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I often have the feeling that certain sentences from french +</I>>><i> people come +</I>>><i> accross as rude to me. I've come to understand that this is not the +</I>>><i> intention, +</I>>><i> but somehow related to how french sentences are built and how it's been +</I>>><i> translated to english. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> The same thing was pointed out to me by a native speaker (as MrsB is), +</I>><i> when I wrote an answer that somehow was rather rude to the receiver. +</I>><i> We have to keep in mind, that most of us are non native speakers and +</I>><i> that all of us have slightly different cultures. +</I>><i> So - although it may be hard - it would be good for the native speakers +</I>><i> among us, not to put every word through a rudeness detector. I know the +</I>><i> Brits are far more courteous then the Germans (and perhaps the French as +</I>><i> well?), so let's go back to fixing bugs and not feeling hurt by people +</I>><i> who might not even be rude from their point of view... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> + +This has nothing to do with being rude. + +As I said previously, this is being blown wildly out of proportion. In +reality it centres around one packager and two bugs. In both these bugs +the packager expected QA to validate updates where one was an xinetd +service which expressly stated it was disabled by default but in actual +fact was enabled and in the other a mailing list with a web interface +which simply couldn't work in it's default configuration. + +What it being thrown at us is that we are unreasonably expecting every +single little bug to be fixed without any common and need to make +drastic changes to our policies. + +We attended the packager meeting on Wednesday to respond to this and +discuss it. At the meeting it was agreed that we had not changed the way +we have been doing things since day one and that the right way forward +was to continue doing what we were doing, with both packagers and QA +using common sense. + +The following day the same far fetched accusations are thrown at us +again, now escalated to the ML, suggesting we caused a months delay and +suggesting a solution to the accusation being we begin to 'rubber stamp' +security updates regardless of if they actually work or not or an +internet facing service which says it's disabled is actually not so. + +In both cases there were simple ways to fix them. In one it was just to +alter the description (2 minutes) so it didn't say it was disabled and +in the other it was either to add a suggest or alter the default +configuration so it didn't require the missing suggest (2 minutes). + +We have to use common sense in QA and only ask that, to avoid all this +unpleasantness in the future, common sense is used by the packager also. +All this is a reaction to 4 minutes of additional work. That is not +common sense to me. + +If we're expected to validate updates in the state these two bugs +reached us then we may as well not be here at all. + +Claire +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="017192.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="017198.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#17194">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#17194">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#17194">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#17194">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |