be considered as legacy, I can&#39;t think of anyone who has deeper insight on it who&#39;d ever find anything but som sentimental value from it..</div><div>
+<br></div><div>If you&#39;d have any interest  in any of this, don&#39;t hesitate to get in touch. :)</div><div><br></div><div>PS: considering your drakx branch is a fork of the original upstream drakx project and that these two have heavily diverged since, established etiquete would dictate that the forket project should change..</div>
+<div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Per Øyvind</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2012/9/30 Steven Tucker <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tuxta2@gmail.com" target="_blank">tuxta2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+If it was my language of choice I would be writing it in C++. It was 100% due to discussions on the list and in IRC that led to writing it in Perl. As noted, I have previously never written any Perl, and so it would not have been my first or even second choice, I did it purely because of the feedback I received from the Mageia community.<br>
+</blockquote><div>Perl is a dead-end, and most of the code is horrible even by perl standards, we&#39;ve been started on rewriting a lots of the code for drakx in mandriva, some of the progress has been rather slow, but things are</div>
+<div>moving at least, where I&#39;ve already rewritten much of the perl specific parts of it has been rewritten in C &amp; shell so far, with some of the tools to generate the installer isos being rewritten in python so far.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>What I&#39;m intending to target is more of some new libraries for the purpose (ie. the backend), preferrably written in C++, whileas higher level functionality such as gui matters would have ie. some python bindings provided as well.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s not really *that* much code that needs to be rewritten, the worst part is to try dechiffer and wasting more time spent on trying to understand the code than just writing the code once you know how to do it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The drakx tools&#39;s perl code should really be considered as legacy, I can&#39;t think of anyone who has deeper insight on it who&#39;d ever find anything but som sentimental value from it..</div><div>
+<br></div><div>If you&#39;d have any interest  in any of this, don&#39;t hesitate to get in touch. :)</div><div><br></div><div>PS: considering your drakx branch is a fork of the original upstream drakx project and that these two have heavily diverged since, established etiquete would dictate that the forket project should change..</div>
+<div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Per Øyvind</div></div>
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+Hi all,
+<br><br>I have just paid for my ticket and accommodation to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://linux.conf.au/">http://linux.conf.au</a> 
+apparently the only conference Linus always attends because of the 
+Kernel dev meeting.
+<br>
+<br>Any Mageia people going? If so let me know, we can catch up. Perhaps 
+even spread the Mageia word.
+<br>
+<br>Cheers Tuxta
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+Hi all,
+<br><br>I have just paid for my ticket and accommodation to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://linux.conf.au/">http://linux.conf.au</a> 
+apparently the only conference Linus always attends because of the 
+Kernel dev meeting.
+<br>
+<br>Any Mageia people going? If so let me know, we can catch up. Perhaps 
+even spread the Mageia word.
+<br>
+<br>Cheers Tuxta
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+Index: perl-install/standalone/diskdrake
+===================================================================
+--- perl-install/standalone/diskdrake	(revision 6209)
++++ perl-install/standalone/diskdrake	(working copy)
+@@ -71,15 +71,8 @@
+     $in->exit(0);
+ }
+ 
+-my $all_hds = fsedit::get_hds({}, $in);
++my $all_hds = reload();
+ 
+-fs::get_raw_hds('', $all_hds);
+-
+-fs::get_info_from_fstab($all_hds);
+-fs::merge_info_from_mtab([ fs::get::really_all_fstab($all_hds) ]);
+-
+-$all_hds->{current_fstab} = fs::fstab_to_string($all_hds, '');
+-
+ if ($type eq 'list-hd') {
+     print partition_table::description($_), "\n" foreach fs::get::fstab($all_hds);    
+ } elsif ($type eq 'change-geometry') {
+@@ -90,7 +83,7 @@
+     partition_table::write($hd);
+ } elsif ($type eq 'hd') {
+     require diskdrake::interactive;
+-    diskdrake::interactive::main($in, $all_hds, '');
++    diskdrake::interactive::main($in, $all_hds, \&reload);
+ } elsif ($type eq 'removable') {
+     require diskdrake::removable;
+     my ($raw_hd) = $para ?
+@@ -119,3 +112,15 @@
+ }
+ 
+ $in->exit(0);
++
++sub reload {
++    my $all_hds = fsedit::get_hds({}, $in);
++
++    fs::get_raw_hds('', $all_hds);
++
++    fs::get_info_from_fstab($all_hds);
++    fs::merge_info_from_mtab([ fs::get::really_all_fstab($all_hds) ]);
++
++    $all_hds->{current_fstab} = fs::fstab_to_string($all_hds, '');
++    return $all_hds;
++}
+Index: perl-install/diskdrake/hd_gtk.pm
+===================================================================
+--- perl-install/diskdrake/hd_gtk.pm	(revision 6209)
++++ perl-install/diskdrake/hd_gtk.pm	(working copy)
+@@ -190,7 +190,7 @@
+ 
+     my @actions = (
+ 		   diskdrake::interactive::general_possible_actions($in, $all_hds), 
+-		   N_("Done"));
++		   N_("Refresh"), N_("Done"));
+     my $box_end = gtknew('HButtonBox', layout => 'end', spacing => 5);
+     foreach my $s (@actions) {
+ 	my $button = Gtk2::Button->new(translate($s));
+Index: perl-install/diskdrake/interactive.pm
+===================================================================
+--- perl-install/diskdrake/interactive.pm	(revision 6209)
++++ perl-install/diskdrake/interactive.pm	(working copy)
+@@ -273,6 +273,11 @@
+     if_($::isInstall, N_("More"));
+ }
+ 
++sub Refresh {
++    my ($in, $all_hds) = @_;
++    return "force_reload";
++}
++
+ sub Done {
+     my ($in, $all_hds) = @_;
+     eval { raid::verify($all_hds->{raids}) };
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+Index: perl-install/standalone/diskdrake
+===================================================================
+--- perl-install/standalone/diskdrake	(revision 6209)
++++ perl-install/standalone/diskdrake	(working copy)
+@@ -71,15 +71,8 @@
+     $in->exit(0);
+ }
+ 
+-my $all_hds = fsedit::get_hds({}, $in);
++my $all_hds = reload();
+ 
+-fs::get_raw_hds('', $all_hds);
+-
+-fs::get_info_from_fstab($all_hds);
+-fs::merge_info_from_mtab([ fs::get::really_all_fstab($all_hds) ]);
+-
+-$all_hds->{current_fstab} = fs::fstab_to_string($all_hds, '');
+-
+ if ($type eq 'list-hd') {
+     print partition_table::description($_), "\n" foreach fs::get::fstab($all_hds);    
+ } elsif ($type eq 'change-geometry') {
+@@ -90,7 +83,7 @@
+     partition_table::write($hd);
+ } elsif ($type eq 'hd') {
+     require diskdrake::interactive;
+-    diskdrake::interactive::main($in, $all_hds, '');
++    diskdrake::interactive::main($in, $all_hds, \&reload);
+ } elsif ($type eq 'removable') {
+     require diskdrake::removable;
+     my ($raw_hd) = $para ?
+@@ -119,3 +112,15 @@
+ }
+ 
+ $in->exit(0);
++
++sub reload {
++    my $all_hds = fsedit::get_hds({}, $in);
++
++    fs::get_raw_hds('', $all_hds);
++
++    fs::get_info_from_fstab($all_hds);
++    fs::merge_info_from_mtab([ fs::get::really_all_fstab($all_hds) ]);
++
++    $all_hds->{current_fstab} = fs::fstab_to_string($all_hds, '');
++    return $all_hds;
++}
+Index: perl-install/diskdrake/hd_gtk.pm
+===================================================================
+--- perl-install/diskdrake/hd_gtk.pm	(revision 6209)
++++ perl-install/diskdrake/hd_gtk.pm	(working copy)
+@@ -190,7 +190,7 @@
+ 
+     my @actions = (
+ 		   diskdrake::interactive::general_possible_actions($in, $all_hds), 
+-		   N_("Done"));
++		   N_("Refresh"), N_("Done"));
+     my $box_end = gtknew('HButtonBox', layout => 'end', spacing => 5);
+     foreach my $s (@actions) {
+ 	my $button = Gtk2::Button->new(translate($s));
+Index: perl-install/diskdrake/interactive.pm
+===================================================================
+--- perl-install/diskdrake/interactive.pm	(revision 6209)
++++ perl-install/diskdrake/interactive.pm	(working copy)
+@@ -273,6 +273,11 @@
+     if_($::isInstall, N_("More"));
+ }
+ 
++sub Refresh {
++    my ($in, $all_hds) = @_;
++    return "force_reload";
++}
++
+ sub Done {
+     my ($in, $all_hds) = @_;
+     eval { raid::verify($all_hds->{raids}) };
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121015/12cb3ba8/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121015/12cb3ba8/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/15 mikala <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Name        : kwallet                      Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 4.9.2                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Oct 15 14:31:55 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://ecosse.mageia.org" target="_blank">ecosse.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : Networking/Remote access      Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 284003                           License: GPLv2 and LGPLv2<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://www.kde.org/applications/system/kwalletmanager/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/applications/system/kwalletmanager/</a><br>
+Summary     : KDE Wallet Management Tool<br>
+Description :<br>
+KDE Wallet Manager is for management of the wallets installed on the<br>
+system. The KDE wallet subsystem provides a convenient and secure way<br>
+to manage all your passwords.<br>
+<br>
+mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:<br>
++ Revision: 301985<br>
+- Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2<br>
+- Fix group</blockquote></div><br><div>Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/15 mikala <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Name        : kwallet                      Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 4.9.2                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Oct 15 14:31:55 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://ecosse.mageia.org" target="_blank">ecosse.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : Networking/Remote access      Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 284003                           License: GPLv2 and LGPLv2<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://www.kde.org/applications/system/kwalletmanager/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/applications/system/kwalletmanager/</a><br>
+Summary     : KDE Wallet Management Tool<br>
+Description :<br>
+KDE Wallet Manager is for management of the wallets installed on the<br>
+system. The KDE wallet subsystem provides a convenient and secure way<br>
+to manage all your passwords.<br>
+<br>
+mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:<br>
++ Revision: 301985<br>
+- Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2<br>
+- Fix group</blockquote></div><br><div>Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/15 mikala <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Name        : kremotecontrol               Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 4.9.2                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Oct 15 13:46:37 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : Accessibility                 Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 1084589                          License: GPLv2 and LGPLv2 and GPLD<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/</a><br>
+Summary     : KDE Frontend for the LIRC Suite<br>
+Description :<br>
+KRemoteControl is a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control system<br>
+(LIRC).<br>
+It consist of two parts: a systemtray applet and a configuration module.<br>
+<br>
+mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:<br>
++ Revision: 301978<br>
+- Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2<br>
+- Fix group</blockquote></div><br><div>kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/15 mikala <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Name        : kremotecontrol               Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 4.9.2                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Oct 15 13:46:37 2012<br>
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+Group       : Accessibility                 Source RPM: (none)<br>
+Size        : 1084589                          License: GPLv2 and LGPLv2 and GPLD<br>
+Signature   : (none)<br>
+Packager    : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;<br>
+URL         : <a href="http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/</a><br>
+Summary     : KDE Frontend for the LIRC Suite<br>
+Description :<br>
+KRemoteControl is a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control system<br>
+(LIRC).<br>
+It consist of two parts: a systemtray applet and a configuration module.<br>
+<br>
+mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:<br>
++ Revision: 301978<br>
+- Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2<br>
+- Fix group</blockquote></div><br><div>kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...</div>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey!<br>
+      <br>
+      I have some very stupid problem on Mageia 2 with NM. I created
+      system wide connection so that it gets connected at boot time.</font>
+    Now if wifi happens to drop for some reason, NM won't reconnect and
+    asks for *root* password. Search results so long show that i'm not
+    the only one having that problem. And some suggest to add my user to
+    network group. I think it's a bad idea and in Mageia we have solved
+    such problems better. Any ideas how can i avoid that root password
+    prompt?<br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Sander</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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@@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey!<br>
+      <br>
+      I have some very stupid problem on Mageia 2 with NM. I created
+      system wide connection so that it gets connected at boot time.</font>
+    Now if wifi happens to drop for some reason, NM won't reconnect and
+    asks for *root* password. Search results so long show that i'm not
+    the only one having that problem. And some suggest to add my user to
+    network group. I think it's a bad idea and in Mageia we have solved
+    such problems better. Any ideas how can i avoid that root password
+    prompt?<br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Sander</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/15 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 14:54:27 Marek Laane a écrit :<br>
+&gt; 2012/10/15 mikala &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Name        : kremotecontrol               Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Version     : 4.9.2                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+&gt; &gt; Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Oct 15<br>
+&gt; &gt; 13:46:37 2012<br>
+&gt; &gt; Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; Group       : Accessibility                 Source RPM: (none)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Size        : 1084589                          License: GPLv2 and LGPLv2<br>
+&gt; &gt; and GPLD<br>
+&gt; &gt; Signature   : (none)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Packager    : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; URL         : <a href="http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; Summary     : KDE Frontend for the LIRC Suite<br>
+&gt; &gt; Description :<br>
+&gt; &gt; KRemoteControl is a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control<br>
+&gt; &gt; system<br>
+&gt; &gt; (LIRC).<br>
+&gt; &gt; It consist of two parts: a systemtray applet and a configuration module.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:<br>
+&gt; &gt; + Revision: 301978<br>
+&gt; &gt; - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2<br>
+&gt; &gt; - Fix group<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...<br>
+<br>
+i am sure you can be constructiv and propose a group instead of whining /<br>
+writing those kind of mails.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>As kremotecontrol is &quot;<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;,&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans&#39;,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:15px;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control system (LIRC)&quot;, I&#39;d propose rather &quot;Networking&quot;, maybe &quot;Networking/Other&quot; or &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot;. but I&#39;m not sure... configuration module can also be in &quot;System/Configuration/Networking&quot;. Just &quot;Accessibility&quot; doesn&#39;t seem right one.</span></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/15 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 14:54:27 Marek Laane a écrit :<br>
+&gt; 2012/10/15 mikala &lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Name        : kremotecontrol               Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Version     : 4.9.2                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+&gt; &gt; Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Oct 15<br>
+&gt; &gt; 13:46:37 2012<br>
+&gt; &gt; Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: <a href="http://jonund.mageia.org" target="_blank">jonund.mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; Group       : Accessibility                 Source RPM: (none)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Size        : 1084589                          License: GPLv2 and LGPLv2<br>
+&gt; &gt; and GPLD<br>
+&gt; &gt; Signature   : (none)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Packager    : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; URL         : <a href="http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; Summary     : KDE Frontend for the LIRC Suite<br>
+&gt; &gt; Description :<br>
+&gt; &gt; KRemoteControl is a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control<br>
+&gt; &gt; system<br>
+&gt; &gt; (LIRC).<br>
+&gt; &gt; It consist of two parts: a systemtray applet and a configuration module.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:<br>
+&gt; &gt; + Revision: 301978<br>
+&gt; &gt; - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2<br>
+&gt; &gt; - Fix group<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...<br>
+<br>
+i am sure you can be constructiv and propose a group instead of whining /<br>
+writing those kind of mails.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>As kremotecontrol is &quot;<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;,&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans&#39;,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:15px;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control system (LIRC)&quot;, I&#39;d propose rather &quot;Networking&quot;, maybe &quot;Networking/Other&quot; or &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot;. but I&#39;m not sure... configuration module can also be in &quot;System/Configuration/Networking&quot;. Just &quot;Accessibility&quot; doesn&#39;t seem right one.</span></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/15 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a écrit :<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?<br>
+Do you have a better group for this ?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Mageia Contributor<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div> As there are new groups policy, I&#39;d propose either Graphical desktop/KDE, as it is quite pure KDE application, or System/Configuration/Other, as it is &quot;<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(83,83,83);font-family:&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans&#39;,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,&#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;,sans-serif;font-size:13px;text-align:justify">a tool to manage the passwords on your KDE system. By using the KDE wallet subsystem it not only allows you to keep your own secrets but also to access and manage the passwords of every application that integrates with the KDE wallet</span>&quot;. Maybe really &quot;Security&quot; group isn&#39;t right one</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/15 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a écrit :<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?<br>
+Do you have a better group for this ?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Mageia Contributor<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div> As there are new groups policy, I&#39;d propose either Graphical desktop/KDE, as it is quite pure KDE application, or System/Configuration/Other, as it is &quot;<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(83,83,83);font-family:&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans&#39;,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,&#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;,sans-serif;font-size:13px;text-align:justify">a tool to manage the passwords on your KDE system. By using the KDE wallet subsystem it not only allows you to keep your own secrets but also to access and manage the passwords of every application that integrates with the KDE wallet</span>&quot;. Maybe really &quot;Security&quot; group isn&#39;t right one</div>
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+Hi Thierry. Thanks for notification. It&#39;s true. I needed a minute to figured out what actually happened. Since we (translators) don&#39;t have any notification of  changes of pot files yet I use an old version of <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/i18n-tools/check_for_translation_work.sh?view=log">script</a> to search for them and it also merges my existing translation with the new pot file. Since there was only one space removed there was really no need to commit. But the script is to dumb to notice that so it fuzzied that string anyway and I overlooked why it did that. I do double check my commits but I&#39;m not perfect :(. I&#39;m sorry if there was any confusion because of that. But there is no real damage, is it?<br>
+<br>Have a nice day,<br>Filip.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 October 2012 12:48, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 17 October 2012 22:25,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 6305 Author filip Date 2012-10-17 22:25:23 +0200 (Wed, 17 Oct 2012)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Slovenian translation updated<br>
+<br>
+You didn&#39;t actually updated anything...<br>
+<br>
+&gt; drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Modified: drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po<br>
+&gt; ===================================================================<br>
+&gt; --- drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po 2012-10-17 18:13:11 UTC (rev 6304)<br>
+&gt; +++ drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po 2012-10-17 20:25:23 UTC (rev 6305)<br>
+&gt; @@ -14,7 +14,7 @@<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Project-Id-Version: drakwizard\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;POT-Creation-Date: 2008-03-26 15:44+0100\n&quot;<br>
+&gt; -&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2012-05-04 13:25+0200\n&quot;<br>
+&gt; +&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2012-10-17 22:17+0200\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Last-Translator: Filip Komar &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.komar@gmail.com">filip.komar@gmail.com</a>&gt;\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Language-Team: Slovenian &lt;<a href="mailto:lugos-slo@lugos.si">lugos-slo@lugos.si</a>&gt;, Translation list &lt;mageia-&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;<a href="mailto:i18n@mageia.org">i18n@mageia.org</a>&gt;\n&quot;<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi Thierry. Thanks for notification. It&#39;s true. I needed a minute to figured out what actually happened. Since we (translators) don&#39;t have any notification of  changes of pot files yet I use an old version of <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/i18n-tools/check_for_translation_work.sh?view=log">script</a> to search for them and it also merges my existing translation with the new pot file. Since there was only one space removed there was really no need to commit. But the script is to dumb to notice that so it fuzzied that string anyway and I overlooked why it did that. I do double check my commits but I&#39;m not perfect :(. I&#39;m sorry if there was any confusion because of that. But there is no real damage, is it?<br>
+<br>Have a nice day,<br>Filip.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 October 2012 12:48, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 17 October 2012 22:25,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 6305 Author filip Date 2012-10-17 22:25:23 +0200 (Wed, 17 Oct 2012)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Slovenian translation updated<br>
+<br>
+You didn&#39;t actually updated anything...<br>
+<br>
+&gt; drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Modified: drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po<br>
+&gt; ===================================================================<br>
+&gt; --- drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po 2012-10-17 18:13:11 UTC (rev 6304)<br>
+&gt; +++ drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po 2012-10-17 20:25:23 UTC (rev 6305)<br>
+&gt; @@ -14,7 +14,7 @@<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Project-Id-Version: drakwizard\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;POT-Creation-Date: 2008-03-26 15:44+0100\n&quot;<br>
+&gt; -&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2012-05-04 13:25+0200\n&quot;<br>
+&gt; +&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2012-10-17 22:17+0200\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Last-Translator: Filip Komar &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.komar@gmail.com">filip.komar@gmail.com</a>&gt;\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Language-Team: Slovenian &lt;<a href="mailto:lugos-slo@lugos.si">lugos-slo@lugos.si</a>&gt;, Translation list &lt;mageia-&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;<a href="mailto:i18n@mageia.org">i18n@mageia.org</a>&gt;\n&quot;<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19.10.2012 01:24, JA Magallón wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:50808F9B.3050009@ono.com" type="cite">Hi...
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    Hello!<br>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:50808F9B.3050009@ono.com" type="cite">
+      <br>
+      CK is not maintaned anymore, it is deprecated.
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    There were some hacks in WindowMaker with Polkit, is this the same
+    thing?
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+    <a
+href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/windowmaker/current/SOURCES/windowmaker-0.95.2-mga-Mageia-preconfigured-desktop.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/windowmaker/current/SOURCES/windowmaker-0.95.2-mga-Mageia-preconfigured-desktop.patch?view=markup</a><br>
+    <br>
+    I tried to enable it due to  the network manager applet.<br>
+    <br>
+    Kamil<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19.10.2012 01:24, JA Magallón wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:50808F9B.3050009@ono.com" type="cite">Hi...
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    Hello!<br>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:50808F9B.3050009@ono.com" type="cite">
+      <br>
+      CK is not maintaned anymore, it is deprecated.
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    There were some hacks in WindowMaker with Polkit, is this the same
+    thing?
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+    <a
+href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/windowmaker/current/SOURCES/windowmaker-0.95.2-mga-Mageia-preconfigured-desktop.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/windowmaker/current/SOURCES/windowmaker-0.95.2-mga-Mageia-preconfigured-desktop.patch?view=markup</a><br>
+    <br>
+    I tried to enable it due to  the network manager applet.<br>
+    <br>
+    Kamil<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hi all,<br><br>I have a number of packages that are ready to be reviewed for addition to cauldron, and I&#39;d like to get a mentor to review them.  The main problem is that I&#39;m in Asia so it&#39;s going to be difficult for me to attend the IRC meeting at 3 a.m.  :-( :-(<br>
+<br>So I&#39;m looking to see how I can get a mentor.  If there is some other time in which the IRC has people on it, I can meet then, or if someone can send me a personal e-mail letting me know where to upload things.<br>
+<br>Also the things that I&#39;ve had ready for submission are <br><br>various games<br><br>simutrans<br>leocad <br>vassal<br><br>Some python packages<br><br>pi2rpm<br>pyopencl <br>pyopengl<br>pip<br><br>and lots of others<br>
+<br>Some scientific packages<br><br>eigen<br>quantlib - although this will need some work<br><br>X11<br><br>glamor<br>open source ati for southern islands<br><br>Once I get this batch into cauldron, my next goal is to get the entire astrophysical source code library built for mandriva.  In particular, once I get started, I&#39;d like to get CMBFAST and MESA (stellar evolution) into the distribution.<br>
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+Hi all,<br><br>I have a number of packages that are ready to be reviewed for addition to cauldron, and I&#39;d like to get a mentor to review them.  The main problem is that I&#39;m in Asia so it&#39;s going to be difficult for me to attend the IRC meeting at 3 a.m.  :-( :-(<br>
+<br>So I&#39;m looking to see how I can get a mentor.  If there is some other time in which the IRC has people on it, I can meet then, or if someone can send me a personal e-mail letting me know where to upload things.<br>
+<br>Also the things that I&#39;ve had ready for submission are <br><br>various games<br><br>simutrans<br>leocad <br>vassal<br><br>Some python packages<br><br>pi2rpm<br>pyopencl <br>pyopengl<br>pip<br><br>and lots of others<br>
+<br>Some scientific packages<br><br>eigen<br>quantlib - although this will need some work<br><br>X11<br><br>glamor<br>open source ati for southern islands<br><br>Once I get this batch into cauldron, my next goal is to get the entire astrophysical source code library built for mandriva.  In particular, once I get started, I&#39;d like to get CMBFAST and MESA (stellar evolution) into the distribution.<br>
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+Index: urpmi
+===================================================================
+--- urpmi	(révision 5344)
++++ urpmi	(copie de travail)
+@@ -266,8 +266,19 @@
+     urpm::set_env($urpm, $env);
+ } else {
+     if ($< != 0 && !$options{debug__do_not_install}) {
+-	#- need to be root if binary rpms are to be installed
+-	$auto_select || @names || @files and $urpm->{fatal}(1, N("Only superuser is allowed to install packages"));
++        if ($no_install) {
++            #- writable download directory needed
++            $urpm->{fatal}(
++                1,
++                N("Only superuser is allowed to use default download directory") 
++            ) if ! $urpm->{options}{'download-all'};
++        } else {
++            #- root privileges needed to install binary packages
++            $urpm->{fatal}(
++                1,
++                N("Only superuser is allowed to install packages")
++            ) if $auto_select || @names || @files;
++        }
+     }
+ }
+ 
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+Index: urpmi
+===================================================================
+--- urpmi	(révision 5344)
++++ urpmi	(copie de travail)
+@@ -266,8 +266,19 @@
+     urpm::set_env($urpm, $env);
+ } else {
+     if ($< != 0 && !$options{debug__do_not_install}) {
+-	#- need to be root if binary rpms are to be installed
+-	$auto_select || @names || @files and $urpm->{fatal}(1, N("Only superuser is allowed to install packages"));
++        if ($no_install) {
++            #- writable download directory needed
++            $urpm->{fatal}(
++                1,
++                N("Only superuser is allowed to use default download directory") 
++            ) if ! $urpm->{options}{'download-all'};
++        } else {
++            #- root privileges needed to install binary packages
++            $urpm->{fatal}(
++                1,
++                N("Only superuser is allowed to install packages")
++            ) if $auto_select || @names || @files;
++        }
+     }
+ }
+ 
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+diff --git a/urpmi b/urpmi
+index f515f94..10bca45 100755
+--- a/urpmi
++++ b/urpmi
+@@ -260,7 +260,7 @@ if ($bug) {
+ if ($env) {
+     urpm::set_env($urpm, $env);
+ } else {
+-    if ($< != 0 && !$options{debug__do_not_install}) {
++    if ($< != 0 && !$options{debug__do_not_install} && !$no_install) {
+ 	#- need to be root if binary rpms are to be installed
+ 	$auto_select || @names || @files and $urpm->{fatal}(1, N("Only superuser is allowed to install packages"));
+     }
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+commit 54a0e7a4e69284026224eb7602ffc134b2bed169
+Author: tv <thierry.vignaud@gmail.com>
+Date:   Mon Oct 29 15:55:57 2012 +0100
+
+    add --download-dir option
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index cd3abbe..ce32b83 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,8 @@
++- urpmi.cfg:
++  o add download-dir option 
++- urpmi:
++  o add --download-dir option 
++
+ Version 7.10 - 17 October 2012, by Thierry Vignaud
+ 
+ - do not offer to remove DKMS modules for current kernel (mga#5092)
+diff --git a/pod/5/urpmi.cfg.pod b/pod/5/urpmi.cfg.pod
+index baf35fb..515d462 100644
+--- a/pod/5/urpmi.cfg.pod
++++ b/pod/5/urpmi.cfg.pod
+@@ -94,6 +94,13 @@ installing into the specified directory.  If you want to use the default
+ location, assign an empty string to it (WARNING! "yes" or "1" are NOT the
+ options you really want to use here!)
+ 
++=item B<download-dir> 
++
++Same as B<--download-dir> option for urpmi: specify to download remote packages
++before installing them into the specified directory.  If you want to use the default
++location, assign an empty string to it (WARNING! "yes" or "1" are NOT the
++options you really want to use here!)
++
+ =item B<downloader>
+ 
+ Specify which download program to use: B<wget> or B<curl>.
+diff --git a/pod/8/urpmi.pod b/pod/8/urpmi.pod
+index c9fd27a..4b2e39e 100644
+--- a/pod/8/urpmi.pod
++++ b/pod/8/urpmi.pod
+@@ -265,6 +265,13 @@ option is set, urpmi will first download all the needed packages and proceed
+ to install them if it managed to download them all. You can optionally 
+ specify a directory where the files should be downloaded (default is /var/cache/urpmi which could be too small to hold all the files).
+ 
++=item B<--download-dir> I<dest-dir>
++
++By default, urpmi will download packages in a system directory (default is
++/var/cache/urpmi). This can be problematic when someone just want to download
++packages as user witout installing them. When this option is set, urpmi
++download the needed packages in the specified directory.
++
+ =item B<--downloader> I<program name>
+ 
+ Use a specific program for downloading distant files via http or ftp. 
+diff --git a/urpm/args.pm b/urpm/args.pm
+index 4120155..01e99f4 100644
+--- a/urpm/args.pm
++++ b/urpm/args.pm
+@@ -128,6 +128,7 @@ my %options_spec = (
+ 
+ 	'metalink!' => sub { $urpm->{options}{metalink} = $_[1] },
+ 	'download-all:s' => sub { $urpm->{options}{'download-all'} = $_[1] },
++	'download-dir=s' => sub { $urpm->{options}{cachedir} = $_[1] },
+ 	# deprecated in favor of --downloader xxx
+ 	wget => sub { $urpm->{options}{downloader} = 'wget' },
+ 	curl => sub { $urpm->{options}{downloader} = 'curl' },
+diff --git a/urpm/cfg.pm b/urpm/cfg.pm
+index 75487c9..df00dc3 100644
+--- a/urpm/cfg.pm
++++ b/urpm/cfg.pm
+@@ -160,6 +160,7 @@ sub load_config_raw {
+ 	  |retry
+ 	  |default-media
+ 	  |download-all
++	  |download-dir
+ 	  |tune-rpm
+ 	  |(?:curl|rsync|wget|prozilla|aria2)-options
+ 	  )\s*:\s*['"]?(.*?)['"]?$/x) {
+diff --git a/urpmi b/urpmi
+index cf6f8c0..f515f94 100755
+--- a/urpmi
++++ b/urpmi
+@@ -108,6 +108,7 @@ sub usage () {
+                    to install a chroot with --root option.
+ ") . N("  --metalink     - generate and use a local metalink.
+ ") . N("  --download-all - download all needed packages before trying to install them
++") . N("  --download-dir - download the needed packages in the specified directory
+ ") . N("  --downloader   - program to use to retrieve distant files. 
+                    known programs: %s
+ ", join(', ', urpm::download::ftp_http_downloaders()))
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+diff --git a/urpmi b/urpmi
+index f515f94..10bca45 100755
+--- a/urpmi
++++ b/urpmi
+@@ -260,7 +260,7 @@ if ($bug) {
+ if ($env) {
+     urpm::set_env($urpm, $env);
+ } else {
+-    if ($< != 0 && !$options{debug__do_not_install}) {
++    if ($< != 0 && !$options{debug__do_not_install} && !$no_install) {
+ 	#- need to be root if binary rpms are to be installed
+ 	$auto_select || @names || @files and $urpm->{fatal}(1, N("Only superuser is allowed to install packages"));
+     }
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+commit 54a0e7a4e69284026224eb7602ffc134b2bed169
+Author: tv <thierry.vignaud@gmail.com>
+Date:   Mon Oct 29 15:55:57 2012 +0100
+
+    add --download-dir option
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index cd3abbe..ce32b83 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,8 @@
++- urpmi.cfg:
++  o add download-dir option 
++- urpmi:
++  o add --download-dir option 
++
+ Version 7.10 - 17 October 2012, by Thierry Vignaud
+ 
+ - do not offer to remove DKMS modules for current kernel (mga#5092)
+diff --git a/pod/5/urpmi.cfg.pod b/pod/5/urpmi.cfg.pod
+index baf35fb..515d462 100644
+--- a/pod/5/urpmi.cfg.pod
++++ b/pod/5/urpmi.cfg.pod
+@@ -94,6 +94,13 @@ installing into the specified directory.  If you want to use the default
+ location, assign an empty string to it (WARNING! "yes" or "1" are NOT the
+ options you really want to use here!)
+ 
++=item B<download-dir> 
++
++Same as B<--download-dir> option for urpmi: specify to download remote packages
++before installing them into the specified directory.  If you want to use the default
++location, assign an empty string to it (WARNING! "yes" or "1" are NOT the
++options you really want to use here!)
++
+ =item B<downloader>
+ 
+ Specify which download program to use: B<wget> or B<curl>.
+diff --git a/pod/8/urpmi.pod b/pod/8/urpmi.pod
+index c9fd27a..4b2e39e 100644
+--- a/pod/8/urpmi.pod
++++ b/pod/8/urpmi.pod
+@@ -265,6 +265,13 @@ option is set, urpmi will first download all the needed packages and proceed
+ to install them if it managed to download them all. You can optionally 
+ specify a directory where the files should be downloaded (default is /var/cache/urpmi which could be too small to hold all the files).
+ 
++=item B<--download-dir> I<dest-dir>
++
++By default, urpmi will download packages in a system directory (default is
++/var/cache/urpmi). This can be problematic when someone just want to download
++packages as user witout installing them. When this option is set, urpmi
++download the needed packages in the specified directory.
++
+ =item B<--downloader> I<program name>
+ 
+ Use a specific program for downloading distant files via http or ftp. 
+diff --git a/urpm/args.pm b/urpm/args.pm
+index 4120155..01e99f4 100644
+--- a/urpm/args.pm
++++ b/urpm/args.pm
+@@ -128,6 +128,7 @@ my %options_spec = (
+ 
+ 	'metalink!' => sub { $urpm->{options}{metalink} = $_[1] },
+ 	'download-all:s' => sub { $urpm->{options}{'download-all'} = $_[1] },
++	'download-dir=s' => sub { $urpm->{options}{cachedir} = $_[1] },
+ 	# deprecated in favor of --downloader xxx
+ 	wget => sub { $urpm->{options}{downloader} = 'wget' },
+ 	curl => sub { $urpm->{options}{downloader} = 'curl' },
+diff --git a/urpm/cfg.pm b/urpm/cfg.pm
+index 75487c9..df00dc3 100644
+--- a/urpm/cfg.pm
++++ b/urpm/cfg.pm
+@@ -160,6 +160,7 @@ sub load_config_raw {
+ 	  |retry
+ 	  |default-media
+ 	  |download-all
++	  |download-dir
+ 	  |tune-rpm
+ 	  |(?:curl|rsync|wget|prozilla|aria2)-options
+ 	  )\s*:\s*['"]?(.*?)['"]?$/x) {
+diff --git a/urpmi b/urpmi
+index cf6f8c0..f515f94 100755
+--- a/urpmi
++++ b/urpmi
+@@ -108,6 +108,7 @@ sub usage () {
+                    to install a chroot with --root option.
+ ") . N("  --metalink     - generate and use a local metalink.
+ ") . N("  --download-all - download all needed packages before trying to install them
++") . N("  --download-dir - download the needed packages in the specified directory
+ ") . N("  --downloader   - program to use to retrieve distant files. 
+                    known programs: %s
+ ", join(', ', urpm::download::ftp_http_downloaders()))
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+<div><div>Yes i know it uses hardlink, what i mean what advantages do you see by changing to bind mount.&#160; </div><div><br/></div><div><br/></div><div>I mean if it works, why shall we fix it?</div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt; escribió:<br><br>On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 05:59:12AM -0600, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:<br>&gt; Please explain me why you want to change the current bind mount of<br>&gt; sasl for postfix?&nbsp; What you propose?<br><br>If you read the thread you'll notice that Colin said it uses hard link<br>and that I suggested bind mounts. If it is already using bind mounts<br>instead of hard links, cool.<br><br>-- <br>Regards,<br>Olav<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.</div><div><br></div><div>The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):</div>
+<div><div>ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-bigdecimal</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-io-console</div>
+<div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-json</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-minitest</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rdoc</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:libruby1.9</div>
+<div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-devel</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-doc</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-irb</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-tk</div>
+<div> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera</div><div> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera-doc</div><div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:libqtruby4shared2</div><div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4</div>
+<div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4-devel</div><div> ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems</div><div> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree</div><div> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc</div>
+<div> weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:weechat-ruby</div><div> </div></div><div>The reason why I couldn&#39;t load it directly into release, is that I introduced unwanted epoch for ruby packages when doing testing.</div>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.</div><div><br></div><div>The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):</div>
+<div><div>ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-bigdecimal</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-io-console</div>
+<div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-json</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-minitest</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rdoc</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:libruby1.9</div>
+<div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-devel</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-doc</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-irb</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-tk</div>
+<div> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera</div><div> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera-doc</div><div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:libqtruby4shared2</div><div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4</div>
+<div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4-devel</div><div> ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems</div><div> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree</div><div> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc</div>
+<div> weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:weechat-ruby</div><div> </div></div><div>The reason why I couldn&#39;t load it directly into release, is that I introduced unwanted epoch for ruby packages when doing testing.</div>
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+<div><div>Please explain me why you want to change the current bind mount of sasl for postfix?&#160; What you propose?</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt; escribió:<br><br>On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 04:55:28PM +0000, Colin Guthrie wrote:<br>&gt; So, what should we do? Should we switch to bind mounts? Should we make<br>&gt; saslauthd/postfix use abstract sockets instead to get around the chroot?<br><br>bind mount for just saslauth seems cleanest to me. Don't bind mount<br>entire /run or /var/run, could impact security of the chroot somehow.<br><br>-- <br>Regards,<br>Olav<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<div><div>Please explain me why you want to change the current bind mount of sasl for postfix?&#160; What you propose?</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt; escribió:<br><br>On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 04:55:28PM +0000, Colin Guthrie wrote:<br>&gt; So, what should we do? Should we switch to bind mounts? Should we make<br>&gt; saslauthd/postfix use abstract sockets instead to get around the chroot?<br><br>bind mount for just saslauth seems cleanest to me. Don't bind mount<br>entire /run or /var/run, could impact security of the chroot somehow.<br><br>-- <br>Regards,<br>Olav<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+ping?<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/31 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.</div><div><br></div><div>The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):</div>
+
+<div><div>ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-bigdecimal</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-io-console</div>
+
+<div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-json</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-minitest</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rdoc</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:libruby1.9</div>
+
+<div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-devel</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-doc</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-irb</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-tk</div>
+
+<div> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera</div><div> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera-doc</div><div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:libqtruby4shared2</div><div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4</div>
+
+<div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4-devel</div><div> ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems</div><div> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree</div><div> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc</div>
+
+<div> weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:weechat-ruby</div><div> </div></div><div>The reason why I couldn&#39;t load it directly into release, is that I introduced unwanted epoch for ruby packages when doing testing.</div>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+ping?<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/31 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.</div><div><br></div><div>The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):</div>
+
+<div><div>ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-bigdecimal</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-io-console</div>
+
+<div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-json</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-minitest</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rdoc</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:libruby1.9</div>
+
+<div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-devel</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-doc</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-irb</div><div> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-tk</div>
+
+<div> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera</div><div> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera-doc</div><div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:libqtruby4shared2</div><div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4</div>
+
+<div> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4-devel</div><div> ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems</div><div> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree</div><div> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc</div>
+
+<div> weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:weechat-ruby</div><div> </div></div><div>The reason why I couldn&#39;t load it directly into release, is that I introduced unwanted epoch for ruby packages when doing testing.</div>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div><div>Ok, i will fix it.</div><div><br/></div><div>Driving...</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Colin Guthrie &lt;mageia@colin.guthr.ie&gt; escribió:<br><br>'Twas brillig, and Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz at 31/10/12 12:58 did gyre<br>and gimble:<br>&gt; Yes i know it uses hardlink, what i mean what advantages do you see by<br>&gt; changing to bind mount. <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; I mean if it works, why shall we fix it?<br><br>That's the problem, it doesn't work anymore in cauldron as /var/run is<br>on a different filesystem to /var/spool/postfix/var/run and hardlinks<br>only work within the same filesystem.<br><br>Even the old way would have been broken if /var/lib was mounted<br>separately (although this would be very rare indeed!).<br><br>So as I stated originally, hardlinks simply won't work as a solution any<br>more.<br><br>I was thinking of bind mounting only the individual mux socket.<br><br>It's not ideal, but I can't think of a nicer way.<br><br>Col<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Colin Guthrie<br>colin(at)mageia.org<br>http://colin.guthr.ie/<br><br>Day Job:<br>&nbsp; Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/<br>Open Source:<br>&nbsp; Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/<br>&nbsp; PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/<br>&nbsp; Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org/<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<div><div>Ok, i will fix it.</div><div><br/></div><div>Driving...</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Colin Guthrie &lt;mageia@colin.guthr.ie&gt; escribió:<br><br>'Twas brillig, and Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz at 31/10/12 12:58 did gyre<br>and gimble:<br>&gt; Yes i know it uses hardlink, what i mean what advantages do you see by<br>&gt; changing to bind mount. <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; I mean if it works, why shall we fix it?<br><br>That's the problem, it doesn't work anymore in cauldron as /var/run is<br>on a different filesystem to /var/spool/postfix/var/run and hardlinks<br>only work within the same filesystem.<br><br>Even the old way would have been broken if /var/lib was mounted<br>separately (although this would be very rare indeed!).<br><br>So as I stated originally, hardlinks simply won't work as a solution any<br>more.<br><br>I was thinking of bind mounting only the individual mux socket.<br><br>It's not ideal, but I can't think of a nicer way.<br><br>Col<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Colin Guthrie<br>colin(at)mageia.org<br>http://colin.guthr.ie/<br><br>Day Job:<br>&nbsp; Tribalogic Limited http://www.tribalogic.net/<br>Open Source:<br>&nbsp; Mageia Contributor http://www.mageia.org/<br>&nbsp; PulseAudio Hacker http://www.pulseaudio.org/<br>&nbsp; Trac Hacker http://trac.edgewall.org/<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<div>Thanks, but still some of them are left now:<br></div><div>libqtruby4shared2, libruby1.9, ruby,</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/31 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+31.10.2012 17:26, Funda Wang skrev:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ping?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Removed...<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/10/31 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<div><div class="h5"><br>
+
+<br>
+    Hello,<br>
+<br>
+    Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in<br>
+    core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.<br>
+<br>
+    The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):<br>
+    ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-rake<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-RubyGems<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-bigdecimal<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-io-console<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-json<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-minitest<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-rake<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-rdoc<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:libruby1.9<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-devel<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-doc<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-irb<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-tk<br>
+      ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-hiera<br>
+      ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-hiera-doc<br>
+      ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:<u></u>libqtruby4shared2<br>
+      ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:<u></u>ruby-qt4<br>
+      ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:<u></u>ruby-qt4-devel<br>
+      ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.<u></u>src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems<br>
+      ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.<u></u>src.rpm:ruby-rubytree<br>
+      ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.<u></u>src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc<br>
+      weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:<u></u>weechat-ruby<br>
+    The reason why I couldn&#39;t load it directly into release, is that I<br>
+    introduced unwanted epoch for ruby packages when doing testing.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div>Thanks, but still some of them are left now:<br></div><div>libqtruby4shared2, libruby1.9, ruby,</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/10/31 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+31.10.2012 17:26, Funda Wang skrev:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ping?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Removed...<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/10/31 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<div><div class="h5"><br>
+
+<br>
+    Hello,<br>
+<br>
+    Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in<br>
+    core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.<br>
+<br>
+    The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):<br>
+    ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-rake<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-RubyGems<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-bigdecimal<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-io-console<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-json<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-minitest<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-rake<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-rdoc<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:libruby1.9<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-devel<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-doc<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-irb<br>
+      ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-tk<br>
+      ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-hiera<br>
+      ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.<u></u>rpm:ruby-hiera-doc<br>
+      ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:<u></u>libqtruby4shared2<br>
+      ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:<u></u>ruby-qt4<br>
+      ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:<u></u>ruby-qt4-devel<br>
+      ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.<u></u>src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems<br>
+      ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.<u></u>src.rpm:ruby-rubytree<br>
+      ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.<u></u>src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc<br>
+      weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:<u></u>weechat-ruby<br>
+    The reason why I couldn&#39;t load it directly into release, is that I<br>
+    introduced unwanted epoch for ruby packages when doing testing.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div>Hey everyone</div><div><br></div><div>That times come around again, we need to start gathering artwork for the next release, so we have set up a new flickr account.</div><div>If you have any ideas for new backgrounds, screensavers, icons or the like, then please post them up here: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia3artworkdrop/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia3artworkdrop/</a></div>
+
+<div>The licensing requirements can be seen there, but all the artwork must be fully licensed under CC_BY_SA 3, by submitting there then you are agreeing that the work is your own and that you have permission to use any other contributions to your work. </div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Well, we look forward to seeing what you come up with.</div><br clear="all">Donald &#39;Schultz&#39; Stewart<br>
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+<div>Hey everyone</div><div><br></div><div>That times come around again, we need to start gathering artwork for the next release, so we have set up a new flickr account.</div><div>If you have any ideas for new backgrounds, screensavers, icons or the like, then please post them up here: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia3artworkdrop/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia3artworkdrop/</a></div>
+
+<div>The licensing requirements can be seen there, but all the artwork must be fully licensed under CC_BY_SA 3, by submitting there then you are agreeing that the work is your own and that you have permission to use any other contributions to your work. </div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Well, we look forward to seeing what you come up with.</div><br clear="all">Donald &#39;Schultz&#39; Stewart<br>
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+Hello,<br /><br />Can you add the MTP (Media Transport Protocol) Support in Mageia 2 and 3 ?<br />This support is needed to copy files from/to PC with Mageia OS from/to Android smartphones or tablets.<br /><br />More infos about this feature here : https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:MTP_%28Media_Transport_Protocol%29_Support<br /><br />Note : mageia *.spec file and script for automount are already available here :<br />https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7638<br /><br />Best regards<br /><BR><BR><a target=_blank href=http://www.laposte.net/Archiver/index.jsp><img style="margin: 0pt;" src="http://webmail.laposte.net/webmail/fr_FR/panels/images/Pied_de_Mail_DGP.gif" alt=""><a>
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+Hello,<br /><br />Can you add the MTP (Media Transport Protocol) Support in Mageia 2 and 3 ?<br />This support is needed to copy files from/to PC with Mageia OS from/to Android smartphones or tablets.<br /><br />More infos about this feature here : https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:MTP_%28Media_Transport_Protocol%29_Support<br /><br />Note : mageia *.spec file and script for automount are already available here :<br />https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7638<br /><br />Best regards<br /><BR><BR><a target=_blank href=http://www.laposte.net/Archiver/index.jsp><img style="margin: 0pt;" src="http://webmail.laposte.net/webmail/fr_FR/panels/images/Pied_de_Mail_DGP.gif" alt=""><a>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I opened a bug @ </font><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7953">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7953</a><br>
+    <br>
+    Long story short:<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm using KDE + some GTK apps that have blinking icons (XChat,
+    Pidgin). When those icons are blinking, X will start to leak memory
+    (~100MB per day, sometimes more). And i have no idea how to trace
+    this leak :/<br>
+    <br>
+    It seems to have no connection with Graphics Card, i can reproduce
+    it with Intel and Nvidia (both drivers, nvidia and nouveau).<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm having that bug on mga2, if someone can test it on cauldron too
+    it would be great. And all ideas on how to trace this weirdness are
+    also very welcome!<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks!<br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Sander</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
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+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I opened a bug @ </font><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7953">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7953</a><br>
+    <br>
+    Long story short:<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm using KDE + some GTK apps that have blinking icons (XChat,
+    Pidgin). When those icons are blinking, X will start to leak memory
+    (~100MB per day, sometimes more). And i have no idea how to trace
+    this leak :/<br>
+    <br>
+    It seems to have no connection with Graphics Card, i can reproduce
+    it with Intel and Nvidia (both drivers, nvidia and nouveau).<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm having that bug on mga2, if someone can test it on cauldron too
+    it would be great. And all ideas on how to trace this weirdness are
+    also very welcome!<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks!<br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Sander</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Great idea !<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Kristoffer Grundström &lt;kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:36 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Mageia-dev] What's happening?<br> </font> </div> <br>
+I'm confident that a lot of people would like to see the possibility to clone the idea of OpenSuse Studio, but I wonder if anyone here would start to make it happen.<br><br>Read my suggestion-report at the bottom of this page here: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_Ideas_Page" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_Ideas_Page</a><br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Great idea !<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Kristoffer Grundström &lt;kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-dev@mageia.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:36 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Mageia-dev] What's happening?<br> </font> </div> <br>
+I'm confident that a lot of people would like to see the possibility to clone the idea of OpenSuse Studio, but I wonder if anyone here would start to make it happen.<br><br>Read my suggestion-report at the bottom of this page here: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_Ideas_Page" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_Ideas_Page</a><br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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+Hi,<br><br>I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet Jack2 is simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a newer version (as the official website also states clearly: <a href="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2">http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</a> ).<br>
+
+<br>Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and people on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I compiled Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.<br>
+
+<br>So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.<br><br>But then I have questions:<br><br>1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named &quot;jackit&quot; and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change package names this way? It is not that long). The official alternative name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here: <a href="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2">https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</a> ). I saw nowhere else this &quot;jackit&quot; naming.<br>
+
+<br>So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and would like to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.<br>Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?<br>
+
+<br>2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?<br>The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.<br><br>I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit for the same reason as before (I don&#39;t see where this name comes from), also libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a library (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).<br>
+
+<br>I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.<br><br>How does this sound?<br>Thanks.<br><br>Jehan<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet Jack2 is simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a newer version (as the official website also states clearly: <a href="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2">http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</a> ).<br>
+
+<br>Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and people on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I compiled Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.<br>
+
+<br>So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.<br><br>But then I have questions:<br><br>1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named &quot;jackit&quot; and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change package names this way? It is not that long). The official alternative name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here: <a href="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2">https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</a> ). I saw nowhere else this &quot;jackit&quot; naming.<br>
+
+<br>So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and would like to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.<br>Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?<br>
+
+<br>2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?<br>The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.<br><br>I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit for the same reason as before (I don&#39;t see where this name comes from), also libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a library (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).<br>
+
+<br>I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.<br><br>How does this sound?<br>Thanks.<br><br>Jehan<br>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, PhilippeDidier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Jehan Pagès a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet Jack2 is<br>
+&gt; simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a<br>
+&gt; newer version (as the official website also states clearly:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2" target="_blank">http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</a> ).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and people<br>
+&gt; on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both<br>
+&gt; Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I compiled<br>
+&gt; Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; But then I have questions:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named &quot;jackit&quot;<br>
+&gt; and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter<br>
+&gt; name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change<br>
+&gt; package names this way?<br>
+&gt; It is not that long). The official alternative<br>
+&gt; name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2" target="_blank">https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</a> ). I saw nowhere else this &quot;jackit&quot;<br>
+&gt; naming.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack<br>
+package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio<br>
+Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still<br>
+provided in Mageia...<br>
+<br>
+When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other name...<br>
+so jackit !!!<br>
+There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or<br>
+2004 year.<br>
+Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only<br>
+distributions calling JACK package &quot;jackit&quot; ....<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and would like<br>
+&gt; to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.<br>
+&gt; Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?<br>
+&gt; The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit for the<br>
+&gt; same reason as before (I don&#39;t see where this name comes from), also<br>
+&gt; libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a library<br>
+&gt; (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; How does this sound?<br>
+&gt; Thanks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Jehan<br>
+</div>Not simple because of this context ...<br>
+If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing jack<br>
+from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring jackit<br>
+now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK .<br>
+<br>
+Post Scriptum : Reading this I don&#39;t know if my explanation  is clear<br>
+enough ...<br>
+A key to understand what I wrote :<br>
+&quot;jack&quot; is the name of a package (whatever its content is)<br>
+&quot;jackit&quot; is the name of a package<br>
+&quot;JACK&quot; is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the<br>
+software you are talking about<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Ok I understood the deal.<br>I would personally prefer even a longer package name like jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming. Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.<br>
+
+<br>Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is not that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package then? And can I say that this new package &quot;Provides: jackit&quot; so that it works as an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?<br>
+
+Thanks.<br><br>Jehan<br></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, PhilippeDidier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Jehan Pagès a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet Jack2 is<br>
+&gt; simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a<br>
+&gt; newer version (as the official website also states clearly:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2" target="_blank">http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</a> ).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and people<br>
+&gt; on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both<br>
+&gt; Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I compiled<br>
+&gt; Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; But then I have questions:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named &quot;jackit&quot;<br>
+&gt; and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter<br>
+&gt; name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change<br>
+&gt; package names this way?<br>
+&gt; It is not that long). The official alternative<br>
+&gt; name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2" target="_blank">https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</a> ). I saw nowhere else this &quot;jackit&quot;<br>
+&gt; naming.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack<br>
+package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio<br>
+Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still<br>
+provided in Mageia...<br>
+<br>
+When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other name...<br>
+so jackit !!!<br>
+There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or<br>
+2004 year.<br>
+Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only<br>
+distributions calling JACK package &quot;jackit&quot; ....<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and would like<br>
+&gt; to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.<br>
+&gt; Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?<br>
+&gt; The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit for the<br>
+&gt; same reason as before (I don&#39;t see where this name comes from), also<br>
+&gt; libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a library<br>
+&gt; (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; How does this sound?<br>
+&gt; Thanks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Jehan<br>
+</div>Not simple because of this context ...<br>
+If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing jack<br>
+from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring jackit<br>
+now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK .<br>
+<br>
+Post Scriptum : Reading this I don&#39;t know if my explanation  is clear<br>
+enough ...<br>
+A key to understand what I wrote :<br>
+&quot;jack&quot; is the name of a package (whatever its content is)<br>
+&quot;jackit&quot; is the name of a package<br>
+&quot;JACK&quot; is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the<br>
+software you are talking about<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Ok I understood the deal.<br>I would personally prefer even a longer package name like jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming. Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.<br>
+
+<br>Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is not that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package then? And can I say that this new package &quot;Provides: jackit&quot; so that it works as an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?<br>
+
+Thanks.<br><br>Jehan<br></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:29 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jehan Pagès a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br><div class="im">
+On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, PhilippeDidier<br></div><div><div class="h5">
+&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@<u></u>laposte.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+
+<br>
+    Jehan Pagès a écrit :<br>
+     &gt; Hi,<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet<br>
+    Jack2 is<br>
+     &gt; simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a<br>
+     &gt; newer version (as the official website also states clearly:<br>
+     &gt; <a href="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2" target="_blank">http://trac.jackaudio.org/<u></u>wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</a> ).<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and<br>
+    people<br>
+     &gt; on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both<br>
+     &gt; Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I<br>
+    compiled<br>
+     &gt; Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; But then I have questions:<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named<br>
+    &quot;jackit&quot;<br>
+     &gt; and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter<br>
+     &gt; name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change<br>
+     &gt; package names this way?<br>
+     &gt; It is not that long). The official alternative<br>
+     &gt; name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here:<br>
+     &gt; <a href="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2" target="_blank">https://github.com/jackaudio/<u></u>jack2</a> ). I saw nowhere else this<br>
+    &quot;jackit&quot;<br>
+     &gt; naming.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+    We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack<br>
+    package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio<br>
+    Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still<br>
+    provided in Mageia...<br>
+<br>
+    When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other name...<br>
+    so jackit !!!<br>
+    There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or<br>
+    2004 year.<br>
+    Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only<br>
+    distributions calling JACK package &quot;jackit&quot; ....<br>
+     &gt; So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and<br>
+    would like<br>
+     &gt; to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.<br>
+     &gt; Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?<br>
+     &gt; The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a<br>
+    &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit<br>
+    for the<br>
+     &gt; same reason as before (I don&#39;t see where this name comes from), also<br>
+     &gt; libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a<br>
+    library<br>
+     &gt; (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; How does this sound?<br>
+     &gt; Thanks.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; Jehan<br>
+    Not simple because of this context ...<br>
+    If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing jack<br>
+    from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring jackit<br>
+    now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK .<br>
+<br>
+    Post Scriptum : Reading this I don&#39;t know if my explanation  is clear<br>
+    enough ...<br>
+    A key to understand what I wrote :<br>
+    &quot;jack&quot; is the name of a package (whatever its content is)<br>
+    &quot;jackit&quot; is the name of a package<br>
+    &quot;JACK&quot; is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the<br>
+    software you are talking about<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Ok I understood the deal.<br>
+I would personally prefer even a longer package name like<br>
+jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming.<br>
+Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.<br>
+<br>
+Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is<br>
+not that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package<br>
+then? And can I say that this new package &quot;Provides: jackit&quot; so that it<br>
+works as an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+Jehan<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+<br>
+why not give jack1 the name :<br>
+ &quot;jack1 - the Jack Audio Connection Kit 1&quot;<br>
+and modify the description to include :<br>
+ &quot;This is the original C implementation of the Jack Audio Connection Kit protocol (JACK).  It is under active development concurrently with jackit (JACK2)&quot;<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;ll do this like this, then, and propose a SPEC to my mentor, maybe today.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+It might also be a good idea to modify the jackit description to indicate that it is concurrent to jack1 as well.<br>
+And maybe rename it to jack2, if it is not too complicated ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I guess the maintainer of this package will have to do this. I&#39;ll search for his email.<br>Thanks all.<br><br>Jehan<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+We could always use provides to accommodate packages requiring JACK.<br>
+<br>
+Just some suggestions ...<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:29 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jehan Pagès a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br><div class="im">
+On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, PhilippeDidier<br></div><div><div class="h5">
+&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@<u></u>laposte.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+
+<br>
+    Jehan Pagès a écrit :<br>
+     &gt; Hi,<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet<br>
+    Jack2 is<br>
+     &gt; simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a<br>
+     &gt; newer version (as the official website also states clearly:<br>
+     &gt; <a href="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2" target="_blank">http://trac.jackaudio.org/<u></u>wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</a> ).<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and<br>
+    people<br>
+     &gt; on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both<br>
+     &gt; Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I<br>
+    compiled<br>
+     &gt; Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; But then I have questions:<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named<br>
+    &quot;jackit&quot;<br>
+     &gt; and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter<br>
+     &gt; name for &quot;Jack Audio Connection Kit&quot;, but should we really change<br>
+     &gt; package names this way?<br>
+     &gt; It is not that long). The official alternative<br>
+     &gt; name of Jack2 is &quot;jackdmp&quot; (see README here:<br>
+     &gt; <a href="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2" target="_blank">https://github.com/jackaudio/<u></u>jack2</a> ). I saw nowhere else this<br>
+    &quot;jackit&quot;<br>
+     &gt; naming.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+    We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack<br>
+    package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio<br>
+    Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still<br>
+    provided in Mageia...<br>
+<br>
+    When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other name...<br>
+    so jackit !!!<br>
+    There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or<br>
+    2004 year.<br>
+    Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only<br>
+    distributions calling JACK package &quot;jackit&quot; ....<br>
+     &gt; So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and<br>
+    would like<br>
+     &gt; to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.<br>
+     &gt; Maybe simply &quot;jack1&quot; and &quot;jack2&quot;? Or &quot;jack&quot; and &quot;jackdmp&quot;?<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?<br>
+     &gt; The existing &quot;jackit&quot; spec provides a &quot;jackit-devel&quot; and a<br>
+    &quot;libjack-devel&quot;.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit<br>
+    for the<br>
+     &gt; same reason as before (I don&#39;t see where this name comes from), also<br>
+     &gt; libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a<br>
+    library<br>
+     &gt; (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; I propose simply &quot;jack&quot; as virtual package name.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; How does this sound?<br>
+     &gt; Thanks.<br>
+     &gt;<br>
+     &gt; Jehan<br>
+    Not simple because of this context ...<br>
+    If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing jack<br>
+    from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring jackit<br>
+    now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK .<br>
+<br>
+    Post Scriptum : Reading this I don&#39;t know if my explanation  is clear<br>
+    enough ...<br>
+    A key to understand what I wrote :<br>
+    &quot;jack&quot; is the name of a package (whatever its content is)<br>
+    &quot;jackit&quot; is the name of a package<br>
+    &quot;JACK&quot; is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the<br>
+    software you are talking about<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Ok I understood the deal.<br>
+I would personally prefer even a longer package name like<br>
+jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming.<br>
+Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.<br>
+<br>
+Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is<br>
+not that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package<br>
+then? And can I say that this new package &quot;Provides: jackit&quot; so that it<br>
+works as an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+Jehan<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+<br>
+why not give jack1 the name :<br>
+ &quot;jack1 - the Jack Audio Connection Kit 1&quot;<br>
+and modify the description to include :<br>
+ &quot;This is the original C implementation of the Jack Audio Connection Kit protocol (JACK).  It is under active development concurrently with jackit (JACK2)&quot;<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;ll do this like this, then, and propose a SPEC to my mentor, maybe today.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+It might also be a good idea to modify the jackit description to indicate that it is concurrent to jack1 as well.<br>
+And maybe rename it to jack2, if it is not too complicated ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I guess the maintainer of this package will have to do this. I&#39;ll search for his email.<br>Thanks all.<br><br>Jehan<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+We could always use provides to accommodate packages requiring JACK.<br>
+<br>
+Just some suggestions ...<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+André<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+then please push rpmlint-mageia-policy into infra. Thanks.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/5 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">04.11.2012 19:13, Funda Wang skrev:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+We already have the similar problem in the period of mandriva, packages<br>
+with same names but different archs won&#39;t be deleted from repository.<br>
+Maybe somebody could check youri&#39;s code to fix this problem.<br>
+<br>
+As for the deps list, I think this page shows them all:<br>
+<a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/<u></u>cauldron/missing.html</a><br>
+<br>
+And, there are some packages cannot be uploaded due to rpmlint polciy<br>
+for filenames, which I cannot deal with :( Personally, I don&#39;t think we<br>
+should check package file list for restricted filenames.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Actually checking file lists is good as it catches some packaging bugs..<br>
+<br>
+If you need new exceptions, add them to the rpmlint-mageia-policy<br>
+package, and notify sysadmins of the need and we&#39;ll update it on<br>
+build infra.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+then please push rpmlint-mageia-policy into infra. Thanks.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/5 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">04.11.2012 19:13, Funda Wang skrev:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+We already have the similar problem in the period of mandriva, packages<br>
+with same names but different archs won&#39;t be deleted from repository.<br>
+Maybe somebody could check youri&#39;s code to fix this problem.<br>
+<br>
+As for the deps list, I think this page shows them all:<br>
+<a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/<u></u>cauldron/missing.html</a><br>
+<br>
+And, there are some packages cannot be uploaded due to rpmlint polciy<br>
+for filenames, which I cannot deal with :( Personally, I don&#39;t think we<br>
+should check package file list for restricted filenames.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Actually checking file lists is good as it catches some packaging bugs..<br>
+<br>
+If you need new exceptions, add them to the rpmlint-mageia-policy<br>
+package, and notify sysadmins of the need and we&#39;ll update it on<br>
+build infra.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div>We already have the similar problem in the period of mandriva, packages with same names but different archs won&#39;t be deleted from repository. Maybe somebody could check youri&#39;s code to fix this problem.<br></div>
+<div><br></div><div>As for the deps list, I think this page shows them all:</div><div><a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>And, there are some packages cannot be uploaded due to rpmlint polciy for filenames, which I cannot deal with :( Personally, I don&#39;t think we should check package file list for restricted filenames.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Regards.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/4 PhilippeDidier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi<br>
+To Funda<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m always impressed by the huge work you do for Mageia...<br>
+<br>
+There&#39;s a little problem with ruby updates in Cauldron : as shikamaru is<br>
+always the official maintainer you may not be advertised of this :<br>
+<a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html</a><br>
+<br>
+indeed, in cauldron repository we have coexisting ruby-*-doc packages as<br>
+if the last update, with noarch suffix, has not obsoleted the last  old<br>
+version of some doc rpm which didn&#39;t have the noarch suffix:<br>
+for instance<br>
+ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-3.mga3         remains besides<br>
+ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-4.mga3.noarch<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps  sysadmin will have to remove  some ruby-*-doc rpm  if they<br>
+don&#39;t explicitely have mga3.noarch extension<br>
+<br>
+here is a list of few examples of rpm that have to be  removed in 586<br>
+and x86_64 repositories :<br>
+ruby-atk-doc-1.0.3-1.mga2<br>
+ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-3.mga3<br>
+ruby-curb-doc-0.7.15-1.mga1<br>
+ruby-eventmachine-doc-0.12.10-3.mga1<br>
+<br>
+we can explore the whole repo or simply use<br>
+<a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html</a><br>
+to get the list<br>
+<br>
+Same for some other non doc rpms<br>
+ruby-em-http-request-0.3.0-1.mga1 remains besides<br>
+ruby-em-http-request-1.0.3-2.mga3.noarch<br>
+<br>
+Hope this will help to decrease the number of &quot;broken dependancies&quot; (at<br>
+least 60  will be resolved...)<br>
+<br>
+Regards to Funda and sysadmins<br>
+<br>
+Philippe<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div>We already have the similar problem in the period of mandriva, packages with same names but different archs won&#39;t be deleted from repository. Maybe somebody could check youri&#39;s code to fix this problem.<br></div>
+<div><br></div><div>As for the deps list, I think this page shows them all:</div><div><a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/missing.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>And, there are some packages cannot be uploaded due to rpmlint polciy for filenames, which I cannot deal with :( Personally, I don&#39;t think we should check package file list for restricted filenames.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Regards.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/4 PhilippeDidier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi<br>
+To Funda<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m always impressed by the huge work you do for Mageia...<br>
+<br>
+There&#39;s a little problem with ruby updates in Cauldron : as shikamaru is<br>
+always the official maintainer you may not be advertised of this :<br>
+<a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html</a><br>
+<br>
+indeed, in cauldron repository we have coexisting ruby-*-doc packages as<br>
+if the last update, with noarch suffix, has not obsoleted the last  old<br>
+version of some doc rpm which didn&#39;t have the noarch suffix:<br>
+for instance<br>
+ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-3.mga3         remains besides<br>
+ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-4.mga3.noarch<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps  sysadmin will have to remove  some ruby-*-doc rpm  if they<br>
+don&#39;t explicitely have mga3.noarch extension<br>
+<br>
+here is a list of few examples of rpm that have to be  removed in 586<br>
+and x86_64 repositories :<br>
+ruby-atk-doc-1.0.3-1.mga2<br>
+ruby-BlueCloth-doc-2.2.0-3.mga3<br>
+ruby-curb-doc-0.7.15-1.mga1<br>
+ruby-eventmachine-doc-0.12.10-3.mga1<br>
+<br>
+we can explore the whole repo or simply use<br>
+<a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/shikamaru/dependencies.html</a><br>
+to get the list<br>
+<br>
+Same for some other non doc rpms<br>
+ruby-em-http-request-0.3.0-1.mga1 remains besides<br>
+ruby-em-http-request-1.0.3-2.mga3.noarch<br>
+<br>
+Hope this will help to decrease the number of &quot;broken dependancies&quot; (at<br>
+least 60  will be resolved...)<br>
+<br>
+Regards to Funda and sysadmins<br>
+<br>
+Philippe<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Subject: fallback mode
+From: Matthias Clasen &lt;matthias.clasen@gmail.com&gt;
+To: distributor-list@gnome.org
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+I'm writing to inform you that the release team discussed
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+yesterday. We've come to the conclusion that we can't maintain
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+
+We're now working on organizing this so that it does not create more
+fallout than necessary. As part of this, I'm reaching out to our
+distributors to see what parts they care about. We haven't worked out
+a detailed plan for 3.8 tasks yet, but the feature page should give
+you a good idea about what things will be part of the 3.8 plan:
+
+- remove the 'forced fallback' ui in control-center
+
+- unify 'gnome can't run' and 'failwhale' UX
+
+- move background rendering entirely into gnome-shell; this is most
+likely to cause some problems for other environments that reuse g-s-d
+for background rendering. Splitting off the desktop-rendering
+functionality from nautilus is a separate issue, and does not
+necessarily have to happen for 3.8.
+
+Please watch the feature page for more details, as we work them out,
+and please contact us with your concerns. Lets work together and
+minimize the pain of this transition.
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+Matthias, for the release team
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+Subject: fallback mode
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+I'm writing to inform you that the release team discussed
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+yesterday. We've come to the conclusion that we can't maintain
+fallback mode in reasonable quality, and are better off dropping it.
+
+We're now working on organizing this so that it does not create more
+fallout than necessary. As part of this, I'm reaching out to our
+distributors to see what parts they care about. We haven't worked out
+a detailed plan for 3.8 tasks yet, but the feature page should give
+you a good idea about what things will be part of the 3.8 plan:
+
+- remove the 'forced fallback' ui in control-center
+
+- unify 'gnome can't run' and 'failwhale' UX
+
+- move background rendering entirely into gnome-shell; this is most
+likely to cause some problems for other environments that reuse g-s-d
+for background rendering. Splitting off the desktop-rendering
+functionality from nautilus is a separate issue, and does not
+necessarily have to happen for 3.8.
+
+Please watch the feature page for more details, as we work them out,
+and please contact us with your concerns. Lets work together and
+minimize the pain of this transition.
+
+Matthias, for the release team
+_______________________________________________
+distributor-list mailing list
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On Wednesday 07 November 2012 10:07, Pascal Terjan wrote:<br>
+&gt; what does rpm -qa docbook-style-xsl say?<br>
+<br>
+</div>LC_ALL=C rpm -qa docbook-style-xsl<br>
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header SHA1 digest: BAD Expected(c6ed3d6bd8d5eb24a8d846991acbb3a7470ae598) != (a8240d38d9d4fd25e5ed19a367ea386b4f4a4229)<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So, it seems your rpm db is corrupted :( </div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On Wednesday 07 November 2012 10:07, Pascal Terjan wrote:<br>
+&gt; what does rpm -qa docbook-style-xsl say?<br>
+<br>
+</div>LC_ALL=C rpm -qa docbook-style-xsl<br>
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header SHA1 digest: BAD Expected(c6ed3d6bd8d5eb24a8d846991acbb3a7470ae598) != (a8240d38d9d4fd25e5ed19a367ea386b4f4a4229)<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So, it seems your rpm db is corrupted :( </div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121107/50b740c6/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121107/50b740c6/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div>On Wednesday 07 November 2012 09:29, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:<br>
+&gt; I just did. and those packages where the last ones.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Just to be clear, to avoid any misunderstanding.<br>
+I updated some 1570 packages (urpmi --auto-update), and those 6 packages can&#39;t be installed due to the conflict.<br>
+rpm and urpmi where updated in the process.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>what does rpm -qa docbook-style-xsl say?</div><div><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div>On Wednesday 07 November 2012 09:29, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:<br>
+&gt; I just did. and those packages where the last ones.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Just to be clear, to avoid any misunderstanding.<br>
+I updated some 1570 packages (urpmi --auto-update), and those 6 packages can&#39;t be installed due to the conflict.<br>
+rpm and urpmi where updated in the process.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>what does rpm -qa docbook-style-xsl say?</div><div><br></div></div>
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+The are some problems with your rpm and urpmi installation. As you may noticed, the conflicting files are from same packages but higher version.<div><br></div><div>Please upgrade your rpm and urpmi at first.</div><div class="gmail_extra">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/7 Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I just updated my cauldron to the latest packages, but some can&#39;t be installed due to a file conflict.<br>
+=========<br>
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:<br>
+  Package                        Version      Release       Arch<br>
+(medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)<br>
+  docbook-style-xsl              1.77.1       3.mga3        noarch<br>
+  kdebase4-runtime               4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64<br>
+  kdebase4-runtime-handbook      4.9.2        1.mga3        noarch<br>
+  kdelibs4-core                  4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64<br>
+  kdelibs4-handbooks             4.9.2        1.mga3        noarch<br>
+  lib64kdecore5                  4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64<br>
+1MB of additional disk space will be used.<br>
+14MB of packages will be retrieved.<br>
+Proceed with the installation of the 6 packages? (Y/n) y<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+installing docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch.rpm kdelibs4-core-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm kdelibs4-handbooks-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.rpm kdebase4-runtime-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm kdebase4-runtime-handbook-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.rpm lib64kdecore5-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms<br>
+
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD<br>
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD<br>
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD<br>
+Preparing...                     ##########################################################################################################################<br>
+Installation failed:    file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/COPYING from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS.html from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS.xml from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/README from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/VERSION from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+(09:11:57) [root@cauldron ~]#<br>
+=========<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+The are some problems with your rpm and urpmi installation. As you may noticed, the conflicting files are from same packages but higher version.<div><br></div><div>Please upgrade your rpm and urpmi at first.</div><div class="gmail_extra">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/7 Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I just updated my cauldron to the latest packages, but some can&#39;t be installed due to a file conflict.<br>
+=========<br>
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:<br>
+  Package                        Version      Release       Arch<br>
+(medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)<br>
+  docbook-style-xsl              1.77.1       3.mga3        noarch<br>
+  kdebase4-runtime               4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64<br>
+  kdebase4-runtime-handbook      4.9.2        1.mga3        noarch<br>
+  kdelibs4-core                  4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64<br>
+  kdelibs4-handbooks             4.9.2        1.mga3        noarch<br>
+  lib64kdecore5                  4.9.2        1.mga3        x86_64<br>
+1MB of additional disk space will be used.<br>
+14MB of packages will be retrieved.<br>
+Proceed with the installation of the 6 packages? (Y/n) y<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+installing docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch.rpm kdelibs4-core-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm kdelibs4-handbooks-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.rpm kdebase4-runtime-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm kdebase4-runtime-handbook-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.rpm lib64kdecore5-4.9.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms<br>
+
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD<br>
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD<br>
+error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#    1596 Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 80420f66: BAD<br>
+Preparing...                     ##########################################################################################################################<br>
+Installation failed:    file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/COPYING from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS.html from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/NEWS.xml from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/README from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/doc/docbook-style-xsl/VERSION from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+        file /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets from install of docbook-style-xsl-1.77.1-3.mga3.noarch conflicts with file from package docbook-style-xsl-1.76.1-2.mga1.noarch<br>
+(09:11:57) [root@cauldron ~]#<br>
+=========<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Could sysadmin push new rpmlint-mageia-policy to our ifra so that we could deal with new libreoffice and some other ruby packages.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Could sysadmin push new rpmlint-mageia-policy to our ifra so that we could deal with new libreoffice and some other ruby packages.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div>
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+&gt; <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">no way for more official medias!</span><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Ok, i know :) </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">If we define guide lines and small procedure to produce custom live on wiki, we could have some unofficial live to complement live </span><font face="arial, sans-serif">availability.</font></div>
+<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div>it may be possible ?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/8 Jose Jorge <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr" target="_blank">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 08/11/2012 11:24, Armando B. a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all,<br>
+what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+We have just managed to reduce the number of medias : it was to much for our QA team. So, no way for more official medias!<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>
+  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a><br>
+
+</div>
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+&gt; <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">no way for more official medias!</span><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Ok, i know :) </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">If we define guide lines and small procedure to produce custom live on wiki, we could have some unofficial live to complement live </span><font face="arial, sans-serif">availability.</font></div>
+<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div>it may be possible ?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/8 Jose Jorge <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr" target="_blank">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 08/11/2012 11:24, Armando B. a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all,<br>
+what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+We have just managed to reduce the number of medias : it was to much for our QA team. So, no way for more official medias!<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>
+  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a><br>
+
+</div>
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+On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:<br>
+&gt; Dear sirs or madams,<br>
+<br>
+To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal when contacting a law firm.<br>
+I feel that if you&#39;re using «Dear XXX» there should be one or the other. I.e. Either Sir og Madam, but then you need to know the gender of the one responding. and that can be a little tricky. ;-)=<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both. You could have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage is as originally stated. This is an official letter, and therefore should have the official address to the recipient.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Consider using a more generinc term, like «Greetings» or «Good morgning» (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a similar term.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to an official body.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Donald &#39;Schultz&#39; Stewart</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121108/3e1de0a9/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121108/3e1de0a9/attachment.html
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+On 8 November 2012 00:45, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+On Tuesday 06 November 2012 23:39, Shlomi Fish wrote:<br>
+&gt; Dear sirs or madams,<br>
+<br>
+To me, this sounds a little to generic, a little to unformal when contacting a law firm.<br>
+I feel that if you&#39;re using «Dear XXX» there should be one or the other. I.e. Either Sir og Madam, but then you need to know the gender of the one responding. and that can be a little tricky. ;-)=<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>No, this is wrong, you *cannot* use just one, it has to be both. You could have Dear Sir/Madam,  but the correct usage is as originally stated. This is an official letter, and therefore should have the official address to the recipient.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Consider using a more generinc term, like «Greetings» or «Good morgning» (depending on the time of day you send the email.) or a similar term.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is far too colloquial, and unsuitable for a letter to an official body.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Donald &#39;Schultz&#39; Stewart</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div><div class="h5"><br>
+</div></div>Done.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div></div>Thanks Col :)<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div><div class="h5"><br>
+</div></div>Done.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div></div>Thanks Col :)<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
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+Hi all,<div>what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?</div><div><br></div><div>i saw <a href="http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/">http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/</a> theme that could be a good look, or also <a href="http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/maya/xfce.png">http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/maya/xfce.png</a> theme used by Mint 13.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I would like also to have a remaster guide to produce installable live cd / dvd from installed Mageia 3.</div><div><br></div><div>Armando<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>
+  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>
+  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi all,<div>what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?</div><div><br></div><div>i saw <a href="http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/">http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/</a> theme that could be a good look, or also <a href="http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/maya/xfce.png">http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/maya/xfce.png</a> theme used by Mint 13.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I would like also to have a remaster guide to produce installable live cd / dvd from installed Mageia 3.</div><div><br></div><div>Armando<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>
+  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>
+  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>Can please an admin remove from core/updates_testing the following mysql-workbench packages ? I forgot to add the %subrel and incremented the %mkrel instead:</div><div><br></div><div><div>source rpm:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>mysql-workbench-5.2.36-3.mga2.src.rpm</div><div><br></div><div>binary rpms:</div><div><br></div><div>mysql-workbench-5.2.36-3.mga2.x86_64.rpm</div><div>mysql-utilities-1.0.0-0.5.2.36.2.mga2.noarch.rpm</div>
+
+<div>mysql-workbench-debug-5.2.36-3.mga2.x86_64.rpm</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
+</div><div><br></div>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>Can please an admin remove from core/updates_testing the following mysql-workbench packages ? I forgot to add the %subrel and incremented the %mkrel instead:</div><div><br></div><div><div>source rpm:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>mysql-workbench-5.2.36-3.mga2.src.rpm</div><div><br></div><div>binary rpms:</div><div><br></div><div>mysql-workbench-5.2.36-3.mga2.x86_64.rpm</div><div>mysql-utilities-1.0.0-0.5.2.36.2.mga2.noarch.rpm</div>
+
+<div>mysql-workbench-debug-5.2.36-3.mga2.x86_64.rpm</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
+</div><div><br></div>
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+Index: urpm.pm
+===================================================================
+--- urpm.pm	(révision 6367)
++++ urpm.pm	(copie de travail)
+@@ -165,7 +165,9 @@
+     my ($urpm) = @_;
+     $< or return;
+ 
+-    my $dir = ($urpm->{urpmi_root} || '') . userdir_prefix($urpm) . $< . "/lib";
++    my $dir = $urpm->{options}{cachedir} ?
++	$urpm->{options}{cachedir} . "/lib":
++	($urpm->{urpmi_root} || '') . userdir_prefix($urpm) . $< . "/lib";
+     init_dir($urpm, $dir);
+ }
+ 
+@@ -174,7 +176,9 @@
+     my ($urpm) = @_;
+     $< or return;
+ 
+-    my $dir = ($urpm->{urpmi_root} || '') . userdir_prefix($urpm) . $<;
++    my $dir = $urpm->{options}{cachedir} ?
++        $urpm->{options}{cachedir} :
++	($urpm->{urpmi_root} || '') . userdir_prefix($urpm) . $<;
+     init_dir($urpm, $dir);
+ }
+ 
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+Index: urpm.pm
+===================================================================
+--- urpm.pm	(révision 6367)
++++ urpm.pm	(copie de travail)
+@@ -165,7 +165,9 @@
+     my ($urpm) = @_;
+     $< or return;
+ 
+-    my $dir = ($urpm->{urpmi_root} || '') . userdir_prefix($urpm) . $< . "/lib";
++    my $dir = $urpm->{options}{cachedir} ?
++	$urpm->{options}{cachedir} . "/lib":
++	($urpm->{urpmi_root} || '') . userdir_prefix($urpm) . $< . "/lib";
+     init_dir($urpm, $dir);
+ }
+ 
+@@ -174,7 +176,9 @@
+     my ($urpm) = @_;
+     $< or return;
+ 
+-    my $dir = ($urpm->{urpmi_root} || '') . userdir_prefix($urpm) . $<;
++    my $dir = $urpm->{options}{cachedir} ?
++        $urpm->{options}{cachedir} :
++	($urpm->{urpmi_root} || '') . userdir_prefix($urpm) . $<;
+     init_dir($urpm, $dir);
+ }
+ 
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+Hi,<br><br>I am trying to install some software and get the error:<br>&lt;&lt;<br> L&#39;installation a échoué, certains fichiers sont manquants :<br>    rsync://<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+
+Vous devriez mettre à jour votre base de données urpmi.<br><br>Essayer de continuer néanmoins ?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>(basically the rsync failed)<br><br>So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+
+<br>[Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted softwares?]<br><br>That&#39;s all good, but that&#39;s a bad user experience. Most users won&#39;t know how to search, and will just think it is broken.<br>
+
+<br>So my real question is: couldn&#39;t the $MIRRORLIST fallback to other servers than the &quot;closer&quot; instead of failing?<br>I mean, that&#39;s one of the main point of having mirrors. It indeed allows to faster downloads if you take a close one, but it could/should also be used for falling back, hence providing &quot;installation high availability&quot;.<br>
+
+<br>Shouldn&#39;t that be the default behavior?<br>Thanks.<br><br>Jehan<br><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold"></span>
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+Hi,<br><br>I am trying to install some software and get the error:<br>&lt;&lt;<br> L&#39;installation a échoué, certains fichiers sont manquants :<br>    rsync://<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+
+Vous devriez mettre à jour votre base de données urpmi.<br><br>Essayer de continuer néanmoins ?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>(basically the rsync failed)<br><br>So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+
+<br>[Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted softwares?]<br><br>That&#39;s all good, but that&#39;s a bad user experience. Most users won&#39;t know how to search, and will just think it is broken.<br>
+
+<br>So my real question is: couldn&#39;t the $MIRRORLIST fallback to other servers than the &quot;closer&quot; instead of failing?<br>I mean, that&#39;s one of the main point of having mirrors. It indeed allows to faster downloads if you take a close one, but it could/should also be used for falling back, hence providing &quot;installation high availability&quot;.<br>
+
+<br>Shouldn&#39;t that be the default behavior?<br>Thanks.<br><br>Jehan<br><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold"></span>
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+i would like to use draklive but i had some problems to use. does it ( <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive</a> ) works ?<div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/9 scsijon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:scsijon@lamiaworks.com.au" target="_blank">scsijon@lamiaworks.com.au</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 09/11/12 02:01, <a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Send Mageia-dev mailing list submissions to<br>
+        <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<br>
+To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>
+        <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/<u></u>mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+or, via email, send a message with subject or body &#39;help&#39; to<br>
+        <a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a><br>
+<br>
+You can reach the person managing the list at<br>
+        <a href="mailto:mageia-dev-owner@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev-owner@mageia.org</a><br>
+<br>
+When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>
+than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest...&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Today&#39;s Topics:<br>
+<br>
+    1. Re: xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3 (Jose Jorge)<br>
+    2. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Liam R E Quin)<br>
+    3. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Liam R E Quin)<br>
+    4. Fw: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Shlomi Fish)<br>
+    5. 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law        Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Shlomi Fish)<br>
+    6. Re: xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3 (Armando B.)<br>
+    7. faac: decision from the packagers meeting (Guillaume Rousse)<br>
+    8. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Anne Wilson)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<u></u>------------------------------<u></u>----------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 1<br>
+Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:48:06 +0100<br>
+From: Jose Jorge&lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr" target="_blank">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev@<u></u>mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3<br>
+Message-ID:&lt;<a href="mailto:509BAA06.1090004@free.fr" target="_blank">509BAA06.1090004@<u></u>free.fr</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+Le 08/11/2012 11:24, Armando B. a ?crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all,<br>
+what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+We have just managed to reduce the number of medias : it was to much for<br></div>
+our QA team. So, no way for more official medias!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+If someone wants to provide me with a complete packagelist I&#39;ll have a go building an purely Mageia3 ALPHA iso using Puppy&#39;s Woof ISO Builder. However so far it&#39;s been limited to crossbuilds with Mandrake/Mageia1 and Mageia2 but has built with others.<br>
+
+<br>
+Else someone else can build and give me a temporary url to download.<br>
+<br>
+I can easily host the result on my linux website in Australia in either case as a &quot;Side-build&quot; as I have room and bandwith available at present.<br>
+<br>
+regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+scsijon<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>
+  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a><br>
+
+</div>
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+i would like to use draklive but i had some problems to use. does it ( <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive</a> ) works ?<div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/9 scsijon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:scsijon@lamiaworks.com.au" target="_blank">scsijon@lamiaworks.com.au</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 09/11/12 02:01, <a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Send Mageia-dev mailing list submissions to<br>
+        <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+<br>
+To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>
+        <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/<u></u>mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</a><br>
+or, via email, send a message with subject or body &#39;help&#39; to<br>
+        <a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a><br>
+<br>
+You can reach the person managing the list at<br>
+        <a href="mailto:mageia-dev-owner@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev-owner@mageia.org</a><br>
+<br>
+When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>
+than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-dev digest...&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Today&#39;s Topics:<br>
+<br>
+    1. Re: xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3 (Jose Jorge)<br>
+    2. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Liam R E Quin)<br>
+    3. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Liam R E Quin)<br>
+    4. Fw: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Shlomi Fish)<br>
+    5. 2nd Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law        Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Shlomi Fish)<br>
+    6. Re: xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3 (Armando B.)<br>
+    7. faac: decision from the packagers meeting (Guillaume Rousse)<br>
+    8. Re: Draft of a Letter to the Software Freedom Law Center<br>
+       (SFLC). (Anne Wilson)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<u></u>------------------------------<u></u>----------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 1<br>
+Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:48:06 +0100<br>
+From: Jose Jorge&lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr" target="_blank">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia development mailing-list&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev@<u></u>mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] xfce / lxde live cd / dvd for Mageia 3<br>
+Message-ID:&lt;<a href="mailto:509BAA06.1090004@free.fr" target="_blank">509BAA06.1090004@<u></u>free.fr</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+Le 08/11/2012 11:24, Armando B. a ?crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all,<br>
+what do we think about release also xfce / lxde live cd for Mageia 3 ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+We have just managed to reduce the number of medias : it was to much for<br></div>
+our QA team. So, no way for more official medias!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+If someone wants to provide me with a complete packagelist I&#39;ll have a go building an purely Mageia3 ALPHA iso using Puppy&#39;s Woof ISO Builder. However so far it&#39;s been limited to crossbuilds with Mandrake/Mageia1 and Mageia2 but has built with others.<br>
+
+<br>
+Else someone else can build and give me a temporary url to download.<br>
+<br>
+I can easily host the result on my linux website in Australia in either case as a &quot;Side-build&quot; as I have room and bandwith available at present.<br>
+<br>
+regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+scsijon<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>
+  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a><br>
+
+</div>
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+<div><br></div><div>Regards.</div>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>I noticed that there are two rpm group named &#39;<span style="background-color:rgb(249,249,249);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.200000762939453px">Geography</span>&#39; and &#39;<span style="background-color:rgb(249,249,249);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.200000762939453px">Sciences/Geosciences</span>&#39;. Are there any differences?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Regards.</div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Christian Lohmaier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lohmaier+mageia@googlemail.com" target="_blank">lohmaier+mageia@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi *,<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the &quot;configure<br>
+&gt; media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the<br>
+&gt; $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; So my real question is: couldn&#39;t the $MIRRORLIST fallback to other servers<br>
+&gt; than the &quot;closer&quot; instead of failing?<br>
+<br>
+</div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166</a><br>
+<br>
+would solve all that....<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Cool. :-)<br><br>Jehan<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+ciao<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Christian<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Christian Lohmaier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lohmaier+mageia@googlemail.com" target="_blank">lohmaier+mageia@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi *,<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the &quot;configure<br>
+&gt; media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the<br>
+&gt; $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; So my real question is: couldn&#39;t the $MIRRORLIST fallback to other servers<br>
+&gt; than the &quot;closer&quot; instead of failing?<br>
+<br>
+</div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3166</a><br>
+<br>
+would solve all that....<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Cool. :-)<br><br>Jehan<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+ciao<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Christian<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/10 Remco Rijnders <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com" target="_blank">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 05:58:57AM +0100, Mageia wrote in &lt;<a href="mailto:z4.MQf@r78.nl" target="_blank">z4.MQf@r78.nl</a>&gt;:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+Got this one just now:<br>
+<br>
+The following package has bad signature:<br>
+/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/klines-<u></u>handbook-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.<u></u>rpm: Missing signature (OK ((none)))<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Also on kmahjongg-handbook-4.9.2-1.<u></u>mga3.noarch.rpm<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>A rebuild should fixed it eventually (if it the bug does not happen on the same package), or eventually a sysadmin can manually fix it.</div><div class="gmail_extra">Anyway maybe it can wait a little bit for the release of the next alpha (&amp; the push of 4.9.3 which is waiting on svn)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div>Regards,</div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/10 Remco Rijnders <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com" target="_blank">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 05:58:57AM +0100, Mageia wrote in &lt;<a href="mailto:z4.MQf@r78.nl" target="_blank">z4.MQf@r78.nl</a>&gt;:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+Got this one just now:<br>
+<br>
+The following package has bad signature:<br>
+/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/klines-<u></u>handbook-4.9.2-1.mga3.noarch.<u></u>rpm: Missing signature (OK ((none)))<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Also on kmahjongg-handbook-4.9.2-1.<u></u>mga3.noarch.rpm<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>A rebuild should fixed it eventually (if it the bug does not happen on the same package), or eventually a sysadmin can manually fix it.</div><div class="gmail_extra">Anyway maybe it can wait a little bit for the release of the next alpha (&amp; the push of 4.9.3 which is waiting on svn)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div>Regards,</div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+Name:      ibus
+Summary:   A next generation input framework
+Version:   1.4.99.20121109
+Release:   %mkrel 1
+Group:     System/Internationalization
+License:   GPLv2+
+URL:       http://code.google.com/p/ibus/
+Source0:   http://ibus.googlecode.com/files/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Source1:   ibus.macros
+# Workaround to disable preedit on gnome-shell until bug 658420 is fixed.
+# https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658420
+Patch92:    ibus-xx-g-s-disable-preedit.patch
+# Workaround since f18 vala is old.
+# (blino) rediffed from ibus-xx-f18-build.patch
+Patch95:    ibus-xx-vala-0.17.patch
+# Mageia/Mandriva patches
+Patch100:    ibus-1.3.6-mdv-customize.patch
+BuildRequires:	python-devel
+BuildRequires:  gtk2-devel
+BuildRequires:	gtk+3-devel
+BuildRequires:  dbus-glib-devel
+BuildRequires:	python-dbus >= 0.83.0
+BuildRequires:	iso-codes
+BuildRequires:  gettext-devel intltool gtk-doc
+BuildRequires:	python-gobject-devel >= 2.15
+BuildRequires:	gobject-introspection-devel
+BuildRequires:	kde4-macros
+BuildRequires:	dconf-devel
+BuildRequires:	vala
+BuildRequires:	vala-tools
+BuildRequires:	GConf2 dconf
+Requires:	%{name}-ui
+Requires:	python-gobject >= 2.15
+Requires:	python-dbus >= 0.83.0
+Requires:	python-notify
+Requires:	pyxdg
+Requires:	iso-codes
+Requires:	librsvg
+
+%description
+IBus is a next generation input framework.
+
+%define api 1.0
+%define major 5
+%define libname %mklibname %name %api %major
+
+%package -n %libname
+Summary:    Shared libraries for %{name}
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+
+%description -n %libname
+IBus shared libraries.
+
+%define girname %mklibname ibus-gir %api
+
+%package -n %girname
+Summary:    GObject introspection interface library for ibus
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+Requires:   %{libname} = %{version}
+Conflicts:  %{_lib}ibus2
+Conflicts:  %{_lib}ibus1.0_0 < 1.4.0-2
+
+%description -n %girname
+GObject introspection interface library for ibus.
+
+%package    devel
+Summary:    Headers of %{name} for development
+Group:      Development/C
+Requires:   %{libname} = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description devel
+IBus development package: static libraries, header files, and the like.
+
+%package    ui-gtk3
+Summary:    GTK+ 3.0 UI for IBus
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+Provides:   ibus-ui
+Requires:   %{name} = %{version}
+Suggests:   %{name}-gtk3 = %version
+Conflicts:  ibus < 1.4.99.20121006-2
+
+%description ui-gtk3
+GTK+ 3.0 UI for IBus.
+
+%package    gtk
+Summary:    IBus gtk module
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+Requires:   ibus = %{version}
+Requires(post): gtk+2.0
+Requires(postun): gtk+2.0
+
+%description gtk
+IBus gtk module.
+
+%post gtk
+%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.%_lib
+
+%postun gtk
+%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.%_lib
+
+%package    gtk3
+Summary:    IBus gtk3 module
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+Requires:   ibus = %{version}
+Requires(post): gtk+3.0
+Requires(postun): gtk+3.0
+
+%description gtk3
+IBus gtk module.
+
+%post gtk3
+%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits} --update-cache
+
+%postun gtk3
+%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits} --update-cache
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}
+%patch92 -p1 -b .g-s-preedit
+%patch95 -p1 -b .f18
+%patch100 -p0
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+	--enable-gtk3 \
+	--enable-dconf \
+	--disable-gconf \
+	--enable-python-library \
+	--disable-dbus-python-check
+%make PKG_CONFIG_PATH=`pwd`:%{_libdir}/pkgconfig:%{_datadir}/pkgconfig
+
+%install
+rm -rf %buildroot
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# install .desktop files
+echo "NoDisplay=true" >> %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/ibus.desktop
+echo "NoDisplay=true" >> %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/ibus-setup.desktop
+
+# install rpm macro
+mkdir -p %buildroot%{_sysconfdir}/rpm/macros.d/
+
+install -m0644 %{SOURCE1} %buildroot%{_sysconfdir}/rpm/macros.d/%name.macros
+
+# install ui automatic selector wrapper
+mv %buildroot%_bindir/%name-daemon %buildroot%_bindir/%name-daemon-real
+cat >%buildroot%_bindir/%name-daemon <<EOF
+#!/bin/bash
+if [ "\$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -a -x %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel ]
+then
+    exec %{_bindir}/ibus-daemon-real --panel=%_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel "\$@" 
+else
+    exec %{_bindir}/ibus-daemon-real "\$@"
+fi
+EOF
+chmod 0755 %buildroot%_bindir/%name-daemon
+
+find %buildroot -name '*.la' | xargs rm
+rm -f %buildroot%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart/ibus.desktop
+
+%find_lang %{name}10
+
+%files -f %{name}10.lang
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog NEWS README
+%{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/ibus.bash
+%{_sysconfdir}/dconf/db/ibus.d/00-upstream-settings
+%{_sysconfdir}/dconf/profile/ibus
+%{_bindir}/*
+%{_libexecdir}/ibus-dconf
+%{_libexecdir}/ibus-engine-simple
+%{_libexecdir}/ibus-x11
+%{_datadir}/applications/*.desktop
+%{_datadir}/ibus/*
+%{_datadir}/GConf/gsettings/ibus.convert
+%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/org.freedesktop.ibus.gschema.xml
+%{_iconsdir}/*/*/*/*
+%{python_sitelib}/*
+%exclude %{_datadir}/ibus/component/gtkpanel.xml
+
+%files ui-gtk3
+%{_libexecdir}/ibus-ui-gtk3
+%{_datadir}/ibus/component/gtkpanel.xml
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/libibus-%{api}.so.%{major}
+%{_libdir}/libibus-%{api}.so.%{major}.*
+
+%files -n %{girname}
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/girepository-1.0/*.typelib
+
+%files gtk
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/gtk-2.0/*/immodules/*.so
+
+%files gtk3
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/gtk-3.0/*/immodules/*.so
+
+%files devel
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_includedir}/ibus-1.0
+%{_libdir}/*.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*.pc
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/ibus
+%{_datadir}/gir-1.0/*.gir
+%{_datadir}/vala/vapi/*.vapi
+%{_datadir}/vala/vapi/*.deps
+%{_sysconfdir}/rpm/macros.d/%name.macros
+
+
+%changelog
+
+* Fri Nov 10 2012 lanbo <lanbo> 1.4.99.20121109-1.mga3
+- new version 1.4.99.20121109
+
+* Tue Oct 16 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-5.mga3
++ Revision: 306898
+- disable macro for now to wait updates on gsettings syntax
+
+* Mon Oct 15 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-4.mga3
++ Revision: 306008
+- turn the macro into glib settings
+
+* Mon Oct 15 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-3.mga3
++ Revision: 305987
+- move suggest into gtk3 panel
+- add requires on main pkg
+
+* Mon Oct 15 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-2.mga3
++ Revision: 305982
+- move out xml description too
+- split out gtk3 ui
+
+* Sun Oct 07 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-1.mga3
++ Revision: 303129
+- new version 1.4.99.20121006
+
+* Wed Sep 19 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20120917-2.mga3
++ Revision: 296118
+- python-gtk2 is not required
+
+* Wed Sep 19 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20120917-1.mga3
++ Revision: 296113
+- add more br
+- br GConf2 for  gsettings-schema-convert
+- new version 1.4.99.20120917
+- new version 1.4.99.20120914
+- new version 1.4.99.20120822
+
+  + blino <blino>
+    - switch to dconf (over gconf2)
+    - package ibus-engine-simple and bash completion
+    - gtk ui is now named ibus-ui-gtk3
+    - major is now 5
+    - explicitely enable python lib
+    - buildrequire vala + tools
+    - 1.4.99.20120712 (1.5 pre)
+    - sync some patches from Fedora (Takao Fujiwara)
+
+* Sun Feb 26 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.1-1.mga2
++ Revision: 215103
+- update pkgconfig path
+- new version 1.4.1
+
+* Mon Jan 16 2012 blino <blino> 1.4.0-5.mga2
++ Revision: 196663
+- run daemon through exec in the wrapper, to avoid useless shell fork
+- fix detecting desktop and passing arguments and ibus-daemon wrapper
+
+* Wed Jan 11 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.0-4.mga2
++ Revision: 194963
+- foce  to use panel wrapper
+
+* Sat Oct 01 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.4.0-3.mga2
++ Revision: 150653
+- fix version tag
+
+* Sun Sep 25 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.4.0-2.mga2
++ Revision: 147665
+- split out gir files
+
+* Sat Sep 24 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.4.0-1.mga2
++ Revision: 147461
+- update file list
+- update lan list
+- update file list
+- new version 1.4.0
+
+* Fri Jul 01 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.3.9-4.mga2
++ Revision: 117185
+- add wrapper for ibus-ui-kde
+
+  + dmorgan <dmorgan>
+    - Simplify %%post and %%postun
+
+* Wed Jun 15 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.3.9-3.mga2
++ Revision: 106393
+- add gtk3 immodule
+- add engine registration help macro
+
+* Thu Mar 24 2011 boklm <boklm> 1.3.9-2.mga1
++ Revision: 76155
+- rebuild for bug #497
+
+* Sat Mar 12 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.3.9-1.mga1
++ Revision: 68593
+- buildroot not required
+- imported package ibus
+
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+Name:      ibus
+Summary:   A next generation input framework
+Version:   1.4.99.20121109
+Release:   %mkrel 1
+Group:     System/Internationalization
+License:   GPLv2+
+URL:       http://code.google.com/p/ibus/
+Source0:   http://ibus.googlecode.com/files/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+Source1:   ibus.macros
+# Workaround to disable preedit on gnome-shell until bug 658420 is fixed.
+# https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658420
+Patch92:    ibus-xx-g-s-disable-preedit.patch
+# Workaround since f18 vala is old.
+# (blino) rediffed from ibus-xx-f18-build.patch
+Patch95:    ibus-xx-vala-0.17.patch
+# Mageia/Mandriva patches
+Patch100:    ibus-1.3.6-mdv-customize.patch
+BuildRequires:	python-devel
+BuildRequires:  gtk2-devel
+BuildRequires:	gtk+3-devel
+BuildRequires:  dbus-glib-devel
+BuildRequires:	python-dbus >= 0.83.0
+BuildRequires:	iso-codes
+BuildRequires:  gettext-devel intltool gtk-doc
+BuildRequires:	python-gobject-devel >= 2.15
+BuildRequires:	gobject-introspection-devel
+BuildRequires:	kde4-macros
+BuildRequires:	dconf-devel
+BuildRequires:	vala
+BuildRequires:	vala-tools
+BuildRequires:	GConf2 dconf
+Requires:	%{name}-ui
+Requires:	python-gobject >= 2.15
+Requires:	python-dbus >= 0.83.0
+Requires:	python-notify
+Requires:	pyxdg
+Requires:	iso-codes
+Requires:	librsvg
+
+%description
+IBus is a next generation input framework.
+
+%define api 1.0
+%define major 5
+%define libname %mklibname %name %api %major
+
+%package -n %libname
+Summary:    Shared libraries for %{name}
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+
+%description -n %libname
+IBus shared libraries.
+
+%define girname %mklibname ibus-gir %api
+
+%package -n %girname
+Summary:    GObject introspection interface library for ibus
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+Requires:   %{libname} = %{version}
+Conflicts:  %{_lib}ibus2
+Conflicts:  %{_lib}ibus1.0_0 < 1.4.0-2
+
+%description -n %girname
+GObject introspection interface library for ibus.
+
+%package    devel
+Summary:    Headers of %{name} for development
+Group:      Development/C
+Requires:   %{libname} = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description devel
+IBus development package: static libraries, header files, and the like.
+
+%package    ui-gtk3
+Summary:    GTK+ 3.0 UI for IBus
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+Provides:   ibus-ui
+Requires:   %{name} = %{version}
+Suggests:   %{name}-gtk3 = %version
+Conflicts:  ibus < 1.4.99.20121006-2
+
+%description ui-gtk3
+GTK+ 3.0 UI for IBus.
+
+%package    gtk
+Summary:    IBus gtk module
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+Requires:   ibus = %{version}
+Requires(post): gtk+2.0
+Requires(postun): gtk+2.0
+
+%description gtk
+IBus gtk module.
+
+%post gtk
+%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.%_lib
+
+%postun gtk
+%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > %{_sysconfdir}/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.%_lib
+
+%package    gtk3
+Summary:    IBus gtk3 module
+Group:      System/Internationalization
+Requires:   ibus = %{version}
+Requires(post): gtk+3.0
+Requires(postun): gtk+3.0
+
+%description gtk3
+IBus gtk module.
+
+%post gtk3
+%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits} --update-cache
+
+%postun gtk3
+%{_bindir}/gtk-query-immodules-3.0-%{__isa_bits} --update-cache
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}
+%patch92 -p1 -b .g-s-preedit
+%patch95 -p1 -b .f18
+%patch100 -p0
+
+%build
+%configure2_5x \
+	--enable-gtk3 \
+	--enable-dconf \
+	--disable-gconf \
+	--enable-python-library \
+	--disable-dbus-python-check
+%make PKG_CONFIG_PATH=`pwd`:%{_libdir}/pkgconfig:%{_datadir}/pkgconfig
+
+%install
+rm -rf %buildroot
+%makeinstall_std
+
+# install .desktop files
+echo "NoDisplay=true" >> %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/ibus.desktop
+echo "NoDisplay=true" >> %buildroot%{_datadir}/applications/ibus-setup.desktop
+
+# install rpm macro
+mkdir -p %buildroot%{_sysconfdir}/rpm/macros.d/
+
+install -m0644 %{SOURCE1} %buildroot%{_sysconfdir}/rpm/macros.d/%name.macros
+
+# install ui automatic selector wrapper
+mv %buildroot%_bindir/%name-daemon %buildroot%_bindir/%name-daemon-real
+cat >%buildroot%_bindir/%name-daemon <<EOF
+#!/bin/bash
+if [ "\$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -a -x %_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel ]
+then
+    exec %{_bindir}/ibus-daemon-real --panel=%_kde_libdir/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel "\$@" 
+else
+    exec %{_bindir}/ibus-daemon-real "\$@"
+fi
+EOF
+chmod 0755 %buildroot%_bindir/%name-daemon
+
+find %buildroot -name '*.la' | xargs rm
+rm -f %buildroot%{_sysconfdir}/xdg/autostart/ibus.desktop
+
+%find_lang %{name}10
+
+%files -f %{name}10.lang
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog NEWS README
+%{_sysconfdir}/bash_completion.d/ibus.bash
+%{_sysconfdir}/dconf/db/ibus.d/00-upstream-settings
+%{_sysconfdir}/dconf/profile/ibus
+%{_bindir}/*
+%{_libexecdir}/ibus-dconf
+%{_libexecdir}/ibus-engine-simple
+%{_libexecdir}/ibus-x11
+%{_datadir}/applications/*.desktop
+%{_datadir}/ibus/*
+%{_datadir}/GConf/gsettings/ibus.convert
+%{_datadir}/glib-2.0/schemas/org.freedesktop.ibus.gschema.xml
+%{_iconsdir}/*/*/*/*
+%{python_sitelib}/*
+%exclude %{_datadir}/ibus/component/gtkpanel.xml
+
+%files ui-gtk3
+%{_libexecdir}/ibus-ui-gtk3
+%{_datadir}/ibus/component/gtkpanel.xml
+
+%files -n %{libname}
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/libibus-%{api}.so.%{major}
+%{_libdir}/libibus-%{api}.so.%{major}.*
+
+%files -n %{girname}
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/girepository-1.0/*.typelib
+
+%files gtk
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/gtk-2.0/*/immodules/*.so
+
+%files gtk3
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_libdir}/gtk-3.0/*/immodules/*.so
+
+%files devel
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+%{_includedir}/ibus-1.0
+%{_libdir}/*.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/*.pc
+%{_datadir}/gtk-doc/html/ibus
+%{_datadir}/gir-1.0/*.gir
+%{_datadir}/vala/vapi/*.vapi
+%{_datadir}/vala/vapi/*.deps
+%{_sysconfdir}/rpm/macros.d/%name.macros
+
+
+%changelog
+
+* Fri Nov 10 2012 lanbo <lanbo> 1.4.99.20121109-1.mga3
+- new version 1.4.99.20121109
+
+* Tue Oct 16 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-5.mga3
++ Revision: 306898
+- disable macro for now to wait updates on gsettings syntax
+
+* Mon Oct 15 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-4.mga3
++ Revision: 306008
+- turn the macro into glib settings
+
+* Mon Oct 15 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-3.mga3
++ Revision: 305987
+- move suggest into gtk3 panel
+- add requires on main pkg
+
+* Mon Oct 15 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-2.mga3
++ Revision: 305982
+- move out xml description too
+- split out gtk3 ui
+
+* Sun Oct 07 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20121006-1.mga3
++ Revision: 303129
+- new version 1.4.99.20121006
+
+* Wed Sep 19 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20120917-2.mga3
++ Revision: 296118
+- python-gtk2 is not required
+
+* Wed Sep 19 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.99.20120917-1.mga3
++ Revision: 296113
+- add more br
+- br GConf2 for  gsettings-schema-convert
+- new version 1.4.99.20120917
+- new version 1.4.99.20120914
+- new version 1.4.99.20120822
+
+  + blino <blino>
+    - switch to dconf (over gconf2)
+    - package ibus-engine-simple and bash completion
+    - gtk ui is now named ibus-ui-gtk3
+    - major is now 5
+    - explicitely enable python lib
+    - buildrequire vala + tools
+    - 1.4.99.20120712 (1.5 pre)
+    - sync some patches from Fedora (Takao Fujiwara)
+
+* Sun Feb 26 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.1-1.mga2
++ Revision: 215103
+- update pkgconfig path
+- new version 1.4.1
+
+* Mon Jan 16 2012 blino <blino> 1.4.0-5.mga2
++ Revision: 196663
+- run daemon through exec in the wrapper, to avoid useless shell fork
+- fix detecting desktop and passing arguments and ibus-daemon wrapper
+
+* Wed Jan 11 2012 fwang <fwang> 1.4.0-4.mga2
++ Revision: 194963
+- foce  to use panel wrapper
+
+* Sat Oct 01 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.4.0-3.mga2
++ Revision: 150653
+- fix version tag
+
+* Sun Sep 25 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.4.0-2.mga2
++ Revision: 147665
+- split out gir files
+
+* Sat Sep 24 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.4.0-1.mga2
++ Revision: 147461
+- update file list
+- update lan list
+- update file list
+- new version 1.4.0
+
+* Fri Jul 01 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.3.9-4.mga2
++ Revision: 117185
+- add wrapper for ibus-ui-kde
+
+  + dmorgan <dmorgan>
+    - Simplify %%post and %%postun
+
+* Wed Jun 15 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.3.9-3.mga2
++ Revision: 106393
+- add gtk3 immodule
+- add engine registration help macro
+
+* Thu Mar 24 2011 boklm <boklm> 1.3.9-2.mga1
++ Revision: 76155
+- rebuild for bug #497
+
+* Sat Mar 12 2011 fwang <fwang> 1.3.9-1.mga1
++ Revision: 68593
+- buildroot not required
+- imported package ibus
+
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hi All,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the domain name mageialinux.com &amp; mageia.co.in<br /> 
+<br /> 
+This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My intension is to avoid this domain expiry &amp; some domain troll getting the hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Currently this domain is hosted in name.com &amp; bigrock.in respectively, so I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account. Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Thanks for reading.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'>Regards,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Raghu</font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hi All,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the domain name mageialinux.com &amp; mageia.co.in<br /> 
+<br /> 
+This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My intension is to avoid this domain expiry &amp; some domain troll getting the hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Currently this domain is hosted in name.com &amp; bigrock.in respectively, so I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account. Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Thanks for reading.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'>Regards,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Raghu</font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span></span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hi,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+This is fine with me. Please follow the following steps.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+1. domain: mageialinux.com :&nbsp;Register name.com account &amp; let me know the account code.<br /> 
+2. domain: mageia.co.in : Register a bigrock.in account &amp; let me know the account code &amp; registered email &nbsp;address.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Both transfers take couple of seconds once initiated &amp; completely free. Once you have it in your account, you are free to transfer them to network solutions/other registers of your choice.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'>Regards,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Raghu</font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Richard Couture</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 11/10/12 09:52 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+I would be happy to maintain the domain for the community if they are 
+interested in using it and pointing it to where-ever. 
+
+If there is lack of interes, I could use the name to point to my 
+mageia-distribution mirror in Zurich. 
+
+I is network solutions for all of my domains and my account there is 
+20309630 under the name Richard Couture. 
+
+If this is acceptable, let me know and I will set up the proper 
+resolutions to comply with the RFC pending decisions as to where the 
+domain should point to and arrange for the transfer of funds. 
+
+
+
+
+
+Richard 
+
+On 11/10/2012 02:55 AM, Raghu Nayak wrote: 
+&gt; Hi All, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the 
+&gt; domain name mageialinux.com &amp; mageia.co.in 
+&gt; 
+&gt; This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone 
+&gt; here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My 
+&gt; intension is to avoid this domain expiry &amp; some domain troll getting the 
+&gt; hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be 
+&gt; available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Currently this domain is hosted in name.com &amp; bigrock.in respectively, 
+&gt; so I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account. 
+&gt; Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Thanks for reading. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Regards, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Raghu 
+
+-- 
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+</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Hi,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+This is fine with me. Please follow the following steps.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+1. domain: mageialinux.com :&nbsp;Register name.com account &amp; let me know the account code.<br /> 
+2. domain: mageia.co.in : Register a bigrock.in account &amp; let me know the account code &amp; registered email &nbsp;address.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Both transfers take couple of seconds once initiated &amp; completely free. Once you have it in your account, you are free to transfer them to network solutions/other registers of your choice.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'>Regards,<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Raghu</font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span><br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Richard Couture</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 11/10/12 09:52 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Mageia development mailing-list</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+I would be happy to maintain the domain for the community if they are 
+interested in using it and pointing it to where-ever. 
+
+If there is lack of interes, I could use the name to point to my 
+mageia-distribution mirror in Zurich. 
+
+I is network solutions for all of my domains and my account there is 
+20309630 under the name Richard Couture. 
+
+If this is acceptable, let me know and I will set up the proper 
+resolutions to comply with the RFC pending decisions as to where the 
+domain should point to and arrange for the transfer of funds. 
+
+
+
+
+
+Richard 
+
+On 11/10/2012 02:55 AM, Raghu Nayak wrote: 
+&gt; Hi All, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the 
+&gt; domain name mageialinux.com &amp; mageia.co.in 
+&gt; 
+&gt; This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone 
+&gt; here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My 
+&gt; intension is to avoid this domain expiry &amp; some domain troll getting the 
+&gt; hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be 
+&gt; available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Currently this domain is hosted in name.com &amp; bigrock.in respectively, 
+&gt; so I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account. 
+&gt; Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Thanks for reading. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Regards, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Raghu 
+
+-- 
+LinuxCabal Asociación Civil 
+Ing. Richard Couture 
+Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE 
+HP/Compaq ASE 
+Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 
+Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 
+Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 
+Web: http://www.LinuxCabal.org 
+E-Mail: rrc@linuxcabal.org 
+Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com 
+
+AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su 
+caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de 
+carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única 
+y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La 
+copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información 
+confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está 
+prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente 
+correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo 
+y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como 
+cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo 
+usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de 
+sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá 
+derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause.</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Completed the transfer. Along with this domain, I have also transferred free private whois until 2019.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Good Luck!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'>Regards,</font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span><br /> 
+<br /> 
+Raghu<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Richard Couture</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 11/11/12 05:09 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Raghu Nayak</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Here is my account code at names.com 
+
+	Account Code: 90xxx-bxxxx3 
+
+
+
+
+
+Richard 
+
+On 11/10/2012 11:21 PM, Raghu Nayak wrote: 
+&gt; Hi, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Provide me the account code, it is displayed on top right corner once 
+&gt; you login. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; example: 14212-c88386x 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Regards, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Raghu 
+&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; ----- Original Message ----- 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; From: Richard Couture 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; Sent: 11/11/12 07:07 AM 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; To: Raghu Nayak 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; OK, I have registered at name.com as   gdlwyverex 
+&gt;&gt; in order to facilitate the transfer of the mageialinux.com domain. 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; I am not interested in the mageia.co.in domain, therefore I have not 
+&gt;&gt; registered with bigrock. 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; Thanks 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; Richard 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; On 11/10/2012 01:42 PM, Raghu Nayak wrote: 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Hi, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  This is fine with me. Please follow the following steps. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  1. domain: mageialinux.com : Register name.com account&amp;  let me know the 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  account code. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  2. domain: mageia.co.in : Register a bigrock.in account&amp;  let me know 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  the account code&amp;  registered email address. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Both transfers take couple of seconds once initiated&amp;  completely free. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Once you have it in your account, you are free to transfer them to 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  network solutions/other registers of your choice. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Regards, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Raghu 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  ----- Original Message ----- 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  From: Richard Couture 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Sent: 11/10/12 09:52 PM 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  To: Mageia development mailing-list 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  I would be happy to maintain the domain for the community if they are 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  interested in using it and pointing it to where-ever. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  If there is lack of interes, I could use the name to point to my 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  mageia-distribution mirror in Zurich. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  I is network solutions for all of my domains and my account there is 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  20309630 under the name Richard Couture. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  If this is acceptable, let me know and I will set up the proper 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  resolutions to comply with the RFC pending decisions as to where the 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  domain should point to and arrange for the transfer of funds. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Richard 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  On 11/10/2012 02:55 AM, Raghu Nayak wrote: 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Hi All, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   domain name mageialinux.com&amp;   mageia.co.in 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   intension is to avoid this domain expiry&amp;   some domain troll getting the 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Currently this domain is hosted in name.com&amp;   bigrock.in respectively, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   so I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Thanks for reading. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Regards, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Raghu 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  -- 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  LinuxCabal Asociación Civil 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Ing. Richard Couture 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  HP/Compaq ASE 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Web: http://www.LinuxCabal.org 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  E-Mail: rrc@linuxcabal.org 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; -- 
+&gt;&gt; LinuxCabal Asociación Civil 
+&gt;&gt; Ing. Richard Couture 
+&gt;&gt; Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE 
+&gt;&gt; HP/Compaq ASE 
+&gt;&gt; Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 
+&gt;&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 
+&gt;&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 
+&gt;&gt; Web: http://www.LinuxCabal.org 
+&gt;&gt; E-Mail: rrc@linuxcabal.org 
+&gt;&gt; Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su 
+&gt;&gt; caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de 
+&gt;&gt; carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única 
+&gt;&gt; y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La 
+&gt;&gt; copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información 
+&gt;&gt; confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está 
+&gt;&gt; prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente 
+&gt;&gt; correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo 
+&gt;&gt; y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como 
+&gt;&gt; cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo 
+&gt;&gt; usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de 
+&gt;&gt; sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá 
+&gt;&gt; derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause. 
+&gt; 
+
+-- 
+LinuxCabal Asociación Civil 
+Ing. Richard Couture 
+Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE 
+HP/Compaq ASE 
+Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 
+Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 
+Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 
+Web: http://www.LinuxCabal.org 
+E-Mail: rrc@linuxcabal.org 
+Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com 
+
+AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su 
+caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de 
+carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única 
+y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La 
+copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información 
+confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está 
+prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente 
+correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo 
+y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como 
+cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo 
+usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de 
+sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá 
+derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause.</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+</span></span>
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+<span style='font-family:Verdana'><span style='font-size:12px'>Completed the transfer. Along with this domain, I have also transferred free private whois until 2019.<br /> 
+<br /> 
+Good Luck!<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<span id="editor_signature"><span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:12px"><font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'>Regards,</font&nbsp;color='black'&nbsp;size='2'&nbsp;face='arial'></span></span><br /> 
+<br /> 
+Raghu<br /> 
+<br /> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #CCC; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;" type="cite"> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">----- Original Message -----</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">From: Richard Couture</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Sent: 11/11/12 05:09 PM</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">To: Raghu Nayak</span></span></p> 
+	<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+		<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:12px">Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name</span></span></p> 
+	<br /> 
+	<div> 
+		<div> 
+			<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word; font-size:11;pre"> 
+Here is my account code at names.com 
+
+	Account Code: 90xxx-bxxxx3 
+
+
+
+
+
+Richard 
+
+On 11/10/2012 11:21 PM, Raghu Nayak wrote: 
+&gt; Hi, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Provide me the account code, it is displayed on top right corner once 
+&gt; you login. 
+&gt; 
+&gt; example: 14212-c88386x 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Regards, 
+&gt; 
+&gt; Raghu 
+&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; ----- Original Message ----- 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; From: Richard Couture 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; Sent: 11/11/12 07:07 AM 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; To: Raghu Nayak 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; OK, I have registered at name.com as   gdlwyverex 
+&gt;&gt; in order to facilitate the transfer of the mageialinux.com domain. 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; I am not interested in the mageia.co.in domain, therefore I have not 
+&gt;&gt; registered with bigrock. 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; Thanks 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; Richard 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; On 11/10/2012 01:42 PM, Raghu Nayak wrote: 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Hi, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  This is fine with me. Please follow the following steps. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  1. domain: mageialinux.com : Register name.com account&amp;  let me know the 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  account code. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  2. domain: mageia.co.in : Register a bigrock.in account&amp;  let me know 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  the account code&amp;  registered email address. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Both transfers take couple of seconds once initiated&amp;  completely free. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Once you have it in your account, you are free to transfer them to 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  network solutions/other registers of your choice. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Regards, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;  Raghu 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  ----- Original Message ----- 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  From: Richard Couture 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Sent: 11/10/12 09:52 PM 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  To: Mageia development mailing-list 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageialinux.com domain name 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  I would be happy to maintain the domain for the community if they are 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  interested in using it and pointing it to where-ever. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  If there is lack of interes, I could use the name to point to my 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  mageia-distribution mirror in Zurich. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  I is network solutions for all of my domains and my account there is 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  20309630 under the name Richard Couture. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  If this is acceptable, let me know and I will set up the proper 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  resolutions to comply with the RFC pending decisions as to where the 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  domain should point to and arrange for the transfer of funds. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Richard 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  On 11/10/2012 02:55 AM, Raghu Nayak wrote: 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Hi All, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   I sorry if I am posting this to wrong mailing list. Currently I own the 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   domain name mageialinux.com&amp;   mageia.co.in 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   This domain name will be expiring on 27/11/2012, 20/11/2012. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   As I can not afford to renew this domain anymore, I am allowing anyone 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   here to transfer this domain name to their account (if they wish). My 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   intension is to avoid this domain expiry&amp;   some domain troll getting the 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   hands on these domains. If no one transfers these domain, they will be 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   available for anyone to register after their deletion from registry. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Currently this domain is hosted in name.com&amp;   bigrock.in respectively, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   so I can transfer this domain to anyone who has a corresponding account. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Transfer to other registers also possible, but will take more time. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Thanks for reading. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Regards, 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  &gt;   Raghu 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  -- 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  LinuxCabal Asociación Civil 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Ing. Richard Couture 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  HP/Compaq ASE 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Web: http://www.LinuxCabal.org 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  E-Mail: rrc@linuxcabal.org 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá 
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;  derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause. 
+&gt;&gt; &gt; 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; -- 
+&gt;&gt; LinuxCabal Asociación Civil 
+&gt;&gt; Ing. Richard Couture 
+&gt;&gt; Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE 
+&gt;&gt; HP/Compaq ASE 
+&gt;&gt; Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 
+&gt;&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 
+&gt;&gt; Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 
+&gt;&gt; Web: http://www.LinuxCabal.org 
+&gt;&gt; E-Mail: rrc@linuxcabal.org 
+&gt;&gt; Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com 
+&gt;&gt; 
+&gt;&gt; AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su 
+&gt;&gt; caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de 
+&gt;&gt; carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única 
+&gt;&gt; y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La 
+&gt;&gt; copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información 
+&gt;&gt; confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está 
+&gt;&gt; prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente 
+&gt;&gt; correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo 
+&gt;&gt; y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como 
+&gt;&gt; cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo 
+&gt;&gt; usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de 
+&gt;&gt; sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá 
+&gt;&gt; derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause. 
+&gt; 
+
+-- 
+LinuxCabal Asociación Civil 
+Ing. Richard Couture 
+Novell CNE, ECNE, MCNE 
+HP/Compaq ASE 
+Tel.: (+52) (333) 145-2638 
+Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7505 
+Cel.: (+52) (044) 333 377-7506 
+Web: http://www.LinuxCabal.org 
+E-Mail: rrc@linuxcabal.org 
+Hosted en la nube Cloud Sigma - www.CloudSigma.com 
+
+AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este correo electrónico, incluyendo en su 
+caso, los archivos adjuntos al mismo, pueden contener información de 
+carácter confidencial y/o privilegiada, y se envían a la atención única 
+y exclusivamente de la persona y/o entidad a quien va dirigido. La 
+copia, revisión, uso, revelación y/o distribución de dicha información 
+confidencial sin la autorización por escrito de LinuxCabal está 
+prohibida. Si usted no es el destinatario a quien se dirige el presente 
+correo, favor de contactar al remitente respondiendo al presente correo 
+y eliminar el correo original incluyendo sus archivos, así como 
+cualesquiera copia del mismo. Mediante la recepción del presente correo 
+usted reconoce y acepta que en caso de incumplimiento de su parte y/o de 
+sus representantes a los términos antes mencionados, LinuxCabal tendrá 
+derecho a los daños y perjuicios que esto le cause.</pre> 
+		</div> 
+	</div> 
+</blockquote> 
+<p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" > 
+	 </p> 
+</span></span>
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+Too old I think, please try latest icu and libreoffice.<br><br>在 2012年11月9日星期五，Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; Hi Robert,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:56:16 +0100<br>
+&gt; Robert Fox &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; [rfox@mainfox ~]$ libreoffice<br>&gt;&gt; /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup<br>&gt;&gt; error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:<br>
+&gt;&gt; _ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Anyone else??<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I can reproduce the exact same problem here (x86-64, Core i3, Intel graphics,<br>
+&gt; latest Cauldron, KDE 4):<br>&gt;<br>&gt; shlomif@telaviv1:~$ libreoffice<br>&gt; /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup<br>&gt; error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:<br>
+&gt; _ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Regards,<br>&gt;<br>&gt;         Shlomi Fish<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+&gt; Shlomi Fish       <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</a><br>&gt; Perl Humour - <a href="http://perl-begin.org/humour/">http://perl-begin.org/humour/</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt; C++ supports Object�Oriented Programming roughly as much as COBOL supports<br>
+&gt; Functional Programming.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>&gt;
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+Too old I think, please try latest icu and libreoffice.<br><br>在 2012年11月9日星期五，Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; Hi Robert,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 13:56:16 +0100<br>
+&gt; Robert Fox &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; [rfox@mainfox ~]$ libreoffice<br>&gt;&gt; /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup<br>&gt;&gt; error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:<br>
+&gt;&gt; _ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Anyone else??<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I can reproduce the exact same problem here (x86-64, Core i3, Intel graphics,<br>
+&gt; latest Cauldron, KDE 4):<br>&gt;<br>&gt; shlomif@telaviv1:~$ libreoffice<br>&gt; /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup<br>&gt; error: /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/libvcllo.so: undefined symbol:<br>
+&gt; _ZNK3icu14LEFontInstance10getSubFontEPKDsPiiiR11LEErrorCode<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Regards,<br>&gt;<br>&gt;         Shlomi Fish<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+&gt; Shlomi Fish       <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</a><br>&gt; Perl Humour - <a href="http://perl-begin.org/humour/">http://perl-begin.org/humour/</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt; C++ supports Object�Oriented Programming roughly as much as COBOL supports<br>
+&gt; Functional Programming.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>&gt;
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+Index: diskdrake/interactive.pm
+===================================================================
+--- diskdrake/interactive.pm	(revision 6434)
++++ diskdrake/interactive.pm	(working copy)
+@@ -323,7 +323,10 @@
+ 
+ sub hd_possible_actions_extra {
+     my ($_hd) = @_;
+-    $::expert ? N_("Toggle to normal mode") : N_("Toggle to expert mode");
++    (
++     N_("Refresh"),
++     $::expert ? N_("Toggle to normal mode") : N_("Toggle to expert mode"),
++    );
+ }
+ 
+ 
+@@ -338,6 +341,29 @@
+     &hd_possible_actions, N_("Hard disk drive information");
+ }
+ 
++sub Refresh {
++    my ($in, $current_hd, $all_hds) = @_;
++
++    # redo the first2 steps in a diff variable
++    my $all_hds2 = fsedit::get_hds({}, $in);
++    # TODO: do i need to get_raw_hds too? are raw disks shown?
++    # fs::get_raw_hds('', $all_hds2);
++    
++    # file based index of old hds
++    my %old_hds = map { $_->{file} => $_ } @{$all_hds->{hds}};
++
++    # same for new, but also push the new hd to all_hds if it has different size or not exist
++    my %new_hds = map { push @{$all_hds->{hds}} if (!defined $old_hds{$_->{file}} || $_->{total_sectors} != $old_hds{$_->{file}}->{total_sectors}); $_->{file} => $_ } @{$all_hds2->{hds}};
++
++    # find deleted ones
++    for my $hd (@{$all_hds->{hds}}) {
++        if (!defined $new_hds{$hd->{file}}) {
++            # TODO: mark the hd as unavailable
++        }
++    }
++    $all_hds;
++}
++
+ sub Clear_all {
+     my ($in, $hd, $all_hds) = @_;
+     return if detect_devices::is_xbox(); #- do not let them wipe the OS
+@@ -1134,6 +1160,7 @@
+     *{'Toggle to normal mode'} = sub() { $::expert = 0 };
+     *{'Toggle to expert mode'} = sub() { $::expert = 1 };
+     *{'Clear all'} = \&Clear_all;
++    *{'Refresh'} = \&Refresh;
+     *{'Auto allocate'} = \&Auto_allocate;
+     *{'Mount point'} = \&Mount_point;
+     *{'Modify RAID'} = \&ModifyRAID;
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+Index: diskdrake/interactive.pm
+===================================================================
+--- diskdrake/interactive.pm	(revision 6434)
++++ diskdrake/interactive.pm	(working copy)
+@@ -323,7 +323,10 @@
+ 
+ sub hd_possible_actions_extra {
+     my ($_hd) = @_;
+-    $::expert ? N_("Toggle to normal mode") : N_("Toggle to expert mode");
++    (
++     N_("Refresh"),
++     $::expert ? N_("Toggle to normal mode") : N_("Toggle to expert mode"),
++    );
+ }
+ 
+ 
+@@ -338,6 +341,29 @@
+     &hd_possible_actions, N_("Hard disk drive information");
+ }
+ 
++sub Refresh {
++    my ($in, $current_hd, $all_hds) = @_;
++
++    # redo the first2 steps in a diff variable
++    my $all_hds2 = fsedit::get_hds({}, $in);
++    # TODO: do i need to get_raw_hds too? are raw disks shown?
++    # fs::get_raw_hds('', $all_hds2);
++    
++    # file based index of old hds
++    my %old_hds = map { $_->{file} => $_ } @{$all_hds->{hds}};
++
++    # same for new, but also push the new hd to all_hds if it has different size or not exist
++    my %new_hds = map { push @{$all_hds->{hds}} if (!defined $old_hds{$_->{file}} || $_->{total_sectors} != $old_hds{$_->{file}}->{total_sectors}); $_->{file} => $_ } @{$all_hds2->{hds}};
++
++    # find deleted ones
++    for my $hd (@{$all_hds->{hds}}) {
++        if (!defined $new_hds{$hd->{file}}) {
++            # TODO: mark the hd as unavailable
++        }
++    }
++    $all_hds;
++}
++
+ sub Clear_all {
+     my ($in, $hd, $all_hds) = @_;
+     return if detect_devices::is_xbox(); #- do not let them wipe the OS
+@@ -1134,6 +1160,7 @@
+     *{'Toggle to normal mode'} = sub() { $::expert = 0 };
+     *{'Toggle to expert mode'} = sub() { $::expert = 1 };
+     *{'Clear all'} = \&Clear_all;
++    *{'Refresh'} = \&Refresh;
+     *{'Auto allocate'} = \&Auto_allocate;
+     *{'Mount point'} = \&Mount_point;
+     *{'Modify RAID'} = \&ModifyRAID;
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121112/d7c8bb06/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121112/d7c8bb06/attachment-0001.html
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+<div>So it means some bugs or even security problems are not fixed in cauldron but in stable releases? I thought they should be fixed at the same time.<br></div><div><br></div><div>BTW, is there any reason why we won&#39;t upgrade to mariadb 5.5.28 at the moment?</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/11 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com" target="_blank">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I just upgrade to alpha3 from mga2. It went very smoothly.<br>
+But a cannot upgrade mariadb to cauldron because its older then the installed package. rel.2 vs. rel<br>
+2<br>
+mariadb needs to have the rel bumped<br>
+I am not brave enough to do that.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Best regards<br>
+Thomas Spuhler<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div>So it means some bugs or even security problems are not fixed in cauldron but in stable releases? I thought they should be fixed at the same time.<br></div><div><br></div><div>BTW, is there any reason why we won&#39;t upgrade to mariadb 5.5.28 at the moment?</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/11 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com" target="_blank">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I just upgrade to alpha3 from mga2. It went very smoothly.<br>
+But a cannot upgrade mariadb to cauldron because its older then the installed package. rel.2 vs. rel<br>
+2<br>
+mariadb needs to have the rel bumped<br>
+I am not brave enough to do that.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Best regards<br>
+Thomas Spuhler<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hello,<div>Does the version freeze for iso generation has been removed ?</div><div>If so can i push kde ?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
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+Hello,<div>Does the version freeze for iso generation has been removed ?</div><div>If so can i push kde ?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/13 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com" target="_blank">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Since this isn&#39;t a bug, I am brining it up here:<br>
+The 389-ds wants apache to run with the mpm_worker_module.<br>
+Apache-2.4 provides now this module as stabel<br>
+<br>
+When I do this (using mpm-worker I get this error:<br>
+Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe.  You need to<br>
+recompile PHP<br>
+I am not quite sure how to proceed. What would be the disadvantage of compiling PHP threadsafe?</blockquote><div>It is not turned on by default :(</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Best regards<br>
+Thomas Spuhler<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/13 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com" target="_blank">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Since this isn&#39;t a bug, I am brining it up here:<br>
+The 389-ds wants apache to run with the mpm_worker_module.<br>
+Apache-2.4 provides now this module as stabel<br>
+<br>
+When I do this (using mpm-worker I get this error:<br>
+Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe.  You need to<br>
+recompile PHP<br>
+I am not quite sure how to proceed. What would be the disadvantage of compiling PHP threadsafe?</blockquote><div>It is not turned on by default :(</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Best regards<br>
+Thomas Spuhler<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com" target="_blank">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Whitout this, the apache mpm-worker doens&#39;t make much sense.</div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>If you are using PHP :) </div></div>
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+On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com" target="_blank">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Whitout this, the apache mpm-worker doens&#39;t make much sense.</div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>If you are using PHP :) </div></div>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly submitted to cauldron core/release , distro admins please remove the packages:</div><div><br></div><div>xtables-addons iptaccount xtables-geoip lib{,64}account0 lib{,64}account-devel dkms-xtables-addons<br>
+</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll submit the correct branch at a later time.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly submitted to cauldron core/release , distro admins please remove the packages:</div><div><br></div><div>xtables-addons iptaccount xtables-geoip lib{,64}account0 lib{,64}account-devel dkms-xtables-addons<br>
+</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll submit the correct branch at a later time.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121115/d3b1fe26/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121115/d3b1fe26/attachment-0001.html
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.</div><div>After we&#39;ll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121115/d3b1fe26/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121115/d3b1fe26/attachment.html
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.</div><div>After we&#39;ll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/15 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.<br>
+&gt; After we&#39;ll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+<br>
+</div>yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)<br>
+</blockquote></div>Yep.</div><div class="gmail_extra">I&#39;ll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Regards,<br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>
+
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/15 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.<br>
+&gt; After we&#39;ll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+<br>
+</div>yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)<br>
+</blockquote></div>Yep.</div><div class="gmail_extra">I&#39;ll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Regards,<br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>
+
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+ping?<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/15 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly submitted to cauldron core/release , distro admins please remove the packages:</div><div><br></div><div>xtables-addons iptaccount xtables-geoip lib{,64}account0 lib{,64}account-devel dkms-xtables-addons<br>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll submit the correct branch at a later time.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+ping?<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/15 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<div><br></div><div>Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly submitted to cauldron core/release , distro admins please remove the packages:</div><div><br></div><div>xtables-addons iptaccount xtables-geoip lib{,64}account0 lib{,64}account-devel dkms-xtables-addons<br>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll submit the correct branch at a later time.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+And all the packages depending qwt don&#39;t build now.<br><br></blockquote><div>;o)</div><div>I noticed it only for smoke bindings  (4.9.80 currently) &amp; think that i was the only one affected :p  </div></div><br><br clear="all">
+
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 Funda Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+And all the packages depending qwt don&#39;t build now.<br><br></blockquote><div>;o)</div><div>I noticed it only for smoke bindings  (4.9.80 currently) &amp; think that i was the only one affected :p  </div></div><br><br clear="all">
+
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Sans Serif&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">[...]</p><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">and packaging print-manager which replaced system-config-printer-kde</p>
+<hr>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"></p></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Sans Serif&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">printer-applet you mean ? ;o) </p>
+
+</div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Sans Serif&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">[...]</p><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">and packaging print-manager which replaced system-config-printer-kde</p>
+<hr>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"></p></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Sans Serif&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">printer-applet you mean ? ;o) </p>
+
+</div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+It seems somebody removed my packages, thx. But could debug package be removed also?<br><br>在 2012年11月16日星期五，Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 16/11/12 01:52 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt;&gt; ping?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; 2012/11/15 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;     Hello,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;     Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly<br>&gt;&gt;     submitted to cauldron core/release , distro admins please remove the<br>&gt;&gt;     packages:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;     xtables-addons iptaccount xtables-geoip lib{,64}account0<br>&gt;&gt;     lib{,64}account-devel dkms-xtables-addons<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;     I&#39;ll submit the correct branch at a later time.<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; I was in the middle of doing it but it seems someone else did it at<br>&gt; exactly the same time as the files disappeared!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Col<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Colin Guthrie<br>&gt; colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt; Day Job:<br>&gt;   Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>&gt; Open Source:<br>&gt;   Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+&gt;   PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>&gt;   Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>&gt;
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+It seems somebody removed my packages, thx. But could debug package be removed also?<br><br>在 2012年11月16日星期五，Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 16/11/12 01:52 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt;&gt; ping?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; 2012/11/15 Funda Wang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;     Hello,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;     Due to wrong branch being used, xtables-addons 2.0 was wrongly<br>&gt;&gt;     submitted to cauldron core/release , distro admins please remove the<br>&gt;&gt;     packages:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;     xtables-addons iptaccount xtables-geoip lib{,64}account0<br>&gt;&gt;     lib{,64}account-devel dkms-xtables-addons<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;     I&#39;ll submit the correct branch at a later time.<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; I was in the middle of doing it but it seems someone else did it at<br>&gt; exactly the same time as the files disappeared!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Col<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Colin Guthrie<br>&gt; colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt; Day Job:<br>&gt;   Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>&gt; Open Source:<br>&gt;   Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+&gt;   PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>&gt;   Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>&gt;
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 17 novembre 2012 09:51:32 John Balcaen a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2012/11/17 Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 2012/11/15 Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; After we'll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Yep.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I'll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Currently it's just a matter of splitting kdegames, some others packages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; need fix for files list &amp; we'll have to work on qwt support for smoke</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; bindings (currently disable in my local build to process faster :p )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">and packaging print-manager which replaced system-config-printer-kde</p>
+<hr />
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 17 novembre 2012 09:51:32 John Balcaen a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2012/11/17 Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 2012/11/15 Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; After we'll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Yep.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I'll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Currently it's just a matter of splitting kdegames, some others packages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; need fix for files list &amp; we'll have to work on qwt support for smoke</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; bindings (currently disable in my local build to process faster :p )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">and packaging print-manager which replaced system-config-printer-kde</p>
+<hr />
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 zezinho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">
+Name        : libqwt                       Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 6.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br></div>[...]<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 6.0.1-2.mga3:<br>
++ Revision: 319237<br>
+- obsoletes qwt5</div></blockquote></div><br>Why ?</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></font></span></blockquote></div><div>I guess/hope you noticed that you&#39;re obsoleting librairies so breaking *all* installed applications relaying on libqwt5 (&amp; fwang mentionned early that several apps does not rebuild against libqwt 6 ...) ?</div>
+
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 John Balcaen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 zezinho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">
+Name        : libqwt                       Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 6.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br></div>[...]<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 6.0.1-2.mga3:<br>
++ Revision: 319237<br>
+- obsoletes qwt5</div></blockquote></div><br>Why ?</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></font></span></blockquote></div><div>I guess/hope you noticed that you&#39;re obsoleting librairies so breaking *all* installed applications relaying on libqwt5 (&amp; fwang mentionned early that several apps does not rebuild against libqwt 6 ...) ?</div>
+
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/16  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org" target="_blank">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
+
+
+
+
+<div>
+
+
+<div>
+<dl>
+<dt>Revision</dt> <dd>319009</dd>
+<dt>Author</dt> <dd>zezinho</dd>
+<dt>Date</dt> <dd>2012-11-16 23:53:57 +0100 (Fri, 16 Nov 2012)</dd>
+</dl>
+
+<h3>Log Message</h3>
+<pre>update patch</pre>
+
+<h3>[....]</h3></div><div><pre>===================================================================
+--- cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:32:15 UTC (rev 319008)
++++ cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:53:57 UTC (rev 319009)
+@@ -1,15 +1,15 @@
+ %define realname qwt
+-%define major 5
++%define major 6
+ 
+ Name: libqwt
+-Version: 5.2.2
+-Release: %mkrel 3
++Version: 6.0.1
++Release: %mkrel 1
+[...]
+
+</pre></div>
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div>Changelog should be fixed  since it&#39;s not only an update patch but also a version upgrade (with a major bump).</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br clear="all"><div>
+
+<br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/16  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org" target="_blank">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
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+<div>
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+<div>
+<dl>
+<dt>Revision</dt> <dd>319009</dd>
+<dt>Author</dt> <dd>zezinho</dd>
+<dt>Date</dt> <dd>2012-11-16 23:53:57 +0100 (Fri, 16 Nov 2012)</dd>
+</dl>
+
+<h3>Log Message</h3>
+<pre>update patch</pre>
+
+<h3>[....]</h3></div><div><pre>===================================================================
+--- cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:32:15 UTC (rev 319008)
++++ cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:53:57 UTC (rev 319009)
+@@ -1,15 +1,15 @@
+ %define realname qwt
+-%define major 5
++%define major 6
+ 
+ Name: libqwt
+-Version: 5.2.2
+-Release: %mkrel 3
++Version: 6.0.1
++Release: %mkrel 1
+[...]
+
+</pre></div>
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div>Changelog should be fixed  since it&#39;s not only an update patch but also a version upgrade (with a major bump).</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br clear="all"><div>
+
+<br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 18 novembre 2012 01:13:21 Pascal Terjan a écrit :<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dlucio@okay.com.mx</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">For some strange reason, Im having problems compilling/linking freeswitch with<br />perl<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log</span></a><br /><br />can you give me an advise or in best case just apply patch to fix this?<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Wow this is a scary package</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[pterjan@chopin freeswitch]$ ls -1 SOURCES/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">celt-0.10.0.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">communicator_semi_6000_20080321.tar.gz </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">flite-1.5.1-current.tar.bz2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">freeswitch-1.2.3.tar.bz2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">json-c-0.9.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lame-3.97.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">libmemcached-0.32.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">libshout-2.2.2.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mpg123-1.13.2.tar.gz </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">openldap-2.4.11.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">opus-0.9.0.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">pocketsphinx-0.7.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sha1.lst</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">soundtouch-1.6.0.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sphinxbase-0.7.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The spec has :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">%if 0%{?suse_version} &gt; 100</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">#BuildRequires: openldap2-devel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">BuildRequires: lzo-devel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">%else</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">BuildRequires: openldap-devel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">%endif </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So why does it need to have the sources of openldap 2.4.11 (from 2008)?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why does it include so many very old version of various software? Can they at least get patched for all security fixes they got over the years? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sorry, I wanted to help but this package really looks too awful... The spec is 2339 lines, many of them not applying to mageia...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Good luck</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">By the way I am surprised that we don't block upload of packages with such Packager tag </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br />I know, they are statically linked.  I did ask directly to freeswitch ML and they told me they freeze the use of these packages because they are tested to work. Anyway I have linked as shared so it is only to let the srpm work, i will try to strip them, but please help me on the perl linking, i dont find a reason why it looks for libperl    </p>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 18 novembre 2012 01:13:21 Pascal Terjan a écrit :<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dlucio@okay.com.mx</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">For some strange reason, Im having problems compilling/linking freeswitch with<br />perl<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log</span></a><br /><br />can you give me an advise or in best case just apply patch to fix this?<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Wow this is a scary package</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[pterjan@chopin freeswitch]$ ls -1 SOURCES/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">celt-0.10.0.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">communicator_semi_6000_20080321.tar.gz </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">flite-1.5.1-current.tar.bz2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">freeswitch-1.2.3.tar.bz2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">json-c-0.9.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">lame-3.97.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">libmemcached-0.32.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">libshout-2.2.2.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mpg123-1.13.2.tar.gz </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">openldap-2.4.11.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">opus-0.9.0.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">pocketsphinx-0.7.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sha1.lst</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">soundtouch-1.6.0.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sphinxbase-0.7.tar.gz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The spec has :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">%if 0%{?suse_version} &gt; 100</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">#BuildRequires: openldap2-devel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">BuildRequires: lzo-devel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">%else</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">BuildRequires: openldap-devel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">%endif </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So why does it need to have the sources of openldap 2.4.11 (from 2008)?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why does it include so many very old version of various software? Can they at least get patched for all security fixes they got over the years? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sorry, I wanted to help but this package really looks too awful... The spec is 2339 lines, many of them not applying to mageia...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Good luck</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">By the way I am surprised that we don't block upload of packages with such Packager tag </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br />I know, they are statically linked.  I did ask directly to freeswitch ML and they told me they freeze the use of these packages because they are tested to work. Anyway I have linked as shared so it is only to let the srpm work, i will try to strip them, but please help me on the perl linking, i dont find a reason why it looks for libperl    </p>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; 2012/11/15 Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;m pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; After we&#39;ll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yep.<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+<br>
+</div>btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )</blockquote><div>Currently it&#39;s just a matter of splitting kdegames, some others packages need fix for files list &amp; we&#39;ll have to work on qwt support for smoke bindings (currently disable in my local build to process faster :p )</div>
+
+<div> </div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; 2012/11/15 Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;m pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; After we&#39;ll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yep.<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+<br>
+</div>btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )</blockquote><div>Currently it&#39;s just a matter of splitting kdegames, some others packages need fix for files list &amp; we&#39;ll have to work on qwt support for smoke bindings (currently disable in my local build to process faster :p )</div>
+
+<div> </div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+Suggestion, do you want to put qt5 libs into /usr/lib directly after lib rename?<br><br>在 2012年11月17日星期六，Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/11/15 Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;m pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; After we&#39;ll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Yep.<br>&gt;&gt; I&#39;ll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )<br>
+&gt;
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+Suggestion, do you want to put qt5 libs into /usr/lib directly after lib rename?<br><br>在 2012年11月17日星期六，Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt; Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012 19:46:53 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/11/15 Nicolas Lécureuil &lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012 20:57:36 John Balcaen a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I&#39;m pushing KDE 4.9.3 on cauldron.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; After we&#39;ll certainly switch to KDE 4.10 beta1<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; yes :) as it should be available on wednesday :)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Yep.<br>&gt;&gt; I&#39;ll start tonight to work on new tarballs :)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; btw tell if needed ( i will have time after qt5 split )<br>
+&gt;
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 Jose Jorge <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr" target="_blank">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Le 17/11/2012 13:52, John Balcaen a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I noticed it only for smoke bindings  (4.9.80 currently) &amp; think that i<br>
+was the only one affected :p<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Sorry, it is my first lib update with major change. I now have obsoleted qwt5. I hope we do not need the old qwt?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>This is even worse !</div><div class="gmail_extra">Because it&#39;s against our policy, but also you&#39;re going to break all installed applications ...</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
+
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 Jose Jorge <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr" target="_blank">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Le 17/11/2012 13:52, John Balcaen a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I noticed it only for smoke bindings  (4.9.80 currently) &amp; think that i<br>
+was the only one affected :p<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Sorry, it is my first lib update with major change. I now have obsoleted qwt5. I hope we do not need the old qwt?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>This is even worse !</div><div class="gmail_extra">Because it&#39;s against our policy, but also you&#39;re going to break all installed applications ...</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
+
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 zezinho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Name        : libqwt                       Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 6.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>[...]<br>
+<br>
+zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 6.0.1-2.mga3:<br>
++ Revision: 319237<br>
+- obsoletes qwt5</blockquote></div><br>Why ?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/17 zezinho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org" target="_blank">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Name        : libqwt                       Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+Version     : 6.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>[...]<br>
+<br>
+zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 6.0.1-2.mga3:<br>
++ Revision: 319237<br>
+- obsoletes qwt5</blockquote></div><br>Why ?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
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+And all the packages depending qwt don&#39;t build now.<br><br>在 2012年11月17日星期六，John Balcaen &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 2012/11/16 &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Revision 319009 Author zezinho Date 2012-11-16 23:53:57 +0100 (Fri, 16 Nov 2012)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Log Message<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; update patch<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; [....]<br>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; ===================================================================<br>&gt;&gt; --- cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:32:15 UTC (rev 319008)<br>&gt;&gt; +++ cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:53:57 UTC (rev 319009)<br>
+&gt;&gt; @@ -1,15 +1,15 @@<br>&gt;&gt;  %define realname qwt<br>&gt;&gt; -%define major 5<br>&gt;&gt; +%define major 6<br>&gt;&gt;  <br>&gt;&gt;  Name: libqwt<br>&gt;&gt; -Version: 5.2.2<br>&gt;&gt; -Release: %mkrel 3<br>
+&gt;&gt; +Version: 6.0.1<br>&gt;&gt; +Release: %mkrel 1<br>&gt;&gt; [...]<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; Changelog should be fixed  since it&#39;s not only an update patch but also a version upgrade (with a major bump).<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Balcaen John<br>&gt; Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>&gt;
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+And all the packages depending qwt don&#39;t build now.<br><br>在 2012年11月17日星期六，John Balcaen &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; 写�：<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 2012/11/16 &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Revision 319009 Author zezinho Date 2012-11-16 23:53:57 +0100 (Fri, 16 Nov 2012)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Log Message<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; update patch<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; [....]<br>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; ===================================================================<br>&gt;&gt; --- cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:32:15 UTC (rev 319008)<br>&gt;&gt; +++ cauldron/libqwt/current/SPECS/libqwt.spec	2012-11-16 22:53:57 UTC (rev 319009)<br>
+&gt;&gt; @@ -1,15 +1,15 @@<br>&gt;&gt;  %define realname qwt<br>&gt;&gt; -%define major 5<br>&gt;&gt; +%define major 6<br>&gt;&gt;  <br>&gt;&gt;  Name: libqwt<br>&gt;&gt; -Version: 5.2.2<br>&gt;&gt; -Release: %mkrel 3<br>
+&gt;&gt; +Version: 6.0.1<br>&gt;&gt; +Release: %mkrel 1<br>&gt;&gt; [...]<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; Changelog should be fixed  since it&#39;s not only an update patch but also a version upgrade (with a major bump).<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Balcaen John<br>&gt; Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>&gt;
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+Name: libpinyin
+Version: 0.7.92
+Release: %mkrel 1
+Summary: The library of a sentence-based Chinese pinyin input method
+Source0: https://github.com/downloads/libpinyin/libpinyin/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+License: GPLv2+
+Group: System/Internationalization
+Url: https://github.com/libpinyin/libpinyin
+Buildrequires: glib2-devel
+Buildrequires: db5-devel
+Requires: %{name}-data = %{version}-%{release}
+ 
+%description
+The libpinyin project aims to provide the algorithms core for intelligent sentence-based Chinese pinyin input methods.
+
+%package        devel
+Summary:        Development files for %{name}
+Requires:       %{name} = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description    devel
+The %{name}-devel package contains libraries and header files for developing applications that use %{name}.
+
+%package        data
+Summary:        Data files for %{name}
+Requires:       %{name} = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description    data
+The %{name}-data package contains data files.
+
+%package        tools
+Summary:        Tools for %{name}
+Requires:       %{name}=%{version}-%{release}
+
+%description    tools
+The %{name}-tools package contains tools for training inputting habit.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+
+%build
+%configure
+
+%make 
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall
+
+%files
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING README
+%{_libdir}/*.so.*
+%dir %{_datadir}/libpinyin
+
+%files devel
+%doc
+%dir %{_includedir}/libpinyin-%{version}
+%{_includedir}/libpinyin-%{version}/*
+%{_libdir}/*.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/libpinyin.pc
+
+%files data
+%doc
+%{_datadir}/libpinyin/data
+
+%files tools
+%{_bindir}/gen_binary_files
+%{_bindir}/import_interpolation
+%{_bindir}/gen_unigram
+%{_mandir}/man1/*.1.*
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+Name: libpinyin
+Version: 0.7.92
+Release: %mkrel 1
+Summary: The library of a sentence-based Chinese pinyin input method
+Source0: https://github.com/downloads/libpinyin/libpinyin/%{name}-%{version}.tar.gz
+License: GPLv2+
+Group: System/Internationalization
+Url: https://github.com/libpinyin/libpinyin
+Buildrequires: glib2-devel
+Buildrequires: db5-devel
+Requires: %{name}-data = %{version}-%{release}
+ 
+%description
+The libpinyin project aims to provide the algorithms core for intelligent sentence-based Chinese pinyin input methods.
+
+%package        devel
+Summary:        Development files for %{name}
+Requires:       %{name} = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description    devel
+The %{name}-devel package contains libraries and header files for developing applications that use %{name}.
+
+%package        data
+Summary:        Data files for %{name}
+Requires:       %{name} = %{version}-%{release}
+
+%description    data
+The %{name}-data package contains data files.
+
+%package        tools
+Summary:        Tools for %{name}
+Requires:       %{name}=%{version}-%{release}
+
+%description    tools
+The %{name}-tools package contains tools for training inputting habit.
+
+%prep
+%setup -q
+
+%build
+%configure
+
+%make 
+
+%install
+rm -rf %{buildroot}
+%makeinstall
+
+%files
+%doc AUTHORS COPYING README
+%{_libdir}/*.so.*
+%dir %{_datadir}/libpinyin
+
+%files devel
+%doc
+%dir %{_includedir}/libpinyin-%{version}
+%{_includedir}/libpinyin-%{version}/*
+%{_libdir}/*.so
+%{_libdir}/pkgconfig/libpinyin.pc
+
+%files data
+%doc
+%{_datadir}/libpinyin/data
+
+%files tools
+%{_bindir}/gen_binary_files
+%{_bindir}/import_interpolation
+%{_bindir}/gen_unigram
+%{_mandir}/man1/*.1.*
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121118/4a78d896/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121118/4a78d896/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx" target="_blank">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+For some strange reason, Im having problems compilling/linking freeswitch with<br>
+perl<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log" target="_blank">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log</a><br>
+
+
+<br>
+can you give me an advise or in best case just apply patch to fix this?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wow this is a scary package</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>[pterjan@chopin freeswitch]$ ls -1 SOURCES/</div><div>celt-0.10.0.tar.gz</div><div>communicator_semi_6000_20080321.tar.gz</div>
+
+<div>flite-1.5.1-current.tar.bz2</div><div>freeswitch-1.2.3.tar.bz2</div><div>json-c-0.9.tar.gz</div><div>lame-3.97.tar.gz</div><div>libmemcached-0.32.tar.gz</div><div>libshout-2.2.2.tar.gz</div><div>mpg123-1.13.2.tar.gz</div>
+
+<div>openldap-2.4.11.tar.gz</div><div>opus-0.9.0.tar.gz</div><div>pocketsphinx-0.7.tar.gz</div><div>sha1.lst</div><div>soundtouch-1.6.0.tar.gz</div><div>sphinxbase-0.7.tar.gz</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
+
+The spec has :</div><div><div>%if 0%{?suse_version} &gt; 100</div><div>#BuildRequires: openldap2-devel</div><div>BuildRequires: lzo-devel</div><div>%else</div><div>BuildRequires: openldap-devel</div><div>%endif</div></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><div>So why does it need to have the sources of openldap 2.4.11 (from 2008)?</div></div><div><br></div><div>Why does it include so many very old version of various software? Can they at least get patched for all security fixes they got over the years?</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Sorry, I wanted to help but this package really looks too awful... The spec is 2339 lines, many of them not applying to mageia...</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck</div><div><br></div><div>By the way I am surprised that we don&#39;t block upload of packages with such Packager tag</div>
+
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx" target="_blank">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+For some strange reason, Im having problems compilling/linking freeswitch with<br>
+perl<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log" target="_blank">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121117015722.dlucio.valstar.24074/log/freeswitch-1.2.3-1.mga3/build.0.20121117015804.log</a><br>
+
+
+<br>
+can you give me an advise or in best case just apply patch to fix this?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wow this is a scary package</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>[pterjan@chopin freeswitch]$ ls -1 SOURCES/</div><div>celt-0.10.0.tar.gz</div><div>communicator_semi_6000_20080321.tar.gz</div>
+
+<div>flite-1.5.1-current.tar.bz2</div><div>freeswitch-1.2.3.tar.bz2</div><div>json-c-0.9.tar.gz</div><div>lame-3.97.tar.gz</div><div>libmemcached-0.32.tar.gz</div><div>libshout-2.2.2.tar.gz</div><div>mpg123-1.13.2.tar.gz</div>
+
+<div>openldap-2.4.11.tar.gz</div><div>opus-0.9.0.tar.gz</div><div>pocketsphinx-0.7.tar.gz</div><div>sha1.lst</div><div>soundtouch-1.6.0.tar.gz</div><div>sphinxbase-0.7.tar.gz</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
+
+The spec has :</div><div><div>%if 0%{?suse_version} &gt; 100</div><div>#BuildRequires: openldap2-devel</div><div>BuildRequires: lzo-devel</div><div>%else</div><div>BuildRequires: openldap-devel</div><div>%endif</div></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><div>So why does it need to have the sources of openldap 2.4.11 (from 2008)?</div></div><div><br></div><div>Why does it include so many very old version of various software? Can they at least get patched for all security fixes they got over the years?</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Sorry, I wanted to help but this package really looks too awful... The spec is 2339 lines, many of them not applying to mageia...</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck</div><div><br></div><div>By the way I am surprised that we don&#39;t block upload of packages with such Packager tag</div>
+
+</div>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 18 Nov 2012 22:13, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 18/11/12 16:40 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On 18 November 2012 17:37, Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; This package, when installed will add a new menu option to your<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; bootloader. Simply install this package, reboot, select the &quot;Mageia 3<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Upgrade Preparation&quot; entry boot, wait while your FS is converted and<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; then perform a urpmi upgrade as you would normally.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I&#39;ve not specifically tested the upgrade part, only the installation and<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; creation of the initrd and bootloader entries in grub. I&#39;ve also not<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; done this on an mga2 machine yet but will do soon enough.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I just wanted to get this package &quot;out there&quot; for anyone wanting to<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; update their mga2 machines to mga3 a3 but not wanting to use the installer.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; At present there are a few limitations:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; 1. It requires kernel 3.3.8-2.mga2 to be installed (any flavour should<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; work). A specific kernel version is not really 100% necessary but it<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; does mean I can add hard requires to the package. This is only desirable<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; to prevent the situation where users install this upgrade package but do<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; not run it and later remove the kernel used to generate the initrd for<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; the bootloader menu item, thus breaking it. Any smarter ideas on how to<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; manage this welcome.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Cannot you just made dracut/mkinitrd always include it and just<br>
+&gt; &gt; rebuild initrds so<br>
+&gt; &gt; that any kernel with work<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Well yes, this package installs a dracut config snippet that does always<br>
+&gt; include the module. The rebuilding of the initrd is just that - a<br>
+&gt; rebuild under the same name as is always used for the normal kernel -<br>
+&gt; just with the extra convertfs module added.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; However, it requires special kernel command line to trigger the change<br>
+&gt; and thus the bootloader entry adds the needed params for you.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not sure it would be a good idea to make any boot silently do the<br>
+&gt; conversion.</p>
+<p dir="ltr">But you can have the new entry pointing to the non versionned symlinks<br>
+</p>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 18 Nov 2012 22:13, &quot;Colin Guthrie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &#39;Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 18/11/12 16:40 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On 18 November 2012 17:37, Colin Guthrie &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; This package, when installed will add a new menu option to your<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; bootloader. Simply install this package, reboot, select the &quot;Mageia 3<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Upgrade Preparation&quot; entry boot, wait while your FS is converted and<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; then perform a urpmi upgrade as you would normally.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I&#39;ve not specifically tested the upgrade part, only the installation and<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; creation of the initrd and bootloader entries in grub. I&#39;ve also not<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; done this on an mga2 machine yet but will do soon enough.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I just wanted to get this package &quot;out there&quot; for anyone wanting to<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; update their mga2 machines to mga3 a3 but not wanting to use the installer.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; At present there are a few limitations:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; 1. It requires kernel 3.3.8-2.mga2 to be installed (any flavour should<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; work). A specific kernel version is not really 100% necessary but it<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; does mean I can add hard requires to the package. This is only desirable<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; to prevent the situation where users install this upgrade package but do<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; not run it and later remove the kernel used to generate the initrd for<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; the bootloader menu item, thus breaking it. Any smarter ideas on how to<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; manage this welcome.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Cannot you just made dracut/mkinitrd always include it and just<br>
+&gt; &gt; rebuild initrds so<br>
+&gt; &gt; that any kernel with work<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Well yes, this package installs a dracut config snippet that does always<br>
+&gt; include the module. The rebuilding of the initrd is just that - a<br>
+&gt; rebuild under the same name as is always used for the normal kernel -<br>
+&gt; just with the extra convertfs module added.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; However, it requires special kernel command line to trigger the change<br>
+&gt; and thus the bootloader entry adds the needed params for you.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not sure it would be a good idea to make any boot silently do the<br>
+&gt; conversion.</p>
+<p dir="ltr">But you can have the new entry pointing to the non versionned symlinks<br>
+</p>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>In Fedora the bundled documentation of mysql-workbench has been removed because it isn&#39;t distributed under a GPL license. However, according to this parte of the license, it seems that it can be distributed if it&#39;s distributed along with mysql-workbench:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><p style="margin:0px 0px 10px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:25px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;max-width:720px">
+
+This documentation is NOT distributed under a GPL license. Use of this documentation is subject to the following terms:</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 10px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:25px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;max-width:720px">
+
+You may create a printed copy of this documentation solely for your own personal use. Conversion to other formats is allowed as long as the actual content is not altered or edited in any way. You shall not publish or distribute this documentation in any form or on any media, except if you distribute the documentation in a manner similar to how Oracle disseminates it (that is, electronically for download on a Web site with the software) or on a CD-ROM or similar medium, provided however that the documentation is disseminated together with the software on the same medium. Any other use, such as any dissemination of printed copies or use of this documentation, in whole or in part, in another publication, requires the prior written consent from an authorized representative of Oracle. Oracle and/or its affiliates reserve any and all rights to this documentation not expressly granted above.</p>
+
+<p style="margin:0px 0px 10px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:25px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;max-width:720px">----------</p>
+
+<div><br></div><div>My interpretation is that even if it isn&#39;t GPL&#39;d we can distribute it if it&#39;s bundled with mysql-workbench. Is this correct ? if not then I&#39;ll apply the patch form Fedora to remove it too.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
+</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121119/10526fc9/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121119/10526fc9/attachment.html
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@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+Hi,<div><br></div><div>In Fedora the bundled documentation of mysql-workbench has been removed because it isn&#39;t distributed under a GPL license. However, according to this parte of the license, it seems that it can be distributed if it&#39;s distributed along with mysql-workbench:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><p style="margin:0px 0px 10px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:25px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;max-width:720px">
+
+This documentation is NOT distributed under a GPL license. Use of this documentation is subject to the following terms:</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 10px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:25px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;max-width:720px">
+
+You may create a printed copy of this documentation solely for your own personal use. Conversion to other formats is allowed as long as the actual content is not altered or edited in any way. You shall not publish or distribute this documentation in any form or on any media, except if you distribute the documentation in a manner similar to how Oracle disseminates it (that is, electronically for download on a Web site with the software) or on a CD-ROM or similar medium, provided however that the documentation is disseminated together with the software on the same medium. Any other use, such as any dissemination of printed copies or use of this documentation, in whole or in part, in another publication, requires the prior written consent from an authorized representative of Oracle. Oracle and/or its affiliates reserve any and all rights to this documentation not expressly granted above.</p>
+
+<p style="margin:0px 0px 10px;padding:0px;border:0px;outline:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:25px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;max-width:720px">----------</p>
+
+<div><br></div><div>My interpretation is that even if it isn&#39;t GPL&#39;d we can distribute it if it&#39;s bundled with mysql-workbench. Is this correct ? if not then I&#39;ll apply the patch form Fedora to remove it too.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
+</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121119/4354a2d8/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121119/4354a2d8/attachment-0001.html
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+Ooops forgot to put the link from where the licence comes from:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-preface.html">http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-preface.html</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<div><br></div><div>In Fedora the bundled documentation of mysql-workbench has been removed because it isn&#39;t distributed under a GPL license. However, according to this parte of the license, it seems that it can be distributed if it&#39;s distributed along with mysql-workbench:</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><p style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:25px;max-width:720px;font-size:14px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 10px;outline:0px;border:0px;padding:0px">
+This documentation is NOT distributed under a GPL license. Use of this documentation is subject to the following terms:</p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:25px;max-width:720px;font-size:14px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 10px;outline:0px;border:0px;padding:0px">
+
+
+You may create a printed copy of this documentation solely for your own personal use. Conversion to other formats is allowed as long as the actual content is not altered or edited in any way. You shall not publish or distribute this documentation in any form or on any media, except if you distribute the documentation in a manner similar to how Oracle disseminates it (that is, electronically for download on a Web site with the software) or on a CD-ROM or similar medium, provided however that the documentation is disseminated together with the software on the same medium. Any other use, such as any dissemination of printed copies or use of this documentation, in whole or in part, in another publication, requires the prior written consent from an authorized representative of Oracle. Oracle and/or its affiliates reserve any and all rights to this documentation not expressly granted above.</p>
+
+
+<p style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:25px;max-width:720px;font-size:14px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 10px;outline:0px;border:0px;padding:0px">----------</p>
+<div><br></div><div>My interpretation is that even if it isn&#39;t GPL&#39;d we can distribute it if it&#39;s bundled with mysql-workbench. Is this correct ? if not then I&#39;ll apply the patch form Fedora to remove it too.</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>Juancho<br>
+</font></span></div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
+</div>
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+Ooops forgot to put the link from where the licence comes from:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-preface.html">http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-preface.html</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<div><br></div><div>In Fedora the bundled documentation of mysql-workbench has been removed because it isn&#39;t distributed under a GPL license. However, according to this parte of the license, it seems that it can be distributed if it&#39;s distributed along with mysql-workbench:</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>----------</div><div><p style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:25px;max-width:720px;font-size:14px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 10px;outline:0px;border:0px;padding:0px">
+This documentation is NOT distributed under a GPL license. Use of this documentation is subject to the following terms:</p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:25px;max-width:720px;font-size:14px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 10px;outline:0px;border:0px;padding:0px">
+
+
+You may create a printed copy of this documentation solely for your own personal use. Conversion to other formats is allowed as long as the actual content is not altered or edited in any way. You shall not publish or distribute this documentation in any form or on any media, except if you distribute the documentation in a manner similar to how Oracle disseminates it (that is, electronically for download on a Web site with the software) or on a CD-ROM or similar medium, provided however that the documentation is disseminated together with the software on the same medium. Any other use, such as any dissemination of printed copies or use of this documentation, in whole or in part, in another publication, requires the prior written consent from an authorized representative of Oracle. Oracle and/or its affiliates reserve any and all rights to this documentation not expressly granted above.</p>
+
+
+<p style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:25px;max-width:720px;font-size:14px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 10px;outline:0px;border:0px;padding:0px">----------</p>
+<div><br></div><div>My interpretation is that even if it isn&#39;t GPL&#39;d we can distribute it if it&#39;s bundled with mysql-workbench. Is this correct ? if not then I&#39;ll apply the patch form Fedora to remove it too.</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>Juancho<br>
+</font></span></div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+For many, many years, I&#39;ve always done a umount -l  on stale NFS mounts<br>
+(e.g. when resuming in a different location to suspending).<br>
+<br>
+This has always worked, but very recently (i.e. in the last couple<br>
+weeks) this has stopped working.<br>
+<br>
+Anyone know what could be up?<br>
+<br>
+Blino&#39;s change to nfs-utils doesn&#39;t look like a problem.<br>
+<br>
+The call that&#39;s stalling things is stat(), but this never used to be a<br>
+problem with lazy umounts in the past (not sure if it&#39;s just stat()<br>
+that&#39;s now blocking at a kernel level or of some userspace code now<br>
+calls it when in the past it did not?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If your nfs mount is dead I would expect stat to hang, so I guess it wasn&#39;t called in the past. </div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+For many, many years, I&#39;ve always done a umount -l  on stale NFS mounts<br>
+(e.g. when resuming in a different location to suspending).<br>
+<br>
+This has always worked, but very recently (i.e. in the last couple<br>
+weeks) this has stopped working.<br>
+<br>
+Anyone know what could be up?<br>
+<br>
+Blino&#39;s change to nfs-utils doesn&#39;t look like a problem.<br>
+<br>
+The call that&#39;s stalling things is stat(), but this never used to be a<br>
+problem with lazy umounts in the past (not sure if it&#39;s just stat()<br>
+that&#39;s now blocking at a kernel level or of some userspace code now<br>
+calls it when in the past it did not?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If your nfs mount is dead I would expect stat to hang, so I guess it wasn&#39;t called in the past. </div></div>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/19/2012 08:55 AM, Pascal Terjan
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CA+CX+bg_Ae8O_6L_vs=bD47Q=X=fJ8wA-Udw9sTqXHvfGUbhrQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Colin
+        Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          <br>
+          The call that's stalling things is stat(), but this never used
+          to be a<br>
+          problem with lazy umounts in the past (not sure if it's just
+          stat()<br>
+          that's now blocking at a kernel level or of some userspace
+          code now<br>
+          calls it when in the past it did not?<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>If your nfs mount is dead I would expect stat to hang, so I
+          guess it wasn't called in the past.&nbsp;</div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Somebody bobbled, fix available.&nbsp; See
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866303">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866303</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/19/2012 08:55 AM, Pascal Terjan
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CA+CX+bg_Ae8O_6L_vs=bD47Q=X=fJ8wA-Udw9sTqXHvfGUbhrQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Colin
+        Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          <br>
+          The call that's stalling things is stat(), but this never used
+          to be a<br>
+          problem with lazy umounts in the past (not sure if it's just
+          stat()<br>
+          that's now blocking at a kernel level or of some userspace
+          code now<br>
+          calls it when in the past it did not?<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>If your nfs mount is dead I would expect stat to hang, so I
+          guess it wasn't called in the past.&nbsp;</div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Somebody bobbled, fix available.&nbsp; See
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866303">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866303</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:54 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+An alternate approach would be to package and distribute the documentation separately (as nonfree).  Oracle permits this as long as it is only available on the same media or sites as mysql-workbench -- which concurs with our current practices.<br>
+
+
+Then the mysql-workbench package itself would still be GPL.<br>
+<br>
+So I&#39;d go for the second option.<br>
+Maybe adding a comment in the mysql-workbench description indicating that due to licensing restrictions, the documentation is available in non-free.<br><br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Ok but a adding a Suggest to mysql-workbench for the documentation would be ok ?</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:54 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+An alternate approach would be to package and distribute the documentation separately (as nonfree).  Oracle permits this as long as it is only available on the same media or sites as mysql-workbench -- which concurs with our current practices.<br>
+
+
+Then the mysql-workbench package itself would still be GPL.<br>
+<br>
+So I&#39;d go for the second option.<br>
+Maybe adding a comment in the mysql-workbench description indicating that due to licensing restrictions, the documentation is available in non-free.<br><br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Ok but a adding a Suggest to mysql-workbench for the documentation would be ok ?</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:54 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+An alternate approach would be to package and distribute the documentation separately (as nonfree).  Oracle permits this as long as it is only available on the same media or sites as mysql-workbench -- which concurs with our current practices.<br>
+
+
+
+Then the mysql-workbench package itself would still be GPL.<br>
+<br>
+So I&#39;d go for the second option.<br>
+Maybe adding a comment in the mysql-workbench description indicating that due to licensing restrictions, the documentation is available in non-free.<br><br></blockquote><div> </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
+
+<div>Giving it a second thought, I think this isn&#39;t a good idea because if I split the documentation into a separate package that would mean that I would need to have mysql-workbench sources also in the documentation package to be able to build it. And looking more closely at the Fedora patch, they remove the documentation but patch the program to open the online version of the documentation. IMO, if we can&#39;t include the doc in the same mysql-workbench package then the online approach is better. </div>
+
+<div> </div></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:54 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+An alternate approach would be to package and distribute the documentation separately (as nonfree).  Oracle permits this as long as it is only available on the same media or sites as mysql-workbench -- which concurs with our current practices.<br>
+
+
+
+Then the mysql-workbench package itself would still be GPL.<br>
+<br>
+So I&#39;d go for the second option.<br>
+Maybe adding a comment in the mysql-workbench description indicating that due to licensing restrictions, the documentation is available in non-free.<br><br></blockquote><div> </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
+
+<div>Giving it a second thought, I think this isn&#39;t a good idea because if I split the documentation into a separate package that would mean that I would need to have mysql-workbench sources also in the documentation package to be able to build it. And looking more closely at the Fedora patch, they remove the documentation but patch the program to open the online version of the documentation. IMO, if we can&#39;t include the doc in the same mysql-workbench package then the online approach is better. </div>
+
+<div> </div></div>-- <br>Juancho<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed a contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from the company links within each of the Partner Properties.<br>
+
+<br>
+What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and Mageia 2 including this:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%7B%7Bsearch%7D%7D&amp;t=mageia" target="_blank">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{<u></u>search}}&amp;t=mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+Browsers maintainers, can you please have a look ?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;d like to inform for a problem in konqueror:<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307851">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307851</a><br clear="all">which is the reason i don&#39;t use the duckduckgo search engine<br>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed a contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from the company links within each of the Partner Properties.<br>
+
+<br>
+What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and Mageia 2 including this:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%7B%7Bsearch%7D%7D&amp;t=mageia" target="_blank">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{<u></u>search}}&amp;t=mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+Browsers maintainers, can you please have a look ?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;d like to inform for a problem in konqueror:<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307851">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307851</a><br clear="all">which is the reason i don&#39;t use the duckduckgo search engine<br>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed a<br>
+&gt; contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the<br>
+&gt; monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from the<br>
+&gt; company links within each of the Partner Properties.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; including this:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search}}&amp;t=mageia" target="_blank">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search}}&amp;t=mageia</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>This link only lists other search systems. To get results about Mageia<br>
+the link is:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search}}mageia" target="_blank">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search}}mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+Additionally: as Dimitrios already pointed out, search result links do<br>
+not work in Konqueror (just tried, confirmed).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think the point is to replace {{search}} with the query you want and assign the search to mageia, not to search about mageia</div></div>
+
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+2012/11/20 Anne Nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As some of you may have followed this on council meetings, we have signed a<br>
+&gt; contract with Duckduckgo, the search engine. They will give us 25% of the<br>
+&gt; monthly gross revenue generated from user traffic that originates from the<br>
+&gt; company links within each of the Partner Properties.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What we need to do is provides updates on browsers for cauldron and Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; including this:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search}}&amp;t=mageia" target="_blank">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search}}&amp;t=mageia</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>This link only lists other search systems. To get results about Mageia<br>
+the link is:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search}}mageia" target="_blank">https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search}}mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+Additionally: as Dimitrios already pointed out, search result links do<br>
+not work in Konqueror (just tried, confirmed).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think the point is to replace {{search}} with the query you want and assign the search to mageia, not to search about mageia</div></div>
+
+<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121120/a5a1917a/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20121120/a5a1917a/attachment-0001.html
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I am for moving to the ESR<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Original message-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>From: </b>Funda Wang &lt;fundawang@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>To: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Sent: </b>Wed, Nov 21, 2012 02:36:00 GMT+00:00<b><br>Subject: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?<br><br></div><div>I guess yes. There won&#39;t be 24.0esr before mga3.<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/21 Luc Menut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lmenut@free.fr" target="_blank">lmenut@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>

+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 20/11/2012 15:04, <a href="mailto:root@mageia.org" target="_blank">root@mageia.org</a> a écrit :<br>

+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

+Revision<br>

+    319742<br>

+Author<br>

+    dmorgan<br>

+Date<br>

+    2012-11-20 15:04:27 +0100 (Tue, 20 Nov 2012)<br>

+<br>

+<br>

+      Log Message<br>

+<br>

+New version 17.0<br>

+</blockquote>

+<br>

+[...]<br>

+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

+<br>

+Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst<br>

+==============================<u></u>==============================<u></u>=======<br>

+--- cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)<br>

++++ cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)<br>

+@@ -1 +1,2 @@<br>

+  0ffe96896583e92561b341330ab09d<u></u>dc50140dd1  firefox-16.0.2.source.tar.bz2<br>

++<u></u>4f5f175c1662d67f70e78403607d8e<u></u>da600efd8b  firefox-17.0.source.tar.bz2<br>

+<br>

+Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec<br>

+==============================<u></u>==============================<u></u>=======<br>

+--- cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)<br>

++++ cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)<br>

+@@ -10,7 +10,7 @@<br>

+  # Stay on ESR for stable releases and for cauldron before mageia 3.<br>

+  # /!\ Do not update more than FF 17 for mga3. /!\<br>

+<br>

+-%define major 16.0.2<br>

++%define major 17.0<br>

+</blockquote>

+<br>

+<br>

+<a href="http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq" target="_blank">http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/<u></u>firefox/organizations/faq</a><br>

+<br>

+Shouldn&#39;t we move now to the ESR branch for firefox and thunderbird, and use 17.0.x ESR versions in cauldron until mga3 release ?<br>

+<br>

+Regards,<br>

+Luc<br>

+</blockquote></div><br></div>

+</div></blockquote></body></html>

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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">I am for moving to the ESR<br><br><font color="#333333"><i><span style="font-size: 14px"><font face="sans-serif">Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T</font></span></i></font></div><br><br>-----Original message-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>From: </b>Funda Wang &lt;fundawang@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>To: </b>Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Sent: </b>Wed, Nov 21, 2012 02:36:00 GMT+00:00<b><br>Subject: </b>Re: [Mageia-dev] Firefox and Thunderbird ESR for Mga 3 ?<br><br></div><div>I guess yes. There won&#39;t be 24.0esr before mga3.<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/21 Luc Menut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lmenut@free.fr" target="_blank">lmenut@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>

+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 20/11/2012 15:04, <a href="mailto:root@mageia.org" target="_blank">root@mageia.org</a> a écrit :<br>

+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

+Revision<br>

+    319742<br>

+Author<br>

+    dmorgan<br>

+Date<br>

+    2012-11-20 15:04:27 +0100 (Tue, 20 Nov 2012)<br>

+<br>

+<br>

+      Log Message<br>

+<br>

+New version 17.0<br>

+</blockquote>

+<br>

+[...]<br>

+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

+<br>

+Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst<br>

+==============================<u></u>==============================<u></u>=======<br>

+--- cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)<br>

++++ cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)<br>

+@@ -1 +1,2 @@<br>

+  0ffe96896583e92561b341330ab09d<u></u>dc50140dd1  firefox-16.0.2.source.tar.bz2<br>

++<u></u>4f5f175c1662d67f70e78403607d8e<u></u>da600efd8b  firefox-17.0.source.tar.bz2<br>

+<br>

+Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec<br>

+==============================<u></u>==============================<u></u>=======<br>

+--- cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)<br>

++++ cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)<br>

+@@ -10,7 +10,7 @@<br>

+  # Stay on ESR for stable releases and for cauldron before mageia 3.<br>

+  # /!\ Do not update more than FF 17 for mga3. /!\<br>

+<br>

+-%define major 16.0.2<br>

++%define major 17.0<br>

+</blockquote>

+<br>

+<br>

+<a href="http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq" target="_blank">http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/<u></u>firefox/organizations/faq</a><br>

+<br>

+Shouldn&#39;t we move now to the ESR branch for firefox and thunderbird, and use 17.0.x ESR versions in cauldron until mga3 release ?<br>

+<br>

+Regards,<br>

+Luc<br>

+</blockquote></div><br></div>

+</div></blockquote></body></html>

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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I already have, the patch is in mga2.&nbsp; If it needs re-diffed it should be easy.&nbsp; Oden may have done it already in his local build.&nbsp; Anyway, I'll get to it eventually if you don't beat me to it.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 11/21/12, Thierry Vignaud <i>&lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nss-3.14-3.mga3<br>To: "Mageia development mailing-list" &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Cc: "David Walser" &lt;luigiwalser@yahoo.com&gt;<br>Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 6:48 AM<br><br><div class="plainMail">On 21 November 2012 04:34, luigiwalser &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org"
+ href="/mc/compose?to=buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; luigiwalser &lt;luigiwalser&gt; 2:3.14-3.mga3:<br>&gt; + Revision: 319957<br>&gt; - revert previous change<br><br>Fix firefox build then<br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I already have, the patch is in mga2.&nbsp; If it needs re-diffed it should be easy.&nbsp; Oden may have done it already in his local build.&nbsp; Anyway, I'll get to it eventually if you don't beat me to it.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 11/21/12, Thierry Vignaud <i>&lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Thierry Vignaud &lt;thierry.vignaud@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nss-3.14-3.mga3<br>To: "Mageia development mailing-list" &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;<br>Cc: "David Walser" &lt;luigiwalser@yahoo.com&gt;<br>Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 6:48 AM<br><br><div class="plainMail">On 21 November 2012 04:34, luigiwalser &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org"
+ href="/mc/compose?to=buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org">buildsystem-daemon@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; luigiwalser &lt;luigiwalser&gt; 2:3.14-3.mga3:<br>&gt; + Revision: 319957<br>&gt; - revert previous change<br><br>Fix firefox build then<br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table>
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+I guess yes. There won&#39;t be 24.0esr before mga3.<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/21 Luc Menut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lmenut@free.fr" target="_blank">lmenut@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 20/11/2012 15:04, <a href="mailto:root@mageia.org" target="_blank">root@mageia.org</a> a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Revision<br>
+    319742<br>
+Author<br>
+    dmorgan<br>
+Date<br>
+    2012-11-20 15:04:27 +0100 (Tue, 20 Nov 2012)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+      Log Message<br>
+<br>
+New version 17.0<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+[...]<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst<br>
+==============================<u></u>==============================<u></u>=======<br>
+--- cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)<br>
++++ cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)<br>
+@@ -1 +1,2 @@<br>
+  0ffe96896583e92561b341330ab09d<u></u>dc50140dd1  firefox-16.0.2.source.tar.bz2<br>
++<u></u>4f5f175c1662d67f70e78403607d8e<u></u>da600efd8b  firefox-17.0.source.tar.bz2<br>
+<br>
+Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec<br>
+==============================<u></u>==============================<u></u>=======<br>
+--- cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)<br>
++++ cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)<br>
+@@ -10,7 +10,7 @@<br>
+  # Stay on ESR for stable releases and for cauldron before mageia 3.<br>
+  # /!\ Do not update more than FF 17 for mga3. /!\<br>
+<br>
+-%define major 16.0.2<br>
++%define major 17.0<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq" target="_blank">http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/<u></u>firefox/organizations/faq</a><br>
+<br>
+Shouldn&#39;t we move now to the ESR branch for firefox and thunderbird, and use 17.0.x ESR versions in cauldron until mga3 release ?<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Luc<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+I guess yes. There won&#39;t be 24.0esr before mga3.<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/21 Luc Menut <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lmenut@free.fr" target="_blank">lmenut@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 20/11/2012 15:04, <a href="mailto:root@mageia.org" target="_blank">root@mageia.org</a> a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Revision<br>
+    319742<br>
+Author<br>
+    dmorgan<br>
+Date<br>
+    2012-11-20 15:04:27 +0100 (Tue, 20 Nov 2012)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+      Log Message<br>
+<br>
+New version 17.0<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+[...]<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst<br>
+==============================<u></u>==============================<u></u>=======<br>
+--- cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)<br>
++++ cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SOURCES/sha1.lst   2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)<br>
+@@ -1 +1,2 @@<br>
+  0ffe96896583e92561b341330ab09d<u></u>dc50140dd1  firefox-16.0.2.source.tar.bz2<br>
++<u></u>4f5f175c1662d67f70e78403607d8e<u></u>da600efd8b  firefox-17.0.source.tar.bz2<br>
+<br>
+Modified: cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec<br>
+==============================<u></u>==============================<u></u>=======<br>
+--- cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:03:42 UTC (rev 319741)<br>
++++ cauldron/firefox/current/<u></u>SPECS/firefox.spec 2012-11-20 14:04:27 UTC (rev 319742)<br>
+@@ -10,7 +10,7 @@<br>
+  # Stay on ESR for stable releases and for cauldron before mageia 3.<br>
+  # /!\ Do not update more than FF 17 for mga3. /!\<br>
+<br>
+-%define major 16.0.2<br>
++%define major 17.0<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq" target="_blank">http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/<u></u>firefox/organizations/faq</a><br>
+<br>
+Shouldn&#39;t we move now to the ESR branch for firefox and thunderbird, and use 17.0.x ESR versions in cauldron until mga3 release ?<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Luc<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+Le 23 nov. 2012 06:37, &quot;Robert Fox&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fr, 2012-11-23 at 06:14 -0300, John Balcaen wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; If the problem if with net_applet &amp; that networkmanager does work for<br>
+&gt; &gt; you under gnome, why not simply using the<br>
+&gt; &gt; plasma-applet-networkmanagement in kde ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; (You did of course report bug crash for the netapplet ? )<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will try the plasma-applet  . . .<br>
+[...]<br>
+You can install it and after simple enable it in the systray.( so no need to add the applet in the taskbar or on the desktop)</p>
+<p dir="ltr">-- <br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+</p>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+Le 23 nov. 2012 06:37, &quot;Robert Fox&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fr, 2012-11-23 at 06:14 -0300, John Balcaen wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; If the problem if with net_applet &amp; that networkmanager does work for<br>
+&gt; &gt; you under gnome, why not simply using the<br>
+&gt; &gt; plasma-applet-networkmanagement in kde ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; (You did of course report bug crash for the netapplet ? )<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will try the plasma-applet  . . .<br>
+[...]<br>
+You can install it and after simple enable it in the systray.( so no need to add the applet in the taskbar or on the desktop)</p>
+<p dir="ltr">-- <br>
+Balcaen John<br>
+</p>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+Le 23 nov. 2012 05:46, &quot;Robert Fox&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net" target="_blank">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There has been much discussion over the KDE NetApplet and the lack of<br>
+&gt; reliability with it - on my laptop (Thinkpad X220) it crashes regularly<br>
+&gt; and I can&#39;t get it to switch between WWAN0 and WLAN0 without failing.<br>
+&gt; Strangely, under Gnome - the Gnome network manager works flawlessly.  I<br>
+&gt; can easily start and stop the WiFi or UMTS connection without problems.<br>If the problem if with net_applet &amp; that networkmanager does work for you under gnome, why not simply using the plasma-applet-networkmanagement in kde ?</p>
+
+
+<p dir="ltr">(You did of course report bug crash for the netapplet ? )</p><p dir="ltr">-- </p><p dir="ltr">Balcaen John</p>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+Le 23 nov. 2012 05:46, &quot;Robert Fox&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:list@foxconsult.net" target="_blank">list@foxconsult.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There has been much discussion over the KDE NetApplet and the lack of<br>
+&gt; reliability with it - on my laptop (Thinkpad X220) it crashes regularly<br>
+&gt; and I can&#39;t get it to switch between WWAN0 and WLAN0 without failing.<br>
+&gt; Strangely, under Gnome - the Gnome network manager works flawlessly.  I<br>
+&gt; can easily start and stop the WiFi or UMTS connection without problems.<br>If the problem if with net_applet &amp; that networkmanager does work for you under gnome, why not simply using the plasma-applet-networkmanagement in kde ?</p>
+
+
+<p dir="ltr">(You did of course report bug crash for the netapplet ? )</p><p dir="ltr">-- </p><p dir="ltr">Balcaen John</p>
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+I don&#39;t have problem with people working in Mageia improvements and receive payment for it, because this improvement will be free software.<br><br>I remembered this blogpost about payment to develop poppler/Okular features - <a href="http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com.br/2012/06/free-software-free-to-pay.html">http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com.br/2012/06/free-software-free-to-pay.html</a><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/24 Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+24.11.2012 18:55, PhilippeDidier kirjutas:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; NO !<br>
+&gt; You mean someone is paid and create a third repo for something Mageia<br>
+&gt; doesn&#39;t want to import...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If that thing brings a mess into Mageia,  we will see bug reports in<br>
+&gt; bugzilla and lot of time lost by Mageia bug-triagers, devs, packagers,<br>
+&gt; before discovering that is not a Mageia problem but that this stuff<br>
+&gt; brought some shit !<br>
+&gt; We suffer of lack of time... and this will consume more time from<br>
+&gt; voluntary contributors to repair something badly done by someone that<br>
+&gt; was paid for it !<br>
+</div>Well, we have such repos already today and you can&#39;t stop something like that. But you saw<br>
+my example the wrong way. Mageia doesn&#39;t have to support those repos and problems caused by<br>
+such packages. I don&#39;t like such repos either and i hope that paid people fix things in our<br>
+repos.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Sander<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+I don&#39;t have problem with people working in Mageia improvements and receive payment for it, because this improvement will be free software.<br><br>I remembered this blogpost about payment to develop poppler/Okular features - <a href="http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com.br/2012/06/free-software-free-to-pay.html">http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com.br/2012/06/free-software-free-to-pay.html</a><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/24 Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+24.11.2012 18:55, PhilippeDidier kirjutas:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; NO !<br>
+&gt; You mean someone is paid and create a third repo for something Mageia<br>
+&gt; doesn&#39;t want to import...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If that thing brings a mess into Mageia,  we will see bug reports in<br>
+&gt; bugzilla and lot of time lost by Mageia bug-triagers, devs, packagers,<br>
+&gt; before discovering that is not a Mageia problem but that this stuff<br>
+&gt; brought some shit !<br>
+&gt; We suffer of lack of time... and this will consume more time from<br>
+&gt; voluntary contributors to repair something badly done by someone that<br>
+&gt; was paid for it !<br>
+</div>Well, we have such repos already today and you can&#39;t stop something like that. But you saw<br>
+my example the wrong way. Mageia doesn&#39;t have to support those repos and problems caused by<br>
+such packages. I don&#39;t like such repos either and i hope that paid people fix things in our<br>
+repos.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Sander<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/24 Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 11/24/2012 02:59 PM, John Balcaen wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Suggest here: drop all ifcfg configuration files and switch to keyfile plugin.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+OK, in the spirit of Anne&#39;s original question, can you tell us exactly what the keyfile plugin is and does, and how to use it ? I&#39;ll volunteer to do a fresh install and test it.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>The keyfile plugin as said earlier is the default &amp; native plugin to use with networkmanager [1]</div><div class="gmail_extra">In order to introduce nm on distribution using ifcfg files (redhat/fedora) the ifcfg-rh plugin has been wrote to read &amp; make nm able to use them (&amp; avoid interferences between nm &amp; the « old » scripts).</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">So to use it you simply need to configure networkmanager by editing /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">For example on my workstation i&#39;ve got :</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra">cat NetworkManager.conf </div><div class="gmail_extra">[main]</div><div class="gmail_extra">plugins=keyfile</div><div class="gmail_extra">dns=dnsmasq</div><div class="gmail_extra">
+
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">[keyfile]</div><div class="gmail_extra">hostname=<a href="http://aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net">aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net</a></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+
+it&#39;s mean that i&#39;m using the keyfile plugin (read [1] or man NetworkManager.conf for more details) &amp; ask nm to to also start dnsmasq for me.</div><div class="gmail_extra">I also setup the hostname to set in nm in the keyfile section.</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">There&#39;s also no need to do a « fresh » install to test/use it. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+
+[1] <a href="https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings">https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings</a><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/24 Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 11/24/2012 02:59 PM, John Balcaen wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Suggest here: drop all ifcfg configuration files and switch to keyfile plugin.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+OK, in the spirit of Anne&#39;s original question, can you tell us exactly what the keyfile plugin is and does, and how to use it ? I&#39;ll volunteer to do a fresh install and test it.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>The keyfile plugin as said earlier is the default &amp; native plugin to use with networkmanager [1]</div><div class="gmail_extra">In order to introduce nm on distribution using ifcfg files (redhat/fedora) the ifcfg-rh plugin has been wrote to read &amp; make nm able to use them (&amp; avoid interferences between nm &amp; the « old » scripts).</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">So to use it you simply need to configure networkmanager by editing /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">For example on my workstation i&#39;ve got :</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra">cat NetworkManager.conf </div><div class="gmail_extra">[main]</div><div class="gmail_extra">plugins=keyfile</div><div class="gmail_extra">dns=dnsmasq</div><div class="gmail_extra">
+
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">[keyfile]</div><div class="gmail_extra">hostname=<a href="http://aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net">aker.cauldron.lan.littleboboy.net</a></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+
+it&#39;s mean that i&#39;m using the keyfile plugin (read [1] or man NetworkManager.conf for more details) &amp; ask nm to to also start dnsmasq for me.</div><div class="gmail_extra">I also setup the hostname to set in nm in the keyfile section.</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">There&#39;s also no need to do a « fresh » install to test/use it. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+
+[1] <a href="https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings">https://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings</a><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
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+<p dir="ltr">Le 24 nov. 2012 16:39, &quot;Frank Griffin&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 11/24/2012 02:37 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 24/11/2012 05:36, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I haven&#39;t tested since, because this was the straw on the camel&#39;s back<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; that finally got me to pull enough teeth to find out that NM won&#39;t work<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; in KDE without manual intervention.  Once I got NM to work, I never went<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; back.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; For those of us still struggling to get wireless to work, can you give<br>
+&gt;&gt; more details, please?  Sorry if you have done so somewhere else and I<br>
+&gt;&gt; missed it.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I understand it, NM needs to parse ifcfg files to an internal format before it can work correctly with wireless.  I suspect there&#39;s a way to  do this with the NM CLI, but unless you speak NM well (I don&#39;t), it isn&#39;t really obvious.</p>
+
+<p dir="ltr">It&#39;s only happening if you choose to not change the default networkmanager configuration aka using the ifcfg plugin which means read only support for ifcfg files. I&#39;m personally using instead the keyfile plugin (the upstream default).<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It&#39;s easy in GNOME, as GNOME appears to detect that it needs to be done and does it silently.  So if you have GNOME installed, just log in to it, activate the interface from the dropdown at the top right, and log out again.<br>
+</p>
+<p dir="ltr">&gt; Otherwise, from KDE, you define the interface with drakconnect (MCC), selecting to allow NM to control it.  Then install plasma-applet-networkmanager (which is not installed by default for KDE because NM is not supposed to be the default for wireless yet). John Balcaen has posted that you don&#39;t need to add it to the panel (you can invoke it directly in some way I didn&#39;t follow), but before I read that I just used the panel toolbox widget  &quot;Add Widgets&quot; option, search on network&quot;, double-clicked to place it<br>
+
+&gt; on the panel, and invoked it from there.  Just tell it to connect the wireless, and the parse should be done automatically.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; IIRC, John also posted that knetworkmanager (invoked through KDE system settings) should do as well, but I&#39;m not sure whether the plasma-applet-networkmanager package was still required in that case. </p>
+<p dir="ltr">knetworkmanager is just the name of the source rpm and the original binary which is long dead...So currently it&#39;s just a virtual package pulling the plasma applet package. </p>
+<p dir="ltr">&gt; Something has probably changed since I did this, since my recollection is that the plasma applet showed a choice of interface controllers with NM selected by default, and that did the required parse.  In current cauldron, both the applet and knetworkmanager give me the same display, and neither mentions NM, so maybe both the panel icon and the system settings option are executing the same thing, and the plasma package was being used under the covers.<br>
+</p>
+<p dir="ltr">They&#39;re the same thing indeed. <br>
+&gt; I&#39;m a recent refugee to KDE from GNOME3, so there&#39;s a lot I don&#39;t find intuitive.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There are two questions for which I don&#39;t have answers.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Once you&#39;ve caused the parse to be done, you should be good to go for wireless on subsequent reboots for that SSID.  I&#39;m not sure whether it needs to be redone if you switch SSIDs, but the errors you get from NM if the parse *hasn&#39;t* been done refer to errors in an &quot;ifcfg-rh&quot; which appears to be independent of SSID.  So maybe it&#39;s a one-time thing, or maybe it&#39;s a one-time-per-SSID thing.<br>
+
+&gt;</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Suggest here: drop all ifcfg configuration files and switch to keyfile plugin. <br>
+</p>
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+<p dir="ltr">Le 24 nov. 2012 16:39, &quot;Frank Griffin&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 11/24/2012 02:37 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 24/11/2012 05:36, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I haven&#39;t tested since, because this was the straw on the camel&#39;s back<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; that finally got me to pull enough teeth to find out that NM won&#39;t work<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; in KDE without manual intervention.  Once I got NM to work, I never went<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; back.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; For those of us still struggling to get wireless to work, can you give<br>
+&gt;&gt; more details, please?  Sorry if you have done so somewhere else and I<br>
+&gt;&gt; missed it.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I understand it, NM needs to parse ifcfg files to an internal format before it can work correctly with wireless.  I suspect there&#39;s a way to  do this with the NM CLI, but unless you speak NM well (I don&#39;t), it isn&#39;t really obvious.</p>
+
+<p dir="ltr">It&#39;s only happening if you choose to not change the default networkmanager configuration aka using the ifcfg plugin which means read only support for ifcfg files. I&#39;m personally using instead the keyfile plugin (the upstream default).<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It&#39;s easy in GNOME, as GNOME appears to detect that it needs to be done and does it silently.  So if you have GNOME installed, just log in to it, activate the interface from the dropdown at the top right, and log out again.<br>
+</p>
+<p dir="ltr">&gt; Otherwise, from KDE, you define the interface with drakconnect (MCC), selecting to allow NM to control it.  Then install plasma-applet-networkmanager (which is not installed by default for KDE because NM is not supposed to be the default for wireless yet). John Balcaen has posted that you don&#39;t need to add it to the panel (you can invoke it directly in some way I didn&#39;t follow), but before I read that I just used the panel toolbox widget  &quot;Add Widgets&quot; option, search on network&quot;, double-clicked to place it<br>
+
+&gt; on the panel, and invoked it from there.  Just tell it to connect the wireless, and the parse should be done automatically.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; IIRC, John also posted that knetworkmanager (invoked through KDE system settings) should do as well, but I&#39;m not sure whether the plasma-applet-networkmanager package was still required in that case. </p>
+<p dir="ltr">knetworkmanager is just the name of the source rpm and the original binary which is long dead...So currently it&#39;s just a virtual package pulling the plasma applet package. </p>
+<p dir="ltr">&gt; Something has probably changed since I did this, since my recollection is that the plasma applet showed a choice of interface controllers with NM selected by default, and that did the required parse.  In current cauldron, both the applet and knetworkmanager give me the same display, and neither mentions NM, so maybe both the panel icon and the system settings option are executing the same thing, and the plasma package was being used under the covers.<br>
+</p>
+<p dir="ltr">They&#39;re the same thing indeed. <br>
+&gt; I&#39;m a recent refugee to KDE from GNOME3, so there&#39;s a lot I don&#39;t find intuitive.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There are two questions for which I don&#39;t have answers.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Once you&#39;ve caused the parse to be done, you should be good to go for wireless on subsequent reboots for that SSID.  I&#39;m not sure whether it needs to be redone if you switch SSIDs, but the errors you get from NM if the parse *hasn&#39;t* been done refer to errors in an &quot;ifcfg-rh&quot; which appears to be independent of SSID.  So maybe it&#39;s a one-time thing, or maybe it&#39;s a one-time-per-SSID thing.<br>
+
+&gt;</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Suggest here: drop all ifcfg configuration files and switch to keyfile plugin. <br>
+</p>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pagès <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br><br>I am trying to install some software and get the error:<br>&lt;&lt;<br> L&#39;installation a échoué, certains fichiers sont manquants :<br>
+
+    rsync://<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+
+
+Vous devriez mettre à jour votre base de données urpmi.<br><br>Essayer de continuer néanmoins ?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>(basically the rsync failed)<br><br>So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+
+
+<br>[Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted softwares?]<br><br></blockquote><div><br>About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down (or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had weeks ago, I don&#39;t know). Have Mageia&#39;s Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?<br>
+
+Thanks.<br><br>Jehan<br></div></div></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pagès <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br><br>I am trying to install some software and get the error:<br>&lt;&lt;<br> L&#39;installation a échoué, certains fichiers sont manquants :<br>
+
+    rsync://<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+
+
+Vous devriez mettre à jour votre base de données urpmi.<br><br>Essayer de continuer néanmoins ?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>(basically the rsync failed)<br><br>So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using the $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+
+
+<br>[Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted softwares?]<br><br></blockquote><div><br>About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down (or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had weeks ago, I don&#39;t know). Have Mageia&#39;s Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?<br>
+
+Thanks.<br><br>Jehan<br></div></div></div>
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+If Mageia won&#39;t accept the work that I just did packaging cinnamon, then bye, <br>bye Mageia.  I&#39;ve been working pretty closely with the Fedora people in getting<br>pyp2rpm working.   Pyp2rpm just went 1.0.0 and there was a mageia module<br>
+for it, but it looks like that someone else is going to have to maintain it.<br><br>Some parting words<br><br>1) You really need to do a better job communicating with new people.  I spent<br>several weeks just waiting for someone to contact me, and it&#39;s been a pain <br>
+trying to in touch with the community.  <br><br>2) I ended up packaging cinnamon for my own amusement.  I&#39;ve gotten it to<br>work quite nicely on my machine.  One thing that annoys me on in my day<br>job is spending more effort trying to get something done than to just do it.<br>
+<br>3) Something that you have to realize about volunteers is that volunteers are<br>volunteers.  In my day job, I get paid a large amount of money so that I do<br>what the boss tells me to do.  Unless you have that sort of money, there is <br>
+no reason for my to take orders from you.  You might be able to persuade me<br>to do something by being nice and flattery always works, but remember that<br>I&#39;m a volunteer, and you aren&#39;t the only project I can spend my time on.<br>
+<br>4) I like to program because it&#39;s fun.  I like packaging stuff because it&#39;s <br>interesting.  If you make it so that it isn&#39;t fun and you don&#39;t pay me $$$$,<br>then there is no reason to do it.  At work, I have to take orders.  Boss tells<br>
+me to do something and I don&#39;t do it, I get fired and I lose my $$$$.  Unless<br>you are paying me, there&#39;s no reason why I have to listen to you.<br><br>5) One reason I wanted to package cinnamon is that the cinnamon people<br>
+are *nice people*.  There is this annoying bug on my machine, but since they<br>are nice, I might just pull out the debugger and fix it.  The problem with not<br>being *nice* is that if you push away newbies, then you don&#39;t have people to <br>
+work on these things.<br><br>6) The big reason I haven&#39;t posted before is that I like to code.  I hate politics.<br>I hate mailing list flames.  I hate discussions.  I just want to make things work<br>on my machine.  I&#39;ll endure politics, mailing list flames, long winded discussions<br>
+if there is a reason for it.  Rather than spending 12 hours trying to discussion<br>whether to package cinnamon, I just rolled up my sleeves and I did it.  It&#39;s not <br>ready for &quot;prime time&quot; because there is an annoying bug involved with it, but I was<br>
+planning on rolling up my sleeves and fixing that bug.<br><br>Anyway, gnome is in a death spiral<br><br>no volunteers -&gt; more politics -&gt; fewer volunteers -&gt; even more politics<br><br>I&#39;ve used Mageia long enough so that it would be a shame if it went into the <br>
+same death spiral.  But it&#39;s not my problem.  I just want to have fun and<br>code.<br><br>Coding is fun.  Office politics isn&#39;t.  I&#39;m looking for somewhere that I can <br>code and play without office politics.  I was hoping that Mageia was that<br>
+place, but it looks like it isn&#39;t......<br><br><br>
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+If Mageia won&#39;t accept the work that I just did packaging cinnamon, then bye, <br>bye Mageia.  I&#39;ve been working pretty closely with the Fedora people in getting<br>pyp2rpm working.   Pyp2rpm just went 1.0.0 and there was a mageia module<br>
+for it, but it looks like that someone else is going to have to maintain it.<br><br>Some parting words<br><br>1) You really need to do a better job communicating with new people.  I spent<br>several weeks just waiting for someone to contact me, and it&#39;s been a pain <br>
+trying to in touch with the community.  <br><br>2) I ended up packaging cinnamon for my own amusement.  I&#39;ve gotten it to<br>work quite nicely on my machine.  One thing that annoys me on in my day<br>job is spending more effort trying to get something done than to just do it.<br>
+<br>3) Something that you have to realize about volunteers is that volunteers are<br>volunteers.  In my day job, I get paid a large amount of money so that I do<br>what the boss tells me to do.  Unless you have that sort of money, there is <br>
+no reason for my to take orders from you.  You might be able to persuade me<br>to do something by being nice and flattery always works, but remember that<br>I&#39;m a volunteer, and you aren&#39;t the only project I can spend my time on.<br>
+<br>4) I like to program because it&#39;s fun.  I like packaging stuff because it&#39;s <br>interesting.  If you make it so that it isn&#39;t fun and you don&#39;t pay me $$$$,<br>then there is no reason to do it.  At work, I have to take orders.  Boss tells<br>
+me to do something and I don&#39;t do it, I get fired and I lose my $$$$.  Unless<br>you are paying me, there&#39;s no reason why I have to listen to you.<br><br>5) One reason I wanted to package cinnamon is that the cinnamon people<br>
+are *nice people*.  There is this annoying bug on my machine, but since they<br>are nice, I might just pull out the debugger and fix it.  The problem with not<br>being *nice* is that if you push away newbies, then you don&#39;t have people to <br>
+work on these things.<br><br>6) The big reason I haven&#39;t posted before is that I like to code.  I hate politics.<br>I hate mailing list flames.  I hate discussions.  I just want to make things work<br>on my machine.  I&#39;ll endure politics, mailing list flames, long winded discussions<br>
+if there is a reason for it.  Rather than spending 12 hours trying to discussion<br>whether to package cinnamon, I just rolled up my sleeves and I did it.  It&#39;s not <br>ready for &quot;prime time&quot; because there is an annoying bug involved with it, but I was<br>
+planning on rolling up my sleeves and fixing that bug.<br><br>Anyway, gnome is in a death spiral<br><br>no volunteers -&gt; more politics -&gt; fewer volunteers -&gt; even more politics<br><br>I&#39;ve used Mageia long enough so that it would be a shame if it went into the <br>
+same death spiral.  But it&#39;s not my problem.  I just want to have fun and<br>code.<br><br>Coding is fun.  Office politics isn&#39;t.  I&#39;m looking for somewhere that I can <br>code and play without office politics.  I was hoping that Mageia was that<br>
+place, but it looks like it isn&#39;t......<br><br><br>
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+Hello,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Well you&#39;ve clearly put a lot of work into this. While we have decided<br>
+in the short term to not support cinnamon, this is not necessarily a<br>
+&quot;forever&quot; decision, however at this stage of the release, it&#39;s likely<br>
+one that will not be able to be reverted until post-mga3, and even then<br>
+there is no guarantee.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div>I am jumping into the middle of this, so I am sure to get flamed, but why not do the obvious thing and put it in contribs for the time being? That should deal with the QA and support issues and at the same time the work will not be lost. It would also let cinnamon mature a bit. <br>
+<br>Best, <br><br>Jan<br><br><br>
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+Hello,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Well you&#39;ve clearly put a lot of work into this. While we have decided<br>
+in the short term to not support cinnamon, this is not necessarily a<br>
+&quot;forever&quot; decision, however at this stage of the release, it&#39;s likely<br>
+one that will not be able to be reverted until post-mga3, and even then<br>
+there is no guarantee.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div>I am jumping into the middle of this, so I am sure to get flamed, but why not do the obvious thing and put it in contribs for the time being? That should deal with the QA and support issues and at the same time the work will not be lost. It would also let cinnamon mature a bit. <br>
+<br>Best, <br><br>Jan<br><br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Monday, November 26, 2012 10:49:43 PM Joseph Wang wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I really don't think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  There are some pretty major bugs in it, and it's not ready for prime time.  It would be useful to keep it in the testing section, and then target it for Mageia 4. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br />Hi Joseph,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I read some of your posts. And I believe that your work is good. I think that somebody refusing to put some softwares to cauldron is because cauldron will be freezed a short time in a near future, and it would be generated to a stable Mageia 3 distro. And after that, the cauldron will burn and boil again. That time is a pathway to Mageia 4, so the people(most of us have job) have more time to test cinnamon.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am so lucky because I learn to package a software and it works perfectly. So my mentor Jose and another packager Funda Wang put it into cauldron. But I still do not have my account to do that directly, and I need more experience and try to pack and patch more. But I am still very happy cause it has a lot of fun.</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Monday, November 26, 2012 10:49:43 PM Joseph Wang wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I really don't think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  There are some pretty major bugs in it, and it's not ready for prime time.  It would be useful to keep it in the testing section, and then target it for Mageia 4. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br />Hi Joseph,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I read some of your posts. And I believe that your work is good. I think that somebody refusing to put some softwares to cauldron is because cauldron will be freezed a short time in a near future, and it would be generated to a stable Mageia 3 distro. And after that, the cauldron will burn and boil again. That time is a pathway to Mageia 4, so the people(most of us have job) have more time to test cinnamon.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am so lucky because I learn to package a software and it works perfectly. So my mentor Jose and another packager Funda Wang put it into cauldron. But I still do not have my account to do that directly, and I need more experience and try to pack and patch more. But I am still very happy cause it has a lot of fun.</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Joseph Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joequant@gmail.com" target="_blank">joequant@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">&gt; This is true, and there is no doubt that we need more resources, but in<br>
+&gt; this case it could cost more than it gains. We have had issues in the<br>
+&gt; past of the packages for these alternative DEs causing issues for the<br>
+&gt; core DEs due to the packages satisfying dep&#39;s required by the core packages.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I don&#39;t think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  However if we have<br>
+a situation<br>
+in which it&#39;s impossible to package a new DE even in an experimental setting,<br>
+then we have a pretty serious problem.  That locks Mageia to GNOME and KDE,<br>
+and GNOME is self-destructing.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You can package it to updates_testing in cauldron, this will not go into mageia 3</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Joseph Wang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joequant@gmail.com" target="_blank">joequant@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">&gt; This is true, and there is no doubt that we need more resources, but in<br>
+&gt; this case it could cost more than it gains. We have had issues in the<br>
+&gt; past of the packages for these alternative DEs causing issues for the<br>
+&gt; core DEs due to the packages satisfying dep&#39;s required by the core packages.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I don&#39;t think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  However if we have<br>
+a situation<br>
+in which it&#39;s impossible to package a new DE even in an experimental setting,<br>
+then we have a pretty serious problem.  That locks Mageia to GNOME and KDE,<br>
+and GNOME is self-destructing.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You can package it to updates_testing in cauldron, this will not go into mageia 3</div></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">2012/11/26 Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+
+
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I am trying to install some software and get the error:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;&lt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  L&#39;installation a échoué, certains fichiers sont manquants :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rsync://<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+
+
+&gt;&gt; Vous devriez mettre à jour votre base de données urpmi.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Essayer de continuer néanmoins ?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; (basically the rsync failed)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using<br>
+&gt;&gt; the $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; [Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I<br>
+&gt;&gt; wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted<br>
+&gt;&gt; softwares?]<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down<br>
+&gt; (or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had weeks<br>
+&gt; ago, I don&#39;t know). Have Mageia&#39;s Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?<br>
+&gt; Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>The mirror is not down, you are using a wrong address. The correct<br>
+address for the Mageia mirror is<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/</a><br>
+(in your link the /Linux/ is missing)<br>
+<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for the answer. That was a copy-paste I did at the time though, so it was definitely not me who explicitely wrote it. If I remember, this one was what gave me the $MIRRORLIST at the time. Anyway that was not this mirror I was speaking about in my email just now because it apparently disappeared from the source management software! In the list of specific mirror, there is now only 1 remaining Japanese mirror: JAIST.<br>
+
+<br>I just tried it again, all &quot;Tainted *&quot; mirror from JAIST are broken (curl fail). For instance:<br><a href="http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release">http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release</a><br>
+
+<br>As I said the other day, if the only broken mirrors are the tainted ones (all of them, and none of the rest), that may be on purpose. Shouldn&#39;t someone contact JAIST?<br><br>Jehan<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<span class=""><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">2012/11/26 Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+
+
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I am trying to install some software and get the error:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;&lt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  L&#39;installation a échoué, certains fichiers sont manquants :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rsync://<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+
+
+&gt;&gt; Vous devriez mettre à jour votre base de données urpmi.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Essayer de continuer néanmoins ?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; (basically the rsync failed)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using<br>
+&gt;&gt; the $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; [Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I<br>
+&gt;&gt; wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted<br>
+&gt;&gt; softwares?]<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down<br>
+&gt; (or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had weeks<br>
+&gt; ago, I don&#39;t know). Have Mageia&#39;s Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?<br>
+&gt; Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>The mirror is not down, you are using a wrong address. The correct<br>
+address for the Mageia mirror is<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/</a><br>
+(in your link the /Linux/ is missing)<br>
+<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for the answer. That was a copy-paste I did at the time though, so it was definitely not me who explicitely wrote it. If I remember, this one was what gave me the $MIRRORLIST at the time. Anyway that was not this mirror I was speaking about in my email just now because it apparently disappeared from the source management software! In the list of specific mirror, there is now only 1 remaining Japanese mirror: JAIST.<br>
+
+<br>I just tried it again, all &quot;Tainted *&quot; mirror from JAIST are broken (curl fail). For instance:<br><a href="http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release">http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release</a><br>
+
+<br>As I said the other day, if the only broken mirrors are the tainted ones (all of them, and none of the rest), that may be on purpose. Shouldn&#39;t someone contact JAIST?<br><br>Jehan<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<span class=""><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hi all,<br><br>I&#39;ve uploaded the packages needed to get cinnamon working with Mageia.  These include<br><br>cinnamon<br>nemo<br>muffin<br>task-cinnamon<br><br>I don&#39;t have submission privileges so I&#39;ll need someone to review the packages and then kick<br>
+off the build.<br><br>It&#39;s a lot nicer than gnome3.   I&#39;m in the process of trying to figure out how to package some<br>extra themes and applets.<br>
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+Hi all,<br><br>I&#39;ve uploaded the packages needed to get cinnamon working with Mageia.  These include<br><br>cinnamon<br>nemo<br>muffin<br>task-cinnamon<br><br>I don&#39;t have submission privileges so I&#39;ll need someone to review the packages and then kick<br>
+off the build.<br><br>It&#39;s a lot nicer than gnome3.   I&#39;m in the process of trying to figure out how to package some<br>extra themes and applets.<br>
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+On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:51 PM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div id=":1jh">Hmm, have you missed that there will be no Cinnamon in Mageia repos?<br>
+Part of packagers &quot;job&quot; is to keep eye on the dev ml.</div></blockquote></div><br>Maybe I&#39;ll stay on for another day or so.  I&#39;ve been using Mageia/Mandriva for years,<br>and so I&#39;ll keep it on my disk for another two or three days.<br>
+<br>Let me tell you about my day.  I go to work, I work for 12 hours a day.  I come<br>home.  On a good day, I have maybe an hour or two to work on my hobby.  <br>I might have a few hours to work on weekends.  But I have a *job* and *kids*.<br>
+<br>I find coding relaxing.  I find packaging relaxing and educational.  I&#39;ve actually<br>learned a lot about rpm.  I&#39;ve also learned a lot about how cinnamon works.<br><br>But I have a *job*.  Here I&#39;m a volunteer.  I got cinnamon working for my own <br>
+amusement.  if I have to spend lots of time keeping track of e-mail discussions, <br>then I&#39;m just not going to have the time to do anything &quot;real.&quot;  I find coding *fun*.<br>I find office politics and taking orders *not fun*.<br>
+<br>And I&#39;ve been quiet, because I&#39;m a newbie.  I keep my mouth shut, and watch<br>what&#39;s going on before I say anything.  If I feel like I fit in, I stay.  If not, I don&#39;t.<br><br>I have a dozen or so packages in the queue.  I&#39;ve been working with the Fedora <br>
+to get a python to rpm conversion script working, and I have about a dozen<br>python packages that are ready to be uploaded.  I&#39;m interested in creating a first<br>rate platform for astronomy.  I&#39;ve got ds9 working.  I&#39;ve packaged glamor, and I&#39;ve<br>
+gotten an open source ati driver working for Radeonsi.  I want to start<br>packaging heavy duty astrophysics code on Mageia.<br><br>If you find this useful.  Then take it.  If not, I&#39;ll find somewhere else. Say thank you<br>
+and smile at me, and I&#39;m a sucker, and I&#39;ll keep doing it.<br><br>But remember I have a *job*.  If this starts feeling like *work* then there&#39;s no <br>reason for me to be here.  I&#39;ll put up with some politics if it means getting something <br>
+useful done in the end, and I&#39;ll spend a lot of time if I learn something, but my<br>time is precious, and I could have been spending the last hour trying to get some<br>more themes packaged rather than writing useless e-mail (and I hate e-mail,<br>
+I get enough of this non-sense at work).<br><br>I&#39;ve been using Mageia/Mandriva for years, so I&#39;ll wait a few days before wiping <br>my disk to see how people react.  I&#39;ll keep packaging and debugging stuff.  I<br>
+*will* work on cinnamon, because I think it&#39;s a cool desktop.  There is one major<br>bug, that I&#39;d like to help fix.  You can&#39;t tell me to stop working on cinnamon.<br><br>You can keep cinnamon out of the distribution, but that&#39;s up to you.....<br>
+<br>Also, in case someone wants to have a discussion rather than *ordering* me <br>to do something....  <br><br>I really don&#39;t think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  There are some pretty<br>major bugs in it, and it&#39;s not ready for prime time.  It would be useful to keep it<br>
+in the testing section, and then target it for Mageia 4.  I do think it would be a<br>good idea to at least start looking at alternatives to Gnome 3 since they are <br>self-destructing, and I&#39;ve been *extremely* impressed by cinnamon (minus two<br>
+annoying bugs which I&#39;m trying to fix).<br><br><br><br><br><br>
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+On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:51 PM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-dev-request@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-dev-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div id=":1jh">Hmm, have you missed that there will be no Cinnamon in Mageia repos?<br>
+Part of packagers &quot;job&quot; is to keep eye on the dev ml.</div></blockquote></div><br>Maybe I&#39;ll stay on for another day or so.  I&#39;ve been using Mageia/Mandriva for years,<br>and so I&#39;ll keep it on my disk for another two or three days.<br>
+<br>Let me tell you about my day.  I go to work, I work for 12 hours a day.  I come<br>home.  On a good day, I have maybe an hour or two to work on my hobby.  <br>I might have a few hours to work on weekends.  But I have a *job* and *kids*.<br>
+<br>I find coding relaxing.  I find packaging relaxing and educational.  I&#39;ve actually<br>learned a lot about rpm.  I&#39;ve also learned a lot about how cinnamon works.<br><br>But I have a *job*.  Here I&#39;m a volunteer.  I got cinnamon working for my own <br>
+amusement.  if I have to spend lots of time keeping track of e-mail discussions, <br>then I&#39;m just not going to have the time to do anything &quot;real.&quot;  I find coding *fun*.<br>I find office politics and taking orders *not fun*.<br>
+<br>And I&#39;ve been quiet, because I&#39;m a newbie.  I keep my mouth shut, and watch<br>what&#39;s going on before I say anything.  If I feel like I fit in, I stay.  If not, I don&#39;t.<br><br>I have a dozen or so packages in the queue.  I&#39;ve been working with the Fedora <br>
+to get a python to rpm conversion script working, and I have about a dozen<br>python packages that are ready to be uploaded.  I&#39;m interested in creating a first<br>rate platform for astronomy.  I&#39;ve got ds9 working.  I&#39;ve packaged glamor, and I&#39;ve<br>
+gotten an open source ati driver working for Radeonsi.  I want to start<br>packaging heavy duty astrophysics code on Mageia.<br><br>If you find this useful.  Then take it.  If not, I&#39;ll find somewhere else. Say thank you<br>
+and smile at me, and I&#39;m a sucker, and I&#39;ll keep doing it.<br><br>But remember I have a *job*.  If this starts feeling like *work* then there&#39;s no <br>reason for me to be here.  I&#39;ll put up with some politics if it means getting something <br>
+useful done in the end, and I&#39;ll spend a lot of time if I learn something, but my<br>time is precious, and I could have been spending the last hour trying to get some<br>more themes packaged rather than writing useless e-mail (and I hate e-mail,<br>
+I get enough of this non-sense at work).<br><br>I&#39;ve been using Mageia/Mandriva for years, so I&#39;ll wait a few days before wiping <br>my disk to see how people react.  I&#39;ll keep packaging and debugging stuff.  I<br>
+*will* work on cinnamon, because I think it&#39;s a cool desktop.  There is one major<br>bug, that I&#39;d like to help fix.  You can&#39;t tell me to stop working on cinnamon.<br><br>You can keep cinnamon out of the distribution, but that&#39;s up to you.....<br>
+<br>Also, in case someone wants to have a discussion rather than *ordering* me <br>to do something....  <br><br>I really don&#39;t think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3.  There are some pretty<br>major bugs in it, and it&#39;s not ready for prime time.  It would be useful to keep it<br>
+in the testing section, and then target it for Mageia 4.  I do think it would be a<br>good idea to at least start looking at alternatives to Gnome 3 since they are <br>self-destructing, and I&#39;ve been *extremely* impressed by cinnamon (minus two<br>
+annoying bugs which I&#39;m trying to fix).<br><br><br><br><br><br>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26.11.2012 19:52, Guillaume Rousse
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:50B3BA61.1030806@gmail.com" type="cite">Le
+      26/11/2012 15:07, Joseph Wang a &eacute;crit :
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">If Mageia won't accept the work that I
+        just did packaging cinnamon, then
+        <br>
+        bye,
+        <br>
+        bye Mageia.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      See you.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    Emotional blackmail is a form of psychological manipulation - it is
+    "the use of a system of threats and punishment on a person by
+    someone close to them in an attempt to control their behavior".[1]
+    "Emotional blackmail... typically involves two people who have
+    established a close personal or intimate relationship (mother and
+    daughter, husband and wife, sister and sister, two close
+    friends)."[2] When subjected to emotional blackmail, "we become the
+    other's emotional hostage". As Jean Baudrillard puts it: "If you
+    don't give me that, you will be responsible for my breakdown".[3]<br>
+    <br>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
+    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_blackmail">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_blackmail</a>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26.11.2012 19:52, Guillaume Rousse
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:50B3BA61.1030806@gmail.com" type="cite">Le
+      26/11/2012 15:07, Joseph Wang a &eacute;crit :
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">If Mageia won't accept the work that I
+        just did packaging cinnamon, then
+        <br>
+        bye,
+        <br>
+        bye Mageia.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      See you.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    Emotional blackmail is a form of psychological manipulation - it is
+    "the use of a system of threats and punishment on a person by
+    someone close to them in an attempt to control their behavior".[1]
+    "Emotional blackmail... typically involves two people who have
+    established a close personal or intimate relationship (mother and
+    daughter, husband and wife, sister and sister, two close
+    friends)."[2] When subjected to emotional blackmail, "we become the
+    other's emotional hostage". As Jean Baudrillard puts it: "If you
+    don't give me that, you will be responsible for my breakdown".[3]<br>
+    <br>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
+    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_blackmail">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_blackmail</a>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+There has already been zillions of discussions about this. We will not<br>
+have Cinnamon. We already have enough environments and not enough<br>
+maintainers. And it will cause troubles maintaining different versions.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I volunteer to maintain cinnamon.  I&#39;ve already ported it from fedora.  I did<br>it because no one told me not to do it.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Please try to follow this. An open source project does not mean anybody<br>
+can do whatever he wants. We must keep some kind of logic and stay<br>
+realistic given the resources we have at the moment.<br></blockquote><div><br>There&#39;s this thing about not pushing away resources that are being volunteered.<br><br>I&#39;ve packaged cinnamon because I want to install it on my own machine. I spent<br>
+10-12 hours a day taking orders from my boss, and working on community projects<br>is the way that I relax.  If you want to use my work then that&#39;s great.  If it turns out<br>that the X hours that I put into making cinnamon work on mageia is a waste, then<br>
+I&#39;ll wipe mageia and install fedora or ubuntu or scientific linux or mint.<br><br>I have very little tolerance for politics or long winded discussions or strategy <br>discussion.  I get enough of that in my day job.  I&#39;ve just packaged cinnamon and <br>
+nemo.  If someone says thank you, provides some suggestions for fixing things, <br>and then takes it, I&#39;ll be happy.  If not, then I&#39;ll wipe my disk and work on another distro.<br><br>So what do you want me to do?<br>
+<br><br><br><br></div></div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+There has already been zillions of discussions about this. We will not<br>
+have Cinnamon. We already have enough environments and not enough<br>
+maintainers. And it will cause troubles maintaining different versions.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I volunteer to maintain cinnamon.  I&#39;ve already ported it from fedora.  I did<br>it because no one told me not to do it.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Please try to follow this. An open source project does not mean anybody<br>
+can do whatever he wants. We must keep some kind of logic and stay<br>
+realistic given the resources we have at the moment.<br></blockquote><div><br>There&#39;s this thing about not pushing away resources that are being volunteered.<br><br>I&#39;ve packaged cinnamon because I want to install it on my own machine. I spent<br>
+10-12 hours a day taking orders from my boss, and working on community projects<br>is the way that I relax.  If you want to use my work then that&#39;s great.  If it turns out<br>that the X hours that I put into making cinnamon work on mageia is a waste, then<br>
+I&#39;ll wipe mageia and install fedora or ubuntu or scientific linux or mint.<br><br>I have very little tolerance for politics or long winded discussions or strategy <br>discussion.  I get enough of that in my day job.  I&#39;ve just packaged cinnamon and <br>
+nemo.  If someone says thank you, provides some suggestions for fixing things, <br>and then takes it, I&#39;ll be happy.  If not, then I&#39;ll wipe my disk and work on another distro.<br><br>So what do you want me to do?<br>
+<br><br><br><br></div></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2012/11/26 Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+
+
+<div><div>&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I am trying to install some software and get the error:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;&lt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  L&#39;installation a échoué, certains fichiers sont manquants :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rsync://<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt; Vous devriez mettre à jour votre base de données urpmi.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Essayer de continuer néanmoins ?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; (basically the rsync failed)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using<br>
+&gt;&gt; the $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; [Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I<br>
+&gt;&gt; wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted<br>
+&gt;&gt; softwares?]<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down<br>
+&gt; (or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had weeks<br>
+&gt; ago, I don&#39;t know). Have Mageia&#39;s Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?<br>
+&gt; Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>The mirror is not down, you are using a wrong address. The correct<br>
+address for the Mageia mirror is<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/</a><br>
+(in your link the /Linux/ is missing)<br>
+<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for the answer. That was a copy-paste I did at the time though, so it was definitely  <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<span><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2012/11/26 Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+
+
+<div><div>&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jehan Pagès &lt;<a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I am trying to install some software and get the error:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;&lt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;  L&#39;installation a échoué, certains fichiers sont manquants :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; rsync://<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/mageia/distrib/2/x86_64/media/tainted/release/mencoder-1.0-1.rc4.0.r34578.9.mga2.tainted.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt; Vous devriez mettre à jour votre base de données urpmi.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Essayer de continuer néanmoins ?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; (basically the rsync failed)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; So I guess the repo is down, hopefully temporarily. I went to the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;configure media sources&quot; UI and &quot;add a specific media mirror&quot; (was using<br>
+&gt;&gt; the $MIRRORLIST default until now).<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; [Side-note: the other mirror in Japan also had faulty tainted repos. I<br>
+&gt;&gt; wonder if there is a problem with Japan politics maybe about tainted<br>
+&gt;&gt; softwares?]<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; About my side note, I realize today that Japanese servers seem still down<br>
+&gt; (or &quot;again&quot;? Since I used alternate servers since this problem I had weeks<br>
+&gt; ago, I don&#39;t know). Have Mageia&#39;s Japanese contributor abandonned Mageia?<br>
+&gt; Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>The mirror is not down, you are using a wrong address. The correct<br>
+address for the Mageia mirror is<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/" target="_blank">ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/mageia/distrib/2/</a><br>
+(in your link the /Linux/ is missing)<br>
+<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for the answer. That was a copy-paste I did at the time though, so it was definitely  <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<span><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Jan Ciger skrev 26.11.2012 16:33:<br><br>
+<br>
+Ummm.. we dont have any &quot;Contribs&quot; media :)<br></blockquote><div><br><br></div></div>Oops. I guess my Mandriva past shows. Maybe it would be an opportunity to start it then - there is non-free and tainted already. Having a repo for such community-contributed software with a big UNSUPPORTED disclaimer would be useful.<br>
+<br>/* crawls back under his rock */<br><br>J.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Jan Ciger skrev 26.11.2012 16:33:<br><br>
+<br>
+Ummm.. we dont have any &quot;Contribs&quot; media :)<br></blockquote><div><br><br></div></div>Oops. I guess my Mandriva past shows. Maybe it would be an opportunity to start it then - there is non-free and tainted already. Having a repo for such community-contributed software with a big UNSUPPORTED disclaimer would be useful.<br>
+<br>/* crawls back under his rock */<br><br>J.<br>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Monday 26. November 2012 14.50, Jehan Pagès wrote:<br>
+&gt; I just tried it again, all &quot;Tainted *&quot; mirror from JAIST are broken<br>
+<br>
+</div>Mirroring «Tainted» is not required because it contains patented software, and in some countries distributing patented software without a patent license is illegal.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>I see. Well would be nice to have a UI change to say this. Because the user experience right now is not great (basically &quot;damn the installation fails&quot;). :-)<br>
+
+<br>Jehan<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Monday 26. November 2012 14.50, Jehan Pagès wrote:<br>
+&gt; I just tried it again, all &quot;Tainted *&quot; mirror from JAIST are broken<br>
+<br>
+</div>Mirroring «Tainted» is not required because it contains patented software, and in some countries distributing patented software without a patent license is illegal.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>I see. Well would be nice to have a UI change to say this. Because the user experience right now is not great (basically &quot;damn the installation fails&quot;). :-)<br>
+
+<br>Jehan<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I was trying to find
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+Revision: 322135
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 14:37:50 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+fix someones CAT_GNOME typo
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:30:50 UTC (rev 322134)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:37:50 UTC (rev 322135)
+@@ -159,7 +159,7 @@
+ CAT_AUDIO
+   5 task-pulseaudio gstreamer0.10-pulse packagekit-gstreamer-plugin
+   5 CAT_KDE kscd amarok
+-  5 CAT_KDE || CAT GNOME || CAT_XFCE audacity ardour
++  5 CAT_KDE || CAT_GNOME || CAT_XFCE audacity ardour
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+
+&lt;h3&gt;Log Message&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;pre&gt;fix someones CAT_GNOME typo&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:30:50 UTC (rev 322134)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:37:50 UTC (rev 322135)
+@@ -159,7 +159,7 @@
+ CAT_AUDIO
+   5 task-pulseaudio gstreamer0.10-pulse packagekit-gstreamer-plugin
+   5 CAT_KDE kscd amarok
+-  5 CAT_KDE || CAT GNOME || CAT_XFCE audacity ardour
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+   5 CAT_GNOME rhythmbox
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+Revision: 322134
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 14:30:50 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+icewm-light,xguest: not needed for GNOME
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:28:55 UTC (rev 322133)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:30:50 UTC (rev 322134)
+@@ -593,8 +593,8 @@
+ CAT_BOOKS
+ 
+ CAT_X
+-  5 task-x11 xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1 xguest
+-  5 !CAT_GNOME xdm
++  5 task-x11 xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1
++  5 !CAT_GNOME xdm xguest icewm-light
+   5 !CAT_KDE !CAT_GNOME !CAT_XFCE !CAT_LXDE xterm
+ 
+   5 gurpmi rpmdrake drakconf userdrake fonts-ttf-decoratives fonts-ttf-west_european
+@@ -602,7 +602,7 @@
+     mgaonline  bootsplash 
+     s2u 
+ 
+-  5 icewm-light monitor-edid
++  5 monitor-edid
+   5 HIGH_SECURITY mountloop
+   5 LOCALES&quot;ja&quot; ibus-mozc
+   5 LOCALES&quot;ko&quot; ibus-hangul
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+
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+&lt;pre&gt;icewm-light,xguest: not needed for GNOME&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:28:55 UTC (rev 322133)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:30:50 UTC (rev 322134)
+@@ -593,8 +593,8 @@
+ CAT_BOOKS
+ 
+ CAT_X
+-  5 task-x11 xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1 xguest
+-  5 !CAT_GNOME xdm
++  5 task-x11 xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1
++  5 !CAT_GNOME xdm xguest icewm-light
+   5 !CAT_KDE !CAT_GNOME !CAT_XFCE !CAT_LXDE xterm
+ 
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+@@ -602,7 +602,7 @@
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+     s2u 
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++  5 monitor-edid
+   5 HIGH_SECURITY mountloop
+   5 LOCALES&amp;quot;ja&amp;quot; ibus-mozc
+   5 LOCALES&amp;quot;ko&amp;quot; ibus-hangul
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+Revision: 322117
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:43:33 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+xlockmore: remove, GNOME provides its own specific locking
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:41:20 UTC (rev 322116)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:43:33 UTC (rev 322117)
+@@ -58,7 +58,7 @@
+   5 CAT_GRAPHICS || PHOTO shotwell
+   3 dconf-editor
+   5 eog gnome-color-manager
+-  4 gucharmap xlockmore tracker
++  4 gucharmap tracker
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+&lt;dt&gt;Author&lt;/dt&gt; &lt;dd&gt;ovitters&lt;/dd&gt;
+&lt;dt&gt;Date&lt;/dt&gt; &lt;dd&gt;2012-11-26 12:43:33 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)&lt;/dd&gt;
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+
+&lt;h3&gt;Log Message&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;pre&gt;xlockmore: remove, GNOME provides its own specific locking&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:41:20 UTC (rev 322116)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:43:33 UTC (rev 322117)
+@@ -58,7 +58,7 @@
+   5 CAT_GRAPHICS || PHOTO shotwell
+   3 dconf-editor
+   5 eog gnome-color-manager
+-  4 gucharmap xlockmore tracker
++  4 gucharmap tracker
+   4 transmission-gtk
+   4 CAT_THEMES gnome-themes-extras 
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+Revision: 322116
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:41:20 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+dconf-editor: use instead of gconf-editor
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:39:20 UTC (rev 322115)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:41:20 UTC (rev 322116)
+@@ -56,7 +56,7 @@
+   5 task-gnome-minimal gdm
+   5 evince file-roller gcalctool
+   5 CAT_GRAPHICS || PHOTO shotwell
+-  3 gconf-editor
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+&lt;h3&gt;Log Message&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;pre&gt;dconf-editor: use instead of gconf-editor&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:39:20 UTC (rev 322115)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:41:20 UTC (rev 322116)
+@@ -56,7 +56,7 @@
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+   5 evince file-roller gcalctool
+   5 CAT_GRAPHICS || PHOTO shotwell
+-  3 gconf-editor
++  3 dconf-editor
+   5 eog gnome-color-manager
+   4 gucharmap xlockmore tracker
+   4 transmission-gtk
+
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+Revision: 322115
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:39:20 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+xdm: GNOME already has gdm
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:37:19 UTC (rev 322114)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:39:20 UTC (rev 322115)
+@@ -593,7 +593,8 @@
+ CAT_BOOKS
+ 
+ CAT_X
+-  5 task-x11 xdm xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1 xguest
++  5 task-x11 xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1 xguest
++  5 !CAT_GNOME xdm
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+&lt;pre&gt;xdm: GNOME already has gdm&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:37:19 UTC (rev 322114)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:39:20 UTC (rev 322115)
+@@ -593,7 +593,8 @@
+ CAT_BOOKS
+ 
+ CAT_X
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+Revision: 322114
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:37:19 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+GNOME development is much easier with gnome-common
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:32:14 UTC (rev 322113)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:37:19 UTC (rev 322114)
+@@ -542,6 +542,7 @@
+     5 kate kompare cervisia lokalize okteta
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+     3 anjuta nemiver vala
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+&lt;h3&gt;Log Message&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;pre&gt;GNOME development is much easier with gnome-common&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:32:14 UTC (rev 322113)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:37:19 UTC (rev 322114)
+@@ -542,6 +542,7 @@
+     5 kate kompare cervisia lokalize okteta
+ 
+   CAT_GNOME
++    4 gnome-common
+     3 anjuta nemiver vala
+ 
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+Revision: 322113
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:32:14 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+IRC for GNOME: install xchat-gnome as well as telepathy-idle (allows Empathy to work)
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 10:38:12 UTC (rev 322112)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:32:14 UTC (rev 322113)
+@@ -279,7 +279,7 @@
+ CAT_NETWORKING_IRC
+   5 CAT_XFCE xchat
+   5 CAT_KDE konversation
+-  4 CAT_GNOME xchat-gnome
++  4 CAT_GNOME xchat-gnome telepathy-idle
+   3 irssi
+   1 eggdrop
+ 
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+&lt;dt&gt;Date&lt;/dt&gt; &lt;dd&gt;2012-11-26 12:32:14 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)&lt;/dd&gt;
+&lt;/dl&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Log Message&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;pre&gt;IRC for GNOME: install xchat-gnome as well as telepathy-idle (allows Empathy to work)&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 10:38:12 UTC (rev 322112)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:32:14 UTC (rev 322113)
+@@ -279,7 +279,7 @@
+ CAT_NETWORKING_IRC
+   5 CAT_XFCE xchat
+   5 CAT_KDE konversation
+-  4 CAT_GNOME xchat-gnome
++  4 CAT_GNOME xchat-gnome telepathy-idle
+   3 irssi
+   1 eggdrop
+ 
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+Revision: 322136
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 14:38:30 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+gstreamer1.0-pulse: install at least for GNOME
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:37:50 UTC (rev 322135)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:38:30 UTC (rev 322136)
+@@ -158,6 +158,7 @@
+ 
+ CAT_AUDIO
+   5 task-pulseaudio gstreamer0.10-pulse packagekit-gstreamer-plugin
++  5 CAT_GNOME gstreamer1.0-pulse
+   5 CAT_KDE kscd amarok
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+&lt;pre&gt;gstreamer1.0-pulse: install at least for GNOME&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:37:50 UTC (rev 322135)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:38:30 UTC (rev 322136)
+@@ -158,6 +158,7 @@
+ 
+ CAT_AUDIO
+   5 task-pulseaudio gstreamer0.10-pulse packagekit-gstreamer-plugin
++  5 CAT_GNOME gstreamer1.0-pulse
+   5 CAT_KDE kscd amarok
+   5 CAT_KDE || CAT_GNOME || CAT_XFCE audacity ardour
+   5 CAT_GNOME gnome-media
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+Revision: 322135
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 14:37:50 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+fix someones CAT_GNOME typo
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:30:50 UTC (rev 322134)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:37:50 UTC (rev 322135)
+@@ -159,7 +159,7 @@
+ CAT_AUDIO
+   5 task-pulseaudio gstreamer0.10-pulse packagekit-gstreamer-plugin
+   5 CAT_KDE kscd amarok
+-  5 CAT_KDE || CAT GNOME || CAT_XFCE audacity ardour
++  5 CAT_KDE || CAT_GNOME || CAT_XFCE audacity ardour
+   5 CAT_GNOME gnome-media
+   5 CAT_GNOME rhythmbox
+   5 !LIGHT CAT_GNOME || CAT_XFCE sound-juicer
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+&lt;dt&gt;Date&lt;/dt&gt; &lt;dd&gt;2012-11-26 14:37:50 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)&lt;/dd&gt;
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+
+&lt;h3&gt;Log Message&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;pre&gt;fix someones CAT_GNOME typo&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:30:50 UTC (rev 322134)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:37:50 UTC (rev 322135)
+@@ -159,7 +159,7 @@
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+Revision: 322134
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 14:30:50 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+icewm-light,xguest: not needed for GNOME
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:28:55 UTC (rev 322133)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:30:50 UTC (rev 322134)
+@@ -593,8 +593,8 @@
+ CAT_BOOKS
+ 
+ CAT_X
+-  5 task-x11 xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1 xguest
+-  5 !CAT_GNOME xdm
++  5 task-x11 xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1
++  5 !CAT_GNOME xdm xguest icewm-light
+   5 !CAT_KDE !CAT_GNOME !CAT_XFCE !CAT_LXDE xterm
+ 
+   5 gurpmi rpmdrake drakconf userdrake fonts-ttf-decoratives fonts-ttf-west_european
+@@ -602,7 +602,7 @@
+     mgaonline  bootsplash 
+     s2u 
+ 
+-  5 icewm-light monitor-edid
++  5 monitor-edid
+   5 HIGH_SECURITY mountloop
+   5 LOCALES&quot;ja&quot; ibus-mozc
+   5 LOCALES&quot;ko&quot; ibus-hangul
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+&lt;pre&gt;icewm-light,xguest: not needed for GNOME&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:28:55 UTC (rev 322133)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:30:50 UTC (rev 322134)
+@@ -593,8 +593,8 @@
+ CAT_BOOKS
+ 
+ CAT_X
+-  5 task-x11 xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1 xguest
+-  5 !CAT_GNOME xdm
++  5 task-x11 xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts urw-fonts x11-font-bh-type1
++  5 !CAT_GNOME xdm xguest icewm-light
+   5 !CAT_KDE !CAT_GNOME !CAT_XFCE !CAT_LXDE xterm
+ 
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+     mgaonline  bootsplash 
+     s2u 
+ 
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++  5 monitor-edid
+   5 HIGH_SECURITY mountloop
+   5 LOCALES&amp;quot;ja&amp;quot; ibus-mozc
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+Subject: [packages-commits] [322117] xlockmore: remove, GNOME provides its
+	own specific locking
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+Revision: 322117
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:43:33 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+xlockmore: remove, GNOME provides its own specific locking
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:41:20 UTC (rev 322116)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:43:33 UTC (rev 322117)
+@@ -58,7 +58,7 @@
+   5 CAT_GRAPHICS || PHOTO shotwell
+   3 dconf-editor
+   5 eog gnome-color-manager
+-  4 gucharmap xlockmore tracker
++  4 gucharmap tracker
+   4 transmission-gtk
+   4 CAT_THEMES gnome-themes-extras 
+ 
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+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:41:20 UTC (rev 322116)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:43:33 UTC (rev 322117)
+@@ -58,7 +58,7 @@
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+Revision: 322116
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:41:20 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+dconf-editor: use instead of gconf-editor
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:39:20 UTC (rev 322115)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:41:20 UTC (rev 322116)
+@@ -56,7 +56,7 @@
+   5 task-gnome-minimal gdm
+   5 evince file-roller gcalctool
+   5 CAT_GRAPHICS || PHOTO shotwell
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+&lt;pre&gt;dconf-editor: use instead of gconf-editor&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:39:20 UTC (rev 322115)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:41:20 UTC (rev 322116)
+@@ -56,7 +56,7 @@
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+   5 evince file-roller gcalctool
+   5 CAT_GRAPHICS || PHOTO shotwell
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+Revision: 322115
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:39:20 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+xdm: GNOME already has gdm
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:37:19 UTC (rev 322114)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:39:20 UTC (rev 322115)
+@@ -593,7 +593,8 @@
+ CAT_BOOKS
+ 
+ CAT_X
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+   5 !CAT_KDE !CAT_GNOME !CAT_XFCE !CAT_LXDE xterm
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+&lt;pre&gt;xdm: GNOME already has gdm&lt;/pre&gt;
+
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+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:37:19 UTC (rev 322114)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:39:20 UTC (rev 322115)
+@@ -593,7 +593,8 @@
+ CAT_BOOKS
+ 
+ CAT_X
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+   5 !CAT_KDE !CAT_GNOME !CAT_XFCE !CAT_LXDE xterm
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+Subject: [packages-commits] [322114] GNOME development is much easier with
+	gnome-common
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+Revision: 322114
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:37:19 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+GNOME development is much easier with gnome-common
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:32:14 UTC (rev 322113)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:37:19 UTC (rev 322114)
+@@ -542,6 +542,7 @@
+     5 kate kompare cervisia lokalize okteta
+ 
+   CAT_GNOME
++    4 gnome-common
+     3 anjuta nemiver vala
+ 
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+&lt;dt&gt;Revision&lt;/dt&gt; &lt;dd&gt;322114&lt;/dd&gt;
+&lt;dt&gt;Author&lt;/dt&gt; &lt;dd&gt;ovitters&lt;/dd&gt;
+&lt;dt&gt;Date&lt;/dt&gt; &lt;dd&gt;2012-11-26 12:37:19 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)&lt;/dd&gt;
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+
+&lt;h3&gt;Log Message&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;pre&gt;GNOME development is much easier with gnome-common&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:32:14 UTC (rev 322113)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:37:19 UTC (rev 322114)
+@@ -542,6 +542,7 @@
+     5 kate kompare cervisia lokalize okteta
+ 
+   CAT_GNOME
++    4 gnome-common
+     3 anjuta nemiver vala
+ 
+   CAT_NETWORKING_WWW
+
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+Revision: 322113
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 12:32:14 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+IRC for GNOME: install xchat-gnome as well as telepathy-idle (allows Empathy to work)
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 10:38:12 UTC (rev 322112)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:32:14 UTC (rev 322113)
+@@ -279,7 +279,7 @@
+ CAT_NETWORKING_IRC
+   5 CAT_XFCE xchat
+   5 CAT_KDE konversation
+-  4 CAT_GNOME xchat-gnome
++  4 CAT_GNOME xchat-gnome telepathy-idle
+   3 irssi
+   1 eggdrop
+ 
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+&lt;dt&gt;Date&lt;/dt&gt; &lt;dd&gt;2012-11-26 12:32:14 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)&lt;/dd&gt;
+&lt;/dl&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Log Message&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;pre&gt;IRC for GNOME: install xchat-gnome as well as telepathy-idle (allows Empathy to work)&lt;/pre&gt;
+
+&lt;h3&gt;Modified Paths&lt;/h3&gt;
+&lt;ul&gt;
+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
+&lt;/ul&gt;
+
+&lt;/div&gt;
+&lt;div id=&quot;patch&quot;&gt;&lt;pre&gt;
+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 10:38:12 UTC (rev 322112)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 11:32:14 UTC (rev 322113)
+@@ -279,7 +279,7 @@
+ CAT_NETWORKING_IRC
+   5 CAT_XFCE xchat
+   5 CAT_KDE konversation
+-  4 CAT_GNOME xchat-gnome
++  4 CAT_GNOME xchat-gnome telepathy-idle
+   3 irssi
+   1 eggdrop
+ 
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+Revision: 322136
+Author:   ovitters
+Date:     2012-11-26 14:38:30 +0100 (Mon, 26 Nov 2012)
+Log Message:
+-----------
+gstreamer1.0-pulse: install at least for GNOME
+
+Modified Paths:
+--------------
+    cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+
+Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:37:50 UTC (rev 322135)
++++ cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:38:30 UTC (rev 322136)
+@@ -158,6 +158,7 @@
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+&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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+&lt;a id=&quot;cauldronmetataskcurrentSOURCESrpmsrateraw&quot;&gt;Modified: cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw&lt;/a&gt;
+===================================================================
+--- cauldron/meta-task/current/SOURCES/rpmsrate-raw	2012-11-26 13:37:50 UTC (rev 322135)
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+2012/11/27 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On 27 November 2012 04:31, David Walser &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; can you update python-lxml to 3.0.1 or is there any reason it wasn&#39;t updated<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; yet?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; just because <a href="http://check.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org</a> did not told me to update it ;)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; It&#39;s missing an awful lot these days, as it&#39;s not checking Fedora, Mandriva/ROSA, and some other<br>
+&gt;&gt; things that would be helpful.  I&#39;m concerned about this, as it would be really nice if we could have<br>
+&gt;&gt; things reasonably on par with Fedora 18 for Mageia 3.  Fedora 18 is supposed to form the basis of<br>
+&gt;&gt; RHEL 7, so having things reasonably in sync with them would be very helpful for stable support of<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia 3 going forward.  I really hope youri could be fixed soon.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It used to do so.<br>
+&gt; I already complained. without any result.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Is there a doc or trace somewhere of what should/could be done/fixed<br>
+for that? (aside from bugs in<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org</a>).<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>I think this is a good list</div>
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+
+2012/11/27 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On 27 November 2012 04:31, David Walser &lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; can you update python-lxml to 3.0.1 or is there any reason it wasn&#39;t updated<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; yet?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; just because <a href="http://check.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org</a> did not told me to update it ;)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; It&#39;s missing an awful lot these days, as it&#39;s not checking Fedora, Mandriva/ROSA, and some other<br>
+&gt;&gt; things that would be helpful.  I&#39;m concerned about this, as it would be really nice if we could have<br>
+&gt;&gt; things reasonably on par with Fedora 18 for Mageia 3.  Fedora 18 is supposed to form the basis of<br>
+&gt;&gt; RHEL 7, so having things reasonably in sync with them would be very helpful for stable support of<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia 3 going forward.  I really hope youri could be fixed soon.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It used to do so.<br>
+&gt; I already complained. without any result.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Is there a doc or trace somewhere of what should/could be done/fixed<br>
+for that? (aside from bugs in<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=check.mageia.org</a>).<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>I think this is a good list</div>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I saw an article this morning on LinuxToday that reminded me of the famous shell forkbomb that most of you are probably aware of (I became aware of it several years ago from someone's e-mail signature on a mailing list):<br>http://cyberarms.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/an-eleven-character-linux-denial-of-service-attack-how-to-defend-against-it/<br><br>This also reminded me that we don't have protection against this out of the box in Mageia.<br><br>I checked on Fedora, and it turns out they do, as described here:<br>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=432903<br><br>Their pam package has a /etc/security/limits.d/90-nproc.conf file that has:<br># Default limit for number of user's processes to prevent<br># accidental fork bombs.<br># See rhbz #432903 for reasoning.<br><br>*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; soft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
+ nproc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1024<br><br>As the last comment on the bug says, it's a bit confusing that it's in limits.d/ and not the limits.conf file itself, and in fact I'm not sure what is responsible for processing limits.d/* as limits.conf says nothing about it (Fedora's is the exact same as ours).&nbsp; Anyway, one way or another it would be nice to have this limit set by default on Mageia, IMHO.&nbsp; WDYT?<br></td></tr></table>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I saw an article this morning on LinuxToday that reminded me of the famous shell forkbomb that most of you are probably aware of (I became aware of it several years ago from someone's e-mail signature on a mailing list):<br>http://cyberarms.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/an-eleven-character-linux-denial-of-service-attack-how-to-defend-against-it/<br><br>This also reminded me that we don't have protection against this out of the box in Mageia.<br><br>I checked on Fedora, and it turns out they do, as described here:<br>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=432903<br><br>Their pam package has a /etc/security/limits.d/90-nproc.conf file that has:<br># Default limit for number of user's processes to prevent<br># accidental fork bombs.<br># See rhbz #432903 for reasoning.<br><br>*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; soft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
+ nproc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1024<br><br>As the last comment on the bug says, it's a bit confusing that it's in limits.d/ and not the limits.conf file itself, and in fact I'm not sure what is responsible for processing limits.d/* as limits.conf says nothing about it (Fedora's is the exact same as ours).&nbsp; Anyway, one way or another it would be nice to have this limit set by default on Mageia, IMHO.&nbsp; WDYT?<br></td></tr></table>
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+Qt5 is build without wayland platform support:<div><div>$ /usr/lib/qt5/bin/designer  -platform wayland</div><div>Failed to load platform plugin &quot;wayland&quot;. Available platforms are: </div><div>linuxfb</div><div>minimal</div>
+<div>xcb</div><div>[. . .]</div></div><div><br></div><div>It would be cool to test wayland with Qt5 linked programs.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Adrien</div><div><br></div>
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+Qt5 is build without wayland platform support:<div><div>$ /usr/lib/qt5/bin/designer  -platform wayland</div><div>Failed to load platform plugin &quot;wayland&quot;. Available platforms are: </div><div>linuxfb</div><div>minimal</div>
+<div>xcb</div><div>[. . .]</div></div><div><br></div><div>It would be cool to test wayland with Qt5 linked programs.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Adrien</div><div><br></div>
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+<p>Sounds like less patching. Hard to argue with that. Unless there was a way to make it easier to do the patching. Saves a mass rebuild and makes the job easier.</p>
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+<p>Sounds like less patching. Hard to argue with that. Unless there was a way to make it easier to do the patching. Saves a mass rebuild and makes the job easier.</p>
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+<p>I had the same error in the partition editor when booting from usb. Not even in a vbox.</p>
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+<p>I had the same error in the partition editor when booting from usb. Not even in a vbox.</p>
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+<p>Hi there</p>
+<p>Unless there is an emergency that cannot be solved by mail, I have no specific topic for tonight meeting. </p>
+<p>Cheers</p>
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+<p>Hi there</p>
+<p>Unless there is an emergency that cannot be solved by mail, I have no specific topic for tonight meeting. </p>
+<p>Cheers</p>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+See: <a href="http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/05/plasma-desktopeX2766.png" target="_blank">http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/05/plasma-desktopeX2766.png</a><br>
+Background is properly rendered, (unlike in your screenshot) and all buttons are present before hovering.<br>
+So that I am clueless.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div>Just a shot in the dark - Eclipse has a similar problem with menus (menus are not displaying properly until &quot;walked over&quot; by a cursor) under KDE with the compositing enabled. It is a GTK bug according to the Eclipse bug tracker. With the compositing/effects off, everything works OK. Could this be the same issue?<br>
+<br>Jan<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+See: <a href="http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/05/plasma-desktopeX2766.png" target="_blank">http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/05/plasma-desktopeX2766.png</a><br>
+Background is properly rendered, (unlike in your screenshot) and all buttons are present before hovering.<br>
+So that I am clueless.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div>Just a shot in the dark - Eclipse has a similar problem with menus (menus are not displaying properly until &quot;walked over&quot; by a cursor) under KDE with the compositing enabled. It is a GTK bug according to the Eclipse bug tracker. With the compositing/effects off, everything works OK. Could this be the same issue?<br>
+<br>Jan<br>
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+Hello Mages,<br><br>I am looking for a mentor to help me with packaging for Mageia. I have interests in scientific softwares and I am creating a SWI-Prolog package.<br><br>I applied my name and more informations in packaging apprentice candidates&#39;s table:<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates</a><br><br>Thanks,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>
+Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+Hello Mages,<br><br>I am looking for a mentor to help me with packaging for Mageia. I have interests in scientific softwares and I am creating a SWI-Prolog package.<br><br>I applied my name and more informations in packaging apprentice candidates&#39;s table:<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates</a><br><br>Thanks,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>
+Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/7 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+So Cauldron is now in &quot;soft freeze&quot; for Mga3 - beta1 release<br>
+<br>
+Please try to avoid doing breakages until beta1 is out in case<br>
+we need to do a resync<br>
+<br>
+ennael, frozen repo is synced, and mozldap-6.0.7-1.mga3 last<br>
+package synced in.<br></blockquote></div><div>Can i push kde 4.10 beta2 ? i did commit some days ago but i was too buzy to push it the same day.</div><div>It&#39;s not like it&#39;s going to break more stuff then it was for beta1.</div>
+
+<div>It can of course wait for the end of soft freeze</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, </div><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/7 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+So Cauldron is now in &quot;soft freeze&quot; for Mga3 - beta1 release<br>
+<br>
+Please try to avoid doing breakages until beta1 is out in case<br>
+we need to do a resync<br>
+<br>
+ennael, frozen repo is synced, and mozldap-6.0.7-1.mga3 last<br>
+package synced in.<br></blockquote></div><div>Can i push kde 4.10 beta2 ? i did commit some days ago but i was too buzy to push it the same day.</div><div>It&#39;s not like it&#39;s going to break more stuff then it was for beta1.</div>
+
+<div>It can of course wait for the end of soft freeze</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, </div><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+
+
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/8 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">[...]</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+ok please do it now so that we can include it for next set of isos. Can you please ping here when it&#39;s all submitted ?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div>I&#39;ll do it.<br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/8 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">[...]</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+ok please do it now so that we can include it for next set of isos. Can you please ping here when it&#39;s all submitted ?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div>I&#39;ll do it.<br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/8 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+ok please do it now so that we can include it for next set of isos. Can you please ping here when it&#39;s all submitted ?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>Everything has been pushed &amp; available on mirrors.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/8 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+ok please do it now so that we can include it for next set of isos. Can you please ping here when it&#39;s all submitted ?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>Everything has been pushed &amp; available on mirrors.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+I cannot print on my photosmart <a href="tel:3100" value="+333100" target="_blank">3100</a>, which used to work like charm for ages...<div><br></div><div>First I tried in mcc, but no way to detect my printer, then I do try &quot;HP Device Manager&quot; which shows my printer, but cannot do anything with it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I do not know what to provide, dmesg shows:</div><div><div><br></div><div>[  590.625037] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled</div><div>[  590.627155] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed</div>
+<div>[  590.627164] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through</div><div>[  601.327288] Did not find alt setting 1 for intf 0, config 1</div><div>[  601.327657] Did not find alt setting 1 for intf 0, config 1</div>
+<div>[  601.328034] Did not find alt setting 1 for intf 0, config 1</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Any idea?</div>
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+I cannot print on my photosmart <a href="tel:3100" value="+333100" target="_blank">3100</a>, which used to work like charm for ages...<div><br></div><div>First I tried in mcc, but no way to detect my printer, then I do try &quot;HP Device Manager&quot; which shows my printer, but cannot do anything with it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I do not know what to provide, dmesg shows:</div><div><div><br></div><div>[  590.625037] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled</div><div>[  590.627155] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed</div>
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+<div>[  601.328034] Did not find alt setting 1 for intf 0, config 1</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Any idea?</div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/23 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class="h5">On 18 December 2012 19:27, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Stable release will be out in January.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; It works fine. All test suites pass. Please test.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I plan to:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; - move it to core/release,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; - enable -debuginfo packages in rpmlint<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; - switch from -debug to -debuginfo like other distro<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;    and drop lot of patches<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>I noticed a strange upgrade issue with 4.11 :</div><div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style><div class="gmail_extra">
+
+installing kmahjongglib-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm plasma-applet-quicklaunch-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64.rpm kde-l10n-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm kde-l10n-handbooks-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm kdebase4-workspace-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64.rpm kdebase4-workspace-handbooks-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm ktimetracker-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm kmail-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">starting installing packages</div><div class="gmail_extra">opening rpmdb (root=, write=1)</div><div class="gmail_extra">created transaction for installing on / (remove=0, install=0, upgrade=8)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kmahjongglib-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53428, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kmahjongglib-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div><div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of plasma-applet-quicklaunch-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64 (id=53544, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/plasma-applet-quicklaunch-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64.rpm)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kde-l10n-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53619, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kde-l10n-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div><div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kde-l10n-handbooks-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53464, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kde-l10n-handbooks-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kdebase4-workspace-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64 (id=53233, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase4-workspace-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64.rpm)</div><div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kdebase4-workspace-handbooks-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53402, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase4-workspace-handbooks-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of ktimetracker-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53392, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/ktimetracker-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div><div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kmail-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53432, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kmail-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">Preparing...                     ################################################################################################################################################################################</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">Installation failed:</div><div class="gmail_extra">        file /usr/share/apps/ksmserver/ksmserver.notifyrc from install of kdebase4-workspace-2:4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package kdebase4-workspace-2:4.9.90-1.mga3.x86_64</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Installation failed:    file /usr/share/apps/ksmserver/ksmserver.notifyrc from install of kdebase4-workspace-2:4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package kdebase4-workspace-2:4.9.90-1.mga3.x86_64</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">unlocking urpmi database</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>with an  urpmi --auto-update --debug</div><div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>
+
+kde 4.9.95 was built with previous rpm.</div><div class="gmail_extra" style>Since the file came from the same package it&#39;s strange that they conflicts.</div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>
+
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/23 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class="h5">On 18 December 2012 19:27, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Stable release will be out in January.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; It works fine. All test suites pass. Please test.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I plan to:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; - move it to core/release,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; - enable -debuginfo packages in rpmlint<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; - switch from -debug to -debuginfo like other distro<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;    and drop lot of patches<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>I noticed a strange upgrade issue with 4.11 :</div><div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style><div class="gmail_extra">
+
+installing kmahjongglib-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm plasma-applet-quicklaunch-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64.rpm kde-l10n-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm kde-l10n-handbooks-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm kdebase4-workspace-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64.rpm kdebase4-workspace-handbooks-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm ktimetracker-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm kmail-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">starting installing packages</div><div class="gmail_extra">opening rpmdb (root=, write=1)</div><div class="gmail_extra">created transaction for installing on / (remove=0, install=0, upgrade=8)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kmahjongglib-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53428, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kmahjongglib-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div><div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of plasma-applet-quicklaunch-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64 (id=53544, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/plasma-applet-quicklaunch-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64.rpm)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kde-l10n-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53619, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kde-l10n-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div><div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kde-l10n-handbooks-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53464, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kde-l10n-handbooks-fr-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kdebase4-workspace-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64 (id=53233, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase4-workspace-4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64.rpm)</div><div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kdebase4-workspace-handbooks-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53402, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kdebase4-workspace-handbooks-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of ktimetracker-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53392, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/ktimetracker-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div><div class="gmail_extra">trans: scheduling update of kmail-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch (id=53432, file=/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kmail-handbook-4.9.95-0.mga3.noarch.rpm)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">Preparing...                     ################################################################################################################################################################################</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">Installation failed:</div><div class="gmail_extra">        file /usr/share/apps/ksmserver/ksmserver.notifyrc from install of kdebase4-workspace-2:4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package kdebase4-workspace-2:4.9.90-1.mga3.x86_64</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Installation failed:    file /usr/share/apps/ksmserver/ksmserver.notifyrc from install of kdebase4-workspace-2:4.9.95-0.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package kdebase4-workspace-2:4.9.90-1.mga3.x86_64</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">unlocking urpmi database</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>with an  urpmi --auto-update --debug</div><div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>
+
+kde 4.9.95 was built with previous rpm.</div><div class="gmail_extra" style>Since the file came from the same package it&#39;s strange that they conflicts.</div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>
+
+Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a>
+</div></div>
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+Is there any work on the ARM port?<div><br></div><div>I would prefer a Mageia on my new Raspberry Pi.</div>
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+Is there any work on the ARM port?<div><br></div><div>I would prefer a Mageia on my new Raspberry Pi.</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/24 Jani Välimaa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com" target="_blank">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 00:12:16 +0000<br>
+Barry Jackson &lt;<a href="mailto:zen25000@zen.co.uk">zen25000@zen.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; On 23/12/12 12:18, magnus wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Is there any work on the ARM port?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I would prefer a Mageia on my new Raspberry Pi.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; +1 So would I.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>+1<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; (but Fedora-remix works well) :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>So does Raspbian. :)<br>
+</blockquote></div>My Rasbian also, but I have a prob with the display (TV, HDMI, too &quot;small&quot;)<div>I miss the MCC :)</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/24 Jani Välimaa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jani.valimaa@gmail.com" target="_blank">jani.valimaa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 00:12:16 +0000<br>
+Barry Jackson &lt;<a href="mailto:zen25000@zen.co.uk">zen25000@zen.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; On 23/12/12 12:18, magnus wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Is there any work on the ARM port?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I would prefer a Mageia on my new Raspberry Pi.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; +1 So would I.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>+1<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; (but Fedora-remix works well) :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>So does Raspbian. :)<br>
+</blockquote></div>My Rasbian also, but I have a prob with the display (TV, HDMI, too &quot;small&quot;)<div>I miss the MCC :)</div>
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+Hi,<br><br>The wiki, recommends starting openssh from within a chroot, on the following two pages:<br><br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_chroot">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_chroot</a><br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Chroot">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Chroot</a><br>
+<br>This does not work, with a current install from cauldron, as /etc/init.d/sshd does not get created.<br><br>It seems like the systemd way of starting would be:<br>systemctl start openssh.service<br><br>But, then produces an error:<br>
+<br>[root@localhost /]# systemctl start openssh.service<br>Running in chroot, ignoring request.<br><br><br>So,  Any thoughts on what is the recommended way, and I&#39;ll be happy to update the wiki to reflect this.<br><br>
+Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>The wiki, recommends starting openssh from within a chroot, on the following two pages:<br><br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_chroot">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_chroot</a><br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Chroot">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Chroot</a><br>
+<br>This does not work, with a current install from cauldron, as /etc/init.d/sshd does not get created.<br><br>It seems like the systemd way of starting would be:<br>systemctl start openssh.service<br><br>But, then produces an error:<br>
+<br>[root@localhost /]# systemctl start openssh.service<br>Running in chroot, ignoring request.<br><br><br>So,  Any thoughts on what is the recommended way, and I&#39;ll be happy to update the wiki to reflect this.<br><br>
+Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 December 2012 00:17, Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Guillaume Rousse<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le 27/12/2012 11:29, Pascal Terjan a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; It seems like the systemd way of starting would be:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; systemctl start openssh.service<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; But, then produces an error:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [root@localhost /]# systemctl start openssh.service<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Running in chroot, ignoring request.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; So,  Any thoughts on what is the recommended way, and I&#39;ll be happy to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; update the wiki to reflect this.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Last time I tried, I gave up after various attempts and now went back<br>
+&gt;&gt; to the basics: running &quot;sshd&quot; and killing it to stop it.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Maybe I&#39;ll fetch some old initscript.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I guess using a specific unit file, using builtin systemd chroot support,<br>
+&gt; should help. See <a href="http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/changing-roots" target="_blank">http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/changing-roots</a> for<br>
+&gt; details.<br>
+<br>
+Yes having an unit outside of the chroot with<br>
+RootDirectoryStartOnly=yes would probably help (I had tried the &quot;full<br>
+system&quot; chroot and couldn&#39;t get it to work and gave up after an hour)<br>
+but this is annoying to not be able to start a daemon from inside the<br>
+chroot which is what I usually want to do.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Well, good to see I am not the only one that can&#39;t get the chroot to work anymore.<br>So, I suggest, for the minute, I edit the wiki to explain that the chroot does not work.<br>I am open to suggestions as to what it should recommend?  maybe using a full<br>
+virtual machine?<br><br>What I have found so far is, using the two attached files, in the following locations:<br>/lib/systemd/system/sshd-mageia3.service<br>/usr/local/bin/setup-cauldron-chroot.sh<br><br>setup fstab: echo &#39;none /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0&#39; &gt;&gt; /etc/fstab<br>
+<br>Then, the chroot sshd can be started, using:<br>systemctl enable sshd-mageia3.service<br>systemctl start sshd-mageia3.service<br><br>which will start a chroot, but.. it&#39;s not ideal..  It sees mount points from the host (/proc/mounts)<br>
+and of course, processes.<br><br><br>The recommended approach according to systemd, appears to be systemd-nspawn.<br>This may be viable, when systemd-nspawn is updated beyond the version in Mageia 2.<br>It does not currently work, because dbus won&#39;t start, see bug: <br>
+<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=795038">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=795038</a>.   The work around mentioned is<br>not supported in the version of systemd-nspawn that Mageia 2 uses.  This looks like<br>
+it would work for Mageia3.<br><br>Glen<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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+[Unit]
+Description=OpenSSH server daemon in chroot
+After=syslog.target network.target auditd.service
+
+[Service]
+RootDirectory=/mnt/chroot/cauldron
+# EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/sshd
+ExecStartPre=/usr/local/bin/setup-cauldron-chroot.sh start
+ExecStopPost=/usr/local/bin/setup-cauldron-chroot.sh stop
+# ExecStart=/usr/sbin/sshd -D $OPTIONS
+ExecStart=/usr/sbin/sshd -D 
+ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID
+RootDirectoryStartOnly=yes
+
+[Install]
+WantedBy=multi-user.target
+
+# ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/sshd-keygen
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+#!/bin/bash
+if [[ "$1" == "start" ]]; then
+  cp -f /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/chroot/cauldron/etc/
+  mount -o bind /proc /mnt/chroot/cauldron/proc
+  mount -o bind /dev /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev
+  mount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev/pts
+  mount -o bind /sys /mnt/chroot/cauldron/sys
+fi
+
+if [[ "$1" == "stop" ]]; then
+  umount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/proc
+  umount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev/pts
+  umount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/sys
+  umount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev	
+fi
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 December 2012 00:17, Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Guillaume Rousse<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le 27/12/2012 11:29, Pascal Terjan a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; It seems like the systemd way of starting would be:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; systemctl start openssh.service<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; But, then produces an error:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [root@localhost /]# systemctl start openssh.service<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Running in chroot, ignoring request.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; So,  Any thoughts on what is the recommended way, and I&#39;ll be happy to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; update the wiki to reflect this.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Last time I tried, I gave up after various attempts and now went back<br>
+&gt;&gt; to the basics: running &quot;sshd&quot; and killing it to stop it.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Maybe I&#39;ll fetch some old initscript.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I guess using a specific unit file, using builtin systemd chroot support,<br>
+&gt; should help. See <a href="http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/changing-roots" target="_blank">http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/changing-roots</a> for<br>
+&gt; details.<br>
+<br>
+Yes having an unit outside of the chroot with<br>
+RootDirectoryStartOnly=yes would probably help (I had tried the &quot;full<br>
+system&quot; chroot and couldn&#39;t get it to work and gave up after an hour)<br>
+but this is annoying to not be able to start a daemon from inside the<br>
+chroot which is what I usually want to do.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Well, good to see I am not the only one that can&#39;t get the chroot to work anymore.<br>So, I suggest, for the minute, I edit the wiki to explain that the chroot does not work.<br>I am open to suggestions as to what it should recommend?  maybe using a full<br>
+virtual machine?<br><br>What I have found so far is, using the two attached files, in the following locations:<br>/lib/systemd/system/sshd-mageia3.service<br>/usr/local/bin/setup-cauldron-chroot.sh<br><br>setup fstab: echo &#39;none /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0&#39; &gt;&gt; /etc/fstab<br>
+<br>Then, the chroot sshd can be started, using:<br>systemctl enable sshd-mageia3.service<br>systemctl start sshd-mageia3.service<br><br>which will start a chroot, but.. it&#39;s not ideal..  It sees mount points from the host (/proc/mounts)<br>
+and of course, processes.<br><br><br>The recommended approach according to systemd, appears to be systemd-nspawn.<br>This may be viable, when systemd-nspawn is updated beyond the version in Mageia 2.<br>It does not currently work, because dbus won&#39;t start, see bug: <br>
+<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=795038">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=795038</a>.   The work around mentioned is<br>not supported in the version of systemd-nspawn that Mageia 2 uses.  This looks like<br>
+it would work for Mageia3.<br><br>Glen<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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+[Unit]
+Description=OpenSSH server daemon in chroot
+After=syslog.target network.target auditd.service
+
+[Service]
+RootDirectory=/mnt/chroot/cauldron
+# EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/sshd
+ExecStartPre=/usr/local/bin/setup-cauldron-chroot.sh start
+ExecStopPost=/usr/local/bin/setup-cauldron-chroot.sh stop
+# ExecStart=/usr/sbin/sshd -D $OPTIONS
+ExecStart=/usr/sbin/sshd -D 
+ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID
+RootDirectoryStartOnly=yes
+
+[Install]
+WantedBy=multi-user.target
+
+# ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/sshd-keygen
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+#!/bin/bash
+if [[ "$1" == "start" ]]; then
+  cp -f /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/chroot/cauldron/etc/
+  mount -o bind /proc /mnt/chroot/cauldron/proc
+  mount -o bind /dev /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev
+  mount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev/pts
+  mount -o bind /sys /mnt/chroot/cauldron/sys
+fi
+
+if [[ "$1" == "stop" ]]; then
+  umount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/proc
+  umount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev/pts
+  umount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/sys
+  umount /mnt/chroot/cauldron/dev	
+fi
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    Hello!<br>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
+    <pre style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">Name        : rpm-mageia-setup             Relocations: (not relocatable)
+Version     : 1.165                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Dec 31 20:22:14 2012
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+Group       : System/Configuration/Packaging   Source RPM: (none)
+Size        : 271779                           License: GPLv2+
+Signature   : (none)
+Packager    : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+URL         : <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_top" style="color: rgb(0, 35, 144); font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial; ">http://www.mageia.org/</a>
+Summary     : The Mageia rpm configuration and scripts
+Description :
+The Mageia rpm configuration and scripts.
+
+tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 1.165-1.mga3:
++ Revision: 336686
+- set libexec dir to /usr/libexec
+
+Is this libexec the final change? If yes, then we should update i.a. cmake.macros.
+
+
+</pre>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    Hello!<br>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
+    <pre style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">Name        : rpm-mageia-setup             Relocations: (not relocatable)
+Version     : 1.165                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Dec 31 20:22:14 2012
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+Group       : System/Configuration/Packaging   Source RPM: (none)
+Size        : 271779                           License: GPLv2+
+Signature   : (none)
+Packager    : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+URL         : <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_top" style="color: rgb(0, 35, 144); font-weight: bold; text-decoration: initial; ">http://www.mageia.org/</a>
+Summary     : The Mageia rpm configuration and scripts
+Description :
+The Mageia rpm configuration and scripts.
+
+tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 1.165-1.mga3:
++ Revision: 336686
+- set libexec dir to /usr/libexec
+
+Is this libexec the final change? If yes, then we should update i.a. cmake.macros.
+
+
+</pre>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 31 Dec 2012 22:48, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; pterjan skrev 31.12.2012 23:58:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Name        : iurt                         Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Version     : 0.6.16                            Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+&gt;&gt; Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Dec 31 22:55:20 2012<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; pterjan &lt;pterjan&gt; 0.6.16-1.mga3:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 336797<br>
+&gt;&gt; - 0.6.16<br>
+&gt;&gt;   * fix chroot cleaning in parallel mode<br>
+&gt;&gt;   * fix for some packages missing from status file<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; btw, 0.6.15 broke the BS on valstar with this error:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Not a HASH reference at /usr/bin/emi line 195.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So I rolled back to 0.6.13 that was in use before.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is this package safe to install ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+Probably not, I haven&#39;t touched emi (I think boklm and tv did in previoys version). I&#39;ll have a look<br>
+</p>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 31 Dec 2012 22:48, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; pterjan skrev 31.12.2012 23:58:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Name        : iurt                         Relocations: (not relocatable)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Version     : 0.6.16                            Vendor: Mageia.Org<br>
+&gt;&gt; Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Mon Dec 31 22:55:20 2012<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; pterjan &lt;pterjan&gt; 0.6.16-1.mga3:<br>
+&gt;&gt; + Revision: 336797<br>
+&gt;&gt; - 0.6.16<br>
+&gt;&gt;   * fix chroot cleaning in parallel mode<br>
+&gt;&gt;   * fix for some packages missing from status file<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; btw, 0.6.15 broke the BS on valstar with this error:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Not a HASH reference at /usr/bin/emi line 195.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So I rolled back to 0.6.13 that was in use before.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is this package safe to install ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+Probably not, I haven&#39;t touched emi (I think boklm and tv did in previoys version). I&#39;ll have a look<br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com" target="_blank">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im"><br></div><div class="im">
+&gt; for i in %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*;<br>
+&gt; do<br>
+&gt;   file=`basename $i`<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;   ln -sf $i  %{buildroot}%{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file<br>
+&gt; done<br>
+<br>
+</div>Looks better, that should make relative links.<br>
+<br>
+The problem is in the first line, the %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*<br>
+should have a %{buildroot} at the beginning of it.  Otherwise, it&#39;s matching<br>
+against files on your actual system already installed at that location,<br>
+which of course won&#39;t be there on the build system.  That&#39;s why the * doesn&#39;t<br>
+match anything, and becomes a literal *.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I had tried that before, but on that case, on my local build the symlinks are created like this:</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
+
+<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div>ll /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw/</div><div>total 4</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 114 Jan  3 18:01 * -&gt; ../../../../../home/cauldron/mageia/cauldron/warsow/BUILDROOT/warsow-1.02-5.mga3.x86_64/usr/share/warsow/basewsw/*</div>
+
+<div><br></div></div></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com" target="_blank">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im"><br></div><div class="im">
+&gt; for i in %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*;<br>
+&gt; do<br>
+&gt;   file=`basename $i`<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;   ln -sf $i  %{buildroot}%{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file<br>
+&gt; done<br>
+<br>
+</div>Looks better, that should make relative links.<br>
+<br>
+The problem is in the first line, the %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*<br>
+should have a %{buildroot} at the beginning of it.  Otherwise, it&#39;s matching<br>
+against files on your actual system already installed at that location,<br>
+which of course won&#39;t be there on the build system.  That&#39;s why the * doesn&#39;t<br>
+match anything, and becomes a literal *.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I had tried that before, but on that case, on my local build the symlinks are created like this:</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
+
+<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div>ll /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw/</div><div>total 4</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 114 Jan  3 18:01 * -&gt; ../../../../../home/cauldron/mageia/cauldron/warsow/BUILDROOT/warsow-1.02-5.mga3.x86_64/usr/share/warsow/basewsw/*</div>
+
+<div><br></div></div></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<div><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m having a strange problem with warsow&#39;s package. To fix bug #8103 I need to symlink the game data contents from warsow-data into the same directory were the game libraries are located. The problem is that when I build the package in my local cauldron installation, the symlinks are correctly created, but when it&#39;s built by the BS they end up broken. I have tried two ways to create the symlinks, both work fine on my machine but not on the BS:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>ln -sf %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*  %{buildroot}%{gamelibdir}/basewsw</div><div><br></div><div>or:</div><div><br></div><div><div>for i in %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*;</div><div>do</div><div>  file=`basename $i`</div>
+
+<div>  ln -sf $i  %{buildroot}%{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div><div>done</div></div><div><br></div><div>With any of those two ways in my machine the symlinks are correctly created:</div><div><br></div><div>[root@cauldron-laptop cauldron]# ll /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw/</div>
+
+<div>total 28</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 47 Jan  3 16:42 configs -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/configs/</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 52 Jan  3 16:42 data0_10.pk3 -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/data0_10.pk3</div>
+
+<div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 56 Jan  3 16:42 data0_10pure.pk3 -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/data0_10pure.pk3</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 52 Jan  3 16:42 data1_10.pk3 -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/data1_10.pk3</div>
+
+</div><div>[...]</div><div><br></div><div>But on the BS this is the result:</div><div><br></div><div>[root@localhost juancho]# ls -l /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw/</div><div>total 0</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 Jan  3 11:13 * -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/*</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>A broken link to &#39;*&#39;. What can be causing this ?</div><br clear="all"><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<div><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m having a strange problem with warsow&#39;s package. To fix bug #8103 I need to symlink the game data contents from warsow-data into the same directory were the game libraries are located. The problem is that when I build the package in my local cauldron installation, the symlinks are correctly created, but when it&#39;s built by the BS they end up broken. I have tried two ways to create the symlinks, both work fine on my machine but not on the BS:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>ln -sf %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*  %{buildroot}%{gamelibdir}/basewsw</div><div><br></div><div>or:</div><div><br></div><div><div>for i in %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*;</div><div>do</div><div>  file=`basename $i`</div>
+
+<div>  ln -sf $i  %{buildroot}%{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div><div>done</div></div><div><br></div><div>With any of those two ways in my machine the symlinks are correctly created:</div><div><br></div><div>[root@cauldron-laptop cauldron]# ll /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw/</div>
+
+<div>total 28</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 47 Jan  3 16:42 configs -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/configs/</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 52 Jan  3 16:42 data0_10.pk3 -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/data0_10.pk3</div>
+
+<div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 56 Jan  3 16:42 data0_10pure.pk3 -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/data0_10pure.pk3</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 52 Jan  3 16:42 data1_10.pk3 -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/data1_10.pk3</div>
+
+</div><div>[...]</div><div><br></div><div>But on the BS this is the result:</div><div><br></div><div>[root@localhost juancho]# ls -l /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw/</div><div>total 0</div><div>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 Jan  3 11:13 * -&gt; ../../../../../usr/share/warsow/basewsw/*</div>
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+<div><br></div><div>A broken link to &#39;*&#39;. What can be causing this ?</div><br clear="all"><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Charles A Edwards <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:CAE@eslrahc.com" target="_blank">CAE@eslrahc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:.<div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div><div>
+<br>
+</div></div>Why not have it created in post by the warsow-data rpm?<br>
+<br>
+%post<br>
+ln -sf %{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw<br>
+<br>
+%postun<br>
+rm -rf %{gamelibdir}/basewsw<br>
+<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div class="im"><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Good idea, going to try this.</span> </div></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
+
+
+<div><br></div></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nope it didn&#39;t work either, with Charle&#39;s suggestion I get this error:</div><div><br></div><div>ln: target ‘/usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw/’ is not a directory: No such file or directory</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Which I don&#39;t understand why it says no such file or directory if that&#39;s the link I want to create. And /usr/lib64/games/warsow exists. I also tried the for loop option with no success either:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><div>for i in `%{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*`;</div><div>do</div><div>   file=`basename $i`</div><div>   ln -sf $i  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div><div>done</div></div><div><br></div></div><div>/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.HdlyUk: line 7: /usr/share/warsow-data/basewsw/*: No such file or directory</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>It seems as if the expression `%{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*` (don&#39;t mind the left quotes, it happens the same with them or not) of the for loop wasn&#39;t being expanded and $i ends with the literal value &#39;*&#39;.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Any other suggestions ?</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Charles A Edwards <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:CAE@eslrahc.com" target="_blank">CAE@eslrahc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:.<div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div><div>
+<br>
+</div></div>Why not have it created in post by the warsow-data rpm?<br>
+<br>
+%post<br>
+ln -sf %{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw<br>
+<br>
+%postun<br>
+rm -rf %{gamelibdir}/basewsw<br>
+<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div class="im"><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Good idea, going to try this.</span> </div></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
+
+
+<div><br></div></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nope it didn&#39;t work either, with Charle&#39;s suggestion I get this error:</div><div><br></div><div>ln: target ‘/usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw/’ is not a directory: No such file or directory</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Which I don&#39;t understand why it says no such file or directory if that&#39;s the link I want to create. And /usr/lib64/games/warsow exists. I also tried the for loop option with no success either:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><div>for i in `%{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*`;</div><div>do</div><div>   file=`basename $i`</div><div>   ln -sf $i  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div><div>done</div></div><div><br></div></div><div>/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.HdlyUk: line 7: /usr/share/warsow-data/basewsw/*: No such file or directory</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>It seems as if the expression `%{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/*` (don&#39;t mind the left quotes, it happens the same with them or not) of the for loop wasn&#39;t being expanded and $i ends with the literal value &#39;*&#39;.</div>
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+<div><br></div><div>Any other suggestions ?</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Charles A Edwards <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:CAE@eslrahc.com" target="_blank">CAE@eslrahc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:.<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
+<br>
+</div></div>Why not have it created in post by the warsow-data rpm?<br>
+<br>
+%post<br>
+ln -sf %{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw<br>
+<br>
+%postun<br>
+rm -rf %{gamelibdir}/basewsw<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Good idea, going to try this.</span> </div></div><br clear="all">
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+<div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Charles A Edwards <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:CAE@eslrahc.com" target="_blank">CAE@eslrahc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:.<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
+<br>
+</div></div>Why not have it created in post by the warsow-data rpm?<br>
+<br>
+%post<br>
+ln -sf %{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw<br>
+<br>
+%postun<br>
+rm -rf %{gamelibdir}/basewsw<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Good idea, going to try this.</span> </div></div><br clear="all">
+
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Or you can just disable it in sys temsettings</div> <br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Guillaume Rousse &lt;guillomovitch@gmail.com&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : Re: [Mageia-dev] Frequent freezes in M2 <br> <br><br>Le 03/01/2013 11:30, Anne Wilson a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; imho: nepomuk is a beast and uses too much memory.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; Like many people, I don't see any advantage.<br>What prevents you from uninstalling it ?<br><br>-- <br>BOFH excuse #98:<br><br>The vendor put the bug there.<br></body>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve already posted this to the Mageia forum, but doktor5000 suggested to also post this to the mailing list.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d like to ask if it would make sense for Mageia to automatically test generated RPM packages. The idea isn&#39;t new. Ubuntu is using regression tests with python-unit for a lot of packages in their distribution: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0909/RegressionTests">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0909/RegressionTests</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think that using automated regession tests would make the job of QA a lot easier. Failures within packages would surface much faster and a lot of manual checking could be avoided. Don&#39;t get me wrong. Every package that would pass the regression tests should still be checked by a human. ;)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The following scenario could be used for this. After the package hast been generated, the RPM (or job) is passed to the regession test server. This server spawns a new virtual machine with the Mageia version the package should be checked on. When the machine is booted, the package is installed with all the needed dependencies and the tests are executed. If everyting went smooth, the package might be checked again by QA manually. If one or more tests failed, there is something wrong with package, although the package generation worked, and the maintainer/developer might want to take a look at it again.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>To setup this up a combination of hudson (<a href="http://hudson-ci.org">hudson-ci.org</a>) and vagrant (<a href="http://vagrantup.com">vagrantup.com</a>) could be used. vagrant allows to use VirtualBox to boot serveral VM instances from base images that are thrown away after everything is done. This way multiple versions of Mageia could be tested on one well equipped server. One drawback with VirtualBox would be the missing ARM support.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Let&#39;s use something like a JSON lib for Python as an example. The package generation was successful. But Python is a highly dynamic language, so some submodule is missing due to a wrong install path, although &quot;import json-xy&quot; of the main module works flawlessly. Without further testing this will only surface when a poor developer uses the submodule or when a second package that depends on that submodule is tested by QA and shows errors or misbehaviours.</div>
+<div>Second example, same lib. The JSON lib usually ships with a handy executable to lint check JSON files, but upstream decided to change that. Due to an error in the upstream repo, the executable script file is still there but it&#39;s empty or there is gibberish in it. There is no more lint checking possible with this executable. Automatic testing would show this very fast and without someone sitting there, pasting some JSON into a file to feed the executable with it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Testing UI would be an other story, but I guess you get the idea. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>That do you think about that? I think it would enhance the quality on Mageia in the long run and take some work from QA to find the really tricky bugs.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Jochen</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve already posted this to the Mageia forum, but doktor5000 suggested to also post this to the mailing list.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d like to ask if it would make sense for Mageia to automatically test generated RPM packages. The idea isn&#39;t new. Ubuntu is using regression tests with python-unit for a lot of packages in their distribution: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0909/RegressionTests">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek0909/RegressionTests</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think that using automated regession tests would make the job of QA a lot easier. Failures within packages would surface much faster and a lot of manual checking could be avoided. Don&#39;t get me wrong. Every package that would pass the regression tests should still be checked by a human. ;)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The following scenario could be used for this. After the package hast been generated, the RPM (or job) is passed to the regession test server. This server spawns a new virtual machine with the Mageia version the package should be checked on. When the machine is booted, the package is installed with all the needed dependencies and the tests are executed. If everyting went smooth, the package might be checked again by QA manually. If one or more tests failed, there is something wrong with package, although the package generation worked, and the maintainer/developer might want to take a look at it again.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>To setup this up a combination of hudson (<a href="http://hudson-ci.org">hudson-ci.org</a>) and vagrant (<a href="http://vagrantup.com">vagrantup.com</a>) could be used. vagrant allows to use VirtualBox to boot serveral VM instances from base images that are thrown away after everything is done. This way multiple versions of Mageia could be tested on one well equipped server. One drawback with VirtualBox would be the missing ARM support.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Let&#39;s use something like a JSON lib for Python as an example. The package generation was successful. But Python is a highly dynamic language, so some submodule is missing due to a wrong install path, although &quot;import json-xy&quot; of the main module works flawlessly. Without further testing this will only surface when a poor developer uses the submodule or when a second package that depends on that submodule is tested by QA and shows errors or misbehaviours.</div>
+<div>Second example, same lib. The JSON lib usually ships with a handy executable to lint check JSON files, but upstream decided to change that. Due to an error in the upstream repo, the executable script file is still there but it&#39;s empty or there is gibberish in it. There is no more lint checking possible with this executable. Automatic testing would show this very fast and without someone sitting there, pasting some JSON into a file to feed the executable with it.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Testing UI would be an other story, but I guess you get the idea. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>That do you think about that? I think it would enhance the quality on Mageia in the long run and take some work from QA to find the really tricky bugs.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Jochen</div></div>
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+Hi,<br><br>Has anyone got Mageia 2 or Mageia 3 beta running on Amazon EC2?<br><br>I have been having a go, but not quite got there yet, so thought I&#39;d ask if anyone has already done it?<br><br>Glen<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>Has anyone got Mageia 2 or Mageia 3 beta running on Amazon EC2?<br><br>I have been having a go, but not quite got there yet, so thought I&#39;d ask if anyone has already done it?<br><br>Glen<br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/4 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+We already run existing tests suite during package build... Running them again on a different host would just change the execution environment to use runtime dependencies instead of build time dependencies. I don&#39;t know if the potential results are worth the additional infrastructure needed.</blockquote>
+</div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>I was under the impression, that only some kind of lint checking of the RPM was performed. I&#39;m talking about checking the functionality of the packaged software. Are you already doing that? What kind of tests are performed during packaging?</div>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/4 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+We already run existing tests suite during package build... Running them again on a different host would just change the execution environment to use runtime dependencies instead of build time dependencies. I don&#39;t know if the potential results are worth the additional infrastructure needed.</blockquote>
+</div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>I was under the impression, that only some kind of lint checking of the RPM was performed. I&#39;m talking about checking the functionality of the packaged software. Are you already doing that? What kind of tests are performed during packaging?</div>
+</div>
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+Hi Thomas,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 January 2013 04:41, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Glen Ogilvie skrev 3.1.2013 13:10:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Has anyone got Mageia 2 or Mageia 3 beta running on Amazon EC2?<br>
+<br>
+I have been having a go, but not quite got there yet, so thought I&#39;d ask<br>
+if anyone has already done it?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+There was someone on irc testing it and had some progress...<br>
+I don&#39;t know if he finished his tests.<br>
+<br>
+One thing... you need kernel-server-3.4.24-1 from 2/updates_testing<br>
+to get it to boot (kernel image gz kompressed)<br></blockquote><div><br>Thank you fro the tip about using  kernel-server-3.4.24-1.<br>After switching to this kernel, and rebuilding initrd, with the command:<br>mkinitrd-mkinitrd --with=xen-blkfront --with=xennet --with=xen-netfront initrd-3.4.24-server-2.mga2.img 3.4.24-server-2.mga2<br>
+<br>It worked on Amazon EC2 and I have a nice Amanzon EC2 Mageia2 box.  I&#39;ll create a clean AMI for others to use in the next few weeks!  I released a Mandriva 2011 public AMI about a year ago.<br><br>It went much better than my attempt with 3.3.8-server-2.mga2, which complained about the compression format.<br>
+I see in the change log, you have switched it back to gzip.  <br><br>Searching for the gzip signature, using<br> od -A d -t x1 vmlinuz-3.3.8-server-2.mga2 | grep &#39;1f 8b 08 00&#39;  does not find it, for 3.3.8, but searching for the xz sig, using<br>
+od -A d -t x1 vmlinuz-3.3.8-server-2.mga2 | grep -i &#39;fd 37 7a 58 5a 00&#39;, return a match.  <br><br>I found what is a little bit of a trap for people...  funny now I think about it. <br><br>the output from running file vmlinuz*<br>
+<br>vmlinuz-3.4.24-server-2.mga2:
+ Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 3.4.24-server-2.mga2 
+(<a href="mailto:iurt@ecosse.mageia.org">iurt@ecosse.mageia.org</a>) #1 SMP Tue Dec 18, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x3, 
+Normal VGA<br>vmlinuz-3.3.8-server-2.mga2:  Linux kernel x86 boot 
+executable bzImage, version 3.3.8-server-2.mga2 (<a href="mailto:iurt@jonund.mageia.org">iurt@jonund.mageia.org</a>)
+ #1 SMP Mon Jul 30 , RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA<br><br>It is easy to assume that bzImage mean&#39;s bzip.. but it does not.. it means big zimage.  the actual compression type is not displayed using the file command.<br>
+<br>I wonder if a patch to the file command to also output the compression type for kernel images, might be a good idea?<br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br></div></div>
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+Hi Thomas,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 January 2013 04:41, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Glen Ogilvie skrev 3.1.2013 13:10:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Has anyone got Mageia 2 or Mageia 3 beta running on Amazon EC2?<br>
+<br>
+I have been having a go, but not quite got there yet, so thought I&#39;d ask<br>
+if anyone has already done it?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+There was someone on irc testing it and had some progress...<br>
+I don&#39;t know if he finished his tests.<br>
+<br>
+One thing... you need kernel-server-3.4.24-1 from 2/updates_testing<br>
+to get it to boot (kernel image gz kompressed)<br></blockquote><div><br>Thank you fro the tip about using  kernel-server-3.4.24-1.<br>After switching to this kernel, and rebuilding initrd, with the command:<br>mkinitrd-mkinitrd --with=xen-blkfront --with=xennet --with=xen-netfront initrd-3.4.24-server-2.mga2.img 3.4.24-server-2.mga2<br>
+<br>It worked on Amazon EC2 and I have a nice Amanzon EC2 Mageia2 box.  I&#39;ll create a clean AMI for others to use in the next few weeks!  I released a Mandriva 2011 public AMI about a year ago.<br><br>It went much better than my attempt with 3.3.8-server-2.mga2, which complained about the compression format.<br>
+I see in the change log, you have switched it back to gzip.  <br><br>Searching for the gzip signature, using<br> od -A d -t x1 vmlinuz-3.3.8-server-2.mga2 | grep &#39;1f 8b 08 00&#39;  does not find it, for 3.3.8, but searching for the xz sig, using<br>
+od -A d -t x1 vmlinuz-3.3.8-server-2.mga2 | grep -i &#39;fd 37 7a 58 5a 00&#39;, return a match.  <br><br>I found what is a little bit of a trap for people...  funny now I think about it. <br><br>the output from running file vmlinuz*<br>
+<br>vmlinuz-3.4.24-server-2.mga2:
+ Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 3.4.24-server-2.mga2 
+(<a href="mailto:iurt@ecosse.mageia.org">iurt@ecosse.mageia.org</a>) #1 SMP Tue Dec 18, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x3, 
+Normal VGA<br>vmlinuz-3.3.8-server-2.mga2:  Linux kernel x86 boot 
+executable bzImage, version 3.3.8-server-2.mga2 (<a href="mailto:iurt@jonund.mageia.org">iurt@jonund.mageia.org</a>)
+ #1 SMP Mon Jul 30 , RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA<br><br>It is easy to assume that bzImage mean&#39;s bzip.. but it does not.. it means big zimage.  the actual compression type is not displayed using the file command.<br>
+<br>I wonder if a patch to the file command to also output the compression type for kernel images, might be a good idea?<br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br></div></div>
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+<div>I wrote a script to search an rpm in unofficial 3d party (or other) repos if we don&#39;t want to have them installed in our base urpmi</div><div>Useful too, if we don&#39;t want to make a duplicate work as packagers. </div>
+<div><br></div><div>The script:</div><div><a href="http://glenbox.free.fr/mga3prepo/0.1/mga3prepo.py">http://glenbox.free.fr/mga3prepo/0.1/mga3prepo.py</a></div><div><br></div><div>And a rpm for lazy guys:</div><div><a href="http://www.mageia-gr.org/rpm/2/noarch/mga3prepo-0.1-1mgr2.noarch.rpm">http://www.mageia-gr.org/rpm/2/noarch/mga3prepo-0.1-1mgr2.noarch.rpm</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
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+<div>I wrote a script to search an rpm in unofficial 3d party (or other) repos if we don&#39;t want to have them installed in our base urpmi</div><div>Useful too, if we don&#39;t want to make a duplicate work as packagers. </div>
+<div><br></div><div>The script:</div><div><a href="http://glenbox.free.fr/mga3prepo/0.1/mga3prepo.py">http://glenbox.free.fr/mga3prepo/0.1/mga3prepo.py</a></div><div><br></div><div>And a rpm for lazy guys:</div><div><a href="http://www.mageia-gr.org/rpm/2/noarch/mga3prepo-0.1-1mgr2.noarch.rpm">http://www.mageia-gr.org/rpm/2/noarch/mga3prepo-0.1-1mgr2.noarch.rpm</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:11 AM, sardine <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sardine213@sfr.fr" target="_blank">sardine213@sfr.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+This should work :<br>
+<br>
+pushd %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw<br>
+for i in *;<br>
+do<br>
+  file=`basename $i`<br>
+  ln -sf %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/$i  %{buildroot}%{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file<br>
+done<br>
+popd<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div> Got it working with:</div><div><br></div><div>for i in `%{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*`;</div><div>do</div><div>   file=`basename $i`</div><div>   ln -sf $i  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div>
+
+<div>done </div></div><br clear="all"><div>The game name in the for loop was wrong.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:11 AM, sardine <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sardine213@sfr.fr" target="_blank">sardine213@sfr.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+This should work :<br>
+<br>
+pushd %{buildroot}%{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw<br>
+for i in *;<br>
+do<br>
+  file=`basename $i`<br>
+  ln -sf %{_datadir}/%{name}/basewsw/$i  %{buildroot}%{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file<br>
+done<br>
+popd<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div> Got it working with:</div><div><br></div><div>for i in `%{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*`;</div><div>do</div><div>   file=`basename $i`</div><div>   ln -sf $i  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div>
+
+<div>done </div></div><br clear="all"><div>The game name in the for loop was wrong.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div>-- <br>Juancho
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+Hi Colin,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Well, it worked on x86_64, but  on i586 the symlinks are created under<br>
+&gt; /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw instead of /usr/lib/games/warsow/basewsw<br>
+&gt; but I don&#39;t understand why, it seems that for some reason, the<br>
+&gt; %{_libdir} macro is expanding to /usr/lib64 on the BS. This is the spec<br>
+&gt; if someone wants to take a look:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/warsow-data/current/SPECS/warsow-data.spec?revision=338836&amp;view=markup" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/warsow-data/current/SPECS/warsow-data.spec?revision=338836&amp;view=markup</a><br>
+
+
+<br>
+</div></div>%_libdir expands to the given architecture&#39;s libdir. On i586 it&#39;s<br>
+/usr/lib, on x86_64 it&#39;s /usr/lib64.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I know, that&#39;s why it&#39;s strange to me why when the package is built on the BS the links end up on /usr/lib64 on the i586 package.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Looking at the spec, I think you&#39;re doing it a bit wrong.<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s in the %post for a start which is wrong. It should be done as part<br>
+of package build, not install. Doing it during install will mean the<br>
+files are not &quot;owned&quot; by the package so users cannot tell where they<br>
+come from.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, that was just a suggestion from someone on this thread and it looked to me like the right place too. On this particular case what I&#39;m doing here is not installing some files but creating some symlinks that the other warsow package needs. </div>
+
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Also as you use %_libdir, your package cannot be noarch.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The &quot;warsow-data&quot; package contains the data files of the game which are arch independent. The &quot;warsow&quot; package contains all the binaries and libs, but to be able to run the game, the binary expects to find the data files on the same directory where the libs are, if not then the angelscript module will fail loading. So, what I&#39;m trying to accomplish is that when warsow-data is installed, symlinks of the files in the data directory (/usr/share/warsow/basewsw/*) are created on /usr/lib{64}/games/warsow/basewsw/. It works on x86_64 but on i586 is creating the links on lib64 instead of lib and I don&#39;t get why, you saw the code in the spec, I&#39;m not hardcoding any path on it:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>%define gamelibdir<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">	</span>%{_libdir}/games/warsow</div><div><br></div><div><div>%post</div><div>#Add symbolic links of the contents of basewsw to the directory were the</div>
+
+<div>#package warsow install the libs, if not then angelscript fails to load.</div><div>for i in %{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*;</div><div>do</div><div>  file=`basename $i`</div><div>  ln -sf $i  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div>
+
+<div>done</div><div><br></div><div>%postun</div><div>rm -rf %{gamelibdir}/basewsw</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+If you want to use /usr/lib all the time then do so (if that&#39;s what the<br>
+game binary expects) via %{_prefix}/lib not via %_libdir.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s not the case, as explained before, the symlinks have to be created at /usr/lib for i586 and at /usr/lib64 for x86_64, but on i586 for some reason isn&#39;t doing it.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Also your fdupes command seems to do nothing other than display<br>
+duplicate information, not actually resolve anything. So I&#39;d just remove<br>
+it or add appropriate arguments to do hardlinking as needed. Unless this<br>
+package has a particular problem with duplicated data, then I&#39;d just<br>
+kill it off completely.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll check this too.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Hope that gives you some hints.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the comments.<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
+
+</div></div>
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+Hi Colin,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; Well, it worked on x86_64, but  on i586 the symlinks are created under<br>
+&gt; /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw instead of /usr/lib/games/warsow/basewsw<br>
+&gt; but I don&#39;t understand why, it seems that for some reason, the<br>
+&gt; %{_libdir} macro is expanding to /usr/lib64 on the BS. This is the spec<br>
+&gt; if someone wants to take a look:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/warsow-data/current/SPECS/warsow-data.spec?revision=338836&amp;view=markup" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/warsow-data/current/SPECS/warsow-data.spec?revision=338836&amp;view=markup</a><br>
+
+
+<br>
+</div></div>%_libdir expands to the given architecture&#39;s libdir. On i586 it&#39;s<br>
+/usr/lib, on x86_64 it&#39;s /usr/lib64.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I know, that&#39;s why it&#39;s strange to me why when the package is built on the BS the links end up on /usr/lib64 on the i586 package.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Looking at the spec, I think you&#39;re doing it a bit wrong.<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s in the %post for a start which is wrong. It should be done as part<br>
+of package build, not install. Doing it during install will mean the<br>
+files are not &quot;owned&quot; by the package so users cannot tell where they<br>
+come from.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, that was just a suggestion from someone on this thread and it looked to me like the right place too. On this particular case what I&#39;m doing here is not installing some files but creating some symlinks that the other warsow package needs. </div>
+
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Also as you use %_libdir, your package cannot be noarch.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The &quot;warsow-data&quot; package contains the data files of the game which are arch independent. The &quot;warsow&quot; package contains all the binaries and libs, but to be able to run the game, the binary expects to find the data files on the same directory where the libs are, if not then the angelscript module will fail loading. So, what I&#39;m trying to accomplish is that when warsow-data is installed, symlinks of the files in the data directory (/usr/share/warsow/basewsw/*) are created on /usr/lib{64}/games/warsow/basewsw/. It works on x86_64 but on i586 is creating the links on lib64 instead of lib and I don&#39;t get why, you saw the code in the spec, I&#39;m not hardcoding any path on it:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>%define gamelibdir<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">	</span>%{_libdir}/games/warsow</div><div><br></div><div><div>%post</div><div>#Add symbolic links of the contents of basewsw to the directory were the</div>
+
+<div>#package warsow install the libs, if not then angelscript fails to load.</div><div>for i in %{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*;</div><div>do</div><div>  file=`basename $i`</div><div>  ln -sf $i  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div>
+
+<div>done</div><div><br></div><div>%postun</div><div>rm -rf %{gamelibdir}/basewsw</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+If you want to use /usr/lib all the time then do so (if that&#39;s what the<br>
+game binary expects) via %{_prefix}/lib not via %_libdir.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s not the case, as explained before, the symlinks have to be created at /usr/lib for i586 and at /usr/lib64 for x86_64, but on i586 for some reason isn&#39;t doing it.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Also your fdupes command seems to do nothing other than display<br>
+duplicate information, not actually resolve anything. So I&#39;d just remove<br>
+it or add appropriate arguments to do hardlinking as needed. Unless this<br>
+package has a particular problem with duplicated data, then I&#39;d just<br>
+kill it off completely.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll check this too.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Hope that gives you some hints.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the comments.<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
+
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+07.01.2013 21:19, Juan Luis Baptiste kirjutas:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; This ssh closed connection issue I have seen it since a long time, is there any way to<br>
+&gt; avoid it ? it sometimes breaks the update process of that remote vm.<br>
+</div>If i&#39;m afraid that something might blow my connection during update then i use screen. It<br>
+might drop me out but update will continue and usually quite soon i&#39;m able to reconnect.<br>
+<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div> <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I use screen too and the problem is that the user session is finished, so the screen process is finished too. </span></div>
+
+</div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+07.01.2013 21:19, Juan Luis Baptiste kirjutas:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; This ssh closed connection issue I have seen it since a long time, is there any way to<br>
+&gt; avoid it ? it sometimes breaks the update process of that remote vm.<br>
+</div>If i&#39;m afraid that something might blow my connection during update then i use screen. It<br>
+might drop me out but update will continue and usually quite soon i&#39;m able to reconnect.<br>
+<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div> <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I use screen too and the problem is that the user session is finished, so the screen process is finished too. </span></div>
+
+</div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/7 Yuri Chornoivan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net" target="_blank">yurchor@ukr.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ÎÁÐÉÓÁÎÅ Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:05:04 +0200, Yuri Chornoivan &lt;<a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net" target="_blank">yurchor@ukr.net</a>&gt;:<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ÎÁÐÉÓÁÎÅ Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:29:28 +0200, Marek Laane &lt;<a href="mailto:bald@smail.ee" target="_blank">bald@smail.ee</a>&gt;:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Just about a week to go to the freezing and I remembered one nasty problem.<br>
+There is a not-working button in Network Center called Monitor. The reason<br>
+is simple - net_monitor is not installed by default (at least it was not in<br>
+my case).<br>
+And the second problem is that when you install net_monitor it is still all<br>
+in English. I&#39;m even not sure if it possible at all to translate<br>
+net_monitor for now.<br>
+Surely untranslated tool is nothing we do want? And also not-working button<br>
+in Network Center?<br>
+<br>
+Marek Laane,<br>
+Estonian translator<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+The code is on github [1], ready for translation. But its developer is no longer with us... To the great regrets. Rest in peace Eugeni.<br>
+<br>
+If the developers of Mageia can copy the code somewhere and add extraction scripts we can translate net_monitor. If not... Well, it was never translated.<br>
+<br>
+Best regards,<br>
+Yuri<br>
+<br>
+[1] <a href="https://github.com/eugeni/net_monitor" target="_blank">https://github.com/eugeni/net_<u></u>monitor</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Just in case that someone is interested, attached is the extraction script and POT gettext catalog for the current code.<br>
+<br>
+Can someone from packagers side help us to translate net_monitor?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks in advance for your answers.<br>
+<br>
+Best regards,<br>
+Yuri</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">If I&#39;m not mistaken, in fact there was and still is drakx-net&#39;s &quot;native&quot; code for net monitor (<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/trunk/bin/net_monitor?revision=3607&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/trunk/bin/net_monitor?revision=3607&amp;view=markup</a>) which should be also translated but just is not used after Eugeni developed more modern net monitor ... As a no-coder I&#39;m not sure if it is possible but about not-working button - maybe there is a possibility to use old code and it&#39;s translation if package net_monitor is not installed (it appears to be by default not installed)?</div>
+<div class="gmail_extra">(I CC to dev-list as probably a dedicated developer is needed to resolve our problems ...)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Marek Laane,</div><div class="gmail_extra">
+Estonian translator</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/7 Yuri Chornoivan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net" target="_blank">yurchor@ukr.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ÎÁÐÉÓÁÎÅ Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:05:04 +0200, Yuri Chornoivan &lt;<a href="mailto:yurchor@ukr.net" target="_blank">yurchor@ukr.net</a>&gt;:<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+ÎÁÐÉÓÁÎÅ Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:29:28 +0200, Marek Laane &lt;<a href="mailto:bald@smail.ee" target="_blank">bald@smail.ee</a>&gt;:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Just about a week to go to the freezing and I remembered one nasty problem.<br>
+There is a not-working button in Network Center called Monitor. The reason<br>
+is simple - net_monitor is not installed by default (at least it was not in<br>
+my case).<br>
+And the second problem is that when you install net_monitor it is still all<br>
+in English. I&#39;m even not sure if it possible at all to translate<br>
+net_monitor for now.<br>
+Surely untranslated tool is nothing we do want? And also not-working button<br>
+in Network Center?<br>
+<br>
+Marek Laane,<br>
+Estonian translator<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+The code is on github [1], ready for translation. But its developer is no longer with us... To the great regrets. Rest in peace Eugeni.<br>
+<br>
+If the developers of Mageia can copy the code somewhere and add extraction scripts we can translate net_monitor. If not... Well, it was never translated.<br>
+<br>
+Best regards,<br>
+Yuri<br>
+<br>
+[1] <a href="https://github.com/eugeni/net_monitor" target="_blank">https://github.com/eugeni/net_<u></u>monitor</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Just in case that someone is interested, attached is the extraction script and POT gettext catalog for the current code.<br>
+<br>
+Can someone from packagers side help us to translate net_monitor?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks in advance for your answers.<br>
+<br>
+Best regards,<br>
+Yuri</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">If I&#39;m not mistaken, in fact there was and still is drakx-net&#39;s &quot;native&quot; code for net monitor (<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/trunk/bin/net_monitor?revision=3607&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-net/trunk/bin/net_monitor?revision=3607&amp;view=markup</a>) which should be also translated but just is not used after Eugeni developed more modern net monitor ... As a no-coder I&#39;m not sure if it is possible but about not-working button - maybe there is a possibility to use old code and it&#39;s translation if package net_monitor is not installed (it appears to be by default not installed)?</div>
+<div class="gmail_extra">(I CC to dev-list as probably a dedicated developer is needed to resolve our problems ...)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Marek Laane,</div><div class="gmail_extra">
+Estonian translator</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com" target="_blank">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+In honor of the upcoming version freeze in Cauldron (this week according to current planning), I went looking for packages with newer versions available, that are NOT seen by our youri tool, and therefore will not be seen here:<br>
+
+
+<a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/updates.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/updates.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Because of that, some of you may be interested in some of these packages and be unaware that newer versions are available.<br>
+<br>
+I compiled the list over the past two days, and queried the Sophie bot for the maintainers, so they&#39;re listed below by the IRC log.  Sorry if you&#39;re on IRC and got pinged 50 times this weekend :o)<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Done mines, thanks for the info :)</div><div> </div></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, David Walser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luigiwalser@yahoo.com" target="_blank">luigiwalser@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+In honor of the upcoming version freeze in Cauldron (this week according to current planning), I went looking for packages with newer versions available, that are NOT seen by our youri tool, and therefore will not be seen here:<br>
+
+
+<a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/updates.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/updates.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Because of that, some of you may be interested in some of these packages and be unaware that newer versions are available.<br>
+<br>
+I compiled the list over the past two days, and queried the Sophie bot for the maintainers, so they&#39;re listed below by the IRC log.  Sorry if you&#39;re on IRC and got pinged 50 times this weekend :o)<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Done mines, thanks for the info :)</div><div> </div></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+And glibc-2.17-1 and locales-2.17-1 are now built and should soon<br>
+show up on the mirrors and it should be safe to update then...<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And now on one of my cauldron boxes I can&#39;t update glibc, thus blocking the rest of updates:</div><div><br></div><div>The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:</div>
+
+</div><div>glibc-2.17-1.mga3.x86_64</div><div> (in order to install glibc-2.17-1.mga3.x86_64)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>installing glibc-devel-2.17-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm meta-task-3-22.mga3.noarch.rpm rpm-build-4.11.0-0.beta1.7.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64rpm3-4.11.0-0.beta1.7.mga3.x86_64.rpm rpm-4.11.0-0.beta1.7.mga3.x86_64.rpm python-rpm-4.11.0-0.beta1.7.mga3.x86_64.rpm glibc-2.17-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms</div>
+
+<div>Preparing...                     ###################################################################################################</div><div>Installation failed:    package glibc-6:2.17-1.mga3.x86_64 is already installed</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+And glibc-2.17-1 and locales-2.17-1 are now built and should soon<br>
+show up on the mirrors and it should be safe to update then...<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And now on one of my cauldron boxes I can&#39;t update glibc, thus blocking the rest of updates:</div><div><br></div><div>The following package has to be removed for others to be upgraded:</div>
+
+</div><div>glibc-2.17-1.mga3.x86_64</div><div> (in order to install glibc-2.17-1.mga3.x86_64)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>installing glibc-devel-2.17-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm meta-task-3-22.mga3.noarch.rpm rpm-build-4.11.0-0.beta1.7.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64rpm3-4.11.0-0.beta1.7.mga3.x86_64.rpm rpm-4.11.0-0.beta1.7.mga3.x86_64.rpm python-rpm-4.11.0-0.beta1.7.mga3.x86_64.rpm glibc-2.17-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms</div>
+
+<div>Preparing...                     ###################################################################################################</div><div>Installation failed:    package glibc-6:2.17-1.mga3.x86_64 is already installed</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com" target="_blank">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Try to do a urpmi --replacepkgs glibc</div></div>
+I had some of these when I upgrade an old mga2 install.<br>
+It did the trick.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That did the trick, although when doing it remotely through an ssh connection, the connection was closed and the installation can&#39;t finish. Fortunately it&#39;s a vbox vm which I have rdp access so I was able to run that command &quot;locally&quot;.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>This ssh closed connection issue I have seen it since a long time, is there any way to avoid it ? it sometimes breaks the update process of that remote vm.</div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>
+
+Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com" target="_blank">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Try to do a urpmi --replacepkgs glibc</div></div>
+I had some of these when I upgrade an old mga2 install.<br>
+It did the trick.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That did the trick, although when doing it remotely through an ssh connection, the connection was closed and the installation can&#39;t finish. Fortunately it&#39;s a vbox vm which I have rdp access so I was able to run that command &quot;locally&quot;.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>This ssh closed connection issue I have seen it since a long time, is there any way to avoid it ? it sometimes breaks the update process of that remote vm.</div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>
+
+Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">This ssh closed connection issue I have seen it since a long time, is<br>
+there any way to avoid it ? it sometimes breaks the update process of<br>
+that remote vm.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_<u></u>issues</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the link but I have UsePAM=no commented on /et/ssh/sshd_config, I suppose that&#39;s the default sshd configuration, I have never touched that file on that machine. </div><div>
+
+ </div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">This ssh closed connection issue I have seen it since a long time, is<br>
+there any way to avoid it ? it sometimes breaks the update process of<br>
+that remote vm.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_issues" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Mageia_2_Errata#SSH_daemon_<u></u>issues</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the link but I have UsePAM=no commented on /et/ssh/sshd_config, I suppose that&#39;s the default sshd configuration, I have never touched that file on that machine. </div><div>
+
+ </div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Done</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Envoyé depuis un mobile Samsung</div></div> <br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 2 (Reposted in new thread) <br> <br><br>On 06/01/13 19:21, Balcaen John wrote:<br><br>&gt; Did you try to simply send an email to Luc Menut, Nicolas Lecureuil or me for<br>&gt; that purpose ?<br>&gt;<br>No, but here is a list.<br>Maybe some are fixed in svn, but have not been pushed - I don't have <br>time to check just now.<br><br>audiokonverter<br>k4guitune<br>konvertible<br>kradio<br>basket<br>kmplayer<br>kmplayer-npplayer<br>kubeplayer<br><br></body>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Done</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Envoyé depuis un mobile Samsung</div></div> <br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : Re: [Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 2 (Reposted in new thread) <br> <br><br>On 06/01/13 19:21, Balcaen John wrote:<br><br>&gt; Did you try to simply send an email to Luc Menut, Nicolas Lecureuil or me for<br>&gt; that purpose ?<br>&gt;<br>No, but here is a list.<br>Maybe some are fixed in svn, but have not been pushed - I don't have <br>time to check just now.<br><br>audiokonverter<br>k4guitune<br>konvertible<br>kradio<br>basket<br>kmplayer<br>kmplayer-npplayer<br>kubeplayer<br><br></body>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br> Got it working with:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>for i in `%{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*`;</div><div>do</div><div>   file=`basename $i`</div><div>   ln -sf $i  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div>
+<div>done </div></div><br clear="all"><div>The game name in the for loop was wrong.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, it worked on x86_64, but  on i586 the symlinks are created under /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw instead of /usr/lib/games/warsow/basewsw but I don&#39;t understand why, it seems that for some reason, the %{_libdir} macro is expanding to /usr/lib64 on the BS. This is the spec if someone wants to take a look:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/warsow-data/current/SPECS/warsow-data.spec?revision=338836&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/warsow-data/current/SPECS/warsow-data.spec?revision=338836&amp;view=markup</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br> Got it working with:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>for i in `%{_datadir}/warsow/basewsw/*`;</div><div>do</div><div>   file=`basename $i`</div><div>   ln -sf $i  %{gamelibdir}/basewsw/$file</div>
+<div>done </div></div><br clear="all"><div>The game name in the for loop was wrong.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, it worked on x86_64, but  on i586 the symlinks are created under /usr/lib64/games/warsow/basewsw instead of /usr/lib/games/warsow/basewsw but I don&#39;t understand why, it seems that for some reason, the %{_libdir} macro is expanding to /usr/lib64 on the BS. This is the spec if someone wants to take a look:</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/warsow-data/current/SPECS/warsow-data.spec?revision=338836&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/warsow-data/current/SPECS/warsow-data.spec?revision=338836&amp;view=markup</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Mailing List <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:zlist021@gmail.com" target="_blank">zlist021@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Now that we know there is a problem, what would be the best way to fix it?<br></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I encountered the same bug and reported it:<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8614">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8614</a><br>
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">The problem appears to be related to the util-linux packages which results<br>in bad initrds whenever something triggers them to be rebuilt. I was able to<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+boot the Beta1 DVD into the Rescue System, mount the installation and<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">modify /boot/grub/menu.lst to specify the initrd-*.old file to get the system<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">booting again. After that, see the bug report for which 4 packages to revert<br>
+</div><div class="gmail_extra">until this bug gets fixed.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Mailing List <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:zlist021@gmail.com" target="_blank">zlist021@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Now that we know there is a problem, what would be the best way to fix it?<br></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I encountered the same bug and reported it:<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8614">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8614</a><br>
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">The problem appears to be related to the util-linux packages which results<br>in bad initrds whenever something triggers them to be rebuilt. I was able to<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+boot the Beta1 DVD into the Rescue System, mount the installation and<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">modify /boot/grub/menu.lst to specify the initrd-*.old file to get the system<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">booting again. After that, see the bug report for which 4 packages to revert<br>
+</div><div class="gmail_extra">until this bug gets fixed.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">I noticed that chromium-browser-unstable was version 25 (which is ok), but stable/beta was stick to version 21. <div><br></div><div style>According to </div><div style><a href="http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.fr/">http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.fr/</a><br>
+</div><div style>stable version should be 23, beta version 24. Many sandboxing enhancement comes with recent chrome releases and Native API vesion 23 and further are interesting to me, so it would be cool to have those (stable/beta up to date) in Mageia 3.</div>
+<div style><br></div><div style>Apart from that I really like the way Mageia 3 is going, thanks!</div><div style><br></div><div style><br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">I noticed that chromium-browser-unstable was version 25 (which is ok), but stable/beta was stick to version 21. <div><br></div><div style>According to </div><div style><a href="http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.fr/">http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.fr/</a><br>
+</div><div style>stable version should be 23, beta version 24. Many sandboxing enhancement comes with recent chrome releases and Native API vesion 23 and further are interesting to me, so it would be cool to have those (stable/beta up to date) in Mageia 3.</div>
+<div style><br></div><div style>Apart from that I really like the way Mageia 3 is going, thanks!</div><div style><br></div><div style><br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi friends,<div>i looking in svn repo for some solution about KVM web management solution, but i haven&#39;t founded applications.</div><div><br></div><div style>I used, for a little virtual cluster, VirtualBox + VbTool + phpVirtualbox (all presents in our repo).</div>
+<div style><br></div><div style>For KVM there is great virt-manager for cli gui but nothing for web gui.</div><div style><br></div><div style>Searching online i saw:</div><div style><div><a href="http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com">http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://www.ovirt.org/Home">http://www.ovirt.org/Home</a></div><div><a href="https://www.webvirtmgr.net">https://www.webvirtmgr.net</a></div><div><a href="http://archipelproject.org">http://archipelproject.org</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://karesansui-project.info/">http://karesansui-project.info/</a></div><div><a href="https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr">https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr</a></div></div><div><br>
+</div><div>packaging of some of these is difficult for dependencies not already in our repo, perhaps ganeti could be more simple to package (in repo missing only 2 packages: python-whoosh and django-fields) </div><div><br>
+</div><div>what do you think about ?</div><div>Would we have a web management solution for KVM in Mageia ?</div><div><br></div><div>regards :)<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>
+  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>
+  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi friends,<div>i looking in svn repo for some solution about KVM web management solution, but i haven&#39;t founded applications.</div><div><br></div><div style>I used, for a little virtual cluster, VirtualBox + VbTool + phpVirtualbox (all presents in our repo).</div>
+<div style><br></div><div style>For KVM there is great virt-manager for cli gui but nothing for web gui.</div><div style><br></div><div style>Searching online i saw:</div><div style><div><a href="http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com">http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://www.ovirt.org/Home">http://www.ovirt.org/Home</a></div><div><a href="https://www.webvirtmgr.net">https://www.webvirtmgr.net</a></div><div><a href="http://archipelproject.org">http://archipelproject.org</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://karesansui-project.info/">http://karesansui-project.info/</a></div><div><a href="https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr">https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr</a></div></div><div><br>
+</div><div>packaging of some of these is difficult for dependencies not already in our repo, perhaps ganeti could be more simple to package (in repo missing only 2 packages: python-whoosh and django-fields) </div><div><br>
+</div><div>what do you think about ?</div><div>Would we have a web management solution for KVM in Mageia ?</div><div><br></div><div>regards :)<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>
+  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>
+  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a>
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Armando B. <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hmandevteam@gmail.com" target="_blank">hmandevteam@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div dir="ltr">Hi friends,<div>i looking in svn repo for some solution about KVM web management solution, but i haven&#39;t founded applications.</div><div><br></div><div>I used, for a little virtual cluster, VirtualBox + VbTool + phpVirtualbox (all presents in our repo).</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>For KVM there is great virt-manager for cli gui but nothing for web gui.</div><div><br></div><div>Searching online i saw:</div><div><div><a href="http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com" target="_blank">http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com</a></div>
+
+
+<div><a href="http://www.ovirt.org/Home" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/Home</a></div><div><a href="https://www.webvirtmgr.net" target="_blank">https://www.webvirtmgr.net</a></div><div><a href="http://archipelproject.org" target="_blank">http://archipelproject.org</a></div>
+
+
+<div><a href="http://karesansui-project.info/" target="_blank">http://karesansui-project.info/</a></div><div><a href="https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr" target="_blank">https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr</a></div>
+
+</div><div><br>
+</div><div>packaging of some of these is difficult for dependencies not already in our repo, perhaps ganeti could be more simple to package (in repo missing only 2 packages: python-whoosh and django-fields) </div><div><br>
+
+
+</div><div>what do you think about ?</div><div>Would we have a web management solution for KVM in Mageia ?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div></div><div>While this is something that I would love to see on Mageia, I think it&#39;s late for inclusion on Mageia 3, version freeze is tomorrow, so even if ganeti could be packaged and imported with all of the missing deps today, I&#39;m not sure there&#39;s enough time to test it before tomorrow&#39;s freeze.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Mandriva has a ganeti package, I&#39;m looking at it but as already said, probably it&#39;s too late for mga 3.</div><br clear="all"><div>Cheers,</div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Armando B. <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hmandevteam@gmail.com" target="_blank">hmandevteam@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div dir="ltr">Hi friends,<div>i looking in svn repo for some solution about KVM web management solution, but i haven&#39;t founded applications.</div><div><br></div><div>I used, for a little virtual cluster, VirtualBox + VbTool + phpVirtualbox (all presents in our repo).</div>
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>For KVM there is great virt-manager for cli gui but nothing for web gui.</div><div><br></div><div>Searching online i saw:</div><div><div><a href="http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com" target="_blank">http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com</a></div>
+
+
+<div><a href="http://www.ovirt.org/Home" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/Home</a></div><div><a href="https://www.webvirtmgr.net" target="_blank">https://www.webvirtmgr.net</a></div><div><a href="http://archipelproject.org" target="_blank">http://archipelproject.org</a></div>
+
+
+<div><a href="http://karesansui-project.info/" target="_blank">http://karesansui-project.info/</a></div><div><a href="https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr" target="_blank">https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr</a></div>
+
+</div><div><br>
+</div><div>packaging of some of these is difficult for dependencies not already in our repo, perhaps ganeti could be more simple to package (in repo missing only 2 packages: python-whoosh and django-fields) </div><div><br>
+
+
+</div><div>what do you think about ?</div><div>Would we have a web management solution for KVM in Mageia ?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div></div><div>While this is something that I would love to see on Mageia, I think it&#39;s late for inclusion on Mageia 3, version freeze is tomorrow, so even if ganeti could be packaged and imported with all of the missing deps today, I&#39;m not sure there&#39;s enough time to test it before tomorrow&#39;s freeze.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Mandriva has a ganeti package, I&#39;m looking at it but as already said, probably it&#39;s too late for mga 3.</div><br clear="all"><div>Cheers,</div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<div dir="ltr">I tryed also WebVirtMgr from git repo <a href="https://github.com/retspen/webvirtmgr" target="_blank">https://github.com/retspen/webvirtmgr</a><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">it need only django python-virtinst httpd mod_python mod_wsgi (all in our repo)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">it worked after some modifies:</div><div class="gmail_extra">1. create webvirtmgr subfolder and copy all files into</div><div class="gmail_extra">2. launch ./manage.py syncdb into root source folder</div>
+<div class="gmail_extra" style>3. modify /etc/sysconfig/libvirtd uncommented LIBVIRTD_ARGS=&quot;--listen&quot;</div><div class="gmail_extra" style>4. modify /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf as follow:</div><div class="gmail_extra" style>
+<div class="gmail_extra">   listen_tls = 0</div><div class="gmail_extra">   listen_tcp = 1</div><div class="gmail_extra" style>5. restart libvirtd service</div></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>6. launch internal webserver with ./manage.py runserver <a href="http://127.0.0.1:8000">127.0.0.1:8000</a></div>
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>in <a href="https://www.webvirtmgr.net/docs/">https://www.webvirtmgr.net/docs/</a> is required to add user by using saslpasswd2 and THIS IS PROBLEM: saslpasswd2 -a libvirt fred (as sampe) don&#39;t create passwd.db file. In messages i saw:</div>
+<div class="gmail_extra" style>saslpasswd2: could not find auxprop plugin, was searching for [all]<br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>this cause problem with authentication, see images <a href="http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4402/noauth.jpg">http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4402/noauth.jpg</a></div>
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>if we solve this problem could try to use also this web frontend.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>have you any idea to fix ?</div>
+<div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/8 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Armando B. <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hmandevteam@gmail.com" target="_blank">hmandevteam@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<div dir="ltr">Hi friends,<div>i looking in svn repo for some solution about KVM web management solution, but i haven&#39;t founded applications.</div><div><br></div><div>I used, for a little virtual cluster, VirtualBox + VbTool + phpVirtualbox (all presents in our repo).</div>
+
+
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>For KVM there is great virt-manager for cli gui but nothing for web gui.</div><div><br></div><div>Searching online i saw:</div><div><div><a href="http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com" target="_blank">http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com</a></div>
+
+
+
+
+<div><a href="http://www.ovirt.org/Home" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/Home</a></div><div><a href="https://www.webvirtmgr.net" target="_blank">https://www.webvirtmgr.net</a></div><div><a href="http://archipelproject.org" target="_blank">http://archipelproject.org</a></div>
+
+
+
+
+<div><a href="http://karesansui-project.info/" target="_blank">http://karesansui-project.info/</a></div><div><a href="https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr" target="_blank">https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr</a></div>
+
+
+
+</div><div><br>
+</div><div>packaging of some of these is difficult for dependencies not already in our repo, perhaps ganeti could be more simple to package (in repo missing only 2 packages: python-whoosh and django-fields) </div><div><br>
+
+
+
+
+</div><div>what do you think about ?</div><div>Would we have a web management solution for KVM in Mageia ?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div><div>While this is something that I would love to see on Mageia, I think it&#39;s late for inclusion on Mageia 3, version freeze is tomorrow, so even if ganeti could be packaged and imported with all of the missing deps today, I&#39;m not sure there&#39;s enough time to test it before tomorrow&#39;s freeze.</div>
+
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>Mandriva has a ganeti package, I&#39;m looking at it but as already said, probably it&#39;s too late for mga 3.</div><br clear="all"><div>Cheers,</div><span><font color="#888888">-- <br>Juancho
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>
+
+  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">I tryed also WebVirtMgr from git repo <a href="https://github.com/retspen/webvirtmgr" target="_blank">https://github.com/retspen/webvirtmgr</a><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">it need only django python-virtinst httpd mod_python mod_wsgi (all in our repo)</div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra">it worked after some modifies:</div><div class="gmail_extra">1. create webvirtmgr subfolder and copy all files into</div><div class="gmail_extra">2. launch ./manage.py syncdb into root source folder</div>
+<div class="gmail_extra" style>3. modify /etc/sysconfig/libvirtd uncommented LIBVIRTD_ARGS=&quot;--listen&quot;</div><div class="gmail_extra" style>4. modify /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf as follow:</div><div class="gmail_extra" style>
+<div class="gmail_extra">   listen_tls = 0</div><div class="gmail_extra">   listen_tcp = 1</div><div class="gmail_extra" style>5. restart libvirtd service</div></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>6. launch internal webserver with ./manage.py runserver <a href="http://127.0.0.1:8000">127.0.0.1:8000</a></div>
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>in <a href="https://www.webvirtmgr.net/docs/">https://www.webvirtmgr.net/docs/</a> is required to add user by using saslpasswd2 and THIS IS PROBLEM: saslpasswd2 -a libvirt fred (as sampe) don&#39;t create passwd.db file. In messages i saw:</div>
+<div class="gmail_extra" style>saslpasswd2: could not find auxprop plugin, was searching for [all]<br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>this cause problem with authentication, see images <a href="http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4402/noauth.jpg">http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4402/noauth.jpg</a></div>
+<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>if we solve this problem could try to use also this web frontend.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style>have you any idea to fix ?</div>
+<div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/8 Juan Luis Baptiste <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org" target="_blank">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Armando B. <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hmandevteam@gmail.com" target="_blank">hmandevteam@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<div dir="ltr">Hi friends,<div>i looking in svn repo for some solution about KVM web management solution, but i haven&#39;t founded applications.</div><div><br></div><div>I used, for a little virtual cluster, VirtualBox + VbTool + phpVirtualbox (all presents in our repo).</div>
+
+
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>For KVM there is great virt-manager for cli gui but nothing for web gui.</div><div><br></div><div>Searching online i saw:</div><div><div><a href="http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com" target="_blank">http://www.openqrm-enterprise.com</a></div>
+
+
+
+
+<div><a href="http://www.ovirt.org/Home" target="_blank">http://www.ovirt.org/Home</a></div><div><a href="https://www.webvirtmgr.net" target="_blank">https://www.webvirtmgr.net</a></div><div><a href="http://archipelproject.org" target="_blank">http://archipelproject.org</a></div>
+
+
+
+
+<div><a href="http://karesansui-project.info/" target="_blank">http://karesansui-project.info/</a></div><div><a href="https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr" target="_blank">https://code.osuosl.org/projects/ganeti-webmgr</a></div>
+
+
+
+</div><div><br>
+</div><div>packaging of some of these is difficult for dependencies not already in our repo, perhaps ganeti could be more simple to package (in repo missing only 2 packages: python-whoosh and django-fields) </div><div><br>
+
+
+
+
+</div><div>what do you think about ?</div><div>Would we have a web management solution for KVM in Mageia ?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div><div>While this is something that I would love to see on Mageia, I think it&#39;s late for inclusion on Mageia 3, version freeze is tomorrow, so even if ganeti could be packaged and imported with all of the missing deps today, I&#39;m not sure there&#39;s enough time to test it before tomorrow&#39;s freeze.</div>
+
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>Mandriva has a ganeti package, I&#39;m looking at it but as already said, probably it&#39;s too late for mga 3.</div><br clear="all"><div>Cheers,</div><span><font color="#888888">-- <br>Juancho
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>
+
+  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a>
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+version freeze only prevent you to update an existing package, not to introduce a new one.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I didn&#39;t knew this, thanks !!</div></div><br clear="all"><div>For new packages, when would be the deadline ?</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+version freeze only prevent you to update an existing package, not to introduce a new one.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I didn&#39;t knew this, thanks !!</div></div><br clear="all"><div>For new packages, when would be the deadline ?</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
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+<div dir="ltr">Thanks Guillame. I wasn&#39;t aware of this and did not manage to find that in the wiki. I thought the only tests performed where RPM lint checks, manual checks by the QA and some undefined checks by the maintainers.<div>
+<br></div><div>Anyhow, I assume the &#39;make test&#39; is performed on the build server. Your experiences might prove me wrong, but wouldn&#39;t it be better to perform tests on a different installation?<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/4 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 04/01/2013 10:15, Jochen Breuer a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+2013/1/4 Guillaume Rousse &lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a><br>
+&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.<u></u>com</a>&gt;&gt;<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+    We already run existing tests suite during package build... Running<br>
+    them again on a different host would just change the execution<br>
+    environment to use runtime dependencies instead of build time<br>
+    dependencies. I don&#39;t know if the potential results are worth the<br>
+    additional infrastructure needed.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I was under the impression, that only some kind of lint checking of the<br>
+RPM was performed. I&#39;m talking about checking the functionality of the<br>
+packaged software. Are you already doing that? What kind of tests are<br>
+performed during packaging?<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+Running &#39;make check&#39;, or &#39;make test&#39;, or any other software test suite. Just check for %check section in package spec file, for instance:<br>
+<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SPECS/python.spec?revision=278990&amp;view=markup" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/<u></u>packages/cauldron/python/<u></u>current/SPECS/python.spec?<u></u>revision=278990&amp;view=markup</a><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #66:<br>
+<br>
+bit bucket overflow<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Thanks Guillame. I wasn&#39;t aware of this and did not manage to find that in the wiki. I thought the only tests performed where RPM lint checks, manual checks by the QA and some undefined checks by the maintainers.<div>
+<br></div><div>Anyhow, I assume the &#39;make test&#39; is performed on the build server. Your experiences might prove me wrong, but wouldn&#39;t it be better to perform tests on a different installation?<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/4 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 04/01/2013 10:15, Jochen Breuer a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+2013/1/4 Guillaume Rousse &lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a><br>
+&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.<u></u>com</a>&gt;&gt;<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+    We already run existing tests suite during package build... Running<br>
+    them again on a different host would just change the execution<br>
+    environment to use runtime dependencies instead of build time<br>
+    dependencies. I don&#39;t know if the potential results are worth the<br>
+    additional infrastructure needed.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I was under the impression, that only some kind of lint checking of the<br>
+RPM was performed. I&#39;m talking about checking the functionality of the<br>
+packaged software. Are you already doing that? What kind of tests are<br>
+performed during packaging?<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+Running &#39;make check&#39;, or &#39;make test&#39;, or any other software test suite. Just check for %check section in package spec file, for instance:<br>
+<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/python/current/SPECS/python.spec?revision=278990&amp;view=markup" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/<u></u>packages/cauldron/python/<u></u>current/SPECS/python.spec?<u></u>revision=278990&amp;view=markup</a><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #66:<br>
+<br>
+bit bucket overflow<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk" target="_blank">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is there any other way of getting back in again?<br>&gt; (I had got quite fond of Mga3...)<br><br></div>You should be able to boot the Beta1 installation media and select the Upgrade option.<br><br></div>It will go really fast because there&#39;s really nothing to upgrade and then the installer should rebuild the initrd(s) correctly.<br>
+<br></div>HTH -- RJ<br><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk" target="_blank">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is there any other way of getting back in again?<br>&gt; (I had got quite fond of Mga3...)<br><br></div>You should be able to boot the Beta1 installation media and select the Upgrade option.<br><br></div>It will go really fast because there&#39;s really nothing to upgrade and then the installer should rebuild the initrd(s) correctly.<br>
+<br></div>HTH -- RJ<br><br></div>
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+Color:
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+Media keys:
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+Power:
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+- Hide critical battery warning when power is plugged
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+Printers:
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+Wacom:
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+XRandr:
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>I think this is good this way what is important is internal miror. I just updated my cauldron without pb so i tjink yiu should change yiur miror or wait. As you can see the rebuild is quick with 4 build host.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Envoyé depuis un mobile Samsung</div></div> <br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : JA Magallón &lt;jamagallon@ono.com&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : Linux Mageia-Dev &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : [Mageia-dev] Mass rebuild and mirrors <br> <br><br>Hi...<br><br>An idea: would you think it could be sane to pause the mass rebuild a couple<br>hours to let mirrors stabilise ? Or is it better to do it once and for all ?<br>Anyone has measured the time needed for that (the resync of mirrors) ?<br><br>TIA<br><br>-- <br>J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Winter is coming...<br></body>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Hello</span><span>,</span><br><span class="hps">I&#39;m</span> <span class="hps">sorry</span><span class="">,</span> <span class="hps">I&#39;m just</span> <span class="hps">Padawan</span><span class="">,</span>  <span class="hps">I thought it was</span> <span class="hps">working fine</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">I&#39;ll try to</span> <span class="hps">fix it</span> <span class="hps">as</span> <span class="hps">soon</span> <span class="hps">as</span> <span class="hps">possible<br>
+</span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What would be</span> <span class="hps">the best way</span> <span class="hps">to fix it</span><span class="">?<br><br>Bersuit<br><br></span></span><div class="gmail_quote">
+2013/1/12 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I see you blindly imported the proftpd package from Mandriva a few days ago.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=337420" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=337420</a><br>
+<br>
+This overwrote the changes I pushed a few weeks back.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=331311" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=331311</a><br>
+<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=331662" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=331662</a><br>
+<br>
+And you&#39;ve added a whole bunch of legacy service calls in %post and<br>
+%postun. Please use systemctl syntax here.<br>
+<br>
+In addition, you&#39;ve overwritten several changes we&#39;ve made in the last<br>
+year. e.g. xinetd fixes, ftpuser fixes etc.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Please be careful not to break things and don&#39;t blindly import something<br>
+on the assumption it&#39;s better :(<br>
+<br>
+I think it&#39;s is likely quite rare now that importing another distro&#39;s<br>
+package over the top of a package we&#39;ve updated several times is a good<br>
+idea...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve reapplied the changes we made now, but I&#39;m guessing a more thorough<br>
+review would still be a good idea.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve got enough of a package backlog to fix up, so please ensure you do<br>
+not break things again :(<br>
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Hello</span><span>,</span><br><span class="hps">I&#39;m</span> <span class="hps">sorry</span><span class="">,</span> <span class="hps">I&#39;m just</span> <span class="hps">Padawan</span><span class="">,</span>  <span class="hps">I thought it was</span> <span class="hps">working fine</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">I&#39;ll try to</span> <span class="hps">fix it</span> <span class="hps">as</span> <span class="hps">soon</span> <span class="hps">as</span> <span class="hps">possible<br>
+</span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What would be</span> <span class="hps">the best way</span> <span class="hps">to fix it</span><span class="">?<br><br>Bersuit<br><br></span></span><div class="gmail_quote">
+2013/1/12 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I see you blindly imported the proftpd package from Mandriva a few days ago.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=337420" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=337420</a><br>
+<br>
+This overwrote the changes I pushed a few weeks back.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=331311" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=331311</a><br>
+<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=331662" target="_blank">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=331662</a><br>
+<br>
+And you&#39;ve added a whole bunch of legacy service calls in %post and<br>
+%postun. Please use systemctl syntax here.<br>
+<br>
+In addition, you&#39;ve overwritten several changes we&#39;ve made in the last<br>
+year. e.g. xinetd fixes, ftpuser fixes etc.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Please be careful not to break things and don&#39;t blindly import something<br>
+on the assumption it&#39;s better :(<br>
+<br>
+I think it&#39;s is likely quite rare now that importing another distro&#39;s<br>
+package over the top of a package we&#39;ve updated several times is a good<br>
+idea...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve reapplied the changes we made now, but I&#39;m guessing a more thorough<br>
+review would still be a good idea.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve got enough of a package backlog to fix up, so please ensure you do<br>
+not break things again :(<br>
+<br>
+Col<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span></span>Hi all<br><br>Excuse my mentor, Juancho alert me, but trust too much on me<br>Maybe I trust too much in other distros<br>I would like to work with you to learn more about the packaging of servers (systemctl etc...)<br>
+I ask thousand excuses again.<br><br>Saludos.<br><br>Bersuit<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/12 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 12/01/13 16:14 did gyre and<br>
+gimble:<br>
+<div><div>&gt; On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Colin Guthrie wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As mentioned previously it&#39;s likely far better these days to NOT import<br>
+&gt;&gt; whole packages from other distros.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t see any reason for &quot;importing&quot; a package that is already in svn.<br>
+&gt; Any merging should be done in a svn checkout and then committed<br>
+&gt; normally. SRPM importing is useful for importing new packages.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s more or less what I was saying unless I&#39;ve missed something? Or<br>
+are you just arguing semantics over &quot;import&quot; vs. &quot;replace whole spec&quot;?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<div><div><br>
+Col<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span></span>Hi all<br><br>Excuse my mentor, Juancho alert me, but trust too much on me<br>Maybe I trust too much in other distros<br>I would like to work with you to learn more about the packaging of servers (systemctl etc...)<br>
+I ask thousand excuses again.<br><br>Saludos.<br><br>Bersuit<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/12 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 12/01/13 16:14 did gyre and<br>
+gimble:<br>
+<div><div>&gt; On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Colin Guthrie wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As mentioned previously it&#39;s likely far better these days to NOT import<br>
+&gt;&gt; whole packages from other distros.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t see any reason for &quot;importing&quot; a package that is already in svn.<br>
+&gt; Any merging should be done in a svn checkout and then committed<br>
+&gt; normally. SRPM importing is useful for importing new packages.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s more or less what I was saying unless I&#39;ve missed something? Or<br>
+are you just arguing semantics over &quot;import&quot; vs. &quot;replace whole spec&quot;?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<div><div><br>
+Col<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Subject: alacarte 3.7.3
+From: &quot;Jasper St. Pierre&quot; &lt;install-module@master.gnome.org&gt;
+To: FTP Releases &lt;ftp-release-list@gnome.org&gt;
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+
+About Main Menu
+===============
+
+Change which applications are shown on the main menu
+
+ChangeLog
+=========
+
+009ec01 (HEAD, origin/master, origin/HEAD, master) Updated Slovenian
+translation
+M	po/sl.po
+a9cf43a Updated Hungarian translation
+M	po/hu.po
+d71b7b5 Updated Polish translation
+M	po/pl.po
+72ba83a Enforce the use of Gtk 3.0; Gtk 2.0 is no introspecatble and
+thus does not serve us anyway.
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	Alacarte/util.py
+fde7f58 alacarte: Simplify the runner script
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	alacarte.in
+fc83511 ItemEditor: Refactor and deduplicate code
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+75717fc ItemEditor: Make the dialog names the same
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	data/directory-editor.ui
+M	data/launcher-editor.ui
+bf776b3 Make item editors modal on top of the main window
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+b2ade7e MainWindow: Use the appropriate editor when right-clicking
+on items
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+fb569f0 ItemEditor: Make sure to set the Type field
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+536c2c4 ItemEditor: Add a directory editor as well
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	data/Makefile.am
+A	data/directory-editor.ui
+M	po/POTFILES.in
+41f6f97 ItemEditor: Refactor out some synchronization setters
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+a1c4498 ItemEditor: Refactor out IconPicker UI
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+93e78f9 ItemEditor: Make the name/exec fields required
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+73321bd ItemEditor: Use an absolute path to the builder file
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+3a3dc69 ItemEditor: Set the default focus correctly
+M	data/launcher-editor.ui
+c850f46 MainWindow: Use the new LauncherEditor for new files
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+8f2d7cd ItemEditor: Handle missing files better
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+3c987dc MainWindow: Remove unused variables
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+968c81b Add our own custom launcher editor
+A	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	Alacarte/Makefile.am
+M	data/Makefile.am
+A	data/launcher-editor.ui
+M	po/POTFILES.in
+1443592 util: Fix fillKeyFile
+M	Alacarte/util.py
+23f0318 MainWindow: Make property editing work again
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+a3152fb alacarte.ui: Put back menu items
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+51034a4 alacarte.ui: Do a lot of rearranging
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+cfcea0b alacarte.ui: Line up and clean up widgets
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+0e52442 alacarte.ui: Clean up
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+5890bcd alacarte.ui: Use a GtkWindow
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+ed19984 MainWindow: Construct MenuEditor separately
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
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+55dfaed Clean up builder files
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+e65fd34 Allow specifying a menu basename other than applications.menu
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+M	Alacarte/MenuEditor.py
+M	alacarte.in
+075b8f0 alacarte.in: Fix indentation
+M	alacarte.in
+d3e706d Updated Hebrew translation.
+M	po/he.po
+2fb6667 Updated Hungarian translation
+M	po/hu.po
+147fbe4 Updated Brazilian Portuguese translation
+M	po/pt_BR.po
+eed3d62 Post-release version bump
+M	configure.ac
+eaedd3b (tag: 3.7.2) Release 3.7.2
+
+
+Download
+========
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/alacarte/3.7/alacarte-3.7.3.tar.xz (176K)
+  sha256sum: 7467b7d486525e521d47d57de4ce1bb06a0ad4db372e64a60c6f2fb784415a2c
+
+_______________________________________________
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+ftp-release-list@gnome.org
+https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ftp-release-list
+]
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+About Main Menu
+===============
+
+Change which applications are shown on the main menu
+
+ChangeLog
+=========
+
+009ec01 (HEAD, origin/master, origin/HEAD, master) Updated Slovenian
+translation
+M	po/sl.po
+a9cf43a Updated Hungarian translation
+M	po/hu.po
+d71b7b5 Updated Polish translation
+M	po/pl.po
+72ba83a Enforce the use of Gtk 3.0; Gtk 2.0 is no introspecatble and
+thus does not serve us anyway.
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	Alacarte/util.py
+fde7f58 alacarte: Simplify the runner script
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	alacarte.in
+fc83511 ItemEditor: Refactor and deduplicate code
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+75717fc ItemEditor: Make the dialog names the same
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	data/directory-editor.ui
+M	data/launcher-editor.ui
+bf776b3 Make item editors modal on top of the main window
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+b2ade7e MainWindow: Use the appropriate editor when right-clicking
+on items
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+fb569f0 ItemEditor: Make sure to set the Type field
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+536c2c4 ItemEditor: Add a directory editor as well
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	data/Makefile.am
+A	data/directory-editor.ui
+M	po/POTFILES.in
+41f6f97 ItemEditor: Refactor out some synchronization setters
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+a1c4498 ItemEditor: Refactor out IconPicker UI
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+93e78f9 ItemEditor: Make the name/exec fields required
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+73321bd ItemEditor: Use an absolute path to the builder file
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+3a3dc69 ItemEditor: Set the default focus correctly
+M	data/launcher-editor.ui
+c850f46 MainWindow: Use the new LauncherEditor for new files
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+8f2d7cd ItemEditor: Handle missing files better
+M	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+3c987dc MainWindow: Remove unused variables
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+968c81b Add our own custom launcher editor
+A	Alacarte/ItemEditor.py
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	Alacarte/Makefile.am
+M	data/Makefile.am
+A	data/launcher-editor.ui
+M	po/POTFILES.in
+1443592 util: Fix fillKeyFile
+M	Alacarte/util.py
+23f0318 MainWindow: Make property editing work again
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+a3152fb alacarte.ui: Put back menu items
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+51034a4 alacarte.ui: Do a lot of rearranging
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+cfcea0b alacarte.ui: Line up and clean up widgets
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+0e52442 alacarte.ui: Clean up
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+5890bcd alacarte.ui: Use a GtkWindow
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+ed19984 MainWindow: Construct MenuEditor separately
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	alacarte.in
+55dfaed Clean up builder files
+M	data/alacarte.ui
+e65fd34 Allow specifying a menu basename other than applications.menu
+M	Alacarte/MainWindow.py
+M	Alacarte/MenuEditor.py
+M	alacarte.in
+075b8f0 alacarte.in: Fix indentation
+M	alacarte.in
+d3e706d Updated Hebrew translation.
+M	po/he.po
+2fb6667 Updated Hungarian translation
+M	po/hu.po
+147fbe4 Updated Brazilian Portuguese translation
+M	po/pt_BR.po
+eed3d62 Post-release version bump
+M	configure.ac
+eaedd3b (tag: 3.7.2) Release 3.7.2
+
+
+Download
+========
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/alacarte/3.7/alacarte-3.7.3.tar.xz (176K)
+  sha256sum: 7467b7d486525e521d47d57de4ce1bb06a0ad4db372e64a60c6f2fb784415a2c
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+About GNOME Boxes
+=================
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+News
+====
+
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+
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+  - Tamil
+
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+Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) &lt;zeeshanak@gnome.org&gt;
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+
+Download
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+
+All contributors to this release:
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+Christophe Fergeau &lt;cfergeau@redhat.com&gt;
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+
+
+
+Download
+========
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+News
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+
+* Bug fixed
+  690860 - Rework serialization format to be XHTML 
+
+* New translations:
+  ca
+  pt
+  zh
+
+
+ChangeLog
+=========
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/bijiben/3.7/bijiben-3.7.4.changes  (12.1K)
+
+Download
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+About Bijiben
+=============
+
+Write out notes, every detail matters
+
+News
+====
+
+* Bug fixed
+  690860 - Rework serialization format to be XHTML 
+
+* New translations:
+  ca
+  pt
+  zh
+
+
+ChangeLog
+=========
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/bijiben/3.7/bijiben-3.7.4.changes  (12.1K)
+
+Download
+========
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/bijiben/3.7/bijiben-3.7.4.tar.xz (369K)
+  sha256sum: c91c43ce01d85fa89bd08ad93f57d742a8b428ad46e8e7832ebbda47a75e8c16
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>My mistake too, when Alfonso told me he was going to use the mdv&#39;s spec I didn&#39;t explicitly told him to merge back any change on mga spec (maybe for me this was something implicit to be done but now I see it isn&#39;t for everybody), and just checked his work on the update which was ok.</div>
+
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll be more careful in the future when reviewing my apprentice&#39;s work, I&#39;m sorry for the trouble caused by me and Alfonso.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+
+
+On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Bersuit Vera <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bersuit.cooker@gmail.com" target="_blank">bersuit.cooker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<span></span>Hi all<br><br>Excuse my mentor, Juancho alert me, but trust too much on me<br>Maybe I trust too much in other distros<br>I would like to work with you to learn more about the packaging of servers (systemctl etc...)<br>
+
+
+
+
+I ask thousand excuses again.<br><br>Saludos.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>Bersuit</font></span><div><div><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/12 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+
+
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 12/01/13 16:14 did gyre and<br>
+gimble:<br>
+<div><div>&gt; On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Colin Guthrie wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As mentioned previously it&#39;s likely far better these days to NOT import<br>
+&gt;&gt; whole packages from other distros.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t see any reason for &quot;importing&quot; a package that is already in svn.<br>
+&gt; Any merging should be done in a svn checkout and then committed<br>
+&gt; normally. SRPM importing is useful for importing new packages.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s more or less what I was saying unless I&#39;ve missed something? Or<br>
+are you just arguing semantics over &quot;import&quot; vs. &quot;replace whole spec&quot;?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<div><div><br>
+Col<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
+</div>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>My mistake too, when Alfonso told me he was going to use the mdv&#39;s spec I didn&#39;t explicitly told him to merge back any change on mga spec (maybe for me this was something implicit to be done but now I see it isn&#39;t for everybody), and just checked his work on the update which was ok.</div>
+
+
+
+<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll be more careful in the future when reviewing my apprentice&#39;s work, I&#39;m sorry for the trouble caused by me and Alfonso.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+
+
+On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Bersuit Vera <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bersuit.cooker@gmail.com" target="_blank">bersuit.cooker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<span></span>Hi all<br><br>Excuse my mentor, Juancho alert me, but trust too much on me<br>Maybe I trust too much in other distros<br>I would like to work with you to learn more about the packaging of servers (systemctl etc...)<br>
+
+
+
+
+I ask thousand excuses again.<br><br>Saludos.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>Bersuit</font></span><div><div><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/12 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+
+
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 12/01/13 16:14 did gyre and<br>
+gimble:<br>
+<div><div>&gt; On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Colin Guthrie wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As mentioned previously it&#39;s likely far better these days to NOT import<br>
+&gt;&gt; whole packages from other distros.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t see any reason for &quot;importing&quot; a package that is already in svn.<br>
+&gt; Any merging should be done in a svn checkout and then committed<br>
+&gt; normally. SRPM importing is useful for importing new packages.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>That&#39;s more or less what I was saying unless I&#39;ve missed something? Or<br>
+are you just arguing semantics over &quot;import&quot; vs. &quot;replace whole spec&quot;?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<div><div><br>
+Col<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Colin Guthrie<br>
+colin(at)<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://colin.guthr.ie/" target="_blank">http://colin.guthr.ie/</a><br>
+<br>
+Day Job:<br>
+  Tribalogic Limited <a href="http://www.tribalogic.net/" target="_blank">http://www.tribalogic.net/</a><br>
+Open Source:<br>
+  Mageia Contributor <a href="http://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/</a><br>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <a href="http://www.pulseaudio.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</a><br>
+  Trac Hacker <a href="http://trac.edgewall.org/" target="_blank">http://trac.edgewall.org/</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Juancho
+</div>
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+News
+====
+
+ * Fix crash in scan remote folder
+ * Updated translations (an, fur, pt_BR, ta, ug)
+
+
+ChangeLog
+=========
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+
+Download
+========
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+News
+====
+
+ * Fix crash in scan remote folder
+ * Updated translations (an, fur, pt_BR, ta, ug)
+
+
+ChangeLog
+=========
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+
+Download
+========
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+Hi Olav<br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Thanks</span><span class="">, I&#39;ll talk</span> <span class="hps">to you</span> <span class="hps">when working</span> <span class="hps">in</span> <span class="hps">gnome</span> <span class="hps">packages.<br>
+Send me gnome junior job anytime, I&#39;am a mageia gnome soldier :-P<br><br>Saludos. <br><br>Bersuit<br><br><br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/15 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 08:33:18AM +0100, Bersuit Vera wrote:<br>
+&gt; I ask excuse,  just  I saw the update on<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/updates.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/updates.html</a>,<br>
+&gt; I trush the updates are to stable. I&#39;am just a Padawan.<br>
+<br>
+</div>No problem at all, this is how anyone learns.<br>
+<br>
+I was hoping you wanted to become the vino or vinagre maintainer though :P<br>
+<br>
+FYI, almost all software on <a href="http://ftp.gnome.org" target="_blank">ftp.gnome.org</a> follows<br>
+a.b.c and optionally .d<br>
+<br>
+where<br>
+a = major<br>
+b = minor (even=stable, uneven=unstable)<br>
+c = micro (generally ok to update)<br>
+d = pico  (only used in case previous version did not build, highly<br>
+           recommended to update if a.b.c is still the same)<br>
+<br>
+so<br>
+3.6.0 =&gt; 3.6.1 is just a stable update<br>
+3.6.0 =&gt; 3.6.0.2 likely fixed some build issues which you might or not<br>
+not have experienced on Mageia<br>
+3.6.2 =&gt; 3.7.2 means the it goes from stable to unstable<br>
+3.7.91 =&gt; 3.8.0 means a new stable release<br>
+<br>
+Note that on GNOME, the software is QA tested from git. However, the<br>
+tarballs are released individually by maintainers. Then after tarball<br>
+releases it is checked by the release team. Could happen that you first<br>
+have 3.6.x, quickly followed by 3.6.x.1 or even a 3.6.x.2. Generally<br>
+this only happens for the first few micro releases in a new development<br>
+cycle (e.g. 3.7.0 to 3.7.4).<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi Olav<br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Thanks</span><span class="">, I&#39;ll talk</span> <span class="hps">to you</span> <span class="hps">when working</span> <span class="hps">in</span> <span class="hps">gnome</span> <span class="hps">packages.<br>
+Send me gnome junior job anytime, I&#39;am a mageia gnome soldier :-P<br><br>Saludos. <br><br>Bersuit<br><br><br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/15 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 08:33:18AM +0100, Bersuit Vera wrote:<br>
+&gt; I ask excuse,  just  I saw the update on<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/updates.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/updates.html</a>,<br>
+&gt; I trush the updates are to stable. I&#39;am just a Padawan.<br>
+<br>
+</div>No problem at all, this is how anyone learns.<br>
+<br>
+I was hoping you wanted to become the vino or vinagre maintainer though :P<br>
+<br>
+FYI, almost all software on <a href="http://ftp.gnome.org" target="_blank">ftp.gnome.org</a> follows<br>
+a.b.c and optionally .d<br>
+<br>
+where<br>
+a = major<br>
+b = minor (even=stable, uneven=unstable)<br>
+c = micro (generally ok to update)<br>
+d = pico  (only used in case previous version did not build, highly<br>
+           recommended to update if a.b.c is still the same)<br>
+<br>
+so<br>
+3.6.0 =&gt; 3.6.1 is just a stable update<br>
+3.6.0 =&gt; 3.6.0.2 likely fixed some build issues which you might or not<br>
+not have experienced on Mageia<br>
+3.6.2 =&gt; 3.7.2 means the it goes from stable to unstable<br>
+3.7.91 =&gt; 3.8.0 means a new stable release<br>
+<br>
+Note that on GNOME, the software is QA tested from git. However, the<br>
+tarballs are released individually by maintainers. Then after tarball<br>
+releases it is checked by the release team. Could happen that you first<br>
+have 3.6.x, quickly followed by 3.6.x.1 or even a 3.6.x.2. Generally<br>
+this only happens for the first few micro releases in a new development<br>
+cycle (e.g. 3.7.0 to 3.7.4).<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Hi,</div><div>Are features still accepted for Mageia 3? I have these three:<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">1) Enable vertical two finger scrolling by default, simple but important.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">2) Desktop greeter (like kaptan of pardus or its fork for Chakra, kapudan):<br>http://www.chakra-linux.org/wiki/index.php/Kapudan<span class="tab"></span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">3) catalyst-legacy for AMD cards 4xxx and before.</div><div style="color: rgb(0,
+ 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">I know there is a policy for features, but I am asking, can I request features now or it's too late?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Mustafa Muhammad Hadi<br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Hi,</div><div>Are features still accepted for Mageia 3? I have these three:<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">1) Enable vertical two finger scrolling by default, simple but important.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">2) Desktop greeter (like kaptan of pardus or its fork for Chakra, kapudan):<br>http://www.chakra-linux.org/wiki/index.php/Kapudan<span class="tab"></span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">3) catalyst-legacy for AMD cards 4xxx and before.</div><div style="color: rgb(0,
+ 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">I know there is a policy for features, but I am asking, can I request features now or it's too late?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Mustafa Muhammad Hadi<br></div></div></body></html>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi all my friends,<br><br></div>today i saw that there are at least 2 devices ready to distribution in next weeks/month:<br><a href="http://pengpod.com/products/pengpod1000">http://pengpod.com/products/pengpod1000</a> (CPU A10 - price ~150 €)<br>
+<a href="http://makeplaylive.com/">http://makeplaylive.com/</a> (CPU A9 - price ~200 €)<br><br></div>would we try to prepare a build also for this arm platform ?<br><br></div>regards<br></div>Armando<br><div><div><div><div>
+<br clear="all"><div><br>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>
+  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a>
+</div></div></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi all my friends,<br><br></div>today i saw that there are at least 2 devices ready to distribution in next weeks/month:<br><a href="http://pengpod.com/products/pengpod1000">http://pengpod.com/products/pengpod1000</a> (CPU A10 - price ~150 €)<br>
+<a href="http://makeplaylive.com/">http://makeplaylive.com/</a> (CPU A9 - price ~200 €)<br><br></div>would we try to prepare a build also for this arm platform ?<br><br></div>regards<br></div>Armando<br><div><div><div><div>
+<br clear="all"><div><br>-- <br>  themonospot project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</a><br>  monosim project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</a><br>
+  comex project - <a href="http://comex-project.googlecode.com" target="_blank">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</a><br>  webpman project - <a href="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman" target="_blank">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</a>
+</div></div></div></div></div></div>
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+Hello,<br><br>Could ibus and ibus-anthy be pushed into core/release? We target at 1.5.x for mga3, and we now have 1.4.9x beta versions.<br><br>PS, you must remove corresponding packages from core/updates_testing before pushing them.<br><br>Thanks.
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+Hello,<br><br>Could ibus and ibus-anthy be pushed into core/release? We target at 1.5.x for mga3, and we now have 1.4.9x beta versions.<br><br>PS, you must remove corresponding packages from core/updates_testing before pushing them.<br><br>Thanks.
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+<div dir="ltr">I am indeed interested in helping to establish this kind of infrastructure and I think I could reallocate some time to help with that effort. But, that would only make sense, if Mageia would adopt and use the system at the end - if it proves to be useful.<br>
+Do you think that would be the case? What would be the next step? Is there some way to express a formal proposal?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/10 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 10/01/2013 14:18, Jochen Breuer a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Thanks Guillame. I wasn&#39;t aware of this and did not manage to find that<br>
+in the wiki. I thought the only tests performed where RPM lint checks,<br>
+manual checks by the QA and some undefined checks by the maintainers.<br>
+<br>
+Anyhow, I assume the &#39;make test&#39; is performed on the build server. Your<br>
+experiences might prove me wrong, but wouldn&#39;t it be better to perform<br>
+tests on a different installation?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Probably, indeed, because the environment would be closer to an actual usage environment. But this is hardly measurable.<br>
+<br>
+And you have to balance the added value of those additional tests with the manpower needed to setup a new test infrastructure, integrate it with current build system, and maintain it... I heard the sysadmin team was looking for volonteers, if you&#39;re interested :P<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #174:<br>
+<br>
+Backbone adjustment<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">I am indeed interested in helping to establish this kind of infrastructure and I think I could reallocate some time to help with that effort. But, that would only make sense, if Mageia would adopt and use the system at the end - if it proves to be useful.<br>
+Do you think that would be the case? What would be the next step? Is there some way to express a formal proposal?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/10 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 10/01/2013 14:18, Jochen Breuer a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Thanks Guillame. I wasn&#39;t aware of this and did not manage to find that<br>
+in the wiki. I thought the only tests performed where RPM lint checks,<br>
+manual checks by the QA and some undefined checks by the maintainers.<br>
+<br>
+Anyhow, I assume the &#39;make test&#39; is performed on the build server. Your<br>
+experiences might prove me wrong, but wouldn&#39;t it be better to perform<br>
+tests on a different installation?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Probably, indeed, because the environment would be closer to an actual usage environment. But this is hardly measurable.<br>
+<br>
+And you have to balance the added value of those additional tests with the manpower needed to setup a new test infrastructure, integrate it with current build system, and maintain it... I heard the sysadmin team was looking for volonteers, if you&#39;re interested :P<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #174:<br>
+<br>
+Backbone adjustment<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+> Funda Wang skrev 16.1.2013 15:31:

+> > ping?

+> >

+> > ------------------ Original ------------------

+> > From:  "Funda Wang"<fundawang@fundawang.name>;

+> > Date:  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 08:23 AM

+> > To:  "mageia-dev"<mageia-dev@mageia.org>;

+> >

+> > Subject:  [Mageia-dev] Freeze push: ibus, ibus-anthy

+> >

+> >

+> > Hello,

+> >

+> > Could ibus and ibus-anthy be pushed into core/release? We target at 1.5.x for mga3, and we now have 1.4.9x beta versions.

+> >

+> > PS, you must remove corresponding packages from core/updates_testing before pushing them.

+> >

+> > Thanks.

+> >

+> 

+> 

+> Removed and pushed.

+Would you please try again with ibus-anthy?

+

+> 

+> --

+> Thomas

+> 

+<br>
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+> Funda Wang skrev 16.1.2013 15:31:

+> > ping?

+> >

+> > ------------------ Original ------------------

+> > From:  "Funda Wang"<fundawang@fundawang.name>;

+> > Date:  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 08:23 AM

+> > To:  "mageia-dev"<mageia-dev@mageia.org>;

+> >

+> > Subject:  [Mageia-dev] Freeze push: ibus, ibus-anthy

+> >

+> >

+> > Hello,

+> >

+> > Could ibus and ibus-anthy be pushed into core/release? We target at 1.5.x for mga3, and we now have 1.4.9x beta versions.

+> >

+> > PS, you must remove corresponding packages from core/updates_testing before pushing them.

+> >

+> > Thanks.

+> >

+> 

+> 

+> Removed and pushed.

+Would you please try again with ibus-anthy?

+

+> 

+> --

+> Thomas

+> 

+<br>
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+Hello,

+

+Could somebody push ruby 1.9.3-p374 into cauldron? As said in its changelog, it fixed randomly SEGV problem regarding rails, and it suggested to be updated by upstream,  if currenty p362 is being used, which is the current case for cauldron.

+

+Thanks.<br>
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+Hello,

+

+Could somebody push ruby 1.9.3-p374 into cauldron? As said in its changelog, it fixed randomly SEGV problem regarding rails, and it suggested to be updated by upstream,  if currenty p362 is being used, which is the current case for cauldron.

+

+Thanks.<br>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    Le 17/01/2013 12:39, Davy Defaud a écrit :<span style="white-space:
+      pre;"></span><br>
+    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      Ok, I will do it tonight...<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Sorry, bur I ran out of time and my youngest boy is sick... I'll try
+    this week-end.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    Le 17/01/2013 12:39, Davy Defaud a écrit :<span style="white-space:
+      pre;"></span><br>
+    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      Ok, I will do it tonight...<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Sorry, bur I ran out of time and my youngest boy is sick... I'll try
+    this week-end.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hello,

+

+Could amaork 2.7.0 stable be pushed into cauldron? We target at 2.7.x for mga3, and we currently have 2.6 beta version in cauldron.

+

+Thanks.<br>
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+Hello,

+

+Could amaork 2.7.0 stable be pushed into cauldron? We target at 2.7.x for mga3, and we currently have 2.6 beta version in cauldron.

+

+Thanks.<br>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 19 janvier 2013 13:22:08, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I updated playonlinux to the minor release 4.1.9, which is said by the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; developers to be meant to be the last of the 4.1.x branch, including lots</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; of stability improvements, bugfixes (but also a few improvements).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Changelog : http://www.playonlinux.com/en/commentaires-1133.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I meant &quot;freeze&quot; push, of course :)</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 19 janvier 2013 13:22:08, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I updated playonlinux to the minor release 4.1.9, which is said by the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; developers to be meant to be the last of the 4.1.x branch, including lots</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; of stability improvements, bugfixes (but also a few improvements).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Changelog : http://www.playonlinux.com/en/commentaires-1133.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I meant &quot;freeze&quot; push, of course :)</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Liberation Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 19/01/2013 10:51:21 Robert Wood έγ�αψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have a modern nvidia graphics card on my desktop that necessittated having to get the very latest nvidia driver from the nvidia site and manually install.<br /><br />So, when we had a nvidia pakcage update on my laptop, I thought I'd give the Mageia package another go, but it makes sack-all difference, it still just sits there doing nothing and says:<br /><br />Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit<br /><br />So I went and looked on my laptop and it looks like it's v 295.49 whereas the very latest version is 304.43. I need this for my modern graphics card or the desktop refuses to boot. So, why bother with v295.49 when there's a much more modern one?<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You can follow this guide with your own risk:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3. Installing proprietaty video driver for Nvidia from Mageia Russian Community repository</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Be careful! That are unofficial repo and unofficial driver package! That can do some problems with your system like x-server don't start at system launching, etc. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If you don't know what you doing - don't do these actions!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">for i586</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">su </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">urpmi.addmedia  --wget --distrib MageiaLinux.ru-i586- http://packages.mageialinux.ru/mageia2/i586/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">exit</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">for x86_64</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">su </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">urpmi.addmedia  --wget --distrib MageiaLinux.ru-x86_64- http://packages.mageialinux.ru/mageia2/x86_64/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">exit</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Open RpmDrake GUI and use search. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You need find and install x11-driver-video-nvidia-current and dkms-nvidia-current packages with version 304.60 and prefix 1.mrc.mga2. Installation will be long. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">After installation you need reboot your PC. <br /><br />http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/846939071448270483/</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Liberation Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 19/01/2013 10:51:21 Robert Wood έγ�αψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have a modern nvidia graphics card on my desktop that necessittated having to get the very latest nvidia driver from the nvidia site and manually install.<br /><br />So, when we had a nvidia pakcage update on my laptop, I thought I'd give the Mageia package another go, but it makes sack-all difference, it still just sits there doing nothing and says:<br /><br />Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit<br /><br />So I went and looked on my laptop and it looks like it's v 295.49 whereas the very latest version is 304.43. I need this for my modern graphics card or the desktop refuses to boot. So, why bother with v295.49 when there's a much more modern one?<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You can follow this guide with your own risk:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3. Installing proprietaty video driver for Nvidia from Mageia Russian Community repository</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Be careful! That are unofficial repo and unofficial driver package! That can do some problems with your system like x-server don't start at system launching, etc. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If you don't know what you doing - don't do these actions!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">for i586</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">su </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">urpmi.addmedia  --wget --distrib MageiaLinux.ru-i586- http://packages.mageialinux.ru/mageia2/i586/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">exit</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">for x86_64</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">su </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">urpmi.addmedia  --wget --distrib MageiaLinux.ru-x86_64- http://packages.mageialinux.ru/mageia2/x86_64/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">exit</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Open RpmDrake GUI and use search. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You need find and install x11-driver-video-nvidia-current and dkms-nvidia-current packages with version 304.60 and prefix 1.mrc.mga2. Installation will be long. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">After installation you need reboot your PC. <br /><br />http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/846939071448270483/</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I updated playonlinux to the minor release 4.1.9, which is said by the developers to be meant to be the last of the 4.1.x branch, including lots of stability improvements, bugfixes (but also a few improvements).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Changelog : http://www.playonlinux.com/en/commentaires-1133.html</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I updated playonlinux to the minor release 4.1.9, which is said by the developers to be meant to be the last of the 4.1.x branch, including lots of stability improvements, bugfixes (but also a few improvements).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Changelog : http://www.playonlinux.com/en/commentaires-1133.html</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel</p></body></html>
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+
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+    I have a modern nvidia graphics card on my desktop that
+    necessittated having to get the very latest nvidia driver from the
+    nvidia site and manually install.<br>
+    <br>
+    So, when we had a nvidia pakcage update on my laptop, I thought I'd
+    give the Mageia package another go, but it makes sack-all
+    difference, it still just sits there doing nothing and says:<br>
+    <br>
+    Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit<br>
+    <br>
+    So I went and looked on my laptop and it looks like it's v 295.49
+    whereas the very latest version is 304.43. I need this for my modern
+    graphics card or the desktop refuses to boot. So, why bother with
+    v295.49 when there's a much more modern one?<br>
+    <br>
+    <strong></strong>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    I have a modern nvidia graphics card on my desktop that
+    necessittated having to get the very latest nvidia driver from the
+    nvidia site and manually install.<br>
+    <br>
+    So, when we had a nvidia pakcage update on my laptop, I thought I'd
+    give the Mageia package another go, but it makes sack-all
+    difference, it still just sits there doing nothing and says:<br>
+    <br>
+    Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit<br>
+    <br>
+    So I went and looked on my laptop and it looks like it's v 295.49
+    whereas the very latest version is 304.43. I need this for my modern
+    graphics card or the desktop refuses to boot. So, why bother with
+    v295.49 when there's a much more modern one?<br>
+    <br>
+    <strong></strong>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/01/2013 00:10, Davy Defaud a
+      écrit :<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:50F7336B.7030300@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- I own a DVB card, but its firmware (dvb-fe-tda10046.fw) is not
+provided by any mga package. We used to find it in a Mandriva PLF rpm
+before. It would be nice for end users to find it in a Mageia package
+somehow. Moreover, the module and its dependencies (saa7134,
+saa7134_dvb, saa7134_alsa) don't work after resuming from suspend.
+Unfortunately, a dedicated script in <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>etc/pm/sleep.d<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i> doesn't help since
+it doesn't seem to be called. But anyway, this bug should have been
+fixed for a long time as a patch has been proposed to the kernel
+subsystem maintainer (Mauro Carvalho Chehab), but... see the most
+interesting part of the story here:
+<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.video-input-infrastructure/46854">http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.video-input-infrastructure/46854</a>
+Perhaps Thomas, our dear kernel master, could include it in the next mga
+kernel, so I could give my feedback on the patch?...
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I should have read more carefully the thread because the patch I was
+    referring to is only for b2c2_flexcop_pci.<br>
+    Not that it isn't useful, but I won't be able to test it as my card
+    is driven by the saa7134 module...<br>
+    Anyway, there should be a way to force modules reload, like I did
+    before with a special script in /etc/pm/sleep.d/.<br>
+    I guess systemd migration is responsible of this regression.<br>
+    Is there anybody out there (© Pink Floyd) aware of this kind of
+    things? I guess Colin is...<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/01/2013 00:10, Davy Defaud a
+      écrit :<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:50F7336B.7030300@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- I own a DVB card, but its firmware (dvb-fe-tda10046.fw) is not
+provided by any mga package. We used to find it in a Mandriva PLF rpm
+before. It would be nice for end users to find it in a Mageia package
+somehow. Moreover, the module and its dependencies (saa7134,
+saa7134_dvb, saa7134_alsa) don't work after resuming from suspend.
+Unfortunately, a dedicated script in <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>etc/pm/sleep.d<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i> doesn't help since
+it doesn't seem to be called. But anyway, this bug should have been
+fixed for a long time as a patch has been proposed to the kernel
+subsystem maintainer (Mauro Carvalho Chehab), but... see the most
+interesting part of the story here:
+<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.video-input-infrastructure/46854">http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.drivers.video-input-infrastructure/46854</a>
+Perhaps Thomas, our dear kernel master, could include it in the next mga
+kernel, so I could give my feedback on the patch?...
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I should have read more carefully the thread because the patch I was
+    referring to is only for b2c2_flexcop_pci.<br>
+    Not that it isn't useful, but I won't be able to test it as my card
+    is driven by the saa7134 module...<br>
+    Anyway, there should be a way to force modules reload, like I did
+    before with a special script in /etc/pm/sleep.d/.<br>
+    I guess systemd migration is responsible of this regression.<br>
+    Is there anybody out there (© Pink Floyd) aware of this kind of
+    things? I guess Colin is...<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/21 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 21 January 2013 15:27,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 7179 Author mareklaane Date 2013-01-21 15:27:31 +0100 (Mon, 21 Jan<br>
+&gt; 2013)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Modified a little Estonian translation.<br>
+<br>
+</div>uh? you did not change anything at all but the date!<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div style>Yeah, I&#39;m sorry - I opened the file for referencing and later just thought I&#39;ve changed something in it, too, so modified also the date. Hopefully it doesn&#39;t harm much ...</div>
+<div style><br></div><div style>Marek Laane</div><div style> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
+&gt; Modified Paths<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/et.po<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/et.po<br>
+&gt; ===================================================================<br>
+&gt; --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/et.po 2013-01-21 14:08:10 UTC<br>
+&gt; (rev 7178)<br>
+&gt; +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/et.po 2013-01-21 14:27:31 UTC<br>
+&gt; (rev 7179)<br>
+&gt; @@ -9,7 +9,7 @@<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Project-Id-Version: drakx_install\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;POT-Creation-Date: 2012-12-14 15:05+0100\n&quot;<br>
+&gt; -&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2013-01-04 16:03+0000\n&quot;<br>
+&gt; +&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2013-01-21 16:26+0000\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Last-Translator: Marek Laane &lt;<a href="mailto:bald@smail.ee">bald@smail.ee</a>&gt;\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Language-Team: LANGUAGE &lt;<a href="mailto:LL@li.org">LL@li.org</a>&gt;\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Language: et\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/21 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 21 January 2013 15:27,  &lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org">root@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Revision 7179 Author mareklaane Date 2013-01-21 15:27:31 +0100 (Mon, 21 Jan<br>
+&gt; 2013)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Log Message<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Modified a little Estonian translation.<br>
+<br>
+</div>uh? you did not change anything at all but the date!<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div style>Yeah, I&#39;m sorry - I opened the file for referencing and later just thought I&#39;ve changed something in it, too, so modified also the date. Hopefully it doesn&#39;t harm much ...</div>
+<div style><br></div><div style>Marek Laane</div><div style> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
+&gt; Modified Paths<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/et.po<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/et.po<br>
+&gt; ===================================================================<br>
+&gt; --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/et.po 2013-01-21 14:08:10 UTC<br>
+&gt; (rev 7178)<br>
+&gt; +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/po/et.po 2013-01-21 14:27:31 UTC<br>
+&gt; (rev 7179)<br>
+&gt; @@ -9,7 +9,7 @@<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Project-Id-Version: drakx_install\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;POT-Creation-Date: 2012-12-14 15:05+0100\n&quot;<br>
+&gt; -&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2013-01-04 16:03+0000\n&quot;<br>
+&gt; +&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2013-01-21 16:26+0000\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Last-Translator: Marek Laane &lt;<a href="mailto:bald@smail.ee">bald@smail.ee</a>&gt;\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Language-Team: LANGUAGE &lt;<a href="mailto:LL@li.org">LL@li.org</a>&gt;\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;  &quot;Language: et\n&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>
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+About evolution-data-server
+===========================
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+Centralized access to appointments and contacts
+
+News
+====
+
+Bug Fixes:
+	Bug 202576 - A way to refresh IMAP folder list (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 674454 - Crash in e_book_backend_ldap_authenticate_user
+	             (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 677378 - Crash in imapx_query_auth_types_sync() (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 680201 - Backup restore doesn't migrate accounts from GConf
+	             (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 684175 - Check email value in e_destination_set_contact()
+	             (Paul Menzel)
+	Bug 687634 - Improve camel console warning text (Paul Menzel)
+	Bug 687670 - Signing with both pgp and S/MIME causes a broken
+	             signature (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 687865 - Shows old reminders for GOA accounts (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688146 - Crash in Contacts calendar backend (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688366 - WebDAV book can cause high CPU usage (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688479 - Empty name selector dialog on open (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688639 - SMTP: Correctly deal with 535 authentication error
+	             (Paul Menzel)
+	Bug 688660 - Crash on webdav contact cache update (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688795 - Crash under e_cal_backend_contacts_start_view()
+	             (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688926 - SIGABRT on call_old_file_Sync (Daniele Rondina)
+	Bug 689124 - Increase Camel's TCP read/write timeout (Matthew Barnes)
+	Bug 690151 - Crash in e_book_backend_file_bump_revision() (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 691124 - [imap] Typo in sort_uid_cmp() (Paul Menzel)
+	Bug 691126 - Fix warnings found by Clang (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 691298 - Deadlock under e_cal_backend_foreach_view() (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 691470 - ENameSelectorEntry: Copy to clipboard issue with
+	             multi-byte characters (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 691477 - exists_vcard is not supported when parsing a query from
+	             string (Milan Crha)
+
+Translations:
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+
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+
+ChangeLog
+=========
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+
+News
+====
+
+Bug Fixes:
+	Bug 202576 - A way to refresh IMAP folder list (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 674454 - Crash in e_book_backend_ldap_authenticate_user
+	             (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 677378 - Crash in imapx_query_auth_types_sync() (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 680201 - Backup restore doesn't migrate accounts from GConf
+	             (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 684175 - Check email value in e_destination_set_contact()
+	             (Paul Menzel)
+	Bug 687634 - Improve camel console warning text (Paul Menzel)
+	Bug 687670 - Signing with both pgp and S/MIME causes a broken
+	             signature (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 687865 - Shows old reminders for GOA accounts (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688146 - Crash in Contacts calendar backend (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688366 - WebDAV book can cause high CPU usage (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688479 - Empty name selector dialog on open (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688639 - SMTP: Correctly deal with 535 authentication error
+	             (Paul Menzel)
+	Bug 688660 - Crash on webdav contact cache update (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688795 - Crash under e_cal_backend_contacts_start_view()
+	             (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 688926 - SIGABRT on call_old_file_Sync (Daniele Rondina)
+	Bug 689124 - Increase Camel's TCP read/write timeout (Matthew Barnes)
+	Bug 690151 - Crash in e_book_backend_file_bump_revision() (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 691124 - [imap] Typo in sort_uid_cmp() (Paul Menzel)
+	Bug 691126 - Fix warnings found by Clang (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 691298 - Deadlock under e_cal_backend_foreach_view() (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 691470 - ENameSelectorEntry: Copy to clipboard issue with
+	             multi-byte characters (Milan Crha)
+	Bug 691477 - exists_vcard is not supported when parsing a query from
+	             string (Milan Crha)
+
+Translations:
+	Sayak Sarkar (bn_IN)
+	Christian Kirbach (de)
+	Rajesh Ranjan (hi)
+	Rafael Ferreira (pt_BR)
+	Dr.T.Vasudevan (ta)
+	Krishnababu Krothapalli (te)
+	Gheyret Kenji (ug)
+
+
+
+ChangeLog
+=========
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/evolution-data-server/3.6/evolution-data-server-3.6.3.changes  (16.7K)
+
+Download
+========
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/evolution-data-server/3.6/evolution-data-server-3.6.3.tar.xz (3.89M)
+  sha256sum: 37a0d0d4f6c8515e70e34f1e7e1f457f4c7736f35ba0f18c4b4bca0a17db7de0
+
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+ This component is deprecated - new code should be written to use
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+    * 671490 - Fix shutdown of gconfd
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+    * 646663 - Removed unused gconf_get_lock_dir function
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+    * 674803 - Use XDG config dir for settings storage
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+
+    * 653809 - Add Unity to OnlyShowIn
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+    * 646674 - Remove gconf-sanity-check
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+Download
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+ font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">We are approaching Beta 2 and they are still "New", so please some help.<br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>This is a very important issue, may be design decisions must be made on how the installer determines the locale:<br>https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3723</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">anyone interested?</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">and this is a reproducable crash:<br>https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8439</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent;
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 19 janvier 2013 13:25:08, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le samedi 19 janvier 2013 13:22:08, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I updated playonlinux to the minor release 4.1.9, which is said by the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; developers to be meant to be the last of the 4.1.x branch, including lots</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of stability improvements, bugfixes (but also a few improvements).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Changelog : http://www.playonlinux.com/en/commentaires-1133.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Thanks!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I meant &quot;freeze&quot; push, of course :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ping ?</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le samedi 19 janvier 2013 13:25:08, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le samedi 19 janvier 2013 13:22:08, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I updated playonlinux to the minor release 4.1.9, which is said by the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; developers to be meant to be the last of the 4.1.x branch, including lots</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of stability improvements, bugfixes (but also a few improvements).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Changelog : http://www.playonlinux.com/en/commentaires-1133.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Thanks!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Samuel</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I meant &quot;freeze&quot; push, of course :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ping ?</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>The "wow" is more about 74bits linux i think :-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Envoyé depuis un mobile Samsung</div></div> <br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Mustafa Muhammad &lt;mustafaa1987@yahoo.com&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : "P. Christeas" &lt;xrg@linux.gr&gt; <br>Cc : Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : Re: [Mageia-dev] Status note <br> <br><br>On 01/26/2013 12:00 PM, P. Christeas wrote:<br>&gt; On Saturday 26 January 2013, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; PeaZip http://sourceforge.net/projects/peazip<br>&gt;&gt; is great but it have issues with 74-bit Linux.<br>&gt; Wow!!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ^^^^<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>I don't use Windows, I stopped using it a while ago, but some apps <br>(FreeArc and PeaZip included) worth using wine to run them.<br></body>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>The "wow" is more about 74bits linux i think :-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Envoyé depuis un mobile Samsung</div></div> <br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Mustafa Muhammad &lt;mustafaa1987@yahoo.com&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : "P. Christeas" &lt;xrg@linux.gr&gt; <br>Cc : Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : Re: [Mageia-dev] Status note <br> <br><br>On 01/26/2013 12:00 PM, P. Christeas wrote:<br>&gt; On Saturday 26 January 2013, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; PeaZip http://sourceforge.net/projects/peazip<br>&gt;&gt; is great but it have issues with 74-bit Linux.<br>&gt; Wow!!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ^^^^<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>I don't use Windows, I stopped using it a while ago, but some apps <br>(FreeArc and PeaZip included) worth using wine to run them.<br></body>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/26/2013 12:52 PM, nicolas
+      Lécureuil wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:9elvab10t38shqt1v0cjjh5k.1359193888926@email.android.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+      <div>The "wow" is more about 74bits linux i think :-)</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    HaHa, sorry, I didn't notice the Wow, I thought the signature (Say
+    NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!) is the reply.<br>
+    Good typo, I invented 76bit!!<br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:9elvab10t38shqt1v0cjjh5k.1359193888926@email.android.com"
+      type="cite">-------- Message d'origine --------<br>
+      De : Mustafa Muhammad <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mustafaa1987@yahoo.com">&lt;mustafaa1987@yahoo.com&gt;</a> <br>
+      Date : <br>
+      A : "P. Christeas" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr">&lt;xrg@linux.gr&gt;</a> <br>
+      Cc : Mageia development mailing-list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;</a>
+      <br>
+      Objet : Re: [Mageia-dev] Status note <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      On 01/26/2013 12:00 PM, P. Christeas wrote:<br>
+      &gt; On Saturday 26 January 2013, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:<br>
+      &gt;&gt; PeaZip <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/peazip">http://sourceforge.net/projects/peazip</a><br>
+      &gt;&gt; is great but it have issues with 74-bit Linux.<br>
+      &gt; Wow!!                             ^^^^<br>
+      &gt;<br>
+      &gt;<br>
+      I don't use Windows, I stopped using it a while ago, but some apps
+      <br>
+      (FreeArc and PeaZip included) worth using wine to run them.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/26/2013 12:52 PM, nicolas
+      Lécureuil wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:9elvab10t38shqt1v0cjjh5k.1359193888926@email.android.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+      <div>The "wow" is more about 74bits linux i think :-)</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    HaHa, sorry, I didn't notice the Wow, I thought the signature (Say
+    NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!) is the reply.<br>
+    Good typo, I invented 76bit!!<br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:9elvab10t38shqt1v0cjjh5k.1359193888926@email.android.com"
+      type="cite">-------- Message d'origine --------<br>
+      De : Mustafa Muhammad <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mustafaa1987@yahoo.com">&lt;mustafaa1987@yahoo.com&gt;</a> <br>
+      Date : <br>
+      A : "P. Christeas" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr">&lt;xrg@linux.gr&gt;</a> <br>
+      Cc : Mageia development mailing-list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt;</a>
+      <br>
+      Objet : Re: [Mageia-dev] Status note <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      On 01/26/2013 12:00 PM, P. Christeas wrote:<br>
+      &gt; On Saturday 26 January 2013, Mustafa Muhammad wrote:<br>
+      &gt;&gt; PeaZip <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/peazip">http://sourceforge.net/projects/peazip</a><br>
+      &gt;&gt; is great but it have issues with 74-bit Linux.<br>
+      &gt; Wow!!                             ^^^^<br>
+      &gt;<br>
+      &gt;<br>
+      I don't use Windows, I stopped using it a while ago, but some apps
+      <br>
+      (FreeArc and PeaZip included) worth using wine to run them.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve installed the latest Mageia 3 beta with Gnome 3 and played with it a little in the past few days.</div><div><br></div><div>Although I like the overall impression, there is an (almost) showstopper for me, namely the fact that the wireless network (ath9k) doesn&#39;t work right from the start as in Mageia 2. I filed this as bug 8758.<br>
+
+<div><div><br></div><div style>Working with Gnome3, I found that some gvfs back-ends weren&#39;t set up correctly so that the file chooser couldn&#39;t access smb or ssh locations. I had to install gvfs-smb manually as well as the openssh client. This is an inconvenience but I&#39;m not sure it can be categorized as a bug. </div>
+
+<div style><br></div><div style>I&#39;ve had two occassions of X crashing as well. This is filed as bug 8877.</div><div style><br></div><div style>regards,</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><br></div></div>
+
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve installed the latest Mageia 3 beta with Gnome 3 and played with it a little in the past few days.</div><div><br></div><div>Although I like the overall impression, there is an (almost) showstopper for me, namely the fact that the wireless network (ath9k) doesn&#39;t work right from the start as in Mageia 2. I filed this as bug 8758.<br>
+
+<div><div><br></div><div style>Working with Gnome3, I found that some gvfs back-ends weren&#39;t set up correctly so that the file chooser couldn&#39;t access smb or ssh locations. I had to install gvfs-smb manually as well as the openssh client. This is an inconvenience but I&#39;m not sure it can be categorized as a bug. </div>
+
+<div style><br></div><div style>I&#39;ve had two occassions of X crashing as well. This is filed as bug 8877.</div><div style><br></div><div style>regards,</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><br></div></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">please let go owncloud, it fixes securities issues.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Security: Fix multiple XSS problems: <a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oC-SA-2013-001/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">CVE-2013-0201, CVE-2013-0202, CVE-2013-0203</span></a></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Security: Fix Code execution in external storage: <a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2013-002/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">CVE-2013-0204</span></a></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Security: Auth bypass in user_webdavauth and user_ldap (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-006/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-006</span></a>)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Security: XSS vulnerability in bookmarks (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-007/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-007</span></a>)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">XSS vulnerability in user_webdavauth (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-003/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-003</span></a>)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Code Execution in /lib/migrate.php (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-004/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-004</span></a>)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Code Execution in /lib/filesystem.php (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-005/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-005</span></a>)</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">please let go owncloud, it fixes securities issues.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Security: Fix multiple XSS problems: <a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oC-SA-2013-001/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">CVE-2013-0201, CVE-2013-0202, CVE-2013-0203</span></a></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Security: Fix Code execution in external storage: <a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2013-002/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">CVE-2013-0204</span></a></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Security: Auth bypass in user_webdavauth and user_ldap (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-006/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-006</span></a>)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Security: XSS vulnerability in bookmarks (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-007/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-007</span></a>)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">XSS vulnerability in user_webdavauth (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-003/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-003</span></a>)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Code Execution in /lib/migrate.php (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-004/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-004</span></a>)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Code Execution in /lib/filesystem.php (<a href="http://owncloud.org/about/security/advisories/oc-sa-2012-005/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">oC-SA-2012-005</span></a>)</p></body></html>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi Olav,<div><br></div><div style>Size restrictions? I doubt it, I have 26G free on /.</div><div style><br></div><div style><div style>Note that I did a clean install so there must be something else that went wrong.</div>
+
+<div style><br></div><div style>-- </div><div style>Reinout van Schouwen</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/28 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:29:52PM +0100, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:<br>
+&gt; Working with Gnome3, I found that some gvfs back-ends weren&#39;t set up<br>
+&gt; correctly so that the file chooser couldn&#39;t access smb or ssh locations. I<br>
+&gt; had to install gvfs-smb manually as well as the openssh client. This is an<br>
+&gt; inconvenience but I&#39;m not sure it can be categorized as a bug.<br>
+<br>
+</div>gvfs already has:<br>
+Suggests:       %{name}-fuse<br>
+Suggests:       %{name}-smb<br>
+Suggests:       %{name}-archive<br>
+Suggests:       %{name}-iphone<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m guessing size restrictions caused them not to be installed? Anyone<br>
+have a suggestion on how to ensure that they&#39;re there without causing<br>
+size issues? rpmsrate-raw?<br>
+<br>
+openssh client I don&#39;t see as a suggests.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi Olav,<div><br></div><div style>Size restrictions? I doubt it, I have 26G free on /.</div><div style><br></div><div style><div style>Note that I did a clean install so there must be something else that went wrong.</div>
+
+<div style><br></div><div style>-- </div><div style>Reinout van Schouwen</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/28 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:29:52PM +0100, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:<br>
+&gt; Working with Gnome3, I found that some gvfs back-ends weren&#39;t set up<br>
+&gt; correctly so that the file chooser couldn&#39;t access smb or ssh locations. I<br>
+&gt; had to install gvfs-smb manually as well as the openssh client. This is an<br>
+&gt; inconvenience but I&#39;m not sure it can be categorized as a bug.<br>
+<br>
+</div>gvfs already has:<br>
+Suggests:       %{name}-fuse<br>
+Suggests:       %{name}-smb<br>
+Suggests:       %{name}-archive<br>
+Suggests:       %{name}-iphone<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m guessing size restrictions caused them not to be installed? Anyone<br>
+have a suggestion on how to ensure that they&#39;re there without causing<br>
+size issues? rpmsrate-raw?<br>
+<br>
+openssh client I don&#39;t see as a suggests.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div>
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+<p>As i looked arround in the newest pakcages in the bs, i saw the kscreen and i wanted to see what it is but the link in the url in the spec file is unreachable (not found).</p>
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+<p>As i looked arround in the newest pakcages in the bs, i saw the kscreen and i wanted to see what it is but the link in the url in the spec file is unreachable (not found).</p>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Olav,<br><br>I downloaded the beta1 64-bit dvd image, dd&#39;ed it successfully to a 4G USB stick and installed from there.<br><br></div>Reinout<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+2013/1/28 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:09:32PM +0100, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:<br>
+&gt; Size restrictions? I doubt it, I have 26G free on /.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Note that I did a clean install so there must be something else that went<br>
+&gt; wrong.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I meant size restrictions on whatever you downloaded, the DVD or maybe<br>
+the USB version. Did you install the package from the DVD / USB stick,<br>
+or install it via internet?<br>
+<br>
+Please also give a link to what you downloaded so I can take a look at<br>
+the packages are on there.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Olav,<br><br>I downloaded the beta1 64-bit dvd image, dd&#39;ed it successfully to a 4G USB stick and installed from there.<br><br></div>Reinout<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+2013/1/28 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:09:32PM +0100, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:<br>
+&gt; Size restrictions? I doubt it, I have 26G free on /.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Note that I did a clean install so there must be something else that went<br>
+&gt; wrong.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I meant size restrictions on whatever you downloaded, the DVD or maybe<br>
+the USB version. Did you install the package from the DVD / USB stick,<br>
+or install it via internet?<br>
+<br>
+Please also give a link to what you downloaded so I can take a look at<br>
+the packages are on there.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On Feb 2, 2013 11:44 PM, &quot;Kamil Rytarowski&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; SSD is a next-generation disk (drive) storage. It&#39;s a damage prone, due to a wrong partitioning.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Currently our installer cannot shift and partition SSD partitions in the right way, and it effects with:<br>
+&gt; - much slowness<br>
+&gt; - much shorter life<br>
+&gt; - problems with dualboot<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The only solution is to have it right is to use an independent partitioning tool before installing Mageia onto disk (drive).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My proposition is to mark this problem as a release blocker, because we have to assume that we won&#39;t release any new/fixed ISOs of Mga3 after the final release and more and more people will buy new hardware and experience problems until rapid death of their SSD.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
++1<br>
+This is really important</p>
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+On Feb 2, 2013 11:44 PM, &quot;Kamil Rytarowski&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:n54@gmx.com">n54@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; SSD is a next-generation disk (drive) storage. It&#39;s a damage prone, due to a wrong partitioning.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Currently our installer cannot shift and partition SSD partitions in the right way, and it effects with:<br>
+&gt; - much slowness<br>
+&gt; - much shorter life<br>
+&gt; - problems with dualboot<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The only solution is to have it right is to use an independent partitioning tool before installing Mageia onto disk (drive).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My proposition is to mark this problem as a release blocker, because we have to assume that we won&#39;t release any new/fixed ISOs of Mga3 after the final release and more and more people will buy new hardware and experience problems until rapid death of their SSD.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
++1<br>
+This is really important</p>
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+Translations:
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/13 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Bersuit Vera at 12/01/13 19:57 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Excuse my mentor, Juancho alert me, but trust too much on me<br>
+&gt; Maybe I trust too much in other distros<br>
+&gt; I would like to work with you to learn more about the packaging of<br>
+&gt; servers (systemctl etc...)<br>
+&gt; I ask thousand excuses again.<br>
+<br>
+</div>No need for a thousand, just one will do :)<br>
+<br>
+Like I say, don&#39;t worry too much - mistakes happen when learning and we<br>
+all learn more from a mistake than anything else :)<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><br>I would like to felicitate you Colin for the way and the quality when handling this. <br>Specially in open source communities, it should be the common behavior,<br>
+but unfortunately, it does nt happens... always and everywhere.<br><br>I am proud that you are a member of our community and that i am a member of it too.<br>;)<br><br><br></div></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/13 Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Bersuit Vera at 12/01/13 19:57 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Excuse my mentor, Juancho alert me, but trust too much on me<br>
+&gt; Maybe I trust too much in other distros<br>
+&gt; I would like to work with you to learn more about the packaging of<br>
+&gt; servers (systemctl etc...)<br>
+&gt; I ask thousand excuses again.<br>
+<br>
+</div>No need for a thousand, just one will do :)<br>
+<br>
+Like I say, don&#39;t worry too much - mistakes happen when learning and we<br>
+all learn more from a mistake than anything else :)<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><br>I would like to felicitate you Colin for the way and the quality when handling this. <br>Specially in open source communities, it should be the common behavior,<br>
+but unfortunately, it does nt happens... always and everywhere.<br><br>I am proud that you are a member of our community and that i am a member of it too.<br>;)<br><br><br></div></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi there<div><br></div><div>We will have our meeting tonight focused on release critical bugs review. Please have a look before on <br clear="all"><div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&amp;namedcmd=release_blocker">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&amp;namedcmd=release_blocker</a><br>
+</div><div><br></div><div style>Cheers</div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi there<div><br></div><div>We will have our meeting tonight focused on release critical bugs review. Please have a look before on <br clear="all"><div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&amp;namedcmd=release_blocker">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&amp;namedcmd=release_blocker</a><br>
+</div><div><br></div><div style>Cheers</div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div></div>
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+* Improve validation of compressed audio formats.
+* Add support for building without documentation.
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 7 Feb 2013 04:59, &quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It&#39;s a bug only release.</p>
+<p dir="ltr">I hope you mean bug fix :)<br>
+</p>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 7 Feb 2013 04:59, &quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It&#39;s a bug only release.</p>
+<p dir="ltr">I hope you mean bug fix :)<br>
+</p>
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+commit f2056220a3255557942a3916a0869701751f5e35
+Author: Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud@gmail.com>
+Date:   Fri Feb 8 18:35:06 2013 +0100
+
+    (install_logger) keep a separate counter for erasures
+    
+    only initialize $total_pkg:
+    - when starting a new transaction
+    - or on first erasure in transaction
+    
+    (_compute_pkg_total) kill it (no more needed)
+    
+    adjust testsuite accordingly
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index b1057d8..e8d3cf9 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- keep a separate counter for erasures
++
+ Version 7.17 - 5 February 2013, by Thierry Vignaud
+ 
+ - fix counting for erasures
+diff --git a/t/superuser--obsolete-and-conflict.t b/t/superuser--obsolete-and-conflict.t
+index be3af8b..5284618 100644
+--- a/t/superuser--obsolete-and-conflict.t
++++ b/t/superuser--obsolete-and-conflict.t
+@@ -31,10 +31,10 @@ sub test1 {
+ 
+     my $arch = urpm::cfg::get_arch();
+     test_urpmi("b c", sprintf(<<'EOF', $arch, $arch));
+-      1/3: c
+-      2/3: b
++      1/2: c
++      2/2: b
+ removing package a-1-1.%s
+-      3/3: removing a-1-1.%s
++      1/1: removing a-1-1.%s
+ EOF
+     check_installed_and_remove('b', 'c');
+ }
+diff --git a/urpm/install.pm b/urpm/install.pm
+index 9a3ec05..25b9611 100644
+--- a/urpm/install.pm
++++ b/urpm/install.pm
+@@ -91,29 +91,33 @@ Standard logger for transactions
+ =cut
+ 
+ # install logger callback
+-my ($erase_logger, $index);
++my ($erase_logger, $index, $total_pkg, $uninst_count);
+ sub install_logger {
+     my ($urpm, $type, undef, $subtype, $amount, $total) = @_;
+-    my $total_pkg = $urpm->{nb_install};
+     local $| = 1;
+ 
+     if ($subtype eq 'start') {
+ 	$urpm->{logger_progress} = 0;
+ 	if ($type eq 'trans') {
++	    $total_pkg = $urpm->{nb_install};
+ 	    $urpm->{logger_count} ||= 0;
++	    $uninst_count = 0;
+ 	    my $p = N("Preparing...");
+ 	    print $p, " " x (33 - length $p);
+ 	} else {
+ 	    my $pname;
++	    my $cnt;
+ 	    if ($type eq 'uninst') {
++		$total_pkg = $urpm->{trans}->NElements - $index if !$uninst_count;
++		$cnt = ++$uninst_count;
+ 		$pname = N("removing %s", $urpm->{trans}->Element_fullname($index));
+ 		$erase_logger->($urpm, undef, undef, $subtype);
+ 	    } else {
+ 		# index already got bumped in {callback_open}:
+ 		$pname = $urpm->{trans}->Element_name($index-1);
++		++$urpm->{logger_count} if $pname;
++		$cnt = $pname ? $urpm->{logger_count} : '-';
+ 	    }
+-	    ++$urpm->{logger_count} if $pname;
+-	    my $cnt = $pname ? $urpm->{logger_count} : '-';
+ 	    my $s = sprintf("%9s: %-22s", $cnt . "/" . $total_pkg, $pname);
+ 	    print $s;
+ 	    $s =~ / $/ or printf "\n%9s  %-22s", '', '';
+diff --git a/urpm/main_loop.pm b/urpm/main_loop.pm
+index 5729035..ce1ea97 100644
+--- a/urpm/main_loop.pm
++++ b/urpm/main_loop.pm
+@@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ use urpm::select;
+ use urpm::orphans;
+ use urpm::get_pkgs;
+ use urpm::signature;
+-use urpm::util qw(any difference2 find intersection member partition untaint);
++use urpm::util qw(difference2 find intersection member partition untaint);
+ 
+ #- global boolean options
+ my ($auto_select, $no_install, $install_src, $clean, $noclean, $force, $parallel, $test);
+@@ -309,32 +309,6 @@ sub _run_transaction {
+     !$fatal;
+ }
+ 
+-# computes the number of packages to install or to erase -
+-# side-effects: urpm->{nb_install}
+-my $fullname2name_re = qr/^(.*)-[^\-]*-[^\-]*\.[^\.\-]*$/;
+-sub _compute_pkg_total {
+-    my ($urpm, $state, $options) = @_;
+-    $urpm->{nb_install} = 0;
+-
+-    # first account for install/erasures we will schedule (upgrades count twice as they involve erasure of the older package):
+-    foreach my $set (@{$state->{transaction} || []}) {
+-	my ($install, $upgrade) = partition {
+-	    my $pkg = $urpm->{depslist}[$_];
+-	    $pkg && !$pkg->flag_installed;
+-	} @{$set->{upgrade}};
+-	my $remove = $options->{'allow-force'} ? [] : $set->{remove} || [];
+-	my ($rm_count, $inst_count, $up_count) = (scalar(@$remove), scalar(values @$install), scalar(keys @$upgrade));
+-	$urpm->{nb_install} += $rm_count + $inst_count + 2 * $up_count;
+-    }
+-
+-    # account for erases added by rpm (removal through obsoletes):
+-    foreach my $fn (keys %{$state->{transaction_state}{rejected} || {}}) {
+-	my ($n) = $fn =~ $fullname2name_re;
+-	next if !keys %{$state->{transaction_state}{rejected}{$fn}{obsoleted}};
+-	$urpm->{nb_install}++ if any { !/^\Q$n/ } keys %{$state->{transaction_state}{rejected}{$fn}{obsoleted}};
+-    }
+-}
+-
+ =item run($urpm, $state, $something_was_to_be_done, $ask_unselect, $_requested, $callbacks)
+ 
+ Run the main urpm loop:
+@@ -425,9 +399,6 @@ sub run {
+     my $migrate_back_rpmdb_db_version = 
+       $urpm->{root} && urpm::select::should_we_migrate_back_rpmdb_db_version($urpm, $state);
+ 
+-    #- compute package total:
+-    _compute_pkg_total($urpm, $state, $options);
+-
+     #- now process each remove/install transaction
+     foreach my $set (@{$state->{transaction} || []}) {
+ 
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..17cfc7ba4
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130208/a0c61144/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,140 @@
+commit f2056220a3255557942a3916a0869701751f5e35
+Author: Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud@gmail.com>
+Date:   Fri Feb 8 18:35:06 2013 +0100
+
+    (install_logger) keep a separate counter for erasures
+    
+    only initialize $total_pkg:
+    - when starting a new transaction
+    - or on first erasure in transaction
+    
+    (_compute_pkg_total) kill it (no more needed)
+    
+    adjust testsuite accordingly
+
+diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
+index b1057d8..e8d3cf9 100644
+--- a/NEWS
++++ b/NEWS
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- keep a separate counter for erasures
++
+ Version 7.17 - 5 February 2013, by Thierry Vignaud
+ 
+ - fix counting for erasures
+diff --git a/t/superuser--obsolete-and-conflict.t b/t/superuser--obsolete-and-conflict.t
+index be3af8b..5284618 100644
+--- a/t/superuser--obsolete-and-conflict.t
++++ b/t/superuser--obsolete-and-conflict.t
+@@ -31,10 +31,10 @@ sub test1 {
+ 
+     my $arch = urpm::cfg::get_arch();
+     test_urpmi("b c", sprintf(<<'EOF', $arch, $arch));
+-      1/3: c
+-      2/3: b
++      1/2: c
++      2/2: b
+ removing package a-1-1.%s
+-      3/3: removing a-1-1.%s
++      1/1: removing a-1-1.%s
+ EOF
+     check_installed_and_remove('b', 'c');
+ }
+diff --git a/urpm/install.pm b/urpm/install.pm
+index 9a3ec05..25b9611 100644
+--- a/urpm/install.pm
++++ b/urpm/install.pm
+@@ -91,29 +91,33 @@ Standard logger for transactions
+ =cut
+ 
+ # install logger callback
+-my ($erase_logger, $index);
++my ($erase_logger, $index, $total_pkg, $uninst_count);
+ sub install_logger {
+     my ($urpm, $type, undef, $subtype, $amount, $total) = @_;
+-    my $total_pkg = $urpm->{nb_install};
+     local $| = 1;
+ 
+     if ($subtype eq 'start') {
+ 	$urpm->{logger_progress} = 0;
+ 	if ($type eq 'trans') {
++	    $total_pkg = $urpm->{nb_install};
+ 	    $urpm->{logger_count} ||= 0;
++	    $uninst_count = 0;
+ 	    my $p = N("Preparing...");
+ 	    print $p, " " x (33 - length $p);
+ 	} else {
+ 	    my $pname;
++	    my $cnt;
+ 	    if ($type eq 'uninst') {
++		$total_pkg = $urpm->{trans}->NElements - $index if !$uninst_count;
++		$cnt = ++$uninst_count;
+ 		$pname = N("removing %s", $urpm->{trans}->Element_fullname($index));
+ 		$erase_logger->($urpm, undef, undef, $subtype);
+ 	    } else {
+ 		# index already got bumped in {callback_open}:
+ 		$pname = $urpm->{trans}->Element_name($index-1);
++		++$urpm->{logger_count} if $pname;
++		$cnt = $pname ? $urpm->{logger_count} : '-';
+ 	    }
+-	    ++$urpm->{logger_count} if $pname;
+-	    my $cnt = $pname ? $urpm->{logger_count} : '-';
+ 	    my $s = sprintf("%9s: %-22s", $cnt . "/" . $total_pkg, $pname);
+ 	    print $s;
+ 	    $s =~ / $/ or printf "\n%9s  %-22s", '', '';
+diff --git a/urpm/main_loop.pm b/urpm/main_loop.pm
+index 5729035..ce1ea97 100644
+--- a/urpm/main_loop.pm
++++ b/urpm/main_loop.pm
+@@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ use urpm::select;
+ use urpm::orphans;
+ use urpm::get_pkgs;
+ use urpm::signature;
+-use urpm::util qw(any difference2 find intersection member partition untaint);
++use urpm::util qw(difference2 find intersection member partition untaint);
+ 
+ #- global boolean options
+ my ($auto_select, $no_install, $install_src, $clean, $noclean, $force, $parallel, $test);
+@@ -309,32 +309,6 @@ sub _run_transaction {
+     !$fatal;
+ }
+ 
+-# computes the number of packages to install or to erase -
+-# side-effects: urpm->{nb_install}
+-my $fullname2name_re = qr/^(.*)-[^\-]*-[^\-]*\.[^\.\-]*$/;
+-sub _compute_pkg_total {
+-    my ($urpm, $state, $options) = @_;
+-    $urpm->{nb_install} = 0;
+-
+-    # first account for install/erasures we will schedule (upgrades count twice as they involve erasure of the older package):
+-    foreach my $set (@{$state->{transaction} || []}) {
+-	my ($install, $upgrade) = partition {
+-	    my $pkg = $urpm->{depslist}[$_];
+-	    $pkg && !$pkg->flag_installed;
+-	} @{$set->{upgrade}};
+-	my $remove = $options->{'allow-force'} ? [] : $set->{remove} || [];
+-	my ($rm_count, $inst_count, $up_count) = (scalar(@$remove), scalar(values @$install), scalar(keys @$upgrade));
+-	$urpm->{nb_install} += $rm_count + $inst_count + 2 * $up_count;
+-    }
+-
+-    # account for erases added by rpm (removal through obsoletes):
+-    foreach my $fn (keys %{$state->{transaction_state}{rejected} || {}}) {
+-	my ($n) = $fn =~ $fullname2name_re;
+-	next if !keys %{$state->{transaction_state}{rejected}{$fn}{obsoleted}};
+-	$urpm->{nb_install}++ if any { !/^\Q$n/ } keys %{$state->{transaction_state}{rejected}{$fn}{obsoleted}};
+-    }
+-}
+-
+ =item run($urpm, $state, $something_was_to_be_done, $ask_unselect, $_requested, $callbacks)
+ 
+ Run the main urpm loop:
+@@ -425,9 +399,6 @@ sub run {
+     my $migrate_back_rpmdb_db_version = 
+       $urpm->{root} && urpm::select::should_we_migrate_back_rpmdb_db_version($urpm, $state);
+ 
+-    #- compute package total:
+-    _compute_pkg_total($urpm, $state, $options);
+-
+     #- now process each remove/install transaction
+     foreach my $set (@{$state->{transaction} || []}) {
+ 
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+<div dir="ltr">The latest kernel upgrade didn&#39;t bring any improvements in the wireless connectivity situation. :-/<div><br></div><div>Reinout</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/29 Reinout van Schouwen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:reinout@gmail.com" target="_blank">reinout@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Olav,<br><br>I downloaded the beta1 64-bit dvd image, dd&#39;ed it successfully to a 4G USB stick and installed from there.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Reinout<br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2013/1/28 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div>On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:09:32PM +0100, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:<br>
+&gt; Size restrictions? I doubt it, I have 26G free on /.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Note that I did a clean install so there must be something else that went<br>
+&gt; wrong.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I meant size restrictions on whatever you downloaded, the DVD or maybe<br>
+the USB version. Did you install the package from the DVD / USB stick,<br>
+or install it via internet?<br>
+<br>
+Please also give a link to what you downloaded so I can take a look at<br>
+the packages are on there.<br>
+<span><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><div class="im">-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/" target="_blank">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div></div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div>
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@@ -0,0 +1,27 @@
+<div dir="ltr">The latest kernel upgrade didn&#39;t bring any improvements in the wireless connectivity situation. :-/<div><br></div><div>Reinout</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/29 Reinout van Schouwen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:reinout@gmail.com" target="_blank">reinout@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Olav,<br><br>I downloaded the beta1 64-bit dvd image, dd&#39;ed it successfully to a 4G USB stick and installed from there.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Reinout<br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2013/1/28 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div>On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:09:32PM +0100, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:<br>
+&gt; Size restrictions? I doubt it, I have 26G free on /.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Note that I did a clean install so there must be something else that went<br>
+&gt; wrong.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I meant size restrictions on whatever you downloaded, the DVD or maybe<br>
+the USB version. Did you install the package from the DVD / USB stick,<br>
+or install it via internet?<br>
+<br>
+Please also give a link to what you downloaded so I can take a look at<br>
+the packages are on there.<br>
+<span><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Olav<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><div class="im">-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/" target="_blank">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div></div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Please read the ml &nbsp;this had been discussed some days ago</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Envoyé depuis un mobile Samsung</div></div> <br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Barry Jackson &lt;zen25000@zen.co.uk&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : mageia-dev@mageia.org <br>Objet : Re: [Mageia-dev] Huh? Urpmi package numbers . . . <br> <br><br>On 09/02/13 11:58, Robert Fox wrote:<br>&gt; Since latest Cauldron updates - the urpmi process seems to be lying<br>&gt; about the number of packages -<br>&gt; In this example, it say "293" packages - but when it starts, it says<br>&gt; 1/582 -??<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Huh?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; urpmi --auto-update -v<br>&gt;<br>&gt; SNIP:<br>&gt; 71MB of additional disk space will be used.<br>&gt; 174MB of packages will be retrieved.<br>&gt; Proceed with the installation of the 293 packages? (Y/n)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; SNIP:<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2/582: lib64okteta1core1<br>&gt; ##########################################################################################################################################################<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3/582: lib64kasten2gui2<br>&gt; ##########################################################################################################################################################<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4/582: lib64okteta1gui1<br>&gt; ##########################################################################################################################################################<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5/582: lib64kasten2okteta1core1<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ##########################################################################################################################################################<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6/582: lib64kasten2okteta1<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Is this by design?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; Robert<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>Yes a removal is now counted as well as an installation, so it's double <br>- I don't see the point, I think it was better as it was :<br>\<br></body>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/11 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net" target="_blank">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please push 1.3.23 (1.3.22 for now).<br>
+It&#39;s a bug fix release and prevents a popup at startup asking for this update.<br>
+Thanks.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>done</div><div style> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+-- <br>
+Damien Lallement<br>
+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/11 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net" target="_blank">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please push 1.3.23 (1.3.22 for now).<br>
+It&#39;s a bug fix release and prevents a popup at startup asking for this update.<br>
+Thanks.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>done</div><div style> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+-- <br>
+Damien Lallement<br>
+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/11 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net" target="_blank">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please push 0.8.5 (now 0.8.4) as it&#39;s a security update: CVE-2012-6121<br>
+Thanks<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br>
+Damien Lallement<br>
+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/11 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net" target="_blank">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please push 0.8.5 (now 0.8.4) as it&#39;s a security update: CVE-2012-6121<br>
+Thanks<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br>
+Damien Lallement<br>
+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/11 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2.0.11 is broken, 2.0.11.1 fixes it.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #40:<br>
+<br>
+not enough memory, go get system upgrade<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/11 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2.0.11 is broken, 2.0.11.1 fixes it.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #40:<br>
+<br>
+not enough memory, go get system upgrade<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/11 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">3.1.8 is a bugfix release.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>done</div><div style> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #336:<br>
+<br>
+the xy axis in the trackball is coordinated with the summer solstice<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/11 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">3.1.8 is a bugfix release.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>done</div><div style> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #336:<br>
+<br>
+the xy axis in the trackball is coordinated with the summer solstice<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hello,<br><br></div>I don&#39;t remember any recent update on ibus or anthy (but also I don&#39;t always put particular attention to all the updates), but I can&#39;t use it anymore.<br>
+
+<br></div>ibus still works. I have other input methods like the Korean one, which still work. But when I try to switch to the Anthy input method (whatever by the usual shortcut or by clicking with the mouse the Anthy input in the contextual menu), I can&#39;t seem to make it work either (ibus just hangs for like 30 seconds, then goes back to previous input).<br>
+
+</div>I tried to restart ibus, no luck either there. It didn&#39;t change a thing (once it even crashed apparently because it did not come back up again).<br><br></div>I also tried in various applications where it usually works (Firefox, LibreOffice, Konsole, etc.) to be sure that was not related somehow to the toolkit. Same everywhere.<br>
+
+<br></div>And now I am unsure of how to diagnose.<br></div>Could someone help me?<br></div>Also how do you check which packages have recently be installed to make sure of regressions in some package?<br><br></div>I really need to be able to write Japanese, and now that&#39;s kind of really blocking to me. ;-(<br>
+
+</div>Thanks!<br><br>Jehan<br>
+</div>
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@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@
+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hello,<br><br></div>I don&#39;t remember any recent update on ibus or anthy (but also I don&#39;t always put particular attention to all the updates), but I can&#39;t use it anymore.<br>
+
+<br></div>ibus still works. I have other input methods like the Korean one, which still work. But when I try to switch to the Anthy input method (whatever by the usual shortcut or by clicking with the mouse the Anthy input in the contextual menu), I can&#39;t seem to make it work either (ibus just hangs for like 30 seconds, then goes back to previous input).<br>
+
+</div>I tried to restart ibus, no luck either there. It didn&#39;t change a thing (once it even crashed apparently because it did not come back up again).<br><br></div>I also tried in various applications where it usually works (Firefox, LibreOffice, Konsole, etc.) to be sure that was not related somehow to the toolkit. Same everywhere.<br>
+
+<br></div>And now I am unsure of how to diagnose.<br></div>Could someone help me?<br></div>Also how do you check which packages have recently be installed to make sure of regressions in some package?<br><br></div>I really need to be able to write Japanese, and now that&#39;s kind of really blocking to me. ;-(<br>
+
+</div>Thanks!<br><br>Jehan<br>
+</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130214/7ed5ad66/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130214/7ed5ad66/attachment-0001.html
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+On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:22 PM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org" target="_blank">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
+
+
+
+
+<div>
+
+
+<div>
+<dl>
+<dt>Revision</dt> <dd>7324</dd>
+<dt>Author</dt> <dd>colin</dd>
+<dt>Date</dt> <dd>2013-02-14 15:22:44 +0100 (Thu, 14 Feb 2013)</dd>
+</dl>
+
+<h3>Log Message</h3>
+<pre>(call_blkid) always bypass blkid cache
+
+This reverts the use of the blkid cache.
+
+This cache is a broken concept and should not be used. It&#39;s only
+intended to be used for LABEL/UUID conversion.</pre></div></div></blockquote><div>Please add a comment in the code :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div><div><pre>
+>From the upstream maintainer:
+&lt;kzak&gt; coling: -p provides more information, the cache is designed for
+LABEL/UUID conversion -- and the goal is to avoid the cache if possible
+(it&#39;s mostly for backward compatibility). The ideal solution is to read
+the information from udev DB.
+&lt;kzak&gt; coling: man blkid (at least the latest version contains some hint
+about this issue)
+&lt;kzak&gt; coling: I&#39;d like to learn people to use lsblk -- it&#39;s designed
+more friendly  for end-users as well as for scripts and it reads info
+from udev, libblkid is only fallback here.
+
+Longer term we should kill off the use of blkid and perhaps move to
+lsblk or some perl-udev (if such a thing exists) usage instead:
+
+&lt;kay&gt; coling: avoid the blkid cache, it is a completely broken idea
+&lt;kay&gt; kzak: you should really kill that thing :)
+&lt;kzak&gt; kay: I&#39;d like to kill blkid at all and keep it as &quot;to test the
+library&quot; binary...
+&lt;kay&gt; kzak: tools with options like that talk for their sanity
+themselves :) &quot; -g     Perform a garbage collection pass on the blkid
+cache to remove devices which no longer exist.&quot;
+&lt;kay&gt; kzak: it&#39;s just silly, really silly to ever do that :)
+&lt;kay&gt; kzak: yeah, sounds fine to let blkid and its cache die in the long
+run
+&lt;kzak&gt;  lsblk is maintainable and extendable -- fix blkid(8) is
+impossible to fix...
+
+This reverts r6891.</pre>
+
+<h3>Modified Paths</h3>
+<ul>
+<li><a href="#13cd91629257f7c0_drakxtrunkperlinstallNEWS">drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS</a></li>
+<li><a href="#13cd91629257f7c0_drakxtrunkperlinstallfstypepm">drakx/trunk/perl-install/fs/type.pm</a></li>
+<li><a href="#13cd91629257f7c0_drakxtrunkperlinstallinstallNEWS">drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS</a></li>
+</ul>
+
+</div>
+<div><pre><a>Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS</a>
+===================================================================
+--- drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS	2013-02-14 01:39:37 UTC (rev 7323)
++++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS	2013-02-14 14:22:44 UTC (rev 7324)
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- always bypass blkid cache (the cache only includes a subset of the data we need)
++
+ Version 15.19 - 16 January 2013
+ 
+ - update translations
+
+<a>Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/fs/type.pm</a>
+===================================================================
+--- drakx/trunk/perl-install/fs/<a href="http://type.pm" target="_blank">type.pm</a>	2013-02-14 01:39:37 UTC (rev 7323)
++++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/fs/<a href="http://type.pm" target="_blank">type.pm</a>	2013-02-14 14:22:44 UTC (rev 7324)
+@@ -273,7 +273,7 @@
+ 
+     my %h = map {
+ 	if_(/(.*?)=(.*)/, $1 =&gt; $2);
+-    } run_program::get_stdout_raw({ timeout =&gt; 30 }, &#39;blkid&#39;, &#39;2&gt;&#39;, &#39;/dev/null&#39;, &#39;-o&#39;, &#39;udev&#39;, devices::make($part-&gt;{device}));
++    } run_program::get_stdout_raw({ timeout =&gt; 30 }, &#39;blkid&#39;, &#39;2&gt;&#39;, &#39;/dev/null&#39;, &#39;-o&#39;, &#39;udev&#39;, &#39;-p&#39;, devices::make($part-&gt;{device}));
+ 
+     \%h;
+ }
+
+<a>Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS</a>
+===================================================================
+--- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS	2013-02-14 01:39:37 UTC (rev 7323)
++++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS	2013-02-14 14:22:44 UTC (rev 7324)
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- always bypass blkid cache (the cache only includes a subset of the data we need)
++
+ Version 15.20 - 21 January 2013
+ 
+ - use modprobe instead of insmod (mga#8676)
+
+</pre></div>
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:22 PM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:root@mageia.org" target="_blank">root@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<u></u>
+
+
+
+
+<div>
+
+
+<div>
+<dl>
+<dt>Revision</dt> <dd>7324</dd>
+<dt>Author</dt> <dd>colin</dd>
+<dt>Date</dt> <dd>2013-02-14 15:22:44 +0100 (Thu, 14 Feb 2013)</dd>
+</dl>
+
+<h3>Log Message</h3>
+<pre>(call_blkid) always bypass blkid cache
+
+This reverts the use of the blkid cache.
+
+This cache is a broken concept and should not be used. It&#39;s only
+intended to be used for LABEL/UUID conversion.</pre></div></div></blockquote><div>Please add a comment in the code :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div><div><pre>
+>From the upstream maintainer:
+&lt;kzak&gt; coling: -p provides more information, the cache is designed for
+LABEL/UUID conversion -- and the goal is to avoid the cache if possible
+(it&#39;s mostly for backward compatibility). The ideal solution is to read
+the information from udev DB.
+&lt;kzak&gt; coling: man blkid (at least the latest version contains some hint
+about this issue)
+&lt;kzak&gt; coling: I&#39;d like to learn people to use lsblk -- it&#39;s designed
+more friendly  for end-users as well as for scripts and it reads info
+from udev, libblkid is only fallback here.
+
+Longer term we should kill off the use of blkid and perhaps move to
+lsblk or some perl-udev (if such a thing exists) usage instead:
+
+&lt;kay&gt; coling: avoid the blkid cache, it is a completely broken idea
+&lt;kay&gt; kzak: you should really kill that thing :)
+&lt;kzak&gt; kay: I&#39;d like to kill blkid at all and keep it as &quot;to test the
+library&quot; binary...
+&lt;kay&gt; kzak: tools with options like that talk for their sanity
+themselves :) &quot; -g     Perform a garbage collection pass on the blkid
+cache to remove devices which no longer exist.&quot;
+&lt;kay&gt; kzak: it&#39;s just silly, really silly to ever do that :)
+&lt;kay&gt; kzak: yeah, sounds fine to let blkid and its cache die in the long
+run
+&lt;kzak&gt;  lsblk is maintainable and extendable -- fix blkid(8) is
+impossible to fix...
+
+This reverts r6891.</pre>
+
+<h3>Modified Paths</h3>
+<ul>
+<li><a href="#13cd91629257f7c0_drakxtrunkperlinstallNEWS">drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS</a></li>
+<li><a href="#13cd91629257f7c0_drakxtrunkperlinstallfstypepm">drakx/trunk/perl-install/fs/type.pm</a></li>
+<li><a href="#13cd91629257f7c0_drakxtrunkperlinstallinstallNEWS">drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS</a></li>
+</ul>
+
+</div>
+<div><pre><a>Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS</a>
+===================================================================
+--- drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS	2013-02-14 01:39:37 UTC (rev 7323)
++++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS	2013-02-14 14:22:44 UTC (rev 7324)
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- always bypass blkid cache (the cache only includes a subset of the data we need)
++
+ Version 15.19 - 16 January 2013
+ 
+ - update translations
+
+<a>Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/fs/type.pm</a>
+===================================================================
+--- drakx/trunk/perl-install/fs/<a href="http://type.pm" target="_blank">type.pm</a>	2013-02-14 01:39:37 UTC (rev 7323)
++++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/fs/<a href="http://type.pm" target="_blank">type.pm</a>	2013-02-14 14:22:44 UTC (rev 7324)
+@@ -273,7 +273,7 @@
+ 
+     my %h = map {
+ 	if_(/(.*?)=(.*)/, $1 =&gt; $2);
+-    } run_program::get_stdout_raw({ timeout =&gt; 30 }, &#39;blkid&#39;, &#39;2&gt;&#39;, &#39;/dev/null&#39;, &#39;-o&#39;, &#39;udev&#39;, devices::make($part-&gt;{device}));
++    } run_program::get_stdout_raw({ timeout =&gt; 30 }, &#39;blkid&#39;, &#39;2&gt;&#39;, &#39;/dev/null&#39;, &#39;-o&#39;, &#39;udev&#39;, &#39;-p&#39;, devices::make($part-&gt;{device}));
+ 
+     \%h;
+ }
+
+<a>Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS</a>
+===================================================================
+--- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS	2013-02-14 01:39:37 UTC (rev 7323)
++++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS	2013-02-14 14:22:44 UTC (rev 7324)
+@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
++- always bypass blkid cache (the cache only includes a subset of the data we need)
++
+ Version 15.20 - 21 January 2013
+ 
+ - use modprobe instead of insmod (mga#8676)
+
+</pre></div>
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>Done!<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9073">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9073</a><br></div>Thanks.<br><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:56 PM, FundaWang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name" target="_blank">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+Please file a bug and assign it to me.________________________________<br>
+&gt; From: <a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt; Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:38:32 +0900<br>
+&gt; To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; Subject: [Mageia-dev] Broken ibus-anthy on Mageia2?<br>
+<div class=""><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t remember any recent update on ibus or anthy (but also I don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; always put particular attention to all the updates), but I can&#39;t use it<br>
+&gt; anymore.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ibus still works. I have other input methods like the Korean one, which<br>
+&gt; still work. But when I try to switch to the Anthy input method<br>
+&gt; (whatever by the usual shortcut or by clicking with the mouse the Anthy<br>
+&gt; input in the contextual menu), I can&#39;t seem to make it work either<br>
+&gt; (ibus just hangs for like 30 seconds, then goes back to previous<br>
+&gt; input).<br>
+&gt; I tried to restart ibus, no luck either there. It didn&#39;t change a thing<br>
+&gt; (once it even crashed apparently because it did not come back up<br>
+&gt; again).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I also tried in various applications where it usually works (Firefox,<br>
+&gt; LibreOffice, Konsole, etc.) to be sure that was not related somehow to<br>
+&gt; the toolkit. Same everywhere.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And now I am unsure of how to diagnose.<br>
+&gt; Could someone help me?<br>
+&gt; Also how do you check which packages have recently be installed to make<br>
+&gt; sure of regressions in some package?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I really need to be able to write Japanese, and now that&#39;s kind of<br>
+&gt; really blocking to me. ;-(<br>
+&gt; Thanks!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Jehan                                           </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>Done!<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9073">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9073</a><br></div>Thanks.<br><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:56 PM, FundaWang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name" target="_blank">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+Please file a bug and assign it to me.________________________________<br>
+&gt; From: <a href="mailto:jehan.marmottard@gmail.com">jehan.marmottard@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt; Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:38:32 +0900<br>
+&gt; To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; Subject: [Mageia-dev] Broken ibus-anthy on Mageia2?<br>
+<div class=""><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t remember any recent update on ibus or anthy (but also I don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; always put particular attention to all the updates), but I can&#39;t use it<br>
+&gt; anymore.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ibus still works. I have other input methods like the Korean one, which<br>
+&gt; still work. But when I try to switch to the Anthy input method<br>
+&gt; (whatever by the usual shortcut or by clicking with the mouse the Anthy<br>
+&gt; input in the contextual menu), I can&#39;t seem to make it work either<br>
+&gt; (ibus just hangs for like 30 seconds, then goes back to previous<br>
+&gt; input).<br>
+&gt; I tried to restart ibus, no luck either there. It didn&#39;t change a thing<br>
+&gt; (once it even crashed apparently because it did not come back up<br>
+&gt; again).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I also tried in various applications where it usually works (Firefox,<br>
+&gt; LibreOffice, Konsole, etc.) to be sure that was not related somehow to<br>
+&gt; the toolkit. Same everywhere.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And now I am unsure of how to diagnose.<br>
+&gt; Could someone help me?<br>
+&gt; Also how do you check which packages have recently be installed to make<br>
+&gt; sure of regressions in some package?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I really need to be able to write Japanese, and now that&#39;s kind of<br>
+&gt; really blocking to me. ;-(<br>
+&gt; Thanks!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Jehan                                           </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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+Mutter is a window and compositing manager that displays and manages
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+
+While Mutter can be used stand-alone, it is primarily intended to be
+used as the display core of a larger system such as GNOME Shell. For
+this reason, Mutter is very extensible via plugins, which are used
+both to add fancy visual effects and to rework the window management
+behaviors to meet the needs of the environment.
+
+News
+====
+
+* Fix maximized windows jumping between monitors [Alban; #556696]
+* Fix windows turning black when redirected again [Adel; #693042]
+
+Contributors:
+  Alban Crequy, Adel Gadllah
+
+Translations:
+  Runa Bhattacharjee [bn_IN], Rajesh Ranjan [hi], Krishnababu Krothapalli [te],
+  ManojKumar Giri [or], Dr.T.Vasudevan [ta], Shankar Prasad [kn],
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+About mutter
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+
+Mutter is a window and compositing manager that displays and manages
+your desktop via OpenGL. Mutter combines a sophisticated display
+engine using the Clutter toolkit with solid window-management logic
+inherited from the Metacity window manager.
+
+While Mutter can be used stand-alone, it is primarily intended to be
+used as the display core of a larger system such as GNOME Shell. For
+this reason, Mutter is very extensible via plugins, which are used
+both to add fancy visual effects and to rework the window management
+behaviors to meet the needs of the environment.
+
+News
+====
+
+* Fix maximized windows jumping between monitors [Alban; #556696]
+* Fix windows turning black when redirected again [Adel; #693042]
+
+Contributors:
+  Alban Crequy, Adel Gadllah
+
+Translations:
+  Runa Bhattacharjee [bn_IN], Rajesh Ranjan [hi], Krishnababu Krothapalli [te],
+  ManojKumar Giri [or], Dr.T.Vasudevan [ta], Shankar Prasad [kn],
+  Rafael Ferreira [pt_BR]
+
+
+
+Download
+========
+http://download.gnome.org/sources/mutter/3.6/mutter-3.6.3.tar.xz (1.54M)
+  sha256sum: aa1d558210d58f9a835a7e718a6b6eb8318ac8fb276c43234c47b1efde755c86
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/15 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 15/02/2013 02:22, David Walser a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+This updates to 1.9.4, which fixes CVE-2013-0219 and CVE-2013-0220.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve confirmed it builds in Cauldron.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+done<br><span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20130215075530.ennael.valstar.10934/log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20130215075530.ennael.valstar.10934/log</a> <div>
+ </div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/15 Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 15/02/2013 02:22, David Walser a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+This updates to 1.9.4, which fixes CVE-2013-0219 and CVE-2013-0220.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve confirmed it builds in Cauldron.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+done<br><span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20130215075530.ennael.valstar.10934/log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20130215075530.ennael.valstar.10934/log</a> <div>
+ </div></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div>
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+Hello all, my name is Jonny and I am a Linux System Admin.  I am a RHCSA (RHID:<strong style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">120-175-161)</strong>, and hold certs for Linux+, LPIC-1 and Novel&#39;s Linux cert.  (Not that the last three mean much, at least compared to the RH Certs.  I hope to get my RHCE sometime in the next year.  My experience is almost entirely on the admin/ops side (as opposed to app. dev).  I have almost always worked on RHEL/RHclones for work; however, I run Cauldron w/KDE on my personal/home laptop and have for about a year or since MGA2b2.  While I haven&#39;t done allot of packaging, I don&#39;t expect much difficulty.  I would like to address the <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429">bugzilla bug 1429</a> (adding SABnzbd) as well as updating lottanzb which now uses SABnzbd as its&#39; backend instead of hellanzb.  There are also some other related programs like <a href="http://sickbeard.com/">SickBeard</a>, <a href="https://couchpota.to/">CouchPotatoe</a>, <a href="https://github.com/rembo10/headphones">HeadPhones</a>, etc. (All of which are python apps.)<div>
+<br></div><div>Anywayz, I will try to make the next IRC meeting, but it would be great if I could hit the ground running so if you wouldn&#39;t mind taking the time to mentor me I would appreciate it</div><div><br></div><div>
+Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Jonny</div><div><a href="mailto:digigold808@gmail.com">digigold808@gmail.com</a></div><div>ICQ#428486389</div>
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+Hello all, my name is Jonny and I am a Linux System Admin.  I am a RHCSA (RHID:<strong style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">120-175-161)</strong>, and hold certs for Linux+, LPIC-1 and Novel&#39;s Linux cert.  (Not that the last three mean much, at least compared to the RH Certs.  I hope to get my RHCE sometime in the next year.  My experience is almost entirely on the admin/ops side (as opposed to app. dev).  I have almost always worked on RHEL/RHclones for work; however, I run Cauldron w/KDE on my personal/home laptop and have for about a year or since MGA2b2.  While I haven&#39;t done allot of packaging, I don&#39;t expect much difficulty.  I would like to address the <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429">bugzilla bug 1429</a> (adding SABnzbd) as well as updating lottanzb which now uses SABnzbd as its&#39; backend instead of hellanzb.  There are also some other related programs like <a href="http://sickbeard.com/">SickBeard</a>, <a href="https://couchpota.to/">CouchPotatoe</a>, <a href="https://github.com/rembo10/headphones">HeadPhones</a>, etc. (All of which are python apps.)<div>
+<br></div><div>Anywayz, I will try to make the next IRC meeting, but it would be great if I could hit the ground running so if you wouldn&#39;t mind taking the time to mentor me I would appreciate it</div><div><br></div><div>
+Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Jonny</div><div><a href="mailto:digigold808@gmail.com">digigold808@gmail.com</a></div><div>ICQ#428486389</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Oops... Forgot to mention packages url: http:<a href="http://depo.tarakbumba.bugs3.com/Mageia/3/SRPMS">depo.tarakbumba.bugs3.com/Mageia/3/SRPMS</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2013/2/19 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi there. I merely working on zemberek and its dependencies for Mageia Cauldron. As a Turkish sporen guy; i&#39;d like to see zemberek in repositories. Zemberek is a natural language processing library for Turkic languages (Turkish, Azerbaijanin, Turkmen etc.), It is written in java. Altough its development stalled since 2010; it is still working on Magea, Also zemberek is the only true Turkish spell checking app. Aspell-tr won&#39;t do right corrections.<br>
+
+<br></div><div>Zemberek needs apache-mina &lt; 1.8, libmatthew-java, slfj4 and dbus-java packages to run. While it won&#39;t work apache-mina package in official repositores; i decided to apache-mina-1.1.7 in zemberek-server package; also i patched libmatthew-java due to bug#<a name="13cf2b9cc910752a_b9002" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9002" target="_blank">9002</a> . <br>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div>Also i hava made package for Al-Anvar, a Holy Qur&#39;an study tool. <br><br></div>So, if you mind to inspect, review and add to repositories those apps it will be awesome. <br><br></div>I&#39;m willing to be a packager but have little time to work on packages due to my job and familiy, AItough i can not attend weekly meetings most of time, still is it possible? May i find a mentor?<br>
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Oops... Forgot to mention packages url: http:<a href="http://depo.tarakbumba.bugs3.com/Mageia/3/SRPMS">depo.tarakbumba.bugs3.com/Mageia/3/SRPMS</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2013/2/19 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi there. I merely working on zemberek and its dependencies for Mageia Cauldron. As a Turkish sporen guy; i&#39;d like to see zemberek in repositories. Zemberek is a natural language processing library for Turkic languages (Turkish, Azerbaijanin, Turkmen etc.), It is written in java. Altough its development stalled since 2010; it is still working on Magea, Also zemberek is the only true Turkish spell checking app. Aspell-tr won&#39;t do right corrections.<br>
+
+<br></div><div>Zemberek needs apache-mina &lt; 1.8, libmatthew-java, slfj4 and dbus-java packages to run. While it won&#39;t work apache-mina package in official repositores; i decided to apache-mina-1.1.7 in zemberek-server package; also i patched libmatthew-java due to bug#<a name="13cf2b9cc910752a_b9002" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9002" target="_blank">9002</a> . <br>
+
+</div><div><br></div><div>Also i hava made package for Al-Anvar, a Holy Qur&#39;an study tool. <br><br></div>So, if you mind to inspect, review and add to repositories those apps it will be awesome. <br><br></div>I&#39;m willing to be a packager but have little time to work on packages due to my job and familiy, AItough i can not attend weekly meetings most of time, still is it possible? May i find a mentor?<br>
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>When an application offers to save pending changes before quitting, I like that.<br><br></div>When an application confirms quitting when there are no changes to save, I get annoyed.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Manuel Hiebel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu" target="_blank">manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Since december, any drakxtools (also inside tools of another one) open<br>
+popup asking user to confirm if he is agree to close the windows.<br>
+<br>
+I opened a bug at this time: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8476" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8476</a><br>
+<br>
+As Thierry asked to speak about this on this mailing, I&#39;m sending this mail.<br>
+<br>
+So any comment, opinion, suggestion, enhancement, patch ?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>When an application offers to save pending changes before quitting, I like that.<br><br></div>When an application confirms quitting when there are no changes to save, I get annoyed.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Manuel Hiebel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu" target="_blank">manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Since december, any drakxtools (also inside tools of another one) open<br>
+popup asking user to confirm if he is agree to close the windows.<br>
+<br>
+I opened a bug at this time: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8476" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8476</a><br>
+<br>
+As Thierry asked to speak about this on this mailing, I&#39;m sending this mail.<br>
+<br>
+So any comment, opinion, suggestion, enhancement, patch ?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi there. I merely working on zemberek and its dependencies for Mageia Cauldron. As a Turkish sporen guy; i&#39;d like to see zemberek in repositories. Zemberek is a natural language processing library for Turkic languages (Turkish, Azerbaijanin, Turkmen etc.), It is written in java. Altough its development stalled since 2010; it is still working on Magea, Also zemberek is the only true Turkish spell checking app. Aspell-tr won&#39;t do right corrections.<br>
+<br></div><div>Zemberek needs apache-mina &lt; 1.8, libmatthew-java, slfj4 and dbus-java packages to run. While it won&#39;t work apache-mina package in official repositores; i decided to apache-mina-1.1.7 in zemberek-server package; also i patched libmatthew-java due to bug#<a name="b9002" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9002">9002</a> . <br>
+</div><div><br></div><div>Also i hava made package for Al-Anvar, a Holy Qur&#39;an study tool. <br><br></div>So, if you mind to inspect, review and add to repositories those apps it will be awesome. <br><br></div>I&#39;m willing to be a packager but have little time to work on packages due to my job and familiy, AItough i can not attend weekly meetings most of time, still is it possible? May i find a mentor?<br>
+</div>
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+<br></div><div>Zemberek needs apache-mina &lt; 1.8, libmatthew-java, slfj4 and dbus-java packages to run. While it won&#39;t work apache-mina package in official repositores; i decided to apache-mina-1.1.7 in zemberek-server package; also i patched libmatthew-java due to bug#<a name="b9002" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9002">9002</a> . <br>
+</div><div><br></div><div>Also i hava made package for Al-Anvar, a Holy Qur&#39;an study tool. <br><br></div>So, if you mind to inspect, review and add to repositories those apps it will be awesome. <br><br></div>I&#39;m willing to be a packager but have little time to work on packages due to my job and familiy, AItough i can not attend weekly meetings most of time, still is it possible? May i find a mentor?<br>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Even though I have all nonfree+tainted repositories enabled, Totem (a.k.a. Videos) tells me I&#39;m missing the WMA8 decoder. It offers to search for it, but doing so yields nothing.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>I have this working fine in Mageia 2 and I&#39;m just wondering what I am missing here.<br clear="all"><div><br></div><div style>I have these gstreamer1.0 rpms:</div><div style><div><br></div><div>[reinout@x56v ~]$ rpm -qa|grep gstreamer1.0</div>
+
+<div>gstreamer1.0-tools-1.0.5-2.mga3</div><div>gstreamer1.0-mms-1.0.5-3.mga3.tainted</div><div>gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-1.0.5-3.mga3.tainted</div><div>gstreamer1.0-libav-1.0.5-2.mga3</div><div>gstreamer1.0-flac-1.0.5-2.mga3</div>
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+
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+
+<div>lib64gstreamer1.0_0-1.0.5-2.mga3</div><div><br></div><div style>Any clues?</div><div style><br></div></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div></div>
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+
+<div><br></div><div>I have this working fine in Mageia 2 and I&#39;m just wondering what I am missing here.<br clear="all"><div><br></div><div style>I have these gstreamer1.0 rpms:</div><div style><div><br></div><div>[reinout@x56v ~]$ rpm -qa|grep gstreamer1.0</div>
+
+<div>gstreamer1.0-tools-1.0.5-2.mga3</div><div>gstreamer1.0-mms-1.0.5-3.mga3.tainted</div><div>gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-1.0.5-3.mga3.tainted</div><div>gstreamer1.0-libav-1.0.5-2.mga3</div><div>gstreamer1.0-flac-1.0.5-2.mga3</div>
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+
+<div>gstreamer1.0-faad-1.0.5-3.mga3.tainted</div><div>gstreamer1.0-libass-1.0.5-3.mga3.tainted</div><div>gstreamer1.0-vp8-1.0.5-2.mga3</div><div>gstreamer1.0-soup-1.0.5-2.mga3</div><div>gstreamer1.0-x264-1.0.5-2.mga3.tainted</div>
+
+<div>lib64gstreamer1.0_0-1.0.5-2.mga3</div><div><br></div><div style>Any clues?</div><div style><br></div></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><a href="http://vanschouwen.info/">http://vanschouwen.info/</a>
+</div></div>
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+Please, push the package.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you;<br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a>
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+Please, push the package.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you;<br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a>
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+On Feb 28, 2013 4:25 PM, &quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; According to what was discussed some days ago about this game[1], I<br>
+&gt; modified worldofpadman package to package the original World of Padman<br>
+&gt; engine, and packaged the data files in worldofpadman-data. As now<br>
+&gt; we&#39;re including the data files which aren&#39;t completely free software,<br>
+&gt; both packages need to go into nonfree. This means that the current<br>
+&gt; package worldofpadman package on core/release needs to be removed from<br>
+&gt; that repo before someone pushes worldofpadman-1.6-3 and<br>
+&gt; worldofpadman-data-1.6-1 to nonfree.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks !!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [1] <a href="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/22918">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/22918</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Juancho</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Ping? <br>
+</p>
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+On Feb 28, 2013 4:25 PM, &quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:juancho@mageia.org">juancho@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; According to what was discussed some days ago about this game[1], I<br>
+&gt; modified worldofpadman package to package the original World of Padman<br>
+&gt; engine, and packaged the data files in worldofpadman-data. As now<br>
+&gt; we&#39;re including the data files which aren&#39;t completely free software,<br>
+&gt; both packages need to go into nonfree. This means that the current<br>
+&gt; package worldofpadman package on core/release needs to be removed from<br>
+&gt; that repo before someone pushes worldofpadman-1.6-3 and<br>
+&gt; worldofpadman-data-1.6-1 to nonfree.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks !!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [1] <a href="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/22918">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/22918</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Juancho</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Ping? <br>
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+On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+checklink-4.2.1-7.mga1.src.rpm:<br>
+- updated by dams to 4.81 on 2012-06-19<br>
+- never uploaded as it requires perl(CSS::DOM) which is not available<br>
+<br>
+fbreader-0.12.10-5.mga1.src.rpm:<br>
+- updated by fwang to 0.99.2 on 2012-09-14<br>
+- never uploaded, I don&#39;t know why<br>
+<br>
+kaption-0.0.9-1.mga1.src.rpm:<br>
+- updated to 0.1.1 by dglent on 2012-09-09<br>
+- never uploaded, I don&#39;t know why<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Ping, what should be done with those packages? </div><div><br></div><div>Complete list of 27 packages not rebuilt since Mageia 1:</div><div><br></div>
+
+<div><div>atlas-3.8.3-7.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>checklink-4.2.1-7.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>fbreader-0.12.10-5.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>kaption-0.0.9-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>klibc-1.5.21-5.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>maven-ant-tasks-2.1.1-9.mga1.src.rpm</div>
+
+<div>mcabber-0.10.1-2.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>mcal-0.7-16.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>notification-daemon-engine-nodoka-0.1.0-3.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>pdumpfs-1.3-6.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Apache-AuthCookie-3.180.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div>
+
+<div>perl-Apache-GeoIP-1.990.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Devel-Profiler-0.40.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Dist-Zilla-Plugin-ProgCriticTests-1.102.520-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-HTTP-Daemon-SSL-1.40.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div>
+
+<div>perlindex-1.605.0-2.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Log-Agent-0.307-3.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-LWPx-ParanoidAgent-1.70.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Template-Plugin-Latex-3.20.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Text-Query-0.70.0-6.mga1.src.rpm</div>
+
+<div>perl-WebService-Validator-CSS-W3C-0.200.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Yahoo-Search-1.11.3-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>prelink-0.4.4-1.20101123.1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>ruby-mocha-0.9.12-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>stratagus2.1-2.1-4.mga1.src.rpm</div>
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+On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+checklink-4.2.1-7.mga1.src.rpm:<br>
+- updated by dams to 4.81 on 2012-06-19<br>
+- never uploaded as it requires perl(CSS::DOM) which is not available<br>
+<br>
+fbreader-0.12.10-5.mga1.src.rpm:<br>
+- updated by fwang to 0.99.2 on 2012-09-14<br>
+- never uploaded, I don&#39;t know why<br>
+<br>
+kaption-0.0.9-1.mga1.src.rpm:<br>
+- updated to 0.1.1 by dglent on 2012-09-09<br>
+- never uploaded, I don&#39;t know why<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Ping, what should be done with those packages? </div><div><br></div><div>Complete list of 27 packages not rebuilt since Mageia 1:</div><div><br></div>
+
+<div><div>atlas-3.8.3-7.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>checklink-4.2.1-7.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>fbreader-0.12.10-5.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>kaption-0.0.9-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>klibc-1.5.21-5.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>maven-ant-tasks-2.1.1-9.mga1.src.rpm</div>
+
+<div>mcabber-0.10.1-2.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>mcal-0.7-16.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>notification-daemon-engine-nodoka-0.1.0-3.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>pdumpfs-1.3-6.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Apache-AuthCookie-3.180.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div>
+
+<div>perl-Apache-GeoIP-1.990.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Devel-Profiler-0.40.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Dist-Zilla-Plugin-ProgCriticTests-1.102.520-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-HTTP-Daemon-SSL-1.40.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div>
+
+<div>perlindex-1.605.0-2.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Log-Agent-0.307-3.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-LWPx-ParanoidAgent-1.70.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Template-Plugin-Latex-3.20.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Text-Query-0.70.0-6.mga1.src.rpm</div>
+
+<div>perl-WebService-Validator-CSS-W3C-0.200.0-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>perl-Yahoo-Search-1.11.3-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>prelink-0.4.4-1.20101123.1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>ruby-mocha-0.9.12-1.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>stratagus2.1-2.1-4.mga1.src.rpm</div>
+
+<div>tritonus-0.3.7-0.0.20110107.2.mga1.src.rpm</div><div>xmldb-api-0.1-0.1.20011111cvs.1.2.5.mga1.src.rpm</div></div><div><br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Anything that relies on ordering is just broken by design. We need to<br>
+handle things gracefully regardless of the order they are detected. This<br>
+is why UUIDs are the defacto method for filesystem identification these<br>
+days and why in mga4 we&#39;ll likely switch to a consistent naming scheme<br>
+for networking devices too.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I understand that cryptic-looking UUIDs are the defacto identifiers but when mdadm reports that /dev/sdf1 has failed in a parity RAID 
+setup, it will be good if a mere mortal can know which drive to replace. :o)<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+Also &quot;modprobe ordering&quot; is increasingly not true either as many modules<br>
+are automatically loaded when the hardware is present.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, but it is possible to override the automatic loading...which is why I like the modular approach.<br>
+<br></div><div>Now that I understand the reasons for going back to statically compiled drivers, I&#39;m OK with rolling my own.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks -- RJ<br><br></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Anything that relies on ordering is just broken by design. We need to<br>
+handle things gracefully regardless of the order they are detected. This<br>
+is why UUIDs are the defacto method for filesystem identification these<br>
+days and why in mga4 we&#39;ll likely switch to a consistent naming scheme<br>
+for networking devices too.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I understand that cryptic-looking UUIDs are the defacto identifiers but when mdadm reports that /dev/sdf1 has failed in a parity RAID 
+setup, it will be good if a mere mortal can know which drive to replace. :o)<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+Also &quot;modprobe ordering&quot; is increasingly not true either as many modules<br>
+are automatically loaded when the hardware is present.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, but it is possible to override the automatic loading...which is why I like the modular approach.<br>
+<br></div><div>Now that I understand the reasons for going back to statically compiled drivers, I&#39;m OK with rolling my own.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks -- RJ<br><br></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+If you follow raid devel list you will soon learn that they dont recommend trusting the /dev/sd* naming either as it is by<br>
+no means static... :)<br>
+<br>
+depending on your hw, they may for example  hange place if you happend<br>
+to have a usb disk plugged at boot and so on.<br>
+<br>
+so the thing to check is for example  what disk is mapped as /dev/disk/by-id/*<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+where you can match on actual disc serial number and so on...<br>
+then you can be sure wich disk is failing / has failed..</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Great advice. I&#39;ll make sure the drive&#39;s serial numbers are visible without removal and then use ls /dev/disk/by-id/ to make sure I get the right one, if/when the time ever comes...<br>
+<br></div><div>Thanks again -- RJ<br><br></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+If you follow raid devel list you will soon learn that they dont recommend trusting the /dev/sd* naming either as it is by<br>
+no means static... :)<br>
+<br>
+depending on your hw, they may for example  hange place if you happend<br>
+to have a usb disk plugged at boot and so on.<br>
+<br>
+so the thing to check is for example  what disk is mapped as /dev/disk/by-id/*<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+where you can match on actual disc serial number and so on...<br>
+then you can be sure wich disk is failing / has failed..</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Great advice. I&#39;ll make sure the drive&#39;s serial numbers are visible without removal and then use ls /dev/disk/by-id/ to make sure I get the right one, if/when the time ever comes...<br>
+<br></div><div>Thanks again -- RJ<br><br></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>I remember when PATA (IDE) drivers were statically compiled into the kernel, then we went to modular IDE which I liked because modprobe ordering could be controlled. (When dealing with parity RAID, its nice to have logical drive enumeration because SATA ports don&#39;t have UUID labels.)<br>
+<br>But now it seems we&#39;ve come full circle:<br><br>[root@localhost ~]# grep SATA_AHCI /boot/config-3.8.1-desktop-1.mga3<br>CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br><br></div>Is there a compelling reason to do this (other than AHCI is popular)?<br>
+<br></div>I&#39;m putting together a home-brewed a file server using an old motherboard plus a couple of add-in SATA controllers. With the Mageia stock kernel, the enumeration looks like:<br><br></div><div>sda = RAID disk 08 (ahci)<br>
+</div><div>sdb = RAID disk 09 (ahci)</div><div>sdc = RAID disk 10 (ahci)</div><div>sdd = RAID disk 11 (ahci)<br><div>sde = Mageia OS (sata_nv) (1st port on mobo)<br></div><div>sdf = RAID disk 01 (sata_nv)</div><div>sdg = RAID disk 02 (sata_nv)</div>
+<div>sdh = RAID disk 03 (sata_nv)</div></div><div>sdi = RAID disk 04 (sata_sil)</div><div>sdj = RAID disk 05 (sata_sil)</div><div>sdk = RAID disk 06 (sata_sil)</div><div>sdl = RAID disk 07 (sata_sil)</div><br><div></div>Of course its no problem to re-compile the kernel with AHCI as a module so I can modprobe it last. Just wondering why AHCI is now the exception to modular sata...?<br>
+<br></div>Thanks -- RJ<br><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>I remember when PATA (IDE) drivers were statically compiled into the kernel, then we went to modular IDE which I liked because modprobe ordering could be controlled. (When dealing with parity RAID, its nice to have logical drive enumeration because SATA ports don&#39;t have UUID labels.)<br>
+<br>But now it seems we&#39;ve come full circle:<br><br>[root@localhost ~]# grep SATA_AHCI /boot/config-3.8.1-desktop-1.mga3<br>CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br><br></div>Is there a compelling reason to do this (other than AHCI is popular)?<br>
+<br></div>I&#39;m putting together a home-brewed a file server using an old motherboard plus a couple of add-in SATA controllers. With the Mageia stock kernel, the enumeration looks like:<br><br></div><div>sda = RAID disk 08 (ahci)<br>
+</div><div>sdb = RAID disk 09 (ahci)</div><div>sdc = RAID disk 10 (ahci)</div><div>sdd = RAID disk 11 (ahci)<br><div>sde = Mageia OS (sata_nv) (1st port on mobo)<br></div><div>sdf = RAID disk 01 (sata_nv)</div><div>sdg = RAID disk 02 (sata_nv)</div>
+<div>sdh = RAID disk 03 (sata_nv)</div></div><div>sdi = RAID disk 04 (sata_sil)</div><div>sdj = RAID disk 05 (sata_sil)</div><div>sdk = RAID disk 06 (sata_sil)</div><div>sdl = RAID disk 07 (sata_sil)</div><br><div></div>Of course its no problem to re-compile the kernel with AHCI as a module so I can modprobe it last. Just wondering why AHCI is now the exception to modular sata...?<br>
+<br></div>Thanks -- RJ<br><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM, AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+Op dinsdag 5 maart 2013 20:10:20 schreef Thomas Backlund:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; For servers (&amp; bigger workstations) where you rely on SCSI / SAS  / FC /<br>
+&gt; .... you still need initrds, and usually you dont really care if a<br>
+&gt; boot take a little longer.<br>
+<br>
+</div>does this mean that AHCI is enabled only for desktop kernels?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>AHCI is definitely enabled for all kernels.<br></div><div>Its also statically compiled into all kernels as well:<br>
+</div><div><br></div><div><div># cd /usr/src/linux-3.8.1-1.mga3/arch/x86/configs<br></div># grep SATA_AHCI *<br><br>i386_defconfig:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>i386_defconfig-desktop:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>i386_defconfig-desktop:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br>
+i386_defconfig-desktop586:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>i386_defconfig-desktop586:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br>i386_defconfig-server:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>i386_defconfig-server:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br>x86_64_defconfig:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>
+x86_64_defconfig-desktop:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>x86_64_defconfig-desktop:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br>x86_64_defconfig-server:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>x86_64_defconfig-server:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br><br></div><div>(If any were modular, they be set to &#39;m&#39;)<br>
+<br></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM, AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+Op dinsdag 5 maart 2013 20:10:20 schreef Thomas Backlund:<br>
+[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; For servers (&amp; bigger workstations) where you rely on SCSI / SAS  / FC /<br>
+&gt; .... you still need initrds, and usually you dont really care if a<br>
+&gt; boot take a little longer.<br>
+<br>
+</div>does this mean that AHCI is enabled only for desktop kernels?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>AHCI is definitely enabled for all kernels.<br></div><div>Its also statically compiled into all kernels as well:<br>
+</div><div><br></div><div><div># cd /usr/src/linux-3.8.1-1.mga3/arch/x86/configs<br></div># grep SATA_AHCI *<br><br>i386_defconfig:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>i386_defconfig-desktop:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>i386_defconfig-desktop:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br>
+i386_defconfig-desktop586:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>i386_defconfig-desktop586:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br>i386_defconfig-server:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>i386_defconfig-server:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br>x86_64_defconfig:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>
+x86_64_defconfig-desktop:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>x86_64_defconfig-desktop:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br>x86_64_defconfig-server:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y<br>x86_64_defconfig-server:CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y<br><br></div><div>(If any were modular, they be set to &#39;m&#39;)<br>
+<br></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+<br></div>
+It&#39;s needed to be able to boot new hw without need for initrd.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:BootSansRamdisk" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:BootSansRamdisk</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, I didn&#39;t know about that. It seems like the target systems will need to be simple AND have ahci compliant boot controllers. Otherwise a bunch of SATA drivers will need to be statically compiled in kinda like the old IDE days. It&#39;ll be interesting to see how many users complain because they &quot;think&quot; they shouldn&#39;t need an initrd... :o)<br>
+<br></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+<br></div>
+It&#39;s needed to be able to boot new hw without need for initrd.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:BootSansRamdisk" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:BootSansRamdisk</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, I didn&#39;t know about that. It seems like the target systems will need to be simple AND have ahci compliant boot controllers. Otherwise a bunch of SATA drivers will need to be statically compiled in kinda like the old IDE days. It&#39;ll be interesting to see how many users complain because they &quot;think&quot; they shouldn&#39;t need an initrd... :o)<br>
+<br></div></div></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Le 06/03/2013 00:50, Reinout van Schouwen a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+The Dutch tax service makes life difficult for (64-bit) Mageia users<br>
+because the tax filing program expects the i586 versions of libxext6 and<br>
+libsm6 to be around.<br>
+<br>
+The tax service claim on their web site that Ubuntu 12.x and Linux Mint<br>
+13 are supported. Could it be that they have these libraries<br>
+preinstalled on 64 bit platforms?<br>
+<br>
+Would it be possible to provide some kind of stub package that downloads<br>
+the program with the required dependencies, like Arch does? (<br>
+<a href="https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/belastingdienst-ib2012/" target="_blank">https://aur.archlinux.org/<u></u>packages/belastingdienst-<u></u>ib2012/</a> )<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Most binary-only i586 programs expects additional 32 bits libraires dependencies: skype, for instance. On a pure 64 bits systems, these libraries won&#39;t be installed, and they won&#39;t even be available directly, as long as 32 bits additional package sources are not configured...<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think we configure the 32 bits media by default</div><div>Having a 32 bits package installing this app and having the proper dependencies would make sense</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<br>
+I&#39;m effraid than endlessly adding 32bits dependencies on our 64 bits packages, such as we did with pulseaudio for skype case, or adding &#39;stub&#39; packages here, won&#39;t scale indefinitly to match every piece of softwares we can&#39;t distribute ourselves. First, they are exceptions to our &#39;self-containment&#39; package sources policy... Second, dependencies won&#39;t adress the package source configuration issue.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+So, what about adressing end users intelligence, and document all those issues on a central &#39;compatibility&#39; page on our wiki, instead of relying on such kind of hacks ?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+
+<br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #155:<br>
+<br>
+Dumb terminal<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Le 06/03/2013 00:50, Reinout van Schouwen a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+The Dutch tax service makes life difficult for (64-bit) Mageia users<br>
+because the tax filing program expects the i586 versions of libxext6 and<br>
+libsm6 to be around.<br>
+<br>
+The tax service claim on their web site that Ubuntu 12.x and Linux Mint<br>
+13 are supported. Could it be that they have these libraries<br>
+preinstalled on 64 bit platforms?<br>
+<br>
+Would it be possible to provide some kind of stub package that downloads<br>
+the program with the required dependencies, like Arch does? (<br>
+<a href="https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/belastingdienst-ib2012/" target="_blank">https://aur.archlinux.org/<u></u>packages/belastingdienst-<u></u>ib2012/</a> )<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Most binary-only i586 programs expects additional 32 bits libraires dependencies: skype, for instance. On a pure 64 bits systems, these libraries won&#39;t be installed, and they won&#39;t even be available directly, as long as 32 bits additional package sources are not configured...<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think we configure the 32 bits media by default</div><div>Having a 32 bits package installing this app and having the proper dependencies would make sense</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<br>
+I&#39;m effraid than endlessly adding 32bits dependencies on our 64 bits packages, such as we did with pulseaudio for skype case, or adding &#39;stub&#39; packages here, won&#39;t scale indefinitly to match every piece of softwares we can&#39;t distribute ourselves. First, they are exceptions to our &#39;self-containment&#39; package sources policy... Second, dependencies won&#39;t adress the package source configuration issue.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+So, what about adressing end users intelligence, and document all those issues on a central &#39;compatibility&#39; page on our wiki, instead of relying on such kind of hacks ?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+
+<br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #155:<br>
+<br>
+Dumb terminal<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM, AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+&gt;<br><div class="im">
+&gt; While I appreciate the intention, from a user PoV, those UUIDs mean<br>
+&gt; b***** all.  It would be really nice if, when they are first named, it<br>
+&gt; was possible to allocate a &quot;nickname&quot; for want of a better term.<br>
+<br>
+</div>if you use it, filesystems also have label functionalities, which iinm are<br>
+shown in dolphin.<br></blockquote><div><br><div>Yeah, I&#39;m not a big fan of UUIDs either so I tend to use labels instead.<br></div><div>I always partition and format using command-line tools in the Rescue<br>System. If you do that, you can add the labels yourself. For example:<br>
+<br></div><div># mkfs.ext4 -m 1 -L mgaroot /dev/sda1<br></div><div># mkswap -L swap /dev/sda2<br></div><div># mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -L home /dev/sda3<br><br></div><div>The -m parameters above specifies the percentage reserved for the superuser.<br>
+</div><div>the -L parameters are the filesystem labels. After that, reboot to the installer<br>and choose Custom Partitioning, assign your pre-existing partitions and be<br>sure _untick_ the [ ] Format boxes then continue installing as usual.<br>
+<br></div><div>After the installation, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst replacing each<br></div><div>UUID=&lt;blahblahblah&gt; with LABEL=&lt;label&gt;. For example:<br></div><div><br></div><div>root=LABEL=mgaroot (and) resume=LABEL=swap<br>
+<br></div><div>Similarly in /etc/fstab, you can have entries like:<br></div><div><br></div><div>LABEL=mgaroot  /     ext4  relatime  1 1<br>LABEL=swap     swap  swap  defaults  0 0<br><br></div><div></div><div>So the &#39;nickname&#39; feature you request is available with a little pre-install<br>
+preparation and post-install config file editing.<br><br></div><div>Hope this helps -- RJ<br><br></div></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM, AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+&gt;<br><div class="im">
+&gt; While I appreciate the intention, from a user PoV, those UUIDs mean<br>
+&gt; b***** all.  It would be really nice if, when they are first named, it<br>
+&gt; was possible to allocate a &quot;nickname&quot; for want of a better term.<br>
+<br>
+</div>if you use it, filesystems also have label functionalities, which iinm are<br>
+shown in dolphin.<br></blockquote><div><br><div>Yeah, I&#39;m not a big fan of UUIDs either so I tend to use labels instead.<br></div><div>I always partition and format using command-line tools in the Rescue<br>System. If you do that, you can add the labels yourself. For example:<br>
+<br></div><div># mkfs.ext4 -m 1 -L mgaroot /dev/sda1<br></div><div># mkswap -L swap /dev/sda2<br></div><div># mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -L home /dev/sda3<br><br></div><div>The -m parameters above specifies the percentage reserved for the superuser.<br>
+</div><div>the -L parameters are the filesystem labels. After that, reboot to the installer<br>and choose Custom Partitioning, assign your pre-existing partitions and be<br>sure _untick_ the [ ] Format boxes then continue installing as usual.<br>
+<br></div><div>After the installation, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst replacing each<br></div><div>UUID=&lt;blahblahblah&gt; with LABEL=&lt;label&gt;. For example:<br></div><div><br></div><div>root=LABEL=mgaroot (and) resume=LABEL=swap<br>
+<br></div><div>Similarly in /etc/fstab, you can have entries like:<br></div><div><br></div><div>LABEL=mgaroot  /     ext4  relatime  1 1<br>LABEL=swap     swap  swap  defaults  0 0<br><br></div><div></div><div>So the &#39;nickname&#39; feature you request is available with a little pre-install<br>
+preparation and post-install config file editing.<br><br></div><div>Hope this helps -- RJ<br><br></div></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>The Dutch tax service makes life difficult for (64-bit) Mageia users because the tax filing program expects the i586 versions of libxext6 and libsm6 to be around.</div><div><br></div>
+
+<div style>The tax service claim on their web site that Ubuntu 12.x and Linux Mint 13 are supported. Could it be that they have these libraries preinstalled on 64 bit platforms?</div><div><br></div><div>Would it be possible to provide some kind of stub package that downloads the program with the required dependencies, like Arch does? ( <a href="https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/belastingdienst-ib2012/">https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/belastingdienst-ib2012/</a> )<br clear="all">
+
+<div><br></div><div style>regards,</div><div style><br></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>The Dutch tax service makes life difficult for (64-bit) Mageia users because the tax filing program expects the i586 versions of libxext6 and libsm6 to be around.</div><div><br></div>
+
+<div style>The tax service claim on their web site that Ubuntu 12.x and Linux Mint 13 are supported. Could it be that they have these libraries preinstalled on 64 bit platforms?</div><div><br></div><div>Would it be possible to provide some kind of stub package that downloads the program with the required dependencies, like Arch does? ( <a href="https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/belastingdienst-ib2012/">https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/belastingdienst-ib2012/</a> )<br clear="all">
+
+<div><br></div><div style>regards,</div><div style><br></div>-- <br>Reinout van Schouwen<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+</div>On 07/03/13 09:55, jpbfree wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le 07/03/2013 10:27, Anne Wilson a écrit : On 07/03/13 04:38, R<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; James wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM, AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; While I appreciate the intention, from a user PoV, those<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; UUIDs mean b***** all.  It would be really nice if, when<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; they are first named, it was possible to allocate a<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;nickname&quot; for want of a better term.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; if you use it, filesystems also have label functionalities,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; which iinm are shown in dolphin.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yeah, I&#39;m not a big fan of UUIDs either so I tend to use<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; labels instead. I always partition and format using<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; command-line tools in the Rescue System. If you do that, you<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; can add the labels yourself. For example:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; # mkfs.ext4 -m 1 -L mgaroot /dev/sda1 # mkswap -L swap<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; /dev/sda2 # mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -L home /dev/sda3<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The -m parameters above specifies the percentage reserved for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the superuser. the -L parameters are the filesystem labels.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; After that, reboot to the installer and choose Custom<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Partitioning, assign your pre-existing partitions and be sure<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; _untick_ the [ ] Format boxes then continue installing as<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; usual.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; After the installation, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; replacing each UUID=&lt;blahblahblah&gt; with LABEL=&lt;label&gt;. For<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; example:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; root=LABEL=mgaroot (and) resume=LABEL=swap<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Similarly in /etc/fstab, you can have entries like:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; LABEL=mgaroot  /     ext4  relatime  1 1 LABEL=swap     swap<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; swap defaults  0 0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; So the &#39;nickname&#39; feature you request is available with a<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; little pre-install preparation and post-install config file<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; editing.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hope this helps -- RJ<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks.  It will help a lot for my own use.  However, that really<br>
+&gt; needs to be included in the gui disk partitioning, so that people<br>
+&gt; can find and use it.  I&#39;m fairly sure there is no way to do that at<br>
+&gt; present.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+</div></div><div class="im">&gt; hum.. when in disk-patitioning on mcc if you toggle to expert mode<br>
+&gt; therre is a &quot;label&quot; menu (have not tested it though, so don&#39;t know<br>
+&gt; if it goes up to writing the right stanza in fstab).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Really?  I do normally enable Expert mode, and I&#39;ve never noticed<br>
+that!  Next time I do an install I&#39;ll definitely look for it.</blockquote><div> </div><div>It used to work fine at least :)</div><div>I remember making some small changes to diskdrake 4 years ago like displaying the label in partition info even in non expert mode and had been using labels for many years through diskdrake</div>
+
+<div>I think there is a display bug when people have UTF-8 in the label</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
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+</div>On 07/03/13 09:55, jpbfree wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le 07/03/2013 10:27, Anne Wilson a écrit : On 07/03/13 04:38, R<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; James wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM, AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; While I appreciate the intention, from a user PoV, those<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; UUIDs mean b***** all.  It would be really nice if, when<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; they are first named, it was possible to allocate a<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;nickname&quot; for want of a better term.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; if you use it, filesystems also have label functionalities,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; which iinm are shown in dolphin.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Yeah, I&#39;m not a big fan of UUIDs either so I tend to use<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; labels instead. I always partition and format using<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; command-line tools in the Rescue System. If you do that, you<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; can add the labels yourself. For example:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; # mkfs.ext4 -m 1 -L mgaroot /dev/sda1 # mkswap -L swap<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; /dev/sda2 # mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -L home /dev/sda3<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The -m parameters above specifies the percentage reserved for<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the superuser. the -L parameters are the filesystem labels.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; After that, reboot to the installer and choose Custom<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Partitioning, assign your pre-existing partitions and be sure<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; _untick_ the [ ] Format boxes then continue installing as<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; usual.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; After the installation, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; replacing each UUID=&lt;blahblahblah&gt; with LABEL=&lt;label&gt;. For<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; example:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; root=LABEL=mgaroot (and) resume=LABEL=swap<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Similarly in /etc/fstab, you can have entries like:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; LABEL=mgaroot  /     ext4  relatime  1 1 LABEL=swap     swap<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; swap defaults  0 0<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; So the &#39;nickname&#39; feature you request is available with a<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; little pre-install preparation and post-install config file<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; editing.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hope this helps -- RJ<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks.  It will help a lot for my own use.  However, that really<br>
+&gt; needs to be included in the gui disk partitioning, so that people<br>
+&gt; can find and use it.  I&#39;m fairly sure there is no way to do that at<br>
+&gt; present.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+</div></div><div class="im">&gt; hum.. when in disk-patitioning on mcc if you toggle to expert mode<br>
+&gt; therre is a &quot;label&quot; menu (have not tested it though, so don&#39;t know<br>
+&gt; if it goes up to writing the right stanza in fstab).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Really?  I do normally enable Expert mode, and I&#39;ve never noticed<br>
+that!  Next time I do an install I&#39;ll definitely look for it.</blockquote><div> </div><div>It used to work fine at least :)</div><div>I remember making some small changes to diskdrake 4 years ago like displaying the label in partition info even in non expert mode and had been using labels for many years through diskdrake</div>
+
+<div>I think there is a display bug when people have UTF-8 in the label</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/11 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in firefox-aurora.<br>
+It doesn&#39;t impact anything in the distro and nothing depends on this package,.<br>
+<br>
+thx<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><div> - Current or newer revision(s) already exists in core/release for cauldron: 20.0-0.a2.hg20130214r123983.1.mga3</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/11 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in firefox-aurora.<br>
+It doesn&#39;t impact anything in the distro and nothing depends on this package,.<br>
+<br>
+thx<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><div> - Current or newer revision(s) already exists in core/release for cauldron: 20.0-0.a2.hg20130214r123983.1.mga3</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/11 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net" target="_blank">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+Please submit pidgin-sipe 1.15.0 (1.14.1 for now).<br>
+It&#39;s a bug fix and new importants features release:<br>
+- Feature #3578135: Support Kerberos for HTTP(S) authentication w/o SSPI<br>
+- Feature #3594094: Add HTTPS to autodiscover probe (Stefan Becker)<br>
+- Fixed #3603228: Crash on 1.14.1 when connecting to server<br>
+- Fixed #3604671: sip uri with apostrophe is not valid<br>
+- Fixed HTTP redirect crash<br>
+- Added implementation for HTTP &quot;WWW-Authenticate: Negotiate&quot; scheme<br>
+- TLS-DSK: don&#39;t ask for password if SSPI or Kerberos are compiled in<br>
+- Farstream 0.1.x compatibility<br>
+- Support conf:sip: meeting URIs<br>
+- Updated Adium port<br>
+<br>
+Thanks,<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Done </div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/11 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net" target="_blank">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+Please submit pidgin-sipe 1.15.0 (1.14.1 for now).<br>
+It&#39;s a bug fix and new importants features release:<br>
+- Feature #3578135: Support Kerberos for HTTP(S) authentication w/o SSPI<br>
+- Feature #3594094: Add HTTPS to autodiscover probe (Stefan Becker)<br>
+- Fixed #3603228: Crash on 1.14.1 when connecting to server<br>
+- Fixed #3604671: sip uri with apostrophe is not valid<br>
+- Fixed HTTP redirect crash<br>
+- Added implementation for HTTP &quot;WWW-Authenticate: Negotiate&quot; scheme<br>
+- TLS-DSK: don&#39;t ask for password if SSPI or Kerberos are compiled in<br>
+- Farstream 0.1.x compatibility<br>
+- Support conf:sip: meeting URIs<br>
+- Updated Adium port<br>
+<br>
+Thanks,<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Done </div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/11 FundaWang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name" target="_blank">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+----------------------------------------<br>
+&gt; From: <a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt; Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 14:10:15 +0100<br>
+&gt; To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] x11 server 1.3.3 for mga3?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 9 March 2013 11:06, FundaWang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt; &gt; Currently we have x11-server 1.13.2.902 in cauldron, is the version targeted with mga3 be 1.13.x stable?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yes. We won&#39;t upgrade to 1.14.x due to lack of support in fglrx<br>
+&gt; That&#39;s RC2 of 1.13.3 btw.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; If yes, then we should upgrade to 1.13.3 now.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; We should indeed update to final version<br>
+<br>
+Then could somebody push it?                                      </blockquote></div><br>Done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/11 FundaWang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name" target="_blank">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+----------------------------------------<br>
+&gt; From: <a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt; Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 14:10:15 +0100<br>
+&gt; To: <a href="mailto:mageia-dev@mageia.org">mageia-dev@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] x11 server 1.3.3 for mga3?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 9 March 2013 11:06, FundaWang &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt; &gt; Currently we have x11-server 1.13.2.902 in cauldron, is the version targeted with mga3 be 1.13.x stable?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yes. We won&#39;t upgrade to 1.14.x due to lack of support in fglrx<br>
+&gt; That&#39;s RC2 of 1.13.3 btw.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; If yes, then we should upgrade to 1.13.3 now.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; We should indeed update to final version<br>
+<br>
+Then could somebody push it?                                      </blockquote></div><br>Done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/12 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please push drakxtools &amp; drakx-installer-stage2:<br>
+<br>
+drakxtools:<br>
+=========<br>
+- fix mounting NFS server (Derek Jennings, mga#207)<br>
+- drakboot:<br>
+  o install grub2-efi instead of grub2 if using UEFI (mga#8886)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-stage2:<br>
+==================<br>
+- bootloader:<br>
+  o install grub2-efi instead of grub2 if using UEFI (mga#8886)<br>
+- fix permissions of help displayer (mga#9340)<br>
+- fix dialogs popup with drakx-in-chroot<br>
+<br>
+Thx<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/12 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please push drakxtools &amp; drakx-installer-stage2:<br>
+<br>
+drakxtools:<br>
+=========<br>
+- fix mounting NFS server (Derek Jennings, mga#207)<br>
+- drakboot:<br>
+  o install grub2-efi instead of grub2 if using UEFI (mga#8886)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-stage2:<br>
+==================<br>
+- bootloader:<br>
+  o install grub2-efi instead of grub2 if using UEFI (mga#8886)<br>
+- fix permissions of help displayer (mga#9340)<br>
+- fix dialogs popup with drakx-in-chroot<br>
+<br>
+Thx<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/12 FundaWang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name" target="_blank">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Could somebody pushing firefox, firefox-l10n, thunderbird and thunderbird-l10n 17.0.4esr for<br>
+CVE-2013-0787 (use-after-free in nsHTMLEditor when using execCommand)?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.                                           </blockquote></div><br>in progress<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/12 FundaWang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name" target="_blank">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Could somebody pushing firefox, firefox-l10n, thunderbird and thunderbird-l10n 17.0.4esr for<br>
+CVE-2013-0787 (use-after-free in nsHTMLEditor when using execCommand)?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.                                           </blockquote></div><br>in progress<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/11 zezinho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr" target="_blank">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please push mkvtoolnix.<br>
+<br>
+- this will prevent an annoying startup message saying an updated version is avaliable online ;-)<br>
+- build is OK at least on x86_64<br>
+- I tested this version here creating mkv files with subtitles<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/11 zezinho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lists.jjorge@free.fr" target="_blank">lists.jjorge@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please push mkvtoolnix.<br>
+<br>
+- this will prevent an annoying startup message saying an updated version is avaliable online ;-)<br>
+- build is OK at least on x86_64<br>
+- I tested this version here creating mkv files with subtitles<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/12 You-Cheng Hsieh <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com" target="_blank">yochenhsieh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+As reported in bug #8705[1] and upstream[2], icewm is broken with<br>
+newer Xorg versions. I&#39;ve managed to modify certain image files in the<br>
+default theme &quot;icewm-theme-oxygen-aya&quot; so that the titlebar &amp; border<br>
+can be visible. Please help submit.<br>
+<br>
+Only spec file is modified, I add two lines of command to resize the images.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+[1] <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8705" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8705</a><br>
+[2] <a href="http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&amp;atid=100031&amp;aid=3601660&amp;group_id=31" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&amp;atid=100031&amp;aid=3601660&amp;group_id=31</a><br>
+
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div>Done</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..b7247ed71
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130312/eb534737/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,16 @@
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/12 You-Cheng Hsieh <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com" target="_blank">yochenhsieh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+As reported in bug #8705[1] and upstream[2], icewm is broken with<br>
+newer Xorg versions. I&#39;ve managed to modify certain image files in the<br>
+default theme &quot;icewm-theme-oxygen-aya&quot; so that the titlebar &amp; border<br>
+can be visible. Please help submit.<br>
+<br>
+Only spec file is modified, I add two lines of command to resize the images.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+[1] <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8705" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8705</a><br>
+[2] <a href="http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&amp;atid=100031&amp;aid=3601660&amp;group_id=31" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&amp;atid=100031&amp;aid=3601660&amp;group_id=31</a><br>
+
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div>Done</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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new file mode 100644
index 000000000..86f49a104
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0001.obj
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+--- a/obm/ObmW/Imakefile	2005-05-27 07:43:45.000000000 +0800
++++ b/obm/ObmW/Imakefile	2013-03-09 01:19:48.313660746 +0800
+@@ -21,13 +21,7 @@
+         CCOPTIONS = -traditional-cpp
+ #endif
+ 
+-#if ((GccMajorVersion == 3) && (GccMinorVersion >= 1))
+-        CCOPTIONS = -DUSE_STDARG
+-#else
+-        CCOPTIONS =
+-#endif
+-
+-
++CCOPTIONS = -DUSE_STDARG
+ 
+ HEADERS = \
+ 	Arrow.h ArrowP.h Board.h BoardP.h Button.h ButtonP.h \
+--- a/xgterm/button.c~	1998-04-19 14:38:00.000000000 +0800
++++ b/xgterm/button.c	2013-03-10 18:14:44.145470160 +0800
+@@ -39,8 +39,7 @@
+ #include "data.h"
+ #include "error.h"
+ #include "menu.h"
+-
+-extern char *malloc();
++#include <stdlib.h>
+ 
+ extern void DoSecureKeyboard();
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
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+diff --git a/pkg/cl/unop.c b/pkg/cl/unop.c
+index 45d64b9..44004c5 100644
+--- a/pkg/cl/unop.c
++++ b/pkg/cl/unop.c
+@@ -260,7 +260,7 @@ int	opcode;
+ 	    break;
+ 	case OP_NINT:
+ 	    if (in_type == OT_REAL)
+-		iresult = nint (rval);
++	        iresult = (int)(rval + 0.5);
+ 	    else
+ 		iresult = ival;
+ 	    break;
+diff --git a/pkg/ecl/unop.c b/pkg/ecl/unop.c
+index 1e944b5..862bd8d 100644
+--- a/pkg/ecl/unop.c
++++ b/pkg/ecl/unop.c
+@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@ unop (int opcode)
+ 	    break;
+ 	case OP_NINT:
+ 	    if (in_type == OT_REAL)
+-		iresult = nint (rval);
++	        iresult = (int)(rval + 0.5);
+ 	    else
+ 		iresult = ival;
+ 	    break;
+diff --git a/pkg/vocl/unop.c b/pkg/vocl/unop.c
+index 9289341..8427bd44 100644
+--- a/pkg/vocl/unop.c
++++ b/pkg/vocl/unop.c
+@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@ unop (int opcode)
+ 	    break;
+ 	case OP_NINT:
+ 	    if (in_type == OT_REAL)
+-		iresult = nint (rval);
++   	        iresult = (int)(rval + 0.5);
+ 	    else
+ 		iresult = ival;
+ 	    break;
+diff --git a/unix/boot/spp/xc.c b/unix/boot/spp/xc.c
+index 813df0e..f901638 100644
+--- a/unix/boot/spp/xc.c
++++ b/unix/boot/spp/xc.c
+@@ -1213,7 +1213,12 @@ passflag:		    mkobject = YES;
+ 		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB6);
+ 	    }
+ 	}
+-
++#ifdef HOST_CURL
++	arglist[nargs++] = "-lcurl";
++#endif
++#ifdef HOST_EXPAT
++	arglist[nargs++] = "-lexpat";
++#endif
+ 	/* Host libraries, searched after iraf libraries. */
+ 	for (i=0;  i < nhlibs;  i++)
+ 	    arglist[nargs++] = hlibs[i];
+@@ -1360,6 +1365,7 @@ int *p_nargs;
+ 		    link_static = 1;
+ 	        } else if (strcmp (lflag, F_SHARED) == 0) {
+ 		    link_static = 0;
++#ifndef HOST_F2C
+ #if defined(LINUX) || defined(BSD) || defined(X86) || defined(MACOSX)
+ 	        } else if ((strcmp (lflag, "-lf2c") == 0) || 
+ 	    	    (strcmp (lflag, "-lcompat") == 0)) {
+@@ -1369,8 +1375,10 @@ int *p_nargs;
+ 		        arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (lflag);
+ 		        *p_nargs = nargs;
+ 		        return (1);
+-	        }
+ #endif
++#endif
++	        }
++
+ #ifdef SOLARIS
+ 	        else if (strcmp (lflag, "-ldl") == 0) {
+ 		    /* This beastie has to be linked dynamic on Solaris, but
+diff --git a/unix/hlib/irafuser.csh b/unix/hlib/irafuser.csh
+index a72270a..0bd6ee7 100644
+--- a/unix/hlib/irafuser.csh
++++ b/unix/hlib/irafuser.csh
+@@ -1,59 +1,8 @@
+ # IRAF definitions for the UNIX/csh user.  The additional variables iraf$ and
+ # home$ should be defined in the user's .login file.
+ 
+-
+-set old_method		= 0
+-
+-if ($old_method == 1) then
+-
+-setenv OS_MACH	`uname -s | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' | cut -c1-6`
+-
+-if (`uname -m` == "x86_64") then
+-    if ($OS_MACH == "darwin") then
+-        setenv MACH darwin
+-        setenv IRAFARCH darwin
+-    else
+-        setenv MACH linux64
+-        setenv IRAFARCH linux64
+-    endif
+-else if (-f /etc/redhat-release) then
+-    setenv MACH redhat
+-else
+-    setenv MACH		`uname -s | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'`
+-endif
+-
+-if ($MACH == "darwin") then
+-    # Let the IRAFARCH override the machine to support cross compilation.
+-    if ($?IRAFARCH) then
+-        if ("$IRAFARCH" == "macosx") then
+-	    setenv MACH macosx
+-        else if ("$IRAFARCH" == "macintel") then
+-	    setenv MACH macintel
+-        endif
+-    else
+-        if ("`uname -m`" == "i386") then
+-            setenv MACH macosx
+-            setenv IRAFARCH macosx
+-        else if ("`uname -m`" == "x86_64") then
+-            setenv MACH macintel
+-            setenv IRAFARCH macintel
+-        else 
+-            setenv MACH ipad
+-            setenv IRAFARCH ipad
+-        endif
+-    endif
+-else if ($OS_MACH == "cygwin") then
+-    setenv MACH cygwin
+-endif
+-
+-else		# old_method
+-            
+-    setenv MACH 	`$iraf/unix/hlib/irafarch.csh`
+-    setenv IRAFARCH 	`$iraf/unix/hlib/irafarch.csh`
+-            
+-endif		# old_method
+-
+-
++setenv MACH 	`$iraf/unix/hlib/irafarch.csh`
++setenv IRAFARCH 	`$iraf/unix/hlib/irafarch.csh`
+ 
+ setenv	hostid	unix
+ setenv	host	${iraf}unix/
+@@ -64,7 +13,7 @@ setenv	tmp	/tmp/
+ # Default to GCC for compilation.
+ setenv	CC	gcc
+ setenv	F77	$hlib/f77.sh
+-setenv	F2C	$hbin/f2c.e
++setenv	F2C	/usr/bin/f2c
+ setenv	RANLIB	ranlib
+ 
+ switch ($MACH)
+@@ -123,7 +72,7 @@ case ipad:
+     breaksw
+ 
+ case linux64:
+-    setenv HSI_CF "-g -DLINUX -DREDHAT -DPOSIX -DSYSV -DLINUX64 -DMACH64 -w -m64"
++    setenv HSI_CF "-g -O2 -I/usr/include -I${hlib}libc -DLINUX -DREDHAT -DPOSIX -DSYSV -DLINUX64 -DMACH64 -w -m64 -DNOLIBCNAMES -DHOST_F2C -DHOST_CURL -DHOST_EXPAT"
+     setenv HSI_XF "-g -Inolibc -w -/m64 -/Wunused"
+     setenv HSI_FF "-g -m64 -DBLD_KERNEL"
+     setenv HSI_LF "-m64 "
+@@ -135,7 +84,7 @@ case linux64:
+ 
+ case linux:
+ case redhat:
+-    setenv HSI_CF "-O -DLINUX -DREDHAT -DPOSIX -DSYSV -w -m32 -Wunused"
++    setenv HSI_CF "-g -O2 -I/usr/include -I${hlib}libc -DLINUX -DREDHAT -DPOSIX -DSYSV -w -m32 -Wunused"
+     setenv HSI_XF "-Inolibc -w -/Wunused -/m32"
+     setenv HSI_FF "-O -DBLD_KERNEL -m32"
+     setenv HSI_LF "-m32"
+@@ -191,10 +140,10 @@ setenv HSI_XF  "-I${HOME}/.iraf/ $HSI_XF"
+ # The following determines whether or not the VOS is used for filename mapping.
+ if (-f ${iraf}lib/libsys.a) then
+ 	setenv	HSI_LIBS\
+-    "${hlib}libboot.a ${iraf}lib/libsys.a ${iraf}lib/libvops.a ${hlib}libos.a ${hbin}libf2c.a -lm"
++    "${hbin}libboot.a ${iraf}lib/libsys.a ${iraf}lib/libvops.a -lf2c ${hbin}libos.a"
+ else
+ 	setenv	HSI_CF "$HSI_CF -DNOVOS"
+-	setenv	HSI_LIBS "${hlib}libboot.a ${hlib}libos.a"
++	setenv	HSI_LIBS "${hbin}libboot.a ${hbin}libos.a"
+ endif
+ 
+ setenv HSI_LIBS "$HSI_LIBS $HSI_OSLIBS"
+index 9e5ee88..9e8b7a4 100644
+--- a/unix/hlib/libc/iraf.h
++++ b/unix/hlib/libc/iraf.h
+@@ -5,6 +5,8 @@
+  * scans this file at run time to get the logical directory definitions.
+  */
+ 
++#undef abs
++
+ #ifndef D_iraf
+ /* ### Start of run time definitions */
+ #define	HOST		"/iraf/iraf/unix/"
+@@ -12,7 +14,7 @@
+ #define	TMP		"/tmp/"
+ /* ### End of run time definitions */
+ 
+-/* Compile time definitions (for C #ifdefs).
++/* Compile time definitions 
+  */
+ /* #define BSDUNIX */
+ /* #define SUNOS4 */
+@@ -20,89 +22,90 @@
+ #define D_iraf
+ #endif
+ 
+-/* Include any header files specified in "#define import_XXX" statements
++/* Include any header files specified in #define import_XXX statements
+  * before we were called.
+  */
+ #ifdef import_libc
+ #ifndef D_libc
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h"
++#include "libc.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_libc
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_spp
+ #ifndef D_spp
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/spp.h"
++#include "spp.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_spp
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_main
+ #ifndef D_main
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/main.h"
++#include "main.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_main
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_stdio
+ #ifndef D_stdio
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/stdio.h"
++
++#include "iraf/stdio.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_stdio
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_error
+ #ifndef D_error
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/error.h"
++#include "error.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_error
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_ctype
+ #ifndef D_ctype
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/ctype.h"
++#include "iraf/ctype.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_ctype
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_finfo
+ #ifndef D_finfo
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/finfo.h"
++#include "finfo.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_finfo
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_fset
+ #ifndef D_fset
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/fset.h"
++#include "fset.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_fset
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_fpoll
+ #ifndef D_fpoll
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/fpoll.h"
++#include "fpoll.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_fpoll
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_kernel
+ #ifndef D_kernel
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/kernel.h"
++#include "kernel.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_kernel
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_xnames
+ #ifndef D_xnames
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/xnames.h"
++#include "xnames.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_xnames
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_knames
+ #ifndef D_knames
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/knames.h"
++#include "knames.h"
+ /*
+ #include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/kproto.h"
+ */
+@@ -112,77 +115,77 @@
+ 
+ #ifdef import_setjmp
+ #ifndef D_setjmp
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/setjmp.h"
++#include <setjmp.h>
+ #endif
+ #undef import_setjmp
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_xwhen
+ #ifndef D_xwhen
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/xwhen.h"
++#include "xwhen.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_xwhen
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_protect
+ #ifndef D_protect
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/protect.h"
++#include "protect.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_protect
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_prtype
+ #ifndef D_prtype
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/prtype.h"
++#include "prtype.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_prtype
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_zfstat
+ #ifndef D_zfstat
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/zfstat.h"
++#include "zfstat.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_zfstat
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_alloc
+ #ifndef D_alloc
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/alloc.h"
++#include "alloc.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_alloc
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_math
+ #ifndef D_math
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/math.h"
++#include <math.h>
+ #endif
+ #undef import_math
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_prstat
+ #ifndef D_prstat
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/prstat.h"
++#include "prstat.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_prstat
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_lexnum
+ #ifndef D_lexnum
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/lexnum.h"
++#include "lexnum.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_lexnum
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_ttset
+ #ifndef D_ttset
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/ttset.h"
++#include "ttset.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_ttset
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_stdarg
+ #ifndef D_stdarg
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/stdarg.h"
++#include <stdarg.h>
+ #endif
+ #undef import_stdarg
+ #endif
+diff --git a/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h b/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h
+index cf3b1c1..747b370 100644
+--- a/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h
++++ b/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h
+@@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ extern	char		MEMCOM[];
+ 
+ /* External names.
+  */
+-#ifndef NOLIBCNAMES
++#ifndef NOLIBCNAMES*/
+ 
+ #define	getenv		envget
+ #define	sys_nerr	u_sysnerr
+@@ -320,8 +320,9 @@ extern void	c_xwhen (int exception, PFI new_handler, PFI *old_handler);
+ 
+ /*
+ */
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/bin/f2c.h"
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/vosproto.h"
++#include "f2c.h"
++#undef abs
++#include "vosproto.h"
+ 
+ #define	D_libc
+ #define	D_libc_proto
+diff --git a/unix/mkpkg.sh b/unix/mkpkg.sh
+index 3ea7596..cc78b29 100644
+--- a/unix/mkpkg.sh
++++ b/unix/mkpkg.sh
+@@ -22,3 +22,8 @@ echo "----------------------- GDEV ---------------------------"
+ # Install the newly created executables.
+ echo "install HSI executables in $host/bin.$MACH"
+ mv -f hlib/*.e bin.$MACH
++pushd bin.$MACH
++for i in *.e
++do ln -sf $i ${i%.*}
++done
++popd
+diff --git a/unix/os/zzstrt.c b/unix/os/zzstrt.c
+index a6f5808..33791ed 100644
+--- a/unix/os/zzstrt.c
++++ b/unix/os/zzstrt.c
+@@ -101,7 +101,12 @@ int	BSS_kludge[256];
+ 
+ void 	ready_ (void);
+ 
+-
++#ifdef HOST_F2C
++extern int MAIN__();
++int MAIN__() {
++  exit(0);
++}
++#endif
+ 
+ /* ZZSTRT -- Initialize the IRAF kernel at process startup time.
+  */
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/Makefile
+index 7c3d59a..7bf23c1 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/Makefile
+@@ -37,50 +37,55 @@ LIBS		= -lm -lc -lpthread
+ 
+ 
+ all:
+-	(cd common      ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd libvo       ; make all  ; make install)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvo       ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
+ 
+ libs:
+-	(cd common      ; make libs)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make libs)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make libs)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make libs)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make libs)
+-	(cd libvo       ; make libs)
++
++mylib:
++#	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} )
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} .BASE lib ; cp *.h ../include ; cp *.a ../lib )
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} install )
++	cp libsamp/cfitsio/*.h include
++	cp libsamp/libxrpc/*.h include
++	cp -r libsamp/libxrpc/include/xmlrpc-c include
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} lib ; cp *.a ../lib )
++	(rm -f *.o ; cd libvo       ; ${MAKE} HOST_CURL=1 lib)
+ 
+ apps:
+-	(cd common      ; make apps)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make apps)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make apps)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make apps)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make apps)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} apps)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} apps)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} apps)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} apps)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} apps)
+ 
+ examples:
+-	(cd common      ; make examples)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make examples)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make examples)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make examples)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make examples)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} examples)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} examples)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} examples)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} examples)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} examples)
+ 
+ install:
+-	(cd common      ; make install)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make install)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make install)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make install)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make install)
+-	(cd libvo       ; make install)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvo       ; ${MAKE} install)
+ 
+ clean:
+-	(cd common      ; make clean)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make clean)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make clean)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make clean)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make clean)
+-	(cd libvo       ; make clean)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd libvo       ; ${MAKE} clean)
+ 	/bin/rm -rf voclient/lib/libvoclient.*
+ 	/bin/rm -rf bin/* lib/* include/* spool
+ 
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/Makefile
+index c74affb..def14cc 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/Makefile
+@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@ SHAREDLIB 	= $(LIBDIR)/$(LIBBASE).so.$(VERSION)
+ 
+ # includes, flags and libraries
+ CC              = gcc
+-CINCS           = -I$(INCDIR)  -I.
++CINCS           = -I$(INCDIR)  -I. -Ilibxrpc/include -Ilibxrpc
+ 
+ ifeq ("$(PLATFORM)", "Darwin")
+     ifeq  ("$(PLMACH)", "macintel")
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curlmulti.c b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curlmulti.c
+index 526a4db..5503b9f 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curlmulti.c
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curlmulti.c
+@@ -17,7 +17,6 @@
+ #endif
+ 
+ #include <curl/curl.h>
+-#include <curl/types.h>
+ #include <curl/easy.h>
+ #include <curl/multi.h>
+ 
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curltransaction.c b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curltransaction.c
+index 630f318..3086435 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curltransaction.c
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curltransaction.c
+@@ -15,7 +15,6 @@
+ #include "version.h"
+ 
+ #include <curl/curl.h>
+-#include <curl/types.h>
+ #include <curl/easy.h>
+ 
+ #include "curlversion.h"
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c
+index 526381d..9b7b530 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c
+@@ -83,7 +83,6 @@
+ #include "xmlrpc-c/time_int.h"
+ 
+ #include <curl/curl.h>
+-#include <curl/types.h>
+ #include <curl/easy.h>
+ #include <curl/multi.h>
+ 
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libvo/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/libvo/Makefile
+index 69067e8..d680702 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libvo/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libvo/Makefile
+@@ -70,11 +70,14 @@ zztest: zztest.o $(OBJS)
+ ####################################
+ 
+ lib: objs $(INCS)
++	rm -f *.o
+ 	ar x ../lib/libsamp.a
+ 	ar x ../lib/libVOTable.a
+ 	ar x ../lib/libVOClient.a
+ 	ar x ../lib/libVOApps.a
++ifndef HOST_CURL
+ 	ar x ../lib/libcurl.a
++endif
+ 	chmod 644 *.o
+ 	ar rv libVO.a *.o
+ 	/bin/rm -f *.o __*
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libvotable/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/libvotable/Makefile
+index 6ee6e95..3eb3351 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libvotable/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libvotable/Makefile
+@@ -15,7 +15,6 @@ BINDIR    	:= ../bin/
+ LIBDIR    	:= ../lib/
+ INCDIR    	:= ../include/
+ 
+-
+ # secondary dependencies
+ 
+ LIBBASE		= lib$(NAME)
+@@ -48,9 +47,11 @@ OBJS 		= votParse.o votParse_f77.o votParse_spp.o \
+ 		  votExpatCB.o votElement.o votAttr.o votStack.o votHandle.o
+ INCS 		= votParse.h
+ 
++ifneq ($(NOVOS),1)
+ SPP_SRCS	= votUtil_spp.x
+ SPP_OBJS	= votUtil_spp.o
+ SPP_INCS 	= votParse_spp.h
++endif
+ 
+ INCS_PRIV	= votParseP.h
+ LIBS		= lib$(NAME).a
+@@ -105,7 +106,7 @@ lib: objs
+ ###############################################################################
+ 
+ votUtil_spp.o: votUtil_spp.x votParse_spp.h
+-	xc -c votUtil_spp.x
++	xc -c -w votUtil_spp.x
+ 
+ 
+ ###############################################################################
+diff --git a/util/mksysvos b/util/mksysvos
+new file mode 100755
+index 0000000..88a8ec0
+--- /dev/null
++++ b/util/mksysvos
+@@ -0,0 +1,41 @@
++#!/bin/csh -f
++#
++
++if (! $?iraf) then
++    #echo ""
++    #echo "Error:  You must have the iraf env variable defined !"
++    #echo ""
++    #exit 1
++
++    set  iraf 	= $cwd/
++endif
++
++
++set  c_start	= `date`
++/bin/rm -f spool */spool
++
++
++#$iraf/util/mkclean				# clean old binaries
++
++echo "=== VOS bootstrap ==="
++cd $iraf/unix					# VOS bootstrap
++source hlib/irafuser.csh
++sh -x mkpkg.sh |& tee -a spool
++
++echo "=== VOS core ==="
++cd $iraf/					# build core system
++mkpkg |& tee -a spool
++
++echo "=== NOAO ==="
++cd $iraf/noao					# build NOAO package
++setenv noao $cwd/
++mkpkg -p noao |& tee -a spool
++
++set  c_end	= `date`
++
++
++echo ""
++echo ""
++echo ""
++echo "Start:  $c_start"
++echo "  End:  $c_end"
+diff --git a/util/mksysnovos b/util/mksysnovos
+new file mode 100755
+index 0000000..6fd2735
+--- /dev/null
++++ b/util/mksysnovos
+@@ -0,0 +1,34 @@
++#!/bin/csh -f
++#
++
++if (! $?iraf) then
++    #echo ""
++    #echo "Error:  You must have the iraf env variable defined !"
++    #echo ""
++    #exit 1
++
++    set  iraf 	= $cwd/
++endif
++
++
++set  c_start	= `date`
++/bin/rm -f spool */spool
++
++
++#$iraf/util/mkclean				# clean old binaries
++
++echo "=== NOVOS bootstrap ==="
++cd $iraf/unix					# NOVOS bootstrap
++source hlib/irafuser.csh
++sh -x mkpkg.sh |& tee -a spool
++
++echo "=== NOVOS build ==="
++cd $iraf/					# build NOVOS
++mkpkg |& tee -a spool
++set  c_end	= `date`
++
++echo ""
++echo ""
++echo ""
++echo "Start:  $c_start"
++echo "  End:  $c_end"
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/common/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/common/Makefile
+index 5d29ba2..ed6e2da 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/common/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/common/Makefile
+@@ -38,28 +38,28 @@ all::	curl expat
+ 
+ libs::
+ 	(/bin/csh -f mklibs)
+-	(cd expat ; ./configure --prefix=${HERE}/../; \ make ; make installlib)
++	(cd expat ; ./configure --prefix=${HERE}/.. ; $(MAKE) ; $(MAKE) installlib)
+ 
+ curl::
+ 	(/bin/csh -f mklibs)
+ 
+ expat::
+-	(cd expat ; ./configure --prefix=${HERE}/../; \ make ; make installlib)
++	(cd expat ; ./configure --prefix=${HERE}/.. ; $(MAKE) ; $(MAKE) installlib)
+ 
+ apps:
+ 
+ install:
+-	(cd curl  ; make install)
+-	#(cd expat ; make install)
++	(cd curl  ; $(MAKE) install)
++	#(cd expat ; $(MAKE) install)
+ 	(/bin/rm -rf ../man ../share)
+ 
+ clean:
+-	(cd curl  	; make clean)
+-	(cd expat     	; make clean)
++	(cd curl  	; $(MAKE) clean)
++	(cd expat     	; $(MAKE) clean)
+ 
+ distclean:
+-	(cd curl  	; make distclean)
+-	(cd expat     	; make distclean)
++	(cd curl  	; $(MAKE) distclean)
++	(cd expat     	; $(MAKE) distclean)
+ 
+ 
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0003.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0003.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..d376c8616
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0003.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,121 @@
+Summary: Programs for Processing and Analysis of Astronomical Data
+Name: iraf
+Version: 2.16
+Release: %mkrel 1
+License: Freely redistributable/modifiable if attributed, no warranty
+Group: Applications/Scientific
+Distribution: Tim's RPM Shack
+Source0: ftp://iraf.noao.edu/iraf/v216/PCIX/iraf-src.tar.gz
+Source1: http://iraf.noao.edu/x11iraf/x11iraf-v2.0BETA-src.tar.gz
+Patch0: iraf-build.patch
+Patch1: x11iraf.stdarg.patch
+Url: http://iraf.noao.edu/
+Provides: iraf
+BuildRequires: curl-devel
+
+%description
+IRAF stands for the Image Reduction and Analysis Facility. It
+is the de facto standard for the general processing of astronomical images
+and spectroscopy from the ultraviolet to the far infrared.  IRAF is a 
+product of the National Optical Astronomy Observatories (www.noao.edu). 
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -c
+%patch0 -p1
+chmod a+x util/mksysvos  util/mksysnovos
+pushd unix/hlib/libc
+mkdir iraf
+mv stdio.h iraf
+mv ctype.h iraf
+rm -f stdarg*.h setjmp.h kproto*
+popd
+%setup -q -T -c -a 1 -n x11-iraf
+%patch1 -p1
+
+%build
+export iraf=%{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}/
+export host=unix
+export hlib=%{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}/unix/hlib/
+export PATH=$PATH:${iraf}"unix/bin/"
+export pkglibs=${iraf}noao/lib/,${iraf}unix/hlib/libc/,${iraf}unix/bin/
+cd %{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}
+export HOST_CURL=1
+export IRAFARCH=`${hlib}irafarch.csh`
+
+rm -f ${iraf}unix/bin/*
+rm -rf ${iraf}unix/bin.*/*
+rm -f ${iraf}unix/bin
+rm -f ${iraf}bin
+ln -sf bin.${IRAFARCH} bin
+
+pushd unix/hlib
+ln -sf mach`getconf LONG_BIT`.h mach.h
+ln -sf iraf`getconf LONG_BIT`.h iraf.h
+popd
+
+find -name "*.a" | xargs rm -f
+make src
+export NOVOS=1
+pushd vendor/cfitsio
+./configure
+make
+cp libcfitsio.a $iraf/lib
+popd
+
+pushd vendor/voclient
+make mylib
+cp libvo/libVO.a $iraf/lib
+popd
+
+${iraf}util/mksysnovos
+
+unset NOVOS
+pushd vendor/cfitsio
+./configure
+make
+cp libcfitsio.a $iraf/lib
+popd
+
+export pkglibs=${iraf}noao/lib/,${iraf}unix/bin/,${iraf}unix/hlib/
+pushd vendor/voclient
+make clean
+make mylib 
+cp libvo/libVO.a $iraf/lib
+popd
+
+export pkglibs=${iraf}noao/lib/,${iraf}unix/bin/,${iraf}unix/hlib/libc/
+${iraf}util/mksysvos
+sed -i unix/hlib/mkiraf.csh -e s!/iraf/iraf!%{_datadir}/iraf!g
+cp ${iraf}unix/bin/*.a ${iraf}lib
+rm pkg/utilities/nttools/xx_nttools.e
+
+cd %{_builddir}/x11-iraf
+rm ximtool/clients/x_ism.o
+xmkmf
+export PATH=$PATH:${iraf}"unix/bin/"
+make
+
+
+%install
+%{__mkdir_p} %{buildroot}/%{_bindir}
+cd %{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}
+%{__mkdir_p} %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr pkg %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr bin.* %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr unix vo util extern noao dev *.GEN %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr doc %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr lib %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr include %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr unix/hlib/mkiraf.csh %{buildroot}/%{_bindir}/mkiraf 
+cp -pr unix/hlib/cl.csh %{buildroot}/%{_bindir}/cl
+%{__mkdir_p} %{buildroot}/%{_includedir}
+cp unix/hlib/libc/iraf.h %{buildroot}/%{_includedir}
+cd %{_builddir}/x11-iraf 
+make install
+cp -pr bin/* %{buildroot}/%{_bindir}
+
+%files
+%doc %{_datadir}/iraf/doc
+%{_datadir}/iraf
+%{_bindir}
+%{_includedir}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0004.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0004.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..86f49a104
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0004.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,29 @@
+--- a/obm/ObmW/Imakefile	2005-05-27 07:43:45.000000000 +0800
++++ b/obm/ObmW/Imakefile	2013-03-09 01:19:48.313660746 +0800
+@@ -21,13 +21,7 @@
+         CCOPTIONS = -traditional-cpp
+ #endif
+ 
+-#if ((GccMajorVersion == 3) && (GccMinorVersion >= 1))
+-        CCOPTIONS = -DUSE_STDARG
+-#else
+-        CCOPTIONS =
+-#endif
+-
+-
++CCOPTIONS = -DUSE_STDARG
+ 
+ HEADERS = \
+ 	Arrow.h ArrowP.h Board.h BoardP.h Button.h ButtonP.h \
+--- a/xgterm/button.c~	1998-04-19 14:38:00.000000000 +0800
++++ b/xgterm/button.c	2013-03-10 18:14:44.145470160 +0800
+@@ -39,8 +39,7 @@
+ #include "data.h"
+ #include "error.h"
+ #include "menu.h"
+-
+-extern char *malloc();
++#include <stdlib.h>
+ 
+ extern void DoSecureKeyboard();
+ 
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0005.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0005.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..c981e9b9c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130313/1942caf5/attachment-0005.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,776 @@
+diff --git a/pkg/cl/unop.c b/pkg/cl/unop.c
+index 45d64b9..44004c5 100644
+--- a/pkg/cl/unop.c
++++ b/pkg/cl/unop.c
+@@ -260,7 +260,7 @@ int	opcode;
+ 	    break;
+ 	case OP_NINT:
+ 	    if (in_type == OT_REAL)
+-		iresult = nint (rval);
++	        iresult = (int)(rval + 0.5);
+ 	    else
+ 		iresult = ival;
+ 	    break;
+diff --git a/pkg/ecl/unop.c b/pkg/ecl/unop.c
+index 1e944b5..862bd8d 100644
+--- a/pkg/ecl/unop.c
++++ b/pkg/ecl/unop.c
+@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@ unop (int opcode)
+ 	    break;
+ 	case OP_NINT:
+ 	    if (in_type == OT_REAL)
+-		iresult = nint (rval);
++	        iresult = (int)(rval + 0.5);
+ 	    else
+ 		iresult = ival;
+ 	    break;
+diff --git a/pkg/vocl/unop.c b/pkg/vocl/unop.c
+index 9289341..8427bd44 100644
+--- a/pkg/vocl/unop.c
++++ b/pkg/vocl/unop.c
+@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@ unop (int opcode)
+ 	    break;
+ 	case OP_NINT:
+ 	    if (in_type == OT_REAL)
+-		iresult = nint (rval);
++   	        iresult = (int)(rval + 0.5);
+ 	    else
+ 		iresult = ival;
+ 	    break;
+diff --git a/unix/boot/spp/xc.c b/unix/boot/spp/xc.c
+index 813df0e..f901638 100644
+--- a/unix/boot/spp/xc.c
++++ b/unix/boot/spp/xc.c
+@@ -1213,7 +1213,12 @@ passflag:		    mkobject = YES;
+ 		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB6);
+ 	    }
+ 	}
+-
++#ifdef HOST_CURL
++	arglist[nargs++] = "-lcurl";
++#endif
++#ifdef HOST_EXPAT
++	arglist[nargs++] = "-lexpat";
++#endif
+ 	/* Host libraries, searched after iraf libraries. */
+ 	for (i=0;  i < nhlibs;  i++)
+ 	    arglist[nargs++] = hlibs[i];
+@@ -1360,6 +1365,7 @@ int *p_nargs;
+ 		    link_static = 1;
+ 	        } else if (strcmp (lflag, F_SHARED) == 0) {
+ 		    link_static = 0;
++#ifndef HOST_F2C
+ #if defined(LINUX) || defined(BSD) || defined(X86) || defined(MACOSX)
+ 	        } else if ((strcmp (lflag, "-lf2c") == 0) || 
+ 	    	    (strcmp (lflag, "-lcompat") == 0)) {
+@@ -1369,8 +1375,10 @@ int *p_nargs;
+ 		        arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (lflag);
+ 		        *p_nargs = nargs;
+ 		        return (1);
+-	        }
+ #endif
++#endif
++	        }
++
+ #ifdef SOLARIS
+ 	        else if (strcmp (lflag, "-ldl") == 0) {
+ 		    /* This beastie has to be linked dynamic on Solaris, but
+diff --git a/unix/hlib/irafuser.csh b/unix/hlib/irafuser.csh
+index a72270a..0bd6ee7 100644
+--- a/unix/hlib/irafuser.csh
++++ b/unix/hlib/irafuser.csh
+@@ -1,59 +1,8 @@
+ # IRAF definitions for the UNIX/csh user.  The additional variables iraf$ and
+ # home$ should be defined in the user's .login file.
+ 
+-
+-set old_method		= 0
+-
+-if ($old_method == 1) then
+-
+-setenv OS_MACH	`uname -s | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' | cut -c1-6`
+-
+-if (`uname -m` == "x86_64") then
+-    if ($OS_MACH == "darwin") then
+-        setenv MACH darwin
+-        setenv IRAFARCH darwin
+-    else
+-        setenv MACH linux64
+-        setenv IRAFARCH linux64
+-    endif
+-else if (-f /etc/redhat-release) then
+-    setenv MACH redhat
+-else
+-    setenv MACH		`uname -s | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'`
+-endif
+-
+-if ($MACH == "darwin") then
+-    # Let the IRAFARCH override the machine to support cross compilation.
+-    if ($?IRAFARCH) then
+-        if ("$IRAFARCH" == "macosx") then
+-	    setenv MACH macosx
+-        else if ("$IRAFARCH" == "macintel") then
+-	    setenv MACH macintel
+-        endif
+-    else
+-        if ("`uname -m`" == "i386") then
+-            setenv MACH macosx
+-            setenv IRAFARCH macosx
+-        else if ("`uname -m`" == "x86_64") then
+-            setenv MACH macintel
+-            setenv IRAFARCH macintel
+-        else 
+-            setenv MACH ipad
+-            setenv IRAFARCH ipad
+-        endif
+-    endif
+-else if ($OS_MACH == "cygwin") then
+-    setenv MACH cygwin
+-endif
+-
+-else		# old_method
+-            
+-    setenv MACH 	`$iraf/unix/hlib/irafarch.csh`
+-    setenv IRAFARCH 	`$iraf/unix/hlib/irafarch.csh`
+-            
+-endif		# old_method
+-
+-
++setenv MACH 	`$iraf/unix/hlib/irafarch.csh`
++setenv IRAFARCH 	`$iraf/unix/hlib/irafarch.csh`
+ 
+ setenv	hostid	unix
+ setenv	host	${iraf}unix/
+@@ -64,7 +13,7 @@ setenv	tmp	/tmp/
+ # Default to GCC for compilation.
+ setenv	CC	gcc
+ setenv	F77	$hlib/f77.sh
+-setenv	F2C	$hbin/f2c.e
++setenv	F2C	/usr/bin/f2c
+ setenv	RANLIB	ranlib
+ 
+ switch ($MACH)
+@@ -123,7 +72,7 @@ case ipad:
+     breaksw
+ 
+ case linux64:
+-    setenv HSI_CF "-g -DLINUX -DREDHAT -DPOSIX -DSYSV -DLINUX64 -DMACH64 -w -m64"
++    setenv HSI_CF "-g -O2 -I/usr/include -I${hlib}libc -DLINUX -DREDHAT -DPOSIX -DSYSV -DLINUX64 -DMACH64 -w -m64 -DNOLIBCNAMES -DHOST_F2C -DHOST_CURL -DHOST_EXPAT"
+     setenv HSI_XF "-g -Inolibc -w -/m64 -/Wunused"
+     setenv HSI_FF "-g -m64 -DBLD_KERNEL"
+     setenv HSI_LF "-m64 "
+@@ -135,7 +84,7 @@ case linux64:
+ 
+ case linux:
+ case redhat:
+-    setenv HSI_CF "-O -DLINUX -DREDHAT -DPOSIX -DSYSV -w -m32 -Wunused"
++    setenv HSI_CF "-g -O2 -I/usr/include -I${hlib}libc -DLINUX -DREDHAT -DPOSIX -DSYSV -w -m32 -Wunused"
+     setenv HSI_XF "-Inolibc -w -/Wunused -/m32"
+     setenv HSI_FF "-O -DBLD_KERNEL -m32"
+     setenv HSI_LF "-m32"
+@@ -191,10 +140,10 @@ setenv HSI_XF  "-I${HOME}/.iraf/ $HSI_XF"
+ # The following determines whether or not the VOS is used for filename mapping.
+ if (-f ${iraf}lib/libsys.a) then
+ 	setenv	HSI_LIBS\
+-    "${hlib}libboot.a ${iraf}lib/libsys.a ${iraf}lib/libvops.a ${hlib}libos.a ${hbin}libf2c.a -lm"
++    "${hbin}libboot.a ${iraf}lib/libsys.a ${iraf}lib/libvops.a -lf2c ${hbin}libos.a"
+ else
+ 	setenv	HSI_CF "$HSI_CF -DNOVOS"
+-	setenv	HSI_LIBS "${hlib}libboot.a ${hlib}libos.a"
++	setenv	HSI_LIBS "${hbin}libboot.a ${hbin}libos.a"
+ endif
+ 
+ setenv HSI_LIBS "$HSI_LIBS $HSI_OSLIBS"
+index 9e5ee88..9e8b7a4 100644
+--- a/unix/hlib/libc/iraf.h
++++ b/unix/hlib/libc/iraf.h
+@@ -5,6 +5,8 @@
+  * scans this file at run time to get the logical directory definitions.
+  */
+ 
++#undef abs
++
+ #ifndef D_iraf
+ /* ### Start of run time definitions */
+ #define	HOST		"/iraf/iraf/unix/"
+@@ -12,7 +14,7 @@
+ #define	TMP		"/tmp/"
+ /* ### End of run time definitions */
+ 
+-/* Compile time definitions (for C #ifdefs).
++/* Compile time definitions 
+  */
+ /* #define BSDUNIX */
+ /* #define SUNOS4 */
+@@ -20,89 +22,90 @@
+ #define D_iraf
+ #endif
+ 
+-/* Include any header files specified in "#define import_XXX" statements
++/* Include any header files specified in #define import_XXX statements
+  * before we were called.
+  */
+ #ifdef import_libc
+ #ifndef D_libc
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h"
++#include "libc.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_libc
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_spp
+ #ifndef D_spp
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/spp.h"
++#include "spp.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_spp
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_main
+ #ifndef D_main
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/main.h"
++#include "main.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_main
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_stdio
+ #ifndef D_stdio
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/stdio.h"
++
++#include "iraf/stdio.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_stdio
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_error
+ #ifndef D_error
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/error.h"
++#include "error.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_error
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_ctype
+ #ifndef D_ctype
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/ctype.h"
++#include "iraf/ctype.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_ctype
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_finfo
+ #ifndef D_finfo
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/finfo.h"
++#include "finfo.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_finfo
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_fset
+ #ifndef D_fset
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/fset.h"
++#include "fset.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_fset
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_fpoll
+ #ifndef D_fpoll
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/fpoll.h"
++#include "fpoll.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_fpoll
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_kernel
+ #ifndef D_kernel
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/kernel.h"
++#include "kernel.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_kernel
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_xnames
+ #ifndef D_xnames
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/xnames.h"
++#include "xnames.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_xnames
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_knames
+ #ifndef D_knames
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/knames.h"
++#include "knames.h"
+ /*
+ #include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/kproto.h"
+ */
+@@ -112,77 +115,77 @@
+ 
+ #ifdef import_setjmp
+ #ifndef D_setjmp
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/setjmp.h"
++#include <setjmp.h>
+ #endif
+ #undef import_setjmp
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_xwhen
+ #ifndef D_xwhen
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/xwhen.h"
++#include "xwhen.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_xwhen
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_protect
+ #ifndef D_protect
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/protect.h"
++#include "protect.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_protect
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_prtype
+ #ifndef D_prtype
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/prtype.h"
++#include "prtype.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_prtype
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_zfstat
+ #ifndef D_zfstat
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/zfstat.h"
++#include "zfstat.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_zfstat
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_alloc
+ #ifndef D_alloc
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/alloc.h"
++#include "alloc.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_alloc
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_math
+ #ifndef D_math
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/math.h"
++#include <math.h>
+ #endif
+ #undef import_math
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_prstat
+ #ifndef D_prstat
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/prstat.h"
++#include "prstat.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_prstat
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_lexnum
+ #ifndef D_lexnum
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/lexnum.h"
++#include "lexnum.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_lexnum
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_ttset
+ #ifndef D_ttset
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/ttset.h"
++#include "ttset.h"
+ #endif
+ #undef import_ttset
+ #endif
+ 
+ #ifdef import_stdarg
+ #ifndef D_stdarg
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/stdarg.h"
++#include <stdarg.h>
+ #endif
+ #undef import_stdarg
+ #endif
+diff --git a/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h b/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h
+index cf3b1c1..747b370 100644
+--- a/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h
++++ b/unix/hlib/libc/libc.h
+@@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ extern	char		MEMCOM[];
+ 
+ /* External names.
+  */
+-#ifndef NOLIBCNAMES
++#ifndef NOLIBCNAMES*/
+ 
+ #define	getenv		envget
+ #define	sys_nerr	u_sysnerr
+@@ -320,8 +320,9 @@ extern void	c_xwhen (int exception, PFI new_handler, PFI *old_handler);
+ 
+ /*
+ */
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/bin/f2c.h"
+-#include "/iraf/iraf/unix/hlib/libc/vosproto.h"
++#include "f2c.h"
++#undef abs
++#include "vosproto.h"
+ 
+ #define	D_libc
+ #define	D_libc_proto
+diff --git a/unix/mkpkg.sh b/unix/mkpkg.sh
+index 3ea7596..cc78b29 100644
+--- a/unix/mkpkg.sh
++++ b/unix/mkpkg.sh
+@@ -22,3 +22,8 @@ echo "----------------------- GDEV ---------------------------"
+ # Install the newly created executables.
+ echo "install HSI executables in $host/bin.$MACH"
+ mv -f hlib/*.e bin.$MACH
++pushd bin.$MACH
++for i in *.e
++do ln -sf $i ${i%.*}
++done
++popd
+diff --git a/unix/os/zzstrt.c b/unix/os/zzstrt.c
+index a6f5808..33791ed 100644
+--- a/unix/os/zzstrt.c
++++ b/unix/os/zzstrt.c
+@@ -101,7 +101,12 @@ int	BSS_kludge[256];
+ 
+ void 	ready_ (void);
+ 
+-
++#ifdef HOST_F2C
++extern int MAIN__();
++int MAIN__() {
++  exit(0);
++}
++#endif
+ 
+ /* ZZSTRT -- Initialize the IRAF kernel at process startup time.
+  */
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/Makefile
+index 7c3d59a..7bf23c1 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/Makefile
+@@ -37,50 +37,55 @@ LIBS		= -lm -lc -lpthread
+ 
+ 
+ all:
+-	(cd common      ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make all  ; make install)
+-	(cd libvo       ; make all  ; make install)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvo       ; ${MAKE} all  ; ${MAKE} install)
+ 
+ libs:
+-	(cd common      ; make libs)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make libs)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make libs)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make libs)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make libs)
+-	(cd libvo       ; make libs)
++
++mylib:
++#	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} )
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} .BASE lib ; cp *.h ../include ; cp *.a ../lib )
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} install )
++	cp libsamp/cfitsio/*.h include
++	cp libsamp/libxrpc/*.h include
++	cp -r libsamp/libxrpc/include/xmlrpc-c include
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} lib ; cp *.a ../lib )
++	(rm -f *.o ; cd libvo       ; ${MAKE} HOST_CURL=1 lib)
+ 
+ apps:
+-	(cd common      ; make apps)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make apps)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make apps)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make apps)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make apps)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} apps)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} apps)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} apps)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} apps)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} apps)
+ 
+ examples:
+-	(cd common      ; make examples)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make examples)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make examples)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make examples)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make examples)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} examples)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} examples)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} examples)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} examples)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} examples)
+ 
+ install:
+-	(cd common      ; make install)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make install)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make install)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make install)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make install)
+-	(cd libvo       ; make install)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} install)
++	(cd libvo       ; ${MAKE} install)
+ 
+ clean:
+-	(cd common      ; make clean)
+-	(cd libvotable  ; make clean)
+-	(cd libsamp     ; make clean)
+-	(cd libvoclient ; make clean)
+-	(cd voapps      ; make clean)
+-	(cd libvo       ; make clean)
++	(cd common      ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd libvotable  ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd libsamp     ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd libvoclient ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd voapps      ; ${MAKE} clean)
++	(cd libvo       ; ${MAKE} clean)
+ 	/bin/rm -rf voclient/lib/libvoclient.*
+ 	/bin/rm -rf bin/* lib/* include/* spool
+ 
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/Makefile
+index c74affb..def14cc 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/Makefile
+@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@ SHAREDLIB 	= $(LIBDIR)/$(LIBBASE).so.$(VERSION)
+ 
+ # includes, flags and libraries
+ CC              = gcc
+-CINCS           = -I$(INCDIR)  -I.
++CINCS           = -I$(INCDIR)  -I. -Ilibxrpc/include -Ilibxrpc
+ 
+ ifeq ("$(PLATFORM)", "Darwin")
+     ifeq  ("$(PLMACH)", "macintel")
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curlmulti.c b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curlmulti.c
+index 526a4db..5503b9f 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curlmulti.c
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curlmulti.c
+@@ -17,7 +17,6 @@
+ #endif
+ 
+ #include <curl/curl.h>
+-#include <curl/types.h>
+ #include <curl/easy.h>
+ #include <curl/multi.h>
+ 
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curltransaction.c b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curltransaction.c
+index 630f318..3086435 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curltransaction.c
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/curltransaction.c
+@@ -15,7 +15,6 @@
+ #include "version.h"
+ 
+ #include <curl/curl.h>
+-#include <curl/types.h>
+ #include <curl/easy.h>
+ 
+ #include "curlversion.h"
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c
+index 526381d..9b7b530 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libsamp/libxrpc/xmlrpc-c-1.16.29/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c
+@@ -83,7 +83,6 @@
+ #include "xmlrpc-c/time_int.h"
+ 
+ #include <curl/curl.h>
+-#include <curl/types.h>
+ #include <curl/easy.h>
+ #include <curl/multi.h>
+ 
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libvo/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/libvo/Makefile
+index 69067e8..d680702 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libvo/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libvo/Makefile
+@@ -70,11 +70,14 @@ zztest: zztest.o $(OBJS)
+ ####################################
+ 
+ lib: objs $(INCS)
++	rm -f *.o
+ 	ar x ../lib/libsamp.a
+ 	ar x ../lib/libVOTable.a
+ 	ar x ../lib/libVOClient.a
+ 	ar x ../lib/libVOApps.a
++ifndef HOST_CURL
+ 	ar x ../lib/libcurl.a
++endif
+ 	chmod 644 *.o
+ 	ar rv libVO.a *.o
+ 	/bin/rm -f *.o __*
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/libvotable/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/libvotable/Makefile
+index 6ee6e95..3eb3351 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/libvotable/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/libvotable/Makefile
+@@ -15,7 +15,6 @@ BINDIR    	:= ../bin/
+ LIBDIR    	:= ../lib/
+ INCDIR    	:= ../include/
+ 
+-
+ # secondary dependencies
+ 
+ LIBBASE		= lib$(NAME)
+@@ -48,9 +47,11 @@ OBJS 		= votParse.o votParse_f77.o votParse_spp.o \
+ 		  votExpatCB.o votElement.o votAttr.o votStack.o votHandle.o
+ INCS 		= votParse.h
+ 
++ifneq ($(NOVOS),1)
+ SPP_SRCS	= votUtil_spp.x
+ SPP_OBJS	= votUtil_spp.o
+ SPP_INCS 	= votParse_spp.h
++endif
+ 
+ INCS_PRIV	= votParseP.h
+ LIBS		= lib$(NAME).a
+@@ -105,7 +106,7 @@ lib: objs
+ ###############################################################################
+ 
+ votUtil_spp.o: votUtil_spp.x votParse_spp.h
+-	xc -c votUtil_spp.x
++	xc -c -w votUtil_spp.x
+ 
+ 
+ ###############################################################################
+diff --git a/util/mksysvos b/util/mksysvos
+new file mode 100755
+index 0000000..88a8ec0
+--- /dev/null
++++ b/util/mksysvos
+@@ -0,0 +1,41 @@
++#!/bin/csh -f
++#
++
++if (! $?iraf) then
++    #echo ""
++    #echo "Error:  You must have the iraf env variable defined !"
++    #echo ""
++    #exit 1
++
++    set  iraf 	= $cwd/
++endif
++
++
++set  c_start	= `date`
++/bin/rm -f spool */spool
++
++
++#$iraf/util/mkclean				# clean old binaries
++
++echo "=== VOS bootstrap ==="
++cd $iraf/unix					# VOS bootstrap
++source hlib/irafuser.csh
++sh -x mkpkg.sh |& tee -a spool
++
++echo "=== VOS core ==="
++cd $iraf/					# build core system
++mkpkg |& tee -a spool
++
++echo "=== NOAO ==="
++cd $iraf/noao					# build NOAO package
++setenv noao $cwd/
++mkpkg -p noao |& tee -a spool
++
++set  c_end	= `date`
++
++
++echo ""
++echo ""
++echo ""
++echo "Start:  $c_start"
++echo "  End:  $c_end"
+diff --git a/util/mksysnovos b/util/mksysnovos
+new file mode 100755
+index 0000000..6fd2735
+--- /dev/null
++++ b/util/mksysnovos
+@@ -0,0 +1,34 @@
++#!/bin/csh -f
++#
++
++if (! $?iraf) then
++    #echo ""
++    #echo "Error:  You must have the iraf env variable defined !"
++    #echo ""
++    #exit 1
++
++    set  iraf 	= $cwd/
++endif
++
++
++set  c_start	= `date`
++/bin/rm -f spool */spool
++
++
++#$iraf/util/mkclean				# clean old binaries
++
++echo "=== NOVOS bootstrap ==="
++cd $iraf/unix					# NOVOS bootstrap
++source hlib/irafuser.csh
++sh -x mkpkg.sh |& tee -a spool
++
++echo "=== NOVOS build ==="
++cd $iraf/					# build NOVOS
++mkpkg |& tee -a spool
++set  c_end	= `date`
++
++echo ""
++echo ""
++echo ""
++echo "Start:  $c_start"
++echo "  End:  $c_end"
+diff --git a/vendor/voclient/common/Makefile b/vendor/voclient/common/Makefile
+index 5d29ba2..ed6e2da 100644
+--- a/vendor/voclient/common/Makefile
++++ b/vendor/voclient/common/Makefile
+@@ -38,28 +38,28 @@ all::	curl expat
+ 
+ libs::
+ 	(/bin/csh -f mklibs)
+-	(cd expat ; ./configure --prefix=${HERE}/../; \ make ; make installlib)
++	(cd expat ; ./configure --prefix=${HERE}/.. ; $(MAKE) ; $(MAKE) installlib)
+ 
+ curl::
+ 	(/bin/csh -f mklibs)
+ 
+ expat::
+-	(cd expat ; ./configure --prefix=${HERE}/../; \ make ; make installlib)
++	(cd expat ; ./configure --prefix=${HERE}/.. ; $(MAKE) ; $(MAKE) installlib)
+ 
+ apps:
+ 
+ install:
+-	(cd curl  ; make install)
+-	#(cd expat ; make install)
++	(cd curl  ; $(MAKE) install)
++	#(cd expat ; $(MAKE) install)
+ 	(/bin/rm -rf ../man ../share)
+ 
+ clean:
+-	(cd curl  	; make clean)
+-	(cd expat     	; make clean)
++	(cd curl  	; $(MAKE) clean)
++	(cd expat     	; $(MAKE) clean)
+ 
+ distclean:
+-	(cd curl  	; make distclean)
+-	(cd expat     	; make distclean)
++	(cd curl  	; $(MAKE) distclean)
++	(cd expat     	; $(MAKE) distclean)
+ 
+ 
+ 
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+Summary: Programs for Processing and Analysis of Astronomical Data
+Name: iraf
+Version: 2.16
+Release: %mkrel 1
+License: Freely redistributable/modifiable if attributed, no warranty
+Group: Applications/Scientific
+Distribution: Tim's RPM Shack
+Source0: ftp://iraf.noao.edu/iraf/v216/PCIX/iraf-src.tar.gz
+Source1: http://iraf.noao.edu/x11iraf/x11iraf-v2.0BETA-src.tar.gz
+Patch0: iraf-build.patch
+Patch1: x11iraf.stdarg.patch
+Url: http://iraf.noao.edu/
+Provides: iraf
+BuildRequires: curl-devel
+
+%description
+IRAF stands for the Image Reduction and Analysis Facility. It
+is the de facto standard for the general processing of astronomical images
+and spectroscopy from the ultraviolet to the far infrared.  IRAF is a 
+product of the National Optical Astronomy Observatories (www.noao.edu). 
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -c
+%patch0 -p1
+chmod a+x util/mksysvos  util/mksysnovos
+pushd unix/hlib/libc
+mkdir iraf
+mv stdio.h iraf
+mv ctype.h iraf
+rm -f stdarg*.h setjmp.h kproto*
+popd
+%setup -q -T -c -a 1 -n x11-iraf
+%patch1 -p1
+
+%build
+export iraf=%{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}/
+export host=unix
+export hlib=%{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}/unix/hlib/
+export PATH=$PATH:${iraf}"unix/bin/"
+export pkglibs=${iraf}noao/lib/,${iraf}unix/hlib/libc/,${iraf}unix/bin/
+cd %{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}
+export HOST_CURL=1
+export IRAFARCH=`${hlib}irafarch.csh`
+
+rm -f ${iraf}unix/bin/*
+rm -rf ${iraf}unix/bin.*/*
+rm -f ${iraf}unix/bin
+rm -f ${iraf}bin
+ln -sf bin.${IRAFARCH} bin
+
+pushd unix/hlib
+ln -sf mach`getconf LONG_BIT`.h mach.h
+ln -sf iraf`getconf LONG_BIT`.h iraf.h
+popd
+
+find -name "*.a" | xargs rm -f
+make src
+export NOVOS=1
+pushd vendor/cfitsio
+./configure
+make
+cp libcfitsio.a $iraf/lib
+popd
+
+pushd vendor/voclient
+make mylib
+cp libvo/libVO.a $iraf/lib
+popd
+
+${iraf}util/mksysnovos
+
+unset NOVOS
+pushd vendor/cfitsio
+./configure
+make
+cp libcfitsio.a $iraf/lib
+popd
+
+export pkglibs=${iraf}noao/lib/,${iraf}unix/bin/,${iraf}unix/hlib/
+pushd vendor/voclient
+make clean
+make mylib 
+cp libvo/libVO.a $iraf/lib
+popd
+
+export pkglibs=${iraf}noao/lib/,${iraf}unix/bin/,${iraf}unix/hlib/libc/
+${iraf}util/mksysvos
+sed -i unix/hlib/mkiraf.csh -e s!/iraf/iraf!%{_datadir}/iraf!g
+cp ${iraf}unix/bin/*.a ${iraf}lib
+rm pkg/utilities/nttools/xx_nttools.e
+
+cd %{_builddir}/x11-iraf
+rm ximtool/clients/x_ism.o
+xmkmf
+export PATH=$PATH:${iraf}"unix/bin/"
+make
+
+
+%install
+%{__mkdir_p} %{buildroot}/%{_bindir}
+cd %{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}
+%{__mkdir_p} %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr pkg %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr bin.* %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr unix vo util extern noao dev *.GEN %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr doc %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr lib %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr include %{buildroot}/%{_datadir}/iraf
+cp -pr unix/hlib/mkiraf.csh %{buildroot}/%{_bindir}/mkiraf 
+cp -pr unix/hlib/cl.csh %{buildroot}/%{_bindir}/cl
+%{__mkdir_p} %{buildroot}/%{_includedir}
+cp unix/hlib/libc/iraf.h %{buildroot}/%{_includedir}
+cd %{_builddir}/x11-iraf 
+make install
+cp -pr bin/* %{buildroot}/%{_bindir}
+
+%files
+%doc %{_datadir}/iraf/doc
+%{_datadir}/iraf
+%{_bindir}
+%{_includedir}
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br><div><div class="h5">&gt;&gt; It&#39;s been reported before, but basically the solution is to not use<br>
+
+&gt;&gt; nss_ldap or pam_ldap but alternative packages nss-pam-ldapd and sssd.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Shouldn&#39;t we drop pam_ldap then?<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Yup that too.</blockquote><div><br><div>Sorry I missed the prior thread. I&#39;ll try to figure out nss-pam-ldapd.<br><br></div>Thanks to everyone for the pointers. -- RJ<br><br></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br><div><div class="h5">&gt;&gt; It&#39;s been reported before, but basically the solution is to not use<br>
+
+&gt;&gt; nss_ldap or pam_ldap but alternative packages nss-pam-ldapd and sssd.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Shouldn&#39;t we drop pam_ldap then?<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Yup that too.</blockquote><div><br><div>Sorry I missed the prior thread. I&#39;ll try to figure out nss-pam-ldapd.<br><br></div>Thanks to everyone for the pointers. -- RJ<br><br></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I&#39;d like to test LDAP client authentication hit a roadblock:<br><br>[root@localhost ~]# urpmi pam_ldap<br>A requested package cannot be installed:<br>pam_ldap-186-4.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied nss_ldap[&gt;= 217])<br>
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) n<br><br>[root@localhost ~]# urpmq -y nss_ldap<br>No package named nss_ldap<br><br></div>I&#39;m using <a href="http://mirrors.kernel.org">mirrors.kernel.org</a> (core + nonfree) which is usually fresh.<br>
+<br></div>Is this a work-in-progress issue or shall I file a bug report?<br><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I&#39;d like to test LDAP client authentication hit a roadblock:<br><br>[root@localhost ~]# urpmi pam_ldap<br>A requested package cannot be installed:<br>pam_ldap-186-4.mga3.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied nss_ldap[&gt;= 217])<br>
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) n<br><br>[root@localhost ~]# urpmq -y nss_ldap<br>No package named nss_ldap<br><br></div>I&#39;m using <a href="http://mirrors.kernel.org">mirrors.kernel.org</a> (core + nonfree) which is usually fresh.<br>
+<br></div>Is this a work-in-progress issue or shall I file a bug report?<br><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anne.nicolas@hupstream.com" target="_blank">anne.nicolas@hupstream.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Planning is a bit tricky at the moment. Next meeting will take place on 13rd of march, 20h UTC on #mageia-dev<br>
+<br>
+Here are the proposed topics:<br>
+<br>
+- packagers team organization<br>
+- quick review for Mageia 3 beta 3 and planning<br>
+- release critical bugs review<br>
+<br>
+As usual feel free to propose some others<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Anne NICOLAS-VELU<br>
+<a href="http://hupstream.com" target="_blank">http://hupstream.com</a><br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Please, discus this bug:<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3723">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3723</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+I think it is release blocker, it existed since Mageia 2 and messed the locale of anybody who changes his TimeZone (at least using the LiveCD)<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anne.nicolas@hupstream.com" target="_blank">anne.nicolas@hupstream.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Planning is a bit tricky at the moment. Next meeting will take place on 13rd of march, 20h UTC on #mageia-dev<br>
+<br>
+Here are the proposed topics:<br>
+<br>
+- packagers team organization<br>
+- quick review for Mageia 3 beta 3 and planning<br>
+- release critical bugs review<br>
+<br>
+As usual feel free to propose some others<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Anne NICOLAS-VELU<br>
+<a href="http://hupstream.com" target="_blank">http://hupstream.com</a><br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Please, discus this bug:<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3723">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3723</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+I think it is release blocker, it existed since Mageia 2 and messed the locale of anybody who changes his TimeZone (at least using the LiveCD)<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi. I&#39;m afraid i won&#39;t find a mentor. I already doing stuff with rpm packages  and maintaining an unofficial repository at my site. (<a href="http://depo.tarakbumba.com">depo.tarakbumba.com</a>) So, no one wants mentor to me?<br>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi. I&#39;m afraid i won&#39;t find a mentor. I already doing stuff with rpm packages  and maintaining an unofficial repository at my site. (<a href="http://depo.tarakbumba.com">depo.tarakbumba.com</a>) So, no one wants mentor to me?<br>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/14 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+Le jeudi 14 mars 2013 12:57:44 atilla ontas a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi. I&#39;m afraid i won&#39;t find a mentor. I already doing stuff with rpm<br>
+&gt; packages  and maintaining an unofficial repository at my site. (<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://depo.tarakbumba.com" target="_blank">depo.tarakbumba.com</a>) So, no one wants mentor to me?<br>
+</div>Hello,<br>
+<br>
+what you can do is to open a bugreport with one spec file so we will be able to<br>
+review it inside. I can take a look.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thank you for quick reply. I didn&#39;t notice at wkik that a bug report should be filed. Should i file bugreport for a package request? If so i have already one; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9222">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9222</a><br>
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Though i did not paste .spec file there. Adding to that report ASAP.<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/14 Nicolas Lécureuil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr" target="_blank">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+Le jeudi 14 mars 2013 12:57:44 atilla ontas a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi. I&#39;m afraid i won&#39;t find a mentor. I already doing stuff with rpm<br>
+&gt; packages  and maintaining an unofficial repository at my site. (<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://depo.tarakbumba.com" target="_blank">depo.tarakbumba.com</a>) So, no one wants mentor to me?<br>
+</div>Hello,<br>
+<br>
+what you can do is to open a bugreport with one spec file so we will be able to<br>
+review it inside. I can take a look.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thank you for quick reply. I didn&#39;t notice at wkik that a bug report should be filed. Should i file bugreport for a package request? If so i have already one; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9222">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9222</a><br>
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Though i did not paste .spec file there. Adding to that report ASAP.<br></div></div>
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+<p><br>
+Le 15 mars 2013 17:03, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Friday 15. March 2013 15.26, Anne Nicolas wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; So here is a review of these bugs:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao3phYOTRNeQdEEtSjBSSWkxTmdIcmJZcGtfYjN1NVE&amp;usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao3phYOTRNeQdEEtSjBSSWkxTmdIcmJZcGtfYjN1NVE&amp;usp=sharing</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Really!?<br>
+&gt; So now we need to register at Google in order to help develop Mageia?<br>
+&gt; (I&#39;m asked to login in order to see it)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What&#39;s wrong with the wiki, a html file or a plain old text file?</p>
+<p>What is wrong with asking things a bit less rude? Always Nice to sera people so fast in such kind of answer.<br>
+When proposer during meeting (vert few people attending indeed) nobody mentionned it.</p>
+<p>Managing arrays in wiki is a hell but i Will do it tonight<br></p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+&gt; PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</p>
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+Le 15 mars 2013 17:03, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Friday 15. March 2013 15.26, Anne Nicolas wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; So here is a review of these bugs:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao3phYOTRNeQdEEtSjBSSWkxTmdIcmJZcGtfYjN1NVE&amp;usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao3phYOTRNeQdEEtSjBSSWkxTmdIcmJZcGtfYjN1NVE&amp;usp=sharing</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Really!?<br>
+&gt; So now we need to register at Google in order to help develop Mageia?<br>
+&gt; (I&#39;m asked to login in order to see it)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What&#39;s wrong with the wiki, a html file or a plain old text file?</p>
+<p>What is wrong with asking things a bit less rude? Always Nice to sera people so fast in such kind of answer.<br>
+When proposer during meeting (vert few people attending indeed) nobody mentionned it.</p>
+<p>Managing arrays in wiki is a hell but i Will do it tonight<br></p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+&gt; PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</p>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 16 March 2013 03:25, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anne.nicolas@hupstream.com" target="_blank">anne.nicolas@hupstream.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+We are in the last run for Mageia 3 final release. We have postponed the final release and added a beta 4 to give us some more time. The problem is we *still* have 59 bugs in list... We *must* all focus on it. Fixing bugs is for sure less fun than testing new versions and developing new functionnalities. But we are also working for Mageia users and we want to deliver a new version and make everybody happy with it.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+So here is a review of these bugs:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao3phYOTRNeQdEEtSjBSSWkxTmdIcmJZcGtfYjN1NVE&amp;usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<u></u>spreadsheet/ccc?key=<u></u>0Ao3phYOTRNeQdEEtSjBSSWkxTmdIc<u></u>mJZcGtfYjN1NVE&amp;usp=sharing</a><br>
+
+
+<br>
+See the comments for each of them. We need help on testing, debugging and fixing bugs. Everybody can help. Please add your name if you want to help on one of them. Do not hesitate to ask any question here or on irc.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br><br>Good email, I agree, we have quite a few bugs in the installer at 
+present.   I am not an expert at fixing installer bugs, but can help 
+with testing and reporting them. Installer bugs I think are pretty 
+critical to the release, as a lot of these are not something that can be
+ fixed later.<br><br>Glen<br><br>PS: Is <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks</a> the best place to look on how to debug installer issues?<br>
+</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 16 March 2013 03:25, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:anne.nicolas@hupstream.com" target="_blank">anne.nicolas@hupstream.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+We are in the last run for Mageia 3 final release. We have postponed the final release and added a beta 4 to give us some more time. The problem is we *still* have 59 bugs in list... We *must* all focus on it. Fixing bugs is for sure less fun than testing new versions and developing new functionnalities. But we are also working for Mageia users and we want to deliver a new version and make everybody happy with it.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+So here is a review of these bugs:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao3phYOTRNeQdEEtSjBSSWkxTmdIcmJZcGtfYjN1NVE&amp;usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<u></u>spreadsheet/ccc?key=<u></u>0Ao3phYOTRNeQdEEtSjBSSWkxTmdIc<u></u>mJZcGtfYjN1NVE&amp;usp=sharing</a><br>
+
+
+<br>
+See the comments for each of them. We need help on testing, debugging and fixing bugs. Everybody can help. Please add your name if you want to help on one of them. Do not hesitate to ask any question here or on irc.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br><br>Good email, I agree, we have quite a few bugs in the installer at 
+present.   I am not an expert at fixing installer bugs, but can help 
+with testing and reporting them. Installer bugs I think are pretty 
+critical to the release, as a lot of these are not something that can be
+ fixed later.<br><br>Glen<br><br>PS: Is <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks</a> the best place to look on how to debug installer issues?<br>
+</div></div>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body >Yes i am on it<br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : [Mageia-dev] Owncloud 5.0.0 <br> <br><br>Hi folks,<br><br>is there any plans to have owncloud 5.0.0 in mageia 3? It's not only a<br>bugfix release but I think it's a must-have :)<br><br>thanks<br>-- <br>Sandro Cazzaniga<br>Jabber: kharec@jabber.fr<br>Twitter: @Kharec<br><br></body>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body >Yes i am on it<br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : Mageia development mailing-list &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : [Mageia-dev] Owncloud 5.0.0 <br> <br><br>Hi folks,<br><br>is there any plans to have owncloud 5.0.0 in mageia 3? It's not only a<br>bugfix release but I think it's a must-have :)<br><br>thanks<br>-- <br>Sandro Cazzaniga<br>Jabber: kharec@jabber.fr<br>Twitter: @Kharec<br><br></body>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all, </div><div>I&#39;m packaging opencascade but <span lang="en"><span>I found a</span> <span>problem with the license.<br><br><a href="http://www.opencascade.org/getocc/license/" target="_blank">http://www.opencascade.org/getocc/license/</a></span></span></div>
+<div><span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div><div><span lang="en"><span lang="en">After reading the license, I do not see anything special. </span>They name it as LGPL like.<span><br>
+<br></span></span></div><span lang="en"><span>They say LGPL like, but except debian, I see </span></span><span lang="en"><span>most distributions </span></span><br>
+<span lang="en"><span>have</span> </span><span lang="en"><span lang="en"><span>OpenCascade</span></span> <span>in</span> <span>the</span> <span>community repos.<br>
+<br><a href="http://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=opencascade" target="_blank">http://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=opencascade</a><br><br>If I put in the spec file Licence : LGPL like, rpmlint complains  Then I put GPLv2+ but I think I was wrong.</span></span><div>
+<span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div><div><span lang="en"><span>What do I put in the license field?<br></span></span><div><span lang="en"><span>Can</span> <span>I</span> <span>package</span> <span>OpenCascade for official mageia repos</span><span>?</span></span><br>
+
+</div><div><span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div><div style><span lang="en"><span>Thanks</span></span></div><div style><span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div><div style><span lang="en"><span>Cheers</span></span></div>
+<div><span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all, </div><div>I&#39;m packaging opencascade but <span lang="en"><span>I found a</span> <span>problem with the license.<br><br><a href="http://www.opencascade.org/getocc/license/" target="_blank">http://www.opencascade.org/getocc/license/</a></span></span></div>
+<div><span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div><div><span lang="en"><span lang="en">After reading the license, I do not see anything special. </span>They name it as LGPL like.<span><br>
+<br></span></span></div><span lang="en"><span>They say LGPL like, but except debian, I see </span></span><span lang="en"><span>most distributions </span></span><br>
+<span lang="en"><span>have</span> </span><span lang="en"><span lang="en"><span>OpenCascade</span></span> <span>in</span> <span>the</span> <span>community repos.<br>
+<br><a href="http://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=opencascade" target="_blank">http://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=opencascade</a><br><br>If I put in the spec file Licence : LGPL like, rpmlint complains  Then I put GPLv2+ but I think I was wrong.</span></span><div>
+<span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div><div><span lang="en"><span>What do I put in the license field?<br></span></span><div><span lang="en"><span>Can</span> <span>I</span> <span>package</span> <span>OpenCascade for official mageia repos</span><span>?</span></span><br>
+
+</div><div><span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div><div style><span lang="en"><span>Thanks</span></span></div><div style><span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div><div style><span lang="en"><span>Cheers</span></span></div>
+<div><span lang="en"><span><br></span></span></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Ok, modified<br><br></div>Thanks a lot<br><br></div>Cheers<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/20 Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wednesday 20. March 2013 10.10, Gonzalo Igartua wrote:<br>
+&gt; They say LGPL like<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; If I put in the spec file Licence : LGPL like, rpmlint complains  Then I<br>
+&gt; put GPLv2+ but I think I was wrong.<br>
+<br>
+</div>GPL is not LGPL. Don&#39;t confuse the two.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; What do I put in the license field?<br>
+<br>
+</div>According to the policy[1] you should use LGPL-like, note the dash in there.<br>
+<br>
+[1] <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Licensing_policy#Similar_licenses" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Licensing_policy#Similar_licenses</a><br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Ok, modified<br><br></div>Thanks a lot<br><br></div>Cheers<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/20 Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wednesday 20. March 2013 10.10, Gonzalo Igartua wrote:<br>
+&gt; They say LGPL like<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; If I put in the spec file Licence : LGPL like, rpmlint complains  Then I<br>
+&gt; put GPLv2+ but I think I was wrong.<br>
+<br>
+</div>GPL is not LGPL. Don&#39;t confuse the two.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; What do I put in the license field?<br>
+<br>
+</div>According to the policy[1] you should use LGPL-like, note the dash in there.<br>
+<br>
+[1] <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Licensing_policy#Similar_licenses" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Licensing_policy#Similar_licenses</a><br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/22/2013 07:20 AM, Glen Ogilvie
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAGmz6ygmRz8iEaoKqKDddVmMB5JST_2X7row8Zqmi8DFnxsY6A@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      I've been trying to test the installer change below before RC4,
+      thinking that it might be quite helpful.<br>
+      <br>
+      I am having a little bit of trouble however.&nbsp; Could someone point
+      me in the right direction on a couple<br>
+      of things.<br>
+      <br>
+      1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get
+      created?&nbsp;&nbsp; I assume it comes from a<br>
+      build of svn://<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+        href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk"
+        target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>, but
+      can't find how it ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I'm maybe about two days ahead of you on this, but here's what I
+    think happens, FWIW.&nbsp; You do your checkout, and then in the
+    mdk-stage1 subdirectory, do a "make dist-svn".&nbsp; This should produce
+    the tar.xz in the mdk-stage1 directory.<br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAGmz6ygmRz8iEaoKqKDddVmMB5JST_2X7row8Zqmi8DFnxsY6A@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <br>
+      2. When I've built a new stage2, any tricks on getting it into an
+      ISO?<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    The tar.xz you built above becomes one of the SOURCES for the
+    drakx-installer-binaries package.&nbsp; If you bring that package down to
+    your rpm/SRPMS directory and do an "rpm -ivh" on it, you'll find a
+    tar.xz file for mdk-stage1 in rpm/SOURCES.&nbsp; You can either replace
+    this with the one you generated above, or I think there is a
+    --(keyword) that will tell rpm to look somewhere else (your svn
+    directory) for SOURCES.<br>
+    <br>
+    Then rebuild drakx-installer-binaries with the new tar.xz.<br>
+    <br>
+    Finally, download the SRPM for drakx-installer-images, and build
+    *it* using the new drakx-installer-binaries.&nbsp; The final binary rpm
+    will include all of the stuff (like boot.iso) that goes in the
+    install directories of the cauldron tree.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/22/2013 07:20 AM, Glen Ogilvie
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAGmz6ygmRz8iEaoKqKDddVmMB5JST_2X7row8Zqmi8DFnxsY6A@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      I've been trying to test the installer change below before RC4,
+      thinking that it might be quite helpful.<br>
+      <br>
+      I am having a little bit of trouble however.&nbsp; Could someone point
+      me in the right direction on a couple<br>
+      of things.<br>
+      <br>
+      1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get
+      created?&nbsp;&nbsp; I assume it comes from a<br>
+      build of svn://<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+        href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk"
+        target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>, but
+      can't find how it ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I'm maybe about two days ahead of you on this, but here's what I
+    think happens, FWIW.&nbsp; You do your checkout, and then in the
+    mdk-stage1 subdirectory, do a "make dist-svn".&nbsp; This should produce
+    the tar.xz in the mdk-stage1 directory.<br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAGmz6ygmRz8iEaoKqKDddVmMB5JST_2X7row8Zqmi8DFnxsY6A@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <br>
+      2. When I've built a new stage2, any tricks on getting it into an
+      ISO?<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    The tar.xz you built above becomes one of the SOURCES for the
+    drakx-installer-binaries package.&nbsp; If you bring that package down to
+    your rpm/SRPMS directory and do an "rpm -ivh" on it, you'll find a
+    tar.xz file for mdk-stage1 in rpm/SOURCES.&nbsp; You can either replace
+    this with the one you generated above, or I think there is a
+    --(keyword) that will tell rpm to look somewhere else (your svn
+    directory) for SOURCES.<br>
+    <br>
+    Then rebuild drakx-installer-binaries with the new tar.xz.<br>
+    <br>
+    Finally, download the SRPM for drakx-installer-images, and build
+    *it* using the new drakx-installer-binaries.&nbsp; The final binary rpm
+    will include all of the stuff (like boot.iso) that goes in the
+    install directories of the cauldron tree.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/22 FundaWang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name" target="_blank">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Could somebody push qgis 1.8.0 into cauldron? It should be uploaded in the period of alpha testing<br>
+with other gis software. Currently we have qgis 1.7.4 which cannot be built against current toolchain.<br>
+<br>
+Regards.                                          </blockquote></div><br>done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/22 FundaWang <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@fundawang.name" target="_blank">fundawang@fundawang.name</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Could somebody push qgis 1.8.0 into cauldron? It should be uploaded in the period of alpha testing<br>
+with other gis software. Currently we have qgis 1.7.4 which cannot be built against current toolchain.<br>
+<br>
+Regards.                                          </blockquote></div><br>done<br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 22 Mar 2013 22:21, &quot;Glen Ogilvie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 23 March 2013 05:12, AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Op vrijdag 22 maart 2013 07:38:56 schreef Frank Griffin:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; On 03/22/2013 07:20 AM, Glen Ogilvie wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; created?   I assume it comes from a<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk">http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>&gt;, but can&#39;t find how it<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#39;m maybe about two days ahead of you on this, but here&#39;s what I think<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; happens, FWIW.  You do your checkout, and then in the mdk-stage1<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; subdirectory, do a &quot;make dist-svn&quot;.  This should produce the tar.xz in<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; the mdk-stage1 directory.<br>
+&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;make dist&quot; actually...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; it will target make &quot;dist-svn&quot; or &quot;make dist-git&quot; depending on if you&#39;re using<br>
+&gt;&gt; git-svn or not.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; be advised that dist-svn uses the BASE and any uncommitted change will not be<br>
+&gt;&gt; applied.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; dist-git however, you can commit without pushing them and that will be used.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve had a good play around with make dist.<br>
+&gt; It seems to me, like running make dist in the perl-install directory, (svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/</a> )<br>
+&gt; does not produce the same tar.xz file as found within drakx-installer-stage2 sources.<br>
+&gt; For example, the tar.gz produced by &quot;make dist&quot; does not contain the &quot;kernel&quot;, &quot;perl-install/install&quot; directories, etc.<br>
+&gt; Also, inside the tar, the first directory is: &quot;drakxtools-15.29&quot;, rather than &quot;drakx-installer-stage2-15.29&quot;.  It is also<br>
+&gt; only 2.4MB instead of about 4.3MB.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Any suggestions?</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Yes, you need to go into install subdirectory (if I remember the name correctly)<br>
+</p>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 22 Mar 2013 22:21, &quot;Glen Ogilvie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 23 March 2013 05:12, AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Op vrijdag 22 maart 2013 07:38:56 schreef Frank Griffin:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; On 03/22/2013 07:20 AM, Glen Ogilvie wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; created?   I assume it comes from a<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk">http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>&gt;, but can&#39;t find how it<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#39;m maybe about two days ahead of you on this, but here&#39;s what I think<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; happens, FWIW.  You do your checkout, and then in the mdk-stage1<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; subdirectory, do a &quot;make dist-svn&quot;.  This should produce the tar.xz in<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; the mdk-stage1 directory.<br>
+&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;make dist&quot; actually...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; it will target make &quot;dist-svn&quot; or &quot;make dist-git&quot; depending on if you&#39;re using<br>
+&gt;&gt; git-svn or not.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; be advised that dist-svn uses the BASE and any uncommitted change will not be<br>
+&gt;&gt; applied.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; dist-git however, you can commit without pushing them and that will be used.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve had a good play around with make dist.<br>
+&gt; It seems to me, like running make dist in the perl-install directory, (svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/</a> )<br>
+&gt; does not produce the same tar.xz file as found within drakx-installer-stage2 sources.<br>
+&gt; For example, the tar.gz produced by &quot;make dist&quot; does not contain the &quot;kernel&quot;, &quot;perl-install/install&quot; directories, etc.<br>
+&gt; Also, inside the tar, the first directory is: &quot;drakxtools-15.29&quot;, rather than &quot;drakx-installer-stage2-15.29&quot;.  It is also<br>
+&gt; only 2.4MB instead of about 4.3MB.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Any suggestions?</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Yes, you need to go into install subdirectory (if I remember the name correctly)<br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/22 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in drakx-installer-binaries<br>
+it revert the breakage that prevent loading some modules (such<br>
+as usb), thus dead stage1<br>
+<br>
+When it&#39;s available, please rebuild drakx-installer-images with it<br>
+(both in core/release &amp; nonfree/release)<br>
+<br>
+thx<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div>done</div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/22 Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in drakx-installer-binaries<br>
+it revert the breakage that prevent loading some modules (such<br>
+as usb), thus dead stage1<br>
+<br>
+When it&#39;s available, please rebuild drakx-installer-images with it<br>
+(both in core/release &amp; nonfree/release)<br>
+<br>
+thx<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div>done</div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Dear Team Mageia,<br>
+I seriously wanted to love your OS, but I was not even able to connect 
+to the internet via wifi.  I&#39;m not green--I&#39;ve been using computers for 
+30 years and building them for about 15 of those years.  I have 
+installed about every OS known to man, but much as I wanted to LOVE 
+Mageia, it just DOESN&#39;T WORK WITH MY WIFI ADAPTER.  After several hours 
+of chat logs and discussions, I decided that it wasn&#39;t worth it.  There 
+are other OS&#39;s.  I am running a Dell with an Intel i3 and  I have to say
+ that every single OS loads fine and recognizes my wifi adapter with no 
+hassle at all. Mageia is different.  It just doesn&#39;t work.  There is so 
+much I have to do to get it to recognize my Intel adapter--it&#39;s crazy 
+and far beyond what any rational person would go through to get their 
+computer connected to the Internet.  I seriously hope that this is fixed
+ because I really look forward to using Mageia.  It looks great, but 
+without the ability to get online, it&#39;s useless to me.<br>
+<br>
+Thank you,<br>
+Jason Kaiser<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Dear Team Mageia,<br>
+I seriously wanted to love your OS, but I was not even able to connect 
+to the internet via wifi.  I&#39;m not green--I&#39;ve been using computers for 
+30 years and building them for about 15 of those years.  I have 
+installed about every OS known to man, but much as I wanted to LOVE 
+Mageia, it just DOESN&#39;T WORK WITH MY WIFI ADAPTER.  After several hours 
+of chat logs and discussions, I decided that it wasn&#39;t worth it.  There 
+are other OS&#39;s.  I am running a Dell with an Intel i3 and  I have to say
+ that every single OS loads fine and recognizes my wifi adapter with no 
+hassle at all. Mageia is different.  It just doesn&#39;t work.  There is so 
+much I have to do to get it to recognize my Intel adapter--it&#39;s crazy 
+and far beyond what any rational person would go through to get their 
+computer connected to the Internet.  I seriously hope that this is fixed
+ because I really look forward to using Mageia.  It looks great, but 
+without the ability to get online, it&#39;s useless to me.<br>
+<br>
+Thank you,<br>
+Jason Kaiser<br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 05:12, AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Op vrijdag 22 maart 2013 07:38:56 schreef Frank Griffin:<br>
+&gt; On 03/22/2013 07:20 AM, Glen Ogilvie wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt; &gt; 1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get<br>
+&gt; &gt; created?   I assume it comes from a<br>
+&gt; &gt; build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>&gt;, but can&#39;t find how it<br>
+&gt; &gt; ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m maybe about two days ahead of you on this, but here&#39;s what I think<br>
+&gt; happens, FWIW.  You do your checkout, and then in the mdk-stage1<br>
+&gt; subdirectory, do a &quot;make dist-svn&quot;.  This should produce the tar.xz in<br>
+&gt; the mdk-stage1 directory.<br>
+[...]<br>
+<br>
+&quot;make dist&quot; actually...<br>
+<br>
+it will target make &quot;dist-svn&quot; or &quot;make dist-git&quot; depending on if you&#39;re using<br>
+git-svn or not.<br>
+<br>
+be advised that dist-svn uses the BASE and any uncommitted change will not be<br>
+applied.<br>
+<br>
+dist-git however, you can commit without pushing them and that will be used.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;ve had a good play around with make dist.<br>It seems to me, like running make dist in the perl-install directory, (svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/</a> )<br>
+does not produce the same tar.xz file as found within drakx-installer-stage2 sources.<br>For example, the tar.gz produced by &quot;make dist&quot; does not contain the &quot;kernel&quot;, &quot;perl-install/install&quot; directories, etc.<br>
+Also, inside the tar, the first directory is: &quot;drakxtools-15.29&quot;, rather than &quot;drakx-installer-stage2-15.29&quot;.  It is also<br>only 2.4MB instead of about 4.3MB.<br><br>Any suggestions?<br><br>Regards<br>
+Glen<br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 05:12, AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Op vrijdag 22 maart 2013 07:38:56 schreef Frank Griffin:<br>
+&gt; On 03/22/2013 07:20 AM, Glen Ogilvie wrote:<br>
+[...]<br>
+&gt; &gt; 1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get<br>
+&gt; &gt; created?   I assume it comes from a<br>
+&gt; &gt; build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>&gt;, but can&#39;t find how it<br>
+&gt; &gt; ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m maybe about two days ahead of you on this, but here&#39;s what I think<br>
+&gt; happens, FWIW.  You do your checkout, and then in the mdk-stage1<br>
+&gt; subdirectory, do a &quot;make dist-svn&quot;.  This should produce the tar.xz in<br>
+&gt; the mdk-stage1 directory.<br>
+[...]<br>
+<br>
+&quot;make dist&quot; actually...<br>
+<br>
+it will target make &quot;dist-svn&quot; or &quot;make dist-git&quot; depending on if you&#39;re using<br>
+git-svn or not.<br>
+<br>
+be advised that dist-svn uses the BASE and any uncommitted change will not be<br>
+applied.<br>
+<br>
+dist-git however, you can commit without pushing them and that will be used.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>I&#39;ve had a good play around with make dist.<br>It seems to me, like running make dist in the perl-install directory, (svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/</a> )<br>
+does not produce the same tar.xz file as found within drakx-installer-stage2 sources.<br>For example, the tar.gz produced by &quot;make dist&quot; does not contain the &quot;kernel&quot;, &quot;perl-install/install&quot; directories, etc.<br>
+Also, inside the tar, the first directory is: &quot;drakxtools-15.29&quot;, rather than &quot;drakx-installer-stage2-15.29&quot;.  It is also<br>only 2.4MB instead of about 4.3MB.<br><br>Any suggestions?<br><br>Regards<br>
+Glen<br></div></div>
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+Hi,<br><br>I&#39;ve been trying to test the installer change below before RC4, thinking that it might be quite helpful.<br><br>I am having a little bit of trouble however.  Could someone point me in the right direction on a couple<br>
+
+of things.<br><br>1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get created?   I assume it comes from a<br>build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>, but can&#39;t find how it ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+
+<br>2. When I&#39;ve built a new stage2, any tricks on getting it into an ISO?<br><br>I tried building an ISO based on beta3, with the new stage2, using something like:<br>  mkisofs -o ~nelg/Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD/Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD-stage2.iso -b x86_64/isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot.catalog  -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -iso-level 4 -J -R /tmp/tt/<br>
+
+<br>This is clearly not right.  Is the a documented method I should use to build a new ISO with a modified stage2? <br>In the docs I have read: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#rebuild_the_stage_2" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#rebuild_the_stage_2</a><br>
+
+and svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/docs/README" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/docs/README</a>, I have not been able to find instructions on actually putting together an ISO.<br>
+<br>Is: <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/How_to_remaster_a_personal_Mandriva-based_ISO" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/How_to_remaster_a_personal_Mandriva-based_ISO</a>  relevant for Mageia?  I guess not, as mkcd does not seem to exist in Mageia.<br>
+<br>So, a quick howto, or pointing me to the right documentation would be great :)<br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br><br>
+<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 March 2013 12:15, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in drakxtools &amp; drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+<br>
+drakxtools:<br>
+========<br>
+- bootloader-config:<br>
+  o do not build initrd if no bootloader is detected and<br>
+    --no-initd argument is supplied<br>
+- diskdrake:<br>
+  o actually preserve UUID when formatting (mga#9428)<br>
+- drakauth:<br>
+  o install nss-pam-ldapd instead of nss_ldap (mga#9375)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+================<br>
+- do not disable module autoloading (mga#9428)<br>
+- authentication:<br>
+  o install nss-pam-ldapd instead of nss_ldap (mga#9375)<br>
+- partitionning:<br>
+  o actually preserve UUID when formatting (mga#9428)<br>
+<br>
+thx<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I&#39;ve been trying to test the installer change below before RC4, thinking that it might be quite helpful.<br><br>I am having a little bit of trouble however.  Could someone point me in the right direction on a couple<br>
+
+of things.<br><br>1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get created?   I assume it comes from a<br>build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>, but can&#39;t find how it ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+
+<br>2. When I&#39;ve built a new stage2, any tricks on getting it into an ISO?<br><br>I tried building an ISO based on beta3, with the new stage2, using something like:<br>  mkisofs -o ~nelg/Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD/Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD-stage2.iso -b x86_64/isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot.catalog  -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -iso-level 4 -J -R /tmp/tt/<br>
+
+<br>This is clearly not right.  Is the a documented method I should use to build a new ISO with a modified stage2? <br>In the docs I have read: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#rebuild_the_stage_2" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#rebuild_the_stage_2</a><br>
+
+and svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/docs/README" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/docs/README</a>, I have not been able to find instructions on actually putting together an ISO.<br>
+<br>Is: <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/How_to_remaster_a_personal_Mandriva-based_ISO" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/How_to_remaster_a_personal_Mandriva-based_ISO</a>  relevant for Mageia?  I guess not, as mkcd does not seem to exist in Mageia.<br>
+<br>So, a quick howto, or pointing me to the right documentation would be great :)<br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br><br>
+<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 March 2013 12:15, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi<br>
+<br>
+Please let in drakxtools &amp; drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+<br>
+drakxtools:<br>
+========<br>
+- bootloader-config:<br>
+  o do not build initrd if no bootloader is detected and<br>
+    --no-initd argument is supplied<br>
+- diskdrake:<br>
+  o actually preserve UUID when formatting (mga#9428)<br>
+- drakauth:<br>
+  o install nss-pam-ldapd instead of nss_ldap (mga#9375)<br>
+<br>
+drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+================<br>
+- do not disable module autoloading (mga#9428)<br>
+- authentication:<br>
+  o install nss-pam-ldapd instead of nss_ldap (mga#9375)<br>
+- partitionning:<br>
+  o actually preserve UUID when formatting (mga#9428)<br>
+<br>
+thx<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 07:37, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 22 March 2013 12:20, Glen Ogilvie &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve been trying to test the installer change below before RC4, thinking<br>
+&gt; that it might be quite helpful.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am having a little bit of trouble however.  Could someone point me in the<br>
+&gt; right direction on a couple<br>
+&gt; of things.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get created?   I<br>
+&gt; assume it comes from a<br>
+&gt; build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>, but can&#39;t find how it<br>
+&gt; ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2. When I&#39;ve built a new stage2, any tricks on getting it into an ISO?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I tried building an ISO based on beta3, with the new stage2, using something<br>
+&gt; like:<br>
+&gt;   mkisofs -o<br>
+&gt; ~nelg/Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD/Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD-stage2.iso -b<br>
+&gt; x86_64/isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot.catalog  -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size<br>
+&gt; 4 -iso-level 4 -J -R /tmp/tt/<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is clearly not right.  Is the a documented method I should use to build<br>
+&gt; a new ISO with a modified stage2?<br>
+&gt; In the docs I have read:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#rebuild_the_stage_2" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#rebuild_the_stage_2</a><br>
+&gt; and svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/docs/README" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/docs/README</a>, I have not been<br>
+&gt; able to find instructions on actually putting together an ISO.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/How_to_remaster_a_personal_Mandriva-based_ISO" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/How_to_remaster_a_personal_Mandriva-based_ISO</a><br>
+&gt; relevant for Mageia?  I guess not, as mkcd does not seem to exist in Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So, a quick howto, or pointing me to the right documentation would be great<br>
+&gt; :)<br>
+<br>
+stage2 != ISO<br>
+<br>
+ISO is basically the stage1.<br>
+stage1 is build by drakx-installer-images from:<br>
+- some packages listed as BR, mainly the kernel drivers &amp; firmwares<br>
+- drakx-installer-binaries that provide the actual stage1 binary<br>
+<br>
+=&gt; generates what is copied in isolinux/alt0 &amp; in install/images/<br>
+(*.img + *.iso)<br>
+<br>
+stage2 is build by drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+<br>
+=&gt; generates what is in install/stage2: mdkinst.sqfs (a squashfs image)<br>
+there&#39;s also rescue.sqfs there that is an alternate stage2 used when<br>
+using the rescue.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+stage1 is basically a special initrd that loads the appropriate<br>
+modules according to detected<br>
+hardware and to what is specified on command line (eg: the DVD tells<br>
+it to directly load<br>
+stage2 from the DVD image).<br>
+if not instructed to do sg, it displays the text menu asking from<br>
+where to install (dvd, hard disk,<br>
+network: http/ftp/nfs).<br>
+It&#39;s a small statically linked program + init + a dhcp client +<br>
+rescue-gui for the rescue menu<br>
+<br>
+it then loads stage2 (install/stage2/mdkinst.sqf or rescue.sqfs) from the URL<br>
+<br>
+stage2 is real system, with dynamic libraries, that starts:<br>
+- an X11 server (if supported and if not asked for text mode)<br>
+- udev<br>
+and then go the install steps (language, license, partitionning,<br>
+installing, summary, updates, ...)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hi Thierry,<br><br>I appreciate you taking time to reply and let me know these details. It confirms<br>my understanding.  What I would like to know is how to create / master the DVD<br>installer ISO, and make that  master contain a stage2 that I have built.<br>
+<br>I have been able to build a stage1 boot.iso, but what I would like is build a<br>DVD image, based on Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, with just a different<br> stage2, and maybe a rebuilt stage1 if needed.<br><br>I guess someone must know how Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, and the<br>
+other images get created.  I don&#39;t want to rebuild all the packages that go in<br>them, just assemble one with the same packages as<br>Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, and a updated install/stage2/mdkinst.sqf file.<br><br>
+Once this is figured out, I will happly update the Mageia wiki with details, which<br>I think will be helpful for anyone wanting to make customised Mageia DVDs.<br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 07:37, Thierry Vignaud <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 22 March 2013 12:20, Glen Ogilvie &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve been trying to test the installer change below before RC4, thinking<br>
+&gt; that it might be quite helpful.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am having a little bit of trouble however.  Could someone point me in the<br>
+&gt; right direction on a couple<br>
+&gt; of things.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get created?   I<br>
+&gt; assume it comes from a<br>
+&gt; build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>, but can&#39;t find how it<br>
+&gt; ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2. When I&#39;ve built a new stage2, any tricks on getting it into an ISO?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I tried building an ISO based on beta3, with the new stage2, using something<br>
+&gt; like:<br>
+&gt;   mkisofs -o<br>
+&gt; ~nelg/Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD/Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD-stage2.iso -b<br>
+&gt; x86_64/isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot.catalog  -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size<br>
+&gt; 4 -iso-level 4 -J -R /tmp/tt/<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is clearly not right.  Is the a documented method I should use to build<br>
+&gt; a new ISO with a modified stage2?<br>
+&gt; In the docs I have read:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#rebuild_the_stage_2" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks#rebuild_the_stage_2</a><br>
+&gt; and svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/docs/README" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/docs/README</a>, I have not been<br>
+&gt; able to find instructions on actually putting together an ISO.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/How_to_remaster_a_personal_Mandriva-based_ISO" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/How_to_remaster_a_personal_Mandriva-based_ISO</a><br>
+&gt; relevant for Mageia?  I guess not, as mkcd does not seem to exist in Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So, a quick howto, or pointing me to the right documentation would be great<br>
+&gt; :)<br>
+<br>
+stage2 != ISO<br>
+<br>
+ISO is basically the stage1.<br>
+stage1 is build by drakx-installer-images from:<br>
+- some packages listed as BR, mainly the kernel drivers &amp; firmwares<br>
+- drakx-installer-binaries that provide the actual stage1 binary<br>
+<br>
+=&gt; generates what is copied in isolinux/alt0 &amp; in install/images/<br>
+(*.img + *.iso)<br>
+<br>
+stage2 is build by drakx-installer-stage2<br>
+<br>
+=&gt; generates what is in install/stage2: mdkinst.sqfs (a squashfs image)<br>
+there&#39;s also rescue.sqfs there that is an alternate stage2 used when<br>
+using the rescue.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+stage1 is basically a special initrd that loads the appropriate<br>
+modules according to detected<br>
+hardware and to what is specified on command line (eg: the DVD tells<br>
+it to directly load<br>
+stage2 from the DVD image).<br>
+if not instructed to do sg, it displays the text menu asking from<br>
+where to install (dvd, hard disk,<br>
+network: http/ftp/nfs).<br>
+It&#39;s a small statically linked program + init + a dhcp client +<br>
+rescue-gui for the rescue menu<br>
+<br>
+it then loads stage2 (install/stage2/mdkinst.sqf or rescue.sqfs) from the URL<br>
+<br>
+stage2 is real system, with dynamic libraries, that starts:<br>
+- an X11 server (if supported and if not asked for text mode)<br>
+- udev<br>
+and then go the install steps (language, license, partitionning,<br>
+installing, summary, updates, ...)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Hi Thierry,<br><br>I appreciate you taking time to reply and let me know these details. It confirms<br>my understanding.  What I would like to know is how to create / master the DVD<br>installer ISO, and make that  master contain a stage2 that I have built.<br>
+<br>I have been able to build a stage1 boot.iso, but what I would like is build a<br>DVD image, based on Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, with just a different<br> stage2, and maybe a rebuilt stage1 if needed.<br><br>I guess someone must know how Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, and the<br>
+other images get created.  I don&#39;t want to rebuild all the packages that go in<br>them, just assemble one with the same packages as<br>Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, and a updated install/stage2/mdkinst.sqf file.<br><br>
+Once this is figured out, I will happly update the Mageia wiki with details, which<br>I think will be helpful for anyone wanting to make customised Mageia DVDs.<br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br>
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+Hi Colin,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 01:11, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Glen Ogilvie at 22/03/13 11:20 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt; 2. When I&#39;ve built a new stage2, any tricks on getting it into an ISO?<br>
+<br>
+I tend to have a urpmi-proxy setup and configure it to not check for<br>
+updated stage2 (which is the default IIRC). I then just build the stage2<br>
+image and copy it to the urpmi-proxy.<br>
+<br>
+Then with a simply boot.iso, I point the http install to my server with<br>
+urpmi-proxy installed and it download *my* stage2.<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s how I generally test my modifications and seems quicker than<br>
+building ISOs etc.<br></blockquote><div><br>Thank you, that will work, and I will try that later on today. <br><br>I would still like to be able to build a complete iso (not just a boot.iso, but one that contains stage2, packages, etc).<br>
+I&#39;ve been able to build a stage1 boot.iso.<br><br>Glen<br></div></div>
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+Hi Colin,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 01:11, Colin Guthrie <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@colin.guthr.ie" target="_blank">mageia@colin.guthr.ie</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&#39;Twas brillig, and Glen Ogilvie at 22/03/13 11:20 did gyre and gimble:<br>
+&gt; 2. When I&#39;ve built a new stage2, any tricks on getting it into an ISO?<br>
+<br>
+I tend to have a urpmi-proxy setup and configure it to not check for<br>
+updated stage2 (which is the default IIRC). I then just build the stage2<br>
+image and copy it to the urpmi-proxy.<br>
+<br>
+Then with a simply boot.iso, I point the http install to my server with<br>
+urpmi-proxy installed and it download *my* stage2.<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s how I generally test my modifications and seems quicker than<br>
+building ISOs etc.<br></blockquote><div><br>Thank you, that will work, and I will try that later on today. <br><br>I would still like to be able to build a complete iso (not just a boot.iso, but one that contains stage2, packages, etc).<br>
+I&#39;ve been able to build a stage1 boot.iso.<br><br>Glen<br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 11:57, Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 22 Mar 2013 22:21, &quot;Glen Ogilvie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz" target="_blank">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 23 March 2013 05:12, AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Op vrijdag 22 maart 2013 07:38:56 schreef Frank Griffin:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; On 03/22/2013 07:20 AM, Glen Ogilvie wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; created?   I assume it comes from a<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>&gt;, but can&#39;t find how it<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#39;m maybe about two days ahead of you on this, but here&#39;s what I think<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; happens, FWIW.  You do your checkout, and then in the mdk-stage1<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; subdirectory, do a &quot;make dist-svn&quot;.  This should produce the tar.xz in<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; the mdk-stage1 directory.<br>
+&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;make dist&quot; actually...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; it will target make &quot;dist-svn&quot; or &quot;make dist-git&quot; depending on if you&#39;re using<br>
+&gt;&gt; git-svn or not.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; be advised that dist-svn uses the BASE and any uncommitted change will not be<br>
+&gt;&gt; applied.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; dist-git however, you can commit without pushing them and that will be used.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve had a good play around with make dist.<br>
+&gt; It seems to me, like running make dist in the perl-install directory, (svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/</a> )<br>
+&gt; does not produce the same tar.xz file as found within drakx-installer-stage2 sources.<br>
+&gt; For example, the tar.gz produced by &quot;make dist&quot; does not contain the &quot;kernel&quot;, &quot;perl-install/install&quot; directories, etc.<br>
+&gt; Also, inside the tar, the first directory is: &quot;drakxtools-15.29&quot;, rather than &quot;drakx-installer-stage2-15.29&quot;.  It is also<br>
+&gt; only 2.4MB instead of about 4.3MB.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Any suggestions?</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Yes, you need to go into install subdirectory (if I remember the name correctly)<br>
+</p>
+</blockquote></div>Ah, great.  Thank you.. That does the trick. :)<br><br>Would anyone mind if update <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks</a>, and then update the URL in the spec file of drakx-installer-stage2 to point to it, along with a comment on how to create the source tar.xz<br>
+Current URL in the spec is: <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/Tools/DrakX">http://wiki.mandriva.com/Tools/DrakX</a>  (which just goes to Mandriva&#39;s main wiki page)<br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2013 11:57, Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 22 Mar 2013 22:21, &quot;Glen Ogilvie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz" target="_blank">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 23 March 2013 05:12, AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Op vrijdag 22 maart 2013 07:38:56 schreef Frank Griffin:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; On 03/22/2013 07:20 AM, Glen Ogilvie wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 1. How does the src tar.xz file for drakx-installer-stage2 get<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; created?   I assume it comes from a<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; build of svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk" target="_blank">http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk</a>&gt;, but can&#39;t find how it<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; ends up as a tar.xz<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; I&#39;m maybe about two days ahead of you on this, but here&#39;s what I think<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; happens, FWIW.  You do your checkout, and then in the mdk-stage1<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; subdirectory, do a &quot;make dist-svn&quot;.  This should produce the tar.xz in<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; the mdk-stage1 directory.<br>
+&gt;&gt; [...]<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &quot;make dist&quot; actually...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; it will target make &quot;dist-svn&quot; or &quot;make dist-git&quot; depending on if you&#39;re using<br>
+&gt;&gt; git-svn or not.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; be advised that dist-svn uses the BASE and any uncommitted change will not be<br>
+&gt;&gt; applied.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; dist-git however, you can commit without pushing them and that will be used.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve had a good play around with make dist.<br>
+&gt; It seems to me, like running make dist in the perl-install directory, (svn://<a href="http://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/" target="_blank">svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/drakx/trunk/</a> )<br>
+&gt; does not produce the same tar.xz file as found within drakx-installer-stage2 sources.<br>
+&gt; For example, the tar.gz produced by &quot;make dist&quot; does not contain the &quot;kernel&quot;, &quot;perl-install/install&quot; directories, etc.<br>
+&gt; Also, inside the tar, the first directory is: &quot;drakxtools-15.29&quot;, rather than &quot;drakx-installer-stage2-15.29&quot;.  It is also<br>
+&gt; only 2.4MB instead of about 4.3MB.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Any suggestions?</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Yes, you need to go into install subdirectory (if I remember the name correctly)<br>
+</p>
+</blockquote></div>Ah, great.  Thank you.. That does the trick. :)<br><br>Would anyone mind if update <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks</a>, and then update the URL in the spec file of drakx-installer-stage2 to point to it, along with a comment on how to create the source tar.xz<br>
+Current URL in the spec is: <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/Tools/DrakX">http://wiki.mandriva.com/Tools/DrakX</a>  (which just goes to Mandriva&#39;s main wiki page)<br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br>
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+/* Copyright(c) 1986 Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy Inc.
+ */
+
+#include <stdio.h>
+#include <ctype.h>
+#include <signal.h>
+#include <errno.h>
+#include <sys/types.h>
+#include <dirent.h>
+#include "xpp.h"
+
+#define	NOKNET
+#define	import_kernel
+#define	import_knames
+#include <iraf.h>
+
+#if defined(LINUX) || defined(BSD)
+# ifdef SOLARIS
+#  undef SOLARIS
+# endif
+#endif
+
+/*
+ * XC -- Main entry point of the XC compiler front-end used by the IRAF
+ * system.
+ */
+
+#define VERSION		"IRAFNET XC V2.4 Jan 21 2010"
+
+#define	ERR		(-1)
+#define	EOS		'\0'
+#define	YES		1
+#define	NO		0
+#define	MAXFLAG		64			/* maximum option flags */
+#define MAXFILE		1024			/* maximum files on cmdline */
+#define	SZ_CMDBUF	4096			/* maximum command buffer */
+#define	SZ_BUFFER	4096			/* library names, flags */
+#define	SZ_LIBBUF	4096			/* full library names */
+#define	SZ_FNAME	255
+#define	SZ_PATHNAME	511
+#define	SZ_PKGENV	256
+#define DEF_PKGENV	"iraf"
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+#define	CCOMP		"cc"			/* C compiler (also .s etc.) */
+#define	LINKER		"cc"			/* Linking utility */
+#else
+#define	CCOMP		"gcc"			/* C compiler (also .s etc.) */
+#define	LINKER		"gcc"			/* Linking utility */
+#endif
+#define	F77COMP		"f77"			/* Fortran compiler */
+#define	DEBUGFLAG	'g'			/* host flag for -x */
+#define	USEF2C		1			/* use Fortran to C trans. */
+
+#define	LIBCINCLUDES	"hlib$libc/"		/* IRAF LIBC include dir */
+#define	LOCALBINDIR	"/usr/local/bin/"	/* standard local BIN */
+#define	SYSBINDIR	"/usr/bin/"		/* special system BIN */
+
+#define	XPP		"xpp.e"
+#define	RPP		"rpp.e"
+#define	EDSYM		"edsym.e"
+#define	SHIMAGE		"S.e"
+#define LIBMAIN		"libmain.o"
+#define SHARELIB	"libshare.a"
+#define IRAFLIB1	"libex.a"
+#define IRAFLIB2	"libsys.a"
+#define IRAFLIB3	"libvops.a"
+#define IRAFLIB4	"libos.a"
+#define IRAFLIB5	"libVO.a"
+#ifndef HOST_CFITSIO
+#define IRAFLIB6	"libcfitsio.a"
+#else
+#define IRAFLIB6	"-lcfitsio"
+#endif
+
+#ifdef LINUX
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+#ifndef LINUXPPC
+#ifndef LINUX64
+		    "",				/*  3  -lcompat */
+#endif
+#else
+		    "-lg2c",			/*  3  */
+#endif
+		    "-lpthread",		/*  4  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+#ifdef BSD
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+		    "-lcompat",			/*  3  */
+		    "",				/*  4  */
+		    "",				/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+#ifdef MACOSX
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+		    "",				/*  3  */
+		    "",				/*  4  */
+		    "",				/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O3",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+/* As of Dec2007 there remains an unexplained optimizer bug in
+** the system which has the effect of disabling FPE handling on
+** Mac Intel/PPC systems.  For the moment, we'll disable the optimization
+** until this is better understood or fixed in future GCC versions.
+*/
+int  nopt_flags	   = 0;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+		    "-lsocket",			/*  3  */
+		    "-lnsl",			/*  4  */
+		    "-lintl",			/*  5  */
+		    "-ldl",			/*  6  */
+		    "-lelf",			/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+#ifdef CYGWIN
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+		    "-lcompat",			/*  3  */
+		    "",				/*  4  */
+		    "",				/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lU77",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lm",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lF77",			/*  2  */
+		    "-lI77",			/*  3  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  4  */
+		    "",				/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+
+#ifdef BSD
+#define	F_STATIC	"-static"
+#define	F_SHARED	"-shared"
+#else
+#ifdef MACOSX
+#define	F_STATIC	"-static"
+#define	F_SHARED	"-shared"
+#else
+#ifdef LINUX
+#define	F_STATIC	"-Wl,-Bstatic"
+#define	F_SHARED	"-Wl,-Bdynamic"
+#else
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+#define	F_STATIC	"-Wl,-Bstatic"
+#define	F_SHARED	"-Wl,-Bdynamic"
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+
+#define isxfile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'x')
+#define isffile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'f')
+#define iscfile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'c')
+#define issfile(str)	(getextn(str) == 's')
+#define isefile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'e')
+#define isafile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'a')
+#define isofile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'o')
+#define ispfile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'P')	/* func prototypes	*/
+
+
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+#ifdef X86
+int	usesharelib = NO;
+int	noedsym = YES;
+#else
+int	usesharelib = YES;
+int	noedsym = NO;
+#endif
+
+#else
+#ifdef SHLIB
+int	usesharelib = YES;
+int	noedsym = NO;
+#else
+int	usesharelib = NO;
+int	noedsym = YES;
+#endif
+#endif
+
+int	stripexe 	= NO;
+int	notvsym 	= NO;
+int	noshsym 	= NO;
+int	errflag 	= NO;
+int	objflags 	= NO;
+int	keepfort 	= NO;
+int	mkobject 	= YES;
+int	mktask 		= YES;
+int	optimize 	= YES;
+int	cflagseen 	= NO;
+int	nfileargs 	= 0;
+int	link_static 	= NO;
+int	link_nfs 	= NO;
+int	debug 		= NO;
+int	dbgout 		= NO;
+int	hostprog 	= NO;
+int	voslibs 	= YES;
+int	nolibc 		= NO;
+int	usef2c 		= YES;
+int	useg95 		= NO;
+int	userincs	= NO;
+#ifdef LINUXPPC
+int	useg2c 		= YES;
+#else
+int	useg2c 		= NO;
+#endif
+int	host_c_main 	= NO;
+
+char	ccomp[SZ_FNAME] 	= CCOMP;
+char	f77comp[SZ_FNAME] 	= F77COMP;
+char	linker[SZ_FNAME] 	= LINKER;
+char	f2cpath[SZ_FNAME] 	= "/usr/bin/f2c";
+char	g77path[SZ_FNAME] 	= "/usr/bin/g77";
+
+char	outfile[SZ_FNAME] = "";
+char	tempfile[SZ_FNAME] = "";
+char	*lflags[MAXFLAG+1];
+char	*lfiles[MAXFILE+1];			/* all files		*/
+char	*hlibs[MAXFILE+1];			/* host libraries	*/
+char	*lxfiles[MAXFILE+1];			/* .x files		*/
+char	*lffiles[MAXFILE+1];			/* .f files		*/
+char	buffer[SZ_BUFFER+1];
+char	libbuf[SZ_LIBBUF+1];
+char	*bp = buffer;
+char	*libp = libbuf;
+char	*pkgenv = NULL;
+char	*pkglibs = NULL;
+char	v_pkgenv[SZ_PKGENV+1];
+int	nflags, nfiles, nhlibs, nxfiles, nffiles;
+int	sig_int, sig_quit, sig_hup, sig_term;
+char	*shellname = "/bin/sh";
+int	foreigndefs = NO;
+char	*foreign_defsfile = "";
+char	*irafarch = "";				/* IRAFARCH string */
+char	floatoption[32] = "";			/* f77 arch flag, if any */
+int	pid;
+
+char	*vfn2osfn();
+char	*os_getenv();
+char	*findexe();
+char	*iraflib();
+
+
+/* MAIN -- Execution begins here.  Interpret command line arguments and
+ * pass commands to UNIX to execute the various passes, i.e.:
+ *
+ *	xpp		SPP to modified-ratfor
+ *	rpp		modified-ratfor to Fortran
+ *	f77		UNIX fortran compiler
+ *	cc		compile other sources, link if desired
+ *
+ * The Fortran source is left behind if the -F flag is given.  The IRAF root
+ * directory must either be given on the command line as "-r pathname" or in
+ * the environment as the variable "irafdir".
+ */
+main (argc, argv)
+int	argc;
+char	*argv[];
+{
+	int	i, j, interrupt(), nargs, ncomp;
+	char	*arglist[MAXFILE+MAXFLAG+10];
+	char	*arg, *ip, *s, *mkfname();
+	int	status, noperands;
+
+	/* Initialization. */
+	ZZSTRT();
+	isv13();
+
+#if defined(LINUX) || defined(BSD) || defined(X86) || defined(MACOSX)
+	if (os_sysfile ("f77.sh", f77comp, SZ_FNAME) < 0) {
+	    strcpy (f77comp, "f77");
+	    usef2c = 0;
+	} else
+	    usef2c = 1;
+	if (os_sysfile ("f2c.e", tempfile, SZ_FNAME) > 0)
+	    strcpy (f2cpath, tempfile);
+#else
+	strcpy (f77comp, "f77");
+#endif
+
+	nflags = nfiles = nhlibs = nxfiles = nffiles = 0;
+
+	sig_int  = (int) signal (SIGINT,  SIG_IGN) & 01;
+	sig_quit = (int) signal (SIGQUIT, SIG_IGN) & 01;
+	sig_hup  = (int) signal (SIGHUP,  SIG_IGN) & 01;
+	sig_term = (int) signal (SIGTERM, SIG_IGN) & 01;
+
+	enbint ((SIGFUNC)interrupt);
+	pid = getpid();
+
+	/* Load any XC related environment definitions.
+	 */
+	if ((s = os_getenv ("XC-CC")) || (s = os_getenv ("XC_CC")))
+	    strcpy (ccomp, s);
+	if ((s = os_getenv ("XC-F77")) || (s = os_getenv ("XC_F77"))) {
+	    strcpy (f77comp, s);
+	    usef2c = (strncmp (f77comp, "f77", 3) == 0 ? 1 : 0);
+	    useg95 = (strncmp (f77comp, "g95", 3) == 0 ? 1 : 0);
+	}
+	if ((s = os_getenv ("XC-LINKER")) || (s = os_getenv ("XC_LINKER")))
+	    strcpy (linker, s);
+
+
+
+        /* Always load the default IRAF package environment. */
+	loadpkgenv (DEF_PKGENV);
+
+	/* Count the number of file arguments.  Load the environment for
+	 * any packages named on the command line.
+	 */
+	pkgenv = NULL;
+	v_pkgenv[0] = EOS;
+	for (i=1, nfileargs=0;  argv[i] != NULL;  i++)
+	    if (argv[i][0] != '-')
+		nfileargs++;
+	    else if (strcmp (argv[i], "-p") == 0 && argv[i+1]) {
+		loadpkgenv (argv[++i]);
+		strcat (v_pkgenv, v_pkgenv[0] ? " -p " : "-p ");
+		strcat (v_pkgenv, argv[i]);
+		pkgenv = v_pkgenv;
+	    }
+
+	/* If no package environment was specified see if the user has
+	 * specified a default package in their user environment.
+	 */
+	if (!pkgenv) {
+	    char *s, u_pkgenv[SZ_PKGENV+1];
+	    char *pkgname, *ip;
+
+	    if (s = os_getenv ("PKGENV")) {
+		strcpy (ip = u_pkgenv, s);
+		while (*ip) {
+		    while (isspace(*ip))
+			ip++;
+		    pkgname = ip;
+		    while (*ip && !isspace(*ip))
+			ip++;
+		    if (*ip)
+			*ip++ = EOS;
+
+		    if (pkgname[0]) {
+			loadpkgenv (pkgname);
+			strcat (v_pkgenv, v_pkgenv[0] ? " -p " : "-p ");
+			strcat (v_pkgenv, pkgname);
+			pkgenv = v_pkgenv;
+		    }
+		}
+	    }
+	}
+
+	/* Process command line options, make file lists.
+	 * Convert ".x" files to ".f".
+	 */
+	for (i=1;  (arg = argv[i]) != NULL;  i++) {
+	    if (arg[0] == '-') {
+		switch (arg[1]) {
+                case '/':
+                    /* Pass flag on without further interpretation.
+                     *     "-/foo"    ->  "-foo"
+                     *     "-//foo"   ->  "foo"
+                     */
+                    lflags[nflags] = bp;
+                    ip = &arg[2];
+                    if (*ip == '/')
+                        ip++;
+                    else
+                        *bp++ = '-';
+
+                    while (*bp++ = *ip++)
+                        ;
+
+                    if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+                        fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+                    break;
+
+		case 'D':
+		    /* Pass a -D<define> flag on to the host compiler.
+		     */
+		    lflags[nflags] = bp;
+		    for (ip = &arg[0];  (*bp++ = *ip++);  )
+			;
+		    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+			fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+		    if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+			fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+		    break;
+
+		case 'I':
+		    /* Pass a -I<include-dir> flag on to the host compiler.
+		     * A special case is "-Inolibc" which disables automatic
+		     * inclusion of the IRAF LIBC includes (hlib$libc).
+		     */
+		    if (strcmp (&arg[2], "nolibc") == 0)
+			nolibc++;
+		    else {
+			lflags[nflags] = bp;
+			*bp++ = arg[0];
+			*bp++ = arg[1];
+			strcpy (bp, vfn2osfn (&arg[2], 0));
+			bp += strlen (bp) + 1;
+
+			if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+			    fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+			if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+			    fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+		    }
+		    break;
+
+		case 'l':
+		case 'L':
+		    /* Library file (-llib) or library directory (-Ldir)
+		     * reference.
+		     */
+		    if ((lfiles[nfiles] = iraflib (arg)) == NULL) {
+			hlibs[nhlibs] = arg;
+		        nhlibs++;
+		    } else
+			nfiles++;
+		    if (nfiles > MAXFILE || nhlibs > MAXFILE)
+			fatal ("Too many files");
+
+		    objflags = YES;
+		    mkobject = YES;
+		    mktask = YES;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'o':
+		    /* Set output file name.
+		     */
+		    if ((arg = argv[++i]) == NULL)
+			i--;
+		    else
+			strcpy (outfile, arg);
+		    mkobject = YES;
+		    mktask = YES;
+		    objflags = YES;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'p':
+		    /* Ignore since the -p args were already processed above.
+		     */
+		    i++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'r':
+		    /* Not used anymore */
+		    if ((arg = argv[++i]) == EOS)
+			i--;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'h':
+		    /* Host program: do not link in IRAF main or search
+		     * standard IRAF libraries unless explicitly referenced
+		     * on command line.
+		     */
+		    voslibs = 0;
+		    /* fall through */
+
+		case 'H':
+		    /* Link a host program, but include the VOS libraries.
+		     */
+		    hostprog++;
+		    noedsym++;
+		    nolibc++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'G':
+		    /* Force a program to link w/ libg2c.a instead of libf2c.a
+		     */
+		    useg2c++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'A':
+		    /* Force arch-specific include files.
+		     */
+		    userincs++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'C':
+		    /* Link a host program which has a C main.  We may need
+		     * to tweak the command line as a special case here since
+		     * we normally assume Fortran sources.  This is currently
+		     * only needed for host C programs under LinuxPPC.
+		     */
+		    host_c_main++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'V':
+		    /* Print XC version identification.
+		     */
+		    fprintf (stderr, "%s\n", VERSION);
+		    fflush (stderr);
+		    break;
+
+		default:
+		    if (strcmp (&arg[1], "Nh") == 0) {
+			if ((arg = argv[++i]) == EOS)
+			    i--;
+			else {
+			    foreigndefs++;
+			    foreign_defsfile = arg;
+			    continue;
+			}
+		    }
+
+		    lflags[nflags] = bp;
+		    *bp++ = '-';
+
+		    /* Process list of flags without arguments, e.g. "-xyz"
+		     * which is the same as "-x -y -z".
+		     */
+		    for (ip = &arg[1];  *ip != EOS;  ip++)
+			if (*ip == 'c') {
+			    mkobject = YES;
+			    mktask = NO;
+			    objflags = YES;
+			    cflagseen = YES;
+
+			} else if (*ip == 'd') {
+			    debug++;
+			} else if (*ip == 'q') {
+			    optimize = NO;
+			} else if (*ip == 'O') {
+			    optimize = YES;
+
+			} else if (*ip == 'F' || *ip == 'f') {
+			    keepfort = YES;
+			    if (objflags == NO) {
+				mkobject = NO;
+				mktask = NO;
+			    }
+			} else if (*ip == 'x') {
+			    dbgout++;
+			    optimize = NO;
+			    *bp++ = DEBUGFLAG;
+			    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+				fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+			} else if (*ip == 'z') {
+			    usesharelib = NO;
+			} else if (*ip == 'e') {
+			    noedsym = YES;
+			} else if (*ip == 't') {
+			    notvsym = YES;
+			} else if (*ip == 'T') {
+			    noshsym = YES;
+			} else if (*ip == 's') {
+			    stripexe = YES;
+			    goto passflag;
+			} else if (*ip == 'N') {
+			    /* "NFS" link option.  Generate the output temp
+			     * file in /tmp during the link, then move it to
+			     * the output directory in one operation when done.
+			     * For cases such as linking in an NFS-mounted
+			     * directory, where all the NFS i/o may slow the
+			     * link down excessively.
+			     */
+			    link_nfs = YES;
+			} else {
+passflag:		    mkobject = YES;
+			    if (!cflagseen)
+				mktask = YES;
+			    *bp++ = *ip;
+			    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+				fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+		        }
+
+		    if (bp - lflags[nflags] <= 1) {
+			lflags[nflags] = NULL;
+			bp--;
+		    } else {
+			*bp++ = EOS;
+			if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+			    fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+		    }
+		}
+
+	    } else {
+		char	*ip, *op, *last_dot;
+
+		/* Get default name for output executable file, if not given
+		 * as arg.  The default extension is ".e".
+		 */
+		if (outfile[0] == EOS) {
+		    last_dot = NULL;
+		    for (ip=arg, op=outfile;  (*op = *ip++) != EOS;  op++)
+			if (*op == '.')
+			    last_dot = op;
+		    if (last_dot != NULL)
+			*last_dot = EOS;
+		    strcat (outfile, ".e");
+		}
+
+		/* Munge filename if file is a library. */
+		if (isafile(arg) && (s = iraflib(arg)))
+		    arg = s;
+
+		if (access (arg,0) == -1) {
+		    fprintf (stderr, "Warning: file `%s' not found\n", arg);
+		    fflush (stderr);
+		} else {
+		    lfiles[nfiles++] = arg;
+		    if (nfiles > MAXFILE)
+			fatal ("Too many files");
+
+		    if (isxfile (arg)) {
+			xtof (arg);
+			if (errflag & (XPP_BADXFILE | XPP_COMPERR)) {
+			    nfiles--;
+			    errflag &= ~(XPP_BADXFILE | XPP_COMPERR);
+			}
+		    } else if (isffile (arg)) {
+			lffiles[nffiles++] = arg;
+			if (nffiles > MAXFILE)
+			    fatal ("too many files");
+		    } else if (isefile (arg))
+			fatal ("no .e files permitted in file list");
+		}
+	    }
+	}
+	
+	if (!mkobject) {
+	    if (debug) {
+		fprintf (stderr, "quit, fortran only\n");
+		fflush (stderr);
+	    }
+	    ZZSTOP();
+	    exit (errflag);
+	}
+
+	/* Add -I<include-dir> to lflags for each directory in the pkglibs
+	 * package library list.  pkglibs is a comma delimited list of VFN
+	 * directory names formed by loading the core system and layered
+	 * package environments.
+	 */
+	if (pkglibs = os_getenv ("pkglibs")) {
+	    char *ip, *op, *vp, fname[SZ_FNAME];
+
+	    for (ip=pkglibs;  *ip;  ) {
+		while (*ip && isspace(*ip) || *ip == ',')
+		    ip++;
+		for (op=fname;  *ip && !(isspace (*ip) || *ip == ',');  )
+		    *op++ = *ip++;
+		*op++ = EOS;
+		if (*fname == EOS)
+		    break;
+
+		/* Omit the LIBC includes if -Inolibc was specified. */
+		if (! (nolibc && strcmp (fname, LIBCINCLUDES) == 0)) {
+		    lflags[nflags] = bp;
+		    *bp++ = '-';
+		    *bp++ = 'I';
+		    for (vp=vfn2osfn(fname,0);  *bp++ = *vp++;  )
+			;
+		    if (*(bp-2) == '/') {
+			--bp;
+			*(bp-1) = EOS;
+		    }
+
+		    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+			fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+		    if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+			fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+		}
+
+		while (*ip && (isspace(*ip) || *ip == ','))
+		    ip++;
+	    }
+	}
+
+	/* Now check for any alternative compiler definitions or commandline
+	 * flags which will affect out link line.  Some systems like LinuxPPC
+	 * will require use of -lg2c even though we can continue to use the
+	 * hlib$f77.sh the fortran compiler script on that system.
+	 */
+	if (useg2c || strncmp (f77comp, "g77", 3) == 0) {
+	    fortlib[0] = fortlib[1] = "-lg2c";
+	}
+
+
+#ifdef sun
+	/* Determine if any special architecture dependent compilation flags
+	 * are needed.  For the Sun V1.3 compiler, since FLOAT_OPTION is no
+	 * longer supported, we look for IRAFARCH and generate the -f68881
+	 * or -ffpa compiler switches automatically if we are compiling on a
+	 * Sun-3 and no -/f* has already been specified on the command line.
+	 */
+	if (!floatoption[0] && (irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH")))
+	    if (irafarch[0] == 'f')
+		sprintf (floatoption, "-%s", irafarch);
+#endif
+	/* Compile all F77 source files with F77 to produce object code.
+	 * This compilation is separate from that used for the '.x' files,
+	 * because we do not want to use the UNIX "-u" flag (requires that
+	 * everything be declared) for raw Fortran files.
+	 */
+	nargs = 0;
+	arglist[nargs++] = f77comp;
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-c";
+	if (usef2c == YES) {
+	    arglist[nargs++] = "-f2c";
+	    arglist[nargs++] = f2cpath;
+	}
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+	if (useg95 == 0) {
+	    if ((irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH"))) {
+	        if (strcmp (irafarch, "macosx") == 0) {
+	            arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "ppc";
+	            arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "i386";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4";
+	        } else if (strcmp (irafarch, "macintel") == 0) {
+	            arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "x86_64";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-m64";
+		}
+	    }
+	}
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+#if (defined(BSD))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef LINUXAOUT
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-b";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "i486-linuxaout";
+#endif
+#ifdef sun
+	if (floatoption[0])
+	    arglist[nargs++] = floatoption;
+#endif
+        if (optimize) {
+	    for (i=0;  i < nopt_flags;  i++)
+	        arglist[nargs++] = opt_flags[i];
+	}
+
+	/* Add the user-defined flags last so they can override the 
+	 * hardwired options.
+	 */
+	if ((s = os_getenv("XC-FFLAGS")) || (s = os_getenv("XC_FFLAGS")))
+	    addflags (s, arglist, &nargs);
+
+	for (i=0;  i < nflags;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lflags[i];
+	
+	for (i=0;  i < nffiles;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lffiles[i];
+	arglist[nargs] = NULL;
+
+	if (i > 0) {
+	    if (debug)
+		printargs (f77comp, arglist, nargs);
+	    status = run (f77comp, arglist);
+#ifdef LINUX
+	/* This kludge is to work around a bug in the F2C based F77 script
+	 * on Linux, which returns an exit status of 4 when successfully
+	 * compiling a Fortran file.
+	 */
+	if (status == 4)
+	    status = 0;
+#endif
+	    errflag += status;
+	}
+
+
+	/* Compile the remaining Fortran source files with F77 to produce
+	 * object code.
+	 */
+	nargs = 0;
+	arglist[nargs++] = f77comp;
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-c";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-u";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-x";
+	if (usef2c == YES) {
+	    arglist[nargs++] = "-f2c";
+	    arglist[nargs++] = f2cpath;
+	}
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+	if (useg95 == 0) {
+	    if ((irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH"))) {
+                if (strcmp (irafarch, "macosx") == 0) {
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "ppc";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "i386";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4";
+                } else if (strcmp (irafarch, "macintel") == 0) {
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "x86_64";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-m64";
+                }
+
+	    }
+	}
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+#if (defined(BSD))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef LINUXAOUT
+        arglist[nargs++] = "-b";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "i486-linuxaout";
+#endif
+#ifdef sun
+	if (floatoption[0])
+	    arglist[nargs++] = floatoption;
+#endif
+        if (optimize) {
+	    for (i=0;  i < nopt_flags;  i++)
+	       arglist[nargs++] = opt_flags[i];
+	}
+
+	/* Add the user-defined flags last so they can override the 
+	 * hardwired options.
+	 */
+	if ((s = os_getenv("XC-FFLAGS")) || (s = os_getenv("XC_FFLAGS")))
+	    addflags (s, arglist, &nargs);
+
+	for (i=0;  i < nflags;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lflags[i];
+	
+	/* Make list of files to be compiled.  Do not include F77 files,
+	 * as they were already compiled above.
+	 */
+	for (i=0, noperands=0;  i < nfiles;  i++) {
+	    for (j=0;  j < nffiles && lffiles[j] != lfiles[i];  j++)
+		;
+	    if (j >= nffiles && isffile (lfiles[i])) {
+		arglist[nargs++] = lfiles[i];
+		noperands++;
+	    }
+	}
+	arglist[nargs] = NULL;
+
+	if (noperands > 0) {
+	    if (debug)
+		printargs (f77comp, arglist, nargs);
+	    status = run (f77comp, arglist);
+#ifdef LINUX
+	    /* This kludge is to work around a bug in the F2C based F77 script
+	     * on Linux, which returns an exit status of 4 when successfully
+	     * compiling a Fortran file.
+	     */
+	    if (status == 4)
+		status = 0;
+#endif
+	    errflag += status;
+	}
+
+
+	/* Compile the remaining non-Fortran source files with CC to produce
+	 * object code.
+	 */
+	nargs = 0;
+	arglist[nargs++] = ccomp;
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-c";
+
+#ifdef MACH64
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DMACH64";		/* needed for zmain.c */
+#endif
+#ifdef LINUX64
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DLINUX64";		/* needed for zmain.c */
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+#ifdef LINUX
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DLINUX";
+#ifdef REDHAT
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DREDHAT";
+#endif
+#ifdef LINUXPPC
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DLINUXPPC";
+#endif
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DPOSIX";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DSYSV";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef BSD
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DBSD";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DMACOSX";
+	if (useg95 == 0) {
+	    if ((irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH"))) {
+                if (strcmp (irafarch, "macosx") == 0) {
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "ppc";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "i386";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4";
+                } else if (strcmp (irafarch, "macintel") == 0) {
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "x86_64";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-m64";
+                }
+
+	    }
+	}
+#endif
+
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DSOLARIS";
+#ifdef X86
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DX86";
+#endif
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DPOSIX";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DSYSV";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef LINUXAOUT
+        arglist[nargs++] = "-b";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "i486-linuxaout";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef sun
+	if (floatoption[0])
+	    arglist[nargs++] = floatoption;
+#endif
+	if (optimize) {
+	    for (i=0;  i < nopt_flags;  i++)
+	        arglist[nargs++] = opt_flags[i];
+	}
+
+	/* Add the user-defined flags last so they can override the 
+	 * hardwired options.
+	 */
+	if ((s = os_getenv("XC-CFLAGS")) || (s = os_getenv("XC_CFLAGS")))
+	    addflags (s, arglist, &nargs);
+
+	for (i=0;  i < nflags;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lflags[i];
+	
+	/* Make list of files to be compiled.  Only C and assembler files
+	 * are included.
+	 */
+	for (i=0, noperands=0;  i < nfiles;  i++) {
+	    if (iscfile (lfiles[i]) || issfile (lfiles[i])) {
+		arglist[nargs++] = lfiles[i];
+		noperands++;
+	    }
+	}
+	arglist[nargs] = NULL;
+
+	if (noperands > 0) {
+	    if (debug)
+		printargs (ccomp, arglist, nargs);
+	    errflag += run (ccomp, arglist);
+	}
+
+
+	/* If "-c" (compile only), or there was a compiler error, do not
+	 * proceed with the link.
+	 */
+	if (!mktask || cflagseen || errflag)
+	    done (errflag);
+
+
+	/* Link the object files and libraries to produce the "-o" task.
+	 */
+	nargs = 0;
+	arglist[nargs++] = linker;
+	if ((s = os_getenv("XC-LFLAGS")) || (s = os_getenv("XC_LFLAGS")))
+	    addflags (s, arglist, &nargs);
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+	if (useg95 == 0 && (irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH"))) {
+            if (strcmp (irafarch, "macosx") == 0) {
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "ppc";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "i386";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	    	arglist[nargs++] = "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4";
+            } else if (strcmp (irafarch, "macintel") == 0) {
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "x86_64";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-m64";
+            }
+	}
+#endif
+
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-Wl,-t";
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-Wl,--defsym,mem_=0";
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+#if (defined(BSD))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-L/usr/lib32";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-B/usr/lib32";
+#endif
+#ifdef NEED_GCC_SPECS
+	{   char gcc_specs[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	    static char cmd[SZ_CMDBUF];
+
+	    if (os_sysfile ("gcc-specs", gcc_specs, SZ_PATHNAME) < 0)
+		arglist[nargs++] = "/iraf/iraf/unix/bin/gcc-specs";
+	    sprintf (cmd, "-specs=%s", gcc_specs);
+	    arglist[nargs++] = cmd;
+	}
+#endif
+#ifdef LINUXAOUT
+        arglist[nargs++] = "-b";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "i486-linuxaout";
+#endif
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-o";
+
+	if (link_nfs) {
+	    sprintf (tempfile, "/tmp/T_%s.XXXXXX", outfile);
+#ifdef LINUX
+	    mkstemp (tempfile);
+#else
+	    mktemp (tempfile);
+#endif
+	} else
+	    sprintf (tempfile, "T_%s", outfile);
+	arglist[nargs++] = tempfile;
+
+	ncomp = 0;
+	for (i=0;  i < nfiles;  i++)
+	    if (*(ip = lfiles[i]) != '-') {
+		while (*ip++ != EOS)
+		    ;
+		while (*--ip != '.' && ip >= lfiles[i])
+		    ;
+		if (*ip == '.')
+		    switch (ip[1]) {
+		    case 'f':
+		    case 'r':
+		    case 'c':
+		    case 's':
+		    case 'e':
+			ip[1] = 'o';
+			ncomp++;
+		    }
+	    }
+
+	/* Link options. */
+	link_static = 0;
+	for (i=0;  i < nflags;  i++) {
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lflags[i];
+	    if (strcmp (lflags[i], F_STATIC) == 0)
+		link_static = 1;
+	    else if (strcmp (lflags[i], F_SHARED) == 0)
+		link_static = 0;
+	}
+
+#ifdef sun
+	/* Need to pass -f<float> to CC for the C libraries. */
+	if (floatoption[0])
+	    arglist[nargs++] = floatoption;
+
+	/* If we are using the V1.3 Sun Fortran compiler, the V1.3 "f77"
+	 * should be a symbolic link pointing to the BIN directory for the
+	 * new compiler.  Construct the path to this directory and put it
+	 * out as a -Ldir flag on the link line to ensure that the library
+	 * is searched for linking.
+	 */
+	if (isv13()) {
+	    char    libpath[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	    char    dir[SZ_PATHNAME], *path;
+	    char    *pp, *ip, *op, *s;
+	    int     n;
+
+	    path = findexe ("f77", dir);
+
+	    strcpy (libpath, "-L");
+	    strcpy (libpath+2, dir);
+	    for (op=libpath;  *op;  op++)
+		;
+	    if ((n = readlink (path, op, 128)) > 0) {
+		op[n] = EOS;
+
+		for (ip=op;  *ip;  ip++)
+		    if (*ip == '/')
+			op = ip;
+		*op = EOS;
+
+		/* Search, e.g., /usr/lang/SC0.0/ffpa first if Sun-3. */
+		if (floatoption[0]) {
+		    s = floatoption + 1;
+		    *op = '/';
+		    strcpy (op+1, s);
+		    strcpy (libp, libpath);
+		    libp += strlen (pp = libp) + 1;
+		    arglist[nargs++] = pp;
+		}
+
+		/* Search /usr/lang/SC0.0 (or whatever). */
+		*op = EOS;
+		strcpy (libp, libpath);
+		libp += strlen (pp = libp) + 1;
+		arglist[nargs++] = pp;
+	    }
+	}
+#endif
+
+	/* File to link. */
+	for (i=0;  i < nfiles;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lfiles[i];
+
+	/* Libraries to link against.
+	 */
+	if (hostprog) {
+#ifdef LINUXPPC
+	    /* LinuxPPC (YellowDog anyway) requires this library to resolve
+	     * the MAIN__ generated by the fortran program statement into
+	     * the 'main'.
+	     */
+	    if (host_c_main == 0)
+	        arglist[nargs++] = "-lfrtbegin";
+#else
+	    if (!isv13())
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (fortlib[0]);
+#endif
+	} else
+	    arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (LIBMAIN);
+
+	if (voslibs) {
+	    if (usesharelib) {
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (SHARELIB);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB4);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB5);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB6);
+	    } else {
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB1);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB2);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB3);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB4);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB5);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB6);
+	    }
+	}
+#ifdef HOST_CURL
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-lcurl";
+#endif
+#ifdef HOST_EXPAT
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-lexpat";
+#endif
+	/* Host libraries, searched after iraf libraries. */
+	for (i=0;  i < nhlibs;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = hlibs[i];
+
+	/* The remaining system libraries depend upon which version of
+	 * the SunOS compiler we are using.  The V1.3 compilers use only
+	 * -lF77 and -lm.
+	 */
+	if (isv13()) {
+	    addflags (fortlib[2], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[4], arglist, &nargs);
+	} else {
+	    addflags (fortlib[1], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[2], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[3], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[4], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[5], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[6], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[7], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[8], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[9], arglist, &nargs);
+	}
+	arglist[nargs] = NULL;
+
+	if (ncomp) {
+	    fprintf (stderr, "link:\n");
+	    fflush (stderr);
+	}
+	if (debug)
+	    printargs (linker, arglist, nargs);
+
+	/* If the link is successful, replace the old executable with the
+	 * new one.  Do not delete the bad executable if the link fails,
+	 * as we might want to examine its symbol table.
+	 */
+	if ((status = run (linker, arglist)) == 0) {
+	    unlink (outfile);
+
+	    if (link_nfs) {
+		char command[1024];
+		sprintf (command, "/bin/cp -f %s %s", tempfile, outfile);
+		if (debug)
+		    printargs (command, NULL, 0);
+		status = sys (command);
+	    } else
+		link (tempfile, outfile);
+
+	    /* Force the mode of the file. */
+	    chmod (outfile, 0755);
+
+	    unlink (tempfile);
+	}
+	errflag += status;
+
+	/* If we are linking against the iraf shared library and symbol editing
+	 * has not been disabled, edit the symbol table of the new executable
+	 * to provide symbols within the shared image.
+	 */
+	if (usesharelib && !noedsym && !stripexe) {
+	    char    shlib[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	    char    edsym[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	    char    command[SZ_CMDBUF];
+
+	    /* The os_sysfile(SHIMAGE) below assumes the existence of a file
+	     * entry "S.e" in the directory containing the real shared image
+	     * "S<n>.e".  We can't easily look directly for S<n>.e because
+	     * the process symbol table and image has to be examined to
+	     * determine the shared image version number.
+	     */
+	    if (os_sysfile (SHIMAGE, shlib, SZ_PATHNAME) > 0) {
+		if (os_sysfile (EDSYM, edsym, SZ_PATHNAME) > 0) {
+		    sprintf (command, "%s %s %s", edsym, outfile, shlib);
+		    if (noshsym)
+			strcat (command, " -T");
+		    else if (notvsym)
+			strcat (command, " -t");
+		    status = sys (command);
+		}
+	    }
+	}
+	errflag += status;
+
+	done (errflag);
+}
+
+
+/* MKFNAME -- Make the UNIX pathname of an IRAF library file.  Use os_sysfile
+ * the get the vfn of the library file, so that we do not have to know what
+ * system directory the library file is in.
+ */
+char *
+mkfname (i_fname)
+char *i_fname;
+{
+	char fname[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char *oname;
+
+	/* Library referenced as -lXXX */
+	if (strncmp (i_fname, "-l", 2) == 0) {
+	    sprintf (fname, "lib%s.a", &i_fname[2]);
+	    if (oname = iraflib (fname))
+		return (oname);
+	    else
+		return (i_fname);
+	}
+
+	/* Must be a library filename or pathname */
+	strcpy (fname, i_fname);
+	if (oname = iraflib (fname))
+	    strcpy (libp, oname);
+	else
+	    strcpy (libp, fname);
+
+	oname = libp;
+	libp += strlen (libp) + 1;
+
+	return (oname);
+}
+
+
+/* ADDFLAGS -- Add one or more flags to an argument list.  Ignore null flags,
+ * separate multiple flags on whitespace.
+ */
+addflags (flag, arglist, p_nargs)
+char *flag;
+char *arglist[];
+int *p_nargs;
+{
+	register int i, len, nargs = *p_nargs;
+	char *fp, *fs, lflag[SZ_FNAME];
+
+	if (flag && *flag) {
+
+	    for (fp = flag; *fp; ) {
+		while (*fp && isspace(*fp)) 		/* skip leading space */
+		    fp++;
+		for (i=0; *fp && !isspace(*fp); ) 	/* collect flag       */
+		    lflag[i++] = *fp++;
+		lflag[i] = '\0';
+		len = strlen (lflag);
+		strcpy ((fs = malloc(len+1)), lflag);
+
+	        if (strcmp (lflag, F_STATIC) == 0) {
+		    link_static = 1;
+	        } else if (strcmp (lflag, F_SHARED) == 0) {
+		    link_static = 0;
+#ifndef HOST_F2C
+#if defined(LINUX) || defined(BSD) || defined(X86) || defined(MACOSX)
+	        } else if ((strcmp (lflag, "-lf2c") == 0) || 
+	    	    (strcmp (lflag, "-lcompat") == 0)) {
+		        /* Use the IRAF version of libf2c.a or libcompat.a,
+		         * not the host version which may or may not be present.
+		         */
+		        arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (lflag);
+		        *p_nargs = nargs;
+		        return (1);
+#endif
+#endif
+	        }
+
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+	        else if (strcmp (lflag, "-ldl") == 0) {
+		    /* This beastie has to be linked dynamic on Solaris, but
+		     * we don't want to have to know this everywhere so we do
+		     * it automatically there.
+		     */
+		    if (link_static)
+		        arglist[nargs++] = F_SHARED;
+		    arglist[nargs++] = fs;
+		    if (link_static)
+		        arglist[nargs++] = F_STATIC;
+		    *p_nargs = nargs;
+		    return (1);
+	        }
+#endif
+	        arglist[nargs++] = fs;
+	    }
+
+	    *p_nargs = nargs;
+	    return (1);
+	}
+
+	return (0);
+}
+
+
+/* IRAFLIB -- Determine if "libname" is an IRAF library.  If so return
+ * the pathname of the library, else return NULL.
+ */
+char *
+iraflib (libref)
+char	*libref;
+{
+	register char *ip, *op;
+	char savename[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char libname[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char fname[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char path[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	int foundit, dbg = dbgout;
+	char *absname;
+
+	strcpy (savename, libref);
+
+	/* If dbgout is enabled try the debug library first, but fall back
+	 * to the normal library if thie debug library is not found.
+	 */
+again:
+	if (strncmp (libref, "-l", 2) == 0) { 
+	    sprintf (libname, "lib%s.a", libref+2);
+	    libref = libname;
+	    goto again;
+	} else
+	    strcpy (libname, libref);
+
+	/* Position IP to EOS. */
+	for (ip=libref;  *ip;  ip++)
+	    ;
+
+	if (!(*(ip-2) == '.' && *(ip-1) == 'a')) {
+	    /* Not a library file, leave it alone.
+	     */
+	    strcpy (fname, libref);
+
+	} else {
+	    /* Normalize the library file name, "libXXX[_p].a".
+	     */
+	    for (ip=libref, op=fname;  *op = *ip;  op++, ip++)
+		;
+	    if ((*(op-2) == '.' && *(op-1) == 'a')) {
+		*(op-2) = '\0';
+		op -= 2;
+	    } else
+		op -= 1;
+
+	    if (dbg && !(*(op-2) == '_' && *(op-1) == 'p')) {
+		*op++ = '_';
+		*op++ = 'p';
+	    }
+	    *op++ = '.';
+	    *op++ = 'a';
+	    *op++ = '\0';
+	}
+
+	foundit = 0;
+	if (access (fname, 0) == 0) {
+	    strcpy (path, fname);
+	    foundit++;
+	} else {
+	    if (os_sysfile (fname, path, SZ_PATHNAME) > 0)
+		foundit++;
+	}
+
+	if (foundit) {
+	    strcpy (absname=bp, vfn2osfn (path, 0));
+	    bp += strlen (absname) + 1;
+	    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+		fatal ("Out of space for library names");
+	    if (debug > 1)
+		fprintf (stderr, "iraflib: %s -> %s\n", savename, absname);
+	    return (absname);
+	} else if (dbg) {
+	    dbg = 0;
+	    goto again;
+	} else {
+	    if (debug > 1)
+		fprintf (stderr, "iraflib: %s -> %s\n", savename, savename);
+	    return (NULL);
+	}
+}
+
+
+/* PRINTARGS -- Echo a UNIX command on the standard error output.
+ */
+printargs (cmd, arglist, nargs)
+char	*cmd;
+char	*arglist[];
+int	nargs;
+{
+	int	i;
+
+	fputs (cmd, stderr);
+	for (i=1;  i < nargs;  i++)
+	    fprintf (stderr, " %s", arglist[i]);
+	putc ('\n', stderr);
+	fflush (stderr);
+}
+
+
+/* XTOF -- Convert a ".x" file into a ".f" file, i.e., call up the preprocessor
+ * to translate an SPP file into Fortran.
+ */
+xtof (file)
+char	*file;
+{
+	static  char xpp_path[SZ_PATHNAME+1], rpp_path[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char	cmdbuf[SZ_CMDBUF], fname[SZ_FNAME];
+	char    iraf_h[SZ_PATHNAME];
+
+
+	lxfiles[nxfiles++] = file;
+	if (nxfiles > MAXFILE)
+	    fatal ("too many files");
+
+	if (nfileargs > 1 || mkobject) {
+	    fprintf (stderr, "%s:\n", file);
+	    fflush (stderr);
+	}
+
+	if (!xpp_path[0])
+	    if (os_sysfile (XPP, xpp_path, SZ_PATHNAME) <= 0)
+		strcpy (xpp_path, XPP);
+
+	if (userincs) {
+	    if (pkgenv)
+	        sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s %s -A -R %s", xpp_path, pkgenv, file);
+	    else
+	        sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s -A -R %s", xpp_path, file);
+	} else {
+	    if (pkgenv)
+	        sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s %s -R %s", xpp_path, pkgenv, file);
+	    else
+	        sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s -R %s", xpp_path, file);
+	}
+
+
+	/* Include a custom 64-bit iraf.h file.
+	 */
+#if defined(LINUX64) || defined(MACH64)
+	memset (iraf_h, 0, SZ_PATHNAME);
+
+	if (os_sysfile ("iraf.h", iraf_h, SZ_PATHNAME) <= 0)
+	    strcpy (iraf_h, "iraf.h");
+	strcat (cmdbuf, " -h ");
+	strcat (cmdbuf, iraf_h);
+#else
+	if (foreigndefs) {
+	    strcat (cmdbuf, " -h ");
+	    strcat (cmdbuf, foreign_defsfile);
+	}
+#endif
+	printf("Calling '%s'\n", cmdbuf); 
+	errflag |= sys (cmdbuf);
+	chdot (file, 'r');
+
+	strcpy (fname, file);
+	chdot (fname, 'f');
+
+	if (!rpp_path[0])
+	    if (os_sysfile (RPP, rpp_path, SZ_PATHNAME) <= 0)
+		strcpy (rpp_path, RPP);
+	sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s %s%s >%s",
+	    rpp_path, dbgout ? "-g " : "", file, fname);
+	printf("Calling '%s'\n", cmdbuf); 
+	if (!(errflag & XPP_BADXFILE))
+	    errflag |= sys (cmdbuf);
+
+	/*unlink (file);			/* remove ".r" file */
+	chdot (file, 'f');		/* change name to ".f" */
+}
+
+
+/* GETEXTN -- Get a one letter extension from a file name (BPS 07.23.96)
+ */
+getextn (fname)
+char	*fname;
+{
+	register char *ip, *dot;
+        int ch;
+
+	for (ip=fname, dot=NULL;  *ip != EOS;  ip++)
+	    if (*ip == '.')
+		dot = ip;
+
+	if (dot == NULL || *(dot+2) != EOS) {
+	    ch = EOS;
+	} else {
+	    ch = *(dot+1);
+	}
+
+	return (ch);
+}
+	
+
+/* CHDOT -- Change the filename extension, i.e., the single character
+ * following the "." at the end of the filename, to the indicated character.
+ */
+chdot (fname, dotchar)
+char	*fname;
+char	dotchar;
+{
+	char	*p;
+
+	p = fname;
+	while (*p++ != EOS)
+	    ;
+	while (*--p != '.' && p >= fname)
+	    ;
+	*(p+1) = dotchar;
+}
+
+
+/* RUN -- Send a command to UNIX and return the execution status to our
+ * caller at the completion of the command.
+ */
+run (task, argv)
+char	*task;
+char	*argv[];
+{
+	int	waitpid;
+	pid_t	fork();
+	char	path[SZ_PATHNAME];
+
+	if ((waitpid = fork()) == 0) {
+	    enbint (SIG_DFL);
+
+	    execvp (task, argv);	/* use user PATH for search */
+	    strcpy (path, SYSBINDIR);
+	    strcat (path, task);
+	    execv  (path, argv);	/* look in SYSBINDIR */
+	    strcpy (path, LOCALBINDIR);
+	    strcat (path, task);
+	    execv  (path, argv);	/* look in LOCALBINDIR */
+
+	    fatalstr ("Cannot execute %s", task);
+	}
+
+	return (await (waitpid));
+}
+
+
+/*
+ * Task execution and interrupt handling routines,
+ * taken with minor modifications the F77 driver.
+ */
+
+
+/* SYS -- Execute a general UNIX command passed as a string.  The command may
+ * contain i/o redirection metacharacters.  The full path of the command to
+ * be executed should be given (and always is in the case of XC).
+ */
+sys (cmd)
+char	*cmd;
+{
+	register char *ip;
+	char	*argv[256];
+	char	*inname, *outname;
+	int	append;
+	int	waitpid;
+	int	argc;
+
+	if (debug) {
+	    fprintf (stderr, "debug: %s\n", cmd);
+	    fflush (stderr);
+	}
+
+	inname  = NULL;
+	outname = NULL;
+	append = NO;
+	argc = 0;
+
+	/* Parse command string into argv array, inname, and outname.
+	 */
+	ip = cmd;
+	while (isspace (*ip))
+	    ++ip;
+	while (*ip) {
+	    if (*ip == '<')
+		inname = ip+1;
+	    else if (*ip == '>') {
+		if (ip[1] == '>') {
+		    append = YES;
+		    outname = ip+2;
+		} else {
+		    append = NO;
+		    outname = ip+1;
+		}
+	    } else
+		argv[argc++] = ip;
+	    while ( !isspace (*ip) && *ip != '\0' )
+		++ip;
+	    if (*ip) {
+		*ip++ = '\0';
+		while (isspace (*ip))
+		    ++ip;
+	    }
+	}
+
+	if (argc <= 0)				/* no command */
+	    return (-1);
+	argv[argc] = 0;
+
+	/* Execute the command. */
+	if ((waitpid = fork()) == 0) {
+	    if (inname)
+		freopen (inname, "r", stdin);
+	    if (outname)
+		freopen (outname, (append ? "a" : "w"), stdout);
+	    enbint (SIG_DFL);
+
+	    execv (argv[0], argv);
+	    fatalstr ("Cannot execute %s", argv[0]);
+	}
+
+	return (await (waitpid));
+}
+
+
+/* DONE -- Called at process shutdown to cleanup.  Primary action is to delete
+ * the intermediate Fortran files, unless the -F flag was given on the command
+ * line.
+ */
+done (k)
+int	k;
+{
+	static	int recurs = NO;
+
+	if (recurs == NO) {
+	    recurs = YES;
+	    if (!keepfort)
+	        rmfiles();
+	}
+
+	ZZSTOP();
+	exit (k);
+}
+
+
+/* ENBINT -- Post an exception handler function to be executed if any sort
+ * of interrupt occurs.
+ */
+enbint (handler)
+SIGFUNC	handler;
+{
+	if (sig_int == 0)
+	    signal (SIGINT, handler);
+	if (sig_quit == 0)
+	    signal (SIGQUIT, handler);
+	if (sig_hup == 0)
+	    signal (SIGHUP, handler);
+	if (sig_term == 0)
+	    signal (SIGTERM, handler);
+}
+
+
+/* INTERRUPT -- Exception handler, called if an interrupt is received
+ * during compilation.
+ */
+interrupt()
+{
+	done (2);
+}
+
+
+/* AWAIT -- Wait for an asynchronous child process to terminate.
+ */
+await (waitpid)
+int	waitpid;
+{
+	int	w, status;
+	extern	interrupt();
+
+	enbint (SIG_IGN);
+	while ((w = wait (&status)) != waitpid)
+	    if (w == -1)
+		fatal ("bad wait code");
+	enbint ((SIGFUNC)interrupt);
+	if (status & 0377) {
+	    if (status != SIGINT) {
+		fprintf (stderr, "Termination code %d", status);
+		fflush (stderr);
+	    }
+	    done (2);
+	}
+	return (status>>8);
+}
+
+
+/* RMFILES -- Delete all of the ".f" intermediate Fortran files.
+ */
+rmfiles()
+{
+	int	i;
+
+	for (i=0;  i < nxfiles;  i++) {
+	    chdot (lxfiles[i], 'f');
+	    /*	    unlink (lxfiles[i]); */
+	}
+}
+
+
+/* FATALSTR -- Fatal error with an sprintf format and one string argument.
+ */
+fatalstr (s1, s2)
+char	*s1, *s2;
+{
+	char	out[SZ_CMDBUF];
+
+	sprintf (out, s1, s2);
+	fatal (out);
+}
+
+
+/* FATAL -- A fatal error has occurred.  Print error message and terminate
+ * process execution.
+ */
+fatal (s)
+char	*s;
+{
+	fprintf (stderr, "Fatal compiler error: %s\n", s);
+	fflush (stderr);
+	done (1);
+}
+
+
+/* ERROR -- Print a warning message but do not terminate the process.
+ */
+error (s)
+char	*s;
+{
+	fprintf (stderr, "Error: %s\n", s);
+	fflush (stderr);
+}
+
+
+/* ISV3 -- Test if we are using the version 3.x (or greater) Sunsoft Compilers.
+ * This returns true unless SC2.x.x is detected.
+ */
+isv3()
+{
+	static	int v3 = -1;
+	struct	dirent *dp;
+	char	dir[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	char	*name;
+	DIR	*dirp;
+
+#ifndef SOLARIS
+	return (v3 = 0);
+#else
+	char	*path;
+	char	link[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	int	n;
+
+        if (v3 != -1)
+            return (v3);
+
+        if ((path = findexe ("f77", dir))) {
+            /* Check if command is a symlink to someplace else, if so look
+             * for the string 'SC2.0' in the link path indicating this is
+             * a V2 compiler installation.  Otherwise check the path to a
+             * file for the same thing.  This assumes that V3 is true
+             * unless something is found to say otherwise.
+             */
+            if ((n = readlink (path, link, 128)) > 0) {
+                link[n] = '\0';
+                if (strstr (link, "SC2.0"))
+                    return (v3 = 0);
+            } else
+                if (strstr (dir, "SC2.0"))
+                    return (v3 = 0);
+        }
+
+        return (v3 = 1);
+#endif
+}
+
+/* ISV13 -- Test if we are using the version 1.3 Sun Fortran compiler.
+ * There is no simple, reliable way to do this.  The heuristic used is
+ * to first locate the "f77" we will use, then see if there is a file
+ * named "f77-1.3*" in the same directory.
+ */
+isv13()
+{
+	static	int v13 = -1;
+	struct	dirent *dp;
+	char	dir[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	char	*name;
+	DIR	*dirp;
+
+return (0);
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+	return (v13 = 0);
+#else
+
+	if (v13 != -1)
+	    return (v13);
+
+	if (findexe ("f77", dir) && (dirp = opendir(dir)) != NULL) {
+	    while (dp = readdir(dirp)) {
+		/* Actually, we don't want to be too picky about the
+		 * version number of this won't work for future versions,
+		 * so just match up to the version number.
+		 */
+		name = dp->d_name;
+		if (!strncmp (name, "f77-1.3", 4) && isdigit(name[4])) {
+		    closedir (dirp);
+		    return (v13 = 1);
+		}
+	    }
+	    closedir (dirp);
+	}
+
+	return (v13 = 0);
+#endif
+}
+
+
+/* FINDEXE -- Search for the named file and return the path if found, else
+ * NULL.  If "dir" is non-NULL the directory in which the file resides is
+ * returned in the string buffer pointed to.  The user's PATH is searched,
+ * followed by SYSBINDIR, then LOCALBINDIR.
+ */
+char *
+findexe (prog, dir)
+char	*prog;			/* file to search for */
+char	*dir;			/* pointer to output string buf, or NULL */
+{
+	register char *ip, *op;
+	static	char path[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	char	dirpath[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	char	*dp = dir ? dir : dirpath;
+	char	*pathp;
+
+	/* Look for the program in the directories in the user's path.
+	 */
+	ip = pathp = os_getenv ("PATH");
+	while (*ip) {
+	    for (op=dp;  *ip && (*op = *ip++) != ':';  op++)
+		;
+	    *op++ = '/';
+	    *op++ = EOS;
+	    strcpy (path, dp);
+	    strcat (path, prog);
+	    if (access (path, 0) != -1)
+		return (path);
+	}
+
+	/* Look in SYSBINDIR. */
+	strcpy (dp, SYSBINDIR);
+	strcpy (path, dp);
+	strcat (path, prog);
+
+	if (access (path, 0) != -1) {
+	    static  char envpath[8192];
+	    char    *oldpath;
+
+	    /* Add SYSBINDIR to the user's path.  This is required to
+	     * use the V1.3 compiler.  Note that this code should only be
+	     * executed once, since the next time findexe is called the
+	     * SYSBINDIR directory will be in the default path, above.
+	     */
+	    if (oldpath = pathp) {
+		sprintf (envpath, "PATH=%s:%s", SYSBINDIR, oldpath);
+		putenv (envpath);
+	    }
+
+	    return (path);
+	}
+
+	/* Look in LOCALBINDIR. */
+	strcpy (dp, LOCALBINDIR);
+	strcpy (path, dp);
+	strcat (path, prog);
+	if (access (path, 0) != -1)
+	    return (path);
+
+	/* Not found. */
+	return (NULL);
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130324/69b9e898/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130324/69b9e898/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..69af83441
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130324/69b9e898/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,1993 @@
+/* Copyright(c) 1986 Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy Inc.
+ */
+
+#include <stdio.h>
+#include <ctype.h>
+#include <signal.h>
+#include <errno.h>
+#include <sys/types.h>
+#include <dirent.h>
+#include "xpp.h"
+
+#define	NOKNET
+#define	import_kernel
+#define	import_knames
+#include <iraf.h>
+
+#if defined(LINUX) || defined(BSD)
+# ifdef SOLARIS
+#  undef SOLARIS
+# endif
+#endif
+
+/*
+ * XC -- Main entry point of the XC compiler front-end used by the IRAF
+ * system.
+ */
+
+#define VERSION		"IRAFNET XC V2.4 Jan 21 2010"
+
+#define	ERR		(-1)
+#define	EOS		'\0'
+#define	YES		1
+#define	NO		0
+#define	MAXFLAG		64			/* maximum option flags */
+#define MAXFILE		1024			/* maximum files on cmdline */
+#define	SZ_CMDBUF	4096			/* maximum command buffer */
+#define	SZ_BUFFER	4096			/* library names, flags */
+#define	SZ_LIBBUF	4096			/* full library names */
+#define	SZ_FNAME	255
+#define	SZ_PATHNAME	511
+#define	SZ_PKGENV	256
+#define DEF_PKGENV	"iraf"
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+#define	CCOMP		"cc"			/* C compiler (also .s etc.) */
+#define	LINKER		"cc"			/* Linking utility */
+#else
+#define	CCOMP		"gcc"			/* C compiler (also .s etc.) */
+#define	LINKER		"gcc"			/* Linking utility */
+#endif
+#define	F77COMP		"f77"			/* Fortran compiler */
+#define	DEBUGFLAG	'g'			/* host flag for -x */
+#define	USEF2C		1			/* use Fortran to C trans. */
+
+#define	LIBCINCLUDES	"hlib$libc/"		/* IRAF LIBC include dir */
+#define	LOCALBINDIR	"/usr/local/bin/"	/* standard local BIN */
+#define	SYSBINDIR	"/usr/bin/"		/* special system BIN */
+
+#define	XPP		"xpp.e"
+#define	RPP		"rpp.e"
+#define	EDSYM		"edsym.e"
+#define	SHIMAGE		"S.e"
+#define LIBMAIN		"libmain.o"
+#define SHARELIB	"libshare.a"
+#define IRAFLIB1	"libex.a"
+#define IRAFLIB2	"libsys.a"
+#define IRAFLIB3	"libvops.a"
+#define IRAFLIB4	"libos.a"
+#define IRAFLIB5	"libVO.a"
+#ifndef HOST_CFITSIO
+#define IRAFLIB6	"libcfitsio.a"
+#else
+#define IRAFLIB6	"-lcfitsio"
+#endif
+
+#ifdef LINUX
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+#ifndef LINUXPPC
+#ifndef LINUX64
+		    "",				/*  3  -lcompat */
+#endif
+#else
+		    "-lg2c",			/*  3  */
+#endif
+		    "-lpthread",		/*  4  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+#ifdef BSD
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+		    "-lcompat",			/*  3  */
+		    "",				/*  4  */
+		    "",				/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+#ifdef MACOSX
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+		    "",				/*  3  */
+		    "",				/*  4  */
+		    "",				/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O3",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+/* As of Dec2007 there remains an unexplained optimizer bug in
+** the system which has the effect of disabling FPE handling on
+** Mac Intel/PPC systems.  For the moment, we'll disable the optimization
+** until this is better understood or fixed in future GCC versions.
+*/
+int  nopt_flags	   = 0;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+		    "-lsocket",			/*  3  */
+		    "-lnsl",			/*  4  */
+		    "-lintl",			/*  5  */
+		    "-ldl",			/*  6  */
+		    "-lelf",			/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+#ifdef CYGWIN
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lf2c",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lf2c",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  2  */
+		    "-lcompat",			/*  3  */
+		    "",				/*  4  */
+		    "",				/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#else
+char *fortlib[] = { "-lU77",			/*  0  (host progs) */
+		    "-lm",			/*  1  */
+		    "-lF77",			/*  2  */
+		    "-lI77",			/*  3  */
+		    "-lm",			/*  4  */
+		    "",				/*  5  */
+		    "",				/*  6  */
+		    "",				/*  7  */
+		    "",				/*  8  */
+		    "",				/*  9  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+
+char *opt_flags[] = { "-O",			/*  0  */
+		    0};				/* EOF */
+int  nopt_flags	   = 1;				/* No. optimizer flags */
+
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+
+#ifdef BSD
+#define	F_STATIC	"-static"
+#define	F_SHARED	"-shared"
+#else
+#ifdef MACOSX
+#define	F_STATIC	"-static"
+#define	F_SHARED	"-shared"
+#else
+#ifdef LINUX
+#define	F_STATIC	"-Wl,-Bstatic"
+#define	F_SHARED	"-Wl,-Bdynamic"
+#else
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+#define	F_STATIC	"-Wl,-Bstatic"
+#define	F_SHARED	"-Wl,-Bdynamic"
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+#endif
+
+#define isxfile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'x')
+#define isffile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'f')
+#define iscfile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'c')
+#define issfile(str)	(getextn(str) == 's')
+#define isefile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'e')
+#define isafile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'a')
+#define isofile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'o')
+#define ispfile(str)	(getextn(str) == 'P')	/* func prototypes	*/
+
+
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+#ifdef X86
+int	usesharelib = NO;
+int	noedsym = YES;
+#else
+int	usesharelib = YES;
+int	noedsym = NO;
+#endif
+
+#else
+#ifdef SHLIB
+int	usesharelib = YES;
+int	noedsym = NO;
+#else
+int	usesharelib = NO;
+int	noedsym = YES;
+#endif
+#endif
+
+int	stripexe 	= NO;
+int	notvsym 	= NO;
+int	noshsym 	= NO;
+int	errflag 	= NO;
+int	objflags 	= NO;
+int	keepfort 	= NO;
+int	mkobject 	= YES;
+int	mktask 		= YES;
+int	optimize 	= YES;
+int	cflagseen 	= NO;
+int	nfileargs 	= 0;
+int	link_static 	= NO;
+int	link_nfs 	= NO;
+int	debug 		= NO;
+int	dbgout 		= NO;
+int	hostprog 	= NO;
+int	voslibs 	= YES;
+int	nolibc 		= NO;
+int	usef2c 		= YES;
+int	useg95 		= NO;
+int	userincs	= NO;
+#ifdef LINUXPPC
+int	useg2c 		= YES;
+#else
+int	useg2c 		= NO;
+#endif
+int	host_c_main 	= NO;
+
+char	ccomp[SZ_FNAME] 	= CCOMP;
+char	f77comp[SZ_FNAME] 	= F77COMP;
+char	linker[SZ_FNAME] 	= LINKER;
+char	f2cpath[SZ_FNAME] 	= "/usr/bin/f2c";
+char	g77path[SZ_FNAME] 	= "/usr/bin/g77";
+
+char	outfile[SZ_FNAME] = "";
+char	tempfile[SZ_FNAME] = "";
+char	*lflags[MAXFLAG+1];
+char	*lfiles[MAXFILE+1];			/* all files		*/
+char	*hlibs[MAXFILE+1];			/* host libraries	*/
+char	*lxfiles[MAXFILE+1];			/* .x files		*/
+char	*lffiles[MAXFILE+1];			/* .f files		*/
+char	buffer[SZ_BUFFER+1];
+char	libbuf[SZ_LIBBUF+1];
+char	*bp = buffer;
+char	*libp = libbuf;
+char	*pkgenv = NULL;
+char	*pkglibs = NULL;
+char	v_pkgenv[SZ_PKGENV+1];
+int	nflags, nfiles, nhlibs, nxfiles, nffiles;
+int	sig_int, sig_quit, sig_hup, sig_term;
+char	*shellname = "/bin/sh";
+int	foreigndefs = NO;
+char	*foreign_defsfile = "";
+char	*irafarch = "";				/* IRAFARCH string */
+char	floatoption[32] = "";			/* f77 arch flag, if any */
+int	pid;
+
+char	*vfn2osfn();
+char	*os_getenv();
+char	*findexe();
+char	*iraflib();
+
+
+/* MAIN -- Execution begins here.  Interpret command line arguments and
+ * pass commands to UNIX to execute the various passes, i.e.:
+ *
+ *	xpp		SPP to modified-ratfor
+ *	rpp		modified-ratfor to Fortran
+ *	f77		UNIX fortran compiler
+ *	cc		compile other sources, link if desired
+ *
+ * The Fortran source is left behind if the -F flag is given.  The IRAF root
+ * directory must either be given on the command line as "-r pathname" or in
+ * the environment as the variable "irafdir".
+ */
+main (argc, argv)
+int	argc;
+char	*argv[];
+{
+	int	i, j, interrupt(), nargs, ncomp;
+	char	*arglist[MAXFILE+MAXFLAG+10];
+	char	*arg, *ip, *s, *mkfname();
+	int	status, noperands;
+
+	/* Initialization. */
+	ZZSTRT();
+	isv13();
+
+#if defined(LINUX) || defined(BSD) || defined(X86) || defined(MACOSX)
+	if (os_sysfile ("f77.sh", f77comp, SZ_FNAME) < 0) {
+	    strcpy (f77comp, "f77");
+	    usef2c = 0;
+	} else
+	    usef2c = 1;
+	if (os_sysfile ("f2c.e", tempfile, SZ_FNAME) > 0)
+	    strcpy (f2cpath, tempfile);
+#else
+	strcpy (f77comp, "f77");
+#endif
+
+	nflags = nfiles = nhlibs = nxfiles = nffiles = 0;
+
+	sig_int  = (int) signal (SIGINT,  SIG_IGN) & 01;
+	sig_quit = (int) signal (SIGQUIT, SIG_IGN) & 01;
+	sig_hup  = (int) signal (SIGHUP,  SIG_IGN) & 01;
+	sig_term = (int) signal (SIGTERM, SIG_IGN) & 01;
+
+	enbint ((SIGFUNC)interrupt);
+	pid = getpid();
+
+	/* Load any XC related environment definitions.
+	 */
+	if ((s = os_getenv ("XC-CC")) || (s = os_getenv ("XC_CC")))
+	    strcpy (ccomp, s);
+	if ((s = os_getenv ("XC-F77")) || (s = os_getenv ("XC_F77"))) {
+	    strcpy (f77comp, s);
+	    usef2c = (strncmp (f77comp, "f77", 3) == 0 ? 1 : 0);
+	    useg95 = (strncmp (f77comp, "g95", 3) == 0 ? 1 : 0);
+	}
+	if ((s = os_getenv ("XC-LINKER")) || (s = os_getenv ("XC_LINKER")))
+	    strcpy (linker, s);
+
+
+
+        /* Always load the default IRAF package environment. */
+	loadpkgenv (DEF_PKGENV);
+
+	/* Count the number of file arguments.  Load the environment for
+	 * any packages named on the command line.
+	 */
+	pkgenv = NULL;
+	v_pkgenv[0] = EOS;
+	for (i=1, nfileargs=0;  argv[i] != NULL;  i++)
+	    if (argv[i][0] != '-')
+		nfileargs++;
+	    else if (strcmp (argv[i], "-p") == 0 && argv[i+1]) {
+		loadpkgenv (argv[++i]);
+		strcat (v_pkgenv, v_pkgenv[0] ? " -p " : "-p ");
+		strcat (v_pkgenv, argv[i]);
+		pkgenv = v_pkgenv;
+	    }
+
+	/* If no package environment was specified see if the user has
+	 * specified a default package in their user environment.
+	 */
+	if (!pkgenv) {
+	    char *s, u_pkgenv[SZ_PKGENV+1];
+	    char *pkgname, *ip;
+
+	    if (s = os_getenv ("PKGENV")) {
+		strcpy (ip = u_pkgenv, s);
+		while (*ip) {
+		    while (isspace(*ip))
+			ip++;
+		    pkgname = ip;
+		    while (*ip && !isspace(*ip))
+			ip++;
+		    if (*ip)
+			*ip++ = EOS;
+
+		    if (pkgname[0]) {
+			loadpkgenv (pkgname);
+			strcat (v_pkgenv, v_pkgenv[0] ? " -p " : "-p ");
+			strcat (v_pkgenv, pkgname);
+			pkgenv = v_pkgenv;
+		    }
+		}
+	    }
+	}
+
+	/* Process command line options, make file lists.
+	 * Convert ".x" files to ".f".
+	 */
+	for (i=1;  (arg = argv[i]) != NULL;  i++) {
+	    if (arg[0] == '-') {
+		switch (arg[1]) {
+                case '/':
+                    /* Pass flag on without further interpretation.
+                     *     "-/foo"    ->  "-foo"
+                     *     "-//foo"   ->  "foo"
+                     */
+                    lflags[nflags] = bp;
+                    ip = &arg[2];
+                    if (*ip == '/')
+                        ip++;
+                    else
+                        *bp++ = '-';
+
+                    while (*bp++ = *ip++)
+                        ;
+
+                    if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+                        fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+                    break;
+
+		case 'D':
+		    /* Pass a -D<define> flag on to the host compiler.
+		     */
+		    lflags[nflags] = bp;
+		    for (ip = &arg[0];  (*bp++ = *ip++);  )
+			;
+		    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+			fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+		    if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+			fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+		    break;
+
+		case 'I':
+		    /* Pass a -I<include-dir> flag on to the host compiler.
+		     * A special case is "-Inolibc" which disables automatic
+		     * inclusion of the IRAF LIBC includes (hlib$libc).
+		     */
+		    if (strcmp (&arg[2], "nolibc") == 0)
+			nolibc++;
+		    else {
+			lflags[nflags] = bp;
+			*bp++ = arg[0];
+			*bp++ = arg[1];
+			strcpy (bp, vfn2osfn (&arg[2], 0));
+			bp += strlen (bp) + 1;
+
+			if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+			    fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+			if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+			    fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+		    }
+		    break;
+
+		case 'l':
+		case 'L':
+		    /* Library file (-llib) or library directory (-Ldir)
+		     * reference.
+		     */
+		    if ((lfiles[nfiles] = iraflib (arg)) == NULL) {
+			hlibs[nhlibs] = arg;
+		        nhlibs++;
+		    } else
+			nfiles++;
+		    if (nfiles > MAXFILE || nhlibs > MAXFILE)
+			fatal ("Too many files");
+
+		    objflags = YES;
+		    mkobject = YES;
+		    mktask = YES;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'o':
+		    /* Set output file name.
+		     */
+		    if ((arg = argv[++i]) == NULL)
+			i--;
+		    else
+			strcpy (outfile, arg);
+		    mkobject = YES;
+		    mktask = YES;
+		    objflags = YES;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'p':
+		    /* Ignore since the -p args were already processed above.
+		     */
+		    i++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'r':
+		    /* Not used anymore */
+		    if ((arg = argv[++i]) == EOS)
+			i--;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'h':
+		    /* Host program: do not link in IRAF main or search
+		     * standard IRAF libraries unless explicitly referenced
+		     * on command line.
+		     */
+		    voslibs = 0;
+		    /* fall through */
+
+		case 'H':
+		    /* Link a host program, but include the VOS libraries.
+		     */
+		    hostprog++;
+		    noedsym++;
+		    nolibc++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'G':
+		    /* Force a program to link w/ libg2c.a instead of libf2c.a
+		     */
+		    useg2c++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'A':
+		    /* Force arch-specific include files.
+		     */
+		    userincs++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'C':
+		    /* Link a host program which has a C main.  We may need
+		     * to tweak the command line as a special case here since
+		     * we normally assume Fortran sources.  This is currently
+		     * only needed for host C programs under LinuxPPC.
+		     */
+		    host_c_main++;
+		    break;
+
+		case 'V':
+		    /* Print XC version identification.
+		     */
+		    fprintf (stderr, "%s\n", VERSION);
+		    fflush (stderr);
+		    break;
+
+		default:
+		    if (strcmp (&arg[1], "Nh") == 0) {
+			if ((arg = argv[++i]) == EOS)
+			    i--;
+			else {
+			    foreigndefs++;
+			    foreign_defsfile = arg;
+			    continue;
+			}
+		    }
+
+		    lflags[nflags] = bp;
+		    *bp++ = '-';
+
+		    /* Process list of flags without arguments, e.g. "-xyz"
+		     * which is the same as "-x -y -z".
+		     */
+		    for (ip = &arg[1];  *ip != EOS;  ip++)
+			if (*ip == 'c') {
+			    mkobject = YES;
+			    mktask = NO;
+			    objflags = YES;
+			    cflagseen = YES;
+
+			} else if (*ip == 'd') {
+			    debug++;
+			} else if (*ip == 'q') {
+			    optimize = NO;
+			} else if (*ip == 'O') {
+			    optimize = YES;
+
+			} else if (*ip == 'F' || *ip == 'f') {
+			    keepfort = YES;
+			    if (objflags == NO) {
+				mkobject = NO;
+				mktask = NO;
+			    }
+			} else if (*ip == 'x') {
+			    dbgout++;
+			    optimize = NO;
+			    *bp++ = DEBUGFLAG;
+			    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+				fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+			} else if (*ip == 'z') {
+			    usesharelib = NO;
+			} else if (*ip == 'e') {
+			    noedsym = YES;
+			} else if (*ip == 't') {
+			    notvsym = YES;
+			} else if (*ip == 'T') {
+			    noshsym = YES;
+			} else if (*ip == 's') {
+			    stripexe = YES;
+			    goto passflag;
+			} else if (*ip == 'N') {
+			    /* "NFS" link option.  Generate the output temp
+			     * file in /tmp during the link, then move it to
+			     * the output directory in one operation when done.
+			     * For cases such as linking in an NFS-mounted
+			     * directory, where all the NFS i/o may slow the
+			     * link down excessively.
+			     */
+			    link_nfs = YES;
+			} else {
+passflag:		    mkobject = YES;
+			    if (!cflagseen)
+				mktask = YES;
+			    *bp++ = *ip;
+			    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+				fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+		        }
+
+		    if (bp - lflags[nflags] <= 1) {
+			lflags[nflags] = NULL;
+			bp--;
+		    } else {
+			*bp++ = EOS;
+			if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+			    fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+		    }
+		}
+
+	    } else {
+		char	*ip, *op, *last_dot;
+
+		/* Get default name for output executable file, if not given
+		 * as arg.  The default extension is ".e".
+		 */
+		if (outfile[0] == EOS) {
+		    last_dot = NULL;
+		    for (ip=arg, op=outfile;  (*op = *ip++) != EOS;  op++)
+			if (*op == '.')
+			    last_dot = op;
+		    if (last_dot != NULL)
+			*last_dot = EOS;
+		    strcat (outfile, ".e");
+		}
+
+		/* Munge filename if file is a library. */
+		if (isafile(arg) && (s = iraflib(arg)))
+		    arg = s;
+
+		if (access (arg,0) == -1) {
+		    fprintf (stderr, "Warning: file `%s' not found\n", arg);
+		    fflush (stderr);
+		} else {
+		    lfiles[nfiles++] = arg;
+		    if (nfiles > MAXFILE)
+			fatal ("Too many files");
+
+		    if (isxfile (arg)) {
+			xtof (arg);
+			if (errflag & (XPP_BADXFILE | XPP_COMPERR)) {
+			    nfiles--;
+			    errflag &= ~(XPP_BADXFILE | XPP_COMPERR);
+			}
+		    } else if (isffile (arg)) {
+			lffiles[nffiles++] = arg;
+			if (nffiles > MAXFILE)
+			    fatal ("too many files");
+		    } else if (isefile (arg))
+			fatal ("no .e files permitted in file list");
+		}
+	    }
+	}
+	
+	if (!mkobject) {
+	    if (debug) {
+		fprintf (stderr, "quit, fortran only\n");
+		fflush (stderr);
+	    }
+	    ZZSTOP();
+	    exit (errflag);
+	}
+
+	/* Add -I<include-dir> to lflags for each directory in the pkglibs
+	 * package library list.  pkglibs is a comma delimited list of VFN
+	 * directory names formed by loading the core system and layered
+	 * package environments.
+	 */
+	if (pkglibs = os_getenv ("pkglibs")) {
+	    char *ip, *op, *vp, fname[SZ_FNAME];
+
+	    for (ip=pkglibs;  *ip;  ) {
+		while (*ip && isspace(*ip) || *ip == ',')
+		    ip++;
+		for (op=fname;  *ip && !(isspace (*ip) || *ip == ',');  )
+		    *op++ = *ip++;
+		*op++ = EOS;
+		if (*fname == EOS)
+		    break;
+
+		/* Omit the LIBC includes if -Inolibc was specified. */
+		if (! (nolibc && strcmp (fname, LIBCINCLUDES) == 0)) {
+		    lflags[nflags] = bp;
+		    *bp++ = '-';
+		    *bp++ = 'I';
+		    for (vp=vfn2osfn(fname,0);  *bp++ = *vp++;  )
+			;
+		    if (*(bp-2) == '/') {
+			--bp;
+			*(bp-1) = EOS;
+		    }
+
+		    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+			fatal ("Out of buffer space for options");
+		    if (nflags++ >= MAXFLAG)
+			fatal ("Too many compiler options");
+		}
+
+		while (*ip && (isspace(*ip) || *ip == ','))
+		    ip++;
+	    }
+	}
+
+	/* Now check for any alternative compiler definitions or commandline
+	 * flags which will affect out link line.  Some systems like LinuxPPC
+	 * will require use of -lg2c even though we can continue to use the
+	 * hlib$f77.sh the fortran compiler script on that system.
+	 */
+	if (useg2c || strncmp (f77comp, "g77", 3) == 0) {
+	    fortlib[0] = fortlib[1] = "-lg2c";
+	}
+
+
+#ifdef sun
+	/* Determine if any special architecture dependent compilation flags
+	 * are needed.  For the Sun V1.3 compiler, since FLOAT_OPTION is no
+	 * longer supported, we look for IRAFARCH and generate the -f68881
+	 * or -ffpa compiler switches automatically if we are compiling on a
+	 * Sun-3 and no -/f* has already been specified on the command line.
+	 */
+	if (!floatoption[0] && (irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH")))
+	    if (irafarch[0] == 'f')
+		sprintf (floatoption, "-%s", irafarch);
+#endif
+	/* Compile all F77 source files with F77 to produce object code.
+	 * This compilation is separate from that used for the '.x' files,
+	 * because we do not want to use the UNIX "-u" flag (requires that
+	 * everything be declared) for raw Fortran files.
+	 */
+	nargs = 0;
+	arglist[nargs++] = f77comp;
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-c";
+	if (usef2c == YES) {
+	    arglist[nargs++] = "-f2c";
+	    arglist[nargs++] = f2cpath;
+	}
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+	if (useg95 == 0) {
+	    if ((irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH"))) {
+	        if (strcmp (irafarch, "macosx") == 0) {
+	            arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "ppc";
+	            arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "i386";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4";
+	        } else if (strcmp (irafarch, "macintel") == 0) {
+	            arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "x86_64";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-m64";
+		}
+	    }
+	}
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+#if (defined(BSD))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef LINUXAOUT
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-b";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "i486-linuxaout";
+#endif
+#ifdef sun
+	if (floatoption[0])
+	    arglist[nargs++] = floatoption;
+#endif
+        if (optimize) {
+	    for (i=0;  i < nopt_flags;  i++)
+	        arglist[nargs++] = opt_flags[i];
+	}
+
+	/* Add the user-defined flags last so they can override the 
+	 * hardwired options.
+	 */
+	if ((s = os_getenv("XC-FFLAGS")) || (s = os_getenv("XC_FFLAGS")))
+	    addflags (s, arglist, &nargs);
+
+	for (i=0;  i < nflags;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lflags[i];
+	
+	for (i=0;  i < nffiles;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lffiles[i];
+	arglist[nargs] = NULL;
+
+	if (i > 0) {
+	    if (debug)
+		printargs (f77comp, arglist, nargs);
+	    status = run (f77comp, arglist);
+#ifdef LINUX
+	/* This kludge is to work around a bug in the F2C based F77 script
+	 * on Linux, which returns an exit status of 4 when successfully
+	 * compiling a Fortran file.
+	 */
+	if (status == 4)
+	    status = 0;
+#endif
+	    errflag += status;
+	}
+
+
+	/* Compile the remaining Fortran source files with F77 to produce
+	 * object code.
+	 */
+	nargs = 0;
+	arglist[nargs++] = f77comp;
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-c";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-u";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-x";
+	if (usef2c == YES) {
+	    arglist[nargs++] = "-f2c";
+	    arglist[nargs++] = f2cpath;
+	}
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+	if (useg95 == 0) {
+	    if ((irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH"))) {
+                if (strcmp (irafarch, "macosx") == 0) {
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "ppc";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "i386";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4";
+                } else if (strcmp (irafarch, "macintel") == 0) {
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "x86_64";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-m64";
+                }
+
+	    }
+	}
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+#if (defined(BSD))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef LINUXAOUT
+        arglist[nargs++] = "-b";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "i486-linuxaout";
+#endif
+#ifdef sun
+	if (floatoption[0])
+	    arglist[nargs++] = floatoption;
+#endif
+        if (optimize) {
+	    for (i=0;  i < nopt_flags;  i++)
+	       arglist[nargs++] = opt_flags[i];
+	}
+
+	/* Add the user-defined flags last so they can override the 
+	 * hardwired options.
+	 */
+	if ((s = os_getenv("XC-FFLAGS")) || (s = os_getenv("XC_FFLAGS")))
+	    addflags (s, arglist, &nargs);
+
+	for (i=0;  i < nflags;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lflags[i];
+	
+	/* Make list of files to be compiled.  Do not include F77 files,
+	 * as they were already compiled above.
+	 */
+	for (i=0, noperands=0;  i < nfiles;  i++) {
+	    for (j=0;  j < nffiles && lffiles[j] != lfiles[i];  j++)
+		;
+	    if (j >= nffiles && isffile (lfiles[i])) {
+		arglist[nargs++] = lfiles[i];
+		noperands++;
+	    }
+	}
+	arglist[nargs] = NULL;
+
+	if (noperands > 0) {
+	    if (debug)
+		printargs (f77comp, arglist, nargs);
+	    status = run (f77comp, arglist);
+#ifdef LINUX
+	    /* This kludge is to work around a bug in the F2C based F77 script
+	     * on Linux, which returns an exit status of 4 when successfully
+	     * compiling a Fortran file.
+	     */
+	    if (status == 4)
+		status = 0;
+#endif
+	    errflag += status;
+	}
+
+
+	/* Compile the remaining non-Fortran source files with CC to produce
+	 * object code.
+	 */
+	nargs = 0;
+	arglist[nargs++] = ccomp;
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-c";
+
+#ifdef MACH64
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DMACH64";		/* needed for zmain.c */
+#endif
+#ifdef LINUX64
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DLINUX64";		/* needed for zmain.c */
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+#ifdef LINUX
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DLINUX";
+#ifdef REDHAT
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DREDHAT";
+#endif
+#ifdef LINUXPPC
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DLINUXPPC";
+#endif
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DPOSIX";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DSYSV";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef BSD
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DBSD";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DMACOSX";
+	if (useg95 == 0) {
+	    if ((irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH"))) {
+                if (strcmp (irafarch, "macosx") == 0) {
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "ppc";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "i386";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	    	    arglist[nargs++] = "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4";
+                } else if (strcmp (irafarch, "macintel") == 0) {
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "x86_64";
+                    arglist[nargs++] = "-m64";
+                }
+
+	    }
+	}
+#endif
+
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DSOLARIS";
+#ifdef X86
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DX86";
+#endif
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DPOSIX";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-DSYSV";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef LINUXAOUT
+        arglist[nargs++] = "-b";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "i486-linuxaout";
+#endif
+
+#ifdef sun
+	if (floatoption[0])
+	    arglist[nargs++] = floatoption;
+#endif
+	if (optimize) {
+	    for (i=0;  i < nopt_flags;  i++)
+	        arglist[nargs++] = opt_flags[i];
+	}
+
+	/* Add the user-defined flags last so they can override the 
+	 * hardwired options.
+	 */
+	if ((s = os_getenv("XC-CFLAGS")) || (s = os_getenv("XC_CFLAGS")))
+	    addflags (s, arglist, &nargs);
+
+	for (i=0;  i < nflags;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lflags[i];
+	
+	/* Make list of files to be compiled.  Only C and assembler files
+	 * are included.
+	 */
+	for (i=0, noperands=0;  i < nfiles;  i++) {
+	    if (iscfile (lfiles[i]) || issfile (lfiles[i])) {
+		arglist[nargs++] = lfiles[i];
+		noperands++;
+	    }
+	}
+	arglist[nargs] = NULL;
+
+	if (noperands > 0) {
+	    if (debug)
+		printargs (ccomp, arglist, nargs);
+	    errflag += run (ccomp, arglist);
+	}
+
+
+	/* If "-c" (compile only), or there was a compiler error, do not
+	 * proceed with the link.
+	 */
+	if (!mktask || cflagseen || errflag)
+	    done (errflag);
+
+
+	/* Link the object files and libraries to produce the "-o" task.
+	 */
+	nargs = 0;
+	arglist[nargs++] = linker;
+	if ((s = os_getenv("XC-LFLAGS")) || (s = os_getenv("XC_LFLAGS")))
+	    addflags (s, arglist, &nargs);
+
+#ifdef MACOSX
+	if (useg95 == 0 && (irafarch = os_getenv("IRAFARCH"))) {
+            if (strcmp (irafarch, "macosx") == 0) {
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "ppc";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "i386";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	    	arglist[nargs++] = "-mmacosx-version-min=10.4";
+            } else if (strcmp (irafarch, "macintel") == 0) {
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-arch";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "x86_64";
+                arglist[nargs++] = "-m64";
+            }
+	}
+#endif
+
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-Wl,-t";
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-Wl,--defsym,mem_=0";
+#endif
+#if (defined(LINUX) && !defined(MACH64))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+#endif
+#if (defined(BSD))
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-m32";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-L/usr/lib32";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-B/usr/lib32";
+#endif
+#ifdef NEED_GCC_SPECS
+	{   char gcc_specs[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	    static char cmd[SZ_CMDBUF];
+
+	    if (os_sysfile ("gcc-specs", gcc_specs, SZ_PATHNAME) < 0)
+		arglist[nargs++] = "/iraf/iraf/unix/bin/gcc-specs";
+	    sprintf (cmd, "-specs=%s", gcc_specs);
+	    arglist[nargs++] = cmd;
+	}
+#endif
+#ifdef LINUXAOUT
+        arglist[nargs++] = "-b";
+	arglist[nargs++] = "i486-linuxaout";
+#endif
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-o";
+
+	if (link_nfs) {
+	    sprintf (tempfile, "/tmp/T_%s.XXXXXX", outfile);
+#ifdef LINUX
+	    mkstemp (tempfile);
+#else
+	    mktemp (tempfile);
+#endif
+	} else
+	    sprintf (tempfile, "T_%s", outfile);
+	arglist[nargs++] = tempfile;
+
+	ncomp = 0;
+	for (i=0;  i < nfiles;  i++)
+	    if (*(ip = lfiles[i]) != '-') {
+		while (*ip++ != EOS)
+		    ;
+		while (*--ip != '.' && ip >= lfiles[i])
+		    ;
+		if (*ip == '.')
+		    switch (ip[1]) {
+		    case 'f':
+		    case 'r':
+		    case 'c':
+		    case 's':
+		    case 'e':
+			ip[1] = 'o';
+			ncomp++;
+		    }
+	    }
+
+	/* Link options. */
+	link_static = 0;
+	for (i=0;  i < nflags;  i++) {
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lflags[i];
+	    if (strcmp (lflags[i], F_STATIC) == 0)
+		link_static = 1;
+	    else if (strcmp (lflags[i], F_SHARED) == 0)
+		link_static = 0;
+	}
+
+#ifdef sun
+	/* Need to pass -f<float> to CC for the C libraries. */
+	if (floatoption[0])
+	    arglist[nargs++] = floatoption;
+
+	/* If we are using the V1.3 Sun Fortran compiler, the V1.3 "f77"
+	 * should be a symbolic link pointing to the BIN directory for the
+	 * new compiler.  Construct the path to this directory and put it
+	 * out as a -Ldir flag on the link line to ensure that the library
+	 * is searched for linking.
+	 */
+	if (isv13()) {
+	    char    libpath[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	    char    dir[SZ_PATHNAME], *path;
+	    char    *pp, *ip, *op, *s;
+	    int     n;
+
+	    path = findexe ("f77", dir);
+
+	    strcpy (libpath, "-L");
+	    strcpy (libpath+2, dir);
+	    for (op=libpath;  *op;  op++)
+		;
+	    if ((n = readlink (path, op, 128)) > 0) {
+		op[n] = EOS;
+
+		for (ip=op;  *ip;  ip++)
+		    if (*ip == '/')
+			op = ip;
+		*op = EOS;
+
+		/* Search, e.g., /usr/lang/SC0.0/ffpa first if Sun-3. */
+		if (floatoption[0]) {
+		    s = floatoption + 1;
+		    *op = '/';
+		    strcpy (op+1, s);
+		    strcpy (libp, libpath);
+		    libp += strlen (pp = libp) + 1;
+		    arglist[nargs++] = pp;
+		}
+
+		/* Search /usr/lang/SC0.0 (or whatever). */
+		*op = EOS;
+		strcpy (libp, libpath);
+		libp += strlen (pp = libp) + 1;
+		arglist[nargs++] = pp;
+	    }
+	}
+#endif
+
+	/* File to link. */
+	for (i=0;  i < nfiles;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = lfiles[i];
+
+	/* Libraries to link against.
+	 */
+	if (hostprog) {
+#ifdef LINUXPPC
+	    /* LinuxPPC (YellowDog anyway) requires this library to resolve
+	     * the MAIN__ generated by the fortran program statement into
+	     * the 'main'.
+	     */
+	    if (host_c_main == 0)
+	        arglist[nargs++] = "-lfrtbegin";
+#else
+	    if (!isv13())
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (fortlib[0]);
+#endif
+	} else
+	    arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (LIBMAIN);
+
+	if (voslibs) {
+	    if (usesharelib) {
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (SHARELIB);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB4);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB5);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB6);
+	    } else {
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB1);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB2);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB3);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB4);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB5);
+		arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (IRAFLIB6);
+	    }
+	}
+#ifdef HOST_CURL
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-lcurl";
+#endif
+#ifdef HOST_EXPAT
+	arglist[nargs++] = "-lexpat";
+#endif
+	/* Host libraries, searched after iraf libraries. */
+	for (i=0;  i < nhlibs;  i++)
+	    arglist[nargs++] = hlibs[i];
+
+	/* The remaining system libraries depend upon which version of
+	 * the SunOS compiler we are using.  The V1.3 compilers use only
+	 * -lF77 and -lm.
+	 */
+	if (isv13()) {
+	    addflags (fortlib[2], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[4], arglist, &nargs);
+	} else {
+	    addflags (fortlib[1], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[2], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[3], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[4], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[5], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[6], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[7], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[8], arglist, &nargs);
+	    addflags (fortlib[9], arglist, &nargs);
+	}
+	arglist[nargs] = NULL;
+
+	if (ncomp) {
+	    fprintf (stderr, "link:\n");
+	    fflush (stderr);
+	}
+	if (debug)
+	    printargs (linker, arglist, nargs);
+
+	/* If the link is successful, replace the old executable with the
+	 * new one.  Do not delete the bad executable if the link fails,
+	 * as we might want to examine its symbol table.
+	 */
+	if ((status = run (linker, arglist)) == 0) {
+	    unlink (outfile);
+
+	    if (link_nfs) {
+		char command[1024];
+		sprintf (command, "/bin/cp -f %s %s", tempfile, outfile);
+		if (debug)
+		    printargs (command, NULL, 0);
+		status = sys (command);
+	    } else
+		link (tempfile, outfile);
+
+	    /* Force the mode of the file. */
+	    chmod (outfile, 0755);
+
+	    unlink (tempfile);
+	}
+	errflag += status;
+
+	/* If we are linking against the iraf shared library and symbol editing
+	 * has not been disabled, edit the symbol table of the new executable
+	 * to provide symbols within the shared image.
+	 */
+	if (usesharelib && !noedsym && !stripexe) {
+	    char    shlib[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	    char    edsym[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	    char    command[SZ_CMDBUF];
+
+	    /* The os_sysfile(SHIMAGE) below assumes the existence of a file
+	     * entry "S.e" in the directory containing the real shared image
+	     * "S<n>.e".  We can't easily look directly for S<n>.e because
+	     * the process symbol table and image has to be examined to
+	     * determine the shared image version number.
+	     */
+	    if (os_sysfile (SHIMAGE, shlib, SZ_PATHNAME) > 0) {
+		if (os_sysfile (EDSYM, edsym, SZ_PATHNAME) > 0) {
+		    sprintf (command, "%s %s %s", edsym, outfile, shlib);
+		    if (noshsym)
+			strcat (command, " -T");
+		    else if (notvsym)
+			strcat (command, " -t");
+		    status = sys (command);
+		}
+	    }
+	}
+	errflag += status;
+
+	done (errflag);
+}
+
+
+/* MKFNAME -- Make the UNIX pathname of an IRAF library file.  Use os_sysfile
+ * the get the vfn of the library file, so that we do not have to know what
+ * system directory the library file is in.
+ */
+char *
+mkfname (i_fname)
+char *i_fname;
+{
+	char fname[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char *oname;
+
+	/* Library referenced as -lXXX */
+	if (strncmp (i_fname, "-l", 2) == 0) {
+	    sprintf (fname, "lib%s.a", &i_fname[2]);
+	    if (oname = iraflib (fname))
+		return (oname);
+	    else
+		return (i_fname);
+	}
+
+	/* Must be a library filename or pathname */
+	strcpy (fname, i_fname);
+	if (oname = iraflib (fname))
+	    strcpy (libp, oname);
+	else
+	    strcpy (libp, fname);
+
+	oname = libp;
+	libp += strlen (libp) + 1;
+
+	return (oname);
+}
+
+
+/* ADDFLAGS -- Add one or more flags to an argument list.  Ignore null flags,
+ * separate multiple flags on whitespace.
+ */
+addflags (flag, arglist, p_nargs)
+char *flag;
+char *arglist[];
+int *p_nargs;
+{
+	register int i, len, nargs = *p_nargs;
+	char *fp, *fs, lflag[SZ_FNAME];
+
+	if (flag && *flag) {
+
+	    for (fp = flag; *fp; ) {
+		while (*fp && isspace(*fp)) 		/* skip leading space */
+		    fp++;
+		for (i=0; *fp && !isspace(*fp); ) 	/* collect flag       */
+		    lflag[i++] = *fp++;
+		lflag[i] = '\0';
+		len = strlen (lflag);
+		strcpy ((fs = malloc(len+1)), lflag);
+
+	        if (strcmp (lflag, F_STATIC) == 0) {
+		    link_static = 1;
+	        } else if (strcmp (lflag, F_SHARED) == 0) {
+		    link_static = 0;
+#ifndef HOST_F2C
+#if defined(LINUX) || defined(BSD) || defined(X86) || defined(MACOSX)
+	        } else if ((strcmp (lflag, "-lf2c") == 0) || 
+	    	    (strcmp (lflag, "-lcompat") == 0)) {
+		        /* Use the IRAF version of libf2c.a or libcompat.a,
+		         * not the host version which may or may not be present.
+		         */
+		        arglist[nargs++] = mkfname (lflag);
+		        *p_nargs = nargs;
+		        return (1);
+#endif
+#endif
+	        }
+
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+	        else if (strcmp (lflag, "-ldl") == 0) {
+		    /* This beastie has to be linked dynamic on Solaris, but
+		     * we don't want to have to know this everywhere so we do
+		     * it automatically there.
+		     */
+		    if (link_static)
+		        arglist[nargs++] = F_SHARED;
+		    arglist[nargs++] = fs;
+		    if (link_static)
+		        arglist[nargs++] = F_STATIC;
+		    *p_nargs = nargs;
+		    return (1);
+	        }
+#endif
+	        arglist[nargs++] = fs;
+	    }
+
+	    *p_nargs = nargs;
+	    return (1);
+	}
+
+	return (0);
+}
+
+
+/* IRAFLIB -- Determine if "libname" is an IRAF library.  If so return
+ * the pathname of the library, else return NULL.
+ */
+char *
+iraflib (libref)
+char	*libref;
+{
+	register char *ip, *op;
+	char savename[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char libname[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char fname[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char path[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	int foundit, dbg = dbgout;
+	char *absname;
+
+	strcpy (savename, libref);
+
+	/* If dbgout is enabled try the debug library first, but fall back
+	 * to the normal library if thie debug library is not found.
+	 */
+again:
+	if (strncmp (libref, "-l", 2) == 0) { 
+	    sprintf (libname, "lib%s.a", libref+2);
+	    libref = libname;
+	    goto again;
+	} else
+	    strcpy (libname, libref);
+
+	/* Position IP to EOS. */
+	for (ip=libref;  *ip;  ip++)
+	    ;
+
+	if (!(*(ip-2) == '.' && *(ip-1) == 'a')) {
+	    /* Not a library file, leave it alone.
+	     */
+	    strcpy (fname, libref);
+
+	} else {
+	    /* Normalize the library file name, "libXXX[_p].a".
+	     */
+	    for (ip=libref, op=fname;  *op = *ip;  op++, ip++)
+		;
+	    if ((*(op-2) == '.' && *(op-1) == 'a')) {
+		*(op-2) = '\0';
+		op -= 2;
+	    } else
+		op -= 1;
+
+	    if (dbg && !(*(op-2) == '_' && *(op-1) == 'p')) {
+		*op++ = '_';
+		*op++ = 'p';
+	    }
+	    *op++ = '.';
+	    *op++ = 'a';
+	    *op++ = '\0';
+	}
+
+	foundit = 0;
+	if (access (fname, 0) == 0) {
+	    strcpy (path, fname);
+	    foundit++;
+	} else {
+	    if (os_sysfile (fname, path, SZ_PATHNAME) > 0)
+		foundit++;
+	}
+
+	if (foundit) {
+	    strcpy (absname=bp, vfn2osfn (path, 0));
+	    bp += strlen (absname) + 1;
+	    if (bp - buffer >= SZ_BUFFER)
+		fatal ("Out of space for library names");
+	    if (debug > 1)
+		fprintf (stderr, "iraflib: %s -> %s\n", savename, absname);
+	    return (absname);
+	} else if (dbg) {
+	    dbg = 0;
+	    goto again;
+	} else {
+	    if (debug > 1)
+		fprintf (stderr, "iraflib: %s -> %s\n", savename, savename);
+	    return (NULL);
+	}
+}
+
+
+/* PRINTARGS -- Echo a UNIX command on the standard error output.
+ */
+printargs (cmd, arglist, nargs)
+char	*cmd;
+char	*arglist[];
+int	nargs;
+{
+	int	i;
+
+	fputs (cmd, stderr);
+	for (i=1;  i < nargs;  i++)
+	    fprintf (stderr, " %s", arglist[i]);
+	putc ('\n', stderr);
+	fflush (stderr);
+}
+
+
+/* XTOF -- Convert a ".x" file into a ".f" file, i.e., call up the preprocessor
+ * to translate an SPP file into Fortran.
+ */
+xtof (file)
+char	*file;
+{
+	static  char xpp_path[SZ_PATHNAME+1], rpp_path[SZ_PATHNAME+1];
+	char	cmdbuf[SZ_CMDBUF], fname[SZ_FNAME];
+	char    iraf_h[SZ_PATHNAME];
+
+
+	lxfiles[nxfiles++] = file;
+	if (nxfiles > MAXFILE)
+	    fatal ("too many files");
+
+	if (nfileargs > 1 || mkobject) {
+	    fprintf (stderr, "%s:\n", file);
+	    fflush (stderr);
+	}
+
+	if (!xpp_path[0])
+	    if (os_sysfile (XPP, xpp_path, SZ_PATHNAME) <= 0)
+		strcpy (xpp_path, XPP);
+
+	if (userincs) {
+	    if (pkgenv)
+	        sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s %s -A -R %s", xpp_path, pkgenv, file);
+	    else
+	        sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s -A -R %s", xpp_path, file);
+	} else {
+	    if (pkgenv)
+	        sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s %s -R %s", xpp_path, pkgenv, file);
+	    else
+	        sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s -R %s", xpp_path, file);
+	}
+
+
+	/* Include a custom 64-bit iraf.h file.
+	 */
+#if defined(LINUX64) || defined(MACH64)
+	memset (iraf_h, 0, SZ_PATHNAME);
+
+	if (os_sysfile ("iraf.h", iraf_h, SZ_PATHNAME) <= 0)
+	    strcpy (iraf_h, "iraf.h");
+	strcat (cmdbuf, " -h ");
+	strcat (cmdbuf, iraf_h);
+#else
+	if (foreigndefs) {
+	    strcat (cmdbuf, " -h ");
+	    strcat (cmdbuf, foreign_defsfile);
+	}
+#endif
+	printf("Calling '%s'\n", cmdbuf); 
+	errflag |= sys (cmdbuf);
+	chdot (file, 'r');
+
+	strcpy (fname, file);
+	chdot (fname, 'f');
+
+	if (!rpp_path[0])
+	    if (os_sysfile (RPP, rpp_path, SZ_PATHNAME) <= 0)
+		strcpy (rpp_path, RPP);
+	sprintf (cmdbuf, "%s %s%s >%s",
+	    rpp_path, dbgout ? "-g " : "", file, fname);
+	printf("Calling '%s'\n", cmdbuf); 
+	if (!(errflag & XPP_BADXFILE))
+	    errflag |= sys (cmdbuf);
+
+	/*unlink (file);			/* remove ".r" file */
+	chdot (file, 'f');		/* change name to ".f" */
+}
+
+
+/* GETEXTN -- Get a one letter extension from a file name (BPS 07.23.96)
+ */
+getextn (fname)
+char	*fname;
+{
+	register char *ip, *dot;
+        int ch;
+
+	for (ip=fname, dot=NULL;  *ip != EOS;  ip++)
+	    if (*ip == '.')
+		dot = ip;
+
+	if (dot == NULL || *(dot+2) != EOS) {
+	    ch = EOS;
+	} else {
+	    ch = *(dot+1);
+	}
+
+	return (ch);
+}
+	
+
+/* CHDOT -- Change the filename extension, i.e., the single character
+ * following the "." at the end of the filename, to the indicated character.
+ */
+chdot (fname, dotchar)
+char	*fname;
+char	dotchar;
+{
+	char	*p;
+
+	p = fname;
+	while (*p++ != EOS)
+	    ;
+	while (*--p != '.' && p >= fname)
+	    ;
+	*(p+1) = dotchar;
+}
+
+
+/* RUN -- Send a command to UNIX and return the execution status to our
+ * caller at the completion of the command.
+ */
+run (task, argv)
+char	*task;
+char	*argv[];
+{
+	int	waitpid;
+	pid_t	fork();
+	char	path[SZ_PATHNAME];
+
+	if ((waitpid = fork()) == 0) {
+	    enbint (SIG_DFL);
+
+	    execvp (task, argv);	/* use user PATH for search */
+	    strcpy (path, SYSBINDIR);
+	    strcat (path, task);
+	    execv  (path, argv);	/* look in SYSBINDIR */
+	    strcpy (path, LOCALBINDIR);
+	    strcat (path, task);
+	    execv  (path, argv);	/* look in LOCALBINDIR */
+
+	    fatalstr ("Cannot execute %s", task);
+	}
+
+	return (await (waitpid));
+}
+
+
+/*
+ * Task execution and interrupt handling routines,
+ * taken with minor modifications the F77 driver.
+ */
+
+
+/* SYS -- Execute a general UNIX command passed as a string.  The command may
+ * contain i/o redirection metacharacters.  The full path of the command to
+ * be executed should be given (and always is in the case of XC).
+ */
+sys (cmd)
+char	*cmd;
+{
+	register char *ip;
+	char	*argv[256];
+	char	*inname, *outname;
+	int	append;
+	int	waitpid;
+	int	argc;
+
+	if (debug) {
+	    fprintf (stderr, "debug: %s\n", cmd);
+	    fflush (stderr);
+	}
+
+	inname  = NULL;
+	outname = NULL;
+	append = NO;
+	argc = 0;
+
+	/* Parse command string into argv array, inname, and outname.
+	 */
+	ip = cmd;
+	while (isspace (*ip))
+	    ++ip;
+	while (*ip) {
+	    if (*ip == '<')
+		inname = ip+1;
+	    else if (*ip == '>') {
+		if (ip[1] == '>') {
+		    append = YES;
+		    outname = ip+2;
+		} else {
+		    append = NO;
+		    outname = ip+1;
+		}
+	    } else
+		argv[argc++] = ip;
+	    while ( !isspace (*ip) && *ip != '\0' )
+		++ip;
+	    if (*ip) {
+		*ip++ = '\0';
+		while (isspace (*ip))
+		    ++ip;
+	    }
+	}
+
+	if (argc <= 0)				/* no command */
+	    return (-1);
+	argv[argc] = 0;
+
+	/* Execute the command. */
+	if ((waitpid = fork()) == 0) {
+	    if (inname)
+		freopen (inname, "r", stdin);
+	    if (outname)
+		freopen (outname, (append ? "a" : "w"), stdout);
+	    enbint (SIG_DFL);
+
+	    execv (argv[0], argv);
+	    fatalstr ("Cannot execute %s", argv[0]);
+	}
+
+	return (await (waitpid));
+}
+
+
+/* DONE -- Called at process shutdown to cleanup.  Primary action is to delete
+ * the intermediate Fortran files, unless the -F flag was given on the command
+ * line.
+ */
+done (k)
+int	k;
+{
+	static	int recurs = NO;
+
+	if (recurs == NO) {
+	    recurs = YES;
+	    if (!keepfort)
+	        rmfiles();
+	}
+
+	ZZSTOP();
+	exit (k);
+}
+
+
+/* ENBINT -- Post an exception handler function to be executed if any sort
+ * of interrupt occurs.
+ */
+enbint (handler)
+SIGFUNC	handler;
+{
+	if (sig_int == 0)
+	    signal (SIGINT, handler);
+	if (sig_quit == 0)
+	    signal (SIGQUIT, handler);
+	if (sig_hup == 0)
+	    signal (SIGHUP, handler);
+	if (sig_term == 0)
+	    signal (SIGTERM, handler);
+}
+
+
+/* INTERRUPT -- Exception handler, called if an interrupt is received
+ * during compilation.
+ */
+interrupt()
+{
+	done (2);
+}
+
+
+/* AWAIT -- Wait for an asynchronous child process to terminate.
+ */
+await (waitpid)
+int	waitpid;
+{
+	int	w, status;
+	extern	interrupt();
+
+	enbint (SIG_IGN);
+	while ((w = wait (&status)) != waitpid)
+	    if (w == -1)
+		fatal ("bad wait code");
+	enbint ((SIGFUNC)interrupt);
+	if (status & 0377) {
+	    if (status != SIGINT) {
+		fprintf (stderr, "Termination code %d", status);
+		fflush (stderr);
+	    }
+	    done (2);
+	}
+	return (status>>8);
+}
+
+
+/* RMFILES -- Delete all of the ".f" intermediate Fortran files.
+ */
+rmfiles()
+{
+	int	i;
+
+	for (i=0;  i < nxfiles;  i++) {
+	    chdot (lxfiles[i], 'f');
+	    /*	    unlink (lxfiles[i]); */
+	}
+}
+
+
+/* FATALSTR -- Fatal error with an sprintf format and one string argument.
+ */
+fatalstr (s1, s2)
+char	*s1, *s2;
+{
+	char	out[SZ_CMDBUF];
+
+	sprintf (out, s1, s2);
+	fatal (out);
+}
+
+
+/* FATAL -- A fatal error has occurred.  Print error message and terminate
+ * process execution.
+ */
+fatal (s)
+char	*s;
+{
+	fprintf (stderr, "Fatal compiler error: %s\n", s);
+	fflush (stderr);
+	done (1);
+}
+
+
+/* ERROR -- Print a warning message but do not terminate the process.
+ */
+error (s)
+char	*s;
+{
+	fprintf (stderr, "Error: %s\n", s);
+	fflush (stderr);
+}
+
+
+/* ISV3 -- Test if we are using the version 3.x (or greater) Sunsoft Compilers.
+ * This returns true unless SC2.x.x is detected.
+ */
+isv3()
+{
+	static	int v3 = -1;
+	struct	dirent *dp;
+	char	dir[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	char	*name;
+	DIR	*dirp;
+
+#ifndef SOLARIS
+	return (v3 = 0);
+#else
+	char	*path;
+	char	link[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	int	n;
+
+        if (v3 != -1)
+            return (v3);
+
+        if ((path = findexe ("f77", dir))) {
+            /* Check if command is a symlink to someplace else, if so look
+             * for the string 'SC2.0' in the link path indicating this is
+             * a V2 compiler installation.  Otherwise check the path to a
+             * file for the same thing.  This assumes that V3 is true
+             * unless something is found to say otherwise.
+             */
+            if ((n = readlink (path, link, 128)) > 0) {
+                link[n] = '\0';
+                if (strstr (link, "SC2.0"))
+                    return (v3 = 0);
+            } else
+                if (strstr (dir, "SC2.0"))
+                    return (v3 = 0);
+        }
+
+        return (v3 = 1);
+#endif
+}
+
+/* ISV13 -- Test if we are using the version 1.3 Sun Fortran compiler.
+ * There is no simple, reliable way to do this.  The heuristic used is
+ * to first locate the "f77" we will use, then see if there is a file
+ * named "f77-1.3*" in the same directory.
+ */
+isv13()
+{
+	static	int v13 = -1;
+	struct	dirent *dp;
+	char	dir[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	char	*name;
+	DIR	*dirp;
+
+return (0);
+#ifdef SOLARIS
+	return (v13 = 0);
+#else
+
+	if (v13 != -1)
+	    return (v13);
+
+	if (findexe ("f77", dir) && (dirp = opendir(dir)) != NULL) {
+	    while (dp = readdir(dirp)) {
+		/* Actually, we don't want to be too picky about the
+		 * version number of this won't work for future versions,
+		 * so just match up to the version number.
+		 */
+		name = dp->d_name;
+		if (!strncmp (name, "f77-1.3", 4) && isdigit(name[4])) {
+		    closedir (dirp);
+		    return (v13 = 1);
+		}
+	    }
+	    closedir (dirp);
+	}
+
+	return (v13 = 0);
+#endif
+}
+
+
+/* FINDEXE -- Search for the named file and return the path if found, else
+ * NULL.  If "dir" is non-NULL the directory in which the file resides is
+ * returned in the string buffer pointed to.  The user's PATH is searched,
+ * followed by SYSBINDIR, then LOCALBINDIR.
+ */
+char *
+findexe (prog, dir)
+char	*prog;			/* file to search for */
+char	*dir;			/* pointer to output string buf, or NULL */
+{
+	register char *ip, *op;
+	static	char path[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	char	dirpath[SZ_PATHNAME];
+	char	*dp = dir ? dir : dirpath;
+	char	*pathp;
+
+	/* Look for the program in the directories in the user's path.
+	 */
+	ip = pathp = os_getenv ("PATH");
+	while (*ip) {
+	    for (op=dp;  *ip && (*op = *ip++) != ':';  op++)
+		;
+	    *op++ = '/';
+	    *op++ = EOS;
+	    strcpy (path, dp);
+	    strcat (path, prog);
+	    if (access (path, 0) != -1)
+		return (path);
+	}
+
+	/* Look in SYSBINDIR. */
+	strcpy (dp, SYSBINDIR);
+	strcpy (path, dp);
+	strcat (path, prog);
+
+	if (access (path, 0) != -1) {
+	    static  char envpath[8192];
+	    char    *oldpath;
+
+	    /* Add SYSBINDIR to the user's path.  This is required to
+	     * use the V1.3 compiler.  Note that this code should only be
+	     * executed once, since the next time findexe is called the
+	     * SYSBINDIR directory will be in the default path, above.
+	     */
+	    if (oldpath = pathp) {
+		sprintf (envpath, "PATH=%s:%s", SYSBINDIR, oldpath);
+		putenv (envpath);
+	    }
+
+	    return (path);
+	}
+
+	/* Look in LOCALBINDIR. */
+	strcpy (dp, LOCALBINDIR);
+	strcpy (path, dp);
+	strcat (path, prog);
+	if (access (path, 0) != -1)
+	    return (path);
+
+	/* Not found. */
+	return (NULL);
+}
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi. I&#39;m trying to package zemberek. One of it&#39;s dependency is dbus-java package. I can see that it is in svn but not pushed. If it is because of libmatthew-java package problem, libmatthew-java is fixed and pushed. Thanks.<br>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 March 2013 04:50, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org" target="_blank">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Glen Ogilvie &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I guess someone must know how Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, and the<br>
+&gt; other images get created.  I don&#39;t want to rebuild all the packages that go<br>
+&gt; in<br>
+&gt; them, just assemble one with the same packages as<br>
+&gt; Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, and a updated install/stage2/mdkinst.sqf<br>
+&gt; file.<br>
+<br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+These are created with the bcd tool.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"></span></blockquote><div><br>Thank you, that&#39;s what I was looking for. <br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br> <br></div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 March 2013 04:50, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org" target="_blank">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Glen Ogilvie &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I guess someone must know how Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, and the<br>
+&gt; other images get created.  I don&#39;t want to rebuild all the packages that go<br>
+&gt; in<br>
+&gt; them, just assemble one with the same packages as<br>
+&gt; Mageia-3-beta3-x86_64-DVD.iso, and a updated install/stage2/mdkinst.sqf<br>
+&gt; file.<br>
+<br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+These are created with the bcd tool.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"></span></blockquote><div><br>Thank you, that&#39;s what I was looking for. <br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br> <br></div></div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Has anyone done, or thought about, setting up some automated testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">of the Mageia installer?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am thinking something based on:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Auto_inst, testing inside a VM, with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">a range of different installer configurations, like:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* different languages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* Free / non-free</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* package selections, minimal, full, custom</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* partitioning optons</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* LVM options</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* encryption options</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* filesystem types</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* software raid options</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* known error cases (too small / filesystem), /boot on something not supported</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* grub and grub2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* different CPUs, RAM, architectures.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am thinking that if we had an auto-inst, with maybe 50 or so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">different test cases, all of which would then be verified by an ssh</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">script connecting to the VM, or something like that.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I've found 3 bugs recently, all of which would have been able to be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">detected by something like what I am suggesting.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Suggestions so far are:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-style:italic;">nicolas vigier: </span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* For automatic testing it would be possible to use OS-autoinst :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.os-autoinst.org/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* What we need is someone to add support for Mageia installer :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://github.com/bmwiedemann/os-autoinst/tree/master/distri</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-style:italic;">Pierre-Malo Deniélou:</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Great idea. Can you prototype it? We should use something like that for </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mageia 4.&quot;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-style:italic;">Anne Nicolas:</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;I remember some people starting something about it Furthermore it could </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">be interested to have some virtualization for basic tests once rebooted&quot;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Glen Ogilvie</p></body></html>
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+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Has anyone done, or thought about, setting up some automated testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">of the Mageia installer?</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am thinking something based on:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Auto_inst, testing inside a VM, with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">a range of different installer configurations, like:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* different languages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* Free / non-free</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* package selections, minimal, full, custom</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* partitioning optons</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* LVM options</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* encryption options</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* filesystem types</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* software raid options</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* known error cases (too small / filesystem), /boot on something not supported</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* grub and grub2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* different CPUs, RAM, architectures.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am thinking that if we had an auto-inst, with maybe 50 or so</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">different test cases, all of which would then be verified by an ssh</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">script connecting to the VM, or something like that.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I've found 3 bugs recently, all of which would have been able to be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">detected by something like what I am suggesting.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Suggestions so far are:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-style:italic;">nicolas vigier: </span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* For automatic testing it would be possible to use OS-autoinst :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.os-autoinst.org/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">* What we need is someone to add support for Mageia installer :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://github.com/bmwiedemann/os-autoinst/tree/master/distri</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-style:italic;">Pierre-Malo Deniélou:</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Great idea. Can you prototype it? We should use something like that for </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mageia 4.&quot;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-style:italic;">Anne Nicolas:</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;I remember some people starting something about it Furthermore it could </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">be interested to have some virtualization for basic tests once rebooted&quot;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Glen Ogilvie</p></body></html>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:justify;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">Hi,<br>
+Today PeaZip 4.9.1 was released, and it has a native x86_64 </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:justify;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">Linux support, this was the reason it was not packaged for Mageia before.<br>
+</span></div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:justify;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">It is a very good archiver and we need it for Mageia 3, hopefully in the default installation. <br>
+</span></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:justify;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">Hi,<br>
+Today PeaZip 4.9.1 was released, and it has a native x86_64 </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:justify;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">Linux support, this was the reason it was not packaged for Mageia before.<br>
+</span></div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:justify;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none">It is a very good archiver and we need it for Mageia 3, hopefully in the default installation. <br>
+</span></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi. I have managed to build kmediafactory with additional fedora patches. <br><br></div>Corrects desktop file validation: kmediafactory-0.8.1-fdr-desktop_validate.patch<br></div>Fixes build ffmeg libraries in CMake.lst (and eliminates compiling error: kmediafactory-0.8.1-fdr-FindFFmpeg.patch<br>
+</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/29 Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+kmediafactory and redmine doesn&#39;t build, and I can&#39;t figure out how to fix it.<br>
+Can someone take a look at them?<br>
+<br>
+oar have a missing dependency, ruby-dbi.<br>
+ruby-dbi is in svn but not on mirrors. It is is it simply forgotten to submit? It builds fine on iurt.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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index 000000000..a7d915407
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@@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
+diff -up kmediafactory-0.8.1/src/kmediafactory.desktop.desktop_validate kmediafactory-0.8.1/src/kmediafactory.desktop
+--- kmediafactory-0.8.1/src/kmediafactory.desktop.desktop_validate	2011-08-01 02:47:08.000000000 -0500
++++ kmediafactory-0.8.1/src/kmediafactory.desktop	2012-11-26 08:38:01.039007506 -0600
+@@ -11,4 +11,4 @@ GenericName[fi]=DVD:n kokoaminen
+ Terminal=false
+ MimeType=application/x-kmediafactory;
+ X-KDE-NativeMimeType=application/x-kmediafactory;
+-Categories=KDE;AudioVideo;AudioVideoEditing
++Categories=KDE;AudioVideo;AudioVideoEditing;
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index 000000000..1d3e6ef22
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@@ -0,0 +1,55 @@
+diff -up kmediafactory-0.8.1/CMakeLists.txt.FindFFmpeg kmediafactory-0.8.1/CMakeLists.txt
+--- kmediafactory-0.8.1/CMakeLists.txt.FindFFmpeg	2012-11-26 08:23:48.502384898 -0600
++++ kmediafactory-0.8.1/CMakeLists.txt	2012-11-26 08:23:48.514384761 -0600
+@@ -53,8 +53,12 @@ macro_log_feature(DVDAUTHOR_EXECUTABLE "
+ find_program(MPEG2ENC_EXECUTABLE mpeg2enc)
+ macro_log_feature(MPEG2ENC_EXECUTABLE "mpeg2enc" "For making mpeg files" "http://mjpeg.sourceforge.net/" FALSE "" "NOTE: Is required runtime")
+ 
+-find_package(Ffmpeg REQUIRED)
+-macro_log_feature(FFMPEG_SWSCALE_FOUND "ffmpeg libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++find_package(FFmpeg REQUIRED)
++macro_log_feature(FFMPEG_FOUND "ffmpeg libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++macro_log_feature(AVCODEC_FOUND "ffmpeg avcodec libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++macro_log_feature(AVFORMAT_FOUND "ffmpeg avformat libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++macro_log_feature(AVUTIL_FOUND "ffmpeg avutil libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++macro_log_feature(SWSCALE_FOUND "ffmpeg swscale libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
+ 
+ # Optional packages
+ find_package(LibDvdread)
+diff -up kmediafactory-0.8.1/lib/CMakeLists.txt.FindFFmpeg kmediafactory-0.8.1/lib/CMakeLists.txt
+--- kmediafactory-0.8.1/lib/CMakeLists.txt.FindFFmpeg	2011-08-01 02:47:08.000000000 -0500
++++ kmediafactory-0.8.1/lib/CMakeLists.txt	2012-11-26 08:27:03.391015691 -0600
+@@ -1,6 +1,20 @@
+ add_subdirectory(pics)
+ 
+-include_directories(${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR} ${FFMPEG_INCLUDE_DIR})
++include_directories(
++  ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}
++  ${AVCODEC_INCLUDE_DIRS}
++  ${AVFORMAT_INCLUDE_DIRS}
++  ${AVUTIL_INCLUDE_DIRS}
++  ${SWSCALE_INCLUDE_DIRS}
++)
++
++add_definitions(
++  ${AVCODEC_DEFINITIONS}
++  ${AVFORMAT_DEFINITIONS}
++  ${AVUTIL_DEFINITIONS}
++  ${SWSCALE_DEFINITIONS}
++)
++
+ if(LIBDVDREAD_FOUND)
+    include_directories(${LIBDVDREAD_INCLUDE_DIR})
+ endif(LIBDVDREAD_FOUND)
+@@ -35,7 +49,10 @@ set(kmf_HEADERS
+ )
+ 
+ kde4_add_library(kmf SHARED ${kmf_LIB_SRCS})
+-target_link_libraries(kmf ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS} ${QT_QTXML_LIBRARY} ${KDE4_KUTILS_LIBS} ${XINE_LIBRARY} ${FONTCONFIG_LIBRARIES} ${FFMPEG_LIBRARIES})
++target_link_libraries(kmf 
++  ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS} ${QT_QTXML_LIBRARY} ${KDE4_KUTILS_LIBS} ${XINE_LIBRARY} ${FONTCONFIG_LIBRARIES} 
++  ${AVCODEC_LIBRARIES} ${AVFORMAT_LIBRARIES} ${AVUTIL_LIBRARIES} ${SWSCALE_LIBRARIES}
++)
+ if(LIBDVDREAD_FOUND)
+    target_link_libraries(kmf ${LIBDVDREAD_LIBRARY})
+ endif(LIBDVDREAD_FOUND)
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+%define develname %mklibname %name -d
+
+Name:		kmediafactory
+Version:	0.8.1
+Release:	%mkrel 3
+URL:		http://code.google.com/p/kmediafactory/
+Source0:	http://kmediafactory.googlecode.com/files/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+Patch0:		kmediafactory-0.8.1-ffmpeg0.11.patch
+Patch1:		kmediafactory-0.8.1-gcc47.patch
+Patch2:		kmediafactory-0.8.1-link.patch
+Patch3:         kmediafactory-0.8.1-fdr-desktop_validate.patch
+Patch4:         kmediafactory-0.8.1-fdr-FindFFmpeg.patch
+License:	GPLv2+
+Group:		Publishing
+Summary:	DVD menu generator
+BuildRequires:	kdelibs4-devel
+BuildRequires:	fontconfig-devel
+BuildRequires:	phonon-devel
+BuildRequires:	gettext
+BuildRequires:	zip
+BuildRequires:	dvdauthor
+BuildRequires:	ffmpeg
+BuildRequires:	mjpegtools
+BuildRequires:	libdvdread-devel
+BuildRequires:	ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires:	dvd-slideshow
+BuildRequires:	k3b
+BuildRequires:	xine-ui
+BuildRequires:	ghostscript
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libkexiv2)
+BuildRequires:  docbook-dtd42-xml
+BuildRequires:  docbook-style-xsl
+Requires:	zip
+Requires:	dvdauthor
+Requires:	ffmpeg
+Requires:	mjpegtools
+Requires:	dvd-slideshow
+Requires:	k3b
+Requires:	xine-ui
+Obsoletes:      kde4-%name < 0.6.0-4
+Provides:       kde4-%name = %version-%release
+
+%description
+KMediaFactory is an easy to use template based dvd authoring tool.
+You can quickly create DVD menus for home videos and TV recordings
+in three simple steps. 
+
+%files -f %{name}.lang
+%{_kde_bindir}/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/applications/kde4/*.desktop
+%{_kde_datadir}/config/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/config.kcfg/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/apps/kmediafactory*
+%{_kde_datadir}/apps/kmfwidgets
+%{_kde_datadir}/icons/*/*/*/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/kde4/services/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/kde4/servicetypes/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/mime/packages/kmediafactory.xml
+%{_kde_libdir}/kde4/*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kmediafactorykstore_major 0
+%define libkmediafactorykstore %mklibname kmediafactorykstore %{kmediafactorykstore_major}
+
+%package -n %libkmediafactorykstore
+Summary:    %name library
+Group:      System/Libraries
+Obsoletes:  %{mklibname kde4-kmediafactory 0}
+
+%description -n %libkmediafactorykstore
+%name library.
+
+%files -n %libkmediafactorykstore
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediafactorykstore.so.%{kmediafactorykstore_major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kmf_major 0
+%define libkmf %mklibname kmf %{kmf_major}
+
+%package -n %libkmf
+Summary: %name library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes:  %{mklibname kde4-kmediafactory 0}
+
+%description -n %libkmf
+%name library.
+
+%files -n %libkmf
+%_kde_libdir/libkmf.so.%{kmf_major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kmediafactoryinterfaces_major 0
+%define libkmediafactoryinterfaces %mklibname kmediafactoryinterfaces %{kmediafactoryinterfaces_major}
+
+%package -n %libkmediafactoryinterfaces
+Summary: %name library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes:  %{mklibname kde4-kmediafactory 0}
+
+%description -n %libkmediafactoryinterfaces
+%name library.
+
+%files -n %libkmediafactoryinterfaces
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediafactoryinterfaces.so.%{kmediafactoryinterfaces_major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%package -n	%{develname}
+Summary:	Development headers and libraries for %{name}
+Group:		Development/C++
+Requires:	%{libkmediafactoryinterfaces} = %{version}
+Requires:       %{libkmf} = %{version}
+Requires:       %{libkmediafactorykstore} = %{version}
+Provides:	lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+Provides:	%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+Obsoletes:	%mklibname -d %name 0
+Obsoletes:	%mklibname kde4-kmediafactory -d
+
+%description -n	%{develname}
+Development libraries and headers for %{name}.
+
+%files -n %{develname}
+%{_kde_includedir}/%{name}
+%{_kde_libdir}/lib*.so
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}
+%patch0 -p0 -b .ffmpeg
+%patch1 -p0 -b .gcc
+%patch2 -p0 -b .link
+%patch3 -p1
+%patch4 -p1
+
+%build
+%cmake_kde4
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std -C build
+
+desktop-file-install --vendor='' \
+	--dir=%buildroot%{_kde_datadir}/applications/kde4 \
+	--remove-key='Encoding' \
+	--remove-category='Application' \
+	--add-category='Qt;AudioVideoEditing' \
+	%buildroot%{_kde_datadir}/applications/kde4/*.desktop
+
+%find_lang %{name} --all-name --with-html
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment-0004.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment-0004.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..a7d915407
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment-0004.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
+diff -up kmediafactory-0.8.1/src/kmediafactory.desktop.desktop_validate kmediafactory-0.8.1/src/kmediafactory.desktop
+--- kmediafactory-0.8.1/src/kmediafactory.desktop.desktop_validate	2011-08-01 02:47:08.000000000 -0500
++++ kmediafactory-0.8.1/src/kmediafactory.desktop	2012-11-26 08:38:01.039007506 -0600
+@@ -11,4 +11,4 @@ GenericName[fi]=DVD:n kokoaminen
+ Terminal=false
+ MimeType=application/x-kmediafactory;
+ X-KDE-NativeMimeType=application/x-kmediafactory;
+-Categories=KDE;AudioVideo;AudioVideoEditing
++Categories=KDE;AudioVideo;AudioVideoEditing;
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment-0005.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment-0005.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..1d3e6ef22
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment-0005.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,55 @@
+diff -up kmediafactory-0.8.1/CMakeLists.txt.FindFFmpeg kmediafactory-0.8.1/CMakeLists.txt
+--- kmediafactory-0.8.1/CMakeLists.txt.FindFFmpeg	2012-11-26 08:23:48.502384898 -0600
++++ kmediafactory-0.8.1/CMakeLists.txt	2012-11-26 08:23:48.514384761 -0600
+@@ -53,8 +53,12 @@ macro_log_feature(DVDAUTHOR_EXECUTABLE "
+ find_program(MPEG2ENC_EXECUTABLE mpeg2enc)
+ macro_log_feature(MPEG2ENC_EXECUTABLE "mpeg2enc" "For making mpeg files" "http://mjpeg.sourceforge.net/" FALSE "" "NOTE: Is required runtime")
+ 
+-find_package(Ffmpeg REQUIRED)
+-macro_log_feature(FFMPEG_SWSCALE_FOUND "ffmpeg libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++find_package(FFmpeg REQUIRED)
++macro_log_feature(FFMPEG_FOUND "ffmpeg libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++macro_log_feature(AVCODEC_FOUND "ffmpeg avcodec libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++macro_log_feature(AVFORMAT_FOUND "ffmpeg avformat libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++macro_log_feature(AVUTIL_FOUND "ffmpeg avutil libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
++macro_log_feature(SWSCALE_FOUND "ffmpeg swscale libraries" "Parsing of mpeg files" "www.ffmpeg.org/" FALSE "" "")
+ 
+ # Optional packages
+ find_package(LibDvdread)
+diff -up kmediafactory-0.8.1/lib/CMakeLists.txt.FindFFmpeg kmediafactory-0.8.1/lib/CMakeLists.txt
+--- kmediafactory-0.8.1/lib/CMakeLists.txt.FindFFmpeg	2011-08-01 02:47:08.000000000 -0500
++++ kmediafactory-0.8.1/lib/CMakeLists.txt	2012-11-26 08:27:03.391015691 -0600
+@@ -1,6 +1,20 @@
+ add_subdirectory(pics)
+ 
+-include_directories(${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR} ${FFMPEG_INCLUDE_DIR})
++include_directories(
++  ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}
++  ${AVCODEC_INCLUDE_DIRS}
++  ${AVFORMAT_INCLUDE_DIRS}
++  ${AVUTIL_INCLUDE_DIRS}
++  ${SWSCALE_INCLUDE_DIRS}
++)
++
++add_definitions(
++  ${AVCODEC_DEFINITIONS}
++  ${AVFORMAT_DEFINITIONS}
++  ${AVUTIL_DEFINITIONS}
++  ${SWSCALE_DEFINITIONS}
++)
++
+ if(LIBDVDREAD_FOUND)
+    include_directories(${LIBDVDREAD_INCLUDE_DIR})
+ endif(LIBDVDREAD_FOUND)
+@@ -35,7 +49,10 @@ set(kmf_HEADERS
+ )
+ 
+ kde4_add_library(kmf SHARED ${kmf_LIB_SRCS})
+-target_link_libraries(kmf ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS} ${QT_QTXML_LIBRARY} ${KDE4_KUTILS_LIBS} ${XINE_LIBRARY} ${FONTCONFIG_LIBRARIES} ${FFMPEG_LIBRARIES})
++target_link_libraries(kmf 
++  ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS} ${QT_QTXML_LIBRARY} ${KDE4_KUTILS_LIBS} ${XINE_LIBRARY} ${FONTCONFIG_LIBRARIES} 
++  ${AVCODEC_LIBRARIES} ${AVFORMAT_LIBRARIES} ${AVUTIL_LIBRARIES} ${SWSCALE_LIBRARIES}
++)
+ if(LIBDVDREAD_FOUND)
+    target_link_libraries(kmf ${LIBDVDREAD_LIBRARY})
+ endif(LIBDVDREAD_FOUND)
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..bf845febb
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,12 @@
+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi. I have managed to build kmediafactory with additional fedora patches. <br><br></div>Corrects desktop file validation: kmediafactory-0.8.1-fdr-desktop_validate.patch<br></div>Fixes build ffmeg libraries in CMake.lst (and eliminates compiling error: kmediafactory-0.8.1-fdr-FindFFmpeg.patch<br>
+</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/29 Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+kmediafactory and redmine doesn&#39;t build, and I can&#39;t figure out how to fix it.<br>
+Can someone take a look at them?<br>
+<br>
+oar have a missing dependency, ruby-dbi.<br>
+ruby-dbi is in svn but not on mirrors. It is is it simply forgotten to submit? It builds fine on iurt.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment.obj b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment.obj
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..52299e45a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/756009f2/attachment.obj
@@ -0,0 +1,153 @@
+%define develname %mklibname %name -d
+
+Name:		kmediafactory
+Version:	0.8.1
+Release:	%mkrel 3
+URL:		http://code.google.com/p/kmediafactory/
+Source0:	http://kmediafactory.googlecode.com/files/%{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
+Patch0:		kmediafactory-0.8.1-ffmpeg0.11.patch
+Patch1:		kmediafactory-0.8.1-gcc47.patch
+Patch2:		kmediafactory-0.8.1-link.patch
+Patch3:         kmediafactory-0.8.1-fdr-desktop_validate.patch
+Patch4:         kmediafactory-0.8.1-fdr-FindFFmpeg.patch
+License:	GPLv2+
+Group:		Publishing
+Summary:	DVD menu generator
+BuildRequires:	kdelibs4-devel
+BuildRequires:	fontconfig-devel
+BuildRequires:	phonon-devel
+BuildRequires:	gettext
+BuildRequires:	zip
+BuildRequires:	dvdauthor
+BuildRequires:	ffmpeg
+BuildRequires:	mjpegtools
+BuildRequires:	libdvdread-devel
+BuildRequires:	ffmpeg-devel
+BuildRequires:	dvd-slideshow
+BuildRequires:	k3b
+BuildRequires:	xine-ui
+BuildRequires:	ghostscript
+BuildRequires:	pkgconfig(libkexiv2)
+BuildRequires:  docbook-dtd42-xml
+BuildRequires:  docbook-style-xsl
+Requires:	zip
+Requires:	dvdauthor
+Requires:	ffmpeg
+Requires:	mjpegtools
+Requires:	dvd-slideshow
+Requires:	k3b
+Requires:	xine-ui
+Obsoletes:      kde4-%name < 0.6.0-4
+Provides:       kde4-%name = %version-%release
+
+%description
+KMediaFactory is an easy to use template based dvd authoring tool.
+You can quickly create DVD menus for home videos and TV recordings
+in three simple steps. 
+
+%files -f %{name}.lang
+%{_kde_bindir}/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/applications/kde4/*.desktop
+%{_kde_datadir}/config/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/config.kcfg/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/apps/kmediafactory*
+%{_kde_datadir}/apps/kmfwidgets
+%{_kde_datadir}/icons/*/*/*/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/kde4/services/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/kde4/servicetypes/*
+%{_kde_datadir}/mime/packages/kmediafactory.xml
+%{_kde_libdir}/kde4/*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kmediafactorykstore_major 0
+%define libkmediafactorykstore %mklibname kmediafactorykstore %{kmediafactorykstore_major}
+
+%package -n %libkmediafactorykstore
+Summary:    %name library
+Group:      System/Libraries
+Obsoletes:  %{mklibname kde4-kmediafactory 0}
+
+%description -n %libkmediafactorykstore
+%name library.
+
+%files -n %libkmediafactorykstore
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediafactorykstore.so.%{kmediafactorykstore_major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kmf_major 0
+%define libkmf %mklibname kmf %{kmf_major}
+
+%package -n %libkmf
+Summary: %name library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes:  %{mklibname kde4-kmediafactory 0}
+
+%description -n %libkmf
+%name library.
+
+%files -n %libkmf
+%_kde_libdir/libkmf.so.%{kmf_major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%define kmediafactoryinterfaces_major 0
+%define libkmediafactoryinterfaces %mklibname kmediafactoryinterfaces %{kmediafactoryinterfaces_major}
+
+%package -n %libkmediafactoryinterfaces
+Summary: %name library
+Group: System/Libraries
+Obsoletes:  %{mklibname kde4-kmediafactory 0}
+
+%description -n %libkmediafactoryinterfaces
+%name library.
+
+%files -n %libkmediafactoryinterfaces
+%_kde_libdir/libkmediafactoryinterfaces.so.%{kmediafactoryinterfaces_major}*
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%package -n	%{develname}
+Summary:	Development headers and libraries for %{name}
+Group:		Development/C++
+Requires:	%{libkmediafactoryinterfaces} = %{version}
+Requires:       %{libkmf} = %{version}
+Requires:       %{libkmediafactorykstore} = %{version}
+Provides:	lib%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+Provides:	%{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+Obsoletes:	%mklibname -d %name 0
+Obsoletes:	%mklibname kde4-kmediafactory -d
+
+%description -n	%{develname}
+Development libraries and headers for %{name}.
+
+%files -n %{develname}
+%{_kde_includedir}/%{name}
+%{_kde_libdir}/lib*.so
+
+#--------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+%prep
+%setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}
+%patch0 -p0 -b .ffmpeg
+%patch1 -p0 -b .gcc
+%patch2 -p0 -b .link
+%patch3 -p1
+%patch4 -p1
+
+%build
+%cmake_kde4
+%make
+
+%install
+%makeinstall_std -C build
+
+desktop-file-install --vendor='' \
+	--dir=%buildroot%{_kde_datadir}/applications/kde4 \
+	--remove-key='Encoding' \
+	--remove-category='Application' \
+	--add-category='Qt;AudioVideoEditing' \
+	%buildroot%{_kde_datadir}/applications/kde4/*.desktop
+
+%find_lang %{name} --all-name --with-html
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/790c34e6/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/790c34e6/attachment-0001.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..33145262b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/790c34e6/attachment-0001.html
@@ -0,0 +1,74 @@
+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 28 Mar 2013 00:57, &quot;Glen Ogilvie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Has anyone done, or thought about, setting up some automated testing<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; of the Mageia installer?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am thinking something based on:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Auto_inst">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Auto_inst</a>, testing inside a VM, with<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; a range of different installer configurations, like:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * different languages<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * Free / non-free<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * package selections, minimal, full, custom<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * partitioning optons<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * LVM options<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * encryption options<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * filesystem types<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * software raid options<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * known error cases (too small / filesystem), /boot on something not supported<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * grub and grub2<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * different CPUs, RAM, architectures.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am thinking that if we had an auto-inst, with maybe 50 or so<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; different test cases, all of which would then be verified by an ssh<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; script connecting to the VM, or something like that.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve found 3 bugs recently, all of which would have been able to be<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; detected by something like what I am suggesting.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Suggestions so far are:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; nicolas vigier:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * For automatic testing it would be possible to use OS-autoinst :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.os-autoinst.org/">http://www.os-autoinst.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * What we need is someone to add support for Mageia installer :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/bmwiedemann/os-autoinst/tree/master/distri">https://github.com/bmwiedemann/os-autoinst/tree/master/distri</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Pierre-Malo Deniélou:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;Great idea. Can you prototype it? We should use something like that for <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; mageia 4.&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anne Nicolas:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;I remember some people starting something about it Furthermore it could<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; be interested to have some virtualization for basic tests once rebooted&quot;</p>
+<p dir="ltr">We had been talking about it at Mandriva times but I don&#39;t remember if something was done.</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Something like testing the install goes to the end + system starts with for example console on serial port in kvm to parse it for errors and check the dm comes up + maybe run run some automated test scripts.<br>
+
+</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/790c34e6/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/790c34e6/attachment.html
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..33145262b
--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130329/790c34e6/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,74 @@
+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On 28 Mar 2013 00:57, &quot;Glen Ogilvie&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz">nelg@linuxsolutions.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Has anyone done, or thought about, setting up some automated testing<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; of the Mageia installer?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am thinking something based on:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Auto_inst">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Auto_inst</a>, testing inside a VM, with<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; a range of different installer configurations, like:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * different languages<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * Free / non-free<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * package selections, minimal, full, custom<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * partitioning optons<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * LVM options<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * encryption options<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * filesystem types<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * software raid options<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * known error cases (too small / filesystem), /boot on something not supported<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * grub and grub2<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * different CPUs, RAM, architectures.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am thinking that if we had an auto-inst, with maybe 50 or so<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; different test cases, all of which would then be verified by an ssh<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; script connecting to the VM, or something like that.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve found 3 bugs recently, all of which would have been able to be<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; detected by something like what I am suggesting.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Suggestions so far are:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; nicolas vigier:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * For automatic testing it would be possible to use OS-autoinst :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.os-autoinst.org/">http://www.os-autoinst.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; * What we need is someone to add support for Mageia installer :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/bmwiedemann/os-autoinst/tree/master/distri">https://github.com/bmwiedemann/os-autoinst/tree/master/distri</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Pierre-Malo Deniélou:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;Great idea. Can you prototype it? We should use something like that for <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; mageia 4.&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anne Nicolas:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;I remember some people starting something about it Furthermore it could<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; be interested to have some virtualization for basic tests once rebooted&quot;</p>
+<p dir="ltr">We had been talking about it at Mandriva times but I don&#39;t remember if something was done.</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Something like testing the install goes to the end + system starts with for example console on serial port in kvm to parse it for errors and check the dm comes up + maybe run run some automated test scripts.<br>
+
+</p>
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@@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
+<div dir="ltr">Just wanted to get some input from both Fedora astronomy and mageia about which astronomy related packages to package next.  I&#39;m working in audela.  Also I&#39;ll be working on getting mesa as a rpm.  <br>
+</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130331/31c878f8/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130331/31c878f8/attachment.html
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@@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
+<div dir="ltr">Just wanted to get some input from both Fedora astronomy and mageia about which astronomy related packages to package next.  I&#39;m working in audela.  Also I&#39;ll be working on getting mesa as a rpm.  <br>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Just wanted to get some input from both Fedora astronomy and mageia about which astronomy related packages to package next.  I&#39;m working in audela.  Also I&#39;ll be working on getting mesa as a rpm.  <br>
+
+
+</div></blockquote><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra">What do you mean &quot;getting mesa as a rpm&quot;?</div><div class="gmail_extra">We already have mesa. Are you going to put a &quot;task-mesa&quot; meta rpm? </div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks. <br></div></div>
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+
+<div dir="ltr">Just wanted to get some input from both Fedora astronomy and mageia about which astronomy related packages to package next.  I&#39;m working in audela.  Also I&#39;ll be working on getting mesa as a rpm.  <br>
+
+
+</div></blockquote><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra">What do you mean &quot;getting mesa as a rpm&quot;?</div><div class="gmail_extra">We already have mesa. Are you going to put a &quot;task-mesa&quot; meta rpm? </div>
+
+<div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks. <br></div></div>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body >You want to package mesa? We already have it<br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Joseph Wang &lt;joequant@gmail.com&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : astronomy &lt;astronomy@lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;,mageia-dev &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : [Mageia-dev] Astronomy packages <br> <br><br><div dir="ltr">Just wanted to get some input from both Fedora astronomy and mageia about which astronomy related packages to package next.&nbsp; I'm working in audela.&nbsp; Also I'll be working on getting mesa as a rpm.&nbsp; <br>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body >You want to package mesa? We already have it<br><br><br>-------- Message d'origine --------<br>De : Joseph Wang &lt;joequant@gmail.com&gt; <br>Date :  <br>A : astronomy &lt;astronomy@lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;,mageia-dev &lt;mageia-dev@mageia.org&gt; <br>Objet : [Mageia-dev] Astronomy packages <br> <br><br><div dir="ltr">Just wanted to get some input from both Fedora astronomy and mageia about which astronomy related packages to package next.&nbsp; I'm working in audela.&nbsp; Also I'll be working on getting mesa as a rpm.&nbsp; <br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi there<br><br></div>We have released beta 4 but only classical installer isos. Live isos will be uploaded as soon as current work is done.<br><br><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/</a><br>
+<br></div>As usual we need your feedbacks!<br><br></div>Enjoy!<br clear="all"><div><div><div><div><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi there<br><br></div>We have released beta 4 but only classical installer isos. Live isos will be uploaded as soon as current work is done.<br><br><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/</a><br>
+<br></div>As usual we need your feedbacks!<br><br></div>Enjoy!<br clear="all"><div><div><div><div><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div></div></div></div>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On Mar 31, 2013 10:19 PM, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op zondag 31 maart 2013 00:52:08 schreef Thierry Vignaud:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On 31 March 2013 00:48, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; On 8 March 2013 07:54, AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Mar 08 07:12:59 localhost libvirtd[860]: Unable to issue hypervisor<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; ioctl 3166208: Permission non accordée<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; I applied a patch from FC that fixed the ioctl errors<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; BTW all FC patches seems to have been mergd in libvirt-1.0.3<br>
+&gt; &gt; See <a href="http://libvirt.org/news.html">http://libvirt.org/news.html</a> for changelog<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i have been testing libvirt-1.0.3 locally, due to a bug that kills libvirtd<br>
+&gt; when a domain has been shut down... unfortunately, it doesn&#39;t fix it... i&#39;m<br>
+&gt; trying to follow up with upstream to get this fixed... i hope i make it in<br>
+&gt; time...</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Then I hope you push 1.0.4 as it out today. <br>
+</p>
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+On Mar 31, 2013 10:19 PM, &quot;AL13N&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op zondag 31 maart 2013 00:52:08 schreef Thierry Vignaud:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On 31 March 2013 00:48, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<a href="mailto:thierry.vignaud@gmail.com">thierry.vignaud@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; On 8 March 2013 07:54, AL13N &lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Mar 08 07:12:59 localhost libvirtd[860]: Unable to issue hypervisor<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; ioctl 3166208: Permission non accordée<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; I applied a patch from FC that fixed the ioctl errors<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; BTW all FC patches seems to have been mergd in libvirt-1.0.3<br>
+&gt; &gt; See <a href="http://libvirt.org/news.html">http://libvirt.org/news.html</a> for changelog<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i have been testing libvirt-1.0.3 locally, due to a bug that kills libvirtd<br>
+&gt; when a domain has been shut down... unfortunately, it doesn&#39;t fix it... i&#39;m<br>
+&gt; trying to follow up with upstream to get this fixed... i hope i make it in<br>
+&gt; time...</p>
+<p dir="ltr">Then I hope you push 1.0.4 as it out today. <br>
+</p>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>I just noticed that both wcstools-devel and wcslib-devel create libraries named libwcs which causes a problem in linking to libwcs.so<br><br></div>Wondering if you have any thoughts on resolving the conflict.<br>
+<br></div>The other thing that I&#39;m wondering is if anyone has done a family tree of astronomy software.  It looks like there are three big families of professional astronomy tools<br><br></div>1) SAO - US tools <br></div>
+2) ESO <br></div>3) UK<br><br></div>Unfortunately we have a situation in which the WCS libraries from 1) and 2) end up colliding in name spaces.<br><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>I just noticed that both wcstools-devel and wcslib-devel create libraries named libwcs which causes a problem in linking to libwcs.so<br><br></div>Wondering if you have any thoughts on resolving the conflict.<br>
+<br></div>The other thing that I&#39;m wondering is if anyone has done a family tree of astronomy software.  It looks like there are three big families of professional astronomy tools<br><br></div>1) SAO - US tools <br></div>
+2) ESO <br></div>3) UK<br><br></div>Unfortunately we have a situation in which the WCS libraries from 1) and 2) end up colliding in name spaces.<br><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hello,<br><br></div>Please, submit abntex2 1.6 version. This update improve several features from previous release.<br></div>Thanks;<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2013/2/26 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 26/02/2013 17:55, Filipe Saraiva a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+abntex2 1.5 version add support to abbreviations and symbol list, fix<br>
+the format of author names in quotes, and fix the format of references<br>
+with iso-690-1987 encode option.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Done.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #51:<br>
+<br>
+Cosmic ray particles crashed through the hard disk platter<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hello,<br><br></div>Please, submit abntex2 1.6 version. This update improve several features from previous release.<br></div>Thanks;<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2013/2/26 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 26/02/2013 17:55, Filipe Saraiva a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+abntex2 1.5 version add support to abbreviations and symbol list, fix<br>
+the format of author names in quotes, and fix the format of references<br>
+with iso-690-1987 encode option.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Done.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+-- <br>
+BOFH excuse #51:<br>
+<br>
+Cosmic ray particles crashed through the hard disk platter<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>2013/4/2 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>&gt; Since
+ a few days, I&#39;m getting mail through this list. But given their 
+content, I don&#39;t any added value to keep it separated from the main 
+mageia-dev one...<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span>It&#39;s not a list, it&#39;s the contact address for packagers team listed here: <a href="https://www.mageia.org/en/contact/">https://www.mageia.org/en/contact/</a><br>
+<br></div>You can just filter it out, if it disturbs you as it does have a different receiver address then the dev-ml.<br><br></div>But it would be hardly fair to ask the team leaders to answer those mails alone.<br></div>
+And as I see it, the amount of mails coming in that way is not all that large. Just a few mails per month...<br><br></div>Oliver<br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>2013/4/2 Guillaume Rousse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:guillomovitch@gmail.com" target="_blank">guillomovitch@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>&gt; Since
+ a few days, I&#39;m getting mail through this list. But given their 
+content, I don&#39;t any added value to keep it separated from the main 
+mageia-dev one...<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span>It&#39;s not a list, it&#39;s the contact address for packagers team listed here: <a href="https://www.mageia.org/en/contact/">https://www.mageia.org/en/contact/</a><br>
+<br></div>You can just filter it out, if it disturbs you as it does have a different receiver address then the dev-ml.<br><br></div>But it would be hardly fair to ask the team leaders to answer those mails alone.<br></div>
+And as I see it, the amount of mails coming in that way is not all that large. Just a few mails per month...<br><br></div>Oliver<br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>I do think it is important to have contact addresses. Not only mailing lists, you have to subscribe.<br></div>It&#39;s the only way to get questions and feedback from people who only have a simple question or feedback to give and don&#39;t want to subscribe an ml for that which they would have to unsubscribe again after they get the answer they are interested in.<br>
+
+</div>The only question - as I see it - is, who should get those mails?<br></div>And I think the best idea is for the whole teams in question to get them because otherwise you will have to find someone with too much time on his hands.<br>
+
+<br>And by the way, just to state a number about the incoming traffic using this mail address<br>All in all I found 5 - in words FIVE - threads in my gmail account, which were addressed to the packagers@ address, including an mail from bugzilla about a bug report complaining about the many mails, the contributor gets that way...<br>
+<br></div>I have to wonder if that is not an allergic reaction to user interference...<br><br></div>Oliver<br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>I do think it is important to have contact addresses. Not only mailing lists, you have to subscribe.<br></div>It&#39;s the only way to get questions and feedback from people who only have a simple question or feedback to give and don&#39;t want to subscribe an ml for that which they would have to unsubscribe again after they get the answer they are interested in.<br>
+
+</div>The only question - as I see it - is, who should get those mails?<br></div>And I think the best idea is for the whole teams in question to get them because otherwise you will have to find someone with too much time on his hands.<br>
+
+<br>And by the way, just to state a number about the incoming traffic using this mail address<br>All in all I found 5 - in words FIVE - threads in my gmail account, which were addressed to the packagers@ address, including an mail from bugzilla about a bug report complaining about the many mails, the contributor gets that way...<br>
+<br></div>I have to wonder if that is not an allergic reaction to user interference...<br><br></div>Oliver<br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">2013/4/3 nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org" target="_blank">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span><br>&gt; If the problem with the mailing list is that people need to subscribe to<br>
+&gt; be able to post, maybe we can change this. It will probably increase<br>&gt; spam a little if we allow anybody to post, but we can try it to see if<br>&gt; that would be ok.<br>
+&gt;<br>The problem is, people usually answer to the ml without adding the original author of that mail in CC. So the author of the mail will never get the replys, when he is not subscribed to the list.<br><div class="gmail_extra">
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">And really I don&#39;t understand the fuss about this, if people don&#39;t want to read those mails, just configure your mailbox to filter them, or ignore them.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+This should be quite easy, as we are talking about ~4 mails/month!<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">2013/4/3 nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org" target="_blank">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span><br>&gt; If the problem with the mailing list is that people need to subscribe to<br>
+&gt; be able to post, maybe we can change this. It will probably increase<br>&gt; spam a little if we allow anybody to post, but we can try it to see if<br>&gt; that would be ok.<br>
+&gt;<br>The problem is, people usually answer to the ml without adding the original author of that mail in CC. So the author of the mail will never get the replys, when he is not subscribed to the list.<br><div class="gmail_extra">
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">And really I don&#39;t understand the fuss about this, if people don&#39;t want to read those mails, just configure your mailbox to filter them, or ignore them.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
+This should be quite easy, as we are talking about ~4 mails/month!<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/3 Barry Jackson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:zen25000@zen.co.uk" target="_blank">zen25000@zen.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 02/04/13 08:46, Sander Lepik wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+02.04.2013 03:31, Barry Jackson kirjutas:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I will try to test rebuild all the packages using boost in i586 in<br>
+iurt in the next few days - just wish urpmi-proxy would work with<br>
+iurt (if anyone knows how to enable extra media in iurt let me<br>
+know)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+My iurt command with local repo that is soft-linked into /media:<br>
+LC_ALL=C linux32 iurt --delete-on-success --chrooted-urpmi<br>
+<a href="http://my.domain.com/mga/distrib" target="_blank">http://my.domain.com/mga/<u></u>distrib</a> --media core/release local/release -r<br>
+cauldron i586<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Thanks Sander,<br>
+That helped a lot, the --help in iurt is wrong on --media which threw me.<br>
+<br>
+i586 test builds are almost complete. Unfortunately KDE was bumped in svn which complicated testing, but all seems fine with the new and current versions.<br><br>
+</blockquote></div>It should not be a real problem since it&#39;s a bug fix release (4.10.2 instead of 4.10.1), also you can probably simply rebuild kde&#39;s srpm instead of fetching from svn.<br><br clear="all"><div><br>
+
+</div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/3 Barry Jackson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:zen25000@zen.co.uk" target="_blank">zen25000@zen.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 02/04/13 08:46, Sander Lepik wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+02.04.2013 03:31, Barry Jackson kirjutas:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I will try to test rebuild all the packages using boost in i586 in<br>
+iurt in the next few days - just wish urpmi-proxy would work with<br>
+iurt (if anyone knows how to enable extra media in iurt let me<br>
+know)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+My iurt command with local repo that is soft-linked into /media:<br>
+LC_ALL=C linux32 iurt --delete-on-success --chrooted-urpmi<br>
+<a href="http://my.domain.com/mga/distrib" target="_blank">http://my.domain.com/mga/<u></u>distrib</a> --media core/release local/release -r<br>
+cauldron i586<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Thanks Sander,<br>
+That helped a lot, the --help in iurt is wrong on --media which threw me.<br>
+<br>
+i586 test builds are almost complete. Unfortunately KDE was bumped in svn which complicated testing, but all seems fine with the new and current versions.<br><br>
+</blockquote></div>It should not be a real problem since it&#39;s a bug fix release (4.10.2 instead of 4.10.1), also you can probably simply rebuild kde&#39;s srpm instead of fetching from svn.<br><br clear="all"><div><br>
+
+</div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi there,<br><br></div>a few days ago I finally got an email from the Belin Linuxtag organization, telling me, Mageia was accepted as a project for this year&#39;s Linuxtag.<br>
+<br></div>Linuxtag will take place from May 22nd till May 25th at the Belin fair grounds.<br><br></div>If you would like to come to Berlin, please register yourself here:<br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Linuxtag_2013#Who_will_be_there_-_Wer_ist_da">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Linuxtag_2013#Who_will_be_there_-_Wer_ist_da</a><br>
+<br></div>We also do need some more booth attendants, so feel free to volunteer for this as well.<br></div><br>Linuxtag is an international event, many talks are held in English but most of the people there are native German speakers, so we are going to have at least one German speaking booth attendant at all times.<br>
+</div>But that doesn&#39;t mean, we cannot use others, who don&#39;t speak German at the same time...<br><br></div>See you in Berlin,<br><br></div>Oliver<br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi there,<br><br></div>a few days ago I finally got an email from the Belin Linuxtag organization, telling me, Mageia was accepted as a project for this year&#39;s Linuxtag.<br>
+<br></div>Linuxtag will take place from May 22nd till May 25th at the Belin fair grounds.<br><br></div>If you would like to come to Berlin, please register yourself here:<br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Linuxtag_2013#Who_will_be_there_-_Wer_ist_da">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Linuxtag_2013#Who_will_be_there_-_Wer_ist_da</a><br>
+<br></div>We also do need some more booth attendants, so feel free to volunteer for this as well.<br></div><br>Linuxtag is an international event, many talks are held in English but most of the people there are native German speakers, so we are going to have at least one German speaking booth attendant at all times.<br>
+</div>But that doesn&#39;t mean, we cannot use others, who don&#39;t speak German at the same time...<br><br></div>See you in Berlin,<br><br></div>Oliver<br></div>
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+diff --git a/src/YUIException.h b/src/YUIException.h
+index f0dcb21..91ee5a0 100644
+--- a/src/YUIException.h
++++ b/src/YUIException.h
+@@ -147,7 +147,7 @@ class YWidget;
+ #define YUI_CHECK_NEW( PTR )				\
+     do							\
+     {							\
+-	if ( ! (PTR) )					\
++	if ( (PTR == 0) )					\
+ 	{						\
+ 	    YUI_THROW( YUIOutOfMemoryException() );	\
+ 	}						\
+@@ -162,7 +162,7 @@ class YWidget;
+ #define YUI_CHECK_PTR( PTR )				\
+     do							\
+     {							\
+-	if ( ! (PTR) )					\
++	if ( (PTR == 0) )					\
+ 	{						\
+ 	    YUI_THROW( YUINullPointerException() );	\
+ 	}						\
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+index f0dcb21..91ee5a0 100644
+--- a/src/YUIException.h
++++ b/src/YUIException.h
+@@ -147,7 +147,7 @@ class YWidget;
+ #define YUI_CHECK_NEW( PTR )				\
+     do							\
+     {							\
+-	if ( ! (PTR) )					\
++	if ( (PTR == 0) )					\
+ 	{						\
+ 	    YUI_THROW( YUIOutOfMemoryException() );	\
+ 	}						\
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+ #define YUI_CHECK_PTR( PTR )				\
+     do							\
+     {							\
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>please push maven-ant-tasks ( fixes build )</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>D.</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>please push maven-ant-tasks ( fixes build )</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>D.</div></div>
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+<div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I have started a wiki page (and included guillaume&#39;s comments about perl packages)</div><div><br></div><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packages_Not_Rebuilt_Since_Mageia_1" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packages_Not_Rebuilt_Since_Mageia_1</a><div>
+
+
+<br></div><div>There are 22 packages left</div><div><br></div><div>Please help filling in the table so that we can quickly decide which ones to drop and fix the other ones</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130405/842da6e0/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130405/842da6e0/attachment.html
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+<div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I have started a wiki page (and included guillaume&#39;s comments about perl packages)</div><div><br></div><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packages_Not_Rebuilt_Since_Mageia_1" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packages_Not_Rebuilt_Since_Mageia_1</a><div>
+
+
+<br></div><div>There are 22 packages left</div><div><br></div><div>Please help filling in the table so that we can quickly decide which ones to drop and fix the other ones</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130405/8d7acbe6/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20130405/8d7acbe6/attachment-0001.html
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div dir="ltr"><br>I added a comment for kaption, the only thing that has to be done is to push it to the build system</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do you mean that it was tested and the new version is working (at least) as well as the current one? </div>
+
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div dir="ltr"><br>I added a comment for kaption, the only thing that has to be done is to push it to the build system</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do you mean that it was tested and the new version is working (at least) as well as the current one? </div>
+
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br>I added a comment for kaption, the only thing that has to be done is to push it to the build system</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/5 Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I have started a wiki page (and included guillaume&#39;s comments about perl packages)</div>
+<div><br></div><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packages_Not_Rebuilt_Since_Mageia_1" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packages_Not_Rebuilt_Since_Mageia_1</a><div>
+
+
+<br></div><div>There are 22 packages left</div><div><br></div><div>Please help filling in the table so that we can quickly decide which ones to drop and fix the other ones</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br>I added a comment for kaption, the only thing that has to be done is to push it to the build system</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/5 Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I have started a wiki page (and included guillaume&#39;s comments about perl packages)</div>
+<div><br></div><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packages_Not_Rebuilt_Since_Mageia_1" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packages_Not_Rebuilt_Since_Mageia_1</a><div>
+
+
+<br></div><div>There are 22 packages left</div><div><br></div><div>Please help filling in the table so that we can quickly decide which ones to drop and fix the other ones</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+</div>
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+Can someone fix uclibc?<div><br></div><div>It has been causing other autobuilds to fail many times as it will fork until the system is out of resources</div><div><br></div><div><div>make CROSS=&quot;&quot; CC=&quot;gcc&quot; -C utils utils is requesting ../lib/libc.so.0.9.30.3 (before the lib exists) and it will try recursively to build lib/libc.so.0.9.30.3 until it fails to fork</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div>
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+Can someone fix uclibc?<div><br></div><div>It has been causing other autobuilds to fail many times as it will fork until the system is out of resources</div><div><br></div><div><div>make CROSS=&quot;&quot; CC=&quot;gcc&quot; -C utils utils is requesting ../lib/libc.so.0.9.30.3 (before the lib exists) and it will try recursively to build lib/libc.so.0.9.30.3 until it fails to fork</div>
+
+</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On Saturday 6. April 2013 06.35, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt; Johnny A. Solbu a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; According to the link above, there are 14 packages that needs to be fixed, or removed.<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; did a little research to hopefully help a bit, on packages still in the list.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Nice! :-)=<br>
+Suddenly debugging these last few packages get&#39;s easier to do.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; &gt; mcabber<br>
+&gt; &quot;libotr.so.2 not found&quot;<br>
+&gt; in libotr2-3.2.0-5.2.mga2.i586.html<br>
+<br>
+</div>libotr changed «major» version from 2 to 5 in october last year. (According to the libotr spec file.)<br>
+That broke mcabber, it doesn&#39;t build. It says it needs libotr 3.1.0 or newer, and we have libotr 4.0.0, so I don&#39;t understand why it fails to build.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Probably because they said so when 3.1.0 was released, and never updated it for newer versions and never updated the statement.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>We have 0.10.1 (from 2010) while 0.10.2 was released in December 2012. Probably worth a try even if the changelog doesn&#39;t mention anything related to it.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">
+&gt; &gt; perl-Task-Dist-Zilla<br>
+&gt; &quot;perl(Dist::Zilla::PluginBundle::CJM) not found&quot;<br>
+&gt; according to CPAN, it is a &quot;depreciated module for CJM&quot;<br>
+&gt; Maybe see jquelin about this ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>&gt; &gt; qutecom<br>
+<br>
+Fixed by Funda.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; &gt; redmine<br>
+&gt; &quot;ruby-ruby-debug not found&quot;<br>
+&gt; in mga1 and mga2, tagged only mga1 ; removed from cauldron ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>ruby-ruby-debug is obsoleted by ruby-ruby-debug19, and a comment in spec says that it intentionally doesn&#39;t provide the obsoleted package.<br>
+<br>
+A new version of redmine, where the obsoleted dependency was removed, is in svn but doesn&#39;t build.<br>
+Here is the autobuild log for v2.2.0. v2.2.3 (latest svn version) fails localy with the same error:<br>
+<a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/cauldron/x86_64/core/2013-03-26/redmine-2.2.0-1.mga3.src.rpm/build.0.20130326123941.log" target="_blank">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/cauldron/x86_64/core/2013-03-26/redmine-2.2.0-1.mga3.src.rpm/build.0.20130326123941.log</a><br>
+
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On Saturday 6. April 2013 06.35, andre999 wrote:<br>
+&gt; Johnny A. Solbu a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html" target="_blank">http://check.mageia.org/cauldron/dependencies.html</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; According to the link above, there are 14 packages that needs to be fixed, or removed.<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; did a little research to hopefully help a bit, on packages still in the list.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Nice! :-)=<br>
+Suddenly debugging these last few packages get&#39;s easier to do.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; &gt; mcabber<br>
+&gt; &quot;libotr.so.2 not found&quot;<br>
+&gt; in libotr2-3.2.0-5.2.mga2.i586.html<br>
+<br>
+</div>libotr changed «major» version from 2 to 5 in october last year. (According to the libotr spec file.)<br>
+That broke mcabber, it doesn&#39;t build. It says it needs libotr 3.1.0 or newer, and we have libotr 4.0.0, so I don&#39;t understand why it fails to build.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Probably because they said so when 3.1.0 was released, and never updated it for newer versions and never updated the statement.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>We have 0.10.1 (from 2010) while 0.10.2 was released in December 2012. Probably worth a try even if the changelog doesn&#39;t mention anything related to it.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">
+&gt; &gt; perl-Task-Dist-Zilla<br>
+&gt; &quot;perl(Dist::Zilla::PluginBundle::CJM) not found&quot;<br>
+&gt; according to CPAN, it is a &quot;depreciated module for CJM&quot;<br>
+&gt; Maybe see jquelin about this ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>&gt; &gt; qutecom<br>
+<br>
+Fixed by Funda.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; &gt; redmine<br>
+&gt; &quot;ruby-ruby-debug not found&quot;<br>
+&gt; in mga1 and mga2, tagged only mga1 ; removed from cauldron ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>ruby-ruby-debug is obsoleted by ruby-ruby-debug19, and a comment in spec says that it intentionally doesn&#39;t provide the obsoleted package.<br>
+<br>
+A new version of redmine, where the obsoleted dependency was removed, is in svn but doesn&#39;t build.<br>
+Here is the autobuild log for v2.2.0. v2.2.3 (latest svn version) fails localy with the same error:<br>
+<a href="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/cauldron/x86_64/core/2013-03-26/redmine-2.2.0-1.mga3.src.rpm/build.0.20130326123941.log" target="_blank">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/cauldron/x86_64/core/2013-03-26/redmine-2.2.0-1.mga3.src.rpm/build.0.20130326123941.log</a><br>
+
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div dir="ltr">Yes, i use it in my system without any problem</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/5 Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div dir="ltr"><br>I added a comment for kaption, the only thing that has to be done is to push it to the build system</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do you mean that it was tested and the new version is working (at least) as well as the current one? </div>
+
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Yes, i use it in my system without any problem</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/4/5 Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div dir="ltr"><br>I added a comment for kaption, the only thing that has to be done is to push it to the build system</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do you mean that it was tested and the new version is working (at least) as well as the current one? </div>
+
+
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">this is not allowed per policy, we have the latest 3.5.x release.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:01 AM, André Salaün <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andresalaun@free.fr" target="_blank">andresalaun@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is it planed to ugrade Libreoffice in Mageia 2 ?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+A.Salaün<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">this is not allowed per policy, we have the latest 3.5.x release.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:01 AM, André Salaün <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andresalaun@free.fr" target="_blank">andresalaun@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is it planed to ugrade Libreoffice in Mageia 2 ?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+A.Salaün<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+index 337fa36..aee8d5e 100644
+--- a/src/YApplication.cc
++++ b/src/YApplication.cc
+@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ struct YApplicationPrivate
+ YApplication::YApplication()
+     : priv( new YApplicationPrivate() )
+ {
+-    YUI_CHECK_NEW( priv );
++    YUI_CHECK_NEW( priv.get() );
+     priv->iconLoader = new YIconLoader();
+     YCommandLine cmdLine; // Retrieve command line args from /proc/<pid>/cmdline
+     if ( cmdLine.argc() > 0 )
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+diff --git a/src/YApplication.cc b/src/YApplication.cc
+index 337fa36..aee8d5e 100644
+--- a/src/YApplication.cc
++++ b/src/YApplication.cc
+@@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ struct YApplicationPrivate
+ YApplication::YApplication()
+     : priv( new YApplicationPrivate() )
+ {
+-    YUI_CHECK_NEW( priv );
++    YUI_CHECK_NEW( priv.get() );
+     priv->iconLoader = new YIconLoader();
+     YCommandLine cmdLine; // Retrieve command line args from /proc/<pid>/cmdline
+     if ( cmdLine.argc() > 0 )
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+index be1cea9..fb0c43c 100644
+--- a/src/ImplPtr.h
++++ b/src/ImplPtr.h
+@@ -25,6 +25,9 @@
+ #ifndef ImplPtr_h
+ #define ImplPtr_h
+ 
++//#include <boost/config/select_compiler_config.hpp>
++#define BOOST_NO_CXX11_EXPLICIT_CONVERSION_OPERATORS
++
+ #include <boost/noncopyable.hpp>
+ #include <boost/scoped_ptr.hpp>
+ 
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+--- a/src/ImplPtr.h
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+@@ -25,6 +25,9 @@
+ #ifndef ImplPtr_h
+ #define ImplPtr_h
+ 
++//#include <boost/config/select_compiler_config.hpp>
++#define BOOST_NO_CXX11_EXPLICIT_CONVERSION_OPERATORS
++
+ #include <boost/noncopyable.hpp>
+ #include <boost/scoped_ptr.hpp>
+ 
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juergen.harms@unige.ch" target="_blank">juergen.harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 04/09/2013 11:03 AM, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+... cross-avr-gcc ...<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+The current package has the same rpmlint warnings so you don&#39;t need to<br>
+fix this right now INHO. The hardlinks are only a problem when /usr/bin<br>
+is on a different filesystem than /usr.<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+I see there are still packages being pushed - if I manage tomorrow to submit a new cross-avr-gcc, would that still have a chance to get pushed before the freeze? would be nice if Mageia-3 contains a properly working avr cross compiler - and would reduce the count of packages that dont build.<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, given that current version can not even be installed, I don&#39;t think anyone will argue against getting the package pushed, it can&#39;t be worse.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+(no need to upgrade the avr-binutils package from 2.20 to 2.23 to satisfy that dependency: cross-avr-gcc seems to build and work correctly with cross-avr-binutils-2.20 which is presently in cauldron).<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+
+<br>
+Juergen<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juergen.harms@unige.ch" target="_blank">juergen.harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im">On 04/09/2013 11:03 AM, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+... cross-avr-gcc ...<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+The current package has the same rpmlint warnings so you don&#39;t need to<br>
+fix this right now INHO. The hardlinks are only a problem when /usr/bin<br>
+is on a different filesystem than /usr.<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+I see there are still packages being pushed - if I manage tomorrow to submit a new cross-avr-gcc, would that still have a chance to get pushed before the freeze? would be nice if Mageia-3 contains a properly working avr cross compiler - and would reduce the count of packages that dont build.<br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, given that current version can not even be installed, I don&#39;t think anyone will argue against getting the package pushed, it can&#39;t be worse.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+(no need to upgrade the avr-binutils package from 2.20 to 2.23 to satisfy that dependency: cross-avr-gcc seems to build and work correctly with cross-avr-binutils-2.20 which is presently in cauldron).<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+
+<br>
+Juergen<br>
+<br>
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