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+ <H1>[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?</H1>
+ <B>Max Quarterpleen</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] marcom + artwork + web =&gt; atelier ?">bogusman222 at gmail.com
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+ <I>Mon Jun 11 11:01:58 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - this team is named &quot;atelier&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My French is a little rusty. Does that mean &quot;workshop&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Who came up with that name?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't matter. It's just picked to have something.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK, sounds good.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How is it pronounced?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /a.t&#601;.lje/ see <A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atelier</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And why? (I personally was starting to like webartcom)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> webartcom is reductive - and ugly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - a new mailing-list is open for that;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Are all participants of -marcom, -web and -artwork automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to this new list? What is the address? (So I can create a new mail
+</I>&gt;<i> filter)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This list is not registered yet. All participants will have to
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribe, an update message stating each former list being closed and
+</I>&gt;<i> directions to subscribe to the new list will be sent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - existing web, marcom and artwork lists are kept for archive, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; locked down and all subscribers are unsubscribed;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When will this happen?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As soon as 3 or 4 people can agree on a plan and there's no large
+</I>&gt;<i> objection from others, and Council validates it. A good time would be
+</I>&gt;<i> by the end of this week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Count me in. I don't know how much I'll be able to help, I've got a lot
+going in in meatspace now, but I really do want to see things moving along
+on this.
+What kind of plan do we need? (Maybe start that in a new thread?)
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - will have a say in whatever happens in this team, only those making
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and contributing things (so here, actionable designs, working code,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; graphics or copy, etc.); opinions and feedback from others still
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; welcome, but not enough to move forward;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, sort of a reward for participating? Interesting.... but might not
+</I>&gt;<i> work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then what would you suggest that would work better?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here it's not a reward; it's a right, if you participate/make things
+</I>&gt;<i> or if you're included by the team peers; and it's how it happens in
+</I>&gt;<i> other teams (packagers, dev, sysadmin, qa, i18n, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, I can see that. But part of the problem that we've had recently is
+with people not contributing.
+It's fine to say &quot;If you contribute then you get a say in what happens&quot; but
+if nobody is contributing....
+I can't really think of any alternative, since it is a very good way to do
+things.
+I'm just a little concerned about people not contributing.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - external contributions are a true option; that is, one team peer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; getting in touch/inviting a professional person [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think iamoverrated has already started doing this with a graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> designer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not sure on the details, we've been playing IRC tag for a week or
+</I>&gt;<i> so...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, that's great then. That would be even greater that details (what
+</I>&gt;<i> work, what scope, when, how, etc.) and progress are posted on this
+</I>&gt;<i> list so that things are not wasted or duplicated in the end.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'll ping him and see what he can tell us.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - formatting our resources so that one-shot contributions from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; external people are made easier is a true option too (that means
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; things easier to grasp, understand and update);
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know. At this time, I only can find GitHub's &quot;fork and pull&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> way very inspiring
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests">https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests</A>) + more
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation on how/why things are as they are.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - no more meeting, we plan and do things, and update everyone through
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the mailing-list (or other, but asynchronous); so being on IRC is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; a must, just good to have;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Where will we be hanging out? New channel? One of the existing channels?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We'll see. &quot;No meeting&quot; policy doesn't prevent from chatting, hopefully :-p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Indeed.
+
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