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I only have my phone. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The name is irrelevant, and it sounding like "magic" also,this was the +</I>>><i> issues with the previous teams, to many fine details. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As for the leadership, I feel that each sub group should still have at +</I>>><i> least a coordinator, but there is still an overall leader who is responsible +</I>>><i> for the whole team. I nominate rda for this, with trish and max being the +</I>>><i> respective chair people. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The wiki should still have sections devoted to each sub group, but +</I>>><i> generally linked from the atelier page. This not only keeps it neat but also +</I>>><i> reduces work. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The goals mga 3 should not be set high, having the core work that we need +</I>>><i> to do done with time for testing/checking will most likely be enough to keep +</I>>><i> us easily busy. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Finally, the implication that there are so few people in marcom and +</I>>><i> artwork that actually do anything is getting really annoying, I for one have +</I>>><i> seen many people, well 3 other than trish and seb working on the release +</I>>><i> texts, and artwork has many people that work behind scenes, they just aren't +</I>>><i> so vocal here but that doesn't mean that they don't work. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You weren't in all those meetings that comprised of me, Tumbeliina and one +</I>><i> other rotating person. They basically went like this: discuss something a +</I>><i> little bit, decide what needs to get done, call for volunteer, silence..... +</I>><i> When this pattern repeats itself time and time again, one can't help but get +</I>><i> a certain feeling. +</I>><i> +</I> +This is true, it always annoyed me that the meetings were at a time +when I could hardly if ever make it. I do see your point, and I guess +that I haven't been at the point of this frustration. + +Either way, hopefully this will solve the problem. + +>><i> +</I>>><i> While I realise that the release has been tough and stressful on many +</I>>><i> people and mageia isnt the only thing they need to deal with, but the in +</I>>><i> fighting and negative feel that has appeared recently must stop if this team +</I>>><i> is to grow and work together. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree. But we should also learn from our past mistakes, that's why we make +</I>><i> them. +</I>><i> Bringing up an issue is the first, and most important, step in learning from +</I>><i> one's mistakes. +</I>><i> +</I>The lessons are hopefully really obvious, we need to communicate more, +otherwise we end up with frustration and work going in circles. + +We should probably leave this discussion for now and focus on founding +the new group. +>><i> +</I>>><i> I like thw idea of no meetings and working on stuff yourself, but we must +</I>>><i> keep people aware of what we are doing, artwork lost months because of this +</I>>><i> with choosing the background. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed. +</I>><i> I think that a way for this to happen would for all the work being done be +</I>><i> done on the Mageia servers, and each file contain a detailed history of who +</I>><i> did what when. That way we can all pick and choose what we are working on, +</I>><i> and at any given time know what anybody else is working on. +</I>><i> Having never done this sort of work, I can't recommend any software that +</I>><i> does this, but I have heard rumors of git and svn. Maybe one of them have +</I>><i> the features we need. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Mageia-marketing mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A> +</I>><i> +</I></PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web => atelier ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web => atelier ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#940">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#940">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#940">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#940">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More information about the Mageia-marketing +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |