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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+<PRE>On 06/30/2012 05:17 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/06/12 11:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 29/06/12 23:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I post it here as it applies to various packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some systemd files still reference old udev services/targets, even some in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd itself:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.service&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:After=udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:Wants=udev.service udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.target&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libvirtd.service:After=udev.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should not these change to refer to systemd-udev-* ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup, I'll fix them up, but I want to rename systemd-udev* to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-udevd* as this better fits the other upstream daemon services.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've discussed with upstream so a patch will be submitted upstream too :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These should all be fixed in the next build.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+One missing :)
+
+werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev-.*&quot; *
+systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# rpm -qf systemd-udev-settle.service
+systemd-units-185-2.mga3
+werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# ls *udev-trig*
+systemd-udev-trigger.service
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+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:55:00AM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
+</I>
+I've changed the condition to use the internal ffmpeg copy.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 01/07/12 00:03 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 06/30/2012 05:17 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/06/12 11:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 29/06/12 23:38 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I post it here as it applies to various packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some systemd files still reference old udev services/targets, even
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd itself:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.service&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:After=udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fedora-wait-storage.service:Wants=udev.service udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev.*\.target&quot; *
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libvirtd.service:After=udev.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva-save-dmesg.service:After=udev-settle.service local-fs.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should not these change to refer to systemd-udev-* ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yup, I'll fix them up, but I want to rename systemd-udev* to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd-udevd* as this better fits the other upstream daemon services.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've discussed with upstream so a patch will be submitted upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These should all be fixed in the next build.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One missing :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# grep -r &quot;=udev-.*&quot; *
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-udev-settle.service:After=udev-trigger.service
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# rpm -qf systemd-udev-settle.service
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-units-185-2.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:/lib/systemd/system# ls *udev-trig*
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-udev-trigger.service
+</I>
+Gah!
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:55:00AM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've changed the condition to use the internal ffmpeg copy.
+</I>
+Not ideal tho'. We don't want to have 50 copies of ffmpeg in an ideal
+world as it's a nightmare when a security vuln is found....
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>
+Finally got around to trying this - here is the output so far:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at ThinkFox</A> ~]$ gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet
+GNU gdb (GDB) 7.3.50.20110722-4.mga2 (Mageia release 2)
+Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
+&lt;<A HREF="http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html">http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html</A>&gt;
+This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
+There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type &quot;show
+copying&quot;
+and &quot;show warranty&quot; for details.
+This GDB was configured as &quot;x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu&quot;.
+For bug reporting instructions, please see:
+&lt;<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/">http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/</A>&gt;...
+Reading symbols from /usr/bin/perl...Reading symbols
+from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/perl5.16.0.debug...done.
+done.
+&quot;/usr/bin/net_applet&quot; is not a core dump: File format not recognized
+(gdb) run
+Starting program: /usr/bin/perl
+[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
+Using host libthread_db library &quot;/lib64/libthread_db.so.1&quot;.
+
+and it just sits there - program doesn't start.
+
+Didn't get very far . . .
+
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 13:17 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:55:00AM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've changed the condition to use the internal ffmpeg copy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not ideal tho'. We don't want to have 50 copies of ffmpeg in an ideal
+</I>&gt;<i> world as it's a nightmare when a security vuln is found....
+</I>
+It still didn't build so I'll revert
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+&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>
+Installation failed:
+ file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+<PRE>30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>
+I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+
+@Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0200
+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally got around to trying this - here is the output so far:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at ThinkFox</A> ~]$ gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU gdb (GDB) 7.3.50.20110722-4.mga2 (Mageia release 2)
+</I>&gt;<i> Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+</I>&gt;<i> License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html">http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type &quot;show
+</I>&gt;<i> copying&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and &quot;show warranty&quot; for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> This GDB was configured as &quot;x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> For bug reporting instructions, please see:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/">http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/</A>&gt;...
+</I>&gt;<i> Reading symbols from /usr/bin/perl...Reading symbols
+</I>&gt;<i> from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/perl5.16.0.debug...done.
+</I>&gt;<i> done.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/bin/net_applet&quot; is not a core dump: File format not recognized
+</I>&gt;<i> (gdb) run
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting program: /usr/bin/perl
+</I>&gt;<i> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
+</I>&gt;<i> Using host libthread_db library &quot;/lib64/libthread_db.so.1&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and it just sits there - program doesn't start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Didn't get very far . . .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's the wrong way to invoke gdb. You need:
+
+$ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+
+And in the gdb prompt:
+
+$ r /usr/bin/net_applet
+
+You can also use a --command start-up flag for that.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+<PRE>Hi Robert,
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+On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0200
+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally got around to trying this - here is the output so far:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rfox at ThinkFox</A> ~]$ gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU gdb (GDB) 7.3.50.20110722-4.mga2 (Mageia release 2)
+</I>&gt;<i> Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+</I>&gt;<i> License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html">http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type &quot;show
+</I>&gt;<i> copying&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and &quot;show warranty&quot; for details.
+</I>&gt;<i> This GDB was configured as &quot;x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> For bug reporting instructions, please see:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/">http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/</A>&gt;...
+</I>&gt;<i> Reading symbols from /usr/bin/perl...Reading symbols
+</I>&gt;<i> from /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/perl5.16.0.debug...done.
+</I>&gt;<i> done.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/bin/net_applet&quot; is not a core dump: File format not recognized
+</I>&gt;<i> (gdb) run
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting program: /usr/bin/perl
+</I>&gt;<i> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
+</I>&gt;<i> Using host libthread_db library &quot;/lib64/libthread_db.so.1&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and it just sits there - program doesn't start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's the wrong way to use gdb. You should do:
+
+$ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+$ run /usr/bin/net_applet
+
+Also look into gdb's --command flag for start up commands.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> Didn't get very far . . .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
+Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+Escape from GNU Autohell - <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/autohell/">http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/autohell/</A>
+
+Whitespace in Python is not a problem: just lay out all the whitespace first,
+then add the code around it.
+ &#8212; sizz on Freenode's #perl
+
+Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>
+Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+
+Col
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM, andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release (and not only the DVD) remains installed. So there are cases where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you confirm that the nonfree firmware wasn't removed during a DVD
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade? Upgrading
+</I>&gt;<i> using mgaapplet DID seem to remove the firmware from my install. I
+</I>&gt;<i> had major issues with AMD
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics, discussed elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I just used the DVD to upgrade Mageia 1 on a laptop to Mageia 2, without
+having a network cable attached. I did not try to connect to a network
+during install.
+
+It needs the non-free ipw2200-firmware for its wireless card to work
+
+After reboot, WLAN functioned just as well as before upgrading. Even all
+settings and the password were kept :)
+
+It never works after a clean DVD install
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+Cheers,
+marja
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>From <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:</A>
+</I>Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64camel38-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebook14-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ecal15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-book15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-cal18-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver17-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebackend4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver-devel-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64evolution-data-server-gir1.2-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-debug-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
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+I don't see lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm on the
+mirrors. Could be some spec file error. I noticed the spec file doing
+something with Obsoletes: lib64edataserverui4.
+
+Could some assist me? I don't really get what should be done or what is
+wrong.
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+ <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B>
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+<PRE>On 01.07.2012 20:17, Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i>From <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64camel38-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebook14-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ecal15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-book15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-cal18-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver17-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebackend4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver-devel-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64evolution-data-server-gir1.2-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-debug-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm on the
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors. Could be some spec file error. I noticed the spec file doing
+</I>&gt;<i> something with Obsoletes: lib64edataserverui4.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could some assist me? I don't really get what should be done or what is
+</I>&gt;<i> wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just remove the obsolete. It's been there &quot;always&quot; (since pkg was
+imported to Mdv svn in 2007 [1]) and we or Mdv aren't providing any
+libedataserverui4 pkg.
+
+[1]
+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/evolution-data-server/current/SPECS/evolution-data-server.spec?revision=2247&amp;view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/evolution-data-server/current/SPECS/evolution-data-server.spec?revision=2247&amp;view=markup</A>
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+ <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B>
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+<PRE>On 01.07.2012 20:32, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 20:17, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;From <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120701144618.ovitters.valstar.28300/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3/build.0.20120701144619.log:</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64camel38-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebook14-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ecal15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-book15-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edata-cal18-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver17-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64ebackend4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64edataserver-devel-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/lib64evolution-data-server-gir1.2-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wrote: /home/iurt/rpm/RPMS/x86_64/evolution-data-server-debug-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't see lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirrors. Could be some spec file error. I noticed the spec file doing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something with Obsoletes: lib64edataserverui4.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could some assist me? I don't really get what should be done or what is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just remove the obsolete. It's been there &quot;always&quot; (since pkg was
+</I>&gt;<i> imported to Mdv svn in 2007 [1]) and we or Mdv aren't providing any
+</I>&gt;<i> libedataserverui4 pkg.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1]
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/evolution-data-server/current/SPECS/evolution-data-server.spec?revision=2247&amp;view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/evolution-data-server/current/SPECS/evolution-data-server.spec?revision=2247&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+was available in mdv 2006.0.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+</I>
+OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.
+
+The exception was a patch that related to udev-acl which is now
+deprecated and the stuff relating to generating hotplug rules...
+
+
+44 Source34: udev_import_usermap
+45 # from hotplug-2004_09_23
+46 Source40: hotplug-usb.distmap
+47 Source41: hotplug-usb.handmap
+
+216 %{buildroot}%{_sbindir}/udev_import_usermap --no-driver-agent usb
+%{SOURCE40} %{SOURCE41} &gt;
+%{buildroot}%{system_rules_dir}/70-hotplug_map.rules
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+
+These files haven't changed in more than 5 years and I'd be incredibly
+surprised if they are needed these days - the kernel will generally
+automatically load modules as needed without requiring any manual
+modprobe calls.
+
+Col
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+--
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 15:33 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>
+Hmm, not sure how I can add an Obsoletes to the systemd-debug package....
+
+Just remove it manually I guess. Not sure it's worth putting in anything
+special into things.
+
+Col
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:11:53PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:55:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - various new dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another package request:
+</I>&gt;<i> colord-gtk-0.1.22.tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/releases/">http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/releases/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> needed for gnome-color-manager
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.
+</I>
+For the avoidance of doubt, when you get the new version, please
+remember to rebuild your initrd too such that the rules make it into the
+initrd.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the avoidance of doubt, when you get the new version, please
+</I>&gt;<i> remember to rebuild your initrd too such that the rules make it into the
+</I>&gt;<i> initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Or wait for currently building kernel-3.4.4-2.mga3 to do it for you :)
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+&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
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+Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
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+Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
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+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:20, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+</I>&gt;<i> lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Trouble is it will hit us during upgrade from mga2 to mga3.
+
+So I guess it need a versioned conflict to force the upgrade
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+&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 22:33, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:20, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trouble is it will hit us during upgrade from mga2 to mga3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess it need a versioned conflict to force the upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Another possible solution would be an updated mga2 pkg to core/updates.
+
+However that doesn't fix the update problem if user doesn't update
+his/hers mga2 up-to-date before ugrading to mga3.
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+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:37, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 22:33, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:20, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Trouble is it will hit us during upgrade from mga2 to mga3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess it need a versioned conflict to force the upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another possible solution would be an updated mga2 pkg to core/updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed, and with the planned GNOME updates for mga2, this can be fixed
+
+
+&gt;<i> However that doesn't fix the update problem if user doesn't update
+</I>&gt;<i> his/hers mga2 up-to-date before ugrading to mga3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+True, but most will probably jump on the update for mga2,
+for the rest we need to add a versioned conflict.
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+The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
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+&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>
+How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
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+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have asked that too, but drakx-installer-stage2 needs it,
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5901.">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5901.</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
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+so we need to fix that dep first.
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+&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 21:40, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 19:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/07/12 17:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 01/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 30.06.2012 05:46, Charles A Edwards kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lilo append contains nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In spite of these facts All the nouveau modules are loaded and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia driver Can Not be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only way I was able to fix this issue was to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist nouveau
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess Colin missed one or more of our udev patches when merging udev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to systemd, since /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules looks like stock
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream here, which doesn't include our proprietary driver handling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @Colin, can you recheck for missed patches?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ahh yep, that's pretty likely. Will check in a moment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the avoidance of doubt, when you get the new version, please
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> remember to rebuild your initrd too such that the rules make it into the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initrd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or wait for currently building kernel-3.4.4-2.mga3 to do it for you :)
+</I>
+Well you'll have to be lucky on the order of install - but yes, that did
+cross my mind!!
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 22:44, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:37, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 22:33, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 22:20, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:41:15PM +0300, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the .spec needs some cleaning as there's more unneeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes/defines. E.g. 'Obsoletes: %oldlibname2006' obsoletes lib which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was available in mdv 2006.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Only cleaned the Obsoletes thing for lib64edataserverui4. Still facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> issues :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How can I avoid that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I guess that's because the old obsoletes wasn't versioned. If the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib isn't needed by any other pkg, you could remove it first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Trouble is it will hit us during upgrade from mga2 to mga3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess it need a versioned conflict to force the upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another possible solution would be an updated mga2 pkg to core/updates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, and with the planned GNOME updates for mga2, this can be fixed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However that doesn't fix the update problem if user doesn't update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> his/hers mga2 up-to-date before ugrading to mga3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True, but most will probably jump on the update for mga2,
+</I>&gt;<i> for the rest we need to add a versioned conflict.
+</I>
+Just for reference (I'll post full details once I've got them worked
+out), the upgrade process from mga2 (or earlier) to mga3 will likely be
+interesting due to the planned usr move.
+
+It will probably require a &quot;preparation&quot; step which will involve booting
+with a special initrd. This will likely need updated packages.
+
+So while we can't guarantee users upgrade *this* package, we might have
+to mandate that users will install at least some updates!
+
+The process itself is actually relatively simple, but I think personally
+it would be nice to get the base bits done before the big rebuild after
+the new glibc comes along as we can use the opportunity to add some
+extra lint rules and tidy up some specs.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 15:33 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, not sure how I can add an Obsoletes to the systemd-debug package....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just remove it manually I guess. Not sure it's worth putting in anything
+</I>&gt;<i> special into things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+we can't , debug needs to be removed and reinstalled if conflicts
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+<PRE>02.07.2012 00:05, D.Morgan skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 15:33 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, not sure how I can add an Obsoletes to the systemd-debug package....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just remove it manually I guess. Not sure it's worth putting in anything
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> special into things.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we can't , debug needs to be removed and reinstalled if conflicts
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, we can add conflicts so urpmi/rpm knows what to do.
+
+Easpecially in this case as udev is merged with systemd, even an
+obsoletes would be ok.
+
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+Thomas
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+<PRE>On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 02.07.2012 00:05, D.Morgan skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 01/07/12 15:33 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now that the keyboard mapping issue has been sussed, I will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> submitting this today. You have been warned!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/accelerometer.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/ata_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/cdrom_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/collect.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/keymap.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/mtd_probe.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/scsi_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib/udev/v4l_id.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0.1.1.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/sbin/udevadm.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/libudev.so.debug from install of systemd-debug-185-3.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package udev-debug-181-8.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, not sure how I can add an Obsoletes to the systemd-debug package....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just remove it manually I guess. Not sure it's worth putting in anything
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> special into things.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we can't , debug needs to be removed and reinstalled if conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we can add conflicts so urpmi/rpm knows what to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Easpecially in this case as udev is merged with systemd, even an
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoletes would be ok.
+</I>
+how do you add an obsolete in the debug package ?
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+<PRE>On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:47:39 +0200 (CEST)
+tmb wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : fglrx Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 8.980 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 2.mga3.nonfree Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Sun Jul 1 22:43:26 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware Source RPM: (none) Size : 106734049
+</I>
+
+What about the nvidia driver
+
+295.59 has been out since 2012.06.11
+
+
+
+ Charles
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 02.07.2012 00:05, D.Morgan skrev:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we can't , debug needs to be removed and reinstalled if conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, we can add conflicts so urpmi/rpm knows what to do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Easpecially in this case as udev is merged with systemd, even an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obsoletes would be ok.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> how do you add an obsolete in the debug package ?
+</I>&gt;<i> .
+</I>
+Ah, I forgot -debug packages are automatcally created...
+
+Now where did I put the brown paper bag...
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+<PRE>On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:13:46 +0100
+Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; OK, I've migrated the missing patches and rules.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For the avoidance of doubt, when you get the new version, please
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; remember to rebuild your initrd too such that the rules make it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; into the initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Or wait for currently building kernel-3.4.4-2.mga3 to do it for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well you'll have to be lucky on the order of install
+</I>
+The install order did work out.
+
+Booting 3.4.4-server-2.mga3 does not require that
+nouveau be blacklisted
+
+
+ Charles
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:47:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> tmb wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : fglrx Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 8.980 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 2.mga3.nonfree Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sun Jul 1 22:43:26 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hardware Source RPM: (none) Size : 106734049
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about the nvidia driver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 295.59 has been out since 2012.06.11
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Done.
+
+--
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+Thomas
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+ovitters wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : evolution Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 3.5.3.1 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mon Jul 2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;<i> Networking/Mail Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> 12051792 License: LGPLv2+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>
+
+Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+(installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
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+makes so many of them.
+ -- Abraham Lincoln
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+<PRE>Okay, so as promised I am ready to start on MCC2.
+
+I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++, to
+create a window and buttons.
+Ready to get going on the real code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to
+hit Cauldron.
+
+I'll start writing out some formal plans, but I have been giving some
+thought to the code and am starting to form a general overview of how I
+think it could be coded.
+
+I'll report back once the perl binding arrive and I have some code and
+plans ready.
+
+Cheers
+
+Steven
+
+On 28/06/12 09:38, Steven Tucker wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Angelo,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> great to see you put your hand up.
+</I>&gt;<i> My position at the moment, is to get through this week at work, then
+</I>&gt;<i> starting Monday begin work on this project.
+</I>&gt;<i> The first step is to port the relevant libYui and related libraries
+</I>&gt;<i> which is what I had planned to work on next week, but if Matteo is
+</I>&gt;<i> working on this then that will work out great (I am just an apprentice
+</I>&gt;<i> with only 2 packages to date, so perhaps not the best person for that
+</I>&gt;<i> job).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To begin with, I planned to make a basic proof of concept Control
+</I>&gt;<i> Centre, so just simply a copy of the current main window of MCC but
+</I>&gt;<i> without any functionality, just to see it work across the widget sets.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then work on a single module to work out some standards and
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation, how to make it as easy as possible for others to come
+</I>&gt;<i> along and add a module.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand the desire to have everything in the one language (and
+</I>&gt;<i> the obvious choice is perl due to inertia), however I am not
+</I>&gt;<i> personally against individual modules being in python/perl/C++, the
+</I>&gt;<i> reason is that there are people who potentially would add a module but
+</I>&gt;<i> don't want to use a language they are not familiar with and would only
+</I>&gt;<i> use for that module and nothing else. So I guess I would like to give
+</I>&gt;<i> options so that entry to contribution is as easy as it can be. This
+</I>&gt;<i> all started for me when I looked into writing a module I wanted but
+</I>&gt;<i> found very little documentation, and realised it would be more work to
+</I>&gt;<i> make my module available in curses as well at gtk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as other contributors, I only have one willing to dive into
+</I>&gt;<i> code, but it is very convenient as we work together (We just finished
+</I>&gt;<i> setting up our new Mageia Cluster and so now are ready for more Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> goodness :-P ) so a very small group at the moment, but to be honest,
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that is probably a good thing in the early stages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I said, I have to get through this week at work first, a week of
+</I>&gt;<i> deadlines, but then I can start writing some more concrete plans, and
+</I>&gt;<i> start playing with the code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll make contact again in a few days when I am ready to get going.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tuxta
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 28/06/12 08:02, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposal[1] has been accepted[2] and has to be merged with mine[3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Il 13/06/2012 14:35, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This proposal may be a bit different to the several others you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have seen in that a lot of the heavy lifting has already been done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The Ui layer is provided by libYui and friends, and the logic is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already there in mcc. With the perl bindings to libYui the effort
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is no where near as large as a rewrite, which I imagine the several
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other proposals were. I would prefer it all to be written in C++,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but that would be more work than adapting the current perl code, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you see it's not just pie in the sky, I have actually put some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thought into it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In a first read i understood the idea was to provide a new gui
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> abstraction layer, and you told me the suggested libYui library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is written in C++ with some script bindings (one for all perl) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> since I'm not a perl programmer and i know C++ and QT (something on GTk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also) i could help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So should i assume you want to rewrite all?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Steven, can you please point me and other potential contributors
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to your plans?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Planning is also needed to our proposal to be definitely accepted :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't have a lot of spare time, but i will help as much as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Matteo Pasotti is adding libyui to mageia repository so we could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start using it, I do also believe he's going to help us as well :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let's start this new adventure...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [2] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [3] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : evolution Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relocatable) Version : 3.5.3.1 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mon Jul 2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Networking/Mail Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 12051792 License: LGPLv2+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>
+New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+
+Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+can do.
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+On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 18:15 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the wrong way to invoke gdb. You need:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And in the gdb prompt:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ r /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can also use a --command start-up flag for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Shlomi! Here's the results - I guess I need to open a formal bug
+now:
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+Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
+[Switching to Thread 0x7fffe8043700 (LWP 5147)]
+Perl_csighandler (sig=17, sip=&lt;optimized out&gt;, uap=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at
+mg.c:1381
+1381 (sig == SIGSEGV || (PL_signals &amp;
+PERL_SIGNALS_UNSAFE_FLAG)))
+(gdb) bt
+#0 Perl_csighandler (sig=17, sip=&lt;optimized out&gt;, uap=&lt;optimized out&gt;)
+at mg.c:1381
+#1 &lt;signal handler called&gt;
+#2 0x00007ffff6a8f378 in __GI___poll (fds=&lt;optimized out&gt;,
+nfds=&lt;optimized out&gt;, timeout=&lt;optimized out&gt;)
+ at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/poll.c:87
+#3 0x00007ffff2b06ef6 in ?? () from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+#4 0x00007ffff2b0735a in g_main_loop_run ()
+from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+#5 0x00007fffec67b4e6 in ?? () from /lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0
+#6 0x00007ffff2b28ac5 in ?? () from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+#7 0x00007ffff6d51c7d in start_thread (arg=0x7fffe8043700) at
+pthread_create.c:301
+#8 0x00007ffff6a97f4d in clone ()
+at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:112
+#9 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
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+&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 23:05, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+</I>&gt;<i> but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+</I>&gt;<i> the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+</I>&gt;<i> reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so we need to fix that dep first.
+</I>
+So we could add the suggests for mga2 and plan removal for mga3? (although if
+people report bugs against it, it means they use it... So maybe we should not
+remove it after all?)
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 02/07/12 08:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 1 juillet 2012 23:08:55 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 23:05, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so we need to fix that dep first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we could add the suggests for mga2 and plan removal for mga3? (although if
+</I>&gt;<i> people report bugs against it, it means they use it... So maybe we should not
+</I>&gt;<i> remove it after all?)
+</I>
+Well people using it is half the puzzle... people willing to maintain it
+is the other half! If someone steps up to maintain it, I'm sure we'd
+happily still include it!
+
+Col
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+On 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker wrote:
+&gt;<i> Okay, so as promised I am ready to start on MCC2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real
+</I>&gt;<i> code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll start writing out some formal plans, but I have been giving
+</I>&gt;<i> some thought to the code and am starting to form a general overview
+</I>&gt;<i> of how I think it could be coded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll report back once the perl binding arrive and I have some code
+</I>&gt;<i> and plans ready.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Steven
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi all,
+I had no much time to work on the perl binding for libyui during the
+past week.
+I was working on the libyui-ncurses package (-qt and -gtk are already
+available and working) but I encountered some difficulties and now
+Angelo is helping me so I can start to port libyui bindings.
+Regards
+- --
+Matteo
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+<PRE>On 07/02/2012 09:38 AM, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 1 juillet 2012 23:08:55 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 23:05, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so we need to fix that dep first.
+</I>&gt;<i> So we could add the suggests for mga2 and plan removal for mga3? (although if
+</I>&gt;<i> people report bugs against it, it means they use it... So maybe we should not
+</I>&gt;<i> remove it after all?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I am using it.
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> I use KDE under Cauldrun and Evolution - and Oxygen-gtk style - tried
+</I>&gt;<i> others but it got worse . . . how can I reset to &quot;default&quot; style for
+</I>&gt;<i> Evolution??
+</I>
+Please start it from Konsole and see if there are any warning or error
+messages shown.
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+<PRE>Le 02/07/2012 09:38, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 1 juillet 2012 23:08:55 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 01.07.2012 23:05, Jani V&#228;limaa skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01.07.2012 23:03, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about dropping the whole draksnapshot (starting from mga3)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was the intention for mga2 too, and removed it from the mirrors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but during rc/final testing we realized some of the drakx tools expected
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the code to be there in order to be rebuilt, so we had to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reintroduce the rpms to get mga2 out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so we need to fix that dep first.
+</I>&gt;<i> So we could add the suggests for mga2 and plan removal for mga3? (although if
+</I>&gt;<i> people report bugs against it, it means they use it... So maybe we should not
+</I>&gt;<i> remove it after all?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>Well since there is a direct entry in drakconf, I guess a lot of people
+click on it
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6326">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6326</A>
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+On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:05:46 +0200
+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 18:15 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's the wrong way to invoke gdb. You need:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And in the gdb prompt:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ r /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can also use a --command start-up flag for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Shlomi! Here's the results - I guess I need to open a formal bug
+</I>&gt;<i> now:
+</I>
+You're welcome. However, it seems that your stack trace is missing some debug
+packages. Please try to install them and to reproduce the stack trace again.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
+</I>&gt;<i> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffe8043700 (LWP 5147)]
+</I>&gt;<i> Perl_csighandler (sig=17, sip=&lt;optimized out&gt;, uap=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at
+</I>&gt;<i> mg.c:1381
+</I>&gt;<i> 1381 (sig == SIGSEGV || (PL_signals &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> PERL_SIGNALS_UNSAFE_FLAG)))
+</I>&gt;<i> (gdb) bt
+</I>&gt;<i> #0 Perl_csighandler (sig=17, sip=&lt;optimized out&gt;, uap=&lt;optimized out&gt;)
+</I>&gt;<i> at mg.c:1381
+</I>&gt;<i> #1 &lt;signal handler called&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> #2 0x00007ffff6a8f378 in __GI___poll (fds=&lt;optimized out&gt;,
+</I>&gt;<i> nfds=&lt;optimized out&gt;, timeout=&lt;optimized out&gt;)
+</I>&gt;<i> at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/poll.c:87
+</I>&gt;<i> #3 0x00007ffff2b06ef6 in ?? () from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #4 0x00007ffff2b0735a in g_main_loop_run ()
+</I>&gt;<i> from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #5 0x00007fffec67b4e6 in ?? () from /lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #6 0x00007ffff2b28ac5 in ?? () from /lib/../lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> #7 0x00007ffff6d51c7d in start_thread (arg=0x7fffe8043700) at
+</I>&gt;<i> pthread_create.c:301
+</I>&gt;<i> #8 0x00007ffff6a97f4d in clone ()
+</I>&gt;<i> at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:112
+</I>&gt;<i> #9 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Hugo Pereira Da Costa</B>
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+<PRE>On 07/02/2012 10:02 AM, Robert Fox wrote:
+&gt;<i> I use KDE under Cauldrun and Evolution - and Oxygen-gtk style - tried
+</I>&gt;<i> others but it got worse . . . how can I reset to &quot;default&quot; style for
+</I>&gt;<i> Evolution??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx,
+</I>&gt;<i> R.Fox
+</I>The screenshot is the result of a new 'feature' from gtk+-3.5 (wrt
+gtk+-3.4).
+
+I 'fixed' oxygen-gtk to look good with this change, but so far the fix
+is only in git master (the gk3 branch).
+
+See <A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk">https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk</A>
+
+you can give a shot at compiling it, its quite straightforward, I think:
+git clone -b gtk3 <A HREF="git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-gtk">git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-gtk</A>
+(and follow readme)
+
+In any case this will be released into oxygen-gtk3-1.1.0 in a couple of
+weeks.
+
+Hugo (oxygen dev)
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+<PRE>On 07/02/2012 11:48 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 10:02:25AM +0200, Robert Fox wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use KDE under Cauldrun and Evolution - and Oxygen-gtk style - tried
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> others but it got worse . . . how can I reset to &quot;default&quot; style for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Evolution??
+</I>&gt;<i> Please start it from Konsole and see if there are any warning or error
+</I>&gt;<i> messages shown.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Re-sending, not sure the first email made it:
+
+The screenshot is the result of a new 'feature' from gtk+-3.5 (wrt
+gtk+-3.4).
+
+I 'fixed' oxygen-gtk to look good with this change, but so far the fix
+is only in git master (the gk3 branch).
+
+See <A HREF="https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk">https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk</A>
+
+you can give a shot at compiling it, its quite straightforward, I think:
+git clone -b gtk3 <A HREF="git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-gtk">git://anongit.kde.org/oxygen-gtk</A>
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+In any case this will be released into oxygen-gtk3-1.1.0 in a couple of
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 08:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : evolution Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 3.5.3.1 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mon Jul 2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Networking/Mail Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 12051792 License: LGPLv2+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;<i> can do.
+</I>
+The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+
+I'm not sure of the process here.
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+Col
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+Il 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real
+</I>&gt;<i> code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron.
+</I>
+A little question here, libyui on sourceforge seems to be stopped at
+release 2.21.1 -about one year ago- and OpenSouse ships 2.21.4 but
+they call it as yast2-XXX, git repository does not have any way to
+build from source but using y2tool, i have a opensouse vm, so i could
+try to start from there, but is that the right way to move?
+I mean every time we have a new version we should have an opnesuse
+machine, or better we should understand if libyui is dead?
+
+Maybe forking a y2tool? I'm a bit confused
+
+Angelo
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 08:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : evolution Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 3.5.3.1 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mon Jul 2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Networking/Mail Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 12051792 License: LGPLv2+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+</I>&gt;<i> server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+</I>&gt;<i> likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+</I>
+Isn't this whole mess caused by violation of the library policy? The
+previous packages should have been called: lib(64)edataserverui3.0_1
+and the new ones lib(64)edataserveruit3.0_4 . So any obsoletes of
+'lib(64)edataserverui4' should not matter (and was likely added because of
+the same policy violation).
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 02/07/12 12:59 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 08:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : evolution Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 3.5.3.1 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mon Jul 2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Networking/Mail Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 12051792 License: LGPLv2+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this whole mess caused by violation of the library policy? The
+</I>&gt;<i> previous packages should have been called: lib(64)edataserverui3.0_1
+</I>&gt;<i> and the new ones lib(64)edataserveruit3.0_4 . So any obsoletes of
+</I>&gt;<i> 'lib(64)edataserverui4' should not matter (and was likely added because
+</I>&gt;<i> of the same policy violation).
+</I>
+Yup seems so.
+
+Col
+
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+
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 02/07/12 12:59 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 08:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Name : evolution Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; relocatable) Version : 3.5.3.1 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mon Jul 2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Networking/Mail Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 12051792 License: LGPLv2+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; can do.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't this whole mess caused by violation of the library policy? The
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; previous packages should have been called: lib(64)edataserverui3.0_1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and the new ones lib(64)edataserveruit3.0_4 . So any obsoletes of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'lib(64)edataserverui4' should not matter (and was likely added because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of the same policy violation).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup seems so.
+</I>
+Could someone fix the spec? Nobody maintains it atm.
+
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+Il 02/07/2012 13:23, Angelo Naselli ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi, Il 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A little question here, libyui on sourceforge seems to be stopped
+</I>&gt;<i> at release 2.21.1 -about one year ago- and OpenSouse ships 2.21.4
+</I>&gt;<i> but they call it as yast2-XXX, git repository does not have any way
+</I>&gt;<i> to build from source but using y2tool, i have a opensouse vm, so i
+</I>&gt;<i> could try to start from there, but is that the right way to move? I
+</I>&gt;<i> mean every time we have a new version we should have an opnesuse
+</I>&gt;<i> machine, or better we should understand if libyui is dead?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe forking a y2tool? I'm a bit confused
+</I>
+Maybe i was to quick... on github they are using cmake... i'll
+investigate a little bit better...
+
+Angelo
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Il 02/07/2012 04:24, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have had a play with libYui that is in Cauldron, so using C++,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to create a window and buttons. Ready to get going on the real
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; code, but waiting on the Perl bindings to hit Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A little question here, libyui on sourceforge seems to be stopped at
+</I>&gt;<i> release 2.21.1 -about one year ago- and OpenSouse ships 2.21.4 but
+</I>&gt;<i> they call it as yast2-XXX, git repository does not have any way to
+</I>&gt;<i> build from source but using y2tool, i have a opensouse vm, so i could
+</I>&gt;<i> try to start from there, but is that the right way to move?
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean every time we have a new version we should have an opnesuse
+</I>&gt;<i> machine, or better we should understand if libyui is dead?
+</I>
+It seems their intent is to make this library completly independent of
+Suse technologies :
+<A HREF="http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/">http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/</A>
+
+So it should build on non-OpenSUSE machine, and if it's not the case you
+can probably ask them for help.
+
+And their git repositories on github seems to have the latest versions
+tagged :
+<A HREF="https://github.com/libyui">https://github.com/libyui</A>
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+Il 02/07/2012 16:09, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> It seems their intent is to make this library completly independent
+</I>&gt;<i> of Suse technologies :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/">http://nbprashanth.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/libyui-ported/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it should build on non-OpenSUSE machine, and if it's not the
+</I>&gt;<i> case you can probably ask them for help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And their git repositories on github seems to have the latest
+</I>&gt;<i> versions tagged : <A HREF="https://github.com/libyui">https://github.com/libyui</A>
+</I>Yes Nicolas, i so github, master is not &quot;builtable&quot; yet at least not all
+and not for me at the moment, i'm trying to get in touch with
+developers...
+
+At the moment we built an old version of libyui-ncurses, at least we
+can start working on the project :)
+
+Angelo
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Robert,
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+please reply to the list.
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+On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:17:45 +0200
+Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 13:14 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Robert,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:05:46 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 18:15 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 14:55:25 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:46 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On 19 June 2012 16:01, Robert Fox &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">list at foxconsult.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So for some unexplained reason it segfaults and I have to start it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; That's the wrong way to invoke gdb. You need:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; $ gdb /usr/bin/perl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; And in the gdb prompt:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; $ r /usr/bin/net_applet
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; You can also use a --command start-up flag for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Thanks Shlomi! Here's the results - I guess I need to open a formal bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; now:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You're welcome. However, it seems that your stack trace is missing some debug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages. Please try to install them and to reproduce the stack trace again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello Shlomi - I installed what Thierry Vignaud suggested:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) install perl-debug glibc-debug perl-Glib-debug perl-Gtk2-debug
+</I>&gt;<i> gtk2.0-debug gdb
+</I>
+Looks fine.
+
+&gt;<i> 2) run &quot;gdb perl /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;
+</I>
+That's wrong - it should just be &quot;gdb perl&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> 3) type &quot;run&quot; to start it from the debuger
+</I>
+&quot;run /usr/bin/net_applet&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> 4) type &quot;bt&quot; to get a backstrace once it segfaulted
+</I>&gt;<i> 5) paste the backtrace in a text file you'll _attach_ to a bug report
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What am I missing??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't think you're missing anything. Don't know what the problem is, but
+maybe gdb does not load all the debug symbols. There's a related bug report
+about it here:
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3417">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3417</A>
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 13:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 01:05:40PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 02/07/12 12:59 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 02/07/12 08:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 01:07:39 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : evolution Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 3.5.3.1 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mon Jul 2 00:55:38 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Networking/Mail Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 12051792 License: LGPLv2+ Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed: lib64edataserverui4 is obsoleted by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (installed) lib64edataserverui1-3.4.3-1.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> New evolution-data-server should fix this (-4).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note: various evolution stuff doesn't build yet (-groupwise, -exchange,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> etc). No 3.5.3 version has been released for those yet, so not much I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The old library (lib[64]edataserverui1) will need to be nuked on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> server as it's obsoletes means that the current installation is borked,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> likely leading to problems building other stuff too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Isn't this whole mess caused by violation of the library policy? The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> previous packages should have been called: lib(64)edataserverui3.0_1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and the new ones lib(64)edataserveruit3.0_4 . So any obsoletes of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'lib(64)edataserverui4' should not matter (and was likely added because
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the same policy violation).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup seems so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could someone fix the spec? Nobody maintains it atm.
+</I>
+I think I've fixed this one now... Hopefully the upgrade goes smoothly!
+
+Col
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+Il 02/07/2012 10:09, Matteo ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi all, I had no much time to work on the perl binding for libyui
+</I>&gt;<i> during the past week. I was working on the libyui-ncurses package
+</I>&gt;<i> (-qt and -gtk are already available and working) but I encountered
+</I>&gt;<i> some difficulties and now Angelo is helping me so I can start to
+</I>&gt;<i> port libyui bindings. Regards
+</I>And they've been uploaded.
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+when i try to convert an image i get this error:
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+convert -scale '1600x900!' -filter lanczos wallpaper.png wallpaper_1600_900.png
+convert: symbol lookup error:
+/usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
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+<PRE>Le mardi 3 juillet 2012 00:25:48 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> when i try to convert an image i get this error:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> convert -scale '1600x900!' -filter lanczos wallpaper.png
+</I>&gt;<i> wallpaper_1600_900.png convert: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
+</I>&gt;<i> symbol: png_set_check_for_invalid_index
+</I>Imagemagick should probably be rebuild against your png library.
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 3 juillet 2012 00:25:48 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when i try to convert an image i get this error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> convert -scale '1600x900!' -filter lanczos wallpaper.png
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wallpaper_1600_900.png convert: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> symbol: png_set_check_for_invalid_index
+</I>&gt;<i> Imagemagick should probably be rebuild against your png library.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Im using mageia cauldron, i have no png package rebuilt.
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+$ rpm -q lib64png15_15 imagemagick
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+2012/7/3 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2012/7/3 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 3 juillet 2012 00:25:48 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> when i try to convert an image i get this error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> convert -scale '1600x900!' -filter lanczos wallpaper.png
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wallpaper_1600_900.png convert: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> symbol: png_set_check_for_invalid_index
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Imagemagick should probably be rebuild against your png library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Im using mageia cauldron, i have no png package rebuilt.
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012, Anne Nicolas wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to propose this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:RemoveUpgradeInstaller</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we are removing upgrade from installer, we can maybe replace it with
+</I>&gt;<i> something in mgaapplet to allow offline upgrades, similar to what is
+</I>&gt;<i> doing Fedora :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mgaapplet could have an option to :
+</I>&gt;<i> - download all updated packages
+</I>&gt;<i> - reboot the system in special system update mode
+</I>&gt;<i> - snapshot filesystems (optionally)
+</I>&gt;<i> - install all updated packages
+</I>&gt;<i> - reboot on the upgraded system, or restore snapshot if upgrade failed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+why don't you add this to that feature?
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>Il 25/06/2012 21:21, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find on this page the policy for selecting features :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have reviewed this morning with ennael all feature proposal submitted
+</I>&gt;<i> on the wiki. You can find the results on this page :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This page is a preliminary list of accepted and rejected features. Some
+</I>&gt;<i> features are interesting (or sometimes mandatory), but are missing
+</I>&gt;<i> details in the description or planning, or don't have enough people that
+</I>&gt;<i> listed themself as interested to participate on the feature. So this
+</I>&gt;<i> needs to be corrected for the features to be moved to accepted list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Planning is :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-06-25:
+</I>&gt;<i> publication of preliminary list of accepted features
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-06-25 to 2012-07-04:
+</I>&gt;<i> discussions about features on mailing lists and during IRC meeting
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-07-05:
+</I>&gt;<i> publication and communication on the final list of Mageia 3
+</I>&gt;<i> specifications
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So you can now read review of your features, and send comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> questions on this mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>On Tue, 03 Jul 2012, Marcello wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>
+&quot;Use checkboxes to choose the DE so it is possible to install more than
+one DE from a DVD edition, without using the custom package selection
+that results far more complicated for newbies&quot;
+
+newbies usually don't want to install more than one DE. And this would
+make the DE selection screen more complicated for people who only want
+one DE.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
+</I>
+Which screenshots are you talking about ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+</I>
+People who want more software can already run the package manager to
+install the packages they need. I'm not sure there is a lot of software
+that everybody wants to be installed that is not included on the livecd.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+</I>
+I don't think this needs a feature page, doc team is already working on
+some documentation. You can see with them if you want to participate in
+documentation.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and nicolas vigier at 03/07/12 12:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 03 Jul 2012, Marcello wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Use checkboxes to choose the DE so it is possible to install more than
+</I>&gt;<i> one DE from a DVD edition, without using the custom package selection
+</I>&gt;<i> that results far more complicated for newbies&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> newbies usually don't want to install more than one DE. And this would
+</I>&gt;<i> make the DE selection screen more complicated for people who only want
+</I>&gt;<i> one DE.
+</I>
+Is that true? Is there any actual data on that or is it just what you've
+noticed over the years? If I'm a newbie, wouldn't I want to try all the
+options and see which is best for me? Do I decide that I like KDE better
+than GNOME or GNOME better then $whatever before I install to try it?
+Wouldn't it be more seasoned users that have already made their choice
+that will be more likely to pick only one. Genuine question - it's very
+hard to make these things non-subjective :D
+
+
+One option to make the UI still work nicely would be having each of the
+DE's offered have a big, clickable button, but with a checkbox below it.
+Clicking on the button would uncheck all other checkboxes and check the
+current one and automatically proceed to the next stage. Otherwise,
+users can tick the boxes as needed and hit the &quot;Next&quot; button themselves.
+
+Just some idle thoughts :)
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+<PRE>Il 03/07/2012 13:25, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 03 Jul 2012, Marcello wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Use checkboxes to choose the DE so it is possible to install more than
+</I>&gt;<i> one DE from a DVD edition, without using the custom package selection
+</I>&gt;<i> that results far more complicated for newbies&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> newbies usually don't want to install more than one DE. And this would
+</I>&gt;<i> make the DE selection screen more complicated for people who only want
+</I>&gt;<i> one DE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i agree with the opinion of colin
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EditionBasedScreenshots</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which screenshots are you talking about ?
+</I>
+screenshots that are showed during the installation process.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People who want more software can already run the package manager to
+</I>&gt;<i> install the packages they need. I'm not sure there is a lot of software
+</I>&gt;<i> that everybody wants to be installed that is not included on the livecd.
+</I>
+i think that everyone would appreciate if the system proposes to install:
+- all the proprietary drivers your system needs
+- all the multimedia codecs necessary to play your films and music (if
+possible)
+- some must-have programs related some use cases (e.g. kdenlive,
+libreoffice) of the computer
+
+i'm thinking about propose to install them, not to force someone to
+install them).
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/NewbieHow-To</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think this needs a feature page, doc team is already working on
+</I>&gt;<i> some documentation. You can see with them if you want to participate in
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+if you see my mockup you'll understand that it is related only in a
+minor way to doc, but the important part of it is the fact that it's a
+simple plasmoid that it is by default placed in the desktop. the normal
+documentation is read only by a few people because they think is boring
+and too stressive. this is more simple, it uses the graphics and only
+explains how to use the key-feature of the distro.
+
+
+cheers
+Marcello
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 01:47:24PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Is that true? Is there any actual data on that or is it just what you've
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed over the years? If I'm a newbie, wouldn't I want to try all the
+</I>&gt;<i> options and see which is best for me? Do I decide that I like KDE better
+</I>&gt;<i> than GNOME or GNOME better then $whatever before I install to try it?
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be more seasoned users that have already made their choice
+</I>&gt;<i> that will be more likely to pick only one. Genuine question - it's very
+</I>&gt;<i> hard to make these things non-subjective :D
+</I>
+I just want the thing to install. For changes, people should be able to
+install more software once it is running. Furthermore, in GNOME the UI
+simplifies (should:P) if less options are available (e.g. if only 1 user
+exists on the system, don't show a switch user option; same for desktop
+session, etc).
+
+Yesterday I did an installation of Mageia 2 in a VM. At one point it
+asks me if I want to install updates, then it asks me 2 times more (the
+usual rpmdrake popups). IMO entirely unneeded. I already said it was
+fine; just do it already. I noticed more options which to me should just
+be done afterwards (e.g. you can even change which services are started;
+I'd just handle that via Puppet).
+
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>2012/7/3 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> What is your version of libpng and imagemagick?
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -q lib64png15_15 imagemagick
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/7/3 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/7/3 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 3 juillet 2012 00:25:48 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> when i try to convert an image i get this error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> convert -scale '1600x900!' -filter lanczos wallpaper.png
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wallpaper_1600_900.png convert: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/ImageMagick-6.7.8/modules-Q16/coders/png.so: undefined
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> symbol: png_set_check_for_invalid_index
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Imagemagick should probably be rebuild against your png library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Im using mageia cauldron, i have no png package rebuilt.
+</I>
+Now i saw that some libs werent updated, now is running ok, sorry for the noise.
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 3 juli 2012 13:47:24 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> One option to make the UI still work nicely would be having each of the
+</I>&gt;<i> DE's offered have a big, clickable button, but with a checkbox below it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Clicking on the button would uncheck all other checkboxes and check the
+</I>&gt;<i> current one and automatically proceed to the next stage. Otherwise,
+</I>&gt;<i> users can tick the boxes as needed and hit the &quot;Next&quot; button themselves.
+</I>
+I have no problems for this, but then which dm is being used? and can each dm
+load other DE's? imho, it calls for more things that can go wrong related to
+installing.
+
+but if someone does the work and maintain it, i have no problems with it,
+allthough personally, it's not high priority at all.
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 3 juli 2012 16:02:07 schreef Marcello:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/InstallMissingSoftware</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; People who want more software can already run the package manager to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; install the packages they need. I'm not sure there is a lot of software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that everybody wants to be installed that is not included on the livecd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i think that everyone would appreciate if the system proposes to install:
+</I>&gt;<i> - all the proprietary drivers your system needs
+</I>&gt;<i> - all the multimedia codecs necessary to play your films and music (if
+</I>&gt;<i> possible)
+</I>&gt;<i> - some must-have programs related some use cases (e.g. kdenlive,
+</I>&gt;<i> libreoffice) of the computer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm thinking about propose to install them, not to force someone to
+</I>&gt;<i> install them).
+</I>[...]
+
+I don't like too many questions/popups, and i'd prefer this to be handled
+differently, with choosing the right iso (installation method) for you.
+
+I'd rather this be talked after we decided what kind of iso's we're gonna have
+and which not.
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+
+Please help out with these where you can.
+
+I'll try to organize these into categories and give a little info on them so it's easy to see if you can and want to help.
+
+Web apps
+--------
+mediawiki - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated. Several security issues are present.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+
+dokuwiki - needs updated to 2012-01-25a version, already in Cauldron. Cauldron package does have a bug that needs fixing.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480</A>
+
+wordpress - needs updated to 3.4.1, also QA has found some bugs in the current package.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065</A>
+
+viewvc - needs updated to 1.1.15
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6551">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6551</A>
+
+ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+
+drupal - update built, issues found by QA need fixing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844</A>
+
+
+GNOME software
+--------------
+libgdata - update needed for Mageia 1, may require patch or upgrade to libsoup
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330</A>
+
+libvirt - patch available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526</A>
+
+vte - patch available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161</A>
+
+gjs - doesn't rebuild against xulrunner in Mageia 1, but doesn't seem to be used by anything
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382</A>
+
+
+Games
+-----
+ioquake3, openarena, urbanterror, alienarena - affected by DoS bug in quake3 engine
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496</A>
+
+
+Java-related
+------------
+poi - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011</A>
+apache-commons-compress - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331</A>
+spring2 - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625</A>
+eclipse - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6611">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6611</A>
+avalon-framework - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4524">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4524</A>
+jsr-305 - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4525</A>
+
+
+Ruby-related
+------------
+Several security issues, at least one packaging issue, and an rpm issue
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487</A>
+<A HREF="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/16419/match=ruby">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/16419/match=ruby</A>
+
+
+No response has been received from packagers yet
+------------------------------------------------
+graphicsmagick - needs updated to 1.3.16 or patch backported, upstream patch linked in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561</A>
+
+python-httplib2 - possible basis for patch (based on patch from SuSE) available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6568">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6568</A>
+
+openconnect - needs updated to at least 3.18 or patched (upstream patch linked in bug), possible bug also found by user
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6504">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6504</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6627">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6627</A>
+
+dropbear - Debian and upstream patches differ, no response received from upstream either. Patch proposed.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611</A>
+
+busybox - link to upstream patch available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673</A>
+
+gc - links to upstream and Fedora patches available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652</A>
+
+abrt/libreport/btparser - should probably be upgraded to newer versions available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523</A>
+
+sos - 62 patches available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525</A>
+
+v8 - might need to be updated to newer version
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679</A>
+
+php-ZendFramework - patches available from Debian
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6666">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6666</A>
+
+
+In progress (help needed to finish)
+-----------------------------------
+sympa - update needs to be built for Mageia 2, issues have been found by QA that need fixed
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+
+groff - several scripts apparently need moved from main package to groff-perl (whose description needs rewritten or rethought), security issue already patched
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379</A>
+
+python - update for Mageia 2 built, update for Mageia 1 still needed (patches possibly available from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
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+cifs-utils/samba - cifs-utils is actually already done, patch needs applied to Samba as well
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5714">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5714</A>
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+gajim - there is a requires or suggests missing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</A>
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+<PRE>I missed one in my last e-mail. This one is in progress, but I need help.
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+Something is broken in Cauldron and apache-mod_security will no longer build there.
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+Update for Mageia 2 is in SVN and ready to go once this is fixed.
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+For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
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+For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here is a small HOWTO about using OpenSSL with Mageia Cauldron applications
+</I>&gt;<i> that broke with the new version of the &quot;openssl&quot; package (1.0.1), such as svn
+</I>&gt;<i> with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> URLs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Download openssl-1.0.0j.tar.gz from:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.openssl.org/source/">http://www.openssl.org/source/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Unpack it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Use the following shell script to configure it (you can customise the
+</I>&gt;<i> ossl_pref prefix to your liking:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i> #!/bin/bash
+</I>&gt;<i> ossl_pref=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> ./config --prefix=&quot;$ossl_pref&quot; --openssldir=&quot;$ossl_pref/openssl&quot; shared
+</I>&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is more coverage of this here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl">http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Add the following lines to your .bashrc:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i> oldssl()
+</I>&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;<i> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl/lib/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. Now when you want to use svn with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> or whatever just type &quot;oldssl&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've tried to fix svn in Cauldron, but rebuilding it didn't help, and trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuild libneon0.27 caused &quot;%check&quot; to fail. This was reported here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html">http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I am not on the ML so can't reply to the thread but debug.log seems to
+be the interesting one:
+
+******* Running test 18: client_cert_pkcs12 ********
+HTTP session to <A HREF="https://localhost:7777">https://localhost:7777</A> begins.
+ssl: SNI enabled by default.
+ssl: Match common name 'ignored.example.com' against ''
+Identity match for '': bad
+ssl: Match common name 'nowhere.example.com' against ''
+Identity match for '': bad
+Running pre_send hooks
+Sending request headers:
+GET /foo HTTP/1.1^M
+Keep-Alive: ^M
+Connection: TE, Keep-Alive^M
+TE: trailers^M
+Host: localhost:7777^M
+^M
+Sending request-line and headers:
+Doing DNS lookup on localhost...
+req: Connecting to 127.0.0.1:7777
+Doing SSL negotiation.
+Supplying client certificate.
+sess: Closing connection.
+sess: Connection closed.
+Request ends, status 0 class 0xx, error line:
+SSL handshake failed: SSL error: digest too big for rsa key
+Running destroy hooks.
+Request ends.
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here is a small HOWTO about using OpenSSL with Mageia Cauldron applications
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that broke with the new version of the &quot;openssl&quot; package (1.0.1), such as svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> URLs:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Download openssl-1.0.0j.tar.gz from:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.openssl.org/source/">http://www.openssl.org/source/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Unpack it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Use the following shell script to configure it (you can customise the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ossl_pref prefix to your liking:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #!/bin/bash
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ossl_pref=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ./config --prefix=&quot;$ossl_pref&quot; --openssldir=&quot;$ossl_pref/openssl&quot; shared
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is more coverage of this here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl">http://www.devside.net/guides/linux/openssl</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4. Add the following lines to your .bashrc:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> oldssl()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=&quot;$HOME/apps/openssl/lib/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5. Now when you want to use svn with <A HREF="https://">https://</A> or whatever just type &quot;oldssl&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've tried to fix svn in Cauldron, but rebuilding it didn't help, and trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rebuild libneon0.27 caused &quot;%check&quot; to fail. This was reported here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html">http://lists.manyfish.co.uk/pipermail/neon/2012-June/001473.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not on the ML so can't reply to the thread but debug.log seems to
+</I>&gt;<i> be the interesting one:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ******* Running test 18: client_cert_pkcs12 ********
+</I>&gt;<i> HTTP session to <A HREF="https://localhost:7777">https://localhost:7777</A> begins.
+</I>&gt;<i> ssl: SNI enabled by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> ssl: Match common name 'ignored.example.com' against ''
+</I>&gt;<i> Identity match for '': bad
+</I>&gt;<i> ssl: Match common name 'nowhere.example.com' against ''
+</I>&gt;<i> Identity match for '': bad
+</I>&gt;<i> Running pre_send hooks
+</I>&gt;<i> Sending request headers:
+</I>&gt;<i> GET /foo HTTP/1.1^M
+</I>&gt;<i> Keep-Alive: ^M
+</I>&gt;<i> Connection: TE, Keep-Alive^M
+</I>&gt;<i> TE: trailers^M
+</I>&gt;<i> Host: localhost:7777^M
+</I>&gt;<i> ^M
+</I>&gt;<i> Sending request-line and headers:
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing DNS lookup on localhost...
+</I>&gt;<i> req: Connecting to 127.0.0.1:7777
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing SSL negotiation.
+</I>&gt;<i> Supplying client certificate.
+</I>&gt;<i> sess: Closing connection.
+</I>&gt;<i> sess: Connection closed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Request ends, status 0 class 0xx, error line:
+</I>&gt;<i> SSL handshake failed: SSL error: digest too big for rsa key
+</I>&gt;<i> Running destroy hooks.
+</I>&gt;<i> Request ends.
+</I>
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+On 03/07/12 19:34, AL13N wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i think that everyone would appreciate if the system proposes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to install: - all the proprietary drivers your system needs -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> all the multimedia codecs necessary to play your films and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> music (if possible) - some must-have programs related some use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cases (e.g. kdenlive, libreoffice) of the computer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i'm thinking about propose to install them, not to force
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> someone to install them).
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't like too many questions/popups, and i'd prefer this to be
+</I>&gt;<i> handled differently, with choosing the right iso (installation
+</I>&gt;<i> method) for you.
+</I>
+Can I add a user perspective? I think that even proposing to add
+proprietary drivers will alienate some people, and it's probably not
+in Mageia's interest either. Instead, I have another proposal.
+
+When the installation reaches the point where it has traditionally
+asked if you want to update the packages, instead, have a paused page
+which says that Mageia recommends immediate update, which can be done
+through Mageia Control Center. It should also say that if proprietary
+drivers or codecs are needed, the following sources should be enabled:
+xxx (could be worded to include other non-core packages).
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+FWIW, I never expect the during-install update to work. I think it
+was my cauldron install where it did work, and no-one was more
+surprised than I was :-) I do believe it's the first time I've seen
+it work in all the years I've been using this or related distros :-D
+I suspect that it's fairly rare that the internet connection is
+working in time for success.
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+On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:56:18 -0700
+Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sess: Connection closed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Request ends, status 0 class 0xx, error line:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Running destroy hooks.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Request ends.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, <A HREF="https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/2991">https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/2991</A>
+</I>
+Thanks! libneon's maintainer gave me a patch based on that, and I've now
+included it in libneon's Cauldron package, which fixed Subversion's <A HREF="https://">https://</A>
+support here.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+Could someone please tell me what to look for, and where, to solve
+this puzzle?
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+- --------------------- iptables firewall Begin ------------------------
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+ Listed by source hosts:
+ Dropped 9 packets on interface eth0
+ From 192.168.0.40 - 9 packets to tcp(38575)
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+ ---------------------- iptables firewall End -------------------------
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+The machine in question is my mail/file/print server, running a
+secondary firewall inside the NAT router. Port 38575 appears to be
+unassigned, and I've only seen such messages for the last couple of days.
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+I'm pretty sure that the server hasn't been _directly_ used, i.e. with
+login to actual physical box, during that time, so the likelihood
+seems to be some service other systems on the LAN are calling for
+something.
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+Any ideas about how to go about tracing this? I can't find it in any
+of the logs on the server. I'm working on the logs on the laptops.
+
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+Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/</A>
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+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/</A>
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+Col
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 03 July 2012 16:02, Marcello wrote:
+&gt;<i> i think that everyone would appreciate if the system proposes to install:
+</I>&gt;<i> - all the proprietary drivers your system needs
+</I>
+Then we should start shipping non-free DVDs, so that those of us who doesn't wish to use or have anything to do with proprietary drivers can easily avoid it.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.1929/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+available:
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+# ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+|<i> wc -l
+</I>42
+# ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+|<i> wc -l
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+ <B>Stefan Wilhelm</B>
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+I know my proposal for Mageia3 was late - maybe too late. Sorry for that.
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+[ ] interesting but it seems nobody is willing to jump into this
+[ ] interesting but we don&#180;t have the manpower to do this
+[ ] nobody is interested in a tool like that
+[ ] Quickformat is senseless so it is denied
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could someone please tell me what to look for, and where, to solve
+</I>&gt;<i> this puzzle?
+</I>
+Where do this message come from? I have never seen any such messages
+for iptables drops.
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+&gt;<i> - --------------------- iptables firewall Begin ------------------------
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Listed by source hosts:
+</I>&gt;<i> Dropped 9 packets on interface eth0
+</I>&gt;<i> From 192.168.0.40 - 9 packets to tcp(38575)
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+</I>&gt;<i> ---------------------- iptables firewall End -------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The machine in question is my mail/file/print server, running a
+</I>&gt;<i> secondary firewall inside the NAT router. Port 38575 appears to be
+</I>&gt;<i> unassigned, and I've only seen such messages for the last couple of days.
+</I>
+Which machine in question? The one displaying this message or 192.168.0.40?
+
+&gt;<i> I'm pretty sure that the server hasn't been _directly_ used, i.e. with
+</I>&gt;<i> login to actual physical box, during that time, so the likelihood
+</I>&gt;<i> seems to be some service other systems on the LAN are calling for
+</I>&gt;<i> something.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas about how to go about tracing this? I can't find it in any
+</I>&gt;<i> of the logs on the server. I'm working on the logs on the laptops.
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, Stefan Wilhelm wrote:
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+&gt;<i> HI everybody! :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As suggested in the Mageia wiki here is an email to make some advertising
+</I>&gt;<i> for my feature request for Cauldron3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before Mageia I was using Pardus and in the last version there was a very
+</I>&gt;<i> handy tool introduced: Quickformat
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it is possible to implement this handy tool into Mageia although it
+</I>&gt;<i> is not longer maintained.
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO those little tools help to break the edges and proof that is is
+</I>&gt;<i> created not only with brain, also with heart.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe You have to remove some specific pardus code but is should not be a
+</I>&gt;<i> big deal for an expert. :o)
+</I>
+If this tool is no longer maintained, I think it needs someone who wants
+to be the maintainer of this software, and setup a code repository
+somewhere.
+
+Do you know why the upstream developers did not continue maintaining it ?
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> For mine, it was obvious without explicitly listing it, and the comment here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> makes it pretty clear it was obvious. Regardless, I have added it now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So what is still missing is someone to implement the drakx changes ? Or
+</I>&gt;<i> you think you can do that part too ?
+</I>
+Whoa, this is crazy. You expect that to be fully filled out in the first pass of proposals? That
+doesn't make any sense.
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+Let's just say for example, there's a developer who would be implicated in 25 proposals that are
+submitted. 25 is too many for them to commit to implementing, though they would be interested in
+helping with which ever ones are accepted. So they either have to 1) not sign up for any of them
+because there's too many or 2) sign up for all of them, expecting only 10 or so will be accepted,
+which would be manageable for them, but if more are accepted, then what?
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+This should be a two pass process. First proposals are submitted, then once you make the
+determination of which ones look good enough to be conditionally accepted, then people can sign up
+as &quot;resources&quot; to commit to helping implement ones from that smaller set. I had also assumed this
+is how it would work (it's really the only reasonable way).
+
+For the record, I may be able to do the DrakX code changes if I know which part of the code to look
+at. It's possible someone else may be interested in helping too, but I wouldn't expect anyone else
+to commit to that just yet.
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+<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+Hash: SHA1
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+On 04/07/12 15:42, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:07 AM, Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could someone please tell me what to look for, and where, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solve this puzzle?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where do this message come from? I have never seen any such
+</I>&gt;<i> messages for iptables drops.
+</I>
+I run logwatch, which is where I found this report.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - --------------------- iptables firewall Begin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Listed by source hosts: Dropped 9 packets on interface eth0 From
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 192.168.0.40 - 9 packets to tcp(38575)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ---------------------- iptables firewall End
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The machine in question is my mail/file/print server, running a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> secondary firewall inside the NAT router. Port 38575 appears to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be unassigned, and I've only seen such messages for the last
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> couple of days.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which machine in question? The one displaying this message or
+</I>&gt;<i> 192.168.0.40?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>192.168.0.40 is the mail/file/print server, running Scientific Linux
+6.2. Come to think of it, it sounds as though this laptop (Tosh) is
+reporting that the server is sending packets on 38575 to Tosh. I've
+been through the main logs on the server, though, and can't find
+anything significant, which is why I'm feeling a bit stuck.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I'm pretty sure that the server hasn't been _directly_ used, i.e.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with login to actual physical box, during that time, so the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> likelihood seems to be some service other systems on the LAN are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> calling for something.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any ideas about how to go about tracing this? I can't find it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any of the logs on the server. I'm working on the logs on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> laptops.
+</I>
+Anne
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+<PRE>On Wed, 04 Jul 2012, David Walser wrote:
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For mine, it was obvious without explicitly listing it, and the comment here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; makes it pretty clear it was obvious. Regardless, I have added it now:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:ChronyDefaultNTP</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So what is still missing is someone to implement the drakx changes ? Or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you think you can do that part too ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whoa, this is crazy. You expect that to be fully filled out in the first pass of proposals? That
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't make any sense.
+</I>
+No, that's why there is a second pass.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's just say for example, there's a developer who would be implicated in 25 proposals that are
+</I>&gt;<i> submitted. 25 is too many for them to commit to implementing, though they would be interested in
+</I>&gt;<i> helping with which ever ones are accepted. So they either have to 1) not sign up for any of them
+</I>&gt;<i> because there's too many or 2) sign up for all of them, expecting only 10 or so will be accepted,
+</I>&gt;<i> which would be manageable for them, but if more are accepted, then what?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This should be a two pass process. First proposals are submitted, then once you make the
+</I>&gt;<i> determination of which ones look good enough to be conditionally accepted, then people can sign up
+</I>&gt;<i> as &quot;resources&quot; to commit to helping implement ones from that smaller set. I had also assumed this
+</I>&gt;<i> is how it would work (it's really the only reasonable way).
+</I>
+This is already how it works, if you read features policy page :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy#Features_acceptance</A>
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+Features which have been listed in status &quot;Resource needed&quot; need to have
+people sign up as resources.
+
+&gt;<i> For the record, I may be able to do the DrakX code changes if I know which part of the code to look
+</I>&gt;<i> at. It's possible someone else may be interested in helping too, but I wouldn't expect anyone else
+</I>&gt;<i> to commit to that just yet.
+</I>
+Then you should list yourself as doing the DrakX code changes.
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+<PRE>Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then check your /etc/pam.d/system-auth (or /etc/pam.d/sshd which should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> include system-auth).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The system-auth we ship includes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -session optional pam_systemd.so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My system-auth is pushed via puppet to setup ldap authentication.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So at time I'll add this to sshd pam config file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how other sys admin does to automated setup of their servers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>
+/etc/pam.d/system-auth is modified by msec, so on upgrades it's usually installed as a .rpmnew file,
+so if there are some needed changes there, they won't be picked up immediately.
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+<PRE>On Tue, 03 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and nicolas vigier at 03/07/12 12:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 03 Jul 2012, Marcello wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i've revised all my whish list. if you need more info, my ideas are these:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/CheckboxesToChooseDE</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Use checkboxes to choose the DE so it is possible to install more than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; one DE from a DVD edition, without using the custom package selection
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that results far more complicated for newbies&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; newbies usually don't want to install more than one DE. And this would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make the DE selection screen more complicated for people who only want
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; one DE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that true? Is there any actual data on that or is it just what you've
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed over the years? If I'm a newbie, wouldn't I want to try all the
+</I>&gt;<i> options and see which is best for me? Do I decide that I like KDE better
+</I>&gt;<i> than GNOME or GNOME better then $whatever before I install to try it?
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be more seasoned users that have already made their choice
+</I>&gt;<i> that will be more likely to pick only one. Genuine question - it's very
+</I>&gt;<i> hard to make these things non-subjective :D
+</I>
+It's not based on any actual data. But I think people who install both
+DE is not the majority. The goal of this screen is to be as simple as
+possible, but people who want less simple package selection can still
+select &quot;Custom&quot; mode.
+
+The screen currently looks like this :
+<A HREF="http://doc.mageia.org/content/images/dx2-chooseDesktop.png">http://doc.mageia.org/content/images/dx2-chooseDesktop.png</A>
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+If we replace KDE and Gnome with check boxes, we still need the Custom
+one to disable KDE and Gnome boxes. So I think it will make a more
+complicate screen, for no clear benefits because it's already possible
+to install more than one DE by selectiong custom mode.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192</A>
+9/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+</I>&gt;<i> available:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;<i> 42
+</I>&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;<i> 20
+</I>
+Yes, either a sysadmin could delete everything that was built from the qt4 SRPM in updates_testing
+or the subrel could be bumped, then qt4 could be rebuilt and it should be fine. It'd be nice to
+know why these packages disappeared though. It's not the first time something like this has
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+<PRE>I'm not going to update this thread every day or anything, but I just wanted to consolidate the
+three threads I made, and update this based on the initial flurry of activity it created. Thanks.
+
+......... updated initial message below ........
+
+There are several packages that need security updates that either have not been built yet, or there
+are some issues that need help and/or input from packagers.
+
+Please help out with these where you can.
+
+I'll try to organize these into categories and give a little info on them so it's easy to see if
+you can and want to help.
+
+Web apps
+--------
+mediawiki - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated. Several
+security issues are present.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+
+dokuwiki - needs updated to 2012-01-25a version, already in Cauldron. Cauldron package does have a
+bug that needs fixing.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480</A>
+
+wordpress - needs updated to 3.4.1, also QA has found some bugs in the current package.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065</A>
+
+viewvc - needs updated to 1.1.15
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6551">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6551</A>
+
+ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+
+drupal - update built, issues found by QA need fixing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844</A>
+
+
+GNOME software
+--------------
+libgdata - update needed for Mageia 1, may require patch or upgrade to libsoup
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330</A>
+
+libvirt - patch available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526</A>
+
+vte - patch available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161</A>
+
+gjs - doesn't rebuild against xulrunner in Mageia 1, but doesn't seem to be used by anything
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382</A>
+
+
+Games
+-----
+ioquake3, openarena, urbanterror, alienarena - affected by DoS bug in quake3 engine
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496</A>
+
+
+Java-related
+------------
+poi - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011</A>
+apache-commons-compress - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331</A>
+spring2 - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625</A>
+eclipse - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6611">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6611</A>
+
+
+Ruby-related
+------------
+Several security issues, at least one packaging issue, and an rpm issue
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487</A>
+<A HREF="http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/16419/match=ruby">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/16419/match=ruby</A>
+
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+No response has been received from packagers yet
+------------------------------------------------
+avidemux/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg - should be able to borrow patches from mplayer for mga1 (ffmpeg git
+for mga2)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+
+graphicsmagick - needs updated to 1.3.16 or patch backported, upstream patch linked in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561</A>
+
+python-httplib2 - possible basis for patch (based on patch from SuSE) available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6568">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6568</A>
+
+openconnect - needs updated to at least 3.18 or patched (upstream patch linked in bug), possible
+bug also found by user
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6504">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6504</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6627">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6627</A>
+
+dropbear - Debian and upstream patches differ, no response received from upstream either. Patch
+proposed.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611</A>
+
+busybox - link to upstream patch available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673</A>
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+gc - links to upstream and Fedora patches available in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652</A>
+
+abrt/libreport/btparser - should probably be upgraded to newer versions available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523</A>
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+sos - 62 patches available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525</A>
+
+v8 - might need to be updated to newer version
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679</A>
+
+php-ZendFramework - patches available from Debian
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6666">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6666</A>
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+In progress (help needed to finish)
+-----------------------------------
+sympa - update needs to be built for Mageia 2, issues have been found by QA that need fixed
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
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+apache-mod_security - update is in SVN in Cauldron and Mageia 2, but won't build in Cauldron
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6678">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6678</A>
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+krb5 - update built, but some issues found by QA need fixing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
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+groff - several scripts apparently need moved from main package to groff-perl (whose description
+needs rewritten or rethought), security issue already patched
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6379</A>
+
+python - update for Mageia 2 built, update for Mageia 1 still needed (patches possibly available
+from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5843</A>
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+cifs-utils/samba - cifs-utils is actually already done, patch needs applied to Samba as well
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5714">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5714</A>
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+gajim - there is a requires or suggests missing
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5432</A>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 9/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 42
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 20
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, either a sysadmin could delete everything that was built from the qt4 SRPM in updates_testing
+</I>&gt;<i> or the subrel could be bumped, then qt4 could be rebuilt and it should be fine. It'd be nice to
+</I>&gt;<i> know why these packages disappeared though. It's not the first time something like this has
+</I>&gt;<i> happened.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+no we need to find why it fails. i resubmited and twice with the same result.
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+&gt;<i> Name : python-gobject3 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.3.3.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Jul 3 23:33:08 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Development/Python Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 591854 License: LGPLv2+ and MIT
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : kamil &lt;kamil&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org">http://www.gnome.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Python bindings for GObject Introspection
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The python-gobject3 package provides a convenient wrapper for the GObject library
+</I>&gt;<i> for use in Python programs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kamil &lt;kamil&gt; 3.3.3.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 267105
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 3.3.3.1
+</I>&gt;<i> - remove P0 (not used anymore)
+</I>&gt;<i> - new P0 pygobject-3.3.3.1-fix-segfault-with-class-interface-mismatch.patch from Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Could it be possible to also build python3 version of python-gi? New
+version of one sw I'm using needs it..
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+<PRE>Le 04/07/2012 17:53, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, Stefan Wilhelm wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> HI everybody! :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As suggested in the Mageia wiki here is an email to make some advertising
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for my feature request for Cauldron3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before Mageia I was using Pardus and in the last version there was a very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> handy tool introduced: Quickformat
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it is possible to implement this handy tool into Mageia although it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is not longer maintained.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO those little tools help to break the edges and proof that is is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> created not only with brain, also with heart.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe You have to remove some specific pardus code but is should not be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> big deal for an expert. :o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If this tool is no longer maintained, I think it needs someone who wants
+</I>&gt;<i> to be the maintainer of this software, and setup a code repository
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you know why the upstream developers did not continue maintaining it ?
+</I>So basically, you want someone else to take the duty of porting some
+unmaintained code you're the only one interested in ? Why not volonteer
+to do the work directly ?
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+Program complexity grows until it exceeds the capabilities of the
+programmer who must maintain it.
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> Features which have been listed in status &quot;Resource needed&quot; need to have
+</I>&gt;<i> people sign up as resources.
+</I>
+OK, that's good, but it totally wasn't clear. Most (or all?) of the ones that have that status
+didn't have the Resources section at all, so I thought that's all that meant.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> For the record, I may be able to do the DrakX code changes if I know which part of the code to
+</I>look
+&gt;&gt;<i> at. It's possible someone else may be interested in helping too, but I wouldn't expect anyone
+</I>else
+&gt;&gt;<i> to commit to that just yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you should list yourself as doing the DrakX code changes.
+</I>
+Then nobody will help :o)
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 4 juli 2012 15:44:51 schreef nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A meeting is planned tonight on #mageia-dev at 19 UTC.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Topics for the meeting :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 Features review
+</I>&gt;<i> - Stable updates and regression testing policy (discussion with QA team)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update on ARM build system
+</I>&gt;<i> - Security bugs review (with Luigi)
+</I>
+would it be possible to have a weekly follow up on backport progress? just to
+get progress and a responsible person for each small part that has to be done.
+
+i'd like to have responsible persons for the following things that need to be
+done.
+
+1. QA needs to make updated backport process (Stormi)
+2. mailing list for backport announce (???)
+3. add warning when activating backports in drakrpm-edit-media for mga1 and
+mga2 as updates, this needs to have a checkbox that it doesn't warn anymore.
+(???)
+4. we need to ensure the upgrade works even if it fails for the installed
+backported packages. The user could be warned when this happens (???)
+5. bug 2317 MUST be fixed before backports are opened (???)
+6. we need to add support for automatic updates of installed backports either
+in mgaapplet, or a new one. (???)
+7. sysadmin will likely need to open things up (???)
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+<PRE>D.Morgan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM, David Walser
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192</A>
+&gt;&gt;<i> 9/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> available:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 42
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 20
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, either a sysadmin could delete everything that was built from the qt4 SRPM in
+</I>updates_testing
+&gt;&gt;<i> or the subrel could be bumped, then qt4 could be rebuilt and it should be fine. It'd be nice to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know why these packages disappeared though. It's not the first time something like this has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> happened.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no we need to find why it fails. i resubmited and twice with the same result.
+</I>
+When? I don't remember seeing it on <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 4 juli 2012 13:45:33 schreef David Walser:
+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Features which have been listed in status &quot;Resource needed&quot; need to have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people sign up as resources.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, that's good, but it totally wasn't clear. Most (or all?) of the ones
+</I>&gt;<i> that have that status didn't have the Resources section at all, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> thought that's all that meant.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For the record, I may be able to do the DrakX code changes if I know
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which part of the code to
+</I>&gt;<i> look
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; at. It's possible someone else may be interested in helping too, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wouldn't expect anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> else
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to commit to that just yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then you should list yourself as doing the DrakX code changes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then nobody will help :o)
+</I>
+i would hope not, i want to commit myself to some features, but i also need a
+hand in DrakX code...
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+<PRE>On 04/07/12 18:47, AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 4 juli 2012 15:44:51 schreef nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A meeting is planned tonight on #mageia-dev at 19 UTC.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Topics for the meeting :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Mageia 3 Features review
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Stable updates and regression testing policy (discussion with QA team)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Update on ARM build system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Security bugs review (with Luigi)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> would it be possible to have a weekly follow up on backport progress? just to
+</I>&gt;<i> get progress and a responsible person for each small part that has to be done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'd like to have responsible persons for the following things that need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. QA needs to make updated backport process (Stormi)
+</I>
+We did discuss this in our meeting last week and agreed several things,
+the policy was not updated though as yet.
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+We'll revisit it tomorrow as Stormi was not available last week and get
+something written down.
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i>If this tool is no longer maintained, I think it needs someone who wants
+</I>to be the maintainer of this software, and setup a code repository
+somewhere.
+Maintainer is a biiiig word. It is based on Python 2.7, the code is very
+small and lightweight so it should not be a big effort for an experianced
+programmer.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>Do you know why the upstream developers did not continue maintaining it ?
+</I>
+It seems that the initial developer was a Pardus Linux developer.
+Unfortunately the Pardus project is stopped and all developers left the
+department. This is imho the main reason.
+Unfortunately all Pardus technologies depends on other Pardus related
+technics like Comar and maybe murdur. If anybody will remove these code
+snippets then it should run anywhere. Im not a programmer but I had some
+look into the code base and for a professional it should be not be a hard
+thing to do.
+
+This little tool is really handy and imho it is too nice and helpful to let
+it die. It would fit into Mageia perfectly and should help to make mageia
+more userfriendly for beginners.
+
+btw.... thanks for Your kind reply
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+ <B>John Balcaen</B>
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+<PRE>2012/7/4 David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:14 PM, David Walser
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D.Morgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please look at qt problems on mga2 updates_testing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/2/core/updates_testing/20120704111422.colin.valstar.192</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 9/log/mumble-1.2.3-2.2.2.mga2/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i see the same pb with and in mageia 2 updates_testing no all rpms are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> available:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/x86_64/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 42
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # ls /distrib/bootstrap/distrib/2/i586/media/core/updates_testing/*-4.8.2-1.1.mga2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> | wc -l
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 20
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, either a sysadmin could delete everything that was built from the qt4 SRPM in
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or the subrel could be bumped, then qt4 could be rebuilt and it should be fine. It'd be nice to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> know why these packages disappeared though. It's not the first time something like this has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happened.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no we need to find why it fails. i resubmited and twice with the same result.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When? I don't remember seeing it on <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'll push again Qt tonight (local time for me) however could you wait
+a little bit there's a patch fixing a bug in Qt affecting text layout.
+
+Regards,
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+--
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> &gt; 1. QA needs to make updated backport process (Stormi)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We did discuss this in our meeting last week and agreed several things,
+</I>&gt;<i> the policy was not updated though as yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We'll revisit it tomorrow as Stormi was not available last week and get
+</I>&gt;<i> something written down.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>
+no problem, i just want for each point someone to be responsible, and to ask
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+ <B>Stefan Wilhelm</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>So basically, you want someone else to take the duty of porting some
+</I>unmaintained code you're the only one interested in ? Why not volonteer
+to do the work directly ?
+
+Hmmmm, I understand what You mean. My request seems to sound rude. Im
+not sure if Iam the only one who is interested in that tool. When I
+was beginning to work with Linux I was not sure how to format an
+external device. Of course now I know it but for beginners this tool
+would be very helpful and handy.
+
+Honestly I would love to do the rework by myself. Unfortunately my
+skills are ending after some little packaging.
+
+Please dont blame me: this is only a proposal, a feature request. It
+is a suggestion how Mageia3 could be another step forward. If nobody
+agrees with that or we cant find anybody who is willing to help then
+it is okay for me.
+For me it is importand that I tried it.
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+<PRE>Le 04/07/2012 20:50, Stefan Wilhelm a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>So basically, you want someone else to take the duty of porting some
+</I>&gt;<i> unmaintained code you're the only one interested in ? Why not volonteer
+</I>&gt;<i> to do the work directly ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmmmm, I understand what You mean. My request seems to sound rude. Im not sure if Iam the only one who is interested in that tool. When I was beginning to work with Linux I was not sure how to format an external device. Of course now I know it but for beginners this tool would be very helpful and handy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Honestly I would love to do the rework by myself. Unfortunately my skills are ending after some little packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please dont blame me: this is only a proposal, a feature request. It is a suggestion how Mageia3 could be another step forward. If nobody agrees with that or we cant find anybody who is willing to help then it is okay for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me it is importand that I tried it.
+</I>My point was just than using the feature request submission process
+seems useless here. You don't need anyone else to agree to import a
+package into the distribution, you just need someone to do it. And if
+you don't, it's unlikely to happen...
+
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+ -- Murphy's Military Laws n&#176;101
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+Some features that were proposed are missing some people to implement
+the feature.
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+So please review the features, and if you find one that you think is
+interesting, where you think you can help, add yourself to the resources
+on the page :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault</A>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Backports_update_applet</A>
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DynamicPackageChoice">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DynamicPackageChoice</A>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Limit_number_of_installed_kernels</A>
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+You can see full list on this page :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/FeatureMageia3_Review</A>
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+<PRE>Le 04/07/2012 20:59, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DistinguishStatusOfNIC">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DistinguishStatusOfNIC</A>
+</I>Spending time improving a mageia-only network configuration tool,
+instead of focusing on shared tool such as networkmanager, seems a waste
+of time for me. Especially given the systemd-only target for mageia3, as
+drakx-net is mostly a sysinit network configuration files wizard.
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+&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>Nobody ?
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+<PRE>An issue has been raised while QA testing an update for krb5 for Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 about apparently incorrect paths in init scripts:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
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+Would the correct thing to do be to change /var/kerberos/krb5kdc to /etc/kerberos/krb5kdc as proposed in this patch to kadmin.init?:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff">https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff</A>
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+I also noticed a line in kprop.init that says:
+ [ -f /var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl ] || exit 6
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+Should that be changed as well?
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+Also, in krb5 in Cauldron, I similarly noticed the following...
+kadmin.service:
+ConditionPathExists=!/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
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+kprop.service:
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+I'll land the new systemd tomorrow if no one shouts.
+
+Thinks of note in this release are some changes to the ntp mechanism
+(time-sync.target will not currently start until I tweak things so any
+services starting after it might have timing issues right now) and some
+upstream rpm macros for use with service management in packages which we
+may be able to use instead of some of the rpm-helper stuff eventually.
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+Anyway, nothing seems hideously broken here so I'll push it tomorrow.
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+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+ <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+ <B>David Walser</B>
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+<PRE>David Walser wrote:
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+&gt;<i> An issue has been raised while QA testing an update for krb5 for Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 about
+</I>apparently incorrect paths in init scripts:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would the correct thing to do be to change /var/kerberos/krb5kdc to /etc/kerberos/krb5kdc as
+</I>proposed in this patch to kadmin.init?:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff">https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also noticed a line in kprop.init that says:
+</I>&gt;<i> [ -f /var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl ] || exit 6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should that be changed as well?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, in krb5 in Cauldron, I similarly noticed the following...
+</I>&gt;<i> kadmin.service:
+</I>&gt;<i> ConditionPathExists=!/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kprop.service:
+</I>&gt;<i> ConditionPathExists=/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should those be changed as well?
+</I>
+Those changes seem correct as they match up with the config file. I have submitted them.
+If they are wrong, please tell this bug:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+
+Now there's another problem. krb5 will no longer build in Cauldron. Other than the paths thing
+mentioned above, nothing has changed, and it built fine just on June 27th. I get this:
+RPM build errors:
+ File not found: /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto-k5ev.so
+ File not found: /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto.so
+
+I don't see any errors anywhere else in the build log about verto:
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120705001632.luigiwalser.valsta">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20120705001632.luigiwalser.valsta</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
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+&gt;<i> Those changes seem correct as they match up with the config file. I have submitted them.
+</I>&gt;<i> If they are wrong, please tell this bug:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now there's another problem. krb5 will no longer build in Cauldron. Other than the paths thing
+</I>&gt;<i> mentioned above, nothing has changed, and it built fine just on June 27th. I get this:
+</I>&gt;<i> RPM build errors:
+</I>&gt;<i> File not found: /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto-k5ev.so
+</I>&gt;<i> File not found: /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto.so
+</I>Those libs have been added twice in the spec:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/krb5/current/SPECS/krb5.spec?annotate=264466#l461">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/krb5/current/SPECS/krb5.spec?annotate=264466#l461</A>
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+&gt;<i> --------
+</I>&gt;<i> mediawiki - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated. Several
+</I>&gt;<i> security issues are present.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+</I>I'm on it, but they did change quite some things between 1.16.x and
+1.17, will need some more days.
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+&gt;<i> drupal - update built, issues found by QA need fixing
+</I>On it.
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+&gt;<i> Hmmmm, I understand what You mean. My request seems to sound rude. Im
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure if Iam the only one who is interested in that tool. When I
+</I>&gt;<i> was beginning to work with Linux I was not sure how to format an
+</I>&gt;<i> external device. Of course now I know it but for beginners this tool
+</I>&gt;<i> would be very helpful and handy.
+</I>
+&quot;Disks&quot; in GNOME 3 can format things. I think by default it just writes
+a new table (meaning: Quickformat). I saw a blogpost where a secure
+format is added.
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+IIRC if something is not formatted yet, GNOME should show a popup which
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+<PRE>Le 05/07/2012 08:50, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 05.07.2012 03:25, David Walser kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Those changes seem correct as they match up with the config file. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have submitted them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If they are wrong, please tell this bug:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now there's another problem. krb5 will no longer build in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Other than the paths thing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mentioned above, nothing has changed, and it built fine just on June
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 27th. I get this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> RPM build errors:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File not found:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto-k5ev.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File not found:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILDROOT/krb5-1.10.2-2.mga3.i386/usr/lib/libverto.so
+</I>&gt;<i> Those libs have been added twice in the spec:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/krb5/current/SPECS/krb5.spec?annotate=264466#l461">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/krb5/current/SPECS/krb5.spec?annotate=264466#l461</A>
+</I>Once for the actual library files, and once for the unversionned
+symlinks, as usual.
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+This is a chicken-and-egg issue with conditional build of included
+libverto, depending of wether an existing one was found on the system.
+As you can't build MIT kerberos without kerberos-devel package
+installed, shipping this library, each release would have an opposite
+result. I just fixed it in svn, by forcing the build unconditionnaly.
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+<PRE>On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 18:27:38 -0400, David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> An issue has been raised while QA testing an update for krb5 for Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 about apparently incorrect paths in init scripts:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6469</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would the correct thing to do be to change /var/kerberos/krb5kdc to /etc/kerberos/krb5kdc as proposed in this patch to kadmin.init?:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff">https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=2476&amp;action=diff</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also noticed a line in kprop.init that says:
+</I>&gt;<i> [ -f /var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl ] || exit 6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should that be changed as well?
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+Ideally, only the config files should be in /etc, and the database
+should be in /var. In order to get the security update out quickly,
+the scripts should be changed to /etc, to match the current config
+files.
+
+I think a new bug report should be opened, requesting changing
+the various scripts to use something like
+eval $(sed 's/ //g' /etc/kerberos/krb5kdc/kdc.conf|grep ^database_name)
+to get the location of the database (with similar code for the other
+files) and have new installs put the database in /var.
+
+&gt;<i> Also, in krb5 in Cauldron, I similarly noticed the following...
+</I>&gt;<i> kadmin.service:
+</I>&gt;<i> ConditionPathExists=!/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kprop.service:
+</I>&gt;<i> ConditionPathExists=/var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should those be changed as well?
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>On 28/06/2012 00:02, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the
+</I>&gt;<i> proposal[1] has been accepted
+</I>&lt;snip&gt;
+&gt;<i> and has to be merged with mine[3]
+</I>&gt;<i> and discussed a bit to understand what we have to do and who can help.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> [3] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Documentation team is planning to write the currently missing help for
+MCC and all the tools in it. We don't have a clue whether the above
+feature proposals, if implemented, will make a difference to what we
+have to do, and if so: what difference.
+
+Also, it is interesting to know whether you're willing to improve the
+way the help will work if we do it the Mandriva way. It would be great
+if the not working links would be fixed, and if it would be possible to
+let the help from the menu bar link to the correct file for each screen,
+instead of to a page with links you have to choose from. Please read on
+to understand what I'm talking about.
+
+If nothing would change to MCC, we would have to provide *html* files
+with same names as Mdv used, to be put in the same place and
+s/mandriva/mageia/
+
+For Mandriva 2010.1 the following section in MCC, and usually for all
+the tools in that section, the help (from the menu bar) links to a page
+with links to other pages:
+
+* Software Management -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management.html
+
+(The same page can be seen here
+<A HREF="http://doc.mandriva.com/en/2010/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management.html">http://doc.mandriva.com/en/2010/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management.html</A>
+You can, of course, find the other pages mentioned below by adjusting
+this link)
+
+Exception: Software Management - Configure media sources for install and
+update -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/software-management-sources.html
+
+* Hardware -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-hardware.html
+
+Exception: Manage your hardware - Browse and configure hardware -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/harddrake.html
+
+* Network -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-network.html
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+* System -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-system.html
+
+Exception: Administration tools - Manage users on system -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/userdrake.html
+
+* Network Sharing -----X &quot;No Help entry for&quot;
+However, the help is available in
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-networksharing.html
+
+Exception: Configure Windows(R) shares - Share drives and directories
+with Windows (SMB) systems -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/index.html ---- however, this page can
+give an error, and the *correct* help file seems to be
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/draksambashare.html
+
+* Local Disks -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-localdisks.html
+
+Note: Local Disks - Manage disk partitions clicking the help button at
+the *bottom* of the screen gives
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/diskdrake.html
+
+* Security -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-security.html
+
+Exception: Security - Configure system security, permissions and audit:
+The two items in the drop-down help menu are greyed out, clicking them
+doesn't work
+
+* Boot -----&gt;
+/usr/share/doc/mandriva/en/Drakxtools-Guide/Drakxtools-Guide.html/mcc-boot.html
+
+Please, when you reply to this mail, keep in mind that I'm not a
+developer and not even a packager.
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+Marja
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Should those be changed as well?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes.
+</I>The cauldron package has just been fixed to use /var/lib/krb5kdc as
+state directory. Configuration files will be eventually managed through
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+</I>&gt;<i> wordpress - needs updated to 3.4.1, also QA has found some bugs in the current package.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065</A>
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+&gt;<i> ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+</I>This package should be dropped: there is no maintainer, and we have
+better alternatives in the distribution (fusioninventory).
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+&gt;<i> Em 04-07-2012 23:56, Manuel Hiebel escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just blindly submitted an updated draksnapshot requiring hal.
+</I>Many thanks zezinho.
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+topic, concerning experiences on Mageia.
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+&gt;<i> Sorry, think I've got them all now.
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+</I>&gt;<i> For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+</I>I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
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+I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone
+unable to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much
+point ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during
+IRC meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people
+expressing concerns about the boat heading...
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+So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+everyone.
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+Il 05/07/2012 10:59, Marja van Waes ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On 28/06/2012 00:02, Angelo Naselli wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi, I'm back to this subject, because, as you probably know, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposal[1] has been accepted
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;snip&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and has to be merged with mine[3] and discussed a bit to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> understand what we have to do and who can help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [3] <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DrakXtoolsReview</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Documentation team is planning to write the currently missing help
+</I>&gt;<i> for MCC and all the tools in it. We don't have a clue whether the
+</I>&gt;<i> above feature proposals, if implemented, will make a difference to
+</I>&gt;<i> what we have to do, and if so: what difference.
+</I>As far as link [3] is concerned the idea is to add qt4 and maybe kde4
+front-end to mcc also, so nothing should change either on
+functionality or on options/programs positions, just the availability to
+have a more kde friendly look.
+
+About link[1] the idea is not mine I'd leave Steven talking about it
+better. As far as I understood functionalities should not change and
+the hope is that either the mcc look for the most, but that depends
+imo on how the interface will be implemented and how we will able to add
+what we have now, since i believe we can't re-write all...
+
+Cheers,
+ Angelo
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 21:31:50 schreef Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Le 04/07/2012 01:21, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sorry, think I've got them all now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone
+</I>&gt;<i> unable to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much
+</I>&gt;<i> point ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during
+</I>&gt;<i> IRC meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people
+</I>&gt;<i> expressing concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+</I>&gt;<i> push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+</I>&gt;<i> well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+</I>&gt;<i> directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone.
+</I>
+this is a good point: &quot;BTW, a missing dependency should not be
+considered a blocking issue as it can be easily fixed by the end user.
+Especially for a security update, as he probably already done it.&quot;
+
+also, not sure, but it seems the tester was unawere of perl-CGI-Fast being not
+really required (i think).
+
+still, IRC meeting yesterday seemed to conclude that security or major bug
+updates cannot be majorly delayed by bugs, it is however ok, to ask packager
+to do a quick fix for something at the same time.
+
+still, for this issue, it seems also that there was a month delay due to not
+setting assigned back. or even setting NEEDINFO.
+
+also, i notice that noone seemed to have pointed out the tester that in fact
+that dependency isn't required.
+
+i also see that some sentences look harsh to one of both sides here. (or at
+least to me).
+
+i think we need to understand that:
+
+A. QA team has responsibility on validation of update
+ - thus they decide validated or not
+ - if they find a non-regression bug, they can ask packagers to fix at the same
+time, but for major and security bugs, this should not be waited for, in such
+a case, a separate bug can be made and this one validated.
+ - however, i can also understand that due to the amount of updates needed
+validation, that such a wait, could be instead of 1 day, easily amount to a
+few weeks, without this being intentional.
+ - so, i would ask that QA, try to get the packager on IRC (or email) and if
+the packager isn't immediately available, to still continue to validate and
+possibly make a new bug report on it. so that &quot;bugs&quot; or &quot;features&quot; can still
+be discussed if need be.
+ - give that packagers are responsible for their package (and likely know it
+better than QA team), i would state that they are also responsible for
+deciding need or no (immediate) need for extra change before validation.
+
+B. QA team tests and finds bugs, and the reality of their pov is that if they'd
+put bugs they find in a separate BR, it often doesn't get fixed, and thus each
+validation test for all newer security patches, they hit the same bug for
+testing; which causes them frustration.
+
+C. However, some packages need quite some configuration to get it to run to
+test, so packagers are allowed to add a small list of how to reproduce, or
+even configure it to run. as this will likely make for faster testing, and also
+less possibilities of misunderstanding a possible missing requirement.
+
+Personally, I think regarding this quite some things could've been done
+better, but we can't have it all.
+
+i don't think there's a golden rule for this, and given our limited resources,
+i guess we (both teams) will have to bear with this.
+
+
+PS: i'm just putting my nose in matter that don't concern me here, but i'm
+just trying to understand both sides, i'm not trying to offend anyone, or to
+belittle any of the issues involved.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone
+</I>&gt;<i> unable to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much
+</I>&gt;<i> point ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during
+</I>&gt;<i> IRC meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people
+</I>&gt;<i> expressing concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+</I>&gt;<i> push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+</I>&gt;<i> well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+</I>&gt;<i> directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You seem to be frustrated by a false assumption. The assumption that
+something has changed over the past year of performing QA on security
+updates.
+
+It hasn't. We haven't begun doing anything differently and we haven't
+started to ask for any more than we have done before, during all that time.
+
+The reason we now have a backlog, which seems to be the cause of the
+frustration, is simply because we don't have enough volunteers. That is
+not really a reason to begin taking shortcuts, or cut out common sense,
+but it is something you can help with.
+
+Our QA workload doubled overnight when Mageia 2 was released. At the
+time there were mainly only two of us to perform the task, as there had
+been throughout the lifespan of Mageia 1 until that point. One tested
+every update x86_64 and one tested every update i586.
+
+As I'm sure you realise, that is nowhere near enough people to perform
+QA adequately on two live releases, especially just after release when
+many packaging bugs are being fixed. This is on top of having to work
+around bug 2317 which is only now beginning to receive attention.
+
+I fully sympathise with the need to concentrate on security updates and
+the need to handle them efficiently. Nothing has changed in that regard.
+We handle them now the same as we have been doing since last August and
+it has never been a problem for anybody. Believe it or not, it is
+actually appreciated by most..
+
+We have been trying to recruit new members and with some limited
+success. Those new members will hardly be inspired though to volunteer
+their time by this type of bullying. I myself would also like to think I
+didn't have to purposely avoid certain packagers update requests because
+of their aggressive behaviour. That situation would be of no benefit to
+anybody.
+
+We always have and will continue to do our best to prioritise security
+updates. Unfortunately that has to happen at the expense of bugfix
+updates so there are a number of those waiting for our attention. David
+has also been pushing for maintainers to get various security bugs fixed
+so there has been a bit of an influx for QA to deal with.
+
+This whole issue is being blown wildly out of proportion and it is
+really demoralising for those of us who already spend far too many hours
+a day actually doing the job.
+
+If you really want to speed things up then please spend some time
+helping to shorten the list and lighten the load. We did request help
+two weeks ago in the packagers meeting.
+
+You can find the validation procedure here: <A HREF="http://bit.ly/Ne2lPP">http://bit.ly/Ne2lPP</A>
+
+and the list of bugs awaiting QA here: <A HREF="http://bit.ly/LZMNhr">http://bit.ly/LZMNhr</A>
+
+Throughout the life of Mageia 1 the QA list was usually between 20 and
+40 bugs long, it is now between 40 and 50 bugs long and is hovering
+around that point.
+
+These recent attacks are causing even more work for us, which again
+helps nobody, and diverts our attention away from where it is really
+needed. Also I would point out that having to validate the same package
+several times obviously lessens the amount of time we can spend
+elsewhere, which compounds the problem.
+
+If the current situation is indeed such an intolerable issue then
+perhaps we should think seriously if we currently have the resources to
+maintain two active releases or rethink our ability to open backports,
+instead of bullying those who are already stretched too thinly.
+
+Regards
+Claire
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+<PRE>On Thu, 05 Jul 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 04/07/2012 01:21, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, think I've got them all now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone unable
+</I>&gt;<i> to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much point
+</I>&gt;<i> ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people expressing
+</I>&gt;<i> concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what kind
+</I>&gt;<i> of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to push a
+</I>&gt;<i> non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as well ask for
+</I>&gt;<i> SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it directly. This would
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for everyone.
+</I>
+About prioritization, I think we should remember that :
+- we want security updates quickly, to reduce the time users will have
+ vulnerable systems
+- we don't want regressions in updates, that's why we need QA team to test
+ the updates, and why we avoid major changes in updates
+- all people working on Mageia are volunteers, have limited time and
+ probably other external constraints. We can ask them to make an effort
+ when there is an urgency, but this should not be abused.
+
+So I think it would make sense to have a policy that say that when a
+bug that is not a regression is found while testing an update, it can
+be mentioned for information, but it should not block the validation of
+the update. Packager can fix it while fixing the other issue, if he has
+time, but he doesn't fix it if he is too busy or think it introduce too
+much changes for an update. In that case the issue can be fixed later
+when the packager has some free time, with no hurry.
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+<PRE>On 05/07/12 22:51, nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 04/07/2012 01:21, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, think I've got them all now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone unable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much point
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during IRC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people expressing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what kind
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to push a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as well ask for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it directly. This would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for everyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About prioritization, I think we should remember that :
+</I>&gt;<i> - we want security updates quickly, to reduce the time users will have
+</I>&gt;<i> vulnerable systems
+</I>&gt;<i> - we don't want regressions in updates, that's why we need QA team to test
+</I>&gt;<i> the updates, and why we avoid major changes in updates
+</I>&gt;<i> - all people working on Mageia are volunteers, have limited time and
+</I>&gt;<i> probably other external constraints. We can ask them to make an effort
+</I>&gt;<i> when there is an urgency, but this should not be abused.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think it would make sense to have a policy that say that when a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug that is not a regression is found while testing an update, it can
+</I>&gt;<i> be mentioned for information, but it should not block the validation of
+</I>&gt;<i> the update. Packager can fix it while fixing the other issue, if he has
+</I>&gt;<i> time, but he doesn't fix it if he is too busy or think it introduce too
+</I>&gt;<i> much changes for an update. In that case the issue can be fixed later
+</I>&gt;<i> when the packager has some free time, with no hurry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+The trouble with this is, when the packager finds some free time it then
+creates yet another update request for QA to validate and compounds the
+problem. We simply have to apply common sense. If something is easily
+fixed, fix it. If it isn't then ask for a separate bug report. There is
+no black and white policy for this, either extreme is wrong.
+
+I would hope that any packager sending an update for validation would be
+willing to follow that up and not just abandon it and move on, becoming
+annoyed when problems are found.
+
+You wouldn't expect QA to do that on our bug reports, you would rightly
+expect us to follow them up and provide any extra information and
+testing as required. Even knowing how busy we are.
+
+I am sure bug reports from our general userbase are not so keenly
+monitored or completely reported as the ones we create.
+
+This was all discussed yesterday. There is no real problem to resolve,
+other than finding more people to volunteer their time. This hostility
+towards QA is rather detrimental to that particular cause though.
+
+The methods we use are tried and tested, and have remained unchanged
+since the first updates began to arrive for Mageia 1. There is no reason
+to change them now and certainly no reason to begin taking shortcuts.
+
+QA is not there to 'rubber stamp' updates, we are there to perform QA.
+To view things from a users perspective and try to find the bugs before
+they reach them. We have to apply common sense in our work and only ask
+that packagers do the same thing.
+
+None of us want to see buggy updates being released or unnecessary
+delays I'm sure.
+
+Claire
+
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+&gt;<i> These recent attacks are causing even more work for us, which again helps
+</I>&gt;<i> nobody, and diverts our attention away from where it is really needed. Also
+</I>&gt;<i> I would point out that having to validate the same package several times
+</I>&gt;<i> obviously lessens the amount of time we can spend elsewhere, which
+</I>&gt;<i> compounds the problem.
+</I>
+A disagreement is not an attack.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the current situation is indeed such an intolerable issue then perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> we should think seriously if we currently have the resources to maintain
+</I>&gt;<i> two active releases or rethink our ability to open backports, instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> bullying those who are already stretched too thinly.
+</I>
+If there is too much workload, a solution is to provide only limited
+support and stop trying to fix all bugs with stable updates: only
+important security issue and critical bugs are fixed with an update, all
+other bugs are fixed in Cauldron only. This is what is done in most
+other distributions.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012, Claire Robinson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These recent attacks are causing even more work for us, which again helps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nobody, and diverts our attention away from where it is really needed. Also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would point out that having to validate the same package several times
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obviously lessens the amount of time we can spend elsewhere, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compounds the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A disagreement is not an attack.
+</I>
+
+With respect Nicolas, you're not on the receiving end.
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If the current situation is indeed such an intolerable issue then perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we should think seriously if we currently have the resources to maintain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> two active releases or rethink our ability to open backports, instead of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bullying those who are already stretched too thinly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is too much workload, a solution is to provide only limited
+</I>&gt;<i> support and stop trying to fix all bugs with stable updates: only
+</I>&gt;<i> important security issue and critical bugs are fixed with an update, all
+</I>&gt;<i> other bugs are fixed in Cauldron only. This is what is done in most
+</I>&gt;<i> other distributions.
+</I>
+
+This is mainly what is happening now. Don't forget mga1 has had a long
+time to receive its bug fixes, they are few and far between now. Most
+security updates on the other hand are for both mga1 and mga2 so take at
+least twice as long to test.
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+&gt;<i> Le 04/07/2012 00:37, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This package should be dropped: there is no maintainer, and we have
+</I>&gt;<i> better alternatives in the distribution (fusioninventory).
+</I>
+We should still issue the update for 1, but I agree with you here. I'm not clear on the exact
+procedure for dropping a package. I've seen other packages requested to be dropped, with no
+objections, that still haven't been AFAIK (such as wicd).
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+<PRE>AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 21:31:50 schreef Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unable to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> point ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IRC meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expressing concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everyone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is a good point: &quot;BTW, a missing dependency should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> considered a blocking issue as it can be easily fixed by the end user.
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially for a security update, as he probably already done it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Although if it can be easily added, why not do it ? Even if only a
+suggest ?
+&gt;<i> also, not sure, but it seems the tester was unawere of perl-CGI-Fast being not
+</I>&gt;<i> really required (i think).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+According to the comments in the bug, an optional package was required
+by the default config file, even if the package was not installed. That
+is a real bug.
+Adding a suggest is a temporary, and not permanent fix, as suggests
+don't have to be installed. Although the permanent fix could be done later.
+
+This brings up another improvement that is needed in the install
+routines. Suggests should be treated as suggests, with confirmation
+from the user on install. As such, QA could more readily test and find
+such bugs.
+
+&gt;<i> still, IRC meeting yesterday seemed to conclude that security or major bug
+</I>&gt;<i> updates cannot be majorly delayed by bugs, it is however ok, to ask packager
+</I>&gt;<i> to do a quick fix for something at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> still, for this issue, it seems also that there was a month delay due to not
+</I>&gt;<i> setting assigned back. or even setting NEEDINFO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also, i notice that noone seemed to have pointed out the tester that in fact
+</I>&gt;<i> that dependency isn't required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i also see that some sentences look harsh to one of both sides here. (or at
+</I>&gt;<i> least to me).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i think we need to understand that:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A. QA team has responsibility on validation of update
+</I>&gt;<i> - thus they decide validated or not
+</I>&gt;<i> - if they find a non-regression bug, they can ask packagers to fix at the same
+</I>&gt;<i> time, but for major and security bugs, this should not be waited for, in such
+</I>&gt;<i> a case, a separate bug can be made and this one validated.
+</I>&gt;<i> - however, i can also understand that due to the amount of updates needed
+</I>&gt;<i> validation, that such a wait, could be instead of 1 day, easily amount to a
+</I>&gt;<i> few weeks, without this being intentional.
+</I>&gt;<i> - so, i would ask that QA, try to get the packager on IRC (or email) and if
+</I>&gt;<i> the packager isn't immediately available, to still continue to validate and
+</I>&gt;<i> possibly make a new bug report on it. so that &quot;bugs&quot; or &quot;features&quot; can still
+</I>&gt;<i> be discussed if need be.
+</I>&gt;<i> - give that packagers are responsible for their package (and likely know it
+</I>&gt;<i> better than QA team), i would state that they are also responsible for
+</I>&gt;<i> deciding need or no (immediate) need for extra change before validation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. QA team tests and finds bugs, and the reality of their pov is that if they'd
+</I>&gt;<i> put bugs they find in a separate BR, it often doesn't get fixed, and thus each
+</I>&gt;<i> validation test for all newer security patches, they hit the same bug for
+</I>&gt;<i> testing; which causes them frustration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C. However, some packages need quite some configuration to get it to run to
+</I>&gt;<i> test, so packagers are allowed to add a small list of how to reproduce, or
+</I>&gt;<i> even configure it to run. as this will likely make for faster testing, and also
+</I>&gt;<i> less possibilities of misunderstanding a possible missing requirement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, I think regarding this quite some things could've been done
+</I>&gt;<i> better, but we can't have it all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't think there's a golden rule for this, and given our limited resources,
+</I>&gt;<i> i guess we (both teams) will have to bear with this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS: i'm just putting my nose in matter that don't concern me here, but i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> just trying to understand both sides, i'm not trying to offend anyone, or to
+</I>&gt;<i> belittle any of the issues involved.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1
+
+Sometimes when things get frustrating, a few kind words from both sides
+can help a lot.
+And maybe step back and smile a little.
+But it certainly can be difficult.
+
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+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+</I>&gt;<i> push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+</I>&gt;<i> well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+</I>&gt;<i> directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone.
+</I>
+Nobody is in charge, which is part of the problem. I think a lot of us packagers come from Mandriva
+where we were used to Oden being in charge of updates for stable distros, and therefore not having
+to worry about it. We are a community distro, we have no paid security manager. It is all of our
+responsibility to do security updates for stable distros.
+
+As far as what kind of help is expected, it varies per bug really. Some of them have maintainers
+that might want to give input. Some I would like to know from someone else more experienced or who
+has more at stake in a package how to handle an update when there are choices. Sometimes other
+distros have pushed an updated (bugfix-only) version, or patched other bugs as well, rather than
+just patched the security bug. Based on my descriptions in my e-mail and comments in the bugs, you
+can see some of those that I'd just like some advice. Others are more complicated or packages that
+I don't know anything about. Bottom line is, the ones I've asked about, there's some reason I
+haven't just done it myself. Any help you can offer is appreciated. If you want clarification on
+any particular one what I need, please just ask me.
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+&gt;<i> this is a good point: &quot;BTW, a missing dependency should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> considered a blocking issue as it can be easily fixed by the end user.
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially for a security update, as he probably already done it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also, not sure, but it seems the tester was unawere of perl-CGI-Fast being not
+</I>&gt;<i> really required (i think).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> still, IRC meeting yesterday seemed to conclude that security or major bug
+</I>&gt;<i> updates cannot be majorly delayed by bugs, it is however ok, to ask packager
+</I>&gt;<i> to do a quick fix for something at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> still, for this issue, it seems also that there was a month delay due to not
+</I>&gt;<i> setting assigned back. or even setting NEEDINFO.
+</I>
+Incorrect. There was a month delay because the packager who first submitted it to QA failed to
+provide an update for Mageia 2. That person also failed to make any comment whatsoever, while
+being aware that questions had been raised.
+
+Let me be clear, I know we're all busy, and I don't expect things to be fixed right away all the
+time. However, we need to communicate. Even if you don't have time to fix something, if you know
+there are issues, and you have some input to give on it, give it. I really don't appreciate being
+ignored for a month, and then when someone else tries to help, all of sudden you (not you Maarten)
+finally speak up and complain about what has been done.
+
+&gt;<i> also, i notice that noone seemed to have pointed out the tester that in fact
+</I>&gt;<i> that dependency isn't required.
+</I>
+But it is used by the default configuration, so a suggests is appropriate. Our packages should be
+functional out of the box.
+
+&gt;<i> i also see that some sentences look harsh to one of both sides here. (or at
+</I>&gt;<i> least to me).
+</I>
+Yes, that is true. Both sides could tone it down, and it is really not appropriate to have that
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Documentation team is planning to write the currently missing help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for MCC and all the tools in it. We don't have a clue whether the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> above feature proposals, if implemented, will make a difference to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what we have to do, and if so: what difference.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About link[1] the idea is not mine I'd leave Steven talking about it
+</I>&gt;<i> better. As far as I understood functionalities should not change and
+</I>&gt;<i> the hope is that either the mcc look for the most, but that depends
+</I>&gt;<i> imo on how the interface will be implemented and how we will able to add
+</I>&gt;<i> what we have now, since i believe we can't re-write all...
+</I>
+I am very glad people are getting behind the idea, and it might seem a
+bit odd coming from me, but I think we should slow down and put this in
+to perspective.
+
+MCC2 is in such early stages I don't really think it should at this
+stage effect other work or planning just yet.
+As much as I want it to work, there is always a very real risk of
+project failure, and it's way too early to be placing bets.
+At the moment I have a C++ program and a perl program that do little
+more than hello world (though they work great across gui and ncurses! ).
+
+As far as a time line, these factors come into consideration for me....
+
+1/ I didn't actually plan for it to be ready (in a complete/stable form)
+for Mageia 3, but wanted to get started on it and hopefully have it
+available as an option for Mga3.
+2/ Until I get into more complicated code, I don't know what the
+limitations of the library are, I have already been on the opensuse IRC
+channel and spoke to the person who originally developed libYui, and he
+(could be she, don't know), confirmed some issues already, so this may
+effect the look and feel, or time required.
+3/ The period when I can really devote time to coding is between
+November and March, until then progress will be slow
+
+
+So basically to answer the question, I don't think the proposal should
+have any effect on what you do.
+While I would like to say it will work exactly the same way just using a
+different ui library, I can't as I don't know what I am going to encounter.
+
+I think MCC2 should just be seen as an experiment until there is enough
+done that it actually looks like a usable tool. Even the planning is
+just a fuzzy idea, no concrete plans yet.
+
+I am sorry I haven't been clearer about this in the last week, but I
+have been quite ill with fevers etc for the last 5 days, hence only
+having barely more than hello world programs.
+
+Hope that helps ?
+
+Tuxta
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 20:34:08 schreef David Walser:
+&gt;<i> AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this is a good point: &quot;BTW, a missing dependency should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; considered a blocking issue as it can be easily fixed by the end user.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Especially for a security update, as he probably already done it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also, not sure, but it seems the tester was unawere of perl-CGI-Fast being
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not really required (i think).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still, IRC meeting yesterday seemed to conclude that security or major bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates cannot be majorly delayed by bugs, it is however ok, to ask
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packager to do a quick fix for something at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still, for this issue, it seems also that there was a month delay due to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not setting assigned back. or even setting NEEDINFO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Incorrect. There was a month delay because the packager who first submitted
+</I>&gt;<i> it to QA failed to provide an update for Mageia 2. That person also failed
+</I>&gt;<i> to make any comment whatsoever, while being aware that questions had been
+</I>&gt;<i> raised.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me be clear, I know we're all busy, and I don't expect things to be
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed right away all the time. However, we need to communicate. Even if
+</I>&gt;<i> you don't have time to fix something, if you know there are issues, and you
+</I>&gt;<i> have some input to give on it, give it. I really don't appreciate being
+</I>&gt;<i> ignored for a month, and then when someone else tries to help, all of
+</I>&gt;<i> sudden you (not you Maarten) finally speak up and complain about what has
+</I>&gt;<i> been done.
+</I>
+i do understand, however, as i said, even though QA might be ignored, i think
+QA still would have to validate it, when QA reads this and sees no response,
+imho :-( .
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; also, i notice that noone seemed to have pointed out the tester that in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fact that dependency isn't required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But it is used by the default configuration, so a suggests is appropriate.
+</I>&gt;<i> Our packages should be functional out of the box.
+</I>
+iiuc, the qa team member says it's required, and not suggested, and noone from
+packaging team thought about mentioning that it should be a suggests. (of
+course, i didn't know this, but suspected it)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; i also see that some sentences look harsh to one of both sides here. (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; least to me).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that is true. Both sides could tone it down, and it is really not
+</I>&gt;<i> appropriate to have that kind of argument in public on Bugzilla (IMO).
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 23:52:39 schreef Claire Robinson:
+&gt;<i> On 05/07/12 23:34, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 05 Jul 2012, Claire Robinson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; These recent attacks are causing even more work for us, which again helps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; nobody, and diverts our attention away from where it is really needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I would point out that having to validate the same package several times
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; obviously lessens the amount of time we can spend elsewhere, which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; compounds the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A disagreement is not an attack.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With respect Nicolas, you're not on the receiving end.
+</I>[...]
+
+allthough i see badly worded(possibly to look offensive) sentences, i don't
+think this is intentional, and more a problem of communication than something
+else. I often have the feeling that certain sentences from french people come
+accross as rude to me. I've come to understand that this is not the intention,
+but somehow related to how french sentences are built and how it's been
+translated to english.
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 23:52:39 schreef Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With respect Nicolas, you're not on the receiving end.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> allthough i see badly worded(possibly to look offensive) sentences, i don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think this is intentional, and more a problem of communication than something
+</I>&gt;<i> else. I often have the feeling that certain sentences from french people come
+</I>&gt;<i> accross as rude to me. I've come to understand that this is not the intention,
+</I>&gt;<i> but somehow related to how french sentences are built and how it's been
+</I>&gt;<i> translated to english.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The same thing was pointed out to me by a native speaker (as MrsB is),
+when I wrote an answer that somehow was rather rude to the receiver.
+We have to keep in mind, that most of us are non native speakers and
+that all of us have slightly different cultures.
+So - although it may be hard - it would be good for the native speakers
+among us, not to put every word through a rudeness detector. I know the
+Brits are far more courteous then the Germans (and perhaps the French as
+well?), so let's go back to fixing bugs and not feeling hurt by people
+who might not even be rude from their point of view...
+
+Oliver
+
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+Hi,
+&gt;<i> I think MCC2 should just be seen as an experiment until there is
+</I>&gt;<i> enough done that it actually looks like a usable tool. Even the
+</I>&gt;<i> planning is just a fuzzy idea, no concrete plans yet.
+</I>I think this should be considered as valid. I'm in favor to have
+a branch that could be delivered as an alternative to mcc in mga3
+if we reach the goal to have a stable and not complete moving. So
+not a replacement but a way to the future.
+
+In the mean while i'm looking for the alternative proposal as well
+that could be helpful in any case.
+
+About coding, Steven if you have in mind what you want as ui, we can
+ask for the svn branch and start sharing the task. I cannot say i have
+24h a day free, more likely some a week (at night for the most) but
+what i want to say is you're not alone and the project is big.
+
+About libYui, i got in touch with the main developer, and told me
+there is a IRC channel #libyui and git project on github is very
+active at the moment, they are very happy to get feedback and
+patches from other distros, (they also moved to cmake) but the next
+milestone is after yast will be fully adapted to libyui. So we could
+consider to have git version of libyui to have all up to date and
+fixed.
+
+WDYT?
+ Angelo
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+<PRE>On 06/07/12 07:56, Oliver Burger wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 06.07.2012 08:18, schrieb AL13N:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 23:52:39 schreef Claire Robinson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> With respect Nicolas, you're not on the receiving end.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> allthough i see badly worded(possibly to look offensive) sentences, i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think this is intentional, and more a problem of communication than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> else. I often have the feeling that certain sentences from french
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people come
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> accross as rude to me. I've come to understand that this is not the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> intention,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but somehow related to how french sentences are built and how it's been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> translated to english.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same thing was pointed out to me by a native speaker (as MrsB is),
+</I>&gt;<i> when I wrote an answer that somehow was rather rude to the receiver.
+</I>&gt;<i> We have to keep in mind, that most of us are non native speakers and
+</I>&gt;<i> that all of us have slightly different cultures.
+</I>&gt;<i> So - although it may be hard - it would be good for the native speakers
+</I>&gt;<i> among us, not to put every word through a rudeness detector. I know the
+</I>&gt;<i> Brits are far more courteous then the Germans (and perhaps the French as
+</I>&gt;<i> well?), so let's go back to fixing bugs and not feeling hurt by people
+</I>&gt;<i> who might not even be rude from their point of view...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+This has nothing to do with being rude.
+
+As I said previously, this is being blown wildly out of proportion. In
+reality it centres around one packager and two bugs. In both these bugs
+the packager expected QA to validate updates where one was an xinetd
+service which expressly stated it was disabled by default but in actual
+fact was enabled and in the other a mailing list with a web interface
+which simply couldn't work in it's default configuration.
+
+What it being thrown at us is that we are unreasonably expecting every
+single little bug to be fixed without any common and need to make
+drastic changes to our policies.
+
+We attended the packager meeting on Wednesday to respond to this and
+discuss it. At the meeting it was agreed that we had not changed the way
+we have been doing things since day one and that the right way forward
+was to continue doing what we were doing, with both packagers and QA
+using common sense.
+
+The following day the same far fetched accusations are thrown at us
+again, now escalated to the ML, suggesting we caused a months delay and
+suggesting a solution to the accusation being we begin to 'rubber stamp'
+security updates regardless of if they actually work or not or an
+internet facing service which says it's disabled is actually not so.
+
+In both cases there were simple ways to fix them. In one it was just to
+alter the description (2 minutes) so it didn't say it was disabled and
+in the other it was either to add a suggest or alter the default
+configuration so it didn't require the missing suggest (2 minutes).
+
+We have to use common sense in QA and only ask that, to avoid all this
+unpleasantness in the future, common sense is used by the packager also.
+All this is a reaction to 4 minutes of additional work. That is not
+common sense to me.
+
+If we're expected to validate updates in the state these two bugs
+reached us then we may as well not be here at all.
+
+Claire
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>task-gnome-minimal has the following:
+Suggests: preload
+Suggests: readahead
+
+IMO if something like that is needed, it should not belong in
+task-gnome-minimal, but something lowlevel like e.g. systemd.
+
+Even though these are just suggests, I still want to get rid of it.
+
+Any objections?
+
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+&gt;<i> task-gnome-minimal has the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: preload
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: readahead
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO if something like that is needed, it should not belong in
+</I>&gt;<i> task-gnome-minimal, but something lowlevel like e.g. systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even though these are just suggests, I still want to get rid of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any objections?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nop..
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 06/07/12 10:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> task-gnome-minimal has the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: preload
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests: readahead
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO if something like that is needed, it should not belong in
+</I>&gt;<i> task-gnome-minimal, but something lowlevel like e.g. systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even though these are just suggests, I still want to get rid of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any objections?
+</I>
+Strangely enough I was thinking about the separate preload and readahead
+packages recently.
+
+I suspect the systemd-readahead stuff is where we want to consolidate. I
+was actually thinking of just dropping those other packages completely,
+but I've not fully read up on it yet.
+
+Col
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 06/07/12 07:56, Oliver Burger wrote:
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+&gt;<i> This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>
+IIUC, a small bit of it is related in 2 instances (from my pov):
+ - QA team being ignored in their question
+ - packager being doubted by QA team
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+(in some or other forms, both of these can be seen as rude)
+
+for one more perceived rudeness, look below.
+
+&gt;<i> As I said previously, this is being blown wildly out of proportion.
+</I>
+very true
+
+&gt;<i> In
+</I>&gt;<i> reality it centres around one packager and two bugs. In both these bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> the packager expected QA to validate updates where one was an xinetd
+</I>&gt;<i> service which expressly stated it was disabled by default but in actual
+</I>&gt;<i> fact was enabled and in the other a mailing list with a web interface
+</I>&gt;<i> which simply couldn't work in it's default configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What it being thrown at us is that we are unreasonably expecting every
+</I>&gt;<i> single little bug to be fixed without any common and need to make
+</I>&gt;<i> drastic changes to our policies.
+</I>
+i did mention it would best for packagers (and i think it's in policy)
+that they would give reproducer tests for validation (perhaps it should be
+extended to getting the package working as well)
+
+&gt;<i> We attended the packager meeting on Wednesday to respond to this and
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss it. At the meeting it was agreed that we had not changed the way
+</I>&gt;<i> we have been doing things since day one and that the right way forward
+</I>&gt;<i> was to continue doing what we were doing, with both packagers and QA
+</I>&gt;<i> using common sense.
+</I>
+IIUC, not 100% the same, security updates should get pushed without delay
+even if there's an additional problem (unless regressions). The idea
+behind this, is that security updates are important for people who are
+already running it. and since they are running it, they aren't likely to
+have the problems that QA had.
+
+I have no trouble having contacting packager and ask for fix, but
+ultimately, for if for whatever reason the packager isn't there, i still
+think it should be pushed.
+
+&gt;<i> The following day the same far fetched accusations are thrown at us
+</I>&gt;<i> again, now escalated to the ML, suggesting we caused a months delay and
+</I>&gt;<i> suggesting a solution to the accusation being we begin to 'rubber stamp'
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates regardless of if they actually work or not or an
+</I>&gt;<i> internet facing service which says it's disabled is actually not so.
+</I>
+This is also perceived rudeness:
+- The packager's pov is that QA should have pushed it anyway.
+- personally, i'm not certain that this is the intention of the person who
+wrote it.
+
+The problem in this exact case, is that in fact, IMHO, the suggested
+modification, wasn't needed; allthough it might be better, it's ultimately
+not needed, because having a mailinglist, you need to configure alot of
+things anyway. and perhaps it's not even required to use CGI::Fast
+(depending on configuration). arguably it's perhaps better to have this as
+suggest.
+
+The packager's pov is that QA team was stating a undiscussable MUST that
+this dependency should be required (not suggested; which is better), while
+in effect, afterwards, it appears that this dependency is a separate and
+not even a major bug (easy workaround).
+
+But, QA team doesn't know alot about this. so i'm not speaking about
+faults here.
+Also packaging team must realize that QA team doesn't know alot about
+this. They are just doing what they think is right.
+
+but if packaging team says that this isn't really a major requirement for
+this security bug, then again, QA team should understand this too.
+
+
+&gt;<i> In both cases there were simple ways to fix them. In one it was just to
+</I>&gt;<i> alter the description (2 minutes) so it didn't say it was disabled and
+</I>&gt;<i> in the other it was either to add a suggest or alter the default
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration so it didn't require the missing suggest (2 minutes).
+</I>
+That is also true.
+
+&gt;<i> We have to use common sense in QA and only ask that, to avoid all this
+</I>&gt;<i> unpleasantness in the future, common sense is used by the packager also.
+</I>&gt;<i> All this is a reaction to 4 minutes of additional work. That is not
+</I>&gt;<i> common sense to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we're expected to validate updates in the state these two bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> reached us then we may as well not be here at all.
+</I>
+no offense meant, but in retrospect, it appears those new bugs in those 2
+bug reports (to me) aren't that major at all.
+
+but I agree that it isn't easy to test, and thus packager should be
+accomodating that.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/07/12 07:56, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIUC, a small bit of it is related in 2 instances (from my pov):
+</I>&gt;<i> - QA team being ignored in their question
+</I>&gt;<i> - packager being doubted by QA team
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (in some or other forms, both of these can be seen as rude)
+</I>No, what is really rude for me is Claire's agressive reaction here, two
+times in a row.
+
+I don't ask for flowers and congratulations everytime I interact with
+anyone else asking for help, I'd just like avoid feeling assaulted for
+&quot;giving QA team too much work&quot; while volonteering to contribute fixing a
+stalled issue. Especially on a public media such as bugzilla.
+
+Now, as I've been advised to use common sense, I'll just shut up,
+instead of adding more fuel to the fire, and I'll try to select more
+wisely my personal involvement in the future.
+--
+BOFH excuse #229:
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+wrong polarity of neutron flow
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+&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
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+&gt;<i> Le 06/07/2012 13:19, AL13N a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/07/12 07:56, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IIUC, a small bit of it is related in 2 instances (from my pov):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - QA team being ignored in their question
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - packager being doubted by QA team
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (in some or other forms, both of these can be seen as rude)
+</I>&gt;<i> No, what is really rude for me is Claire's agressive reaction here, two
+</I>&gt;<i> times in a row.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't ask for flowers and congratulations everytime I interact with
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone else asking for help, I'd just like avoid feeling assaulted for
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;giving QA team too much work&quot; while volonteering to contribute fixing a
+</I>&gt;<i> stalled issue. Especially on a public media such as bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, as I've been advised to use common sense, I'll just shut up,
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of adding more fuel to the fire, and I'll try to select more
+</I>&gt;<i> wisely my personal involvement in the future.
+</I>
+The stalled issue was actually a packaging issue Guillaume. We don't
+expect to be held responsible for those in QA or have to send flowers
+when they are resolved. Perhaps that is where this misunderstanding
+stems from.
+
+Claire
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native
+</I>&gt;<i> whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get
+</I>&gt;<i> notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those?
+</I>
+Yes, that would be a lot better.
+
+I understood that feature was disabled to solve bug 1932
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 13:59, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that would be a lot better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understood that feature was disabled to solve bug 1932
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932</A>
+</I>
+Ok, but there a daily reminder is nonsense.
+
+A monthly (or every 2 months) reminder of bugs fitting in your above
+query would sound sane, if it's sent only to the assignee. If not,
+then the whole mass ping itself should not be done either.
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 13:59, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Couldn't we use another method than this? Like using Bugzilla's native
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whining feature, or an equivalent where each assignee only get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> notified of his assigned bugs in a single mail listing those?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, that would be a lot better.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I understood that feature was disabled to solve bug 1932
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1932</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, but there a daily reminder is nonsense.
+</I>
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+Maybe it works better in upgraded Bugzilla :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A monthly (or every 2 months) reminder of bugs fitting in your above
+</I>&gt;<i> query would sound sane, if it's sent only to the assignee. If not,
+</I>&gt;<i> then the whole mass ping itself should not be done either.
+</I>
+Waiting one month to find out whether a bug was assigned correctly is
+too long, in my opinion, unless the assignee is busy gathering enough
+information to be able to tell.
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+I think we should ping bug reports for which we haven't got a
+confirmation that the assignment was correct after two weeks, except
+when the assignee shows activity in the report.
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+If the assignee thinks the bug was assigned correctly, he can put OK on
+the whiteboard or set status to ASSIGNED, and he won't show up in this
+search again, so he won't be pinged for this reason again.
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Later today there'll be a mass assignee ping for Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, everyone in the cc of the bugs will receive the ping, too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only bugs that'll be pinged are that
+</I>&gt;<i> * were assigned more than 2 weeks ago
+</I>&gt;<i> * where the assignee didn't do anything to the bug since more than two weeks
+</I>&gt;<i> ago
+</I>&gt;<i> * where the assignee didn't confirm the bug was assigned correctly by either
+</I>&gt;<i> setting status to ASSIGNED or by putting OK on the whiteboard and.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bugs that are assigned to QA or Bug Squad won't be pinged, nor will Reporter
+</I>&gt;<i> = Assignee ones.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Enhancement requests and minor bugs won't be pinged either, nor will bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> that have the TRACKER or UPSTREAM keyword.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you're the assignee and you don't have a clue whether the bug was
+</I>&gt;<i> assigned correctly or not, please put NEEDHELP on the whiteboard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you know it was *not* assigned correctly, please reassign to either the
+</I>&gt;<i> correct person or to Bug Squad, and explain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Set status to ASSIGNED or put OK on the whiteboard if you don't want to be
+</I>&gt;<i> pinged in the same bug for the same thing again.
+</I>
+Not sure how useful it is.
+I have received 25 emails so far in today's ping (and they keep coming).
+Some of them because I am assignee, some because I am reporter, some I am in CC.
+I probably need to take action on few of them but I currently don't
+have time to check which ones so it is likely that I will end up
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure how useful it is.
+</I>&gt;<i> I have received 25 emails so far in today's ping (and they keep coming).
+</I>&gt;<i> Some of them because I am assignee, some because I am reporter, some I am in CC.
+</I>&gt;<i> I probably need to take action on few of them but I currently don't
+</I>&gt;<i> have time to check which ones so it is likely that I will end up
+</I>&gt;<i> ignoring them all...
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+We'll remind you and everybody else who hasn't got time now :)
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+On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 14:22, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it works better in upgraded Bugzilla :)
+</I>
+No, it works in the current setup.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> A monthly (or every 2 months) reminder of bugs fitting in your above
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> query would sound sane, if it's sent only to the assignee. If not,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then the whole mass ping itself should not be done either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Waiting one month to find out whether a bug was assigned correctly is too
+</I>&gt;<i> long, in my opinion, unless the assignee is busy gathering enough
+</I>&gt;<i> information to be able to tell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we should ping bug reports for which we haven't got a confirmation
+</I>&gt;<i> that the assignment was correct after two weeks, except when the assignee
+</I>&gt;<i> shows activity in the report.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the assignee thinks the bug was assigned correctly, he can put OK on the
+</I>&gt;<i> whiteboard or set status to ASSIGNED, and he won't show up in this search
+</I>&gt;<i> again, so he won't be pinged for this reason again.
+</I>
+We can make a bi-monthly check that will only whine to the assignees,
+and not others. That makes at most (for the unlucky ones), two mails a
+month summarizing what they are assigned to and that it has not been
+checked out of the query.
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+Shall we try that?
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+&gt;<i> (removed -discuss from the discussion)
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+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 14:22, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it works better in upgraded Bugzilla :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, it works in the current setup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should ping bug reports for which we haven't got a confirmation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that the assignment was correct after two weeks, except when the assignee
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shows activity in the report.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the assignee thinks the bug was assigned correctly, he can put OK on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whiteboard or set status to ASSIGNED, and he won't show up in this search
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again, so he won't be pinged for this reason again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can make a bi-monthly check that will only whine to the assignees,
+</I>&gt;<i> and not others. That makes at most (for the unlucky ones), two mails a
+</I>&gt;<i> month summarizing what they are assigned to and that it has not been
+</I>&gt;<i> checked out of the query.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shall we try that?
+</I>
+Well, if you replace &quot;bi-monthly&quot; by &quot;twice a month&quot; (that seems to be
+what you mean), then: yes, please!
+
+Bi-monthly doesn't have a fixed meaning
+<A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bi-monthly">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bi-monthly</A> ;)
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+Thanks a lot, Romain :)
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 6 juillet 2012 17:46:16 Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 16:49, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (removed -discuss from the discussion)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 06/07/2012 14:22, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Maybe it works better in upgraded Bugzilla :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, it works in the current setup.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think we should ping bug reports for which we haven't got a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; confirmation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that the assignment was correct after two weeks, except when the assignee
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; shows activity in the report.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If the assignee thinks the bug was assigned correctly, he can put OK on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; whiteboard or set status to ASSIGNED, and he won't show up in this search
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; again, so he won't be pinged for this reason again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can make a bi-monthly check that will only whine to the assignees,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and not others. That makes at most (for the unlucky ones), two mails a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; month summarizing what they are assigned to and that it has not been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; checked out of the query.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shall we try that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, if you replace &quot;bi-monthly&quot; by &quot;twice a month&quot; (that seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> what you mean), then: yes, please!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bi-monthly doesn't have a fixed meaning
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bi-monthly">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bi-monthly</A> ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot, Romain :)
+</I>
+Hi,
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+kmail ... we will see if it is a good solution :p
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 6 juillet 2012 18:04:57 D.Morgan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please report in from now chromium is broken ( compared to before ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am patching to use system libs instead of bundled ones ( i do one by one )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards;
+</I>&gt;<i> D.
+</I>Hi,
+
+
+Maybe it explains what I read before ?
+In the sense that it is difficult to built packages for Chromium and so it is
+'normal' that it is 'often outdated' in comparaison with Chrome ?
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+&gt;<i> On 06/07/2012 16:49, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shall we try that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, if you replace &quot;bi-monthly&quot; by &quot;twice a month&quot; (that seems to be what
+</I>&gt;<i> you mean), then: yes, please!
+</I>
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+Ok, test will go in a few minutes to all current assignees that have
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+Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
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+Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+genuinely find useful!
+
+Thoughts?
+
+Col
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+<PRE>07.07.2012 12:47, Colin Guthrie kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;<i> option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;<i> genuinely find useful!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>Why not :) Tho' i would ask a bit more tests at QA. Maybe notify disucuss ml about the
+packages in testing. So we can make sure there are no regressions.
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>I'm always in favor of those updates that make
+our life better :)
+In this case we can also consider that mga2 is
+pretty young and that hardware would not be supported
+until mga3... so yes for me.
+
+Let's do all the needed tests and go.
+
+Angelo
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 05/07/12 00:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hiya,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll land the new systemd tomorrow if no one shouts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thinks of note in this release are some changes to the ntp mechanism
+</I>&gt;<i> (time-sync.target will not currently start until I tweak things so any
+</I>&gt;<i> services starting after it might have timing issues right now) and some
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream rpm macros for use with service management in packages which we
+</I>&gt;<i> may be able to use instead of some of the rpm-helper stuff eventually.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, nothing seems hideously broken here so I'll push it tomorrow.
+</I>
+Submitted to build system now along with a new plymouth. Don't forget to
+regenerate your initrd after updating dracut (also submitted) in order
+to use the new plymouth there.
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+I have installed ardour but when i tried to run it could not run jack
+server, see the output:
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+]$ LC_ALL=C ardour2
+WARNING: Your system has a limit for maximum amount of locked memory!
+ This might cause Ardour to run out of memory before your system runs
+ out of memory. You can view the memory limit with 'ulimit -l', and it
+ is normally controlled by /etc/security/limits.conf
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+ (built using 10144 and GCC version 4.6.2)
+Copyright (C) 1999-2008 Paul Davis
+Some portions Copyright (C) Steve Harris, Ari Johnson, Brett Viren, Joel Baker
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+Ardour comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
+not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
+This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
+under certain conditions; see the source for copying conditions.
+theme_init() called from internal clearlooks engine
+/usr/share/themes/Adwaita/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:80: error: unexpected
+identifier `colorize_scrollbar', expected character `}'
+theme_init() called from internal clearlooks engine
+/usr/share/themes/Adwaita/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:80: error: unexpected
+identifier `colorize_scrollbar', expected character `}'
+loading default ui configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour2_ui_default.conf
+loading user ui configuration file /home/simple/.ardour2/ardour2_ui.conf
+Loading ui configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour2_ui_dark.rc
+theme_init() called from internal clearlooks engine
+ardour: [INFO]: Ardour will be limited to 4096 open files
+loading system configuration file /etc/ardour2/ardour_system.rc
+ardour: [INFO]: Using SSE optimized routines
+ardour: [INFO]: looking for control protocols in
+/home/simple/.ardour2/surfaces/:/usr/lib64/ardour2/surfaces/
+ardour: [INFO]: Control surface protocol discovered: &quot;Mackie&quot;
+ardour: [INFO]: Control protocol Tranzport not usable
+ardour: [INFO]: Control surface protocol discovered: &quot;Generic MIDI&quot;
+powermate: Opening of powermate failed - No such file or directory
+ardour: [INFO]: Control protocol powermate not usable
+ardour: [INFO]: Control surface protocol discovered: &quot;Wiimote&quot;
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+jack server is not running or cannot be started
+JACK COMMAND: /usr/bin/jackd -p 128 -R -P 60 -T -d alsa -n 2 -r 48000
+-p 1024 -d hw:0,0
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+jackdmp 1.9.8
+Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
+Copyright 2004-2011 Grame.
+jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
+This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
+under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
+no message buffer overruns
+no message buffer overruns
+no message buffer overruns
+JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 60
+Cannot lock down 17373216 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
+control device hw:0
+control device hw:0
+audio_reservation_init
+Failed to acquire device name : Audio0 error : Method &quot;RequestRelease&quot;
+with signature &quot;i&quot; on interface &quot;org.freedesktop.ReserveDevice1&quot;
+doesn't exist
+
+Audio device hw:0,0 cannot be acquired...
+Cannot initialize driver
+JackServer::Open() failed with -1
+Failed to open server
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
+Cannot connect to server socket
+jack server is not running or cannot be started
+
+would it be possible to check this?
+
+regards,
+Pedro
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 7 juli 2012 10:47:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;<i> option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;<i> genuinely find useful!
+</I>
+Isn't this better fitted for backports?
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:59 PM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 7 juli 2012 10:47:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> genuinely find useful!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this better fitted for backports?
+</I>
+as this is to fix something that doesn't work updates seems better
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 7 juillet 2012 23:59:32 AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 7 juli 2012 10:47:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; genuinely find useful!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this better fitted for backports?
+</I>No because in this case you're not going to solve &#171; hardware issue &#187; for
+users.
+
+(&amp; backports is still an &#171; arlesienne &#187; )
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/07/12 22:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 7 juli 2012 10:47:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Before MGA2 a few users complained that their camera didn't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4177</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should we update gphoto and libgphoto on mga2 now the dust has settled.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know much about upstream here but it seems like a fairly safe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> option and it would add support for newer cameras etc. which users will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> genuinely find useful!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't this better fitted for backports?
+</I>
+It can be a fine line at times I agree, but I think as these are updates
+to the stable branch version upstream and add extra h/w support, I'd
+personally suggest that updates makes more sense in this case.
+
+Seems a few people are generally in favour of this. I'll push updates to
+the testing area and ask for feedback on the bug. If it helps the users
+then we can ask for a regression check from people via -discuss. Make sense?
+
+Col
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+<PRE>Le 07/07/2012 18:52, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Submitted to build system now along with a new plymouth. Don't forget to
+</I>&gt;<i> regenerate your initrd after updating dracut (also submitted) in order
+</I>&gt;<i> to use the new plymouth there.
+</I>BTW, if we're heading to a systemd-only setup, we might remove
+mkinitrd, and the cumbersome dacut usage of update-altenatives.
+--
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+<PRE>On Fri, 06 Jul 2012, Claire Robinson wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I said previously, this is being blown wildly out of proportion. In
+</I>&gt;<i> reality it centres around one packager and two bugs. In both these bugs the
+</I>&gt;<i> packager expected QA to validate updates where one was an xinetd service
+</I>&gt;<i> which expressly stated it was disabled by default but in actual fact was
+</I>&gt;<i> enabled and in the other a mailing list with a web interface which simply
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't work in it's default configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What it being thrown at us is that we are unreasonably expecting every
+</I>&gt;<i> single little bug to be fixed without any common and need to make drastic
+</I>&gt;<i> changes to our policies.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We attended the packager meeting on Wednesday to respond to this and
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss it. At the meeting it was agreed that we had not changed the way we
+</I>&gt;<i> have been doing things since day one and that the right way forward was to
+</I>&gt;<i> continue doing what we were doing, with both packagers and QA using common
+</I>&gt;<i> sense.
+</I>
+The argument you keep repeating about your opinion being common sense is
+insulting for the people who do not have the same opinion. You could at
+least admit that other people may have a different point of view,
+without saying they don't have common sense.
+
+&gt;<i> The following day the same far fetched accusations are thrown at us again,
+</I>&gt;<i> now escalated to the ML, suggesting we caused a months delay and suggesting
+</I>&gt;<i> a solution to the accusation being we begin to 'rubber stamp' security
+</I>&gt;<i> updates regardless of if they actually work or not or an internet facing
+</I>&gt;<i> service which says it's disabled is actually not so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In both cases there were simple ways to fix them. In one it was just to
+</I>&gt;<i> alter the description (2 minutes) so it didn't say it was disabled and in
+</I>&gt;<i> the other it was either to add a suggest or alter the default configuration
+</I>&gt;<i> so it didn't require the missing suggest (2 minutes).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have to use common sense in QA and only ask that, to avoid all this
+</I>&gt;<i> unpleasantness in the future, common sense is used by the packager also.
+</I>&gt;<i> All this is a reaction to 4 minutes of additional work. That is not common
+</I>&gt;<i> sense to me.
+</I>
+Of course if you considere packagers should blindly apply any change
+requested without any possible discussion because you decided it's common
+sense, it only takes 2 minutes. But conscientious packagers usually try
+to understand the problem they are fixing, think about the potential
+problems introduced by the change, look at the alternative solutions,
+etc ...
+
+Also adding new suggests or changing default configuration should be
+avoided in updates. The new suggest will be installed even for people
+who already have a working setup. And the configuration file will be
+updated for the people who did not need to modify it and don't
+necessarily expect this kind of change in an update.
+
+&gt;<i> If we're expected to validate updates in the state these two bugs reached
+</I>&gt;<i> us then we may as well not be here at all.
+</I>
+The goal of updates testing is to find regressions, not to do extensive
+testing to find new unrelated bugs. This kind of testing can be useful,
+but not as part of updates testing, and preferably on Cauldron.
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+ <B>Simple w</B>
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+ <I>Sun Jul 8 16:31:53 CEST 2012</I>
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+After running Mageia and a debian based distro Linuxmint, one thing
+appeared strange, after installing a rpm (that included .desktop
+files) the menu entry didnt appeared after the rpm installation, it
+takes about 10 seconds after the rpm install to have the new entries
+in the kde panel menu (or kmenu), and in the debian based distro the
+time between the package install and having the entries listed in
+kmenu was almost instant.
+
+Is this a problem thats only related with rpm packagement or could it
+be improved so that the menus could appear after the install in kmenu
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+regards,
+Pedro
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+There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated
+and are waiting to be pushed.
+
+Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
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+Thanks
+Claire
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 8 juillet 2012 13:49:36, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012, Claire Robinson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This has nothing to do with being rude.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As I said previously, this is being blown wildly out of proportion. In
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reality it centres around one packager and two bugs. In both these bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the packager expected QA to validate updates where one was an xinetd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; service which expressly stated it was disabled by default but in actual
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fact was enabled and in the other a mailing list with a web interface
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which simply couldn't work in it's default configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What it being thrown at us is that we are unreasonably expecting every
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; single little bug to be fixed without any common and need to make drastic
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; changes to our policies.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We attended the packager meeting on Wednesday to respond to this and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; discuss it. At the meeting it was agreed that we had not changed the way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we have been doing things since day one and that the right way forward
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; was to continue doing what we were doing, with both packagers and QA
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using common sense.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The argument you keep repeating about your opinion being common sense is
+</I>&gt;<i> insulting for the people who do not have the same opinion. You could at
+</I>&gt;<i> least admit that other people may have a different point of view,
+</I>&gt;<i> without saying they don't have common sense.
+</I>
+That's not what she said.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The following day the same far fetched accusations are thrown at us
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again, now escalated to the ML, suggesting we caused a months delay and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; suggesting a solution to the accusation being we begin to 'rubber stamp'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; security updates regardless of if they actually work or not or an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; internet facing service which says it's disabled is actually not so.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In both cases there were simple ways to fix them. In one it was just to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alter the description (2 minutes) so it didn't say it was disabled and in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the other it was either to add a suggest or alter the default
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; configuration so it didn't require the missing suggest (2 minutes).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have to use common sense in QA and only ask that, to avoid all this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; unpleasantness in the future, common sense is used by the packager also.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; All this is a reaction to 4 minutes of additional work. That is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; common sense to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course if you considere packagers should blindly apply any change
+</I>&gt;<i> requested without any possible discussion because you decided it's common
+</I>&gt;<i> sense, it only takes 2 minutes.
+</I>
+Are you really suggesting that's what Claire thinks or are you just trying to
+warm up the atmosphere?
+
+&gt;<i> But conscientious packagers usually try to understand the problem they are
+</I>&gt;<i> fixing, think about the potential problems introduced by the change, look at
+</I>&gt;<i> the alternative solutions, etc ...
+</I>
+Of course. Why do you seem to think that when a QA member raises a point
+he/she considers it's an order rather than a bug report?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also adding new suggests or changing default configuration should be
+</I>&gt;<i> avoided in updates. The new suggest will be installed even for people
+</I>&gt;<i> who already have a working setup. And the configuration file will be
+</I>&gt;<i> updated for the people who did not need to modify it and don't
+</I>&gt;<i> necessarily expect this kind of change in an update.
+</I>
+Point noted.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If we're expected to validate updates in the state these two bugs reached
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; us then we may as well not be here at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The goal of updates testing is to find regressions, not to do extensive
+</I>&gt;<i> testing to find new unrelated bugs. This kind of testing can be useful,
+</I>&gt;<i> but not as part of updates testing, and preferably on Cauldron.
+</I>
+This is the same kind of testing, we look for bugs then we can see if they are
+regressions or not. They don't have &quot;hey I'm a regression flag, test here!&quot;
+flags :)
+But I agree with the fact that only regressions can block an update, the other
+bugs being left to the packager's appreciation.
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated and
+</I>&gt;<i> are waiting to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
+</I>
+It would be better to ask on sysadmin list, anyway I could not find
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+<PRE>On 08/07/12 19:14, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Claire Robinson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are waiting to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be better to ask on sysadmin list, anyway I could not find
+</I>&gt;<i> the procedure to push updates :(
+</I>
+
+Thomas usually does it but hasn't been available much recently. I
+thought it best to ask, as there is a bit of a backlog. I'm not
+subscribed to sysadmin list, could you forward it please if you think
+it'll help.
+
+Thanks
+Claire
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/07/2012 22:18, Claire Robinson wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 08/07/12 19:14, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Claire Robinson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> are waiting to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be better to ask on sysadmin list, anyway I could not find
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the procedure to push updates :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas usually does it but hasn't been available much recently. I
+</I>&gt;<i> thought it best to ask, as there is a bit of a backlog. I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribed to sysadmin list, could you forward it please if you think
+</I>&gt;<i> it'll help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+He already did ;)
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+&gt;<i> On 08/07/12 19:14, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Claire Robinson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are currently a backlog of 30 updates which have been validated and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> are waiting to be pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Are any sysadmins on the list? Could somebody push these please.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be better to ask on sysadmin list, anyway I could not find
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the procedure to push updates :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas usually does it but hasn't been available much recently. I thought it
+</I>&gt;<i> best to ask, as there is a bit of a backlog. I'm not subscribed to sysadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> list, could you forward it please if you think it'll help.
+</I>
+I found a script tmb/admin/mga-send-update and tried to push libtiff
+to 1 but partially generated email does not match at all what is
+usually sent on the ML so I did not send it, I'd better wait for him
+to know how he does it :(
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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+<PRE>Simple w a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After running Mageia and a debian based distro Linuxmint, one thing
+</I>&gt;<i> appeared strange, after installing a rpm (that included .desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> files) the menu entry didnt appeared after the rpm installation, it
+</I>&gt;<i> takes about 10 seconds after the rpm install to have the new entries
+</I>&gt;<i> in the kde panel menu (or kmenu), and in the debian based distro the
+</I>&gt;<i> time between the package install and having the entries listed in
+</I>&gt;<i> kmenu was almost instant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this a problem thats only related with rpm packagement or could it
+</I>&gt;<i> be improved so that the menus could appear after the install in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> (without having to wait about 10 seconds)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Pedro
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I hadn't noticed that, but I'll look next time I install something.
+It could be unrelated to rpm, but more how xdg is implemented in Mageia
+vs Mint.
+(Since both would use xdg with .desktop files.)
+Mageia uses the same method with menus as Mandriva did, which
+accommodates both Gnome (which I use) and KDE. That could account for
+the delay.
+At least a 10-second delay isn't a major problem.
+
+Regards :)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 08/07/12 11:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 07/07/2012 18:52, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Submitted to build system now along with a new plymouth. Don't forget to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regenerate your initrd after updating dracut (also submitted) in order
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to use the new plymouth there.
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, if we're heading to a systemd-only setup, we might remove
+</I>&gt;<i> mkinitrd, and the cumbersome dacut usage of update-altenatives.
+</I>
+Yeah I agree, but I'd like to leave that until after the usr move stuff
+(which I will post about soonish) as I'd like to use a dracut version
+quite similar to that on mga2 such that the upgrade process can be
+managed easily.
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+Col
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+our current (and out of date) mediawiki package has the following layout:
+mediawiki-minimal: a normal mediawiki installation without math support
+mediawiki: a full installation including math support
+
+As of mediawiki-1.18 upstream has removed the math part from the main
+project into an external extension.
+So I could either:
+use mediawiki itself as a meta package, just requiring mediawiki-minimal
+and (the to be packaged) mediawiki-math which should not break any
+exisiting installation or I could rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki
+and package mediawiki-math as an additional extension.
+This would require people to install mediawiki-math manually after
+upgrading.
+
+What is the preferred way here?
+
+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> our current (and out of date) mediawiki package has the following layout:
+</I>&gt;<i> mediawiki-minimal: a normal mediawiki installation without math support
+</I>&gt;<i> mediawiki: a full installation including math support
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As of mediawiki-1.18 upstream has removed the math part from the main
+</I>&gt;<i> project into an external extension.
+</I>&gt;<i> So I could either:
+</I>&gt;<i> use mediawiki itself as a meta package, just requiring mediawiki-minimal
+</I>&gt;<i> and (the to be packaged) mediawiki-math which should not break any
+</I>&gt;<i> exisiting installation or I could rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and
+</I>&gt;<i> package mediawiki-math as an additional extension.
+</I>&gt;<i> This would require people to install mediawiki-math manually after
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrading.
+</I>
+Maybe you can rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and package
+mediawiki-math. And make mediawiki obsolete mediawiki-minimal &lt; 1.18
+and mediawiki-math obsolete mediawiki &lt; 1.18, so that the upgrade works.
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+&gt;<i> Maybe you can rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and package
+</I>&gt;<i> mediawiki-math. And make mediawiki obsolete mediawiki-minimal&lt; 1.18
+</I>&gt;<i> and mediawiki-math obsolete mediawiki&lt; 1.18, so that the upgrade works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep.
+I didn't think about that. But it's the best way imho.
+So the package names will be upstream names and we won't break existing
+installations!
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+Thx.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Could somebody add mga2 into check.mageia.org? Currently, it only
+</I>&gt;<i> shows cauldron and mga1.
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+&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+One thing that comes to mind now...
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+will the introducing of the deprecated hal on users systems give
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are. He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That's really sad to hear. I remember when Eugeni first joined
+Mandriva. His enthusiasm was inspirational.
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>
+This is sad news. He will be missed. :-(=
+Hopefully we'll see him on the other side.
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+<PRE>El lun, 09-07-2012 a las 11:48 -0700, David Walser escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are. He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are. He will be missed.
+</I>
+I'm sad to hear that.
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+resolve the current situation with updates management.
+
+QA has had a difficult time since Mageia started, its main goal being to
+improve the overall quality and image of the Mageia distribution.
+
+We all recognise that security updates are more important than other
+fixes, but technically if another fix can be made at the same time, and
+the packager agrees, then it should be done. An extra build on the
+buildsystem + mirroring to the primary mirrors takes just a few hours so
+it is not much of a delay.
+
+For optimum quality it is ideal to apply the fix in both stable and
+cauldron. We have to recognise though that we won't always have
+resources to fix everything, so we also have to accept that not all bugs
+will be fixed on stable.
+
+Another difficulty for the QA team is that many packages are new to them
+too, so it is a steep learning curve, which leads to many questions.
+
+QA has done a good job of trying to balance priorities. We have known
+critical fixes to be pushed really quickly through QA when the update
+request was thoroughly following the updates procedure, and/or the
+packager asked for fast QA since he underlined the bug as being _really_
+critical
+
+Here is what was agreed upon at Council to help both packagers and QA
+teams to work properly, in harmony, and improve the general process. The
+QA team will ask anything needed on bugs they hit (remember end users
+can/will hit the same things) even during security validation. These
+questions should be hounored and responded to, either with a &quot;will fix
+now&quot;, &quot;will fix later&quot; or &quot;wont fix&quot; type response, adding reasons in
+case it can't be fixed right now.
+
+We all need to remember that every one of us is contributing of our own
+free time, and no one person's time is any more &quot;important&quot; than another's.
+
+This mail also means that we will have no more discussion on this topic
+and should now close all pending discussions about all this. As a last
+reminder, please keep in mind our code of conduct
+(<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/code-of-conduct/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/code-of-conduct/</A>). Disagreements of this
+nature should be raised at council and resolved amicably.
+
+To this end, this email has been written by council representatives from
+both teams, following the council discussion, and is being sent to both
+Packaging and QA team mailing lists. Let us all please abide by it and
+move forward in a positive direction.
+
+Cheers and thanks
+
+--
+Anne
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+This is maybe a long shot, but is anyone going to GUADEC, who is also
+interested enough in accessibility stuff to attend the accessibility
+session?
+
+I'm sure they'll put stuff up after the conference is over, but it
+would be seriously good if a Mageia person could be in touch with the
+Gnome a11y folks. Unfortunately their irc meetings are on at horrible
+times for me...
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607
+Tue Jul 10 13:27:06 EST 2012
+GNU/Linux 1997-2012 #283226 counter.li.org
+hermes up 5 hour(s), 11 min.
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
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+<PRE>&#22312; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:48:02 +0800, David Walser
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know
+</I>&gt;<i> from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over
+</I>&gt;<i> the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are. He will be
+</I>&gt;<i> missed.
+</I>
+May him rest in peace.....
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+<PRE>Am 09.07.2012 11:34, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+&gt;<i> Am 09.07.2012 11:27, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe you can rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mediawiki-math. And make mediawiki obsolete mediawiki-minimal&lt; 1.18
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and mediawiki-math obsolete mediawiki&lt; 1.18, so that the upgrade works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't think about that. But it's the best way imho.
+</I>&gt;<i> So the package names will be upstream names and we won't break existing
+</I>&gt;<i> installations!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I built the packages now according to Nicolas' suggestion.
+You will find them in updates_testing.
+The problem is, the math extension doesn't work till now, I'm getting
+some error messages telling me, the latex things aren't setup correctly.
+According to a google search that does mean the apache user doesn't have
+the right permissions on those tools, which he does.
+I am trying to debug it further but perhaps someone else does have an
+idea. I would be greatful for it...
+
+Oliver
+
+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+&gt;<i> Am 09.07.2012 11:27, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe you can rename mediawiki-minimal to mediawiki and package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mediawiki-math. And make mediawiki obsolete mediawiki-minimal&lt; 1.18
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and mediawiki-math obsolete mediawiki&lt; 1.18, so that the upgrade works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't think about that. But it's the best way imho.
+</I>&gt;<i> So the package names will be upstream names and we won't break existing
+</I>&gt;<i> installations!
+</I>
+Obsoletes are nice, but the provides are the tricky parts. Someone who
+has mediawiki installed (with math support) won't get the
+mediawiki-math extension package after the upgrade.
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+<PRE>Since some days already, user interface of networmanager is quite
+unusable, as manually selecting any wifi network is impossible. Focus
+follows the mouse pointer, but clicking doesn't have any effect. It
+means than already configured networks will be used (networkmanager
+works), but it seems impossible to configure new networks.
+
+I tried to update to latest version (0.9.5.95), and also tried the UI
+patch available in fedora package, without success.
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+ <B>Stefano Negro</B>
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+I'd like to inform that we have a new mirror in Italy.
+Just start synchronization today at 15pm.
+I have filled in the mirrors.mageia.org.
+I hope that this could increase the Italian community as all initiatives
+all the team did.
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are. He will be missed.
+</I>Most certainly.. :'(
+
+I spent most of yesterday crying and crying over this..
+He's without doubt been one of the most kind, friendly and caring
+people that's ever passing by us, I don't think anyone's ever achieved
+anything nearby as for what a likable character goes.. :(
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i> Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After running Mageia and a debian based distro Linuxmint, one thing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appeared strange, after installing a rpm (that included .desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files) the menu entry didnt appeared after the rpm installation, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> takes about 10 seconds after the rpm install to have the new entries
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the kde panel menu (or kmenu), and in the debian based distro the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time between the package install and having the entries listed in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kmenu was almost instant.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a problem thats only related with rpm packagement or could it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be improved so that the menus could appear after the install in kmenu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (without having to wait about 10 seconds)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pedro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hadn't noticed that, but I'll look next time I install something.
+</I>&gt;<i> It could be unrelated to rpm, but more how xdg is implemented in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> vs Mint.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Since both would use xdg with .desktop files.)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia uses the same method with menus as Mandriva did, which
+</I>&gt;<i> accommodates both Gnome (which I use) and KDE. That could account for
+</I>&gt;<i> the delay.
+</I>
+That shouldn't really have an effect on the delay, it is just a
+different layout.
+
+Possibly
+a) Simple w didn't use KDE in Mint but another DE, which would affect
+ the speed (maybe the other DE detects changes more aggressively), or
+b) Mint somehow triggers menu update when a package is updated (not
+ as easy as one would think, as packages are updated by root
+ and menus are user-specific), or
+c) An interaction difference between apt and rpm which causes KDE to
+ detect menu file changes slower, or
+d) A KDE bug.
+
+&gt;<i> At least a 10-second delay isn't a major problem.
+</I>
+
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 21:08 +0200, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/7/9 David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are. He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Most certainly.. :'(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I spent most of yesterday crying and crying over this..
+</I>
+It's difficult to lose a friend, and there is much honour in admitting
+it.
+
+Can we name the next release after him?
+
+Liam
+
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+<PRE>Am 10.07.2012 21:41, schrieb Liam R E Quin:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 21:08 +0200, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/7/9 David Walser&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are. He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most certainly.. :'(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I spent most of yesterday crying and crying over this..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's difficult to lose a friend, and there is much honour in admitting
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we name the next release after him?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've never got to know him personally. Like most of us I only know him
+from the mls and irc.
+Bur it's still sad to see someone like him die in such a fashion.
+Iirc we don't have names for our release, but we could surely discuss it.
+
+Farewell Eugeni!
+
+Oliver
+
+--
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+<PRE>20.06.2012 00:55, Anssi Hannula kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> 17.06.2012 23:44, Simple w kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/6/17 Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (@shlomif, sorry for double post, I sent the previous one from an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unsubscribed address)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 06.06.2012 21:50, shlomif kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : libbsd Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 0.3.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3 Build Date: Wed Jun 6 20:50:30 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Development/C Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 105088 License: BSD and ISC and Copyright only and Public Domain
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/">http://libbsd.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Library providing BSD-compatible functions for portability
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libbsd provides useful functions commonly found on BSD systems, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lacking on others like GNU systems, thus making it easier to port
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> projects with strong BSD origins, without needing to embed the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> code over and over again on each project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 0.3.0-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 256602
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Correct the devel package Group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Correct the group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Bump the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix the man pages globs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + kamil &lt;kamil&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package libbsd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We already have a libbsd.a from glibc. This package will cause software
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> being linked with &quot;-lbsd&quot; to be linked against libbsd.so of libbsd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package instead of libbsd.a of glibc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Why do we need this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Its needed for bumblebee.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I remember you saying this when i asked you to review bumblebee
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages and i explained you why was needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems I was a bit unclear. I meant &quot;Why is it needed by bumblebee and
+</I>&gt;<i> why is glibc's libbsd.a not enough?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case, the packaging issue needs to be fixed by a library removal
+</I>&gt;<i> or a rename.
+</I>
+Ping?
+
+I guess I can look at this in a few weeks or so if no one else does...
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need to either rename or drop one of them (libbsd or libbsd.a from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> glibc), otherwise this will cause bad linking behavior.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I raised this originally in my libbsd.spec review at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-April/014102.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I hope the other points in the above review have been addressed (haven't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> checked yet).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Phoronix has reported that Eugeni Dodonov, a developer many of us know from his time working at Mandriva, has been killed in an accident over the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTEzNTk</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am very sad to learn of this, as I'm sure we all are. He will be missed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Really sad indeed.
+I didn't have direct contact with him, but from what I saw from his
+posts, etc on Mandriva and Mageia, it is evident that he was a really
+positive person who contributed a lot. Even to Mageia when it was
+starting out.
+Shame he had to go so young -- only 31 years old.
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+&gt;<i> Can we name the next release after him?
+</I>
+I like that idea. It got my vote.
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 10 July 2012 21:41, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can we name the next release after him?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like that idea. It got my vote.
+</I>
+Or add somewhere in the installer (splash screen or one of the images appearing
+during the package install) something like:
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+&quot;In memoram Eugeni Dodonov, Mageia contributor and friend&quot;
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+<PRE>2012/7/11 Malo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">malo at doc.ic.ac.uk</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 11/07/12 02:11, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 10 July 2012 21:41, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can we name the next release after him?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like that idea. It got my vote.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or add somewhere in the installer (splash screen or one of the images appearing
+</I>&gt;<i> during the package install) something like:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;In memoram Eugeni Dodonov, Mageia contributor and friend&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Malo
+</I>
+I'm agree with the proposotion of malo, because our release doesn't
+have name. But a phrase on the top of the installer would be very
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+There are a couple packages left still needing the old udev library and
+I'd like to get them sorted now.
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64udev0 libudev0
+chromium-browser-unstable
+chromium-browser-unstable
+enna
+enna
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+lib64zypp901
+libmyth0.24
+libudev0
+libzypp901
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+
+All the libs can be ignored as they are all no longer needed, so it's
+just enna and chromium-browser-unstable.
+
+For enna, it needs fixes for (I think) new GCC or newer libvalhalla, so
+it would be great if someone could look at that. I'm not familiar with
+the project, but I did find some references that it's more or less
+deprecated now (Geebox seems to have switched to xbmc as it's primary
+frontend:
+<A HREF="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws</A>)
+
+For chromium-browser-unstable I propose we just drop it. We can keep the
+-stable chromium named as it is just now although I would personally
+prefer to see it just called &quot;chromium-browser&quot; (as no other package has
+this strange naming policy and arguably many of them could if we shipped
+two versions). I don't see a problem re-introducing an -unstable variant
+again in the future, but unless someone is actively maintaining it it's
+arguably just getting in the way.
+
+Thoughts?
+
+(CC'ed TV as he has been the most frequent committed to -unstable of late)
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a couple packages left still needing the old udev library and
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to get them sorted now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64udev0 libudev0
+</I>&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64udev0
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64zypp901
+</I>&gt;<i> libmyth0.24
+</I>&gt;<i> libudev0
+</I>&gt;<i> libzypp901
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the libs can be ignored as they are all no longer needed, so it's
+</I>&gt;<i> just enna and chromium-browser-unstable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For enna, it needs fixes for (I think) new GCC or newer libvalhalla, so
+</I>&gt;<i> it would be great if someone could look at that. I'm not familiar with
+</I>&gt;<i> the project, but I did find some references that it's more or less
+</I>&gt;<i> deprecated now (Geebox seems to have switched to xbmc as it's primary
+</I>&gt;<i> frontend:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For chromium-browser-unstable I propose we just drop it. We can keep the
+</I>&gt;<i> -stable chromium named as it is just now although I would personally
+</I>&gt;<i> prefer to see it just called &quot;chromium-browser&quot; (as no other package has
+</I>&gt;<i> this strange naming policy and arguably many of them could if we shipped
+</I>&gt;<i> two versions). I don't see a problem re-introducing an -unstable variant
+</I>&gt;<i> again in the future, but unless someone is actively maintaining it it's
+</I>&gt;<i> arguably just getting in the way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (CC'ed TV as he has been the most frequent committed to -unstable of late)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i will update it soon ( today i hope )
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 11/07/12 09:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are a couple packages left still needing the old udev library and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to get them sorted now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64udev0 libudev0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64udev0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64zypp901
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libmyth0.24
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libudev0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libzypp901
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All the libs can be ignored as they are all no longer needed, so it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just enna and chromium-browser-unstable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For enna, it needs fixes for (I think) new GCC or newer libvalhalla, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it would be great if someone could look at that. I'm not familiar with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the project, but I did find some references that it's more or less
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> deprecated now (Geebox seems to have switched to xbmc as it's primary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> frontend:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For chromium-browser-unstable I propose we just drop it. We can keep the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -stable chromium named as it is just now although I would personally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prefer to see it just called &quot;chromium-browser&quot; (as no other package has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this strange naming policy and arguably many of them could if we shipped
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> two versions). I don't see a problem re-introducing an -unstable variant
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again in the future, but unless someone is actively maintaining it it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arguably just getting in the way.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (CC'ed TV as he has been the most frequent committed to -unstable of late)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i will update it soon ( today i hope )
+</I>
+Cool. I presume you mean the crhomium bit?
+
+What about the enna? Anyone know anything about that?
+
+Col
+
+
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+&gt;<i> Or add somewhere in the installer (splash screen or one of the images appearing
+</I>&gt;<i> during the package install) something like:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;In memoram Eugeni Dodonov, Mageia contributor and friend&quot;
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+&gt;<i> Since some days already, user interface of networmanager is quite
+</I>&gt;<i> unusable, as manually selecting any wifi network is impossible.
+</I>&gt;<i> Focus follows the mouse pointer, but clicking doesn't have any
+</I>&gt;<i> effect. It means than already configured networks will be used
+</I>&gt;<i> (networkmanager works), but it seems impossible to configure new
+</I>&gt;<i> networks.
+</I>
+Could you please file a bug upstream?
+
+&gt;<i> I tried to update to latest version (0.9.5.95), and also tried the
+</I>&gt;<i> UI patch available in fedora package, without success.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if the UI doesn't work, is there any documentation available
+</I>&gt;<i> about manually handling networkmanager configuration ?
+</I>
+You have nmcli, but no wireless on my Mageia machine.
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+
+This is just a message regarding the upcoming /usr move.
+
+The good news is that most of the hard work is already done by Fedora folk.
+
+There is still a bit to do but the process is actually quite simple.
+
+The steps are as follows:
+ 1. Release a dracut package that is capable of running the usermove on
+boot (or current package should be fine).
+ 2. Add a patch to RPM that introduces a new check that must pass before
+a given RPM can be installed.
+ 3. Create a new &quot;filesystem&quot; build that uses this check.
+
+
+The above process ensures that the new &quot;filesystem&quot; package cannot be
+installed on existing systems with the old layout.
+
+Several other packages will be subsequently broken (some packages ship
+their binaries in /bin but symlink them to /usr/bin but when /bin is
+itself a symlink to /usr/bin, they package ultimately conflicts with
+itself!). We need to identify such packages and fix them and have them
+ready to go. In order to do the transition correctly, we may need to fix
+them first, build them and then wait until all such packages are fixed,
+THEN update the filesystem rpm and then rebuild all such packages with a
+dep on the filesystem &gt; x package. This might be needed to avoid any
+problems on the build system chroots.
+
+During this window when packages are updated but do not depend on the
+new filesystem, some things might break as hard-coded paths may no
+longer work. I don't think this will affect the chroots and build system
+too much, but it might affect real systems if people do an auto-update.
+Therefore I'd propose to do this work at a time when people can be
+warned and there are a few of us about to fix things up on the chroots
+should things go wrong :)
+
+Once all this preparation work is done, users will find they cannot
+install the filesystem and the various packages that depend on it.
+
+In order to upgrade I will push a new package
+&quot;mageia-filesystem-update&quot;. This package will create a new initrd via
+dracut and add a menu option in the boot loader that will trigger
+dracut's built in migration routine. Users will then be requested to
+reboot using this option and then run the package updates.
+
+The new filesystem rpm can then remove this conversion package
+automatically (via conflicts, not obsoletes) if we think that's wise to
+do such housekeeping.
+
+
+
+In a set of follow up emails I'll post some results from investigations
+of what packages are affected by the change (preliminary checks are
+quite promising in that there are not too many packages that will need
+fixed - IIRC fedora found ~30 packages which isn't too bad).
+
+Please let me know if the process is not clear or you think I've missed
+something.
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+<A HREF="http://www.itworld.com/software/284729/mageia-linux-distro-rise?source=ITWNLE_nlt_linux_2012-07-10">http://www.itworld.com/software/284729/mageia-linux-distro-rise?source=ITWNLE_nlt_linux_2012-07-10</A>
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:52:17PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2. Add a patch to RPM that introduces a new check that must pass before
+</I>&gt;<i> a given RPM can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Create a new &quot;filesystem&quot; build that uses this check.
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> Several other packages will be subsequently broken (some packages ship
+</I>&gt;<i> their binaries in /bin but symlink them to /usr/bin but when /bin is
+</I>&gt;<i> itself a symlink to /usr/bin, they package ultimately conflicts with
+</I>&gt;<i> itself!). We need to identify such packages and fix them and have them
+</I>&gt;<i> ready to go. In order to do the transition correctly, we may need to fix
+</I>&gt;<i> them first, build them and then wait until all such packages are fixed,
+</I>&gt;<i> THEN update the filesystem rpm and then rebuild all such packages with a
+</I>&gt;<i> dep on the filesystem &gt; x package. This might be needed to avoid any
+</I>&gt;<i> problems on the build system chroots.
+</I>
+Shouldn't those packages also rely on the new RPM check? Or you mean
+just update those packages and don't allow for symlinks between /bin and
+/usr/bin (+same for sbin)?
+
+Would the new RPM do a runtime check to see if things have been
+migrated?
+
+Does Dracut usrmove handle the packages which at the moment contain
+symlinks (e.g. /bin/foo -&gt; /usr/bin/foo and e.g. /usr/bin/bar -&gt;
+/bin/bar)? Or should either dracut or the packages have conflicts to
+deal with this?
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 11/07/12 13:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:52:17PM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Add a patch to RPM that introduces a new check that must pass before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a given RPM can be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Create a new &quot;filesystem&quot; build that uses this check.
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Several other packages will be subsequently broken (some packages ship
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their binaries in /bin but symlink them to /usr/bin but when /bin is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> itself a symlink to /usr/bin, they package ultimately conflicts with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> itself!). We need to identify such packages and fix them and have them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ready to go. In order to do the transition correctly, we may need to fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them first, build them and then wait until all such packages are fixed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> THEN update the filesystem rpm and then rebuild all such packages with a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dep on the filesystem &gt; x package. This might be needed to avoid any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems on the build system chroots.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shouldn't those packages also rely on the new RPM check? Or you mean
+</I>&gt;<i> just update those packages and don't allow for symlinks between /bin and
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin (+same for sbin)?
+</I>
+They don't need to. Provided they &quot;Require(pre): filesystem &gt;= foo&quot; and
+rely on the check being in filesystem rpm packge. That prevents too many
+&quot;quirks&quot; being in too many packages (the error message would also be
+more confusing for users but a simple &quot;I need a newer filesystem
+package&quot; is a bit clearer.
+
+&gt;<i> Would the new RPM do a runtime check to see if things have been
+</I>&gt;<i> migrated?
+</I>
+Yes, this is what the patch does, but as mentioned it would only be the
+&quot;filesystem&quot; rpm that would actually implement this check.
+
+&gt;<i> Does Dracut usrmove handle the packages which at the moment contain
+</I>&gt;<i> symlinks (e.g. /bin/foo -&gt; /usr/bin/foo and e.g. /usr/bin/bar -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/bar)? Or should either dracut or the packages have conflicts to
+</I>&gt;<i> deal with this?
+</I>
+The code in dracut deals with this currently. It will overwrite symlinks
+with the real binary instead.
+
+The code is actually quite simple:
+
+/usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30convertfs/convertfs.sh
+
+
+There may be some junk left behind when packages provide separate
+binaries of the same name in /bin vs /usr/bin (and sbin), but this is
+relatively rare (although I will mention this more in my next message).
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 11/07/12 12:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> In a set of follow up emails I'll post some results from investigations
+</I>&gt;<i> of what packages are affected by the change (preliminary checks are
+</I>&gt;<i> quite promising in that there are not too many packages that will need
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed - IIRC fedora found ~30 packages which isn't too bad).
+</I>
+OK, here are some results from a small script I wrote.
+
+Firstly I ran two commands:
+
+urpmf ^/sbin | sort -u &gt;slash-sbin.txt
+urpmf ^/bin | sort -u &gt;slash-bin.txt
+
+
+
+Then ran the attached script on each which takes each package name and
+tries to find any conflicting files in /usr in other packages.
+
+Here are the results:
+
+/sbin:
+
+alsa-utils:self
+bluez:self
+davfs2:self
+info-install:dpkg
+iputils:self
+libselinux-utils:self
+ncpfs:self
+sound-scripts:self
+util-linux:self
+xfsdump:self
+zapata:dahdi-tools
+
+
+/bin:
+
+coreutils:heimdal-workstation
+findutils:self
+fuse:self
+gawk:self
+gettext-base:self
+gzip:self
+kbd:self
+kmod:self
+lsb-release:self
+open:self
+pdksh:self
+plymouth:self
+procps:self
+sound-scripts:self
+util-linux:heimdal-login shadow-utils
+
+
+
+As you can see the results are quite easy. Most of them &quot;self conflict&quot;
+which is a trivial fix in those packages.
+
+The ones that are actually mildly complicated are:
+
+info-install:dpkg
+zapata:dahdi-tools
+coreutils:heimdal-workstation
+util-linux:heimdal-login shadow-utils
+
+The heimdal-login issues should be mostly OK, as the package itself
+conflicts with util-linux, but the -workstation provides it's own &quot;su&quot;
+in /usr/bin. This is likely to be a problem in itself as I'm not sure
+any package can conflict with core-utils!! I don't know anything about
+heimdal, so anyone with expertise in the ins and outs of this should
+speak up!
+
+The Only other real problem is that we currently use &quot;login&quot; from
+shadow-utils (by virtue of it being in /usr/bin) but a /bin/login is
+provided by util-linux.
+
+It seems fedora use the util-linux one and remove binaries from
+shadow-utils they don't use. If no-one has any strong opinion or
+knowledge here I'll just follow that pattern.
+
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=shadow-utils.git;a=blob;f=shadow-utils.spec;hb=HEAD">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=shadow-utils.git;a=blob;f=shadow-utils.spec;hb=HEAD</A>
+
+
+
+I've not done checks in the various lib packages (for /lib and /lib64)
+but I suspect there will be less complications there anyway and mostly
+just self-conflicts.
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+Unless you have topics for tonight's meeting, we will delay it until
+next week. Please have a last look on features before friday 12h utc. We
+will then finalize the official list based on policy.
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+ <B>Jerome Quelin</B>
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+<PRE>hi,
+
+misc is no longer contributing afaik, yet he is still listed as
+maintainer for the following packages:
+
+ $ mgarepo maintdb get |egrep 'misc$'
+ bip misc
+ couchdb misc
+ desktopcouch misc
+ ebtables misc
+ facter misc
+ gajim misc
+ hping2 misc
+ irssi misc
+ libcgroup misc
+ libvirt misc
+ lsof misc
+ lxc misc
+ ndisc6 misc
+ netcf misc
+ openssh misc
+ patcher misc
+ postgrey misc
+ puppet misc
+ puppet-lint misc
+ python misc
+ python-couchdb misc
+ python-django misc
+ python-django-auth-ldap misc
+ python-django-countries misc
+ python-django-dpaste misc
+ python-django-haystack misc
+ python-django-keyedcache misc
+ python-django-mptt misc
+ python-django-piston misc
+ python-django-robots misc
+ python-django-simple-captcha misc
+ python-django-tracking misc
+ python-virtinst misc
+ python3 misc
+ qemu misc
+ quagga misc
+ radvd misc
+ rpmlint misc
+ rpmlint-mageia-policy misc
+ rpmlint-mandriva-policy misc
+ ruby-hiera misc
+ ruby-hiera-puppet misc
+ stompserver misc
+ supybot-Meetbot misc
+ tinyproxy misc
+ tmux misc
+ transifex misc
+ vde2 misc
+
+if people are interested by some of those packages, please state so and
+we'll ask sysadmins to change maintainer db.
+
+thanks,
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 11/07/12 09:07 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Guys,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are a couple packages left still needing the old udev library and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to get them sorted now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires lib64udev0 libudev0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> chromium-browser-unstable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> enna
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64udev0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64zypp901
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libmyth0.24
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libudev0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libzypp901
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All the libs can be ignored as they are all no longer needed, so it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just enna and chromium-browser-unstable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For enna, it needs fixes for (I think) new GCC or newer libvalhalla, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it would be great if someone could look at that. I'm not familiar with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the project, but I did find some references that it's more or less
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> deprecated now (Geebox seems to have switched to xbmc as it's primary
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> frontend:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/geexbox-devel/VC3WFx2h9ws</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For chromium-browser-unstable I propose we just drop it. We can keep the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -stable chromium named as it is just now although I would personally
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> prefer to see it just called &quot;chromium-browser&quot; (as no other package has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this strange naming policy and arguably many of them could if we shipped
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> two versions). I don't see a problem re-introducing an -unstable variant
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again in the future, but unless someone is actively maintaining it it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> arguably just getting in the way.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (CC'ed TV as he has been the most frequent committed to -unstable of late)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i will update it soon ( today i hope )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool. I presume you mean the crhomium bit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about the enna? Anyone know anything about that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+yes chromium :)
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+&gt;<i> misc is no longer contributing afaik, yet he is still listed as
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer for the following packages:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb get |egrep 'misc$'
+</I>[...]
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+I can take lsof.
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+&gt;<i> Jerome Quelin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> misc is no longer contributing afaik, yet he is still listed as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer for the following packages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb get |egrep 'misc$'
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lsof misc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can take lsof.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>_If_ I find some others who'd like to help me, I would take the python
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+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> various changes
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+<PRE>On 1 July 2012 17:02, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 5083 Author wally Date 2012-07-01 17:02:51 +0200 (Sun, 01 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fix Makefile
+</I>
+better be more descriptive (eg: &quot;fix cleandist rule&quot;)
+
+&gt;<i> Modified: mageia-xfce-config/trunk/Makefile
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- mageia-xfce-config/trunk/Makefile 2012-07-01 15:02:47 UTC (rev 5082)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ mageia-xfce-config/trunk/Makefile 2012-07-01 15:02:51 UTC (rev 5083)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -37,7 +37,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> install -m 644 Default/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml
+</I>&gt;<i> $(DESTDIR)$(xfceprofdir)/Default/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cleandist:
+</I>&gt;<i> - rm -rf $(PACKAGE)-$(VERSION) $(PACKAGE)-$(VERSION).tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> + rm -rf $(PACKAGE)-$(VERSION) $(PACKAGE)-$(VERSION).tar.xz
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> localcopy:
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 11 July 2012 15:40, Jerome Quelin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> facter misc
+</I>&gt;<i> irssi misc
+</I>&gt;<i> ndisc6 misc
+</I>&gt;<i> radvd misc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-hiera misc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-hiera-puppet misc
+</I>&gt;<i> stompserver misc
+</I>&gt;<i> tinyproxy misc
+</I>&gt;<i> tmux misc
+</I>
+I can take these. They seem simple enough for someone like me. ;-)=
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+&gt;<i> On 11 July 2012 03:15, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision 5134 Author boklm Date 2012-07-11 03:15:38 +0200 (Wed, 11 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; various changes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> how can we understand why stuff changed when looking back
+</I>&gt;<i> in 6 months ?
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+It's changes on something in developement that is not working and not
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+Thanks to those who have helped so far. I managed to wrangle a few of them myself yesterday too.
+
+......... updated initial message below ........
+
+There are several packages that need security updates that either have not been built yet, or there are some issues that need help and/or input from packagers.
+
+Please help out with these where you can.
+
+I'll try to organize these into categories and give a little info on them so it's easy to see if you can and want to help.
+
+Web apps
+--------
+dokuwiki - needs updated to 2012-01-25a version, already in Cauldron. Cauldron package does have a bug that needs fixing.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6166</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6480</A>
+
+ocsinventory - Mageia 1 package needs to be updated or patched (patches available from MDV)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129</A>
+
+mediawiki - versions we have are at or nearing EOL upstream, probably should be updated. Oliver Burger is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3448</A>
+
+wordpress - needs updated to 3.4.1, also QA has found some bugs in the current package. Damien Lallement is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4065</A>
+
+drupal - update built, issues found by QA need fixing. Oliver Burger is working on this.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844</A>
+
+GNOME software
+--------------
+libgdata - update needed for Mageia 1, may require patch or upgrade to libsoup
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6330</A>
+
+libvirt - patch available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6526</A>
+
+vte - vte3 still needs fixed in Mageia 2
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6161</A>
+
+gjs - doesn't rebuild against xulrunner in Mageia 1, but doesn't seem to be used by anything
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382</A>
+
+Games
+-----
+ioquake3, openarena, urbanterror, alienarena - affected by DoS bug in quake3 engine
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5496</A>
+
+Java-related
+------------
+jruby - just reported yesterday
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6742">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6742</A>
+
+poi - In progress by D Morgan. Additional updates pending.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6011</A>
+
+apache-commons-compress - In progress by D Morgan. Mageia 1 updates pending.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331</A>
+
+spring2 - In progress by D Morgan. Cauldron update pending.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625</A>
+
+Ruby-related
+------------
+Several security issues, one possible packaging issue
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6487</A>
+
+No response has been received from packagers yet
+------------------------------------------------
+avidemux/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg - should be able to borrow patches from mplayer for mga1 (ffmpeg git for mga2)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+
+graphicsmagick - needs updated to 1.3.16 or patch backported, upstream patch linked in bug
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6561</A>
+
+dropbear - Debian and upstream patches differ, no response received from upstream either. Patch proposed.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5611</A>
+
+abrt/libreport/btparser - should probably be upgraded to newer versions available from RedHat
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6523</A>
+
+sos - 62 patches available from Fedora
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6525</A>
+
+keepalived - possible patch from Gentoo for security issue, we have another open bug report too
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6743">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6743</A>
+
+x11-server - bug has links to upstream commits used to fix this
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6744">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6744</A>
+
+In progress (help needed to finish)
+-----------------------------------
+busybox - will not build in Cauldron, tmb blames uClibc, which won't build either
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6673</A>
+
+gc - links to upstream and Fedora patches available in bug, already fixed in Cauldron
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6652</A>
+
+v8/chromium - In progress by D Morgan. chromium won't build for Mageia 1.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6679</A>
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+&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> misc is no longer contributing afaik, yet he is still listed as
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer for the following packages:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ mgarepo maintdb get |egrep 'misc$'
+</I>&gt;<i> bip misc
+</I>&gt;<i> couchdb misc
+</I>&gt;<i> desktopcouch misc
+</I>&gt;<i> ebtables misc
+</I>&gt;<i> facter misc
+</I>&gt;<i> gajim misc
+</I>&gt;<i> hping2 misc
+</I>&gt;<i> irssi misc
+</I>&gt;<i> libcgroup misc
+</I>&gt;<i> libvirt misc
+</I>&gt;<i> lsof misc
+</I>&gt;<i> lxc misc
+</I>&gt;<i> ndisc6 misc
+</I>&gt;<i> netcf misc
+</I>&gt;<i> openssh misc
+</I>&gt;<i> patcher misc
+</I>&gt;<i> postgrey misc
+</I>&gt;<i> puppet misc
+</I>&gt;<i> puppet-lint misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-couchdb misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-auth-ldap misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-countries misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-dpaste misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-haystack misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-keyedcache misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-mptt misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-piston misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-robots misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-simple-captcha misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-django-tracking misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python-virtinst misc
+</I>&gt;<i> python3 misc
+</I>&gt;<i> qemu misc
+</I>&gt;<i> quagga misc
+</I>&gt;<i> radvd misc
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlint misc
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlint-mageia-policy misc
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlint-mandriva-policy misc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-hiera misc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-hiera-puppet misc
+</I>&gt;<i> stompserver misc
+</I>&gt;<i> supybot-Meetbot misc
+</I>&gt;<i> tinyproxy misc
+</I>&gt;<i> tmux misc
+</I>&gt;<i> transifex misc
+</I>&gt;<i> vde2 misc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if people are interested by some of those packages, please state so and
+</I>&gt;<i> we'll ask sysadmins to change maintainer db.
+</I>
+The packages are now assigned to nobody, and can be taken by interested
+packagers.
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+should we upgrade KDE in Cauldron from KDE-4.8.95 (4.9-RC1) to KDE-4.8.97
+(4.9-RC2)? Can I and my apprentices proceed with the upgrade procedure, as I've
+already done it for 4.8.95?
+
+I should note that I have already submitted kdelibs4-4.4.8.97 (though its build
+should be cancelled) because I was not aware of the proper procedure to follow.
+
+Regards,
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+ Shlomi Fish
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+*shlomif:* hack, hack, hack ; save ; make ; make test; commit. And start over.
+
+*mrjink:*hack, hack, hack; save; make; swear; fix typos; save; make; make
+test; swear some more; hack some more; save; make; make test; cheer; commit.
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+*meep:* hack, make, test, segfault, oh noes, revert to previous revision
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+&gt;<i> Hi mikala and all,
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i> should we upgrade KDE in Cauldron from KDE-4.8.95 (4.9-RC1) to KDE-4.8.97
+</I>&gt;<i> (4.9-RC2)?
+</I>&gt;<i>Can I and my apprentices proceed with the upgrade procedure, as I've
+</I>&gt;<i> already done it for 4.8.95?
+</I>&gt;<i> I should note that I have already submitted kdelibs4-4.4.8.97 (though its build
+</I>&gt;<i> should be cancelled) because I was not aware of the proper procedure to follow.
+</I>I'm not against upgrading KDE to rc2 as said before for rc1.
+I'm not having currently any computer to do the build for cauldron
+currently (i hope to receive it this week or eventually next week)
+However it seems it was not really done last time (but i was too busy
+to send an email but this time your mail is perfect about procedure) i
+really prefer to have it first
+ committed on svn which means that kde was *already successfully build
+ locally (in iurt if possible) before ever submitting it on svn.
+Once everything is commited on svn, then you send an email on -dev to
+(this is what i did before &amp; do later once i'm back on the road) on
+-devel to announce that you're going to push kde &amp; another one when
+everything is pushed.
+
+To push it on BS i highly suggest to use a stupid but working script
+named mgaqueue (available on github &amp; created by mjules).
+Pushing part of kde without announcing it at least is not a good idea
+(even if for example here kdelibs is supposed to be freeze stable )
+because you're going to break kde for users &amp; it is not because it's
+cauldron that i (as the kde maintainer ) feel ok to break cauldron's
+user box (kdepim/akonadi/nepomuk are already doing enough work for
+this).
+Ideally (but seems like i'm dreaming) you should also test the
+installation locally to detect most of the files conflicts before
+submitting to svn.
+Regarding your work &amp; your apprentice simplew i suggest that you
+rebuild locally (on your computer) thoses package since simplew seems
+to use sometimes it owns package &amp; not mageia's one which could cause
+some packaging error/issue eventually
+
+As a sidenote i'm of course happy that someone else wants to help on
+kde (please note that there's also a lot of bugs regarding kde &amp;
+mga1/mga2 where your help is also welcome :p )
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+ <B>Simple w</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+I see that gnome-tweak-tool crashes:
+
+]$ gnome-tweak-tool
+WARNING : Error detecting shell
+Traceback (most recent call last):
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell_extensions.py&quot;,
+line 149, in __init__
+ shell = GnomeShellFactory().get_shell()
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/utils.py&quot;, line 38, in
+getinstance
+ instances[cls] = cls()
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py&quot;,
+line 143, in __init__
+ proxy = _ShellProxy()
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py&quot;,
+line 44, in __init__
+ result, output = self.proxy.Eval('(s)', js)
+ File &quot;/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gi/overrides/Gio.py&quot;, line
+154, in __call__
+ None)
+ File &quot;/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gi/types.py&quot;, line 47, in function
+ return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
+GError: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The
+name org.gnome.Shell was not provided by any .service files
+Traceback (most recent call last):
+ File &quot;/usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool&quot;, line 76, in &lt;module&gt;
+ MainWindow()
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/mainwindow.py&quot;, line
+44, in __init__
+ model)
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweakview.py&quot;, line
+40, in __init__
+ self._model.load_tweaks()
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweakmodel.py&quot;, line
+135, in load_tweaks
+ mods = __import__(&quot;gtweak.tweaks&quot;, globals(), locals(),
+tweak_files, 0)
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_nautilus.py&quot;,
+line 48, in &lt;module&gt;
+ GSettingsSwitchTweak(&quot;org.gnome.nautilus.desktop&quot;,
+&quot;computer-icon-visible&quot;,
+schema_filename=&quot;org.gnome.nautilus.gschema.xml&quot;,group_name=TWEAK_GROUP_DESKTOP),
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/widgets.py&quot;, line 116,
+in __init__
+ _GSettingsTweak.__init__(self, schema_name, key_name, **options)
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/widgets.py&quot;, line 105,
+in __init__
+ options.get(&quot;summary&quot;,self.settings.schema_get_summary(key_name)),
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gsettings.py&quot;, line
+122, in schema_get_summary
+ return self._schema._schema[key][&quot;summary&quot;]
+KeyError: 'computer-icon-visible'
+
+]$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool
+gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-1.mga3
+
+seams that this package still wasnt updated to the new gnome version
+that now is landing in cauldron and thats why it crashes.
+Would it be possible for whos packaging gnome in cauldron to update
+this tool (since is much needed to configure gnome)?
+
+regards,
+Pedro
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 04:51:31AM +0100, Simple w wrote:
+&gt;<i> I see that gnome-tweak-tool crashes:
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> seams that this package still wasnt updated to the new gnome version
+</I>&gt;<i> that now is landing in cauldron and thats why it crashes.
+</I>&gt;<i> Would it be possible for whos packaging gnome in cauldron to update
+</I>&gt;<i> this tool (since is much needed to configure gnome)?
+</I>
+The sources are available at:
+<A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-tweak-tool/">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-tweak-tool/</A>
+
+3.4.0.1 is the latest version available.
+
+Note that gnome-tweak-tool is unmaintained. Maybe you want to assign it
+to yourself and package git or e.g. ask upstream to release a tarball?
+My focus is limited to packaging what is available.
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+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> hi guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This year, linuxfr gave a presentation at LSM. Look on the 5th slide
+</I>&gt;<i> of this talk ;)))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://linuxfr.org/images/historique/rmll2012/rmll2012_linuxfr_org.pdf">http://linuxfr.org/images/historique/rmll2012/rmll2012_linuxfr_org.pdf</A>
+</I>For those who are not fluent french-speaker, linuxfr is a french version
+of /.
+It's known as a site to inform on free software (between others topics),
+discuss and of course trolling
+Everything is voluntary-based and free-software made
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+<PRE>How about gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3?
+
+2012/7/12 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see that gnome-tweak-tool crashes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ]$ gnome-tweak-tool
+</I>&gt;<i> WARNING : Error detecting shell
+</I>&gt;<i> Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell_extensions.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> line 149, in __init__
+</I>&gt;<i> shell = GnomeShellFactory().get_shell()
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/utils.py&quot;, line 38, in
+</I>&gt;<i> getinstance
+</I>&gt;<i> instances[cls] = cls()
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> line 143, in __init__
+</I>&gt;<i> proxy = _ShellProxy()
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> line 44, in __init__
+</I>&gt;<i> result, output = self.proxy.Eval('(s)', js)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gi/overrides/Gio.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;<i> 154, in __call__
+</I>&gt;<i> None)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gi/types.py&quot;, line 47, in function
+</I>&gt;<i> return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
+</I>&gt;<i> GError: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The
+</I>&gt;<i> name org.gnome.Shell was not provided by any .service files
+</I>&gt;<i> Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool&quot;, line 76, in &lt;module&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> MainWindow()
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/mainwindow.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;<i> 44, in __init__
+</I>&gt;<i> model)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweakview.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;<i> 40, in __init__
+</I>&gt;<i> self._model.load_tweaks()
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweakmodel.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;<i> 135, in load_tweaks
+</I>&gt;<i> mods = __import__(&quot;gtweak.tweaks&quot;, globals(), locals(),
+</I>&gt;<i> tweak_files, 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_nautilus.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> line 48, in &lt;module&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> GSettingsSwitchTweak(&quot;org.gnome.nautilus.desktop&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;computer-icon-visible&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> schema_filename=&quot;org.gnome.nautilus.gschema.xml&quot;,group_name=TWEAK_GROUP_DESKTOP),
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/widgets.py&quot;, line 116,
+</I>&gt;<i> in __init__
+</I>&gt;<i> _GSettingsTweak.__init__(self, schema_name, key_name, **options)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/widgets.py&quot;, line 105,
+</I>&gt;<i> in __init__
+</I>&gt;<i> options.get(&quot;summary&quot;,self.settings.schema_get_summary(key_name)),
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gsettings.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;<i> 122, in schema_get_summary
+</I>&gt;<i> return self._schema._schema[key][&quot;summary&quot;]
+</I>&gt;<i> KeyError: 'computer-icon-visible'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> seams that this package still wasnt updated to the new gnome version
+</I>&gt;<i> that now is landing in cauldron and thats why it crashes.
+</I>&gt;<i> Would it be possible for whos packaging gnome in cauldron to update
+</I>&gt;<i> this tool (since is much needed to configure gnome)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Pedro
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+I know pretty much nothing about TCB authentication stuff that was
+initially spearheaded by Vincent Danen many years ago in the Mandriva
+days (taking work from his Anvix project IIRC)
+
+Our shadow-utils package (basically no different to Mandriva's) had one
+large patch relating to TCB that I've now dropped as upstream
+shadow-utils now has it's own TCB support.
+
+It required a couple build fixes (nothing too crazy) and things seem to
+work still for me.
+
+I've also dropped a few binaries we do not use or are provided by other
+packages (sometimes in different paths e.g. /bin/login vs. /usr/bin/login).
+
+Everything still seems to work for me. I can login, create users, su to
+other users etc. etc (although only the creation of users actually uses
+the stuff in this package and I didn't know how to provide an encrypted
+password when testing that, so not sure if my tests are even vaguely valid!)
+
+Please test before I release it on the rest of Cauldron.
+
+Anyone who has any specific knowledge of this package I would very much
+appreciate a review.
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/shadow-utils/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/shadow-utils/current/</A>
+
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+<PRE>Hiya Vincent,
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+Thanks for replying.
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+'Twas brillig, and Vincent Danen at 12/07/12 15:58 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * [2012-07-12 15:42:45 +0100] Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know pretty much nothing about TCB authentication stuff that was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initially spearheaded by Vincent Danen many years ago in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> days (taking work from his Anvix project IIRC)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Our shadow-utils package (basically no different to Mandriva's) had one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> large patch relating to TCB that I've now dropped as upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shadow-utils now has it's own TCB support.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It required a couple build fixes (nothing too crazy) and things seem to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work still for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've also dropped a few binaries we do not use or are provided by other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages (sometimes in different paths e.g. /bin/login vs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/bin/login).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Everything still seems to work for me. I can login, create users, su to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other users etc. etc (although only the creation of users actually uses
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the stuff in this package and I didn't know how to provide an encrypted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> password when testing that, so not sure if my tests are even vaguely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> valid!)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please test before I release it on the rest of Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone who has any specific knowledge of this package I would very much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appreciate a review.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/shadow-utils/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/shadow-utils/current/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've not looked at or used tcb for a few years; very cool that it's in
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream shadow-utils now though! If you have specific questions or
+</I>&gt;<i> concerns, I'd suggest getting in touch with Solar Designer (the author
+</I>&gt;<i> of the tcb suite). From what I know, not much in it has changed in the
+</I>&gt;<i> last few years, so provided that upstream's implementation is correct,
+</I>&gt;<i> there should be no problem. If you can authenticate against it
+</I>&gt;<i> properly, which it sounds like, then I think you're ok (although a
+</I>&gt;<i> manual test of user creation and user removal, as well as password
+</I>&gt;<i> changes, would likely be viable tests to run as well).
+</I>
+
+The only issue is that the password changes come from the passwd package
+(the passwd implementation from shadow-utils is basically dropped (same
+as on fedora)), so I'm not sure how valid some of the tests are!! But by
+the same token, if these are separate anyway then there is less in the
+way of new stuff that needs testing anyway, so that's good :D
+
+When I last looked at updating shadow (a good few months ago) the tcb
+implementation upstream looked a bit different to the one from your
+patch but it did use some of the same file names (tcbfuncs.c) and
+function names.
+
+All fun and games :)
+
+Col
+
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+Am I right in saying that dahdi should obsolete zapata?
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+It currently has filename conflicts (if you consider /sbin and /usr/sbin
+to be the same dir) that I need to resolve before the usr move.
+
+Can I just Obsolete zapata in dahdi?
+
+Col
+
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 04:51:31AM +0100, Simple w wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see that gnome-tweak-tool crashes:
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seams that this package still wasnt updated to the new gnome version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that now is landing in cauldron and thats why it crashes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would it be possible for whos packaging gnome in cauldron to update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this tool (since is much needed to configure gnome)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The sources are available at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-tweak-tool/">http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-tweak-tool/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.4.0.1 is the latest version available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that gnome-tweak-tool is unmaintained. Maybe you want to assign it
+</I>&gt;<i> to yourself and package git or e.g. ask upstream to release a tarball?
+</I>&gt;<i> My focus is limited to packaging what is available.
+</I>
+I didnt knew that gnome-tweak-tool is no longer maintained, and since
+it was crashing i thought it could be somehow forgotten to package a
+new version, im still new to this and i should have first checked the
+source file, sorry for the confusion.
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 08:14:18PM +0100, Simple w wrote:
+&gt;<i> I didnt knew that gnome-tweak-tool is no longer maintained, and since
+</I>&gt;<i> it was crashing i thought it could be somehow forgotten to package a
+</I>&gt;<i> new version, im still new to this and i should have first checked the
+</I>&gt;<i> source file, sorry for the confusion.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 08:14:18PM +0100, Simple w wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I didnt knew that gnome-tweak-tool is no longer maintained, and since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it was crashing i thought it could be somehow forgotten to package a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new version, im still new to this and i should have first checked the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> source file, sorry for the confusion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean no maintainer / packager at Mageia. You're a packager right?
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+&gt;<i> How about gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3?
+</I>
+I have updated the mirrors and that release doesnt exist, are you
+talking about rebuild it?
+
+&gt;<i> 2012/7/12 Simple w &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see that gnome-tweak-tool crashes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ gnome-tweak-tool
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WARNING : Error detecting shell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell_extensions.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> line 149, in __init__
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shell = GnomeShellFactory().get_shell()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/utils.py&quot;, line 38, in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> getinstance
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instances[cls] = cls()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> line 143, in __init__
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proxy = _ShellProxy()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> line 44, in __init__
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> result, output = self.proxy.Eval('(s)', js)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gi/overrides/Gio.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 154, in __call__
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> None)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gi/types.py&quot;, line 47, in function
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GError: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> name org.gnome.Shell was not provided by any .service files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool&quot;, line 76, in &lt;module&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MainWindow()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/mainwindow.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 44, in __init__
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> model)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweakview.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 40, in __init__
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> self._model.load_tweaks()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweakmodel.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 135, in load_tweaks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mods = __import__(&quot;gtweak.tweaks&quot;, globals(), locals(),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tweak_files, 0)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_nautilus.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> line 48, in &lt;module&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GSettingsSwitchTweak(&quot;org.gnome.nautilus.desktop&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;computer-icon-visible&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> schema_filename=&quot;org.gnome.nautilus.gschema.xml&quot;,group_name=TWEAK_GROUP_DESKTOP),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/widgets.py&quot;, line 116,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in __init__
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _GSettingsTweak.__init__(self, schema_name, key_name, **options)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/widgets.py&quot;, line 105,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in __init__
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> options.get(&quot;summary&quot;,self.settings.schema_get_summary(key_name)),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gsettings.py&quot;, line
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 122, in schema_get_summary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> return self._schema._schema[key][&quot;summary&quot;]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> KeyError: 'computer-icon-visible'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/gnome-tweak-tool
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seams that this package still wasnt updated to the new gnome version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that now is landing in cauldron and thats why it crashes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would it be possible for whos packaging gnome in cauldron to update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this tool (since is much needed to configure gnome)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pedro
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+&gt;<i> 2012/7/12 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How about gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3?
+</I>&gt;<i> I have updated the mirrors and that release doesnt exist, are you
+</I>&gt;<i> talking about rebuild it?
+</I>Maybe your mirror doesn't sync that often then.
+You can get it from here for example:
+<A HREF="http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3.noarch.rpm">http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3.noarch.rpm</A>
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+ _If_ I find some others who'd like to help me, I would take the python stuff... -- Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca Mageia contributor
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+&gt;<i> 12.07.2012 23:22, Simple w kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/7/12 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have updated the mirrors and that release doesnt exist, are you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> talking about rebuild it?
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe your mirror doesn't sync that often then.
+</I>&gt;<i> You can get it from here for example:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3.noarch.rpm">http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3.noarch.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes i have installed that new package, i login to gnome classic but i
+continue having the same problem, and i also dont get the keyboard
+layout in my native and i have started with a new user.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/7/12 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 12.07.2012 23:22, Simple w kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/7/12 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have updated the mirrors and that release doesnt exist, are you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> talking about rebuild it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe your mirror doesn't sync that often then.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can get it from here for example:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3.noarch.rpm">http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/core/release/gnome-tweak-tool-3.4.0.1-2.mga3.noarch.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes i have installed that new package, i login to gnome classic but i
+</I>&gt;<i> continue having the same problem, and i also dont get the keyboard
+</I>&gt;<i> layout in my native and i have started with a new user.
+</I>
+
+I noticed during an update the other day that my keyboard layout was
+reset too. I just fixed it in the system settings and all was well. Not
+looked into why yet.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+Hi,
+I have no idea what you are talking about but, according to Wikipedia,
+Zapata died on April 10, 1919 (aged 39) in Chinameca, Morelos, Mexico
+so yes he is dead now :)
+
+&gt;<i> Am I right in saying that dahdi should obsolete zapata?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It currently has filename conflicts (if you consider /sbin and /usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;<i> to be the same dir) that I need to resolve before the usr move.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can I just Obsolete zapata in dahdi?
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+<PRE>Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no idea what you are talking about but, according to Wikipedia,
+</I>&gt;<i> Zapata died on April 10, 1919 (aged 39) in Chinameca, Morelos, Mexico
+</I>&gt;<i> so yes he is dead now :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+:<i>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am I right in saying that dahdi should obsolete zapata?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It currently has filename conflicts (if you consider /sbin and /usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be the same dir) that I need to resolve before the usr move.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can I just Obsolete zapata in dahdi?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I can help with Django. And Python3 packages and subpackages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Good to hear that.
+I was hoping you'd say so.
+I took python, python-django and python3 as maintainer but not the
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+I am browsing trough the bugzilla, looking for what people want to have package, and I notice they are missing some packages that exists in mdv.
+but i am unsure on what to do with the mkrel when importing mdv packages. Some of the packages may have, say &quot;%mkrel 4&quot;.
+Do I increase the mkrel, or should I reset it to 1 when importing and pushing to Cauldron?
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+
+Hi.
+I am browsing trough the bugzilla, looking for what people want to have package, and I notice they are missing some packages that exists in mdv.
+but i am unsure on what to do with the mkrel when importing mdv packages. Some of the packages may have, say &quot;%mkrel 4&quot;.
+Do I increase the mkrel, or should I reset it to 1 when importing and pushing to Cauldron?
+
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+&gt;<i> Let it to 4 to let the possibility to upgrade from mandriva, I think!
+</I>&gt;<i> -----Original Message-----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:50:12
+</I>&gt;<i> To:&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Reply-To: Mageia development mailing-list&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am browsing trough the bugzilla, looking for what people want to have package, and I notice they are missing some packages that exists in mdv.
+</I>&gt;<i> but i am unsure on what to do with the mkrel when importing mdv packages. Some of the packages may have, say &quot;%mkrel 4&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Do I increase the mkrel, or should I reset it to 1 when importing and pushing to Cauldron?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'd say increase it (from 4 to 5). I'm not sure which will be newer for
+rpm 4mdv or 4.mga, but you are on the safe side, when increasing it to 5.
+
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no idea what you are talking about but, according to Wikipedia,
+</I>&gt;<i> Zapata died on April 10, 1919 (aged 39) in Chinameca, Morelos, Mexico
+</I>&gt;<i> so yes he is dead now :)
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+Thanks for the info... although now I'm a little confused as to which
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+&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am browsing trough the bugzilla, looking for what people want to have package, and I notice they are missing some packages that exists in mdv.
+</I>&gt;<i> but i am unsure on what to do with the mkrel when importing mdv packages. Some of the packages may have, say &quot;%mkrel 4&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Do I increase the mkrel, or should I reset it to 1 when importing and pushing to Cauldron?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yup as others have said it's likely best to bump release up one when
+importing.
+
+My only comment would be to ensure you import the srpm from the mirrors,
+not checked out from subversion as the former will contain the full
+changelog which we want to preserve.
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+Also, please use -l &quot;Imported Mandriva package&quot; (or similar wording)
+when calling putsrpm to correctly attribute the source.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> My only comment would be to ensure you import the srpm from the mirrors,
+</I>&gt;<i> not checked out from subversion as the former will contain the full
+</I>&gt;<i> changelog which we want to preserve.
+</I>
+I always do that, whenever possible. :-)=
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+&gt;<i> Also, please use -l &quot;Imported Mandriva package&quot; (or similar wording)
+</I>&gt;<i> when calling putsrpm to correctly attribute the source.
+</I>
+Aha. I've been looking for that switch, and the documentation says to use -m, which it then claim doesn't exist. So I've used svn propedit to fix it, untill now.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 13/07/12 09:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Also, please use -l &quot;Imported Mandriva package&quot; (or similar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wording) when calling putsrpm to correctly attribute the source.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Aha. I've been looking for that switch, and the documentation says to
+</I>&gt;<i> use -m, which it then claim doesn't exist. So I've used svn propedit
+</I>&gt;<i> to fix it, untill now.
+</I>
+Yeah we should really fix that the help is wrong on that regard.
+
+I've also wanted to add svn:ignore props when uploading/deleteing
+binaries too, but meh, I've enough other things to do!
+
+Col
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+
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+ Package Version Release Arch
+(medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)
+ akonadi-kde 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+ konsole-doc 4.8.97 1.mga3 noarch
+ lib64akonadi-filestore4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+ lib64akonadi-xml4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+ lib64audiocdplugins4 4.8.97 1.mga3 x86_64
+ lib64kdepim-copy4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+ lib64maildir4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+345KB of additional disk space will be used.
+2.5MB of packages will be retrieved.
+Proceed with the installation of the 7 packages? (Y/n)
+
+
+installing akonadi-kde-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+lib64akonadi-xml4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+lib64audiocdplugins4-4.8.97-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+lib64maildir4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+konsole-doc-4.8.97-1.mga3.noarch.rpm
+lib64akonadi-filestore4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+lib64kdepim-copy4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Preparing...
+##########################################################################################################################
+Installation failed: file /usr/bin/akonadi_googlecalendar_resource
+from install of akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+from package akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/bin/akonadi_googlecontacts_resource from install of
+akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/share/akonadi/agents/googlecalendarresource.desktop
+from install of akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+from package akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+ file /usr/share/akonadi/agents/googlecontactsresource.desktop
+from install of akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+from package akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 15:26:00 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Seems there are missing conflicts/obsoletes...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> Package Version Release Arch
+</I>&gt;<i> (medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i> akonadi-kde 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> konsole-doc 4.8.97 1.mga3 noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64akonadi-filestore4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64akonadi-xml4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64audiocdplugins4 4.8.97 1.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64kdepim-copy4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64maildir4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 345KB of additional disk space will be used.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.5MB of packages will be retrieved.
+</I>&gt;<i> Proceed with the installation of the 7 packages? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> installing akonadi-kde-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64akonadi-xml4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64audiocdplugins4-4.8.97-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64maildir4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> konsole-doc-4.8.97-1.mga3.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64akonadi-filestore4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64kdepim-copy4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;<i> ############################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> ############################################## Installation failed: file
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/akonadi_googlecalendar_resource from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/bin/akonadi_googlecontacts_resource from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/share/akonadi/agents/googlecalendarresource.desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> from install of akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;<i> from package akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/share/akonadi/agents/googlecontactsresource.desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> from install of akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;<i> from package akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>
+Hello thomas,
+
+can you test next akonadi-kde ? this should fix the conflict.
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+<PRE>13.07.2012 17:29, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil skrev:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 15:26:00 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seems there are missing conflicts/obsoletes...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Package Version Release Arch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (medium &quot;Core Release&quot;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> akonadi-kde 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> konsole-doc 4.8.97 1.mga3 noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64akonadi-filestore4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64akonadi-xml4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64audiocdplugins4 4.8.97 1.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kdepim-copy4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64maildir4 4.8.97 2.mga3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 345KB of additional disk space will be used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2.5MB of packages will be retrieved.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Proceed with the installation of the 7 packages? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing akonadi-kde-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64akonadi-xml4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64audiocdplugins4-4.8.97-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64maildir4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> konsole-doc-4.8.97-1.mga3.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64akonadi-filestore4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64kdepim-copy4-4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ############################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ############################################## Installation failed: file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/bin/akonadi_googlecalendar_resource from install of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/bin/akonadi_googlecontacts_resource from install of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/share/akonadi/agents/googlecalendarresource.desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from install of akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from package akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/share/akonadi/agents/googlecontactsresource.desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from install of akonadi-kde-2:4.8.97-2.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from package akonadi-google-0.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello thomas,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can you test next akonadi-kde ? this should fix the conflict.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep. issue fixed, thanks.
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+&gt;<i> Name : python-gobject3 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.3.3.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3 Build Date: Fri Jul 13 04:39:01 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Development/Python Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 593751 License: LGPLv2+ and MIT
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org">http://www.gnome.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Python bindings for GObject Introspection
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The python-gobject3 package provides a convenient wrapper for the GObject library
+</I>&gt;<i> for use in Python programs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3.3.3.1-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 270525
+</I>&gt;<i> - do not requires python-gi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There's a file which is pkg'd twice:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">wally at samsung</A> ~]$ rpm -qf /usr/lib/libpyglib-gi-2.0-python3.so.0
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+<PRE>Ah, yes. Should be fixed now.
+
+2012/7/13 Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 13.07.2012 05:40, fwang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : python-gobject3 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.3.3.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3 Build Date: Fri Jul 13 04:39:01 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Development/Python Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 593751 License: LGPLv2+ and MIT
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.gnome.org">http://www.gnome.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Python bindings for GObject Introspection
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The python-gobject3 package provides a convenient wrapper for the GObject library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for use in Python programs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3.3.3.1-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 270525
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - do not requires python-gi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's a file which is pkg'd twice:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">wally at samsung</A> ~]$ rpm -qf /usr/lib/libpyglib-gi-2.0-python3.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> libpyglib-gi2.0_0-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> python3-gobject3-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Buchan Milne</B>
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+<PRE>On Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:34:02 David Walser wrote:
+&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nobody is in charge, which is part of the problem. I think a lot of us
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers come from Mandriva where we were used to Oden being in charge of
+</I>&gt;<i> updates for stable distros, and therefore not having to worry about it.
+</I>
+While Mandriva had a security team (before Oden, Stew, and before that Stew
+and Vince). However, that doesn't mean you never had to worry about anything.
+
+&gt;<i> We
+</I>&gt;<i> are a community distro, we have no paid security manager. It is all of our
+</I>&gt;<i> responsibility to do security updates for stable distros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as what kind of help is expected, it varies per bug really. Some of
+</I>&gt;<i> them have maintainers that might want to give input. Some I would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> know from someone else more experienced or who has more at stake in a
+</I>&gt;<i> package how to handle an update when there are choices. Sometimes other
+</I>&gt;<i> distros have pushed an updated (bugfix-only) version, or patched other bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> as well, rather than just patched the security bug.
+</I>
+IMHO, for a security, the priority is to get the patched binaries out to
+vulnerable users as soon as possible.
+
+If there is a pre-existing minor issue with the originally released package
+which an experienced user of the software in question can get around without
+any problems, a separate bug should be filed, but the minor issue should
+*NEVER* delay the update.
+
+If the software doesn't start with the default config, the user isn't
+vulnerable, and we can take more time to fix their problem.
+
+If the admin has fixed the default config issue, then THEY ARE VULNERABLE. For
+*SECURITY* bugs, addressing their vulnerability is the priority.
+
+Otherwise, we may as well not distinguish between bugfix and security updates.
+
+My expectation is that:
+1)Old security fixes should have the highest priority
+2)Any new security fix should have higher priority than any bugfix
+3)Security updates should be provided within 1 week max
+
+Yes, QA team doesn't have enough resources. Guess what, neither do other
+teams. But, for me, it was frustrating to dedicate time (when I really didn't
+have it) to provide packages within 48 hours (24 for Mageia 2), and then have
+a 3-4 week delay in validation, mainly because of some minor pre-existing
+issues with the Mageia 1 package (which had been solved in the Mageia 2 relase
+package).
+
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+<PRE>Le 13/07/2012 10:13, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 13/07/12 01:23 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have no idea what you are talking about but, according to Wikipedia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Zapata died on April 10, 1919 (aged 39) in Chinameca, Morelos, Mexico
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so yes he is dead now :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the info... although now I'm a little confused as to which
+</I>&gt;<i> package to put the Obsoletes in..... :p
+</I>Subcomandante Marcos maybe ?
+--
+BOFH excuse #13:
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+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Buchan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Buchan please refer here:
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+&gt;<i> Seems there are missing conflicts/obsoletes...
+</I>[...]
+Yep that's why i suggested to test locally package before submitting them...
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 15:26:00 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> can you test next akonadi-kde ? this should fix the conflict.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks for fixing it ;)
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 13/07/12 09:39 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Also, please use -l &quot;Imported Mandriva package&quot; (or similar
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wording) when calling putsrpm to correctly attribute the source.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Aha. I've been looking for that switch, and the documentation says to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use -m, which it then claim doesn't exist. So I've used svn propedit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to fix it, untill now.
+</I>It's correct in the packaging wiki - I corrected it ;)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah we should really fix that the help is wrong on that regard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I posted a patch for that in the bug report - which does cc the maintainer.
+
+&gt;<i> I've also wanted to add svn:ignore props when uploading/deleteing
+</I>&gt;<i> binaries too, but meh, I've enough other things to do!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+dmorgan wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : chromium-browser-unstable Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 21.0.1180.15 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Fri Jul 13 03:32:19 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;<i> Networking/WWW Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> 303305940 License: BSD, LGPL Signature :
+</I>&gt;<i> (none) Packager : dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
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+
+This is the Same version as chromium-browser-beta which you uploaded
+Wed.
+
+
+ Charles
+
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 04:24:59 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> dmorgan wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : chromium-browser-unstable Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 21.0.1180.15 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fri Jul 13 03:32:19 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Networking/WWW Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 303305940 License: BSD, LGPL Signature :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (none) Packager : dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the Same version as chromium-browser-beta which you uploaded
+</I>&gt;<i> Wed.
+</I>
+Because it needed to be rebuilded for new udev and a new version is
+under progress ( 22.0.1205.0 )
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 13/07/12 16:30 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 2 July 2012 09:24, ovitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.5.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 266610
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - enable upstream plymouth support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - drop patches which do not apply
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not rediff them???
+</I>
+I think in this case it's a non-optimal commit message. The non-applying
+patches are ones which relate to plymouth support and are now
+implemented upstream (perhaps in a slightly different way - I've not
+looked).
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> wally &lt;wally&gt; 2:1.7.5-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 270689
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild due to a missing i586 pkgs
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+Looks like this happen often recently.
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+&gt;<i> On 14 July 2012 10:54, wally&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wally&lt;wally&gt; 2:1.7.5-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 270689
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild due to a missing i586 pkgs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks like this happen often recently.
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be better to fix the root cause in the BS
+</I>
+If I'm not wrong it's fixed, due to /tmp filesystem too small
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+&gt;<i> Le 14/07/2012 13:27, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 14 July 2012 10:54, wally&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wally&lt;wally&gt; 2:1.7.5-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 270689
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild due to a missing i586 pkgs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looks like this happen often recently.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be better to fix the root cause in the BS
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I'm not wrong it's fixed, due to /tmp filesystem too small
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hm, why is it using /tmp at all ?
+
+It should use the fast ssd for everything...
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+&gt;<i> Le 14/07/2012 13:27, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 14 July 2012 10:54, wally&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wally&lt;wally&gt; 2:1.7.5-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 270689
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild due to a missing i586 pkgs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looks like this happen often recently.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be better to fix the root cause in the BS
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I'm not wrong it's fixed, due to /tmp filesystem too small
+</I>
+yes fixed by pterjan.
+
+rpmlint copy rpms in /tmp to do the check and as you told it was too
+small and so only some files were copied on the repo.
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+ <I>Sat Jul 14 14:14:25 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+As it could not be rebuilt for new udev, I've now dropped the package
+&quot;enna&quot;.
+
+It would not build with the latest Elementary libs and it doesn't look
+like it will get another release and has been abandoned upstream.
+
+I'm not sure, but I think &quot;enjoy&quot; might go some way to replace enna and
+geexbox has now switched to xbmc as it's frontend.
+
+If someone wants to fix it up, they are most welcome. It's in the
+obsolete tree in subversion, so just move it back out of that if you
+have fixed it.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 12/07/12 15:42 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know pretty much nothing about TCB authentication stuff that was
+</I>&gt;<i> initially spearheaded by Vincent Danen many years ago in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> days (taking work from his Anvix project IIRC)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Our shadow-utils package (basically no different to Mandriva's) had one
+</I>&gt;<i> large patch relating to TCB that I've now dropped as upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> shadow-utils now has it's own TCB support.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It required a couple build fixes (nothing too crazy) and things seem to
+</I>&gt;<i> work still for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've also dropped a few binaries we do not use or are provided by other
+</I>&gt;<i> packages (sometimes in different paths e.g. /bin/login vs. /usr/bin/login).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything still seems to work for me. I can login, create users, su to
+</I>&gt;<i> other users etc. etc (although only the creation of users actually uses
+</I>&gt;<i> the stuff in this package and I didn't know how to provide an encrypted
+</I>&gt;<i> password when testing that, so not sure if my tests are even vaguely valid!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please test before I release it on the rest of Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone who has any specific knowledge of this package I would very much
+</I>&gt;<i> appreciate a review.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/shadow-utils/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/shadow-utils/current/</A>
+</I>
+Has anyone checked this other than me yet?
+
+I'd like to push this but would like at least some other confirmation
+that it doesn't break things :D
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
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+
+While debugging <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8</A> I
+realised that the initrd is generated when the kernel is installed, but
+it's not regenerated again later.
+
+I'm not sure why this isn't working but perhaps someone more familiar
+with the installer itself (TV?) could comment?
+
+I was under the impression the initrd would be regenerated at the end?
+Does this even happen or have I just assumed this? I'm pretty sure in
+the past it did used to regenerate it but I could be mistaken.
+
+So the question then remains, how do we ensure that either:
+ a) the initrd is regenerated at the end of the install process
+ b) we delay the kernel install until the end such that all other
+packages are guarenteed to be installed and available.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While debugging <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8</A> I
+</I>&gt;<i> realised that the initrd is generated when the kernel is installed, but
+</I>&gt;<i> it's not regenerated again later.
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+/root/drakx/ddebug.log might give some clue about what failed.
+
+&gt;<i> I'm not sure why this isn't working but perhaps someone more familiar
+</I>&gt;<i> with the installer itself (TV?) could comment?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was under the impression the initrd would be regenerated at the end?
+</I>&gt;<i> Does this even happen or have I just assumed this? I'm pretty sure in
+</I>&gt;<i> the past it did used to regenerate it but I could be mistaken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So the question then remains, how do we ensure that either:
+</I>&gt;<i> a) the initrd is regenerated at the end of the install process
+</I>
+That's ensured at the bootloader installation step.
+If not present for every configured kernel, an initrd will be created.
+
+&gt;<i> b) we delay the kernel install until the end such that all other
+</I>&gt;<i> packages are guarenteed to be installed and available.
+</I>
+That should not be necessary if (a) is done correctly.
+
+Cheers
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 11/07/12 14:10 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 11/07/12 12:52 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In a set of follow up emails I'll post some results from investigations
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of what packages are affected by the change (preliminary checks are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quite promising in that there are not too many packages that will need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fixed - IIRC fedora found ~30 packages which isn't too bad).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, here are some results from a small script I wrote.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Firstly I ran two commands:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf ^/sbin | sort -u &gt;slash-sbin.txt
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf ^/bin | sort -u &gt;slash-bin.txt
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then ran the attached script on each which takes each package name and
+</I>&gt;<i> tries to find any conflicting files in /usr in other packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are the results:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> alsa-utils:self
+</I>&gt;<i> bluez:self
+</I>&gt;<i> davfs2:self
+</I>&gt;<i> info-install:dpkg
+</I>&gt;<i> iputils:self
+</I>&gt;<i> libselinux-utils:self
+</I>&gt;<i> ncpfs:self
+</I>&gt;<i> sound-scripts:self
+</I>&gt;<i> util-linux:self
+</I>&gt;<i> xfsdump:self
+</I>&gt;<i> zapata:dahdi-tools
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> coreutils:heimdal-workstation
+</I>&gt;<i> findutils:self
+</I>&gt;<i> fuse:self
+</I>&gt;<i> gawk:self
+</I>&gt;<i> gettext-base:self
+</I>&gt;<i> gzip:self
+</I>&gt;<i> kbd:self
+</I>&gt;<i> kmod:self
+</I>&gt;<i> lsb-release:self
+</I>&gt;<i> open:self
+</I>&gt;<i> pdksh:self
+</I>&gt;<i> plymouth:self
+</I>&gt;<i> procps:self
+</I>&gt;<i> sound-scripts:self
+</I>&gt;<i> util-linux:heimdal-login shadow-utils
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see the results are quite easy. Most of them &quot;self conflict&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> which is a trivial fix in those packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The ones that are actually mildly complicated are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> info-install:dpkg
+</I>&gt;<i> zapata:dahdi-tools
+</I>&gt;<i> coreutils:heimdal-workstation
+</I>&gt;<i> util-linux:heimdal-login shadow-utils
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The heimdal-login issues should be mostly OK, as the package itself
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with util-linux, but the -workstation provides it's own &quot;su&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> in /usr/bin. This is likely to be a problem in itself as I'm not sure
+</I>&gt;<i> any package can conflict with core-utils!! I don't know anything about
+</I>&gt;<i> heimdal, so anyone with expertise in the ins and outs of this should
+</I>&gt;<i> speak up!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The Only other real problem is that we currently use &quot;login&quot; from
+</I>&gt;<i> shadow-utils (by virtue of it being in /usr/bin) but a /bin/login is
+</I>&gt;<i> provided by util-linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems fedora use the util-linux one and remove binaries from
+</I>&gt;<i> shadow-utils they don't use. If no-one has any strong opinion or
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge here I'll just follow that pattern.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=shadow-utils.git;a=blob;f=shadow-utils.spec;hb=HEAD">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=shadow-utils.git;a=blob;f=shadow-utils.spec;hb=HEAD</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've not done checks in the various lib packages (for /lib and /lib64)
+</I>&gt;<i> but I suspect there will be less complications there anyway and mostly
+</I>&gt;<i> just self-conflicts.
+</I>
+OK, so I've now down more analysis and the following should be a
+complete list of package which have issues relating to the same files
+existing in / vs /usr (46 packages in total):
+
+ acl-2.2.51-3.mga2.src.rpm
+ alsa-utils-1.0.25-4.mga2.src.rpm
+ attr-2.4.46-1.mga2.src.rpm
+ bluez-4.101-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ coreutils-8.17-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ davfs2-1.4.6-1.mga1.src.rpm
+ db47-4.7.25-8.mga1.src.rpm
+ db48-4.8.30-8.mga2.src.rpm
+ db51-5.1.25-5.mga2.src.rpm
+ db52-5.2.36-2.mga3.src.rpm
+ dmapi-2.2.10-3.mga1.src.rpm
+ filesystem-2.1.9-17.mga2.src.rpm
+ findutils-4.5.10-1.mga2.src.rpm
+ fuse-2.8.7-1.mga2.src.rpm
+ gawk-4.0.1-1.mga2.src.rpm
+ gcc-4.7.1-3.mga3.src.rpm
+ gettext-0.18.1.1-2.mga2.src.rpm
+ grub-0.97-32.mga1.src.rpm
+ gzip-1.5-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ iputils-20101006-3.mga2.src.rpm
+ kbd-1.15.3-1.mga2.src.rpm
+ kmod-8-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ libselinux-2.0.78-3.mga1.src.rpm
+ libtermcap-2.0.8-51.mga3.src.rpm
+ libusb1-1.0.9-1.mga2.src.rpm
+ libusb-compat-0.1.4-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ lsb-4.1-12.mga3.src.rpm
+ lsb-release-2.0-37.mga3.src.rpm
+ ncpfs-2.2.6-12.mga3.src.rpm
+ ncurses-5.9-6.mga2.src.rpm
+ nspr-4.9.1-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ nss-3.13.5-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ open-1.4-21.mga1.src.rpm
+ pcre-8.21-1.mga2.src.rpm
+ pdksh-5.2.14-29.mga1.src.rpm
+ plymouth-0.8.5.1-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ procps-3.2.8-6.mga1.src.rpm
+ readline-6.2-4.mga2.src.rpm
+ sound-scripts-0.62-9.mga3.src.rpm
+ systemd-186-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ texinfo-4.13a-5.mga3.src.rpm
+ util-linux-2.21.2-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ xfsdump-3.1.0-1.mga2.src.rpm
+ xz-5.0.4-1.mga3.src.rpm
+ zapata-1.4.12.1-2.mga2.src.rpm
+ zlib-1.2.7-3.mga3.src.rpm
+
+
+
+My plan will be to rebuild each of them locally without any kind of
+conflicts (most of them self conflicts as I mentioned previously).
+
+Then I will update the filesystem package and build it locally with the
+rpm test so it cannot be installed unless the filesystem is in a
+suitible state, do the filesystem conversion via dracut, then upgrade
+filesystem package and all the rebuilt packages.
+
+Assuming my system is fine, I will then submit all the packages above
+for build on the buildsystem, update the filesystem package on the
+buildsystem, then rebuild all the above packages again but with an
+additional Requires(pre): filesystem &gt;= $whatever-it-is.
+
+
+Assuming it all works for me, would others be willing to test (on
+x86_64) the packages I'll build? I'll publish them to a custom repo,
+along with detailed instructions on the dracut procedure, for running
+the upgrade.
+
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+
+
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:10 PM, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 14/07/2012 13:27, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 14 July 2012 10:54, wally&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wally&lt;wally&gt; 2:1.7.5-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 270689
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild due to a missing i586 pkgs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Looks like this happen often recently.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would be better to fix the root cause in the BS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I'm not wrong it's fixed, due to /tmp filesystem too small
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes fixed by pterjan.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlint copy rpms in /tmp to do the check and as you told it was too
+</I>&gt;<i> small and so only some files were copied on the repo.
+</I>
+Not really fixed, I cleaned /tmp and wanted to export TMPDIR to not
+use /tmp but did not do it yet
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 14/07/12 17:30 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While debugging <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8</A> I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> realised that the initrd is generated when the kernel is installed, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's not regenerated again later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /root/drakx/ddebug.log might give some clue about what failed.
+</I>
+Not a huge deal in it that gives (me) clues:
+
+* starting step `setupBootloader'
+* to put in /mnt/etc/modprobe.preload evdev
+* modify_append:
+* modify_append: resume=UUID=f06016be-3bda-495d-900e-72f5c7d13a41
+* running: /sbin/display_driver_helper --is-kms-allowed with root /mnt
+* modify_append: nokmsboot resume=UUID=f06016be-3bda-495d-900e-72f5c7d13a41
+* bootloader::suggest_onmbr: type empty, onmbr 1, unsafe 0
+* adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+* current labels: linux
+* adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+* current labels: linux linux-nonfb
+* adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+* current labels: linux linux-nonfb failsafe
+* looking for configured grub on partitions
+* setupBootloaderBefore end
+* step `setupBootloader' finished
+...
+* fs::get::device2part: unknown device &lt;&lt;/dev/sda&gt;&gt;
+* running: keytab-lilo.pl us with root /mnt
+* program not found: keytab-lilo.pl
+* writing grub config to /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
+* Installing boot loader...
+* running: sh /boot/grub/install.sh with root /mnt
+
+
+ GNU GRUB version 0.97 (640K lower / 3072K upper memory)
+
+ [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB
+ lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible
+ completions of a device/filename. ]
+grub&gt; root (hd0,0)
+ Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
+grub&gt; setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0)
+ Checking if &quot;/boot/grub/stage1&quot; exists... no
+ Checking if &quot;/grub/stage1&quot; exists... yes
+ Checking if &quot;/grub/stage2&quot; exists... yes
+ Checking if &quot;/grub/e2fs_stage1_5&quot; exists... yes
+ Running &quot;embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)&quot;... 17 sectors are embedded.
+succeeded
+ Running &quot;install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /grub/stage1 (hd0)
+(hd0)1+17 p (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.lst&quot;... succeeded
+Done.
+grub&gt; quit
+* step `summary' finished
+
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure why this isn't working but perhaps someone more familiar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the installer itself (TV?) could comment?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was under the impression the initrd would be regenerated at the end?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does this even happen or have I just assumed this? I'm pretty sure in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the past it did used to regenerate it but I could be mistaken.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So the question then remains, how do we ensure that either:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a) the initrd is regenerated at the end of the install process
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's ensured at the bootloader installation step.
+</I>&gt;<i> If not present for every configured kernel, an initrd will be created.
+</I>
+What if the initrd is present? e.g. it was created when the kernel was
+installed. Would it still be REgenerated at this stage? (I always
+presumed it would be or that it was not generated at the install time).
+
+Looking at the script /sbin/installkernel I see:
+
+ [ -z &quot;$DURING_INSTALL&quot; ] || exit 0
+
+So it shouldn't do anything when run as part of the kernel post
+install... So perhaps some other package triggers an initrd generation?
+
+Looking at things happening live... I see that the symlink
+initrd-desktop.img is created, but it points nowhere. I wonder could one
+of the bootsplash scripts do something like resolve the symlink name and
+then recreate the initrd automatically because the file does not exist?
+
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 14/07/12 19:49 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 14/07/12 17:30 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While debugging <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8</A> I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> realised that the initrd is generated when the kernel is installed, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's not regenerated again later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /root/drakx/ddebug.log might give some clue about what failed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not a huge deal in it that gives (me) clues:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * starting step `setupBootloader'
+</I>&gt;<i> * to put in /mnt/etc/modprobe.preload evdev
+</I>&gt;<i> * modify_append:
+</I>&gt;<i> * modify_append: resume=UUID=f06016be-3bda-495d-900e-72f5c7d13a41
+</I>&gt;<i> * running: /sbin/display_driver_helper --is-kms-allowed with root /mnt
+</I>&gt;<i> * modify_append: nokmsboot resume=UUID=f06016be-3bda-495d-900e-72f5c7d13a41
+</I>&gt;<i> * bootloader::suggest_onmbr: type empty, onmbr 1, unsafe 0
+</I>&gt;<i> * adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> * current labels: linux
+</I>&gt;<i> * adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> * current labels: linux linux-nonfb
+</I>&gt;<i> * adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> * current labels: linux linux-nonfb failsafe
+</I>&gt;<i> * looking for configured grub on partitions
+</I>&gt;<i> * setupBootloaderBefore end
+</I>&gt;<i> * step `setupBootloader' finished
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> * fs::get::device2part: unknown device &lt;&lt;/dev/sda&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> * running: keytab-lilo.pl us with root /mnt
+</I>&gt;<i> * program not found: keytab-lilo.pl
+</I>&gt;<i> * writing grub config to /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> * Installing boot loader...
+</I>&gt;<i> * running: sh /boot/grub/install.sh with root /mnt
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU GRUB version 0.97 (640K lower / 3072K upper memory)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB
+</I>&gt;<i> lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible
+</I>&gt;<i> completions of a device/filename. ]
+</I>&gt;<i> grub&gt; root (hd0,0)
+</I>&gt;<i> Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
+</I>&gt;<i> grub&gt; setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0)
+</I>&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/boot/grub/stage1&quot; exists... no
+</I>&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/grub/stage1&quot; exists... yes
+</I>&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/grub/stage2&quot; exists... yes
+</I>&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/grub/e2fs_stage1_5&quot; exists... yes
+</I>&gt;<i> Running &quot;embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)&quot;... 17 sectors are embedded.
+</I>&gt;<i> succeeded
+</I>&gt;<i> Running &quot;install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /grub/stage1 (hd0)
+</I>&gt;<i> (hd0)1+17 p (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.lst&quot;... succeeded
+</I>&gt;<i> Done.
+</I>&gt;<i> grub&gt; quit
+</I>&gt;<i> * step `summary' finished
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure why this isn't working but perhaps someone more familiar
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with the installer itself (TV?) could comment?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was under the impression the initrd would be regenerated at the end?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does this even happen or have I just assumed this? I'm pretty sure in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the past it did used to regenerate it but I could be mistaken.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So the question then remains, how do we ensure that either:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a) the initrd is regenerated at the end of the install process
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's ensured at the bootloader installation step.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If not present for every configured kernel, an initrd will be created.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What if the initrd is present? e.g. it was created when the kernel was
+</I>&gt;<i> installed. Would it still be REgenerated at this stage? (I always
+</I>&gt;<i> presumed it would be or that it was not generated at the install time).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looking at the script /sbin/installkernel I see:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [ -z &quot;$DURING_INSTALL&quot; ] || exit 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it shouldn't do anything when run as part of the kernel post
+</I>&gt;<i> install... So perhaps some other package triggers an initrd generation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looking at things happening live... I see that the symlink
+</I>&gt;<i> initrd-desktop.img is created, but it points nowhere. I wonder could one
+</I>&gt;<i> of the bootsplash scripts do something like resolve the symlink name and
+</I>&gt;<i> then recreate the initrd automatically because the file does not exist?
+</I>
+The initrd was generated at 12:49:00 So it was after these packages were
+installed that it happened....
+
+Sat Jul 14 12:47:48 2012:lib64kms1
+Sat Jul 14 12:47:48 2012:mageia-theme-common
+Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:bootsplash
+Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:bridge-utils
+Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:dash
+Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:plymouth-plugin-script
+Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth
+Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth-scripts
+Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth-system-theme
+Sat Jul 14 12:48:00 2012:dracut
+Sat Jul 14 12:48:00 2012:mageia-theme-Default
+Sat Jul 14 12:48:07 2012:kernel-desktop-3.3.6-2.mga2
+
+
+One of them must be the guilty party!!
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> The initrd was generated at 12:49:00 So it was after these packages were
+</I>&gt;<i> installed that it happened....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:48 2012:lib64kms1
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:48 2012:mageia-theme-common
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:bootsplash
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:bridge-utils
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:dash
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:plymouth-plugin-script
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth-scripts
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth-system-theme
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:48:00 2012:dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:48:00 2012:mageia-theme-Default
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:48:07 2012:kernel-desktop-3.3.6-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One of them must be the guilty party!!
+</I>
+Packages rebuilding the initrd in %post usually check [ -z &quot;$DURING_INSTALL&quot; ]
+
+The kernel package is fine, plymouth and dracut look ok as well.
+mageia-theme-Default seems ok, it only calls plymouth-set-default-theme.
+
+Or do we have a problem exporting DURING_INSTALL in the install?
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 14/07/12 20:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 14/07/12 19:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 14/07/12 17:30 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While debugging <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8</A> I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> realised that the initrd is generated when the kernel is installed, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's not regenerated again later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /root/drakx/ddebug.log might give some clue about what failed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not a huge deal in it that gives (me) clues:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * starting step `setupBootloader'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * to put in /mnt/etc/modprobe.preload evdev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * modify_append:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * modify_append: resume=UUID=f06016be-3bda-495d-900e-72f5c7d13a41
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * running: /sbin/display_driver_helper --is-kms-allowed with root /mnt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * modify_append: nokmsboot resume=UUID=f06016be-3bda-495d-900e-72f5c7d13a41
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * bootloader::suggest_onmbr: type empty, onmbr 1, unsafe 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * current labels: linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * current labels: linux linux-nonfb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * current labels: linux linux-nonfb failsafe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * looking for configured grub on partitions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * setupBootloaderBefore end
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * step `setupBootloader' finished
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * fs::get::device2part: unknown device &lt;&lt;/dev/sda&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * running: keytab-lilo.pl us with root /mnt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * program not found: keytab-lilo.pl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * writing grub config to /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Installing boot loader...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * running: sh /boot/grub/install.sh with root /mnt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GNU GRUB version 0.97 (640K lower / 3072K upper memory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> completions of a device/filename. ]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grub&gt; root (hd0,0)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grub&gt; setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/boot/grub/stage1&quot; exists... no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/grub/stage1&quot; exists... yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/grub/stage2&quot; exists... yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/grub/e2fs_stage1_5&quot; exists... yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Running &quot;embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)&quot;... 17 sectors are embedded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> succeeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Running &quot;install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /grub/stage1 (hd0)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (hd0)1+17 p (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.lst&quot;... succeeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grub&gt; quit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * step `summary' finished
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure why this isn't working but perhaps someone more familiar
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with the installer itself (TV?) could comment?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was under the impression the initrd would be regenerated at the end?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does this even happen or have I just assumed this? I'm pretty sure in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the past it did used to regenerate it but I could be mistaken.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So the question then remains, how do we ensure that either:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a) the initrd is regenerated at the end of the install process
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's ensured at the bootloader installation step.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If not present for every configured kernel, an initrd will be created.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What if the initrd is present? e.g. it was created when the kernel was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed. Would it still be REgenerated at this stage? (I always
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> presumed it would be or that it was not generated at the install time).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looking at the script /sbin/installkernel I see:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ -z &quot;$DURING_INSTALL&quot; ] || exit 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it shouldn't do anything when run as part of the kernel post
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install... So perhaps some other package triggers an initrd generation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looking at things happening live... I see that the symlink
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initrd-desktop.img is created, but it points nowhere. I wonder could one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the bootsplash scripts do something like resolve the symlink name and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then recreate the initrd automatically because the file does not exist?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The initrd was generated at 12:49:00 So it was after these packages were
+</I>&gt;<i> installed that it happened....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:48 2012:lib64kms1
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:48 2012:mageia-theme-common
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:bootsplash
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:bridge-utils
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:dash
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:plymouth-plugin-script
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth-scripts
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth-system-theme
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:48:00 2012:dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:48:00 2012:mageia-theme-Default
+</I>&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:48:07 2012:kernel-desktop-3.3.6-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One of them must be the guilty party!!
+</I>
+As there was a period where the symlink existed but the initrd did not,
+I am presuming running /sbin/install kernel exited correctly without
+creating the initrd.
+
+However, both plymouth and mageia-theme-Default seem to correctly honour
+DURING_INSTALL.
+
+I'm confused as to what is causing it to be generated... can anyone else
+see it?
+
+Col
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 14/07/12 20:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 14/07/12 20:04 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 14/07/12 19:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 14/07/12 17:30 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While debugging <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6692#c8</A> I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> realised that the initrd is generated when the kernel is installed, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's not regenerated again later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /root/drakx/ddebug.log might give some clue about what failed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not a huge deal in it that gives (me) clues:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * starting step `setupBootloader'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * to put in /mnt/etc/modprobe.preload evdev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * modify_append:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * modify_append: resume=UUID=f06016be-3bda-495d-900e-72f5c7d13a41
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * running: /sbin/display_driver_helper --is-kms-allowed with root /mnt
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * modify_append: nokmsboot resume=UUID=f06016be-3bda-495d-900e-72f5c7d13a41
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * bootloader::suggest_onmbr: type empty, onmbr 1, unsafe 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * current labels: linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * current labels: linux linux-nonfb
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * adding /boot/vmlinuz-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * current labels: linux linux-nonfb failsafe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * looking for configured grub on partitions
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * setupBootloaderBefore end
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * step `setupBootloader' finished
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * fs::get::device2part: unknown device &lt;&lt;/dev/sda&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * running: keytab-lilo.pl us with root /mnt
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * program not found: keytab-lilo.pl
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * writing grub config to /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Installing boot loader...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * running: sh /boot/grub/install.sh with root /mnt
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> GNU GRUB version 0.97 (640K lower / 3072K upper memory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> completions of a device/filename. ]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> grub&gt; root (hd0,0)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> grub&gt; setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/boot/grub/stage1&quot; exists... no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/grub/stage1&quot; exists... yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/grub/stage2&quot; exists... yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Checking if &quot;/grub/e2fs_stage1_5&quot; exists... yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Running &quot;embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)&quot;... 17 sectors are embedded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> succeeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Running &quot;install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /grub/stage1 (hd0)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (hd0)1+17 p (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.lst&quot;... succeeded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> grub&gt; quit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * step `summary' finished
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure why this isn't working but perhaps someone more familiar
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with the installer itself (TV?) could comment?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I was under the impression the initrd would be regenerated at the end?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does this even happen or have I just assumed this? I'm pretty sure in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the past it did used to regenerate it but I could be mistaken.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So the question then remains, how do we ensure that either:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a) the initrd is regenerated at the end of the install process
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's ensured at the bootloader installation step.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If not present for every configured kernel, an initrd will be created.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What if the initrd is present? e.g. it was created when the kernel was
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installed. Would it still be REgenerated at this stage? (I always
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> presumed it would be or that it was not generated at the install time).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Looking at the script /sbin/installkernel I see:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [ -z &quot;$DURING_INSTALL&quot; ] || exit 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So it shouldn't do anything when run as part of the kernel post
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> install... So perhaps some other package triggers an initrd generation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Looking at things happening live... I see that the symlink
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> initrd-desktop.img is created, but it points nowhere. I wonder could one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the bootsplash scripts do something like resolve the symlink name and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then recreate the initrd automatically because the file does not exist?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The initrd was generated at 12:49:00 So it was after these packages were
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed that it happened....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:48 2012:lib64kms1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:48 2012:mageia-theme-common
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:bootsplash
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:bridge-utils
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:dash
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:58 2012:plymouth-plugin-script
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth-scripts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:47:59 2012:plymouth-system-theme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:48:00 2012:dracut
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:48:00 2012:mageia-theme-Default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sat Jul 14 12:48:07 2012:kernel-desktop-3.3.6-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One of them must be the guilty party!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As there was a period where the symlink existed but the initrd did not,
+</I>&gt;<i> I am presuming running /sbin/install kernel exited correctly without
+</I>&gt;<i> creating the initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, both plymouth and mageia-theme-Default seem to correctly honour
+</I>&gt;<i> DURING_INSTALL.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm confused as to what is causing it to be generated... can anyone else
+</I>&gt;<i> see it?
+</I>
+
+Oh wait, I think I see it:
+
+In the post of mageia-theme-Default it has:
+
+if [ &quot;$1&quot; == &quot;0&quot; ]; then
+ /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme -R Mageia-Default
+fi
+
+
+This causes an initrd rebuild (-R argument) and doesn't check
+DURING_INSTALL.
+
+That's the problem.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> As there was a period where the symlink existed but the initrd did not,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am presuming running /sbin/install kernel exited correctly without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> creating the initrd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, both plymouth and mageia-theme-Default seem to correctly honour
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DURING_INSTALL.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm confused as to what is causing it to be generated... can anyone else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh wait, I think I see it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the post of mageia-theme-Default it has:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if [ &quot;$1&quot; == &quot;0&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme -R Mageia-Default
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This causes an initrd rebuild (-R argument) and doesn't check
+</I>&gt;<i> DURING_INSTALL.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the problem.
+</I>
+Ah, I did not see that one.
+There are two calls to plymouth-set-default-theme in this %post.
+Maybe we can just move the second one (with -R) upper to replace the
+first one?
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 29/06/12 16:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/06/12 16:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 29.06.2012 17:22, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone please fix?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That means either build mesa git, or pull in this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6d1cdec3ba151168bfc3aef222fba6265dfb41fb</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And all needed fixes after...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I vote to go to git... what's the worst that can happen :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, mesa git needs newer wayland.... following the chain...
+</I>
+I have uploaded a new wayland (0.94.90), to test mesa 8.1 as well.
+
+If it causes any issues building the current mesa 8.0, you can
+temporarily disable wayland support in the mesa spec file.
+
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 14/07/12 21:24 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As there was a period where the symlink existed but the initrd did not,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am presuming running /sbin/install kernel exited correctly without
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> creating the initrd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, both plymouth and mageia-theme-Default seem to correctly honour
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> DURING_INSTALL.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm confused as to what is causing it to be generated... can anyone else
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> see it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh wait, I think I see it:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the post of mageia-theme-Default it has:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if [ &quot;$1&quot; == &quot;0&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme -R Mageia-Default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This causes an initrd rebuild (-R argument) and doesn't check
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DURING_INSTALL.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, I did not see that one.
+</I>
+Yeah I missed it the first two times I looked at it too :p
+
+&gt;<i> There are two calls to plymouth-set-default-theme in this %post.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we can just move the second one (with -R) upper to replace the
+</I>&gt;<i> first one?
+</I>
+Well I think we should just drop it completely...
+
+&gt;<i>From my reading, if we're not in the installer then
+</I>/usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/switch-themes is used which takes care of
+regenerating initrd if needed.
+
+If we're in the install then plymouth-set-default-theme gets called
+anyway (without the -R). So to me it seems like this is just a redundant
+call.
+
+The only thing I'd suggest is that we add a -u argument to switch-themes
+to ensure it calls plymouth-set-default-theme internally.
+
+
+Although as we should likely try and phase out some of the black magic
+of these bootsplash scripts, I'd actually rather just do something like
+this in %post:
+
+
+if [ -f /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/Mageia.png -a ! -f
+/usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png -o -L
+/usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png ]; then
+ rm -f /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png
+ ln -s Mageia-Default-1600x1200.png /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png
+fi
+
+rm -f
+/usr/share/mga/backgrounds/Mageia-Default-{0000,0700,1300,1800}.jpg ||:
+rm -f /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/Mageia.xml ||:
+rm -f
+/usr/share/mdk/backgrounds/Mandriva-{Free,Flash,One,Powerpack}-{0000,0700,1300,1800}.jpg
+||:<i>
+</I>rm -f /usr/share/mdk/backgrounds/Mandriva.xml ||:
+
+if [ -z &quot;$DURING_INSTALL&quot; ]; then
+ if [ -x /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/switch-themes ]; then
+ /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/switch-themes Mageia-Default
+ fi
+fi
+if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash ]; then
+ perl -pi -e 's/^s*SPLASH=.*/SPLASH=auto/;
+s/^s*THEME=.*/THEME=Mageia-Default/' /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash
+fi
+/usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme Mageia-Default
+
+
+
+
+That seems to be the right thing to do generally for now and good enough
+for an update (can you review and give your opinion?), but longer term,
+I'd rather get rid of /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash completely in favour of
+other ways to control the theme (e.g. using plymouth-set-theme directly,
+and tweaking kernel command line options to either use or not the
+plymouth support in the initrd. If users really want to strip plymouth
+from the initrd they can drop a config in /etc/dracut.conf.d/ to put a line:
+ omit_dracutmodules+=&quot; plymouth &quot;
+
+which will prevent plymouth support in any subsequently generated initrd
+(although if the &quot;silent&quot; kernel param is presented and plymouth is
+still installed then it will still kick in after the initrd is finished
+and the main system takes over.
+
+So uninstall plymouth is likely the best option for the purists (and I
+may need to tweak dracut requires on that front)!
+
+
+Col
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+
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+<PRE>Buchan Milne wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:34:02 David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; kind of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; push a non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; well ask for SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; directly. This would avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; everyone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nobody is in charge, which is part of the problem. I think a lot of us
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packagers come from Mandriva where we were used to Oden being in charge of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates for stable distros, and therefore not having to worry about it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While Mandriva had a security team (before Oden, Stew, and before that Stew
+</I>&gt;<i> and Vince). However, that doesn't mean you never had to worry about anything.
+</I>
+Sure, maybe the security manager would ask a maintainer for help with something sometimes, but they still had ultimately responsibility for
+the updates. My point is that responsibility falls on all of us packagers now, and it's a perspective shift that needs to be made.
+
+Also, I don't want anyone to get the idea that I'm in charge of security updates, even though I've kind of taken charge of it in a way,
+because when I finally started using Mageia at the end of last year, I noticed a lot of updates had been missed and nobody had taken charge
+of keeping track of such things. So I try my best to keep track of it now and do my best to help get the needed updates out. Please keep in
+mind that I do not have the level of experience of Vince or Oden and I have a full-time job which is not &quot;make security updates for Mageia.&quot;
+I am doing my best, as is the QA team.
+
+Mageia may not be the first to market with security updates (we're usually later than many other distros), but for highly critical zero-days
+and things being actively exploited, we've done well with packagers, QA, and sysadmins working together to get these updates out in a timely
+manner. For other security updates, the important thing is that we get them out, not that we're first to market.
+
+Finally Buchan, I have no complaints about the job you've done contributing to security updates for packages you maintain. So if I ever
+sound like I'm complaining, it's not directed at you.
+
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+<PRE>Le 15/07/2012 05:58, spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : php Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 5.4.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga3 Build Date: Sun Jul 15 05:42:58 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Development/PHP Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 14351288 License: PHP License
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.php.net">http://www.php.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : The PHP5 scripting language
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> PHP5 is an HTML-embeddable scripting language. PHP5 offers built-in database
+</I>&gt;<i> integration for several commercial and non-commercial database management
+</I>&gt;<i> systems, so writing a database-enabled script with PHP5 is fairly simple. The
+</I>&gt;<i> most common use of PHP5 coding is probably as a replacement for CGI scripts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please report bugs here: <A HREF="http://bugs.mageia.org/">http://bugs.mageia.org/</A> so that the official maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> of this Mageia package can help you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3:5.4.4-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 270903
+</I>&gt;<i> + rebuild (emptylog)
+</I>2 successives releases with an empty package changelog, you're clearly
+misusing SILENT keywords:
+
+r270903 | spuhler | 2012-07-15 05:40:51 +0200 (dim. 15 juil. 2012) | 1 ligne
+
+SILENT fixed the php-timezonedb &gt;= 3:2012.3
+------------------------------------------------------------------------
+r270900 | spuhler | 2012-07-15 05:32:10 +0200 (dim. 15 juil. 2012) | 1 ligne
+
+SILENT rebuild for fixed type
+
+Also, advising people to report bugs on mageia bugzilla in package
+description is ridiculous, I don't see why php is different from the
+gazillion other packages we have.
+
+--
+The seam you meant to rip out is invariably the other one
+ -- Murphy's Laws of Sewing n&#176;4
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In the post of mageia-theme-Default it has:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if [ &quot;$1&quot; == &quot;0&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme -R Mageia-Default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This causes an initrd rebuild (-R argument) and doesn't check
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> DURING_INSTALL.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's the problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, I did not see that one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I missed it the first two times I looked at it too :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are two calls to plymouth-set-default-theme in this %post.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we can just move the second one (with -R) upper to replace the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first one?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well I think we should just drop it completely...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>From my reading, if we're not in the installer then
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/switch-themes is used which takes care of
+</I>&gt;<i> regenerating initrd if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we're in the install then plymouth-set-default-theme gets called
+</I>&gt;<i> anyway (without the -R). So to me it seems like this is just a redundant
+</I>&gt;<i> call.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only thing I'd suggest is that we add a -u argument to switch-themes
+</I>&gt;<i> to ensure it calls plymouth-set-default-theme internally.
+</I>
+It seems to be the contrary, switch-themes runs
+plymouth-set-default-theme if no -u is supplied:
+ if [[ -z $update ]]; then
+ /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme $theme
+ fi
+
+&gt;<i> Although as we should likely try and phase out some of the black magic
+</I>&gt;<i> of these bootsplash scripts, I'd actually rather just do something like
+</I>&gt;<i> this in %post:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if [ -f /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/Mageia.png -a ! -f
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png -o -L
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png
+</I>&gt;<i> ln -s Mageia-Default-1600x1200.png /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/Mageia-Default-{0000,0700,1300,1800}.jpg ||:
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/Mageia.xml ||:
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/mdk/backgrounds/Mandriva-{Free,Flash,One,Powerpack}-{0000,0700,1300,1800}.jpg
+</I>&gt;<i> ||:
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f /usr/share/mdk/backgrounds/Mandriva.xml ||:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if [ -z &quot;$DURING_INSTALL&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> if [ -x /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/switch-themes ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/switch-themes Mageia-Default
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> perl -pi -e 's/^s*SPLASH=.*/SPLASH=auto/;
+</I>&gt;<i> s/^s*THEME=.*/THEME=Mageia-Default/' /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme Mageia-Default
+</I>
+This %post script always looked a bit convoluted to me, couldn't we move
+all this in the switch-themes script?
+We could even check directly DURING_INSTALL in there, since DrakX's
+bootloader is not using this script to add the splash.
+
+That way, the %post script could be a one-liner, and reused easily in
+other theme packages.
+
+&gt;<i> That seems to be the right thing to do generally for now and good enough
+</I>&gt;<i> for an update (can you review and give your opinion?), but longer term,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd rather get rid of /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash completely in favour of
+</I>&gt;<i> other ways to control the theme (e.g. using plymouth-set-theme directly,
+</I>&gt;<i> and tweaking kernel command line options to either use or not the
+</I>&gt;<i> plymouth support in the initrd. If users really want to strip plymouth
+</I>&gt;<i> from the initrd they can drop a config in /etc/dracut.conf.d/ to put a line:
+</I>&gt;<i> omit_dracutmodules+=&quot; plymouth &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which will prevent plymouth support in any subsequently generated initrd
+</I>&gt;<i> (although if the &quot;silent&quot; kernel param is presented and plymouth is
+</I>&gt;<i> still installed then it will still kick in after the initrd is finished
+</I>&gt;<i> and the main system takes over.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So uninstall plymouth is likely the best option for the purists (and I
+</I>&gt;<i> may need to tweak dracut requires on that front)!
+</I>
+Ok
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 1 July 2012 22:03, Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello can somebody please make an update to fix draksnapshot easily ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is to add a require/suggest to hal as asking in the bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3032</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So someone for do that ? thanks.
+</I>
+That's not the fix.
+The proper fix is to adapt to udisks.
+Shouldn't be hard.
+See eg:<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/perl-Hal-Cdroms/trunk/lib/Hal/Cdroms.pm?view=log">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/perl-Hal-Cdroms/trunk/lib/Hal/Cdroms.pm?view=log</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le 15/07/2012 05:58, spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : php Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 5.4.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga3 Build Date: Sun Jul 15 05:42:58 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Development/PHP Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 14351288 License: PHP License
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>
+[...]
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3:5.4.4-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 270903
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + rebuild (emptylog)
+</I>
+Also, you did not mention in the changelog that php-sqlite has been
+removed.
+
+Since it is obsolete, php-pear-MDB2_Driver_sqlite should be removed as
+well from the mirrors, likely by making another package (php-pear-MDB2?)
+obsolete it.
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>Le 15/07/2012 17:31, spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 2:5.17-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 271059
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ooops, neede to change the source too.
+</I>And here is the perfect place you should have used SILENT keyword,
+because end user doesn't care how you commit you needed to finish the
+package.
+
+&gt;<i> - upgrade to 5.17
+</I>--
+The easy way is always mined
+ -- Murphy's Military Laws n&#176;120
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+&gt;<i> dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1.3-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 271038
+</I>&gt;<i> - bump release
+</I>Interesting changelog...
+--
+BOFH excuse #438:
+
+sticky bit has come loose
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+<PRE>On Sunday, July 15, 2012 09:40:01 AM Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 15/07/2012 17:31, spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 2:5.17-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 271059
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Ooops, neede to change the source too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And here is the perfect place you should have used SILENT keyword,
+</I>&gt;<i> because end user doesn't care how you commit you needed to finish the
+</I>&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - upgrade to 5.17
+</I>
+I meant to add SILENT
+But thanks anyway.
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+&gt;<i> On Sunday, July 15, 2012 09:40:01 AM Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 15/07/2012 17:31, spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 2:5.17-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 271059
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Ooops, neede to change the source too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And here is the perfect place you should have used SILENT keyword,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because end user doesn't care how you commit you needed to finish the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - upgrade to 5.17
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I meant to add SILENT
+</I>&gt;<i> But thanks anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You can always 'svn propedit' commit msgs to fix %changelog for future
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+<PRE>On Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:48:36 AM Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 15.07.2012 21:42, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sunday, July 15, 2012 09:40:01 AM Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le 15/07/2012 17:31, spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 2:5.17-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; + Revision: 271059
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - Ooops, neede to change the source too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And here is the perfect place you should have used SILENT keyword,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; because end user doesn't care how you commit you needed to finish the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; package.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - upgrade to 5.17
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I meant to add SILENT
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But thanks anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can always 'svn propedit' commit msgs to fix %changelog for future
+</I>&gt;<i> releases.
+</I>
+Thanks I forgot about that. It's actually a very nice tool.
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think the least painful thing right now would be to back out the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libdrm_nouveau-2.0 merge from current libdrm (iirc ~4 patches) so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we can get current mesa rebuilt right now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That would give some time to work on newer mesa...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That seems somewhat sensible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Even with the latest wayland mesa git is having issues building...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> g++ -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -L/usr/lib64/llvm -lpthread -lffi -ldl -lm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lp_test_blend.o lp_test_main.o -o lp_test_blend -Wl,--start-group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -L../../auxiliary/ -lgallium libllvmpipe.a -lLLVM -lXext -lXdamage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -lXfixes -lX11-xcb -lX11 -lxcb-glx -lxcb -lXxf86vm -ldrm -lm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -lpthread -ldl -Wl,--end-group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: ../../auxiliary//libgallium.a(u_dl.o): undefined reference
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to symbol 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: note: 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5' is defined in DSO
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../lib64/libdl.so so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> try adding it to the linker command line
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../lib64/libdl.so:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could not read symbols: Invalid operation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So the suggested fix of adding -ldl shouldn't be needed as -ldl is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already there! Could be a weird ordering quirk I guess - certainly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manually placing the -ldl outside of the -Wl,--start-group block does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fix it... too much fu for me tho'.
+</I>
+I have workarounded this one by adding -Wl,--no-as-needed for this
+particular link command.
+
+That's not a very good fix, but the link command is strange anyway.
+I got their ld command line to work by removing all occurences of -dl
+and adding a new -ldl at the end, but that's not so easy to fit in the
+mesa build system.
+
+&gt;<i> OK, so I've backed out the patches in libdrm and rebuilt mesa but now
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-nouveau doesn't build (unsurprisingly).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've not got much more time to poke at this today, so hopefully the
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer can pick it up.
+</I>
+I have a mesa 8.1 (pre) package ready here.
+Here's what I did:
+- new dricore lib packages
+- dropped all nouveau backport patches (they are all from upstream git, right?)
+- removal of the (new) .la files
+- libglsl.so is not packaged anymore, upstream is now using a static lib (?!)
+
+mesa now also installs a /etc/drirc file by default.
+Fedora packages it in their mesa-dri-drivers package, but we can't put
+it in our libified drivers package, it would cause conflicts.
+Because we could add (or resurrect) a &quot;mesa&quot; noarch package with only a
+/etc/drirc file, and make the dridrivers package require it?
+
+Colin, Anssi, any suggestion before I submit?
+
+After that, I will ugprade weston (the wayland compositor).
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+<PRE>16.07.2012 01:00, Olivier Blin kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think the least painful thing right now would be to back out the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libdrm_nouveau-2.0 merge from current libdrm (iirc ~4 patches) so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we can get current mesa rebuilt right now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That would give some time to work on newer mesa...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That seems somewhat sensible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Even with the latest wayland mesa git is having issues building...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> g++ -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--build-id
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -L/usr/lib64/llvm -lpthread -lffi -ldl -lm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lp_test_blend.o lp_test_main.o -o lp_test_blend -Wl,--start-group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -L../../auxiliary/ -lgallium libllvmpipe.a -lLLVM -lXext -lXdamage
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lXfixes -lX11-xcb -lX11 -lxcb-glx -lxcb -lXxf86vm -ldrm -lm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lpthread -ldl -Wl,--end-group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: ../../auxiliary//libgallium.a(u_dl.o): undefined reference
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to symbol 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: note: 'dlclose@@GLIBC_2.2.5' is defined in DSO
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../lib64/libdl.so so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> try adding it to the linker command line
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/4.7.1/../../../../lib64/libdl.so:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could not read symbols: Invalid operation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So the suggested fix of adding -ldl shouldn't be needed as -ldl is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already there! Could be a weird ordering quirk I guess - certainly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> manually placing the -ldl outside of the -Wl,--start-group block does
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fix it... too much fu for me tho'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have workarounded this one by adding -Wl,--no-as-needed for this
+</I>&gt;<i> particular link command.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not a very good fix, but the link command is strange anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i> I got their ld command line to work by removing all occurences of -dl
+</I>&gt;<i> and adding a new -ldl at the end, but that's not so easy to fit in the
+</I>&gt;<i> mesa build system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so I've backed out the patches in libdrm and rebuilt mesa but now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-nouveau doesn't build (unsurprisingly).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've not got much more time to poke at this today, so hopefully the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer can pick it up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a mesa 8.1 (pre) package ready here.
+</I>&gt;<i> Here's what I did:
+</I>&gt;<i> - new dricore lib packages
+</I>&gt;<i> - dropped all nouveau backport patches (they are all from upstream git, right?)
+</I>
+Right (well, one was mine to make the backports work).
+
+&gt;<i> - removal of the (new) .la files
+</I>&gt;<i> - libglsl.so is not packaged anymore, upstream is now using a static lib (?!)
+</I>
+Sounds a bit strange, but I don't have time to look closer ATM. We can
+get back to it later I guess.
+
+&gt;<i> mesa now also installs a /etc/drirc file by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora packages it in their mesa-dri-drivers package, but we can't put
+</I>&gt;<i> it in our libified drivers package, it would cause conflicts.
+</I>&gt;<i> Because we could add (or resurrect) a &quot;mesa&quot; noarch package with only a
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/drirc file, and make the dridrivers package require it?
+</I>
+Sounds kind of okay, though I'd maybe make it e.g. &quot;dri-common&quot; instead,
+since this sounds dri-specific.
+
+&gt;<i> Colin, Anssi, any suggestion before I submit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After that, I will ugprade weston (the wayland compositor).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+ <B>Thomas Spuhler</B>
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+Mageia and Mandriva use php-smarty, Fedora use php-Smarty and SUSE uses php-
+smarty but internally has /Smarty/Smarty.xxx
+
+/usr/share/php/Smarty/Smarty.class.php
+ours is /usr/share/php/smarty/Smarty.class.php
+This creates problems of dependencies of programs that call for
+Smarty/Smarty.class.php
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+Any thoughts about this?
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+
+On my system I see the following:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> gcc]$ rpm -ql libgcc1
+/lib/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+/lib64/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
+/usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+
+
+As you can see this results in a conflict between these two files:
+
+/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+/usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+
+
+They ultimately (via some strange symlinks) point at the same file so it
+can be dropped, but I cannot, for the life of me see where the symlink:
+
+/usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+
+Is created in the spec. I can see a file of that name being specifically
+moved out the way but I cannot see how it is then recreated with that
+name again!
+
+Can anyone see in the gcc spec where this file is created?
+
+Ultimately I just want to delete /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 completely from
+being packaged. It's the only problem with gcc regarding conflicts as
+far as I can see.
+
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+<PRE>On 07/16/2012 01:34 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On my system I see the following:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> gcc]$ rpm -ql libgcc1
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see this results in a conflict between these two files:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They ultimately (via some strange symlinks) point at the same file so it
+</I>&gt;<i> can be dropped, but I cannot, for the life of me see where the symlink:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is created in the spec. I can see a file of that name being specifically
+</I>&gt;<i> moved out the way but I cannot see how it is then recreated with that
+</I>&gt;<i> name again!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can anyone see in the gcc spec where this file is created?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ldconfig ? I tried renaming mine, and ldconfig recreated it.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> There are two spellings of smarty on distis.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia and Mandriva use php-smarty, Fedora use php-Smarty and SUSE uses php-
+</I>&gt;<i> smarty but internally has /Smarty/Smarty.xxx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/php/Smarty/Smarty.class.php
+</I>&gt;<i> ours is /usr/share/php/smarty/Smarty.class.php
+</I>&gt;<i> This creates problems of dependencies of programs that call for
+</I>&gt;<i> Smarty/Smarty.class.php
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any thoughts about this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>My bias is toward using lower case in package names and folder names at
+least, if not in the file names themselves. Although class names often
+start with upper case.
+So I would at least leave the folder name lower case, perhaps adding a
+symlink for the initial upper case.
+And maybe do the same for the file name ?
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+(Looking at the packages installed on my system, a fairly important
+majority of *.php file names are lower case. Of those with initial
+upper case, many have the same name in lower case in other folders. And
+almost all the folder names in their paths are lower case.)
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+To me this approach leads to fewer problems with case-related errors.
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+Yesterday evening I did reboot my computer and the system was unable to
+boot until I disabled my crypted partition (my /home) in /etc/crypttab.
+
+Nothing asked me the key for the crypt partition, neither in graphical
+mode neither in text mode.
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olivier at localhost</A> ~]$ rpm -q systemd
+systemd-186-1.mga3
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+&gt;<i> There are two spellings of smarty on distis.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia and Mandriva use php-smarty, Fedora use php-Smarty and SUSE uses php-
+</I>&gt;<i> smarty but internally has /Smarty/Smarty.xxx
+</I>We use php-smarty as package name because our policy says to take lower
+case names.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/php/Smarty/Smarty.class.php
+</I>&gt;<i> ours is /usr/share/php/smarty/Smarty.class.php
+</I>&gt;<i> This creates problems of dependencies of programs that call for
+</I>&gt;<i> Smarty/Smarty.class.php
+</I>That could of course be changed. The creation of the lower case
+directory is done &quot;manually&quot; in the spec file.
+But do you know, if there's software calling for the lowercase name?
+So we do not fix it for some but break it for others.
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+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> But do you know, if there's software calling for the lowercase name?
+</I>&gt;<i> So we do not fix it for some but break it for others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>A thought that ocurred to me about this:
+We could rename those folders to the upper case (when Fedora and Suse do
+it that way and most other problems using smarty search for it) and
+provide a symlink to the lower case name so we don't break compatibility.
+
+We could mention in the README.urpmi that the lower case folder name is
+deprecated and will be removed in the future, so people do have some
+time to change it in their web applications.
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+WDYT?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 16/07/12 07:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yesterday evening I did reboot my computer and the system was unable to
+</I>&gt;<i> boot until I disabled my crypted partition (my /home) in /etc/crypttab.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing asked me the key for the crypt partition, neither in graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> mode neither in text mode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olivier at localhost</A> ~]$ rpm -q systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-186-1.mga3
+</I>
+Hmmm, interesting.
+
+Have you booted with that systemd version before?
+
+What about booting with the latest plymouth? Do you use Plymouth? If so
+does booting without the &quot;splash&quot; kernel command line argument help here
+- i.e. do you see a text-based password request dialog.
+
+How does the boot freeze? Does it just wait forever? I presume (as it's
+/home) that you do get out of the initrd OK and the running system
+starts to boot?
+
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+--
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 16/07/12 09:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Am 16.07.2012 08:59, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But do you know, if there's software calling for the lowercase name?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So we do not fix it for some but break it for others.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A thought that ocurred to me about this:
+</I>&gt;<i> We could rename those folders to the upper case (when Fedora and Suse do
+</I>&gt;<i> it that way and most other problems using smarty search for it) and
+</I>&gt;<i> provide a symlink to the lower case name so we don't break compatibility.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could mention in the README.urpmi that the lower case folder name is
+</I>&gt;<i> deprecated and will be removed in the future, so people do have some
+</I>&gt;<i> time to change it in their web applications.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+This seems like the best solution overall.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>ldconfig: /usr/lib64/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1 is not an ELF file - it has
+the wrong magic bytes at the start.
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 15/07/12 14:16 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we're in the install then plymouth-set-default-theme gets called
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anyway (without the -R). So to me it seems like this is just a redundant
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> call.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only thing I'd suggest is that we add a -u argument to switch-themes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to ensure it calls plymouth-set-default-theme internally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to be the contrary, switch-themes runs
+</I>&gt;<i> plymouth-set-default-theme if no -u is supplied:
+</I>&gt;<i> if [[ -z $update ]]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme $theme
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>
+Yeah sorry. I wrote that bit of the mail when I was in mid-analysis of
+the code, and then realised that the -u argument was not what was wanted
+but forgot to remove this section of the mail before sending. D'oh!
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Although as we should likely try and phase out some of the black magic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of these bootsplash scripts, I'd actually rather just do something like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this in %post:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if [ -f /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/Mageia.png -a ! -f
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png -o -L
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png ]; then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rm -f /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ln -s Mageia-Default-1600x1200.png /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/default.png
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rm -f
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/Mageia-Default-{0000,0700,1300,1800}.jpg ||:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rm -f /usr/share/mga/backgrounds/Mageia.xml ||:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rm -f
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/mdk/backgrounds/Mandriva-{Free,Flash,One,Powerpack}-{0000,0700,1300,1800}.jpg
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ||:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rm -f /usr/share/mdk/backgrounds/Mandriva.xml ||:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if [ -z &quot;$DURING_INSTALL&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if [ -x /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/switch-themes ]; then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/switch-themes Mageia-Default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash ]; then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl -pi -e 's/^s*SPLASH=.*/SPLASH=auto/;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> s/^s*THEME=.*/THEME=Mageia-Default/' /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme Mageia-Default
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This %post script always looked a bit convoluted to me, couldn't we move
+</I>&gt;<i> all this in the switch-themes script?
+</I>
+There is some argument for that but to be honest I'd rather just get rid
+of switch themes altogether and use (whenever possible) the upstream
+plymouht-set-default-theme script instead. But this is longer term and
+cauldron chat - I'm also interested in doing just enough now to get the
+package updated in mga2 such that at least net installs work. This means
+minimal changes and preferably only to one package!
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 16/07/12 09:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 16.07.2012 08:59, schrieb Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But do you know, if there's software calling for the lowercase name?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So we do not fix it for some but break it for others.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A thought that ocurred to me about this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We could rename those folders to the upper case (when Fedora and Suse do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it that way and most other problems using smarty search for it) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provide a symlink to the lower case name so we don't break compatibility.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We could mention in the README.urpmi that the lower case folder name is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> deprecated and will be removed in the future, so people do have some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time to change it in their web applications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems like the best solution overall.
+</I>Using README.urpmi for advertising development-specific information is
+overkill. The amount of information sent by this media to end user
+should be kept minimal, and stay focused on mandatory informations only.
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 16/07/12 07:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yesterday evening I did reboot my computer and the system was unable to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot until I disabled my crypted partition (my /home) in /etc/crypttab.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Nothing asked me the key for the crypt partition, neither in graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mode neither in text mode.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olivier at localhost</A> ~]$ rpm -q systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd-186-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmmm, interesting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have you booted with that systemd version before?
+</I>
+Probably not, it's hard to know since I use pm-{suspend,hibernate} to
+move my laptop and I reboot only when the wake up fails.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about booting with the latest plymouth? Do you use Plymouth? If so
+</I>&gt;<i> does booting without the &quot;splash&quot; kernel command line argument help here
+</I>&gt;<i> - i.e. do you see a text-based password request dialog.
+</I>
+I use plymouth: plymouth-0.8.5.1-1.mga3 (it seems it's the latest,
+installed the July, 9).
+Notice I got message &quot;assert [...] != NULL failed&quot; when I hit esc key
+and a special character keep apparing like a key were pressed
+permanently until I hit &lt;esc&gt; again.
+
+I haven't see any password request in text mode.
+
+The issue is the same in &quot;failsafe mode&quot; and iirc it does not have
+the &quot;splash&quot; mode.
+
+&gt;<i> How does the boot freeze? Does it just wait forever? I presume (as it's
+</I>&gt;<i> /home) that you do get out of the initrd OK and the running system
+</I>&gt;<i> starts to boot?
+</I>
+After waiting about 30 seconds, messages appear about unresolved dependencies
+over /home.
+
+In failsafe mode it ask for root password to enter in rescue mode.
+
+I'll reboot this afternoon to check if initrd success or failed and
+get more informations.
+
+Regards.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
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+&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 10:31, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 16/07/12 09:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could mention in the README.urpmi that the lower case folder name is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> deprecated and will be removed in the future, so people do have some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time to change it in their web applications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This seems like the best solution overall.
+</I>&gt;<i> Using README.urpmi for advertising development-specific information is
+</I>&gt;<i> overkill. The amount of information sent by this media to end user
+</I>&gt;<i> should be kept minimal, and stay focused on mandatory informations only.
+</I>Well, this change could very well break self built web applications, so
+we should tell people about it, shouldn't we?
+So what way for telling people about it do you propose if not using
+README.urpmi?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 16/07/12 00:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 07/16/2012 01:34 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On my system I see the following:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> gcc]$ rpm -ql libgcc1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see this results in a conflict between these two files:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They ultimately (via some strange symlinks) point at the same file so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can be dropped, but I cannot, for the life of me see where the symlink:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is created in the spec. I can see a file of that name being specifically
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moved out the way but I cannot see how it is then recreated with that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> name again!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can anyone see in the gcc spec where this file is created?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ldconfig ? I tried renaming mine, and ldconfig recreated it.
+</I>
+Maybe, but I'm still not sure how it ends up in the package itself :s
+
+i.e. ldconfig is not run there (unless it's done automatically
+somewhere) and I cannot see where the file can possibly be created.
+
+Col
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+<PRE>Le 16/07/2012 11:01, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 16.07.2012 10:37, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 10:31, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 16/07/12 09:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could mention in the README.urpmi that the lower case folder name is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> deprecated and will be removed in the future, so people do have some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time to change it in their web applications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This seems like the best solution overall.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using README.urpmi for advertising development-specific information is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overkill. The amount of information sent by this media to end user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be kept minimal, and stay focused on mandatory informations only.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, this change could very well break self built web applications, so
+</I>&gt;<i> we should tell people about it, shouldn't we?
+</I>&gt;<i> So what way for telling people about it do you propose if not using
+</I>&gt;<i> README.urpmi?
+</I>The package changelog is enough, for me. Otherwise, you also have
+README.mga, for distribution-specific information.
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+&gt;<i> Am 16.07.2012 10:37, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 10:31, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 16/07/12 09:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could mention in the README.urpmi that the lower case folder name is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> deprecated and will be removed in the future, so people do have some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time to change it in their web applications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This seems like the best solution overall.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using README.urpmi for advertising development-specific information is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overkill. The amount of information sent by this media to end user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be kept minimal, and stay focused on mandatory informations only.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, this change could very well break self built web applications, so we
+</I>&gt;<i> should tell people about it, shouldn't we?
+</I>&gt;<i> So what way for telling people about it do you propose if not using
+</I>&gt;<i> README.urpmi?
+</I>
+It can be added to Mageia 3 Release Notes.
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+&gt;<i> Probably not, it's hard to know since I use pm-{suspend,hibernate} to
+</I>&gt;<i> move my laptop and I reboot only when the wake up fails.
+</I>Using suspension instead of shutdown makes usage of harddisk encryption
+almost useless...
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+<PRE>* Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 10:54, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Probably not, it's hard to know since I use pm-{suspend,hibernate} to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> move my laptop and I reboot only when the wake up fails.
+</I>&gt;<i> Using suspension instead of shutdown makes usage of harddisk encryption
+</I>&gt;<i> almost useless...
+</I>
+When the computer wake up the screen saver lock the screen so data are
+not accessible and switching to runlevel 1 need a reboot.
+
+However my /home is crypted also for testing purpose, not only to hide
+data.
+
+Regards.
+
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+<PRE>Am 16.07.2012 11:32, schrieb nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 16.07.2012 10:37, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 10:31, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 16/07/12 09:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could mention in the README.urpmi that the lower case folder name is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> deprecated and will be removed in the future, so people do have some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time to change it in their web applications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This seems like the best solution overall.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Using README.urpmi for advertising development-specific information is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> overkill. The amount of information sent by this media to end user
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be kept minimal, and stay focused on mandatory informations only.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, this change could very well break self built web applications, so we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should tell people about it, shouldn't we?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So what way for telling people about it do you propose if not using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> README.urpmi?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It can be added to Mageia 3 Release Notes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ok, that is a solution.
+
+So I would now change the packages to
+- use the upper case folder name (as it's done by fedora and opensuse)
+- add a lower case sym link for compatibility reasons
+
+We can add this to the changelog and the Mga3 release notes and remove
+the symlink again after Mga3.
+This will give people time to adapt their code.
+
+Comments on that?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 16/07/12 10:55 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 10:54, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Probably not, it's hard to know since I use pm-{suspend,hibernate} to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> move my laptop and I reboot only when the wake up fails.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using suspension instead of shutdown makes usage of harddisk encryption
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> almost useless...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When the computer wake up the screen saver lock the screen so data are
+</I>&gt;<i> not accessible and switching to runlevel 1 need a reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However my /home is crypted also for testing purpose, not only to hide
+</I>&gt;<i> data.
+</I>
+
+Hopefully new plymouth will fix the password entry at boot.
+
+Sorry for forgetting about this issue (which I even reported upstream!).
+Brain fail :p
+
+Col
+
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+as last year we will be at the Free and Open Source Software Conference
+(FrOSCon, <A HREF="http://www.froscon.de/en/home/">http://www.froscon.de/en/home/</A>) in St. Augustin (near
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+At the moment we are already a rather nice bunch of Mageia people there,
+but we are always happy to see more of you there.
+So if you shouldn't live all too far from Collogne and have some free
+time on that weekend, just drop by there.
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+Cheers,
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+&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> init.d]# ldconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> ldconfig: /usr/lib64/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1 is not an ELF file - it has
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+Already mentioned this morning, (see &quot;libpostfix issue&quot;) but no reply yet.
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+&gt;<i> Already mentioned this morning, (see &quot;libpostfix issue&quot;) but no reply
+</I>&gt;<i> yet. Col
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+Ah, I was away for the weekend, and had almost 600 messages in my inbox
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+Obviously I'm biased on this :P
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+&gt;<i> See attached for info about Cinnamon
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Obviously I'm biased on this :P
+</I>
+That sounds similar to what I've heard from a friend of mine in Fedora.
+They had some endless discussion (which became ugly at some points)
+about it...
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+&gt;<i> Am 16.07.2012 19:23, schrieb Olav Vitters:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See attached for info about Cinnamon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Obviously I'm biased on this :P
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That sounds similar to what I've heard from a friend of mine in Fedora.
+</I>&gt;<i> They had some endless discussion (which became ugly at some points) about
+</I>&gt;<i> it...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia contributor
+</I>
+The whole thing seems to be a large mess that I would stay away from,
+it seems that the projects in this area change every 2 weeks so maybe
+if they can show some stability.
+
+The points about debian/ubuntu bugs makes me want to run from it, we
+are after all trying to promote free software....
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+My 2 pence
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+<PRE>Op maandag 16 juli 2012 16:14:40 schreef Oliver Burger:
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as last year we will be at the Free and Open Source Software Conference
+</I>&gt;<i> (FrOSCon, <A HREF="http://www.froscon.de/en/home/">http://www.froscon.de/en/home/</A>) in St. Augustin (near
+</I>&gt;<i> Collogne, Germany).
+</I>&gt;<i> At the moment we are already a rather nice bunch of Mageia people there,
+</I>&gt;<i> but we are always happy to see more of you there.
+</I>&gt;<i> So if you shouldn't live all too far from Collogne and have some free
+</I>&gt;<i> time on that weekend, just drop by there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+I might not be able to make it this year. Even though i had thought of
+bringing the wife and kids...
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+&gt;<i> mesa now also installs a /etc/drirc file by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora packages it in their mesa-dri-drivers package, but we can't put
+</I>&gt;<i> it in our libified drivers package, it would cause conflicts.
+</I>&gt;<i> Because we could add (or resurrect) a &quot;mesa&quot; noarch package with only a
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/drirc file, and make the dridrivers package require it?
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+<PRE>Le 16/07/2012 18:17, colin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : crystalhd Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Broadcom Crystal HD decoder driver and library
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Driver and support library for Broadcom Crystal HD hardware video
+</I>&gt;<i> decoder.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To use the device, you need to copy the appropriate firmware file to
+</I>&gt;<i> the /lib/firmware directory:
+</I>&gt;<i> - BCM70012 devices: bcm70012fw.bin
+</I>&gt;<i> - BCM70015 devices: bcm70015fw.bin
+</I>
+I think, it will be better not to have &quot;how to use&quot; in %description but
+in a README.urpmi file.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hopefully new plymouth will fix the password entry at boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for forgetting about this issue (which I even reported upstream!).
+</I>&gt;<i> Brain fail :p
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+I just reboot for testing and it works well with latest plymouth.
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+Big thanks for the quick fix (to you and blino).
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+&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 18:17, colin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : crystalhd Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Broadcom Crystal HD decoder driver and library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Driver and support library for Broadcom Crystal HD hardware video
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> decoder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To use the device, you need to copy the appropriate firmware file to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the /lib/firmware directory:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - BCM70012 devices: bcm70012fw.bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - BCM70015 devices: bcm70015fw.bin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think, it will be better not to have &quot;how to use&quot; in %description but
+</I>&gt;<i> in a README.urpmi file.
+</I>I even wonder why the package can't manage this directly.
+
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 18:20, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 18:17, colin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : crystalhd Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Broadcom Crystal HD decoder driver and library
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Driver and support library for Broadcom Crystal HD hardware video
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> decoder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To use the device, you need to copy the appropriate firmware file to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the /lib/firmware directory:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - BCM70012 devices: bcm70012fw.bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - BCM70015 devices: bcm70015fw.bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think, it will be better not to have &quot;how to use&quot; in %description but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in a README.urpmi file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I even wonder why the package can't manage this directly.
+</I>
+Yes they should be in a crystalhd-firmware in nonfree, they are
+redistributable from what I read on
+<A HREF="http://www.broadcom.com/support/crystal_hd/">http://www.broadcom.com/support/crystal_hd/</A>
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+I just submitted apache 2.4 to build bot, meaning it should land soon in
+cauldron. The largest change in this release is not the version change,
+but the large cleanup of setup, inspired by both fedora and debian
+packages (meaning also getting rid of mandriva legacy...):
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+- the configuration is now split in three different /etc/httpd/conf
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+ * conf.f for generic server configuration
+ * sites.d for site-specific configuration
+- the files in modules.d only deal with module loading
+- the files in modules.d use a lighter versioning scheme
+- there is no extramodules directory for external modules
+- no mix of 'httpd' and 'apache' directories anymore
+- less verbose configuration files
+
+I did not try to rebuild additional modules yet, not even to ensure
+smooth upgrade (excepted creation of vhosts.d and webapps.d symlinks to
+sites.d). As this work took longer than expected, I prefered not to keep
+svn directory out of sync with reality much longer...
+
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+BOFH excuse #191:
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+Just type 'mv * /dev/null'.
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 16/07/12 22:50 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hello list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just submitted apache 2.4 to build bot, meaning it should land soon in
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron. The largest change in this release is not the version change,
+</I>&gt;<i> but the large cleanup of setup, inspired by both fedora and debian
+</I>&gt;<i> packages (meaning also getting rid of mandriva legacy...):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - all configuration now reside under a single directory
+</I>&gt;<i> - the configuration is now split in three different /etc/httpd/conf
+</I>&gt;<i> subdirectories:
+</I>&gt;<i> * modules.d for modules loading directives
+</I>&gt;<i> * conf.f for generic server configuration
+</I>
+I would prefer conf.d :p
+
+&gt;<i> * sites.d for site-specific configuration
+</I>
+Cool.
+
+It's at this point however that I ask if we should ever have any
+/usr/lib/httpd/conf/ structure added? It's a kinda tough on here as
+apache config is very much meant to be edited, but if packages (and
+packaged modules) are shipping config files, perhaps they should be
+installed in /usr/lib instead and made non-editable (i.e. not %config)
+where admins are meant to provide any customisations they need into
+files in /etc/. While this is the general approach that is being
+attempted in other areas of the system, I'm not 100% convinced it really
+works well for apache setups!
+
+Still some food for thought :)
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have updated cauldron and also installed gdm, and runned
+</I>&gt;<i> MCC-&gt;Boot-&gt;Set up display manager and choose GDM, but when i logged
+</I>&gt;<i> out i got an image saying an error occurred and that i should contact
+</I>&gt;<i> the system administrator.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I have more strange behaviour for GDM.
+
+I log in, log out, and can not log in again as myself. No session menu
+in GDM if I choose my name. Other users can log in, but then it happens
+again for them.
+
+More, if I log in and out, and try to restart the box from GDM, it tells
+me that other users are logged and it needs my password to reboot.
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+It looks like the session is somehow not ended, and GDM thinks I am still
+logged. It happens in all the boxes I have running cauldron.
+
+Any ideas ?
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+ <B>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz</B>
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+&gt;<i> ldconfig: /usr/lib64/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1 is not an ELF file - it has
+</I>&gt;<i> the wrong magic bytes at the start.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Col
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+<PRE>Le lundi 16 juillet 2012 09:32:13 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> ldconfig: /usr/lib64/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1 is not an ELF file - it has
+</I>&gt;<i> the wrong magic bytes at the start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 16 juillet 2012 09:32:13 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> ldconfig: /usr/lib64/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1 is not an ELF file - it has
+</I>&gt;<i> the wrong magic bytes at the start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Is this postfix package issue or libgcc issue?
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ldconfig: /usr/lib64/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1 is not an ELF file - it has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the wrong magic bytes at the start.
+</I>&gt;<i> how tofix this&quot;?
+</I>
+Looks to me like it's a postfix problem.
+
+file /usr/lib/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1
+/usr/lib/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1: current ar archive
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+ar -t /usr/lib/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1
+xsasl_server.o
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+xsasl_cyrus_security.o
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+Everytime i start k3b i get this message:
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+K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you
+will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux
+distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.
+Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding
+library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may
+already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).
+Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online
+update tool.
+
+but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?
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+PEdro
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:18:45 -0400, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 16 juillet 2012 09:32:13 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ldconfig: /usr/lib64/libpostfix-xsasl.so.1 is not an ELF file - it has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the wrong magic bytes at the start.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how tofix this&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks to me like it's a postfix problem.
+</I>
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure about how to fix it.
+</I>
+I am not sure this is a postfix issue, I found this in postfix spec
+file:
+
+%if %{with dynamicmaps}
+for i in lib/*.a; do
+ j=${i#lib/lib}
+ install $i %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/libpostfix-${j%.a}.so.1
+done
+%endif
+
+The libpostfix-${j%.a}.so.1 look really suspicious (hardcode major,
+shell magic replacement, ...).
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+<PRE>Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everytime i start k3b i get this message:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.
+</I>&gt;<i> K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you
+</I>&gt;<i> will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.
+</I>&gt;<i> Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding
+</I>&gt;<i> library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may
+</I>&gt;<i> already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).
+</I>&gt;<i> Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online
+</I>&gt;<i> update tool.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> PEdro
+</I>
+hello,
+
+Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.
+
+I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.
+Regards,
+Nicolas.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 08:22:00 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Everytime i start k3b i get this message:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; update tool.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; PEdro
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Nicolas.
+</I>
+there is already a tainted section in k3b in fact.
+
+which k3b have you installed ?
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+&gt;<i> nanardon &lt;nanardon&gt; 2.7.2-7.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 271750
+</I>&gt;<i> - correction initscript
+</I>initscripts are deprecated, you're supposed to use systemd service now...
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+&gt;<i> Le 17/07/2012 08:53, nanardon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nanardon &lt;nanardon&gt; 2.7.2-7.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 271750
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - correction initscript
+</I>&gt;<i> initscripts are deprecated, you're supposed to use systemd service now...
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+BTW: I've read (quickly) initscripts will no longer be supported in
+mageia 3.
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+If true, what about proprietary applications ?
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+<PRE>Le 17/07/2012 09:27, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 17/07/2012 08:53, nanardon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nanardon &lt;nanardon&gt; 2.7.2-7.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 271750
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - correction initscript
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initscripts are deprecated, you're supposed to use systemd service now...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: I've read (quickly) initscripts will no longer be supported in
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If true, what about proprietary applications ?
+</I>Same as before: you have to write systemd services yourself if the
+application doesn't provide one. Being proprietary doesn't change
+anything here.
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+&gt;<i> Le 17/07/2012 09:27, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 17/07/2012 08:53, nanardon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nanardon &lt;nanardon&gt; 2.7.2-7.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 271750
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - correction initscript
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> initscripts are deprecated, you're supposed to use systemd service now...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW: I've read (quickly) initscripts will no longer be supported in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If true, what about proprietary applications ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Same as before: you have to write systemd services yourself if the
+</I>&gt;<i> application doesn't provide one. Being proprietary doesn't change
+</I>&gt;<i> anything here.
+</I>
+I do think a lot of sysadmin will just see their application doesn't
+works anymore and prefer to switch to another distribution (more
+enterprise oriented).
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+&gt;<i> Just consider it could be even worse, apparently :)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/506831/0374eb14c13b0c83/">http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/506831/0374eb14c13b0c83/</A>
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+For something that is supposed to be the unstable branch, I don't have
+any issues with Cauldron. I furthermore ran Cooker for many years as
+well.
+
+You do have to keep an eye out on the mailing list for announcement of
+breakages. But it seems relatively minor. I think the difference is
+attitude. Cauldron is used by people and should work. Rawhide appears to
+be a bad version of Cauldrons updates_testing.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 17/07/2012 09:27, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 17/07/2012 08:53, nanardon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nanardon &lt;nanardon&gt; 2.7.2-7.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 271750
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - correction initscript
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> initscripts are deprecated, you're supposed to use systemd service now...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW: I've read (quickly) initscripts will no longer be supported in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If true, what about proprietary applications ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Same as before: you have to write systemd services yourself if the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> application doesn't provide one. Being proprietary doesn't change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anything here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do think a lot of sysadmin will just see their application doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> works anymore and prefer to switch to another distribution (more
+</I>&gt;<i> enterprise oriented).
+</I>
+initscript are still recognized and will still be by systemd. This is
+just that in mageia 3 we won't support booting with old sysvinit way,
+only with systemd ( that understand and use old sysvinit system when
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+&gt;<i> It looks like the session is somehow not ended, and GDM thinks I am still
+</I>&gt;<i> logged. It happens in all the boxes I have running cauldron.
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+Noticed the same. No idea what causes it. Assume everyone uses GNOME
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+&gt;<i> The webconverger project ping it's installed base.
+</I>&gt;<i> Any thoughts about such a tool in Mageia? Is it privacy safe to do that?
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ping.webconverger.org/">http://ping.webconverger.org/</A>
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+I believe we can extract such info from the logs of mirrorlist server
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+</I>&gt;<i>any issues with Cauldron. I furthermore ran Cooker for many years as
+</I>&gt;<i>well.
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+Sadly, that may become the problem of Mageia : more developpers using Cauldron than stable releases, so very few daily bugs fixed.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> For something that is supposed to be the unstable branch, I don't have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any issues with Cauldron. I furthermore ran Cooker for many years as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sadly, that may become the problem of Mageia : more developpers using Cauldron than stable releases, so very few daily bugs fixed.
+</I>
+Maybe you discover it now. But it's quite a well-known problem and we
+had it for ages also in Mandriva
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+Anne
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:30 AM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The webconverger project ping it's installed base.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any thoughts about such a tool in Mageia? Is it privacy safe to do that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ping.webconverger.org/">http://ping.webconverger.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I believe we can extract such info from the logs of mirrorlist server
+</I>&gt;<i> (I believe it knows if this is a new install)
+</I>
+Logs are strange, I'll let Romain comment on what it means :)
+
+ 34713 upgrade 2 i586
+ 32400 upgrade 2 x86_64
+ 17002 upgrade 1 i586
+ 6167 upgrade
+ 4848 upgrade 1 x86_64
+ 651 install 2 i586
+ 359 install 2 x86_64
+ 193 upgrade 3 x86_64
+ 134 upgrade Koubou i686
+ 105 upgrade 3 i586
+ 62 upgrade cauldron i586
+ 54 upgrade 2010.1 i586
+ 47 upgrade Cauldron i586
+ 46 upgrade 2010.2 i586
+ 26 upgrade Cauldron x86_64
+ 26 upgrade 2010.2 x86_64
+ 23 upgrade 2011.0 i586
+ 17 upgrade cauldron x86_64
+ 12 upgrade 2011.0 x86_64
+ 6 upgrade mga1 i586
+ 6 upgrade 2
+ 2 upgrade 2010.1 x86_64
+ 2 upgrade 2010.0 i586
+ 1 upgrade Cauldron armv5tl
+ 1 upgrade 2012.0 x86_64
+ 1 upgrade 2010.0 x86_64
+ 1 upgrade 2009.1 i586
+ 1 upgrade 2009.0 i586
+ 1 upgrade 1 armv5tl
+ 1 install
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+&gt;<i> Le 17/07/2012 11:39, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A> a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For something that is supposed to be the unstable branch, I don't have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> any issues with Cauldron. I furthermore ran Cooker for many years as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sadly, that may become the problem of Mageia : more developpers using Cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than stable releases, so very few daily bugs fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you discover it now. But it's quite a well-known problem and we had it for
+</I>&gt;<i> ages also in Mandriva
+</I>
+That would be interesting to find and discuss ideas to solve that problem,
+especially if it has been going on for years ...
+
+We are crucially lacking packagers/maintainers, so recruitment of packager
+apprentices is one solution. We saw that, for QA, blog/forum/mailing list posts
+were quite efficient in helping to recruit.
+
+Another idea is to involve packagers more on stable releases: maybe we could
+have a couple of bug squashing week-ends, in collaboration with QA and the
+bugsquad team, to sort out and fix many existing bugs on mga 1 and 2.
+
+--
+Malo
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+<PRE>2012/7/17 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 08:22:00 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Everytime i start k3b i get this message:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; update tool.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; PEdro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> there is already a tainted section in k3b in fact.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which k3b have you installed ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I suppose that the lame is already installed (?)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 17/07/12 08:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 17/07/2012 09:27, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 17/07/2012 08:53, nanardon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nanardon &lt;nanardon&gt; 2.7.2-7.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 271750
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - correction initscript
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> initscripts are deprecated, you're supposed to use systemd service now...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW: I've read (quickly) initscripts will no longer be supported in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If true, what about proprietary applications ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Same as before: you have to write systemd services yourself if the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> application doesn't provide one. Being proprietary doesn't change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anything here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do think a lot of sysadmin will just see their application doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works anymore and prefer to switch to another distribution (more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enterprise oriented).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> initscript are still recognized and will still be by systemd. This is
+</I>&gt;<i> just that in mageia 3 we won't support booting with old sysvinit way,
+</I>&gt;<i> only with systemd ( that understand and use old sysvinit system when
+</I>&gt;<i> files are installed ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yup, that's exactly it. initscripts will still work (i.e. we won't
+compile systemd without the sysvinit generator), but we should try and
+aim to ship native units for everything if at all possible.
+
+In an ideal world we should not ship any initscript with mga3 and only
+provide native systemd units. It's maybe too much of a target, but it's
+good to aim for all the same!
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 17/07/12 09:50 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 01:34:56AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like the session is somehow not ended, and GDM thinks I am still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> logged. It happens in all the boxes I have running cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Noticed the same. No idea what causes it. Assume everyone uses GNOME
+</I>&gt;<i> right? Wondering if it is a problem in gnome-session or GDM.
+</I>
+Yeah I noticed this too. It could even be something related to systemd
+user sessions... There will be a new systemd at some point this week so
+we can see if it improves then.
+
+I logout so rarely and this is effectively a one user machine (my other
+user is just for testing) that this issue doesn't really affect me, but
+it does obviously need addressed at some point!
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 16/07/12 00:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 07/16/2012 01:34 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On my system I see the following:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> gcc]$ rpm -ql libgcc1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see this results in a conflict between these two files:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They ultimately (via some strange symlinks) point at the same file so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can be dropped, but I cannot, for the life of me see where the symlink:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is created in the spec. I can see a file of that name being specifically
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moved out the way but I cannot see how it is then recreated with that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> name again!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can anyone see in the gcc spec where this file is created?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ldconfig ? I tried renaming mine, and ldconfig recreated it.
+</I>
+I'm completely blind. I can see it clearly in the spec. I was just
+reading my ln commands badly or missing a %_prefix or something... hey
+ho', I know the fix now at least!
+
+Col
+
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 14/07/12 13:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 12/07/12 15:42 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know pretty much nothing about TCB authentication stuff that was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initially spearheaded by Vincent Danen many years ago in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> days (taking work from his Anvix project IIRC)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Our shadow-utils package (basically no different to Mandriva's) had one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> large patch relating to TCB that I've now dropped as upstream
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shadow-utils now has it's own TCB support.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It required a couple build fixes (nothing too crazy) and things seem to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work still for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've also dropped a few binaries we do not use or are provided by other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages (sometimes in different paths e.g. /bin/login vs. /usr/bin/login).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Everything still seems to work for me. I can login, create users, su to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other users etc. etc (although only the creation of users actually uses
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the stuff in this package and I didn't know how to provide an encrypted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> password when testing that, so not sure if my tests are even vaguely valid!)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please test before I release it on the rest of Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone who has any specific knowledge of this package I would very much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appreciate a review.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/shadow-utils/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/shadow-utils/current/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has anyone checked this other than me yet?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to push this but would like at least some other confirmation
+</I>&gt;<i> that it doesn't break things :D
+</I>
+
+OK, I asked twice, now you're all getting it!
+
+Pushed to cauldron proper now :p
+
+(I'm sure it'll be fine :D)
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 17/07/12 15:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 17 July 2012 13:00, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we should try and aim to ship native units for everything if at all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a guide somewhere that explains how to convert a sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> script into a systemd script, for those of us who don't know how to
+</I>&gt;<i> convert scripts in packages that we maintain?
+</I>
+There isn't so much a guide as such, but all the systemd unit stuff is
+documented very well in &quot;man systemd.{unit,service,exec}&quot; which is all
+available on the upstream systemd website too.
+
+Typically a systemd unit is very simple. It only really gets complicated
+if your service does some random housekeeping stuff or starts multiple
+daemons, but this is the exception rather than the rule.
+
+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 17/07/12 14:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 16/07/12 00:54 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/16/2012 01:34 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On my system I see the following:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> gcc]$ rpm -ql libgcc1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see this results in a conflict between these two files:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> They ultimately (via some strange symlinks) point at the same file so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can be dropped, but I cannot, for the life of me see where the symlink:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is created in the spec. I can see a file of that name being specifically
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> moved out the way but I cannot see how it is then recreated with that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> name again!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can anyone see in the gcc spec where this file is created?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ldconfig ? I tried renaming mine, and ldconfig recreated it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm completely blind. I can see it clearly in the spec. I was just
+</I>&gt;<i> reading my ln commands badly or missing a %_prefix or something... hey
+</I>&gt;<i> ho', I know the fix now at least!
+</I>
+False alarm. I looked at the wrong file *again*. So still can't see
+where in the spec this is generated :(
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 17/07/12 14:52 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 16/07/12 00:54 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/16/2012 01:34 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On my system I see the following:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> gcc]$ rpm -ql libgcc1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see this results in a conflict between these two files:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> They ultimately (via some strange symlinks) point at the same file so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can be dropped, but I cannot, for the life of me see where the symlink:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is created in the spec. I can see a file of that name being specifically
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> moved out the way but I cannot see how it is then recreated with that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> name again!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can anyone see in the gcc spec where this file is created?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ldconfig ? I tried renaming mine, and ldconfig recreated it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm completely blind. I can see it clearly in the spec. I was just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reading my ln commands badly or missing a %_prefix or something... hey
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ho', I know the fix now at least!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> False alarm. I looked at the wrong file *again*. So still can't see
+</I>&gt;<i> where in the spec this is generated :(
+</I>
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 17 juli 2012 10:48:42 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:30 AM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The webconverger project ping it's installed base.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Any thoughts about such a tool in Mageia? Is it privacy safe to do that?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://ping.webconverger.org/">http://ping.webconverger.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I believe we can extract such info from the logs of mirrorlist server
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (I believe it knows if this is a new install)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Logs are strange, I'll let Romain comment on what it means :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 34713 upgrade 2 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 32400 upgrade 2 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 17002 upgrade 1 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 6167 upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> 4848 upgrade 1 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 651 install 2 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 359 install 2 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 193 upgrade 3 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 134 upgrade Koubou i686
+</I>&gt;<i> 105 upgrade 3 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 62 upgrade cauldron i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 54 upgrade 2010.1 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 47 upgrade Cauldron i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 46 upgrade 2010.2 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 26 upgrade Cauldron x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 26 upgrade 2010.2 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 23 upgrade 2011.0 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 17 upgrade cauldron x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 12 upgrade 2011.0 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 6 upgrade mga1 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 6 upgrade 2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 upgrade 2010.1 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 upgrade 2010.0 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 upgrade Cauldron armv5tl
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 upgrade 2012.0 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 upgrade 2010.0 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 upgrade 2009.1 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 upgrade 2009.0 i586
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 upgrade 1 armv5tl
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 install
+</I>
+mandriva's i could get... even some arm in here, but WTH is a Koubou ?
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+I would like to replace flash-player by gnash.
+My browser is midori and thus uses webkit.
+
+By looking at the list of packages relevant to gnash,
+I find a gnash-firefox-plugin plugin.
+On the other hand, there is no plugin for webkit.
+I tried the firefox plugin, but without result.
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+&gt;<i> colin &lt;colin&gt; 2:4.1.5.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 271844
+</I>&gt;<i> + rebuild (emptylog)
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+What do you think about dropping hal for Mageia 3?
+I was planning to ask it for Mageia 2 but it was too late.
+I made some cleaning in May but it still remains:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dams at maximus</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires hal
+draksnapshot
+draksnapshot
+hal
+lib64hal-devel
+lib64hal1
+libhal-devel
+libhal1
+sugar
+sugar
+usb-imagewriter
+usb-imagewriter
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dams at maximus</A> ~]$ urpmq --whatrequires libhal1
+hal
+libhal-devel
+libhal1
+librapi2
+libsynce0
+nut-drivers-hal
+wmbattery
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dams at maximus</A> ~]$
+
+If packagers can check their packages to remove hal deps, I will add it
+to task-obsoletes before first alpha.
+Thanks.
+--
+Damien Lallement
+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 08:22:00 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Everytime i start k3b i get this message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; update tool.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; PEdro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> there is already a tainted section in k3b in fact.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which k3b have you installed ?
+</I>
+]$ rpm -qa|grep k3b
+lib64k3bdevice6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+lib64k3blib6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+k3b-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+
+]$ rpm -qa|grep lame
+lib64lame-devel-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+lame-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+lib64lame0-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+lib64twolame0-0.3.13-1.mga2
+gstreamer0.10-twolame-0.10.19-2.mga2.tainted
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+lib64twolame-devel-0.3.13-1.mga2
+twolame-0.3.13-1.mga2
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+as you see im using the tainted releases
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+-----
+installing apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Preparing...
+###############################################################################################################
+mkdir: cannot create directory '/etc/httpd/conf/sites.d': No such file
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+rmdir: failed to remove '/etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d': No such file or
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+rmdir: failed to remove '/etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d': No such file or
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+error: %pre(apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 1
+error: apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+error: apache-mpm-prefork-2.2.22-14.mga3.x86_64: erase skipped
+-----
+
+Oliver
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+<PRE>Le 18/07/2012 09:27, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Trying to update my Cauldron installation I'm getting the following
+</I>&gt;<i> errors about the apache package:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -----
+</I>&gt;<i> installing apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;<i> ###############################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mkdir: cannot create directory '/etc/httpd/conf/sites.d': No such file
+</I>&gt;<i> or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> rmdir: failed to remove '/etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d': No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;<i> rmdir: failed to remove '/etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d': No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;<i> error: %pre(apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 1
+</I>&gt;<i> error: apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+</I>&gt;<i> error: apache-mpm-prefork-2.2.22-14.mga3.x86_64: erase skipped
+</I>&gt;<i> -----
+</I>Is this an update or an initial installation of apache package ?
+
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+<PRE>Am 18.07.2012 09:58, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Le 18/07/2012 09:27, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Trying to update my Cauldron installation I'm getting the following
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> errors about the apache package:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ###############################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mkdir: cannot create directory '/etc/httpd/conf/sites.d': No such file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rmdir: failed to remove '/etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d': No such file or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rmdir: failed to remove '/etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d': No such file or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: %pre(apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: apache-mpm-prefork-2.2.22-14.mga3.x86_64: erase skipped
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this an update or an initial installation of apache package ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>An update, I installed this cauldron machine just before the new apache
+package arrived.
+By the way, it did uninstall apache_mod-php (as far as I know the new
+apache doesn't support it anymore) but it does not install a replacement.
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+&gt;<i> On 17 July 2012 16:11, colin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> colin &lt;colin&gt; 2:4.1.5.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 271844
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + rebuild (emptylog)
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+</I>&gt;<i> What for?
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+Hmm, for some reason I thought that core/updates_testing builds didn't
+get a markrelease and thus the previous commit message would have been
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+release (seeing as no one actually tested it - now everyone has to!)
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+<PRE>Le 18/07/2012 10:02, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 18.07.2012 09:58, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18/07/2012 09:27, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Trying to update my Cauldron installation I'm getting the following
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> errors about the apache package:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installing apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ###############################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mkdir: cannot create directory '/etc/httpd/conf/sites.d': No such file
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rmdir: failed to remove '/etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d': No such file or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rmdir: failed to remove '/etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d': No such file or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: %pre(apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: apache-2.4.2-1.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: apache-mpm-prefork-2.2.22-14.mga3.x86_64: erase skipped
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this an update or an initial installation of apache package ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An update, I installed this cauldron machine just before the new apache
+</I>&gt;<i> package arrived.
+</I>No idea then, I can't reproduce.
+
+&gt;<i> By the way, it did uninstall apache_mod-php (as far as I know the new
+</I>&gt;<i> apache doesn't support it anymore) but it does not install a replacement.
+</I>Sure, it has not been rebuild yet.
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+&gt;<i> Le 18/07/2012 10:02, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> An update, I installed this cauldron machine just before the new apache
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package arrived.
+</I>&gt;<i> No idea then, I can't reproduce.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I just saw that /etc/httpd did only contain one empty directory modules.d,
+although the old mpm-prefork apache package was installed. I now
+uninstalled apache and did an urpme --auto-orphans after that.
+The empty directory /etc/httpd/modules.d remains.
+And I still get the same error messages trying to install apache. I then
+removed the /etc/httpd directory completely but I still get the same
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+<PRE>Le 18/07/2012 10:34, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 18.07.2012 10:17, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18/07/2012 10:02, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> An update, I installed this cauldron machine just before the new apache
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package arrived.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No idea then, I can't reproduce.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just saw that /etc/httpd did only contain one empty directory modules.d,
+</I>&gt;<i> although the old mpm-prefork apache package was installed. I now
+</I>&gt;<i> uninstalled apache and did an urpme --auto-orphans after that.
+</I>&gt;<i> The empty directory /etc/httpd/modules.d remains.
+</I>urpme --auto-orphans just call 'rpm -e', it does not change filesystem
+content directly. It means than any directory not known in rpm database
+will still be present on the disk after uninstallation.
+
+&gt;<i> And I still get the same error messages trying to install apache. I then
+</I>&gt;<i> removed the /etc/httpd directory completely but I still get the same
+</I>&gt;<i> error messages.
+</I>Installing from scratch will trigger the failure, I forgot to make the
+script specific to upgrade scenario only. However, it's unclear why it
+fails when upgrading from a previous installation (for you), where
+/etc/httpd/conf directory exist, but not /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d:
+
+# prevent symlink creation failure on update
+if [ ! -d /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d ]; then
+ mkdir /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d
+ mv -f /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d/* /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d 2&gt;/dev/null
+ mv -f /etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d/* /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d 2&gt;/dev/null
+ rmdir /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d
+ rmdir /etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d
+fi
+
+I guess it has something to do with exact package ordering during
+uninstallation transaction. In the past we had %pretrans trigger, I'm
+not sure it is still available.
+
+
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+--
+BOFH excuse #278:
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+The Dilithium Crystals need to be rotated.
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+<PRE>Am 18.07.2012 10:58, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Installing from scratch will trigger the failure, I forgot to make the
+</I>&gt;<i> script specific to upgrade scenario only. However, it's unclear why it
+</I>&gt;<i> fails when upgrading from a previous installation (for you), where
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/httpd/conf directory exist, but not /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # prevent symlink creation failure on update
+</I>&gt;<i> if [ ! -d /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i> mkdir /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d
+</I>&gt;<i> mv -f /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d/* /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d 2&gt;/dev/null
+</I>&gt;<i> mv -f /etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d/* /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d 2&gt;/dev/null
+</I>&gt;<i> rmdir /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d
+</I>&gt;<i> rmdir /etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess it has something to do with exact package ordering during
+</I>&gt;<i> uninstallation transaction. In the past we had %pretrans trigger, I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure it is still available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Another short question while we are on it.
+This does mean we have to change the web application packages (like
+drupal, mediawiki,...) who have files in /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d/,
+doesn't it?
+
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+<PRE>Le 18/07/2012 11:07, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 18.07.2012 10:58, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installing from scratch will trigger the failure, I forgot to make the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> script specific to upgrade scenario only. However, it's unclear why it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fails when upgrading from a previous installation (for you), where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/httpd/conf directory exist, but not /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # prevent symlink creation failure on update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if [ ! -d /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d ]; then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mkdir /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mv -f /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d/* /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d 2&gt;/dev/null
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mv -f /etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d/* /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d 2&gt;/dev/null
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rmdir /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rmdir /etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess it has something to do with exact package ordering during
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> uninstallation transaction. In the past we had %pretrans trigger, I'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not sure it is still available.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another short question while we are on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> This does mean we have to change the web application packages (like
+</I>&gt;<i> drupal, mediawiki,...) who have files in /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d/,
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't it?
+</I>Just rebuilding should be enough, once the %webappconfdir macro get
+updated in rpm-mageia-setup.
+
+BTW, there is no emergency here, given than /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d
+still exist as a symlink to /etc/httpd/conf/site.d
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Simple w at 17/07/12 21:56 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2012/7/17 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 08:22:00 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Everytime i start k3b i get this message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update tool.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PEdro
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there is already a tainted section in k3b in fact.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which k3b have you installed ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qa|grep k3b
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64k3bdevice6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64k3blib6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> k3b-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qa|grep lame
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64lame-devel-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> lame-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64lame0-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64twolame0-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-twolame-0.10.19-2.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-lame-0.10.19-2.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64twolame-devel-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> twolame-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as you see im using the tainted releases
+</I>
+And what about libmad as the instructions suggested? Is it installed?
+You will likely need: lib64mad0
+
+
+Note, that lame shouldn't be important here, nor should a tainted build
+of k3b be 100% required AFAIK. k3b is trying to *decode* mp3, not
+*encode* it and as far as I understand we've never had a problem
+including mp3 decoders in regular repositories - it's just the encoders
+we have an issue with (assuming my understanding correct of course!)
+
+Col.
+
+
+
+--
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 18/07/12 10:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Simple w at 17/07/12 21:56 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/7/17 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 08:22:00 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Everytime i start k3b i get this message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update tool.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PEdro
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there is already a tainted section in k3b in fact.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which k3b have you installed ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qa|grep k3b
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64k3bdevice6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64k3blib6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> k3b-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qa|grep lame
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64lame-devel-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lame-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64lame0-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64twolame0-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-twolame-0.10.19-2.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-lame-0.10.19-2.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64twolame-devel-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> twolame-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as you see im using the tainted releases
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And what about libmad as the instructions suggested? Is it installed?
+</I>&gt;<i> You will likely need: lib64mad0
+</I>
+Gah I see you said you have that already :p
+
+Check to see if there is a k3b libmad plugin. It sounds like k3b creates
+a wrapper around the dynamic loading of libmad. Also you can try
+stracing the binary via e.g. strace -e open k3b --nofork to see what
+file open calls are tried, doing something more specific like;
+
+strace -e open k3b --nofork 2&gt;&amp;1 | grep mad
+
+might lead to some clues as to what needs fixed.
+
+Col
+
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 17/07/12 18:22 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 17/07/12 14:52 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 16/07/12 00:54 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 07/16/2012 01:34 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On my system I see the following:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> gcc]$ rpm -ql libgcc1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s-4.7.1.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see this results in a conflict between these two files:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> They ultimately (via some strange symlinks) point at the same file
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can be dropped, but I cannot, for the life of me see where the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> symlink:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is created in the spec. I can see a file of that name being
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> specifically
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> moved out the way but I cannot see how it is then recreated with that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> name again!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can anyone see in the gcc spec where this file is created?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ldconfig ? I tried renaming mine, and ldconfig recreated it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm completely blind. I can see it clearly in the spec. I was just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reading my ln commands badly or missing a %_prefix or something... hey
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ho', I know the fix now at least!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> False alarm. I looked at the wrong file *again*. So still can't see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where in the spec this is generated :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/spec-helper/lib_symlinks
+</I>
+Ahhh you are a true gent! Thank you!
+
+I guess then I need to specifically %exclude it then seeing as I cannot
+fix this in the %install section seeing as the helper is run afterwards
+*sigh*.
+
+Col
+
+
+
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+pull in libreoffice. That's loads of MBs.
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+FYI: GNOME documents is NOT a dependency of task-gnome-minimal.
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+Should I add the dependency or not?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Damien Lallement at 17/07/12 15:10 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi boys and girls.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think about dropping hal for Mageia 3?
+</I>&gt;<i> I was planning to ask it for Mageia 2 but it was too late.
+</I>&gt;<i> I made some cleaning in May but it still remains:
+</I>
++1x10^&#8734;
+
+:<i>)
+</I>
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le 18/07/2012 11:52, Jerome Quelin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> hi guilaume,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> do you plan to rebuild apache-mod_perl &amp; apache-mod_apreq?
+</I>If nobody else do it first, yes.
+
+BTW, they are some new useful rpm macros available in
+/etc/rpm/macros.d/httpd.macros, shipped by apache-devel package:
+%_httpd_apxs %{_bindir}/apxs
+%_httpd_confdir /etc/httpd/conf
+%_httpd_modconfdir /etc/httpd/conf/modules.d
+%_httpd_siteconfdir /etc/httpd/conf/sites.d
+%_httpd_extconfdir /etc/httpd/conf/conf.d
+%_httpd_contentdir /usr/share/httpd
+%_httpd_moddir %{_libdir}/httpd/modules
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+--
+BOFH excuse #52:
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+Smell from unhygienic janitorial staff wrecked the tape heads
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+<PRE>2012/7/18 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 18/07/12 10:20 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Simple w at 17/07/12 21:56 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/7/17 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 08:22:00 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Everytime i start k3b i get this message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update tool.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PEdro
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there is already a tainted section in k3b in fact.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which k3b have you installed ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qa|grep k3b
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64k3bdevice6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64k3blib6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> k3b-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ]$ rpm -qa|grep lame
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64lame-devel-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lame-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64lame0-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64twolame0-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-twolame-0.10.19-2.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gstreamer0.10-lame-0.10.19-2.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64twolame-devel-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> twolame-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as you see im using the tainted releases
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And what about libmad as the instructions suggested? Is it installed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You will likely need: lib64mad0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gah I see you said you have that already :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Check to see if there is a k3b libmad plugin. It sounds like k3b creates
+</I>&gt;<i> a wrapper around the dynamic loading of libmad. Also you can try
+</I>&gt;<i> stracing the binary via e.g. strace -e open k3b --nofork to see what
+</I>&gt;<i> file open calls are tried, doing something more specific like;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> strace -e open k3b --nofork 2&gt;&amp;1 | grep mad
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> might lead to some clues as to what needs fixed.
+</I>
+I dont understand, since i have reboot i didnt had this problem again.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 18 juillet 2012 10:42:35 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 18/07/12 10:20 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'Twas brillig, and Simple w at 17/07/12 21:56 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2012/7/17 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 08:22:00 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Le mardi 17 juillet 2012 05:22:05 Simple w a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Everytime i start k3b i get this message:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; K3b could not load or find the MP3 decoder plugin. This means that you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; will not be able to create Audio CDs from MP3 files. Many Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; distributions do not include MP3 support for legal reasons.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Solution: To enable MP3 support, please install the MAD MP3 decoding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; library as well as the K3b MAD MP3 decoder plugin (the latter may
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Some distributions allow installation of MP3 support via an online
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; update tool.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; but i have checked and i have lib64mad0 installed, what am i missing?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; PEdro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Maybe it needs a k3b tainted version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I will look on zoneminder spec file to see how to add tainted BR.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; there is already a tainted section in k3b in fact.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; which k3b have you installed ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ]$ rpm -qa|grep k3b
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64k3bdevice6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64k3blib6-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; k3b-2.0.2-7.mga3.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ]$ rpm -qa|grep lame
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64lame-devel-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lame-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64lame0-3.99.5-1.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64twolame0-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; gstreamer0.10-twolame-0.10.19-2.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; gstreamer0.10-lame-0.10.19-2.mga2.tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; lib64twolame-devel-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; twolame-0.3.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; as you see im using the tainted releases
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And what about libmad as the instructions suggested? Is it installed?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You will likely need: lib64mad0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gah I see you said you have that already :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Check to see if there is a k3b libmad plugin. It sounds like k3b creates
+</I>&gt;<i> a wrapper around the dynamic loading of libmad. Also you can try
+</I>&gt;<i> stracing the binary via e.g. strace -e open k3b --nofork to see what
+</I>&gt;<i> file open calls are tried, doing something more specific like;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> strace -e open k3b --nofork 2&gt;&amp;1 | grep mad
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> might lead to some clues as to what needs fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+should be installed as it is linked against :
+
+$ rpm -q --requires k3b | grep libmad
+libmad.so.0
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+As sys admin I use puppet to push config to servers.
+
+It is very simple, puppet detect a file is not the same than the
+reference, copy the file, restart the daemon or trigger a command if
+need.
+
+Here come urpmi, can you push by force the urpmi.cfg and make it work
+using some --force and --do-it-even-it-is-really-not-clean but each time
+an urpmi command is called the config file written again.
+
+Then the file is changed, making puppet updating the urpmi.cfg again and
+again.
+
+To avoid this problem I wrote the attached script: it take as argument
+the path to an urpmi.cfg and synchronize the config found with the real
+urpmi.cfg.
+- removed media are removed properly
+- the media.cfg used as template is unchanged
+- urpmi.update is called to update the index
+- urpmi base is locked to avoid race condition
+
+In cases this can be usefull.
+
+Ideas and patches welcome.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
+&#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+-------------- next part --------------
+#!/usr/bin/perl
+
+use strict;
+use warnings;
+use urpm;
+use urpm::cfg;
+use urpm::media;
+use urpm::args;
+use urpm::download;
+use Getopt::Long;
+use Pod::Usage;
+
+GetOptions(
+ help =&gt; sub { pod2usage() },
+);# or pod2sage(1);
+
+my ($config) = @ARGV;
+
+my $template = urpm::cfg::load_config($config);
+
+{
+my $urpm = urpm-&gt;new_parse_cmdline or exit(1);
+
+my $_urpmi_lock = urpm::lock::urpmi_db(
+ $urpm,
+ 'exclusive',
+ wait =&gt; 1,
+);
+
+urpm::media::read_config($urpm);
+
+my %media_to_update = ();
+
+foreach my $medium (@{ $urpm-&gt;{media} || [] }) {
+ my ($tlpmedia) = (grep { $_-&gt;{name} eq $medium-&gt;{name} }
+ @{ $template-&gt;{media} || [] });
+ if (! $tlpmedia) {
+ my @selected = urpm::media::select_media_by_name($urpm, [ $medium-&gt;{name} ],
+ !$urpm-&gt;{options}{fuzzy});
+ urpm::media::remove_media($urpm, \@selected);
+ } else {
+ %{ $medium } = ();
+ %{ $medium } = %{ $tlpmedia };
+ }
+}
+foreach my $medium (@{ $template-&gt;{media} || [] }) {
+ if (!grep { $_-&gt;{name} eq $medium-&gt;{name} }
+ (@{ $urpm-&gt;{media} || [] })) {
+ push(@{ $urpm-&gt;{media} }, $medium);
+ }
+}
+
+$urpm-&gt;{modified} = 1;
+urpm::media::write_config($urpm);
+
+}
+system('/usr/sbin/urpmi.update', '-a', '-q');
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+
+A short meeting tonight, here are the topics
+
+- Finalize Mageia 3 features
+- Avoid orphan commits in svn
+
+As usual feel free to propose more topics.
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
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+<PRE>I want to install Mageia on a clients IBM x3500 M4 server which uses the
+LSI Logic Megaraid SAS controller.
+
+I am advised that there is no disc space available for the install.
+
+SuSE 12, Fedora 17 and RedHat 6 all can see and install, so I know that
+the HW is properly configured and functional
+
+As near as I can figure, the initrd of the install doesn't have a
+current megaraid-sas.ko.xz module.
+
+Is this something the we might be interested in providing? or do I have
+to learn how to create my own initrd and re-burn the distrib with it?
+
+Thanks
+
+
+
+Richard
+
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+<PRE>On 18/07/12 13:35, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A short meeting tonight, here are the topics
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Finalize Mageia 3 features
+</I>&gt;<i> - Avoid orphan commits in svn
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As usual feel free to propose more topics.
+</I>
+Two suggestions:
+
+- An update on apprentices status and how to recruit more packagers (if andre is
+around
+
+- Involvement of packagers in supporting/fixing bugs on stable releases
+
+These are not urgent topics, but they have potentially a great impact.
+
+Thanks,
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Guillaume Rousse
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 18:20, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 16/07/2012 18:17, colin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : crystalhd Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Broadcom Crystal HD decoder driver and library
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Driver and support library for Broadcom Crystal HD hardware video
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> decoder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To use the device, you need to copy the appropriate firmware file to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the /lib/firmware directory:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - BCM70012 devices: bcm70012fw.bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - BCM70015 devices: bcm70015fw.bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think, it will be better not to have &quot;how to use&quot; in %description but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a README.urpmi file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I even wonder why the package can't manage this directly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes they should be in a crystalhd-firmware in nonfree, they are
+</I>&gt;<i> redistributable from what I read on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.broadcom.com/support/crystal_hd/">http://www.broadcom.com/support/crystal_hd/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes. They weren't originally distributable.
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+I have tried hard to understand but am unable to figure out how to resolve unused libraries warnings. I have read the wiki on overlinking and the how-to-fix article, and I don't understand any of it. At least I don't understand the wiki's instructions on how to fix.
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+&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am attempting to package roadmap, a gps tracker, and it builds. but i get a long list of unused libraries warnings.
+</I>&gt;<i> I have tried hard to understand but am unable to figure out how to resolve unused libraries warnings. I have read the wiki on overlinking and the how-to-fix article, and I don't understand any of it. At least I don't understand the wiki's instructions on how to fix.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can anyone explain what, if anything, I'm supposed to do?
+</I>Just reduce the number of -lfoobar arguments given to the linker to the
+minimal subset needed. Which usually means messing with the software
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+&gt;<i> Ideas and patches welcome.
+</I>You shouldn't overwrite any file managed locally, but interact with it
+using expected interface. For urpmi, it just requires to check if the
+media you are interested in is already present, and otherwise call
+urpmi.addmedia for adding it. I don't have any puppet-ready solution for
+it, but I don't think that's really difficult to reproduce.
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+&gt;<i> Le 18/07/2012 14:29, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ideas and patches welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> You shouldn't overwrite any file managed locally, but interact with it
+</I>&gt;<i> using expected interface. For urpmi, it just requires to check if the
+</I>&gt;<i> media you are interested in is already present, and otherwise call
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia for adding it. I don't have any puppet-ready solution for
+</I>&gt;<i> it, but I don't think that's really difficult to reproduce.
+</I>
+A real solution would be urpmi make a real difference between
+configuration and state data.
+At time it write things in both /etc/urpmi and /var/lib/urpmi, even
+there is no change real change in urpmi.cfg.
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+Such plugin for puppet must be written in ruby, I haven't plan to learn
+ruby right now.
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+I will also argue the media name is not enough to ensure the urpmi
+config use the right distro on the server I want.
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+Regards.
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+&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18/07/2012 14:29, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ideas and patches welcome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You shouldn't overwrite any file managed locally, but interact with it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using expected interface. For urpmi, it just requires to check if the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> media you are interested in is already present, and otherwise call
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia for adding it. I don't have any puppet-ready solution for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it, but I don't think that's really difficult to reproduce.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A real solution would be urpmi make a real difference between
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration and state data.
+</I>&gt;<i> At time it write things in both /etc/urpmi and /var/lib/urpmi, even
+</I>&gt;<i> there is no change real change in urpmi.cfg.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Such plugin for puppet must be written in ruby, I haven't plan to learn
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby right now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will also argue the media name is not enough to ensure the urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> config use the right distro on the server I want.
+</I>
+Would making urpmi support a /etc/urpmi/urpmi.conf.d/ folder also help here?
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Il 18/07/2012 14:35, Anne Nicolas ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A short meeting tonight, here are the topics
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Finalize Mageia 3 features - Avoid orphan commits in svn
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As usual feel free to propose more topics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry i can't attend the meeting tonight.
+
+About the feature i'm involving in, we've started worked
+(well tuxta actually) on it, i'm porting libyui.
+Maybe if needed we can talk about it next meeting or by
+mail.
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+Cheers,
+ Angelo
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+<PRE>Le 18/07/2012 17:39, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18/07/2012 14:29, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ideas and patches welcome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You shouldn't overwrite any file managed locally, but interact with it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using expected interface. For urpmi, it just requires to check if the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> media you are interested in is already present, and otherwise call
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia for adding it. I don't have any puppet-ready solution for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it, but I don't think that's really difficult to reproduce.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A real solution would be urpmi make a real difference between
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration and state data.
+</I>&gt;<i> At time it write things in both /etc/urpmi and /var/lib/urpmi, even
+</I>&gt;<i> there is no change real change in urpmi.cfg.
+</I>Right, but that's outside the scope of your problem. And urpmi.cfg is
+the only example of such a scenario. Just imagine managing /etc/passwd,
+for instance.
+
+&gt;<i> Such plugin for puppet must be written in ruby, I haven't plan to learn
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby right now.
+</I>You don't need any plugin to run a grep command, and take a decision
+based on its output status. And if there is some code to write, that
+would rather be an augeas lense to avoid the need of using grep (I've no
+clue about the difficulty, tough).
+
+&gt;<i> I will also argue the media name is not enough to ensure the urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> config use the right distro on the server I want.
+</I>Indeed. You need to grep for more than the media name, then.
+
+--
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+<PRE>* Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 18/07/2012 17:39, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Guillaume Rousse (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18/07/2012 14:29, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A real solution would be urpmi make a real difference between
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration and state data.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At time it write things in both /etc/urpmi and /var/lib/urpmi, even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there is no change real change in urpmi.cfg.
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, but that's outside the scope of your problem. And urpmi.cfg is
+</I>&gt;<i> the only example of such a scenario. Just imagine managing /etc/passwd,
+</I>&gt;<i> for instance.
+</I>
+Indeep for /etc/passwd, but in fact, on RedHat system this is not a
+problem since all system users have fixed uidNumber.
+
+The main difference is all ditributions have an /etc/passwd so puppet
+have a standard plugin for it, only Mageia (and others Mandriva base)
+have an urpmi.cfg.
+
+Yum for instance does not have this issue.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Such plugin for puppet must be written in ruby, I haven't plan to learn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ruby right now.
+</I>&gt;<i> You don't need any plugin to run a grep command, and take a decision
+</I>&gt;<i> based on its output status. And if there is some code to write, that
+</I>&gt;<i> would rather be an augeas lense to avoid the need of using grep (I've no
+</I>&gt;<i> clue about the difficulty, tough).
+</I>
+Puppet have a Yum plugin for instance.
+
+I don't have augeas on all servers we have (I have to support Mdv MES 5 to
+Mageia cauldron...).
+
+And finally what you suggest is more or less what I did. Except I did it
+for my own need, it has no options (yet).
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+It has worked very well in local tests, so it's time for all to try
+(so far mplayer is the only known program with needs fixing)
+
+
+Planned submission progess is:
+- glibc
+- locales
+- gcc
+- binutils
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+- libdrm
+- mesa
+- x11-server
+
+and then we take it from there...
+
+So you should hold of updating your systems until atleast
+both glibc-2.16 and locales-2.16 are available, or urpmi/rpmdrake
+will suggest to remove a lot of installed rpms for you
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+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 18 juli 2012 07:21:52 schreef Richard Couture:
+&gt;<i> I want to install Mageia on a clients IBM x3500 M4 server which uses the
+</I>&gt;<i> LSI Logic Megaraid SAS controller.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am advised that there is no disc space available for the install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SuSE 12, Fedora 17 and RedHat 6 all can see and install, so I know that
+</I>&gt;<i> the HW is properly configured and functional
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As near as I can figure, the initrd of the install doesn't have a
+</I>&gt;<i> current megaraid-sas.ko.xz module.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this something the we might be interested in providing? or do I have
+</I>&gt;<i> to learn how to create my own initrd and re-burn the distrib with it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>
+iinm there's still an option to load extra modules for floppy (it maybe work on
+a usb stick?)
+
+but yeah, i took think this could be fixed... and be added to the generic
+initrd from dracut.
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+&gt;<i> but yeah, i took think this could be fixed... and be added to the generic
+</I>&gt;<i> initrd from dracut.
+</I>
+Yes, this a is side regression of dracut, as I remember installing
+Mageia 1 on a LSI MegaRAID system.
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+ <B>Richard Couture</B>
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+<PRE>Could you give me some clue as to how to do it? I am somewhat clueless
+at the moment and have absolutely no knowledge of drakcut.
+
+
+Thanks
+
+
+
+On 07/18/2012 05:01 PM, zezinho wrote:
+&gt;<i> Em 18-07-2012 22:30, AL13N escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but yeah, i took think this could be fixed... and be added to the generic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initrd from dracut.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, this a is side regression of dracut, as I remember installing
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 1 on a LSI MegaRAID system.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So this a heads up for Glibc 2.16 landing on cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It has worked very well in local tests, so it's time for all to try
+</I>&gt;<i> (so far mplayer is the only known program with needs fixing)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Planned submission progess is:
+</I>&gt;<i> - glibc
+</I>&gt;<i> - locales
+</I>&gt;<i> - gcc
+</I>&gt;<i> - binutils
+</I>&gt;<i> - kernel + dkms modules
+</I>&gt;<i> - libd
+</I>&gt;<i> - mesa
+</I>&gt;<i> - x11-server
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and then we take it from there...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So you should hold of updating your systems until atleast
+</I>&gt;<i> both glibc-2.16 and locales-2.16 are available, or urpmi/rpmdrake
+</I>&gt;<i> will suggest to remove a lot of installed rpms for you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So... it should now be safe to update....
+
+kernel &amp; prebuilt modules will be on primary mirrors i ~1h
+
+
+As for starting full rebuild of cauldron, we are delaying it with
+~1+ week as requested by Colin so hecan finalize the UsrMove feature:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove</A>
+
+After that feature is completed we will look start the full distro
+rebuild.
+
+
+have fun...
+
+--
+
+Thomas
+
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+ <B>blind Pete</B>
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+<PRE>This is not supposed to be a troll, although I expect that some will
+interpret it as such. There are two parts; the first is how does this
+work, followed by some philosophical stuff. AFTER I get answers to the
+first part I want to make up my mind about the second part. Then you
+can flame.
+
+It appears that I don't know how things work.
+
+I prefer open source for a few reasons, but when it comes to
+motherboard BIOSes there is no real choice, so I just hope
+that the manufacturers are competent and trustworthy. What is
+the story with CPUs and video cards?
+
+My attitude to non-free firmware is in flux. At the moment
+I am annoyed by it, but accept it as a fact of life and just
+install it.
+
+In the olden days CPUs and graphics cards were hard wired. If they
+didn't work you had to throw them out, change the masks and
+manufacture new ones. Remember the Pentium division error?
+Modern devices are far too complex for that to work. They
+have code that is variously known as; firmware, CPU microcode,
+or a video BIOS.
+
+Now the bits that I don't know about...
+
+Does a modern CPU run *at all* without microcode? I assume that
+when you buy a CPU it has microcode in ROM on the chip.
+Then at powerup it copies the code from ROM to working memory
+where it is run until either powerdown or it is over written with
+a newer version of the same thing. Is that right?
+
+As I understand it, microcode is usually used to emulate CISC
+instructions on RISC hardware. Can a consumer tell the difference?
+Would the manufacturers tell us, even if we asked nicely?
+If we do know which instructions are run on hardware and which
+are run in microcode, does is change from one chip to the next?
+Can gcc be configured to only produce the subset of instructions
+that run on the hardware? There are a couple of references in
+man gcc, but they seem to refer to the PowerPC, not x86.
+
+Same problem with video cards. According to Wikipedia, since
+EGA hit the market in 1984, all video cards have their own BIOS.
+
+Is *possible* to run anything better than CGA without using
+closed source code? If you physically removed the chip
+containing the video BIOS from a video card would you even be
+able to look at the motherboard's BIOS?
+
+Is there any practical, or moral, difference between;
+downloading and installing the latest firmware on boot,
+downloading and flashing the video BIOS,
+flashing the video BIOS from a floppy that came with the video card,
+waiting until cards with a good BIOS get distributed before buying.
+
+Should a truly free distribution say; &quot;detected a VGA video
+card and/or a Pentium II, refusing to install&quot;?
+
+Is there any choice? An open source BIOS an arm chip and a
+text only display?
+
+--
+blind Pete
+Sig goes here...
+
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+<A HREF="http://www.lemote.com/en/products/Notebook/2010/0310/112.html">http://www.lemote.com/en/products/Notebook/2010/0310/112.html</A>
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+This is the kind of computer Richard Stallman uses, as mentioned on
+<A HREF="http://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/">http://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/</A>
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+On 07/18/2012 07:35 PM, blind Pete wrote:
+&gt;<i> This is not supposed to be a troll, although I expect that some will
+</I>&gt;<i> interpret it as such. There are two parts; the first is how does this
+</I>&gt;<i> work, followed by some philosophical stuff. AFTER I get answers to the
+</I>&gt;<i> first part I want to make up my mind about the second part. Then you
+</I>&gt;<i> can flame.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It appears that I don't know how things work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I prefer open source for a few reasons, but when it comes to
+</I>&gt;<i> motherboard BIOSes there is no real choice, so I just hope
+</I>&gt;<i> that the manufacturers are competent and trustworthy. What is
+</I>&gt;<i> the story with CPUs and video cards?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My attitude to non-free firmware is in flux. At the moment
+</I>&gt;<i> I am annoyed by it, but accept it as a fact of life and just
+</I>&gt;<i> install it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the olden days CPUs and graphics cards were hard wired. If they
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't work you had to throw them out, change the masks and
+</I>&gt;<i> manufacture new ones. Remember the Pentium division error?
+</I>&gt;<i> Modern devices are far too complex for that to work. They
+</I>&gt;<i> have code that is variously known as; firmware, CPU microcode,
+</I>&gt;<i> or a video BIOS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now the bits that I don't know about...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does a modern CPU run *at all* without microcode? I assume that
+</I>&gt;<i> when you buy a CPU it has microcode in ROM on the chip.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then at powerup it copies the code from ROM to working memory
+</I>&gt;<i> where it is run until either powerdown or it is over written with
+</I>&gt;<i> a newer version of the same thing. Is that right?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I understand it, microcode is usually used to emulate CISC
+</I>&gt;<i> instructions on RISC hardware. Can a consumer tell the difference?
+</I>&gt;<i> Would the manufacturers tell us, even if we asked nicely?
+</I>&gt;<i> If we do know which instructions are run on hardware and which
+</I>&gt;<i> are run in microcode, does is change from one chip to the next?
+</I>&gt;<i> Can gcc be configured to only produce the subset of instructions
+</I>&gt;<i> that run on the hardware? There are a couple of references in
+</I>&gt;<i> man gcc, but they seem to refer to the PowerPC, not x86.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same problem with video cards. According to Wikipedia, since
+</I>&gt;<i> EGA hit the market in 1984, all video cards have their own BIOS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is *possible* to run anything better than CGA without using
+</I>&gt;<i> closed source code? If you physically removed the chip
+</I>&gt;<i> containing the video BIOS from a video card would you even be
+</I>&gt;<i> able to look at the motherboard's BIOS?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any practical, or moral, difference between;
+</I>&gt;<i> downloading and installing the latest firmware on boot,
+</I>&gt;<i> downloading and flashing the video BIOS,
+</I>&gt;<i> flashing the video BIOS from a floppy that came with the video card,
+</I>&gt;<i> waiting until cards with a good BIOS get distributed before buying.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should a truly free distribution say; &quot;detected a VGA video
+</I>&gt;<i> card and/or a Pentium II, refusing to install&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any choice? An open source BIOS an arm chip and a
+</I>&gt;<i> text only display?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+urpmi --install-src ./util*
+gives a lot of errors about iurt not existing and using root
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+&gt;<i> util-linux-ng-2.18-4.1.mga1.src.rpm is safely downloded to my local
+</I>&gt;<i> drive. Now what do I do with it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi --install-src ./util*
+</I>&gt;<i> gives a lot of errors about iurt not existing and using root
+</I>&gt;<i> instead, but does not seem to install anything into /usr/src/RPM/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is probably obvious to everyone here - except me.
+</I>What is not obvious, tough, as what you are trying to achieve exactly...
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+&gt;<i> This is not supposed to be a troll, although I expect that some will
+</I>&gt;<i> interpret it as such. There are two parts; the first is how does this
+</I>&gt;<i> work, followed by some philosophical stuff. AFTER I get answers to the
+</I>&gt;<i> first part I want to make up my mind about the second part. Then you
+</I>&gt;<i> can flame.
+</I>Maybe not a troll, but definitely off-topic for this list.
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+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.13.4-4.mga3:
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+</I>&gt;<i> If packagers can check their packages to remove hal deps, I will add it
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+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
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+As part of the usrmove, I need to rebuild both db51 and grub. Neither of
+them build just now.
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+I added one patch to db51 which gets over an initial error, but another
+relating to asm shows up.
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+Please can someone have a look at these? I just need them to build, I
+don't specifically need them submitted, but feel free to do so.
+
+The sooner the better if possible :)
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+Cheers
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+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
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+Considering upstream calls for ruby updates [1], we should migrate to
+ruby 1.9 now, for mageia 3. Else, we won't receive any security
+updates at the date when mga3 be released.
+
+WDYT?
+
+[1]: <A HREF="http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7/">http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2011/10/06/plans-for-1-8-7/</A>
+
+In short, for ruby 1.8.7 we currently have:
+* normal updates till June 2012 (already passed)
+* security updates till June 2013 (3 months after mga3 release)
+* no any updates since June 2013 (15 months for mga3 lifetime, 6
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Considering upstream calls for ruby updates [1], we should migrate to
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby 1.9 now, for mageia 3. Else, we won't receive any security
+</I>&gt;<i> updates at the date when mga3 be released.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+Yes we should (I wanted to do it for mga2 but did not finish and I
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+&gt;<i> The Gillius family from the Arkandis Digital Foundry is a set of sans-serif
+</I>&gt;<i> typefaces intended as an alternative to Gill Sans. Its two widths, regular and
+</I>&gt;<i> condensed, both feature a roman and an italic, and each includes a regular and
+</I>&gt;<i> bold weight.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the base variant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %_font_pkg -f 69-adf-gillius.conf GilliusADF-*.otf
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+Please fix description
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+On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:09:10 +0100
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As part of the usrmove, I need to rebuild both db51 and grub. Neither of
+</I>&gt;<i> them build just now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I added one patch to db51 which gets over an initial error, but another
+</I>&gt;<i> relating to asm shows up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please can someone have a look at these? I just need them to build, I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't specifically need them submitted, but feel free to do so.
+</I>
+Just a note on my finding: unpacking the db-5.1.29 sources and doing
+
+cd build_unix
+../dist/configure
+make
+
+Is successful here. So it could be a patch or a configure option that causes it
+to fail. I'll investigate further.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The sooner the better if possible :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:33:52 +0300
+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:09:10 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As part of the usrmove, I need to rebuild both db51 and grub. Neither of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them build just now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I added one patch to db51 which gets over an initial error, but another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relating to asm shows up.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please can someone have a look at these? I just need them to build, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't specifically need them submitted, but feel free to do so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a note on my finding: unpacking the db-5.1.29 sources and doing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cd build_unix
+</I>&gt;<i> ../dist/configure
+</I>&gt;<i> make
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is successful here. So it could be a patch or a configure option that causes it
+</I>&gt;<i> to fail. I'll investigate further.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The same process is now succesful in a &quot;bm -l -p&quot; unpacking:
+
+shlomif[rpms]:$mageia/db51/BUILD/db-5.1.29/build_unix$ make
+make: Nothing to be done for `all'.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:33:52 +0300
+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:09:10 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As part of the usrmove, I need to rebuild both db51 and grub. Neither of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them build just now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I added one patch to db51 which gets over an initial error, but another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relating to asm shows up.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please can someone have a look at these? I just need them to build, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't specifically need them submitted, but feel free to do so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a note on my finding: unpacking the db-5.1.29 sources and doing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cd build_unix
+</I>&gt;<i> ../dist/configure
+</I>&gt;<i> make
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is successful here. So it could be a patch or a configure option that causes it
+</I>&gt;<i> to fail. I'll investigate further.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The plot thickens. Apparently in the bm -l -p source, this command (which as
+far as I can tell is what rpmbuild is running) is successful:
+
+../dist/configure --build=x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --x-includes=/usr/include --x-libraries=/usr/lib64 --includedir=/usr/include/db51 --enable-shared --enable-static --enable-dbm --enable-systemtap --enable-o_direct --enable-sql --enable-compat185 --enable-dump185 --enable-tcl --with-tcl=/usr/lib64 --enable-test --enable-cxx --enable-java --enable-posixmutexes --with-mutex=POSIX/pthreads/library
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+(Followed by make).
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The sooner the better if possible :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Guillaume Rousse wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 19/07/2012 04:35, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is not supposed to be a troll, although I expect that some will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interpret it as such. There are two parts; the first is how does this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work, followed by some philosophical stuff. AFTER I get answers to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first part I want to make up my mind about the second part. Then you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can flame.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe not a troll, but definitely off-topic for this list.
+</I>
+Which is the correct list for discussing what goes into Mageia 3
+distribution isos?
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+There is an ongoing libre / gratis / tainted debate.
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+<PRE>Steve Havelka wrote:
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+&gt;<i> There is at least one fully free-software computer:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.lemote.com/en/products/Notebook/2010/0310/112.html">http://www.lemote.com/en/products/Notebook/2010/0310/112.html</A>
+</I>
+I am surprised and pleased that such a thing exists, but it
+does not look like a replacement for my desktop computer.
+
+MIPS cpus still exist. You learn something every day.
+
+&gt;<i> This is the kind of computer Richard Stallman uses, as mentioned on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/">http://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/</A>
+</I>
+If anyone was going have such a computer it would be RMS.
+
+&gt;<i> On 07/18/2012 07:35 PM, blind Pete wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is not supposed to be a troll, although I expect that some will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interpret it as such. There are two parts; the first is how does this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work, followed by some philosophical stuff. AFTER I get answers to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first part I want to make up my mind about the second part. Then you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can flame.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It appears that I don't know how things work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I prefer open source for a few reasons, but when it comes to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> motherboard BIOSes there is no real choice, so I just hope
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that the manufacturers are competent and trustworthy. What is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the story with CPUs and video cards?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My attitude to non-free firmware is in flux. At the moment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am annoyed by it, but accept it as a fact of life and just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the olden days CPUs and graphics cards were hard wired. If they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> didn't work you had to throw them out, change the masks and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manufacture new ones. Remember the Pentium division error?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modern devices are far too complex for that to work. They
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have code that is variously known as; firmware, CPU microcode,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or a video BIOS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now the bits that I don't know about...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does a modern CPU run *at all* without microcode? I assume that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when you buy a CPU it has microcode in ROM on the chip.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then at powerup it copies the code from ROM to working memory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where it is run until either powerdown or it is over written with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a newer version of the same thing. Is that right?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I understand it, microcode is usually used to emulate CISC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instructions on RISC hardware. Can a consumer tell the difference?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would the manufacturers tell us, even if we asked nicely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we do know which instructions are run on hardware and which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are run in microcode, does is change from one chip to the next?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can gcc be configured to only produce the subset of instructions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that run on the hardware? There are a couple of references in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> man gcc, but they seem to refer to the PowerPC, not x86.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Same problem with video cards. According to Wikipedia, since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> EGA hit the market in 1984, all video cards have their own BIOS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is *possible* to run anything better than CGA without using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> closed source code? If you physically removed the chip
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> containing the video BIOS from a video card would you even be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> able to look at the motherboard's BIOS?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any practical, or moral, difference between;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> downloading and installing the latest firmware on boot,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> downloading and flashing the video BIOS,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> flashing the video BIOS from a floppy that came with the video card,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> waiting until cards with a good BIOS get distributed before buying.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should a truly free distribution say; &quot;detected a VGA video
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> card and/or a Pentium II, refusing to install&quot;?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:53:43 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:33:52 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:09:10 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; As part of the usrmove, I need to rebuild both db51 and grub. Neither of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; them build just now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I added one patch to db51 which gets over an initial error, but another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; relating to asm shows up.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Please can someone have a look at these? I just need them to build, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; don't specifically need them submitted, but feel free to do so.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Just a note on my finding: unpacking the db-5.1.29 sources and doing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; cd build_unix
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ../dist/configure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Is successful here. So it could be a patch or a configure option that causes it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to fail. I'll investigate further.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The plot thickens. Apparently in the bm -l -p source, this command (which as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; far as I can tell is what rpmbuild is running) is successful:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ../dist/configure --build=x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --x-includes=/usr/include --x-libraries=/usr/lib64 --includedir=/usr/include/db51 --enable-shared --enable-static --enable-dbm --enable-systemtap --enable-o_direct --enable-sql --enable-compat185 --enable-dump185 --enable-tcl --with-tcl=/usr/lib64 --enable-test --enable-cxx --enable-java --enable-posixmutexes --with-mutex=POSIX/pthreads/library
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (Followed by make).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, if I first do:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> export CFLAGS='-O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fno-tree-ccp -fno-tree-dominator-opts -fno-tree-pre -fno-tree-pta'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then I am able to reproduce this bug outside rpm. So I am going to gradually
+</I>&gt;<i> eliminate compile flags until I find the culprit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Now it seems everything builds fine if I only remove the
+&quot;-fno-tree-dominator-opts&quot; flag. However, I see in the SPEC this:
+
+[Q]
+# -fno-tree-ccp -fno-tree-dominator-opts to avoid breakage in src/bt_dup.c
+# -fno-tree-pre -fno-tree-pta to avoid breakage in src/hash_page.c
+CFLAGS=&quot;$RPM_OPT_FLAGS -fno-tree-ccp -fno-tree-dominator-opts -fno-tree-pre -fno-tree-pta&quot;
+%ifarch ppc
+CFLAGS=&quot;$CFLAGS -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT&quot;
+%endif
+export CFLAGS
+[/Q]
+
+So can I safely remove that flag? /me is scared of the consequences.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:33:52 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:09:10 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; As part of the usrmove, I need to rebuild both db51 and grub. Neither of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; them build just now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I added one patch to db51 which gets over an initial error, but another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; relating to asm shows up.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Please can someone have a look at these? I just need them to build, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; don't specifically need them submitted, but feel free to do so.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just a note on my finding: unpacking the db-5.1.29 sources and doing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cd build_unix
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ../dist/configure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is successful here. So it could be a patch or a configure option that causes it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to fail. I'll investigate further.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The plot thickens. Apparently in the bm -l -p source, this command (which as
+</I>&gt;<i> far as I can tell is what rpmbuild is running) is successful:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ../dist/configure --build=x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --x-includes=/usr/include --x-libraries=/usr/lib64 --includedir=/usr/include/db51 --enable-shared --enable-static --enable-dbm --enable-systemtap --enable-o_direct --enable-sql --enable-compat185 --enable-dump185 --enable-tcl --with-tcl=/usr/lib64 --enable-test --enable-cxx --enable-java --enable-posixmutexes --with-mutex=POSIX/pthreads/library
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Followed by make).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK, if I first do:
+
+export CFLAGS='-O2 -g -pipe -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -fno-tree-ccp -fno-tree-dominator-opts -fno-tree-pre -fno-tree-pta'
+
+Then I am able to reproduce this bug outside rpm. So I am going to gradually
+eliminate compile flags until I find the culprit.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The sooner the better if possible :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Cheers
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+&gt;<i> Now it seems everything builds fine if I only remove the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;-fno-tree-dominator-opts&quot; flag. However, I see in the SPEC this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [Q]
+</I>&gt;<i> # -fno-tree-ccp -fno-tree-dominator-opts to avoid breakage in src/bt_dup.c
+</I>&gt;<i> # -fno-tree-pre -fno-tree-pta to avoid breakage in src/hash_page.c
+</I>&gt;<i> CFLAGS=&quot;$RPM_OPT_FLAGS -fno-tree-ccp -fno-tree-dominator-opts -fno-tree-pre -fno-tree-pta&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> %ifarch ppc
+</I>&gt;<i> CFLAGS=&quot;$CFLAGS -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> %endif
+</I>&gt;<i> export CFLAGS
+</I>&gt;<i> [/Q]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So can I safely remove that flag? /me is scared of the consequences.
+</I>
+The change was imported from mdv's db51-5.1.25-1, removed there probably
+in 5.1.25-5 . So yes, remove those 3 lines, plus the next 3 for ppc, and
+then the &quot;export CFLAGS&quot; can also be dropped I guess.
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+&gt;<i> My attitude to non-free firmware is in flux. &#160;At the moment
+</I>&gt;<i> I am annoyed by it, but accept it as a fact of life and just
+</I>&gt;<i> install it. &#160;
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+I am more that just anoyed. I flat out refuse to install proprietary drivers, as I don't trust them. The reason is that we can't independently verify that they haven't included a backdoor with the driver, to spy on us or the like. Now, I don't believe that they do, but we can't verify it. Also we can't change it to suit our needs.
+The sacrifice is performance and functionality.
+
+All graphics cards work without closed drivers. I have yet to see one that doesn't work. The sacrifice here is usually 3D performance and sharing the screen with another monitor for cards that have two outputs. I can live with that.
+
+Wireless are more of a hasle. Many simply doesn't work without closed drivers.
+That is not a problem for me, as I prefer and use wired connections anyway.
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday 19 July 2012 04:35, blind Pete wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My attitude to non-free firmware is in flux. &#160;At the moment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am annoyed by it, but accept it as a fact of life and just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install it. &#160;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am more that just anoyed. I flat out refuse to install proprietary
+</I>&gt;<i> drivers, as I don't trust them. The reason is that we can't
+</I>&gt;<i> independently verify that they haven't included a backdoor with the
+</I>&gt;<i> driver, to spy on us or the like. Now, I don't believe that they do, but
+</I>&gt;<i> we can't verify it. Also we can't change it to suit our needs. The
+</I>&gt;<i> sacrifice is performance and functionality.
+</I>
+Why are you talking about *drivers* when the remark you quote is about
+*firmware* ? Some open source drivers don't work (well) without them
+loading non-free firmware into the device.
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+&gt;<i> Why are you talking about *drivers* when the remark you quote is about
+</I>&gt;<i> *firmware* ? Some open source drivers don't work (well) without them
+</I>&gt;<i> loading non-free firmware into the device.
+</I>
+Because it is the same issiue. I treat firmwares the same as I treat any other software. if a device can't work without installing a package contaning non-free firmware, I'm not using it.
+In order to use it I might need to install a non-free software package (rpm, deb, tarball). How is that any different than a driver? Both have to be installed by the user. (yes, yes, the default might be to have them preinstalled in some distros, that is not the issiue.)
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+&gt;<i> Le 19/07/2012 05:19, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> util-linux-ng-2.18-4.1.mga1.src.rpm is safely downloded to my local
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drive. Now what do I do with it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi --install-src ./util*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gives a lot of errors about iurt not existing and using root
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead, but does not seem to install anything into /usr/src/RPM/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is probably obvious to everyone here - except me.
+</I>&gt;<i> What is not obvious, tough, as what you are trying to achieve exactly...
+</I>
+I want to look at the source code. I was expecting that command
+line to install (unpack) the source code into /usr/src/RPMS/ but
+maybe --install-src compiles and installs *from* source code?
+
+Either way, what is the approved method of looking at the contents
+of a *.src.rpm file? An RTFM is perfectly apropriate here - as
+long as it includes a link to the FM.
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+&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 19/07/2012 05:19, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> util-linux-ng-2.18-4.1.mga1.src.rpm is safely downloded to my local
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drive. Now what do I do with it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi --install-src ./util*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gives a lot of errors about iurt not existing and using root
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> instead, but does not seem to install anything into /usr/src/RPM/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is probably obvious to everyone here - except me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is not obvious, tough, as what you are trying to achieve exactly...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I want to look at the source code. I was expecting that command
+</I>&gt;<i> line to install (unpack) the source code into /usr/src/RPMS/ but
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe --install-src compiles and installs *from* source code?
+</I>According to the man page, it should just install the source package.
+However, if you already have the source package locally available, urpmi
+doesn't provide any added value over rpm. You'd better use rpm -i
+directly. And no need for root privileges here, unless you really want
+to use /usr/src/RPM tree.
+
+&gt;<i> Either way, what is the approved method of looking at the contents
+</I>&gt;<i> of a *.src.rpm file? An RTFM is perfectly apropriate here - as
+</I>&gt;<i> long as it includes a link to the FM.
+</I><A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/Howto">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Tasks/Packaging/Tools/RPM/Howto</A>
+might be a useful documentation, altough outdated on minor issues (rpm
+-b vs rpmbuild -b, automatic creation of rpm build tree, etc...).
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #391:
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+We already sent around a notice about that.
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+&gt;<i> Either way, what is the approved method of looking at the contents
+</I>&gt;<i> of a *.src.rpm file? An RTFM is perfectly apropriate here - as
+</I>&gt;<i> long as it includes a link to the FM.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:02:41PM +1000, blind Pete wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Either way, what is the approved method of looking at the contents
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of a *.src.rpm file? An RTFM is perfectly apropriate here - as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> long as it includes a link to the FM.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For just a .src.rpm, I use mc. Just press enter on the file and you can
+</I>&gt;<i> inspect it + easily copy the files you want out of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+You can also open .src.rpms with archive managers like file-roller or
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+&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 19/07/2012 05:19, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> util-linux-ng-2.18-4.1.mga1.src.rpm is safely downloded to my local
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drive. Now what do I do with it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi --install-src ./util*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gives a lot of errors about iurt not existing and using root
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> instead, but does not seem to install anything into /usr/src/RPM/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is probably obvious to everyone here - except me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is not obvious, tough, as what you are trying to achieve exactly...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I want to look at the source code. I was expecting that command
+</I>&gt;<i> line to install (unpack) the source code into /usr/src/RPMS/ but
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe --install-src compiles and installs *from* source code?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Either way, what is the approved method of looking at the contents
+</I>&gt;<i> of a *.src.rpm file? An RTFM is perfectly apropriate here - as
+</I>&gt;<i> long as it includes a link to the FM.
+</I>
+If you want to browse the specs, you can also look at the svn:
+
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/util-linux/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/2/util-linux/current/</A>
+
+or
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+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/util-linux/current/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/util-linux/current/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Because it is the same issiue. I treat firmwares the same as I treat
+</I>&gt;<i> any other software. if a device can't work without installing a
+</I>&gt;<i> package contaning non-free firmware, I'm not using it. In order to use
+</I>&gt;<i> it I might need to install a non-free software package (rpm, deb,
+</I>&gt;<i> tarball). How is that any different than a driver? Both have to be
+</I>&gt;<i> installed by the user. (yes, yes, the default might be to have them
+</I>&gt;<i> preinstalled in some distros, that is not the issiue.)
+</I>
+All of this (including the OP) is really a group of artificial
+distinctions. All CPUs contain microcode or some programming
+equivalent, even going back to the days of gates wired in series. You
+may get a Principles of Operation manual that tells you what the
+instructions (are supposed to) do in detail, but that's not the same as
+seeing the &quot;source&quot; (microcode or wiring) that makes it happen, and it
+certainly doesn't allow you to change it at will.
+
+Free Software is about not removing your ability to examine and modify
+things you can reasonably be expected to have the skills and equipment
+to examine and modify. Most of us don't have the ability to manufacture
+our own disk controllers or interrupt controllers. Yet both of those
+contain closed-source custom programming, and nobody seems to think
+twice about using them in FS environments.
+
+Personally, I think that the reasonable lower limit on &quot;free&quot;
+expectations is the ability to burn your own BIOS ROMs if you wish to.
+As far as hardware devices that are built with custom programming, I
+don't see any distinction between wired logic, immutable ROMs, or
+flashable/loadable firmware. Those are all just aspects of how the
+manufacturer supports the device (assuming he does). Loadable firmware
+may make it simpler for the manufacturer to supply updates and easier
+for you to get fixes, but it's no more closed than wired logic is.
+
+In economic terms, what you seem to be asking for is absolute
+unbundling, where every manufacturer is limited to making one and only
+one thing and relying on multiple competing outside suppliers for other
+components with open standards in force at each juncture.
+
+That works best when &quot;commons&quot; are involved, e. g. infrastructure that
+can only have one owner, just as the fiber optic cable in a town or the
+POTS copper cable. In those cases, whoever granted the monopoly
+(usually local government) can classify the resource as a public utility
+and require the owner to rent its capacity to anyone who has the price.
+This is what happened years back in the U.S. with telephone service and
+dial-up ISPs, where the phone companies were told they couldn't refuse
+to carry data traffic for independent ISPs at competitive rates.
+
+Unfortunately, the farther down you drill with this, the greater the
+negative impact on innovation. If I design a graphic card and I'm not
+allowed to bring it to market until I can convince one or more
+independent software development companies to do the programming with an
+open, documented interface, I may not be able to financially survive the
+delay. Theoretically, if the market wants me to document the interface
+so that others can compete with me on the firmware, it will punish me if
+I don't. But in the meantime, I have the opportunity to make early
+profits that will allow me to cover the overhead of doing that later on.
+
+In short, I think you'll find that entusiasm for the Free Software
+concept in the marketplace will dwindle severely as you try to take it
+further and further down to the level of electrons. Most people will
+weigh the inconvenience against the probability that they or anyone
+acting on their behalf will ever exploit that freedom.
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+ <B>blind Pete</B>
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+<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday 19 July 2012 15:08, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why are you talking about *drivers* when the remark you quote is about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> *firmware* ? Some open source drivers don't work (well) without them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> loading non-free firmware into the device.
+</I>
+There are two overlapping issues here.
+
+If you do not trust the competence of the closed source coders then
+closed source firmware plus closed source driver is worse than just
+closed source firmware. More code, so more chance of hitting a bug.
+
+If you do not trust the integrity of the closed source coders then
+you are completely screwed if you use either. Legend has it that
+during the lead up to the first Gulf war the Iraqi military was
+compromised when the US managed to get a &quot;special&quot; printer plugged
+into the Iraqi network.
+
+&gt;<i> Because it is the same issiue. I treat firmwares the same as I treat any
+</I>&gt;<i> other software. if a device can't work without installing a package
+</I>&gt;<i> contaning non-free firmware, I'm not using it.
+</I>
+Stop right there. That is the issue that I am interested in.
+
+I am using an old ATI video card. There is no closed source driver.
+There *is* a firmware update. If I do NOT load the updated firmware
+how does it work? Am I not running any firmware at all? Or am I
+just running an older buggier and equally untrustworthy version of
+the same code that was burned into the ROM at the factory?
+
+When I boot my computer the motherboard BIOS hands control over
+to the video card's BIOS. (Or is that all of the expansion slots
+in turn?) It runs uninspected code from ATI before it even looks
+at my hard disks. Is that any less bad than running uninspected
+current code from ATI? There is a small chance that the firmware
+update is specifically targeted at cracking my computer, but I
+doubt it. There is also a small chance that the only fix in the
+update is to make the spybot work, but I doubt it. If you handle
+state secrets you might want to consider using a pencil and paper.
+
+&gt;<i> In order to use it I might
+</I>&gt;<i> need to install a non-free software package (rpm, deb, tarball). How is
+</I>&gt;<i> that any different than a driver? Both have to be installed by the user.
+</I>&gt;<i> (yes, yes, the default might be to have them preinstalled in some distros,
+</I>&gt;<i> that is not the issiue.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
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+On 2012.07.19, at 06:45, fwang wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Name : dconf Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 0.13.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3 Build Date: Thu Jul 19 06:40:08 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 243577 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/dconf">http://live.gnome.org/dconf</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Configuration backend for Glib
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a configuration backend for Glib's GSettings and part of GNOME 3.0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.13.4-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 272487
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix giolibname
+</I>&gt;<i> - more conflicts should be added
+</I>
+
+There is a problem starting gdm (and I don't know if others) because
+of gnome-session:
+
+gnome-session[2011]: CRITICAL: unable to create file '/run/user/493/dconf': Is a directory. dconf will not work properly.
+
+Patch/rebuild needed ?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 19/07/12 16:30 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 2012.07.19, at 06:45, fwang wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : dconf Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 0.13.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3 Build Date: Thu Jul 19 06:40:08 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 243577 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/dconf">http://live.gnome.org/dconf</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Configuration backend for Glib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is a configuration backend for Glib's GSettings and part of GNOME 3.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.13.4-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 272487
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix giolibname
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - more conflicts should be added
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a problem starting gdm (and I don't know if others) because
+</I>&gt;<i> of gnome-session:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-session[2011]: CRITICAL: unable to create file '/run/user/493/dconf': Is a directory. dconf will not work properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patch/rebuild needed ?
+</I>
+Yeah I saw this too. If you rmdir the directory, it is just recreated
+automatically.
+
+I know gdm does strange things with dconf to inject it's data in so it
+might even need patching. Worth talking to Ray (halfline) upstream maybe?
+
+Col
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+<PRE>On Thursday 19 July 2012 16:31, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> All CPUs contain microcode or some programming
+</I>&gt;<i> equivalent, even going back to the days of gates wired in series. You
+</I>&gt;<i> may get a Principles of Operation manual that tells you what the
+</I>&gt;<i> instructions (are supposed to) do in detail, but that's not the same as
+</I>&gt;<i> seeing the &quot;source&quot; (microcode or wiring) that makes it happen, and it
+</I>&gt;<i> certainly doesn't allow you to change it at will.
+</I>
+I am not talking about the hardware. If I want to change the hardware I have to make something myself, or more realistically, replace it.
+Don't mix the actuall hardware with the software that makes it work.
+
+&gt;<i> Free Software is about not removing your ability to examine and modify
+</I>&gt;<i> things you can reasonably be expected to have the skills and equipment
+</I>&gt;<i> to examine and modify.
+</I>
+That is exactly my point.
+
+&gt;<i> Most of us don't have the ability to manufacture
+</I>&gt;<i> our own disk controllers or interrupt controllers. Yet both of those
+</I>&gt;<i> contain closed-source custom programming, and nobody seems to think
+</I>&gt;<i> twice about using them in FS environments.
+</I>
+If it cannot be changed without replacing the chip or hardware, then it is hardware. Stallman said this himself in many of the various speaches he'd made.
+But if it can be changed by flashing the chip with new software/firmware/biios, then we should have the sourcecode and freedom to do what we want with it.
+
+&gt;<i> Personally, I think that the reasonable lower limit on &quot;free&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> expectations is the ability to burn your own BIOS ROMs if you wish to.
+</I>
+Yes. BIOS is also firmware. :-)=
+
+&gt;<i> As far as hardware devices that are built with custom programming, I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't see any distinction between wired logic, immutable ROMs, or
+</I>&gt;<i> flashable/loadable firmware. Those are all just aspects of how the
+</I>&gt;<i> manufacturer supports the device (assuming he does). Loadable firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> may make it simpler for the manufacturer to supply updates and easier
+</I>&gt;<i> for you to get fixes, but it's no more closed than wired logic is.
+</I>
+That's where the difference of opinion is.
+I have the same opinion on this as Stallman and FSF have. If it can be changed/replaced by using software (i.e. flashing the hardware), we should have the sourcecode with the four freedoms.
+If I don't need to install a non-free package to make the device work, then I don't have a problem with it. I mean, I use computers with non-free BIOS. I don't have to install something to make the BIOS work with my operating system.
+
+&gt;<i> In economic terms, what you seem to be asking for is absolute
+</I>&gt;<i> unbundling,
+</I>
+No. I just want to be able to change the software that is needed to make the hardware work. How they solve that is not my concern. They can release free drivers and firmware, or they can document how it works, and have the community make the drivers. I don't remember who or where, but there exist a community that is willing to make the drivers. All they need is the documentation on how the device works, and they will make drivers and if needed, firmware.
+
+&gt;<i> where every manufacturer is limited to making one and only
+</I>&gt;<i> one thing
+</I>
+They already make only one thing: The hardware. The firmware and drivers only interact with the hardware to make it do what we want it to do.
+
+&gt;<i> That works best when &quot;commons&quot; are involved, e. g. infrastructure that
+</I>&gt;<i> can only have one owner, just as the fiber optic cable in a town or the
+</I>&gt;<i> POTS copper cable. In those cases, whoever granted the monopoly
+</I>&gt;<i> (usually local government) can classify the resource as a public utility
+</I>&gt;<i> and require the owner to rent its capacity to anyone who has the price.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is what happened years back in the U.S. with telephone service and
+</I>&gt;<i> dial-up ISPs, where the phone companies were told they couldn't refuse
+</I>&gt;<i> to carry data traffic for independent ISPs at competitive rates.
+</I>
+Again you are confusing hardware with software. I am not talking about having the hardware manufacturrs to publish blueprints on their hardware, only document how it works. There's a difference.
+
+&gt;<i> If I design a graphic card and I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> allowed to bring it to market until I can convince one or more
+</I>&gt;<i> independent software development companies to do the programming with an
+</I>&gt;<i> open, documented interface, I may not be able to financially survive the
+</I>&gt;<i> delay.
+</I>
+Which is not at all what I'm discussing. You can publish the driver/firmware as Free Software, and the Free Software community will happily buy your hardware just like any other hardware. They migth even prefer and recommend it.
+
+&gt;<i> Theoretically, if the market wants me to document the interface
+</I>&gt;<i> so that others can compete with me on the firmware, it will punish me if
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't. But in the meantime, I have the opportunity to make early
+</I>&gt;<i> profits that will allow me to cover the overhead of doing that later on.
+</I>
+I have no problem with that. That only means that those of us who insist on Free drivers and firmware will be looking for other hardware that have free drivers, untill the time comes that you publish free drivers/firmware.
+
+&gt;<i> Most people will weigh the inconvenience against the probability that they or anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> acting on their behalf will ever exploit that freedom.
+</I>
+I am not most people. ;-)=
+
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+<PRE>On Thursday 19 July 2012 16:55, blind Pete wrote:
+&gt;<i> I am using an old ATI video card. &#160;There is no closed source driver. &#160;
+</I>&gt;<i> There *is* a firmware update. &#160;If I do NOT load the updated firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> how does it work?
+</I>
+It will works just as before.
+I would have no problem using this card, as I don't need to install a closed firmware to make it work.
+
+&gt;<i> Am I not running any firmware at all? &#160;Or am I
+</I>&gt;<i> just running an older buggier and equally untrustworthy version of
+</I>&gt;<i> the same code that was burned into the ROM at the factory? &#160;
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+You are running an old, most likely buggier, code.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 19/07/12 16:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 19/07/12 16:30 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 2012.07.19, at 06:45, fwang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : dconf Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 0.13.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3 Build Date: Thu Jul 19 06:40:08 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 243577 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/dconf">http://live.gnome.org/dconf</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : Configuration backend for Glib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is a configuration backend for Glib's GSettings and part of GNOME 3.0.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.13.4-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 272487
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - fix giolibname
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - more conflicts should be added
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is a problem starting gdm (and I don't know if others) because
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of gnome-session:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-session[2011]: CRITICAL: unable to create file '/run/user/493/dconf': Is a directory. dconf will not work properly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Patch/rebuild needed ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I saw this too. If you rmdir the directory, it is just recreated
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know gdm does strange things with dconf to inject it's data in so it
+</I>&gt;<i> might even need patching. Worth talking to Ray (halfline) upstream maybe?
+</I>
+Actually there is a fix from upstream for it in git master. I applied it
+here and it seems to work OK so just submitted a new build of gdm.
+
+Apparently autologin is also broken in latest gdm, so there will likely
+be a new release out soon when that is fixed according to Ray.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+On 2012.07.19, at 17:59, Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 19/07/12 16:41 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 19/07/12 16:30 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 2012.07.19, at 06:45, fwang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : dconf Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 0.13.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3 Build Date: Thu Jul 19 06:40:08 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There is a problem starting gdm (and I don't know if others) because
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of gnome-session:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-session[2011]: CRITICAL: unable to create file '/run/user/493/dconf': Is a directory. dconf will not work properly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Patch/rebuild needed ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah I saw this too. If you rmdir the directory, it is just recreated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know gdm does strange things with dconf to inject it's data in so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> might even need patching. Worth talking to Ray (halfline) upstream maybe?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually there is a fix from upstream for it in git master. I applied it
+</I>&gt;<i> here and it seems to work OK so just submitted a new build of gdm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+wow, that's speed ! THX !!
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 19/07/12 17:03 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 2012.07.19, at 17:59, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 19/07/12 16:41 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 19/07/12 16:30 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 2012.07.19, at 06:45, fwang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : dconf Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 0.13.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 4.mga3 Build Date: Thu Jul 19 06:40:08 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There is a problem starting gdm (and I don't know if others) because
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of gnome-session:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-session[2011]: CRITICAL: unable to create file '/run/user/493/dconf': Is a directory. dconf will not work properly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Patch/rebuild needed ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah I saw this too. If you rmdir the directory, it is just recreated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I know gdm does strange things with dconf to inject it's data in so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> might even need patching. Worth talking to Ray (halfline) upstream maybe?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually there is a fix from upstream for it in git master. I applied it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here and it seems to work OK so just submitted a new build of gdm.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wow, that's speed ! THX !!
+</I>
+
+And now there is a new upstream release too! Lots of fun! :D
+
+Col
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 07/19/2012 11:48 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+&gt;<i> I am not talking about the hardware. If I want to change the hardware
+</I>&gt;<i> I have to make something myself, or more realistically, replace it.
+</I>...
+&gt;<i> That's where the difference of opinion is. I have the same opinion on
+</I>&gt;<i> this as Stallman and FSF have.
+</I>
+Well, three cheers for you, but I was discussing the issue on its own
+merits, and not Stallman's or FSF's agenda.
+
+The difference of opinion is simply whether &quot;hardware&quot; or &quot;software&quot; has
+anything to do with the issue any more. My point is that I could make a
+perfectly good argument for the position that if it can be programmed, I
+want to be able to program it, and if I can't, then it's not free and open.
+
+That was pretty much the original thrust of the Free Software movement,
+except that back then the only things that were viewed as &quot;programmable&quot;
+were computer systems. That has changed drastically, and it no longer
+makes any sense to draw arbitrary distinctions between hardware and
+software, especially if the basis of the distinction is how far &quot;into
+your face&quot; the existence of closed software gets.
+
+If you use a computer of any sort, you are at some point and at some
+level using closed proprietary software whether you like it or not.
+That's always been true, just not as obvious as it is today. And that's
+why drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and trying to view the issue
+as black and white doesn't make sense. It is, and always has been,
+shades of grey.
+
+In our case, the particular greyscale balances finer feelings about free
+software against the desire to be able to accomplish certain goals,
+whether the goal is to get 3D video, be able to use
+commercially-produced hard disks, or even just use a computer to do
+*anything* at all. At some point, we all cave and walk away from the
+ideals.
+
+BTW, my last post was directed at the thread in general, not you
+specifically. Please don't think that I was singling out &quot;your&quot;
+particular line in the sand. My point is that *any* line in the sand is
+equally meaningless. And, as should be obvious at this point, I wasn't
+&quot;confusing&quot; hardware and software, I was deliberately erasing the
+distinction between them.
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+I didn't see anything about moving /var/run &amp; /var/lock to tmpfs or
+symlink them to /run &amp; /run/lock ( see also
+<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/var-run-tmpfs">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/var-run-tmpfs</A> ).
+Is there something planned to mga3 ?
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+<PRE>I keep getting this conflict:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at excalibur</A> ~#] urpmi --auto-select
+Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+lib64dri-drivers-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+mesa[== 8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted])
+lib64mesagl1-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+lib64dri-drivers[&gt;= 8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted])
+lib64mesagl1-devel-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+lib64mesagl1[== 8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted])
+libdri-drivers-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.i586 (due to conflicts with
+lib64dri-drivers-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted.x86_64)
+libmesagl1-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.i586 (due to unsatisfied libdri-drivers[&gt;=
+8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3])
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+
+
+And this is what I have installed currently:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at excalibur</A> ~#] rpm -qa | grep mesa
+libmesaegl1-8.1.0-0.git20120715.1.mga3
+lib64mesagl1-8.1.0-0.git20120715.1.mga3
+lib64mesaglu1-devel-8.1.0-0.git20120715.1.mga3
+lib64mesaglesv2_2-8.1.0-0.git20120715.1.mga3
+lib64mesagl1-devel-8.1.0-0.git20120715.1.mga3
+libmesaopenvg1-8.1.0-0.git20120715.1.mga3
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Julien at 19/07/12 17:49 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't see anything about moving /var/run &amp; /var/lock to tmpfs or
+</I>&gt;<i> symlink them to /run &amp; /run/lock ( see also
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/var-run-tmpfs">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/var-run-tmpfs</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there something planned to mga3 ?
+</I>
+Yup, this is going to happen very soon as part of the usrmerge. I didn't
+specifically mention it separately but it'll be coming soon.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Scott Chevalley at 19/07/12 18:14 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I keep getting this conflict:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at excalibur</A> ~#] urpmi --auto-select
+</I>&gt;<i> Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64dri-drivers-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> mesa[== 8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted])
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mesagl1-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64dri-drivers[&gt;= 8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted])
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mesagl1-devel-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mesagl1[== 8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted])
+</I>&gt;<i> libdri-drivers-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.i586 (due to conflicts with
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64dri-drivers-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.tainted.x86_64)
+</I>&gt;<i> libmesagl1-8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3.i586 (due to unsatisfied libdri-drivers[&gt;=
+</I>&gt;<i> 8.1.0-0.git20120715.2.mga3])
+</I>&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) y
+</I>
+Looks like the main mesa package didn't make it onto the mirrors or
+something similar.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:13:45 +0100,
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Julien at 19/07/12 17:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I didn't see anything about moving /var/run &amp; /var/lock to tmpfs or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; symlink them to /run &amp; /run/lock ( see also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/var-run-tmpfs">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/var-run-tmpfs</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there something planned to mga3 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, this is going to happen very soon as part of the usrmerge. I didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> specifically mention it separately but it'll be coming soon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+thanks for the answer :)
+
+Julien
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+&gt;<i> Name : libsoup Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.39.4.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Jul 17 14:51:59 2012
+</I>
+Hello,
+
+There are file conflicts between the locale files of i586 and x86_64
+packages of different EVR:
+
+file /usr/share/locale/be/LC_MESSAGES/libsoup.mo from install of
+lib64soup2.4_1-2.39.4.1-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file fr
+om package libsoup2.4_1-2.39.3-1.mga3.i586
+
+How can we solve that? By adding explicit conflicts?
+Conflicts: lib%{_other_arch} != %{version}-%{release}
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:09:05PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : libsoup Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 2.39.4.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Jul 17 14:51:59 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are file conflicts between the locale files of i586 and x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> packages of different EVR:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/share/locale/be/LC_MESSAGES/libsoup.mo from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64soup2.4_1-2.39.4.1-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file fr
+</I>&gt;<i> om package libsoup2.4_1-2.39.3-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How can we solve that? By adding explicit conflicts?
+</I>&gt;<i> Conflicts: lib%{_other_arch} != %{version}-%{release}
+</I>
+I thought such files should never conflict? Is this a packaging bug or
+upstream thing? I don't get why these files would differ per arch.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> Name : glibc Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.16 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Wed Jul 18 20:50:35 2012
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+It conflicts with nss_db:
+Installation failed:
+ file /lib64/libnss_db.so.2 from install of glibc-6:2.16-1.mga3.x86_64
+ conflicts with file from package nss_db-2.2.3-0.pre1.9.mga1.x86_64
+ file /usr/bin/makedb from install of glibc-6:2.16-1.mga3.x86_64
+ conflicts with file from package nss_db-2.2.3-0.pre1.9.mga1.x86_64
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+Olav Vitters wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Name : libsoup Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; relocatable) Version : 2.39.4.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Build Date: Tue Jul 17 14:51:59 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There are file conflicts between the locale files of i586 and x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages of different EVR:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; file /usr/share/locale/be/LC_MESSAGES/libsoup.mo from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib64soup2.4_1-2.39.4.1-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file fr
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; om package libsoup2.4_1-2.39.3-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How can we solve that? By adding explicit conflicts?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Conflicts: lib%{_other_arch} != %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought such files should never conflict? Is this a packaging bug or
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream thing? I don't get why these files would differ per arch.
+</I>
+
+It is miss-packaged.
+
+The locale files should be included in the devel rpm Not in the library
+rpm.
+Library rpms should contain Only .so.%{major} files.
+
+
+ Charles
+
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+The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth.
+ -- A. Camus
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:09:05PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Name : libsoup Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 2.39.4.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Jul 17 14:51:59 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are file conflicts between the locale files of i586 and x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages of different EVR:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file /usr/share/locale/be/LC_MESSAGES/libsoup.mo from install of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64soup2.4_1-2.39.4.1-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file fr
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> om package libsoup2.4_1-2.39.3-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How can we solve that? By adding explicit conflicts?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Conflicts: lib%{_other_arch} != %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought such files should never conflict? Is this a packaging bug or
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream thing? I don't get why these files would differ per arch.
+</I>
+They conflict because they are different (from different versions of
+libsoup).
+
+neoclust mentionned another possible solution: move the locale files
+into a noarch package.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:12:34 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Name : libsoup Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; relocatable) Version : 2.39.4.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Build Date: Tue Jul 17 14:51:59 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; There are file conflicts between the locale files of i586 and x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; packages of different EVR:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; file /usr/share/locale/be/LC_MESSAGES/libsoup.mo from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; lib64soup2.4_1-2.39.4.1-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file fr
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; om package libsoup2.4_1-2.39.3-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; How can we solve that? By adding explicit conflicts?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Conflicts: lib%{_other_arch} != %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I thought such files should never conflict? Is this a packaging bug or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upstream thing? I don't get why these files would differ per arch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is miss-packaged.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The locale files should be included in the devel rpm Not in the library
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i> Library rpms should contain Only .so.%{major} files.
+</I>
+in the devel ?
+
+i think a libsoup-l10n ( noarch package ) would be a better idea.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; file /usr/share/locale/be/LC_MESSAGES/libsoup.mo from install of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; lib64soup2.4_1-2.39.4.1-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file fr
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; om package libsoup2.4_1-2.39.3-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; How can we solve that? By adding explicit conflicts?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Conflicts: lib%{_other_arch} != %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I thought such files should never conflict? Is this a packaging bug or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upstream thing? I don't get why these files would differ per arch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is miss-packaged.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The locale files should be included in the devel rpm Not in the library
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm.
+</I>
+Why in the devel package?
+Aren't these used by end-users?
+
+&gt;<i> Library rpms should contain Only .so.%{major} files.
+</I>
+Right
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:12:34 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; file /usr/share/locale/be/LC_MESSAGES/libsoup.mo from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; lib64soup2.4_1-2.39.4.1-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file fr
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; om package libsoup2.4_1-2.39.3-1.mga3.i586
+</I>
+Note that there are two different base versions here, visible when
+they're lined up:
+
+lib64soup2.4_1-2.39.4.1-1.mga3.x86_64
+ libsoup2.4_1-2.39.3-1.mga3.i586
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+&gt;<i> It is miss-packaged.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The locale files should be included in the devel rpm Not in the library
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm.
+</I>
+No, they shouldn't--then the internationalization would only be available
+when the user installs the development packages, which doesn't make
+sense.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dan
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+&gt;<i> neoclust mentionned another possible solution: move the locale files
+</I>&gt;<i> into a noarch package.
+</I>
+I tried doing that in -3 (ignore -2 :P)
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+Olivier Blin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; How can we solve that? By adding explicit conflicts?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Conflicts: lib%{_other_arch} != %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I thought such files should never conflict? Is this a packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; bug or upstream thing? I don't get why these files would differ
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; per arch.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is miss-packaged.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The locale files should be included in the devel rpm Not in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; library rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why in the devel package?
+</I>&gt;<i> Aren't these used by end-users?
+</I>
+I meant that if the pkg is to be split into only lib, lib-devel rpms
+then all files other than .so.%{major} files should be included in the
+devel rpm.
+
+If the locale files are in fact needed by the end-user for the proper
+usage/working of the library pkg then they should be pkged separately
+as is done with other librarys which includes binaries such as
+libnotify, not to mention pkgs such as glibc or glib2.0
+
+
+ Charles
+
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+&gt;<i> Name : dconf Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 0.13.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Thu Jul 19 06:33:57 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 243433 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/dconf">http://live.gnome.org/dconf</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Configuration backend for Glib
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a configuration backend for Glib's GSettings and part of GNOME 3.0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.13.4-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 272482
+</I>&gt;<i> - add conflicts to ease upgrading
+</I>
+The gio modules should not be in the lib package, but in a separate package.
+
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+&gt;<i> Just reduce the number of -lfoobar arguments given to the linker to the
+</I>&gt;<i> minimal subset needed. Which usually means messing with the software
+</I>&gt;<i> build system.
+</I>
+Can you point to a package where this is beeing done, so I can look at a patch to see how it's done?
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+On 19/07/12 16:58, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am I not running any firmware at all? Or am I just running an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> older buggier and equally untrustworthy version of the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> code that was burned into the ROM at the factory?
+</I>&gt;<i> You are running an old, most likely buggier, code.
+</I>
+And sometimes, less secure code.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:36:02PM +0200, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+&gt;<i> in the devel ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i think a libsoup-l10n ( noarch package ) would be a better idea.
+</I>
+This has been split into a -common package before, such as libexif12-common.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dan
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?">olav at vitters.nl
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+ <I>Fri Jul 20 19:42:12 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i> Can you point to a package where this is beeing done, so I can look at
+</I>&gt;<i> a patch to see how it's done?
+</I>
+IMO that is an upstream bug and should be fixed there.
+
+I know that in at least one gnome package, those errors were introduced
+on purpose as to fix the as-needed linking. Upstream said this solution
+was way easier than a proper once, had to do with the buildsystem
+(automake) not being smart enough.
+
+Often I leave it to upstream to fix bugs (partly due to not a developer
++ lack of knowledge).. but sometimes that just means I committed the fix
+upstream :P (for string formatting errors or translation errors)
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+ <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B>
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+
+
+i just add a patch in our kde 4.9 to use udisk2 instead of udisk.
+
+Please tell if you notice any breakage because of this change
+
+Regards,
+Nicolas.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 20 juillet 2012 20:53:31 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i just add a patch in our kde 4.9 to use udisk2 instead of udisk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please tell if you notice any breakage because of this change
+</I>Thanks padajedimastwan :)
+I asked to add it initially when the switch to 4.9 branch was requested but i
+was kindly ignored ;).
+I'll be pleased to test it (probably next week since chronopost is getting fun
+with my new &amp; shiny computer...)
+
+Regards,
+
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> x86_64]# urpme kernel-server-3.4.5-1.mga3-1-1.mga3
+kernel-server-devel-3.4.5-1.mga3-1-1.mga3
+To satisfy dependencies, the following 3 packages will be removed
+(66MB): kernel-server-3.4.5-1.mga3-1-1.mga3.x86_64
+ kernel-server-devel-3.4.5-1.mga3-1-1.mga3.x86_64
+ nvidia-current-kernel-3.4.5-server-1.mga3-295.59-2.mga3.nonfree.x86_64
+ (due to missing kernel-server-3.4.5-1.mga3,
+ due to missing kernel-server-3.4.5-1.mga3[*])
+Remove 3 packages? (y/N) y
+removing kernel-server-3.4.5-1.mga3-1-1.mga3.x86_64
+kernel-server-devel-3.4.5-1.mga3-1-1.mga3.x86_64
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.4.5-server-1.mga3-295.59-2.mga3.nonfree.x86_64
+dkms.conf: Error! No 'DEST_MODULE_LOCATION' directive specified.
+dkms.conf: Error! No 'PACKAGE_NAME' directive specified.
+dkms.conf: Error! No 'PACKAGE_VERSION' directive specified.
+
+Error! Bad conf file.
+Your dkms.conf is not valid.
+error:
+%preun(nvidia-current-kernel-3.4.5-server-1.mga3-295.59-2.mga3.nonfree.x86_64)
+scriptlet failed, exit status 4
+removing package
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.4.5-server-1.mga3-295.59-2.mga3.nonfree.x86_64
+
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
+Last time I had intimate contact with another human being was rather a
+painful experience... I rather liked it... ;)
+ -- Brett Manz
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.4.4-server-2.mga3 x86_64
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+&gt;<i> dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1:1.2.6-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 273053
+</I>&gt;<i> - lets provide clients to make the drakconf work properly
+</I>Why not fix drakconf instead ?
+
+
+--
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+
+Fiber optics caused gas main leak
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+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i> 273095
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i> matteo
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-07-21 11:47:46 +0200 (Sat, 21 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SILENT: new file ./SOURCES/monodevelop-debugger-gdb-3.0.3.4.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * cauldron/monodevelop-debugger-gdb/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;#cauldronmonodevelopdebuggergdbcurrentSOURCESsha1lst&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/monodevelop-debugger-gdb/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/monodevelop-debugger-gdb/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst 2012-07-21 09:47:36 UTC (rev 273094)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/monodevelop-debugger-gdb/current/SOURCES/sha1.lst 2012-07-21 09:47:46 UTC (rev 273095)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -0,0 +1 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +2c22fd0d69a80d431c62d9be6e25cf6f2abb0f36 monodevelop-debugger-gdb-3.0.3.4.tar.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+FYI and BTW, users shouldn't use 'mgarepo sync -c' anymore as there's no
+need for it. It just pollutes the changelog ML and #mageia-commits.
+
+IMHO we should drop the whole -c switch.
+
+'mgarepo sync' and 'mgarepo ci' or 'svn ci' after spec is modified and
+the new source is downloaded is enough to upload the new source files,
+spec and sha1.lst (all in single commit). You can use 'mgarepo sync -d'
+instead of 'mgarepo sync' to also dl the sources.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1:1.2.6-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 273053
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - lets provide clients to make the drakconf work properly
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not fix drakconf instead ?
+</I>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+OK, so the usr move will come very soon. In order to make this
+transition, we need to manually build a few packages to avoid breaking
+the build system, so while I'm in the process of doing this can I ask
+that no-one submits any of the following packages:
+
+acl alsa-utils attr bluez coreutils davfs2 db47 db48 db51 db52 dmapi
+filesystem findutils fuse gawk gettext grub gzip iputils kbd kmod
+libselinux libtermcap libusb1 libusb-compat lsb lsb-release ncpfs
+ncurses nspr nss open pcre pdksh plymouth procps readline sound-scripts
+util-linux xfsdump xz zlib
+
+I will post more instructions in due course about how to actually
+perform the update (it does require, for now, some manual steps), but
+don't worry about updating cauldron systems as it will not be possible
+to install the affected packages until the conversion is performed.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+
+You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+This is intended behaviour.
+
+Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+
+ 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+ 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+ 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+rpm -e dpkg)
+ 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+-a convertfs
+ 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+ - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+/lib64 content.
+ - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+it rw.
+ 6. Reboot.
+ 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+
+That should be all that is needed :)
+
+If you are extra paranoid, or want to see what is going on, then you can
+remove the &quot;splash&quot; and &quot;quiet&quot; options from the kernel too.
+
+If you want to see things in more depth, you can also add
+rd.break=pre-pivot to the kernel. You will be dumped into a shell with
+your / mounted as /sysroot. This shell is *before* conversion. If you
+type &quot;exit&quot; the conversion will be done, and you'll be dumped to another
+shell afterwards. Typing exit once more here will boot the system as normal.
+
+
+
+All the best and good luck!!!
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 22 juillet 2012 01:12:58 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>
+i can't install anything:
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+installing filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.i586.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Installation failed: rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed by
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+ <B>David Walser</B>
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+ <I>Sun Jul 22 03:25:10 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+&gt;<i> Is apache-mpm gone for good?
+</I>
+I'm not sure, I did notice all the mpm packages were removed in the 2.4 update. Could be a temporary thing to get it to build, or it could be
+a permanent change since we're apparently using Fedora as upstream for our apache package now instead of Mandriva.
+
+Let me read your mind as to why you're asking this, however. apache-mod_php requires apache-mpm and you're wondering what to do about that.
+That require is actually incorrect, even on Mageia 2, and I wish I had caught this earlier. The require should now just be on apache, and I'll
+have to make the same change in Mageia 2 next time we issue a security update for php. See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6534">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6534</A> for
+some background. Basically this is a result of the way we reorganized the requires of the packages within the apache spec before Mageia 2.
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+<PRE>On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:12:58 +0100
+Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be
+</I>&gt;<i> installed. 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut&quot; to make sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update
+</I>&gt;<i> if it was in a transaction with other packages that could not be
+</I>&gt;<i> installed). 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed
+</I>&gt;<i> (rpm -e zapata; rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>
+After installing all the updates if I then install a new kernel will I
+need to make any adjustments or will it creat a proper and bootable
+initrd during installation?
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
+We ARE as gods and might as well get good at it.
+ -- Whole Earth Catalog
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.4.6-tmb-server-1.mga3 x86_64
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+<PRE>In the boost spec, for example this one:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/1/boost/current/SPECS/boost.spec?revision=265078&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/updates/1/boost/current/SPECS/boost.spec?revision=265078&amp;view=markup</A>
+
+There is this definition:
+%define libnamedevel %mklibname boost -d
+
+And then @ line 98 we have:
+%package -n %{libnamedevel}-doc
+Summary: The libraries and headers needed for Boost development
+Group: Development/C++
+Provides: %{name}-devel-doc = %{version}-%{release}
+Conflicts: %{_lib}boost-devel &lt; 1.41.0
+BuildArch: noarch
+
+This is a documentation package, not a library package, so it shouldn't be using a mklibname name in the name, right? This causes a package
+by the following name to appear on the *i586* mirrors:
+lib64boost-devel-doc
+
+I guess that's because it's noarch, so it's only generated on one arch (x86_64 apparently) and used on all arches.
+
+Shouldn't the package actually be named %{name}-devel-doc instead of just providing it?
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone">mageia at colin.guthr.ie
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 22/07/12 01:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Is apache-mpm gone for good?
+</I>
+IIRC, the different mpm's can now be configured and loaded as needed, so
+yes, there is no need to have all the separate mpm's now I believe.
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 22 juillet 2012 01:12:58 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i can't install anything:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> installing filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.i586.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed by
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> any idea ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is expected.
+
+after you have installed the latest dracut, regenerated the initrd,
+booted with &quot;rw rd.convert&quot;, and the system is up again, just
+do a second urpmi --auto-update and it will install the rest of
+the rpms that now depend on the /usr move.
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:12:58 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed. 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut&quot; to make sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if it was in a transaction with other packages that could not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed). 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (rpm -e zapata; rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After installing all the updates if I then install a new kernel will I
+</I>&gt;<i> need to make any adjustments or will it creat a proper and bootable
+</I>&gt;<i> initrd during installation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It should work normally.
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+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>
+
+ 8. run urpmi --auto-update again to pull in the rpms that depend on
+ the completed /usr move...
+
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are extra paranoid, or want to see what is going on, then you can
+</I>&gt;<i> remove the &quot;splash&quot; and &quot;quiet&quot; options from the kernel too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see things in more depth, you can also add
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.break=pre-pivot to the kernel. You will be dumped into a shell with
+</I>&gt;<i> your / mounted as /sysroot. This shell is *before* conversion. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> type &quot;exit&quot; the conversion will be done, and you'll be dumped to another
+</I>&gt;<i> shell afterwards. Typing exit once more here will boot the system as normal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Worked like a charm here on my x86_64 laptop.
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 22/07/12 01:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>
+I should clarify that it is expected that some packages will refuse to
+install due to them requireing the new filesystem package and that
+package itself requires a converted filesystem before it will install.
+
+&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>
+When generating the initrd, make sure you are booted currently on the
+latest kernel, or that you adjust the dracut command accordingly.
+
+&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>
+Oh, yeah, after reboot, make sure you complete the rest of the updates :)
+
+
+Col
+
+
+--
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 22/07/12 02:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:12:58 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed. 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut&quot; to make sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if it was in a transaction with other packages that could not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed). 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (rpm -e zapata; rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After installing all the updates if I then install a new kernel will I
+</I>&gt;<i> need to make any adjustments or will it creat a proper and bootable
+</I>&gt;<i> initrd during installation?
+</I>
+If the updates installed a new kernel, then you can either adjust the
+dracut command I gave to mention the specific initrd name and kernel
+version, or just reboot as normal first and run the dracut command in
+the fresh boot.
+
+HTHs
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 02:39:42 +0100
+Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; boot.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, yeah, after reboot, make sure you complete the rest of the
+</I>&gt;<i> updates :)
+</I>
+
+I am not getting the filesystem conversion.
+
+What am I doing wrong?
+
+I updated dracut and everything else that would install
+
+rpm -q dracut
+dracut-017-22.mga3
+
+Regenerated initrd for the running kernel using
+dracut -f -a convertfs
+
+Reboot
+
+At the command prompt I append
+rw rd.convertfs
+
+No conversion occurs
+installing filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Installation failed: rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed
+by filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64
+
+I do not have a separate /usr
+
+
+ Charles
+
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+Eating peanuts by the peck.
+His father called him, but he could not go,
+For he loved those peanuts so.
+----------------------
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 22/07/12 04:18 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 02:39:42 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh, yeah, after reboot, make sure you complete the rest of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not getting the filesystem conversion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What am I doing wrong?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I updated dracut and everything else that would install
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -q dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut-017-22.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regenerated initrd for the running kernel using
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut -f -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reboot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the command prompt I append
+</I>&gt;<i> rw rd.convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No conversion occurs
+</I>&gt;<i> installing filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed
+</I>&gt;<i> by filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not have a separate /usr
+</I>
+When you reboot please append the following:
+
+ rw rd.convertfs rd.break=pre-pivot
+
+and make sure your remove the following
+
+ splash silent
+
+
+As noted earlier, this will drop you to two debug shells. Type &quot;exit&quot; at
+the first one and then you should see the conversion taking place,
+including any errors relating to rolling back the change and why.
+
+that should give you some clues.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:19:26 +0100
+Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> When you reboot please append the following:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rw rd.convertfs rd.break=pre-pivot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and make sure your remove the following
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> splash silent
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As noted earlier, this will drop you to two debug shells. Type &quot;exit&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> at the first one and then you should see the conversion taking place,
+</I>&gt;<i> including any errors relating to rolling back the change and why.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that should give you some clues.
+</I>
+Booting with
+rw rd.convertfs rd.break=pre-pivot
+
+Using &quot;exit&quot; on 1st shell
+
+(output given as follows)
+
+exit
+pre-pivot
+
+dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+
+Dropping to debug shell.
+
+sh:0: can't access tty; job control off
+switch_root:/#
+
+(end output)
+
+I type exit and the system continues booting.
+
+
+ Charles
+
+
+--
+To err is humor.
+----------------------
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+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 22/07/12 09:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:19:26 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When you reboot please append the following:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rw rd.convertfs rd.break=pre-pivot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and make sure your remove the following
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> splash silent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As noted earlier, this will drop you to two debug shells. Type &quot;exit&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at the first one and then you should see the conversion taking place,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> including any errors relating to rolling back the change and why.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that should give you some clues.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Booting with
+</I>&gt;<i> rw rd.convertfs rd.break=pre-pivot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using &quot;exit&quot; on 1st shell
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (output given as follows)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> exit
+</I>&gt;<i> pre-pivot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dropping to debug shell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sh:0: can't access tty; job control off
+</I>&gt;<i> switch_root:/#
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (end output)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I type exit and the system continues booting.
+</I>
+
+So this looks really like the convertfs module is simply not included in
+your initrd.
+
+Can you confirm that your grub entry is using the latest kernel and that
+the initrd used is the right one?
+
+ lsinitrd | grep convertfs
+
+This should give you some results.
+
+It just seems like you regenerated the initrd when not booted on the
+latest kernel or that you are using a non-latest initrd.
+
+Either way just work out which kernel+initrd combo you are using and
+regenerate it to include the convertfs module.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:59:27 +0100
+Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Booting with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rw rd.convertfs rd.break=pre-pivot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Using &quot;exit&quot; on 1st shell
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (output given as follows)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pre-pivot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dropping to debug shell.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sh:0: can't access tty; job control off
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; switch_root:/#
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (end output)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I type exit and the system continues booting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So this looks really like the convertfs module is simply not included
+</I>&gt;<i> in your initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you confirm that your grub entry is using the latest kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> that the initrd used is the right one?
+</I>
+I use lilo.
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# uname -r
+3.4.6-tmb-server-1.mga3
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# dracut -f -a convertfs
+I: *** Including module: dash ***
+I: *** Including module: i18n ***
+I: *** Including module: rpmversion ***
+I: *** Including module: convertfs ***
+I: *** Including module: plymouth ***
+I: *** Including module: kernel-modules ***
+I: *** Including module: resume ***
+I: *** Including module: rootfs-block ***
+I: *** Including module: terminfo ***
+I: *** Including module: udev-rules ***
+I: Skipping udev rule: 50-udev.rules
+I: Skipping udev rule: 95-late.rules
+I: Skipping udev rule: 50-firmware.rules
+I: *** Including module: usrmount ***
+I: *** Including module: base ***
+I: *** Including module: fs-lib ***
+I: *** Including module: shutdown ***
+I: Skipping program kexec as it cannot be found and is flagged to be
+optional I: *** Including modules done ***
+I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.4.6-tmb-server-1.mga3.img:
+I: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7032269 Jul 22
+05:02 /boot/initrd-3.4.6-tmb-server-1.mga3.img
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lsinitrd | grep convertfs
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 304 Feb 24 09:38
+lib/dracut/hooks/pre-pivot/99do-convertfs.sh
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8031 Jul 21 12:19 usr/bin/convertfs
+
+
+
+reboot system
+
+Same occurs
+
+exit
+pre-pivot
+
+dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+
+Dropping to debug shell.
+
+sh:0: can't access tty; job control off
+switch_root:/#
+
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# uname -r
+3.4.6-tmb-server-1.mga3
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lsinitrd | grep convertfs
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 304 Feb 24 09:38
+lib/dracut/hooks/pre-pivot/99do-convertfs.sh
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8031 Jul 21 12:19 usr/bin/convertfs
+
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+ Charles
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 22/07/12 10:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:59:27 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Booting with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rw rd.convertfs rd.break=pre-pivot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Using &quot;exit&quot; on 1st shell
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (output given as follows)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> exit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pre-pivot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dropping to debug shell.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sh:0: can't access tty; job control off
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> switch_root:/#
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (end output)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I type exit and the system continues booting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So this looks really like the convertfs module is simply not included
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in your initrd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can you confirm that your grub entry is using the latest kernel and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that the initrd used is the right one?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use lilo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# uname -r
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.4.6-tmb-server-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# dracut -f -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: dash ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: i18n ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: rpmversion ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: convertfs ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: plymouth ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: kernel-modules ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: resume ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: rootfs-block ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: terminfo ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: udev-rules ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: Skipping udev rule: 50-udev.rules
+</I>&gt;<i> I: Skipping udev rule: 95-late.rules
+</I>&gt;<i> I: Skipping udev rule: 50-firmware.rules
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: usrmount ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: base ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: fs-lib ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: *** Including module: shutdown ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: Skipping program kexec as it cannot be found and is flagged to be
+</I>&gt;<i> optional I: *** Including modules done ***
+</I>&gt;<i> I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.4.6-tmb-server-1.mga3.img:
+</I>&gt;<i> I: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7032269 Jul 22
+</I>&gt;<i> 05:02 /boot/initrd-3.4.6-tmb-server-1.mga3.img
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lsinitrd | grep convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 304 Feb 24 09:38
+</I>&gt;<i> lib/dracut/hooks/pre-pivot/99do-convertfs.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8031 Jul 21 12:19 usr/bin/convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot system
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same occurs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> exit
+</I>&gt;<i> pre-pivot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut warning: Break before switch_root
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dropping to debug shell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sh:0: can't access tty; job control off
+</I>&gt;<i> switch_root:/#
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# uname -r
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.4.6-tmb-server-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lsinitrd | grep convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 304 Feb 24 09:38
+</I>&gt;<i> lib/dracut/hooks/pre-pivot/99do-convertfs.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8031 Jul 21 12:19 usr/bin/convertfs
+</I>
+
+That's weird.
+
+When in the shell can you (triple) check that the path usr/bin/convertfs
+is really there in the initrd (just type &quot;ls usr/bin/convertfs&quot; in the
+first shell)
+
+As you use lilo have you run whatever command you have to run to update
+it before rebooting? I forget what it is - maybe just &quot;lilo&quot;?
+
+Col
+
+
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>22.07.2012 08:54, Pierre Jarillon skrev:
+&gt;<i> I don't know if this is a safe way but it should be interesting to have a look
+</I>&gt;<i> on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=65681">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=65681</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.rosalab.ru/en/index.php/Drakxtools_Future_Directions">http://wiki.rosalab.ru/en/index.php/Drakxtools_Future_Directions</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Nope.
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+We are not a KDE only distro.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 22/07/12 02:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 22/07/12 01:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I should clarify that it is expected that some packages will refuse to
+</I>&gt;<i> install due to them requireing the new filesystem package and that
+</I>&gt;<i> package itself requires a converted filesystem before it will install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When generating the initrd, make sure you are booted currently on the
+</I>&gt;<i> latest kernel, or that you adjust the dracut command accordingly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, yeah, after reboot, make sure you complete the rest of the updates :)
+</I>
+I've clarified these instructions on the wiki:
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes</A>
+
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+Feel free to augment them with better info as needed.
+
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+ <B>Claire Revillet</B>
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+<PRE>Le 22/07/2012 02:12, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are extra paranoid, or want to see what is going on, then you can
+</I>&gt;<i> remove the &quot;splash&quot; and &quot;quiet&quot; options from the kernel too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see things in more depth, you can also add
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.break=pre-pivot to the kernel. You will be dumped into a shell with
+</I>&gt;<i> your / mounted as /sysroot. This shell is *before* conversion. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> type &quot;exit&quot; the conversion will be done, and you'll be dumped to another
+</I>&gt;<i> shell afterwards. Typing exit once more here will boot the system as normal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi
+What append if we decide not to make the step on our machine ?
+Will it still be possible to update ? to package ?
+
+Claire
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 22 juillet 2012 12:56:42 Claire Revillet a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 22/07/2012 02:12, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you are extra paranoid, or want to see what is going on, then you can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; remove the &quot;splash&quot; and &quot;quiet&quot; options from the kernel too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you want to see things in more depth, you can also add
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rd.break=pre-pivot to the kernel. You will be dumped into a shell with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; your / mounted as /sysroot. This shell is *before* conversion. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; type &quot;exit&quot; the conversion will be done, and you'll be dumped to another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shell afterwards. Typing exit once more here will boot the system as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; normal.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> What append if we decide not to make the step on our machine ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Will it still be possible to update ? to package ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>
+filesystem rpm won't install anymore so you won't be able to update your
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Nicolas L&#233;cureuil at 22/07/12 11:58 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 22 juillet 2012 12:56:42 Claire Revillet a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 22/07/2012 02:12, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you are extra paranoid, or want to see what is going on, then you can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remove the &quot;splash&quot; and &quot;quiet&quot; options from the kernel too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you want to see things in more depth, you can also add
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rd.break=pre-pivot to the kernel. You will be dumped into a shell with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> your / mounted as /sysroot. This shell is *before* conversion. If you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> type &quot;exit&quot; the conversion will be done, and you'll be dumped to another
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shell afterwards. Typing exit once more here will boot the system as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> normal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What append if we decide not to make the step on our machine ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Will it still be possible to update ? to package ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem rpm won't install anymore so you won't be able to update your
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron anymore
+</I>
+
+Yes exactly.
+
+This is a necessary step to continue using Cauldron really. It's also
+something that will need to be done in the mga2 -&gt; mga3 upgrade although
+I will ensure that a nice packaged solution exits for users doing this
+change so as to be a bit more user friendly.
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Nicolas L&#233;cureuil at 22/07/12 11:58 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 22 juillet 2012 12:56:42 Claire Revillet a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What append if we decide not to make the step on our machine ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Will it still be possible to update ? to package ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; filesystem rpm won't install anymore so you won't be able to update your
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cauldron anymore
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes exactly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a necessary step to continue using Cauldron really. It's also
+</I>&gt;<i> something that will need to be done in the mga2 -&gt; mga3 upgrade although
+</I>&gt;<i> I will ensure that a nice packaged solution exits for users doing this
+</I>&gt;<i> change so as to be a bit more user friendly.
+</I>
+Then just do it now.
+
+I have my laptop + 2 others VM under cauldron at work to be able to
+contribute to Mageia.
+I don't really have time for such migration, and don't want to if this
+can break by laptop then denying me to work.
+
+I'll wait to update my cauldron, no mather if I can't test anymore.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>
+--
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+Olivier Thauvin
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+Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> That's weird.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When in the shell can you (triple) check that the path
+</I>&gt;<i> usr/bin/convertfs is really there in the initrd (just type &quot;ls
+</I>&gt;<i> usr/bin/convertfs&quot; in the first shell)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you use lilo have you run whatever command you have to run to
+</I>&gt;<i> update it before rebooting? I forget what it is - maybe just &quot;lilo&quot;?
+</I>
+
+As the name of the image did not change and the convertfs was added
+at the boot prompt rather than as an append to lilo it I did not run
+&quot;lilo&quot;.
+
+But lilo was the issue.
+I had tried with all the kernels I had installed with no success,
+switched to grub using the same command at the boot prompt and the fs
+converted nicely.
+
+Will be interesting to see if any others using lilo have this problem
+or if I am just &quot;lucky&quot;.
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
+Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it
+is an enemy.
+ -- Albert Einstein
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:39:12 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's weird.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When in the shell can you (triple) check that the path
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usr/bin/convertfs is really there in the initrd (just type &quot;ls
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usr/bin/convertfs&quot; in the first shell)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you use lilo have you run whatever command you have to run to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update it before rebooting? I forget what it is - maybe just &quot;lilo&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As the name of the image did not change and the convertfs was added
+</I>&gt;<i> at the boot prompt rather than as an append to lilo it I did not run
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;lilo&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But lilo was the issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> I had tried with all the kernels I had installed with no success,
+</I>&gt;<i> switched to grub using the same command at the boot prompt and the fs
+</I>&gt;<i> converted nicely.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will be interesting to see if any others using lilo have this problem
+</I>&gt;<i> or if I am just &quot;lucky&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope. everyone using lilo will hit it as every time you recreate initrd,
+lilo must be re-run to be mapped/used correctly...
+
+That's the &quot;downside&quot; of using lilo...
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+--
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 22/07/12 12:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Nicolas L&#233;cureuil at 22/07/12 11:58 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le dimanche 22 juillet 2012 12:56:42 Claire Revillet a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What append if we decide not to make the step on our machine ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will it still be possible to update ? to package ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> filesystem rpm won't install anymore so you won't be able to update your
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron anymore
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes exactly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is a necessary step to continue using Cauldron really. It's also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something that will need to be done in the mga2 -&gt; mga3 upgrade although
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will ensure that a nice packaged solution exits for users doing this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change so as to be a bit more user friendly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then just do it now.
+</I>
+I'd rather not... all this update package would do is generate an initrd
+and add a menu item that uses it and I'd rather concentrate with users
+to run the steps manually for now.
+
+&gt;<i> I have my laptop + 2 others VM under cauldron at work to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute to Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't really have time for such migration, and don't want to if this
+</I>&gt;<i> can break by laptop then denying me to work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll wait to update my cauldron, no mather if I can't test anymore.
+</I>
+Yeah I appreciate that, but I'm not going to do this update package yet.
+I'd rather wait and gather feedback first. All the update package would
+do is the same as I'm asking you to do, so the &quot;risk&quot; of breakage is
+identical in either case. I don't want to provide a package that
+pretends to be any more &quot;safe&quot; than any other mechanism.
+
+It's two very simple manual steps which I do not think is beyond the
+skill set of anyone running cauldron, nor does it take much time.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is apache-mpm gone for good?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure, I did notice all the mpm packages were removed in the 2.4 update. Could be a temporary thing to get it to build, or it could be
+</I>&gt;<i> a permanent change since we're apparently using Fedora as upstream for our apache package now instead of Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me read your mind as to why you're asking this, however. apache-mod_php requires apache-mpm and you're wondering what to do about that.
+</I>&gt;<i> That require is actually incorrect, even on Mageia 2, and I wish I had caught this earlier. The require should now just be on apache, and I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> have to make the same change in Mageia 2 next time we issue a security update for php. See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6534">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6534</A> for
+</I>&gt;<i> some background. Basically this is a result of the way we reorganized the requires of the packages within the apache spec before Mageia 2.
+</I>
+I've uploaded a new php with requires to apache instead of mpm
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+<PRE>Le 22/07/2012 03:33, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 22/07/12 01:35 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is apache-mpm gone for good?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC, the different mpm's can now be configured and loaded as needed, so
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, there is no need to have all the separate mpm's now I believe.
+</I>That's it.
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+<PRE>Le 22/07/2012 03:25, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Let me read your mind as to why you're asking this, however. apache-mod_php requires apache-mpm and you're wondering what to do about that.
+</I>&gt;<i> That require is actually incorrect, even on Mageia 2, and I wish I had caught this earlier. The require should now just be on apache, and I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> have to make the same change in Mageia 2 next time we issue a security update for php. See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6534">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6534</A> for
+</I>&gt;<i> some background. Basically this is a result of the way we reorganized the requires of the packages within the apache spec before Mageia 2.
+</I>AFAIK, php was not compatible with all available apache mpms, hence the
+dependency on a specific one.
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+You did wha... oh _dear_....
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+&gt;<i> Le 22/07/2012 03:25, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let me read your mind as to why you're asking this, however. apache-mod_php requires apache-mpm and you're wondering what to do about that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That require is actually incorrect, even on Mageia 2, and I wish I had caught this earlier. The require should now just be on apache, and I'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have to make the same change in Mageia 2 next time we issue a security update for php. See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6534">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6534</A> for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some background. Basically this is a result of the way we reorganized the requires of the packages within the apache spec before Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK, php was not compatible with all available apache mpms, hence
+</I>&gt;<i> the dependency on a specific one.
+</I>
+Yes, there were comments in the php spec file around conflicts with mpms:
+
+# php is not fully thread safe
+# <A HREF="http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.installation.php#faq.installation.apache2">http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.installation.php#faq.installation.apache2</A>
+# <A HREF="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/681081/is-php-thread-safe">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/681081/is-php-thread-safe</A>
+Conflicts: apache-mpm-worker &gt;= %{apache_version}
+Conflicts: apache-mpm-event &gt;= %{apache_version}
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+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>
+dpkg &gt;= 1.16.0.1-3.mga3 should be safe to keep, since I removed
+/usr/sbin/install-info
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+It will hit the mirrors in a few minutes.
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+&gt;<i> I don't know if this is a safe way but it should be interesting to have a look
+</I>&gt;<i> on it.
+</I>Speaking as gnome user, sounds awful.
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+MCC is one of the strengths of the distribution, and the fact you can
+run it outside of kde or gnome is really important.
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+A kde plugin or whatever they call it to let you run the mcc drak
+programs inside the kde control panel thingy might be OK, but there's a
+risk the standalone shell would be no longer maintained.
+
+Liam
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+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
+&lt;book year=&quot;2012&quot; publisher=&quot;Wrox&quot; edition=&quot;5&quot;&gt;Beginning XML&lt;/book&gt;
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+<PRE>22.07.2012 03:12, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>
+
+4.5 If you use lilo as bootloader, you must re-run it after recreating
+ the initrd (just type &quot;lilo&quot; as root)
+
+
+&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are extra paranoid, or want to see what is going on, then you can
+</I>&gt;<i> remove the &quot;splash&quot; and &quot;quiet&quot; options from the kernel too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see things in more depth, you can also add
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.break=pre-pivot to the kernel. You will be dumped into a shell with
+</I>&gt;<i> your / mounted as /sysroot. This shell is *before* conversion. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> type &quot;exit&quot; the conversion will be done, and you'll be dumped to another
+</I>&gt;<i> shell afterwards. Typing exit once more here will boot the system as normal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>
+This seems to miss quite a lot of packages.
+
+I got better results by using this:
+urpmi --auto-update --split-length 1 --skip '/filesystem|kernel|ncurses/'
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+</I>&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>
+Another tip: make sure your kernel command line is not too long (not
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+For the record, mine was the following (already too long before adding
+rd.converfs...):
+BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=0496a11c-4f6d-427d-874e-f6af4f5a0b0c splash
+quiet resume=UUID=67d65da4-bf8c-45eb-9228-c8701cb3a5ef acpi_osi=Linux
+acpi_backlight=vendor speedboot=no i915.i915_enable_fbc=1
+i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 i915.lvds_downclock=1 init=/bin/systemd vga=788
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+The kernel is supposed to handle longer command lines (since 2.6.21?),
+but it seems to be truncated by grub.
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+&gt;<i> Name : libusbx Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.0.12 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Jul 22 10:56:07 2012
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+[...]
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+&gt;<i> sander85 &lt;sander85&gt; 1.0.12-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 273400
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package libusbx
+</I>
+It conflicts with libusb:
+Installation failed: file /usr/lib64/libusb-1.0.so.0.1.0 from install of
+lib64usbx1.0_0-1.0.12-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.9-2.mga3.x86_64
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+&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
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+Worked without any issues.
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+I am having other issues (X/audio/network related). Making Cauldron
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> filesystem rpm won't install anymore so you won't be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update your cauldron anymore
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes exactly.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> It's two very simple manual steps which I do not think is beyond
+</I>&gt;<i> the skill set of anyone running cauldron, nor does it take much
+</I>&gt;<i> time.
+</I>
+So if someone is on vacation now, has to install all from scratch?
+Can that(those) package(s) remain(s) available for a while or in e
+different repo to allow lazy people like me to update all their vm or
+real machine that maybe are not in the same place? :)
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+Thanks,
+ Angelo
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+<PRE>ovitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Name : gnome-control-center Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.5.5 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Jul 17 20:33:52 2012
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.5.5-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 271996
+</I>&gt;<i> - br ibus-1.0
+</I>
+The region panel crashes:
+gnome-control-center: symbol lookup error:
+/usr/lib64/control-center-1/panels/libregion.so: undefined symbol:
+ibus_bus_new_async
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+gnome-control-center build does not fail or even warn because of this
+missing symbol.
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+I will upgrade our ibus to a pre 1.5 (like Fedora).
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Christiaan Welvaart</B>
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+&gt;<i> sander85 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : libusbx Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 1.0.12 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Jul 22 10:56:07 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sander85 &lt;sander85&gt; 1.0.12-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 273400
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package libusbx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It conflicts with libusb:
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed: file /usr/lib64/libusb-1.0.so.0.1.0 from install of
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64usbx1.0_0-1.0.12-1.mga3.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64usb1.0_0-1.0.9-2.mga3.x86_64
+</I>
+Library policy violation, I think I fixed it in 1.0.12-2.
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+<PRE>22.07.2012 18:14, Angelo Naselli skrev:
+&gt;<i> hmm,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> filesystem rpm won't install anymore so you won't be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update your cauldron anymore
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes exactly.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's two very simple manual steps which I do not think is beyond
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the skill set of anyone running cauldron, nor does it take much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if someone is on vacation now, has to install all from scratch?
+</I>
+No need to install from scratch...
+The packages depending on /usr move will simply not install...
+
+
+&gt;<i> Can that(those) package(s) remain(s) available for a while or in e
+</I>&gt;<i> different repo to allow lazy people like me to update all their vm or
+</I>&gt;<i> real machine that maybe are not in the same place? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No need for separate repo, just do the upgrade when you have time.
+
+--
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+On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:12:58 +0100
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK, I did all that and now I am getting:
+
+[QUOTE]
+installing findutils-4.5.10-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64plymouth2-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-script-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm ncurses-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-label-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64dbjava5.1-5.1.29-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+Preparing... #############################################
+ 1/69: filesystem #############################################
+error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/lock: cpio: rename failed - Is a directory
+error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+ 2/69: ncurses #############################################
+ 3/69: lib64ncurses5 #############################################
+ 4/69: lib64plymouth2 #############################################
+ 5/69: plymouth-plugin-label #############################################
+ 6/69: lib64ncursesw5 #############################################
+ 7/69: lib64ncursesw-devel #############################################
+ 8/69: plymouth-plugin-script
+ #############################################
+ 9/69: lib64ncurses-devel #############################################
+ 10/69: findutils #############################################
+ 11/69: lib64dbjava5.1 #############################################
+[/QUOTE]
+
+And the rest of the packages refuse to install.
+
+What should I do?
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+
+&gt;<i> If you are extra paranoid, or want to see what is going on, then you can
+</I>&gt;<i> remove the &quot;splash&quot; and &quot;quiet&quot; options from the kernel too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see things in more depth, you can also add
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.break=pre-pivot to the kernel. You will be dumped into a shell with
+</I>&gt;<i> your / mounted as /sysroot. This shell is *before* conversion. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> type &quot;exit&quot; the conversion will be done, and you'll be dumped to another
+</I>&gt;<i> shell afterwards. Typing exit once more here will boot the system as normal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
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+he uses Microsoft Windows, it behaves just like a Linux system.
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+On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:46:58 +0300
+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:12:58 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, I did all that and now I am getting:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i> installing findutils-4.5.10-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64plymouth2-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-script-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm ncurses-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-label-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64dbjava5.1-5.1.29-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> Preparing... #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 1/69: filesystem #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/lock: cpio: rename failed - Is a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+</I>&gt;<i> 2/69: ncurses #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 3/69: lib64ncurses5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 4/69: lib64plymouth2 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 5/69: plymouth-plugin-label #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 6/69: lib64ncursesw5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 7/69: lib64ncursesw-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 8/69: plymouth-plugin-script
+</I>&gt;<i> #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 9/69: lib64ncurses-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 10/69: findutils #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 11/69: lib64dbjava5.1 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And the rest of the packages refuse to install.
+</I>
+OK, I figured out. After I ran as root:
+
+# cd /var
+# mv lock lock.ol
+# mv run run.old
+
+It was fixed and I was able to install the &quot;filesystem&quot; package and the rest
+of the packages. However, something like that should not happen.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What should I do?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you are extra paranoid, or want to see what is going on, then you can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; remove the &quot;splash&quot; and &quot;quiet&quot; options from the kernel too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you want to see things in more depth, you can also add
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rd.break=pre-pivot to the kernel. You will be dumped into a shell with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; your / mounted as /sysroot. This shell is *before* conversion. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; type &quot;exit&quot; the conversion will be done, and you'll be dumped to another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shell afterwards. Typing exit once more here will boot the system as normal.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+
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+&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : gnome-control-center Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 3.5.5 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Jul 17 20:33:52 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.5.5-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 271996
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - br ibus-1.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The region panel crashes:
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-control-center: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/control-center-1/panels/libregion.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;<i> ibus_bus_new_async
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-control-center build does not fail or even warn because of this
+</I>&gt;<i> missing symbol.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will upgrade our ibus to a pre 1.5 (like Fedora).
+</I>
+Thanks! I was aware of needing to update ibus (after building g-c-c),
+but hoped for a proper release. I don't like prereleases.
+
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 22/07/12 14:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dpkg &gt;= 1.16.0.1-3.mga3 should be safe to keep, since I removed
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/install-info
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It will hit the mirrors in a few minutes.
+</I>
+Cool. Will that work for everything that needs install-info? I thought
+that the one from dpkg was compatible with the one from texinfo but not
+the other way around? If that's the case, then I guess we should use
+alternatives (uggg!)?
+
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 22/07/12 16:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 01:12:58AM +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Worked without any issues.
+</I>
+Nice :)
+
+&gt;<i> I am having other issues (X/audio/network related). Making Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> totally unstable.
+</I>
+I'm having issues with X due to intel drivers. Gnome-shell crashes
+frequently with &quot;out of space&quot; errors in some intel thing which smells
+to me like something leaking textures.
+
+Col
+
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 22/07/12 17:51 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:46:58 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:12:58 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, I did all that and now I am getting:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing findutils-4.5.10-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64plymouth2-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-script-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm ncurses-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-label-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64dbjava5.1-5.1.29-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing... #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1/69: filesystem #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/lock: cpio: rename failed - Is a directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2/69: ncurses #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3/69: lib64ncurses5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4/69: lib64plymouth2 #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5/69: plymouth-plugin-label #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 6/69: lib64ncursesw5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 7/69: lib64ncursesw-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 8/69: plymouth-plugin-script
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 9/69: lib64ncurses-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 10/69: findutils #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 11/69: lib64dbjava5.1 #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And the rest of the packages refuse to install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, I figured out. After I ran as root:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # cd /var
+</I>&gt;<i> # mv lock lock.ol
+</I>&gt;<i> # mv run run.old
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was fixed and I was able to install the &quot;filesystem&quot; package and the rest
+</I>&gt;<i> of the packages. However, something like that should not happen.
+</I>
+
+Well, this should have been done for you. Did you already have
+run.runmove~ and lock.lockmove~ folders in /var?
+
+If so then I suspect something is killing the symlinks.
+
+I did have this problem initially too because the
+mandriva-clean-var-run-lock.service file would actually delete the
+symlinks and then some other system (perhaps systemd-tmpfiles) actually
+recreated the /var/run and /var/lock folders.
+
+In the latest version of the dracut script I ensured that I disabled
+that script by deleting the service file.
+
+Can you double check that rebooting again doesn't &quot;reconvert&quot; the links
+back to dirs for /var/run and /var/lock because if so, then there could
+be some other &quot;cleaning&quot; config somewhere that I've missed.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> The region panel crashes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-control-center: symbol lookup error:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/control-center-1/panels/libregion.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ibus_bus_new_async
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-control-center build does not fail or even warn because of this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> missing symbol.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will upgrade our ibus to a pre 1.5 (like Fedora).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks! I was aware of needing to update ibus (after building g-c-c),
+</I>&gt;<i> but hoped for a proper release. I don't like prereleases.
+</I>
+I have prepared ibus 1.4.99 in our ibus svn, but it seems to require a
+bit more to be properly integrated in Gnome3.
+Maybe we should add more gjs and xkb patches from Fedora.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dpkg &gt;= 1.16.0.1-3.mga3 should be safe to keep, since I removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/install-info
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It will hit the mirrors in a few minutes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool. Will that work for everything that needs install-info? I thought
+</I>&gt;<i> that the one from dpkg was compatible with the one from texinfo but not
+</I>&gt;<i> the other way around? If that's the case, then I guess we should use
+</I>&gt;<i> alternatives (uggg!)?
+</I>
+The one in dpkg was only a compatibility wrapper to print a warning if
+the old install-info path was hardcoded in a package.
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+Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> when cauldron will reopen, please don't update perl modules yet: perl
+</I>&gt;<i> 5.16.0 is out and i'll update perl to this release first.
+</I>
+For the record, I've committed in SVN my helper script to rebuild a
+major version of perl:
+svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/rebuild_perl_iurt">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/build_system/iurt/trunk/rebuild_perl_iurt</A>
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 22/07/12 17:51 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:46:58 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; installing findutils-4.5.10-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64plymouth2-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-script-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm ncurses-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-label-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64dbjava5.1-5.1.29-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Preparing... #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1/69: filesystem #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/lock: cpio: rename failed - Is a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2/69: ncurses #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 3/69: lib64ncurses5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 4/69: lib64plymouth2 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 5/69: plymouth-plugin-label #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 6/69: lib64ncursesw5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 7/69: lib64ncursesw-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 8/69: plymouth-plugin-script
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 9/69: lib64ncurses-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 10/69: findutils #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 11/69: lib64dbjava5.1 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And the rest of the packages refuse to install.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OK, I figured out. After I ran as root:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # cd /var
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # mv lock lock.ol
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # mv run run.old
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It was fixed and I was able to install the &quot;filesystem&quot; package and the rest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of the packages. However, something like that should not happen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, this should have been done for you. Did you already have
+</I>&gt;<i> run.runmove~ and lock.lockmove~ folders in /var?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If so then I suspect something is killing the symlinks.
+</I>
+Is it normal that in the same time filesystem package provide
+/usr/{lib,bin} etc as directory whereas the pre script transform it as
+symlink (according
+<A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/696f0450c6b9baa8dcf088602f19c810/files">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/696f0450c6b9baa8dcf088602f19c810/files</A>).
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+For me they must be symlinks in the filesystem rpm.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 23/07/12 07:37 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 22/07/12 17:51 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:46:58 +0300
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installing findutils-4.5.10-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64plymouth2-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-script-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm ncurses-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-label-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64dbjava5.1-5.1.29-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing... #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1/69: filesystem #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/lock: cpio: rename failed - Is a directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2/69: ncurses #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3/69: lib64ncurses5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4/69: lib64plymouth2 #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5/69: plymouth-plugin-label #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 6/69: lib64ncursesw5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 7/69: lib64ncursesw-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 8/69: plymouth-plugin-script
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 9/69: lib64ncurses-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 10/69: findutils #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 11/69: lib64dbjava5.1 #############################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And the rest of the packages refuse to install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, I figured out. After I ran as root:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # cd /var
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # mv lock lock.ol
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # mv run run.old
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It was fixed and I was able to install the &quot;filesystem&quot; package and the rest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the packages. However, something like that should not happen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, this should have been done for you. Did you already have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> run.runmove~ and lock.lockmove~ folders in /var?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If so then I suspect something is killing the symlinks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it normal that in the same time filesystem package provide
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/{lib,bin} etc as directory whereas the pre script transform it as
+</I>&gt;<i> symlink (according
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/696f0450c6b9baa8dcf088602f19c810/files">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/696f0450c6b9baa8dcf088602f19c810/files</A>).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me they must be symlinks in the filesystem rpm.
+</I>
+Erm, /usr/{lib,bin} etc. are directories in the package and in the
+filesystem you link above so I'm not sure what you mean about &quot;transform
+[them to] symlinks&quot; in the statement above. There is no pre script that
+does anything to these folders.
+
+However, the /{lib,bin} etc folders *are* symlinks in the package. There
+is a pre-transaction lua script that creates the /usr/blah folders and
+the corresponding symlinks early because we cannot guarentee that
+filesystem will be the first package actually physically installed in
+the transaction and thus /bin or /lib etc. may be implicitly created as
+directories by other package installation in the same transaction. So
+the lua script just pre-empts what the package will do but it ensures it
+happens at the start of the transaction.
+
+I'm not sure if that answers your question or not because the comments
+in the spec file are quite clear about the purpose so they should have
+cleared up any confusion you may have had.
+
+So if I've not grasped what you are asking properly, please clarify and
+I'll try again :)
+
+Col
+
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>Hi Colin,
+
+On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:18:34 +0100
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> OK, I did all that and now I am getting:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; installing findutils-4.5.10-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64plymouth2-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-script-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm ncurses-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm plymouth-plugin-label-0.8.6.1-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64dbjava5.1-5.1.29-4.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncursesw5-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm lib64ncurses-devel-5.9-7.mga3.x86_64.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Preparing... #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1/69: filesystem #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/lock: cpio: rename failed - Is a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64: install failed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2/69: ncurses #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 3/69: lib64ncurses5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 4/69: lib64plymouth2 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 5/69: plymouth-plugin-label #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 6/69: lib64ncursesw5 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 7/69: lib64ncursesw-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 8/69: plymouth-plugin-script
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 9/69: lib64ncurses-devel #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 10/69: findutils #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 11/69: lib64dbjava5.1 #############################################
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [/QUOTE]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And the rest of the packages refuse to install.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OK, I figured out. After I ran as root:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # cd /var
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # mv lock lock.ol
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # mv run run.old
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It was fixed and I was able to install the &quot;filesystem&quot; package and the rest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of the packages. However, something like that should not happen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, this should have been done for you. Did you already have
+</I>&gt;<i> run.runmove~ and lock.lockmove~ folders in /var?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't believe I had those.
+
+&gt;<i> If so then I suspect something is killing the symlinks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did have this problem initially too because the
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva-clean-var-run-lock.service file would actually delete the
+</I>&gt;<i> symlinks and then some other system (perhaps systemd-tmpfiles) actually
+</I>&gt;<i> recreated the /var/run and /var/lock folders.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the latest version of the dracut script I ensured that I disabled
+</I>&gt;<i> that script by deleting the service file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you double check that rebooting again doesn't &quot;reconvert&quot; the links
+</I>&gt;<i> back to dirs for /var/run and /var/lock because if so, then there could
+</I>&gt;<i> be some other &quot;cleaning&quot; config somewhere that I've missed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+After a reboot /var looks like this:
+
+[QUOTE]
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at telaviv1</A>:~$ ls -l /var
+total 92
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 27 13:13 agentx
+drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 cache
+drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 db
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 empty
+drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Jun 28 05:07 games
+drwxr-xr-x 56 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 lib
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 local
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Jul 22 19:41 lock;500c2d1c -&gt; ../run/lock
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Jul 22 19:41 lock;500c2d38 -&gt; ../run/lock
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Jul 22 19:46 lock;500c2e50 -&gt; ../run/lock
+drwxrwxr-x 4 root uucp 4096 Jul 16 04:02 lock.old
+drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Jul 22 20:18 log
+drwx------ 2 root root 16384 Sep 12 2011 lost+found
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jul 22 19:48 mail -&gt; spool/mail
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 nis
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 22 20:16 nmbd
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 opt
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 preserve
+drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Jul 23 11:01 run
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jul 22 19:47 run;500c2e9e -&gt; ../run
+drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 Jul 22 19:38 run.old
+drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 spool
+drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4096 Jul 22 22:49 tmp
+drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jul 17 14:47 www
+drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 21 21:22 yp
+[/QUOTE]
+
+BTW, I should note that right now after a few reboots, I am getting these
+symtoms:
+
+1. I cannot run pm-suspend as user &quot;shlomif&quot;, only as root.
+
+2. On X, I am getting a frequent and random &quot;The password you entered is
+incorrect [CLOSE]&quot; dialogues which I have to click through.
+
+3. Running startx as user &quot;shlomif&quot; gives me:
+
+&lt;&lt;&lt;
+xauth: file /home/shlomif/.serverauth.2718 does not exist
+
+Authentication failed - cannot start X server.
+Perhaps you do not have console ownership?
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+How can I fix these issues?
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+Due to some moves, it seems that some services that were previously
+masked in packages are no longer masked.
+
+This is due to relative symlinks in packages.
+
+In actual fact such symlinks might cause other issues, so we'll have to
+have a look at that.
+
+I wonder if we can tweak whatever RPM macro-fu that converts symlinks to
+relative to be aware of /dev/* links and not make them relative? It
+would solve this particular case but perhaps not more generally.
+
+In the mean time, just cd to /usr/lib/systemd/system and look for any
+broken symlinks to /dev/null and recreate them as needed.
+
+For me:
+
+cd /usr/lib/systemd/system
+for l in netfs.service memcached.service sound.service alsa.service
+portreserve.service; do ln -snf /dev/null $l; done
+
+
+Note that just rebuilding the packages containing these will not be
+enough until the _unitpath is changed.
+
+
+Col
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+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+<PRE>On 22 July 2012 02:12, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>
+That means that live upgrade from mga[12] to mga3 through mgapplet
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+<PRE>On 22 July 2012 03:36, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> after you have installed the latest dracut, regenerated the initrd,
+</I>&gt;<i> booted with &quot;rw rd.convert&quot;, and the system is up again, just
+</I>&gt;<i> do a second urpmi --auto-update and it will install the rest of
+</I>&gt;<i> the rpms that now depend on the /usr move.
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+What about chroots?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 23/07/12 10:48 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 22 July 2012 02:12, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That means that live upgrade from mga[12] to mga3 through mgapplet
+</I>&gt;<i> won't work...
+</I>
+Correct. There has to be a conversion first before the rest of the
+upgrade can complete.
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+I'm not actually a fan of such live updates via an applet anyway
+personally. It's fine for technical people, but for non-technical folks
+lots of things will break on their system until apps or the system is
+restarted anyway. I quite like the offline updates stuff that is
+happening in various corners for this kind of thing as it can all be
+wrapped up into a neat little package for updating, but I digress. We'll
+just have to find a nice way to bundle this up for mga[12].
+
+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+Il 23/07/2012 11:49, Thierry Vignaud ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On 22 July 2012 03:36, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> after you have installed the latest dracut, regenerated the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initrd, booted with &quot;rw rd.convert&quot;, and the system is up again,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just do a second urpmi --auto-update and it will install the rest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the rpms that now depend on the /usr move.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about chroots?
+</I>If I understood correctly you have to install new rpm (for stable
+is in update/testing) i had to in mga2, to use iurt for cauldron
+as well.
+
+Angelo
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+<PRE>On 22 July 2012 19:15, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I am having other issues (X/audio/network related). Making Cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> totally unstable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm having issues with X due to intel drivers. Gnome-shell crashes
+</I>&gt;<i> frequently with &quot;out of space&quot; errors in some intel thing which smells
+</I>&gt;<i> to me like something leaking textures.
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+Should be fixed by the new driver I pushed this morning
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+<PRE>On 23 July 2012 11:55, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> after you have installed the latest dracut, regenerated the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> initrd, booted with &quot;rw rd.convert&quot;, and the system is up again,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just do a second urpmi --auto-update and it will install the rest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the rpms that now depend on the /usr move.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What about chroots?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I understood correctly you have to install new rpm (for stable
+</I>&gt;<i> is in update/testing) i had to in mga2, to use iurt for cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> as well.
+</I>
+No, that's not the question. The issue is: how to convert the fs of
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+&gt;<i> On 23 July 2012 11:55, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> after you have installed the latest dracut, regenerated the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> initrd, booted with &quot;rw rd.convert&quot;, and the system is up again,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just do a second urpmi --auto-update and it will install the rest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the rpms that now depend on the /usr move.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What about chroots?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I understood correctly you have to install new rpm (for stable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is in update/testing) i had to in mga2, to use iurt for cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, that's not the question. The issue is: how to convert the fs of
+</I>&gt;<i> a chroot (aka no bootloader).
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 23/07/12 10:55 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 22 July 2012 19:15, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am having other issues (X/audio/network related). Making Cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> totally unstable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm having issues with X due to intel drivers. Gnome-shell crashes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> frequently with &quot;out of space&quot; errors in some intel thing which smells
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to me like something leaking textures.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should be fixed by the new driver I pushed this morning
+</I>
+Awesome, thanks. Will reboot shortly.
+
+Col
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+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at iglu.org.il</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; BTW, I should note that right now after a few reboots, I am getting these
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; symtoms:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1. I cannot run pm-suspend as user &quot;shlomif&quot;, only as root.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This might be to do with how you login. If you don't use a regular
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; display manager then there may be things that are not hooked up right.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Not sure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am using kdm (cannot use &quot;startx&quot;, though previously pm-suspend worked with
+</I>&gt;<i> startx).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Replying to myself, I'd like to note that I found a solution to problem #1 and
+to problem #3 in these posts:
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+* <A HREF="https://listman.redhat.com/archives/pam-list/2001-December/msg00069.html">https://listman.redhat.com/archives/pam-list/2001-December/msg00069.html</A>
+
+* <A HREF="http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/pam-authentification-failed-cannot-start-x-server-117935/">http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/pam-authentification-failed-cannot-start-x-server-117935/</A>
+
+What I did was (as root):
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+# mkdir -p /var/lock/console
+# touch /var/lock/console/shlomif (where &quot;shlomif&quot; is your user name).
+
+This fixed this problem. Since /var/lock was misplaced due to the /usr move
+transition, it was indeed caused by it.
+
+I'll see if it also fixed problem No. 2.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2. On X, I am getting a frequent and random &quot;The password you entered is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; incorrect [CLOSE]&quot; dialogues which I have to click through.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've seen these dialogs too. I don't think this is anything to do with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; usrmove but rather some other update. Not tracked down what causes it tho'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK. I'll try to investigate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 3. Running startx as user &quot;shlomif&quot; gives me:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; xauth: file /home/shlomif/.serverauth.2718 does not exist
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Authentication failed - cannot start X server.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Perhaps you do not have console ownership?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dunno about that one. Could be related to new X stuff but again I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; *think* it's related to the usrmove (could be wrong of course)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. Correlation does not imply causation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 23/07/12 10:57 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 23 July 2012 11:55, Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> after you have installed the latest dracut, regenerated the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> initrd, booted with &quot;rw rd.convert&quot;, and the system is up again,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just do a second urpmi --auto-update and it will install the rest
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the rpms that now depend on the /usr move.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What about chroots?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I understood correctly you have to install new rpm (for stable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is in update/testing) i had to in mga2, to use iurt for cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, that's not the question. The issue is: how to convert the fs of
+</I>&gt;<i> a chroot (aka no bootloader).
+</I>
+On the cluster we just invalidated them and the rebuilt themselves OK
+(after upgrading rpm as Angelo said).
+
+If, however, you have a chroot and you don't want to trash it + rebuild
+then just ensure the host system has an up-to-date dracut installed if
+the host is cauldron or copy the cauldron script if on an older mga and run:
+
+/usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30convertfs/convertfs.sh /path/to/chroot
+
+We will likely use this same script in the installer for mga2 -&gt; mga3
+upgrades too.
+
+For convenience you can copy the convertfs.sh script from here:
+ <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/usrmove/convertfs.sh">http://colin.guthr.ie/usrmove/convertfs.sh</A>
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+HTHs
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+Begin forwarded message:
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+Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:21:46 +0100
+From: Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;
+To: Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
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+'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 23/07/12 11:08 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:04:30 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at iglu.org.il</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, I should note that right now after a few reboots, I am getting these
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> symtoms:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. I cannot run pm-suspend as user &quot;shlomif&quot;, only as root.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This might be to do with how you login. If you don't use a regular
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> display manager then there may be things that are not hooked up right.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am using kdm (cannot use &quot;startx&quot;, though previously pm-suspend worked with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> startx).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Replying to myself, I'd like to note that I found a solution to problem #1 and
+</I>&gt;<i> to problem #3 in these posts:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://listman.redhat.com/archives/pam-list/2001-December/msg00069.html">https://listman.redhat.com/archives/pam-list/2001-December/msg00069.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/pam-authentification-failed-cannot-start-x-server-117935/">http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/pam-authentification-failed-cannot-start-x-server-117935/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What I did was (as root):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # mkdir -p /var/lock/console
+</I>&gt;<i> # touch /var/lock/console/shlomif (where &quot;shlomif&quot; is your user name).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This fixed this problem. Since /var/lock was misplaced due to the /usr move
+</I>&gt;<i> transition, it was indeed caused by it.
+</I>
+OK, so whatever package ships /var/lock/console folder needs to be
+updated to ship a tmpfiles.d conf file to create that folder on boot.
+
+/var/lock should be a symlink to /run/lock and thus reside on tmpfs and
+thus the tmpfiles.d file should take care of things for you.
+
+Col
+
+
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+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
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+without having to use the backspace key. And it compiled without errors or
+warnings, and was 100% bug&#8208;free.
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 23 July 2012 12:11, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> If, however, you have a chroot and you don't want to trash it + rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> then just ensure the host system has an up-to-date dracut installed if
+</I>&gt;<i> the host is cauldron or copy the cauldron script if on an older mga and run:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30convertfs/convertfs.sh /path/to/chroot
+</I>
+Thx
+
+We miss some conflicts tags for the duplicated files that were removed.
+eg:
+file /usr/bin/login from install of util-linux-2.21.2-2.mga3.x86_64
+conflicts with file from package shadow-utils-2:4.1.4.2-9.mga1.x86_64
+
+&gt;<i> We will likely use this same script in the installer for mga2 -&gt; mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrades too.
+</I>
+I would prefer it would be called by some package post script
+so that the same would work for both live (mgaapplet) &amp; offline
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+ <I>Mon Jul 23 16:01:25 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+Thanks for fw'ing. I just replied to the message Shlomi sent originally
+but as he'd CC'ed me it didn't go via the list and thus I replied
+accidentally in private to him.
+
+See below...
+
+'Twas brillig, and Shlomi Fish at 23/07/12 12:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Replying to myself, I'd like to note that I found a solution to problem #1 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to problem #3 in these posts:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://listman.redhat.com/archives/pam-list/2001-December/msg00069.html">https://listman.redhat.com/archives/pam-list/2001-December/msg00069.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/pam-authentification-failed-cannot-start-x-server-117935/">http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/pam-authentification-failed-cannot-start-x-server-117935/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What I did was (as root):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # mkdir -p /var/lock/console
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # touch /var/lock/console/shlomif (where &quot;shlomif&quot; is your user name).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This fixed this problem. Since /var/lock was misplaced due to the /usr move
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> transition, it was indeed caused by it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so whatever package ships /var/lock/console folder needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> updated to ship a tmpfiles.d conf file to create that folder on boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/lock should be a symlink to /run/lock and thus reside on tmpfs and
+</I>&gt;<i> thus the tmpfiles.d file should take care of things for you.
+</I>
+This issue should now be solved in the latest pam package.
+
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 23/07/12 14:08 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 23 July 2012 12:11, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If, however, you have a chroot and you don't want to trash it + rebuild
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then just ensure the host system has an up-to-date dracut installed if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the host is cauldron or copy the cauldron script if on an older mga and run:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30convertfs/convertfs.sh /path/to/chroot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We miss some conflicts tags for the duplicated files that were removed.
+</I>&gt;<i> eg:
+</I>&gt;<i> file /usr/bin/login from install of util-linux-2.21.2-2.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with file from package shadow-utils-2:4.1.4.2-9.mga1.x86_64
+</I>
+Ahh, good catch. I forgot about this conflict as I fixed shadow-utils a
+week or so ago. I'll take care of it.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> We will likely use this same script in the installer for mga2 -&gt; mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upgrades too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would prefer it would be called by some package post script
+</I>&gt;<i> so that the same would work for both live (mgaapplet) &amp; offline
+</I>&gt;<i> (drakx) upgrades.
+</I>
+Well I do not think doing such a move on an in-use filesystem is a
+particularly good idea (especially for the /var/run bit which makes use
+of several socket files for IPC (think all of dbus breaking).
+
+So doing such a conversion like this does not seem like a good idea to
+me. This is why it is done in the initrd before the switchroot or in the
+installer when the system is mounted under /mnt.
+
+That's my opinion on it. One thought: we could put it in a %post script
+provided it was protected via a check on the $DURING_INSTALL variable
+and thus only ran in the installer context.
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+&gt;<i> Well I do not think doing such a move on an in-use filesystem is a
+</I>&gt;<i> particularly good idea (especially for the /var/run bit which makes use
+</I>&gt;<i> of several socket files for IPC (think all of dbus breaking).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So doing such a conversion like this does not seem like a good idea to
+</I>&gt;<i> me. This is why it is done in the initrd before the switchroot or in the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer when the system is mounted under /mnt.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's my opinion on it. One thought: we could put it in a %post script
+</I>&gt;<i> provided it was protected via a check on the $DURING_INSTALL variable
+</I>&gt;<i> and thus only ran in the installer context.
+</I>
+we could set DURING_INSTALL in mgapplet and warn harder
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+<PRE>Le 22/07/2012 02:12, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>An other way for this step is to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the
+line for the first kernel by adding &quot;rw rd.convertfs&quot; (without the
+quotes) and removing &quot;splash quiet&quot; (optionnal)
+
+After the reboot (and the /usr conversion), you need to rollback your
+changes.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That should be all that is needed :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are extra paranoid, or want to see what is going on, then you can
+</I>&gt;<i> remove the &quot;splash&quot; and &quot;quiet&quot; options from the kernel too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see things in more depth, you can also add
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.break=pre-pivot to the kernel. You will be dumped into a shell with
+</I>&gt;<i> your / mounted as /sysroot. This shell is *before* conversion. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> type &quot;exit&quot; the conversion will be done, and you'll be dumped to another
+</I>&gt;<i> shell afterwards. Typing exit once more here will boot the system as normal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
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+On 22/07/12 11:42, Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've clarified these instructions on the wiki:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to augment them with better info as needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I now have a functioning system, but not without some jiggery-pokery
+:<i>-) The good news, though, is that I can almost certainly point to
+</I>the problem and solution.
+
+Normally I update my systems almost daily, but for reasons not
+relevant here, the netbook hasn't been switched on for about a week,
+so there were a number of updates waiting.
+
+I started with the full update, which failed, part-way through, as
+expected. What I didn't realise, though, was that it had failed
+before updating the kernel (and, as it happens, half way through
+updating KDE which became unusable).
+
+Basically I followed the hints you gave Charles, and finally got
+things running again.
+
+I would suggest, then, that you make &quot;update your kernel and reboot&quot;
+the very first instruction, before updating everything else.
+Undoubtedly there will be others who, for whatever reason, don't have
+the absolute latest kernel, and don't realise that an update is needed.
+
+Anne
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+On 23/07/12 15:24, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 22/07/12 11:42, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've clarified these instructions on the wiki:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Feel free to augment them with better info as needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I now have a functioning system, but not without some
+</I>&gt;<i> jiggery-pokery :-) The good news, though, is that I can almost
+</I>&gt;<i> certainly point to the problem and solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Normally I update my systems almost daily, but for reasons not
+</I>&gt;<i> relevant here, the netbook hasn't been switched on for about a
+</I>&gt;<i> week, so there were a number of updates waiting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I started with the full update, which failed, part-way through, as
+</I>&gt;<i> expected. What I didn't realise, though, was that it had failed
+</I>&gt;<i> before updating the kernel (and, as it happens, half way through
+</I>&gt;<i> updating KDE which became unusable).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Basically I followed the hints you gave Charles, and finally got
+</I>&gt;<i> things running again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would suggest, then, that you make &quot;update your kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot&quot; the very first instruction, before updating everything
+</I>&gt;<i> else. Undoubtedly there will be others who, for whatever reason,
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have the absolute latest kernel, and don't realise that an
+</I>&gt;<i> update is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I forgot to add - I have no non-standard /usr, and I use grub, not lilo.
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>What about a fresh install ?
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+&gt;<i> On 23 July 2012 16:05, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well I do not think doing such a move on an in-use filesystem is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> particularly good idea (especially for the /var/run bit which makes use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of several socket files for IPC (think all of dbus breaking).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So doing such a conversion like this does not seem like a good idea to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me. This is why it is done in the initrd before the switchroot or in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer when the system is mounted under /mnt.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's my opinion on it. One thought: we could put it in a %post script
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provided it was protected via a check on the $DURING_INSTALL variable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and thus only ran in the installer context.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we could set DURING_INSTALL in mgapplet and warn harder
+</I>&gt;<i> not to do anything else while upgrading.
+</I>
+That would mean mgaapplet would have to regenerate initrds etc. at the
+end of the process too as various packages have code that prevents
+initrd generation during install (this was most recently highlighted due
+to a bug with this check in mageia-theme breaking btrfs installs in the
+installer - still need to do an official update for mageia-theme so that
+at least net installs for btrfs+mga2 work).
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 07/21/2012 08:12 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i> What about a fresh install ?
+</I>
+Fresh install should be fine, tho' not tested it yet.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 22 July 2012 19:15, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am having other issues (X/audio/network related). Making Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; totally unstable.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm having issues with X due to intel drivers. Gnome-shell crashes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; frequently with &quot;out of space&quot; errors in some intel thing which smells
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to me like something leaking textures.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should be fixed by the new driver I pushed this morning
+</I>
+I'm using nouveau though.
+
+For me I can pretty easily make the system become problematic. Most
+reliably is by using a video player (usually mplayer, but also in
+totem). For one by skipping ahead in the video. Another is that pausing
+doesn't really work.
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+Even e.g. closing tabs in Firefox sometimes locks up. Eventually firefox
+recovers.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I've clarified these instructions on the wiki:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove#Release_Notes</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Feel free to augment them with better info as needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I now have a functioning system, but not without some jiggery-pokery
+</I>&gt;<i> :-) The good news, though, is that I can almost certainly point to
+</I>&gt;<i> the problem and solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Normally I update my systems almost daily, but for reasons not
+</I>&gt;<i> relevant here, the netbook hasn't been switched on for about a week,
+</I>&gt;<i> so there were a number of updates waiting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I started with the full update, which failed, part-way through, as
+</I>&gt;<i> expected. What I didn't realise, though, was that it had failed
+</I>&gt;<i> before updating the kernel (and, as it happens, half way through
+</I>&gt;<i> updating KDE which became unusable).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Basically I followed the hints you gave Charles, and finally got
+</I>&gt;<i> things running again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would suggest, then, that you make &quot;update your kernel and reboot&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> the very first instruction, before updating everything else.
+</I>&gt;<i> Undoubtedly there will be others who, for whatever reason, don't have
+</I>&gt;<i> the absolute latest kernel, and don't realise that an update is needed.
+</I>
+I have updated the command in the wiki to be:
+urpmi --auto-update --skip '/filesystem|ncurses/'
+(as I have pointed earlier in this thread)
+
+This will install a lot more packages (including kernel), before the
+/usr move.
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 23/07/12 19:31 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:55:31AM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 22 July 2012 19:15, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am having other issues (X/audio/network related). Making Cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> totally unstable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm having issues with X due to intel drivers. Gnome-shell crashes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> frequently with &quot;out of space&quot; errors in some intel thing which smells
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to me like something leaking textures.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should be fixed by the new driver I pushed this morning
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm using nouveau though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me I can pretty easily make the system become problematic. Most
+</I>&gt;<i> reliably is by using a video player (usually mplayer, but also in
+</I>&gt;<i> totem). For one by skipping ahead in the video. Another is that pausing
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't really work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even e.g. closing tabs in Firefox sometimes locks up. Eventually firefox
+</I>&gt;<i> recovers.
+</I>
+Yeah I've still got fmutex locks in gnome-shell (totally frozen UI until
+a kill -9 which quite freqnently results in a respawn with a similarly
+frozen UI) and it does sometimes just crash and restart itself at
+random. Also seen similar problems to those you describe with firefox too.
+
+I'm tempted to blame mesa to some degree, but no real evidence :)
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+
+[...]
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm having issues with X due to intel drivers. Gnome-shell crashes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> frequently with &quot;out of space&quot; errors in some intel thing which smells
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to me like something leaking textures.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should be fixed by the new driver I pushed this morning
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm using nouveau though.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For me I can pretty easily make the system become problematic. Most
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reliably is by using a video player (usually mplayer, but also in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> totem). For one by skipping ahead in the video. Another is that pausing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't really work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Even e.g. closing tabs in Firefox sometimes locks up. Eventually firefox
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recovers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I've still got fmutex locks in gnome-shell (totally frozen UI until
+</I>&gt;<i> a kill -9 which quite freqnently results in a respawn with a similarly
+</I>&gt;<i> frozen UI) and it does sometimes just crash and restart itself at
+</I>&gt;<i> random. Also seen similar problems to those you describe with firefox too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm tempted to blame mesa to some degree, but no real evidence :)
+</I>
+There was indeed a refcount fix
+(c3bc41011f9ffe648b7dd4915c6202b776cd1ab4) in mesa that I did not have in
+my snapshot.
+I am updating it.
+
+--
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+On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 23/07/12 19:31 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:55:31AM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 22 July 2012 19:15, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am having other issues (X/audio/network related). Making Cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> totally unstable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm having issues with X due to intel drivers. Gnome-shell crashes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> frequently with &quot;out of space&quot; errors in some intel thing which smells
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to me like something leaking textures.
+</I>
+In case this thread is used as a reference to graphic-driver related
+problems, I'll throw in mine as well:
+
+Besides a corrupted display (unreadable fonts/glitches on screen) that
+occurs after longer uptime and/or when using lots of memory (that also
+was present in Mageia1 / 2d desktop) as described here:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45092">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45092</A>
+
+I also experience problems playing back video in gnome-shell. The
+video is jerky/choppy/jumpy (the opposite of smooth).
+I.e. when there is a pan in the video (camera moves in a smooth
+motion), the video jumps. Instead of playing back the frames as
+* * * * * * * * *
+it is more like
+**** * * *** * *
+
+As with the previous problem, it gets worse the longer the machine is
+running (I didn't find out what exactly makes it worse). As a
+workaround one can restart gnome-shell (&lt;alt&gt;+&lt;F2&gt;, r, &lt;enter&gt;)
+While the problem is minimal after a fresh reboot or after restarting
+gnome-shell, it still occurs. No such problem in gnome-classic, i.e.
+in the 2d version of the desktop. There playback is always smooth, no
+matter how long the uptime was.
+
+Intel 965GM in Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo Mobile U9200
+
+So I agree that something is fishy.
+
+But as long as I can just restart gnome-shell and get adequate
+(although not as-good-as-with-classic-gnome) playback....
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+ciao
+Christian
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+So I did the switch on my latptop, everything was fine until I reboot...
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+<PRE>Ok. I went through the move, using the wiki instructions:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrMove</A>
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+At reboot, the screen was corrupted in kdm.
+Switching to a vt and urpmi --auto-up and restarting dm fixed it.
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+Everything else seems ok (my setup is quite standard, without any fancy
+stuff).
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+I see the pop-up: The password you typed is invalid in KDE though, but I
+don't know where it comes from.
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+&gt;<i> This is a documentation package, not a library package, so it shouldn't be
+</I>using a mklibname name in the
+&gt;<i> name, right? This causes a package
+</I>&gt;<i> by the following name to appear on the *i586* mirrors:
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64boost-devel-doc
+</I>
+Ping?
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+This is incorrect, is it not? Can we fix this? It's not obvious to me how to
+do it, as renaming it back and trying to obsolete the current name wouldn't even
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+<PRE>Le lundi 23 juillet 2012 22:19:17 David Walser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is a documentation package, not a library package, so it shouldn't be
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+</I>&gt;<i> using a mklibname name in the
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by the following name to appear on the *i586* mirrors:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib64boost-devel-doc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ping?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is incorrect, is it not? Can we fix this? It's not obvious to me how
+</I>&gt;<i> to do it, as renaming it back and trying to obsolete the current name
+</I>&gt;<i> wouldn't even work because of this.
+</I>
+Yes, this is incorrect, to fix this is simple just call the package %name-
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 23/07/12 22:27 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> So I did the switch on my latptop, everything was fine until I reboot...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem is again my encrypted /home.
+</I>
+What happens? Does the system boot OK generally but fail to allow you to
+login? Anything in logs? &quot;systemctl status /home/$USER&quot; tell you
+anything (assuming it's a regular mount, but I guess this is
+unlikely...) Anything else we can use to debug with?
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+&gt;<i> BTW: /var/run and /var/lock were not migrated and I had to do it by
+</I>&gt;<i> hand.
+</I>
+This happens if /var is on a separate partition. Is this the case with
+you? I'll have to think about how to handle that more gracefully.
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Updating an i586 Cauldron VM I am getting this:-
+Preparing...
+#########################################################################################################
+ 1/52: filesystem
+#########################################################################################################
+error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/run: cpio: rename failed
+- Is a directory
+error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.i586: install failed
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+This is at the start of --auto-update after the re-boot.
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+What am I missing?
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+-----------------------------------------
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+Best regards
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+&gt;<i> David Walser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is a documentation package, not a library package, so it shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> using a mklibname name in the
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; name, right? This causes a package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by the following name to appear on the *i586* mirrors:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib64boost-devel-doc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ping?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is incorrect, is it not? Can we fix this? It's not obvious to me how
+</I>&gt;<i> to do it, as renaming it back and trying to obsolete the current name
+</I>&gt;<i> wouldn't even work because of this.
+</I>
+Are you working on upgrading boost?
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+Thomas Spuhler wrote:
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+&gt;<i> rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) is needed by
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What am I missing?
+</I>
+You have not yet successfuly used convertfs.
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+See the thread Colin started Sat
+<A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg17245.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg17245.html</A>
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+ Charles
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+You cannot produce a baby in one month by impregnating nine women
+ -- Murphy's Laws on Sex n&#176;35
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+3.4.6-tmb-server-2.mga3 x86_64
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+&gt;<i> I'm using nouveau though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me I can pretty easily make the system become problematic. Most
+</I>&gt;<i> reliably is by using a video player (usually mplayer, but also in
+</I>&gt;<i> totem). For one by skipping ahead in the video. Another is that pausing
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't really work.
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+&gt;<i> Updating an i586 Cauldron VM I am getting this:-
+</I>&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;<i> #########################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> 1/52: filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> #########################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;<i> error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/run: cpio: rename
+</I>&gt;<i> failed - Is a directory
+</I>&gt;<i> error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.i586: install failed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is at the start of --auto-update after the re-boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Is your /var on a separate partition? I had the same problem with
+/var/lock and /var/run. To solve this i had to rename those directories
+(later deleted them) and i created two symlinks /var/lock -&gt; /run/lock
+and /var/run -&gt; /run - after that filesystem installed w/o problems.
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+<PRE>23.07.2012 22:08, Olivier Blin kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> I have updated the command in the wiki to be:
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi --auto-update --skip '/filesystem|ncurses/'
+</I>&gt;<i> (as I have pointed earlier in this thread)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This will install a lot more packages (including kernel), before the
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr move.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hmm, which initrd is dracut -f rebuilding? Current running one or
+latest? If it's rebuilding current one then i would add kernel into the
+skip list, else users are probably rebuilding wrong initrd and
+conversion won't work if they start with new kernel.
+
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+&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
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+Some links were broken in / (they work only if cwd is /):
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+-lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 bin -&gt; usr/bin
++lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 bin -&gt; /usr/bin
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+-lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 lib -&gt; usr/lib
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++lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 lib -&gt; /usr/lib
++lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Gou 24 08:42 lib64 -&gt; /usr/lib64
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+-lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:30 sbin -&gt; usr/sbin
++lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:42 sbin -&gt; /usr/sbin
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 23/07/12 22:27 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I did the switch on my latptop, everything was fine until I reboot...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The problem is again my encrypted /home.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What happens? Does the system boot OK generally but fail to allow you to
+</I>&gt;<i> login? Anything in logs? &quot;systemctl status /home/$USER&quot; tell you
+</I>&gt;<i> anything (assuming it's a regular mount, but I guess this is
+</I>&gt;<i> unlikely...) Anything else we can use to debug with?
+</I>
+It don't ask the passphrase during boot, systemctl status /home show
+nothing but systemctl status cryptsetup report only &quot;No such file or
+directory&quot;.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; BTW: /var/run and /var/lock were not migrated and I had to do it by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This happens if /var is on a separate partition. Is this the case with
+</I>&gt;<i> you? I'll have to think about how to handle that more gracefully.
+</I>
+It's the case.
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 24/07/12 08:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 23/07/12 22:27 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So I did the switch on my latptop, everything was fine until I reboot...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is again my encrypted /home.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What happens? Does the system boot OK generally but fail to allow you to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> login? Anything in logs? &quot;systemctl status /home/$USER&quot; tell you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anything (assuming it's a regular mount, but I guess this is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unlikely...) Anything else we can use to debug with?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It don't ask the passphrase during boot, systemctl status /home show
+</I>&gt;<i> nothing but systemctl status cryptsetup report only &quot;No such file or
+</I>&gt;<i> directory&quot;.
+</I>
+Do you mean &quot;systemctl status cryptsetup.target&quot;? If so I get the same
+results here:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> spec-helper]$ systemctl status cryptsetup.target
+cryptsetup.target
+ Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
+ Active: inactive (dead)
+
+
+
+This generally happens when a unit refers to a target as a dep but the
+target itself is not defined.
+
+This target itself does seem to be AWOL in the systemd-units package.
+Seems like an unintended (or at least unannounced) change in systemd
+187, so separate from the whole usr move thing, just related to a new
+systemd version.
+
+I'll investigate ASAP.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW: /var/run and /var/lock were not migrated and I had to do it by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hand.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This happens if /var is on a separate partition. Is this the case with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you? I'll have to think about how to handle that more gracefully.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's the case.
+</I>
+
+Cool. Will have to work that one out then :s
+
+Col
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+46 packages are reported as being orphans after the move, but many of
+those are libraries and video drivers, of which the intel one is, I
+think, the one I use. OTOH, /usr/sbin/remove-unused-packages finds
+only a wacom driver to be removed.
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Do you mean &quot;systemctl status cryptsetup.target&quot;? If so I get the same
+</I>&gt;<i> results here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> spec-helper]$ systemctl status cryptsetup.target
+</I>&gt;<i> cryptsetup.target
+</I>&gt;<i> Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
+</I>&gt;<i> Active: inactive (dead)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Exactly.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This generally happens when a unit refers to a target as a dep but the
+</I>&gt;<i> target itself is not defined.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This target itself does seem to be AWOL in the systemd-units package.
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems like an unintended (or at least unannounced) change in systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> 187, so separate from the whole usr move thing, just related to a new
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll investigate ASAP.
+</I>
+Thanks, at time I workaround with &quot;noauto&quot; in my fstab and I mount it
+manually after boot.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; BTW: /var/run and /var/lock were not migrated and I had to do it by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; hand.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This happens if /var is on a separate partition. Is this the case with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; you? I'll have to think about how to handle that more gracefully.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's the case.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool. Will have to work that one out then :s
+</I>
+Can't the switch be done online a perl/python/c programme, eg once the
+programme is loaded everything can be done. Or by providing static
+binaries of mv/rm/ln ?
+
+My 2 cents.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>
+--
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+CNRS - LATMOS
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+<PRE>I have some minor issues with systemd so I report it in case some
+improvment could be done:
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+1) The timeout is very long when the system failed to ask the passphrase
+for encrypted partition, os it is very long to reach any console (this
+happend only when there is a problem)
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+2) When everything work fine, the timeout occur if the passphrase for
+encrypted partition is not enter early enough: I power up my laptop, do
+something else, come back and it report the boot has failed, surprising!
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+3) the boot process hang/stop/wait if my wireless card is down (using
+the hardware switch on the side of my laptop). This step need just one
+second when the card is on, even it does not connect to any network.
+
+Regards.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 24/07/12 09:44 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you mean &quot;systemctl status cryptsetup.target&quot;? If so I get the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> results here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> spec-helper]$ systemctl status cryptsetup.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cryptsetup.target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Active: inactive (dead)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This generally happens when a unit refers to a target as a dep but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> target itself is not defined.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This target itself does seem to be AWOL in the systemd-units package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seems like an unintended (or at least unannounced) change in systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 187, so separate from the whole usr move thing, just related to a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll investigate ASAP.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, at time I workaround with &quot;noauto&quot; in my fstab and I mount it
+</I>&gt;<i> manually after boot.
+</I>
+OK, so it seems systemd-187 bumped the needed libcrypt version and
+didn't say in the NEWS file.
+
+I've now update cryptsetup to 1.5.0 and will rebuild systemd shortly.
+
+Too much in the way of wildcard includes are used in the systemd
+filelist so this wasn't easily spotted :s When I get a bit of time I'll
+make the filelist a bit more explicit and thus this kind of thing should
+be easier to catch in the future.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW: /var/run and /var/lock were not migrated and I had to do it by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hand.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This happens if /var is on a separate partition. Is this the case with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you? I'll have to think about how to handle that more gracefully.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's the case.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cool. Will have to work that one out then :s
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't the switch be done online a perl/python/c programme, eg once the
+</I>&gt;<i> programme is loaded everything can be done. Or by providing static
+</I>&gt;<i> binaries of mv/rm/ln ?
+</I>
+Switching /var/lock would probably be OK, but /var/run typically
+contains sockets for IPC and we cannot simply move these around and
+across filesystems without various breakages in the live system.
+
+Switching /bin -&gt; /usr/bin on a live system might be possible (even
+without static versions as both paths should be in the $PATH and both
+library locations should be in the ldconfig path.
+
+Besides the move works by making a (hardlinked) copy of /usr/bin first,
+then copies /bin (again with hardlinks if on the same FS) to this new
+folder and only at the end does it rm /bin and mv the the path into the
+right place so I'm that with a little care it could all work.
+
+What I'm less confident about is what would happen with file locking,
+and some security things when doing this &quot;live&quot;. It just seems
+altogether more prudent to do it from a &quot;safe&quot; environment, but I'd be
+happy to hear people's opinions on this one.
+
+Probably best for a new discussion thread tho'.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 24/07/12 07:21, Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> 24.07.2012 02:32, Barry Jackson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Updating an i586 Cauldron VM I am getting this:-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #########################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1/52: filesystem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #########################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/run: cpio: rename
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> failed - Is a directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.i586: install failed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is at the start of --auto-update after the re-boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is your /var on a separate partition? I had the same problem with
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/lock and /var/run. To solve this i had to rename those directories
+</I>&gt;<i> (later deleted them) and i created two symlinks /var/lock -&gt; /run/lock
+</I>&gt;<i> and /var/run -&gt; /run - after that filesystem installed w/o problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No, this is a single partition install in virtualbox that I use for
+testing. I will look at those files later though - thanks.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 24/07/12 10:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I have some minor issues with systemd so I report it in case some
+</I>&gt;<i> improvment could be done:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) The timeout is very long when the system failed to ask the passphrase
+</I>&gt;<i> for encrypted partition, os it is very long to reach any console (this
+</I>&gt;<i> happend only when there is a problem)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) When everything work fine, the timeout occur if the passphrase for
+</I>&gt;<i> encrypted partition is not enter early enough: I power up my laptop, do
+</I>&gt;<i> something else, come back and it report the boot has failed, surprising!
+</I>
+So it's both too long and too short :)
+
+I'm not sure how to deal with this, but I would suggest that we need to
+do something a bit more creative to deal with your particular use case.
+
+For yourself, it's not a &quot;critical&quot; filesystem - e.g. it's not /usr or
+similar, but /home.
+
+The full boot (with perhaps a slight lack of customisation (e.g. last
+session used in the DM) can happen happily without your /home.
+
+So I think it's really something that has to be marked as nofail or
+noauto in the fstab or as some kind of automount, which would then allow
+the DM to query you for your encrypted password rather than plymouth.
+This would seem like a more sensible structure overall.
+
+&gt;<i> 3) the boot process hang/stop/wait if my wireless card is down (using
+</I>&gt;<i> the hardware switch on the side of my laptop). This step need just one
+</I>&gt;<i> second when the card is on, even it does not connect to any network.
+</I>
+If you have any NFS (or other network mounts) mounts that are NOT marked
+with nofail, then we consider them to be &quot;critical&quot; filesystems. If
+these filesystems are NOT needed for boot, then just mark them as
+&quot;nofail&quot; and they will still be mounted but your DM/logins will not be
+delayed while waiting for the network.
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+HTHs.
+
+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 24/07/12 09:42 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 46 packages are reported as being orphans after the move, but many of
+</I>&gt;<i> those are libraries and video drivers, of which the intel one is, I
+</I>&gt;<i> think, the one I use. OTOH, /usr/sbin/remove-unused-packages finds
+</I>&gt;<i> only a wacom driver to be removed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Advice?
+</I>
+No idea. The move shouldn't have affected this list at all.
+
+/me doesn't use this feature anyway. I always use &quot;urpmq
+--not-available&quot; to remove old packages as I find the built in orphan
+tracking to not really be all that useful for me.
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+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Sander Lepik at 24/07/12 07:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 23.07.2012 22:08, Olivier Blin kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have updated the command in the wiki to be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi --auto-update --skip '/filesystem|ncurses/'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (as I have pointed earlier in this thread)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This will install a lot more packages (including kernel), before the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr move.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, which initrd is dracut -f rebuilding? Current running one or
+</I>&gt;<i> latest? If it's rebuilding current one then i would add kernel into the
+</I>&gt;<i> skip list, else users are probably rebuilding wrong initrd and
+</I>&gt;<i> conversion won't work if they start with new kernel.
+</I>
+It rebuilds the current one.
+
+The only issue with adding in kernel to the list is that it assumes the
+user has not done an earlier update, updated their kernel and not yet
+rebooted. In this case, it may make sense to include the kernel in the
+updates list and suggest they do a reboot first, then generate initrd
+etc. etc.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Barry Jackson at 24/07/12 10:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 24/07/12 07:21, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 24.07.2012 02:32, Barry Jackson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Updating an i586 Cauldron VM I am getting this:-
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Preparing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #########################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1/52: filesystem
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #########################################################################################################
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: unpacking of archive failed on file /var/run: cpio: rename
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> failed - Is a directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: filesystem-2.1.9-18.mga3.i586: install failed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is at the start of --auto-update after the re-boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is your /var on a separate partition? I had the same problem with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/lock and /var/run. To solve this i had to rename those directories
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (later deleted them) and i created two symlinks /var/lock -&gt; /run/lock
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and /var/run -&gt; /run - after that filesystem installed w/o problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, this is a single partition install in virtualbox that I use for
+</I>&gt;<i> testing. I will look at those files later though - thanks.
+</I>
+Did this happen after you ran the conversion process (i.e regenerate
+initrd with the convertfs module etc. etc.) or before?
+
+If before then it's quite worrying that it even let you try and install
+the package. If after, then I'm confused as to why they were not
+converted OK as part of that process (in this case do you have
+/var/run.runmove~ and /var/lock.lockmove~ files?)
+
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+Cheers
+
+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 24/07/12 07:45 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 22 July 2012 02:12, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 6. Reboot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 7. At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: &quot;rw
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rd.convertfs&quot; (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some links were broken in / (they work only if cwd is /):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 bin -&gt; usr/bin
+</I>&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 bin -&gt; /usr/bin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 lib -&gt; usr/lib
+</I>&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:30 lib64 -&gt; usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 lib -&gt; /usr/lib
+</I>&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Gou 24 08:42 lib64 -&gt; /usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:30 sbin -&gt; usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:42 sbin -&gt; /usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note the missing leading &quot;/&quot;...
+</I>
+Yup this is intentional. There is no need to a leading /. IMO this is
+just a bash bug:
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+e.g.
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+mkdir -p foo/usr/bin
+ln -snf usr/bin foo/bin
+ls -l foo/
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+The above is no different and works fine.
+
+Relative symlinks are generally preferred for chroot/mounting manually
+purposes.
+
+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 24/07/12 10:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have some minor issues with systemd so I report it in case some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; improvment could be done:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) The timeout is very long when the system failed to ask the passphrase
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for encrypted partition, os it is very long to reach any console (this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; happend only when there is a problem)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) When everything work fine, the timeout occur if the passphrase for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; encrypted partition is not enter early enough: I power up my laptop, do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; something else, come back and it report the boot has failed, surprising!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it's both too long and too short :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure how to deal with this, but I would suggest that we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> do something a bit more creative to deal with your particular use case.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For yourself, it's not a &quot;critical&quot; filesystem - e.g. it's not /usr or
+</I>&gt;<i> similar, but /home.
+</I>
+No you misunderstood, if the system succeed to launch
+'/usr/bin/ask-the-passphrase' or whatever its name is, it must wait an
+answer for ever and not continue booting and finally claim &quot;hey
+surprising, I failed to boot w/o the passphrase&quot;.
+The firest time it happend I really thought my system was broken.
+
+However, if it cannot launch '/usr/bin/ask-the-passphrase' it is sure
+booting will failed as it cannot get the passphrase, no need to wait an
+impossible user input.
+Again, the case I just talk about happend only in case of bug and must
+not happend on stable distro.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; 3) the boot process hang/stop/wait if my wireless card is down (using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the hardware switch on the side of my laptop). This step need just one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; second when the card is on, even it does not connect to any network.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have any NFS (or other network mounts) mounts that are NOT marked
+</I>&gt;<i> with nofail, then we consider them to be &quot;critical&quot; filesystems. If
+</I>&gt;<i> these filesystems are NOT needed for boot, then just mark them as
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;nofail&quot; and they will still be mounted but your DM/logins will not be
+</I>&gt;<i> delayed while waiting for the network.
+</I>
+
+I don't have nfs in my fstab but maybe this is triggered by another
+service.
+But I don't see the point of waiting the card to be on, especially when
+the card is on it don't connect to any network and don't wait this
+happend.
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+<PRE>On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Can't the switch be done online a perl/python/c programme, eg once the
+</I>&gt;<i> programme is loaded everything can be done. Or by providing static
+</I>&gt;<i> binaries of mv/rm/ln ?
+</I>
+There are of course 2 switches, /{lib,bin,bin,lib64} and /var/{run,lock} .
+AFAIK the latter can just be done &quot;online&quot; as long as all sockets can be
+moved. I'm not sure about the details of moving these special files,
+though.
+
+Moving the lib and bin dirs can also be done in-place but /lib/ld.so will
+be unavailable for at most a few milliseconds so no new programs can be
+started until the symlink is created (unless you know it's broken and
+invoke the dynamic loader in /usr/lib(64) directly). Moving libc also
+breaks everything until you run ldconfig, and shell scripts can't start
+while /bin/sh is not there.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 24/07/12 10:47 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 24/07/12 10:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have some minor issues with systemd so I report it in case some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> improvment could be done:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) The timeout is very long when the system failed to ask the passphrase
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for encrypted partition, os it is very long to reach any console (this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happend only when there is a problem)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) When everything work fine, the timeout occur if the passphrase for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> encrypted partition is not enter early enough: I power up my laptop, do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something else, come back and it report the boot has failed, surprising!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it's both too long and too short :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure how to deal with this, but I would suggest that we need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do something a bit more creative to deal with your particular use case.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For yourself, it's not a &quot;critical&quot; filesystem - e.g. it's not /usr or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> similar, but /home.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No you misunderstood, if the system succeed to launch
+</I>&gt;<i> '/usr/bin/ask-the-passphrase' or whatever its name is, it must wait an
+</I>&gt;<i> answer for ever and not continue booting and finally claim &quot;hey
+</I>&gt;<i> surprising, I failed to boot w/o the passphrase&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> The firest time it happend I really thought my system was broken.
+</I>
+So what if you cannot enter your password and want to rescue the system?
+Should it still wait forever until you enter your passphrase? Or would
+you have to deliberately enter your passphrase wrong X number of times
+to get the the rescue mode?
+
+&gt;<i> However, if it cannot launch '/usr/bin/ask-the-passphrase' it is sure
+</I>&gt;<i> booting will failed as it cannot get the passphrase, no need to wait an
+</I>&gt;<i> impossible user input.
+</I>&gt;<i> Again, the case I just talk about happend only in case of bug and must
+</I>&gt;<i> not happend on stable distro.
+</I>
+In this particular case it was not that it could not run the password
+prompt, simply that it didn't know how to mount something completely
+alien to it.
+
+You have to remember that all this is happening completely
+asynchronously these days. It's not like systemd is specifically poking
+things and failing. It's waiting for the system to do it itself, hence
+the timeouts.
+
+That's not to say this can't be solved, it's just that we're treating
+one mount much like any other - and some mounts take a loooooong time to
+happen (e.g. just try recent btrfs stuff with all the krud it does when
+mounting).
+
+But the &quot;waiting-for-password&quot; case and the &quot;there is no subsystem to
+handle even asking for the password&quot; case are essentially treated the
+same way.
+
+This is likely a discussion to take to the upstream mailing list.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3) the boot process hang/stop/wait if my wireless card is down (using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the hardware switch on the side of my laptop). This step need just one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> second when the card is on, even it does not connect to any network.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you have any NFS (or other network mounts) mounts that are NOT marked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with nofail, then we consider them to be &quot;critical&quot; filesystems. If
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> these filesystems are NOT needed for boot, then just mark them as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;nofail&quot; and they will still be mounted but your DM/logins will not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> delayed while waiting for the network.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have nfs in my fstab but maybe this is triggered by another
+</I>&gt;<i> service.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I don't see the point of waiting the card to be on, especially when
+</I>&gt;<i> the card is on it don't connect to any network and don't wait this
+</I>&gt;<i> happend.
+</I>
+Hmm in that case it sounds like a different issue than the deliberate
+stuff that waits for the network to be ready.
+
+Do you know which bit of the system is waiting for this? Is it
+network-up.service or something else? (I doubt it can be network-up as
+this shouldn't delay logins unless the afore mentioned NFS mounts are
+present)
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Christiaan Welvaart at 24/07/12 10:51 did gyre and
+gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can't the switch be done online a perl/python/c programme, eg once the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> programme is loaded everything can be done. Or by providing static
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> binaries of mv/rm/ln ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are of course 2 switches, /{lib,bin,bin,lib64} and /var/{run,lock}
+</I>&gt;<i> . AFAIK the latter can just be done &quot;online&quot; as long as all sockets can
+</I>&gt;<i> be moved. I'm not sure about the details of moving these special files,
+</I>&gt;<i> though.
+</I>
+It's generally not a good idea for system stability to move /var/run in
+place to be honest. Lots of things use e.g. dbus for IPC and these will
+likely just break badly.
+
+Ultimately it's not the end of the world if you do the flip and do a
+reboot, but all the same it's not ideal.
+
+Also when changing them to symlinks it's important to ensure that
+mandriva-clean-var-run-lock.service is disabled otherwise it will delete
+the links again. I just did an &quot;rm
+/lib/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants/mandriva-clean-var-run-lock.service&quot;
+in the conversion script.
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 03/05/12 17:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 03/05/12 15:37 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should probably apply the below libvdpau workaround for Adobe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Flash issues, for both mga2 and mga1, WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea. I tend to trust Stephen's work generally, even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if I don't know much about the VDPAU issues specifically.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't think these were ever pushed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just tested this patch on a machine that is half built here. It worked
+</I>&gt;<i> OK provided you also include the only commit from git master since 0.4.1
+</I>&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seemed to work OK for me, but haven't managed to test too much yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Hi Colin,
+
+Do you happen to have an SRPM or RPM for mageia2 I could test? I
+have a system
+that suffers from the problem this patch fixes.
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+Regards
+Glen Ogilvie
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Some links were broken in / (they work only if cwd is /):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 bin -&gt; usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 bin -&gt; /usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 lib -&gt; usr/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:30 lib64 -&gt; usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 lib -&gt; /usr/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Gou 24 08:42 lib64 -&gt; /usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:30 sbin -&gt; usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:42 sbin -&gt; /usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note the missing leading &quot;/&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup this is intentional. There is no need to a leading /. IMO this is
+</I>&gt;<i> just a bash bug:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mkdir -p foo/usr/bin
+</I>&gt;<i> ln -snf usr/bin foo/bin
+</I>&gt;<i> ls -l foo/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The above is no different and works fine.
+</I>
+yes that's a ls bug that display them as broken
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I'm tempted to blame mesa to some degree, but no real evidence :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There was indeed a refcount fix
+</I>&gt;<i> (c3bc41011f9ffe648b7dd4915c6202b776cd1ab4) in mesa that I did not have in
+</I>&gt;<i> my snapshot.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am updating it.
+</I>
+Then you should have explained in mesa changelog why you updated the snapshot...
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+do you have
+&gt;<i> /var/run.runmove~ and /var/lock.lockmove~ files?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Col,
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+Yes I have both of those. (they are dirs not files)
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 24/07/12 10:47 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;<i> &gt; No you misunderstood, if the system succeed to launch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; '/usr/bin/ask-the-passphrase' or whatever its name is, it must wait an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; answer for ever and not continue booting and finally claim &quot;hey
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; surprising, I failed to boot w/o the passphrase&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The firest time it happend I really thought my system was broken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So what if you cannot enter your password and want to rescue the system?
+</I>&gt;<i> Should it still wait forever until you enter your passphrase? Or would
+</I>&gt;<i> you have to deliberately enter your passphrase wrong X number of times
+</I>&gt;<i> to get the the rescue mode?
+</I>
+Why would I be unable to enter my password ? Because I am too drunk ?
+Then better to not be able to start the system. Because I forgot it ?
+Well then I can reinstall, my data are lost.
+
+Even in rescue mode, I must be able to enter my passphrase, it's a
+unrelated issue.
+
+I may point there is a failsafe menu in grub.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; I don't have nfs in my fstab but maybe this is triggered by another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; service.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But I don't see the point of waiting the card to be on, especially when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the card is on it don't connect to any network and don't wait this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; happend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm in that case it sounds like a different issue than the deliberate
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff that waits for the network to be ready.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you know which bit of the system is waiting for this? Is it
+</I>&gt;<i> network-up.service or something else? (I doubt it can be network-up as
+</I>&gt;<i> this shouldn't delay logins unless the afore mentioned NFS mounts are
+</I>&gt;<i> present)
+</I>
+I will investigate, it seems this moring it fetched an ip, but it is not
+always the case and the question is what happend when there is no
+wireless network reachable.
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+&gt;<i> On 24/07/12 10:25, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> do you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /var/run.runmove~ and /var/lock.lockmove~ files?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Col,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes I have both of those. (they are dirs not files)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 24/07/12 11:18 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 24/07/12 10:47 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No you misunderstood, if the system succeed to launch
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> '/usr/bin/ask-the-passphrase' or whatever its name is, it must wait an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> answer for ever and not continue booting and finally claim &quot;hey
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> surprising, I failed to boot w/o the passphrase&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The firest time it happend I really thought my system was broken.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So what if you cannot enter your password and want to rescue the system?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should it still wait forever until you enter your passphrase? Or would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you have to deliberately enter your passphrase wrong X number of times
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to get the the rescue mode?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why would I be unable to enter my password ? Because I am too drunk ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Then better to not be able to start the system. Because I forgot it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Well then I can reinstall, my data are lost.
+</I>
+:<i>p
+</I>
+Well perhaps, or maybe something else has messed up e.g. keymaps or
+similar and it's now impossible (or bloody hard) to enter the passphrase
+correctly.
+
+&gt;<i> Even in rescue mode, I must be able to enter my passphrase, it's a
+</I>&gt;<i> unrelated issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I may point there is a failsafe menu in grub.
+</I>
+Yes, but shouldn't there be a different way to deal with it? e.g. if I
+have /home encrypted, but I want to use rescue mode to fix a broken
+keymap I don't want to be presented with a password dialog which I then
+specifically have dismiss by entering something wrong three times (or
+whatever). That's not good UI.
+
+I'm just suggesting that this process needs a bit of thought to it and
+was trying to kick start that thought process.
+
+I still think this is a discussion best had upstream.
+
+Col
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 24/07/12 10:20, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 24/07/12 09:42 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 46 packages are reported as being orphans after the move, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> many of those are libraries and video drivers, of which the intel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one is, I think, the one I use. OTOH,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/remove-unused-packages finds only a wacom driver to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Advice?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No idea. The move shouldn't have affected this list at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /me doesn't use this feature anyway. I always use &quot;urpmq
+</I>&gt;<i> --not-available&quot; to remove old packages as I find the built in
+</I>&gt;<i> orphan tracking to not really be all that useful for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That gives an even longer list, including harddrake and drakxtools. I
+doubt if leaving them is going to cause any problems, so I'm going to
+ignore them.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 24/07/12 14:42 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 24/07/12 10:20, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 24/07/12 09:42 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 46 packages are reported as being orphans after the move, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> many of those are libraries and video drivers, of which the intel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> one is, I think, the one I use. OTOH,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/remove-unused-packages finds only a wacom driver to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> removed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Advice?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No idea. The move shouldn't have affected this list at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /me doesn't use this feature anyway. I always use &quot;urpmq
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --not-available&quot; to remove old packages as I find the built in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> orphan tracking to not really be all that useful for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That gives an even longer list, including harddrake and drakxtools. I
+</I>&gt;<i> doubt if leaving them is going to cause any problems, so I'm going to
+</I>&gt;<i> ignore them.
+</I>
+--not-available should never show e.g. drakxtools or similar unless your
+system is not fully up-to-date.
+
+It basically compares your installed versions with the latest version
+available via your media.
+
+Typically it would list old libraries we no longer ship (e.g. libudev0
+for example) and which you can now safely remove.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>$ rpm -E '%{_unitdir}'
+/lib/systemd/system
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+This should show:
+/usr/lib/systemd/system
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+I see that it is defined in two places:
+1. /etc/rpm/macros.d/20build.macros: %_unitdir /lib/systemd/system
+2. /usr/lib/rpm/macros.systemd: %_unitdir /usr/lib/systemd/system
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+The latter obviously provides the right setting. But I guess due to
+ordering and so on it picks up the setting from 20build.macros.
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+This is preventing me to package NetworkManager properly (I prefer
+relying on %{_unitdir} to give me the location, so the spec still works
+on Mageia 2).
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+Could someone fix this?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 24/07/12 15:11 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> $ rpm -E '%{_unitdir}'
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This should show:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see that it is defined in two places:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. /etc/rpm/macros.d/20build.macros: %_unitdir /lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. /usr/lib/rpm/macros.systemd: %_unitdir /usr/lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The latter obviously provides the right setting. But I guess due to
+</I>&gt;<i> ordering and so on it picks up the setting from 20build.macros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is preventing me to package NetworkManager properly (I prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> relying on %{_unitdir} to give me the location, so the spec still works
+</I>&gt;<i> on Mageia 2).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could someone fix this?
+</I>
+Yeah this was on my to-fix list.
+
+As far as I'm aware the file in /usr/lib/rpm/macros.systemd will not be
+looked at at all anyway as it's not in any kind of magical .d folder.
+
+I would like to see the following changes:
+
+1) We define a /usr/lib/rpm/macros.d/ folder.
+2) Any packages shipping file in the /etc/ folder should change and use
+/usr/lib instead (/etc should be for admin overrides, NOT for general
+packaging).
+3) We include the systemd macos in the /usr/lib/rpm/macos.d/ folder.
+4) Any files shipping systemd units require systemd-devel to ensure they
+have the macro.
+
+
+While steps 1-3 are probably OK (just need work) I'm not sure if
+requiring systemd-devel is overkill when all they need is a small part
+of it. I could potentially create a systemd-unit-devel package which
+only contained the neccesary stuff which would be lighter on the
+requirements front but I'm also against too much fragmentation here, so
+I'd be tempted to just say &quot;require systemd-devel&quot; and sod the
+not-strictly-necessary stuff it might end up pulling in.
+
+Thoughts?
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 24/07/12 15:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 24/07/12 15:11 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -E '%{_unitdir}'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This should show:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see that it is defined in two places:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. /etc/rpm/macros.d/20build.macros: %_unitdir /lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. /usr/lib/rpm/macros.systemd: %_unitdir /usr/lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The latter obviously provides the right setting. But I guess due to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ordering and so on it picks up the setting from 20build.macros.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is preventing me to package NetworkManager properly (I prefer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relying on %{_unitdir} to give me the location, so the spec still works
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on Mageia 2).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could someone fix this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah this was on my to-fix list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as I'm aware the file in /usr/lib/rpm/macros.systemd will not be
+</I>&gt;<i> looked at at all anyway as it's not in any kind of magical .d folder.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to see the following changes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) We define a /usr/lib/rpm/macros.d/ folder.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Any packages shipping file in the /etc/ folder should change and use
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib instead (/etc should be for admin overrides, NOT for general
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) We include the systemd macos in the /usr/lib/rpm/macos.d/ folder.
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) Any files shipping systemd units require systemd-devel to ensure they
+</I>&gt;<i> have the macro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While steps 1-3 are probably OK (just need work) I'm not sure if
+</I>&gt;<i> requiring systemd-devel is overkill when all they need is a small part
+</I>&gt;<i> of it. I could potentially create a systemd-unit-devel package which
+</I>&gt;<i> only contained the neccesary stuff which would be lighter on the
+</I>&gt;<i> requirements front but I'm also against too much fragmentation here, so
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd be tempted to just say &quot;require systemd-devel&quot; and sod the
+</I>&gt;<i> not-strictly-necessary stuff it might end up pulling in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>
+NB in the short term, I've just updated the macro.
+
+Col
+
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 24/07/12 15:11 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ rpm -E '%{_unitdir}'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This should show:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I see that it is defined in two places:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. /etc/rpm/macros.d/20build.macros: %_unitdir /lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. /usr/lib/rpm/macros.systemd: %_unitdir /usr/lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The latter obviously provides the right setting. But I guess due to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ordering and so on it picks up the setting from 20build.macros.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is preventing me to package NetworkManager properly (I prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relying on %{_unitdir} to give me the location, so the spec still works
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on Mageia 2).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Could someone fix this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah this was on my to-fix list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as I'm aware the file in /usr/lib/rpm/macros.systemd will not be
+</I>&gt;<i> looked at at all anyway as it's not in any kind of magical .d folder.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to see the following changes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) We define a /usr/lib/rpm/macros.d/ folder.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Any packages shipping file in the /etc/ folder should change and use
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib instead (/etc should be for admin overrides, NOT for general
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) We include the systemd macos in the /usr/lib/rpm/macos.d/ folder.
+</I>
+This looks like a good idea.
+
+&gt;<i> 4) Any files shipping systemd units require systemd-devel to ensure they
+</I>&gt;<i> have the macro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While steps 1-3 are probably OK (just need work) I'm not sure if
+</I>&gt;<i> requiring systemd-devel is overkill when all they need is a small part
+</I>&gt;<i> of it. I could potentially create a systemd-unit-devel package which
+</I>&gt;<i> only contained the neccesary stuff which would be lighter on the
+</I>&gt;<i> requirements front but I'm also against too much fragmentation here, so
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd be tempted to just say &quot;require systemd-devel&quot; and sod the
+</I>&gt;<i> not-strictly-necessary stuff it might end up pulling in.
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and nicolas vigier at 24/07/12 15:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 24/07/12 15:11 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -E '%{_unitdir}'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This should show:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I see that it is defined in two places:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. /etc/rpm/macros.d/20build.macros: %_unitdir /lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. /usr/lib/rpm/macros.systemd: %_unitdir /usr/lib/systemd/system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The latter obviously provides the right setting. But I guess due to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ordering and so on it picks up the setting from 20build.macros.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is preventing me to package NetworkManager properly (I prefer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relying on %{_unitdir} to give me the location, so the spec still works
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on Mageia 2).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Could someone fix this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah this was on my to-fix list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I'm aware the file in /usr/lib/rpm/macros.systemd will not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> looked at at all anyway as it's not in any kind of magical .d folder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to see the following changes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) We define a /usr/lib/rpm/macros.d/ folder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) Any packages shipping file in the /etc/ folder should change and use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib instead (/etc should be for admin overrides, NOT for general
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packaging).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3) We include the systemd macos in the /usr/lib/rpm/macos.d/ folder.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This looks like a good idea.
+</I>
+Cool.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 4) Any files shipping systemd units require systemd-devel to ensure they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have the macro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While steps 1-3 are probably OK (just need work) I'm not sure if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> requiring systemd-devel is overkill when all they need is a small part
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of it. I could potentially create a systemd-unit-devel package which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only contained the neccesary stuff which would be lighter on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> requirements front but I'm also against too much fragmentation here, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd be tempted to just say &quot;require systemd-devel&quot; and sod the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not-strictly-necessary stuff it might end up pulling in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you talking about buildrequires ?
+</I>
+Yeah, sorry, this was all on the BuildRequires front. Like I said, I'm
+fairly tempted to just make such packages BuildRequire systemd-devel and
+forget about it rather than spend time splitting things up just to save
+a few seconds on the build time.
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+On 24/07/12 15:09, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 24/07/12 14:42 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 24/07/12 10:20, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 24/07/12 09:42 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 46 packages are reported as being orphans after the move, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> many of those are libraries and video drivers, of which the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> intel one is, I think, the one I use. OTOH,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/remove-unused-packages finds only a wacom driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to be removed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Advice?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No idea. The move shouldn't have affected this list at all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /me doesn't use this feature anyway. I always use &quot;urpmq
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --not-available&quot; to remove old packages as I find the built in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> orphan tracking to not really be all that useful for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That gives an even longer list, including harddrake and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakxtools. I doubt if leaving them is going to cause any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems, so I'm going to ignore them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --not-available should never show e.g. drakxtools or similar
+</I>&gt;<i> unless your system is not fully up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It basically compares your installed versions with the latest
+</I>&gt;<i> version available via your media.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Typically it would list old libraries we no longer ship (e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> libudev0 for example) and which you can now safely remove.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I hadn't done today's update at that point. I have now, and the drak*
+packages are no longer listed. I confess I haven't been diligent in
+cleaning out orphans in the past, so they could have been there some
+time. Most of the listed packages seem to be libboost_* - are these
+old ones? If there's any doubt I'll just leave things.
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+&gt;<i> On 24 July 2012 11:28, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some links were broken in / (they work only if cwd is /):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 bin -&gt; usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 bin -&gt; /usr/bin
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 lib -&gt; usr/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:30 lib64 -&gt; usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 lib -&gt; /usr/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Gou 24 08:42 lib64 -&gt; /usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:30 sbin -&gt; usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:42 sbin -&gt; /usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note the missing leading &quot;/&quot;...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup this is intentional. There is no need to a leading /. IMO this is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just a bash bug:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mkdir -p foo/usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ln -snf usr/bin foo/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ls -l foo/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The above is no different and works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes that's a ls bug that display them as broken
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 24/07/12 17:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 24/07/12 15:09, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 24/07/12 14:42 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 24/07/12 10:20, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Wilson at 24/07/12 09:42 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 46 packages are reported as being orphans after the move, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> many of those are libraries and video drivers, of which the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> intel one is, I think, the one I use. OTOH,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/sbin/remove-unused-packages finds only a wacom driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to be removed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Advice?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No idea. The move shouldn't have affected this list at all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /me doesn't use this feature anyway. I always use &quot;urpmq
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --not-available&quot; to remove old packages as I find the built in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> orphan tracking to not really be all that useful for me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That gives an even longer list, including harddrake and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drakxtools. I doubt if leaving them is going to cause any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problems, so I'm going to ignore them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --not-available should never show e.g. drakxtools or similar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unless your system is not fully up-to-date.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It basically compares your installed versions with the latest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version available via your media.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Typically it would list old libraries we no longer ship (e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libudev0 for example) and which you can now safely remove.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hadn't done today's update at that point. I have now, and the drak*
+</I>&gt;<i> packages are no longer listed. I confess I haven't been diligent in
+</I>&gt;<i> cleaning out orphans in the past, so they could have been there some
+</I>&gt;<i> time. Most of the listed packages seem to be libboost_* - are these
+</I>&gt;<i> old ones? If there's any doubt I'll just leave things.
+</I>
+Yeah there will typically be lots of library packages that are no longer
+needed. The boost ones show up as they have lots of sub-packages.
+
+I don't do it that often myself either, so there does tend to be an
+accumulation over time on my system too :)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 24/07/12 17:30 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 24 July 2012 11:28, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some links were broken in / (they work only if cwd is /):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 bin -&gt; usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 bin -&gt; /usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 lib -&gt; usr/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:30 lib64 -&gt; usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 lib -&gt; /usr/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Gou 24 08:42 lib64 -&gt; /usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:30 sbin -&gt; usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:42 sbin -&gt; /usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note the missing leading &quot;/&quot;...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yup this is intentional. There is no need to a leading /. IMO this is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just a bash bug:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mkdir -p foo/usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ln -snf usr/bin foo/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ls -l foo/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The above is no different and works fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yes that's a ls bug that display them as broken
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe this one?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/commit/?id=6124a3842dfa8484b52e067a8ab8105c3875a4f7">http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/commit/?id=6124a3842dfa8484b52e067a8ab8105c3875a4f7</A>
+</I>
+Certainly sounds like it!
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+&gt;<i> Are you working on upgrading boost?
+</I>
+No, I just recently built a security update for boost, which is why
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Glen Ogilvie at 24/07/12 11:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 03/05/12 17:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 03/05/12 15:37 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should probably apply the below libvdpau workaround for Adobe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Flash issues, for both mga2 and mga1, WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea. I tend to trust Stephen's work generally, even
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if I don't know much about the VDPAU issues specifically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don't think these were ever pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just tested this patch on a machine that is half built here. It worked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK provided you also include the only commit from git master since 0.4.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seemed to work OK for me, but haven't managed to test too much yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you happen to have an SRPM or RPM for mageia2 I could test? I
+</I>&gt;<i> have a system
+</I>&gt;<i> that suffers from the problem this patch fixes.
+</I>
+You can try the srpm from here:
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/libvdpau-0.4.1-3.1.csg3.src.rpm">http://colin.guthr.ie/libvdpau-0.4.1-3.1.csg3.src.rpm</A>
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+There may very well be newer updates and releases now, I've not checked.
+
+All I did was add the only patch from git master:
+<A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/</A>
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+and then apply the other patch on top.
+
+They are both in the srpm.
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> Yes, this is incorrect, to fix this is simple just call the package %name-
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+From: David Walser
+Sent: 07/24/12 06:58 PM
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
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+ Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at ...</A>&gt; writes: &gt; Are you working on upgrading boost? No, I just recently built a security update for boost, which is why I noticed this.
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+ Boost is mine, so I will update and fix the noarch package.
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+Sent: 07/13/12 08:41 AM
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+ Am 12.07.2012 23:08, schrieb <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>: &gt; &gt; I can help with Django. And Python3 packages and subpackages. &gt; Good to hear that. I was hoping you'd say so. I took python, python-django and python3 as maintainer but not the python-django sub packages. Should I take them officially as well, and just cc you and others in case of bug reports or work overload on my side? Oliver
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+Hi! Please take them as well and send CC in Bugzilla.
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+&gt;<i> On 23 July 2012 22:23, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm tempted to blame mesa to some degree, but no real evidence :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There was indeed a refcount fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (c3bc41011f9ffe648b7dd4915c6202b776cd1ab4) in mesa that I did not have in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my snapshot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am updating it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you should have explained in mesa changelog why you updated the snapshot...
+</I>
+Well, it was not only for this exact fix.
+But I'll try to point it out next time, if it's about a major issue.
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+&gt;<i> Name : weston Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 0.95.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Jul 24 23:38:30 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://wayland.freedesktop.org/">http://wayland.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : The Weston Wayland Compositor
+</I>
+FYI, this release allows to test weston (the reference wayland
+compositor) oustide of X11 by running &quot;weston-launch&quot;.
+This will spawn the compositor in a new tty.
+
+Beware that this one is still experimental, and might crash your X11
+session.
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+You can also try it inside of a X11 session, which seems to be safer, by
+running &quot;weston&quot;.
+
+For now, the package is not much useful, only a sample &quot;weston-terminal&quot;
+application is provided, but I plan to enable more demo wayland clients
+in our weston package.
+
+I am also looking at enabling the wayland backend in gtk+3, which would
+enable far more applications to run in wayland (provided that they don't
+use gdk-x11).
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+Enjoy
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+--
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Are you working on upgrading boost?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I just recently built a security update for boost, which is why
+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed this.s
+</I>This wan't my question (u know already). Someone needs to upgrade it. GCC 4.7
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+&gt;<i> ----- Original Message -----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: David Walser
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: 07/24/12 06:58 PM
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at ...</A>&gt; writes: &gt; Are you working on upgrading boost?
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I just recently built a security update for boost, which is why I
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Boost is mine, so I will update and fix the noarch package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kamil
+</I>
+BTW, don't use cmake for build, it will not :)
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, this is incorrect, to fix this is simple just call the package %name-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> devel-doc and don't use %mklibname
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+</I>&gt;<i> So, don't worry about obsoleting the current incorrect name?
+</I>The 'obsoletes' tag is meant to manage packages installed on user
+computers only, not to manage mirrors content, and its usage should be
+restricted to where it is really needed only.
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+My wife is trying to use a Xyron Wishblade in Linux with the
+graphtecprint program (<A HREF="http://vidar.botfu.org/graphtecprint">http://vidar.botfu.org/graphtecprint</A>). It
+looks like the program accesses /dev/usb/lp* directly, which no longer
+exists.
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+Is there a different device that it can open? I tried /dev/lp* and
+the actual usb device from /dev/bus/usb, but opening the device
+failed:
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+Traceback (most recent call last):
+ File &quot;./graphtecprint-1.0.1/graphtecprint&quot;, line 422, in &lt;module&gt;
+ dialog.on_rescan_clicked()
+ File &quot;./graphtecprint-1.0.1/graphtecprint&quot;, line 178, in on_rescan_clicked
+ scanprinters()
+ File &quot;./graphtecprint-1.0.1/graphtecprint&quot;, line 349, in scanprinters
+ id = getprinterident(dev)
+ File &quot;./graphtecprint-1.0.1/graphtecprint&quot;, line 68, in getprinterident
+ x = fcntl.ioctl(f.fileno(), 0x84005001, '\x00' * 256)
+IOError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
+
+I haven't modified the permissions of the device yet, but I don't
+think that's the problem. I couldn't get usb_printerid to work on any
+devices either.
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+Jeff
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+<PRE>On 25/07/12 09:10, Jeff Robins wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My wife is trying to use a Xyron Wishblade in Linux with the
+</I>&gt;<i> graphtecprint program (<A HREF="http://vidar.botfu.org/graphtecprint">http://vidar.botfu.org/graphtecprint</A>). It
+</I>&gt;<i> looks like the program accesses /dev/usb/lp* directly, which no longer
+</I>&gt;<i> exists.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a different device that it can open? I tried /dev/lp* and
+</I>&gt;<i> the actual usb device from /dev/bus/usb, but opening the device
+</I>&gt;<i> failed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;./graphtecprint-1.0.1/graphtecprint&quot;, line 422, in &lt;module&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> dialog.on_rescan_clicked()
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;./graphtecprint-1.0.1/graphtecprint&quot;, line 178, in on_rescan_clicked
+</I>&gt;<i> scanprinters()
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;./graphtecprint-1.0.1/graphtecprint&quot;, line 349, in scanprinters
+</I>&gt;<i> id = getprinterident(dev)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;./graphtecprint-1.0.1/graphtecprint&quot;, line 68, in getprinterident
+</I>&gt;<i> x = fcntl.ioctl(f.fileno(), 0x84005001, '\x00' * 256)
+</I>&gt;<i> IOError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't modified the permissions of the device yet, but I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think that's the problem. I couldn't get usb_printerid to work on any
+</I>&gt;<i> devices either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jeff
+</I>
+usblp is blacklisted but you may find using modprobe usblp cures it for
+you. If it does then comment it in
+/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-cups-common.conf or remove that file.
+
+Claire
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 25/07/12 00:00 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> blino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : weston Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 0.95.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Jul 24 23:38:30 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://wayland.freedesktop.org/">http://wayland.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : The Weston Wayland Compositor
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FYI, this release allows to test weston (the reference wayland
+</I>&gt;<i> compositor) oustide of X11 by running &quot;weston-launch&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> This will spawn the compositor in a new tty.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Beware that this one is still experimental, and might crash your X11
+</I>&gt;<i> session.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can also try it inside of a X11 session, which seems to be safer, by
+</I>&gt;<i> running &quot;weston&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For now, the package is not much useful, only a sample &quot;weston-terminal&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> application is provided, but I plan to enable more demo wayland clients
+</I>&gt;<i> in our weston package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am also looking at enabling the wayland backend in gtk+3, which would
+</I>&gt;<i> enable far more applications to run in wayland (provided that they don't
+</I>&gt;<i> use gdk-x11).
+</I>
+Nice thanks :)
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+&gt;<i> So I think it's really something that has to be marked as nofail or
+</I>&gt;<i> noauto in the fstab or as some kind of automount, which would then allow
+</I>&gt;<i> the DM to query you for your encrypted password rather than plymouth.
+</I>&gt;<i> This would seem like a more sensible structure overall.
+</I>pam_mount seems a better alternative for mounting home directories while
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+ /sys/devices/virtual/tty/tty0
+ Starting plymouth daemon
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+and there it sits. It responds to CTRL-ALT-DEL and reboots immediately
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+Is anyone else seeing this ? Any idea what could have changed ?
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+in /var/log/syslog is the shutdown messages just prior to the attempted
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+<PRE>On 07/25/2012 12:46 PM, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 25/07/12 00:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : weston Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 0.95.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Jul 24 23:38:30 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://wayland.freedesktop.org/">http://wayland.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : The Weston Wayland Compositor
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FYI, this release allows to test weston (the reference wayland
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compositor) oustide of X11 by running &quot;weston-launch&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This will spawn the compositor in a new tty.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Beware that this one is still experimental, and might crash your X11
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> session.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can also try it inside of a X11 session, which seems to be safer, by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running &quot;weston&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For now, the package is not much useful, only a sample &quot;weston-terminal&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> application is provided, but I plan to enable more demo wayland clients
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in our weston package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am also looking at enabling the wayland backend in gtk+3, which would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enable far more applications to run in wayland (provided that they don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use gdk-x11).
+</I>
+It doesn't work for me under nvidia propietary driver:
+
+werewolf:~&gt; weston
+Date: 2012-07-25 CEST
+[16:48:50.407] weston 0.95.0
+ <A HREF="http://wayland.freedesktop.org/">http://wayland.freedesktop.org/</A>
+ Bug reports to: <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=weston">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=weston</A>
+ Build:
+[16:48:50.407] OS: Linux, 3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3, #1 SMP Fri Jul 20 18:40:37 UTC 2012, x86_64
+couldn't open /home/magallon/.config/weston.ini
+[16:48:50.407] Loading module '/usr/lib64/weston/x11-backend.so'
+[16:48:50.429] initializing x11 backend
+couldn't open /home/magallon/.config/weston.ini
+libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate
+[16:48:50.494] EGL version: 1.4 (DRI2)
+[16:48:50.494] EGL vendor: Mesa Project
+[16:48:50.494] EGL client APIs: OpenGL OpenGL_ES OpenGL_ES2
+[16:48:50.494] EGL extensions: EGL_KHR_surfaceless_gles1
+ EGL_KHR_surfaceless_gles2 EGL_KHR_surfaceless_opengl
+[16:48:50.494] GL version: OpenGL ES 2.0 Mesa 8.1-devel
+[16:48:50.494] GLSL version: OpenGL ES GLSL ES 1.0.16
+[16:48:50.494] GL vendor: VMware, Inc.
+[16:48:50.494] GL renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)
+[16:48:50.494] GL extensions: GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays
+ GL_EXT_texture_compression_dxt1 GL_EXT_texture_format_BGRA8888
+ GL_OES_compressed_ETC1_RGB8_texture GL_OES_depth24
+ GL_OES_element_index_uint GL_OES_fbo_render_mipmap
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+ GL_OES_EGL_image_external GL_EXT_texture_rg
+ GL_EXT_unpack_subimage GL_NV_draw_buffers GL_NV_read_buffer
+[16:48:50.519] XCB-XKB not available during build
+[16:48:50.541] x11 output 1024x640, window id 41943048
+[16:48:50.541] Loading module '/usr/lib64/weston/desktop-shell.so'
+couldn't open /home/magallon/.config/weston.ini
+[16:48:50.543] libwayland: using socket /run/user/3001/wayland-0
+failed to get cairo egl argb device
+failed to create display: No such file or directory
+[16:48:50.663] libwayland: disconnect from client 0x1ab8a90
+[16:48:50.663] weston-desktop-shell died, respawning...
+failed to get cairo egl argb device
+failed to create display: No such file or directory
+[16:48:50.769] libwayland: disconnect from client 0x1ca5d90
+[16:48:50.769] weston-desktop-shell died, respawning...
+failed to get cairo egl argb device
+failed to create display: No such file or directory
+[16:48:50.877] libwayland: disconnect from client 0x1cdd5b0
+[16:48:50.878] weston-desktop-shell died, respawning...
+failed to get cairo egl argb device
+failed to create display: No such file or directory
+[16:48:50.987] libwayland: disconnect from client 0x1ab8a90
+[16:48:50.987] weston-desktop-shell died, respawning...
+failed to get cairo egl argb device
+failed to create display: No such file or directory
+[16:48:51.099] libwayland: disconnect from client 0x1ca5d90
+[16:48:51.099] weston-desktop-shell died, respawning...
+failed to get cairo egl argb device
+failed to create display: No such file or directory
+[16:48:51.205] libwayland: disconnect from client 0x1cdd5b0
+[16:48:51.205] weston-desktop-shell died, giving up.
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+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 274133
+</I>&gt;<i> - do not build radeonsi yet, it requires LLVM 3.1
+</I>&gt;<i> - dri drivers: do not require exact mesa release to avoid conflicts when
+</I>&gt;<i> having x86_64 drivers from tainted and i586 drivers from core (#6862)
+</I>&gt;<i> - the main package can not be noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> - build radeonsi gallium driver
+</I>&gt;<i> - update to snapshot from 20120724 (for radeonsi)
+</I>&gt;<i> - make mesa package noarch since it contains only a config file (possible fix for #6862)
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+You forgot the tainted build...
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+</I>Answering myself, after five solid failures I booted another partition
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+&gt;<i> On 25 July 2012 00:05, blino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 274133
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - do not build radeonsi yet, it requires LLVM 3.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - dri drivers: do not require exact mesa release to avoid conflicts when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having x86_64 drivers from tainted and i586 drivers from core (#6862)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the main package can not be noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - build radeonsi gallium driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update to snapshot from 20120724 (for radeonsi)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - make mesa package noarch since it contains only a config file (possible fix for #6862)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You forgot the tainted build...
+</I>
+Feel free to submit it yourself next time instead of just whining here
+and inventing me a new nickname :)
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> usblp is blacklisted but you may find using modprobe usblp cures it for
+</I>&gt;<i> you. If it does then comment it in
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-cups-common.conf or remove that file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>
+I'll give that a try. Is there a better/newer way to access the
+device? I'd like to update
+and fix the program if possible.
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+ <B>Christiaan Welvaart</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usblp is blacklisted but you may find using modprobe usblp cures it for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you. If it does then comment it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-cups-common.conf or remove that file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll give that a try. Is there a better/newer way to access the
+</I>&gt;<i> device? I'd like to update
+</I>&gt;<i> and fix the program if possible.
+</I>
+The blacklisting is not needed anymore with recent cups(?) according to
+<A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/902970/comments/12">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/902970/comments/12</A>
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+so removing the file from the cups package should be the solution.
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 25 July 2012 00:05, blino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 274133
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - do not build radeonsi yet, it requires LLVM 3.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - dri drivers: do not require exact mesa release to avoid conflicts when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having x86_64 drivers from tainted and i586 drivers from core (#6862)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - the main package can not be noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - build radeonsi gallium driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - update to snapshot from 20120724 (for radeonsi)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - make mesa package noarch since it contains only a config file (possible fix for #6862)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You forgot the tainted build...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to submit it yourself next time instead of just whining here
+</I>&gt;<i> and inventing me a new nickname :)
+</I>
+Like 'Sweety'? &lt;3
+--
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can also try it inside of a X11 session, which seems to be safer, by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running &quot;weston&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It doesn't work for me under nvidia propietary driver:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:~&gt; weston
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: 2012-07-25 CEST
+</I>&gt;<i> [16:48:50.407] weston 0.95.0
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wayland.freedesktop.org/">http://wayland.freedesktop.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bug reports to: <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=weston">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=weston</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Build:
+</I>&gt;<i> [16:48:50.407] OS: Linux, 3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3, #1 SMP Fri Jul 20 18:40:37 UTC 2012, x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't open /home/magallon/.config/weston.ini
+</I>&gt;<i> [16:48:50.407] Loading module '/usr/lib64/weston/x11-backend.so'
+</I>&gt;<i> [16:48:50.429] initializing x11 backend
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't open /home/magallon/.config/weston.ini
+</I>&gt;<i> libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate
+</I>&gt;<i> [16:48:50.494] EGL version: 1.4 (DRI2)
+</I>&gt;<i> [16:48:50.494] EGL vendor: Mesa Project
+</I>&gt;<i> [16:48:50.494] EGL client APIs: OpenGL OpenGL_ES OpenGL_ES2
+</I>&gt;<i> [16:48:50.494] EGL extensions: EGL_KHR_surfaceless_gles1
+</I>&gt;<i> EGL_KHR_surfaceless_gles2 EGL_KHR_surfaceless_opengl
+</I>
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i> failed to get cairo egl argb device
+</I>
+Hello,
+
+It seems to use EGL over DRI2, which is missing some extensions, likely
+because of the nvidia driver that is not supported.
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+You can try to run it in software, with llvmpipe:
+EGL_SOFTWARE=true weston
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+&gt;<i> I'll give that a try. Is there a better/newer way to access the
+</I>&gt;<i> device? I'd like to update
+</I>&gt;<i> and fix the program if possible.
+</I>
+Using cups would be the best. If the program is currently opening the lp
+device directly, then it might be as simple as replacing the call to
+fopen(&quot;/dev/lp&quot;,&quot;w&quot;) with popen(&quot;lp&quot;,&quot;w&quot;). That will pipe the data to
+the &quot;lp&quot; program which will spool it to the printer through CUPS.
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+ <B>Jeff Robins</B>
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+&gt;<i> Using cups would be the best. If the program is currently opening the lp
+</I>&gt;<i> device directly, then it might be as simple as replacing the call to
+</I>&gt;<i> fopen(&quot;/dev/lp&quot;,&quot;w&quot;) with popen(&quot;lp&quot;,&quot;w&quot;). That will pipe the data to
+</I>&gt;<i> the &quot;lp&quot; program which will spool it to the printer through CUPS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dan
+</I>
+I'm not sure if that will work. CUPS doesn't have a driver for the
+device and it's not really a printer.
+It just uses the USB printer class. It's used to cut shapes into or
+out of paper. This includes
+moving the blade up and down. I looked at the program and I thinks
+its sending G-code, which is
+used for CNC work.
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+Thank you,
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+&gt;<i> Name : telepathy-salut Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 0.8.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Jul 1 21:36:44 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Networking/Instant messaging Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1828069 License: LGPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/">http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : Connection manager implementing link-local messaging for XMPP
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> telepathy-salut is a connection manager implementing link-local
+</I>&gt;<i> messaging for XMPP
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0174.html">http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0174.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 0.8.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 266270
+</I>&gt;<i> - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> - disable static
+</I>&gt;<i> - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 0.8.0
+</I>This package is wrongly packaged pulling some devel files.
+
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+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to use EGL over DRI2, which is missing some extensions, likely
+</I>&gt;<i> because of the nvidia driver that is not supported.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can try to run it in software, with llvmpipe:
+</I>&gt;<i> EGL_SOFTWARE=true weston
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTE0NjI">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTE0NjI</A>
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+&gt;<i> &gt; ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 0.8.0-1.mga3:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - disable static
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - new version 0.8.0
+</I>&gt;<i> This package is wrongly packaged pulling some devel files.
+</I>
+Not to mention there are two duplicate log lines.
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+&gt;<i> I'm not sure if that will work. CUPS doesn't have a driver for the
+</I>&gt;<i> device and it's not really a printer.
+</I>&gt;<i> It just uses the USB printer class. It's used to cut shapes into or
+</I>&gt;<i> out of paper. This includes
+</I>&gt;<i> moving the blade up and down. I looked at the program and I thinks
+</I>&gt;<i> its sending G-code, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> used for CNC work.
+</I>
+CUPS has a rule to send raw binary data directly to the device without
+interpreting it first. If this device emulates a printer at the USB
+level, it ought to work. At worst, you may have to add the -oraw option
+or add a rule to /usr/share/cups/mime/mime.convs to force cups to treat
+the data as &quot;raw binary&quot; (instead of text, for example) so it's sent
+directly to the printer instead of being rasterized first.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dan
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+<PRE>On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:28:59 -0300
+John Balcaen wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0174.html">http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0174.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 0.8.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 266270
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - disable static
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - new version 0.8.0
+</I>&gt;<i> This package is wrongly packaged pulling some devel files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+It should be split telepathy-salut And telepathy-salut-devel
+with file list as follows
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+%files -n %name
+%doc docs/clique.xml NEWS README
+%{_libdir}/telepathy/salut-*/plugins
+%{_libdir}/telepathy/salut-*/*/libsalut-plugins-0.8.0.so
+%{_libdir}/telepathy/salut-*/*/libwocky-telepathy-salut-0.8.0.so
+%{_libexecdir}/telepathy-salut
+%{_mandir}/man8/telepathy-salut.8.*
+%{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+%{_datadir}/telepathy/managers/salut.manager
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+
+%files -n %name-devel
+%_libdir/telepathy/salut-0/lib/*.la
+%_libdir/telepathy/salut-0/lib/libsalut-plugins.so
+%_libdir/telepathy/salut-0/lib/libwocky.so
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+
+*.la can/should be removed with
+rm -f %buildroot%_libdir/telepathy/salut-0/lib/*.la
+(it is currently included, --disable-shared can not be used as it
+breaks the build because included Wocky is used)
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+I do think the way we enforce the need of migrate to /usr fs is just an
+abuse of rpm.
+
+By using the a rpmlib() dependency we create in fact this dependency
+tree:
+filesystem =&gt; rpm with X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir patch =&gt; check fs
+whereas we want:
+filesystem =&gt; check fs
+
+THere another to perform the check w/o needing patch in rpm (so w/o
+needing a specific rpm first): using pre script.
+
+If the %pre script failed rpm will refuse to install the rpm, so
+something like that:
+
+export LC_ALL=C
+
+[ &quot;`stat /bin -c %F`&quot; == 'symbolic link' ] || exit 1
+
+or the same using lua.
+
+Regards.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
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+Sent: 07/25/12 06:06 AM
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+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
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+ BTW, don't use cmake for build, it will not :) -- Best regards Thomas Spuhler
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 09:05:08 Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>Hello,
+
+&gt;<i> I do think the way we enforce the need of migrate to /usr fs is just an
+</I>&gt;<i> abuse of rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By using the a rpmlib() dependency we create in fact this dependency
+</I>&gt;<i> tree:
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem =&gt; rpm with X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir patch =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i> whereas we want:
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> THere another to perform the check w/o needing patch in rpm (so w/o
+</I>&gt;<i> needing a specific rpm first): using pre script.
+</I>Well if it's stay like this we'll have to provide an updated rpm on mga2 &amp;
+ensure it's installed because i was forced here to install manually rpm&amp; his
+dependency because of this loop even if the filesystem was already migrated
+when upgrading from a fresh installed mga2 to cauldron.
+
+Regards,
+
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+--
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+<PRE>* Balcaen John (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 09:05:08 Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do think the way we enforce the need of migrate to /usr fs is just an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; abuse of rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; By using the a rpmlib() dependency we create in fact this dependency
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tree:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; filesystem =&gt; rpm with X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir patch =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whereas we want:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; filesystem =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; THere another to perform the check w/o needing patch in rpm (so w/o
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; needing a specific rpm first): using pre script.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well if it's stay like this we'll have to provide an updated rpm on mga2 &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> ensure it's installed because i was forced here to install manually rpm&amp; his
+</I>&gt;<i> dependency because of this loop even if the filesystem was already migrated
+</I>&gt;<i> when upgrading from a fresh installed mga2 to cauldron.
+</I>
+An update is already provided (currently in update_testing) but indeed
+my proposal does not need an update of rpm (it's a standard feature for
+years now).
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
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+<PRE>On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I do think the way we enforce the need of migrate to /usr fs is just an
+</I>&gt;<i> abuse of rpm.
+</I>
+Agreed, I think it even changes the rpmlib ABI/API. rpmlib() deps are
+used for features supplied by rpmlib itself, while rpm does not maintain
+/bin /lib etc. Technically, all rpmlib() provides are implemented in
+rpmdsRpmlib() but filesystem checks cannot be done there because they
+depend on the rootdir used, which is not supplied to this function.
+
+&gt;<i> By using the a rpmlib() dependency we create in fact this dependency
+</I>&gt;<i> tree:
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem =&gt; rpm with X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir patch =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i> whereas we want:
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> THere another to perform the check w/o needing patch in rpm (so w/o
+</I>&gt;<i> needing a specific rpm first): using pre script.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the %pre script failed rpm will refuse to install the rpm, so
+</I>&gt;<i> something like that:
+</I>
+Does that cancel the whole transaction?
+
+Another option is to use a dummy package, e.g.
+usrmovecheck-1-1.mga3.noarch.rpm whis is *not* put in the repository.
+Instead, the dracut conversion script installs it from /usr/share/...
+after a succesful filesystem conversion. The installer must also install
+this dummy package before regular package installation(...). The
+filesystem pkg can then depend on (for example)
+&quot;usr_move_required-see_mga3_release_notes&quot; which usrmovecheck provides.
+The latter pkg has a pre check on /bin /lib etc. not being real
+directories, but maybe it should not complain if they're missing (they are
+formally provided by the filesystem pkg which depends on the check pkg,
+creating a circular dep).
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 25 July 2012 19:08, tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.148-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 274302
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop automatically generated dependencies on interpreters we either don't
+</I>&gt;<i> need dependencies on or that we have other dedicated dependency generators
+</I>&gt;<i> for making them duplicate, reducing ~5K packages' dependencies at
+</I>&gt;<i> next rebuild. (Per Oyvind, mdv)
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop automatically generated rtld(GNU_HASH) dependencies, it's been provided
+</I>&gt;<i> by glibc for five years now and can safely be assumed that there's no longer
+</I>&gt;<i> any need for it, reducing ~8K packages' dependency on it during next rebuild.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Per Oyvind, mdv)
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;resolve&quot; /bin/env foo interpreter to actual path, rather than generating
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies on coreutils, should trim off ~800 dependencies more
+</I>&gt;<i> - perl.prov: sync with upstream rpm.org:
+</I>&gt;<i> o avoid emitting empty perl() module deps
+</I>&gt;<i> o filter out incorrect perl(main) provides (rh#177960)
+</I>&gt;<i> o fix perl version provide for packages defined in multiple blocks (#rhbz214496)
+</I>&gt;<i> o make perl.{req,prov} warn about unreadable files
+</I>&gt;<i> o skip new-fangled head[34] while gerenerating deps (#118243)
+</I>&gt;<i> o skip over =for ... perlpod construct (RhBug:477516)
+</I>&gt;<i> - use upstream fonconfig.prov as we had exactly the same file
+</I>
+Cjw, for some reason, g-ir-extract-deps is now in
+%{_libdir}/rpm-mageia-setup/g-ir-extract-deps
+instead of /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/g-ir-extract-deps
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+See <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpm-mageia-setup/current/SPECS/rpm-mageia-setup.spec?r1=274043&amp;r2=274302">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpm-mageia-setup/current/SPECS/rpm-mageia-setup.spec?r1=274043&amp;r2=274302</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 26/07/12 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do think the way we enforce the need of migrate to /usr fs is just an
+</I>&gt;<i> abuse of rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By using the a rpmlib() dependency we create in fact this dependency
+</I>&gt;<i> tree:
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem =&gt; rpm with X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir patch =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i> whereas we want:
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> THere another to perform the check w/o needing patch in rpm (so w/o
+</I>&gt;<i> needing a specific rpm first): using pre script.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the %pre script failed rpm will refuse to install the rpm, so
+</I>&gt;<i> something like that:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> export LC_ALL=C
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [ &quot;`stat /bin -c %F`&quot; == 'symbolic link' ] || exit 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or the same using lua.
+</I>
+This is an interesting idea, but I wonder why the redhat guys didn't do
+it that way so I'll discuss it with them when I get a chance.
+
+I'm also not sure where the circular dep is (I can't see why filesystem
+has to be upgraded to install the newer rpm: but I'll have to do some
+tests next week in a VM to see if it comes to light).
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 26/07/12 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm also not sure where the circular dep is (I can't see why filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> has to be upgraded to install the newer rpm: but I'll have to do some
+</I>&gt;<i> tests next week in a VM to see if it comes to light).
+</I>
+The circular dep is easy to understand:
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+rpm is linked over perl =&gt; urpmi rpm pull new perl
+perl have file in /usr/lib =&gt; require new filesystem (+a lot of perl
+module + other rpm linked over lib perl + urpmi, etc...)
+filesystem require the rpmlib() dep, pull rpm
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+Regards.
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+<PRE>On Thu, 26 Jul 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 25 July 2012 19:08, tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1.148-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 274302
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cjw, for some reason, g-ir-extract-deps is now in
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/rpm-mageia-setup/g-ir-extract-deps
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/g-ir-extract-deps
+</I>
+Caused by automake 1.12 I think. The solution is to add in the specfile:
+%define _libexecdir %{_prefix}/lib
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+IIRC this is preferred anyway, so we could change the definition
+of _libexecdir systemwide and rebuild everything (=
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+ <B>Glen Ogilvie</B>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Glen Ogilvie at 24/07/12 11:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 03/05/12 17:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 03/05/12 15:37 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should probably apply the below libvdpau workaround for Adobe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Flash issues, for both mga2 and mga1, WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea. I tend to trust Stephen's work generally, even
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if I don't know much about the VDPAU issues specifically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Don't think these were ever pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just tested this patch on a machine that is half built here. It worked
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK provided you also include the only commit from git master since 0.4.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Seemed to work OK for me, but haven't managed to test too much yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you happen to have an SRPM or RPM for mageia2 I could test? I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have a system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that suffers from the problem this patch fixes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can try the srpm from here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/libvdpau-0.4.1-3.1.csg3.src.rpm">http://colin.guthr.ie/libvdpau-0.4.1-3.1.csg3.src.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There may very well be newer updates and releases now, I've not checked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All I did was add the only patch from git master:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and then apply the other patch on top.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They are both in the srpm.
+</I>
+I've tested the SRPM above it on my system and it resolves the blue
+tint issue. Thank you. Hope someone can get this into Mageia
+testing for others to test.
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+Regards
+Glen Ogilvie
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Cjw, for some reason, g-ir-extract-deps is now in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/rpm-mageia-setup/g-ir-extract-deps
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Caused by automake 1.12 I think. The solution is to add in the specfile:
+</I>&gt;<i> %define _libexecdir %{_prefix}/lib
+</I>
+That makes it go to /usr/lib/rpm-mageia-setup/g-ir-extract-deps
+But it was previously in /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/g-ir-extract-deps
+So that's not all.
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+&gt;<i> IIRC this is preferred anyway, so we could change the definition of
+</I>&gt;<i> _libexecdir systemwide and rebuild everything (=
+</I>
+Humm... It was %_prefix/lib until mdv2010.1.
+RH/FC differs there, it's %_prefix/lib
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+We changed when tmb merged manbo stuff into main package.
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+I fixed in my git repo since that was not intended.
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+&gt;<i> On 26 July 2012 14:12, Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cjw, for some reason, g-ir-extract-deps is now in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/rpm-mageia-setup/g-ir-extract-deps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> instead of /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/g-ir-extract-deps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Caused by automake 1.12 I think. The solution is to add in the specfile:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %define _libexecdir %{_prefix}/lib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That makes it go to /usr/lib/rpm-mageia-setup/g-ir-extract-deps
+</I>&gt;<i> But it was previously in /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/g-ir-extract-deps
+</I>&gt;<i> So that's not all.
+</I>
+Oops, it was simply wrong. I think I fixed it in svn now (but automake
+needs to be run to propagate the changes). The _libexecdir redefinition is
+not needed.
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+&gt;<i> ----- Original Message -----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Thomas Spuhler
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: 07/25/12 06:06 AM
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia development mailing-list
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
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+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, don't use cmake for build, it will not :) -- Best regards Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i> Spuhler Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am building the newest Boost with the upstream builder.. but I need some
+</I>&gt;<i> time to investigate closer all files &amp; subpackages. Please be patient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kamil
+</I>You will also need to patch the xtime.hpp file
+There is a &quot;}&quot; at almost the end that shouldn't be there
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+&gt;<i> On 26 July 2012 14:12, Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %define _libexecdir %{_prefix}/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IIRC this is preferred anyway, so we could change the definition of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _libexecdir systemwide and rebuild everything (=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Humm... It was %_prefix/lib until mdv2010.1.
+</I>&gt;<i> RH/FC differs there, it's %_prefix/lib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We changed when tmb merged manbo stuff into main package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I fixed in my git repo since that was not intended.
+</I>
+What I was referring to was actually a change of _libexecdir to
+/usr/libexec - that is what fedora now uses. No idea about /usr/lib vs
+/usr/lib64.
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+<PRE>I dont know if this is a fallout of usrmove or the recent
+rpm-mageia-setup cleanup or something else, but I now see
+this in kernel buildlogs:
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+Searching for Provides: /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/filter.sh ' ' ' '
+'/home/tmb/RPM/BUILDROOT/kernel-linus-3.5.0-1.mga3.x86_64'
+/usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-provides
+Traceback (most recent call last):
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/rpm/maven.prov&quot;, line 65, in &lt;module&gt;
+ builder = TagBuilder ()
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/rpm/maven.prov&quot;, line 46, in __init__
+ self.get_mvn_provide (path)
+ File &quot;/usr/lib/rpm/maven.prov&quot;, line 51, in get_mvn_provide
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+IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: ''
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+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> I dont know if this is a fallout of usrmove or the recent
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm-mageia-setup cleanup or something else, but I now see
+</I>&gt;<i> this in kernel buildlogs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Searching for Provides: /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/filter.sh ' ' ' '
+</I>&gt;<i> '/home/tmb/RPM/BUILDROOT/kernel-linus-3.5.0-1.mga3.x86_64'
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-provides
+</I>&gt;<i> Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/rpm/maven.prov&quot;, line 65, in &lt;module&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> builder = TagBuilder ()
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/rpm/maven.prov&quot;, line 46, in __init__
+</I>&gt;<i> self.get_mvn_provide (path)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/rpm/maven.prov&quot;, line 51, in get_mvn_provide
+</I>&gt;<i> with open(path) as f:
+</I>&gt;<i> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: ''
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+and rpm-mageia-setup cleanup is the guilty one...
+
+
+We had this:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpm-mageia-setup/current/SOURCES/rpm-mageia-setup-1.147-Better-handle-maven-prov.patch?revision=189248&amp;view=markup&amp;pathrev=189248">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpm-mageia-setup/current/SOURCES/rpm-mageia-setup-1.147-Better-handle-maven-prov.patch?revision=189248&amp;view=markup&amp;pathrev=189248</A>
+
+
+where find-provides had:
+mavenlist=$(echo &quot;$filelist&quot; |egrep '/usr/share/maven-poms/.*\.pom')
+
+but now has:
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+mavenlist=$(echo &quot;$filelist&quot; |egrep '/usr/share/maven-fragments/*')
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+So wich one is right ?
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+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and brett at 22/03/12 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> iinm we're actually still starting it up... contact rtp for more info
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regarding this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can you please expand rtp....I don't know what that stands for.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rtp is his IRC nick name :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rtp = Arnaud Pitard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I got mine too :)
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+Has anyone actually managed to net-install Mageia-arm in a qemu vm?
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+I appear to be able to access the mirror (either my local copy or
+remote) but files (like mdkinst.sqfs) which are there refuse to download
+- errors like &quot;HTTP: error -5&quot;.
+Nothing in server logs when using local.
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+I'm suspecting issues with net access from qemu - any help appreciated :\
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I'm tempted to blame mesa to some degree, but no real evidence :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There was indeed a refcount fix
+</I>&gt;<i> (c3bc41011f9ffe648b7dd4915c6202b776cd1ab4) in mesa that I did not have in
+</I>&gt;<i> my snapshot.
+</I>
+I still have huge issues running GNOME shell in Cauldron.
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+Problems:
+1. Cannot skip in mplayer (said to be glibc problem)
+2. Sometimes when I use volume up/down keys, the popup window doesn't
+disappear. After that, the volume keys don't work anymore. I can still
+switch the volume using the volume icon in the top bar. I can click
+through the popup window, but cannot see what is underneath it (really
+annoying).
+The volume key is handled by gnome-settings-daemon.
+3. Switching between apps or workspaces using alt+tab, alt+~,
+ctrl+alt+up/down makes GNOME shell hang. I'm currently avoiding
+workspaces all together, because when I switch between workspaces, GNOME
+shell can easily hang within 5 minutes.
+
+Usually I can unfreeze X by stopping and starting &quot;dm&quot; (gdm). Sometimes
+I have to reboot or shut the machine down completely (usually when the
+plymouth/gdm background is garbled).
+
+I've updated all the packages, running the latest kernel, latest
+pulseaudio, etc. As driver, I use nouveau driver. I'm guessing glibc is
+to blame, but not sure.
+
+I'll try and use strace on GNOME shell + gnome-settings-daemon (volume
+keys) next time one of them hangs again.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>On 07/27/2012 02:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:23:11PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm tempted to blame mesa to some degree, but no real evidence :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There was indeed a refcount fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (c3bc41011f9ffe648b7dd4915c6202b776cd1ab4) in mesa that I did not have in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my snapshot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I still have huge issues running GNOME shell in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+At last !! I thought I was the only one...
+More from my side ;(...
+
+&gt;<i> Problems:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Cannot skip in mplayer (said to be glibc problem)
+</I>
+I think it is some problem im GTK sliders themselves. If I click in the
+middle of the slider to advance a full page, nothing happens, in several
+applications. For example, try rithmbox and push in the song time slider:
+it allows you to move the window (???) instead of skipping. Totem simply
+blocks. Curiously, in my case GnomeMplayer at least moves the slider,
+but media stops playing...
+
+&gt;<i> 2. Sometimes when I use volume up/down keys, the popup window doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> disappear. After that, the volume keys don't work anymore. I can still
+</I>&gt;<i> switch the volume using the volume icon in the top bar. I can click
+</I>&gt;<i> through the popup window, but cannot see what is underneath it (really
+</I>&gt;<i> annoying).
+</I>&gt;<i> The volume key is handled by gnome-settings-daemon.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Switching between apps or workspaces using alt+tab, alt+~,
+</I>&gt;<i> ctrl+alt+up/down makes GNOME shell hang. I'm currently avoiding
+</I>&gt;<i> workspaces all together, because when I switch between workspaces, GNOME
+</I>&gt;<i> shell can easily hang within 5 minutes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+4. If I click on the corner X button from decorator to close the window,
+many times gnome shell hangs, no visible crash, just freezes.
+
+5. Many many mooore times nautilus just segfaults trying to open a window,
+or when I open a movie with totem.
+This was commented on a bug report, but I had not still the time to test
+the possible solution.
+
+6. GDM behaves weird. On one box it does not allow me to log in, just accepts
+my password and sits forever showing the dimmed bullet passwd entry...
+On others, when I log out the system thinks I'm still there (commented
+also on other post, here for completeness...)
+
+&gt;<i> Usually I can unfreeze X by stopping and starting &quot;dm&quot; (gdm). Sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> I have to reboot or shut the machine down completely (usually when the
+</I>&gt;<i> plymouth/gdm background is garbled).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If I kill X with ctrl-alt-bs, gdm restarts but still thinks I'm logged
+(no session menu for my user).
+
+&gt;<i> I've updated all the packages, running the latest kernel, latest
+</I>&gt;<i> pulseaudio, etc. As driver, I use nouveau driver. I'm guessing glibc is
+</I>&gt;<i> to blame, but not sure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I use nvidia and intel on other boxes, so I think it is not driver related.
+
+&gt;<i> I'll try and use strace on GNOME shell + gnome-settings-daemon (volume
+</I>&gt;<i> keys) next time one of them hangs again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 02:52:15AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> 6. GDM behaves weird. On one box it does not allow me to log in, just accepts
+</I>&gt;<i> my password and sits forever showing the dimmed bullet passwd entry...
+</I>&gt;<i> On others, when I log out the system thinks I'm still there (commented
+</I>&gt;<i> also on other post, here for completeness...)
+</I>
+That one I know (as of today!):
+Short version: wait for newer GDM
+
+Basically combination of GDM + systemd. When you log out, some processes
+might stay around. As long as those processes are around, GDM thinks
+you're logged in. To fix this, they changed systemd to note which
+sessions are &quot;closing&quot;. So in case a process stays around, GDM is able
+to see that it is a &quot;closing&quot; session and ignores it. IIRC our systemd
+is already new enough, just waiting for a newer GDM. Fix seems simple
+though so maybe we can apply it to our GDM version.
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+Olav
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 03:21:06AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 02:52:15AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 6. GDM behaves weird. On one box it does not allow me to log in, just accepts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my password and sits forever showing the dimmed bullet passwd entry...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On others, when I log out the system thinks I'm still there (commented
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also on other post, here for completeness...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That one I know (as of today!):
+</I>&gt;<i> Short version: wait for newer GDM
+</I>
+Hmm, that is not it as our GDM already includes the patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677556">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677556</A>
+
+Could you file a bug @ bugzilla.gnome.org + cc me
+(<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bugzilla-gnome at vitters.nl</A>)?
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and brett at 22/03/12 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;iinm we're actually still starting it up... contact rtp for more info
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; regarding this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can you please expand rtp....I don't know what that stands for.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rtp is his IRC nick name :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rtp = Arnaud Pitard
+</I>
+Arnaud PAtard.
+ ___
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+Regards.
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+2012/7/27, Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and brett at 22/03/12 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;iinm we're actually still starting it up... contact rtp for more info
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; regarding this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Can you please expand rtp....I don't know what that stands for.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtp is his IRC nick name :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rtp = Arnaud Pitard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Arnaud PAtard.
+</I>&gt;<i> ___
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS - LATMOS
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 27 juli 2012 09:01:38 schreef Olivier Thauvin:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'Twas brillig, and brett at 22/03/12 15:12 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;iinm we're actually still starting it up... contact rtp for more info
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; regarding this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Can you please expand rtp....I don't know what that stands for.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rtp is his IRC nick name :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rtp = Arnaud Pitard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Arnaud PAtard.
+</I>
+haha, like cpt Picard... but with alot more hair :-)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I dont know if this is a fallout of usrmove or the recent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm-mageia-setup cleanup or something else, but I now see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this in kernel buildlogs:
+</I>
+I would say it's a fallout of failing to do proper releases and
+instead comiting in SVN and patching the package instead.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Searching for Provides: /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/filter.sh ' ' ' '
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> '/home/tmb/RPM/BUILDROOT/kernel-linus-3.5.0-1.mga3.x86_64'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/rpm/maven.prov&quot;, line 65, in &lt;module&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> builder = TagBuilder ()
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/rpm/maven.prov&quot;, line 46, in __init__
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> self.get_mvn_provide (path)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/rpm/maven.prov&quot;, line 51, in get_mvn_provide
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with open(path) as f:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: ''
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and rpm-mageia-setup cleanup is the guilty one...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We had this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpm-mageia-setup/current/SOURCES/rpm-mageia-setup-1.147-Better-handle-maven-prov.patch?revision=189248&amp;view=markup&amp;pathrev=189248">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/rpm-mageia-setup/current/SOURCES/rpm-mageia-setup-1.147-Better-handle-maven-prov.patch?revision=189248&amp;view=markup&amp;pathrev=189248</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> where find-provides had:
+</I>&gt;<i> mavenlist=$(echo &quot;$filelist&quot; |egrep '/usr/share/maven-poms/.*\.pom')
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but now has:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mavenlist=$(echo &quot;$filelist&quot; |egrep '/usr/share/maven-fragments/*')
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So wich one is right ?
+</I>
+Are you sure it's not that old typo the issue (due to above issue
+about not doing
+proper releases, where one of soft &amp; the package commit had a vim
+issue with &quot;i&quot;)?
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/find-provides.in?r1=5229&amp;r2=5233">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/find-provides.in?r1=5229&amp;r2=5233</A>
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+<PRE>27.07.2012 10:48, Thierry Vignaud skrev:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Are you sure it's not that old typo the issue (due to above issue
+</I>&gt;<i> about not doing
+</I>&gt;<i> proper releases, where one of soft &amp; the package commit had a vim
+</I>&gt;<i> issue with &quot;i&quot;)?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/find-provides.in?r1=5229&amp;r2=5233">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/find-provides.in?r1=5229&amp;r2=5233</A>
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+Yep, that was it...
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+dmorgan found and fixed it...
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+<PRE>On 25 June 2012 09:25, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 5019 Author fwang Date 2012-06-25 09:25:45 +0200 (Mon, 25 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</I>
+This break translations.
+Please fix translations w/o fuzzying them.
+Else would replace the 2nd &quot;Mga&quot; by &quot;Mga linux&quot;.
+Thanks
+
+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/messages.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/messages.pm 2012-06-23 06:43:31 UTC (rev 5018)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/messages.pm 2012-06-25 07:25:45 UTC (rev 5019)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -75,7 +75,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> protected by intellectual property and copyright laws applicable to
+</I>&gt;<i> software programs.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia and its suppliers and licensors reserves their rights to modify or
+</I>&gt;<i> adapt the Software
+</I>&gt;<i> Products, as a whole or in parts, by all means and for all purposes.
+</I>&gt;<i> -\&quot;Mageia\&quot;, \&quot;Mageia\&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> +\&quot;Mageia\&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. Governing Laws
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.3.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 274917
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 0.3.0
+</I>
+I didn't upload this one since it relies on a KMS driver we don't
+ship yet (ping tmb :-) ) and I'm not sure if UMS still works fine.
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+&gt;<i> On 27 July 2012 10:09, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 0.3.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 274917
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 0.3.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't upload this one since it relies on a KMS driver we don't
+</I>&gt;<i> ship yet (ping tmb :-) ) and I'm not sure if UMS still works fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+IIRC upstream wanted this driver out first on all distributions,
+to find any breakages before pushing KMS support to upstream
+kernel...
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+I have cloned the kms tree, but haven't yet checked if it applies
+nicely to our kernel or if it builds...
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+If it does, it will be available when core 3.5 kernel lands
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+&gt;<i> But as it's Cauldron, let's see if it works better.
+</I>&gt;<i> That is if someone still has that antiquity
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+just a short question.
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+The x2goserver srpm does create x2goserver, x2goserver-sqlite and
+x2goserver-postgresql.
+Both database sub packages provide x2goserver-database, which is
+required by x2goserver itself.
+The default should be the sqlite version, but urpmi chooses postgresql
+as default (when using the --auto option).
+How can I force the sqlite package to be used as default?
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+<PRE>27.07.2012 11:18, Oliver Burger skrev:
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just a short question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The x2goserver srpm does create x2goserver, x2goserver-sqlite and
+</I>&gt;<i> x2goserver-postgresql.
+</I>&gt;<i> Both database sub packages provide x2goserver-database, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> required by x2goserver itself.
+</I>&gt;<i> The default should be the sqlite version, but urpmi chooses postgresql
+</I>&gt;<i> as default (when using the --auto option).
+</I>&gt;<i> How can I force the sqlite package to be used as default?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+By adding info to prefer.vendor.list in meta-task rpm
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+<PRE>On 27 July 2012 02:34, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Problems:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Cannot skip in mplayer (said to be glibc problem)
+</I>
+It is.
+It first happens when tmb privately offers me to test glibc-2.16.
+Downgrading glibc to 2.14 reliably makes the issue go away.
+Of course, it could be a side effect of the new glibc exposing a
+bug but...
+
+There's nothing interesting in glibc-2.16 branch.
+FC17 works fine with glibc-2.15.
+
+&gt;<i> Usually I can unfreeze X by stopping and starting &quot;dm&quot; (gdm). Sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> I have to reboot or shut the machine down completely (usually when the
+</I>&gt;<i> plymouth/gdm background is garbled).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've updated all the packages, running the latest kernel, latest
+</I>&gt;<i> pulseaudio, etc. As driver, I use nouveau driver. I'm guessing glibc is
+</I>&gt;<i> to blame, but not sure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll try and use strace on GNOME shell + gnome-settings-daemon (volume
+</I>&gt;<i> keys) next time one of them hangs again.
+</I>
+We might try to update again our mesa snapshot.
+There've been recent bug fixes such as for this crasher:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47375">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47375</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 26/07/12 13:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 26/07/12 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm also not sure where the circular dep is (I can't see why filesystem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has to be upgraded to install the newer rpm: but I'll have to do some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tests next week in a VM to see if it comes to light).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The circular dep is easy to understand:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm is linked over perl =&gt; urpmi rpm pull new perl
+</I>&gt;<i> perl have file in /usr/lib =&gt; require new filesystem
+</I>
+How does a file in /usr/lib in perl end up requiring the new filesystem
+package? I don't see any Requires(pre): filesystem &gt; 2.1.9-18 in the
+perl spec. Is there some kind of special handling of &quot;filesystem&quot; somewhere?
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>* Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 26/07/12 13:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Colin Guthrie (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 26/07/12 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm also not sure where the circular dep is (I can't see why filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; has to be upgraded to install the newer rpm: but I'll have to do some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; tests next week in a VM to see if it comes to light).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The circular dep is easy to understand:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rpm is linked over perl =&gt; urpmi rpm pull new perl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; perl have file in /usr/lib =&gt; require new filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How does a file in /usr/lib in perl end up requiring the new filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> package? I don't see any Requires(pre): filesystem &gt; 2.1.9-18 in the
+</I>&gt;<i> perl spec. Is there some kind of special handling of &quot;filesystem&quot; somewhere?
+</I>
+Extend perl to any perl package, including urpmi/draktools, add to this
+all package linked over perl (vim, irssi, etc...).
+One them is enough since the dependency match the exact perl version.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 11:26:05 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 26/07/12 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do think the way we enforce the need of migrate to /usr fs is just an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; abuse of rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; By using the a rpmlib() dependency we create in fact this dependency
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tree:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; filesystem =&gt; rpm with X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir patch =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whereas we want:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; filesystem =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; THere another to perform the check w/o needing patch in rpm (so w/o
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; needing a specific rpm first): using pre script.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If the %pre script failed rpm will refuse to install the rpm, so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; something like that:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; export LC_ALL=C
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [ &quot;`stat /bin -c %F`&quot; == 'symbolic link' ] || exit 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or the same using lua.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is an interesting idea, but I wonder why the redhat guys didn't do
+</I>&gt;<i> it that way so I'll discuss it with them when I get a chance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm also not sure where the circular dep is (I can't see why filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> has to be upgraded to install the newer rpm: but I'll have to do some
+</I>&gt;<i> tests next week in a VM to see if it comes to light).
+</I>As said on irc (#mageia-kde) i've got that when i was upgrading on cauldron :
+
+rpm -qp --requires lib64db5.2-5.2.42-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+filesystem &gt;= 2.1.9-18
+rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) &lt;= 4.0-1
+rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) &lt;= 3.0.4-1
+libc.so.6()(64bit)
+libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.14)(64bit)
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+libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
+libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2)(64bit)
+rtld(GNU_HASH)
+rpmlib(PayloadIsLzma) &lt;= 4.4.6-1
+
+Where lib64db5.2 is required by rpm (lib64rpm3) to get installed, but
+filesystem can't be installed since rpm was not updated to provide this
+filesystem :)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 27/07/12 11:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 11:26:05 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Thauvin at 26/07/12 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I do think the way we enforce the need of migrate to /usr fs is just an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> abuse of rpm.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> By using the a rpmlib() dependency we create in fact this dependency
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tree:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> filesystem =&gt; rpm with X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir patch =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> whereas we want:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> filesystem =&gt; check fs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> THere another to perform the check w/o needing patch in rpm (so w/o
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> needing a specific rpm first): using pre script.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If the %pre script failed rpm will refuse to install the rpm, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something like that:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> export LC_ALL=C
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [ &quot;`stat /bin -c %F`&quot; == 'symbolic link' ] || exit 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or the same using lua.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is an interesting idea, but I wonder why the redhat guys didn't do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it that way so I'll discuss it with them when I get a chance.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm also not sure where the circular dep is (I can't see why filesystem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has to be upgraded to install the newer rpm: but I'll have to do some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tests next week in a VM to see if it comes to light).
+</I>&gt;<i> As said on irc (#mageia-kde) i've got that when i was upgrading on cauldron :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -qp --requires lib64db5.2-5.2.42-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem &gt;= 2.1.9-18
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) &lt;= 4.0-1
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) &lt;= 3.0.4-1
+</I>&gt;<i> libc.so.6()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.14)(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.15)(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3)(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3.4)(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.4)(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libpthread.so.0()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2)(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> rtld(GNU_HASH)
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlib(PayloadIsLzma) &lt;= 4.4.6-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where lib64db5.2 is required by rpm (lib64rpm3) to get installed, but
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem can't be installed since rpm was not updated to provide this
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem :)
+</I>
+Ahh yes, that would do it right enough :p
+
+We can maybe relax the filesystem requirement here if that solves the
+problem, but as Nanar pointed out there could easily be another package
+somewhere in the transaction that will cause problems.
+
+Will certainly ask Kay about the lua %pre suggestion, but I'm not really
+able to do much until mid-next week.
+
+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i> 263611
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i> dams
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-06-25 19:48:03 +0200 (Mon, 25 Jun 2012)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> new version 1.5.7
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-06-25 17:42:45 UTC (rev 263610)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-06-25 17:48:03 UTC (rev 263611)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -19,10 +19,10 @@
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+</I>&gt;<i> # When altering this, make sure the new wine-gecko is submitted or at least
+</I>&gt;<i> # notify its maintainer of the needed update.
+</I>&gt;<i> -%define gecko_version 1.5
+</I>&gt;<i> +%define gecko_version 1.6
+</I>
+Please read the above comment.
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+Our wine-gecko is 1.4 and I haven't gotten any notification. So just
+remember it next time :)
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+&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 11:18, Oliver Burger skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just a short question.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The x2goserver srpm does create x2goserver, x2goserver-sqlite and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x2goserver-postgresql.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Both database sub packages provide x2goserver-database, which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> required by x2goserver itself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The default should be the sqlite version, but urpmi chooses postgresql
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as default (when using the --auto option).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How can I force the sqlite package to be used as default?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By adding info to prefer.vendor.list in meta-task rpm
+</I>
+Or, alternatively, make one provide &quot;x2goserver-database = 1&quot; and the
+other &quot;x2goserver-database = 2&quot;, or something like that. Urpmi will
+choose the higher version by default.
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+<PRE>Le 27/07/2012 13:52, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 25.06.2012 20:48, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 263611
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dams
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012-06-25 19:48:03 +0200 (Mon, 25 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new version 1.5.7
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-06-25 17:42:45 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 263610)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-06-25 17:48:03 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 263611)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -19,10 +19,10 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # When altering this, make sure the new wine-gecko is submitted or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # notify its maintainer of the needed update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%define gecko_version 1.5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%define gecko_version 1.6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please read the above comment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Our wine-gecko is 1.4 and I haven't gotten any notification. So just
+</I>&gt;<i> remember it next time :)
+</I>
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dams at maximus</A> wine]$ rpmbuild -ba SPECS/wine.spec
++ [...]
++ /bin/cat /home/dams/RPM/SOURCES/wine-mgaconf.patch
++ /usr/bin/patch -s -p1 -b --suffix .conf --fuzz=0
+++ sed -rn 's,^#define\s+GECKO_VERSION\s+&quot;([^&quot;]*)&quot;.*$,\1,p'
+dlls/appwiz.cpl/addons.c
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++ '[' 1.6 = 1.4 ']'
++ echo wine-gecko version mismatch
+wine-gecko version mismatch
++ exit 1
+erreur :
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+So... That's why I updated this %define in the time when pushing new
+release of wine... :-/
+--
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+&gt;<i> Le 27/07/2012 13:52, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 25.06.2012 20:48, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 263611
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dams
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012-06-25 19:48:03 +0200 (Mon, 25 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new version 1.5.7
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-06-25 17:42:45 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 263610)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-06-25 17:48:03 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 263611)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -19,10 +19,10 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # When altering this, make sure the new wine-gecko is submitted or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # notify its maintainer of the needed update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -%define gecko_version 1.5
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +%define gecko_version 1.6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please read the above comment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Our wine-gecko is 1.4 and I haven't gotten any notification. So just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> remember it next time :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dams at maximus</A> wine]$ rpmbuild -ba SPECS/wine.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> + [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> + /bin/cat /home/dams/RPM/SOURCES/wine-mgaconf.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> + /usr/bin/patch -s -p1 -b --suffix .conf --fuzz=0
+</I>&gt;<i> ++ sed -rn 's,^#define\s+GECKO_VERSION\s+&quot;([^&quot;]*)&quot;.*$,\1,p'
+</I>&gt;<i> dlls/appwiz.cpl/addons.c
+</I>&gt;<i> + GECKO_VERSION=1.6
+</I>&gt;<i> + '[' 1.6 = 1.4 ']'
+</I>&gt;<i> + echo wine-gecko version mismatch
+</I>&gt;<i> wine-gecko version mismatch
+</I>&gt;<i> + exit 1
+</I>&gt;<i> erreur :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So... That's why I updated this %define in the time when pushing new
+</I>&gt;<i> release of wine... :-/
+</I>
+I didn't say you shouldn't have updated the define, but you should've
+followed what the comment says. I.e. &quot;When altering this, notify
+wine-gecko maintainer or update wine-gecko yourself&quot;. If the comment
+isn't clear enough, feel free to make it clearer (I'm not sure how).
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+<PRE>26.07.2012 20:17, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i> 5228
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i> tv
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-07-26 19:17:41 +0200 (Thu, 26 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libexecdir that changed to %_libdir when mga forked mdv)
+</I>
+
+Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. AFAIK we have always (i.e. on Mageia and
+on Mandriva before Mageia) had %_libexecdir as %_libdir.
+
+The change means that even 64-bit libexec binaries will be put into
+/usr/lib, is that intentional?
+
+
+&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS &lt;#rpmrpmsetuptrunkNEWS&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> * rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/macros.in &lt;#rpmrpmsetuptrunkmacrosin&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS 2012-07-26 17:17:40 UTC (rev 5227)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS 2012-07-26 17:17:41 UTC (rev 5228)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +- fix %_libexecdir that changed to %_libdir when mga forked mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> + (when we merged manbo stuff)
+</I>&gt;<i> - install g-ir-extract-deps in the right place
+</I>&gt;<i> - switch from lzma to xz payload by default (like FC &amp; mdv)
+</I>&gt;<i> (supported since 2008)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/macros.in
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/macros.in 2012-07-26 17:17:40 UTC (rev 5227)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/macros.in 2012-07-26 17:17:41 UTC (rev 5228)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -65,6 +65,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %_localstatedir %{_var}
+</I>&gt;<i> %_logdir %{_var}/log
+</I>&gt;<i> -%_libexecdir %_libdir
+</I>&gt;<i> +%_libexecdir %{_prefix}/lib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %_docdir_fmt %%{NAME}
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>27.07.2012 16:55, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+&gt;<i> 26.07.2012 20:17, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5228
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tv
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012-07-26 19:17:41 +0200 (Thu, 26 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %_libexecdir that changed to %_libdir when mga forked mdv)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. AFAIK we have always (i.e. on Mageia and
+</I>&gt;<i> on Mandriva before Mageia) had %_libexecdir as %_libdir.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep,
+see:
+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup</A>
+
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+
+&gt;<i> The change means that even 64-bit libexec binaries will be put into
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib, is that intentional?
+</I>
+So this change should be reverted imho...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS &lt;#rpmrpmsetuptrunkNEWS&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/macros.in &lt;#rpmrpmsetuptrunkmacrosin&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS 2012-07-26 17:17:40 UTC (rev 5227)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/NEWS 2012-07-26 17:17:41 UTC (rev 5228)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +- fix %_libexecdir that changed to %_libdir when mga forked mdv
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + (when we merged manbo stuff)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - install g-ir-extract-deps in the right place
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - switch from lzma to xz payload by default (like FC &amp; mdv)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (supported since 2008)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/macros.in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/macros.in 2012-07-26 17:17:40 UTC (rev 5227)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ rpm/rpm-setup/trunk/macros.in 2012-07-26 17:17:41 UTC (rev 5228)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -65,6 +65,6 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %_localstatedir %{_var}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %_logdir %{_var}/log
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -%_libexecdir %_libdir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +%_libexecdir %{_prefix}/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %_docdir_fmt %%{NAME}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/07/12 15:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 16:55, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 26.07.2012 20:17, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5228
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012-07-26 19:17:41 +0200 (Thu, 26 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %_libexecdir that changed to %_libdir when mga forked mdv)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. AFAIK we have always (i.e. on Mageia and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on Mandriva before Mageia) had %_libexecdir as %_libdir.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep,
+</I>&gt;<i> see:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The change means that even 64-bit libexec binaries will be put into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib, is that intentional?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So this change should be reverted imho...
+</I>
+While I don't have a massively strong opinion on this topic, the only
+reason we have lib vs lib64 is to avoid name conflicts. If we consider
+libexec binaries as the kind of binary you'd only have installed once
+(i.e. not something you need for each arch, then the libexec dir is
+effectively &quot;a private bin dir&quot; and thus can be the same on both 32 and
+64 bit IMO. So I guess I'd ultimately prefer /usr/lib/ to always be used
+regardless of arch (i.e. one less difference between 32 and 64 bit builds).
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+Col
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+<PRE>27.07.2012 17:12, Colin Guthrie kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/07/12 15:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 16:55, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 26.07.2012 20:17, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5228
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012-07-26 19:17:41 +0200 (Thu, 26 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %_libexecdir that changed to %_libdir when mga forked mdv)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. AFAIK we have always (i.e. on Mageia and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on Mandriva before Mageia) had %_libexecdir as %_libdir.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yep,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The change means that even 64-bit libexec binaries will be put into
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib, is that intentional?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So this change should be reverted imho...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I don't have a massively strong opinion on this topic, the only
+</I>&gt;<i> reason we have lib vs lib64 is to avoid name conflicts. If we consider
+</I>&gt;<i> libexec binaries as the kind of binary you'd only have installed once
+</I>&gt;<i> (i.e. not something you need for each arch, then the libexec dir is
+</I>&gt;<i> effectively &quot;a private bin dir&quot; and thus can be the same on both 32 and
+</I>&gt;<i> 64 bit IMO. So I guess I'd ultimately prefer /usr/lib/ to always be used
+</I>&gt;<i> regardless of arch (i.e. one less difference between 32 and 64 bit builds).
+</I>
++1 on one dir regardless of arch, however the question is if that should
+be /usr/lib or /usr/libexec. On fedora it is the latter, and we seem to
+have some stuff (plymouth ans some others) there also.
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+<PRE>27.07.2012 17:16, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 17:12, Colin Guthrie kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/07/12 15:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 16:55, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 26.07.2012 20:17, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5228
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012-07-26 19:17:41 +0200 (Thu, 26 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %_libexecdir that changed to %_libdir when mga forked mdv)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. AFAIK we have always (i.e. on Mageia and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on Mandriva before Mageia) had %_libexecdir as %_libdir.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yep,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> see:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The change means that even 64-bit libexec binaries will be put into
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib, is that intentional?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So this change should be reverted imho...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While I don't have a massively strong opinion on this topic, the only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason we have lib vs lib64 is to avoid name conflicts. If we consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libexec binaries as the kind of binary you'd only have installed once
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (i.e. not something you need for each arch, then the libexec dir is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> effectively &quot;a private bin dir&quot; and thus can be the same on both 32 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 64 bit IMO. So I guess I'd ultimately prefer /usr/lib/ to always be used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regardless of arch (i.e. one less difference between 32 and 64 bit builds).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 on one dir regardless of arch, however the question is if that should
+</I>&gt;<i> be /usr/lib or /usr/libexec. On fedora it is the latter, and we seem to
+</I>&gt;<i> have some stuff (plymouth ans some others) there also.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+In that case, I'd say /usr/libexec to keep /usr/lib as arch clean as
+possible...
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+And I guess we will catch any name conflicts when we start full rebuild...
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+speaking of that btw... anything missing for that, or should we plan &amp;
+start the full rebuild... ?
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+&gt;<i> speaking of that btw... anything missing for that, or should we plan &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> start the full rebuild... ?
+</I>
+Since this will be my first time ever as packager during a rebuild, how does that work? What do we do?
+How do we know / figure out what packages to rebuild.
+Searching Mageia and Mandriva's wiki pages didn't give any usefull results.
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+&gt;<i> In that case, I'd say /usr/libexec to keep /usr/lib as arch clean as
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+</I>
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+&gt;<i> And I guess we will catch any name conflicts when we start full rebuild...
+</I>
+Some packages probably won't build because they list libexec binaries with
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+rebuild will point out the bad file lists.
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+&gt;<i> Has anyone else notice krunner crashing a lot lately? I noticed it after I did
+</I>&gt;<i> the usr move updates but since there's been other stuff updated I'm not sure it
+</I>&gt;<i> has anything to do with it.
+</I>I don't reproduce it so far (yeah i'm back on caudron :p ).
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+&gt;<i> I get one full crash dialog after I first log into KDE, then after that if I
+</I>&gt;<i> press Alt-F2 krunner will appear but 70% of the time will hang as I'm typing a
+</I>&gt;<i> command or just disappear as I'm typing.
+</I>Anything useful in the backtrace?
+
+&gt;<i> Just thought I'd check to see if it's just a problem with my setup, or if it's
+</I>&gt;<i> more widespread.
+</I>Maybe you can check bugs.kde.org to see if something related is
+reported &amp; if so add me in cc.
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+<PRE>24.07.2012 19:33, Colin Guthrie kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 24/07/12 17:30 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 24 July 2012 11:28, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Some links were broken in / (they work only if cwd is /):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 bin -&gt; usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 bin -&gt; /usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Gou 24 08:30 lib -&gt; usr/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:30 lib64 -&gt; usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:42 lib -&gt; /usr/lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Gou 24 08:42 lib64 -&gt; /usr/lib64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Gou 24 08:30 sbin -&gt; usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Gou 24 08:42 sbin -&gt; /usr/sbin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Note the missing leading &quot;/&quot;...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yup this is intentional. There is no need to a leading /. IMO this is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just a bash bug:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mkdir -p foo/usr/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ln -snf usr/bin foo/bin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ls -l foo/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The above is no different and works fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> yes that's a ls bug that display them as broken
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe this one?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/commit/?id=6124a3842dfa8484b52e067a8ab8105c3875a4f7">http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/commit/?id=6124a3842dfa8484b52e067a8ab8105c3875a4f7</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Certainly sounds like it!
+</I>
+Applied.
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+<PRE>Le 27/07/2012 15:10, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 15:27, Damien Lallement kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 27/07/2012 13:52, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 25.06.2012 20:48, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 263611
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dams
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012-06-25 19:48:03 +0200 (Mon, 25 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> new version 1.5.7
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-06-25 17:42:45 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 263610)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/wine/current/SPECS/wine.spec 2012-06-25 17:48:03 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 263611)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -19,10 +19,10 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # When altering this, make sure the new wine-gecko is submitted or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # notify its maintainer of the needed update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -%define gecko_version 1.5
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +%define gecko_version 1.6
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please read the above comment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Our wine-gecko is 1.4 and I haven't gotten any notification. So just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remember it next time :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dams at maximus</A> wine]$ rpmbuild -ba SPECS/wine.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + /bin/cat /home/dams/RPM/SOURCES/wine-mgaconf.patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + /usr/bin/patch -s -p1 -b --suffix .conf --fuzz=0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ++ sed -rn 's,^#define\s+GECKO_VERSION\s+&quot;([^&quot;]*)&quot;.*$,\1,p'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dlls/appwiz.cpl/addons.c
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + GECKO_VERSION=1.6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + '[' 1.6 = 1.4 ']'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + echo wine-gecko version mismatch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wine-gecko version mismatch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + exit 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> erreur :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So... That's why I updated this %define in the time when pushing new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release of wine... :-/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't say you shouldn't have updated the define, but you should've
+</I>&gt;<i> followed what the comment says. I.e. &quot;When altering this, notify
+</I>&gt;<i> wine-gecko maintainer or update wine-gecko yourself&quot;. If the comment
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't clear enough, feel free to make it clearer (I'm not sure how).
+</I>
+SOrry, I missunderstood your mail. You're right.
+Thanks for the update of wine-gecko! :-)
+/me slaps himself
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/07/12 15:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 17:16, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 17:12, Colin Guthrie kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/07/12 15:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 16:55, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 26.07.2012 20:17, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> kirjoitti:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5228
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012-07-26 19:17:41 +0200 (Thu, 26 Jul 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %_libexecdir that changed to %_libdir when mga forked mdv)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. AFAIK we have always (i.e. on Mageia and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on Mandriva before Mageia) had %_libexecdir as %_libdir.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yep,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> see:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup">http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/packages/updates/2010.1/rpm-manbo-setup/current/SOURCES/manbo.macros?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The change means that even 64-bit libexec binaries will be put into
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib, is that intentional?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So this change should be reverted imho...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While I don't have a massively strong opinion on this topic, the only
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reason we have lib vs lib64 is to avoid name conflicts. If we consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libexec binaries as the kind of binary you'd only have installed once
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (i.e. not something you need for each arch, then the libexec dir is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> effectively &quot;a private bin dir&quot; and thus can be the same on both 32 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 64 bit IMO. So I guess I'd ultimately prefer /usr/lib/ to always be used
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regardless of arch (i.e. one less difference between 32 and 64 bit builds).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1 on one dir regardless of arch, however the question is if that should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be /usr/lib or /usr/libexec. On fedora it is the latter, and we seem to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have some stuff (plymouth ans some others) there also.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well some packages override this e.g.:
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=systemd.git;a=blob;f=systemd.spec;hb=HEAD#l164">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=systemd.git;a=blob;f=systemd.spec;hb=HEAD#l164</A>
+
+Maybe worth asking Kay about that in #systemd to see if there is an
+argument against using /usr/libexec more generally?
+
+&gt;<i> In that case, I'd say /usr/libexec to keep /usr/lib as arch clean as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible...
+</I>
+Assuming we're not missing something, yes, I agree.
+
+&gt;<i> And I guess we will catch any name conflicts when we start full rebuild...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> speaking of that btw... anything missing for that, or should we plan &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> start the full rebuild... ?
+</I>
+I think all the things I wanted to do before the rebuild are in place so
+I'm certainly fine with it.
+
+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 27 July 2012 16:21, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> speaking of that btw... anything missing for that, or should we plan &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start the full rebuild... ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since this will be my first time ever as packager during a rebuild, how does that work? What do we do?
+</I>&gt;<i> How do we know / figure out what packages to rebuild.
+</I>&gt;<i> Searching Mageia and Mandriva's wiki pages didn't give any usefull results.
+</I>
+Basically it'll be scripted. But there will be several rebuild errors
+resulting from this and we would hope packagers will be able to help fix
+their (and the unmaintained) packages.
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+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Le 27/07/2012 15:10, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please read the above comment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Our wine-gecko is 1.4 and I haven't gotten any notification. So just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remember it next time :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> SOrry, I missunderstood your mail. You're right.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the update of wine-gecko! :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> /me slaps himself
+</I>
+Please also address the issue of a similar initial Wine popup
+complaining that it can't find a usable mono. The current mono is
+installed on my system, but apparently has the same problem being
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+&gt;<i> On 07/27/2012 11:04 AM, Damien Lallement wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 27/07/2012 15:10, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please read the above comment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Our wine-gecko is 1.4 and I haven't gotten any notification. So just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> remember it next time :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SOrry, I missunderstood your mail. You're right.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the update of wine-gecko! :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /me slaps himself
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please also address the issue of a similar initial Wine popup
+</I>&gt;<i> complaining that it can't find a usable mono. The current mono is
+</I>&gt;<i> installed on my system, but apparently has the same problem being
+</I>&gt;<i> recognized as gecko.
+</I>
+Thanks, will look into it. (I guess I had installed it at some point and
+forgot it)
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+&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 19:18, Frank Griffin kirjoitti:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please also address the issue of a similar initial Wine popup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> complaining that it can't find a usable mono. The current mono is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed on my system, but apparently has the same problem being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recognized as gecko.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, will look into it. (I guess I had installed it at some point and
+</I>&gt;<i> forgot it)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The mono prompts are relatively recent, probably introduced in the last
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+&gt;<i> And I guess we will catch any name conflicts when we start full rebuild...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> speaking of that btw... anything missing for that, or should we plan &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> start the full rebuild... ?
+</I>You mean in the week end eventually ?
+Just to adapt myself since kde 4.9.0 is expected to be release on
+wednesday i was thinking initially to commit the 4.9.0 tarball on
+monday but if the rebuild is later than this week i want to avoid
+having final tarball pushed when it's not released.
+
+Regards,
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+--
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 03:27:52PM -0700, Jeff Robins wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure if that will work. CUPS doesn't have a driver for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> device and it's not really a printer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It just uses the USB printer class. It's used to cut shapes into or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out of paper. This includes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moving the blade up and down. I looked at the program and I thinks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> its sending G-code, which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> used for CNC work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CUPS has a rule to send raw binary data directly to the device without
+</I>&gt;<i> interpreting it first. If this device emulates a printer at the USB
+</I>&gt;<i> level, it ought to work. At worst, you may have to add the -oraw option
+</I>&gt;<i> or add a rule to /usr/share/cups/mime/mime.convs to force cups to treat
+</I>&gt;<i> the data as &quot;raw binary&quot; (instead of text, for example) so it's sent
+</I>&gt;<i> directly to the printer instead of being rasterized first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+USBLP worked for getting the Wishblade detected. If I can get the
+rest of it working, then I'll try popen().
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+Thank you all for the help.
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+--Jeff
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+&gt;<i> speaking of that btw... anything missing for that, or should we plan &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> start the full rebuild... ?
+</I>
+Please wait.
+Here's what I have yet to commit/upload:
+Version 1.152 - 27 Jul 2012, by Thierry Vignaud
+- add support for mini debug packages
+ (<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo</A>)
+- fix typo that breaks emiting maven provides
+- document Mageia divergences with upstream
+- generate a perlapi-&lt;version&gt; provide when libperl.so is found
+ (inspirated from mdv (pok))
+- sync brp-compress with upstream rpm.org:
+ o add *.xz and *.lzma recompress support
+ o avoid some unnecessary command invocations in scripts
+ o make sure brp-compress doesn't go interactive in corner cases
+- sync find-debuginfo.sh with upstream rpm.org:
+ o add -r flag to find-debuginfo.sh to invoke eu-strip --reloc-debug-sections
+ (Mark Wielaard, 2011-05-25)
+ o create GDB index from find-debuginfo if possible (Tom Tromey, RhBug:617166)
+ o drop useless rpm5 bits (less divergence with upstream)
+ o generate debug symlinks for all filenames sharing a build-id (RhBug:641377)
+ o fix behavior on cross-directory hardlinks (RhBug:618426)
+- kill unused find-provides.perl.in
+- prevent RPM_BUILD_ROOT to break brp-* scripts if it contains spaces
+ (rpm.org#843)
+- use upstream brp-strip* as we provided older versions of upstream
+
+The question is: should we enable minidebuginfo by default?
+This adds 1-3% to each package but it makes us have usefufull traces by default
+(at least with function names)
+Not as good as having debug packages installed by default, but still better.
+This is enabled in FC18.
+
+Do we enable this?
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+<PRE>On 27 July 2012 15:55, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %_libexecdir that changed to %_libdir when mga forked mdv)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. AFAIK we have always (i.e. on Mageia and
+</I>&gt;<i> on Mandriva before Mageia) had %_libexecdir as %_libdir.
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+It appears the mdv chroot I tested was 32bit and not 64bit :-(
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+&gt;&gt;<i> speaking of that btw... anything missing for that, or should we plan &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start the full rebuild... ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please wait.
+</I>&gt;<i> Here's what I have yet to commit/upload:
+</I>
+Just done
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+&gt;<i> Version 1.152 - 27 Jul 2012, by Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> - add support for mini debug packages
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix typo that breaks emiting maven provides
+</I>&gt;<i> - document Mageia divergences with upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> - generate a perlapi-&lt;version&gt; provide when libperl.so is found
+</I>&gt;<i> (inspirated from mdv (pok))
+</I>&gt;<i> - sync brp-compress with upstream rpm.org:
+</I>&gt;<i> o add *.xz and *.lzma recompress support
+</I>&gt;<i> o avoid some unnecessary command invocations in scripts
+</I>&gt;<i> o make sure brp-compress doesn't go interactive in corner cases
+</I>&gt;<i> - sync find-debuginfo.sh with upstream rpm.org:
+</I>&gt;<i> o add -r flag to find-debuginfo.sh to invoke eu-strip --reloc-debug-sections
+</I>&gt;<i> (Mark Wielaard, 2011-05-25)
+</I>&gt;<i> o create GDB index from find-debuginfo if possible (Tom Tromey, RhBug:617166)
+</I>&gt;<i> o drop useless rpm5 bits (less divergence with upstream)
+</I>&gt;<i> o generate debug symlinks for all filenames sharing a build-id (RhBug:641377)
+</I>&gt;<i> o fix behavior on cross-directory hardlinks (RhBug:618426)
+</I>&gt;<i> - kill unused find-provides.perl.in
+</I>&gt;<i> - prevent RPM_BUILD_ROOT to break brp-* scripts if it contains spaces
+</I>&gt;<i> (rpm.org#843)
+</I>&gt;<i> - use upstream brp-strip* as we provided older versions of upstream
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The question is: should we enable minidebuginfo by default?
+</I>&gt;<i> This adds 1-3% to each package but it makes us have usefufull traces by default
+</I>&gt;<i> (at least with function names)
+</I>&gt;<i> Not as good as having debug packages installed by default, but still better.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is enabled in FC18.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do we enable this?
+</I>
+See <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MiniDebugInfo</A>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 27/07/12 15:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 27.07.2012 17:16, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +1 on one dir regardless of arch, however the question is if that should
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be /usr/lib or /usr/libexec. On fedora it is the latter, and we seem to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have some stuff (plymouth ans some others) there also.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well some packages override this e.g.:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=systemd.git;a=blob;f=systemd.spec;hb=HEAD#l164">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=systemd.git;a=blob;f=systemd.spec;hb=HEAD#l164</A>
+</I>
+I built systemd with _libexecdir set to /usr/libexec and saw no
+problems (nothing ended up there), so maybe an old issue that is fixed by
+now.
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+&gt;<i> The question is: should we enable minidebuginfo by default?
+</I>&gt;<i> This adds 1-3% to each package but it makes us have usefufull traces by default
+</I>&gt;<i> (at least with function names)
+</I>&gt;<i> Not as good as having debug packages installed by default, but still better.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is enabled in FC18.
+</I>
+Tough question:
+- Do we have bugs not being solved because the reporter doesn't install
+ debug packages?
+- Can we spare this space on the DVDs? My guess is no but I don't build
+ (nor use) them.
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+For cauldron we can expect people to install debug packages when
+necessary.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 27 juillet 2012 21:43:36 Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The question is: should we enable minidebuginfo by default?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This adds 1-3% to each package but it makes us have usefufull traces by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; default (at least with function names)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Not as good as having debug packages installed by default, but still
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; better. This is enabled in FC18.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tough question:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Do we have bugs not being solved because the reporter doesn't install
+</I>&gt;<i> debug packages?
+</I>
+kde bugreports often requires debug packages and users 98% of the time don't
+do because they don't have time or don't know how to proceed.
+
+This would help us a lot.
+
+&gt;<i> - Can we spare this space on the DVDs? My guess is no but I don't build
+</I>&gt;<i> (nor use) them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For cauldron we can expect people to install debug packages when
+</I>&gt;<i> necessary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
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+I have followed the instructions on mageia wiki about moving to /usr
+and now exists some problem when running some applications, for
+example when running empathy it freezes, this is the cli output:
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+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
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+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
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+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
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+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
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+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CONTEXT_CREATE failed: Invalid argument
+DRM_IOCTL_I915_GEM_CONTEXT_CREATE failed: Invalid argument
+Fontconfig warning: &quot;/etc/fonts/conf.d/20-mdv-CJK-dualwidth.conf&quot;,
+line 17: Having multiple values in &lt;test&gt; isn't supported and may not
+works as expected
+Fontconfig warning:
+&quot;/etc/fonts/conf.d/25-mdv-CJK-disable-hinting.conf&quot;, line 15: Having
+multiple values in &lt;test&gt; isn't supported and may not works as
+expected
+Fontconfig warning: &quot;/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf&quot;, line 9: reading
+configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
+Fontconfig warning: &quot;/etc/fonts/conf.d/85-wqy-bitmapsong.conf&quot;, line
+33: Having multiple values in &lt;test&gt; isn't supported and may not works
+as expected
+Fontconfig warning: &quot;/etc/fonts/conf.d/85-wqy-bitmapsong.conf&quot;, line
+52: Having multiple values in &lt;test&gt; isn't supported and may not works
+as expected
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
+
+** (empathy:12876): CRITICAL **: unable to create file
+'/run/user/500/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work
+properly.
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+ <I>Fri Jul 27 22:26:31 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On 25 June 2012 09:25, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 5019 Author fwang Date 2012-06-25 09:25:45 +0200 (Mon, 25 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This break translations.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please fix translations w/o fuzzying them.
+</I>&gt;<i> Else would replace the 2nd &quot;Mga&quot; by &quot;Mga linux&quot;.
+</I>
+I don't think that the distribution should be referred as &quot;Mageia
+Linux&quot;, it's just &quot;Mageia&quot;.
+Better drop the 2nd wording, as already done.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/messages.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -\&quot;Mageia\&quot;, \&quot;Mageia\&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +\&quot;Mageia\&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia
+</I>
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>On 27 July 2012 21:43, Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> This adds 1-3% to each package but it makes us have usefufull traces by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> default &gt;&gt; (at least with function names)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not as good as having debug packages installed by default, but still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is enabled in FC18.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tough question:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Do we have bugs not being solved because the reporter doesn't install
+</I>&gt;<i> debug packages?
+</I>
+We've bugs where people never answer when asked to install those.
+There're newbies who fail to install them despite some.
+There're quantic bugs that happen to quite some people but are not
+easy reproduced so it's too late when people install debug packages
+or it won't reproduce in gdb in 20 rounds.
+Or if they happen to reproduce a month later, the debug packages are
+then too old.
+
+And that was for our C/perl tools.
+For C++ stuff, it's worse w/o debug info.
+
+Also, quoting Fedora:
+&quot;Install minimal debuginfo by default to increase quality of bug
+reports and allow easier support for profiling and user space tracing.
+(...)
+We get better bug reports by default, even when offline or on a bad
+link, without users having to wait while downloading large amounts of
+data, or having to send possibly privacy sensitive core information to
+anyone. Additionally this will work for all packages built on the
+system (not only the official packages, but also site-specific
+packages) and will work with or without ABRT (some sites may not want
+to send bug reports to ABRT but collect them locally).
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+It will also make it easier to do things like system wide profiling,
+userspace dynamic probes and causual debugging.
+(...)
+Fedora 18 ships with a small subset of debug information by default.
+Full debug information is still available in the debuginfo packages. &quot;
+
+&gt;<i> - Can we spare this space on the DVDs? My guess is no but I don't build
+</I>&gt;<i> (nor use) them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For cauldron we can expect people to install debug packages when necessary.
+</I>
+Well, see above, in years I've see strange &quot;quantic&quot; bugs that
+happened to quite some
+people but nearly noone could reproduce which took years to kill bits
+by bits in eg: perl.
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+<PRE>On 27 July 2012 22:26, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This break translations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please fix translations w/o fuzzying them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Else would replace the 2nd &quot;Mga&quot; by &quot;Mga linux&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think that the distribution should be referred as &quot;Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux&quot;, it's just &quot;Mageia&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Better drop the 2nd wording, as already done.
+</I>
+That needs more complex adjustment in translations.
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 02:34:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'll try and use strace on GNOME shell + gnome-settings-daemon (volume
+</I>&gt;<i> keys) next time one of them hangs again.
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+strace shows that it is waiting on some futex...
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Problems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Cannot skip in mplayer (said to be glibc problem)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is some problem im GTK sliders themselves. If I click in the
+</I>&gt;<i> middle of the slider to advance a full page, nothing happens, in several
+</I>&gt;<i> applications. For example, try rithmbox and push in the song time slider:
+</I>&gt;<i> it allows you to move the window (???) instead of skipping. Totem simply
+</I>&gt;<i> blocks. Curiously, in my case GnomeMplayer at least moves the slider,
+</I>&gt;<i> but media stops playing...
+</I>
+I don't think it is related to GTK, I experience freeze (since a few
+days) in lots of audio applications: mplayer, totem, rhythmbox, and even
+mpg123 once
+
+pulseaudio strikes again? (we updated it to 2.1 a few ago)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Switching between apps or workspaces using alt+tab, alt+~,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ctrl+alt+up/down makes GNOME shell hang. I'm currently avoiding
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> workspaces all together, because when I switch between workspaces, GNOME
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shell can easily hang within 5 minutes.
+</I>
+This is not a gnome-shell issue, I can reproduce it in Gnome classic
+(metacity + gnome-panel).
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+&gt;<i> On 27 July 2012 22:26, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This break translations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please fix translations w/o fuzzying them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Else would replace the 2nd &quot;Mga&quot; by &quot;Mga linux&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think that the distribution should be referred as &quot;Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux&quot;, it's just &quot;Mageia&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Better drop the 2nd wording, as already done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That needs more complex adjustment in translations.
+</I>
+Yes, but we should not keep an incorrect wording just to keep the
+translations. And we are not even close to a final release, it is a
+suitable time to break strings.
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 02:34:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll try and use strace on GNOME shell + gnome-settings-daemon (volume
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> keys) next time one of them hangs again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> strace shows that it is waiting on some futex...
+</I>
+Which one? gnome-settings-daemon?
+gdb --pid can be used to get a stack trace then
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+&gt;<i> On 27 July 2012 02:34, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Problems:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. Cannot skip in mplayer (said to be glibc problem)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is.
+</I>&gt;<i> It first happens when tmb privately offers me to test glibc-2.16.
+</I>&gt;<i> Downgrading glibc to 2.14 reliably makes the issue go away.
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, it could be a side effect of the new glibc exposing a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug but...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's nothing interesting in glibc-2.16 branch.
+</I>&gt;<i> FC17 works fine with glibc-2.15.
+</I>
+When mplayer hangs while skipping through a video, strace shows:
+futex(0x25ec004, FUTEX_WAIT_REQUEUE_PI_PRIVATE, 17, NULL, 0x25ec9d0
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+When GNOME shell last hanged the screen completely, strace also had
+something like above:
+futex(XXXX, FUTEX_WAIT_REQUEUE_PI_PRIVATE, 17, NULL, XXX
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+
+Pretty sure the 17 + FUTEX_WAIT_REQUEUE_PI_PRIVATE were the same.
+
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+Are we missing maybe some glibc patches that Fedora did apply?
+
+Note: I'm wondering if futex is glibc or kernel material. But as I
+removed all old kernels, cannot test that theory anyway.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 02:34:00AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'll try and use strace on GNOME shell + gnome-settings-daemon (volume
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; keys) next time one of them hangs again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; strace shows that it is waiting on some futex...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which one? gnome-settings-daemon?
+</I>&gt;<i> gdb --pid can be used to get a stack trace then
+</I>
+GNOME shell. Didn't think of making a stack trace. Will do so next
+time.. though hope that isn't any time soon. The hangs are getting on my
+nerves.
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 25 June 2012 09:25, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 5019 Author fwang Date 2012-06-25 09:25:45 +0200 (Mon, 25 Jun 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This break translations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please fix translations w/o fuzzying them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Else would replace the 2nd &quot;Mga&quot; by &quot;Mga linux&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think that the distribution should be referred as &quot;Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux&quot;, it's just &quot;Mageia&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Better drop the 2nd wording, as already done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/messages.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -\&quot;Mageia\&quot;, \&quot;Mageia\&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +\&quot;Mageia\&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Should that not read &quot;....are trademarks of Mageia.Org&quot;?
+
+Mageia is the distro, but I think that Mageia.Org is the legal entity,
+which owns the trademarks.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/messages.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -\&quot;Mageia\&quot;, \&quot;Mageia\&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +\&quot;Mageia\&quot; and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia
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+</I>&gt;<i> Should that not read &quot;....are trademarks of Mageia.Org&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia is the distro, but I think that Mageia.Org is the legal entity,
+</I>&gt;<i> which owns the trademarks.
+</I>
+Right.
+We may also split both names out of the string, using %s, to make
+further changes easier, if needed
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:28:59 -0300
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> John Balcaen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0174.html">http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0174.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 0.8.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; + Revision: 266270
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - disable static
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - update file list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - new version 0.8.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This package is wrongly packaged pulling some devel files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It should be split telepathy-salut And telepathy-salut-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> with file list as follows
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %files -n %name
+</I>&gt;<i> %doc docs/clique.xml NEWS README
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/telepathy/salut-*/plugins
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/telepathy/salut-*/*/libsalut-plugins-0.8.0.so
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libdir}/telepathy/salut-*/*/libwocky-telepathy-salut-0.8.0.so
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_libexecdir}/telepathy-salut
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_mandir}/man8/telepathy-salut.8.*
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_datadir}/dbus-1/services/*.service
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_datadir}/telepathy/managers/salut.manager
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %files -n %name-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libdir/telepathy/salut-0/lib/*.la
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libdir/telepathy/salut-0/lib/libsalut-plugins.so
+</I>&gt;<i> %_libdir/telepathy/salut-0/lib/libwocky.so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *.la can/should be removed with
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f %buildroot%_libdir/telepathy/salut-0/lib/*.la
+</I>&gt;<i> (it is currently included, --disable-shared can not be used as it
+</I>&gt;<i> breaks the build because included Wocky is used)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Charles
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+i just fixed this using your ideas.
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+thank you.
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+Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm proud to announce that Cesar Vargas (vaci0), one of blogdrake's
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers just got submit rights and will be leaving the padawan ranks
+</I>&gt;<i> to become another jedi :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome to the Mageia packaging team !!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>Thank you very much Juan Luis, this is thanks to your mentoring.
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+Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome to the Mageia packaging team !!
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+&gt;<i> guillomovitch &lt;guillomovitch&gt; 6:2.16-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 275194
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop sysinit support
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+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for kernel 3.5 series
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+<PRE>Am 26.07.2012 14:15, schrieb Glen Ogilvie:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Glen Ogilvie at 24/07/12 11:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 03/05/12 17:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 03/05/12 15:37 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should probably apply the below libvdpau workaround for Adobe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Flash issues, for both mga2 and mga1, WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea. I tend to trust Stephen's work generally, even
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if I don't know much about the VDPAU issues specifically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Don't think these were ever pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just tested this patch on a machine that is half built here. It worked
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK provided you also include the only commit from git master since 0.4.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Seemed to work OK for me, but haven't managed to test too much yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you happen to have an SRPM or RPM for mageia2 I could test? I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have a system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that suffers from the problem this patch fixes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can try the srpm from here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/libvdpau-0.4.1-3.1.csg3.src.rpm">http://colin.guthr.ie/libvdpau-0.4.1-3.1.csg3.src.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There may very well be newer updates and releases now, I've not checked.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All I did was add the only patch from git master:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and then apply the other patch on top.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They are both in the srpm.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've tested the SRPM above it on my system and it resolves the blue
+</I>&gt;<i> tint issue. Thank you. Hope someone can get this into Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> testing for others to test.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> Glen Ogilvie
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Following up on this, this also solved the &quot;blue tint&quot; issue for me,
+and also that the flash overlay shows f.ex. in konsole windows and
+similar things.
+
+Shouldn't we put out an update for Mageia 2 at least for this issue?
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+<PRE>Am 08.06.2012 12:53, schrieb Marja van Waes:
+&gt;<i> On 08-06-12 11:29, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 07-06-12 09:41, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> AFAIK, there isn't an easy way to find the last sign of life of a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer in our Bugzilla, I use the bugzilla-daemon mails for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The last sign of life of:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> supp (Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl) was on *2011-11-24* when he changed the status of bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3429 to ASSIGNED
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shikamaru (R&#233;my Clouard) was on 2012-05-31, when he commented in bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2822. That looks like he's still alive, however, his last sign of life
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a &quot;ruby-*&quot; bug was on *2011-10-22*, in bug 3070
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cjw alias spturtle (Christiaan Welvaart) was on *2011-12-30*, when he
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commented in bug 2157
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dlucio (Daniel Lucio, AKA Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz) *2012-04-28* when he
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> closed bug 5605 as fixed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> He mentioned he had problems with email, but now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [11:28] &lt;xochiquetzal&gt; dlucio was last seen in #mageia-dev 67 days 7
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hours ago saying &quot;whos fixing mysql-admin?&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lol: another one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> erwan (Erwan Velu) *2011-10-05*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @ Erwan I know you're not dead, can you please have a look at bugs 44, 2038
+</I>&gt;<i> and 2652..... or tell us if you're too busy or whatever and they should be
+</I>&gt;<i> reassigned?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>To be fair, supp recently dropped one of the packages
+which had him listed as maintainer (hplip). Apart from that, i've never
+saw him in action.
+
+spturtle recently just got active again, put out an update for iceape
+for Mageia 1 and just helped to get out an firefox beta build.
+
+shikamaru was already away for quite some time, and currently
+the whole ruby stack in Mageia 2 is unmaintained, AFAIK.
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+<PRE>On 28/07/12 12:45, Florian Hubold wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 08.06.2012 12:53, schrieb Marja van Waes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 08-06-12 11:29, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 07-06-12 09:41, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> AFAIK, there isn't an easy way to find the last sign of life of a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer in our Bugzilla, I use the bugzilla-daemon mails for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The last sign of life of:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> supp (Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl) was on *2011-11-24* when he changed the status of bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3429 to ASSIGNED
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shikamaru (R&#233;my Clouard) was on 2012-05-31, when he commented in bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2822. That looks like he's still alive, however, his last sign of life
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a &quot;ruby-*&quot; bug was on *2011-10-22*, in bug 3070
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cjw alias spturtle (Christiaan Welvaart) was on *2011-12-30*, when he
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> commented in bug 2157
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Another one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dlucio (Daniel Lucio, AKA Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz) *2012-04-28* when he
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> closed bug 5605 as fixed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> He mentioned he had problems with email, but now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [11:28] &lt;xochiquetzal&gt; dlucio was last seen in #mageia-dev 67 days 7
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hours ago saying &quot;whos fixing mysql-admin?&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lol: another one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> erwan (Erwan Velu) *2011-10-05*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @ Erwan I know you're not dead, can you please have a look at bugs 44, 2038
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and 2652..... or tell us if you're too busy or whatever and they should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reassigned?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To be fair, supp recently dropped one of the packages
+</I>&gt;<i> which had him listed as maintainer (hplip). Apart from that, i've never
+</I>&gt;<i> saw him in action.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> spturtle recently just got active again, put out an update for iceape
+</I>&gt;<i> for Mageia 1 and just helped to get out an firefox beta build.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> shikamaru was already away for quite some time, and currently
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole ruby stack in Mageia 2 is unmaintained, AFAIK.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Supp released an update for 2 not so long ago (If I've got the right
+person).
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6649">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6649</A>
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+[RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3:
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+&gt;<i>Name : kernel Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i>Version : 3.5.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i>Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sat Jul 28
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+In combination with fglrx-8.980.3.mga3 I cannot start X, nor change to
+another tty. But on my laptop which uses nouveau, I have no problem:
+
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+The only thing I can find in the logs which is different from before is
+this:
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+Jul 28 09:45:31 dvg kernel: [ 13.289114] ACPI Warning:
+0x0000000000000830-0x0000000000000833 SystemIO conflicts with Region \PMRG
+1 (20120320/utaddress-251)
+Jul 28 09:45:31 dvg kernel: [ 13.289118] ACPI Warning:
+0x0000000000000830-0x0000000000000833 SystemIO conflicts with Region
+\_SB_.PCI0.SBRG.SMIE 2 (20120320/utaddress-251)
+Jul 28 09:45:31 dvg kernel: [ 13.289122] lpc_ich: Resource conflict(s)
+found affecting iTCO_wdt
+Jul 28 09:45:31 dvg kernel: [ 13.289124] ACPI Warning:
+0x0000000000000828-0x000000000000082f SystemIO conflicts with Region \PMRG
+1 (20120320/utaddress-251)
+Jul 28 09:45:31 dvg kernel: [ 13.289128] ACPI Warning:
+0x0000000000000500-0x000000000000053f SystemIO conflicts with Region \GPS0
+1 (20120320/utaddress-251)
+Jul 28 09:45:31 dvg kernel:[ 13.289131] lpc_ich: Resource conflict(s)
+found affecting gpio_ich
+Jul 28 09:45:31 dvg kernel: [ 13.558339] ACPI Warning:
+0x0000000000000400-0x000000000000041f SystemIO conflicts with Region \SMRG
+1 (20120320/utaddress-251)
+
+while if using the older kernels I only get this:
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+Jul 28 09:50:18 dvg kernel: [ 14.724078] ACPI Warning:
+0x0000000000000400-0x000000000000041f SystemIO conflicts with Region \SMRG
+1 (20120320/utaddress-251)
+Jul 28 09:50:18 dvg kernel: [ 38.563510] ACPI
+Warning: 0x0000000000000295-0x0000000000000296 SystemIO conflicts with
+Region \_SB_.PCI0.SBRG.SIOR.HWRE 1 (20120320/utaddress-251)
+
+but I see no real problems anywhere with the older kernels.
+
+What am I missing?
+
+Thanks in advance for any advice!
+
+Regards,
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+<PRE>Am 25.07.2012 20:05, schrieb Christiaan Welvaart:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Jeff Robins wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> usblp is blacklisted but you may find using modprobe usblp cures it for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you. If it does then comment it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-cups-common.conf or remove that file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll give that a try. Is there a better/newer way to access the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> device? I'd like to update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and fix the program if possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The blacklisting is not needed anymore with recent cups(?) according to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/902970/comments/12">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/902970/comments/12</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so removing the file from the cups package should be the solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Are you sure we have the exact same cups usb backend as
+in recent *buntu versions? AFAIK usblp caused some segfaults and
+crashes, so it was blacklisted by default. But if any program loads
+it explicitely, it will work.
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+<PRE>28.07.2012 14:32, Florian Hubold kirjoitti:
+&gt;<i> Am 26.07.2012 14:15, schrieb Glen Ogilvie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Glen Ogilvie at 24/07/12 11:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 03/05/12 17:00 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 03/05/12 15:37 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should probably apply the below libvdpau workaround for Adobe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Flash issues, for both mga2 and mga1, WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea. I tend to trust Stephen's work generally, even
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if I don't know much about the VDPAU issues specifically.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Don't think these were ever pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just tested this patch on a machine that is half built here. It worked
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK provided you also include the only commit from git master since 0.4.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Seemed to work OK for me, but haven't managed to test too much yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Colin,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you happen to have an SRPM or RPM for mageia2 I could test? I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have a system
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that suffers from the problem this patch fixes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can try the srpm from here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/libvdpau-0.4.1-3.1.csg3.src.rpm">http://colin.guthr.ie/libvdpau-0.4.1-3.1.csg3.src.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There may very well be newer updates and releases now, I've not checked.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All I did was add the only patch from git master:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/libvdpau/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and then apply the other patch on top.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> They are both in the srpm.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've tested the SRPM above it on my system and it resolves the blue
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tint issue. Thank you. Hope someone can get this into Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> testing for others to test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Glen Ogilvie
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following up on this, this also solved the &quot;blue tint&quot; issue for me,
+</I>&gt;<i> and also that the flash overlay shows f.ex. in konsole windows and
+</I>&gt;<i> similar things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shouldn't we put out an update for Mageia 2 at least for this issue?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Submitted to cooker,mga2,mga1, update request here:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892</A>
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+I also added support for konqueror and opera into the workaround.
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+<PRE>2012/7/28 Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Submitted to cooker,mga2,mga1, update request here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also added support for konqueror and opera into the workaround.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for including these two browsers, i use konqueror and my wife uses
+opera
+:<i>)
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Am 25.07.2012 20:05, schrieb Christiaan Welvaart:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Jeff Robins wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> usblp is blacklisted but you may find using modprobe usblp cures it for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you. If it does then comment it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-cups-common.conf or remove that file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'll give that a try. Is there a better/newer way to access the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> device? I'd like to update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and fix the program if possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The blacklisting is not needed anymore with recent cups(?) according to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/902970/comments/12">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/902970/comments/12</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so removing the file from the cups package should be the solution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you sure we have the exact same cups usb backend as
+</I>&gt;<i> in recent *buntu versions? AFAIK usblp caused some segfaults and
+</I>&gt;<i> crashes, so it was blacklisted by default. But if any program loads
+</I>&gt;<i> it explicitely, it will work.
+</I>
+No, but I plan to update cups to 1.5.4 which has those fixes for usb
+AFAICT, see <A HREF="http://www.cups.org/str.php?L4128">http://www.cups.org/str.php?L4128</A> . My printer is connected
+through my LAN so can't easily test usb access, however.
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+&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 3.5.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 275103
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix perf build with glibc-2.16
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix unionfs build with 3.5 series kernels
+</I>&gt;<i> - rediff mrproper patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - update defconfigs
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop merged patches
+</I>&gt;<i> - rediff unionfs patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - add include/memory/ to -devel and -source filelists
+</I>&gt;<i> - update to 3.5
+</I>
+Could you enable fontswap &amp; zcache please?
+Thx
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012, Florian Hubold wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 25.07.2012 20:05, schrieb Christiaan Welvaart:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Jeff Robins wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> usblp is blacklisted but you may find using modprobe usblp cures it for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you. If it does then comment it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-cups-common.conf or remove that file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'll give that a try. Is there a better/newer way to access the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> device? I'd like to update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and fix the program if possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The blacklisting is not needed anymore with recent cups(?) according to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/902970/comments/12">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/902970/comments/12</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so removing the file from the cups package should be the solution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are you sure we have the exact same cups usb backend as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in recent *buntu versions? AFAIK usblp caused some segfaults and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> crashes, so it was blacklisted by default. But if any program loads
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it explicitely, it will work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, but I plan to update cups to 1.5.4 which has those fixes for usb AFAICT,
+</I>&gt;<i> see <A HREF="http://www.cups.org/str.php?L4128">http://www.cups.org/str.php?L4128</A> .
+</I>Maintenance of cups is greatly appreciated, thanks ;)
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 23:40:34 -0500
+</I>&gt;<i> Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm proud to announce that Cesar Vargas (vaci0), one of blogdrake's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packagers just got submit rights and will be leaving the padawan ranks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to become another jedi :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please welcome to the Mageia packaging team !!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Congratulations! And welcome aboard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Congratulations, also to Juancho for his continuous
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/7/28 Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Submitted to cooker,mga2,mga1, update request here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also added support for konqueror and opera into the workaround.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for including these two browsers, i use konqueror and my wife uses opera
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Anssi, you're awesome as always, thanks :)
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:40:34PM -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
+&gt;<i> Please welcome to the Mageia packaging team !!
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+&gt;<i> gdb --pid can be used to get a stack trace then
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+gnome-shell:
+
+The hang is in thread 1. Hangs in glibc, with Pulseaudio calling it.
+Seems exactly like the mplayer issue. I've seen this hang before
+Pulseaudio 2.1.
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+Thread 6 (Thread 0x7f97472ae700 (LWP 2368)):
+#0 0x00007f975a44c85d in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
+#1 0x00007f975a978c34 in g_main_context_poll (n_fds=5, fds=0x7f974000b660, timeout=-1, context=0x21663f0, priority=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at gmain.c:3560
+#2 g_main_context_iterate (context=0x21663f0, block=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">block at entry</A>=1, dispatch=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dispatch at entry</A>=1, self=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at gmain.c:3261
+#3 0x00007f975a979092 in g_main_loop_run (loop=0x2166310) at gmain.c:3460
+#4 0x00007f975af4b026 in gdbus_shared_thread_func (user_data=0x21663c0) at gdbusprivate.c:277
+#5 0x00007f975a99b9e5 in g_thread_proxy (data=0x2164140) at gthread.c:801
+#6 0x00007f975a71cd18 in start_thread (arg=0x7f97472ae700) at pthread_create.c:308
+#7 0x00007f975a4554ed in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:111
+#8 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
+
+Thread 5 (Thread 0x7f9746aad700 (LWP 2369)):
+#0 0x00007f975a44c85d in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
+#1 0x00007f975a978c34 in g_main_context_poll (n_fds=1, fds=0x7f97380010c0, timeout=-1, context=0x21b7c20, priority=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at gmain.c:3560
+#2 g_main_context_iterate (context=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">context at entry</A>=0x21b7c20, block=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">block at entry</A>=1, dispatch=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dispatch at entry</A>=1, self=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at gmain.c:3261
+#3 0x00007f975a978d54 in g_main_context_iteration (context=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">context at entry</A>=0x21b7c20, may_block=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">may_block at entry</A>=1) at gmain.c:3327
+#4 0x00007f974a05e1ad in dconf_gdbus_worker_thread (user_data=0x21b7c20) at dconf-gdbus-thread.c:81
+#5 0x00007f975a99b9e5 in g_thread_proxy (data=0x21b6c50) at gthread.c:801
+#6 0x00007f975a71cd18 in start_thread (arg=0x7f9746aad700) at pthread_create.c:308
+#7 0x00007f975a4554ed in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:111
+#8 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
+
+Thread 4 (Thread 0x7f97460a5700 (LWP 2370)):
+#0 0x00007f975a44c85d in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
+#1 0x00007f97558a448f in poll (__timeout=-1, __nfds=2, __fds=0x7f973c0030d0) at /usr/include/bits/poll2.h:46
+#2 poll_func (ufds=0x7f973c0030d0, nfds=2, timeout=-1, userdata=0x21bdf40) at pulse/thread-mainloop.c:69
+#3 0x00007f97558959ec in pa_mainloop_poll (m=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m at entry</A>=0x21bfc60) at pulse/mainloop.c:873
+#4 0x00007f9755896049 in pa_mainloop_iterate (m=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m at entry</A>=0x21bfc60, block=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">block at entry</A>=1, retval=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">retval at entry</A>=0x0) at pulse/mainloop.c:955
+#5 0x00007f9755896100 in pa_mainloop_run (m=0x21bfc60, retval=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">retval at entry</A>=0x0) at pulse/mainloop.c:973
+#6 0x00007f97558a443f in thread (userdata=0x21bdf00) at pulse/thread-mainloop.c:88
+#7 0x00007f974dfdf323 in internal_thread_func (userdata=0x21bff40) at pulsecore/thread-posix.c:83
+#8 0x00007f975a71cd18 in start_thread (arg=0x7f97460a5700) at pthread_create.c:308
+#9 0x00007f975a4554ed in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:111
+#10 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
+
+Thread 3 (Thread 0x7f97458a4700 (LWP 2371)):
+#0 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_wait.S:168
+#1 0x00007f975287a080 in PR_WaitCondVar () from /lib64/libnspr4.so
+#2 0x00007f9759ebf0b7 in threadLoop (rt=0x21c6970, this=0x21c6be8) at jsgc.cpp:2084
+#3 js::GCHelperThread::threadMain (arg=0x21c6970) at jsgc.cpp:2070
+#4 0x00007f975287f3e3 in ?? () from /lib64/libnspr4.so
+#5 0x00007f975a71cd18 in start_thread (arg=0x7f97458a4700) at pthread_create.c:308
+#6 0x00007f975a4554ed in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:111
+#7 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
+
+Thread 2 (Thread 0x7f9712cfe700 (LWP 3384)):
+#0 0x00007f975a44c85d in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
+#1 0x00007f975a978c34 in g_main_context_poll (n_fds=1, fds=0x7f9704002c00, timeout=-1, context=0x4053940, priority=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at gmain.c:3560
+#2 g_main_context_iterate (context=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">context at entry</A>=0x4053940, block=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">block at entry</A>=1, dispatch=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dispatch at entry</A>=1, self=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at gmain.c:3261
+#3 0x00007f975a978d54 in g_main_context_iteration (context=0x4053940, may_block=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">may_block at entry</A>=1) at gmain.c:3327
+#4 0x00007f975a978da1 in glib_worker_main (data=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at gmain.c:5003
+#5 0x00007f975a99b9e5 in g_thread_proxy (data=0x403ced0) at gthread.c:801
+#6 0x00007f975a71cd18 in start_thread (arg=0x7f9712cfe700) at pthread_create.c:308
+#7 0x00007f975a4554ed in clone () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:111
+#8 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
+
+Thread 1 (Thread 0x7f975cfe8900 (LWP 2367)):
+#0 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_wait.S:144
+#1 0x00007f97558a4aa0 in pa_threaded_mainloop_wait (m=0x21bdf00) at pulse/thread-mainloop.c:206
+#2 0x00007f97460aaa0b in pulse_driver_play (c=0x21b5280, id=&lt;optimized out&gt;, proplist=0x704c9c0, cb=&lt;optimized out&gt;, userdata=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at pulse.c:1085
+#3 0x00007f975955624e in ca_context_play_full (c=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">c at entry</A>=0x21b5280, id=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">id at entry</A>=1, p=0x704c9c0, cb=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cb at entry</A>=0x0, userdata=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">userdata at entry</A>=0x0) at common.c:522
+#4 0x00007f97595565cf in ca_context_play (c=0x21b5280, id=1) at common.c:462
+#5 0x00007f975a0bf234 in ffi_call_unix64 () at src/x86/unix64.S:75
+#6 0x00007f975a0bec71 in ffi_call (cif=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cif at entry</A>=0x7f9718039b78, fn=0x7f975cbc1ae0 &lt;shell_global_play_theme_sound&gt;, rvalue=&lt;optimized out&gt;, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rvalue at entry</A>=0x7fffb606c500, avalue=&lt;optimized out&gt;, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">avalue at entry</A>=0x7fffb606c3f0)
+ at src/x86/ffi64.c:485
+#7 0x00007f975c2851a7 in gjs_invoke_c_function (context=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">context at entry</A>=0x2237090, function=0x7f9718039b60, obj=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">obj at entry</A>=0x7f9744b27798, js_argc=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">js_argc at entry</A>=2, js_argv=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">js_argv at entry</A>=0x7f9744c832e0, js_rval=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">js_rval at entry</A>=0x7fffb606c708)
+ at gi/function.c:939
+#8 0x00007f975c2866f3 in function_call (context=0x2237090, js_argc=2, vp=0x7f9744c832d0) at gi/function.c:1250
+#9 0x00007f9759edd615 in CallJSNative (vp=0x7f9744c832d0, argc=&lt;optimized out&gt;, native=&lt;optimized out&gt;, cx=0x2237090) at jscntxtinlines.h:701
+#10 js::Invoke (cx=0x2237090, argsRef=..., flags=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at jsinterp.cpp:696
+#11 0x00007f9759ec99f2 in js::Interpret (cx=0x2237090, entryFrame=0x7f9744c83278, inlineCallCount=0, interpMode=JSINTERP_NORMAL) at jsinterp.cpp:4810
+#12 0x00007f9759edcf55 in js::RunScript (cx=0x2237090, script=&lt;optimized out&gt;, fp=0x7f9744c83278) at jsinterp.cpp:653
+#13 0x00007f9759edd3f2 in js::Invoke (cx=0x2237090, argsRef=..., flags=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at jsinterp.cpp:740
+#14 0x00007f9759eaf451 in js_fun_apply (cx=0x2237090, argc=&lt;optimized out&gt;, vp=0x7f9744c83248) at jsfun.cpp:2205
+#15 0x00007f9759ed3816 in CallJSNative (vp=0x7f9744c83248, argc=2, native=&lt;optimized out&gt;, cx=0x2237090) at jscntxtinlines.h:701
+#16 js::Interpret (cx=0x2237090, entryFrame=0x7f9744c83168, inlineCallCount=1, interpMode=JSINTERP_NORMAL) at jsinterp.cpp:4799
+#17 0x00007f9759edcf55 in js::RunScript (cx=0x2237090, script=&lt;optimized out&gt;, fp=0x7f9744c83168) at jsinterp.cpp:653
+#18 0x00007f9759edd3f2 in js::Invoke (cx=0x2237090, argsRef=..., flags=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at jsinterp.cpp:740
+#19 0x00007f9759eaf451 in js_fun_apply (cx=0x2237090, argc=&lt;optimized out&gt;, vp=0x7f9744c83128) at jsfun.cpp:2205
+#20 0x00007f9759ed3816 in CallJSNative (vp=0x7f9744c83128, argc=2, native=&lt;optimized out&gt;, cx=0x2237090) at jscntxtinlines.h:701
+#21 js::Interpret (cx=0x2237090, entryFrame=0x7f9744c830c0, inlineCallCount=0, interpMode=JSINTERP_NORMAL) at jsinterp.cpp:4799
+#22 0x00007f9759edcf55 in js::RunScript (cx=0x2237090, script=&lt;optimized out&gt;, fp=0x7f9744c830c0) at jsinterp.cpp:653
+#23 0x00007f9759edd3f2 in js::Invoke (cx=0x2237090, argsRef=..., flags=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at jsinterp.cpp:740
+#24 0x00007f9759eaf0e1 in js::CallOrConstructBoundFunction (cx=0x2237090, argc=2, vp=0x7f9744c83038) at jsfun.cpp:2319
+#25 0x00007f9759edd473 in CallJSNative (vp=0x7f9744c83038, argc=&lt;optimized out&gt;, native=&lt;optimized out&gt;, cx=0x2237090) at jscntxtinlines.h:701
+#26 js::Invoke (cx=0x2237090, argsRef=..., flags=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at jsinterp.cpp:703
+#27 0x00007f9759ede2a3 in js::ExternalInvoke (cx=0x2237090, thisv=..., fval=..., argc=2, argv=0x7fffb606de00, rval=0x7fffb606de58) at jsinterp.cpp:863
+#28 0x00007f9759e56c91 in JS_CallFunctionValue (cx=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cx at entry</A>=0x2237090, obj=&lt;optimized out&gt;, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">obj at entry</A>=0x0, fval=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fval at entry</A>=18445617723687335296, argc=&lt;optimized out&gt;, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">argc at entry</A>=2, argv=&lt;optimized out&gt;, rval=&lt;optimized out&gt;)
+ at jsapi.cpp:5145
+#29 0x00007f975c27865c in gjs_call_function_value (context=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">context at entry</A>=0x2237090, obj=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">obj at entry</A>=0x0, fval=18445617723687335296, argc=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">argc at entry</A>=2, argv=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">argv at entry</A>=0x7fffb606de00, rval=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rval at entry</A>=0x7fffb606de58) at gjs/jsapi-util.c:1185
+#30 0x00007f975c28350f in gjs_closure_invoke (closure=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">closure at entry</A>=0x2a3ba50, argc=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">argc at entry</A>=2, argv=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">argv at entry</A>=0x7fffb606de00, retval=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">retval at entry</A>=0x7fffb606de58) at gi/closure.c:278
+#31 0x00007f975c28f369 in closure_marshal (closure=0x2a3ba50, return_value=0x7fffb606e010, n_param_values=2, param_values=0x7fffb606e0c0, invocation_hint=&lt;optimized out&gt;, marshal_data=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at gi/value.c:127
+#32 0x00007f975ac36050 in g_closure_invoke (closure=0x2a3ba50, return_value=0x7fffb606e010, n_param_values=2, param_values=0x7fffb606e0c0, invocation_hint=0x7fffb606e060) at gclosure.c:777
+#33 0x00007f975ac47d30 in signal_emit_unlocked_R (node=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">node at entry</A>=0x22bb6b0, detail=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">detail at entry</A>=0, instance=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">instance at entry</A>=0x29f2460, emission_return=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">emission_return at entry</A>=0x7fffb606e190,
+ instance_and_params=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">instance_and_params at entry</A>=0x7fffb606e0c0) at gsignal.c:3551
+#34 0x00007f975ac4f73a in g_signal_emit_valist (instance=0x29f2460, signal_id=&lt;optimized out&gt;, detail=0, var_args=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">var_args at entry</A>=0x7fffb606e318) at gsignal.c:3310
+#35 0x00007f975ac50212 in g_signal_emit (instance=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">instance at entry</A>=0x29f2460, signal_id=&lt;optimized out&gt;, detail=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">detail at entry</A>=0) at gsignal.c:3356
+#36 0x00007f975b8fa37b in clutter_actor_event (actor=0x29f2460, event=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">event at entry</A>=0x705a4b0, capture=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">capture at entry</A>=0) at ./clutter-actor.c:13445
+#37 0x00007f975b910f1e in _clutter_actor_handle_event (self=&lt;optimized out&gt;, event=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">event at entry</A>=0x705a4b0) at ./clutter-actor.c:19849
+#38 0x00007f975b940fbd in emit_event_chain (event=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at ./clutter-main.c:2263
+#39 emit_touch_event (device=&lt;optimized out&gt;, event=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at ./clutter-main.c:2320
+#40 _clutter_process_event_details (event=0x705a4b0, stage=&lt;optimized out&gt;, context=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at ./clutter-main.c:2657
+#41 _clutter_process_event (event=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">event at entry</A>=0x705a4b0) at ./clutter-main.c:2707
+#42 0x00007f975b95a479 in _clutter_stage_process_queued_events (stage=0x2326800) at ./clutter-stage.c:1023
+#43 0x00007f975b941ad5 in master_clock_process_events (stages=0x5ffcd20, master_clock=0x21b7230) at ./clutter-master-clock.c:283
+#44 clutter_clock_dispatch (source=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">source at entry</A>=0x22a4b10, callback=&lt;optimized out&gt;, user_data=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at ./clutter-master-clock.c:514
+#45 0x00007f975a978965 in g_main_dispatch (context=0x1f28630) at gmain.c:2691
+#46 g_main_context_dispatch (context=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">context at entry</A>=0x1f28630) at gmain.c:3195
+#47 0x00007f975a978c98 in g_main_context_iterate (context=0x1f28630, block=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">block at entry</A>=1, dispatch=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dispatch at entry</A>=1, self=&lt;optimized out&gt;) at gmain.c:3266
+#48 0x00007f975a979092 in g_main_loop_run (loop=0x1f2ba50) at gmain.c:3460
+#49 0x00007f975c4f3497 in meta_run () at core/main.c:545
+#50 0x00000000004019a9 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fffb606e808) at main.c:408
+A debugging session is active.
+
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?">mageia at blino.org
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:35:44PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gdb --pid can be used to get a stack trace then
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-shell:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The hang is in thread 1. Hangs in glibc, with Pulseaudio calling it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems exactly like the mplayer issue. I've seen this hang before
+</I>&gt;<i> Pulseaudio 2.1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thread 1 (Thread 0x7f975cfe8900 (LWP 2367)):
+</I>&gt;<i> #0 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_wait.S:144
+</I>&gt;<i> #1 0x00007f97558a4aa0 in pa_threaded_mainloop_wait (m=0x21bdf00) at pulse/thread-mainloop.c:206
+</I>&gt;<i> #2 0x00007f97460aaa0b in pulse_driver_play (c=0x21b5280, id=&lt;optimized
+</I>&gt;<i> out&gt;, proplist=0x704c9c0, cb=&lt;optimized out&gt;, userdata=&lt;optimized
+</I>&gt;<i> out&gt;) at pulse.c:1085
+</I>&gt;<i> #3 0x00007f975955624e in ca_context_play_full (c=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">c at entry</A>=0x21b5280,
+</I>&gt;<i> id=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">id at entry</A>=1, p=0x704c9c0, cb=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cb at entry</A>=0x0,
+</I>&gt;<i> userdata=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">userdata at entry</A>=0x0) at common.c:522
+</I>&gt;<i> #4 0x00007f97595565cf in ca_context_play (c=0x21b5280, id=1) at common.c:462
+</I>
+(huge backtrace snipped)
+
+This looks exactly like this Debian bug, which was caused by a
+pthread_cond_wait patch in glibc:
+<A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651746">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651746</A>
+
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+<PRE>Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:35:44PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gdb --pid can be used to get a stack trace then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome-shell:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The hang is in thread 1. Hangs in glibc, with Pulseaudio calling it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seems exactly like the mplayer issue. I've seen this hang before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pulseaudio 2.1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thread 1 (Thread 0x7f975cfe8900 (LWP 2367)):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #0 pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_wait.S:144
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #1 0x00007f97558a4aa0 in pa_threaded_mainloop_wait (m=0x21bdf00) at pulse/thread-mainloop.c:206
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #2 0x00007f97460aaa0b in pulse_driver_play (c=0x21b5280, id=&lt;optimized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out&gt;, proplist=0x704c9c0, cb=&lt;optimized out&gt;, userdata=&lt;optimized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out&gt;) at pulse.c:1085
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #3 0x00007f975955624e in ca_context_play_full (c=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">c at entry</A>=0x21b5280,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> id=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">id at entry</A>=1, p=0x704c9c0, cb=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cb at entry</A>=0x0,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> userdata=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">userdata at entry</A>=0x0) at common.c:522
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #4 0x00007f97595565cf in ca_context_play (c=0x21b5280, id=1) at common.c:462
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (huge backtrace snipped)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This looks exactly like this Debian bug, which was caused by a
+</I>&gt;<i> pthread_cond_wait patch in glibc:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651746">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651746</A>
+</I>
+Redhat has a similar report:
+<A HREF="http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-01/msg00002.html">http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-01/msg00002.html</A>
+
+Both distros revert a pthread_cond_wait change.
+I'll do the same in our glibc package.
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+
+Problems installing grub files and kernel files under /boot since i
+have followed the Coling instructions about moving to /usr, but i dont
+know if these problems are related to this or due to other changes in
+systemd.
+
+Since linuxmint doesnt have an installed to install the distro in an
+encrypted LVM i have followed this howto
+<A HREF="http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&amp;t=71159">http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&amp;t=71159</A> and i have
+put linuxmint in an encrypted LVM and so far all went fine.
+
+Some days ago i decided to replace Linuxmint by Ubuntu and i did
+followed the same procedure and again all was running fine.
+
+However today i have decided to replace Ubuntu 12.04 with Ubuntu
+12.10 (quantal) and i have erased existent Ubuntu fs and i followed
+the same procedure, but after running:
+
+ubuntu]# unsquashfs -f -d /mnt/lm/ casper/filesystem.squashfs
+Parallel unsquashfs: Using 4 processors
+147918 inodes (153245 blocks) to write
+
+[===================/
+ ] 27438/153245 17% cd
+/mnt/lm/boot
+[===========================================================================================================|]
+153245/153245 100%
+created 94187 files
+created 14237 directories
+created 53613 symlinks
+created 82 devices
+created 0 fifos
+
+
+it did NOT install vmlinux ubuntu kernel file in /boot like it used to
+happen so far, and it also did not installed the grub files that used
+to install and isntead now i have this:
+
+boot]# ls -ls *
+ 824 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 843468 Jul 23 21:15 abi-3.5.0-6-generic
+ 148 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 147800 Jul 23 21:15 config-3.5.0-6-generic
+ 176 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176764 Nov 27 2011 memtest86+.bin
+ 176 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 178944 Nov 27 2011 memtest86+_multiboot.bin
+2820 -rw------- 1 root root 2886111 Jul 23 21:15 System.map-3.5.0-6-generic
+
+grub:
+total 4
+4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 699 Jul 24 13:04 gfxblacklist.txt
+
+as we can see theres no grub files inside /boot/grub and also theres
+no initrd and vmlinux files to allow to boot into Ubuntu.
+
+I even tested by installing again the Ubuntu release that was
+successfully installed (before following Coling instructions about
+moving to /usr) and now it happened exactly the same thing, no
+vmlinux, initrc and no grub files.
+
+
+Could anyone please clarify, or Colin ;) why now when running
+&quot;unsquashfs -f -d /mnt/lm/ casper/filesystem.squashfs&quot; it doesnt
+install kernel and grub files needed to boot the distro?
+
+
+PS: i need to use this procedure even with Ubuntu since i want to have
+in an encrypted LVM with cypher aes-xts* because Ubuntu alternate CD
+installer uses an older cypher.
+ for linuxmint i really have no other option that use this
+since it doesnt have an installer that allows to install the distro in
+an encrypted partition (it only allow to encrypt home folder)
+
+TIA
+
+regards,
+Pedro
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+<PRE>On 27/07/2012 23:33, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 27 July 2012 22:26, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This break translations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please fix translations w/o fuzzying them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Else would replace the 2nd &quot;Mga&quot; by &quot;Mga linux&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think that the distribution should be referred as &quot;Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Linux&quot;, it's just &quot;Mageia&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Better drop the 2nd wording, as already done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That needs more complex adjustment in translations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, but we should not keep an incorrect wording just to keep the
+</I>&gt;<i> translations. And we are not even close to a final release, it is a
+</I>&gt;<i> suitable time to break strings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Funda, can you please update po/* to not fuzzy the translations or
+update po/rpmdrake.pot then po/*.po ? (or make sure this is done)
+(I took this from <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1399#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1399#c8</A>
+although, to be honest, I don't really understand it)
+
+I'd rather not see a bug report about revision 5019 breaking translations :)
+
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+<PRE>On 28 July 2012 22:21, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> This looks exactly like this Debian bug, which was caused by a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pthread_cond_wait patch in glibc:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651746">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651746</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Redhat has a similar report:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-01/msg00002.html">http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-01/msg00002.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Both distros revert a pthread_cond_wait change.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll do the same in our glibc package.
+</I>
+Indeed that fixed this issue.
+Woohoo!!!
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+&gt;<i> On 28 July 2012 22:21, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This looks exactly like this Debian bug, which was caused by a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pthread_cond_wait patch in glibc:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651746">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651746</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Redhat has a similar report:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-01/msg00002.html">http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-01/msg00002.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Both distros revert a pthread_cond_wait change.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll do the same in our glibc package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed that fixed this issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> Woohoo!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ah, indeed.
+
+if you remember we did hit that problem in glibc-2.15 test branch
+where the problem was way worse than with glibc-2.16 but I completely
+forgot about it until now...
+
+Thanks for finding and fixing it...
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+Thomas
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 28/07/12 18:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:40:34PM -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please welcome to the Mageia packaging team !!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome! Hope you have loads of free time and energy :)
+</I>
+Awesome... another person to help us break things :)
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+Col
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+ <B>Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+<PRE>Le 28/07/12 05:40,Juan Luis Baptiste nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm proud to announce that Cesar Vargas (vaci0), one of blogdrake's
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers just got submit rights and will be leaving the padawan ranks
+</I>&gt;<i> to become another jedi :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome to the Mageia packaging team !!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>
+Welcome Cesar!
+
+Please pick as many as you want from the 1924 packages of
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 29 juillet 2012 09:32:07 fwang a &#233;crit :
+[...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 1.0.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 216351
+</I>&gt;<i> - Nope, the desktop file patch is still needed
+</I>&gt;<i> - Testing if desktop file patch is still needed
+</I>You can test locally directly with desktop-file-validate :o)
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+ <B>Pedro Gs</B>
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+<PRE>2012/7/29 Pedro Gs &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">simplew8 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Problems installing grub files and kernel files under /boot since i
+</I>&gt;<i> have followed the Coling instructions about moving to /usr, but i dont
+</I>&gt;<i> know if these problems are related to this or due to other changes in
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since linuxmint doesnt have an installed to install the distro in an
+</I>&gt;<i> encrypted LVM i have followed this howto
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&amp;t=71159">http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&amp;t=71159</A> and i have
+</I>&gt;<i> put linuxmint in an encrypted LVM and so far all went fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some days ago i decided to replace Linuxmint by Ubuntu and i did
+</I>&gt;<i> followed the same procedure and again all was running fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However today i have decided to replace Ubuntu 12.04 with Ubuntu
+</I>&gt;<i> 12.10 (quantal) and i have erased existent Ubuntu fs and i followed
+</I>&gt;<i> the same procedure, but after running:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ubuntu]# unsquashfs -f -d /mnt/lm/ casper/filesystem.squashfs
+</I>&gt;<i> Parallel unsquashfs: Using 4 processors
+</I>&gt;<i> 147918 inodes (153245 blocks) to write
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [===================/
+</I>&gt;<i> ] 27438/153245 17% cd
+</I>&gt;<i> /mnt/lm/boot
+</I>&gt;<i> [===========================================================================================================|]
+</I>&gt;<i> 153245/153245 100%
+</I>&gt;<i> created 94187 files
+</I>&gt;<i> created 14237 directories
+</I>&gt;<i> created 53613 symlinks
+</I>&gt;<i> created 82 devices
+</I>&gt;<i> created 0 fifos
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it did NOT install vmlinux ubuntu kernel file in /boot like it used to
+</I>&gt;<i> happen so far, and it also did not installed the grub files that used
+</I>&gt;<i> to install and isntead now i have this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> boot]# ls -ls *
+</I>&gt;<i> 824 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 843468 Jul 23 21:15 abi-3.5.0-6-generic
+</I>&gt;<i> 148 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 147800 Jul 23 21:15 config-3.5.0-6-generic
+</I>&gt;<i> 176 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176764 Nov 27 2011 memtest86+.bin
+</I>&gt;<i> 176 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 178944 Nov 27 2011 memtest86+_multiboot.bin
+</I>&gt;<i> 2820 -rw------- 1 root root 2886111 Jul 23 21:15 System.map-3.5.0-6-generic
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> grub:
+</I>&gt;<i> total 4
+</I>&gt;<i> 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 699 Jul 24 13:04 gfxblacklist.txt
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as we can see theres no grub files inside /boot/grub and also theres
+</I>&gt;<i> no initrd and vmlinux files to allow to boot into Ubuntu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I even tested by installing again the Ubuntu release that was
+</I>&gt;<i> successfully installed (before following Coling instructions about
+</I>&gt;<i> moving to /usr) and now it happened exactly the same thing, no
+</I>&gt;<i> vmlinux, initrc and no grub files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could anyone please clarify, or Colin ;) why now when running
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;unsquashfs -f -d /mnt/lm/ casper/filesystem.squashfs&quot; it doesnt
+</I>&gt;<i> install kernel and grub files needed to boot the distro?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS: i need to use this procedure even with Ubuntu since i want to have
+</I>&gt;<i> in an encrypted LVM with cypher aes-xts* because Ubuntu alternate CD
+</I>&gt;<i> installer uses an older cypher.
+</I>&gt;<i> for linuxmint i really have no other option that use this
+</I>&gt;<i> since it doesnt have an installer that allows to install the distro in
+</I>&gt;<i> an encrypted partition (it only allow to encrypt home folder)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TIA
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Pedro
+</I>
+Please ignore this thread, this is ubuntu specific and i didnt follow
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 29 juillet 2012 09:32:07 fwang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 1.0.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 216351
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Nope, the desktop file patch is still needed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Testing if desktop file patch is still needed
+</I>&gt;<i> You can test locally directly with desktop-file-validate :o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Also, please SILENTify the log messages with propedit, since no change
+was made.
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just a random thought.
+Is there an easy way to make /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64
+relocatable in any packages that use them to usr/*,
+when a certain flag is set ? (say a certain file in /)
+
+Then when the appropriate conditions are met,
+such as /usr on / or dracut installed and /usr with rw permissions, we
+could set the flag, and then after progressively migrate the various files.
+In this transition we would probably have to put syslinks in the old
+locations, etc.
+
+If this works, maybe we could convert many mga2 systems before mga3
+release, to minimise any problems ?
+
+Haven't really thought this through, and I haven't been following this
+in detail, just something that occured to me.
+
+&gt;<i> All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Regards :)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 28 July 2012 05:11, tmb &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 3.5.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 275103
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix perf build with glibc-2.16
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix unionfs build with 3.5 series kernels
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rediff mrproper patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update defconfigs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - drop merged patches
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rediff unionfs patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add include/memory/ to -devel and -source filelists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update to 3.5
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you enable fontswap &amp; zcache please?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+also, not directly related, btrfs.fsck doesn't have a -a option, which
+means it's not executed at boot time, if needed...
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+</I>&gt;<i> also, not directly related, btrfs.fsck doesn't have a -a option, which
+</I>&gt;<i> means it's not executed at boot time, if needed...
+</I>Is btrfs.fsck production ready now? last I read something about it, it
+was still quite buggy...
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+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+<PRE>On a pre-/usr cauldron which has intentionally not been updated, wine
+apps have suddenly stopped being able to &quot;see&quot; mounted DVDs.
+
+Checking syslog immediately after ejecting and reloading the disk, I find:
+
+**************************************************************************
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664794] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0]
+Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664798] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense
+Key : Illegal Request [current]
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664801] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Add.
+Sense: Read of scrambled sector without authentication
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664805] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB:
+Read(10): 28 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 02 00
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664810] end_request: I/O error,
+dev sr0, sector 4096
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664812] Buffer I/O error on
+device sr0, logical block 512
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697982] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0]
+Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697984] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense
+Key : Illegal Request [current]
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664801] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Add.
+Sense: Read of scrambled sector without authentication
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664805] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB:
+Read(10): 28 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 02 00
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664810] end_request: I/O error,
+dev sr0, sector 4096
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664812] Buffer I/O error on
+device sr0, logical block 512
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697982] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0]
+Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697984] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense
+Key : Illegal Request [current]
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697987] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Add.
+Sense: Read of scrambled sector without authentication
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697990] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB:
+Read(10): 28 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 02 00
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697994] end_request: I/O error,
+dev sr0, sector 4096
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697996] Buffer I/O error on
+device sr0, logical block 512
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost systemd-udevd[32108]: failed to execute
+'/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event'
+'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost systemd-udevd[32109]: failed to execute
+'/lib/udev/socket:/org/kernel/dm/multipath_event'
+'socket:/org/kernel/dm/multipath_event': No such file or directory
+Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost udisksd[29333]: Error opening /etc/crypttab
+file: Failed to open file '/etc/crypttab': No such file or directory
+(g-file-error-quark, 4)
+
+Jul 29 10:50:54 localhost haldaemon[27164]: Starting HAL daemon: [FAILED]
+Jul 29 10:50:54 localhost systemd[1]: haldaemon.service: control process
+exited, code=exited status=2
+Jul 29 10:50:54 localhost systemd[1]: Unit haldaemon.service entered
+failed state.
+Jul 29 10:50:54 localhost systemd[1]: Startup finished in 1s 93ms 504us
+(kernel) + 5s 214ms 916us (initrd) + 5min 1s 511ms 645us (userspace) =
+5min 7s 820ms 65us.
+*******************************************************************************
+
+Based on observation, the stuff timestamped 10:50:50 is the result of
+ejecting the disk, and the last few lines timestamped 10:50:54 are the
+result of reloading it, with the intervening 4 seconds consumed by
+reading the disk headers and such.
+
+I seem to remember here that nothing is supposed to be using HAL, so
+it's puzzling as to why systemd would be trying to start it in response
+to the load. It's equally puzzling as to why this should suddenly
+affect wine, when nothing's been upgraded (this worked 2 or 3 days ago).
+
+The disk is correctly mounted and identified by KDE, and is usable by
+k3b and command-line utilities. k3b also detects the load event, and
+switches its GUI prompt from &quot;insert a disk&quot; to the actual label.
+
+Is wine still hal-dependent when it ought not to be ?
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+<PRE>On 28 June 2012 02:51, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of&quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; (mga#3791)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oups, why that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I'm concerned no deadkeys is the default for German users and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that's good!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any reasons for this change?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Call it &quot;Competitive analysis&quot; if you want. Keyboards comes with those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> little keys that are meant to produce accented characters in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> combination with regular letters, and this how it works on Windows,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the platform most users will migrate from, and also on Mac OS X.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regular users don't have any use of stand-alone-accent-characters. And
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even with deadkeys it is easy to produce the standalone accent by just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pressing the key twice (so you can get backticks easily).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you're a programmer and are using a nodeadkeys variant for that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason, you're not the target population of a suggested default. (If
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you know what is meant with &quot;deadkeys&quot; and &quot;nodeadkeys&quot;, you're not in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> target of that dialog, and have the knowledge to not accept the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> default, but choose the nodeadkeys variant that is listed right next
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to the regular variant).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The variant with deadkeys is called &quot;German&quot; without any addition for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a reason. If nodeadkeys were the expected/more common choice, then it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be &quot;German (international)&quot; or &quot;German (deadkeys)&quot;, like it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the case for the US-variants.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So Olivier, do you agree with that change or not?
+</I>
+Ping?
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+&gt;<i> On 28 June 2012 02:51, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of&quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; (mga#3791)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oups, why that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I'm concerned no deadkeys is the default for German users and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that's good!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any reasons for this change?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Call it &quot;Competitive analysis&quot; if you want. Keyboards comes with those
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> little keys that are meant to produce accented characters in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> combination with regular letters, and this how it works on Windows,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the platform most users will migrate from, and also on Mac OS X.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regular users don't have any use of stand-alone-accent-characters. And
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> even with deadkeys it is easy to produce the standalone accent by just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pressing the key twice (so you can get backticks easily).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you're a programmer and are using a nodeadkeys variant for that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reason, you're not the target population of a suggested default. (If
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you know what is meant with &quot;deadkeys&quot; and &quot;nodeadkeys&quot;, you're not in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> target of that dialog, and have the knowledge to not accept the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> default, but choose the nodeadkeys variant that is listed right next
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to the regular variant).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The variant with deadkeys is called &quot;German&quot; without any addition for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a reason. If nodeadkeys were the expected/more common choice, then it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would be &quot;German (international)&quot; or &quot;German (deadkeys)&quot;, like it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the case for the US-variants.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So Olivier, do you agree with that change or not?
+</I>
+It may be logical but German users have been taught to use
+&quot;nodeadkeys&quot; for ages. Changing this now just because of semantics
+does not seem to be a wise move (I always use &quot;German&quot;). But OTOH it
+is not such a big thing. It will cause the usual number of questions
+in the forums (&quot;MAG3 breaks my keyboard!&quot;) but this will vanish over
+the years. :)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Am 30.07.2012 13:35, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also, not directly related, btrfs.fsck doesn't have a -a option, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> means it's not executed at boot time, if needed...
+</I>&gt;<i> Is btrfs.fsck production ready now? last I read something about it, it
+</I>&gt;<i> was still quite buggy...
+</I>
+IIRC, we use the one the other distro's (including Oracle Linux) use (the
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+<PRE>Am 30.07.2012 14:41, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+&gt;<i> 2012/7/30 Thierry Vignaud&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 28 June 2012 02:51, Thierry Vignaud&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of&quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; (mga#3791)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Oups, why that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I'm concerned no deadkeys is the default for German users and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that's good!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any reasons for this change?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Call it &quot;Competitive analysis&quot; if you want. Keyboards comes with those
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> little keys that are meant to produce accented characters in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> combination with regular letters, and this how it works on Windows,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the platform most users will migrate from, and also on Mac OS X.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regular users don't have any use of stand-alone-accent-characters. And
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> even with deadkeys it is easy to produce the standalone accent by just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pressing the key twice (so you can get backticks easily).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you're a programmer and are using a nodeadkeys variant for that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reason, you're not the target population of a suggested default. (If
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you know what is meant with &quot;deadkeys&quot; and &quot;nodeadkeys&quot;, you're not in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> target of that dialog, and have the knowledge to not accept the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> default, but choose the nodeadkeys variant that is listed right next
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to the regular variant).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The variant with deadkeys is called &quot;German&quot; without any addition for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a reason. If nodeadkeys were the expected/more common choice, then it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would be &quot;German (international)&quot; or &quot;German (deadkeys)&quot;, like it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the case for the US-variants.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So Olivier, do you agree with that change or not?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be logical but German users have been taught to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;nodeadkeys&quot; for ages. Changing this now just because of semantics
+</I>&gt;<i> does not seem to be a wise move (I always use &quot;German&quot;). But OTOH it
+</I>&gt;<i> is not such a big thing. It will cause the usual number of questions
+</I>&gt;<i> in the forums (&quot;MAG3 breaks my keyboard!&quot;) but this will vanish over
+</I>&gt;<i> the years. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This must have slipped my mind...
+I concur with wobo. This change will cause such forums posts but that
+will be solved soon after Mga3 release.
+The question is, how do other distros do it? A colleague just told me,
+his Ubuntu chose the no dead key variant by default.
+What about Fedora and openSUSE or don't we care at all?
+
+As for myself, I will just change it back on my systems so it's no big deal.
+
+Oliver
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Am 30.07.2012 13:35, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also, not directly related, btrfs.fsck doesn't have a -a option, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> means it's not executed at boot time, if needed...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is btrfs.fsck production ready now? last I read something about it, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was still quite buggy...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC, we use the one the other distro's (including Oracle Linux) use (the
+</I>&gt;<i> danger-dont-ever-use branch)
+</I>So the question is, is it wise to activate it by default?
+
+Oliver
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Am 30.07.2012 14:47, schrieb AL13N:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 30.07.2012 13:35, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also, not directly related, btrfs.fsck doesn't have a -a option, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> means it's not executed at boot time, if needed...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is btrfs.fsck production ready now? last I read something about it, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> was still quite buggy...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IIRC, we use the one the other distro's (including Oracle Linux) use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> danger-dont-ever-use branch)
+</I>&gt;<i> So the question is, is it wise to activate it by default?
+</I>
+tmb seemed to think so... (or did you mean btrfs by default)
+
+but hopeefully now that cmason isn't employed by oracle anymore, that he
+can spend some time on it.
+
+coming features are RAID5/6 functionality (normally for 3.6) and also
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+For years, we patch our rpm in order to support for /etc/rpm/macros.d
+(very old compat with rpm-4.4).
+Upstream refused to merge it as &quot;/etc/rpm/ is a &quot;macros.d&quot; style
+directory already, except in name&quot;.
+
+I would like to drop that patch from rpm (one less to maintain).
+That means basically renaming files:
+ /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+
+So I suggest we:
+- fix the packages that needs it
+- drop the patch from rpm.
+
+There's not that many packages to fix:
+
+$ urpmf /etc/rpm/macros.d | sort -u
+apache-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/httpd.macros
+cmake:/etc/rpm/macros.d/cmake.macros
+fdupes:/etc/rpm/macros.d/fdupes.macros
+firefox-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/firefox.macros
+haskell-macros:/etc/rpm/macros.d/haskell-macros.macros
+ibus-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/ibus.macros
+java-1.5.0-gcj-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/java-1.5.0-gcj.macros
+kde4-macros:/etc/rpm/macros.d/kde4.macros
+lib64qt4-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/qt4.macros
+lib64scim-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/scim.macros
+lib64tcl-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/tcl.macros
+lib64uClibc-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/uclibc.macros
+lib64xulrunner-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/xulrunner.macros
+mageia-release-Default:/etc/rpm/macros.d/Default.macros
+mingw32-filesystem:/etc/rpm/macros.d/mingw32.macros
+multiarch-utils:/etc/rpm/macros.d/multiarch.macros
+postgresql8.4:/etc/rpm/macros.d/postgresql8.4.macros
+postgresql9.0:/etc/rpm/macros.d/postgresql9.0.macros
+postgresql9.1:/etc/rpm/macros.d/postgresql9.1.macros
+prelink:/etc/rpm/macros.d/prelink.macros
+python3:/etc/rpm/macros.d/python3.macros
+python-sip:/etc/rpm/macros.d/sip.macros
+rpm:/etc/rpm/macros.d
+rpm-helper:/etc/rpm/macros.d/rpm-helper.macros
+rpm-mageia-setup-build:/etc/rpm/macros.d/20build.macros
+rpm-mageia-setup-build:/etc/rpm/macros.d/dwz.macros
+rpm-mageia-setup:/etc/rpm/macros.d
+rpm-mageia-setup:/etc/rpm/macros.d/20common.macros
+ruby:/etc/rpm/macros.d/ruby.macros
+scons:/etc/rpm/macros.d/scons.macros
+spec-helper:/etc/rpm/macros.d/spec-helper.macros
+vdr-devel:/etc/rpm/macros.d/vdr.macros
+waf:/etc/rpm/macros.d/waf.macros
+waf-python3:/etc/rpm/macros.d/waf-python3.macros
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+<PRE>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
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+&gt;<i> For years, we patch our rpm in order to support for /etc/rpm/macros.d
+</I>&gt;<i> (very old compat with rpm-4.4).
+</I>&gt;<i> Upstream refused to merge it as &quot;/etc/rpm/ is a &quot;macros.d&quot; style
+</I>&gt;<i> directory already, except in name&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to drop that patch from rpm (one less to maintain).
+</I>&gt;<i> That means basically renaming files:
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>
+I think you meant:
+ /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros.foobar
+
+(/etc/rpm/macros is a file)
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>* Christiaan Welvaart (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For years, we patch our rpm in order to support for /etc/rpm/macros.d
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (very old compat with rpm-4.4).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Upstream refused to merge it as &quot;/etc/rpm/ is a &quot;macros.d&quot; style
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directory already, except in name&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to drop that patch from rpm (one less to maintain).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That means basically renaming files:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you meant:
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (/etc/rpm/macros is a file)
+</I>
+I did this patch because /etc/rpm/macros.* will included
+macros.*.rpmsave/.rpmnew and other vim backup. And it's exactly the case
+on my own laptop (installed as Mageia):
+
+$ ls /etc/rpm
+macros macros.d/ macros.fjava macros.jpackage macros.rpmnew
+
+Notice the macros.rpmnew !
+
+Upstream just sucks to not see this issue, even jbj has admit the
+problem.
+
+This patch is not the most problematic in rpm as it's just a line in the
+configuration.
+
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+Olivier Thauvin
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:47:54PM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> I would like to drop that patch from rpm (one less to maintain).
+</I>&gt;<i> That means basically renaming files:
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+I thought latest idea that /etc is solely for the sysadmin, so shouldn't
+above be:
+ /usr/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+?
+
+Less difference with upstream is IMO good. Only suggestion is changing
+rpmlint / preventing uploads with the old macros in it.
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+<PRE>On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For years, we patch our rpm in order to support for /etc/rpm/macros.d
+</I>&gt;<i> (very old compat with rpm-4.4).
+</I>&gt;<i> Upstream refused to merge it as &quot;/etc/rpm/ is a &quot;macros.d&quot; style
+</I>&gt;<i> directory already, except in name&quot;.
+</I>
+In a previous mail Colin was suggesting moving all macro files to
+/usr/lib/rpm/ instead of /etc/rpm :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017654.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017654.html</A>
+
+I think shipping macro files somewhere in /usr/lib/rpm with users using
+files in /etc/rpm to overwrite macros would be nice. Unfortunately this
+probably requires an other patch to rpm.
+
+Maybe a patch to read /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/macros.* could be accepted
+upstream ?
+
+Something like this :
+
+diff --git a/lib/rpmrc.c b/lib/rpmrc.c
+index 96f05ce..bef589f 100644
+--- a/lib/rpmrc.c
++++ b/lib/rpmrc.c
+@@ -439,6 +439,7 @@ static void setDefaults(void)
+ macrofiles = rstrscat(NULL, confdir, &quot;/macros&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+ confdir, &quot;/platform/%{_target}/macros&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+ confdir, &quot;/fileattrs/*.attr&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
++ confdir, &quot;/&quot; RPMCANONVENDOR &quot;/macros.*&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+ confdir, &quot;/&quot; RPMCANONVENDOR &quot;/macros&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+ SYSCONFDIR &quot;/rpm/macros.*&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+ SYSCONFDIR &quot;/rpm/macros&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+
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+<PRE>* nicolas vigier (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For years, we patch our rpm in order to support for /etc/rpm/macros.d
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (very old compat with rpm-4.4).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Upstream refused to merge it as &quot;/etc/rpm/ is a &quot;macros.d&quot; style
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; directory already, except in name&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In a previous mail Colin was suggesting moving all macro files to
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/rpm/ instead of /etc/rpm :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017654.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017654.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think shipping macro files somewhere in /usr/lib/rpm with users using
+</I>&gt;<i> files in /etc/rpm to overwrite macros would be nice. Unfortunately this
+</I>&gt;<i> probably requires an other patch to rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe a patch to read /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/macros.* could be accepted
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream ?
+</I>
+Ask for /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/*.macros instead !
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Something like this :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> diff --git a/lib/rpmrc.c b/lib/rpmrc.c
+</I>&gt;<i> index 96f05ce..bef589f 100644
+</I>&gt;<i> --- a/lib/rpmrc.c
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ b/lib/rpmrc.c
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -439,6 +439,7 @@ static void setDefaults(void)
+</I>&gt;<i> macrofiles = rstrscat(NULL, confdir, &quot;/macros&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> confdir, &quot;/platform/%{_target}/macros&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> confdir, &quot;/fileattrs/*.attr&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> + confdir, &quot;/&quot; RPMCANONVENDOR &quot;/macros.*&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> confdir, &quot;/&quot; RPMCANONVENDOR &quot;/macros&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> SYSCONFDIR &quot;/rpm/macros.*&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> SYSCONFDIR &quot;/rpm/macros&quot;, &quot;:&quot;,
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+<PRE>I realized /usr move now, and my computer is all ok for now.
+Thanks mages,
+
+2012/7/30 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so the packages have now all been uploaded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You should see several packages now that you cannot install on Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is intended behaviour.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is how to update your cauldron systems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Run &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; install everything that can be installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Ensure that latest dracut is installed. Run &quot;urpmi dracut&quot; to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure (it may have been excluded in the --auto-update if it was in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> transaction with other packages that could not be installed).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Ensure that you do not have zapata or dpkg installed (rpm -e zapata;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm -e dpkg)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4. Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -a convertfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 5. If you have /usr on a separate partition
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Ensure there is enough free space to hold /bin, /sbin, /lib and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib64 content.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - If your /usr is mounted readonly, change your /etc/fstab to mount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it rw.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a random thought.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there an easy way to make /bin, /sbin, /lib or /lib64
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable in any packages that use them to usr/*,
+</I>&gt;<i> when a certain flag is set ? (say a certain file in /)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then when the appropriate conditions are met,
+</I>&gt;<i> such as /usr on / or dracut installed and /usr with rw permissions, we could
+</I>&gt;<i> set the flag, and then after progressively migrate the various files.
+</I>&gt;<i> In this transition we would probably have to put syslinks in the old
+</I>&gt;<i> locations, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If this works, maybe we could convert many mga2 systems before mga3 release,
+</I>&gt;<i> to minimise any problems ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Haven't really thought this through, and I haven't been following this in
+</I>&gt;<i> detail, just something that occured to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All the best and good luck!!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:47:54PM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to drop that patch from rpm (one less to maintain).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That means basically renaming files:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought latest idea that /etc is solely for the sysadmin, so shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> above be:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>
+Right, these macros are not supposed to be edited by the sysadmin, we
+could even use /usr/lib/rpm/macros.&lt;foo&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:47:54PM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I would like to drop that patch from rpm (one less to maintain).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; That means basically renaming files:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [..]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I thought latest idea that /etc is solely for the sysadmin, so shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; above be:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, these macros are not supposed to be edited by the sysadmin, we
+</I>&gt;<i> could even use /usr/lib/rpm/macros.&lt;foo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> (we already use this for perl, php, python, systemd)
+</I>
+Actually rpm provide some macro file in /usr/lib/rpm/macros.&lt;foo&gt;, but
+they need to be included manually from spec file. They start with a
+comment like this :
+# To make use of these macros insert the following line into your spec
+# file:
+# %include %{_rpmconfigdir}/macros.perl
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+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:47:54PM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to drop that patch from rpm (one less to maintain).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That means basically renaming files:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I thought latest idea that /etc is solely for the sysadmin, so shouldn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> above be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, these macros are not supposed to be edited by the sysadmin, we
+</I>&gt;<i> could even use /usr/lib/rpm/macros.&lt;foo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> (we already use this for perl, php, python, systemd)
+</I>
+They are not automatically included it seems (consistent with earlier
+posted code from rpm).
+
+
+ Christiaan
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+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:47:54PM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I would like to drop that patch from rpm (one less to maintain).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; That means basically renaming files:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [..]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I thought latest idea that /etc is solely for the sysadmin, so shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; above be:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, these macros are not supposed to be edited by the sysadmin, we
+</I>&gt;<i> could even use /usr/lib/rpm/macros.&lt;foo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> (we already use this for perl, php, python, systemd)
+</I>
+But I never edited my /etc/rpm/macros. It has been modified by installer
+long time ago and the /etc/rpm/macros.rpmnew has been created by an
+update of rpm.
+
+Is the installer supposed to modify /etc/rpm/macros ?...
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+&gt;<i> * nicolas vigier (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; For years, we patch our rpm in order to support for /etc/rpm/macros.d
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (very old compat with rpm-4.4).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Upstream refused to merge it as &quot;/etc/rpm/ is a &quot;macros.d&quot; style
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; directory already, except in name&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In a previous mail Colin was suggesting moving all macro files to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /usr/lib/rpm/ instead of /etc/rpm :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017654.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017654.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think shipping macro files somewhere in /usr/lib/rpm with users using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; files in /etc/rpm to overwrite macros would be nice. Unfortunately this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; probably requires an other patch to rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe a patch to read /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/macros.* could be accepted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upstream ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ask for /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/*.macros instead !
+</I>
+*.macros would be better than macros.*, but macros.* is more consistent
+with what is already done in /etc/rpm.
+
+In /usr/lib/rpm/* we don't have the problem with *.rpmnew files because
+we don't have to flag them as configuration, as people are not supposed
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+&gt;<i> * Olivier Blin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 04:47:54PM +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; I would like to drop that patch from rpm (one less to maintain).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; That means basically renaming files:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; /etc/rpm/macros.d/foobar.macros =&gt; /etc/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; [..]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I thought latest idea that /etc is solely for the sysadmin, so shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; above be:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; /usr/rpm/macros/macros.foobar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Right, these macros are not supposed to be edited by the sysadmin, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could even use /usr/lib/rpm/macros.&lt;foo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (we already use this for perl, php, python, systemd)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I never edited my /etc/rpm/macros. It has been modified by installer
+</I>&gt;<i> long time ago and the /etc/rpm/macros.rpmnew has been created by an
+</I>&gt;<i> update of rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is the installer supposed to modify /etc/rpm/macros ?...
+</I>
+Yes, the install (and maybe draklocale) modify /etc/rpm/macros :
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/lang.pm?revision=4265&amp;view=markup#l1100">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/lang.pm?revision=4265&amp;view=markup#l1100</A>
+
+Maybe this should be changed to modify/create /etc/rpm/macros.install_langs
+instead ?
+
+We can also remove /etc/rpm/macros from rpm package.
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 06:55:01PM +0200, nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Is the installer supposed to modify /etc/rpm/macros ?...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, the install (and maybe draklocale) modify /etc/rpm/macros :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/lang.pm?revision=4265&amp;view=markup#l1100">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/lang.pm?revision=4265&amp;view=markup#l1100</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe this should be changed to modify/create /etc/rpm/macros.install_langs
+</I>&gt;<i> instead ?
+</I>
+Seems like a good change to me.
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+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 5.3.21 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mon Jul 30 19:36:25 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;<i> System/Libraries Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> 35083441 License: BSD Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>
+
+
+%package -n %{libdbnssdev}
+contains the conflict
+
+Conflicts: db_nss-devel &lt; %{__soversion}
+
+but neither this version nor previous version of %{libdbnssdev}
+provided db_nss-devel
+
+Conflict should now be
+
+Conflicts: db5_nss-devel &lt; %{__soversion}
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
+Suddenly, Professor Liebowitz realizes he has come to the seminar
+without his duck ...
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
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+ <B>Charles A Edwards</B>
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+fwang wrote:
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+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1.1-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 276308
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for db-5.3
+</I>
+Did you patch configure.ac so that the build dependency is
+for db5.3 and not still 5.2
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
+Gibble, Gobble, we ACCEPT YOU ...
+----------------------
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+ <B>Armando B.</B>
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+ <I>Tue Jul 31 09:06:35 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi my friends,
+today i received my Raspberry :)
+
+it say me: ... give me Mageia... Mageia... Mageia
+he he he
+
+on raspberry website there is wheezy release of raspbian (optimised
+version of Debian for this device)
+
+
+
+2012/6/27 Agron Selimaj &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">as9902613 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did it work under QEMU with ARM emulation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Original message -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Armando B. at 26/06/12 17:45 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; from 2/3 weeks should arrive my raspberry pi, so i'm available to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; perform tests with Mageia Arm porting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I saw that there is a specific mirror here
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/">http://packages.rtp-net.org/mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; is there a most recent repository ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; i saw that this repo missing of some packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Could we try to build Mageia 2 ARM for Raspberry ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mine arrived yesterday so I'd be interested in seeing progress here too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure when I'll find time to actually play with the thing tho'!!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> COl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+ themonospot project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/themonospot</A>
+ monosim project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/monosim</A>
+ comex project - <A HREF="http://comex-project.googlecode.com">http://comex-project.googlecode.com</A>
+ webpman project - <A HREF="http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman">http://www.integrazioneweb.com/webpman</A>
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+&gt;<i> %package -n %{libdbnssdev}
+</I>&gt;<i> contains the conflict
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Conflicts: db_nss-devel &lt; %{__soversion}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but neither this version nor previous version of %{libdbnssdev}
+</I>&gt;<i> provided db_nss-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Conflict should now be
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Conflicts: db5_nss-devel &lt; %{__soversion}
+</I>
+Fee free to fix.
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+<PRE>2012/7/31 Charles A Edwards &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">CAE at eslrahc.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:50:29 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> tv wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : db53 Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 5.3.21 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mon Jul 30 19:36:25 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org Group :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> System/Libraries Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 35083441 License: BSD Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %package -n %{libdbnssdev}
+</I>&gt;<i> contains the conflict
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Conflicts: db_nss-devel &lt; %{__soversion}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but neither this version nor previous version of %{libdbnssdev}
+</I>&gt;<i> provided db_nss-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Conflict should now be
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Conflicts: db5_nss-devel &lt; %{__soversion}
+</I>Which will become useless untill all packages be built upon db 5.3.
+Then we will have only db 4.8 and db 5.3 for mga3.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Charles
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Suddenly, Professor Liebowitz realizes he has come to the seminar
+</I>&gt;<i> without his duck ...
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+</I>&gt;<i> On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Registered Linux user #182463
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+&gt;<i> The question is: should we enable minidebuginfo by default?
+</I>&gt;<i> This adds 1-3% to each package but it makes us have usefufull traces by default
+</I>&gt;<i> (at least with function names)
+</I>&gt;<i> Not as good as having debug packages installed by default, but still better.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is enabled in FC18.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do we enable this?
+</I>
+Correction: like FC, we only keep compressed symbol list, not line numbers.
+So overhead is 0.5% for the whole /usr according to RH.
+
+My own tests:
+- perl-URPM: 0.7%
+- rpm: 0.01%
+- glib2.0: 0.9%
+- perl: 0.6%
+- perl-Gtk2: 1.4%
+
+I've also merged redhat feature about optimizing debug packages
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+&gt;<i> On 27 July 2012 18:56, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The question is: should we enable minidebuginfo by default?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This adds 1-3% to each package but it makes us have usefufull traces by default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (at least with function names)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not as good as having debug packages installed by default, but still better.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is enabled in FC18.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do we enable this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Correction: like FC, we only keep compressed symbol list, not line numbers.
+</I>&gt;<i> So overhead is 0.5% for the whole /usr according to RH.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My own tests:
+</I>&gt;<i> - perl-URPM: 0.7%
+</I>&gt;<i> - rpm: 0.01%
+</I>&gt;<i> - glib2.0: 0.9%
+</I>&gt;<i> - perl: 0.6%
+</I>&gt;<i> - perl-Gtk2: 1.4%
+</I>
+This minidebuginfo is embedded in the binaries and thus in the main
+(non-debug) packages, right?
+What's the estimated overhead for our live CDs?
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+For a _very loooonng time_, &quot;rpm -bX&quot; doesn't work anymore, one must
+call &quot;rpmbuild -bX&quot; instead.
+This is like this on every other distro.
+However, for a very long time, we provides alias for &quot;rpm -bX&quot; that
+call rpmb_deprecated,
+which prints '&quot;rpm -b&quot; is deprecated, use &quot;rpmbuild -b&quot;' and calls rpmbuild
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+I suggest it's time to drop these aliases and this wrapper.
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+<PRE>On 31 July 2012 16:32, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The question is: should we enable minidebuginfo by default?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This adds 1-3% to each package but it makes us have usefufull traces by default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (at least with function names)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not as good as having debug packages installed by default, but still better.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is enabled in FC18.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do we enable this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Correction: like FC, we only keep compressed symbol list, not line numbers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So overhead is 0.5% for the whole /usr according to RH.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My own tests:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - perl-URPM: 0.7%
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rpm: 0.01%
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - glib2.0: 0.9%
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - perl: 0.6%
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - perl-Gtk2: 1.4%
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This minidebuginfo is embedded in the binaries and thus in the main
+</I>&gt;<i> (non-debug) packages, right?
+</I>
+indeed.
+
+&gt;<i> What's the estimated overhead for our live CDs?
+</I>
+as those sections are already compressed, I would say the overhead
+would be slight bigger,
+maybe 1% instead of 0.5%
+
+I suggests we go with it.
+If it proves too big, we can disable it globally and enable it on a
+per package case
+(eg: glibc/rpm/perl-URPM/perl/glib/gtk/pango/cairo/libx11/perl-Gtk2/perl-Glib/kde*)
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+<PRE>On 31 July 2012 18:02, tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1:4.10.0-8.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 276795
+</I>&gt;<i> - patch 4000: merge find-debuginfo.sh changes from rpm-mageia-setup
+</I>&gt;<i> - temporary disable test suite as the full build takes 5mn locally &amp; on 32bits
+</I>&gt;<i> BS but 2 hours on jonud 64bit
+</I>
+Can someone who has access to the BS can check why the build is that slow when
+the testsuite is run on x86_64 (2mn vs 2 hours !!!!)
+
+24 minutes ago tv rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3 cauldron core/release
+ uploaded 2 minutes
+6 hours ago tv rpm-4.10.0-7.mga3 cauldron core/release uploaded 2 hours
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Thierry Vignaud
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 31 July 2012 18:02, tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 1:4.10.0-8.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 276795
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - patch 4000: merge find-debuginfo.sh changes from rpm-mageia-setup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - temporary disable test suite as the full build takes 5mn locally &amp; on 32bits
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BS but 2 hours on jonud 64bit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone who has access to the BS can check why the build is that slow when
+</I>&gt;<i> the testsuite is run on x86_64 (2mn vs 2 hours !!!!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 24 minutes ago tv rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3 cauldron core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> uploaded 2 minutes
+</I>&gt;<i> 6 hours ago tv rpm-4.10.0-7.mga3 cauldron core/release uploaded 2 hours
+</I>
+This is the difference between the submit time and the completion of build.
+It does not seem related to tests.
+It has tried and failed many time to create the chroot on jonund:
+
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120731105402.tv.valstar.5433/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120731105402.tv.valstar.5433/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 31/07/12 15:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For a _very loooonng time_, &quot;rpm -bX&quot; doesn't work anymore, one must
+</I>&gt;<i> call &quot;rpmbuild -bX&quot; instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is like this on every other distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, for a very long time, we provides alias for &quot;rpm -bX&quot; that
+</I>&gt;<i> call rpmb_deprecated,
+</I>&gt;<i> which prints '&quot;rpm -b&quot; is deprecated, use &quot;rpmbuild -b&quot;' and calls rpmbuild
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest it's time to drop these aliases and this wrapper.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+If it means dropping a patch, then I'm all for that.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and nicolas vigier at 30/07/12 17:39 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * nicolas vigier (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For years, we patch our rpm in order to support for /etc/rpm/macros.d
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (very old compat with rpm-4.4).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Upstream refused to merge it as &quot;/etc/rpm/ is a &quot;macros.d&quot; style
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> directory already, except in name&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In a previous mail Colin was suggesting moving all macro files to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/rpm/ instead of /etc/rpm :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017654.html">http://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017654.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think shipping macro files somewhere in /usr/lib/rpm with users using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> files in /etc/rpm to overwrite macros would be nice. Unfortunately this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probably requires an other patch to rpm.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe a patch to read /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/macros.* could be accepted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upstream ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ask for /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/*.macros instead !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *.macros would be better than macros.*, but macros.* is more consistent
+</I>&gt;<i> with what is already done in /etc/rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In /usr/lib/rpm/* we don't have the problem with *.rpmnew files because
+</I>&gt;<i> we don't have to flag them as configuration, as people are not supposed
+</I>&gt;<i> to edit them.
+</I>
+Yup, I'd be much more interested in this approach. I can't see upstream
+being against such a change. The only issue might be that a file call
+macros.foo in /etc tree might have to totally supersede a file called
+macros.coo in /usr tree (i.e. the one in /usr would not even be read) If
+this was the desired behaviour (and I think it generally should be) then
+the patch would obviously be a bit more complex, but again I don't think
+this is something upstream would be against in principle and I'm sure a
+few of the Redhat guys would agree.
+
+Col
+
+--
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 30/07/12 13:00 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On a pre-/usr cauldron which has intentionally not been updated, wine
+</I>&gt;<i> apps have suddenly stopped being able to &quot;see&quot; mounted DVDs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Checking syslog immediately after ejecting and reloading the disk, I find:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> **************************************************************************
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664794] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0]
+</I>&gt;<i> Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664798] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense
+</I>&gt;<i> Key : Illegal Request [current]
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664801] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Add.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sense: Read of scrambled sector without authentication
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664805] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB:
+</I>&gt;<i> Read(10): 28 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 02 00
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664810] end_request: I/O error,
+</I>&gt;<i> dev sr0, sector 4096
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664812] Buffer I/O error on
+</I>&gt;<i> device sr0, logical block 512
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697982] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0]
+</I>&gt;<i> Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697984] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense
+</I>&gt;<i> Key : Illegal Request [current]
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664801] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Add.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sense: Read of scrambled sector without authentication
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664805] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB:
+</I>&gt;<i> Read(10): 28 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 02 00
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664810] end_request: I/O error,
+</I>&gt;<i> dev sr0, sector 4096
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.664812] Buffer I/O error on
+</I>&gt;<i> device sr0, logical block 512
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697982] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0]
+</I>&gt;<i> Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697984] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense
+</I>&gt;<i> Key : Illegal Request [current]
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697987] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] Add.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sense: Read of scrambled sector without authentication
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697990] sr 0:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB:
+</I>&gt;<i> Read(10): 28 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 02 00
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697994] end_request: I/O error,
+</I>&gt;<i> dev sr0, sector 4096
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost kernel: [ 302.697996] Buffer I/O error on
+</I>&gt;<i> device sr0, logical block 512
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost systemd-udevd[32108]: failed to execute
+</I>&gt;<i> '/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event'
+</I>&gt;<i> 'socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event': No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost systemd-udevd[32109]: failed to execute
+</I>&gt;<i> '/lib/udev/socket:/org/kernel/dm/multipath_event'
+</I>&gt;<i> 'socket:/org/kernel/dm/multipath_event': No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:50 localhost udisksd[29333]: Error opening /etc/crypttab
+</I>&gt;<i> file: Failed to open file '/etc/crypttab': No such file or directory
+</I>&gt;<i> (g-file-error-quark, 4)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:54 localhost haldaemon[27164]: Starting HAL daemon: [FAILED]
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:54 localhost systemd[1]: haldaemon.service: control process
+</I>&gt;<i> exited, code=exited status=2
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:54 localhost systemd[1]: Unit haldaemon.service entered
+</I>&gt;<i> failed state.
+</I>&gt;<i> Jul 29 10:50:54 localhost systemd[1]: Startup finished in 1s 93ms 504us
+</I>&gt;<i> (kernel) + 5s 214ms 916us (initrd) + 5min 1s 511ms 645us (userspace) =
+</I>&gt;<i> 5min 7s 820ms 65us.
+</I>&gt;<i> *******************************************************************************
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Based on observation, the stuff timestamped 10:50:50 is the result of
+</I>&gt;<i> ejecting the disk, and the last few lines timestamped 10:50:54 are the
+</I>&gt;<i> result of reloading it, with the intervening 4 seconds consumed by
+</I>&gt;<i> reading the disk headers and such.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I seem to remember here that nothing is supposed to be using HAL, so
+</I>&gt;<i> it's puzzling as to why systemd would be trying to start it in response
+</I>&gt;<i> to the load. It's equally puzzling as to why this should suddenly
+</I>&gt;<i> affect wine, when nothing's been upgraded (this worked 2 or 3 days ago).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The disk is correctly mounted and identified by KDE, and is usable by
+</I>&gt;<i> k3b and command-line utilities. k3b also detects the load event, and
+</I>&gt;<i> switches its GUI prompt from &quot;insert a disk&quot; to the actual label.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is wine still hal-dependent when it ought not to be ?
+</I>
+FYI systemd is only used here because of a dbus activation request
+coming in. Possibly there are still one old udev rules or something
+similar that installs it.
+
+Personally I remove haldaemon and lib64halX from my systems and have
+done under mga1 too.
+
+I hope it will be gone completely by mga3. I think there is still some
+old perl code using it for dealing with install media in drak* as that
+was mentioned recently. Also I think draksnapshot uses it too.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+I am including here a log of the IRC conversation I had with some people on
+upgrading my x86-64 VBox virtual machine from Mageia 2 to Mageia Linux
+Cauldron. I could not get an adequate answer regarding it from anyone there and
+hope someone can help me here (I've waited long enough).
+
+For the record, I'm trying to restore my backups into the VM to a working
+state, and ran into a problem, see:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/12/14.html">http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/12/14.html</A>
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+Jul 27 16:28:01 &lt;rindolf&gt; OK, now /usrmove is giving me trouble.
+Jul 27 16:28:22 &lt;rindolf&gt; After following the instructions, it wants me to uninstall urpmi.
+Jul 27 16:35:57 * rindolf pokes coling
+Jul 27 16:36:27 &lt;rindolf&gt; coling: upgrade from a Mageia 2 system (inside a VBox VM) does not work due to the /usrmove.
+Jul 27 16:55:13 &lt;spturtle&gt; rindolf: what goes wrong? I did such an upgrade a few days ago
+Jul 27 16:56:12 &lt;rindolf&gt; spturtle: I've rebooted with the new dracut, but I still cannot install any packages due to missing rpmlib(X-$something).
+Jul 27 16:56:30 &lt;rindolf&gt; spturtle: the /usr move happened a few days ago too.
+Jul 27 16:57:12 &lt;spturtle&gt; so /bin and /lib symlinks are correct? latest rpm installed?
+Jul 27 17:07:34 &lt;neoclust&gt; rindolf: have you done the rw rd.convertfs at boot ?
+Jul 27 17:08:46 &lt;rindolf&gt; neoclust: don't think I did.
+Jul 27 17:08:52 &lt;rindolf&gt; neoclust: it's not mentioned on the UsrMove page.
+Jul 27 17:10:44 &lt;JohnR&gt; rindolf: it is here: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017532.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-July/017532.html</A>
+Jul 27 17:11:10 &lt;neoclust&gt; rindolf: step 4 in the page
+Jul 27 17:11:21 &lt;neoclust&gt; rindolf: Generate a new initrd and include the conversion script: dracut -f -a convertfs. Make sure you are currently running the latest kernel when you run this. If you have installed a newer kernel but not yet rebooted, then you will be generating an initrd for the current kernel, not the one you will use on next boot! Either adjust the command accordingly to include the initrd and kernel name specifically or just reboot firs
+Jul 27 17:11:53 &lt;tmb&gt; rindolf: yes it is... check point 8 on usrmove page
+Jul 27 17:11:57 &lt;rindolf&gt; neoclust: in this page - <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature%3AUsrMove">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature%3AUsrMove</A> ?
+Jul 27 17:11:58 &lt;erzulie&gt; [ Feature:UsrMove - Mageia wiki ]
+Jul 27 17:12:14 &lt;tmb&gt; At the bootloader prompt, edit the command line and append: rw rd.convertfs (without the quotes) to your command line and then boot.
+Jul 27 17:12:14 &lt;rindolf&gt; tmb: oh, I see. :-S
+Jul 27 17:16:42 &lt;rindolf&gt; tmb: I tried it - doesn't work - still the same problem.
+Jul 27 17:17:27 &lt;neoclust&gt; rindolf: remove the slpash silent to see more things and see error messages
+Jul 27 17:17:56 &lt;rindolf&gt; neoclust: I think the new dracut did not take place.
+Jul 27 17:18:29 &lt;neoclust&gt; rindolf: try to redo dracut -f -a convertfs
+Jul 27 17:21:03 &lt;rindolf&gt; neoclust: tried it - the same problem.
+Jul 27 17:21:26 &lt;neoclust&gt; rindolf: you can add on pastebin the output of the command ?
+Jul 27 17:21:37 &lt;rindolf&gt; neoclust: which command?
+Jul 27 17:22:13 &lt;neoclust&gt; dracut -f -a convertfs
+Jul 27 17:28:04 &lt;rindolf&gt; neoclust: OK, let me try.
+Jul 27 17:29:43 &lt;rindolf&gt; neoclust: here you go - <A HREF="http://paste.debian.net/180904/">http://paste.debian.net/180904/</A>
+Jul 27 17:29:44 &lt;erzulie&gt; [ debian Pastezone ]
+I: *** Including module: dash ***
+I: *** Including module: i18n ***
+I: *** Including module: rpmversion ***
+I: *** Including module: convertfs ***
+I: *** Including module: plymouth ***
+I: *** Including module: kernel-modules ***
+I: *** Including module: resume ***
+I: *** Including module: rootfs-block ***
+I: *** Including module: terminfo ***
+I: *** Including module: udev-rules ***
+I: Skipping udev rule: 50-udev.rules
+I: Skipping udev rule: 95-late.rules
+I: Skipping udev rule: 50-firmware.rules
+I: *** Including module: usrmount ***
+I: *** Including module: base ***
+I: *** Including module: fs-lib ***
+I: *** Including module: shutdown ***
+I: Skipping program kexec as it cannot be found and is flagged to be optional
+I: *** Including modules done ***
+I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3.img:
+I: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7202555 Jul 27 17:27 /boot/initrd-3.4.6-desktop-1.mga3.img
+Jul 27 17:29:58 &lt;rindolf&gt; neoclust: I should note that the urpmi command on that page refuses to install anything.
+Jul 27 17:36:31 &lt;neoclust&gt; coling: question for you too ;)
+Jul 27 17:39:00 * rindolf is away - walk.
+
+
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
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+ <B>John Balcaen</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am including here a log of the IRC conversation I had with some people on
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrading my x86-64 VBox virtual machine from Mageia 2 to Mageia Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron. I could not get an adequate answer regarding it from anyone there and
+</I>&gt;<i> hope someone can help me here (I've waited long enough).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the record, I'm trying to restore my backups into the VM to a working
+</I>&gt;<i> state, and ran into a problem, see:
+</I>
+[...]
+Did you install rpm/urpmi from updates/testing before ?
+If no you'll have (as i did) have to manually install first rpm &amp;
+dependencies directly via rpm due to the filesystem require [1] , than
+dracut, reboot to do the migration &amp; once you're done you should be
+able to update without problem.
+
+
+
+[1] see the thread named &quot; My feeeling about the
+rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency &quot; &amp; the circular dep
+problem.
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+ <I>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Our current mediawiki package in cauldron/core/updates_testing isn't
+working due to changes in mediawiki.
+
+As I don't have time right now, it would be great if someone could help.
+We do need that update for the translate extension we want to use on our
+wiki.
+
+So, if you have php knowledge, some time on your hand and you would like
+to play arround a bit, please do!
+
+Thanks,
+
+Oliver
+
+--
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+
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+ <I>Tue Jul 31 19:46:11 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi John,
+
+On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:42:03 -0300
+John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 2012/7/31 Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am including here a log of the IRC conversation I had with some people on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upgrading my x86-64 VBox virtual machine from Mageia 2 to Mageia Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cauldron. I could not get an adequate answer regarding it from anyone there and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hope someone can help me here (I've waited long enough).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For the record, I'm trying to restore my backups into the VM to a working
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; state, and ran into a problem, see:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you install rpm/urpmi from updates/testing before ?
+</I>&gt;<i> If no you'll have (as i did) have to manually install first rpm &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies directly via rpm due to the filesystem require [1] ,
+</I>
+Where can I find a script that will do that for me? Is there one?
+
+&gt;<i> than
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut, reboot to do the migration &amp; once you're done you should be
+</I>&gt;<i> able to update without problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] see the thread named &quot; My feeeling about the
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency &quot; &amp; the circular dep
+</I>&gt;<i> problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'll check it out - thanks.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Jul 1 01:03:12 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 796<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017122.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017150.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017156.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017179.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017190.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017191.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017198.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017219.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017387.html">[Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012
+</A><A NAME="17387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017427.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017464.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017715.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017805.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017808.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017825.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="17825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017064.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017067.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017069.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017073.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017077.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017080.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017082.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release fglrx-8.980-2.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="17082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017239.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017312.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017314.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017330.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017463.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GLIBC-2.16 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="17463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017467.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GLIBC-2.16 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="17467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017539.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017540.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017541.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017551.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017558.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017566.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017574.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017706.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017707.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017717.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017720.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-openchrome-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017722.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017733.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017737.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017793.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017155.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017283.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrading KDE to 4.8.97 (4.9-RC2)?
+</A><A NAME="17283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017322.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017323.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017687.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017740.html">[Mageia-dev] krunner crashing recently
+</A><A NAME="17740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017748.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017838.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017770.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017335.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017340.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017343.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017344.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017348.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017350.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-5.4.4-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017356.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017388.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017510.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017512.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glibc-2.16-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017516.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017560.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017563.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017564.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017567.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017568.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.12-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017572.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017581.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017582.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017583.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="17583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017611.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017613.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017659.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017667.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017668.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017680.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017684.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017757.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017761.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017763.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017764.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017768.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017788.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017789.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017816.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017829.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017804.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017714.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mahmut Bulut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017167.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017192.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017235.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017237.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017248.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017255.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017275.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017304.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017307.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017363.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017364.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017371.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017377.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017380.html">[Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012
+</A><A NAME="17380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017385.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017432.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017434.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017437.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017439.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017721.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017801.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017806.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017807.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017839.html">[Mageia-dev] Help needed on mediawiki
+</A><A NAME="17839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017260.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017285.html">[Mageia-dev] linuxfr LSM slides
+</A><A NAME="17285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017506.html">[Mageia-dev] problem installing latest mesa update
+</A><A NAME="17506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017734.html">[Mageia-dev] krunner crashing recently
+</A><A NAME="17734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017096.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017097.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017452.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017466.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017076.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017078.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017134.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017146.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017211.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes in chromium
+</A><A NAME="17211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017220.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017238.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org missing mga2 page
+</A><A NAME="17238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017262.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017273.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release chromium-browser-unstable-21.0.1180.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017417.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017494.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017616.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017795.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017474.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017079.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release fglrx-8.980-2.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="17079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017081.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017083.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017325.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release chromium-browser-unstable-21.0.1180.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017513.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017519.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017527.html">[Mageia-dev] Nvidia module uninstall issue ????
+</A><A NAME="17527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017536.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017544.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017547.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017549.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017557.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017623.html">[Mageia-dev] Filesystem doesn't upgrade because of missing dep
+</A><A NAME="17623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017691.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017823.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017824.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libetpan-1.1-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017517.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017523.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017685.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017690.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017052.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017053.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017095.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017106.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017129.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017244.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017282.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrading KDE to 4.8.97 (4.9-RC2)?
+</A><A NAME="17282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017296.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging mentor looking for apprentices
+</A><A NAME="17296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017479.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017480.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017481.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017485.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017484.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017575.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017576.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017587.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017597.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017599.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017772.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017837.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017840.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017048.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017086.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017090.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017246.html">[Mageia-dev] GUADEC - anyone going?
+</A><A NAME="17246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017777.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017418.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017780.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017241.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017267.html">[Mageia-dev] Complimentary article
+</A><A NAME="17267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017381.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017383.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017495.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017504.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017607.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017676.html">[Mageia-dev] Booting problems
+</A><A NAME="17676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017679.html">[Mageia-dev] Booting problems
+</A><A NAME="17679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017745.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017747.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017802.html">[Mageia-dev] HAL woes
+</A><A NAME="17802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017756.html">[Mageia-dev] problems running applications after following wiki about movving to /usr
+</A><A NAME="17756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017790.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to create kernel and grub files when using unsquashfs (before moving to /usr it used to install ok)
+</A><A NAME="17790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017797.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to create kernel and grub files when using unsquashfs (before moving to /usr it used to install ok)
+</A><A NAME="17797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017046.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017047.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017054.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017060.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017061.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017063.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017074.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017075.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017089.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017098.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017101.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017107.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017117.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017132.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017131.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017163.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017197.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload, readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017214.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017217.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017222.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017234.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017261.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017263.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017266.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017269.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017270.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017290.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017291.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017292.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017301.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017308.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017309.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017311.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017327.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gdm-3.5.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017332.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: enna package dropped
+</A><A NAME="17332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017333.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017334.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017336.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017338.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017339.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017341.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017342.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017345.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017359.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017365.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017366.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017367.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017368.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017372.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017379.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017382.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017394.html">[Mageia-dev] apache 2.4 incoming
+</A><A NAME="17394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017419.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017420.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017421.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017422.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017424.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017425.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017435.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shadow-utils-4.1.5.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017441.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017442.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017443.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017446.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017459.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017475.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017498.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017501.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017503.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017507.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017508.html">[Mageia-dev] problem installing latest mesa update
+</A><A NAME="17508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017531.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh!
+</A><A NAME="17531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017532.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017538.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017542.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017543.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017546.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017548.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017550.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017552.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017555.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017559.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017578.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017579.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017580.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017586.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017588.html">[Mageia-dev] usrmove fallout: sysvinit services rising from the dead
+</A><A NAME="17588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017591.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017596.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017598.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017601.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017602.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017608.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017609.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017612.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues? (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions)
+</A><A NAME="17612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017619.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017629.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017633.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to book after systemd 187 (was: Re: Failed to boot after /usr move)
+</A><A NAME="17633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017635.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017636.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017637.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017638.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017639.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017642.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017643.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017650.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017652.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017654.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017655.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017657.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017660.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017661.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017663.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017674.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017698.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017724.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017727.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017735.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017743.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017744.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017794.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017834.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] drop &quot;rpm -bX&quot; aliases
+</A><A NAME="17834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017835.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017836.html">[Mageia-dev] HAL woes
+</A><A NAME="17836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017051.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017253.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017256.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017357.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017728.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017729.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017731.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017732.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017736.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017741.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017746.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017779.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017798.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clementine-1.0.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017469.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve Havelka
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017070.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017072.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017094.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017161.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017175.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017170.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017399.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017762.html">[Mageia-dev] Package without signature - libqthelp4
+</A><A NAME="17762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017774.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017775.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="17775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017778.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017783.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017784.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017785.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017324.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017620.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017634.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017647.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017708.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017545.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017111.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017221.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017526.html">[Mageia-dev] backend change in kde 4.9 for cauldron.
+</A><A NAME="17526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017694.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017726.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017796.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clementine-1.0.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017505.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017509.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017252.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017767.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017247.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017688.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017173.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017430.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017683.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017730.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017742.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017166.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017196.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload, readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017215.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017298.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017625.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017626.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017614.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues? (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions)
+</A><A NAME="17614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017287.html">[Mageia-dev] linuxfr LSM slides
+</A><A NAME="17287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017604.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017313.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017402.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017403.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017449.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017515.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017525.html">[Mageia-dev] backend change in kde 4.9 for cauldron.
+</A><A NAME="17525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017534.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017554.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017618.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017755.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017769.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017044.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017360.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017395.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017497.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017502.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017677.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017710.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017259.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017453.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017114.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="17114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017115.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017118.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017091.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017319.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017099.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017103.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017105.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017108.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017178.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017193.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017216.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017460.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017571.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017592.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017251.html">[Mageia-dev] New mirror in Italy
+</A><A NAME="17251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefano Negro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017245.html">[Mageia-dev] Clearing up updates Management
+</A><A NAME="17245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017271.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting and features
+</A><A NAME="17271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017329.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017415.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017451.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017644.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017701.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017468.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017470.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017483.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017482.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017490.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017496.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017272.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017444.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017254.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017565.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017398.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017396.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017397.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017666.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>K R
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017243.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017210.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017212.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes in chromium
+</A><A NAME="17212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017553.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017672.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017681.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017686.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017749.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017153.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017180.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017182.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017184.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017194.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017202.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017226.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017229.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017321.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017673.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017776.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="17776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017148.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017158.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017160.html">[Mageia-dev] Features that need some helpers
+</A><A NAME="17160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017169.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017172.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017174.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017177.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017200.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017223.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017250.html">[Mageia-dev] borken networkmanager-applet ui
+</A><A NAME="17250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017320.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017347.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-5.4.4-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017351.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017352.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release suricata-1.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017369.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017373.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017375.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017391.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017393.html">[Mageia-dev] apache 2.4 incoming
+</A><A NAME="17393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017404.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017405.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017407.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017433.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017436.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017438.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017440.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017447.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017456.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017457.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017461.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017471.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017472.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017491.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017528.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017561.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017562.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017671.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017675.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017815.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017242.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017258.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017264.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017278.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017305.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017310.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017455.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017487.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017489.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017499.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017500.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017521.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017738.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017092.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017358.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017533.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017584.html">[Mageia-dev] libboost
+</A><A NAME="17584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017621.html">[Mageia-dev] Filesystem doesn't upgrade because of missing dep
+</A><A NAME="17621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017622.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017669.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017670.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017704.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017386.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017126.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017127.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017137.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017206.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017228.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017231.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017289.html">[Mageia-dev] New mirror in Italy
+</A><A NAME="17289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017302.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017337.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017392.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017413.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017416.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017477.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9 series?
+</A><A NAME="17477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017833.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017362.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017370.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017376.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017390.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017401.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017406.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017408.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017450.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017458.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017462.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017556.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017585.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017615.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017628.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017631.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017632.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017640.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017648.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017692.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017695.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017699.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017713.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017725.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017811.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017814.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017819.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017084.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017189.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017800.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017771.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017088.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017227.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017276.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5134] various changes
+</A><A NAME="17276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017277.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5083] fix Makefile
+</A><A NAME="17277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017315.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libmspub-0.0.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017316.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gdm-3.5.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017328.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017349.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shadow-utils-4.1.5.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017478.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release adf-gillius-fonts-1.008-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017530.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017590.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017593.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017594.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017600.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017603.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017624.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017627.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017645.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017646.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017678.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017697.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017702.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017716.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017718.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017719.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-openchrome-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017723.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017750.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017751.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017752.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017758.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017759.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017773.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glibc-2.16-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017782.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017792.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017803.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017809.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017826.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017828.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017830.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] drop &quot;rpm -bX&quot; aliases
+</A><A NAME="17830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017831.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017832.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017045.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017049.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017050.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017056.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017062.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="17062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017065.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017085.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017087.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM 3.5.2: ~/.xsession-errors is gone!
+</A><A NAME="17087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017093.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017102.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017109.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017119.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017168.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017195.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload,readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017265.html">[Mageia-dev] borken networkmanager-applet ui
+</A><A NAME="17265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017268.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017286.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017294.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017384.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017409.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017411.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017445.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Bug 6569] [New] Missing unoconv dependency in gnome-documents
+</A><A NAME="17445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017473.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017492.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017511.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017518.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017524.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017570.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017577.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017610.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017653.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017709.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017711.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017712.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017760.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017765.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017766.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017786.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017787.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017812.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017822.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017058.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017059.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017066.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017068.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017071.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017147.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017317.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017354.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017493.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017529.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [273095] SILENT: new file ./SOURCES/monodevelop-debugger-gdb-3.0.3.4.tar. bz2
+</A><A NAME="17529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017595.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017055.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="17055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017171.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017199.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017203.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017205.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017207.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017209.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017230.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017791.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017123.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017124.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (one more I missed, apache-mod_security)
+</A><A NAME="17124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017125.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017139.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017142.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="17142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017144.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017145.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017151.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017162.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017164.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017185.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017187.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017188.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017240.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017274.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017280.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed (status update)
+</A><A NAME="17280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017346.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017535.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017537.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017617.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017662.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017664.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017113.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017233.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org missing mga2 page
+</A><A NAME="17233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017288.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017476.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9 series?
+</A><A NAME="17476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017827.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017100.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017249.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017426.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017486.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017488.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017573.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.12-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017641.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017682.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017696.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017700.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017703.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017705.html">[Mageia-dev] _libexecdir (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017739.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017753.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017754.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017781.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017810.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017818.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017136.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017154.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017157.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017130.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017140.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017522.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017605.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017606.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017630.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017651.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017658.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017186.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017232.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017257.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017303.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017361.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017799.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017201.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017204.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017208.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017213.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017412.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017414.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017306.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017299.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017665.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017693.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017176.html">[Mageia-dev] I stand corrected!
+</A><A NAME="17176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017428.html">[Mageia-dev] gnash and webkit
+</A><A NAME="17428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paiiou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017104.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017116.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017135.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017138.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017141.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017159.html">[Mageia-dev] Features that need some helpers
+</A><A NAME="17159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017181.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017183.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017224.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017236.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017279.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5134] various changes
+</A><A NAME="17279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017281.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017374.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017656.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017813.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017817.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017820.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017821.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017110.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017112.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017120.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017218.html">[Mageia-dev] ardour running problems
+</A><A NAME="17218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017225.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017284.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017293.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017295.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017297.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017300.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017378.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017400.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017431.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017448.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017165.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017465.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:51:52 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <hr>
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+ <h1>July 2012 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Jul 1 01:03:12 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 796<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017044.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017045.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017046.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017047.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017048.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017049.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017050.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017051.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017052.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017053.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017054.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017055.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="17055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017056.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017058.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017059.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017060.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017061.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017062.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="17062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017063.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017064.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017065.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017066.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017067.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017068.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017069.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017070.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017071.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017072.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017073.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017074.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017075.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017076.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017077.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017078.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017079.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release fglrx-8.980-2.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="17079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017080.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017081.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017082.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release fglrx-8.980-2.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="17082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017083.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017084.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017085.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017086.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017087.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM 3.5.2: ~/.xsession-errors is gone!
+</A><A NAME="17087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017088.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017089.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017090.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017091.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017096.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017093.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017094.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017095.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017097.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017098.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017092.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017099.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017100.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017101.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017102.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017103.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017104.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017105.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017106.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017107.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017108.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017109.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017110.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017111.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017112.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017113.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017114.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="17114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017115.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017116.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017117.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017118.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017119.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017120.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017122.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017123.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017124.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (one more I missed, apache-mod_security)
+</A><A NAME="17124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017125.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017126.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017127.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017129.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017130.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017132.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017131.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017134.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017135.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017136.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017137.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017138.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017139.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017140.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017141.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017142.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="17142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017144.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017145.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017146.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017147.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017148.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017150.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017151.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017153.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017154.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017155.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017156.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017157.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017158.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017159.html">[Mageia-dev] Features that need some helpers
+</A><A NAME="17159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017160.html">[Mageia-dev] Features that need some helpers
+</A><A NAME="17160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017161.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017162.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017163.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017164.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017165.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017166.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017167.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017168.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017169.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017170.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017171.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017172.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017173.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017174.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017175.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017176.html">[Mageia-dev] I stand corrected!
+</A><A NAME="17176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017177.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017178.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017179.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017180.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017181.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017182.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017183.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017184.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017185.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017186.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017187.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017188.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017189.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017190.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017191.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017192.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017193.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017194.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017195.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload,readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017196.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload, readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017197.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload, readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017198.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017199.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017200.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017201.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017202.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017203.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017204.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017205.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017206.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017207.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017208.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017209.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017210.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017211.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes in chromium
+</A><A NAME="17211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017212.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes in chromium
+</A><A NAME="17212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017213.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017214.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017215.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017216.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017217.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017218.html">[Mageia-dev] ardour running problems
+</A><A NAME="17218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017219.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017220.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017221.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017222.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017223.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017224.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017225.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017226.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017227.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017228.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017229.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017230.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017231.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017232.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017233.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org missing mga2 page
+</A><A NAME="17233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017234.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017235.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017236.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017237.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017238.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org missing mga2 page
+</A><A NAME="17238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017239.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017240.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017241.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017242.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017244.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017243.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017245.html">[Mageia-dev] Clearing up updates Management
+</A><A NAME="17245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017246.html">[Mageia-dev] GUADEC - anyone going?
+</A><A NAME="17246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017247.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017248.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017250.html">[Mageia-dev] borken networkmanager-applet ui
+</A><A NAME="17250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017249.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017251.html">[Mageia-dev] New mirror in Italy
+</A><A NAME="17251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefano Negro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017253.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017252.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017256.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017254.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017255.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017257.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017258.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017259.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017260.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017261.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017262.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017263.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017264.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017265.html">[Mageia-dev] borken networkmanager-applet ui
+</A><A NAME="17265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017266.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017267.html">[Mageia-dev] Complimentary article
+</A><A NAME="17267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017268.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017269.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017270.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017271.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting and features
+</A><A NAME="17271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017272.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017273.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017274.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017275.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017276.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5134] various changes
+</A><A NAME="17276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017277.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5083] fix Makefile
+</A><A NAME="17277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017278.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017279.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5134] various changes
+</A><A NAME="17279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017280.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed (status update)
+</A><A NAME="17280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017281.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017282.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrading KDE to 4.8.97 (4.9-RC2)?
+</A><A NAME="17282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017283.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrading KDE to 4.8.97 (4.9-RC2)?
+</A><A NAME="17283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017284.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017285.html">[Mageia-dev] linuxfr LSM slides
+</A><A NAME="17285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017286.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017287.html">[Mageia-dev] linuxfr LSM slides
+</A><A NAME="17287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017288.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017289.html">[Mageia-dev] New mirror in Italy
+</A><A NAME="17289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017290.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017291.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017292.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017293.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017294.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017295.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017296.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging mentor looking for apprentices
+</A><A NAME="17296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017297.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017298.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017299.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017300.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017301.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017302.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017303.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017304.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017305.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017306.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017307.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017308.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017309.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017310.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017311.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017312.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017319.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017313.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017314.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017315.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libmspub-0.0.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017316.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gdm-3.5.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017317.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017320.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017321.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017322.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017323.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017324.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017325.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release chromium-browser-unstable-21.0.1180.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release chromium-browser-unstable-21.0.1180.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017327.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gdm-3.5.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017328.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017329.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017330.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017332.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: enna package dropped
+</A><A NAME="17332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017333.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017334.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017335.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017336.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017337.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017338.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017339.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017340.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017341.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017342.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017343.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017344.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017345.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017346.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017347.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-5.4.4-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017348.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017349.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017350.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-5.4.4-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017351.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017352.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release suricata-1.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017354.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017356.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017357.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017358.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017359.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017360.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017361.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017362.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017363.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017364.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017365.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017366.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017367.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017368.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017369.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017370.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017371.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017372.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017373.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017374.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017375.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017376.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017377.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017378.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017379.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017398.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017380.html">[Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012
+</A><A NAME="17380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017381.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017382.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017383.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017384.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017385.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017386.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017387.html">[Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012
+</A><A NAME="17387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017388.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017390.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017391.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017392.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017393.html">[Mageia-dev] apache 2.4 incoming
+</A><A NAME="17393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017394.html">[Mageia-dev] apache 2.4 incoming
+</A><A NAME="17394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017395.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017396.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017397.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017399.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017400.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017401.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017402.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017403.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017404.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017405.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017406.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017407.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017408.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017409.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017411.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017412.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017413.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017414.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017415.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017416.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017417.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017418.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017419.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017420.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017421.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017422.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017430.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017424.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017425.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017426.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017427.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017428.html">[Mageia-dev] gnash and webkit
+</A><A NAME="17428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paiiou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shadow-utils-4.1.5.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017431.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017432.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017433.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017434.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017435.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shadow-utils-4.1.5.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017436.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017437.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017438.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017439.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017440.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017441.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017442.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017443.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017444.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017445.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Bug 6569] [New] Missing unoconv dependency in gnome-documents
+</A><A NAME="17445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017446.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017447.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017448.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017449.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017452.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017450.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017451.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017453.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017455.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017456.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017457.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017458.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017459.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017460.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017461.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017462.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017463.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GLIBC-2.16 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="17463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017464.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017465.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017466.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017467.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GLIBC-2.16 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="17467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017468.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017469.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve Havelka
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017470.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017471.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017472.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017473.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017474.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017475.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017476.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9 series?
+</A><A NAME="17476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017477.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9 series?
+</A><A NAME="17477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017479.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017478.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release adf-gillius-fonts-1.008-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017483.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017480.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017482.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017481.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017485.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017490.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017484.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017486.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017487.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017488.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017489.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017491.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017492.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017493.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017494.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017495.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017496.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017497.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017498.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017499.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017500.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017501.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017502.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017503.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017504.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017505.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017506.html">[Mageia-dev] problem installing latest mesa update
+</A><A NAME="17506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017507.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017508.html">[Mageia-dev] problem installing latest mesa update
+</A><A NAME="17508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017509.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017510.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017511.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017512.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glibc-2.16-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017513.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017517.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017515.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017516.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017518.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017519.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017521.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017522.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017523.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017524.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017525.html">[Mageia-dev] backend change in kde 4.9 for cauldron.
+</A><A NAME="17525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017526.html">[Mageia-dev] backend change in kde 4.9 for cauldron.
+</A><A NAME="17526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017527.html">[Mageia-dev] Nvidia module uninstall issue ????
+</A><A NAME="17527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017528.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017529.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [273095] SILENT: new file ./SOURCES/monodevelop-debugger-gdb-3.0.3.4.tar. bz2
+</A><A NAME="17529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017530.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017531.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh!
+</A><A NAME="17531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017532.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017533.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017534.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017535.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017536.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017537.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017538.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017539.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017540.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017541.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017542.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017543.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017544.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017545.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017546.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017547.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017548.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017549.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017550.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017551.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017552.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017553.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017554.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017555.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017556.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017557.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017558.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017559.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017560.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017561.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017562.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017563.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017564.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017565.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017566.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017567.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017568.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.12-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017570.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017571.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017572.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017573.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.12-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017574.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017575.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017576.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017577.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017578.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017579.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017580.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017581.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017582.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017583.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="17583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017584.html">[Mageia-dev] libboost
+</A><A NAME="17584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017585.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017586.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017587.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017588.html">[Mageia-dev] usrmove fallout: sysvinit services rising from the dead
+</A><A NAME="17588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017590.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017591.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017592.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017593.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017594.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017595.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017596.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017597.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017598.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017599.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017600.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017601.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017602.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017603.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017604.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017605.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017606.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017607.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017608.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017609.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017610.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017611.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017612.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues? (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions)
+</A><A NAME="17612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017613.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017614.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues? (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions)
+</A><A NAME="17614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017615.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017616.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017617.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017618.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017619.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017620.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017621.html">[Mageia-dev] Filesystem doesn't upgrade because of missing dep
+</A><A NAME="17621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017622.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017623.html">[Mageia-dev] Filesystem doesn't upgrade because of missing dep
+</A><A NAME="17623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017624.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017625.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017626.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017627.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017628.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017629.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017630.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017631.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017632.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017633.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to book after systemd 187 (was: Re: Failed to boot after /usr move)
+</A><A NAME="17633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017634.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017635.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017636.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017637.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017638.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017639.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017640.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017641.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017642.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017643.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017644.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017645.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017646.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017647.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017648.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017650.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017651.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017652.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017653.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017654.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017655.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017656.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017657.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017658.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017659.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017660.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017661.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017662.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017664.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017663.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017665.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017666.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>K R
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017667.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017668.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017669.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017670.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017671.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017672.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017673.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017674.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017675.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017676.html">[Mageia-dev] Booting problems
+</A><A NAME="17676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017677.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017678.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017679.html">[Mageia-dev] Booting problems
+</A><A NAME="17679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017680.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017683.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017681.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017682.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017684.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017685.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017686.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017693.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017687.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017688.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017690.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017691.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017692.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017694.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017695.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017696.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017697.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017698.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017699.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017700.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017701.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017702.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017703.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017704.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017705.html">[Mageia-dev] _libexecdir (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017706.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017707.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017708.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017709.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017710.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017711.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017712.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017713.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017714.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mahmut Bulut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017716.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017715.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017717.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017718.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017719.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-openchrome-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017720.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-openchrome-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017721.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017722.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017723.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017724.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017725.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017726.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017727.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017728.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017729.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017730.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017731.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017732.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017733.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017734.html">[Mageia-dev] krunner crashing recently
+</A><A NAME="17734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017735.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017736.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017737.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017738.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017739.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017742.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017740.html">[Mageia-dev] krunner crashing recently
+</A><A NAME="17740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017741.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017743.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017744.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017745.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017746.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017747.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017748.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017749.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017750.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017751.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017752.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017753.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017754.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017755.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017756.html">[Mageia-dev] problems running applications after following wiki about movving to /usr
+</A><A NAME="17756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017757.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017758.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017759.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017760.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017761.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017762.html">[Mageia-dev] Package without signature - libqthelp4
+</A><A NAME="17762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017763.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017764.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017765.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017766.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017767.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017768.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017769.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017770.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017771.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017772.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017773.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glibc-2.16-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017774.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017775.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="17775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017776.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="17776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017777.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017778.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017779.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017780.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017781.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017782.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017783.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017784.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017785.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017786.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017787.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017788.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017789.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017790.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to create kernel and grub files when using unsquashfs (before moving to /usr it used to install ok)
+</A><A NAME="17790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017791.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017792.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017793.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017794.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017795.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017796.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clementine-1.0.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017797.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to create kernel and grub files when using unsquashfs (before moving to /usr it used to install ok)
+</A><A NAME="17797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017798.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clementine-1.0.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017799.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017800.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017801.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017802.html">[Mageia-dev] HAL woes
+</A><A NAME="17802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017803.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017804.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017805.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017806.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017807.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017808.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017809.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017810.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017811.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017812.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017813.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017814.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017815.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017816.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017818.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017817.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017819.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017820.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017821.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017822.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017823.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017824.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libetpan-1.1-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017825.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="17825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017826.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017827.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017828.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017829.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017830.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] drop &quot;rpm -bX&quot; aliases
+</A><A NAME="17830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017831.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017832.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017833.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017834.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] drop &quot;rpm -bX&quot; aliases
+</A><A NAME="17834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017835.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017836.html">[Mageia-dev] HAL woes
+</A><A NAME="17836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017837.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017838.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017840.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017839.html">[Mageia-dev] Help needed on mediawiki
+</A><A NAME="17839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:51:52 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>July 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Jul 1 01:03:12 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 796<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017455.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017456.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017521.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017524.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017738.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017755.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017829.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017732.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017733.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017735.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017736.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017737.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017739.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017743.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017744.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017748.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017750.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017751.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017752.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017753.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017754.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017758.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017828.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017831.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017653.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017654.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017655.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017656.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017657.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017505.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017507.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017509.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017406.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017408.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017478.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release adf-gillius-fonts-1.008-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release chromium-browser-unstable-21.0.1180.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017796.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clementine-1.0.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017798.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clementine-1.0.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017391.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017392.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017823.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017826.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017827.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017473.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017497.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017498.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017501.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017502.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017503.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017098.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017101.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017107.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017316.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gdm-3.5.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017327.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gdm-3.5.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017512.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glibc-2.16-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017773.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glibc-2.16-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017572.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017581.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017777.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017782.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017801.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017807.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017256.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017824.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libetpan-1.1-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017315.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libmspub-0.0.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017510.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017515.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017516.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.12-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017678.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017680.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017683.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017528.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017530.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017404.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017407.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017419.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017424.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017347.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-5.4.4-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017350.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-5.4.4-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017351.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017354.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017147.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017317.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017832.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017833.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017697.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017702.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shadow-utils-4.1.5.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017435.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shadow-utils-4.1.5.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017328.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017329.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017330.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017337.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017352.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release suricata-1.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017687.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017769.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017719.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-openchrome-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017720.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-openchrome-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017325.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release chromium-browser-unstable-21.0.1180.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017083.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017085.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017100.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017102.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017109.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017577.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017800.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017805.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017808.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017511.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017513.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017517.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017518.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017519.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017523.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017573.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.12-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017700.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017703.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017691.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017082.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release fglrx-8.980-2.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="17082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017079.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release fglrx-8.980-2.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="17079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017163.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017217.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017223.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017234.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017203.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017210.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017204.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017205.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017208.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017209.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017213.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017529.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [273095] SILENT: new file ./SOURCES/monodevelop-debugger-gdb-3.0.3.4.tar. bz2
+</A><A NAME="17529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017830.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] drop &quot;rpm -bX&quot; aliases
+</A><A NAME="17830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017834.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] drop &quot;rpm -bX&quot; aliases
+</A><A NAME="17834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017811.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017813.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017814.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017817.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017819.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017820.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017821.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017822.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017835.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017809.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017810.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017812.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017816.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017818.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017803.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017804.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017806.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017718.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017757.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017759.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017763.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017767.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017768.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017791.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017277.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5083] fix Makefile
+</A><A NAME="17277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017276.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5134] various changes
+</A><A NAME="17276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017279.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5134] various changes
+</A><A NAME="17279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017292.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017302.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017303.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017308.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017320.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017475.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017479.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017480.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017481.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017485.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017484.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017486.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017291.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017290.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017333.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017422.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017705.html">[Mageia-dev] _libexecdir (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017047.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017045.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017049.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017312.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017313.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017314.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017322.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017323.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017332.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: enna package dropped
+</A><A NAME="17332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017463.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GLIBC-2.16 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="17463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017467.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GLIBC-2.16 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="17467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017531.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh!
+</A><A NAME="17531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017532.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017534.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017536.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017539.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017540.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017541.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017542.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017543.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017544.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017546.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017547.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017548.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017549.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017550.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017552.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017553.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017554.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017555.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017556.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017557.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017558.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017559.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017564.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017566.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017567.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017568.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017570.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017571.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017574.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017575.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017576.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017578.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017579.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017580.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017582.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017585.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017586.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017587.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017590.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017591.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017592.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017593.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017594.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017595.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017596.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017597.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017598.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017600.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017602.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017603.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017604.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017605.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017606.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017607.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017608.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017609.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017610.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017611.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017616.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017620.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017624.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017625.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017626.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017627.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017634.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017637.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017638.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017639.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017645.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017647.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017659.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017661.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017741.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017799.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017815.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017393.html">[Mageia-dev] apache 2.4 incoming
+</A><A NAME="17393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017394.html">[Mageia-dev] apache 2.4 incoming
+</A><A NAME="17394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017533.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017535.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017538.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017560.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017561.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017562.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017563.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017218.html">[Mageia-dev] ardour running problems
+</A><A NAME="17218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017525.html">[Mageia-dev] backend change in kde 4.9 for cauldron.
+</A><A NAME="17525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017526.html">[Mageia-dev] backend change in kde 4.9 for cauldron.
+</A><A NAME="17526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017676.html">[Mageia-dev] Booting problems
+</A><A NAME="17676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017679.html">[Mageia-dev] Booting problems
+</A><A NAME="17679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017250.html">[Mageia-dev] borken networkmanager-applet ui
+</A><A NAME="17250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017265.html">[Mageia-dev] borken networkmanager-applet ui
+</A><A NAME="17265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017199.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017201.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017206.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017207.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017432.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017433.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017434.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017436.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017437.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017438.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017439.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017440.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017444.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017447.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017211.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes in chromium
+</A><A NAME="17211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017212.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes in chromium
+</A><A NAME="17212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017233.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org missing mga2 page
+</A><A NAME="17233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017238.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org missing mga2 page
+</A><A NAME="17238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017245.html">[Mageia-dev] Clearing up updates Management
+</A><A NAME="17245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017267.html">[Mageia-dev] Complimentary article
+</A><A NAME="17267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017381.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017382.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017383.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017130.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017137.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017140.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017583.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="17583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017070.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017071.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017072.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017073.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017088.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017089.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017094.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017092.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017161.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017165.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017175.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017239.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017349.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017430.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017446.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017474.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017090.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017096.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017093.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017097.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017633.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to book after systemd 187 (was: Re: Failed to boot after /usr move)
+</A><A NAME="17633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017615.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017619.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017628.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017629.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017631.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017641.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017643.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017159.html">[Mageia-dev] Features that need some helpers
+</A><A NAME="17159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017160.html">[Mageia-dev] Features that need some helpers
+</A><A NAME="17160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017621.html">[Mageia-dev] Filesystem doesn't upgrade because of missing dep
+</A><A NAME="17621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017623.html">[Mageia-dev] Filesystem doesn't upgrade because of missing dep
+</A><A NAME="17623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017405.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017409.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017414.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017415.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017417.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017468.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017469.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve Havelka
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017472.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017483.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017482.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017487.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017488.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017489.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017495.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017496.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017499.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017500.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017504.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017522.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017380.html">[Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012
+</A><A NAME="17380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017387.html">[Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012
+</A><A NAME="17387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017601.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017599.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017445.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Bug 6569] [New] Missing unoconv dependency in gnome-documents
+</A><A NAME="17445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017384.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017385.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017386.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017644.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017663.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017701.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017774.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017779.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017780.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017785.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017087.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM 3.5.2: ~/.xsession-errors is gone!
+</A><A NAME="17087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017378.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017395.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017411.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017420.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017428.html">[Mageia-dev] gnash and webkit
+</A><A NAME="17428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paiiou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017214.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017215.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017216.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017219.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017220.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017221.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017222.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017246.html">[Mageia-dev] GUADEC - anyone going?
+</A><A NAME="17246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017802.html">[Mageia-dev] HAL woes
+</A><A NAME="17802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017836.html">[Mageia-dev] HAL woes
+</A><A NAME="17836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017839.html">[Mageia-dev] Help needed on mediawiki
+</A><A NAME="17839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017359.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017360.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017372.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017421.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017425.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017426.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017443.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017176.html">[Mageia-dev] I stand corrected!
+</A><A NAME="17176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017051.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017054.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017060.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017063.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017064.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017074.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017081.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017400.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017402.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017403.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017418.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017431.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017441.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017442.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017448.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017449.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017164.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017166.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017169.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017162.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017170.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017172.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017734.html">[Mageia-dev] krunner crashing recently
+</A><A NAME="17734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017740.html">[Mageia-dev] krunner crashing recently
+</A><A NAME="17740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017261.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017262.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017273.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017263.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017775.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="17775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017776.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="17776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017584.html">[Mageia-dev] libboost
+</A><A NAME="17584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017367.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017398.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017396.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017397.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017399.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017401.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017285.html">[Mageia-dev] linuxfr LSM slides
+</A><A NAME="17285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017287.html">[Mageia-dev] linuxfr LSM slides
+</A><A NAME="17287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017464.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017452.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017465.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017466.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017837.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017838.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017840.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017115.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017116.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017117.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017118.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017119.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017122.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017139.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017141.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017825.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="17825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017708.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017713.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017714.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mahmut Bulut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017715.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017706.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017707.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017716.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017717.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017235.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017236.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017237.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017248.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017249.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017271.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting and features
+</A><A NAME="17271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017135.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017150.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017153.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017156.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017545.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017551.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017565.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017344.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017356.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017357.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017388.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017335.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017340.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017343.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017348.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017334.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017338.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017339.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017341.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017342.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017345.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017368.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017056.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017058.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017059.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017065.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017066.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017067.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017068.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017069.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017075.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017695.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017699.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017725.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017694.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017724.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017726.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017692.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017696.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017698.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017727.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017048.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017052.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017053.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017086.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017095.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017106.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017251.html">[Mageia-dev] New mirror in Italy
+</A><A NAME="17251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefano Negro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017289.html">[Mageia-dev] New mirror in Italy
+</A><A NAME="17289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017527.html">[Mageia-dev] Nvidia module uninstall issue ????
+</A><A NAME="17527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017126.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017127.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017129.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017630.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017636.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017651.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017652.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017658.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017660.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017762.html">[Mageia-dev] Package without signature - libqthelp4
+</A><A NAME="17762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017296.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging mentor looking for apprentices
+</A><A NAME="17296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017358.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017361.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017363.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017364.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017366.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017369.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017371.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017373.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017374.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017377.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017266.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017268.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017269.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017270.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017336.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017506.html">[Mageia-dev] problem installing latest mesa update
+</A><A NAME="17506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017508.html">[Mageia-dev] problem installing latest mesa update
+</A><A NAME="17508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017756.html">[Mageia-dev] problems running applications after following wiki about movving to /usr
+</A><A NAME="17756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017136.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017138.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017148.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017154.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017157.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017158.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017168.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017450.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017457.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017458.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017459.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017461.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017462.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017132.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017131.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017134.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017144.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017146.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017151.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017155.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017305.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017306.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017307.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017309.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017310.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017311.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017324.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017044.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017046.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017055.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="17055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017114.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="17114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017240.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017241.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017242.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017244.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017243.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017247.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017252.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017254.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017255.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017257.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017258.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017259.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017260.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017264.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017181.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017183.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017191.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017224.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017179.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017182.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017184.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017186.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017187.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017188.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017190.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017192.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017194.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017198.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017200.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017202.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017227.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017319.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017346.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017125.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017177.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017180.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017321.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017124.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (one more I missed, apache-mod_security)
+</A><A NAME="17124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017280.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed (status update)
+</A><A NAME="17280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017123.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017145.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017167.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017173.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017174.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017185.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017721.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017722.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017729.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017062.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="17062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017110.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017111.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017112.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017113.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017120.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017470.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017471.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017490.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017491.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017492.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017493.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017494.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017196.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload, readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017197.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload, readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017195.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload,readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017362.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017365.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017370.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017375.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017376.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017379.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017390.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017632.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017635.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017640.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017642.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017648.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017650.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017675.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017225.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017232.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017253.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017451.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017453.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017460.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017084.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017091.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017099.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017103.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017104.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017105.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017108.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017171.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017178.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017189.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017193.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017790.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to create kernel and grub files when using unsquashfs (before moving to /usr it used to install ok)
+</A><A NAME="17790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017797.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to create kernel and grub files when using unsquashfs (before moving to /usr it used to install ok)
+</A><A NAME="17797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017226.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017228.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017229.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017230.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017231.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017476.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9 series?
+</A><A NAME="17476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017477.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9 series?
+</A><A NAME="17477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017142.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="17142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017282.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrading KDE to 4.8.97 (4.9-RC2)?
+</A><A NAME="17282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017283.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrading KDE to 4.8.97 (4.9-RC2)?
+</A><A NAME="17283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017588.html">[Mageia-dev] usrmove fallout: sysvinit services rising from the dead
+</A><A NAME="17588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017613.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017646.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017667.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017709.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017710.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017711.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017712.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017723.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017760.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017761.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017764.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017765.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017766.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017787.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017788.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017789.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017792.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017793.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017612.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues? (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions)
+</A><A NAME="17612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017614.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues? (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions)
+</A><A NAME="17614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017050.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017061.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017076.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017077.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017078.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017080.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017668.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017684.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017674.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017677.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017688.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017537.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017617.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017618.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017622.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017662.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017664.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017665.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017669.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017670.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017671.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017693.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017704.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017770.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017771.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017772.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017784.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017786.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017794.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017795.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017412.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017413.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017416.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017427.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017272.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017274.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017275.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017278.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017281.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017299.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017304.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017666.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>K R
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017672.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017673.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017681.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017682.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017685.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017686.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017690.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017749.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017778.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017781.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017783.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017728.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017730.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017731.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017742.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017745.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017746.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017747.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017284.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017286.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017288.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017293.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017294.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017295.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017297.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017298.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017300.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="017301.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:51:52 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
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+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>July 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Jul 1 01:03:12 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 796<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01341097392- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017044.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341097392-01341145359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017046.html">[Mageia-dev] References to old udev services
+</A><A NAME="17046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341145024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017045.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341145024-01341145825- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017047.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341145024-01341145825-01341149601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017049.html">[Mageia-dev] a lot of packages need rebuilding against libavformat/libavcodec.so.53
+</A><A NAME="17049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341147325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017048.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341147325-01341155736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017052.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341147325-01341155736-01341212746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017086.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341147325-01341155736-01341212746-01341224075- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017095.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01341147325-01341156063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017053.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341153218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017050.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341153218-01341165992- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017061.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341153218-01341165992-01341176706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017076.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341153218-01341165992-01341176706-01341176968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017077.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341153218-01341165992-01341176706-01341176968-01341179691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017078.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341153218-01341165992-01341176706-01341176968-01341179691-01341180700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017080.html">[Mageia-dev] WARNING: systemd is landing!!
+</A><A NAME="17080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341154976- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017051.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341154976-01341159922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017054.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341154976-01341159922-01341165845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017060.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341154976-01341159922-01341165845-01341168000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017063.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341154976-01341159922-01341165845-01341168000-01341170092- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017064.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341154976-01341159922-01341165845-01341168000-01341170092-01341173626- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017074.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341154976-01341159922-01341165845-01341168000-01341170092-01341173626-01341181832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017081.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with systemd???
+</A><A NAME="17081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341162049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017055.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="17055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341163060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017056.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341163060-01341163933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017058.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341163060-01341163933-01341164475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017059.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341163060-01341163933-01341164475-01341170440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017065.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341163060-01341163933-01341164475-01341170440-01341171184- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017066.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341163060-01341163933-01341164475-01341170440-01341171184-01341171458- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017067.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341163060-01341163933-01341164475-01341170440-01341171184-01341171458-01341171899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017068.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341163060-01341163933-01341164475-01341170440-01341171184-01341171458-01341171899-01341172120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017069.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341163060-01341163933-01341164475-01341170440-01341171184-01341171458-01341171899-01341172120-01341173876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017075.html">[Mageia-dev] missing upload lib64edataserverui4-3.5.3.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341166034- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017062.html">[Mageia-dev] Slowly pushing GNOME 3.5.3
+</A><A NAME="17062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341173024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017070.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341173024-01341173116- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017071.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341173024-01341173116-01341173294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017072.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01341173024-01341173116-01341173335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017073.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341173024-01341173116-01341173335-01341214737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017088.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341173024-01341173116-01341173335-01341214737-01341215814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017089.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341173024-01341173116-01341173335-01341214737-01341223871- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017094.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341173024-01341173116-01341173335-01341214737-01341226620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017092.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01341173024-01341439004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017161.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341173024-01341439004-01341468100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017165.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341173024-01341439004-01341468100-01341504746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017175.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01341173024-01341839744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017239.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341173024-01342362699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017349.html">[Mageia-dev] draksnapshot, possible fix for a 30 duplicates bug
+</A><A NAME="17349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341180053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017079.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release fglrx-8.980-2.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="17079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341180053-01341185746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017082.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release fglrx-8.980-2.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="17082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341191088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017083.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341191088-01341212658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017085.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341191088-01341212658-01341226268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017098.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341191088-01341212658-01341226268-01341230390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017100.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341191088-01341212658-01341226268-01341230390-01341230740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017101.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341191088-01341212658-01341226268-01341230390-01341230740-01341230872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017102.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341191088-01341212658-01341226268-01341230390-01341230740-01341230872-01341254231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017107.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341191088-01341212658-01341226268-01341230390-01341230740-01341230872-01341254231-01341266848- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017109.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release evolution-3.5.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341195875- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017084.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341195875-01341216571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017091.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341195875-01341216571-01341259571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017108.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01341195875-01341228236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017099.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341195875-01341228236-01341231267- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017103.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01341195875-01341228236-01341238157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017104.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341195875-01341228236-01341238157-01341244579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017105.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341214379- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017087.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM 3.5.2: ~/.xsession-errors is gone!
+</A><A NAME="17087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341216145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017090.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341216145-01341221249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017096.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341216145-01341222521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017093.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341216145-01341222521-01341224778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017097.html">[Mageia-dev] Evolution strange menus
+</A><A NAME="17097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hugo Pereira Da Costa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341251120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017106.html">[Mageia-dev] net_applet segfaulting
+</A><A NAME="17106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341271548- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017110.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341271548-01341275347- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017111.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341271548-01341275347-01341278649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017112.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341271548-01341275347-01341278649-01341279828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017113.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341271548-01341275347-01341278649-01341279828-01341339866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017120.html">[Mageia-dev] some problem using convert from imagemagick
+</A><A NAME="17120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341312350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017114.html">[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer
+</A><A NAME="17114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341313306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017115.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341313306-01341314702- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017116.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341313306-01341314702-01341319644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017117.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341313306-01341314702-01341319644-01341325730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017119.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341313306-01341314702-01341319644-01341340346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341313306-01341314702-01341319644-01341421094- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01341313306-01341314702-01341324127- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017118.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341313306-01341314702-01341324127-01341340498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017122.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341313306-01341314702-01341324127-01341340498-01341394942- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341313306-01341314702-01341324127-01341404455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341355059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017123.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341355059-01341422621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017145.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341355059-01341422621-01341471586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017167.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01341355059-01341422621-01341482500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017173.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01341355059-01341484306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017174.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341355059-01341484306-01341533917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017185.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed!
+</A><A NAME="17185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341355517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017124.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (one more I missed, apache-mod_security)
+</A><A NAME="17124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341357705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017125.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341357705-01341516710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017177.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341357705-01341516710-01341519863- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017179.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341519863-01341534425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017186.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341519863-01341534848- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017188.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341519863-01341534848-01341554944- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017190.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017180.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017183.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665-01341528759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017184.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665-01341528759-01341555508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017191.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665-01341528759-01341555508-01341557762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017192.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665-01341528759-01341555508-01341557762-01341561825- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017194.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665-01341528759-01341555508-01341557762-01341561825-01341573581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017198.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665-01341528759-01341555508-01341557762-01341561825-01341573581-01341575873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017200.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665-01341528759-01341555508-01341557762-01341561825-01341573581-01341575873-01341576283- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017202.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665-01341528759-01341555508-01341557762-01341561825-01341748176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017224.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341524601-01341527665-01341528759-01341555508-01341557762-01341561825-01341748176-01341767841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017227.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01341357705-01341516710-01341525060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017181.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341525060-01341526849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017182.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01341357705-01341516710-01341534842- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017187.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341534842-01342189622- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017319.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341534842-01342189622-01342202482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017321.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341357705-01341516710-01341534842-01342189622-01342315223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017346.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)
+</A><A NAME="17346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341359673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017126.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341359673-01341359778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017127.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341359673-01341359778-01341398988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017129.html">[Mageia-dev] Old OpenSSL HOWTO [was Re: openssl regression]
+</A><A NAME="17129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341400028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017130.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341400028-01341412961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017137.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341400028-01341412961-01341418997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017140.html">[Mageia-dev] Decoding iptables message
+</A><A NAME="17140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341400615- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017132.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341400652- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017131.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341400652-01341404512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017134.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341400652-01341404512-01341422052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017144.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341400652-01341404512-01341422052-01341422854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017146.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341400652-01341404512-01341422052-01341422854-01341424108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017151.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341400652-01341404512-01341422052-01341422854-01341424108-01341427491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017155.html">[Mageia-dev] qt problems on mga2 updates_testing
+</A><A NAME="17155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341409491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017135.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341409491-01341424074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017150.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341409491-01341424074-01341425669- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017153.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341409491-01341424074-01341425669-01341427543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017156.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="17156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341412295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017136.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341417204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017138.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341417204-01341423668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017148.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341418357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017139.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341418357-01341419612- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017141.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341418357-01341419612-01341423933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341418357-01341419612-01341423933-01341424560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 feature proposals review
+</A><A NAME="17152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341419814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017142.html">[Mageia-dev] updating sshd kill ssh connection
+</A><A NAME="17142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341423285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017147.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341427145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017154.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341427819- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017157.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefan Wilhelm
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341427819-01341428180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017158.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341427819-01341472850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017168.html">[Mageia-dev] ProposedFeatureMageia3: Quickformat
+</A><A NAME="17168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341428341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017159.html">[Mageia-dev] Features that need some helpers
+</A><A NAME="17159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341428341-01341428732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017160.html">[Mageia-dev] Features that need some helpers
+</A><A NAME="17160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341440858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017162.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341440858-01341447946- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017164.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341440858-01341447946-01341471016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017166.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341440858-01341447946-01341471016-01341474426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017169.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 build issue
+</A><A NAME="17169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01341440858-01341477645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017170.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341440858-01341477645-01341479245- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017172.html">[Mageia-dev] krb5 paths issue
+</A><A NAME="17172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341443713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017163.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341443713-01341679975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017217.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341443713-01341679975-01341744837- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017223.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341443713-01341679975-01341744837-01341824614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017234.html">[Mageia-dev] [HEADSUP] systemd 186 landing
+</A><A NAME="17234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341478789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017171.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341478789-01341518143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017178.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341478789-01341518143-01341539095- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017189.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341478789-01341518143-01341539095-01341561774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017193.html">[Mageia-dev] UiAbstraction4mcc feature proposal
+</A><A NAME="17193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341509241- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017176.html">[Mageia-dev] I stand corrected!
+</A><A NAME="17176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341567858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017195.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload,readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341567858-01341568964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017196.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload, readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341567858-01341570223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017197.html">[Mageia-dev] Suggests for preload, readahead in task-gnome-minimal
+</A><A NAME="17197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341574977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017199.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341574977-01341575952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017201.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017203.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808-01341577321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017204.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808-01341577321-01341578888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017205.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808-01341577321-01341578888-01341586199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017208.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808-01341577321-01341578888-01341586199-01341589576- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017209.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808-01341577321-01341578888-01341586199-01341589576-01341590348- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017210.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341574977-01341575952-01341576808-01341577321-01341578888-01341586199-01341589576-01341593437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017213.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-bugsquad] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01341574977-01341580646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017206.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341574977-01341580646-01341581447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017207.html">[Mageia-dev] Bugzilla mass assignee ping
+</A><A NAME="17207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341590697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017211.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes in chromium
+</A><A NAME="17211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341590697-01341591602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017212.html">[Mageia-dev] Changes in chromium
+</A><A NAME="17212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341654455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017214.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341654455-01341655489- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017215.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341654455-01341660442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017216.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341654455-01341698372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017219.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341654455-01341698372-01341698594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017220.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01341654455-01341698372-01341705845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017221.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01341654455-01341698372-01341743729- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017222.html">[Mageia-dev] gphoto update for MGA2
+</A><A NAME="17222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341694323- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017218.html">[Mageia-dev] ardour running problems
+</A><A NAME="17218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341757913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017225.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341757913-01341804156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017232.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341757913-01341804156-01341944721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017253.html">[Mageia-dev] time between install and menu update
+</A><A NAME="17253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341760529- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017226.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341760529-01341771263- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017228.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341760529-01341771263-01341778692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017229.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341760529-01341771263-01341778692-01341778815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017230.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341760529-01341771263-01341778692-01341782868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017231.html">[Mageia-dev] Updates waiting to be pushed
+</A><A NAME="17231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341807252- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017233.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org missing mga2 page
+</A><A NAME="17233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341807252-01341827923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017238.html">[Mageia-dev] Check.mageia.org missing mga2 page
+</A><A NAME="17238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341824811- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017235.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341824811-01341826073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017236.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341824811-01341826073-01341826447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017237.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341824811-01341826073-01341826447-01341910326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017248.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341824811-01341826073-01341826447-01341915736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017249.html">[Mageia-dev] Mediawiki packaging changes
+</A><A NAME="17249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341859682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017240.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341859682-01341860309- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017241.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341859682-01341860995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017242.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341859682-01341863930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017244.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341859682-01341866551- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017243.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341859682-01341893118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017247.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01341859682-01341947325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017252.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341859682-01341947325-01341949301- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017254.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341859682-01341947325-01341949301-01341950331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017255.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341859682-01341947325-01341949301-01341969060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017258.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341859682-01341947325-01341949301-01341969060-01341969550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017259.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341859682-01341947325-01341949301-01341969060-01341969550-01341989945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017260.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01341859682-01341947325-01341949301-01341969060-01341969550-01342006876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017264.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01341859682-01341958355- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017257.html">[Mageia-dev] RIP Eugeni Dodonov
+</A><A NAME="17257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341870584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017245.html">[Mageia-dev] Clearing up updates Management
+</A><A NAME="17245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341890954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017246.html">[Mageia-dev] GUADEC - anyone going?
+</A><A NAME="17246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341914865- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017250.html">[Mageia-dev] borken networkmanager-applet ui
+</A><A NAME="17250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341914865-01342006948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017265.html">[Mageia-dev] borken networkmanager-applet ui
+</A><A NAME="17265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341940985- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017251.html">[Mageia-dev] New mirror in Italy
+</A><A NAME="17251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stefano Negro
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341940985-01342090280- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017289.html">[Mageia-dev] New mirror in Italy
+</A><A NAME="17289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01341948746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017256.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libbsd-0.3.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01341993768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017261.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01341993768-01341994064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017262.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01341993768-01341994064-01342000034- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017263.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01341993768-01341994064-01342000034-01342015190- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017273.html">[Mageia-dev] Last few packages with old udev dep... aka drop chromium-browser-unstable?
+</A><A NAME="17273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342007537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017266.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342007537-01342010344- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017268.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342007537-01342010344-01342011691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017269.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01342007537-01342012213- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017270.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342007537-01342012213-01342289003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017336.html">[Mageia-dev] Planning the /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342008389- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017267.html">[Mageia-dev] Complimentary article
+</A><A NAME="17267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342013450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017271.html">[Mageia-dev] Meeting and features
+</A><A NAME="17271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342014016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017272.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342014016-01342015790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017274.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342014016-01342015790-01342016866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017275.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01342014016-01342024634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017278.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01342014016-01342030180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017281.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342023281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017276.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5134] various changes
+</A><A NAME="17276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342023281-01342025157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017279.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5134] various changes
+</A><A NAME="17279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342023417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017277.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5083] fix Makefile
+</A><A NAME="17277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342027285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017280.html">[Mageia-dev] Security updates - help needed (status update)
+</A><A NAME="17280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342034782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017282.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrading KDE to 4.8.97 (4.9-RC2)?
+</A><A NAME="17282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342034782-01342042138- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017283.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrading KDE to 4.8.97 (4.9-RC2)?
+</A><A NAME="17283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342065091- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017284.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342065091-01342078385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017286.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342065091-01342078385-01342120458- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017293.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342065091-01342078385-01342120458-01342121513- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017294.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342065091-01342078385-01342120458-01342121513-01342123532- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017295.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01342065091-01342089752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017288.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342065091-01342089752-01342124523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017297.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342065091-01342089752-01342124523-01342126255- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017298.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342065091-01342089752-01342124523-01342126255-01342131870- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017300.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342065091-01342089752-01342124523-01342126255-01342131870-01342132029- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017301.html">[Mageia-dev] would it be possible to update gnome-tweak-tool ?
+</A><A NAME="17301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342068488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017285.html">[Mageia-dev] linuxfr LSM slides
+</A><A NAME="17285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342068488-01342080694- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017287.html">[Mageia-dev] linuxfr LSM slides
+</A><A NAME="17287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342104165- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017290.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342104165-01342268149- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017333.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342104165-01342268149-01342534022- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017422.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342106428- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017291.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Please Test: shadow-utils package (TCB auth related)
+</A><A NAME="17291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342115082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017292.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342115082-01342139036- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017302.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342115082-01342139036-01342149331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017303.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342115082-01342139036-01342167218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017308.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342115082-01342139036-01342167218-01342201657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017320.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] dahdi vs zapata: is zapata dead now?
+</A><A NAME="17320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342123780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017296.html">[Mageia-dev] Packaging mentor looking for apprentices
+</A><A NAME="17296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342127288- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017299.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342127288-01342161677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017304.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342162212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017305.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342162212-01342162426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017306.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342162212-01342162426-01342162736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017307.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01342162212-01342167357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017309.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342162212-01342167357-01342168759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017310.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342162212-01342167357-01342168759-01342169653- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017311.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342162212-01342167357-01342168759-01342169653-01342222053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017324.html">[Mageia-dev] Queation on importing mdv2010.2 packages
+</A><A NAME="17324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342182360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017312.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342182360-01342189772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017313.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342182360-01342189772-01342190832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017314.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342182360-01342189772-01342220278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017323.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01342182360-01342220046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017322.html">[Mageia-dev] akonadi-kde vs akonadi-google conflicts
+</A><A NAME="17322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342193108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017315.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libmspub-0.0.0-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342193451- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017316.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gdm-3.5.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342193451-01342263611- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017327.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gdm-3.5.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342194136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017317.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342194136-01342194354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release python-gobject3-3.3.3.1-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342224869- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017325.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release chromium-browser-unstable-21.0.1180.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342224869-01342227518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release chromium-browser-unstable-21.0.1180.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342265233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017328.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342265233-01342267123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017329.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342265233-01342267123-01342267827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017330.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342265233-01342267123-01342267845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342265233-01342267123-01342267845-01342291322- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017337.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release subversion-1.7.5-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342268065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017332.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: enna package dropped
+</A><A NAME="17332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342271742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017334.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342271742-01342283441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017335.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342271742-01342283441-01342291763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017338.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342271742-01342283441-01342291763-01342292657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017339.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342271742-01342283441-01342291763-01342292657-01342293114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017340.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342271742-01342283441-01342291763-01342292657-01342293157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017341.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342271742-01342283441-01342291763-01342292657-01342293157-01342293304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017342.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342271742-01342283441-01342291763-01342292657-01342293157-01342293304-01342297499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017343.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342271742-01342283441-01342291763-01342292657-01342293157-01342293304-01342297499-01342306762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017345.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342271742-01342283441-01342291763-01342292657-01342293157-01342293304-01342297499-01342306762-01342358204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017348.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342271742-01342283441-01342291763-01342292657-01342293157-01342293304-01342297499-01342306762-01342358204-01342427812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017368.html">[Mageia-dev] MGA2 Installer + Bootloader stage issue: initrd regeneration not happening?
+</A><A NAME="17368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342297616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017344.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342345755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017347.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-5.4.4-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342345755-01342365112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017350.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-5.4.4-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342370401- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017351.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342370401-01342377763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342370401-01342377763-01342378116- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017354.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342370401-01342377763-01342378116-01342380319- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release php-adodb-5.17-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342370436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017352.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release suricata-1.3-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342389606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017356.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342389606-01342390141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017357.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01342389606-01342467919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017388.html">[Mageia-dev] mesa doesn't build due to missing nouveau_device.h
+</A><A NAME="17388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342390903- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017358.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342390903-01342396723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017361.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01342390903-01342421961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017363.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342390903-01342421961-01342427304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017364.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342390903-01342421961-01342427304-01342427504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017366.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342390903-01342421961-01342427304-01342427504-01342427823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017369.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342390903-01342421961-01342427304-01342427504-01342427823-01342429306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017371.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342390903-01342421961-01342427304-01342427504-01342427823-01342429306-01342431060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017373.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342390903-01342421961-01342427304-01342427504-01342427823-01342429306-01342431148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017374.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342390903-01342421961-01342427304-01342427504-01342427823-01342429306-01342431148-01342432964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017377.html">[Mageia-dev] php-smarty vs. php-Smarty
+</A><A NAME="17377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342395275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017359.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342395275-01342396462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017360.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342395275-01342396462-01342430155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017372.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342395275-01342396462-01342533143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017421.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342395275-01342396462-01342533143-01342541292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017425.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342395275-01342396462-01342533143-01342541292-01342545746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017426.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342395275-01342396462-01342533143-01342541292-01342545746-01342605152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017443.html">[Mageia-dev] Help with libgcc1
+</A><A NAME="17443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342420361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017362.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342420361-01342427420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017365.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342420361-01342427420-01342428869- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017370.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342420361-01342427420-01342428869-01342431371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017375.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342420361-01342427420-01342428869-01342431371-01342432523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017376.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342420361-01342427420-01342428869-01342431371-01342432523-01342436182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017379.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342420361-01342427420-01342428869-01342431371-01342432523-01342436182-01342470155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017390.html">[Mageia-dev] System startup fails with crypted partitions
+</A><A NAME="17390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342427533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017367.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342427533-01342445743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017398.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01342427533-01342484177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017396.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01342427533-01342484325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017397.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342427533-01342484325-01342490099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017399.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342427533-01342484325-01342490099-01342505000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017401.html">[Mageia-dev] libpostfix issue.
+</A><A NAME="17401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342433027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017378.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342433027-01342481696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017395.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342433027-01342481696-01342515022- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017411.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342433027-01342481696-01342515022-01342523970- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017420.html">[Mageia-dev] gdm doesnt seams to work
+</A><A NAME="17420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342448080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017380.html">[Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012
+</A><A NAME="17380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342448080-01342461762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017387.html">[Mageia-dev] FrOSCon 2012
+</A><A NAME="17387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342455632- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017389.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342455632-01342473180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017391.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342455632-01342473180-01342474451- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017392.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342455632-01342473180-01342474451-01342622167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release crystalhd-0-0.20110315.2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342456311- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017381.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342456311-01342457054- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017382.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342456311-01342457054-01342457529- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017383.html">[Mageia-dev] Corrupted Postfix file ?
+</A><A NAME="17383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342459388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017384.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342459388-01342460004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017385.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342459388-01342460004-01342460203- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017386.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [opensuse-factory] cinnamon
+</A><A NAME="17386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342475400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017393.html">[Mageia-dev] apache 2.4 incoming
+</A><A NAME="17393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342475400-01342478033- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017394.html">[Mageia-dev] apache 2.4 incoming
+</A><A NAME="17394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342498925- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017400.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342498925-01342506120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017402.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342498925-01342506120-01342506369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017403.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342498925-01342506120-01342506369-01342521661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017418.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342498925-01342506120-01342506369-01342558619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017431.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342498925-01342506120-01342506369-01342558619-01342603236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017441.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342498925-01342506120-01342506369-01342558619-01342603236-01342604555- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017442.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342498925-01342506120-01342506369-01342558619-01342603236-01342604555-01342611764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017448.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Simple w
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342498925-01342506120-01342506369-01342558619-01342603236-01342604555-01342613310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017449.html">[Mageia-dev] k3b MP3 Audio Decoder plugin not found
+</A><A NAME="17449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342509381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017404.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342509381-01342510061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017406.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342509381-01342510061-01342510323- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017407.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342509381-01342510061-01342510323-01342511026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017408.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342509381-01342510061-01342510323-01342511026-01342511542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017410.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342509381-01342510061-01342510323-01342511026-01342511542-01342522822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017419.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342509381-01342510061-01342510323-01342511026-01342511542-01342522822-01342535172- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342509381-01342510061-01342510323-01342511026-01342511542-01342522822-01342535172-01342537211- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017424.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nsca-2.7.2-7.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342509435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017405.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342509435-01342511106- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017409.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342509435-01342511106-01342517987- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017414.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342509435-01342511106-01342517987-01342518148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017415.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342509435-01342511106-01342517987-01342518148-01342520080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017417.html">[Mageia-dev] For anyone complaining about cooker usability...
+</A><A NAME="17417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342517439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017412.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lists.jjorge at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342517439-01342517618- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017413.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342517439-01342517618-01342518522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017416.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342517439-01342517618-01342518522-01342548079- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017427.html">[Mageia-dev] What about a way to know how many installs?
+</A><A NAME="17427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342534220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017430.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342534220-01342608959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017446.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01342534220-01342690936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017474.html">[Mageia-dev] Dropping hal from Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="17474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342549559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017428.html">[Mageia-dev] gnash and webkit
+</A><A NAME="17428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paiiou
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342550302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shadow-utils-4.1.5.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342550302-01342598718- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017435.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shadow-utils-4.1.5.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342596427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017432.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342596427-01342598333- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017433.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342596427-01342598333-01342598578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017434.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342596427-01342598333-01342598578-01342599473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017436.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342596427-01342598333-01342598578-01342599473-01342600472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017437.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342596427-01342598333-01342598578-01342599473-01342600472-01342601910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017438.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342596427-01342598333-01342598578-01342599473-01342600472-01342601910-01342602450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017439.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342596427-01342598333-01342598578-01342599473-01342600472-01342601910-01342602450-01342603234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017440.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342596427-01342598333-01342598578-01342599473-01342600472-01342601910-01342602450-01342603234-01342605173- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017444.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342596427-01342598333-01342598578-01342599473-01342600472-01342601910-01342602450-01342603234-01342605173-01342611147- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017447.html">[Mageia-dev] Can't update to new apache package
+</A><A NAME="17447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342605428- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017445.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [Bug 6569] [New] Missing unoconv dependency in gnome-documents
+</A><A NAME="17445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342614112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017452.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342614112-01342643420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017464.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342614112-01342643420-01342648867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017465.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342614112-01342643420-01342648867-01342653110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017466.html">[Mageia-dev] LSI Logic Megaraid SAS not supported with install dvd
+</A><A NAME="17466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342614546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017450.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342614546-01342624805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017457.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342614546-01342624805-01342625979- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017458.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342614546-01342624805-01342625979-01342626927- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017459.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342614546-01342624805-01342625979-01342629248- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017461.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342614546-01342624805-01342625979-01342629248-01342631985- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017462.html">[Mageia-dev] puppet and the urpmi config
+</A><A NAME="17462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342614954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017451.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342614954-01342617119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017453.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01342614954-01342628483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017460.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="17460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342623221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017455.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342623221-01342624335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017456.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342623221-01342624335-01342793908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017521.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342623221-01342624335-01342793908-01342806132- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017524.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;Warning: unused libraries&quot; - Ok?
+</A><A NAME="17524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342637301- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017463.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GLIBC-2.16 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="17463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342637301-01342664080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017467.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: GLIBC-2.16 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="17467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342665348- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017468.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342665348-01342667464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017469.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steve Havelka
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342665348-01342667464-01342697886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017483.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01342665348-01342682415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017472.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342665348-01342682415-01342698712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017482.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01342665348-01342702509- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017487.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342665348-01342702509-01342703296- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017488.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342665348-01342702509-01342703296-01342703982- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017489.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342665348-01342702509-01342703296-01342703982-01342708312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017495.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342665348-01342702509-01342703296-01342703982-01342708312-01342712920- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017499.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342665348-01342702509-01342703296-01342703982-01342708312-01342712920-01342715904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017504.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342665348-01342702509-01342703296-01342703982-01342709731- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017496.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342665348-01342702509-01342703296-01342703982-01342709731-01342713510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017500.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342665348-01342702509-01342703296-01342703982-01342709731-01342713510-01342801952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017522.html">[Mageia-dev] free software purity question
+</A><A NAME="17522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342667954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017470.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342667954-01342677748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017471.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342667954-01342677748-01342699361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017490.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342667954-01342677748-01342699361-01342706943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017491.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342667954-01342677748-01342699361-01342707021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017492.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342667954-01342677748-01342699361-01342707021-01342707440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017493.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342667954-01342677748-01342699361-01342708154- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017494.html">[Mageia-dev] source rpms - newbie question
+</A><A NAME="17494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342686500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017473.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342692550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017475.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342692550-01342697632- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017479.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342692550-01342697632-01342697891- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017480.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342692550-01342697632-01342698823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017481.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342692550-01342697632-01342698823-01342699243- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017485.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342694150- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017476.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9 series?
+</A><A NAME="17476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342694150-01342695536- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017477.html">[Mageia-dev] Updating ruby to 1.9 series?
+</A><A NAME="17477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342697708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017478.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release adf-gillius-fonts-1.008-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342700431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017484.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342700431-01342702397- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017486.html">[Mageia-dev] [usrmove] Help building some unbuildable packages: db51 &amp; grub
+</A><A NAME="17486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342711823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017497.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342711823-01342712510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017498.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342711823-01342712510-01342713570- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017501.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342711823-01342712510-01342713570-01342713818- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017502.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342711823-01342712510-01342713570-01342713818-01342715684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017503.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342716563- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017505.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342716563-01342725225- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017507.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342716563-01342725225-01342726281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017509.html">[Mageia-dev] /var/run &amp; /var/lock on tmpfs ?
+</A><A NAME="17509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342718054- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017506.html">[Mageia-dev] problem installing latest mesa update
+</A><A NAME="17506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342718054-01342725312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017508.html">[Mageia-dev] problem installing latest mesa update
+</A><A NAME="17508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342732145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017510.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342732145-01342732354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017511.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342732145-01342732354-01342733321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017513.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342732145-01342732354-01342733321-01342733595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017517.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342732145-01342732354-01342733321-01342733762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017515.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342732145-01342732354-01342733321-01342733762-01342805368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017523.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342732145-01342732354-01342733321-01342733805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017516.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342732145-01342732354-01342733321-01342733805-01342735686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017519.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342732145-01342732354-01342733610- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342732145-01342732354-01342733610-01342734766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017518.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libsoup-2.39.4.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342733101- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017512.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glibc-2.16-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342788392- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release dconf-0.13.4-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342810411- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017525.html">[Mageia-dev] backend change in kde 4.9 for cauldron.
+</A><A NAME="17525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342810411-01342816686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017526.html">[Mageia-dev] backend change in kde 4.9 for cauldron.
+</A><A NAME="17526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342824906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017527.html">[Mageia-dev] Nvidia module uninstall issue ????
+</A><A NAME="17527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342860222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017528.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342860222-01342886522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017530.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release nfs-utils-1.2.6-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342867048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017529.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [273095] SILENT: new file ./SOURCES/monodevelop-debugger-gdb-3.0.3.4.tar. bz2
+</A><A NAME="17529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01342887238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017531.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh!
+</A><A NAME="17531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342887238-01342915978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017532.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017534.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017539.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980-01343036978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017590.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980-01343036978-01343037323- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017592.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980-01343036978-01343037323-01343037451- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017594.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980-01343036978-01343037323-01343037451-01343037927- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017595.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980-01343036978-01343037323-01343037451-01343038317- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017598.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980-01343036978-01343037323-01343037451-01343038317-01343048903- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017600.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980-01343036978-01343037323-01343037451-01343038317-01343048903-01343052338- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017602.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980-01343036978-01343037323-01343037451-01343038317-01343048903-01343052338-01343052849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017603.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342919875-01342920980-01343036978-01343037323-01343037451-01343038317-01343048903-01343052338-01343052849-01343055096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017608.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342920530- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017536.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342920530-01342921025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017540.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342920530-01342922617- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017543.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342921124- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017541.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017542.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342927088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017544.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342927088-01342945166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017546.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342927088-01342945166-01342947190- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017547.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342927088-01342945166-01342947190-01342947567- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017548.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342927088-01342945166-01342947190-01342947567-01342948828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017549.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342927088-01342945166-01342947190-01342947567-01342948828-01342949952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017550.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342927088-01342945166-01342947190-01342947567-01342948828-01342949952-01342956193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017557.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342927088-01342945166-01342947190-01342947567-01342948828-01342949952-01342956193-01342956356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017558.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342953739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017552.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342953739-01343053457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017605.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342953739-01343053457-01343053793- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017606.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342953739-01343053457-01343070492- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017611.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342953739-01343053457-01343070492-01343111282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017626.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342921182-01342953739-01343053457-01343070492-01343111282-01343121724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017637.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342954602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017553.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342954602-01342954715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017554.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342954602-01342954715-01342955013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017555.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342954602-01342954715-01342955013-01342955575- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017556.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342954602-01342954715-01342955013-01342955575-01342956370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017559.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342954602-01342954715-01342955013-01342955575-01342956370-01342970060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017571.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342954602-01342954715-01342955013-01342955575-01342956370-01342970060-01342972547- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017574.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342962091- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017564.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342962091-01342977232- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017578.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342962091-01342977232-01342978187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017582.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342962637- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017566.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342964414- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017567.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342965838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017568.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017570.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017579.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017593.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343038042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017596.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017610.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017612.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues? (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions)
+</A><A NAME="17612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017613.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343124670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017646.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343124670-01343166762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017667.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017709.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343350335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017710.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343350335-01343352066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017711.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343350335-01343352066-01343352634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017712.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343350335-01343423026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017761.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343378991- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017723.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343378991-01343425188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017765.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343422307- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017760.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343422307-01343424944- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017764.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343422307-01343424944-01343425268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017766.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343422307-01343424944-01343505450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017787.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343422307-01343424944-01343505450-01343506040- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017788.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343422307-01343424944-01343505450-01343506040-01343506908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017789.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343422307-01343424944-01343505450-01343506040-01343506908-01343550451- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017792.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343074991-01343349240-01343422307-01343424944-01343505450-01343506040-01343506908-01343550451-01343554881- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017793.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues?
+</A><A NAME="17793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343074438-01343075778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017614.html">[Mageia-dev] Video/X/GL/gnome-shell issues? (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions)
+</A><A NAME="17614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342969330-01342977332-01343037331-01343068309-01343107826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017624.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01342975618- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017575.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342975618-01342975875- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017576.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342975618-01342975875-01342977514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017580.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342975618-01342975875-01342977514-01343025427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017585.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342975618-01342975875-01342977514-01343025427-01343031214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017586.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01342975618-01342975875-01342977514-01343031928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017587.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01343036925- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343036925-01343037186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017591.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01343052881- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017604.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01343054546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017607.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343054546-01343055264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017609.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01343081122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017616.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343081122-01343086331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017620.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343081122-01343086331-01343110883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017625.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343081122-01343086331-01343110883-01343121319- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017634.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343081122-01343086331-01343110883-01343121319-01343121907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017638.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343081122-01343086331-01343110883-01343121319-01343121907-01343125009- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017647.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343081122-01343086331-01343110883-01343121319-01343121907-01343125009-01343127500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01343112303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017627.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343112303-01343122113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017639.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343112303-01343122113-01343124519- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017645.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343112303-01343122113-01343124519-01343147439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017659.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343112303-01343122113-01343124519-01343147439-01343147583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017661.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343112303-01343122113-01343124519-01343147439-01343147583-01343402224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017741.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342887238-01342915978-01343624794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017799.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342887238-01342915978-01343624794-01343664801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017815.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342917313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017533.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342917313-01342920310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017535.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342917313-01342920310-01342958822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017560.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01342917313-01342920310-01342960796- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017562.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342917313-01342920310-01342960796-01342961140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017563.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01342917313-01342920807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017538.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342917313-01342920807-01342960655- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017561.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm gone
+</A><A NAME="17561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342920556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017537.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342920556-01343081957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017617.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342920556-01343081957-01343082305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017618.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342920556-01343081957-01343082305-01343149151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017664.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342920556-01343081957-01343082305-01343149151-01343203685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017671.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01342920556-01343081957-01343103815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017622.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01342920556-01343081957-01343103815-01343149113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017662.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01342920556-01343081957-01343103815-01343149113-01343178812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017669.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342936451- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017545.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342936451-01342952866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017551.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01342936451-01342962604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017565.html">[Mageia-dev] Merge MCC and KDE config center
+</A><A NAME="17565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342966943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017569.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.12-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342966943-01342971114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017573.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libusbx-1.0.12-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342970978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017572.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01342970978-01342976798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017577.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01342970978-01342976798-01342978074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017581.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-control-center-3.5.5-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01342979922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017583.html">[Mageia-dev] don't update perl modules yet
+</A><A NAME="17583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343014226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017584.html">[Mageia-dev] libboost
+</A><A NAME="17584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343035077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017588.html">[Mageia-dev] usrmove fallout: sysvinit services rising from the dead
+</A><A NAME="17588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343038129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017597.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343042110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017599.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343042110-01343052085- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017601.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: ANNOUNCE: The /usr move cometh! &lt;---- Instructions
+</A><A NAME="17601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343078827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017615.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343078827-01343082871- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017619.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343078827-01343082871-01343113611- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017628.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343078827-01343082871-01343113611-01343118518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017629.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343078827-01343082871-01343113611-01343118518-01343119444- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017631.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343078827-01343082871-01343113611-01343118518-01343119444-01343121129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017633.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to book after systemd 187 (was: Re: Failed to boot after /usr move)
+</A><A NAME="17633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343078827-01343082871-01343113611-01343118518-01343119444-01343123495- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017641.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343078827-01343082871-01343113611-01343118518-01343119444-01343123495-01343124323- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017643.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed to boot after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343103770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017621.html">[Mageia-dev] Filesystem doesn't upgrade because of missing dep
+</A><A NAME="17621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343103770-01343104579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017623.html">[Mageia-dev] Filesystem doesn't upgrade because of missing dep
+</A><A NAME="17623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343119333- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017630.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343119333-01343121602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017636.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343119333-01343121602-01343137342- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017651.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343119333-01343121602-01343137342-01343138951- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017652.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343119333-01343121602-01343137342-01343138951-01343145884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017658.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343119333-01343121602-01343137342-01343138951-01343145884-01343147514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017660.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343120521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017632.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343120521-01343121520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017635.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343120521-01343121520-01343123256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017640.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343120521-01343121520-01343123256-01343123750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017642.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343120521-01343121520-01343123256-01343123750-01343125086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017648.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343120521-01343121520-01343123256-01343123750-01343125086-01343128270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017650.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01343120521-01343121520-01343218550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017675.html">[Mageia-dev] Systemd improvement
+</A><A NAME="17675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343124370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017644.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343124370-01343149204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017663.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343124370-01343149204-01343304926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017701.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343124370-01343149204-01343304926-01343475135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017774.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343124370-01343149204-01343304926-01343475135-01343481150- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017779.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343124370-01343149204-01343304926-01343475135-01343481150-01343482276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017780.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343124370-01343149204-01343304926-01343475135-01343481150-01343482276-01343493122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017785.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [VDPAU] [PATCH] Implement workarounds for Adobe Flash bugs
+</A><A NAME="17785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343139102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017653.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343139102-01343139959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017654.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343139102-01343139959-01343140460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017655.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01343139102-01343139959-01343140556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017656.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343139102-01343139959-01343140556-01343143778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017657.html">[Mageia-dev] %{_unitdir} after /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343155341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017665.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343155341-01343189176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017670.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343160642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017666.html">[Mageia-dev] what to do about misc packages?
+</A><A NAME="17666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>K R
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343170820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017668.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343170820-01343213172- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017674.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343170820-01343213172-01343227925- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017677.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343170820-01343213172-01343227925-01343247696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017684.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343170820-01343213172-01343227925-01343247696-01343279157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017688.html">[Mageia-dev] wayland in cauldron (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release weston-0.95.0-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343203837- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017672.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343203837-01343207479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017673.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343203837-01343207479-01343237173- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017681.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343203837-01343207479-01343237173-01343239526- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017682.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343203837-01343207479-01343237173-01343239526-01343480628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017778.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343203837-01343207479-01343237173-01343239526-01343480628-01343482464- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017781.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343203837-01343207479-01343237173-01343239526-01343480628-01343482464-01343492912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017783.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343203837-01343207479-01343237173-01343249947- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017685.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343203837-01343207479-01343237173-01343249947-01343255272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017686.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343203837-01343207479-01343237173-01343249947-01343255272-01343279867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017690.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343203837-01343207479-01343237173-01343249947-01343255272-01343279867-01343408047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017749.html">[Mageia-dev] What to use instead of /dev/usb/lp*
+</A><A NAME="17749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343220461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017676.html">[Mageia-dev] Booting problems
+</A><A NAME="17676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343220461-01343230931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017679.html">[Mageia-dev] Booting problems
+</A><A NAME="17679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343228711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017678.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343228711-01343231571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017680.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343228711-01343231571-01343231965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017683.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-8.1.0-0.git20120724.1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343261617- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017693.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>n54 at gmx.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343261617-01343311671- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017704.html">[Mageia-dev] Weird boost subpackage (lib64 in i586)
+</A><A NAME="17704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343269739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017687.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343269739-01343279206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01343269739-01343281073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017691.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343269739-01343281073-01343435634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017769.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release telepathy-salut-0.8.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343286308- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017692.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343286308-01343293168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017694.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343286308-01343293168-01343293530- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017695.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01343286308-01343294654- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017696.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01343286308-01343298365- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017698.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343286308-01343298365-01343304344- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017699.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343286308-01343298365-01343304344-01343381199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017724.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343286308-01343298365-01343304344-01343381199-01343383609- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017725.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01343286308-01343298365-01343384021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017726.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343286308-01343298365-01343384021-01343385052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017727.html">[Mageia-dev] My feeeling about the rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) dependency
+</A><A NAME="17727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343297424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017697.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343297424-01343304770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017700.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343297424-01343304770-01343308783- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017702.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343297424-01343304770-01343308783-01343311210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017703.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343297424-01343304770-01343308783-01343321609- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017705.html">[Mageia-dev] _libexecdir (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-mageia-setup-1.148-1.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="17705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343338461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017706.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343338461-01343339880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017707.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343338461-01343339880-01343375298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017716.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343338461-01343339880-01343375298-01343376268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017717.html">[Mageia-dev] maven.prov rpm script broken...
+</A><A NAME="17717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343345201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017708.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343372498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017713.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343372498-01343374206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017714.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mahmut Bulut
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01343372498-01343375342- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017715.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia on Raspberry-Pi (ARM port)
+</A><A NAME="17715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343376681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017718.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343376681-01343420791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017757.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343376681-01343420791-01343421269- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017759.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343376681-01343420791-01343421269-01343424815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017763.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343376681-01343420791-01343421269-01343424815-01343548704- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017791.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01343376681-01343420791-01343428364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017767.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343376681-01343420791-01343428364-01343429745- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017768.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [5019] drop duplicated Mageia wording
+</A><A NAME="17768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343376755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017719.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-openchrome-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343376755-01343377086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017720.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release x11-driver-video-openchrome-0.3.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343377108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017721.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343377108-01343377319- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017722.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343377108-01343377319-01343390376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017729.html">[Mageia-dev] Set priorities of dependancies
+</A><A NAME="17729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343389962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017728.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343389962-01343392046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017730.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343389962-01343392046-01343394659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017731.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343389962-01343392046-01343394659-01343401488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017742.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343389962-01343392046-01343394659-01343401488-01343405933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017745.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343389962-01343392046-01343394659-01343401488-01343405933-01343406054- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017746.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343389962-01343392046-01343394659-01343401488-01343405933-01343406054-01343406167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017747.html">[Mageia-dev] wine [263611] new version 1.5.7
+</A><A NAME="17747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343397336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017732.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343397336-01343397736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017733.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017735.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017736.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017737.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343399824- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017738.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343399824-01343405171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017744.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343400326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017739.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343405120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017743.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343405120-01343418005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017753.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343407062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017748.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343408174- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017750.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343408174-01343411117- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017752.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343408174-01343418216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017754.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343408174-01343418216-01343418545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017755.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343408174-01343418216-01343421234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017758.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343408174-01343743429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017828.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343408174-01343743429-01343745179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017829.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343397336-01343397736-01343398332-01343398581-01343398883-01343408174-01343743429-01343745179-01343745720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017831.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01343397336-01343408448- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017751.html">[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but
+</A><A NAME="17751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343398240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017734.html">[Mageia-dev] krunner crashing recently
+</A><A NAME="17734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Scott Chevalley
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343398240-01343401568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017740.html">[Mageia-dev] krunner crashing recently
+</A><A NAME="17740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343418907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017756.html">[Mageia-dev] problems running applications after following wiki about movving to /usr
+</A><A NAME="17756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343424035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017762.html">[Mageia-dev] Package without signature - libqthelp4
+</A><A NAME="17762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343450434- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017770.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343450434-01343451298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017771.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01343450434-01343465741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017772.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343450434-01343465741-01343493054- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017784.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01343450434-01343497282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017786.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343450434-01343497282-01343556958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017794.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01343450434-01343559404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017795.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome new packager: vaci0
+</A><A NAME="17795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343473404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017773.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glibc-2.16-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343475913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017775.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="17775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343475913-01343476433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017776.html">[Mageia-dev] Last signs of life from maintainers in Bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="17776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343477029- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017777.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343483130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017782.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343483130-01343648157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017800.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343483130-01343648157-01343648610- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017801.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343483130-01343648157-01343648610-01343652474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017805.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343483130-01343648157-01343648610-01343652474-01343652629- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017807.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343483130-01343648157-01343648610-01343652474-01343652629-01343654682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017808.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.5.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343537718- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017790.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to create kernel and grub files when using unsquashfs (before moving to /usr it used to install ok)
+</A><A NAME="17790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343537718-01343587540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017797.html">[Mageia-dev] unable to create kernel and grub files when using unsquashfs (before moving to /usr it used to install ok)
+</A><A NAME="17797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pedro Gs
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343577747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017796.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clementine-1.0.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343577747-01343591339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017798.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release clementine-1.0.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343649642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017802.html">[Mageia-dev] HAL woes
+</A><A NAME="17802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343649642-01343754277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017836.html">[Mageia-dev] HAL woes
+</A><A NAME="17836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343651032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017803.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343651032-01343652106- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017804.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343651032-01343652106-01343652581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017806.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [4436] german keyboard: default to variant with enabled deadkeys instead of &quot;nodeadkeys variant&quot; ( mga#3791)
+</A><A NAME="17806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343659674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017809.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343659674-01343660433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017810.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343659674-01343660433-01343661299- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017811.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01343659674-01343661916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017812.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343659674-01343661916-01343664812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017816.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343659674-01343661916-01343664812-01343665262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017818.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343659674-01343661916-01343664812-01343665266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017817.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343659674-01343661916-01343664812-01343665322- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017819.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343659674-01343661916-01343664812-01343665322-01343667301- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017821.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343659674-01343661916-01343664812-01343665322-01343667301-01343680916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017822.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01343659674-01343664313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017813.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343659674-01343664313-01343664475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017814.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01343659674-01343664313-01343664475-01343666343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017820.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01343659674-01343664313-01343664475-01343666343-01343753901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017835.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] remove support for /etc/rpm/macros.d/*.macros
+</A><A NAME="17835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343694917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017823.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343694917-01343720481- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017826.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01343694917-01343722486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017827.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release db53-5.3.21-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343695150- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017824.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libetpan-1.1-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343718395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017825.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia ARM on Raspberry Pi
+</A><A NAME="17825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Armando B.
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343745348- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017830.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] drop &quot;rpm -bX&quot; aliases
+</A><A NAME="17830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343745348-01343753421- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017834.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] drop &quot;rpm -bX&quot; aliases
+</A><A NAME="17834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343751924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017832.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343751924-01343752683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017833.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release rpm-4.10.0-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="17833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343755578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017837.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343755578-01343756523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017838.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343755578-01343756523-01343756771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017840.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 in VirtualBox fails to upgrade to Mageia Cauldron due to /usr move
+</A><A NAME="17840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343758039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="017839.html">[Mageia-dev] Help needed on mediawiki
+</A><A NAME="17839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Jul 31 20:07:19 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Jul 31 20:51:52 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
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