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We even did a conference on FOSDEM to explain the +</I>><i> whole process. +</I>Hey, it's not like I'm necessarrily able to invest much time in it +myself yet either, +but that doesn't prevent things from being loosely discussed or just willing +to receive input and communicate on what already exists and answer such simple +questions as ~"hey, do you guys have any interest in coordinating and sharing +efforts at all? I'm all okay for trying to adapt and care for it, but +let me at least +know if I should bother..?", does it? + +I'm not pushing any great changes or trying to trick you into +anything, most of it +has been intended to actually help both yourself and us in saving time +and avoiding +unnecessary work without getting in the way for more important +priorities, especially +since it will get harder to start address later on if suddenly then +you'd remotely +express any possible interest in it only after a lot of stuff +originally kept for compatibility +only has been ripped out long time ago.. +><i> +</I>><i> If people want to do it fine, but without a clear proposal and people +</I>><i> working on doing stuff, nothing will happen. And we clearly told we have +</I>><i> more urgent things, like doing a first release, organizing, etc. +</I>Yes, sure, that's kinda given and not really expected that people would be +expected to want doing it and have interest in it. +It's not like answering one out of a dozen simple questions asked would +require to for you to stop everything else while a person answers it, or briefly +discussing things superficially would put great strain on your project. +><i> +</I>>><i> Seems it's not the first time, in this mail +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html</A> +</I>>><i> he told  "(if interested, I could help assist you on writing something +</I>>><i> equivalent for compatibility wrapping similar to what I did in the +</I>>><i> past with rpm4compat.h & rpm46compat.h to make ie. URPM able to use +</I>>><i> rpm 4.4 & 4.6 api with rpm5, let's say rpm5compat.h or something). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Whatever you end up doing, don't be afraid of asking or trying to +</I>>><i> communicate on, the mutual benefits of collaboration are rather +</I>>><i> obvious. <;o) +</I>>><i> If not, sorry for imposing." +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This mail had no answer, so what, is this guy a kind of antichrist of +</I>>><i> rpm , talking with sugar words and trying to backstab you ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Using religious vocabulary and exaggeration is IMHO something you should +</I>><i> avoid. It doesn't help. +</I>Dude, you're being a bit overly sensitive here, it's not like these +are expressions +are considered as even uncommon nor very inappropriate to use to make points +obvious and getting them across, if not exaggerating to make points, it would +get very hard to miss them. And even if having issues with expressions used in +the comparision, the point made wasn't less reasonable.. +><i> +</I>>><i> And at least, If the question are asked over and over, why is there so +</I>>><i> few things in archives about it ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I suspect that you do not correctly connect the dots. +</I>No, in this specific case it was quite evident on what dots where that was +being discussed. The thread and the questions asked was quite specific with +something as trivial as asking for references to discussions referred to as +having taken place several times before with responses and arrgumentation +not being consistent with what you refer to.. :| +><i> +</I>><i> We have made quite clear in the roadmap, in our various communications, +</I>><i> in this ml, and elsewhere that no disruptive changes are planned for the +</I>><i> first release. This mean no systemd by default, no python change to +</I>><i> python 3, likely no gnome shell by default, no lvm by default, no +</I>><i> rolling release, etc, etc. +</I>No issues with your roadmap whatsoever, only questions asked based +on reasoning provided by others that doesn't seem entirely consistent +with what's given for the roadmap.. +Not really my issue to begin with anyhow though, not concerning me anyways.. + +><i> +</I>><i> And this also includes no disruptive changes in a area like the package +</I>><i> manager if we can avoid it. +</I>I think this has been well-established since long time ago, only one question +recently from one person aboutit, with response and rationale given to +being questioned. +><i> +</I>>><i> Sure every one knows mageia will not +</I>>><i> hurry to go to rpm5 tomorrow, and so what ? If some are bored about +</I>>><i> some related questions, why not opening a FAQ that explain it, or that +</I>>><i> just point to the related archive/topic (which could be this one) ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's not really a FAQ when there is at most 3 persons who asked for it +</I>><i> ( 2 being part of the upstream project ). +</I>I don't think I've really ever asked about this myself on this list, +several other +people not involved with upstream project at all has done on numerous +occations earlier though.. ;) + +-- +Regards, +Per Øyvind +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003140.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003154.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3150">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3150">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3150">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3150">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |