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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100926/7a9fabaf/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100926/7a9fabaf/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..602f7f1bf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20100926/7a9fabaf/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +2010/9/26 Tux99 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im"> +> memory only (use 1GB swap?)? Were you able to install the 2010.1?<br> +<br> +</div>Centos 4 installs and runs perfectly fine on a Pentium II 350Mhz with<br> +128MB RAM, I know it because I installed such a box for a friend as home<br> +server running 24/7 (with DNS server, apache and some other stuff).<br> +I didn't try Mandriva since it lacks long term support.<br> +<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Centos4 IS NOT a modern distro. It is a LTS started in 2005 and so it maintains 2005's original skeleton of kernel, gcc, glibc and X. That's FIVE years old. As example MDV 2007.1, which is 3 years old, was still very usable and responsive on my P4/ATI (maybe not as much as stable with 3D acceleration), but 2010.0 ISN'T.<br> + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im"> +> Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware<br> +> like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or<br> +> desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled<br> +> carefully.<br> +<br> +</div>You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is<br> +being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries.<br> +Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs.<br></blockquote><div><br>I don't want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can't (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of failures. That's why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based on own experiences.<br> +<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<br> +With regards to ISA cards, you can even still buy brand new modern mobos<br> +with ISA slots right here in Europe, they are still common for<br> +industrial uses:<br> +<a href="http://www.spectra.de/produkte/114184/web/spectra/Datenblatt-PMB-601LF.pdf?CFID=92074854-8638-47f6-a589-6517cde18fb1&CFTOKEN=0" target="_blank">http://www.spectra.de/produkte/114184/web/spectra/Datenblatt-PMB-601LF.pdf?CFID=92074854-8638-47f6-a589-6517cde18fb1&CFTOKEN=0</a><br> +</blockquote><div><br>Very interesting, but will such "industrial use" will be target for Mageia (BTW, certainly socket 775 CPU will support SSE and SSE2...)? If they have an ISA slot, I guess is for maintaning the compatibility with some old fancy (and maybe custom) card, certainly not for an ISA ethernet card that can be easily replaced with a cheap PCI one or the one on board.<br> +<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<div class="im"><br> +> I'm not speaking about exclusion but about including or optimizing for arch<br> +> and hardware that NOBODY will use anymore, because can't.<br> +<br> +</div>The optimization you are talking about (which will increase<br> +performance by a few percentage points at most, not noticeable at all<br> +in practice) means that the distro will be unusable for others.<br> +<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div> <br>Not exactly. I'm not talking in just using -march=<something> but in also pushing -mfpmath=sse -msse (and maybe -msse2) , which should be much more than JUST 1-2% (1-2% is usually the benchmark tolerance)...Indeed the original idea was of having real .i586, .k6, .k7.rpm, .viac3, .viac7.rpm RPM packages, at least for the core ones: some time ago, when I was fighting with having a non-crashing kernel for the dedibox, I had started adding such "dialects" to the RPM macros (but problems were on the glibc package), but being realistic I think it's a lot of work and there aren't the resources, so a choice of the default flags should be done.<br> +<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div> |