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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem">trish at thefrasers.org
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+Remember this? Well, it needs to be completed before the council
+meeting tonight.
+
+&gt;<i> Hi folks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As we did after Mageia 1, all teams are doing a post-mortem review of
+</I>&gt;<i> their activities around Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Check it out here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem#Marcom">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem#Marcom</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to add our part by June 10, which is when all the additions
+</I>&gt;<i> are due.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For interest, you might like to check out the previous post-mortem:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marcom_Team#Post-mortem_-_post_Mageia_1_release">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marcom_Team#Post-mortem_-_post_Mageia_1_release</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please add your comments!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Being fairly certain that nothing would happen (as is the usual way
+here in marcom), I've sent the following to the council list. I'm
+pretty disappointed that it was necessary...
+
+&gt;<i> Marcom post-mortem: the vanishing team. I'm putting this here, because
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't had any responses at all from anyone on the team, either on
+</I>&gt;<i> the wiki or on the mailing list. For all intents and purposes, marcom
+</I>&gt;<i> is me, and nobody else.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Post-mortem: marcom is unsustainable, the way it is, and I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> really able to promise that I can do it all myself - I've got a fair
+</I>&gt;<i> bit on my plate at the moment, and I can't really do it justice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd be very grateful for any suggestions, input, warm bodies...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Also, I'd like to dump marcom and move to get an accessibility team
+</I>&gt;<i> going, but that's another story, and I won't do it without at least
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to get something happening in marcom.)
+</I>
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607
+Mon Jun 4 21:13:33 EST 2012
+GNU/Linux 1997-2012 #283226 counter.li.org
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+ <B>Sebastian</B>
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+<PRE>On 04/06/12, Patricia Fraser wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remember this? Well, it needs to be completed before the council
+</I>&gt;<i> meeting tonight.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi folks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As we did after Mageia 1, all teams are doing a post-mortem review of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their activities around Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Check it out here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem#Marcom">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem#Marcom</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need to add our part by June 10, which is when all the additions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are due.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For interest, you might like to check out the previous post-mortem:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marcom_Team#Post-mortem_-_post_Mageia_1_release">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marcom_Team#Post-mortem_-_post_Mageia_1_release</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please add your comments!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Being fairly certain that nothing would happen (as is the usual way
+</I>&gt;<i> here in marcom), I've sent the following to the council list. I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> pretty disappointed that it was necessary...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marcom post-mortem: the vanishing team. I'm putting this here, because
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't had any responses at all from anyone on the team, either on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the wiki or on the mailing list. For all intents and purposes, marcom
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is me, and nobody else.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Post-mortem: marcom is unsustainable, the way it is, and I'm not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really able to promise that I can do it all myself - I've got a fair
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bit on my plate at the moment, and I can't really do it justice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd be very grateful for any suggestions, input, warm bodies...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Also, I'd like to dump marcom and move to get an accessibility team
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> going, but that's another story, and I won't do it without at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trying to get something happening in marcom.)
+</I>Hi Trish
+
+I am still around, and I agree Marcom is hardly a team at the moment, it
+seems to only really be the two of us at the moment.
+
+I am not quiting the team :), I am still around, and still trying to
+help when I can or think I can, but what I think we need to do is try
+and get new people to join the team somehow.
+
+I had to recently completely re do everything on my hard disk, and start
+completely over with a new partition table. As a result I am not sure
+where a file with my password for Mageia identify or a personal password
+hint is at the moment, and unfortunately unlike other sites, it seems
+can't just be sent a password reset email for example for the account.
+If I can't log in, I can't edit the Wiki.
+
+I guess I got to find the file, or get one of the system admins to help.
+
+As for the postmortem even though the lack of people we got the stuff
+done that was needed, and in a way, that's probably about all there is
+to say really. Oh and working on things on Piratepads I thought worked
+really well :).
+
+You do indeed seem to be quite busy since moving back to Australia, if
+anyone wants me to do a bit more for Marcom, I can probably do that, as
+long as it's fully clear as to what I need to do.
+
+As usual I'll be at the council meeting later, and you can read the log
+if you would like to.
+
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+ <B>Donald Stewart</B>
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+<PRE>Hey,
+
+I was going to add stuff, but being on my phone is hard.
+I would say the giving more structure to the process and location of
+documents will help, but having web space will help.
+
+Also, adding hard deadlines/gaunt charts to assignments
+to visualize where we need to be might stop the issues of missed deadlines.
+
+Well I hope that the meeting goes Well
+
+On 4 Jun 2012 13:23, &quot;Patricia Fraser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+Hi all,
+
+Remember this? Well, it needs to be completed before the council
+meeting tonight.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Hi folks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As we did after Mageia 1, all teams are doing a post-mortem review of
+</I>&gt;<i> their acti...
+</I>Being fairly certain that nothing would happen (as is the usual way
+here in marcom), I've sent the following to the council list. I'm
+pretty disappointed that it was necessary...
+
+&gt;<i> Marcom post-mortem: the vanishing team. I'm putting this here, because
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't had any responses at all from anyone on the team, either on
+</I>&gt;<i> the wiki or on the mailing list. For all intents and purposes, marcom
+</I>&gt;<i> is me, and nobody else.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Post-mortem: marcom is unsustainable, the way it is, and I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> really able to promise that I can do it all myself - I've got a fair
+</I>&gt;<i> bit on my plate at the moment, and I can't really do it justice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd be very grateful for any suggestions, input, warm bodies...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Also, I'd like to dump marcom and move to get an accessibility team
+</I>&gt;<i> going, but that's another story, and I won't do it without at least
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to get something happening in marcom.)
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607
+Mon Jun 4 21:13:33 EST 2012
+GNU/Linux 1997-2012 #283226 counter.li.org
+hermes up 13 hour(s), 21 min.
+
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+
+Thanks for your response.
+
+&gt;<i> I am not quiting the team :), I am still around, and still trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> help when I can or think I can, but what I think we need to do is try
+</I>&gt;<i> and get new people to join the team somehow.
+</I>
+At the moment, we actually have a roster of people that would be plenty
+to do the job - it's just that, when push comes to shove, people seem
+not to be available to do the things that must be done.
+
+We don't decide, by ourselves, what we want to do as the marcom team;
+we're able to make suggestions, and then if the community likes them,
+we can go ahead.
+
+But there's a core group of things that must be done, that are our
+responsibility, and getting the team to join in getting those things
+done is astonishingly really quite hard!
+
+I really do understand that people have lives - I have one myself, and
+it's keeping me pretty busy; but if we were to stick to the tasks we
+have to do, and just *do* them - using piratepads and the wiki means we
+don't even need to be awake at the same time - we would get where we
+ought to be for the sake of our lovely distro.
+
+I would really, really appreciate it, if someone other than me would go
+to that postmortem page, and actually write something on it. It's not
+helpful to write it on the list...
+
+Cheers!
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607
+Tue Jun 5 10:47:52 EST 2012
+GNU/Linux 1997-2012 #283226 counter.li.org
+hermes up 3 hour(s), 13 min.
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
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+ <B>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter</B>
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+I just asked on IRC but most likely it's already too late :p I'd like
+to ask if we may get a reminder to the marcom ml for upcoming marcom
+IRC meetings - let's say a day or some hours ahead in time? In fact
+and just as an example, I myself planned to join the meeting the whole
+week and missed it by accident today (yesterday to be very precise) at
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+would be beneficial to the whole team. What do you think about it?
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+Thanks,
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+ <B>Sebastian</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just asked on IRC but most likely it's already too late :p I'd like
+</I>&gt;<i> to ask if we may get a reminder to the marcom ml for upcoming marcom
+</I>&gt;<i> IRC meetings - let's say a day or some hours ahead in time? In fact
+</I>&gt;<i> and just as an example, I myself planned to join the meeting the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> week and missed it by accident today (yesterday to be very precise) at
+</I>&gt;<i> 19:00 UTC. Maybe we could setup a cronjob to do just that? I guess it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be beneficial to the whole team. What do you think about it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> R
+</I>There wasn't a meeting also Marcom is on the verge of merging with the
+artwork team and webteam into one team, since the current lack of active
+people for all three teams.
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+channel for Marcom, and I chatted to him there, and got him to send a
+introduction email to this mailing list, which is awaiting approval or
+something. I also suggested he joined the Systemadmin, and QA team, and
+maybe webteam as well, after talking to him, so I guess he's in all of
+those teams now really as well.
+
+An introduction email got through to the Systemadmins mailing list, QA,
+and webteam.
+
+I also explained to him about how Marcom, artwork, and webteam, will be
+merging into one team soon as well.
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+ <B>Beno&#238;t Audouard</B>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 07 juin 2012 &#224; 22:12 +0200, Beno&#238;t Audouard a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is Marcom the right place to discuss install parties ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We've been proposed a place in Paris, France to do an install' party, it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be available by september or october (what we call a m&#233;diath&#232;que
+</I>&gt;<i> in France).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can give the contact to whom may want to organize it (I'm not sure his
+</I>&gt;<i> e-mail should be public).
+</I>&gt;<i> I've already forwarded the e-mail to people I know personnally in Paris
+</I>&gt;<i> that may be interested to attend, anyone would be welcome if we can
+</I>&gt;<i> organize it :-) (and if you want to come to Vincennes for it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any other install' party in the run? We can discuss this subject at
+</I>&gt;<i> Solutions Linux :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @++
+</I>&gt;<i> Ben'. aka baud123
+</I>
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+ <B>Sebastian</B>
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+<PRE>On 07/06/12 22:05, Beno&#238;t Audouard wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 07 juin 2012 &#224; 22:12 +0200, Beno&#238;t Audouard a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is Marcom the right place to discuss install parties ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We've been proposed a place in Paris, France to do an install' party, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be available by september or october (what we call a m&#233;diath&#232;que
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in France).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can give the contact to whom may want to organize it (I'm not sure his
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e-mail should be public).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've already forwarded the e-mail to people I know personnally in Paris
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that may be interested to attend, anyone would be welcome if we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> organize it :-) (and if you want to come to Vincennes for it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any other install' party in the run? We can discuss this subject at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Solutions Linux :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @++
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ben'. aka baud123
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>I guess to some extent Marcom mailing list is a good place to talk about
+an install party, however your probably much better off chatting about
+it to major French Mageia contributors for example, and other French
+users or contributors. I mean those of us that aren't in France can't
+really help that much with an install party that is going to take place
+in France I guess.
+
+On the subject of install fests, there's an idea to possibly have one
+for my LUG here in England, in September or October, distrowise though
+it may be Mint as well for example, not just Mageia. Maybe some Ubuntu
+even, none of this has been decided yet, it's just an idea at the moment.
+
+The guy who suggested having an install fest suggested Mint, even though
+he uses Fedora, and so I was like Mageia is rather user friendly as well.
+
+In fact some people would only want one distro really for a install
+fest, but can probably get Mageia installed if there is going to be one
+so :d, even if another distro or two is being installed as well.
+
+Sebastian
+
+P.S
+
+The plan is for Marcom, artwork, and webteam, to merge into one team
+quite soon, because of the lack of active people.
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+ <B>Beno&#238;t Audouard</B>
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+Le jeudi 07 juin 2012 &#224; 22:22 +0100, Sebastian a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 07/06/12 22:05, Beno&#238;t Audouard wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 07 juin 2012 &#224; 22:12 +0200, Beno&#238;t Audouard a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Is Marcom the right place to discuss install parties ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We've been proposed a place in Paris, France to do an install' party, it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would be available by september or october (what we call a m&#233;diath&#232;que
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; in France).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I can give the contact to whom may want to organize it (I'm not sure his
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; e-mail should be public).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've already forwarded the e-mail to people I know personnally in Paris
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; that may be interested to attend, anyone would be welcome if we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; organize it :-) (and if you want to come to Vincennes for it).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Any other install' party in the run? We can discuss this subject at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Solutions Linux :-)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I guess to some extent Marcom mailing list is a good place to talk about
+</I>&gt;<i> an install party, however your probably much better off chatting about
+</I>&gt;<i> it to major French Mageia contributors for example, and other French
+</I>&gt;<i> users or contributors. I mean those of us that aren't in France can't
+</I>&gt;<i> really help that much with an install party that is going to take place
+</I>&gt;<i> in France I guess.
+</I>
+
+my rethoric question was about any other place where it may happen :)
+
+&gt;<i> On the subject of install fests, there's an idea to possibly have one
+</I>&gt;<i> for my LUG here in England, in September or October, distrowise though
+</I>&gt;<i> it may be Mint as well for example, not just Mageia. Maybe some Ubuntu
+</I>&gt;<i> even, none of this has been decided yet, it's just an idea at the moment.
+</I>
+
+just let us know when it happens :)
+
+&gt;<i> The guy who suggested having an install fest suggested Mint, even though
+</I>&gt;<i> he uses Fedora, and so I was like Mageia is rather user friendly as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact some people would only want one distro really for a install
+</I>&gt;<i> fest, but can probably get Mageia installed if there is going to be one
+</I>&gt;<i> so :d, even if another distro or two is being installed as well.
+</I>
+
+in fact, I do attend events where fedora, debian and ubuntu community
+cooperate to help people *use* their computer, let's call it SAV
+(service-apr&#232;s-vente, service after saling ?) of install' parties. It
+happens once a month, first saturday in Paris (and many people come;
+some with ubuntu, some with mandriva, few with gentoo, we are there with
+mageia :p)
+
+&gt;<i> Sebastian
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> P.S
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The plan is for Marcom, artwork, and webteam, to merge into one team
+</I>&gt;<i> quite soon, because of the lack of active people.
+</I>
+
+too early :)
+marketing may have stopped people from contributing, maybe open another
+list with &quot;participate&quot; ? (or contribute or engage or join or
+installl_party or proselytism or just install, maybe it could be a
+positive action of marketing to coordinate what is possible and involve
+people ?)
+
+Ben' aka baud123
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+think I got it straightened out; however, I apologize if this is a
+duplicate email.
+
+/Hey Folks,
+
+ I'm a System Admin from MI, USA. For work I have always had to use
+RHEL or a clone like CentOS/Scientific almost exclusively. I have
+started running Mageia w/KDE on my laptop starting at beta-2. Was
+running it along side Bodhi w/E17 and Win7, now my laptop runs Mageia only.
+ I never got into Mandriva/Mandrake too much before, mostly because I
+started with SUSE back in '03 and then spent most of my time learning
+RHEL &amp; clones as they are pretty dominant here in the U.S., or at least
+at the shops that I have worked in.
+ At any rate I am very impressed with Mageia, and figure with the time
+I'm spending on it I may as well pitch in a little as well. I am pretty
+capable, but like I said more used to the RH way of things is all. I am
+more an operations/server admin, and am not too into development, with
+the exception of front-end web-dev.
+ I am sending this off to a few lists and look forward to working with
+you all.
+
+Regards,
+
+Jonathan Ingold (Digigold)
+--
+
+
+ /&quot;A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back
+ to its old dimensions.&quot;/
+
+
+ *~Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.*
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+<PRE>Hi everyone, (xposted on -marketing, -artwork and -webteam; if
+possible, please follow-up in -marketing)
+
+So here's the plan (actually, that's a suggestion of a plan):
+ - we make a new team; which role is to think, design, produce and
+maintain the identity of the project and its declinations in messages,
+graphics, Web and print [1];
+ - this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+ - a new mailing-list is open for that;
+ - it practically merges responsibilities from artwork, web and marcom teams;
+ - it integrates roles as diverse as: design, marketing, graphic
+research and production, copy writing, web design, integration and
+development, curation, etc.
+ - existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but
+locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;
+ - will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+ - external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer
+getting in touch/inviting a professional person to propose and work on
+a specific, focused topic, from overall project identity design, down
+to a specific production. It only needs to be stated within the team
+first so that everyone is in sync;
+ - formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from
+external people are made easier is a true option too (that means
+things easier to grasp, understand and update);
+ - no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through
+the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not
+a must, just good to have;
+ - no more than 10 hours a week on Mageia.
+
+Questions:
+ - who's going to lead this?
+ - what's the plan up to Mageia 3? several things at least in several
+regards (identity, print, web, distribution), but that will highly
+depend on who lead(s) the team.
+
+[1] ideally, everything that's the public face of Mageia.Org, the
+Mageia distribution and the Mageia project should go through this
+team; that does not mean that things will not be flexible, but if
+there's one place to discuss, document and synchronize all this work,
+it's here. That, in turn, requires some responsiveness and initiative
+from the team members.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone, (xposted on -marketing, -artwork and -webteam; if
+</I>&gt;<i> possible, please follow-up in -marketing)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here's the plan (actually, that's a suggestion of a plan):
+</I>&gt;<i> - we make a new team; which role is to think, design, produce and
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain the identity of the project and its declinations in messages,
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics, Web and print [1];
+</I>&gt;<i> - this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My French is a little rusty. Does that mean &quot;workshop&quot;? Who came up with
+that name? How is it pronounced? And why? (I personally was starting to
+like webartcom)
+
+
+&gt;<i> - a new mailing-list is open for that;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Are all participants of -marcom, -web and -artwork automatically subscribed
+to this new list? What is the address? (So I can create a new mail filter)
+
+
+&gt;<i> - it practically merges responsibilities from artwork, web and marcom
+</I>&gt;<i> teams;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Good!
+
+
+&gt;<i> - it integrates roles as diverse as: design, marketing, graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> research and production, copy writing, web design, integration and
+</I>&gt;<i> development, curation, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> - existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but
+</I>&gt;<i> locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+When will this happen?
+
+
+&gt;<i> - will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+</I>&gt;<i> and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+</I>&gt;<i> welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So, sort of a reward for participating? Interesting.... but might not work.
+
+
+&gt;<i> - external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer
+</I>&gt;<i> getting in touch/inviting a professional person to propose and work on
+</I>&gt;<i> a specific, focused topic, from overall project identity design, down
+</I>&gt;<i> to a specific production. It only needs to be stated within the team
+</I>&gt;<i> first so that everyone is in sync;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think iamoverrated has already started doing this with a graphic
+designer. I'm not sure on the details, we've been playing IRC tag for a
+week or so...
+
+
+&gt;<i> - formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from
+</I>&gt;<i> external people are made easier is a true option too (that means
+</I>&gt;<i> things easier to grasp, understand and update);
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+How?
+
+
+&gt;<i> - no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through
+</I>&gt;<i> the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not
+</I>&gt;<i> a must, just good to have;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Where will we be hanging out? New channel? One of the existing channels?
+
+
+&gt;<i> - no more than 10 hours a week on Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hah! I wish I had that much time to give to Mageia :P
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - who's going to lead this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I nominate Romain.
+
+
+&gt;<i> - what's the plan up to Mageia 3? several things at least in several
+</I>&gt;<i> regards (identity, print, web, distribution), but that will highly
+</I>&gt;<i> depend on who lead(s) the team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+We will probably have to come up with three separate lines of advance. One
+focusing on web, one focusing on distro-look and one focusing on PR. Sort
+of to set our goals for each one. They will, of course, overlap, but the
+end-products of each distinct line will be different.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] ideally, everything that's the public face of Mageia.Org, the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia distribution and the Mageia project should go through this
+</I>&gt;<i> team; that does not mean that things will not be flexible, but if
+</I>&gt;<i> there's one place to discuss, document and synchronize all this work,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's here. That, in turn, requires some responsiveness and initiative
+</I>&gt;<i> from the team members.
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+ <I>Mon Jun 11 10:20:12 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My French is a little rusty. Does that mean &quot;workshop&quot;?
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+&gt;<i> Who came up with that name?
+</I>
+Doesn't matter. It's just picked to have something.
+
+&gt;<i> How is it pronounced?
+</I>
+/a.t&#601;.lje/ see <A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier</A>
+
+&gt;<i> And why? (I personally was starting to like webartcom)
+</I>
+webartcom is reductive - and ugly.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- a new mailing-list is open for that;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are all participants of -marcom, -web and -artwork automatically subscribed
+</I>&gt;<i> to this new list? What is the address? (So I can create a new mail filter)
+</I>
+This list is not registered yet. All participants will have to
+subscribe, an update message stating each former list being closed and
+directions to subscribe to the new list will be sent.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When will this happen?
+</I>
+As soon as 3 or 4 people can agree on a plan and there's no large
+objection from others, and Council validates it. A good time would be
+by the end of this week.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, sort of a reward for participating? Interesting.... but might not work.
+</I>
+Then what would you suggest that would work better?
+
+Here it's not a reward; it's a right, if you participate/make things
+or if you're included by the team peers; and it's how it happens in
+other teams (packagers, dev, sysadmin, qa, i18n, etc.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> getting in touch/inviting a professional person [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think iamoverrated has already started doing this with a graphic designer.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure on the details, we've been playing IRC tag for a week or so...
+</I>
+Oh, that's great then. That would be even greater that details (what
+work, what scope, when, how, etc.) and progress are posted on this
+list so that things are not wasted or duplicated in the end.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> external people are made easier is a true option too (that means
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things easier to grasp, understand and update);
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How?
+</I>
+I don't know. At this time, I only can find GitHub's &quot;fork and pull&quot;
+way very inspiring
+(<A HREF="https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests">https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests</A>) + more
+documentation on how/why things are as they are.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a must, just good to have;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where will we be hanging out? New channel? One of the existing channels?
+</I>
+We'll see. &quot;No meeting&quot; policy doesn't prevent from chatting, hopefully :-p
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My French is a little rusty. Does that mean &quot;workshop&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Who came up with that name?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't matter. It's just picked to have something.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK, sounds good.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How is it pronounced?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /a.t&#601;.lje/ see <A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And why? (I personally was starting to like webartcom)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> webartcom is reductive - and ugly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - a new mailing-list is open for that;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Are all participants of -marcom, -web and -artwork automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to this new list? What is the address? (So I can create a new mail
+</I>&gt;<i> filter)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This list is not registered yet. All participants will have to
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribe, an update message stating each former list being closed and
+</I>&gt;<i> directions to subscribe to the new list will be sent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When will this happen?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As soon as 3 or 4 people can agree on a plan and there's no large
+</I>&gt;<i> objection from others, and Council validates it. A good time would be
+</I>&gt;<i> by the end of this week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Count me in. I don't know how much I'll be able to help, I've got a lot
+going in in meatspace now, but I really do want to see things moving along
+on this.
+What kind of plan do we need? (Maybe start that in a new thread?)
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, sort of a reward for participating? Interesting.... but might not
+</I>&gt;<i> work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then what would you suggest that would work better?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here it's not a reward; it's a right, if you participate/make things
+</I>&gt;<i> or if you're included by the team peers; and it's how it happens in
+</I>&gt;<i> other teams (packagers, dev, sysadmin, qa, i18n, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, I can see that. But part of the problem that we've had recently is
+with people not contributing.
+It's fine to say &quot;If you contribute then you get a say in what happens&quot; but
+if nobody is contributing....
+I can't really think of any alternative, since it is a very good way to do
+things.
+I'm just a little concerned about people not contributing.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; getting in touch/inviting a professional person [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think iamoverrated has already started doing this with a graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> designer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not sure on the details, we've been playing IRC tag for a week or
+</I>&gt;<i> so...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, that's great then. That would be even greater that details (what
+</I>&gt;<i> work, what scope, when, how, etc.) and progress are posted on this
+</I>&gt;<i> list so that things are not wasted or duplicated in the end.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'll ping him and see what he can tell us.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; external people are made easier is a true option too (that means
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; things easier to grasp, understand and update);
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know. At this time, I only can find GitHub's &quot;fork and pull&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> way very inspiring
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests">https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests</A>) + more
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation on how/why things are as they are.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; a must, just good to have;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Where will we be hanging out? New channel? One of the existing channels?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We'll see. &quot;No meeting&quot; policy doesn't prevent from chatting, hopefully :-p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed.
+
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Max Quarterpleen
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; When will this happen?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As soon as 3 or 4 people can agree on a plan and there's no large
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> objection from others, and Council validates it. A good time would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by the end of this week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Count me in. I don't know how much I'll be able to help, I've got a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> going in in meatspace now, but I really do want to see things moving along
+</I>&gt;<i> on this.
+</I>&gt;<i> What kind of plan do we need? (Maybe start that in a new thread?)
+</I>
+My first post is a first plan. The rest depends on who can make what.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Here it's not a reward; it's a right, if you participate/make things
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or if you're included by the team peers; and it's how it happens in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other teams (packagers, dev, sysadmin, qa, i18n, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I can see that. But part of the problem that we've had recently is with
+</I>&gt;<i> people not contributing.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's fine to say &quot;If you contribute then you get a say in what happens&quot; but
+</I>&gt;<i> if nobody is contributing....
+</I>
+Then there's nothing to decide on either.
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+<PRE>On 11 June 2012 11:01, Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;- this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; My French is a little rusty. Does that mean &quot;workshop&quot;?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Who came up with that name?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doesn't matter. It's just picked to have something.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, sounds good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; How is it pronounced?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /a.t&#601;.lje/ see <A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; And why? (I personally was starting to like webartcom)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> webartcom is reductive - and ugly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;- a new mailing-list is open for that;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Are all participants of -marcom, -web and -artwork automatically
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; subscribed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; to this new list? What is the address? (So I can create a new mail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; filter)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This list is not registered yet. All participants will have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subscribe, an update message stating each former list being closed and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directions to subscribe to the new list will be sent.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;- existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; When will this happen?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As soon as 3 or 4 people can agree on a plan and there's no large
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> objection from others, and Council validates it. A good time would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by the end of this week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Count me in. I don't know how much I'll be able to help, I've got a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> going in in meatspace now, but I really do want to see things moving along
+</I>&gt;<i> on this.
+</I>&gt;<i> What kind of plan do we need? (Maybe start that in a new thread?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;- will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; So, sort of a reward for participating? Interesting.... but might not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then what would you suggest that would work better?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here it's not a reward; it's a right, if you participate/make things
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or if you're included by the team peers; and it's how it happens in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other teams (packagers, dev, sysadmin, qa, i18n, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I can see that. But part of the problem that we've had recently is with
+</I>&gt;<i> people not contributing.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's fine to say &quot;If you contribute then you get a say in what happens&quot; but
+</I>&gt;<i> if nobody is contributing....
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't really think of any alternative, since it is a very good way to do
+</I>&gt;<i> things.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm just a little concerned about people not contributing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;- external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; getting in touch/inviting a professional person [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think iamoverrated has already started doing this with a graphic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; designer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not sure on the details, we've been playing IRC tag for a week or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; so...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh, that's great then. That would be even greater that details (what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work, what scope, when, how, etc.) and progress are posted on this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> list so that things are not wasted or duplicated in the end.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll ping him and see what he can tell us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;- formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; external people are made easier is a true option too (that means
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; things easier to grasp, understand and update);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; How?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know. At this time, I only can find GitHub's &quot;fork and pull&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> way very inspiring
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (<A HREF="https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests">https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests</A>) + more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> documentation on how/why things are as they are.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;- no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; a must, just good to have;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Where will we be hanging out? New channel? One of the existing channels?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We'll see. &quot;No meeting&quot; policy doesn't prevent from chatting, hopefully
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :-p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+I'll reply in full later, but for now I think that this is the best
+choice that we have moving forward.
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+Sorry I'm coming to this late!
+
+&gt;<i> - this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+</I>
+...unless someone can think of a similar name a bit more
+closely-related to magic?
+
+&gt;<i> - will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+</I>&gt;<i> and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+</I>&gt;<i> welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+</I>
+&lt;beam&gt; I like it. If you want it done, you have to do it yourself
+(standing back and making suggestions isn't considered work!), or at
+least *help*.
+
+&gt;<i> Questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - who's going to lead this?
+</I>
+Not to put too fine a point on it, at the moment it looks like you, Max
+and me. Anyone else putting their hands up? Not that I've seen... and
+that's not just for leading, that's for *participating*.
+
+&gt;<i> - what's the plan up to Mageia 3? several things at least in several
+</I>&gt;<i> regards (identity, print, web, distribution), but that will highly
+</I>&gt;<i> depend on who lead(s) the team.
+</I>
+I guess, once we've nailed down who we are, we can get started on a
+plan.
+
+I'll comment on Max's answers separately.
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+
+Following up on Max's replies:
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; - what's the plan up to Mageia 3? several things at least in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; several regards (identity, print, web, distribution), but that will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; highly depend on who lead(s) the team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will probably have to come up with three separate lines of
+</I>&gt;<i> advance. One focusing on web, one focusing on distro-look and one
+</I>&gt;<i> focusing on PR. Sort of to set our goals for each one. They will, of
+</I>&gt;<i> course, overlap, but the end-products of each distinct line will be
+</I>&gt;<i> different.
+</I>
+Once the new team is formed, we need a new page on the wiki (we can
+archive/carry over the previous pages), with the planning on it - it
+just needs to be split into task areas. I think it'll take all of us
+working together to get it done properly...
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607
+Mon Jun 11 22:24:22 EST 2012
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+<PRE>Ok time to reply, read RDA's email very soon after it was sent, but let
+other people reply first. Also I wondered straight away how atelier was
+even pronounced.
+
+First of all I don't like the name Atelier. Unless it's just a short
+name that isn't going to be used in talks in front of lots of people for
+example :) or on pod casts for example, when telling people about
+Mageia. For example last month when I did my Mageia Lightning Talk in
+front of 100 to 200 or so people, when I introduced myself, I used the
+full position, deputy leader of the Mageia marketing and communications
+team, I also said I was on documentation and artwork.
+
+Oh by the way thinking of putting the video up on Youtube soon
+possibly. Already shown some people it. Also I think there might be
+another video as well that someone else took.
+
+Now imagine if I had said something like, I am the deputy leader of the
+Mageia Atelier team. I expect most people in the audience would have
+sat there thinking, what's that? Then obviously in a short talk don't
+want to spend time explaining the meaning of names.
+
+So if Atelier is just the short internal name like Marcom for example,
+that is unlikely to be used when explaining about Mageia to other people
+that don't really know about it, I think that's ok. However we need a
+proper external name in that case as well, for example: Mageia
+presentation team, Mageia artwork, web, and marketing and
+communications team.
+
+Also Mageia may be a French distribution really, but Mageia exists in a
+tech world where people are usually expected to know English who are
+part of it, as a result Mageia also is meant to be promoted in the
+English speaking world, as a result it's a good idea to have team names
+and Mageia positions, that instantly make sense to English speakers,
+when describing about Mageia.
+
+Patricia Fraser typed:
+ Not to put too fine a point on it, at the moment it looks like you,
+Max and me. Anyone else putting their hands up? Not that I've seen...
+and that's not just for leading, that's for *participating*.
+
+When I found out about this team nearly straight away I thought about
+how, I have quite a lot of time at the moment, and so, I would have
+enough time to deputy lead the team, or possibly lead it even, if it's a
+good enough team, where we actually work properly together.
+
+Also this may be quite a good idea, to have a leader and deputy leader
+that is in charge of the team as a whole, but also to possibily have sub
+team leaders, so for marketing, artwork, and webteam, for example.
+
+Or here's another idea, don't bother with this team merge idea, just
+have a joint meeting for all three teams, and possibly just do one
+mailnig list and one IRC channel for all three teams, but still have
+them as separate teams.
+
+Sebastian
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+&gt;<i> Now imagine if I had said something like, I am the deputy leader of the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Atelier team.
+</I>
+So say what you do in the project (shorter and to the point), not what
+the title says.
+
+&gt;<i> Also Mageia may be a French distribution really, but Mageia exists in a tech
+</I>&gt;<i> world where people are usually expected to know English
+</I>
+So what? It's a team _name_. &quot;mageia&quot; isn't English either. If _that_
+keeps some people away, really, well, it's not a loss.
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+
+ I'm a System Admin from MI, USA. For work I have always had to use
+RHEL or a clone like CentOS/Scientific almost exclusively. I have
+started running Mageia w/KDE on my laptop starting at beta-2. Was
+running it along side Bodhi w/E17 and Win7, now my laptop runs Mageia only.
+ I never got into Mandriva/Mandrake too much before, mostly because I
+started with SUSE back in '03 and then spent most of my time learning
+RHEL &amp; clones as they are pretty dominant here in the U.S. or at least
+those that I have worked at.
+ At any rate I am very impressed with Mageia, and figure with the time
+I'm spending on it I may as well pitch in a little as well. I am pretty
+capable, but like I said more used to the RH way of things is all. I am
+more an operations/server admin, and am not too into development, with
+the exception of front-end web-dev.
+ I am sending this off to a few lists and look forward to working with
+you all.
+
+Regards,
+
+Jonathan Ingold (Digigold)
+--
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+
+ I'm a System Admin from MI, USA. For work I have always had to use
+RHEL or a clone like CentOS/Scientific almost exclusively. I have
+started running Mageia w/KDE on my laptop starting at beta-2. Was
+running it along side Bodhi w/E17 and Win7, now my laptop runs Mageia only.
+ I never got into Mandriva/Mandrake too much before, mostly because I
+started with SUSE back in '03 and then spent most of my time learning
+RHEL &amp; clones as they are pretty dominant here in the U.S. or at least
+those that I have worked at.
+ At any rate I am very impressed with Mageia, and figure with the time
+I'm spending on it I may as well pitch in a little as well. I am pretty
+capable, but like I said more used to the RH way of things is all. I am
+more an operations/server admin, and am not too into development, with
+the exception of front-end web-dev.
+ I am sending this off to a few lists and look forward to working with
+you all.
+
+Regards,
+
+Jonathan Ingold (Digigold)
+--
+
+
+ /&quot;A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back
+ to its old dimensions.&quot;/
+
+
+ *~Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.*
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+ <B>Beno&#238;t Audouard</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+Is Marcom the right place to discuss install parties ?
+
+
+We've been proposed a place in Paris, France to do an install' party, it
+would be available by september or october (what we call a m&#233;diath&#232;que
+in France).
+
+I can give the contact to whom may want to organize it (I'm not sure his
+e-mail should be public).
+I've already forwarded the e-mail to people I know personnally in Paris
+that may be interested to attend, anyone would be welcome if we can
+organize it :-) (and if you want to come to Vincennes for it).
+
+Any other install' party in the run? We can discuss this subject at
+Solutions Linux :-)
+
+@++
+Ben'. aka baud123
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+&gt;<i> As of yesterday (Wednesday) Marcom has a new member, he was in the IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> channel for Marcom, and I chatted to him there, and got him to send a
+</I>&gt;<i> introduction email to this mailing list, which is awaiting approval or
+</I>&gt;<i> something. I also suggested he joined the Systemadmin, and QA team,
+</I>&gt;<i> and maybe webteam as well, after talking to him, so I guess he's in
+</I>&gt;<i> all of those teams now really as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An introduction email got through to the Systemadmins mailing list,
+</I>&gt;<i> QA, and webteam.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also explained to him about how Marcom, artwork, and webteam, will
+</I>&gt;<i> be merging into one team soon as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sebastian
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>Well I'm getting the emails anyway...
+
+--
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+ to its old dimensions.&quot;/
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+<PRE>Few things, but as always, sorry for the top post. I only have my phone.
+
+The name is irrelevant, and it sounding like &quot;magic&quot; also,this was the
+issues with the previous teams, to many fine details.
+
+As for the leadership, I feel that each sub group should still have at
+least a coordinator, but there is still an overall leader who is
+responsible for the whole team. I nominate rda for this, with trish and max
+being the respective chair people.
+
+The wiki should still have sections devoted to each sub group, but
+generally linked from the atelier page. This not only keeps it neat but
+also reduces work.
+
+The goals mga 3 should not be set high, having the core work that we need
+to do done with time for testing/checking will most likely be enough to
+keep us easily busy.
+
+Finally, the implication that there are so few people in marcom and artwork
+that actually do anything is getting really annoying, I for one have seen
+many people, well 3 other than trish and seb working on the release texts,
+and artwork has many people that work behind scenes, they just aren't so
+vocal here but that doesn't mean that they don't work. While I realise that
+the release has been tough and stressful on many people and mageia isnt the
+only thing they need to deal with, but the in fighting and negative feel
+that has appeared recently must stop if this team is to grow and work
+together.
+
+I like thw idea of no meetings and working on stuff yourself, but we must
+keep people aware of what we are doing, artwork lost months because of this
+with choosing the background.
+
+On 11 Jun 2012 16:39, &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Sebastian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">sebsebseb_mageia at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Now imagine if I had ...
+</I>So say what you do in the project (shorter and to the point), not what
+the title says.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Also Mageia may be a French distribution really, but Mageia exists in a
+</I>tech
+&gt;<i> world where people...
+</I>So what? It's a team _name_. &quot;mageia&quot; isn't English either. If _that_
+keeps some people away, really, well, it's not a loss.
+
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+
+&gt;<i> Few things, but as always, sorry for the top post. I only have my phone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The name is irrelevant, and it sounding like &quot;magic&quot; also,this was the
+</I>&gt;<i> issues with the previous teams, to many fine details.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for the leadership, I feel that each sub group should still have at
+</I>&gt;<i> least a coordinator, but there is still an overall leader who is
+</I>&gt;<i> responsible for the whole team. I nominate rda for this, with trish and max
+</I>&gt;<i> being the respective chair people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The wiki should still have sections devoted to each sub group, but
+</I>&gt;<i> generally linked from the atelier page. This not only keeps it neat but
+</I>&gt;<i> also reduces work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The goals mga 3 should not be set high, having the core work that we need
+</I>&gt;<i> to do done with time for testing/checking will most likely be enough to
+</I>&gt;<i> keep us easily busy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally, the implication that there are so few people in marcom and
+</I>&gt;<i> artwork that actually do anything is getting really annoying, I for one
+</I>&gt;<i> have seen many people, well 3 other than trish and seb working on the
+</I>&gt;<i> release texts, and artwork has many people that work behind scenes, they
+</I>&gt;<i> just aren't so vocal here but that doesn't mean that they don't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You weren't in all those meetings that comprised of me, Tumbeliina and one
+other rotating person. They basically went like this: discuss something a
+little bit, decide what needs to get done, call for volunteer, silence.....
+When this pattern repeats itself time and time again, one can't help but
+get a certain feeling.
+
+
+&gt;<i> While I realise that the release has been tough and stressful on many
+</I>&gt;<i> people and mageia isnt the only thing they need to deal with, but the in
+</I>&gt;<i> fighting and negative feel that has appeared recently must stop if this
+</I>&gt;<i> team is to grow and work together.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree. But we should also learn from our past mistakes, that's why we
+make them.
+Bringing up an issue is the first, and most important, step in learning
+from one's mistakes.
+
+
+&gt;<i> I like thw idea of no meetings and working on stuff yourself, but we must
+</I>&gt;<i> keep people aware of what we are doing, artwork lost months because of this
+</I>&gt;<i> with choosing the background.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed.
+I think that a way for this to happen would for all the work being done be
+done on the Mageia servers, and each file contain a detailed history of who
+did what when. That way we can all pick and choose what we are working on,
+and at any given time know what anybody else is working on.
+Having never done this sort of work, I can't recommend any software that
+does this, but I have heard rumors of git and svn. Maybe one of them have
+the features we need.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">djmarian4u at hotmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to have a mageia banner on my website, it can be written in
+</I>&gt;<i> English. I can translate it in Romanian, i am a member of the translation
+</I>&gt;<i> team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Have a look at this thread:
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=12&amp;t=83&amp;p=14265">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=12&amp;t=83&amp;p=14265</A>
+I have the xcf (Gimp source) files somewhere, so it shouldn't be too hard
+to get it in Romanian.
+
+
+&gt;<i> www.famitemele.ro, some students (I am no longer a student) that try to
+</I>&gt;<i> help education grow (we do have a problem, they want us to solve their
+</I>&gt;<i> homework completely), I can be contacted for this because I started the
+</I>&gt;<i> page, Romanian (and I will translate the framework to English)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone suggested I should add a 'powered by Mageia' but text is not so
+</I>&gt;<i> eye catching.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With respect,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dan-Marian, Joi&#355;a.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>2012/6/11 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...unless someone can think of a similar name a bit more
+</I>&gt;<i> closely-related to magic?
+</I>
+A bit less far-fetched, we could use &quot;communication team&quot; or something
+similar, promoting Mageia and communicating about it being probably
+the main purpose of the three teams that we want to merge together.
+
+I agree with Sebastien's comment that &quot;atelier&quot; would be hardly
+understandable for those who are not implied in the Mageia project and
+for new contributors. But if it's a little nickname which purpose is
+to be simpler than &quot;Marketing, communication and design team&quot; and
+easier to put in the name of a ML, I find it good :)
+
+If it's a nickname and we want something closely-related to magic, I
+am pretty sure we can find a lot of ideas such as &quot;scroll&quot;,
+&quot;grimoire&quot;, &quot;alambic&quot; (= &quot;still&quot; in English)... but it may take quite
+some time to reach a consensus on which name sounds greater and so on;
+I think Romain's idea was that the name should be chosen quickly to be
+able to create the team without delay (i.e. creating the ML, and so
+on).
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;beam&gt; I like it. If you want it done, you have to do it yourself
+</I>&gt;<i> (standing back and making suggestions isn't considered work!), or at
+</I>&gt;<i> least *help*.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- who's going to lead this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not to put too fine a point on it, at the moment it looks like you, Max
+</I>&gt;<i> and me. Anyone else putting their hands up? Not that I've seen... and
+</I>&gt;<i> that's not just for leading, that's for *participating*.
+</I>
+I'd be glad to participate, but I definitely can't lead the project. I
+lack time and knowledge to be a real asset in this new team, but I
+have been helping a bit with artwork (and a really tiny bit with
+marcom), and I look forward to assisting Romain with the website; I am
+not a web developer but I have some notions and I might be able to
+learn a few things to be of help (such as generating .lang files from
+the static EN pages).
+
+Regards,
+R&#233;mi / Akien
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+<PRE>On 11 June 2012 17:40, Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Few things, but as always, sorry for the top post. I only have my phone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The name is irrelevant, and it sounding like &quot;magic&quot; also,this was the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> issues with the previous teams, to many fine details.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As for the leadership, I feel that each sub group should still have at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least a coordinator, but there is still an overall leader who is responsible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the whole team. I nominate rda for this, with trish and max being the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> respective chair people.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The wiki should still have sections devoted to each sub group, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> generally linked from the atelier page. This not only keeps it neat but also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reduces work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The goals mga 3 should not be set high, having the core work that we need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to do done with time for testing/checking will most likely be enough to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> us easily busy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Finally, the implication that there are so few people in marcom and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> artwork that actually do anything is getting really annoying, I for one have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seen many people, well 3 other than trish and seb working on the release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> texts, and artwork has many people that work behind scenes, they just aren't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so vocal here but that doesn't mean that they don't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You weren't in all those meetings that comprised of me, Tumbeliina and one
+</I>&gt;<i> other rotating person. They basically went like this: discuss something a
+</I>&gt;<i> little bit, decide what needs to get done, call for volunteer, silence.....
+</I>&gt;<i> When this pattern repeats itself time and time again, one can't help but get
+</I>&gt;<i> a certain feeling.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is true, it always annoyed me that the meetings were at a time
+when I could hardly if ever make it. I do see your point, and I guess
+that I haven't been at the point of this frustration.
+
+Either way, hopefully this will solve the problem.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While I realise that the release has been tough and stressful on many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people and mageia isnt the only thing they need to deal with, but the in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fighting and negative feel that has appeared recently must stop if this team
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is to grow and work together.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree. But we should also learn from our past mistakes, that's why we make
+</I>&gt;<i> them.
+</I>&gt;<i> Bringing up an issue is the first, and most important, step in learning from
+</I>&gt;<i> one's mistakes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The lessons are hopefully really obvious, we need to communicate more,
+otherwise we end up with frustration and work going in circles.
+
+We should probably leave this discussion for now and focus on founding
+the new group.
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like thw idea of no meetings and working on stuff yourself, but we must
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> keep people aware of what we are doing, artwork lost months because of this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with choosing the background.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that a way for this to happen would for all the work being done be
+</I>&gt;<i> done on the Mageia servers, and each file contain a detailed history of who
+</I>&gt;<i> did what when. That way we can all pick and choose what we are working on,
+</I>&gt;<i> and at any given time know what anybody else is working on.
+</I>&gt;<i> Having never done this sort of work, I can't recommend any software that
+</I>&gt;<i> does this, but I have heard rumors of git and svn. Maybe one of them have
+</I>&gt;<i> the features we need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
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+Le lundi 11 juin 2012 &#224; 16:38 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Sebastian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">sebsebseb_mageia at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now imagine if I had said something like, I am the deputy leader of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia Atelier team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So say what you do in the project (shorter and to the point), not what
+</I>&gt;<i> the title says.
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://getalife.blogspace.fr/1239948/Impression-de-pedaler-dans-la-semoule/">http://getalife.blogspace.fr/1239948/Impression-de-pedaler-dans-la-semoule/</A> for illustration :-)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Also Mageia may be a French distribution really, but Mageia exists in a tech
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; world where people are usually expected to know English
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So what? It's a team _name_. &quot;mageia&quot; isn't English either.
+</I>
+
+The &quot;atelier&quot; is the place where leonardo da vinci did art, engineering,
+communication :-) another image:
+<A HREF="http://leonard.bd.free.fr/leonard_de_vinci.php">http://leonard.bd.free.fr/leonard_de_vinci.php</A>
+
+yeah, alchemy too (very good album BTW, Dire Straits of course).
+
+Do not get it too personnally in here, I'm only making a point^Wpun
+(intended). Let's just make it! (2nd or 3rd humour degree inside, if
+that's understandable in english, 3-4 pints of guinness after for those
+needing a matter-of-fact approach).
+
+@++
+Ben'. aka baud123
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+</I>&gt;<i> We should probably leave this discussion for now and focus on founding
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>the new group.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree.
+The way I see it we should have one group (never mind the name) with three
+virtual task forces.
+The task forces will not be real, just a sort of legacy issue for people
+from the old teams to have some initial direction in the new team. Ideally,
+everybody will contribute where he or she can.
+These three virtual task forces should, however, have a real coordinator.
+One person who is in charge of looking out for a specific field. Aside from
+that there should be a team leader, who should be one of the task force
+leaders.
+This way we have a sort of hierarchical structure: Someone willing to work
+on web design or a marketing poster or whatnot turns to the appropriate
+task coordinator. He or she then discusses with the other two what needs to
+be done for this by which task force, then one of these three (it doesn't
+really matter who) propagates that information back down to everybody else.
+It will work the same way in reverse. The three coordinators come up with
+the final list of things that need to be done for Mga3 (with considerable
+input and discussion from everybody, of course) and then coordinate the
+tasks.
+I think that this allows for maximum communication and we don't end up with
+the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
+Furthermore, this allows for individual people to come up with their own
+ideas, plans, projects and whatnot and then act upon them as part of the
+group. Even if in the end they are working alone, the whole group is aware
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+<PRE>On 06/09/2012 12:27 PM, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone, (xposted on -marketing, -artwork and -webteam; if
+</I>&gt;<i> possible, please follow-up in -marketing)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here's the plan (actually, that's a suggestion of a plan):
+</I>&gt;<i> - we make a new team; which role is to think, design, produce and
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain the identity of the project and its declinations in messages,
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics, Web and print [1];
+</I>&gt;<i> - this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> - a new mailing-list is open for that;
+</I>&gt;<i> - it practically merges responsibilities from artwork, web and marcom teams;
+</I>&gt;<i> - it integrates roles as diverse as: design, marketing, graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> research and production, copy writing, web design, integration and
+</I>&gt;<i> development, curation, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> - existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but
+</I>&gt;<i> locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;
+</I>&gt;<i> - will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+</I>&gt;<i> and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+</I>&gt;<i> welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+</I>&gt;<i> - external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer
+</I>&gt;<i> getting in touch/inviting a professional person to propose and work on
+</I>&gt;<i> a specific, focused topic, from overall project identity design, down
+</I>&gt;<i> to a specific production. It only needs to be stated within the team
+</I>&gt;<i> first so that everyone is in sync;
+</I>&gt;<i> - formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from
+</I>&gt;<i> external people are made easier is a true option too (that means
+</I>&gt;<i> things easier to grasp, understand and update);
+</I>&gt;<i> - no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through
+</I>&gt;<i> the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not
+</I>&gt;<i> a must, just good to have;
+</I>&gt;<i> - no more than 10 hours a week on Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - who's going to lead this?
+</I>&gt;<i> - what's the plan up to Mageia 3? several things at least in several
+</I>&gt;<i> regards (identity, print, web, distribution), but that will highly
+</I>&gt;<i> depend on who lead(s) the team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] ideally, everything that's the public face of Mageia.Org, the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia distribution and the Mageia project should go through this
+</I>&gt;<i> team; that does not mean that things will not be flexible, but if
+</I>&gt;<i> there's one place to discuss, document and synchronize all this work,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's here. That, in turn, requires some responsiveness and initiative
+</I>&gt;<i> from the team members.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________an
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>Sounds good to me. I would like to take on some work especially
+concerning Marketing where it appears that we're especially thin here.
+I feel that although the distrowatch page-hits are high, there is not
+nearly enough of an overall web presence. I think that Mageia has an
+especially good potential to poach Ubunt/Mint users but the buzz just
+isn't there. I tried to add some sites to the list in sandbox, but was
+denied permission. Here are some sites I found:
+
+* <A HREF="http://www.lifehacker.com/">http://www.lifehacker.com/</A> Gawkers tech blog. Allot of entry level
+Linux users
+* <A HREF="http://linux.slashdot.org/">http://linux.slashdot.org/</A> /EN - Very well known IT Blog
+* <A HREF="http://www.desktoplinuxreviews.com">http://www.desktoplinuxreviews.com</A> /EN Linux reviews
+* <A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com</A> /EN Linux/Informational
+* <A HREF="http://www.linuxbsdos.com">http://www.linuxbsdos.com</A> /EN Linux Reviews
+* <A HREF="https://www.linuxquestions.org">https://www.linuxquestions.org</A> / Linux/Informational
+* <A HREF="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia</A>
+* <A HREF="http://www.techradar.com">http://www.techradar.com</A> /EN Tech News &amp; Info
+* <A HREF="https://www.gnu.org">https://www.gnu.org</A> /EN
+* <A HREF="http://www.linuxbasis.com/distributions.html">http://www.linuxbasis.com/distributions.html</A> /EN
+* <A HREF="http://www.dedoimedo.com">http://www.dedoimedo.com</A> /EN
+* <A HREF="http://www.linuxinsider.com">http://www.linuxinsider.com</A> /EN
+* <A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com">http://www.linuxjournal.com</A> /EN
+* <A HREF="http://linuxos.pro">http://linuxos.pro</A> /EN
+* <A HREF="http://www.thisweekinlinux.com">http://www.thisweekinlinux.com</A> /EN
+
+The one of these that I felt could really use some urgent attention is
+Wikipedia. I know this committee/team is in a state of flux with the
+merge and all but every day that goes by is a day further away from its'
+release. I have my main contract winding down here so I have some
+extra time. If perhaps someone either from this team or maybe the
+document team has some approved language I could write a proposal for a
+Wikipedia update. Let me know what everyone thinks.
+
+Kind Regards,
+
+Digigold
+
+--
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+ to its old dimensions.&quot;/
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+<PRE>On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Ingold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">ingoldjo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I tried to add some sites to the list in sandbox, but was denied permission.
+</I>
+You need to open a user account on <A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/">http://identity.mageia.org/</A> and
+then you can edit the wiki.
+
+&gt;<i> The one of these that I felt could really use some urgent attention is
+</I>&gt;<i> Wikipedia. [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> If perhaps someone either from this team or maybe the document team
+</I>&gt;<i> has some approved language I could write a proposal for a Wikipedia update.
+</I>
+What do you suggest to write?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> The one of these that I felt could really use some urgent attention is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wikipedia. [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If perhaps someone either from this team or maybe the document team
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has some approved language I could write a proposal for a Wikipedia update.
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you suggest to write?
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>I was thinking mostly just about expanding on features, mission,
+community, etc. I'm going through the archives now, but I am looking to
+see where I can currently be of the most help while my workload is
+lighter. Would you like me to write a mock page?
+--
+
+
+ /&quot;A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back
+ to its old dimensions.&quot;/
+
+
+ *~Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.*
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+<PRE>So...
+Did this initiative die, or what?
+
+On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> We should probably leave this discussion for now and focus on founding
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the new group.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree.
+</I>&gt;<i> The way I see it we should have one group (never mind the name) with three
+</I>&gt;<i> virtual task forces.
+</I>&gt;<i> The task forces will not be real, just a sort of legacy issue for people
+</I>&gt;<i> from the old teams to have some initial direction in the new team. Ideally,
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody will contribute where he or she can.
+</I>&gt;<i> These three virtual task forces should, however, have a real coordinator.
+</I>&gt;<i> One person who is in charge of looking out for a specific field. Aside from
+</I>&gt;<i> that there should be a team leader, who should be one of the task force
+</I>&gt;<i> leaders.
+</I>&gt;<i> This way we have a sort of hierarchical structure: Someone willing to work
+</I>&gt;<i> on web design or a marketing poster or whatnot turns to the appropriate
+</I>&gt;<i> task coordinator. He or she then discusses with the other two what needs to
+</I>&gt;<i> be done for this by which task force, then one of these three (it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> really matter who) propagates that information back down to everybody else.
+</I>&gt;<i> It will work the same way in reverse. The three coordinators come up with
+</I>&gt;<i> the final list of things that need to be done for Mga3 (with considerable
+</I>&gt;<i> input and discussion from everybody, of course) and then coordinate the
+</I>&gt;<i> tasks.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that this allows for maximum communication and we don't end up
+</I>&gt;<i> with the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
+</I>&gt;<i> Furthermore, this allows for individual people to come up with their own
+</I>&gt;<i> ideas, plans, projects and whatnot and then act upon them as part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> group. Even if in the end they are working alone, the whole group is aware
+</I>&gt;<i> of what is going on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Jonathan Ingold</B>
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+<PRE>On 06/17/2012 09:44 AM, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+&gt;<i> So...
+</I>&gt;<i> Did this initiative die, or what?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Max Quarterpleen
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should probably leave this discussion for now and focus on
+</I>&gt;<i> founding
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the new group.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree.
+</I>&gt;<i> The way I see it we should have one group (never mind the name)
+</I>&gt;<i> with three virtual task forces.
+</I>&gt;<i> The task forces will not be real, just a sort of legacy issue for
+</I>&gt;<i> people from the old teams to have some initial direction in the
+</I>&gt;<i> new team. Ideally, everybody will contribute where he or she can.
+</I>&gt;<i> These three virtual task forces should, however, have a real
+</I>&gt;<i> coordinator. One person who is in charge of looking out for a
+</I>&gt;<i> specific field. Aside from that there should be a team leader, who
+</I>&gt;<i> should be one of the task force leaders.
+</I>&gt;<i> This way we have a sort of hierarchical structure: Someone willing
+</I>&gt;<i> to work on web design or a marketing poster or whatnot turns to
+</I>&gt;<i> the appropriate task coordinator. He or she then discusses with
+</I>&gt;<i> the other two what needs to be done for this by which task force,
+</I>&gt;<i> then one of these three (it doesn't really matter who) propagates
+</I>&gt;<i> that information back down to everybody else.
+</I>&gt;<i> It will work the same way in reverse. The three coordinators come
+</I>&gt;<i> up with the final list of things that need to be done for Mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> (with considerable input and discussion from everybody, of course)
+</I>&gt;<i> and then coordinate the tasks.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that this allows for maximum communication and we don't
+</I>&gt;<i> end up with the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
+</I>&gt;<i> Furthermore, this allows for individual people to come up with
+</I>&gt;<i> their own ideas, plans, projects and whatnot and then act upon
+</I>&gt;<i> them as part of the group. Even if in the end they are working
+</I>&gt;<i> alone, the whole group is aware of what is going on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>So how bout someone with admin rights on ml.mageia.org creates an
+atelier or whatever list so we can at least start this.
+
+Also I have noticed that some people are adding their comments on top
+like the very email I am responding to. Does Mageia prefer top-adds or
+bottom adds?
+
+--
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+ to its old dimensions.&quot;/
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+ *~Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.*
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+
+&gt;<i> On 06/17/2012 09:44 AM, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So...
+</I>&gt;<i> Did this initiative die, or what?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We should probably leave this discussion for now and focus on founding
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the new group.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The way I see it we should have one group (never mind the name) with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> three virtual task forces.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The task forces will not be real, just a sort of legacy issue for people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the old teams to have some initial direction in the new team. Ideally,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everybody will contribute where he or she can.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These three virtual task forces should, however, have a real coordinator.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One person who is in charge of looking out for a specific field. Aside from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that there should be a team leader, who should be one of the task force
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> leaders.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This way we have a sort of hierarchical structure: Someone willing to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work on web design or a marketing poster or whatnot turns to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appropriate task coordinator. He or she then discusses with the other two
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what needs to be done for this by which task force, then one of these three
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (it doesn't really matter who) propagates that information back down to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everybody else.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It will work the same way in reverse. The three coordinators come up with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the final list of things that need to be done for Mga3 (with considerable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> input and discussion from everybody, of course) and then coordinate the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tasks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that this allows for maximum communication and we don't end up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Furthermore, this allows for individual people to come up with their own
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ideas, plans, projects and whatnot and then act upon them as part of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> group. Even if in the end they are working alone, the whole group is aware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of what is going on.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">listMageia-marketing at mageia.orghttps</A>://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So how bout someone with admin rights on ml.mageia.org creates an atelieror whatever list so we can at least start this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It needs council approval first. That was supposed to happen last week but
+didn't, it might happen this week.
+I just wanted to know if there was anything else people wanted to discuss
+some more.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also I have noticed that some people are adding their comments on top like
+</I>&gt;<i> the very email I am responding to. Does Mageia prefer top-adds or bottom
+</I>&gt;<i> adds?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Mageia as a community prefers bottom or middle adds. I was just being lazy
+:<i>P
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> *&quot;A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back to its
+</I>&gt;<i> old dimensions.&quot;* *~Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
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+ <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>2012/6/17 Jonathan Ingold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">ingoldjo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also I have noticed that some people are adding their comments on top like
+</I>&gt;<i> the very email I am responding to.&#160; Does Mageia prefer top-adds or bottom
+</I>&gt;<i> adds?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+On Mageia mailing lists we really prefer bottom adds, or more
+precisely the best behaviour is to trim the mailing you are replying
+to to insert your answers inline.
+
+See this mail from Patricia:
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-marketing/2012-March/000670.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-marketing/2012-March/000670.html</A>
+
+BTW most users also prefer when the mails are text-only instead of HTML mails.
+
+Regards,
+R&#233;mi
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; So...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Did this initiative die, or what?
+</I>
+We need 2 things (maybe 3): mailing list, wiki page, irc channel.
+
+We can start the wiki page ourselves, and start adding tasks and a plan
+to it; we can use this list until the atelier list is added; we can use
+the marcom irc channel until the atelier channel is started.
+
+It&#180;s not necessary to actually wait any longer to begin - we can just
+go for it.
+
+I have very little time to do these nitty-gritty things, but I'll join
+in when I can; I would say, go for it!
+
+Cheers,
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+<PRE>Il 09/06/2012 18:27, Romain d'Alverny ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone, (xposted on -marketing, -artwork and -webteam; if
+</I>&gt;<i> possible, please follow-up in -marketing)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here's the plan (actually, that's a suggestion of a plan):
+</I>&gt;<i> - we make a new team; which role is to think, design, produce and
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain the identity of the project and its declinations in messages,
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics, Web and print [1];
+</I>&gt;<i> - this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> - a new mailing-list is open for that;
+</I>&gt;<i> - it practically merges responsibilities from artwork, web and marcom teams;
+</I>&gt;<i> - it integrates roles as diverse as: design, marketing, graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> research and production, copy writing, web design, integration and
+</I>&gt;<i> development, curation, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> - existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but
+</I>&gt;<i> locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;
+</I>&gt;<i> - will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+</I>&gt;<i> and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+</I>&gt;<i> welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+</I>&gt;<i> - external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer
+</I>&gt;<i> getting in touch/inviting a professional person to propose and work on
+</I>&gt;<i> a specific, focused topic, from overall project identity design, down
+</I>&gt;<i> to a specific production. It only needs to be stated within the team
+</I>&gt;<i> first so that everyone is in sync;
+</I>&gt;<i> - formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from
+</I>&gt;<i> external people are made easier is a true option too (that means
+</I>&gt;<i> things easier to grasp, understand and update);
+</I>&gt;<i> - no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through
+</I>&gt;<i> the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not
+</I>&gt;<i> a must, just good to have;
+</I>&gt;<i> - no more than 10 hours a week on Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Questions:
+</I>&gt;<i> - who's going to lead this?
+</I>&gt;<i> - what's the plan up to Mageia 3? several things at least in several
+</I>&gt;<i> regards (identity, print, web, distribution), but that will highly
+</I>&gt;<i> depend on who lead(s) the team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] ideally, everything that's the public face of Mageia.Org, the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia distribution and the Mageia project should go through this
+</I>&gt;<i> team; that does not mean that things will not be flexible, but if
+</I>&gt;<i> there's one place to discuss, document and synchronize all this work,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's here. That, in turn, requires some responsiveness and initiative
+</I>&gt;<i> from the team members.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>
+
+ok for this, but for marketing team what is needed is not a new ml, but
+real marketing objectives and people dedicated to them. what should do a
+marketing team is not (at least, only) writing blog post announces and
+things like that, but planning:
+
+- marketing-plan
+- balanced scorecard
+
+in plus, we need people from dev and artwork that follow our suggestions
+and our plans (naturally, the plans should be agreed also by them). i
+can help in these areas of long-term view, i cannot follow tasks that
+should be done in a day. the paucity of linux is proper in the missing
+of a long-term view, where all the aspects of the project are taken in
+considerations and priorities are set and done.
+
+Bugzilla 4 is a perfect example of what should do a marketing team
+(atelier, if you prefer) for real. Bugzilla would help qa team work,
+would improve the overall quality of the distro and would allow to
+manage bugs that affect different versions, but instead of porting it,
+we're at mageia 3 specs... useless
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+&gt;<i> ok for this, but for marketing team what is needed is not a new ml, but real
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing objectives and people dedicated to them. what should do a
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing team is not (at least, only) writing blog post announces and
+</I>&gt;<i> things like that, but planning:
+</I>&gt;<i> - marketing-plan
+</I>&gt;<i> - balanced scorecard
+</I>
+Among other things yes. Just propose and see if it can build from there.
+
+&gt;<i> in plus, we need people from dev and artwork that follow our suggestions and
+</I>&gt;<i> our plans (naturally, the plans should be agreed also by them). i can help
+</I>&gt;<i> in these areas of long-term view, i cannot follow tasks that should be done
+</I>&gt;<i> in a day.
+</I>
+But that's a problem. If you can't lead, follow or make things here,
+you're out of phase.
+
+&gt;<i> Bugzilla 4 is a perfect example of what should do a marketing team (atelier,
+</I>&gt;<i> if you prefer) for real. Bugzilla would help qa team work, would improve the
+</I>&gt;<i> overall quality of the distro and would allow to manage bugs that affect
+</I>&gt;<i> different versions, but instead of porting it, we're at mageia 3 specs...
+</I>&gt;<i> useless
+</I>
+Useless to you, from your point of view. Not useless to everyone.
+Unless you can't embrace the whole thing, you can't even start
+thinking about a marketing plan.
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+<PRE>Il 18/06/2012 15:49, Romain d'Alverny ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Marcello&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok for this, but for marketing team what is needed is not a new ml, but real
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> marketing objectives and people dedicated to them. what should do a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> marketing team is not (at least, only) writing blog post announces and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things like that, but planning:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - marketing-plan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - balanced scorecard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Among other things yes. Just propose and see if it can build from there.
+</I>
+ok, i will start a thread there asking to devs if there is someone who
+wants to follow marketing team plans... here is there anyone who is able
+to contribute regarding this?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in plus, we need people from dev and artwork that follow our suggestions and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> our plans (naturally, the plans should be agreed also by them). i can help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in these areas of long-term view, i cannot follow tasks that should be done
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in a day.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But that's a problem. If you can't lead, follow or make things here,
+</I>&gt;<i> you're out of phase.
+</I>
+i don't want lead, i would simply contributing in what a marketing team
+is expected to do.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bugzilla 4 is a perfect example of what should do a marketing team (atelier,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if you prefer) for real. Bugzilla would help qa team work, would improve the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overall quality of the distro and would allow to manage bugs that affect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different versions, but instead of porting it, we're at mageia 3 specs...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> useless
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Useless to you, from your point of view. Not useless to everyone.
+</I>
+not useless in the short-term, useless in a long-term horizont. if you
+don't have a long sight, you resolve small issues as they verify,
+missing the real things that should be done to assure the success in the
+long period. bugzilla is one of this: now everyone is involved in
+proposing new feauture that will improve the distro, but there is a
+single tool that influence many aspects that isn't taken in consideration
+
+
+&gt;<i> Unless you can't embrace the whole thing, you can't even start
+</I>&gt;<i> thinking about a marketing plan.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________
+</I>
+ehm... what do you mean with this prashe?
+
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
+
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+&gt;<i> Il 18/06/2012 15:49, Romain d'Alverny ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Marcello&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ok for this, but for marketing team what is needed is not a new ml, but real
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> marketing objectives and people dedicated to them. what should do a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> marketing team is not (at least, only) writing blog post announces and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> things like that, but planning:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - marketing-plan
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - balanced scorecard
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Among other things yes. Just propose and see if it can build from there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ok, i will start a thread there asking to devs if there is someone who
+</I>&gt;<i> wants to follow marketing team plans... here is there anyone who is able to
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute regarding this?
+</I>
+Before asking people to follow marketing team plans, those plans
+should exist.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in plus, we need people from dev and artwork that follow our suggestions and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> our plans (naturally, the plans should be agreed also by them). i can help
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in these areas of long-term view, i cannot follow tasks that should be done
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a day.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But that's a problem. If you can't lead, follow or make things here,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you're out of phase.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't want lead, i would simply contributing in what a marketing team is
+</I>&gt;<i> expected to do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bugzilla 4 is a perfect example of what should do a marketing team (atelier,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if you prefer) for real. Bugzilla would help qa team work, would improve the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> overall quality of the distro and would allow to manage bugs that affect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> different versions, but instead of porting it, we're at mageia 3 specs...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useless
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Useless to you, from your point of view. Not useless to everyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> not useless in the short-term, useless in a long-term horizont. if you
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have a long sight, you resolve small issues as they verify, missing
+</I>&gt;<i> the real things that should be done to assure the success in the long
+</I>&gt;<i> period. bugzilla is one of this: now everyone is involved in proposing new
+</I>&gt;<i> feauture that will improve the distro, but there is a single tool that
+</I>&gt;<i> influence many aspects that isn't taken in consideration
+</I>
+Bugzilla upgrade is already planned, but it has nothing to do with new
+feature proposals or marketing, and is not something that will &quot;assure
+the success in the long period&quot;, it's just one of the many tools we use
+to create the distribution.
+
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Marcello &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> ok, i will start a thread there asking to devs if there is someone who wants
+</I>&gt;<i> to follow marketing team plans...
+</I>
+It doesn't work like that (and you've been told this several times in
+the past years). You won't find people that will follow on principle.
+You will need to convince/demonstrate that your plan is worth it, and
+start it on your own first. And you will see as many people join as
+they see their own interest in contributing.
+
+&gt;<i> here is there anyone who is able to contribute regarding this?
+</I>
+Don't wait. Start, propose, do. And see if it gains momentum.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> different versions, but instead of porting it, we're at mageia 3 specs...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useless
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unless you can't embrace the whole thing, you can't even start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thinking about a marketing plan.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ehm... what do you mean with this prashe?
+</I>
+It means that, in addition to a vision, if you don't have an
+understanding of the small pieces and of the people that make this
+project and of the reasons they do it, designing a marketing plan for
+the project is a waste of time. For the same reason as above.
+
+If you want to contribute, start with something small here (your own
+idea, or one need already expressed), define it, advocate it and build
+it. And repeat.
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+<PRE>Il 18/06/2012 16:56, nicolas vigier ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Marcello wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Il 18/06/2012 15:49, Romain d'Alverny ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Marcello&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ok for this, but for marketing team what is needed is not a new ml, but real
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> marketing objectives and people dedicated to them. what should do a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> marketing team is not (at least, only) writing blog post announces and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> things like that, but planning:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - marketing-plan
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - balanced scorecard
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Among other things yes. Just propose and see if it can build from there.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok, i will start a thread there asking to devs if there is someone who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wants to follow marketing team plans... here is there anyone who is able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contribute regarding this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before asking people to follow marketing team plans, those plans
+</I>&gt;<i> should exist.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in plus, we need people from dev and artwork that follow our suggestions and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> our plans (naturally, the plans should be agreed also by them). i can help
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in these areas of long-term view, i cannot follow tasks that should be done
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a day.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But that's a problem. If you can't lead, follow or make things here,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you're out of phase.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i don't want lead, i would simply contributing in what a marketing team is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expected to do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bugzilla 4 is a perfect example of what should do a marketing team (atelier,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if you prefer) for real. Bugzilla would help qa team work, would improve the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> overall quality of the distro and would allow to manage bugs that affect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> different versions, but instead of porting it, we're at mageia 3 specs...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useless
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Useless to you, from your point of view. Not useless to everyone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not useless in the short-term, useless in a long-term horizont. if you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't have a long sight, you resolve small issues as they verify, missing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the real things that should be done to assure the success in the long
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> period. bugzilla is one of this: now everyone is involved in proposing new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feauture that will improve the distro, but there is a single tool that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> influence many aspects that isn't taken in consideration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bugzilla upgrade is already planned, but it has nothing to do with new
+</I>&gt;<i> feature proposals or marketing, and is not something that will &quot;assure
+</I>&gt;<i> the success in the long period&quot;, it's just one of the many tools we use
+</I>&gt;<i> to create the distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+with marketing yes because: better bugs management-&gt; better distro
+quality-&gt; better user satisfaction-&gt; marketing. something that will
+assue success in the long period is not something defined by itself, but
+it has to be chosen considering the vision, the mission, the values... i
+think that reading the values quality is one of the key feature, and
+what is the most important thing that assures quality? bugzilla. what
+has the new bugzilla to implement it in our framework? this (only in 4.0
+release):
+
+<A HREF="http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/4.0/release-notes.html#v40_feat">http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/4.0/release-notes.html#v40_feat</A>
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+<PRE>Il 18/06/2012 17:34, Romain d'Alverny ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Marcello&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok, i will start a thread there asking to devs if there is someone who wants
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to follow marketing team plans...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It doesn't work like that (and you've been told this several times in
+</I>&gt;<i> the past years). You won't find people that will follow on principle.
+</I>&gt;<i> You will need to convince/demonstrate that your plan is worth it, and
+</I>&gt;<i> start it on your own first. And you will see as many people join as
+</I>&gt;<i> they see their own interest in contributing.
+</I>
+the plan has to been promoted by mageia.org to have the proability to
+have a minimum of success. and to complete the plan it is necessary to
+have the partecipation of many people, because i don't have many skills
+needed to complete it.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here is there anyone who is able to contribute regarding this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't wait. Start, propose, do. And see if it gains momentum.
+</I>
+the problem is that i can only propose because i study economics, not
+information technology. if you read my commments
+(<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40</A>) is what i'm doing since
+mageia born, but i don't think i'm quite useful except for filling some bugs
+
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> different versions, but instead of porting it, we're at mageia 3 specs...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useless
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Unless you can't embrace the whole thing, you can't even start
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thinking about a marketing plan.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ehm... what do you mean with this prashe?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It means that, in addition to a vision, if you don't have an
+</I>&gt;<i> understanding of the small pieces and of the people that make this
+</I>&gt;<i> project and of the reasons they do it, designing a marketing plan for
+</I>&gt;<i> the project is a waste of time. For the same reason as above.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to contribute, start with something small here (your own
+</I>&gt;<i> idea, or one need already expressed), define it, advocate it and build
+</I>&gt;<i> it. And repeat.
+</I>
+as above, it's what i'm doing since a lot of time (do you remember the
+critics i made in the MUGS of mandriva? after a few years they
+understood they're wrong and they are re-implementing something like
+this). the marketing plan is not a waste of time, but it has to be
+shared among all the mageia community, unless it looses the elements
+that makes it a key tool for all the major companies in the world:
+coherence, long-time view, short-time approach, priorities and coherent
+actions.
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+
+For those that don't know three Mageia teams are merging into the
+Atelier team, and they are, artwork, marketing and communications, and
+web team.
+
+On Sunday I thought about setting up the IRC channel myself, and then on
+Monday I helped RDA set it up properly, and then got some people to join.
+
+The idea of the Atelier IRC channel is to replace separate team channels
+with it, so please stop using the separate team channels, and start
+using the #mageia-atelier channel instead.
+
+Sebastian
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list">trish at thefrasers.org
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+ <I>Thu Jun 21 12:16:42 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+Would anyone who is interested in continuing to do marketing,
+communication, artwork or web-presence related work for Mageia, please
+subscribe to the atelier-discuss list?
+
+The Atelier team will be taking over from Marcom, Artwork and Webteam,
+and the current lists will be closed after a while.
+
+You need to have a Mageia identity registered before you join the
+atelier-discuss list; once you have that, go here to join:
+
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/atelier-discuss">https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/atelier-discuss</A>
+
+See you there!
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V
+-35.67896, 142.66637
+GNU/Linux 1997-2012 #283226 linuxcounter.net
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list">marc at marcpare.com
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+ <I>Thu Jun 21 19:32:20 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi Patricia
+
+Le 2012-06-21 06:16, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would anyone who is interested in continuing to do marketing,
+</I>&gt;<i> communication, artwork or web-presence related work for Mageia, please
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribe to the atelier-discuss list?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The Atelier team will be taking over from Marcom, Artwork and Webteam,
+</I>&gt;<i> and the current lists will be closed after a while.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You need to have a Mageia identity registered before you join the
+</I>&gt;<i> atelier-discuss list; once you have that, go here to join:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/atelier-discuss">https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/atelier-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See you there!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>My apologies. I had a &quot;Duh&quot; moment and now see the login at the top of
+the page.
+
+Sorry,
+
+Marc
+
+--
+Marc Par&#233;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Marc at MarcPare.com</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.parEntreprise.com">http://www.parEntreprise.com</A>
+parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF)
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list">marc at marcpare.com
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+<PRE>Bonjour Patricia,
+
+Le 2012-06-21 06:16, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would anyone who is interested in continuing to do marketing,
+</I>&gt;<i> communication, artwork or web-presence related work for Mageia, please
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribe to the atelier-discuss list?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The Atelier team will be taking over from Marcom, Artwork and Webteam,
+</I>&gt;<i> and the current lists will be closed after a while.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You need to have a Mageia identity registered before you join the
+</I>&gt;<i> atelier-discuss list; once you have that, go here to join:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/atelier-discuss">https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/atelier-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See you there!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>
+Where do I log in to join the mailing list? There does not seem to be a
+log-in window. I think there is supposed to be a link to the log-in page.
+
+Could you also please update the sentence that appears when you click on
+&quot;Subscribe&quot;? it reads:
+
+&quot;In order to subscribe to the list, you should open a account on our
+account system. &lt;<A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/">http://identity.mageia.org/</A>&gt;.
+If you already have one, please log using your account in order to
+subscribe.&quot;
+
+It should say:
+
+&quot;In order to subscribe to the list, you should open a account on our
+account system. &lt;<A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/">http://identity.mageia.org/</A>&gt;.
+If you already have one, please log-in using your account in order to
+subscribe.&quot;
+
+Also, on the Mageia site, the mailing list does not appear to be on
+&quot;Marcom&quot; team page which still encourages people to join the
+&quot;mageia-marketing&quot; list.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
+--
+Marc Par&#233;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Marc at MarcPare.com</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.parEntreprise.com">http://www.parEntreprise.com</A>
+parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF)
+parEntreprise.com Supports <A HREF="http://www.LibreOffice.org">http://www.LibreOffice.org</A>
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+<PRE>Hi Patricia,
+
+Le 2012-06-21 06:16, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would anyone who is interested in continuing to do marketing,
+</I>&gt;<i> communication, artwork or web-presence related work for Mageia, please
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribe to the atelier-discuss list?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The Atelier team will be taking over from Marcom, Artwork and Webteam,
+</I>&gt;<i> and the current lists will be closed after a while.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You need to have a Mageia identity registered before you join the
+</I>&gt;<i> atelier-discuss list; once you have that, go here to join:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/atelier-discuss">https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/atelier-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See you there!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>
+I also forgot to ask if the list will be added to Gmane?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
+--
+Marc Par&#233;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Marc at MarcPare.com</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.parEntreprise.com">http://www.parEntreprise.com</A>
+parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF)
+parEntreprise.com Supports <A HREF="http://www.LibreOffice.org">http://www.LibreOffice.org</A>
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+
+<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC meeting reminder?
+</A><A NAME="910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-marketing] We have a new member
+</A><A NAME="935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-marketing] mageia on my website
+</A><A NAME="938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC meeting reminder?
+</A><A NAME="911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-marketing] We have a new member
+</A><A NAME="912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia Atelier IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Jun 21 19:32:20 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Jun 21 19:50:29 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>June 2012 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jun 4 14:22:58 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Jun 21 19:32:20 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 52<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC meeting reminder?
+</A><A NAME="910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC meeting reminder?
+</A><A NAME="911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-marketing] We have a new member
+</A><A NAME="912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-marketing] We have a new member
+</A><A NAME="935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-marketing] mageia on my website
+</A><A NAME="938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia Atelier IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Jun 21 19:32:20 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Jun 21 19:50:29 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <hr>
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>June 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jun 4 14:22:58 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Jun 21 19:32:20 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 52<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC meeting reminder?
+</A><A NAME="910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC meeting reminder?
+</A><A NAME="911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia Atelier IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-marketing] mageia on my website
+</A><A NAME="938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-marketing] We have a new member
+</A><A NAME="912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-marketing] We have a new member
+</A><A NAME="935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Jun 21 19:32:20 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Jun 21 19:50:29 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>June 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jun 4 14:22:58 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Jun 21 19:32:20 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 52<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01338812578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01338812578-01338815385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01338812578-01338815385-01338857624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338842735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338988331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01338998705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339030780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC meeting reminder?
+</A><A NAME="910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339030780-01339096836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC meeting reminder?
+</A><A NAME="911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339097238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-marketing] We have a new member
+</A><A NAME="912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339097238-01339200443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-marketing] We have a new member
+</A><A NAME="935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339099945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339103119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339103119-01339104129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339103119-01339104129-01339105179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-marketing] Install party planned ?
+</A><A NAME="915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339236191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-marketing] Greetings Fellow Penguin Lovers...
+</A><A NAME="916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01339259221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339259221-01339333424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339259221-01339333424-01339402812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339259221-01339333424-01339402812-01339405318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339259221-01339333424-01339402812-01339405318-01339416750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339259221-01339333424-01339402812-01339405318-01339416828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01339259221-01339333424-01339417570- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339259221-01339333424-01339417570-01339419196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339259221-01339333424-01339417570-01339419196-01339425499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339259221-01339333424-01339417570-01339419196-01339425499-01339448817- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Beno&#238;t Audouard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339259221-01339416949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339259221-01339416949-01339434230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339259221-01339537097- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339259221-01339537097-01339542955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339259221-01339537097-01339542955-01339543819- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-marketing] Lets build some excitement!
+</A><A NAME="945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01339259221-01340023607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339259221-01340023607-01340027346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339259221-01340023607-01340027346-01340029798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339259221-01340023607-01340027346-01340029798-01340031371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339259221-01340023607-01340027346-01340029798-01340031371-01340039574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339259221-01340023607-01340027346-01340029798-01340033674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339259221-01340023607-01340027346-01340029798-01340033674-01340040292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339428193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01339428193-01339429230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01339428193-01339429230-01339446251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01339428193-01339429230-01339446251-01339454341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339428193-01339429230-01339446251-01339454341-01339940677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339428193-01339429230-01339446251-01339454341-01339940677-01339941672- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jonathan Ingold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339428193-01339429230-01339446251-01339454341-01339940677-01339941672-01339942850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339428193-01339429230-01339446251-01339454341-01339940677-01339941672-01339942850-01339969834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01339428193-01339429230-01339446251-01339454341-01339940677-01339941672-01339942976- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?
+</A><A NAME="949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01339429460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-marketing] mageia on my website
+</A><A NAME="938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340218508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia Atelier IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340273802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340273802-01340298787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340273802-01340298932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01340273802-01340299940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-marketing] New mailing list
+</A><A NAME="960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
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