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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+ <I>Thu Jul 5 23:51:00 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 05 Jul 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 04/07/2012 01:21, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, think I've got them all now.
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg in Mageia 1, it may be sufficient to borrow the patches from the mplayer update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For avidemux in Mageia 2, patches will need to be pulled from ffmpeg GIT.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6427</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I spent some time today to help the QA team to manage those pending
+</I>&gt;<i> security updates. And for the second time in a week, I've been facing
+</I>&gt;<i> rather unpleasant attitude from someone else from the same team:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5939</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder how we're supposed to work together when expressing an opinion
+</I>&gt;<i> about issues prioritization expose you to harsh comment from someone unable
+</I>&gt;<i> to express his disagreement without agressivity. That's not much point
+</I>&gt;<i> ressorting to &quot;we're all in the same boat&quot; kind of metaphor during IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> meeting to thereafter suggest to leave the board to people expressing
+</I>&gt;<i> concerns about the boat heading...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, before any further contribution from my side, I'd like the people in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of security updates to find some internal agreement about what kind
+</I>&gt;<i> of help they expect from other people exactly. If that's just to push a
+</I>&gt;<i> non-discussable list of changes into spec files, they could as well ask for
+</I>&gt;<i> SVN commit and package submission rights, to do it directly. This would
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid a large amount of anger and frustration for everyone.
+</I>
+About prioritization, I think we should remember that :
+- we want security updates quickly, to reduce the time users will have
+ vulnerable systems
+- we don't want regressions in updates, that's why we need QA team to test
+ the updates, and why we avoid major changes in updates
+- all people working on Mageia are volunteers, have limited time and
+ probably other external constraints. We can ask them to make an effort
+ when there is an urgency, but this should not be abused.
+
+So I think it would make sense to have a policy that say that when a
+bug that is not a regression is found while testing an update, it can
+be mentioned for information, but it should not block the validation of
+the update. Packager can fix it while fixing the other issue, if he has
+time, but he doesn't fix it if he is too busy or think it introduce too
+much changes for an update. In that case the issue can be fixed later
+when the packager has some free time, with no hurry.
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