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+    <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B> 
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+<PRE>On 06/30/2012 05:17 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/06/12 11:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 29/06/12 23:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I post it here as it applies to various packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some systemd files still reference old udev services/targets, even some in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd itself:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.service&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:After=udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:Wants=udev.service udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.target&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libvirtd.service:After=udev.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should not these change to refer to systemd-udev-* ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup, I'll fix them up, but I want to rename systemd-udev* to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-udevd* as this better fits the other upstream daemon services.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've discussed with upstream so a patch will be submitted upstream too :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These should all be fixed in the next build.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+One missing :)
+
+werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev-.*&quot; *
+systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# rpm -qf systemd-udev-settle.service
+systemd-units-185-2.mga3
+werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# ls *udev-trig*
+systemd-udev-trigger.service
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
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+I've changed the condition to use the internal ffmpeg copy.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 01/07/12 00:03 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 06/30/2012 05:17 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/06/12 11:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 29/06/12 23:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I post it here as it applies to various packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some systemd files still reference old udev services/targets, even
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd itself:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.service&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:After=udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:Wants=udev.service udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.target&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libvirtd.service:After=udev.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should not these change to refer to systemd-udev-* ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yup, I'll fix them up, but I want to rename systemd-udev* to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-udevd* as this better fits the other upstream daemon services.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've discussed with upstream so a patch will be submitted upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These should all be fixed in the next build.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> One missing :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev-.*&quot; *
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# rpm -qf systemd-udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-units-185-2.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# ls *udev-trig*
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-udev-trigger.service
+</I>
+Gah!
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 13:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:55:00AM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've changed the condition to use the internal ffmpeg copy.
+</I>
+Not ideal tho'. We don't want to have 50 copies of ffmpeg in an ideal
+world as it's a nightmare when a security vuln is found....
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Robert Fox</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>
+Finally got around to trying this - here is the output so far:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at ThinkFox</A> ~]$ gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet
+GNU gdb (GDB) 7.3.50.20110722-4.mga2 (Mageia release 2)
+Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
+&lt;<A HREF="http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html">http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html</A>&gt;
+This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
+There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type &quot;show
+copying&quot;
+and &quot;show warranty&quot; for details.
+This GDB was configured as &quot;x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu&quot;.
+For bug reporting instructions, please see:
+&lt;<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/">http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/</A>&gt;...
+Reading symbols from /usr/bin/perl...Reading symbols
+from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/perl5.16.0.debug...done.
+done.
+&quot;/usr/bin/net_applet&quot; is not a core dump: File format not recognized
+(gdb) run
+Starting program: /usr/bin/perl 
+[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
+Using host libthread_db library &quot;/lib64/libthread_db.so.1&quot;.
+
+and it just sits there - program doesn't start.
+
+Didn't get very far . . .
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 13:17 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:55:00AM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've changed the condition to use the internal ffmpeg copy.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Not ideal tho'. We don't want to have 50 copies of ffmpeg in an ideal
+</I>&gt;<i> world as it's a nightmare when a security vuln is found....
+</I>
+It still didn't build so I'll revert
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+&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>
+Installation failed:
+	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+	file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
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+&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>
+I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+
+@Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0200
+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally got around to trying this - here is the output so far:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at ThinkFox</A> ~]$ gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU gdb (GDB) 7.3.50.20110722-4.mga2 (Mageia release 2)
+</I>&gt;<i> Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+</I>&gt;<i> License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html">http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type &quot;show
+</I>&gt;<i> copying&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and &quot;show warranty&quot; for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> This GDB was configured as &quot;x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> For bug reporting instructions, please see:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/">http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/</A>&gt;...
+</I>&gt;<i> Reading symbols from /usr/bin/perl...Reading symbols
+</I>&gt;<i> from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/perl5.16.0.debug...done.
+</I>&gt;<i> done.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/bin/net_applet&quot; is not a core dump: File format not recognized
+</I>&gt;<i> (gdb) run
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting program: /usr/bin/perl 
+</I>&gt;<i> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
+</I>&gt;<i> Using host libthread_db library &quot;/lib64/libthread_db.so.1&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> and it just sits there - program doesn't start.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Didn't get very far . . .
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+That's the wrong way to invoke gdb. You need:
+
+$ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+
+And in the gdb prompt:
+
+$ r /usr/bin/net_applet
+
+You can also use a --command start-up flag for that.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
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+<PRE>Hi Robert,
+
+On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0200
+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally got around to trying this - here is the output so far:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at ThinkFox</A> ~]$ gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU gdb (GDB) 7.3.50.20110722-4.mga2 (Mageia release 2)
+</I>&gt;<i> Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+</I>&gt;<i> License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html">http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type &quot;show
+</I>&gt;<i> copying&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and &quot;show warranty&quot; for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> This GDB was configured as &quot;x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> For bug reporting instructions, please see:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/">http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/</A>&gt;...
+</I>&gt;<i> Reading symbols from /usr/bin/perl...Reading symbols
+</I>&gt;<i> from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/perl5.16.0.debug...done.
+</I>&gt;<i> done.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/bin/net_applet&quot; is not a core dump: File format not recognized
+</I>&gt;<i> (gdb) run
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting program: /usr/bin/perl 
+</I>&gt;<i> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
+</I>&gt;<i> Using host libthread_db library &quot;/lib64/libthread_db.so.1&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> and it just sits there - program doesn't start.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+That's the wrong way to use gdb. You should do:
+
+$ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+$ run /usr/bin/net_applet
+
+Also look into gdb's --command flag for start up commands.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> Didn't get very far . . .
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>
+Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+
+Col
+
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+<PRE>On 25/06/2012 07:29, Jeff Robins wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM, andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release (and not only the DVD) remains installed.  So there are cases where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you confirm that the nonfree firmware wasn't removed during a DVD
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade?  Upgrading
+</I>&gt;<i> using mgaapplet DID seem to remove the firmware from my install.  I
+</I>&gt;<i> had major issues with AMD
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics, discussed elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I just used the DVD to upgrade Mageia 1 on a laptop to Mageia 2, without 
+having a network cable attached. I did not try to connect to a network 
+during install.
+
+It needs the non-free ipw2200-firmware for its wireless card to work
+
+After reboot, WLAN functioned just as well as before upgrading. Even all 
+settings and the password were kept :)
+
+It never works after a clean DVD install
+
+Cheers,
+marja
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>From <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:</A>
+</I>Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64camel38-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebook14-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ecal15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-book15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-cal18-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver17-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebackend4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver-devel-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64evolution-data-server-gir1.2-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-debug-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+
+I don't see lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm on the
+mirrors. Could be some spec file error. I noticed the spec file doing
+something with Obsoletes: lib64edataserverui4.
+
+Could some assist me? I don't really get what should be done or what is
+wrong.
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+    <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;<i>From <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64camel38-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebook14-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ecal15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-book15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-cal18-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver17-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebackend4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver-devel-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64evolution-data-server-gir1.2-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-debug-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm on the
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors. Could be some spec file error. I noticed the spec file doing
+</I>&gt;<i> something with Obsoletes: lib64edataserverui4.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Could some assist me? I don't really get what should be done or what is
+</I>&gt;<i> wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Just remove the obsolete. It's been there &quot;always&quot; (since pkg was
+imported to Mdv svn in 2007 [1]) and we or Mdv aren't providing any
+libedataserverui4 pkg.
+
+[1]
+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/evolution-data-server/current/SPECS/evolution-data-server.spec?revision=2247&amp;view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/evolution-data-server/current/SPECS/evolution-data-server.spec?revision=2247&amp;view=markup</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 20:17, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;From <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64camel38-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebook14-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ecal15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-book15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-cal18-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver17-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebackend4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver-devel-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64evolution-data-server-gir1.2-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-debug-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't see lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirrors. Could be some spec file error. I noticed the spec file doing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something with Obsoletes: lib64edataserverui4.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could some assist me? I don't really get what should be done or what is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just remove the obsolete. It's been there &quot;always&quot; (since pkg was
+</I>&gt;<i> imported to Mdv svn in 2007 [1]) and we or Mdv aren't providing any
+</I>&gt;<i> libedataserverui4 pkg.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [1]
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/evolution-data-server/current/SPECS/evolution-data-server.spec?revision=2247&amp;view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/evolution-data-server/current/SPECS/evolution-data-server.spec?revision=2247&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+was available in mdv 2006.0.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+</I>
+OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.
+
+The exception was a patch that related to udev-acl which is now
+deprecated and the stuff relating to generating hotplug rules...
+
+
+44 	Source34: udev_import_usermap
+45 	# from hotplug-2004_09_23
+46 	Source40: hotplug-usb.distmap
+47 	Source41: hotplug-usb.handmap
+
+216 	%{buildroot}%{_sbindir}/udev_import_usermap --no-driver-agent usb
+%{SOURCE40} %{SOURCE41} &gt;
+%{buildroot}%{system_rules_dir}/70-hotplug_map.rules
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+
+These files haven't changed in more than 5 years and I'd be incredibly
+surprised if they are needed these days - the kernel will generally
+automatically load modules as needed without requiring any manual
+modprobe calls.
+
+Col
+
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 	file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>
+Hmm, not sure how I can add an Obsoletes to the systemd-debug package....
+
+Just remove it manually I guess. Not sure it's worth putting in anything
+special into things.
+
+Col
+
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:55:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - various new dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Another package request:
+</I>&gt;<i> colord-gtk-0.1.22.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/releases/">http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/releases/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> needed for gnome-color-manager
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+Created a package for this as well as libsecret.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.
+</I>
+For the avoidance of doubt, when you get the new version, please
+remember to rebuild your initrd too such that the rules make it into the
+initrd.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For the avoidance of doubt, when you get the new version, please
+</I>&gt;<i> remember to rebuild your initrd too such that the rules make it into the
+</I>&gt;<i> initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Or wait for currently building kernel-3.4.4-2.mga3 to do it for you :)
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>
+Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+issues :-(
+
+Installation failed:    lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
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+How can I avoid that?
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed:    lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
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+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:20, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:    lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+</I>&gt;<i> lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Trouble is it will hit us during upgrade from mga2 to mga3.
+
+So I guess it need a versioned conflict to force the upgrade
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+&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 22:33, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:20, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:    lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Trouble is it will hit us during upgrade from mga2 to mga3.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess it need a versioned conflict to force the upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Another possible solution would be an updated mga2 pkg to core/updates.
+
+However that doesn't fix the update problem if user doesn't update
+his/hers mga2 up-to-date before ugrading to mga3.
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+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:37, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 22:33, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:20, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:    lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Trouble is it will hit us during upgrade from mga2 to mga3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess it need a versioned conflict to force the upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Another possible solution would be an updated mga2 pkg to core/updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Indeed, and with the planned GNOME updates for mga2, this can be fixed
+
+
+&gt;<i> However that doesn't fix the update problem if user doesn't update
+</I>&gt;<i> his/hers mga2 up-to-date before ugrading to mga3.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+True, but most will probably jump on the update for mga2,
+for the rest we need to add a versioned conflict.
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+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
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+How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
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+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have asked that too, but drakx-installer-stage2 needs it, 
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+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
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+&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 21:40, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the avoidance of doubt, when you get the new version, please
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> remember to rebuild your initrd too such that the rules make it into the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initrd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Or wait for currently building kernel-3.4.4-2.mga3 to do it for you :)
+</I>
+Well you'll have to be lucky on the order of install - but yes, that did
+cross my mind!!
+
+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 01/07/12 20:48 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 22:44, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:37, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 22:33, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:20, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:    lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Trouble is it will hit us during upgrade from mga2 to mga3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess it need a versioned conflict to force the upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another possible solution would be an updated mga2 pkg to core/updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, and with the planned GNOME updates for mga2, this can be fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However that doesn't fix the update problem if user doesn't update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> his/hers mga2 up-to-date before ugrading to mga3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> True, but most will probably jump on the update for mga2,
+</I>&gt;<i> for the rest we need to add a versioned conflict.
+</I>
+Just for reference (I'll post full details once I've got them worked
+out), the upgrade process from mga2 (or earlier) to mga3 will likely be
+interesting due to the planned usr move.
+
+It will probably require a &quot;preparation&quot; step which will involve booting
+with a special initrd. This will likely need updated packages.
+
+So while we can't guarantee users upgrade *this* package, we might have
+to mandate that users will install at least some updates!
+
+The process itself is actually relatively simple, but I think personally
+it would be nice to get the base bits done before the big rebuild after
+the new glibc comes along as we can use the opportunity to add some
+extra lint rules and tidy up some specs.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 15:33 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, not sure how I can add an Obsoletes to the systemd-debug package....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just remove it manually I guess. Not sure it's worth putting in anything
+</I>&gt;<i> special into things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+we can't , debug needs to be removed and reinstalled if conflicts
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+<PRE>02.07.2012 00:05, D.Morgan skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 15:33 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, not sure how I can add an Obsoletes to the systemd-debug package....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just remove it manually I guess. Not sure it's worth putting in anything
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> special into things.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> we can't , debug needs to be removed and reinstalled if conflicts
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Well, we can add conflicts so urpmi/rpm knows what to do.
+
+Easpecially in this case as udev is merged with systemd, even an
+obsoletes would be ok.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> 02.07.2012 00:05, D.Morgan skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 15:33 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, not sure how I can add an Obsoletes to the systemd-debug package....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just remove it manually I guess. Not sure it's worth putting in anything
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> special into things.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we can't , debug needs to be removed and reinstalled if conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we can add conflicts so urpmi/rpm knows what to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Easpecially in this case as udev is merged with systemd, even an
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoletes would be ok.
+</I>
+how do you add an obsolete in the debug package ?
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+tmb wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name        : fglrx                        Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 8.980                             Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 2.mga3.nonfree                Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Sun Jul  1 22:43:26 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware    Source RPM: (none) Size        : 106734049           
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+ 
+What about the nvidia driver
+
+295.59 has been out since 2012.06.11
+
+
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 02.07.2012 00:05, D.Morgan skrev:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we can't , debug needs to be removed and reinstalled if conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, we can add conflicts so urpmi/rpm knows what to do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Easpecially in this case as udev is merged with systemd, even an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes would be ok.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> how do you add an obsolete in the debug package ?
+</I>&gt;<i> .
+</I>
+Ah, I forgot -debug packages are automatcally created...
+
+Now where did I put the brown paper bag...
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+Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.  
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For the avoidance of doubt, when you get the new version, please
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; remember to rebuild your initrd too such that the rules make it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; into the initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;  
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Or wait for currently building kernel-3.4.4-2.mga3 to do it for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you :)  
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well you'll have to be lucky on the order of install 
+</I>
+The install order did work out.
+
+Booting 3.4.4-server-2.mga3 does not require that 
+nouveau be blacklisted
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+&gt;<i> On Sun,  1 Jul 2012 22:47:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> tmb wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : fglrx                        Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 8.980                             Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 2.mga3.nonfree                Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sun Jul  1 22:43:26 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hardware    Source RPM: (none) Size        : 106734049           
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>  
+</I>&gt;<i> What about the nvidia driver
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 295.59 has been out since 2012.06.11
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Done.
+
+--
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+Thomas
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+ovitters wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> 12051792                         License: LGPLv2+ Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
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+Installation failed:	lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
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+    <B>Steven Tucker</B> 
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+<PRE>Okay, so as promised I am ready to start on MCC2.
+
+I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++, to 
+create a window and buttons.
+Ready to get going on the real code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to 
+hit Cauldron.
+
+I'll start writing out some formal plans, but I have been giving some 
+thought to the code and am starting to form a general overview of how I 
+think it could be coded.
+
+I'll report back once the perl binding arrive and I have some code and 
+plans ready.
+
+Cheers
+
+Steven
+
+On 28/06/12 09:38, Steven Tucker wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Angelo,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> great to see you put your hand up.
+</I>&gt;<i> My position at the moment, is to get through this week at work, then 
+</I>&gt;<i> starting Monday begin work on this project.
+</I>&gt;<i> The first step is to port the relevant libYui and related libraries 
+</I>&gt;<i> which is what I had planned to work on next week, but if Matteo is 
+</I>&gt;<i> working on this then that will work out great (I am just an apprentice 
+</I>&gt;<i> with only 2 packages to date, so perhaps not the best person for that 
+</I>&gt;<i> job).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To begin with, I planned to make a basic proof of concept Control 
+</I>&gt;<i> Centre, so just simply a copy of the current main window of MCC but 
+</I>&gt;<i> without any functionality, just to see it work across the widget sets. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then work on a single module to work out some standards and 
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation, how to make it as easy as possible for others to come 
+</I>&gt;<i> along and add a module.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand the desire to have everything in the one language (and 
+</I>&gt;<i> the obvious choice is perl due to inertia), however I am not 
+</I>&gt;<i> personally against individual modules being in python/perl/C++, the 
+</I>&gt;<i> reason is that there are people who potentially would add a module but 
+</I>&gt;<i> don't want to use a language they are not familiar with and would only 
+</I>&gt;<i> use for that module and nothing else. So I guess I would like to give 
+</I>&gt;<i> options so that entry to contribution is as easy as it can be. This 
+</I>&gt;<i> all started for me when I looked into writing a module I wanted but 
+</I>&gt;<i> found very little documentation, and realised it would be more work to 
+</I>&gt;<i> make my module available in curses as well at gtk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as other contributors, I only have one willing to dive into 
+</I>&gt;<i> code, but it is very convenient as we work together (We just finished 
+</I>&gt;<i> setting up our new Mageia Cluster and so now are ready for more Mageia 
+</I>&gt;<i> goodness :-P  ) so a very small group at the moment, but to be honest, 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that is probably a good thing in the early stages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I said, I have to get through this week at work first, a week of 
+</I>&gt;<i> deadlines, but then I can start writing some more concrete plans, and 
+</I>&gt;<i> start playing with the code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll make contact again in a few days when I am ready to get going.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tuxta
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 28/06/12 08:02, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposal[1] has been accepted[2] and has to be merged with mine[3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Il 13/06/2012 14:35, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This proposal may be a bit different to the several others you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have seen in that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The Ui layer is provided by libYui and friends, and the logic is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already there in mcc. With the perl bindings to libYui the effort
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is no where near as large as a rewrite, which I imagine the several
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other proposals were. I would prefer it all to be written in C++,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but that would be more work than adapting the current perl code, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you see it's not just pie in the sky, I have actually put some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thought into it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In a first read i understood the idea was to provide a new gui
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> abstraction layer, and you told me the suggested libYui library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is written in C++ with some script bindings (one for all perl) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> since I'm not a perl programmer and i know C++ and QT (something on GTk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also) i could help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So should i assume you want to rewrite all?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Steven, can you please point me and other potential contributors
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to your plans?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Planning is also needed to our proposal to be definitely accepted :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have a lot of spare time, but i will help as much as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Matteo Pasotti is adding libyui to mageia repository so we could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start using it, I do also believe he's going to help us as well :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let's start this new adventure...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Angelo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [2] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [3] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Mon,  2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name        : evolution                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relocatable) Version     : 3.5.3.1                           Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mon Jul  2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Networking/Mail               Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 12051792                         License: LGPLv2+ Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager    : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed:	lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>
+New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+
+Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+can do.
+
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 18:15 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the wrong way to invoke gdb. You need:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> $ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And in the gdb prompt:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> $ r /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You can also use a --command start-up flag for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Thanks Shlomi!  Here's the results - I guess I need to open a formal bug
+now:
+
+Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
+[Switching to Thread 0x7fffe8043700 (LWP 5147)]
+Perl_csighandler (sig=17, sip=&lt;optimized out&gt;, uap=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at
+mg.c:1381
+1381               (sig == SIGSEGV || (PL_signals &amp;
+PERL_SIGNALS_UNSAFE_FLAG)))
+(gdb) bt
+#0  Perl_csighandler (sig=17, sip=&lt;optimized out&gt;, uap=&lt;optimized out&gt;)
+at mg.c:1381
+#1  &lt;signal handler called&gt;
+#2  0x00007ffff6a8f378 in __GI___poll (fds=&lt;optimized out&gt;,
+nfds=&lt;optimized out&gt;, timeout=&lt;optimized out&gt;)
+    at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/poll.c:87
+#3  0x00007ffff2b06ef6 in ?? () from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+#4  0x00007ffff2b0735a in g_main_loop_run ()
+from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+#5  0x00007fffec67b4e6 in ?? () from /lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0
+#6  0x00007ffff2b28ac5 in ?? () from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+#7  0x00007ffff6d51c7d in start_thread (arg=0x7fffe8043700) at
+pthread_create.c:301
+#8  0x00007ffff6a97f4d in clone ()
+at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:112
+#9  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
+
+R.Fox
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+&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 23:05, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+</I>&gt;<i> but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+</I>&gt;<i> the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+</I>&gt;<i> reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> so we need to fix that dep first.
+</I>
+So we could add the suggests for mga2 and plan removal for mga3? (although if 
+people report bugs against it, it means they use it... So maybe we should not 
+remove it after all?)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 02/07/12 08:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 1 juillet 2012 23:08:55 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 23:05, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so we need to fix that dep first.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So we could add the suggests for mga2 and plan removal for mga3? (although if 
+</I>&gt;<i> people report bugs against it, it means they use it... So maybe we should not 
+</I>&gt;<i> remove it after all?)
+</I>
+Well people using it is half the puzzle... people willing to maintain it
+is the other half! If someone steps up to maintain it, I'm sure we'd
+happily still include it!
+
+Col
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+On 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker wrote:
+&gt;<i> Okay, so as promised I am ready to start on MCC2.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real
+</I>&gt;<i> code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll start writing out some formal plans, but I have been giving
+</I>&gt;<i> some thought to the code and am starting to form a general overview
+</I>&gt;<i> of how I think it could be coded.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll report back once the perl binding arrive and I have some code
+</I>&gt;<i> and plans ready.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Steven
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Hi all,
+I had no much time to work on the perl binding for libyui during the
+past week.
+I was working on the libyui-ncurses package (-qt and -gtk are already
+available and working) but I encountered some difficulties and now
+Angelo is helping me so I can start to port libyui bindings.
+Regards
+- -- 
+Matteo
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 1 juillet 2012 23:08:55 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 23:05, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so we need to fix that dep first.
+</I>&gt;<i> So we could add the suggests for mga2 and plan removal for mga3? (although if
+</I>&gt;<i> people report bugs against it, it means they use it... So maybe we should not
+</I>&gt;<i> remove it after all?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I am using it.
+Thomas
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+</I>&gt;<i> others but it got worse . . . how can I reset to &quot;default&quot; style for
+</I>&gt;<i> Evolution??
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+    <B>Manuel Hiebel</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 1 juillet 2012 23:08:55 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 23:05, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so we need to fix that dep first.
+</I>&gt;<i> So we could add the suggests for mga2 and plan removal for mga3? (although if
+</I>&gt;<i> people report bugs against it, it means they use it... So maybe we should not
+</I>&gt;<i> remove it after all?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>Well since there is a direct entry in drakconf, I guess a lot of people 
+click on it
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6326">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6326</A>
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:05:46 +0200
+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 18:15 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's the wrong way to invoke gdb. You need:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And in the gdb prompt:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ r /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can also use a --command start-up flag for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Shlomi!  Here's the results - I guess I need to open a formal bug
+</I>&gt;<i> now:
+</I>
+You're welcome. However, it seems that your stack trace is missing some debug
+packages. Please try to install them and to reproduce the stack trace again.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
+</I>&gt;<i> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffe8043700 (LWP 5147)]
+</I>&gt;<i> Perl_csighandler (sig=17, sip=&lt;optimized out&gt;, uap=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at
+</I>&gt;<i> mg.c:1381
+</I>&gt;<i> 1381               (sig == SIGSEGV || (PL_signals &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> PERL_SIGNALS_UNSAFE_FLAG)))
+</I>&gt;<i> (gdb) bt
+</I>&gt;<i> #0  Perl_csighandler (sig=17, sip=&lt;optimized out&gt;, uap=&lt;optimized out&gt;)
+</I>&gt;<i> at mg.c:1381
+</I>&gt;<i> #1  &lt;signal handler called&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> #2  0x00007ffff6a8f378 in __GI___poll (fds=&lt;optimized out&gt;,
+</I>&gt;<i> nfds=&lt;optimized out&gt;, timeout=&lt;optimized out&gt;)
+</I>&gt;<i>     at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/poll.c:87
+</I>&gt;<i> #3  0x00007ffff2b06ef6 in ?? () from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #4  0x00007ffff2b0735a in g_main_loop_run ()
+</I>&gt;<i> from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #5  0x00007fffec67b4e6 in ?? () from /lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #6  0x00007ffff2b28ac5 in ?? () from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #7  0x00007ffff6d51c7d in start_thread (arg=0x7fffe8043700) at
+</I>&gt;<i> pthread_create.c:301
+</I>&gt;<i> #8  0x00007ffff6a97f4d in clone ()
+</I>&gt;<i> at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:112
+</I>&gt;<i> #9  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+
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+    <B>Hugo Pereira Da Costa</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I use KDE under Cauldrun and Evolution - and Oxygen-gtk style - tried
+</I>&gt;<i> others but it got worse . . . how can I reset to &quot;default&quot; style for
+</I>&gt;<i> Evolution??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>The screenshot is the result of a new 'feature'  from gtk+-3.5 (wrt 
+gtk+-3.4).
+
+I 'fixed' oxygen-gtk to look good with this change, but so far the fix 
+is only in git master (the gk3 branch).
+
+See <A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk">https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk</A>
+
+you can give a shot at compiling it, its quite straightforward, I think:
+git clone -b gtk3 <A HREF="git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-gtk">git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-gtk</A>
+(and follow readme)
+
+In any case this will be released into oxygen-gtk3-1.1.0 in a couple of 
+weeks.
+
+Hugo (oxygen dev)
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+    <B>Hugo Pereira Da Costa</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 10:02:25AM +0200, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use KDE under Cauldrun and Evolution - and Oxygen-gtk style - tried
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> others but it got worse . . . how can I reset to &quot;default&quot; style for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Evolution??
+</I>&gt;<i> Please start it from Konsole and see if there are any warning or error
+</I>&gt;<i> messages shown.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Re-sending, not sure the first email made it:
+
+The screenshot is the result of a new 'feature'  from gtk+-3.5 (wrt 
+gtk+-3.4).
+
+I 'fixed' oxygen-gtk to look good with this change, but so far the fix 
+is only in git master (the gk3 branch).
+
+See <A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk">https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk</A>
+
+you can give a shot at compiling it, its quite straightforward, I think:
+git clone -b gtk3 <A HREF="git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-gtk">git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-gtk</A>
+(and follow readme)
+
+In any case this will be released into oxygen-gtk3-1.1.0 in a couple of 
+weeks.
+
+Hugo (oxygen dev)
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon,  2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : evolution                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 3.5.3.1                           Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mon Jul  2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Networking/Mail               Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 12051792                         License: LGPLv2+ Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:	lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;<i> can do.
+</I>
+The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+
+I'm not sure of the process here.
+
+Col
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+Il 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real
+</I>&gt;<i> code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron.
+</I>
+A little question here, libyui on sourceforge seems to be stopped at
+release 2.21.1 -about one year ago- and OpenSouse ships 2.21.4 but
+they call it as yast2-XXX, git repository does not have any way to
+build from source but using y2tool, i have a opensouse vm, so i could
+try to start from there, but is that the right way to move?
+I mean every time we have a new version we should have an opnesuse
+machine, or better we should  understand if libyui is dead?
+
+Maybe forking a y2tool? I'm a bit confused
+
+Angelo
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 08:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon,  2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : evolution                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 3.5.3.1                           Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mon Jul  2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Networking/Mail               Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 12051792                         License: LGPLv2+ Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:	lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+</I>&gt;<i> server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+</I>&gt;<i> likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+</I>
+Isn't this whole mess caused by violation of the library policy? The 
+previous packages should have been called: lib(64)edataserverui3.0_1
+and the new ones lib(64)edataserveruit3.0_4 . So any obsoletes of 
+'lib(64)edataserverui4' should not matter (and was likely added because of 
+the same policy violation).
+
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+gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 08:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon,  2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : evolution                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 3.5.3.1                           Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mon Jul  2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Networking/Mail               Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 12051792                         License: LGPLv2+ Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:    lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this whole mess caused by violation of the library policy? The
+</I>&gt;<i> previous packages should have been called: lib(64)edataserverui3.0_1
+</I>&gt;<i> and the new ones lib(64)edataserveruit3.0_4 . So any obsoletes of
+</I>&gt;<i> 'lib(64)edataserverui4' should not matter (and was likely added because
+</I>&gt;<i> of the same policy violation).
+</I>
+Yup seems so.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 02/07/12 12:59 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 08:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mon,  2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Name        : evolution                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; relocatable) Version     : 3.5.3.1                           Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mon Jul  2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Networking/Mail               Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 12051792                         License: LGPLv2+ Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Packager    : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Installation failed:    lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; can do.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't this whole mess caused by violation of the library policy? The
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; previous packages should have been called: lib(64)edataserverui3.0_1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and the new ones lib(64)edataserveruit3.0_4 . So any obsoletes of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'lib(64)edataserverui4' should not matter (and was likely added because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of the same policy violation).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup seems so.
+</I>
+Could someone fix the spec? Nobody maintains it atm.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> Hi, Il 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++, 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A little question here, libyui on sourceforge seems to be stopped
+</I>&gt;<i> at release 2.21.1 -about one year ago- and OpenSouse ships 2.21.4
+</I>&gt;<i> but they call it as yast2-XXX, git repository does not have any way
+</I>&gt;<i> to build from source but using y2tool, i have a opensouse vm, so i
+</I>&gt;<i> could try to start from there, but is that the right way to move? I
+</I>&gt;<i> mean every time we have a new version we should have an opnesuse 
+</I>&gt;<i> machine, or better we should  understand if libyui is dead?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe forking a y2tool? I'm a bit confused
+</I>
+Maybe i was to quick... on github they are using cmake... i'll
+investigate a little bit better...
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Il 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A little question here, libyui on sourceforge seems to be stopped at
+</I>&gt;<i> release 2.21.1 -about one year ago- and OpenSouse ships 2.21.4 but
+</I>&gt;<i> they call it as yast2-XXX, git repository does not have any way to
+</I>&gt;<i> build from source but using y2tool, i have a opensouse vm, so i could
+</I>&gt;<i> try to start from there, but is that the right way to move?
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean every time we have a new version we should have an opnesuse
+</I>&gt;<i> machine, or better we should  understand if libyui is dead?
+</I>
+It seems their intent is to make this library completly independent of
+Suse technologies :
+<A HREF="http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/">http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/</A>
+
+So it should build on non-OpenSUSE machine, and if it's not the case you
+can probably ask them for help.
+
+And their git repositories on github seems to have the latest versions
+tagged :
+<A HREF="https://github.com/libyui">https://github.com/libyui</A>
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+Il 02/07/2012 16:09, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> It seems their intent is to make this library completly independent
+</I>&gt;<i> of Suse technologies : 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/">http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So it should build on non-OpenSUSE machine, and if it's not the
+</I>&gt;<i> case you can probably ask them for help.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And their git repositories on github seems to have the latest
+</I>&gt;<i> versions tagged : <A HREF="https://github.com/libyui">https://github.com/libyui</A>
+</I>Yes Nicolas, i so github, master is not &quot;builtable&quot; yet at least not all
+and not for me at the moment, i'm trying to get in touch with
+developers...
+
+At the moment we built an old version of libyui-ncurses, at least we
+can start working on the project :)
+
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+please reply to the list.
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+On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:17:45 +0200
+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 13:14 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Robert,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:05:46 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 18:15 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; That's the wrong way to invoke gdb. You need:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; $ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; And in the gdb prompt:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; $ r /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; You can also use a --command start-up flag for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Thanks Shlomi!  Here's the results - I guess I need to open a formal bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; now:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You're welcome. However, it seems that your stack trace is missing some debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages. Please try to install them and to reproduce the stack trace again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello Shlomi - I installed what Thierry Vignaud suggested:  
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>
+Looks fine.
+
+&gt;<i> 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>
+That's wrong - it should just be &quot;gdb perl&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>
+&quot;run /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What am I missing??
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I don't think you're missing anything. Don't know what the problem is, but
+maybe gdb does not load all the debug symbols. There's a related bug report
+about it here:
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3417">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3417</A>
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 01:05:40PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 02/07/12 12:59 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 08:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon,  2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : evolution                    Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 3.5.3.1                           Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mon Jul  2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group       :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Networking/Mail               Source RPM: (none) Size        :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 12051792                         License: LGPLv2+ Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:    lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Isn't this whole mess caused by violation of the library policy? The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> previous packages should have been called: lib(64)edataserverui3.0_1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and the new ones lib(64)edataserveruit3.0_4 . So any obsoletes of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'lib(64)edataserverui4' should not matter (and was likely added because
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the same policy violation).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup seems so.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Could someone fix the spec? Nobody maintains it atm.
+</I>
+I think I've fixed this one now... Hopefully the upgrade goes smoothly!
+
+Col
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+Il 02/07/2012 10:09, Matteo ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi all, I had no much time to work on the perl binding for libyui
+</I>&gt;<i> during the past week. I was working on the libyui-ncurses package
+</I>&gt;<i> (-qt and -gtk are already available and working) but I encountered
+</I>&gt;<i> some difficulties and now Angelo is helping me so I can start to
+</I>&gt;<i> port libyui bindings. Regards
+</I>And they've been uploaded.
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+&gt;<i> I think I've fixed this one now... Hopefully the upgrade goes smoothly!
+</I>
+Cool, thanks. Then once I have I'll investigate what was wrong. I often
+reuse spec files.. so all GNOME related spec files must be 100% error
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+when i try to convert an image i get this error:
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+convert: symbol lookup error:
+/usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+<PRE>Le mardi 3 juillet 2012 00:25:48 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> when i try to convert an image i get this error:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> convert -scale '1600x900!' -filter lanczos wallpaper.png
+</I>&gt;<i> wallpaper_1600_900.png convert: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
+</I>&gt;<i> symbol: png_set_check_for_invalid_index
+</I>Imagemagick should probably be rebuild against your png library.
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 3 juillet 2012 00:25:48 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when i try to convert an image i get this error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> convert -scale '1600x900!' -filter lanczos wallpaper.png
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wallpaper_1600_900.png convert: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> symbol: png_set_check_for_invalid_index
+</I>&gt;<i> Imagemagick should probably be rebuild against your png library.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Im using mageia cauldron, i have no png package rebuilt.
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+$ rpm -q lib64png15_15 imagemagick
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+2012/7/3 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2012/7/3 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 3 juillet 2012 00:25:48 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> when i try to convert an image i get this error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> convert -scale '1600x900!' -filter lanczos wallpaper.png
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wallpaper_1600_900.png convert: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> symbol: png_set_check_for_invalid_index
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Imagemagick should probably be rebuild against your png library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Im using mageia cauldron, i have no png package rebuilt.
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we are removing upgrade from installer, we can maybe replace it with
+</I>&gt;<i> something in mgaapplet to allow offline upgrades, similar to what is
+</I>&gt;<i> doing Fedora :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgaapplet could have an option to :
+</I>&gt;<i> - download all updated packages
+</I>&gt;<i> - reboot the system in special system update mode
+</I>&gt;<i> - snapshot filesystems (optionally)
+</I>&gt;<i> - install all updated packages
+</I>&gt;<i> - reboot on the upgraded system, or restore snapshot if upgrade failed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+why don't you add this to that feature?
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>Il 25/06/2012 21:21, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find on this page the policy for selecting features :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have reviewed this morning with ennael all feature proposal submitted
+</I>&gt;<i> on the wiki. You can find the results on this page :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This page is a preliminary list of accepted and rejected features. Some
+</I>&gt;<i> features are interesting (or sometimes mandatory), but are missing
+</I>&gt;<i> details in the description or planning, or don't have enough people that
+</I>&gt;<i> listed themself as interested to participate on the feature. So this
+</I>&gt;<i> needs to be corrected for the features to be moved to accepted list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Planning is :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-06-25:
+</I>&gt;<i>     publication of preliminary list of accepted features
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-06-25 to 2012-07-04:
+</I>&gt;<i>     discussions about features on mailing lists and during IRC meeting
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-07-05:
+</I>&gt;<i>     publication and communication on the final list of Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;<i>     specifications
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So you can now read review of your features, and send comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> questions on this mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
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+cheers,
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+<PRE>On Tue, 03 Jul 2012, Marcello wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>
+&quot;Use checkboxes to choose the DE so it is possible to install more than
+one DE from a DVD edition, without using the custom package selection
+that results far more complicated for newbies&quot;
+
+newbies usually don't want to install more than one DE. And this would
+make the DE selection screen more complicated for people who only want
+one DE.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
+</I>
+Which screenshots are you talking about ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+</I>
+People who want more software can already run the package manager to
+install the packages they need. I'm not sure there is a lot of software
+that everybody wants to be installed that is not included on the livecd.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+</I>
+I don't think this needs a feature page, doc team is already working on
+some documentation. You can see with them if you want to participate in
+documentation.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and nicolas vigier at 03/07/12 12:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 03 Jul 2012, Marcello wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Use checkboxes to choose the DE so it is possible to install more than
+</I>&gt;<i> one DE from a DVD edition, without using the custom package selection
+</I>&gt;<i> that results far more complicated for newbies&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> newbies usually don't want to install more than one DE. And this would
+</I>&gt;<i> make the DE selection screen more complicated for people who only want
+</I>&gt;<i> one DE.
+</I>
+Is that true? Is there any actual data on that or is it just what you've
+noticed over the years? If I'm a newbie, wouldn't I want to try all the
+options and see which is best for me? Do I decide that I like KDE better
+than GNOME or GNOME better then $whatever before I install to try it?
+Wouldn't it be more seasoned users that have already made their choice
+that will be more likely to pick only one. Genuine question - it's very
+hard to make these things non-subjective :D
+
+
+One option to make the UI still work nicely would be having each of the
+DE's offered have a big, clickable button, but with a checkbox below it.
+Clicking on the button would uncheck all other checkboxes and check the
+current one and automatically proceed to the next stage. Otherwise,
+users can tick the boxes as needed and hit the &quot;Next&quot; button themselves.
+
+Just some idle thoughts :)
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
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+    <B>Marcello</B> 
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+<PRE>Il 03/07/2012 13:25, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 03 Jul 2012, Marcello wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Use checkboxes to choose the DE so it is possible to install more than
+</I>&gt;<i> one DE from a DVD edition, without using the custom package selection
+</I>&gt;<i> that results far more complicated for newbies&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> newbies usually don't want to install more than one DE. And this would
+</I>&gt;<i> make the DE selection screen more complicated for people who only want
+</I>&gt;<i> one DE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i agree with the opinion of colin
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which screenshots are you talking about ?
+</I>
+screenshots that are showed during the installation process.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People who want more software can already run the package manager to
+</I>&gt;<i> install the packages they need. I'm not sure there is a lot of software
+</I>&gt;<i> that everybody wants to be installed that is not included on the livecd.
+</I>
+i think that everyone would appreciate if the system proposes to install:
+- all the proprietary drivers your system needs
+- all the multimedia codecs necessary to play your films and music (if 
+possible)
+- some must-have programs related some use cases (e.g. kdenlive, 
+libreoffice) of the computer
+
+i'm thinking about propose to install them, not to force someone to 
+install them).
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think this needs a feature page, doc team is already working on
+</I>&gt;<i> some documentation. You can see with them if you want to participate in
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+if you see my mockup you'll understand that it is related only in a 
+minor way to doc, but the important part of it is the fact that it's a 
+simple plasmoid that it is by default placed in the desktop. the normal 
+documentation is read only by a few people because they think is boring 
+and too stressive. this is more simple, it uses the graphics and only 
+explains how to use the key-feature of the distro.
+
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+cheers
+Marcello
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 01:47:24PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Is that true? Is there any actual data on that or is it just what you've
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed over the years? If I'm a newbie, wouldn't I want to try all the
+</I>&gt;<i> options and see which is best for me? Do I decide that I like KDE better
+</I>&gt;<i> than GNOME or GNOME better then $whatever before I install to try it?
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be more seasoned users that have already made their choice
+</I>&gt;<i> that will be more likely to pick only one. Genuine question - it's very
+</I>&gt;<i> hard to make these things non-subjective :D
+</I>
+I just want the thing to install. For changes, people should be able to
+install more software once it is running. Furthermore, in GNOME the UI
+simplifies (should:P) if less options are available (e.g. if only 1 user
+exists on the system, don't show a switch user option; same for desktop
+session, etc).
+
+Yesterday I did an installation of Mageia 2 in a VM. At one point it
+asks me if I want to install updates, then it asks me 2 times more (the
+usual rpmdrake popups). IMO entirely unneeded. I already said it was
+fine; just do it already. I noticed more options which to me should just
+be done afterwards (e.g. you can even change which services are started;
+I'd just handle that via Puppet).
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+Olav
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+<PRE>2012/7/3 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> What is your version of libpng and imagemagick?
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -q lib64png15_15 imagemagick
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/7/3 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/7/3 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 3 juillet 2012 00:25:48 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> when i try to convert an image i get this error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> convert -scale '1600x900!' -filter lanczos wallpaper.png
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wallpaper_1600_900.png convert: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> symbol: png_set_check_for_invalid_index
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Imagemagick should probably be rebuild against your png library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Im using mageia cauldron, i have no png package rebuilt.
+</I>
+Now i saw that some libs werent updated, now is running ok, sorry for the noise.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> One option to make the UI still work nicely would be having each of the
+</I>&gt;<i> DE's offered have a big, clickable button, but with a checkbox below it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Clicking on the button would uncheck all other checkboxes and check the
+</I>&gt;<i> current one and automatically proceed to the next stage. Otherwise,
+</I>&gt;<i> users can tick the boxes as needed and hit the &quot;Next&quot; button themselves.
+</I>
+I have no problems for this, but then which dm is being used? and can each dm 
+load other DE's? imho, it calls for more things that can go wrong related to 
+installing.
+
+but if someone does the work and maintain it, i have no problems with it, 
+allthough personally, it's not high priority at all.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; People who want more software can already run the package manager to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; install the packages they need. I'm not sure there is a lot of software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that everybody wants to be installed that is not included on the livecd.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i think that everyone would appreciate if the system proposes to install:
+</I>&gt;<i> - all the proprietary drivers your system needs
+</I>&gt;<i> - all the multimedia codecs necessary to play your films and music (if
+</I>&gt;<i> possible)
+</I>&gt;<i> - some must-have programs related some use cases (e.g. kdenlive,
+</I>&gt;<i> libreoffice) of the computer
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm thinking about propose to install them, not to force someone to
+</I>&gt;<i> install them).
+</I>[...]
+
+I don't like too many questions/popups, and i'd prefer this to be handled 
+differently, with choosing the right iso (installation method) for you.
+
+I'd rather this be talked after we decided what kind of iso's we're gonna have 
+and which not.
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+<PRE>There are several packages that need security updates that either have not been built yet, or there are some issues that need help and/or input from packagers.
+
+Please help out with these where you can.
+
+I'll try to organize these into categories and give a little info on them so it's easy to see if you can and want to help.
+
+Web apps
+--------
+mediawiki - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated.  Several security issues are present.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+
+dokuwiki - needs updated to 2012-01-25a version, already in Cauldron.  Cauldron package does have a bug that needs fixing.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480</A>
+
+wordpress - needs updated to 3.4.1, also QA has found some bugs in the current package.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065</A>
+
+viewvc - needs updated to 1.1.15
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6551">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6551</A>
+
+ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+
+drupal - update built, issues found by QA need fixing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844</A>
+
+
+GNOME software
+--------------
+libgdata - update needed for Mageia 1, may require patch or upgrade to libsoup
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330</A>
+
+libvirt - patch available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526</A>
+
+vte - patch available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161</A>
+
+gjs - doesn't rebuild against xulrunner in Mageia 1, but doesn't seem to be used by anything
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382</A>
+
+
+Games
+-----
+ioquake3, openarena, urbanterror, alienarena - affected by DoS bug in quake3 engine
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496</A>
+
+
+Java-related
+------------
+poi - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011</A>
+apache-commons-compress - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331</A>
+spring2 - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625</A>
+eclipse - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6611">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6611</A>
+avalon-framework - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4524">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4524</A>
+jsr-305 - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4525</A>
+
+
+Ruby-related
+------------
+Several security issues, at least one packaging issue, and an rpm issue
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487</A>
+<A HREF="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/16419/match=ruby">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/16419/match=ruby</A>
+
+
+No response has been received from packagers yet
+------------------------------------------------
+graphicsmagick - needs updated to 1.3.16 or patch backported, upstream patch linked in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561</A>
+
+python-httplib2 - possible basis for patch (based on patch from SuSE) available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6568">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6568</A>
+
+openconnect - needs updated to at least 3.18 or patched (upstream patch linked in bug), possible bug also found by user
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6504">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6504</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6627">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6627</A>
+
+dropbear - Debian and upstream patches differ, no response received from upstream either.  Patch proposed.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611</A>
+
+busybox - link to upstream patch available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673</A>
+
+gc - links to upstream and Fedora patches available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652</A>
+
+abrt/libreport/btparser - should probably be upgraded to newer versions available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523</A>
+
+sos - 62 patches available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525</A>
+
+v8 - might need to be updated to newer version
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679</A>
+
+php-ZendFramework - patches available from Debian
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6666">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6666</A>
+
+
+In progress (help needed to finish)
+-----------------------------------
+sympa - update needs to be built for Mageia 2, issues have been found by QA that need fixed
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+
+groff - several scripts apparently need moved from main package to groff-perl (whose description needs rewritten or rethought), security issue already patched
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379</A>
+
+python - update for Mageia 2 built, update for Mageia 1 still needed (patches possibly available from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
+
+cifs-utils/samba - cifs-utils is actually already done, patch needs applied to Samba as well
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5714">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5714</A>
+
+gajim - there is a requires or suggests missing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</A>
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+<PRE>I missed one in my last e-mail.  This one is in progress, but I need help.
+
+Something is broken in Cauldron and apache-mod_security will no longer build there.
+
+Update for Mageia 2 is in SVN and ready to go once this is fixed.
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+    <I>Wed Jul  4 01:21:45 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Sorry, think I've got them all now.
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+For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
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+For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+    <I>Wed Jul  4 01:54:33 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here is a small HOWTO about using OpenSSL with Mageia Cauldron applications
+</I>&gt;<i> that broke with the new version of the &quot;openssl&quot; package (1.0.1), such as svn
+</I>&gt;<i> with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> URLs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Download openssl-1.0.0j.tar.gz from:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.openssl.org/source/">http://www.openssl.org/source/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Unpack it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Use the following shell script to configure it (you can customise the
+</I>&gt;<i> ossl_pref prefix to your liking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i> #!/bin/bash
+</I>&gt;<i> ossl_pref=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> ./config --prefix=&quot;$ossl_pref&quot; --openssldir=&quot;$ossl_pref/openssl&quot; shared
+</I>&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is more coverage of this here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl">http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Add the following lines to your .bashrc:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i> oldssl()
+</I>&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;<i>     export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl/lib/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. Now when you want to use svn with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> or whatever just type &quot;oldssl&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've tried to fix svn in Cauldron, but rebuilding it didn't help, and trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuild libneon0.27 caused &quot;%check&quot; to fail. This was reported here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html">http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I am not on the ML so can't reply to the thread but debug.log seems to
+be the interesting one:
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+******* Running test 18: client_cert_pkcs12 ********
+HTTP session to <A HREF="https://localhost:7777">https://localhost:7777</A> begins.
+ssl: SNI enabled by default.
+ssl: Match common name 'ignored.example.com' against ''
+Identity match for '': bad
+ssl: Match common name 'nowhere.example.com' against ''
+Identity match for '': bad
+Running pre_send hooks
+Sending request headers:
+GET /foo HTTP/1.1^M
+Keep-Alive: ^M
+Connection: TE, Keep-Alive^M
+TE: trailers^M
+Host: localhost:7777^M
+^M
+Sending request-line and headers:
+Doing DNS lookup on localhost...
+req: Connecting to 127.0.0.1:7777
+Doing SSL negotiation.
+Supplying client certificate.
+sess: Closing connection.
+sess: Connection closed.
+Request ends, status 0 class 0xx, error line:
+SSL handshake failed: SSL error: digest too big for rsa key
+Running destroy hooks.
+Request ends.
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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here is a small HOWTO about using OpenSSL with Mageia Cauldron applications
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that broke with the new version of the &quot;openssl&quot; package (1.0.1), such as svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> URLs:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Download openssl-1.0.0j.tar.gz from:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.openssl.org/source/">http://www.openssl.org/source/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Unpack it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Use the following shell script to configure it (you can customise the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ossl_pref prefix to your liking:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #!/bin/bash
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ossl_pref=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ./config --prefix=&quot;$ossl_pref&quot; --openssldir=&quot;$ossl_pref/openssl&quot; shared
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is more coverage of this here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl">http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4. Add the following lines to your .bashrc:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> oldssl()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl/lib/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5. Now when you want to use svn with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> or whatever just type &quot;oldssl&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've tried to fix svn in Cauldron, but rebuilding it didn't help, and trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rebuild libneon0.27 caused &quot;%check&quot; to fail. This was reported here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html">http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not on the ML so can't reply to the thread but debug.log seems to
+</I>&gt;<i> be the interesting one:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ******* Running test 18: client_cert_pkcs12 ********
+</I>&gt;<i> HTTP session to <A HREF="https://localhost:7777">https://localhost:7777</A> begins.
+</I>&gt;<i> ssl: SNI enabled by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> ssl: Match common name 'ignored.example.com' against ''
+</I>&gt;<i> Identity match for '': bad
+</I>&gt;<i> ssl: Match common name 'nowhere.example.com' against ''
+</I>&gt;<i> Identity match for '': bad
+</I>&gt;<i> Running pre_send hooks
+</I>&gt;<i> Sending request headers:
+</I>&gt;<i> GET /foo HTTP/1.1^M
+</I>&gt;<i> Keep-Alive: ^M
+</I>&gt;<i> Connection: TE, Keep-Alive^M
+</I>&gt;<i> TE: trailers^M
+</I>&gt;<i> Host: localhost:7777^M
+</I>&gt;<i> ^M
+</I>&gt;<i> Sending request-line and headers:
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing DNS lookup on localhost...
+</I>&gt;<i> req: Connecting to 127.0.0.1:7777
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing SSL negotiation.
+</I>&gt;<i> Supplying client certificate.
+</I>&gt;<i> sess: Closing connection.
+</I>&gt;<i> sess: Connection closed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Request ends, status 0 class 0xx, error line:
+</I>&gt;<i> SSL handshake failed: SSL error: digest too big for rsa key
+</I>&gt;<i> Running destroy hooks.
+</I>&gt;<i> Request ends.
+</I>
+Also, <A HREF="https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/2991">https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/2991</A>
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+On 03/07/12 19:34, AL13N wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i think that everyone would appreciate if the system proposes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to install: - all the proprietary drivers your system needs -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> all the multimedia codecs necessary to play your films and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> music (if possible) - some must-have programs related some use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cases (e.g. kdenlive, libreoffice) of the computer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i'm thinking about propose to install them, not to force
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> someone to install them).
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't like too many questions/popups, and i'd prefer this to be
+</I>&gt;<i> handled differently, with choosing the right iso (installation
+</I>&gt;<i> method) for you.
+</I>
+Can I add a user perspective?  I think that even proposing to add
+proprietary drivers will alienate some people, and it's probably not
+in Mageia's interest either.  Instead, I have another proposal.
+
+When the installation reaches the point where it has traditionally
+asked if you want to update the packages, instead, have a paused page
+which says that Mageia recommends immediate update, which can be done
+through Mageia Control Center.  It should also say that if proprietary
+drivers or codecs are needed, the following sources should be enabled:
+xxx (could be worded to include other non-core packages).
+
+FWIW, I never expect the during-install update to work.  I think it
+was my cauldron install where it did work, and no-one was more
+surprised than I was :-)  I do believe it's the first time I've seen
+it work in all the years I've been using this or related distros :-D
+I suspect that it's fairly rare that the internet connection is
+working in time for success.
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:56:18 -0700
+Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sess: Connection closed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Request ends, status 0 class 0xx, error line:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; SSL handshake failed: SSL error: digest too big for rsa key
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Running destroy hooks.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Request ends.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, <A HREF="https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/2991">https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/2991</A>
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+Thanks! libneon's maintainer gave me a patch based on that, and I've now
+included it in libneon's Cauldron package, which fixed Subversion's <A HREF="https://">https://</A>
+support here.
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+Regards,
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+Could someone please tell me what to look for, and where, to solve
+this puzzle?
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+- --------------------- iptables firewall Begin ------------------------
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+ Listed by source hosts:
+ Dropped 9 packets on interface eth0
+   From 192.168.0.40 - 9 packets to tcp(38575)
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+ ---------------------- iptables firewall End -------------------------
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+The machine in question is my mail/file/print server, running a
+secondary firewall inside the NAT router.  Port 38575 appears to be
+unassigned, and I've only seen such messages for the last couple of days.
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+I'm pretty sure that the server hasn't been _directly_ used, i.e. with
+login to actual physical box, during that time, so the likelihood
+seems to be some service other systems on the LAN are calling for
+something.
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+Any ideas about how to go about tracing this?  I can't find it in any
+of the logs on the server.  I'm working on the logs on the laptops.
+
+Anne
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/</A>
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+Cheers
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+Col
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/</A>
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> i think that everyone would appreciate if the system proposes to install:
+</I>&gt;<i> - all the proprietary drivers your system needs
+</I>
+Then we should start shipping non-free DVDs, so that those of us who doesn't wish to use or have anything to do with proprietary drivers can easily avoid it.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+available:
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+# ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+|<i> wc -l
+</I>42
+# ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+|<i> wc -l
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+A meeting is planned tonight on #mageia-dev at 19 UTC.
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+    <B>Stefan Wilhelm</B> 
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+I know my proposal for Mageia3 was late - maybe too late. Sorry for that.
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+Anyway it would be nice to get some feedback as....
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+[  ] interesting but it seems nobody is willing to jump into this
+[  ] interesting but we don&#180;t have the manpower to do this
+[  ] nobody is interested in a tool like that
+[  ] Quickformat is senseless so it is denied
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+Even &quot;shut up this is ridiculous&quot; would be an answer   :-)
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+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could someone please tell me what to look for, and where, to solve
+</I>&gt;<i> this puzzle?
+</I>
+Where do this message come from? I have never seen any such messages
+for iptables drops.
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+&gt;<i> - --------------------- iptables firewall Begin ------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Listed by source hosts:
+</I>&gt;<i>  Dropped 9 packets on interface eth0
+</I>&gt;<i>    From 192.168.0.40 - 9 packets to tcp(38575)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  ---------------------- iptables firewall End -------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The machine in question is my mail/file/print server, running a
+</I>&gt;<i> secondary firewall inside the NAT router.  Port 38575 appears to be
+</I>&gt;<i> unassigned, and I've only seen such messages for the last couple of days.
+</I>
+Which machine in question? The one displaying this message or 192.168.0.40?
+
+&gt;<i> I'm pretty sure that the server hasn't been _directly_ used, i.e. with
+</I>&gt;<i> login to actual physical box, during that time, so the likelihood
+</I>&gt;<i> seems to be some service other systems on the LAN are calling for
+</I>&gt;<i> something.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas about how to go about tracing this?  I can't find it in any
+</I>&gt;<i> of the logs on the server.  I'm working on the logs on the laptops.
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, Stefan Wilhelm wrote:
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+&gt;<i> HI everybody!   :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As suggested in the Mageia wiki here is an email to make some advertising
+</I>&gt;<i> for my feature request for Cauldron3.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Before Mageia I was using Pardus and in the last version there was a very
+</I>&gt;<i> handy tool introduced:   Quickformat
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it is possible to implement this handy tool into Mageia although it
+</I>&gt;<i> is not longer maintained.
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO those little tools help to break the edges and proof that is is
+</I>&gt;<i> created not only with brain, also with heart.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe You have to remove some specific pardus code but is should not be a
+</I>&gt;<i> big deal for an expert.  :o)
+</I>
+If this tool is no longer maintained, I think it needs someone who wants
+to be the maintainer of this software, and setup a code repository
+somewhere.
+
+Do you know why the upstream developers did not continue maintaining it ?
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> For mine, it was obvious without explicitly listing it, and the comment here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> makes it pretty clear it was obvious.  Regardless, I have added it now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So what is still missing is someone to implement the drakx changes ? Or
+</I>&gt;<i> you think you can do that part too ?
+</I>
+Whoa, this is crazy.  You expect that to be fully filled out in the first pass of proposals?  That 
+doesn't make any sense.
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+Let's just say for example, there's a developer who would be implicated in 25 proposals that are 
+submitted.  25 is too many for them to commit to implementing, though they would be interested in 
+helping with which ever ones are accepted.  So they either have to 1) not sign up for any of them 
+because there's too many or 2) sign up for all of them, expecting only 10 or so will be accepted, 
+which would be manageable for them, but if more are accepted, then what?
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+This should be a two pass process.  First proposals are submitted, then once you make the 
+determination of which ones look good enough to be conditionally accepted, then people can sign up 
+as &quot;resources&quot; to commit to helping implement ones from that smaller set.  I had also assumed this 
+is how it would work (it's really the only reasonable way).
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+For the record, I may be able to do the DrakX code changes if I know which part of the code to look 
+at.  It's possible someone else may be interested in helping too, but I wouldn't expect anyone else 
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+Hash: SHA1
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+On 04/07/12 15:42, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could someone please tell me what to look for, and where, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solve this puzzle?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Where do this message come from? I have never seen any such
+</I>&gt;<i> messages for iptables drops.
+</I>
+I run logwatch, which is where I found this report.
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - --------------------- iptables firewall Begin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Listed by source hosts: Dropped 9 packets on interface eth0 From
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 192.168.0.40 - 9 packets to tcp(38575)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ---------------------- iptables firewall End
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The machine in question is my mail/file/print server, running a 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> secondary firewall inside the NAT router.  Port 38575 appears to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be unassigned, and I've only seen such messages for the last
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> couple of days.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Which machine in question? The one displaying this message or
+</I>&gt;<i> 192.168.0.40?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>192.168.0.40 is the mail/file/print server, running Scientific Linux
+6.2.  Come to think of it, it sounds as though this laptop (Tosh) is
+reporting that the server is sending packets on 38575 to Tosh.  I've
+been through the main logs on the server, though, and can't find
+anything significant, which is why I'm feeling a bit stuck.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I'm pretty sure that the server hasn't been _directly_ used, i.e.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with login to actual physical box, during that time, so the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> likelihood seems to be some service other systems on the LAN are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> calling for something.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any ideas about how to go about tracing this?  I can't find it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any of the logs on the server.  I'm working on the logs on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> laptops.
+</I>
+Anne
+- -- 
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+<PRE>On Wed, 04 Jul 2012, David Walser wrote:
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For mine, it was obvious without explicitly listing it, and the comment here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; makes it pretty clear it was obvious.  Regardless, I have added it now:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So what is still missing is someone to implement the drakx changes ? Or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you think you can do that part too ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Whoa, this is crazy.  You expect that to be fully filled out in the first pass of proposals?  That 
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't make any sense.
+</I>
+No, that's why there is a second pass.
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's just say for example, there's a developer who would be implicated in 25 proposals that are 
+</I>&gt;<i> submitted.  25 is too many for them to commit to implementing, though they would be interested in 
+</I>&gt;<i> helping with which ever ones are accepted.  So they either have to 1) not sign up for any of them 
+</I>&gt;<i> because there's too many or 2) sign up for all of them, expecting only 10 or so will be accepted, 
+</I>&gt;<i> which would be manageable for them, but if more are accepted, then what?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This should be a two pass process.  First proposals are submitted, then once you make the 
+</I>&gt;<i> determination of which ones look good enough to be conditionally accepted, then people can sign up 
+</I>&gt;<i> as &quot;resources&quot; to commit to helping implement ones from that smaller set.  I had also assumed this 
+</I>&gt;<i> is how it would work (it's really the only reasonable way).
+</I>
+This is already how it works, if you read features policy page :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance</A>
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+Features which have been listed in status &quot;Resource needed&quot; need to have
+people sign up as resources.
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+&gt;<i> For the record, I may be able to do the DrakX code changes if I know which part of the code to look 
+</I>&gt;<i> at.  It's possible someone else may be interested in helping too, but I wouldn't expect anyone else 
+</I>&gt;<i> to commit to that just yet.
+</I>
+Then you should list yourself as doing the DrakX code changes.
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+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then check your /etc/pam.d/system-auth (or /etc/pam.d/sshd which should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> include system-auth).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The system-auth we ship includes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -session    optional      pam_systemd.so
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> My system-auth is pushed via puppet to setup ldap authentication.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So at time I'll add this to sshd pam config file.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how other sys admin does to automated setup of their servers.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>
+/etc/pam.d/system-auth is modified by msec, so on upgrades it's usually installed as a .rpmnew file, 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and nicolas vigier at 03/07/12 12:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 03 Jul 2012, Marcello wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Use checkboxes to choose the DE so it is possible to install more than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; one DE from a DVD edition, without using the custom package selection
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that results far more complicated for newbies&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; newbies usually don't want to install more than one DE. And this would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make the DE selection screen more complicated for people who only want
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; one DE.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that true? Is there any actual data on that or is it just what you've
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed over the years? If I'm a newbie, wouldn't I want to try all the
+</I>&gt;<i> options and see which is best for me? Do I decide that I like KDE better
+</I>&gt;<i> than GNOME or GNOME better then $whatever before I install to try it?
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be more seasoned users that have already made their choice
+</I>&gt;<i> that will be more likely to pick only one. Genuine question - it's very
+</I>&gt;<i> hard to make these things non-subjective :D
+</I>
+It's not based on any actual data. But I think people who install both
+DE is not the majority. The goal of this screen is to be as simple as
+possible, but people who want less simple package selection can still
+select &quot;Custom&quot; mode.
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+The screen currently looks like this :
+<A HREF="http://doc.mageia.org/content/images/dx2-chooseDesktop.png">http://doc.mageia.org/content/images/dx2-chooseDesktop.png</A>
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+If we replace KDE and Gnome with check boxes, we still need the Custom
+one to disable KDE and Gnome boxes. So I think it will make a more
+complicate screen, for no clear benefits because it's already possible
+to install more than one DE by selectiong custom mode.
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; 
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I><A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192</A>
+9/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+</I>&gt;<i> available:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;<i> 42
+</I>&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;<i> 20
+</I>
+Yes, either a sysadmin could delete everything that was built from the qt4 SRPM in updates_testing 
+or the subrel could be bumped, then qt4 could be rebuilt and it should be fine.  It'd be nice to 
+know why these packages disappeared though.  It's not the first time something like this has 
+happened.
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+<PRE>I'm not going to update this thread every day or anything, but I just wanted to consolidate the 
+three threads I made, and update this based on the initial flurry of activity it created.  Thanks.
+
+......... updated initial message below ........
+
+There are several packages that need security updates that either have not been built yet, or there 
+are some issues that need help and/or input from packagers.
+
+Please help out with these where you can.
+
+I'll try to organize these into categories and give a little info on them so it's easy to see if 
+you can and want to help.
+
+Web apps
+--------
+mediawiki - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated.  Several 
+security issues are present.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+
+dokuwiki - needs updated to 2012-01-25a version, already in Cauldron.  Cauldron package does have a 
+bug that needs fixing.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480</A>
+
+wordpress - needs updated to 3.4.1, also QA has found some bugs in the current package.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065</A>
+
+viewvc - needs updated to 1.1.15
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6551">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6551</A>
+
+ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+
+drupal - update built, issues found by QA need fixing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844</A>
+
+
+GNOME software
+--------------
+libgdata - update needed for Mageia 1, may require patch or upgrade to libsoup
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330</A>
+
+libvirt - patch available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526</A>
+
+vte - patch available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161</A>
+
+gjs - doesn't rebuild against xulrunner in Mageia 1, but doesn't seem to be used by anything
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382</A>
+
+
+Games
+-----
+ioquake3, openarena, urbanterror, alienarena - affected by DoS bug in quake3 engine
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496</A>
+
+
+Java-related
+------------
+poi - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011</A>
+apache-commons-compress - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331</A>
+spring2 - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625</A>
+eclipse - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6611">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6611</A>
+
+
+Ruby-related
+------------
+Several security issues, at least one packaging issue, and an rpm issue
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487</A>
+<A HREF="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/16419/match=ruby">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/16419/match=ruby</A>
+
+
+No response has been received from packagers yet
+------------------------------------------------
+avidemux/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg - should be able to borrow patches from mplayer for mga1 (ffmpeg git 
+for mga2)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+
+graphicsmagick - needs updated to 1.3.16 or patch backported, upstream patch linked in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561</A>
+
+python-httplib2 - possible basis for patch (based on patch from SuSE) available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6568">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6568</A>
+
+openconnect - needs updated to at least 3.18 or patched (upstream patch linked in bug), possible 
+bug also found by user
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6504">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6504</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6627">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6627</A>
+
+dropbear - Debian and upstream patches differ, no response received from upstream either.  Patch 
+proposed.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611</A>
+
+busybox - link to upstream patch available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673</A>
+
+gc - links to upstream and Fedora patches available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652</A>
+
+abrt/libreport/btparser - should probably be upgraded to newer versions available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523</A>
+
+sos - 62 patches available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525</A>
+
+v8 - might need to be updated to newer version
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679</A>
+
+php-ZendFramework - patches available from Debian
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6666">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6666</A>
+
+
+In progress (help needed to finish)
+-----------------------------------
+sympa - update needs to be built for Mageia 2, issues have been found by QA that need fixed
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+
+apache-mod_security - update is in SVN in Cauldron and Mageia 2, but won't build in Cauldron
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6678">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6678</A>
+
+krb5 - update built, but some issues found by QA need fixing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+
+groff - several scripts apparently need moved from main package to groff-perl (whose description 
+needs rewritten or rethought), security issue already patched
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379</A>
+
+python - update for Mageia 2 built, update for Mageia 1 still needed (patches possibly available 
+from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
+
+cifs-utils/samba - cifs-utils is actually already done, patch needs applied to Samba as well
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5714">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5714</A>
+
+gajim - there is a requires or suggests missing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</A>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 9/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 42
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 20
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, either a sysadmin could delete everything that was built from the qt4 SRPM in updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> or the subrel could be bumped, then qt4 could be rebuilt and it should be fine.  It'd be nice to
+</I>&gt;<i> know why these packages disappeared though.  It's not the first time something like this has
+</I>&gt;<i> happened.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+no we need to find why it fails. i resubmited and twice with the same result.
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+    <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B> 
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+<PRE>On 04.07.2012 00:34, kamil wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name        : python-gobject3              Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 3.3.3.1                           Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Tue Jul  3 23:33:08 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : Development/Python            Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 591854                           License: LGPLv2+ and MIT
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : kamil &lt;kamil&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org">http://www.gnome.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Python bindings for GObject Introspection
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The python-gobject3 package provides a convenient wrapper for the GObject library
+</I>&gt;<i> for use in Python programs.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> kamil &lt;kamil&gt; 3.3.3.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 267105
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 3.3.3.1
+</I>&gt;<i> - remove P0 (not used anymore)
+</I>&gt;<i> - new P0 pygobject-3.3.3.1-fix-segfault-with-class-interface-mismatch.patch from Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Could it be possible to also build python3 version of python-gi? New
+version of one sw I'm using needs it..
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+<PRE>Le 04/07/2012 17:53, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, Stefan Wilhelm wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> HI everybody!   :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As suggested in the Mageia wiki here is an email to make some advertising
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for my feature request for Cauldron3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before Mageia I was using Pardus and in the last version there was a very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> handy tool introduced:   Quickformat
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it is possible to implement this handy tool into Mageia although it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is not longer maintained.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO those little tools help to break the edges and proof that is is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> created not only with brain, also with heart.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe You have to remove some specific pardus code but is should not be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> big deal for an expert.  :o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If this tool is no longer maintained, I think it needs someone who wants
+</I>&gt;<i> to be the maintainer of this software, and setup a code repository
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you know why the upstream developers did not continue maintaining it ?
+</I>So basically, you want someone else to take the duty of porting some 
+unmaintained code you're the only one interested in ? Why not volonteer 
+to do the work directly ?
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+-- 
+Program complexity grows until it exceeds the capabilities of the 
+programmer who must maintain it.
+	-- Murphy's Laws of Computer Programming n&#176;13
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> Features which have been listed in status &quot;Resource needed&quot; need to have
+</I>&gt;<i> people sign up as resources.
+</I>
+OK, that's good, but it totally wasn't clear.  Most (or all?) of the ones that have that status 
+didn't have the Resources section at all, so I thought that's all that meant.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> For the record, I may be able to do the DrakX code changes if I know which part of the code to 
+</I>look 
+&gt;&gt;<i> at.  It's possible someone else may be interested in helping too, but I wouldn't expect anyone 
+</I>else 
+&gt;&gt;<i> to commit to that just yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you should list yourself as doing the DrakX code changes.
+</I>
+Then nobody will help :o)
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 4 juli 2012 15:44:51 schreef nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A meeting is planned tonight on #mageia-dev at 19 UTC.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Topics for the meeting :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 Features review
+</I>&gt;<i> - Stable updates and regression testing policy (discussion with QA team)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update on ARM build system
+</I>&gt;<i> - Security bugs review (with Luigi)
+</I>
+would it be possible to have a weekly follow up on backport progress? just to 
+get progress and a responsible person for each small part that has to be done.
+
+i'd like to have responsible persons for the following things that need to be 
+done.
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+1. QA needs to make updated backport process (Stormi)
+2. mailing list for backport announce (???)
+3. add warning when activating backports in drakrpm-edit-media for mga1 and 
+mga2 as updates, this needs to have a checkbox that it doesn't warn anymore. 
+(???)
+4. we need to ensure the upgrade works even if it fails for the installed 
+backported packages. The user could be warned when this happens (???)
+5. bug 2317 MUST be fixed before backports are opened (???)
+6. we need to add support for automatic updates of installed backports either 
+in mgaapplet, or a new one. (???)
+7. sysadmin will likely need to open things up (???)
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+<PRE>D.Morgan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM, David Walser 
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I><A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192</A>
+&gt;&gt;<i> 9/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> available:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 42
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 20
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, either a sysadmin could delete everything that was built from the qt4 SRPM in 
+</I>updates_testing
+&gt;&gt;<i> or the subrel could be bumped, then qt4 could be rebuilt and it should be fine.  It'd be nice to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know why these packages disappeared though.  It's not the first time something like this has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> happened.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> no we need to find why it fails. i resubmited and twice with the same result.
+</I>
+When?  I don't remember seeing it on <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Features which have been listed in status &quot;Resource needed&quot; need to have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people sign up as resources.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, that's good, but it totally wasn't clear.  Most (or all?) of the ones
+</I>&gt;<i> that have that status didn't have the Resources section at all, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> thought that's all that meant.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For the record, I may be able to do the DrakX code changes if I know
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which part of the code to
+</I>&gt;<i> look
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; at.  It's possible someone else may be interested in helping too, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wouldn't expect anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> else
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to commit to that just yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then you should list yourself as doing the DrakX code changes.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then nobody will help :o)
+</I>
+i would hope not, i want to commit myself to some features, but i also need a 
+hand in DrakX code...
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+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 4 juli 2012 15:44:51 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A meeting is planned tonight on #mageia-dev at 19 UTC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Topics for the meeting :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 Features review
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Stable updates and regression testing policy (discussion with QA team)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Update on ARM build system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Security bugs review (with Luigi)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> would it be possible to have a weekly follow up on backport progress? just to
+</I>&gt;<i> get progress and a responsible person for each small part that has to be done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'd like to have responsible persons for the following things that need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. QA needs to make updated backport process (Stormi)
+</I>
+We did discuss this in our meeting last week and agreed several things, 
+the policy was not updated though as yet.
+
+We'll revisit it tomorrow as Stormi was not available last week and get 
+something written down.
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+    <B>Stefan Wilhelm</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i>If this tool is no longer maintained, I think it needs someone who wants
+</I>to be the maintainer of this software, and setup a code repository
+somewhere.
+Maintainer is a biiiig word. It is based on Python 2.7, the code is very
+small and lightweight so it should not be a big effort for an experianced
+programmer.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>Do you know why the upstream developers did not continue maintaining it ?
+</I>
+It seems that the initial developer was a Pardus Linux developer.
+Unfortunately the Pardus project is stopped and all developers left the
+department. This is imho the main reason.
+Unfortunately all Pardus technologies depends on other Pardus related
+technics like Comar and maybe murdur. If anybody will remove these code
+snippets then it should run anywhere. Im not a programmer but I had some
+look into the code base and for a professional it should be not be a hard
+thing to do.
+
+This little tool is really handy and imho it is too nice and helpful to let
+it die. It would fit into Mageia perfectly and should help to make mageia
+more userfriendly for beginners.
+
+btw.... thanks for Your kind reply
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+&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM, David Walser
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 9/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> available:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 42
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 20
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, either a sysadmin could delete everything that was built from the qt4 SRPM in
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or the subrel could be bumped, then qt4 could be rebuilt and it should be fine.  It'd be nice to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> know why these packages disappeared though.  It's not the first time something like this has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happened.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no we need to find why it fails. i resubmited and twice with the same result.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When?  I don't remember seeing it on <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'll push again Qt tonight (local time for me) however could you wait
+a little bit there's a patch fixing a bug in Qt affecting text layout.
+
+Regards,
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+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> &gt; 1. QA needs to make updated backport process (Stormi)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We did discuss this in our meeting last week and agreed several things,
+</I>&gt;<i> the policy was not updated though as yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We'll revisit it tomorrow as Stormi was not available last week and get
+</I>&gt;<i> something written down.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>So basically, you want someone else to take the duty of porting some
+</I>unmaintained code you're the only one interested in ? Why not volonteer
+to do the work directly ?
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+Hmmmm, I understand what You mean. My request seems to sound rude. Im
+not sure if Iam the only one who is interested in that tool. When I
+was beginning to work with Linux I was not sure how to format an
+external device. Of course now I know it but for beginners this tool
+would be very helpful and handy.
+
+Honestly I would love to do the rework by myself. Unfortunately my
+skills are ending after some little packaging.
+
+Please dont blame me: this is only a proposal, a feature request. It
+is a suggestion how Mageia3 could be another step forward. If nobody
+agrees with that or we cant find anybody who is willing to help then
+it is okay for me.
+For me it is importand that I tried it.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>So basically, you want someone else to take the duty of porting some
+</I>&gt;<i> unmaintained code you're the only one interested in ? Why not volonteer
+</I>&gt;<i> to do the work directly ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmmmm, I understand what You mean. My request seems to sound rude. Im not sure if Iam the only one who is interested in that tool. When I was beginning to work with Linux I was not sure how to format an external device. Of course now I know it but for beginners this tool would be very helpful and handy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Honestly I would love to do the rework by myself. Unfortunately my skills are ending after some little packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please dont blame me: this is only a proposal, a feature request. It is a suggestion how Mageia3 could be another step forward. If nobody agrees with that or we cant find anybody who is willing to help then it is okay for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me it is importand that I tried it.
+</I>My point was just than using the feature request submission process 
+seems useless here. You don't need anyone else to agree to import a 
+package into the distribution, you just need someone to do it. And if 
+you don't, it's unlikely to happen...
+
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+Some features that were proposed are missing some people to implement
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+So please review the features, and if you find one that you think is
+interesting, where you think you can help, add yourself to the resources
+on the page :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault</A>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet</A>
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels</A>
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+You can see full list on this page :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DistinguishStatusOfNIC">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DistinguishStatusOfNIC</A>
+</I>Spending time improving a mageia-only network configuration tool, 
+instead of focusing on shared tool such as networkmanager, seems a waste 
+of time for me. Especially given the systemd-only target for mageia3, as 
+drakx-net is mostly a sysinit network configuration files wizard.
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+    <B>Manuel Hiebel</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>Nobody ?
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
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+Would the correct thing to do be to change /var/kerberos/krb5kdc to /etc/kerberos/krb5kdc as proposed in this patch to kadmin.init?:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff">https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff</A>
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+I also noticed a line in kprop.init that says:
+    [ -f /var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl ] || exit 6
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+Should that be changed as well?
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+Also, in krb5 in Cauldron, I similarly noticed the following...
+kadmin.service:
+ConditionPathExists=!/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
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+kprop.service:
+ConditionPathExists=/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
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+Should those be changed as well?
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+Thinks of note in this release are some changes to the ntp mechanism
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+services starting after it might have timing issues right now) and some
+upstream rpm macros for use with service management in packages which we
+may be able to use instead of some of the rpm-helper stuff eventually.
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+Anyway, nothing seems hideously broken here so I'll push it tomorrow.
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+<PRE>David Walser wrote:
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+&gt;<i> An issue has been raised while QA testing an update for krb5 for Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 about 
+</I>apparently incorrect paths in init scripts:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Would the correct thing to do be to change /var/kerberos/krb5kdc to /etc/kerberos/krb5kdc as 
+</I>proposed in this patch to kadmin.init?:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff">https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I also noticed a line in kprop.init that says:
+</I>&gt;<i>     [ -f /var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl ] || exit 6
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Should that be changed as well?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, in krb5 in Cauldron, I similarly noticed the following...
+</I>&gt;<i> kadmin.service:
+</I>&gt;<i> ConditionPathExists=!/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> kprop.service:
+</I>&gt;<i> ConditionPathExists=/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Should those be changed as well?
+</I>
+Those changes seem correct as they match up with the config file.  I have submitted them.
+If they are wrong, please tell this bug:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+
+Now there's another problem.  krb5 will no longer build in Cauldron.  Other than the paths thing 
+mentioned above, nothing has changed, and it built fine just on June 27th.  I get this:
+RPM build errors:
+    File not found: /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto-k5ev.so
+    File not found: /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto.so
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+I don't see any errors anywhere else in the build log about verto:
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120705001632.luigiwalser.valsta">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120705001632.luigiwalser.valsta</A>
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+    <B>zezinho</B> 
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+<PRE>Em 04-07-2012 23:56, Manuel Hiebel escreveu:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Those changes seem correct as they match up with the config file.  I have submitted them.
+</I>&gt;<i> If they are wrong, please tell this bug:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now there's another problem.  krb5 will no longer build in Cauldron.  Other than the paths thing
+</I>&gt;<i> mentioned above, nothing has changed, and it built fine just on June 27th.  I get this:
+</I>&gt;<i> RPM build errors:
+</I>&gt;<i>      File not found: /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto-k5ev.so
+</I>&gt;<i>      File not found: /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto.so
+</I>Those libs have been added twice in the spec: 
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/krb5/current/SPECS/krb5.spec?annotate=264466#l461">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/krb5/current/SPECS/krb5.spec?annotate=264466#l461</A>
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+&gt;<i> --------
+</I>&gt;<i> mediawiki - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated.  Several
+</I>&gt;<i> security issues are present.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+</I>I'm on it, but they did change quite some things between 1.16.x and 
+1.17, will need some more days.
+
+&gt;<i> drupal - update built, issues found by QA need fixing
+</I>On it.
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+&gt;<i> Hmmmm, I understand what You mean. My request seems to sound rude. Im
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure if Iam the only one who is interested in that tool. When I
+</I>&gt;<i> was beginning to work with Linux I was not sure how to format an
+</I>&gt;<i> external device. Of course now I know it but for beginners this tool
+</I>&gt;<i> would be very helpful and handy.
+</I>
+&quot;Disks&quot; in GNOME 3 can format things. I think by default it just writes
+a new table (meaning: Quickformat). I saw a blogpost where a secure
+format is added.
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+IIRC if something is not formatted yet, GNOME should show a popup which
+allows you to format it.
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 05/07/2012 08:50, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 05.07.2012 03:25, David Walser kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Those changes seem correct as they match up with the config file.  I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have submitted them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If they are wrong, please tell this bug:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now there's another problem.  krb5 will no longer build in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Other than the paths thing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mentioned above, nothing has changed, and it built fine just on June
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 27th.  I get this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> RPM build errors:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      File not found:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto-k5ev.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      File not found:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto.so
+</I>&gt;<i> Those libs have been added twice in the spec:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/krb5/current/SPECS/krb5.spec?annotate=264466#l461">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/krb5/current/SPECS/krb5.spec?annotate=264466#l461</A>
+</I>Once for the actual library files, and once for the unversionned 
+symlinks, as usual.
+
+This is a chicken-and-egg issue with conditional build of included 
+libverto, depending of wether an existing one was found on the system. 
+As you can't build MIT kerberos without kerberos-devel package 
+installed, shipping this library, each release would have an opposite 
+result. I just fixed it in svn, by forcing the build unconditionnaly.
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+<PRE>On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 18:27:38 -0400, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> An issue has been raised while QA testing an update for krb5 for Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 about apparently incorrect paths in init scripts:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would the correct thing to do be to change /var/kerberos/krb5kdc to /etc/kerberos/krb5kdc as proposed in this patch to kadmin.init?:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff">https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also noticed a line in kprop.init that says:
+</I>&gt;<i>     [ -f /var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl ] || exit 6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should that be changed as well?
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+Ideally, only the config files should be in /etc, and the database
+should be in /var.  In order to get the security update out quickly,
+the scripts should be changed to /etc, to match the current config
+files.
+
+I think a new bug report should be opened, requesting changing
+the various scripts to use something like
+eval $(sed 's/ //g' /etc/kerberos/krb5kdc/kdc.conf|grep ^database_name)
+to get the location of the database (with similar code for the other
+files) and have new installs put the database in /var.
+
+&gt;<i> Also, in krb5 in Cauldron, I similarly noticed the following...
+</I>&gt;<i> kadmin.service:
+</I>&gt;<i> ConditionPathExists=!/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kprop.service:
+</I>&gt;<i> ConditionPathExists=/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should those be changed as well?
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+<PRE>On 28/06/2012 00:02, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the
+</I>&gt;<i> proposal[1] has been accepted
+</I>&lt;snip&gt;
+&gt;<i> and has to be merged with mine[3]
+</I>&gt;<i> and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> [3] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Documentation team is planning to write the currently missing help for 
+MCC and all the tools in it. We don't have a clue whether the above 
+feature proposals, if implemented, will make a difference to what we 
+have to do, and if so: what difference.
+
+Also, it is interesting to know whether you're willing to improve the 
+way the help will work if we do it the Mandriva way. It would be great 
+if the not working links would be fixed, and if it would be possible to 
+let the help from the menu bar link to the correct file for each screen, 
+instead of to a page with links you have to choose from. Please read on 
+to understand what I'm talking about.
+
+If nothing would change to MCC, we would have to provide *html* files 
+with same names as Mdv used, to be put in the same place and 
+s/mandriva/mageia/
+
+For Mandriva 2010.1 the following section in MCC, and usually for all 
+the tools in that section, the help (from the menu bar) links to a page 
+with links to other pages:
+
+* Software Management -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management.html
+
+(The same page can be seen here 
+<A HREF="http://doc.mandriva.com/en/2010/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management.html">http://doc.mandriva.com/en/2010/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management.html</A> 
+You can, of course, find the other pages mentioned below by adjusting 
+this link)
+
+Exception: Software Management - Configure media sources for install and 
+update -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management-sources.html
+
+* Hardware -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-hardware.html
+
+Exception: Manage your hardware - Browse and configure hardware -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/harddrake.html
+
+* Network -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-network.html
+
+* System -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-system.html
+
+Exception: Administration tools - Manage users on system -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/userdrake.html
+
+* Network Sharing -----X      &quot;No Help entry for&quot;
+However, the help is available in 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-networksharing.html
+
+Exception: Configure Windows(R) shares - Share drives and directories 
+with Windows (SMB) systems -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/index.html ---- however, this page can 
+give an error, and the *correct* help file seems to be 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/draksambashare.html
+
+* Local Disks -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-localdisks.html
+
+Note: Local Disks - Manage disk partitions clicking the help button at 
+the *bottom* of the screen gives 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/diskdrake.html
+
+* Security -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-security.html
+
+Exception: Security - Configure system security, permissions and audit: 
+The two items in the drop-down help menu are greyed out, clicking them 
+doesn't work
+
+* Boot -----&gt; 
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-boot.html
+
+Please, when you reply to this mail, keep in mind that I'm not a 
+developer and not even a packager.
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+Marja
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Should those be changed as well?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes.
+</I>The cauldron package has just been fixed to use /var/lib/krb5kdc as 
+state directory. Configuration files will be eventually managed through 
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+</I>&gt;<i> wordpress - needs updated to 3.4.1, also QA has found some bugs in the current package.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065</A>
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+I'm on it to really fix it this time.
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+&gt;<i> ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+</I>This package should be dropped: there is no maintainer, and we have 
+better alternatives in the distribution (fusioninventory).
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+You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think
+		-- Sad Truths of Life n&#176;1
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+    <B>Manuel Hiebel</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Em 04-07-2012 23:56, Manuel Hiebel escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I've just blindly submitted an updated draksnapshot requiring hal.
+</I>Many thanks zezinho.
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+topic, concerning experiences on Mageia.
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Sorry, think I've got them all now.
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+</I>&gt;<i> For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+</I>I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending 
+security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing 
+rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+
+I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion 
+about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone 
+unable to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much 
+point ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during 
+IRC meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people 
+expressing concerns about the boat heading...
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+So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in 
+charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what 
+kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to 
+push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as 
+well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it 
+directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for 
+everyone.
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+BOFH excuse #378:
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+Il 05/07/2012 10:59, Marja van Waes ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On 28/06/2012 00:02, Angelo Naselli wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi, I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposal[1] has been accepted
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;snip&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and has to be merged with mine[3] and discussed a bit to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> understand what we have to do and who can help.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [3] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Documentation team is planning to write the currently missing help
+</I>&gt;<i> for MCC and all the tools in it. We don't have a clue whether the
+</I>&gt;<i> above feature proposals, if implemented, will make a difference to
+</I>&gt;<i> what we have to do, and if so: what difference.
+</I>As far as link [3] is concerned the idea is to add qt4 and maybe kde4
+front-end to mcc also, so nothing should change either on
+functionality or on options/programs positions, just the availability to
+have a more kde friendly look.
+
+About link[1] the idea is not mine I'd leave Steven talking about it
+better. As far as I understood functionalities should not change and
+the hope is that either the mcc look for the most, but that depends
+imo on how the interface will be implemented and how we will able to add
+what we have now, since i believe we can't re-write all...
+
+Cheers,
+	Angelo
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 21:31:50 schreef Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Le 04/07/2012 01:21, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sorry, think I've got them all now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone
+</I>&gt;<i> unable to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much
+</I>&gt;<i> point ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during
+</I>&gt;<i> IRC meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people
+</I>&gt;<i> expressing concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+</I>&gt;<i> push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+</I>&gt;<i> well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+</I>&gt;<i> directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone.
+</I>
+this is a good point: &quot;BTW, a missing dependency should not be
+considered a blocking issue as it can be easily fixed by the end user.
+Especially for a security update, as he probably already done it.&quot;
+
+also, not sure, but it seems the tester was unawere of perl-CGI-Fast being not 
+really required (i think).
+
+still, IRC meeting yesterday seemed to conclude that security or major bug 
+updates cannot be majorly delayed by bugs, it is however ok, to ask packager 
+to do a quick fix for something at the same time.
+
+still, for this issue, it seems also that there was a month delay due to not 
+setting assigned back. or even setting NEEDINFO.
+
+also, i notice that noone seemed to have pointed out the tester that in fact 
+that dependency isn't required.
+
+i also see that some sentences look harsh to one of both sides here. (or at 
+least to me).
+
+i think we need to understand that:
+
+A. QA team has responsibility on validation of update
+ - thus they decide validated or not
+ - if they find a non-regression bug, they can ask packagers to fix at the same 
+time, but for major and security bugs, this should not be waited for, in such 
+a case, a separate bug can be made and this one validated.
+ - however, i can also understand that due to the amount of updates needed 
+validation, that such a wait, could be instead of 1 day, easily amount to a 
+few weeks, without this being intentional.
+ - so, i would ask that QA, try to get the packager on IRC (or email) and if 
+the packager isn't immediately available, to still continue to validate and 
+possibly make a new bug report on it. so that &quot;bugs&quot; or &quot;features&quot; can still 
+be discussed if need be.
+ -  give that packagers are responsible for their package (and likely know it 
+better than QA team), i would state that they are also responsible for 
+deciding need or no (immediate) need for extra change before validation.
+
+B. QA team tests and finds bugs, and the reality of their pov is that if they'd 
+put bugs they find in a separate BR, it often doesn't get fixed, and thus each 
+validation test for all newer security patches, they hit the same bug for 
+testing; which causes them frustration.
+
+C. However, some packages need quite some configuration to get it to run to 
+test, so packagers are allowed to add a small list of how to reproduce, or 
+even configure it to run. as this will likely make for faster testing, and also 
+less possibilities of misunderstanding a possible missing requirement.
+
+Personally, I think regarding this quite some things could've been done 
+better, but we can't have it all.
+
+i don't think there's a golden rule for this, and given our limited resources, 
+i guess we (both teams) will have to bear with this.
+
+
+PS: i'm just putting my nose in matter that don't concern me here, but i'm 
+just trying to understand both sides, i'm not trying to offend anyone, or to 
+belittle any of the issues involved.
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone
+</I>&gt;<i> unable to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much
+</I>&gt;<i> point ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during
+</I>&gt;<i> IRC meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people
+</I>&gt;<i> expressing concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+</I>&gt;<i> push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+</I>&gt;<i> well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+</I>&gt;<i> directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You seem to be frustrated by a false assumption. The assumption that 
+something has changed over the past year of performing QA on security 
+updates.
+
+It hasn't. We haven't begun doing anything differently and we haven't 
+started to ask for any more than we have done before, during all that time.
+
+The reason we now have a backlog, which seems to be the cause of the 
+frustration, is simply because we don't have enough volunteers. That is 
+not really a reason to begin taking shortcuts, or cut out common sense, 
+but it is something you can help with.
+
+Our QA workload doubled overnight when Mageia 2 was released. At the 
+time there were mainly only two of us to perform the task, as there had 
+been throughout the lifespan of Mageia 1 until that point. One tested 
+every update x86_64 and one tested every update i586.
+
+As I'm sure you realise, that is nowhere near enough people to perform 
+QA adequately on two live releases, especially just after release when 
+many packaging bugs are being fixed. This is on top of having to work 
+around bug 2317 which is only now beginning to receive attention.
+
+I fully sympathise with the need to concentrate on security updates and 
+the need to handle them efficiently. Nothing has changed in that regard. 
+We handle them now the same as we have been doing since last August and 
+it has never been a problem for anybody. Believe it or not, it is 
+actually appreciated by most..
+
+We have been trying to recruit new members and with some limited 
+success. Those new members will hardly be inspired though to volunteer 
+their time by this type of bullying. I myself would also like to think I 
+didn't have to purposely avoid certain packagers update requests because 
+of their aggressive behaviour. That situation would be of no benefit to 
+anybody.
+
+We always have and will continue to do our best to prioritise security 
+updates. Unfortunately that has to happen at the expense of bugfix 
+updates so there are a number of those waiting for our attention. David 
+has also been pushing for maintainers to get various security bugs fixed 
+so there has been a bit of an influx for QA to deal with.
+
+This whole issue is being blown wildly out of proportion and it is 
+really demoralising for those of us who already spend far too many hours 
+a day actually doing the job.
+
+If you really want to speed things up then please spend some time 
+helping to shorten the list and lighten the load. We did request help 
+two weeks ago in the packagers meeting.
+
+You can find the validation procedure here: <A HREF="http://bit.ly/Ne2lPP">http://bit.ly/Ne2lPP</A>
+
+and the list of bugs awaiting QA here: <A HREF="http://bit.ly/LZMNhr">http://bit.ly/LZMNhr</A>
+
+Throughout the life of Mageia 1 the QA list was usually between 20 and 
+40 bugs long, it is now between 40 and 50 bugs long and is hovering 
+around that point.
+
+These recent attacks are causing even more work for us, which again 
+helps nobody, and diverts our attention away from where it is really 
+needed. Also I would point out that having to validate the same package 
+several times obviously lessens the amount of time we can spend 
+elsewhere, which compounds the problem.
+
+If the current situation is indeed such an intolerable issue then 
+perhaps we should think seriously if we currently have the resources to 
+maintain two active releases or rethink our ability to open backports, 
+instead of bullying those who are already stretched too thinly.
+
+Regards
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> Le 04/07/2012 01:21, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, think I've got them all now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending 
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing 
+</I>&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion 
+</I>&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone unable 
+</I>&gt;<i> to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much point 
+</I>&gt;<i> ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during IRC 
+</I>&gt;<i> meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people expressing 
+</I>&gt;<i> concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in 
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what kind 
+</I>&gt;<i> of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to push a 
+</I>&gt;<i> non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as well ask for 
+</I>&gt;<i> SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it directly. This would 
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for everyone.
+</I>
+About prioritization, I think we should remember that :
+- we want security updates quickly, to reduce the time users will have
+  vulnerable systems
+- we don't want regressions in updates, that's why we need QA team to test
+  the updates, and why we avoid major changes in updates
+- all people working on Mageia are volunteers, have limited time and
+  probably other external constraints. We can ask them to make an effort
+  when there is an urgency, but this should not be abused.
+
+So I think it would make sense to have a policy that say that when a
+bug that is not a regression is found while testing an update, it can
+be mentioned for information, but it should not block the validation of
+the update. Packager can fix it while fixing the other issue, if he has
+time, but he doesn't fix it if he is too busy or think it introduce too
+much changes for an update. In that case the issue can be fixed later
+when the packager has some free time, with no hurry.
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+<PRE>On 05/07/12 22:51, nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 04/07/2012 01:21, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, think I've got them all now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone unable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much point
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during IRC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people expressing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what kind
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to push a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as well ask for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it directly. This would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for everyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About prioritization, I think we should remember that :
+</I>&gt;<i> - we want security updates quickly, to reduce the time users will have
+</I>&gt;<i>    vulnerable systems
+</I>&gt;<i> - we don't want regressions in updates, that's why we need QA team to test
+</I>&gt;<i>    the updates, and why we avoid major changes in updates
+</I>&gt;<i> - all people working on Mageia are volunteers, have limited time and
+</I>&gt;<i>    probably other external constraints. We can ask them to make an effort
+</I>&gt;<i>    when there is an urgency, but this should not be abused.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think it would make sense to have a policy that say that when a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug that is not a regression is found while testing an update, it can
+</I>&gt;<i> be mentioned for information, but it should not block the validation of
+</I>&gt;<i> the update. Packager can fix it while fixing the other issue, if he has
+</I>&gt;<i> time, but he doesn't fix it if he is too busy or think it introduce too
+</I>&gt;<i> much changes for an update. In that case the issue can be fixed later
+</I>&gt;<i> when the packager has some free time, with no hurry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+The trouble with this is, when the packager finds some free time it then 
+creates yet another update request for QA to validate and compounds the 
+problem. We simply have to apply common sense. If something is easily 
+fixed, fix it. If it isn't then ask for a separate bug report. There is 
+no black and white policy for this, either extreme is wrong.
+
+I would hope that any packager sending an update for validation would be 
+willing to follow that up and not just abandon it and move on, becoming 
+annoyed when problems are found.
+
+You wouldn't expect QA to do that on our bug reports, you would rightly 
+expect us to follow them up and provide any extra information and 
+testing as required. Even knowing how busy we are.
+
+I am sure bug reports from our general userbase are not so keenly 
+monitored or completely reported as the ones we create.
+
+This was all discussed yesterday. There is no real problem to resolve, 
+other than finding more people to volunteer their time. This hostility 
+towards QA is rather detrimental to that particular cause though.
+
+The methods we use are tried and tested, and have remained unchanged 
+since the first updates began to arrive for Mageia 1. There is no reason 
+to change them now and certainly no reason to begin taking shortcuts.
+
+QA is not there to 'rubber stamp' updates, we are there to perform QA. 
+To view things from a users perspective and try to find the bugs before 
+they reach them. We have to apply common sense in our work and only ask 
+that packagers do the same thing.
+
+None of us want to see buggy updates being released or unnecessary 
+delays I'm sure.
+
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> These recent attacks are causing even more work for us, which again helps 
+</I>&gt;<i> nobody, and diverts our attention away from where it is really needed. Also 
+</I>&gt;<i> I would point out that having to validate the same package several times 
+</I>&gt;<i> obviously lessens the amount of time we can spend elsewhere, which 
+</I>&gt;<i> compounds the problem.
+</I>
+A disagreement is not an attack.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the current situation is indeed such an intolerable issue then perhaps 
+</I>&gt;<i> we should think seriously if we currently have the resources to maintain 
+</I>&gt;<i> two active releases or rethink our ability to open backports, instead of 
+</I>&gt;<i> bullying those who are already stretched too thinly.
+</I>
+If there is too much workload, a solution is to provide only limited
+support and stop trying to fix all bugs with stable updates: only
+important security issue and critical bugs are fixed with an update, all
+other bugs are fixed in Cauldron only. This is what is done in most
+other distributions.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012, Claire Robinson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These recent attacks are causing even more work for us, which again helps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nobody, and diverts our attention away from where it is really needed. Also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would point out that having to validate the same package several times
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obviously lessens the amount of time we can spend elsewhere, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compounds the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A disagreement is not an attack.
+</I>
+
+With respect Nicolas, you're not on the receiving end.
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If the current situation is indeed such an intolerable issue then perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we should think seriously if we currently have the resources to maintain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> two active releases or rethink our ability to open backports, instead of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bullying those who are already stretched too thinly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is too much workload, a solution is to provide only limited
+</I>&gt;<i> support and stop trying to fix all bugs with stable updates: only
+</I>&gt;<i> important security issue and critical bugs are fixed with an update, all
+</I>&gt;<i> other bugs are fixed in Cauldron only. This is what is done in most
+</I>&gt;<i> other distributions.
+</I>
+
+This is mainly what is happening now. Don't forget mga1 has had a long 
+time to receive its bug fixes, they are few and far between now. Most 
+security updates on the other hand are for both mga1 and mga2 so take at 
+least twice as long to test.
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+&gt;<i> Le 04/07/2012 00:37, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This package should be dropped: there is no maintainer, and we have 
+</I>&gt;<i> better alternatives in the distribution (fusioninventory).
+</I>
+We should still issue the update for 1, but I agree with you here.  I'm not clear on the exact 
+procedure for dropping a package.  I've seen other packages requested to be dropped, with no 
+objections, that still haven't been AFAIK (such as wicd).
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+<PRE>AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 21:31:50 schreef Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unable to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> point ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IRC meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expressing concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everyone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> this is a good point: &quot;BTW, a missing dependency should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> considered a blocking issue as it can be easily fixed by the end user.
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially for a security update, as he probably already done it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Although if it can be easily added, why not do it ?  Even if only a 
+suggest ?
+&gt;<i> also, not sure, but it seems the tester was unawere of perl-CGI-Fast being not
+</I>&gt;<i> really required (i think).
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+According to the comments in the bug, an optional package was required 
+by the default config file, even if the package was not installed.  That 
+is a real bug.
+Adding a suggest is a temporary, and not permanent fix, as suggests 
+don't have to be installed.  Although the permanent fix could be done later.
+
+This brings up another improvement that is needed in the install 
+routines.  Suggests should be treated as suggests, with confirmation 
+from the user on install.  As such, QA could more readily test and find 
+such bugs.
+
+&gt;<i> still, IRC meeting yesterday seemed to conclude that security or major bug
+</I>&gt;<i> updates cannot be majorly delayed by bugs, it is however ok, to ask packager
+</I>&gt;<i> to do a quick fix for something at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> still, for this issue, it seems also that there was a month delay due to not
+</I>&gt;<i> setting assigned back. or even setting NEEDINFO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also, i notice that noone seemed to have pointed out the tester that in fact
+</I>&gt;<i> that dependency isn't required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i also see that some sentences look harsh to one of both sides here. (or at
+</I>&gt;<i> least to me).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i think we need to understand that:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A. QA team has responsibility on validation of update
+</I>&gt;<i>   - thus they decide validated or not
+</I>&gt;<i>   - if they find a non-regression bug, they can ask packagers to fix at the same
+</I>&gt;<i> time, but for major and security bugs, this should not be waited for, in such
+</I>&gt;<i> a case, a separate bug can be made and this one validated.
+</I>&gt;<i>   - however, i can also understand that due to the amount of updates needed
+</I>&gt;<i> validation, that such a wait, could be instead of 1 day, easily amount to a
+</I>&gt;<i> few weeks, without this being intentional.
+</I>&gt;<i>   - so, i would ask that QA, try to get the packager on IRC (or email) and if
+</I>&gt;<i> the packager isn't immediately available, to still continue to validate and
+</I>&gt;<i> possibly make a new bug report on it. so that &quot;bugs&quot; or &quot;features&quot; can still
+</I>&gt;<i> be discussed if need be.
+</I>&gt;<i>   -  give that packagers are responsible for their package (and likely know it
+</I>&gt;<i> better than QA team), i would state that they are also responsible for
+</I>&gt;<i> deciding need or no (immediate) need for extra change before validation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. QA team tests and finds bugs, and the reality of their pov is that if they'd
+</I>&gt;<i> put bugs they find in a separate BR, it often doesn't get fixed, and thus each
+</I>&gt;<i> validation test for all newer security patches, they hit the same bug for
+</I>&gt;<i> testing; which causes them frustration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C. However, some packages need quite some configuration to get it to run to
+</I>&gt;<i> test, so packagers are allowed to add a small list of how to reproduce, or
+</I>&gt;<i> even configure it to run. as this will likely make for faster testing, and also
+</I>&gt;<i> less possibilities of misunderstanding a possible missing requirement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, I think regarding this quite some things could've been done
+</I>&gt;<i> better, but we can't have it all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't think there's a golden rule for this, and given our limited resources,
+</I>&gt;<i> i guess we (both teams) will have to bear with this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS: i'm just putting my nose in matter that don't concern me here, but i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> just trying to understand both sides, i'm not trying to offend anyone, or to
+</I>&gt;<i> belittle any of the issues involved.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>+1
+
+Sometimes when things get frustrating, a few kind words from both sides 
+can help a lot.
+And maybe step back and smile a little.
+But it certainly can be difficult.
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in 
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what 
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to 
+</I>&gt;<i> push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as 
+</I>&gt;<i> well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it 
+</I>&gt;<i> directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for 
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone.
+</I>
+Nobody is in charge, which is part of the problem.  I think a lot of us packagers come from Mandriva 
+where we were used to Oden being in charge of updates for stable distros, and therefore not having 
+to worry about it.  We are a community distro, we have no paid security manager.  It is all of our 
+responsibility to do security updates for stable distros.
+
+As far as what kind of help is expected, it varies per bug really.  Some of them have maintainers 
+that might want to give input.  Some I would like to know from someone else more experienced or who 
+has more at stake in a package how to handle an update when there are choices.  Sometimes other 
+distros have pushed an updated (bugfix-only) version, or patched other bugs as well, rather than 
+just patched the security bug.  Based on my descriptions in my e-mail and comments in the bugs, you 
+can see some of those that I'd just like some advice.  Others are more complicated or packages that 
+I don't know anything about.  Bottom line is, the ones I've asked about, there's some reason I 
+haven't just done it myself.  Any help you can offer is appreciated.  If you want clarification on 
+any particular one what I need, please just ask me.
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+&gt;<i> this is a good point: &quot;BTW, a missing dependency should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> considered a blocking issue as it can be easily fixed by the end user.
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially for a security update, as he probably already done it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> also, not sure, but it seems the tester was unawere of perl-CGI-Fast being not 
+</I>&gt;<i> really required (i think).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> still, IRC meeting yesterday seemed to conclude that security or major bug 
+</I>&gt;<i> updates cannot be majorly delayed by bugs, it is however ok, to ask packager 
+</I>&gt;<i> to do a quick fix for something at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> still, for this issue, it seems also that there was a month delay due to not 
+</I>&gt;<i> setting assigned back. or even setting NEEDINFO.
+</I>
+Incorrect.  There was a month delay because the packager who first submitted it to QA failed to 
+provide an update for Mageia 2.  That person also failed to make any comment whatsoever, while 
+being aware that questions had been raised.
+
+Let me be clear, I know we're all busy, and I don't expect things to be fixed right away all the 
+time.  However, we need to communicate.  Even if you don't have time to fix something, if you know 
+there are issues, and you have some input to give on it, give it.  I really don't appreciate being 
+ignored for a month, and then when someone else tries to help, all of sudden you (not you Maarten) 
+finally speak up and complain about what has been done.
+
+&gt;<i> also, i notice that noone seemed to have pointed out the tester that in fact 
+</I>&gt;<i> that dependency isn't required.
+</I>
+But it is used by the default configuration, so a suggests is appropriate.  Our packages should be 
+functional out of the box.
+
+&gt;<i> i also see that some sentences look harsh to one of both sides here. (or at 
+</I>&gt;<i> least to me).
+</I>
+Yes, that is true.  Both sides could tone it down, and it is really not appropriate to have that 
+kind of argument in public on Bugzilla (IMO).
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Documentation team is planning to write the currently missing help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for MCC and all the tools in it. We don't have a clue whether the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> above feature proposals, if implemented, will make a difference to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what we have to do, and if so: what difference.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About link[1] the idea is not mine I'd leave Steven talking about it
+</I>&gt;<i> better. As far as I understood functionalities should not change and
+</I>&gt;<i> the hope is that either the mcc look for the most, but that depends
+</I>&gt;<i> imo on how the interface will be implemented and how we will able to add
+</I>&gt;<i> what we have now, since i believe we can't re-write all...
+</I>
+I am very glad people are getting behind the idea, and it might seem a 
+bit odd coming from me, but I think we should slow down and put this in 
+to perspective.
+
+MCC2 is in such early stages I don't really think it should at this 
+stage effect other work or planning just yet.
+As much as I want it to work, there is always a very real risk of 
+project failure, and it's way too early to be placing bets.
+At the moment I have a C++ program and a perl program that do little 
+more than hello world (though they work great across gui and ncurses! ).
+
+As far as a time line, these factors come into consideration for me....
+
+1/ I didn't actually plan for it to be ready (in a complete/stable form) 
+for Mageia 3, but wanted to get started on it and hopefully have it 
+available as an option for Mga3.
+2/ Until I get into more complicated code, I don't know what the 
+limitations of the library are, I have already been on the opensuse IRC 
+channel and spoke to the person who originally developed libYui, and he 
+(could be she, don't know), confirmed some issues already, so this may 
+effect the look and feel, or time required.
+3/ The period when I can really devote time to coding is between 
+November and March, until then progress will be slow
+
+
+So basically to answer the question, I don't think the proposal should 
+have any effect on what you do.
+While I would like to say it will work exactly the same way just using a 
+different ui library, I can't as I don't know what I am going to encounter.
+
+I think MCC2 should just be seen as an experiment until there is enough 
+done that it actually looks like a usable tool. Even the planning is 
+just a fuzzy idea, no concrete plans yet.
+
+I am sorry I haven't been clearer about this in the last week, but I 
+have been quite ill with fevers etc for the last 5 days, hence only 
+having barely more than hello world programs.
+
+Hope that helps ?
+
+Tuxta
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+&gt;<i> AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this is a good point: &quot;BTW, a missing dependency should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; considered a blocking issue as it can be easily fixed by the end user.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Especially for a security update, as he probably already done it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also, not sure, but it seems the tester was unawere of perl-CGI-Fast being
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not really required (i think).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still, IRC meeting yesterday seemed to conclude that security or major bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates cannot be majorly delayed by bugs, it is however ok, to ask
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packager to do a quick fix for something at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still, for this issue, it seems also that there was a month delay due to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not setting assigned back. or even setting NEEDINFO.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Incorrect.  There was a month delay because the packager who first submitted
+</I>&gt;<i> it to QA failed to provide an update for Mageia 2.  That person also failed
+</I>&gt;<i> to make any comment whatsoever, while being aware that questions had been
+</I>&gt;<i> raised.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me be clear, I know we're all busy, and I don't expect things to be
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed right away all the time.  However, we need to communicate.  Even if
+</I>&gt;<i> you don't have time to fix something, if you know there are issues, and you
+</I>&gt;<i> have some input to give on it, give it.  I really don't appreciate being
+</I>&gt;<i> ignored for a month, and then when someone else tries to help, all of
+</I>&gt;<i> sudden you (not you Maarten) finally speak up and complain about what has
+</I>&gt;<i> been done.
+</I>
+i do understand, however, as i said, even though QA might be ignored, i think 
+QA still would have to validate it, when QA reads this and sees no response, 
+imho :-( .
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; also, i notice that noone seemed to have pointed out the tester that in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fact that dependency isn't required.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But it is used by the default configuration, so a suggests is appropriate. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Our packages should be functional out of the box.
+</I>
+iiuc, the qa team member says it's required, and not suggested, and noone from 
+packaging team thought about mentioning that it should be a suggests. (of 
+course, i didn't know this, but suspected it)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; i also see that some sentences look harsh to one of both sides here. (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; least to me).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that is true.  Both sides could tone it down, and it is really not
+</I>&gt;<i> appropriate to have that kind of argument in public on Bugzilla (IMO).
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+&gt;<i> On 05/07/12 23:34, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 05 Jul 2012, Claire Robinson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; These recent attacks are causing even more work for us, which again helps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; nobody, and diverts our attention away from where it is really needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I would point out that having to validate the same package several times
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; obviously lessens the amount of time we can spend elsewhere, which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; compounds the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A disagreement is not an attack.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> With respect Nicolas, you're not on the receiving end.
+</I>[...]
+
+allthough i see badly worded(possibly to look offensive) sentences, i don't 
+think this is intentional, and more a problem of communication than something 
+else. I often have the feeling that certain sentences from french people come 
+accross as rude to me. I've come to understand that this is not the intention, 
+but somehow related to how french sentences are built and how it's been 
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 23:52:39 schreef Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With respect Nicolas, you're not on the receiving end.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> allthough i see badly worded(possibly to look offensive) sentences, i don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think this is intentional, and more a problem of communication than something
+</I>&gt;<i> else. I often have the feeling that certain sentences from french people come
+</I>&gt;<i> accross as rude to me. I've come to understand that this is not the intention,
+</I>&gt;<i> but somehow related to how french sentences are built and how it's been
+</I>&gt;<i> translated to english.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The same thing was pointed out to me by a native speaker (as MrsB is), 
+when I wrote an answer that somehow was rather rude to the receiver.
+We have to keep in mind, that most of us are non native speakers and 
+that all of us have slightly different cultures.
+So - although it may be hard - it would be good for the native speakers 
+among us, not to put every word through a rudeness detector. I know the 
+Brits are far more courteous then the Germans (and perhaps the French as 
+well?), so let's go back to fixing bugs and not feeling hurt by people 
+who might not even be rude from their point of view...
+
+Oliver
+
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+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+Hi,
+&gt;<i> I think MCC2 should just be seen as an experiment until there is
+</I>&gt;<i> enough done that it actually looks like a usable tool. Even the
+</I>&gt;<i> planning is just a fuzzy idea, no concrete plans yet.
+</I>I think this should be considered as valid. I'm in favor to have
+a branch that could be delivered as an alternative to mcc in mga3
+if we reach the goal to have a stable and not complete moving. So
+not a replacement but a way to the future.
+
+In the mean while i'm looking for the alternative proposal as well
+that could be helpful in any case.
+
+About coding, Steven if you have in mind what you want as ui, we can
+ask for the svn branch and start sharing the task. I cannot say i have
+24h a day free, more likely some a week (at night for the most) but
+what i want to say is you're not alone and the project is big.
+
+About libYui, i got in touch with the main developer, and told me
+there is a IRC channel #libyui and git project on github is very
+active at the moment, they are very happy to get feedback and
+patches from other distros, (they also moved to cmake) but the next
+milestone is after yast will be fully adapted to libyui. So we could
+consider to have git version of libyui to have all up to date and
+fixed.
+
+WDYT?
+	Angelo
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+<PRE>On 06/07/12 07:56, Oliver Burger wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 06.07.2012 08:18, schrieb AL13N:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 23:52:39 schreef Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> With respect Nicolas, you're not on the receiving end.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> allthough i see badly worded(possibly to look offensive) sentences, i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think this is intentional, and more a problem of communication than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> else. I often have the feeling that certain sentences from french
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people come
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> accross as rude to me. I've come to understand that this is not the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> intention,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but somehow related to how french sentences are built and how it's been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> translated to english.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same thing was pointed out to me by a native speaker (as MrsB is),
+</I>&gt;<i> when I wrote an answer that somehow was rather rude to the receiver.
+</I>&gt;<i> We have to keep in mind, that most of us are non native speakers and
+</I>&gt;<i> that all of us have slightly different cultures.
+</I>&gt;<i> So - although it may be hard - it would be good for the native speakers
+</I>&gt;<i> among us, not to put every word through a rudeness detector. I know the
+</I>&gt;<i> Brits are far more courteous then the Germans (and perhaps the French as
+</I>&gt;<i> well?), so let's go back to fixing bugs and not feeling hurt by people
+</I>&gt;<i> who might not even be rude from their point of view...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+This has nothing to do with being rude.
+
+As I said previously, this is being blown wildly out of proportion. In 
+reality it centres around one packager and two bugs. In both these bugs 
+the packager expected QA to validate updates where one was an xinetd 
+service which expressly stated it was disabled by default but in actual 
+fact was enabled and in the other a mailing list with a web interface 
+which simply couldn't work in it's default configuration.
+
+What it being thrown at us is that we are unreasonably expecting every 
+single little bug to be fixed without any common and need to make 
+drastic changes to our policies.
+
+We attended the packager meeting on Wednesday to respond to this and 
+discuss it. At the meeting it was agreed that we had not changed the way 
+we have been doing things since day one and that the right way forward 
+was to continue doing what we were doing, with both packagers and QA 
+using common sense.
+
+The following day the same far fetched accusations are thrown at us 
+again, now escalated to the ML, suggesting we caused a months delay and 
+suggesting a solution to the accusation being we begin to 'rubber stamp' 
+security updates regardless of if they actually work or not or an 
+internet facing service which says it's disabled is actually not so.
+
+In both cases there were simple ways to fix them. In one it was just to 
+alter the description (2 minutes) so it didn't say it was disabled and 
+in the other it was either to add a suggest or alter the default 
+configuration so it didn't require the missing suggest (2 minutes).
+
+We have to use common sense in QA and only ask that, to avoid all this 
+unpleasantness in the future, common sense is used by the packager also. 
+All this is a reaction to 4 minutes of additional work. That is not 
+common sense to me.
+
+If we're expected to validate updates in the state these two bugs 
+reached us then we may as well not be here at all.
+
+Claire
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+Suggests: preload
+Suggests: readahead
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+IMO if something like that is needed, it should not belong in
+task-gnome-minimal, but something lowlevel like e.g. systemd.
+
+Even though these are just suggests, I still want to get rid of it.
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+Any objections?
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+&gt;<i> task-gnome-minimal has the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: preload
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: readahead
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO if something like that is needed, it should not belong in
+</I>&gt;<i> task-gnome-minimal, but something lowlevel like e.g. systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even though these are just suggests, I still want to get rid of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any objections?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nop..
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 06/07/12 10:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> task-gnome-minimal has the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: preload
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: readahead
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO if something like that is needed, it should not belong in
+</I>&gt;<i> task-gnome-minimal, but something lowlevel like e.g. systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Even though these are just suggests, I still want to get rid of it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Any objections?
+</I>
+Strangely enough I was thinking about the separate preload and readahead
+packages recently.
+
+I suspect the systemd-readahead stuff is where we want to consolidate. I
+was actually thinking of just dropping those other packages completely,
+but I've not fully read up on it yet.
+
+Col
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 06/07/12 07:56, Oliver Burger wrote:
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+&gt;<i> This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>
+IIUC, a small bit of it is related in 2 instances (from my pov):
+ - QA team being ignored in their question
+ - packager being doubted by QA team
+
+(in some or other forms, both of these can be seen as rude)
+
+for one more perceived rudeness, look below.
+
+&gt;<i> As I said previously, this is being blown wildly out of proportion.
+</I>
+very true
+
+&gt;<i> In
+</I>&gt;<i> reality it centres around one packager and two bugs. In both these bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> the packager expected QA to validate updates where one was an xinetd
+</I>&gt;<i> service which expressly stated it was disabled by default but in actual
+</I>&gt;<i> fact was enabled and in the other a mailing list with a web interface
+</I>&gt;<i> which simply couldn't work in it's default configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What it being thrown at us is that we are unreasonably expecting every
+</I>&gt;<i> single little bug to be fixed without any common and need to make
+</I>&gt;<i> drastic changes to our policies.
+</I>
+i did mention it would best for packagers (and i think it's in policy)
+that they would give reproducer tests for validation (perhaps it should be
+extended to getting the package working as well)
+
+&gt;<i> We attended the packager meeting on Wednesday to respond to this and
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss it. At the meeting it was agreed that we had not changed the way
+</I>&gt;<i> we have been doing things since day one and that the right way forward
+</I>&gt;<i> was to continue doing what we were doing, with both packagers and QA
+</I>&gt;<i> using common sense.
+</I>
+IIUC, not 100% the same, security updates should get pushed without delay
+even if there's an additional problem (unless regressions). The idea
+behind this, is that security updates are important for people who are
+already running it. and since they are running it, they aren't likely to
+have the problems that QA had.
+
+I have no trouble having contacting packager and ask for fix, but
+ultimately, for if for whatever reason the packager isn't there, i still
+think it should be pushed.
+
+&gt;<i> The following day the same far fetched accusations are thrown at us
+</I>&gt;<i> again, now escalated to the ML, suggesting we caused a months delay and
+</I>&gt;<i> suggesting a solution to the accusation being we begin to 'rubber stamp'
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates regardless of if they actually work or not or an
+</I>&gt;<i> internet facing service which says it's disabled is actually not so.
+</I>
+This is also perceived rudeness:
+- The packager's pov is that QA should have pushed it anyway.
+- personally, i'm not certain that this is the intention of the person who
+wrote it.
+
+The problem in this exact case, is that in fact, IMHO, the suggested
+modification, wasn't needed; allthough it might be better, it's ultimately
+not needed, because having a mailinglist, you need to configure alot of
+things anyway. and perhaps it's not even required to use CGI::Fast
+(depending on configuration). arguably it's perhaps better to have this as
+suggest.
+
+The packager's pov is that QA team was stating a undiscussable MUST that
+this dependency should be required (not suggested; which is better), while
+in effect, afterwards, it appears that this dependency is a separate and
+not even a major bug (easy workaround).
+
+But, QA team doesn't know alot about this. so i'm not speaking about
+faults here.
+Also packaging team must realize that QA team doesn't know alot about
+this. They are just doing what they think is right.
+
+but if packaging team says that this isn't really a major requirement for
+this security bug, then again, QA team should understand this too.
+
+
+&gt;<i> In both cases there were simple ways to fix them. In one it was just to
+</I>&gt;<i> alter the description (2 minutes) so it didn't say it was disabled and
+</I>&gt;<i> in the other it was either to add a suggest or alter the default
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration so it didn't require the missing suggest (2 minutes).
+</I>
+That is also true.
+
+&gt;<i> We have to use common sense in QA and only ask that, to avoid all this
+</I>&gt;<i> unpleasantness in the future, common sense is used by the packager also.
+</I>&gt;<i> All this is a reaction to 4 minutes of additional work. That is not
+</I>&gt;<i> common sense to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we're expected to validate updates in the state these two bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> reached us then we may as well not be here at all.
+</I>
+no offense meant, but in retrospect, it appears those new bugs in those 2
+bug reports (to me) aren't that major at all.
+
+but I agree that it isn't easy to test, and thus packager should be
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+Reporter = Assignee ones.
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+Enhancement requests and minor bugs won't be pinged either, nor will 
+bugs that have the TRACKER or UPSTREAM keyword.
+
+If you're the assignee and you don't have a clue whether the bug was 
+assigned correctly or not, please put NEEDHELP on the whiteboard.
+
+If you know it was *not* assigned correctly, please reassign to either 
+the correct person or to Bug Squad, and explain.
+
+Set status to ASSIGNED or put OK on the whiteboard if you don't want to 
+be pinged in the same bug for the same thing again.
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+Cheers,
+marja
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+    <B>Guillaume Rousse</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/07/12 07:56, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIUC, a small bit of it is related in 2 instances (from my pov):
+</I>&gt;<i>   - QA team being ignored in their question
+</I>&gt;<i>   - packager being doubted by QA team
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (in some or other forms, both of these can be seen as rude)
+</I>No, what is really rude for me is Claire's agressive reaction here, two 
+times in a row.
+
+I don't ask for flowers and congratulations everytime I interact with 
+anyone else asking for help, I'd just like avoid feeling assaulted for 
+&quot;giving QA team too much work&quot; while volonteering to contribute fixing a 
+stalled issue. Especially on a public media such as bugzilla.
+
+Now, as I've been advised to use common sense, I'll just shut up, 
+instead of adding more fuel to the fire, and I'll try to select more 
+wisely my personal involvement in the future.
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #229:
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+wrong polarity of neutron flow
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+&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
+</I>
+Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+<PRE>On 06/07/12 12:57, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 06/07/2012 13:19, AL13N a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/07/12 07:56, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IIUC, a small bit of it is related in 2 instances (from my pov):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - QA team being ignored in their question
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - packager being doubted by QA team
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (in some or other forms, both of these can be seen as rude)
+</I>&gt;<i> No, what is really rude for me is Claire's agressive reaction here, two
+</I>&gt;<i> times in a row.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't ask for flowers and congratulations everytime I interact with
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone else asking for help, I'd just like avoid feeling assaulted for
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;giving QA team too much work&quot; while volonteering to contribute fixing a
+</I>&gt;<i> stalled issue. Especially on a public media such as bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, as I've been advised to use common sense, I'll just shut up,
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of adding more fuel to the fire, and I'll try to select more
+</I>&gt;<i> wisely my personal involvement in the future.
+</I>
+The stalled issue was actually a packaging issue Guillaume. We don't 
+expect to be held responsible for those in QA or have to send flowers 
+when they are resolved. Perhaps that is where this misunderstanding 
+stems from.
+
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native
+</I>&gt;<i> whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get
+</I>&gt;<i> notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those?
+</I>
+Yes, that would be a lot better.
+
+I understood that feature was disabled to solve bug 1932
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932</A>
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 13:59, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that would be a lot better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understood that feature was disabled to solve bug 1932
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932</A>
+</I>
+Ok, but there a daily reminder is nonsense.
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+A monthly (or every 2 months) reminder of bugs fitting in your above
+query would sound sane, if it's sent only to the assignee. If not,
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+    <B>Marja van Waes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 13:59, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;   wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, that would be a lot better.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I understood that feature was disabled to solve bug 1932
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, but there a daily reminder is nonsense.
+</I>
+
+Maybe it works better in upgraded Bugzilla :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A monthly (or every 2 months) reminder of bugs fitting in your above
+</I>&gt;<i> query would sound sane, if it's sent only to the assignee. If not,
+</I>&gt;<i> then the whole mass ping itself should not be done either.
+</I>
+Waiting one month to find out whether a bug was assigned correctly is 
+too long, in my opinion, unless the assignee is busy gathering enough 
+information to be able to tell.
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+I think we should ping bug reports for which we haven't got a 
+confirmation that the assignment was correct after two weeks, except 
+when the assignee shows activity in the report.
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+If the assignee thinks the bug was assigned correctly, he can put OK on 
+the whiteboard or set status to ASSIGNED, and he won't show up in this 
+search again, so he won't be pinged for this reason again.
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, everyone in the cc of the bugs will receive the ping, too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only bugs that'll be pinged are that
+</I>&gt;<i> * were assigned more than 2 weeks ago
+</I>&gt;<i> * where the assignee didn't do anything to the bug since more than two weeks
+</I>&gt;<i> ago
+</I>&gt;<i> * where the assignee didn't confirm the bug was assigned correctly by either
+</I>&gt;<i> setting status to ASSIGNED or by putting OK on the whiteboard and.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bugs that are assigned to QA or Bug Squad won't be pinged, nor will Reporter
+</I>&gt;<i> = Assignee ones.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Enhancement requests and minor bugs won't be pinged either, nor will bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> that have the TRACKER or UPSTREAM keyword.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you're the assignee and you don't have a clue whether the bug was
+</I>&gt;<i> assigned correctly or not, please put NEEDHELP on the whiteboard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you know it was *not* assigned correctly, please reassign to either the
+</I>&gt;<i> correct person or to Bug Squad, and explain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Set status to ASSIGNED or put OK on the whiteboard if you don't want to be
+</I>&gt;<i> pinged in the same bug for the same thing again.
+</I>
+Not sure how useful it is.
+I have received 25 emails so far in today's ping (and they keep coming).
+Some of them because I am assignee, some because I am reporter, some I am in CC.
+I probably need to take action on few of them but I currently don't
+have time to check which ones so it is likely that I will end up
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;  wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure how useful it is.
+</I>&gt;<i> I have received 25 emails so far in today's ping (and they keep coming).
+</I>&gt;<i> Some of them because I am assignee, some because I am reporter, some I am in CC.
+</I>&gt;<i> I probably need to take action on few of them but I currently don't
+</I>&gt;<i> have time to check which ones so it is likely that I will end up
+</I>&gt;<i> ignoring them all...
+</I>
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+We'll remind you and everybody else who hasn't got time now :)
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+However, hopefully next time with mails that only the assignees will receive
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 14:22, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it works better in upgraded Bugzilla :)
+</I>
+No, it works in the current setup.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> A monthly (or every 2 months) reminder of bugs fitting in your above
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> query would sound sane, if it's sent only to the assignee. If not,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then the whole mass ping itself should not be done either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Waiting one month to find out whether a bug was assigned correctly is too
+</I>&gt;<i> long, in my opinion, unless the assignee is busy gathering enough
+</I>&gt;<i> information to be able to tell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should ping bug reports for which we haven't got a confirmation
+</I>&gt;<i> that the assignment was correct after two weeks, except when the assignee
+</I>&gt;<i> shows activity in the report.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the assignee thinks the bug was assigned correctly, he can put OK on the
+</I>&gt;<i> whiteboard or set status to ASSIGNED, and he won't show up in this search
+</I>&gt;<i> again, so he won't be pinged for this reason again.
+</I>
+We can make a bi-monthly check that will only whine to the assignees,
+and not others. That makes at most (for the unlucky ones), two mails a
+month summarizing what they are assigned to and that it has not been
+checked out of the query.
+
+Shall we try that?
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+&gt;<i> (removed -discuss from the discussion)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 14:22, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it works better in upgraded Bugzilla :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, it works in the current setup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should ping bug reports for which we haven't got a confirmation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that the assignment was correct after two weeks, except when the assignee
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shows activity in the report.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the assignee thinks the bug was assigned correctly, he can put OK on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whiteboard or set status to ASSIGNED, and he won't show up in this search
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again, so he won't be pinged for this reason again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can make a bi-monthly check that will only whine to the assignees,
+</I>&gt;<i> and not others. That makes at most (for the unlucky ones), two mails a
+</I>&gt;<i> month summarizing what they are assigned to and that it has not been
+</I>&gt;<i> checked out of the query.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shall we try that?
+</I>
+Well, if you replace &quot;bi-monthly&quot; by &quot;twice a month&quot; (that seems to be 
+what you mean), then: yes, please!
+
+Bi-monthly doesn't have a fixed meaning 
+<A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bi-monthly">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bi-monthly</A> ;)
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+&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 16:49, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (removed -discuss from the discussion)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 06/07/2012 14:22, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Maybe it works better in upgraded Bugzilla :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, it works in the current setup.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think we should ping bug reports for which we haven't got a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; confirmation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that the assignment was correct after two weeks, except when the assignee
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; shows activity in the report.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If the assignee thinks the bug was assigned correctly, he can put OK on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; whiteboard or set status to ASSIGNED, and he won't show up in this search
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; again, so he won't be pinged for this reason again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can make a bi-monthly check that will only whine to the assignees,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and not others. That makes at most (for the unlucky ones), two mails a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; month summarizing what they are assigned to and that it has not been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; checked out of the query.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shall we try that?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, if you replace &quot;bi-monthly&quot; by &quot;twice a month&quot; (that seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> what you mean), then: yes, please!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Bi-monthly doesn't have a fixed meaning
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bi-monthly">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bi-monthly</A> ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot, Romain :)
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Please continue these mass ping until the solution for filtering problems in 
+kmail ... we will see if it is a good solution :p
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> please report in from now chromium is broken ( compared to before ).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I am patching to use system libs instead of bundled ones ( i do one by one )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> regards;
+</I>&gt;<i> D.
+</I>Hi,
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+Maybe it explains what I read before ? 
+In the sense that it is difficult to built packages for Chromium and so it is 
+'normal' that it is 'often outdated' in comparaison with Chrome ?
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+&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 16:49, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shall we try that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, if you replace &quot;bi-monthly&quot; by &quot;twice a month&quot; (that seems to be what
+</I>&gt;<i> you mean), then: yes, please!
+</I>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
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+Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+genuinely find useful!
+
+Thoughts?
+
+Col
+
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+<PRE>07.07.2012 12:47, Colin Guthrie kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;<i> option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;<i> genuinely find useful!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>Why not :) Tho' i would ask a bit more tests at QA. Maybe notify disucuss ml about the
+packages in testing. So we can make sure there are no regressions.
+
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>I'm always in favor of those updates that make
+our life better :)
+In this case we can also consider that mga2 is
+pretty young and that hardware would not be supported
+until mga3... so yes for me.
+
+Let's do all the needed tests and go.
+
+Angelo
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 05/07/12 00:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hiya,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll land the new systemd tomorrow if no one shouts.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thinks of note in this release are some changes to the ntp mechanism
+</I>&gt;<i> (time-sync.target will not currently start until I tweak things so any
+</I>&gt;<i> services starting after it might have timing issues right now) and some
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream rpm macros for use with service management in packages which we
+</I>&gt;<i> may be able to use instead of some of the rpm-helper stuff eventually.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, nothing seems hideously broken here so I'll push it tomorrow.
+</I>
+Submitted to build system now along with a new plymouth. Don't forget to
+regenerate your initrd after updating dracut (also submitted) in order
+to use the new plymouth there.
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+Cheers
+
+Col
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+I have installed ardour but when i tried to run it could not run jack
+server, see the output:
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+]$ LC_ALL=C ardour2
+WARNING: Your system has a limit for maximum amount of locked memory!
+         This might cause Ardour to run out of memory before your system runs
+         out of memory. You can view the memory limit with 'ulimit -l', and it
+         is normally controlled by /etc/security/limits.conf
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+Ardour 2.8.12
+   (built using 10144 and GCC version 4.6.2)
+Copyright (C) 1999-2008 Paul Davis
+Some portions Copyright (C) Steve Harris, Ari Johnson, Brett Viren, Joel Baker
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+Ardour comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
+not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
+This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
+under certain conditions; see the source for copying conditions.
+theme_init() called from internal clearlooks engine
+/usr/share/themes/Adwaita/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:80: error: unexpected
+identifier `colorize_scrollbar', expected character `}'
+theme_init() called from internal clearlooks engine
+/usr/share/themes/Adwaita/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:80: error: unexpected
+identifier `colorize_scrollbar', expected character `}'
+loading default ui configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour2_ui_default.conf
+loading user ui configuration file /home/simple/.ardour2/ardour2_ui.conf
+Loading ui configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour2_ui_dark.rc
+theme_init() called from internal clearlooks engine
+ardour: [INFO]: Ardour will be limited to 4096 open files
+loading system configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour_system.rc
+ardour: [INFO]: Using SSE optimized routines
+ardour: [INFO]: looking for control protocols in
+/home/simple/.ardour2/surfaces/:/usr/lib64/ardour2/surfaces/
+ardour: [INFO]: Control surface protocol discovered: &quot;Mackie&quot;
+ardour: [INFO]: Control protocol Tranzport not usable
+ardour: [INFO]: Control surface protocol discovered: &quot;Generic MIDI&quot;
+powermate: Opening of powermate failed - No such file or directory
+ardour: [INFO]: Control protocol powermate not usable
+ardour: [INFO]: Control surface protocol discovered: &quot;Wiimote&quot;
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+jack server is not running or cannot be started
+JACK COMMAND: /usr/bin/jackd -p 128 -R -P 60 -T -d alsa -n 2 -r 48000
+-p 1024 -d hw:0,0
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+jackdmp 1.9.8
+Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
+Copyright 2004-2011 Grame.
+jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
+This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
+under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
+no message buffer overruns
+no message buffer overruns
+no message buffer overruns
+JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 60
+Cannot lock down 17373216 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
+control device hw:0
+control device hw:0
+audio_reservation_init
+Failed to acquire device name : Audio0 error : Method &quot;RequestRelease&quot;
+with signature &quot;i&quot; on interface &quot;org.freedesktop.ReserveDevice1&quot;
+doesn't exist
+
+Audio device hw:0,0 cannot be acquired...
+Cannot initialize driver
+JackServer::Open() failed with -1
+Failed to open server
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+jack server is not running or cannot be started
+
+would it be possible to check this?
+
+regards,
+Pedro
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+    <B>AL13N</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;<i> option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;<i> genuinely find useful!
+</I>
+Isn't this better fitted for backports?
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 7 juli 2012 10:47:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> genuinely find useful!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this better fitted for backports?
+</I>
+as this is to fix something that doesn't work updates seems better
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+<PRE>Le samedi 7 juillet 2012 23:59:32 AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 7 juli 2012 10:47:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; genuinely find useful!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this better fitted for backports?
+</I>No because in this case you're not going to solve &#171; hardware issue &#187; for 
+users.
+
+(&amp; backports is still an &#171; arlesienne &#187; )
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/07/12 22:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 7 juli 2012 10:47:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> genuinely find useful!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this better fitted for backports?
+</I>
+It can be a fine line at times I agree, but I think as these are updates
+to the stable branch version upstream and add extra h/w support, I'd
+personally suggest that updates makes more sense in this case.
+
+Seems a few people are generally in favour of this. I'll push updates to
+the testing area and ask for feedback on the bug. If it helps the users
+then we can ask for a regression check from people via -discuss. Make sense?
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I said previously, this is being blown wildly out of proportion. In 
+</I>&gt;<i> reality it centres around one packager and two bugs. In both these bugs the 
+</I>&gt;<i> packager expected QA to validate updates where one was an xinetd service 
+</I>&gt;<i> which expressly stated it was disabled by default but in actual fact was 
+</I>&gt;<i> enabled and in the other a mailing list with a web interface which simply 
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't work in it's default configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What it being thrown at us is that we are unreasonably expecting every 
+</I>&gt;<i> single little bug to be fixed without any common and need to make drastic 
+</I>&gt;<i> changes to our policies.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We attended the packager meeting on Wednesday to respond to this and 
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss it. At the meeting it was agreed that we had not changed the way we 
+</I>&gt;<i> have been doing things since day one and that the right way forward was to 
+</I>&gt;<i> continue doing what we were doing, with both packagers and QA using common 
+</I>&gt;<i> sense.
+</I>
+The argument you keep repeating about your opinion being common sense is
+insulting for the people who do not have the same opinion. You could at
+least admit that other people may have a different point of view,
+without saying they don't have common sense.
+
+&gt;<i> The following day the same far fetched accusations are thrown at us again, 
+</I>&gt;<i> now escalated to the ML, suggesting we caused a months delay and suggesting 
+</I>&gt;<i> a solution to the accusation being we begin to 'rubber stamp' security 
+</I>&gt;<i> updates regardless of if they actually work or not or an internet facing 
+</I>&gt;<i> service which says it's disabled is actually not so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In both cases there were simple ways to fix them. In one it was just to 
+</I>&gt;<i> alter the description (2 minutes) so it didn't say it was disabled and in 
+</I>&gt;<i> the other it was either to add a suggest or alter the default configuration 
+</I>&gt;<i> so it didn't require the missing suggest (2 minutes).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have to use common sense in QA and only ask that, to avoid all this 
+</I>&gt;<i> unpleasantness in the future, common sense is used by the packager also. 
+</I>&gt;<i> All this is a reaction to 4 minutes of additional work. That is not common 
+</I>&gt;<i> sense to me.
+</I>
+Of course if you considere packagers should blindly apply any change
+requested without any possible discussion because you decided it's common
+sense, it only takes 2 minutes. But conscientious packagers usually try
+to understand the problem they are fixing, think about the potential
+problems introduced by the change, look at the alternative solutions,
+etc ...
+
+Also adding new suggests or changing default configuration should be
+avoided in updates. The new suggest will be installed even for people
+who already have a working setup. And the configuration file will be
+updated for the people who did not need to modify it and don't
+necessarily expect this kind of change in an update.
+
+&gt;<i> If we're expected to validate updates in the state these two bugs reached 
+</I>&gt;<i> us then we may as well not be here at all.
+</I>
+The goal of updates testing is to find regressions, not to do extensive
+testing to find new unrelated bugs. This kind of testing can be useful,
+but not as part of updates testing, and preferably on Cauldron.
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+    <B>Simple w</B> 
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+After running Mageia and a debian based distro Linuxmint, one thing
+appeared strange, after installing a rpm (that included .desktop
+files) the menu entry didnt appeared after the rpm installation, it
+takes about 10 seconds after the rpm install to have the new entries
+in the kde panel menu (or kmenu), and in the debian based distro the
+time between the package install and having the entries listed in
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+Is this a problem thats only related with rpm packagement or could it
+be improved so that the menus could appear after the install in kmenu
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+
+There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated 
+and are waiting to be pushed.
+
+Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
+
+Thanks
+Claire
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 8 juillet 2012 13:49:36, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012, Claire Robinson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As I said previously, this is being blown wildly out of proportion. In
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reality it centres around one packager and two bugs. In both these bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the packager expected QA to validate updates where one was an xinetd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; service which expressly stated it was disabled by default but in actual
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fact was enabled and in the other a mailing list with a web interface
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which simply couldn't work in it's default configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What it being thrown at us is that we are unreasonably expecting every
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; single little bug to be fixed without any common and need to make drastic
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; changes to our policies.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We attended the packager meeting on Wednesday to respond to this and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; discuss it. At the meeting it was agreed that we had not changed the way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we have been doing things since day one and that the right way forward
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; was to continue doing what we were doing, with both packagers and QA
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using common sense.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The argument you keep repeating about your opinion being common sense is
+</I>&gt;<i> insulting for the people who do not have the same opinion. You could at
+</I>&gt;<i> least admit that other people may have a different point of view,
+</I>&gt;<i> without saying they don't have common sense.
+</I>
+That's not what she said.
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The following day the same far fetched accusations are thrown at us
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again, now escalated to the ML, suggesting we caused a months delay and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; suggesting a solution to the accusation being we begin to 'rubber stamp'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; security updates regardless of if they actually work or not or an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; internet facing service which says it's disabled is actually not so.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In both cases there were simple ways to fix them. In one it was just to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alter the description (2 minutes) so it didn't say it was disabled and in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the other it was either to add a suggest or alter the default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; configuration so it didn't require the missing suggest (2 minutes).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have to use common sense in QA and only ask that, to avoid all this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; unpleasantness in the future, common sense is used by the packager also.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; All this is a reaction to 4 minutes of additional work. That is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; common sense to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course if you considere packagers should blindly apply any change
+</I>&gt;<i> requested without any possible discussion because you decided it's common
+</I>&gt;<i> sense, it only takes 2 minutes. 
+</I>
+Are you really suggesting that's what Claire thinks or are you just trying to 
+warm up the atmosphere?
+
+&gt;<i> But conscientious packagers usually try to understand the problem they are
+</I>&gt;<i> fixing, think about the potential  problems introduced by the change, look at
+</I>&gt;<i> the alternative solutions, etc ...
+</I>
+Of course. Why do you seem to think that when a QA member raises a point 
+he/she considers it's an order rather than a bug report?
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Also adding new suggests or changing default configuration should be
+</I>&gt;<i> avoided in updates. The new suggest will be installed even for people
+</I>&gt;<i> who already have a working setup. And the configuration file will be
+</I>&gt;<i> updated for the people who did not need to modify it and don't
+</I>&gt;<i> necessarily expect this kind of change in an update.
+</I>
+Point noted.
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If we're expected to validate updates in the state these two bugs reached
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; us then we may as well not be here at all.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The goal of updates testing is to find regressions, not to do extensive
+</I>&gt;<i> testing to find new unrelated bugs. This kind of testing can be useful,
+</I>&gt;<i> but not as part of updates testing, and preferably on Cauldron.
+</I>
+This is the same kind of testing, we look for bugs then we can see if they are 
+regressions or not. They don't have &quot;hey I'm a regression flag, test here!&quot; 
+flags :)
+But I agree with the fact that only regressions can block an update, the other 
+bugs being left to the packager's appreciation.
+
+Samuel
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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated and
+</I>&gt;<i> are waiting to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
+</I>
+It would be better to ask on sysadmin list, anyway I could not find
+the procedure to push updates :(
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+    <B>Claire Robinson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Claire Robinson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are waiting to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be better to ask on sysadmin list, anyway I could not find
+</I>&gt;<i> the procedure to push updates :(
+</I>
+
+Thomas usually does it but hasn't been available much recently. I 
+thought it best to ask, as there is a bit of a backlog. I'm not 
+subscribed to sysadmin list, could you forward it please if you think 
+it'll help.
+
+Thanks
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> On 08/07/12 19:14, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Claire Robinson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> are waiting to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be better to ask on sysadmin list, anyway I could not find
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the procedure to push updates :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas usually does it but hasn't been available much recently. I
+</I>&gt;<i> thought it best to ask, as there is a bit of a backlog. I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribed to sysadmin list, could you forward it please if you think
+</I>&gt;<i> it'll help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+He already did ;)
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+&gt;<i> On 08/07/12 19:14, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Claire Robinson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> are waiting to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be better to ask on sysadmin list, anyway I could not find
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the procedure to push updates :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas usually does it but hasn't been available much recently. I thought it
+</I>&gt;<i> best to ask, as there is a bit of a backlog. I'm not subscribed to sysadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> list, could you forward it please if you think it'll help.
+</I>
+I found a script tmb/admin/mga-send-update and tried to push libtiff
+to 1 but partially generated email does not match at all what is
+usually sent on the ML so I did not send it, I'd better wait for him
+to know how he does it :(
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+    <B>andre999</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After running Mageia and a debian based distro Linuxmint, one thing
+</I>&gt;<i> appeared strange, after installing a rpm (that included .desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> files) the menu entry didnt appeared after the rpm installation, it
+</I>&gt;<i> takes about 10 seconds after the rpm install to have the new entries
+</I>&gt;<i> in the kde panel menu (or kmenu), and in the debian based distro the
+</I>&gt;<i> time between the package install and having the entries listed in
+</I>&gt;<i> kmenu was almost instant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this a problem thats only related with rpm packagement or could it
+</I>&gt;<i> be improved so that the menus could appear after the install in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> (without having to wait about 10 seconds)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Pedro
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>I hadn't noticed that, but I'll look next time I install something.
+It could be unrelated to rpm, but more how xdg is implemented in Mageia 
+vs Mint.
+(Since both would use xdg with .desktop files.)
+Mageia uses the same method with menus as Mandriva did, which 
+accommodates both Gnome (which I use) and KDE.  That could account for 
+the delay.
+At least a 10-second delay isn't a major problem.
+
+Regards :)
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 08/07/12 11:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 07/07/2012 18:52, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Submitted to build system now along with a new plymouth. Don't forget to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regenerate your initrd after updating dracut (also submitted) in order
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to use the new plymouth there.
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, if we're heading to a  systemd-only setup, we might remove
+</I>&gt;<i> mkinitrd, and the cumbersome dacut usage of update-altenatives.
+</I>
+Yeah I agree, but I'd like to leave that until after the usr move stuff
+(which I will post about soonish) as I'd like to use a dracut version
+quite similar to that on mga2 such that the upgrade process can be
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+our current (and out of date) mediawiki package has the following layout:
+mediawiki-minimal: a normal mediawiki installation without math support
+mediawiki: a full installation including math support
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+As of mediawiki-1.18 upstream has removed the math part from the main 
+project into an external extension.
+So I could either:
+use mediawiki itself as a meta package, just requiring mediawiki-minimal 
+and (the to be packaged) mediawiki-math which should not break any 
+exisiting installation or I could rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki 
+and package mediawiki-math as an additional extension.
+This would require people to install mediawiki-math manually after 
+upgrading.
+
+What is the preferred way here?
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> our current (and out of date) mediawiki package has the following layout:
+</I>&gt;<i> mediawiki-minimal: a normal mediawiki installation without math support
+</I>&gt;<i> mediawiki: a full installation including math support
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As of mediawiki-1.18 upstream has removed the math part from the main 
+</I>&gt;<i> project into an external extension.
+</I>&gt;<i> So I could either:
+</I>&gt;<i> use mediawiki itself as a meta package, just requiring mediawiki-minimal 
+</I>&gt;<i> and (the to be packaged) mediawiki-math which should not break any 
+</I>&gt;<i> exisiting installation or I could rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and 
+</I>&gt;<i> package mediawiki-math as an additional extension.
+</I>&gt;<i> This would require people to install mediawiki-math manually after 
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrading.
+</I>
+Maybe you can rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and package
+mediawiki-math. And make mediawiki obsolete mediawiki-minimal &lt; 1.18
+and mediawiki-math obsolete mediawiki &lt; 1.18, so that the upgrade works.
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Maybe you can rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and package
+</I>&gt;<i> mediawiki-math. And make mediawiki obsolete mediawiki-minimal&lt;  1.18
+</I>&gt;<i> and mediawiki-math obsolete mediawiki&lt;  1.18, so that the upgrade works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep.
+I didn't think about that. But it's the best way imho.
+So the package names will be upstream names and we won't break existing 
+installations!
+
+Thx.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Could somebody add mga2 into check.mageia.org? Currently, it only
+</I>&gt;<i> shows cauldron and mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel skrev:
+&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+One thing that comes to mind now...
+
+will the introducing of the deprecated hal on users systems give
+us other troubles instead ?
+
+I'd hate to have the &quot;fix&quot; introduce some more problems instead...
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+<PRE>On 07/09/2012 02:48 PM, David Walser wrote:
+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are.  He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That's really sad to hear.  I remember when Eugeni first joined 
+Mandriva.  His enthusiasm was inspirational.
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
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+This is sad news. He will be missed. :-(=
+Hopefully we'll see him on the other side.
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+Should we try to arrange sending flowers to his funeral?
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+<PRE>El lun, 09-07-2012 a las 11:48 -0700, David Walser escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are.  He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are.  He will be missed.
+</I>
+I'm sad to hear that.
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+    <B>Anne Nicolas</B> 
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+resolve the current situation with updates management.
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+QA has had a difficult time since Mageia started, its main goal being to 
+improve the overall quality and image of the Mageia distribution.
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+We all recognise that security updates are more important than other 
+fixes, but technically if another fix can be made at the same time, and 
+the packager agrees, then it should be done. An extra build on the 
+buildsystem + mirroring to the primary mirrors takes just a few hours so 
+it is not much of a delay.
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+For optimum quality it is ideal to apply the fix in both stable and 
+cauldron. We have to recognise though that we won't always have 
+resources to fix everything, so we also have to accept that not all bugs 
+will be fixed on stable.
+
+Another difficulty for the QA team is that many packages are new to them 
+too, so it is a steep learning curve, which leads to many questions.
+
+QA has done a good job of trying to balance priorities. We have known 
+critical fixes to be pushed really quickly through QA when the update 
+request was thoroughly following the updates procedure, and/or the 
+packager asked for fast QA since he underlined the bug as being _really_ 
+critical
+
+Here is what was agreed upon at Council to help both packagers and QA 
+teams to work properly, in harmony, and improve the general process. The 
+QA team will ask anything needed on bugs they hit (remember end users 
+can/will hit the same things) even during security validation. These 
+questions should be hounored and responded to, either with a &quot;will fix 
+now&quot;,  &quot;will fix later&quot; or &quot;wont fix&quot; type response, adding reasons in 
+case it can't be fixed right now.
+
+We all need to remember that every one of us is contributing of our own 
+free time, and no one person's  time is any more &quot;important&quot; than another's.
+
+This mail also means that we will have no more discussion on this topic 
+and should now close all pending discussions about all this. As a last 
+reminder, please keep in mind our code of conduct 
+(<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/code-of-conduct/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/code-of-conduct/</A>). Disagreements of this 
+nature should be raised at council and resolved amicably.
+
+To this end, this email has been written by council representatives from 
+both teams, following the council discussion, and is being sent to both 
+Packaging and QA team mailing lists. Let us all please abide by it and 
+move forward in a positive direction.
+
+Cheers and thanks
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+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+    <B>Patricia Fraser</B> 
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+This is maybe a long shot, but is anyone going to GUADEC, who is also
+interested enough in accessibility stuff to attend the accessibility
+session?
+
+I'm sure they'll put stuff up after the conference is over, but it
+would be seriously good if a Mageia person could be in touch with the
+Gnome a11y folks. Unfortunately their irc meetings are on at horrible
+times for me...
+
+Cheers,
+
+-- 
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607
+Tue Jul 10 13:27:06 EST 2012
+GNU/Linux 1997-2012 #283226 counter.li.org
+hermes up 5 hour(s), 11 min.
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
+kernel 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know  
+</I>&gt;<i> from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over  
+</I>&gt;<i> the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are.  He will be  
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+May him rest in peace.....
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<PRE>Am 09.07.2012 11:34, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+&gt;<i> Am 09.07.2012 11:27, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe you can rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mediawiki-math. And make mediawiki obsolete mediawiki-minimal&lt; 1.18
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and mediawiki-math obsolete mediawiki&lt; 1.18, so that the upgrade works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't think about that. But it's the best way imho.
+</I>&gt;<i> So the package names will be upstream names and we won't break existing
+</I>&gt;<i> installations!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I built the packages now according to Nicolas' suggestion.
+You will find them in updates_testing.
+The problem is, the math extension doesn't work till now, I'm getting 
+some error messages telling me, the latex things aren't setup correctly.
+According to a google search that does mean the apache user doesn't have 
+the right permissions on those tools, which he does.
+I am trying to debug it further but perhaps someone else does have an 
+idea. I would be greatful for it...
+
+Oliver
+
+-- 
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+&gt;<i> Am 09.07.2012 11:27, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe you can rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mediawiki-math. And make mediawiki obsolete mediawiki-minimal&lt;  1.18
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and mediawiki-math obsolete mediawiki&lt;  1.18, so that the upgrade works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't think about that. But it's the best way imho.
+</I>&gt;<i> So the package names will be upstream names and we won't break existing 
+</I>&gt;<i> installations!
+</I>
+Obsoletes are nice, but the provides are the tricky parts. Someone who 
+has mediawiki installed (with math support) won't get the 
+mediawiki-math extension package after the upgrade.
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+     Christiaan
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+unusable, as manually selecting any wifi network is impossible. Focus 
+follows the mouse pointer, but clicking doesn't have any effect. It 
+means than already configured networks will be used (networkmanager 
+works), but it seems impossible to configure new networks.
+
+I tried to update to latest version (0.9.5.95), and  also tried the UI 
+patch available in fedora package, without success.
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+So, if the UI doesn't work, is there any documentation available about 
+manually handling networkmanager configuration ?
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+    <B>Stefano Negro</B> 
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+I'd  like to inform that we have a new mirror in Italy.
+Just start synchronization today at 15pm.
+I have filled in the mirrors.mageia.org.
+I hope that this could increase the Italian community as all initiatives
+all the team did.
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+    <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are.  He will be missed.
+</I>Most certainly.. :'(
+
+I spent most of yesterday crying and crying over this..
+He's without doubt been one of the most kind, friendly and caring
+people that's ever passing by us, I don't think anyone's ever achieved
+anything nearby as for what a likable character goes.. :(
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+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i> Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After running Mageia and a debian based distro Linuxmint, one thing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appeared strange, after installing a rpm (that included .desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files) the menu entry didnt appeared after the rpm installation, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> takes about 10 seconds after the rpm install to have the new entries
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the kde panel menu (or kmenu), and in the debian based distro the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time between the package install and having the entries listed in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kmenu was almost instant.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a problem thats only related with rpm packagement or could it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be improved so that the menus could appear after the install in kmenu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (without having to wait about 10 seconds)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pedro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;<i> I hadn't noticed that, but I'll look next time I install something.
+</I>&gt;<i> It could be unrelated to rpm, but more how xdg is implemented in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> vs Mint.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Since both would use xdg with .desktop files.)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia uses the same method with menus as Mandriva did, which
+</I>&gt;<i> accommodates both Gnome (which I use) and KDE.  That could account for
+</I>&gt;<i> the delay.
+</I>
+That shouldn't really have an effect on the delay, it is just a
+different layout.
+
+Possibly
+a) Simple w didn't use KDE in Mint but another DE, which would affect
+   the speed (maybe the other DE detects changes more aggressively), or
+b) Mint somehow triggers menu update when a package is updated (not
+   as easy as one would think, as packages are updated by root
+   and menus are user-specific), or
+c) An interaction difference between apt and rpm which causes KDE to
+   detect menu file changes slower, or
+d) A KDE bug.
+
+&gt;<i> At least a 10-second delay isn't a major problem.
+</I>
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+    <B>Liam R E Quin</B> 
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+<PRE>On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 21:08 +0200, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/7/9 David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are.  He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Most certainly.. :'(
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I spent most of yesterday crying and crying over this..
+</I>
+It's difficult to lose a friend, and there is much honour in admitting
+it.
+
+Can we name the next release after him?
+
+Liam
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<PRE>Am 10.07.2012 21:41, schrieb Liam R E Quin:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 21:08 +0200, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/7/9 David Walser&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are.  He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most certainly.. :'(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I spent most of yesterday crying and crying over this..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's difficult to lose a friend, and there is much honour in admitting
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we name the next release after him?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've never got to know him personally. Like most of us I only know him 
+from the mls and irc.
+Bur it's still sad to see someone like him die in such a fashion.
+Iirc we don't have names for our release, but we could surely discuss it.
+
+Farewell Eugeni!
+
+Oliver
+
+-- 
+obgr_seneca aka Oliver Burger
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+
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
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+<PRE>20.06.2012 00:55, Anssi Hannula kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> 17.06.2012 23:44, Simple w kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (@shlomif, sorry for double post, I sent the previous one from an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unsubscribed address)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 06.06.2012 21:50, shlomif kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : libbsd                       Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 0.3.0                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 4.mga3                        Build Date: Wed Jun  6 20:50:30 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : Development/C                 Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 105088                           License: BSD and ISC and Copyright only and Public Domain
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/">http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : Library providing BSD-compatible functions for portability
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libbsd provides useful functions commonly found on BSD systems, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lacking on others like GNU systems, thus making it easier to port
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> projects with strong BSD origins, without needing to embed the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> code over and over again on each project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 0.3.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 256602
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Correct the devel package Group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Correct the group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Bump the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix the man pages globs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   + kamil &lt;kamil&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     - imported package libbsd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We already have a libbsd.a from glibc. This package will cause software
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> being linked with &quot;-lbsd&quot; to be linked against libbsd.so of libbsd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package instead of libbsd.a of glibc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Why do we need this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Its needed for bumblebee.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I remember you saying this when i asked you to review bumblebee
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages and i explained you why was needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems I was a bit unclear. I meant &quot;Why is it needed by bumblebee and
+</I>&gt;<i> why is glibc's libbsd.a not enough?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case, the packaging issue needs to be fixed by a library removal
+</I>&gt;<i> or a rename.
+</I>
+Ping?
+
+I guess I can look at this in a few weeks or so if no one else does...
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need to either rename or drop one of them (libbsd or libbsd.a from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> glibc), otherwise this will cause bad linking behavior.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I raised this originally in my libbsd.spec review at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I hope the other points in the above review have been addressed (haven't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> checked yet).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+
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+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
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+    <B>andre999</B> 
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+<PRE>David Walser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are.  He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>Really sad indeed.
+I didn't have direct contact with him, but from what I saw from his 
+posts, etc on Mandriva and Mageia, it is evident that he was a really 
+positive person who contributed a lot.  Even to Mageia when it was 
+starting out.
+Shame he had to go so young -- only 31 years old.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Can we name the next release after him?
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+I like that idea. It got my vote.
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+Johnny A. Solbu
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+    <B>Malo</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 10 July 2012 21:41, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can we name the next release after him?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I like that idea. It got my vote.
+</I>
+Or add somewhere in the installer (splash screen or one of the images appearing
+during the package install) something like:
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+&quot;In memoram Eugeni Dodonov, Mageia contributor and friend&quot;
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 11/07/12 02:11, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 10 July 2012 21:41, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can we name the next release after him?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like that idea. It got my vote.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or add somewhere in the installer (splash screen or one of the images appearing
+</I>&gt;<i> during the package install) something like:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;In memoram Eugeni Dodonov, Mageia contributor and friend&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Malo
+</I>
+I'm agree with the proposotion of malo, because our release doesn't
+have name. But a phrase on the top of the installer would be very
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi Guys,
+
+There are a couple packages left still needing the old udev library and
+I'd like to get them sorted now.
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64udev0 libudev0
+chromium-browser-unstable
+chromium-browser-unstable
+enna
+enna
+lib64udev0
+lib64zypp901
+libmyth0.24
+libudev0
+libzypp901
+
+
+All the libs can be ignored as they are all no longer needed, so it's
+just enna and chromium-browser-unstable.
+
+For enna, it needs fixes for (I think) new GCC or newer libvalhalla, so
+it would be great if someone could look at that. I'm not familiar with
+the project, but I did find some references that it's more or less
+deprecated now (Geebox seems to have switched to xbmc as it's primary
+frontend:
+<A HREF="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws</A>)
+
+For chromium-browser-unstable I propose we just drop it. We can keep the
+-stable chromium named as it is just now although I would personally
+prefer to see it just called &quot;chromium-browser&quot; (as no other package has
+this strange naming policy and arguably many of them could if we shipped
+two versions). I don't see a problem re-introducing an -unstable variant
+again in the future, but unless someone is actively maintaining it it's
+arguably just getting in the way.
+
+Thoughts?
+
+(CC'ed TV as he has been the most frequent committed to -unstable of late)
+
+Col
+
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi Guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a couple packages left still needing the old udev library and
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to get them sorted now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64udev0 libudev0
+</I>&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64udev0
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64zypp901
+</I>&gt;<i> libmyth0.24
+</I>&gt;<i> libudev0
+</I>&gt;<i> libzypp901
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the libs can be ignored as they are all no longer needed, so it's
+</I>&gt;<i> just enna and chromium-browser-unstable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For enna, it needs fixes for (I think) new GCC or newer libvalhalla, so
+</I>&gt;<i> it would be great if someone could look at that. I'm not familiar with
+</I>&gt;<i> the project, but I did find some references that it's more or less
+</I>&gt;<i> deprecated now (Geebox seems to have switched to xbmc as it's primary
+</I>&gt;<i> frontend:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For chromium-browser-unstable I propose we just drop it. We can keep the
+</I>&gt;<i> -stable chromium named as it is just now although I would personally
+</I>&gt;<i> prefer to see it just called &quot;chromium-browser&quot; (as no other package has
+</I>&gt;<i> this strange naming policy and arguably many of them could if we shipped
+</I>&gt;<i> two versions). I don't see a problem re-introducing an -unstable variant
+</I>&gt;<i> again in the future, but unless someone is actively maintaining it it's
+</I>&gt;<i> arguably just getting in the way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (CC'ed TV as he has been the most frequent committed to -unstable of late)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i will update it soon ( today i hope )
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 11/07/12 09:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are a couple packages left still needing the old udev library and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to get them sorted now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64udev0 libudev0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64udev0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64zypp901
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libmyth0.24
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libudev0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libzypp901
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All the libs can be ignored as they are all no longer needed, so it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just enna and chromium-browser-unstable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For enna, it needs fixes for (I think) new GCC or newer libvalhalla, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it would be great if someone could look at that. I'm not familiar with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the project, but I did find some references that it's more or less
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> deprecated now (Geebox seems to have switched to xbmc as it's primary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> frontend:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For chromium-browser-unstable I propose we just drop it. We can keep the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -stable chromium named as it is just now although I would personally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prefer to see it just called &quot;chromium-browser&quot; (as no other package has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this strange naming policy and arguably many of them could if we shipped
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> two versions). I don't see a problem re-introducing an -unstable variant
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again in the future, but unless someone is actively maintaining it it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arguably just getting in the way.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (CC'ed TV as he has been the most frequent committed to -unstable of late)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i will update it soon ( today i hope )
+</I>
+Cool. I presume you mean the crhomium bit?
+
+What about the enna? Anyone know anything about that?
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Or add somewhere in the installer (splash screen or one of the images appearing
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+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;In memoram Eugeni Dodonov, Mageia contributor and friend&quot;
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+&gt;<i> Since some days already, user interface of networmanager is quite
+</I>&gt;<i> unusable, as manually selecting any wifi network is impossible.
+</I>&gt;<i> Focus follows the mouse pointer, but clicking doesn't have any
+</I>&gt;<i> effect. It means than already configured networks will be used
+</I>&gt;<i> (networkmanager works), but it seems impossible to configure new
+</I>&gt;<i> networks.
+</I>
+Could you please file a bug upstream?
+
+&gt;<i> I tried to update to latest version (0.9.5.95), and  also tried the
+</I>&gt;<i> UI patch available in fedora package, without success.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if the UI doesn't work, is there any documentation available
+</I>&gt;<i> about manually handling networkmanager configuration ?
+</I>
+You have nmcli, but no wireless on my Mageia machine.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+
+This is just a message regarding the upcoming /usr move.
+
+The good news is that most of the hard work is already done by Fedora folk.
+
+There is still a bit to do but the process is actually quite simple.
+
+The steps are as follows:
+ 1. Release a dracut package that is capable of running the usermove on
+boot (or current package should be fine).
+ 2. Add a patch to RPM that introduces a new check that must pass before
+a given RPM can be installed.
+ 3. Create a new &quot;filesystem&quot; build that uses this check.
+
+
+The above process ensures that the new &quot;filesystem&quot; package cannot be
+installed on existing systems with the old layout.
+
+Several other packages will be subsequently broken (some packages ship
+their binaries in /bin but symlink them to /usr/bin  but when /bin is
+itself a symlink to /usr/bin, they package ultimately conflicts with
+itself!). We need to identify such packages and fix them and have them
+ready to go. In order to do the transition correctly, we may need to fix
+them first, build them and then wait until all such packages are fixed,
+THEN update the filesystem rpm and then rebuild all such packages with a
+dep on the filesystem &gt; x package. This might be needed to avoid any
+problems on the build system chroots.
+
+During this window when packages are updated but do not depend on the
+new filesystem, some things might break as hard-coded paths may no
+longer work. I don't think this will affect the chroots and build system
+too much, but it might affect real systems if people do an auto-update.
+Therefore I'd propose to do this work at a time when people can be
+warned and there are a few of us about to fix things up on the chroots
+should things go wrong :)
+
+Once all this preparation work is done, users will find they cannot
+install the filesystem and the various packages that depend on it.
+
+In order to upgrade I will push a new package
+&quot;mageia-filesystem-update&quot;. This package will create a new initrd via
+dracut and add a menu option in the boot loader that will trigger
+dracut's built in migration routine. Users will then be requested to
+reboot using this option and then run the package updates.
+
+The new filesystem rpm can then remove this conversion package
+automatically (via conflicts, not obsoletes) if we think that's wise to
+do such housekeeping.
+
+
+
+In a set of follow up emails I'll post some results from investigations
+of what packages are affected by the change (preliminary checks are
+quite promising in that there are not too many packages that will need
+fixed - IIRC fedora found ~30 packages which isn't too bad).
+
+Please let me know if the process is not clear or you think I've missed
+something.
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+    <I>Wed Jul 11 14:39:04 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:52:17PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i>  2. Add a patch to RPM that introduces a new check that must pass before
+</I>&gt;<i> a given RPM can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>  3. Create a new &quot;filesystem&quot; build that uses this check.
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> Several other packages will be subsequently broken (some packages ship
+</I>&gt;<i> their binaries in /bin but symlink them to /usr/bin  but when /bin is
+</I>&gt;<i> itself a symlink to /usr/bin, they package ultimately conflicts with
+</I>&gt;<i> itself!). We need to identify such packages and fix them and have them
+</I>&gt;<i> ready to go. In order to do the transition correctly, we may need to fix
+</I>&gt;<i> them first, build them and then wait until all such packages are fixed,
+</I>&gt;<i> THEN update the filesystem rpm and then rebuild all such packages with a
+</I>&gt;<i> dep on the filesystem &gt; x package. This might be needed to avoid any
+</I>&gt;<i> problems on the build system chroots.
+</I>
+Shouldn't those packages also rely on the new RPM check? Or you mean
+just update those packages and don't allow for symlinks between /bin and
+/usr/bin (+same for sbin)?
+
+Would the new RPM do a runtime check to see if things have been
+migrated?
+
+Does Dracut usrmove handle the packages which at the moment contain
+symlinks (e.g. /bin/foo -&gt; /usr/bin/foo and e.g. /usr/bin/bar -&gt;
+/bin/bar)? Or should either dracut or the packages have conflicts to
+deal with this?
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 11/07/12 13:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:52:17PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  2. Add a patch to RPM that introduces a new check that must pass before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a given RPM can be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  3. Create a new &quot;filesystem&quot; build that uses this check.
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Several other packages will be subsequently broken (some packages ship
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their binaries in /bin but symlink them to /usr/bin  but when /bin is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> itself a symlink to /usr/bin, they package ultimately conflicts with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> itself!). We need to identify such packages and fix them and have them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ready to go. In order to do the transition correctly, we may need to fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them first, build them and then wait until all such packages are fixed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> THEN update the filesystem rpm and then rebuild all such packages with a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dep on the filesystem &gt; x package. This might be needed to avoid any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems on the build system chroots.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Shouldn't those packages also rely on the new RPM check? Or you mean
+</I>&gt;<i> just update those packages and don't allow for symlinks between /bin and
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin (+same for sbin)?
+</I>
+They don't need to. Provided they &quot;Require(pre): filesystem &gt;= foo&quot; and
+rely on the check being in filesystem rpm packge. That prevents too many
+&quot;quirks&quot; being in too many packages (the error message would also be
+more confusing for users but a simple &quot;I need a newer filesystem
+package&quot; is a bit clearer.
+
+&gt;<i> Would the new RPM do a runtime check to see if things have been
+</I>&gt;<i> migrated?
+</I>
+Yes, this is what the patch does, but as mentioned it would only be the
+&quot;filesystem&quot; rpm that would actually implement this check.
+
+&gt;<i> Does Dracut usrmove handle the packages which at the moment contain
+</I>&gt;<i> symlinks (e.g. /bin/foo -&gt; /usr/bin/foo and e.g. /usr/bin/bar -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/bar)? Or should either dracut or the packages have conflicts to
+</I>&gt;<i> deal with this?
+</I>
+The code in dracut deals with this currently. It will overwrite symlinks
+with the real binary instead.
+
+The code is actually quite simple:
+
+/usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30convertfs/convertfs.sh
+
+
+There may be some junk left behind when packages provide separate
+binaries of the same name in /bin vs /usr/bin (and sbin), but this is
+relatively rare (although I will mention this more in my next message).
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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