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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 08 maart 2011 22:28:04 schreef Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 08 mars 2011 &#224; 21:40 +0100, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Quote: Maarten Vanraes wrote on Mon, 07 March 2011 20:28
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; imho, there is just no good one except xine-ui, but the upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; support is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; dwindling for it, and their own toolkitted stuff just doesn't look good
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; i was thinking, even though i use kde, maybe gxine would be ok.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Personally I still use xine-ui for DVD playback but my next best choice
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for DVDs would be totem (since it uses the xine libs).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> totem use gstreamer.
+</I>
+from spec file:
+
+it looks like it requires gstreamer, but what is this?
+
+Provides: %name-common %name-gstreamer %name-xine
+
+
+does it have both? i was fairly sure it use(d) xine internally? was that
+changed?
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com
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+<PRE>On 8 March 2011 20:23, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I was about to upgrade gsoap from 2.7.17 to new 2.8.1,
+</I>&gt;<i> well i did indeed, when i noticed that the license changed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So i decided to ask upstream and i've realized they don't
+</I>&gt;<i> allow to ship gsoap tools (e.g wsdl2h and soapcpp2) and
+</I>&gt;<i> source code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In addition license on:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/soaplicense.html">http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/soaplicense.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> is not very clear and Fedora should remove it soon.
+</I>&gt;<i> I believe we should do the same at least until something does not change
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Since virtualbox in Mageia repos had BR gsoap, I've removed this BR,
+and rebuilt packages should be available in the repos soon.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Rapha&#235;l Jadot</B>
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+<PRE>Le 8 mars 2011 23:59, Rapha&#235;l Jadot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ashledombos at hodo.fr</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/3/8 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 08 March 2011 18:11:11, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tsktsk, my post probably ends up being labelled as flamebait, troll, too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> long and boring, biased and what not..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This list is not write only...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you've got personnal problem with dmorgan just send him a personal email i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't care, but i guess that ennael wrote 3 hours before this last mail from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you that mageia seems to have choose rpm.org so maybe we can really close this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subject/thread for now instead of talking again &amp; again about the fantastic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm(5).org feature/upstream/it's a revolution/another apple commercial
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here/etc etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's just boring...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mm ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I have not the feeling that it was the subject... i read again... ok
+</I>&gt;<i> he seems to have a great +1 to rpm5, but i did not see that he wanted
+</I>&gt;<i> insisted or moan in order we use rpm5...
+</I>&gt;<i> The mails are hard to read, and long, and very technicals, &#160;but what
+</I>&gt;<i> catched my eyes is some things like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;level of compatibility&quot; between Mageia &amp; rpm5 is far greater than any
+</I>&gt;<i> other (with
+</I>&gt;<i> other rpm5 based distros being more compatible with Mageia than Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> is with non-rpm5 based distros as well&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> So it doesn't mean we have to move to rpm5 for being compatible with
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm5, so where is the problem ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just wonder, why having discussions about technical things like
+</I>&gt;<i> adults is impossible ? are rpm.org and rpm5 religions ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if Per Oyvind offers help, unless there are hidden things i do not
+</I>&gt;<i> understand, and if he can improve rpm.org or compatibility stuff or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever, why nobody says &quot;ok, why not, tell us, maybe you could help,
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe not&quot; Did not find it (at least in this ML)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems it's not the first time, in this mail
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> he told &#160;&quot;(if interested, I could help assist you on writing something
+</I>&gt;<i> equivalent for compatibility wrapping similar to what I did in the
+</I>&gt;<i> past with rpm4compat.h &amp; rpm46compat.h to make ie. URPM able to use
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm 4.4 &amp; 4.6 api with rpm5, let's say rpm5compat.h or something).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whatever you end up doing, don't be afraid of asking or trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> communicate on, the mutual benefits of collaboration are rather
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious. &lt;;o)
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, sorry for imposing.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This mail had no answer, so what, is this guy a kind of antichrist of
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm , talking with sugar words and trying to backstab you ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And at least, If the question are asked over and over, why is there so
+</I>&gt;<i> few things in archives about it ? Sure every one knows mageia will not
+</I>&gt;<i> hurry to go to rpm5 tomorow, and so what ? If some are bored about
+</I>&gt;<i> some related questions, why not opening a FAQ that explain it, or that
+</I>&gt;<i> just point to the related archive/topic (which could be this one) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry but I hate people bashing when i don't understand it. So if
+</I>&gt;<i> there are personal anger, try to get over, or explain and communicate
+</I>&gt;<i> better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RJ
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ok, i can't redo what i have done, so i did not meant that we, mageia
+people, are bad people that don't listen what Po Karlsen has to say.
+Just tell... well i want mageia to live long and be a great project, i
+also like mandriva. I don't want to see people bashing, i want to see
+adults people, no rants, no anger, no religion war etc.
+and that's all.
+
+RJ
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+<PRE>2011/3/9 Rapha&#235;l Jadot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ashledombos at hodo.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2011/3/8 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 08 March 2011 18:11:11, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tsktsk, my post probably ends up being labelled as flamebait, troll, too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> long and boring, biased and what not..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This list is not write only...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you've got personnal problem with dmorgan just send him a personal email i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't care, but i guess that ennael wrote 3 hours before this last mail from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you that mageia seems to have choose rpm.org so maybe we can really close this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subject/thread for now instead of talking again &amp; again about the fantastic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm(5).org feature/upstream/it's a revolution/another apple commercial
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here/etc etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's just boring...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mm ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I have not the feeling that it was the subject... i read again... ok
+</I>&gt;<i> he seems to have a great +1 to rpm5, but i did not see that he wanted
+</I>&gt;<i> insisted or moan in order we use rpm5...
+</I>&gt;<i> The mails are hard to read, and long, and very technicals, &#160;but what
+</I>&gt;<i> catched my eyes is some things like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;level of compatibility&quot; between Mageia &amp; rpm5 is far greater than any
+</I>&gt;<i> other (with
+</I>&gt;<i> other rpm5 based distros being more compatible with Mageia than Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> is with non-rpm5 based distros as well&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> So it doesn't mean we have to move to rpm5 for being compatible with
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm5, so where is the problem ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just wonder, why having discussions about technical things like
+</I>&gt;<i> adults is impossible ? are rpm.org and rpm5 religions ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if Per Oyvind offers help, unless there are hidden things i do not
+</I>&gt;<i> understand, and if he can improve rpm.org or compatibility stuff or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever, why nobody says &quot;ok, why not, tell us, maybe you could help,
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe not&quot; Did not find it (at least in this ML)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems it's not the first time, in this mail
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> he told &#160;&quot;(if interested, I could help assist you on writing something
+</I>&gt;<i> equivalent for compatibility wrapping similar to what I did in the
+</I>&gt;<i> past with rpm4compat.h &amp; rpm46compat.h to make ie. URPM able to use
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm 4.4 &amp; 4.6 api with rpm5, let's say rpm5compat.h or something).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whatever you end up doing, don't be afraid of asking or trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> communicate on, the mutual benefits of collaboration are rather
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious. &lt;;o)
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, sorry for imposing.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This mail had no answer, so what, is this guy a kind of antichrist of
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm , talking with sugar words and trying to backstab you ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And at least, If the question are asked over and over, why is there so
+</I>&gt;<i> few things in archives about it ? Sure every one knows mageia will not
+</I>&gt;<i> hurry to go to rpm5 tomorow, and so what ? If some are bored about
+</I>&gt;<i> some related questions, why not opening a FAQ that explain it, or that
+</I>&gt;<i> just point to the related archive/topic (which could be this one) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry but I hate people bashing when i don't understand it. So if
+</I>&gt;<i> there are personal anger, try to get over, or explain and communicate
+</I>&gt;<i> better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> RJ
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+How many times is Mageia going to say &quot;thanks, but no thanks&quot;? how
+many more bug reports/breakage does cooker have to suffer to make it
+clear that Mageia doesn't want the same headache, in the near future
+at all?
+
+Personally I don't want to see mageia-dev ML have the same
+rpm5-main-water-pipe explode in it like what happened in cooker@,
+suddenly rpm5 is the answer to everything, from Jeff Johnson's point
+of view, well, good for you. :)
+
+You wanna know why people can't communicate better? see how long
+proyvind's emails usually are. You didn't get bored? :)
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2011/3/8 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 08 March 2011 18:11:11, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :e
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tsktsk, my post probably ends up being labelled as flamebait, troll, too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> long and boring, biased and what not..
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> This list is not write only...
+</I>I know, could've done better to get points across with shorter and greater
+consistence, which could've made it clearer that it was just as much an attempt
+at defusing a silly situation with some irony and sarcasm.
+&gt;<i> If you've got personnal problem with dmorgan just send him a personal emadon'til i
+</I>Nope, if I'd written better and focused on how to write rather than what written
+about I probably would've succeeded better that what I find consider
+as &quot;silly&quot; and
+&quot;FUD&quot; etc. doesn't really concern me that much beyond providing some notes
+in attempt of dismissing it (which gets rather complex for situations that's
+not very straight forward) and lack of interest in dwelling at them, I
+acknowledge
+and don't care.
+
+&gt;<i> don't care, but i guess that ennael wrote 3 hours before this last mail from
+</I>&gt;<i> you that mageia seems to have choose rpm.org so maybe we can really close this
+</I>I'm not debating nor trying to influence any decission already done on this,
+Heck, I don't really think you find much references to me really
+attempting to do
+so in the past either, most of my posts anywhere related to it has usually just
+been answers to questions, comments to provide insights and honest offers
+of providing help and advice (and usually accompanied with the lack of interest
+in discussing or attempting to influence any decissions made clear).
+
+I'm simply *asking* for references to discussions concerning something that
+other people (ie. as in &quot;not myself&quot;) has asked questions about somewhat
+semi-frequently asked for every now and then.
+
+&gt;<i> subject/thread for now instead of talking again &amp; again about the fantastic
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm(5).org feature/upstream/it's a revolution/another apple commercial
+</I>I don't really see myself touting or pushing much of an agenda in rehashing
+any old discussions, I more than once explicitly make it clear (as I've done
+several times earlier as well) that's not my goal either.
+Asking for references on the discussion isn't something I find too appropriate,
+is it? I certainly have a technical interest in it and personal
+curiosity to satisfy.
+
+I'm even outlining that if the disussion took place somewhere else and if that's
+why there's no reference to it, that's okay. At the same time I must admit
+that I'm questioning whether these discussions that claimed to have taken
+place on the mailing lists several times actually ever did so. With often a lot
+of false criticism and FUD implying rather nonsense, I find it really
+disappointing
+and hard not noticing and pointing out, in addition to the given poor taste
+implied behind such claims to begin with..
+I tried rather to get the actual information or at least hint at suggesting
+avoiding to make up such false information to begin with if that were the
+case without making it a really big issue. As you read it as something
+totally different, I'd rather speak my mind about something I otherwise intended
+to stear clear of..
+
+&gt;<i> here/etc etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's just boring...
+</I>Well, given how my attempt at dismissing a situation that I find as
+unnecessarily silly tension obviously failed to begin with, I wouldn't be
+surprised that me trailing off and writing endlessly trying to discuss
+more technical matters again about a topic that's rather complex and
+of little interest to really discuss to begin with, I'm not surprised.
+I was none the less genuinly trying to raise some questions and awareness
+of concerns about the topic brought up as it's something I have quite
+great interest in and absolutely would like being able to discuss and
+possibly helping eachother out on.
+
+For someone that seems to want work on and having seemingly similar
+ambitions for similar goals, I'm just hoping for dmorgan to better
+understand and find the technical details interesting enough to not
+getting sidetracked by this crappy rivalry and extremely childish situation
+that created by others and that I refuse to take any responsibility for
+causing to begin with.
+Most people with proper attention and focus on what they're
+working on usually tends to be able to do so, so as said, not knowing
+him, I'm genuinly hoping to be positively surprised. :)
+
+And I certainly don't expect nor even want to attract
+the interest of other people beyond those with actual interest in and/or
+insight to discuss it to begin with. Throwing buzz words back and forth,
+while rehashing FUD isn't my idea of properly creating any constructive
+discussion that I'd have any interest in..
+
+At least I *try* to mostly stay focused on *what* I attempt to, while not
+not being afraid to admit the nature of how I write it or personal bias,
+in attempt to not getting distracted by it.
+The standard response I've experienced on this list so far, with the
+exception of like 3-4 people, has pretty much been being ignored, or
+when I'm lucky like in this case, someone attacking me for all the things
+I actually never ever said and even stressed to urge make clear that
+I didn't mean to say either.
+
+At least it's somewhat of a progress with someone acknowleding the
+pink elephant in the room, even if claiming for it to be a completely
+unrelated rabid monkey for which I'm to blame for and not allowed
+to ask any questions about..
+
+So in a summarized conclusion (and as it otherwise probably would
+be interpeted as something totally different):
+* First, cut the crap (people in general), get past it, we got better
+things to do.
+
+* Secondly, if you (dmorgan) really want to achieve the better things to do
+that you mention, I'd be happy to discuss details concerning it and I don't
+really care about the which fork nor version of whatever you prefer
+nor even if you like wearing womens underwear, it's in the end just not really
+that important at all, I'd still have the interest and would find it to be
+potentially useful and think I'd still be able to provide and give some help
+regardless.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 22:28
+
+&gt;<i> totem use gstreamer.
+</I>
+Oh really? since when? I remember to have used it with xine backend.
+
+Well, like I said I use xine-ui (primarily for DVDs), totem would have been
+my second choice but probably not anymore with gstreamer.
+
+BTW, is anybody planning to import the xine-ui rpm or should I do it?
+
+It would be great to have xine-ui on Alpha 2, if it's not too late.
+
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+<PRE>Le mardi 08 mars 2011 &#224; 23:59 +0100, Rapha&#235;l Jadot a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> The mails are hard to read, and long, and very technicals, but what
+</I>&gt;<i> catched my eyes is some things like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;level of compatibility&quot; between Mageia &amp; rpm5 is far greater than any
+</I>&gt;<i> other (with
+</I>&gt;<i> other rpm5 based distros being more compatible with Mageia than Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> is with non-rpm5 based distros as well&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> So it doesn't mean we have to move to rpm5 for being compatible with
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm5, so where is the problem ?
+</I>
+So if there is no problem, why do people keep talking of this ?
+
+&gt;<i> So if Per Oyvind offers help, unless there are hidden things i do not
+</I>&gt;<i> understand, and if he can improve rpm.org or compatibility stuff or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever, why nobody says &quot;ok, why not, tell us, maybe you could help,
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe not&quot; Did not find it (at least in this ML)
+</I>
+I personally answered at least on others mls :
+( <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/maintainers/2011-02/msg00080.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/maintainers/2011-02/msg00080.php</A> )
+
+I also answered to peroyvind on irc, but I will not disclose logs of
+private discussion.
+
+I said it to unity guy who asked on #mageia-dev ( maybe he didn't pay
+attention, or maybe he was not looking at the screen at this moment ).
+
+It was also explained during one of the first meeting for packagers who
+asked :
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-01-12-20.01.log.html#l-258">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-01-12-20.01.log.html#l-258</A>
+
+So, for the n+1 time, we have no specific stuff to propose to
+collaborate nor ressources to allocate for the moment, because we are
+busy trying to have a infrastructure and a governance structure ready,
+and this take time. We even did a conference on FOSDEM to explain the
+whole process.
+
+If people want to do it fine, but without a clear proposal and people
+working on doing stuff, nothing will happen. And we clearly told we have
+more urgent things, like doing a first release, organizing, etc.
+
+&gt;<i> Seems it's not the first time, in this mail
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> he told &quot;(if interested, I could help assist you on writing something
+</I>&gt;<i> equivalent for compatibility wrapping similar to what I did in the
+</I>&gt;<i> past with rpm4compat.h &amp; rpm46compat.h to make ie. URPM able to use
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm 4.4 &amp; 4.6 api with rpm5, let's say rpm5compat.h or something).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whatever you end up doing, don't be afraid of asking or trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> communicate on, the mutual benefits of collaboration are rather
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious. &lt;;o)
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, sorry for imposing.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This mail had no answer, so what, is this guy a kind of antichrist of
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm , talking with sugar words and trying to backstab you ?
+</I>
+Using religious vocabulary and exaggeration is IMHO something you should
+avoid. It doesn't help.
+
+&gt;<i> And at least, If the question are asked over and over, why is there so
+</I>&gt;<i> few things in archives about it ?
+</I>
+I suspect that you do not correctly connect the dots.
+
+We have made quite clear in the roadmap, in our various communications,
+in this ml, and elsewhere that no disruptive changes are planned for the
+first release. This mean no systemd by default, no python change to
+python 3, likely no gnome shell by default, no lvm by default, no
+rolling release, etc, etc.
+
+And this also includes no disruptive changes in a area like the package
+manager if we can avoid it.
+
+&gt;<i> Sure every one knows mageia will not
+</I>&gt;<i> hurry to go to rpm5 tomorrow, and so what ? If some are bored about
+</I>&gt;<i> some related questions, why not opening a FAQ that explain it, or that
+</I>&gt;<i> just point to the related archive/topic (which could be this one) ?
+</I>
+That's not really a FAQ when there is at most 3 persons who asked for it
+( 2 being part of the upstream project ).
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 22:28
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> totem use gstreamer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh really? since when? I remember to have used it with xine backend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Since 31 months and 3 weeks: c.f.
+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/totem/current/SPECS/totem.spec?view=log">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/totem/current/SPECS/totem.spec?view=log</A>
+
+&gt;<i> Well, like I said I use xine-ui (primarily for DVDs), totem would have been
+</I>&gt;<i> my second choice but probably not anymore with gstreamer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, is anybody planning to import the xine-ui rpm or should I do it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be great to have xine-ui on Alpha 2, if it's not too late.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sure import it if you/others use it, but it shouldn't be by the
+default on the iso, IMHO, given how ancient it looks (no matter how
+capable it is), it won't be the first choice for new users :)
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+&gt;<i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 22:28
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; totem use gstreamer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh really? since when? I remember to have used it with xine backend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, like I said I use xine-ui (primarily for DVDs), totem would have been
+</I>&gt;<i> my second choice but probably not anymore with gstreamer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, is anybody planning to import the xine-ui rpm or should I do it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be great to have xine-ui on Alpha 2, if it's not too late.
+</I>
+O.o: it isn't on it yet? i will need it...
+
+you can if you want to, i noticed it's not imported into svn yet.
+
+you 're a novice packager too, right? take care of the importing steps: and
+talk to your mentor before actually doing the import.
+
+some stuff needs to be checked out, for importing from mageia, there's a
+procedure to follow (on the wiki page somewhere)
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+i don't think xine-ui will be hard to package.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I suspect that you do not correctly connect the dots.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have made quite clear in the roadmap, in our various communications,
+</I>&gt;<i> in this ml, and elsewhere that no disruptive changes are planned for the
+</I>&gt;<i> first release. This mean no systemd by default, no python change to
+</I>&gt;<i> python 3, likely no gnome shell by default, no lvm by default, no
+</I>&gt;<i> rolling release, etc, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And this also includes no disruptive changes in a area like the package
+</I>&gt;<i> manager if we can avoid it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Mmm, i already know that, and don't want to be put in the basket of
+people wanting to force you to choose one technology or another.
+But anyway, forget it, forget all what i said here, if i could erase,
+i would do, i apoligize if i fed trolls in spite of killing it, put it
+on the count of some tiredness.
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+Quote: Maarten Vanraes wrote on Wed, 09 March 2011 01:06
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+&gt;<i> you can if you want to, i noticed it's not imported into svn yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you 're a novice packager too, right? take care of the importing steps:
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> talk to your mentor before actually doing the import.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> some stuff needs to be checked out, for importing from mageia, there's
+</I>&gt;<i> a
+</I>&gt;<i> procedure to follow (on the wiki page somewhere)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't think xine-ui will be hard to package.
+</I>
+Yes I'm a novice packager too (novice to Mageia, not to packaging) and my
+excellent mentor (Anssi) has done a very good job teaching me so far, so I
+am familiar with the procedure to follow! :)
+
+I'm currently keeping my mentor busy ;) with another package but if after
+that xine-ui is still not imported then I'll do it.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 mars 2011 &#224; 00:52 +0100, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 22:28
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; totem use gstreamer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh really? since when?
+</I>That's easy, just use a search engine or take a peek at the file &quot;NEWS&quot;
+in totem package :
+So gstreamer inclusion since version 0.97 :
+==============================
+0.97.0:
+* Experimental GStreamer backend (pass --enable-gstreamer to configure)
+==============================
+
+I do not know when was released 0.97.0, but 0.99 date back to 2004
+( again by using rpm -q --changelog )
+
+Xine backend was dropped for 2.27 :
+
+=============================
+2.27.1 (since 2.26.2):
+
+Major changes:
+* Port GStreamer backend to playbin2
+* Remove xine-lib backend
+=============================
+So since 04/2009, according to gnome web site.
+
+&gt;<i> I remember to have used it with xine backend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, like I said I use xine-ui (primarily for DVDs), totem would have been
+</I>&gt;<i> my second choice but probably not anymore with gstreamer.
+</I>
+Given the fact that the change was 2 years ago and that you didn't
+notice, I guess that totem is good enough to be used.
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2011/3/9 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2011/3/9 Rapha&#235;l Jadot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ashledombos at hodo.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/3/8 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 08 March 2011 18:11:11, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tsktsk, my post probably ends up being labelled as flamebait, troll, too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> long and boring, biased and what not..
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This list is not write only...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you've got personnal problem with dmorgan just send him a personal email i
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't care, but i guess that ennael wrote 3 hours before this last mail from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you that mageia seems to have choose rpm.org so maybe we can really close this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> subject/thread for now instead of talking again &amp; again about the fantastic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rpm(5).org feature/upstream/it's a revolution/another apple commercial
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> here/etc etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's just boring...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mm ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have not the feeling that it was the subject... i read again... ok
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> he seems to have a great +1 to rpm5, but i did not see that he wanted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> insisted or moan in order we use rpm5...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The mails are hard to read, and long, and very technicals, &#160;but what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> catched my eyes is some things like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;level of compatibility&quot; between Mageia &amp; rpm5 is far greater than any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other (with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other rpm5 based distros being more compatible with Mageia than Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is with non-rpm5 based distros as well&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it doesn't mean we have to move to rpm5 for being compatible with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm5, so where is the problem ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just wonder, why having discussions about technical things like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> adults is impossible ? are rpm.org and rpm5 religions ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if Per Oyvind offers help, unless there are hidden things i do not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> understand, and if he can improve rpm.org or compatibility stuff or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whatever, why nobody says &quot;ok, why not, tell us, maybe you could help,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maybe not&quot; Did not find it (at least in this ML)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seems it's not the first time, in this mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> he told &#160;&quot;(if interested, I could help assist you on writing something
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> equivalent for compatibility wrapping similar to what I did in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> past with rpm4compat.h &amp; rpm46compat.h to make ie. URPM able to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm 4.4 &amp; 4.6 api with rpm5, let's say rpm5compat.h or something).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Whatever you end up doing, don't be afraid of asking or trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> communicate on, the mutual benefits of collaboration are rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obvious. &lt;;o)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If not, sorry for imposing.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This mail had no answer, so what, is this guy a kind of antichrist of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm , talking with sugar words and trying to backstab you ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And at least, If the question are asked over and over, why is there so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> few things in archives about it ? Sure every one knows mageia will not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hurry to go to rpm5 tomorow, and so what ? If some are bored about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some related questions, why not opening a FAQ that explain it, or that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just point to the related archive/topic (which could be this one) ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry but I hate people bashing when i don't understand it. So if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there are personal anger, try to get over, or explain and communicate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> RJ
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How many times is Mageia going to say &quot;thanks, but no thanks&quot;? how
+</I>Thanks, but no thanks to what exactly..?
+I don't really think you'll find many posts supporting much evidence for
+me really trying to push much more usually than actual advice, suggestions,
+answers to questions and offers to help and interest in discuss details
+on this list.
+&gt;<i> many more bug reports/breakage does cooker have to suffer to make it
+</I>&gt;<i> clear that Mageia doesn't want the same headache, in the near future
+</I>&gt;<i> at all?
+</I>Your lack of attention span is intriguing, even after Rapha&#235;l finds
+and tries handfeed you the same things I've reiterated over and
+over, you're still not able to grasp that I am *not* pushing any rpm5,
+magic beans or dead babies on you and makes up this to be the
+actual issue.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I don't want to see mageia-dev ML have the same
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm5-main-water-pipe explode in it like what happened in cooker@,
+</I>&gt;<i> suddenly rpm5 is the answer to everything, from Jeff Johnson's point
+</I>&gt;<i> of view, well, good for you. :)
+</I>Yeah, clueless and as little technical posts as possible are much more
+preferred, the contributions by posts such as this one from you gives a
+much nicer and healthy environment for everyone to be happy with.
+It's called progress! :|
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You wanna know why people can't communicate better? see how long
+</I>&gt;<i> proyvind's emails usually are. You didn't get bored? :)
+</I>I don't think you'll find many other posts to mageia lists by me that's
+very lengthy at all previously otherwise. And with the given length,
+it works well
+at exploiting the short attention span and lack of interest from many,
+weeding out ignorant dumbshit and FUD from people I have no interest
+in any input from to begin with..
+If too technical and of no interest to you, then simply don't read it and
+we're both happy. If getting bored becomes a problem, go play on the
+highway, I didn't have much interest in providing you with entertainment
+to begin with..
+
+You could've shown the curtousy of coming of as at least trying to pretend
+not to come of as too obvious of a troll..
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+Per &#216;yvind, please learn the art of brevity, the more you go on and on the
+less people will read your writings...
+(no offense intended, but someone had to tell you)
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 09 maart 2011 01:22:49 schreef Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 09 mars 2011 &#224; 00:52 +0100, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 08 March 2011 22:28
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; totem use gstreamer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oh really? since when?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's easy, just use a search engine or take a peek at the file &quot;NEWS&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> in totem package :
+</I>&gt;<i> So gstreamer inclusion since version 0.97 :
+</I>&gt;<i> ==============================
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.97.0:
+</I>&gt;<i> * Experimental GStreamer backend (pass --enable-gstreamer to configure)
+</I>&gt;<i> ==============================
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not know when was released 0.97.0, but 0.99 date back to 2004
+</I>&gt;<i> ( again by using rpm -q --changelog )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Xine backend was dropped for 2.27 :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> =============================
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.27.1 (since 2.26.2):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Major changes:
+</I>&gt;<i> * Port GStreamer backend to playbin2
+</I>&gt;<i> * Remove xine-lib backend
+</I>&gt;<i> =============================
+</I>&gt;<i> So since 04/2009, according to gnome web site.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I remember to have used it with xine backend.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, like I said I use xine-ui (primarily for DVDs), totem would have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; been my second choice but probably not anymore with gstreamer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Given the fact that the change was 2 years ago and that you didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> notice, I guess that totem is good enough to be used.
+</I>
+it means that 2009.1 still had totem with xine-lib support. which is not
+_that_ long ago.
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 09 maart 2011 01:16:50 schreef Tux99:
+&gt;<i> Quote: Maarten Vanraes wrote on Wed, 09 March 2011 01:06
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you can if you want to, i noticed it's not imported into svn yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you 're a novice packager too, right? take care of the importing steps:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; talk to your mentor before actually doing the import.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some stuff needs to be checked out, for importing from mageia, there's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; procedure to follow (on the wiki page somewhere)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i don't think xine-ui will be hard to package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes I'm a novice packager too (novice to Mageia, not to packaging) and my
+</I>&gt;<i> excellent mentor (Anssi) has done a very good job teaching me so far, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> am familiar with the procedure to follow! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm currently keeping my mentor busy ;) with another package but if after
+</I>&gt;<i> that xine-ui is still not imported then I'll do it.
+</I>
+Anssi is my mentor too!
+
+(as a note: importing from mandriva is a slightly other procedure)
+
+if you're not doing it, i will. :-P
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+&gt;<i> 2011/3/8 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 08 March 2011 18:11:11, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> I know, could've done better to get points across with shorter and greater
+</I>&gt;<i> consistence, which could've made it clearer that it was just as much an
+</I>&gt;<i> attempt
+</I>&gt;<i> at defusing a silly situation with some irony and sarcasm.
+</I>
+I have not seen that approach ever work well in any forum except where
+all the conversations take place in the same language with all native
+speakers. Much of irony and sarcasm is lost in the translation and
+even when done well are typically missed by the person they are
+targeted against.
+
+Concise and non-clever usually wins these debates in the least amount of time.
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 9 mars 2011 00:44:41, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; subject/thread for now instead of talking again &amp; again about the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fantastic rpm(5).org feature/upstream/it's a revolution/another apple
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; commercial
+</I>
+Sure, rpm5 is a good software but I have seen the consequences in cooker:
+- very long discussions,
+- a lot of side effects
+- costs a large amount of time.
+
+For Mandriva, the cost was acceptable: the number of people, the calendar and
+the infrastructure already in place made the switch possible.
+IMO, Mageia cannot waste time and efforts *now*.
+
+
+--
+Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org/">http://abul.org/</A>
+Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie.
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+<PRE>2011/3/9 Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 3/8/11, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/3/8 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le Tuesday 08 March 2011 18:11:11, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know, could've done better to get points across with shorter and greater
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consistence, which could've made it clearer that it was just as much an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> attempt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at defusing a silly situation with some irony and sarcasm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have not seen that approach ever work well in any forum except where
+</I>&gt;<i> all the conversations take place in the same language with all native
+</I>&gt;<i> speakers. Much of irony and sarcasm is lost in the translation and
+</I>&gt;<i> even when done well are typically missed by the person they are
+</I>&gt;<i> targeted against.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Concise and non-clever usually wins these debates in the least amount of time.
+</I>Hm, yes, I guess that's actually a reasonable point to be made, when not really
+knowing someone properly and their common behaviour, language, nor any
+possibility of seeing their facial expressions, diffrent culture etc.,
+things gets easily misinterpreted, especially in already tense environment..
+
+Going back and reading through my mail, I was actually &quot;surprised&quot; of
+not finding more than a couple of obvious (,but IMO justified;) incidents
+of sarcasm being the worst, trying not to increase existing tension..
+
+But considering behaviour from others, I find it rather calm/reasonable way
+to respond to a situation where already experiencing rather rude and unfriendly
+behaviour, and several comments already being made that's found to be rather
+unfair, trying to tackle it with some humour and feeling the need to address
+critics is quite appropriate and expected behaviour in general, worst offense
+being length of non-technical/boring content obviously upsetting some.. :|
+
+Finding the right approach and try ignore/respond to in the most appropriate
+manner isn't that easy to determinate.. :/
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>2011/3/9 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 08 mars 2011 &#224; 23:59 +0100, Rapha&#235;l Jadot a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The mails are hard to read, and long, and very technicals, &#160;but what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> catched my eyes is some things like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;level of compatibility&quot; between Mageia &amp; rpm5 is far greater than any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other (with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other rpm5 based distros being more compatible with Mageia than Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is with non-rpm5 based distros as well&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it doesn't mean we have to move to rpm5 for being compatible with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm5, so where is the problem ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if there is no problem, why do people keep talking of this ?
+</I>I don't think this is what's been talked about by others at all previously,
+the question asked by others has usually been more about decissions
+concerning rpm(5), and the problem now coming from me asking for
+references to discussions mentioned, which obviously seems to be
+inappropriate.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if Per Oyvind offers help, unless there are hidden things i do not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> understand, and if he can improve rpm.org or compatibility stuff or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whatever, why nobody says &quot;ok, why not, tell us, maybe you could help,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maybe not&quot; Did not find it (at least in this ML)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I personally answered at least on others mls :
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/maintainers/2011-02/msg00080.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/maintainers/2011-02/msg00080.php</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also answered to peroyvind on irc, but I will not disclose logs of
+</I>&gt;<i> private discussion.
+</I>Yeah, but for my activity on this list and on IRC, I haven't really actually
+been pushing much of any new and intrusive things of inconvenience,
+but rather trying to attempt offer help, suggestions, advice etc., or just
+answering and commenting on regular questions on topics actually
+being discussed already.
+Yet still being ignored, and when not the response is usually some paranoia
+about some spooky intentions where no matter how many times nor how
+hard I try keep making it clear and explain to dismiss, then just that part
+gets ignored with the FUD and personal attacks remaining the same..
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I said it to unity guy who asked on #mageia-dev ( maybe he didn't pay
+</I>&gt;<i> attention, or maybe he was not looking at the screen at this moment ).
+</I>Said what?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was also explained during one of the first meeting for packagers who
+</I>&gt;<i> asked :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-01-12-20.01.log.html#l-258">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-01-12-20.01.log.html#l-258</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, for the n+1 time, we have no specific stuff to propose to
+</I>&gt;<i> collaborate nor ressources to allocate for the moment, because we are
+</I>&gt;<i> busy trying to have a infrastructure and a governance structure ready,
+</I>&gt;<i> and this take time. We even did a conference on FOSDEM to explain the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole process.
+</I>Hey, it's not like I'm necessarrily able to invest much time in it
+myself yet either,
+but that doesn't prevent things from being loosely discussed or just willing
+to receive input and communicate on what already exists and answer such simple
+questions as ~&quot;hey, do you guys have any interest in coordinating and sharing
+efforts at all? I'm all okay for trying to adapt and care for it, but
+let me at least
+know if I should bother..?&quot;, does it?
+
+I'm not pushing any great changes or trying to trick you into
+anything, most of it
+has been intended to actually help both yourself and us in saving time
+and avoiding
+unnecessary work without getting in the way for more important
+priorities, especially
+since it will get harder to start address later on if suddenly then
+you'd remotely
+express any possible interest in it only after a lot of stuff
+originally kept for compatibility
+only has been ripped out long time ago..
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If people want to do it fine, but without a clear proposal and people
+</I>&gt;<i> working on doing stuff, nothing will happen. And we clearly told we have
+</I>&gt;<i> more urgent things, like doing a first release, organizing, etc.
+</I>Yes, sure, that's kinda given and not really expected that people would be
+expected to want doing it and have interest in it.
+It's not like answering one out of a dozen simple questions asked would
+require to for you to stop everything else while a person answers it, or briefly
+discussing things superficially would put great strain on your project.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seems it's not the first time, in this mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> he told &#160;&quot;(if interested, I could help assist you on writing something
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> equivalent for compatibility wrapping similar to what I did in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> past with rpm4compat.h &amp; rpm46compat.h to make ie. URPM able to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm 4.4 &amp; 4.6 api with rpm5, let's say rpm5compat.h or something).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Whatever you end up doing, don't be afraid of asking or trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> communicate on, the mutual benefits of collaboration are rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obvious. &lt;;o)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If not, sorry for imposing.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This mail had no answer, so what, is this guy a kind of antichrist of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm , talking with sugar words and trying to backstab you ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using religious vocabulary and exaggeration is IMHO something you should
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid. It doesn't help.
+</I>Dude, you're being a bit overly sensitive here, it's not like these
+are expressions
+are considered as even uncommon nor very inappropriate to use to make points
+obvious and getting them across, if not exaggerating to make points, it would
+get very hard to miss them. And even if having issues with expressions used in
+the comparision, the point made wasn't less reasonable..
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And at least, If the question are asked over and over, why is there so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> few things in archives about it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suspect that you do not correctly connect the dots.
+</I>No, in this specific case it was quite evident on what dots where that was
+being discussed. The thread and the questions asked was quite specific with
+something as trivial as asking for references to discussions referred to as
+having taken place several times before with responses and arrgumentation
+not being consistent with what you refer to.. :|
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have made quite clear in the roadmap, in our various communications,
+</I>&gt;<i> in this ml, and elsewhere that no disruptive changes are planned for the
+</I>&gt;<i> first release. This mean no systemd by default, no python change to
+</I>&gt;<i> python 3, likely no gnome shell by default, no lvm by default, no
+</I>&gt;<i> rolling release, etc, etc.
+</I>No issues with your roadmap whatsoever, only questions asked based
+on reasoning provided by others that doesn't seem entirely consistent
+with what's given for the roadmap..
+Not really my issue to begin with anyhow though, not concerning me anyways..
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And this also includes no disruptive changes in a area like the package
+</I>&gt;<i> manager if we can avoid it.
+</I>I think this has been well-established since long time ago, only one question
+recently from one person aboutit, with response and rationale given to
+being questioned.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sure every one knows mageia will not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hurry to go to rpm5 tomorrow, and so what ? If some are bored about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some related questions, why not opening a FAQ that explain it, or that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just point to the related archive/topic (which could be this one) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not really a FAQ when there is at most 3 persons who asked for it
+</I>&gt;<i> ( 2 being part of the upstream project ).
+</I>I don't think I've really ever asked about this myself on this list,
+several other
+people not involved with upstream project at all has done on numerous
+occations earlier though.. ;)
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>2011/3/9 Pierre Jarillon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jarillon at abul.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 9 mars 2011 00:44:41, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; subject/thread for now instead of talking again &amp; again about the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; fantastic rpm(5).org feature/upstream/it's a revolution/another apple
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; commercial
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure, rpm5 is a good software but I have seen the consequences in cooker:
+</I>&gt;<i> - very long discussions,
+</I>&gt;<i> - a lot of side effects
+</I>&gt;<i> - costs a large amount of time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For Mandriva, the cost was acceptable: the number of people, the calendar and
+</I>&gt;<i> the infrastructure already in place made the switch possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO, Mageia cannot waste time and efforts *now*.
+</I>Ihk, again, notice that these aren't my words or something that I'm
+actually asking or advocating for, nor remotely expected.
+Certainly not now, not even later either.
+
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+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>On Wed, 09 Mar 2011, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> it works well
+</I>&gt;<i> at exploiting the short attention span and lack of interest from many,
+</I>&gt;<i> weeding out ignorant dumbshit and FUD from people I have no interest
+</I>&gt;<i> in any input from to begin with..
+</I>
+Exactly ! Too many ignorant people here, it's time to move the
+discussion to an other mailing list, as there is of course no interest
+in reading any input from those people who refuse to see the obvious
+superiority of RPM5. I suggest to use one of the lists on rpm5.org.
+
+I'm sure the numerous people interested in your wonderful advices about
+how rpm5 is much much better than rpm.org (while of course *not* pushing
+rpm5 at all) will immediatly subscribe to the rpm5.org mailing lists !
+
+&gt;<i> If too technical and of no interest to you, then simply don't read it and
+</I>&gt;<i> we're both happy. If getting bored becomes a problem, go play on the
+</I>
+I guess all the people interested in this subject already subscribed
+(or will do it soon) on rpm5.org mailing list. Now can you please
+continue this captivating discussion there, but stop posting on
+mageia-dev ?
+
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 09 Mar 2011, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it works well
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at exploiting the short attention span and lack of interest from many,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> weeding out ignorant dumbshit and FUD from people I have no interest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in any input from to begin with..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly ! Too many ignorant people here, it's time to move the
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion to an other mailing list, as there is of course no interest
+</I>&gt;<i> in reading any input from those people who refuse to see the obvious
+</I>&gt;<i> superiority of RPM5. I suggest to use one of the lists on rpm5.org.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sure the numerous people interested in your wonderful advices about
+</I>&gt;<i> how rpm5 is much much better than rpm.org (while of course *not* pushing
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm5 at all) will immediatly subscribe to the rpm5.org mailing lists !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If too technical and of no interest to you, then simply don't read it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we're both happy. If getting bored &#160;becomes a problem, go play on the
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess all the people interested in this subject already subscribed
+</I>&gt;<i> (or will do it soon) on rpm5.org mailing list. Now can you please
+</I>&gt;<i> continue this captivating discussion there, but stop posting on
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-dev ?
+</I>Nicolas, I greatly appreciate your consistent attitude over the last six
+months without letting self-consciousness trouble you, your excellent
+timing and superb ability to help making something discussed soobvious
+by demonstrating it so perfectly saves me a lot of work and
+the feeling of being considered as paranoid, hysterical and
+embarassment of trying to describe the details of in specific.
+
+Not feeling the need of having to say much further on this now. :)
+thx!
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i> Forgot to say, but my machine also uses synaptics. It too appears to be
+</I>&gt;<i> working fine.
+</I>
+Updated status:
+=============
+All major video drivers seems to works fine: vesa, ATI/AMD, Intel,
+Nvidia (nv/nouveau/nvidia)
+Less important drivers that works: virtualbox
+Most major input drivers seems to works fine: evdev,synaptics, wacom.
+
+We need testing for:
+- video: fb[1], fglrx &amp; vmware.
+- input: joystick[2],
+
+[1] will be used by the installer
+[1] not sure we'd testers back at mdv anyway.
+
+I'll resurrect a sis box tomorrow.
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+<PRE>Hello Mageia Team,
+
+i've started work on a new Linux desktop, which primary goal will be to
+be as easy to use as possible.
+
+Here a quote of my post on linuxquestions.org about my ideas of the desktop:
+&quot;My first thinking is, to have a panel at the top which will look a
+little bit like the one of Gnome3, but without the activities and a full
+integration of the User-panel with the working chat client. For the
+notifications of programs I want to implement a little tray-icon like
+it's used in the kde4.5 desktop.
+At the bottom will be a macintosh like Panel where the user can place
+his favorite programs and where a menu will be placed in.
+The primary goal of this desktop will be ease of use. The normal user
+will just get a few possibilities to customize his desktop (as it is the
+strategy of the Gnome-project) but with an option to get a full list of
+options available for the advanced user.&quot;
+
+What's already done? I've started work on the top panel. A clock in the
+middle with a calendar under it when a user clicks on the clock is
+implemented. On the right side is a user menu from where the user can
+reach the preferences of the system and where he will be able to close
+his session or shutdown/restart the computer. It's just the work of 2
+days for now, so there doesn't work much at the moment.
+What's missing in the top panel is a notification plugin and the system
+tray.
+
+But why am I writing to your mailing list? I think that maybe someone of
+you may be interested in helping me in finding new ideas or in
+programming (c++ and qt4).
+
+At the moment I've planed to use Openbox as window manager.
+
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+
+Here is a list of packages missing (not imported) at the moment in
+alpha2 iso regarding to Mandriva 2010.2 iso. This is not mandatory but
+may give a clue for those who wish to help on importing packages
+
+<A HREF="http://pastebin.com/ZtYxUeHz">http://pastebin.com/ZtYxUeHz</A>
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+
+the final stone is now built for magpie: it's possible to list on your mageia
+system the perl modules that have up to date versions upstream. it allows to
+see at a glance which perl packages need to be updated. it's based on cpanplus,
+and only tackles perl modules installed on your system.
+
+the new command is:
+
+ $ magpie old
+ ** core packages: 11
+
+ Devel::DProf 20080331.00 20110228.00
+ Devel::SelfStubber 1.03 1.05
+ [...]
+ if 0.05 0.0601
+
+ ** normal packages: 57
+
+ DateTime::TimeZone 1.28 1.29 perl-DateTime-TimeZone 1.280.0
+ Digest::SHA 5.50 5.60 perl-Digest-SHA 5.500.0
+ [...]
+ parent 0.224 0.225 perl-parent 0.224.0
+
+ ** orphan packages: 7
+
+ KENTNL 0.010173Dist::Zilla&#8230;
+ [...]
+ inc::latest 0.3624 0.38
+
+ ** strange packages: 3
+
+ App::cpanminus 1.2001 1.4002 cpanminus(1.200.100),perl-App-cpanminus(1.200.100)
+ HTTP::Response 6.00 6.01 perl-libwww-perl(5.837.0),perl-Test-Mock-LWP(0.50.0),perl-HTTP-Message(6.0.0)
+ Perl::MinimumVersion 1.27 1.28 perl-Perl-MinimumVersion(1.270.0),perl-Perl-Critic-Pulp(47.0.0)
+
+ ** ignored modules: 12
+
+ Boulder::Unigene(28051999.00), File::MimeInfo::Rox(0.20), Getopt::Lucid(0.19), HTML::Table(2.08), Imager::Font::Type1(1.011), Inline::Python(0.38), Lingua::Features(0.30), Parse::RecDescent::FAQ::Original(6.00), Switch(2.16), Tie::Watch(1.301), WebFetch(0.13), XML::Grove(0.46)
+
+
+the columns are: module, old version, new version, mageia package name, mageia
+package version.
+
+as you can see, the modules are sorted in various categories:
+ core - modules shipped with perl (or perl-base)
+ dual-lifed (not shown above) - modules that are both shipped with perl (or
+ perl-base) and as a stand-alone package
+ normal - regular modules with their own package
+ orphan - modules that do not belong to a mageia package (either inherited
+ from mandriva, or not yet pushed on buildsystem).
+ strange - modules that belong to more than one magiea package
+ ignore - those are modules that either cannot be built (with an upstream
+ bug) or that confuse cpanplus when comparing versions
+
+
+with this information, it's therefore very straightforward to update the
+packages, launching the following command as needed:
+
+ $ eval $( magpie co -s $pkg ) &amp;&amp; magpie update
+
+of course, since all the building blocks are now available, that's what
+the last command to be implemented (magpie dwim) will do!
+
+j&#233;r&#244;me
+--
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at gmail.com</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 7 March 2011 10:40, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Forgot to say, but my machine also uses synaptics. It too appears to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> working fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i> =============
+</I>&gt;<i> All major video drivers seems to works fine: vesa, ATI/AMD, Intel,
+</I>&gt;<i> Nvidia (nv/nouveau/nvidia)
+</I>&gt;<i> Less important drivers that works: virtualbox
+</I>&gt;<i> Most major input drivers seems to works fine: evdev,synaptics, wacom.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need testing for:
+</I>&gt;<i> - video: fb[1], fglrx &amp; vmware.
+</I>&gt;<i> - input: joystick[2],
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] will be used by the installer
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] not sure we'd testers back at mdv anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll resurrect a sis box tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+fglrx is still MIA with X server 1.10, AFAIK (I last checked 1-2 days
+ago), there's a bug report about a user who updated from core/testing
+and ended with a non-working X.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Name : libjpeg-turbo Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.1.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga1 Build Date: Wed Mar 9 16:23:00
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1465384 License: wxWidgets Library
+</I>&gt;<i> License
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/libjpeg-turbo">http://sourceforge.net/projects/libjpeg-turbo</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A MMX/SSE2 accelerated library for manipulating JPEG image
+</I>&gt;<i> files
+</I>
+Hi emmanuel,
+
+Could you please remove the conflict/obsoletes on libjpeg-turbo, and
+reupload the regular libjpeg rpm, as we said :
+- no major change for the first release ( and I think libjpeg change is
+a major one, as would systemd or rpm 5 be )
+- no change just before alpha 2, which is currently be prepared
+( <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-02-16-20.01.log.html#l-245">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-02-16-20.01.log.html#l-245</A> ). We agreed before in the meeting to not do big change from 8th, but I guess that I need to remind to everybody that ....
+
+Moreover, could you discuss before pushing by default a change in a base
+system component ?
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
+
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+
+It will happen as usual on #mageia-dev at 20h UTC
+
+Tonight's topics:
+
+- GNOME 3 status: shall we have it for first release of Mageia?
+- Deal with missing packages and dependancies import
+- Think about basic rules for packages updates during development release
+- Review on mentoring sessions
+- Upgrade tests for coming release
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 mars 2011 &#224; 16:59 +0100, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; Name : libjpeg-turbo Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 1.1.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 3.mga1 Build Date: Wed Mar 9 16:23:00
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 1465384 License: wxWidgets Library
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; License
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/libjpeg-turbo">http://sourceforge.net/projects/libjpeg-turbo</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : A MMX/SSE2 accelerated library for manipulating JPEG image
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; files
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi emmanuel,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you please remove the conflict/obsoletes on libjpeg-turbo, and
+</I>&gt;<i> reupload the regular libjpeg rpm, as we said :
+</I>&gt;<i> - no major change for the first release ( and I think libjpeg change is
+</I>&gt;<i> a major one, as would systemd or rpm 5 be )
+</I>&gt;<i> - no change just before alpha 2, which is currently be prepared
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-02-16-20.01.log.html#l-245">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-02-16-20.01.log.html#l-245</A> ). We agreed before in the meeting to not do big change from 8th, but I guess that I need to remind to everybody that ....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Moreover, could you discuss before pushing by default a change in a base
+</I>&gt;<i> system component ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oops, my bad !
+I forgot to disable the obsoletes and provides, but fixed now.
+
+I planned to discuss about the switch soon, as fedora did the switch,
+and I use it on my gentoo box since 2 months without any regression.
+
+I'll also propose a discussion about our gallium-unaware mesa ;)
+
+Sorry for the trouble !
+
+
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 09 mars 2011 &#224; 16:59 +0100, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; Name : libjpeg-turbo Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 1.1.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 3.mga1 Build Date: Wed Mar 9 16:23:00
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 1465384 License: wxWidgets Library
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; License
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/projects/libjpeg-turbo">http://sourceforge.net/projects/libjpeg-turbo</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : A MMX/SSE2 accelerated library for manipulating JPEG image
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; files
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi emmanuel,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you please remove the conflict/obsoletes on libjpeg-turbo, and
+</I>&gt;<i> reupload the regular libjpeg rpm, as we said :
+</I>&gt;<i> - no major change for the first release ( and I think libjpeg change is
+</I>&gt;<i> a major one, as would systemd or rpm 5 be )
+</I>&gt;<i> - no change just before alpha 2, which is currently be prepared
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-02-16-20.01.log.html#l-245">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-02-16-20.01.log.html#l-245</A> ). We agreed before in the meeting to not do big change from 8th, but I guess that I need to remind to everybody that ....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Moreover, could you discuss before pushing by default a change in a base
+</I>&gt;<i> system component ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oops, my bad !
+I forgot to disable the obsoletes and provides, but fixed now.
+
+I planned to discuss about the switch soon, as fedora did the switch,
+and I use it on my gentoo box since 2 months without any regression.
+
+I'll also propose a discussion about our gallium-unaware mesa ;)
+
+Sorry for the trouble !
+
+
+
+--
+Emmanuel Andry &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eandry at free.fr</A>&gt;
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Could you please remove the conflict/obsoletes on libjpeg-turbo, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reupload the regular libjpeg rpm, as we said :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - no major change for the first release ( and I think libjpeg change is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a major one, as would systemd or rpm 5 be )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - no change just before alpha 2, which is currently be prepared
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-02-16-20.01.log.html#l-245">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-02-16-20.01.log.html#l-245</A> ). We agreed before in the meeting to not do big change from 8th, but I guess that I need to remind to everybody that ....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Moreover, could you discuss before pushing by default a change in a base
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system component ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oops, my bad !
+</I>&gt;<i> I forgot to disable the obsoletes and provides, but fixed now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I planned to discuss about the switch soon, as fedora did the switch,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I use it on my gentoo box since 2 months without any regression.
+</I>
+just read cooker@ for regressions
+
+&gt;<i> I'll also propose a discussion about our gallium-unaware mesa ;)
+</I>
+we already use gallium for r300 (and maybe even for newer nv)
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+ <B>Emmanuel Andry</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1&In-Reply-To=%3C1299690394.6454.8.camel%40localhost%3E"
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+
+libjpeg-turbo has epoch 1, can someone manually remove libjpeg-turbo ?
+(I think that the reason of libjpeg reject)
+If not, libjpeg will also need epoch... which seems not good.
+
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+
+last week during packagers meeting ( but I forgot to do it ), we
+discussed of having svn commit from trainees sent to mentors.
+
+And I was tasked of getting requirements for such system from mentors
+and later try to see with sysadmins how we can do it.
+
+So the idea is :
+- each svn commit of the trainee on packages svn is sent to the mentor
+- the mail should be either opt-in, or opt-out
+
+Later, this could be enhanced to get notification for packages rather
+than people ( and keep the stuff for people too, i am sure there is some
+fanboys and fangirls that want to see all of my commits :p ).
+
+So any others requirements ?
+
+( volunteer to code this are welcome too )
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 09 Mar 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Later, this could be enhanced to get notification for packages rather
+</I>&gt;<i> than people ( and keep the stuff for people too, i am sure there is some
+</I>&gt;<i> fanboys and fangirls that want to see all of my commits :p ).
+</I>
+Receiving emails from other people who commit on packages you are the
+maintainer ?
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Changes to missing-deps.sh">balcaen.john at gmail.com
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+<PRE>I'm proposing an ugly patch for missing deps which is at least working.
+The output will be something like :
+
+libparrot from parrot-3.1.0-1.mga1.src.rpm is missing /usr/lib/pkgconfig
+
+when the script is parsing the i586 arch.
+
+Regards,
+
+
+--
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] requires_recursive_basesytem">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+here is the requires for basesystem, which could be added to frozen
+packages...
+
+tbf, it's alot, 355 requires...
+
+and there's also some multiple require possibilities... so i don't know if
+those need to be handled differently.
+-------------- next part --------------
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# urpmq --requires-recursive basesystem
+GConf2
+ORBit2
+acl
+alsa-plugins-pulse-config
+atk1.0-common
+aumix-text
+avahi
+basesystem
+basesystem-minimal
+bash
+bzip2
+canberra-common
+canberra-gtk
+ccp
+chkconfig
+common-licenses
+consolekit
+coreutils
+cpio
+cracklib-dicts
+cronie
+cronie-anacron
+crontabs
+cryptsetup
+dash-static
+dbus
+desktop-file-utils
+diffutils
+dirmngr
+dmsetup
+dosfstools
+e2fsprogs
+etcskel
+ethtool
+file
+filesystem
+findutils
+fontconfig
+fuse
+gamin
+gawk
+gdk-pixbuf2.0
+gettext-base
+glib2.0-common
+glibc
+gnome-disk-utility
+gnome-icon-theme
+gnome-keyring
+gnupg
+gnupg2
+grep
+grub|lilo
+gtk+2.0
+gvfs
+gvfs-archive
+gvfs-fuse
+gvfs-gphoto2
+gvfs-smb
+gzip
+hal
+hal-info
+hicolor-icon-theme
+html2text
+ia_ora-gnome
+ifmetric
+ifplugd
+info-install
+initscripts
+iproute2
+iputils
+kbd
+kernel-server-2.6.37.2-1.mga|kernel-desktop-2.6.37.2-1.mga|kernel-tmb-server-2.6.37.2-1.mga|kernel-tmb-laptop-2.6.37.2-1.mga|kernel-tmb-desktop-2.6.37.2-1.mga|kernel-linus-2.6.38-0.rc7.2.1.mga|kernel-linus-2.6.38-0.rc8.1.mga|kernel-server-2.6.37.3-1.mga|kernel-desktop-2.6.37.3-1.mga
+krb5
+ldetect-lst
+less
+lib64GConf2_4
+lib64IDL2_0
+lib64ORBit2_0
+lib64acl1
+lib64alsa-plugins-pulseaudio
+lib64alsa2
+lib64archive2
+lib64assuan0
+lib64asyncns0
+lib64atasmart4
+lib64atk1.0_0
+lib64attr1
+lib64audit1
+lib64avahi-client3
+lib64avahi-common3
+lib64avahi-core7
+lib64avahi-glib1
+lib64avahi-ui1
+lib64blkid1
+lib64bzip2_1
+lib64cairo2
+lib64canberra-gtk0
+lib64canberra0
+lib64cap2
+lib64cdio12
+lib64cdio_cdda0
+lib64config9
+lib64consolekit0
+lib64crack2
+lib64cryptsetup1
+lib64cups2
+lib64curl4
+lib64daemon0
+lib64datrie1
+lib64db4.8
+lib64dbnss4.8
+lib64dbus-1_3
+lib64dbus-glib-1_2
+lib64devmapper-event1.02
+lib64devmapper1.02
+lib64elfutils1
+lib64exif12
+lib64expat1
+lib64ext2fs2
+lib64flac8
+lib64fontconfig1
+lib64freetype6
+lib64fuse2
+lib64gamin-1_0
+lib64gcr0
+lib64gcrypt11
+lib64gd2
+lib64gdbm3
+lib64gdk_pixbuf2.0_0
+lib64gdu-gtk0
+lib64gdu0
+lib64gio2.0_0
+lib64glib2.0_0
+lib64gmp10
+lib64gnome-keyring0
+lib64gnutls26
+lib64gpg-error0
+lib64gpgme11
+lib64gphoto2
+lib64gtk+-x11-2.0_0
+lib64gtk+2.0_0
+lib64gudev1.0_0
+lib64gvfs0
+lib64hal1
+lib64ia_ora-gnome
+lib64ice6
+lib64idn11
+lib64intl8
+lib64jasper1
+lib64jbig1
+lib64jpeg8
+lib64krb53
+lib64ksba8
+lib64ldap2.4_2
+lib64lockdev1
+lib64ltdl7
+lib64lua5.1
+lib64lvm2app2.2
+lib64lzma5
+lib64lzo2_2
+lib64magic1
+lib64modman1
+lib64modprobe0
+lib64mount1
+lib64nautilus1
+lib64ncurses5
+lib64ncursesw5
+lib64notify1
+lib64nspr4
+lib64nss3
+lib64ntfs10
+lib64ogg0
+lib64openssl-engines1.0.0
+lib64openssl1.0.0
+lib64pam0
+lib64pam_userpass1
+lib64pango1.0_0
+lib64pango1.0_0-modules
+lib64parted0
+lib64pci3
+lib64pcre0
+lib64pixman-1_0
+lib64png3
+lib64polkit1_0
+lib64polkit2
+lib64popt0
+lib64proxy1
+lib64pth20
+lib64pulseaudio0
+lib64python2.7
+lib64rarian0
+lib64readline6
+lib64rpm1
+lib64samplerate0
+lib64sasl2
+lib64seahorse0
+lib64sgutils2
+lib64sigsegv2
+lib64sm6
+lib64smbclient0
+lib64sndfile1
+lib64soup-2.4_1
+lib64speex1
+lib64sqlite3_0
+lib64ssh2_1
+lib64startup-notification-1_0
+lib64talloc2
+lib64tasn1_3
+lib64tcb0
+lib64tdb1
+lib64termcap2
+lib64thai0
+lib64tiff3
+lib64uClibc0.9.30.3
+lib64udev0
+lib64usb-compat0.1_4
+lib64usb1.0_0
+lib64user1
+lib64utempter0
+lib64uuid1
+lib64vorbis0
+lib64vorbisenc2
+lib64vorbisfile3
+lib64wbclient0
+lib64wnck-1_22
+lib64wrap0
+lib64x11_6
+lib64xau6
+lib64xcb-atom1
+lib64xcb-aux0
+lib64xcb1
+lib64xcomposite1
+lib64xcursor1
+lib64xdamage1
+lib64xdmcp6
+lib64xext6
+lib64xfixes3
+lib64xfs1
+lib64xft2
+lib64xi6
+lib64xinerama1
+lib64xml2_2
+lib64xpm4
+lib64xrandr2
+lib64xrender1
+lib64xtst6
+lib64zlib1
+libalsa-data
+libexif12-common
+libgcc1
+libgnome-keyring-i18n
+libgpg-error-common
+libgphoto-common
+libproxy-mozjs|libproxy-webkit
+libstdc++6
+libuser
+libwnck
+libxml2-utils
+logrotate
+mageia-release-Default
+mageia-release-common
+makedev
+mdadm
+mingetty
+module-init-tools
+mtools
+multiarch-utils
+ncurses
+net-tools
+notification-daemon
+notification-daemon-engine-nodoka
+nss
+nss_mdns
+nss_tcb
+ntfs-3g
+ntfsprogs
+openldap
+openssl
+pam
+pam_tcb
+pango
+passwd
+pciutils
+perl
+perl-Archive-Extract
+perl-Archive-Tar
+perl-CGI
+perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML
+perl-CPANPLUS
+perl-CPANPLUS-Dist-Build
+perl-Digest-SHA
+perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder
+perl-FCGI
+perl-File-Sync
+perl-IPC-Cmd
+perl-MDK-Common
+perl-Module-Build
+perl-Module-CoreList
+perl-Module-Metadata
+perl-Module-Signature
+perl-Perl-OSType
+perl-Time-Piece
+perl-WWW-Curl
+perl-base
+perl-version
+pinentry
+pinentry-qt4|pinentry-gtk2
+pkgconfig
+policykit
+polkit
+polkit-gnome|polkit-kde-agent-1
+popt-data
+prcsys
+procps
+psmisc
+pulseaudio-client-config
+rarian
+resolvconf
+rmt
+rootcerts
+rootfiles
+rpm
+rpm-helper
+rpm-mageia-setup
+rsyslog
+run-parts
+sash
+seahorse
+sed
+setup
+sgml-common
+shadow-utils
+sound-scripts
+sound-theme-freedesktop
+sysvinit|systemd-sysvinit
+sysvinit-tools
+tar
+tcb
+termcap
+thai-data
+time
+timezone
+uClibc
+udev
+udisks
+update-alternatives
+usbutils
+utempter
+util-linux-ng
+vim-X11|vim-enhanced|vim-minimal
+which
+xdg-user-dirs
+xdg-user-dirs-gtk
+xfsprogs
+xz
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+what follows it's last mail I received with a gsoap license
+review, can someone with the right skill help and
+see if we can ship it/can contribute to better fix gpl
+license etc?
+
+TIA
+ Angelo
+
+--------- Messaggio inoltrato ---------
+
+Oggetto: Re: license explanation and costs
+Data: mercoled&#236; 9 marzo 2011, 00:36:16
+Da: &quot;Burt Walsh&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">walsh at genivia.com</A>&gt;
+A: Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt;
+CC: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">engelen at genivia.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">engelen at genivia.com</A>&gt;
+
+You are correct about GPL being used commercially. I have included a
+copy of the license agreement for your review; I think it should answer
+most questions. I am happy to answer anything that is missed.
+
+ Thanks,
+
+ Burt
+
+ On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:58:55 0100, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+In data marted&#236; 8 marzo 2011 13:59:19, hai scritto:
+ &gt; &gt; You have never been able to ship wsdl2h or soapccp or the source.
+ &gt; &gt;
+ &gt; &gt; Thanks,
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Sorry for my late answer,
+ &gt; I'm really confused for that, do you really mean fedora, mandriva, mageia,
+ &gt; arch and what else distros are out of the law?
+ &gt; And do you really mean are you going to miss all those users?
+ &gt; And do you really mean a GPL use of the gsoap project is out of the law?
+ &gt; Note that GPL doesn't mean that can't be used for commercial purpose.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; If so i will contact all the distro maintainer i know to force
+removing gsoap
+ &gt; from their repositories as soon as possible, but i'm really sad to
+read that
+ &gt; since it's not clear on gsoap site that *no one* can redistribute gsoap.
+ &gt;
+ &gt;
+ &gt; --
+ &gt; Angelo
+ &gt;
+
+
+
+
+marted&#236; 8 marzo 2011 alle 19:26, Angelo Naselli ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I was about to upgrade gsoap from 2.7.17 to new 2.8.1,
+</I>&gt;<i> well i did indeed, when i noticed that the license changed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So i decided to ask upstream and i've realized from teir answers
+</I>&gt;<i> they don't allow to ship gsoap tools (e.g wsdl2h and soapcpp2) and
+</I>&gt;<i> source code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In addition license on:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/soaplicense.html">http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/soaplicense.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> is not very clear and Fedora should remove it soon.
+</I>&gt;<i> I believe we should do the same at least until something does not change
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<I>Maarten Vanraes
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+<LI><A HREF="003132.html">[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue
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+<I>Ahmad Samir
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+<LI><A HREF="003133.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
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+<I>Rapha&#235;l Jadot
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+<LI><A HREF="003134.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
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+<I>Ahmad Samir
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+<LI><A HREF="003135.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
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+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
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+<LI><A HREF="003151.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
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+<LI><A HREF="003154.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
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+<I>Thierry Vignaud
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+<LI><A HREF="003768.html">[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue
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+<I>Angelo Naselli
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+<LI><A HREF="003155.html">[Mageia-dev] Litotas Desktop, a new Linux Desktop Environment (currently under Development)
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+<I>Anne nicolas
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+
+<LI><A HREF="003157.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;magpie old&quot; to list non up-to-date perl modules
+</A><A NAME="3157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
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+<LI><A HREF="003158.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003159.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
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+<LI><A HREF="003160.html">[Mageia-dev] 09/03/2011 packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="3160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003162.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Emmanuel Andry
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+
+<LI><A HREF="003163.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003164.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Emmanuel Andry
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+<LI><A HREF="003165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mentor, trainees and svn commits
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+<I>nicolas vigier
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+<LI><A HREF="003167.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes to missing-deps.sh
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+<I>Balcaen John
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+<LI><A HREF="003168.html">[Mageia-dev] requires_recursive_basesytem
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+<I>Maarten Vanraes
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+ <h1>9 March 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Mar 9 00:04:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Mar 9 23:43:25 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 38<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003157.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;magpie old&quot; to list non up-to-date perl modules
+</A><A NAME="3157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003160.html">[Mageia-dev] 09/03/2011 packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="3160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003162.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Emmanuel Andry
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003163.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003164.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Emmanuel Andry
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003159.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003131.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003136.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003138.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003139.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003141.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003142.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003145.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003146.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003156.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003167.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes to missing-deps.sh
+</A><A NAME="3167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003132.html">[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue
+</A><A NAME="3132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003768.html">[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue
+</A><A NAME="3768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003155.html">[Mageia-dev] Litotas Desktop, a new Linux Desktop Environment (currently under Development)
+</A><A NAME="3155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mentor, trainees and svn commits
+</A><A NAME="3165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003166.html">[Mageia-dev] Mentor, trainees and svn commits
+</A><A NAME="3166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003168.html">[Mageia-dev] requires_recursive_basesytem
+</A><A NAME="3168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003154.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003158.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003133.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rapha&#235;l Jadot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003134.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003135.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003137.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003140.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rapha&#235;l Jadot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003143.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003144.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003147.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003148.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003149.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003150.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003151.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003152.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003153.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Mar 9 23:43:25 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Mar 28 18:11:25 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
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+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>9 March 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Mar 9 00:04:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Mar 9 23:43:25 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 38<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01299625462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003131.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299625554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003132.html">[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue
+</A><A NAME="3132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299627431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003133.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rapha&#235;l Jadot
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299627651- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003134.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299627651-01299630665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003143.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299627651-01299630665-01299631424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003144.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01299627651-01299630665-01299635933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003152.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299627651-01299630665-01299635933-01299641146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003153.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299627881- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003135.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299627881-01299633198- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003147.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299627881-01299633198-01299634852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003149.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299627881-01299634333- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003148.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299627881-01299634333-01299635900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003151.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299628360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003136.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299628360-01299628732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003138.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01299628360-01299629173- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003139.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299628360-01299629173-01299629810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003141.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299628360-01299629173-01299629810-01299632686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003146.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299628360-01299629173-01299629810-01299632686-01299668435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003156.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299628360-01299630169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003142.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299628360-01299630169-01299632582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003145.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content
+</A><A NAME="3145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299628384- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003137.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299628384-01299629458- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003140.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rapha&#235;l Jadot
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01299628384-01299635628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003150.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA
+</A><A NAME="3150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299657433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003154.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299657433-01299684533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003158.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299659545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003768.html">[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue
+</A><A NAME="3768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299666783- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003155.html">[Mageia-dev] Litotas Desktop, a new Linux Desktop Environment (currently under Development)
+</A><A NAME="3155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Kreuter
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299674482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003157.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;magpie old&quot; to list non up-to-date perl modules
+</A><A NAME="3157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299686387- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003159.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299686387-01299689326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003162.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Emmanuel Andry
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299686387-01299689326-01299690300- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003163.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01299686387-01299690394- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003164.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM] cauldron core/release libjpeg-turbo-1.1.0-3.mga1
+</A><A NAME="3164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Emmanuel Andry
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299686583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003160.html">[Mageia-dev] 09/03/2011 packagers meeting
+</A><A NAME="3160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299707696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mentor, trainees and svn commits
+</A><A NAME="3165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299707696-01299708778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003166.html">[Mageia-dev] Mentor, trainees and svn commits
+</A><A NAME="3166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299709230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003167.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes to missing-deps.sh
+</A><A NAME="3167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01299710605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003168.html">[Mageia-dev] requires_recursive_basesytem
+</A><A NAME="3168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Mar 9 23:43:25 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Mar 28 18:11:25 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
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