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(for +</I>><i> instance if Mageia 2011 appears april 2011, I send a DVD to my friend +</I>><i> who installs it on his new computer in september 2011 .... and he will +</I>><i> be asked to update his installed Mageia) +</I>><i> If he cannot download a CD iso because of his connection, he cannot +</I>><i> download 700 Mo of updates !!! +</I>IMHO continuously updating your systems has little real value and +potentially has very large negative value. + +I run my systems with no maintenance for years on end. The more +important a server is, the less maintenance I do, since most problems +are caused by finger trouble and bad updates. It is much more cost +effective to lock a system down and then leave it alone, than to fiddle +with it all the time and suffer periodic screw-ups. + +A yearly release of NEW ISOs should be good enough for people with a +slow net connection and they will likely have far less trouble than +people doing rolling updates. + +Just my 0.0001 cent's worth + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2821">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2821">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2821">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2821">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002822.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002822.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b9ef6a831 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002822.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1011020642280.19113-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002854.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002828.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1011020642280.19113-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 06:49:16 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2822">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2822">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2822">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2822">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: + +><i> Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>><i> > I believe it would be possible to update the isos say each month, and made so +</I>><i> > it by a script in an installed system could be used as update repo too. (it +</I>><i> > mounts the CD and registers it as a update repo for the normal updater to +</I>><i> > use) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > It has packages from main update repo replacing updated versions. +</I>><i> > It does NOT use chauldron. +</I>><i> > - Almost like we have a new release each month, but it really is just updates, +</I>><i> > no revolutionary changes. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Weak point: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Unless you are prepared to do full intensive QA on the updated distro, +</I>><i> the quality of these updated ISOs can be significantly lower than the +</I>><i> quality of the original release ISO. Since it will look, for all +</I>><i> intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality will +</I>><i> be what people expect of it. +</I> +Nonsense. The normal updates are not any more unstable than the original +release, rather the contrary. +Of course occasional glitches can happen but they happen equally on the +original install CDs (as has been proven again and again). + +What difference is there between someone who installs from the original +release CD and then applies updates vs. installing from a CD where the +updates are already included? + +I'm all for the idea of updated ISOs that include all updates, too. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2822">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2822">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2822">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2822">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002823.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002823.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5c9decfeb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002823.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikx3Pkix72DVEncrTxGDxwRxrUB8J5UhXZ5xebc%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002842.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002824.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20KDE%204.5.2%20for%20Mandrive&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikx3Pkix72DVEncrTxGDxwRxrUB8J5UhXZ5xebc%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 07:04:38 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002842.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002824.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2823">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2823">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2823">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2823">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 1 November 2010 22:03, Juan Luis Baptiste <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">juan.baptiste at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> In a new user account the login sound is enabled? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes it is, but I disabled it and kded4 doesn't crash, how did you knew +</I>><i> ? and what could be causing this ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Juancho +</I>><i> +</I> +I saw a similar bug in cooker sometimes, but since no one else seemed +able to reproduce it, I assumed it was just some weirdness on my +box.... + +The bug I saw was when anything used phonon for sound (the login +sound, amarok... etc) kded4 crashed. + +FWIW pulseaudio is disabled here and this bug doesn't seem to happen +with PA enabled; how is it at your end? + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002842.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002824.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2823">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2823">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2823">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2823">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002824.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002824.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..715ea8efa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002824.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C201011020920.16983.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002823.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002825.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C201011020920.16983.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 09:20:16 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002823.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002825.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2824">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2824">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2824">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2824">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I read the full meeting logs from 25/10, and i noticed tmb saying: + +"pretty much a cooker snapshot" + + +I donno how far you're going to take this; but i thought we would be getting a +new version out ASAP. + +in my understanding, we would get a 2010.1 snapshot and use it to build the +first ISO. + +and use the cooker snapshot to get a cauldron. + +imo the cooker is sooo unstable and broken, we will not be able to get a +working ISO from it, that is more or less stable in this timeframe. + +eg: + * KDE + * glib + * perl + * python + * RPM + * ... + + +most of these will get fixed, in time; but what about ALL the packages +depending on that? most of the packages aren't even maintained... + +personally, i'm against using cooker to make a stable ISO 0. + +rebranding a 2010.1 will be lots more stable; and maintime we will have the +time to make cauldron (from cooker) into something good, so we will be able to +make a release based on cauldron on the 18th of september. + +WDYT? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002823.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002825.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2824">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2824">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2824">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2824">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002825.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002825.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..187e2ff4b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002825.html @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C20101102083245.GB1611%40laptop%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002824.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002826.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification</H1> + <B>Cazzaniga-Sandro</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C20101102083245.GB1611%40laptop%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 09:32:45 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002824.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002826.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2825">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2825">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2825">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2825">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 09:20:16AM +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote: +><i> I read the full meeting logs from 25/10, and i noticed tmb saying: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "pretty much a cooker snapshot" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I donno how far you're going to take this; but i thought we would be getting a +</I>><i> new version out ASAP. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> in my understanding, we would get a 2010.1 snapshot and use it to build the +</I>><i> first ISO. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and use the cooker snapshot to get a cauldron. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> imo the cooker is sooo unstable and broken, we will not be able to get a +</I>><i> working ISO from it, that is more or less stable in this timeframe. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> eg: +</I>><i> * KDE +</I>><i> * glib +</I>><i> * perl +</I>><i> * python +</I>><i> * RPM +</I>><i> * ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> most of these will get fixed, in time; but what about ALL the packages +</I>><i> depending on that? most of the packages aren't even maintained... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> personally, i'm against using cooker to make a stable ISO 0. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> rebranding a 2010.1 will be lots more stable; and maintime we will have the +</I>><i> time to make cauldron (from cooker) into something good, so we will be able to +</I>><i> make a release based on cauldron on the 18th of september. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> WDYT? +</I> +I think that in cooker, there's many bug from 2010.1 that are solved. Software's versions are more recent too, maybe more stable. +There are bugfixes in cooker too. We can stabilize cooker a little bit more and it will make a prety Cauldron :) +-- +Sandro Cazzaniga +Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>) +Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>) +Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>) +Developer (Perl, Bash, C) +Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002824.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002826.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2825">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2825">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2825">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2825">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002826.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002826.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9b81f2e69 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002826.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C201011020956.53643.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002825.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002827.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C201011020956.53643.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 09:56:53 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002825.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002827.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2826">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2826">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2826">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2826">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 09:32:45 schreef Cazzaniga-Sandro: +><i> On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 09:20:16AM +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote: +</I>><i> > I read the full meeting logs from 25/10, and i noticed tmb saying: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > "pretty much a cooker snapshot" +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I donno how far you're going to take this; but i thought we would be +</I>><i> > getting a new version out ASAP. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > in my understanding, we would get a 2010.1 snapshot and use it to build +</I>><i> > the first ISO. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > and use the cooker snapshot to get a cauldron. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > imo the cooker is sooo unstable and broken, we will not be able to get a +</I>><i> > working ISO from it, that is more or less stable in this timeframe. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > eg: +</I>><i> > * KDE +</I>><i> > * glib +</I>><i> > * perl +</I>><i> > * python +</I>><i> > * RPM +</I>><i> > * ... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > most of these will get fixed, in time; but what about ALL the packages +</I>><i> > depending on that? most of the packages aren't even maintained... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > personally, i'm against using cooker to make a stable ISO 0. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > rebranding a 2010.1 will be lots more stable; and maintime we will have +</I>><i> > the time to make cauldron (from cooker) into something good, so we will +</I>><i> > be able to make a release based on cauldron on the 18th of september. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > WDYT? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think that in cooker, there's many bug from 2010.1 that are solved. +</I>><i> Software's versions are more recent too, maybe more stable. There are +</I>><i> bugfixes in cooker too. We can stabilize cooker a little bit more and it +</I>><i> will make a prety Cauldron :) +</I> + +i agree, it'll make a pretty Cauldron... + +but not an ISO_0 in december. (imo, it will not be pretty at all) + +I specifically request ISO_0 to be based off 2010.1 with updates (and not +cooker) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002825.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002827.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2826">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2826">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2826">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2826">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002827.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002827.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..95c70ada2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002827.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DkKNNEkNCjguZ-ayNFMQFDpdaZi1Fk%3Dsj2xQk%3D%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002826.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002829.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DkKNNEkNCjguZ-ayNFMQFDpdaZi1Fk%3Dsj2xQk%3D%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 10:56:52 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002826.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002829.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2827">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2827">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2827">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2827">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/11/2 Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> but not an ISO_0 in december. (imo, it will not be pretty at all) +</I>><i> +</I> +If you read the roadmap carefully you will see that the ISO planned +for December is an Alpha 1, then there will be an Alpha 2 in January +and the first Final Release of Mageia will be in March 2011. + +Nobody is talking about anything stable in December. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002826.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002829.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2827">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2827">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2827">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2827">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002828.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002828.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6b86ac082 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002828.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CCFEF69.4050104%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002822.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002832.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CCFEF69.4050104%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 12:00:57 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2828">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2828">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2828">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2828">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Tux99 wrote: +><i> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Weak point: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Unless you are prepared to do full intensive QA on the updated distro, +</I>>><i> the quality of these updated ISOs can be significantly lower than the +</I>>><i> quality of the original release ISO. Since it will look, for all +</I>>><i> intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality will +</I>>><i> be what people expect of it. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Nonsense. The normal updates are not any more unstable than the original +</I>><i> release, rather the contrary. +</I>><i> +</I> +I suggest you review MDV's release procedures. Full releases and +security updates go through formal QA. Backports are often not even +tested by the person building the rpm. + +><i> Of course occasional glitches can happen but they happen equally on the +</I>><i> original install CDs (as has been proven again and again). +</I>><i> +</I> +And they get addressed through updates which themselves go through QA. + +><i> What difference is there between someone who installs from the original +</I>><i> release CD and then applies updates vs. installing from a CD where the +</I>><i> updates are already included? +</I>><i> +</I> +In the first case, you can roll back the update. If all you've got is +two ISOs, and you're unfamiliar enough with CLI rpm to be using ISOs to +begin with, you're screwed unless you reinstall (or kept the old image, +which newbies are unlikely to do). +><i> I'm all for the idea of updated ISOs that include all updates, too. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2828">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2828">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2828">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2828">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002829.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002829.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e5d06626f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002829.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C201011021204.54660.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002827.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002831.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C201011021204.54660.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 12:04:54 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002827.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002831.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2829">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2829">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2829">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2829">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 10:56:52 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: +><i> 2010/11/2 Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > but not an ISO_0 in december. (imo, it will not be pretty at all) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you read the roadmap carefully you will see that the ISO planned +</I>><i> for December is an Alpha 1, then there will be an Alpha 2 in January +</I>><i> and the first Final Release of Mageia will be in March 2011. +</I> +last meeting i read agreed on april + +><i> Nobody is talking about anything stable in December. +</I> +i did notice that; but imo; it has to be at least a bit stable in December, +because we still have all the contrib packages to go through... + +i still propose we get the 2010.1 into the ISO_0 and for the next release go +do from cauldron. + +don't forget there's also the whole /soft tree that still needs to be decided +what to do... + +are we going to do urpm/rpm ourselves or are we going to let mandriva handle +that? + +imo, there's way too much to be done to have anything stable; and if we go +this route, i can predict that our release will not be stable enough. + +i really want to have a stable release which i will not be ashamed of. + +we don't have much people working fulltime on this; and just having a 2010.1 +with updates rebranded will be alot better. that way we can focus on upgrading +from several mandriva's without issues. and handle all the major changes that +are being pushed in to cooker to work fine in the next release. + +i also forgot that: + * systemd + * grub2 + * gnome3 + * ... + +our new packagers still need to be taught how to package etc... + +there is way too much to be done. if we go down this route, our first release +might as well be september 18th... + + +this is all my opinion, but tbh, i'm getting panicked if i hear this. +realistically, it's just not feasable to have something stable in april that +will upgrade completely fine from mandriva. (even if it's from older releases). + +Kind Regards, + +Maarten +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002827.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002831.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2829">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2829">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2829">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2829">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002830.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002830.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e32af7ad6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002830.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C4CCFF48E.1000605%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002835.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002836.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C4CCFF48E.1000605%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 12:22:54 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002835.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002836.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2830">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2830">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2830">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2830">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Maarten Vanraes wrote: +><i> rebranding a 2010.1 will be lots more stable; and maintime we will have the +</I>><i> time to make cauldron (from cooker) into something good, so we will be able to +</I>><i> make a release based on cauldron on the 18th of september. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> WDYT? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I focus more on cooker than I do on the formal releases (since cooker is +what I use), but if there were some significant shortcomings in 2010.1 +that had to go out the door anyway, a rebranded 2010.1 with some of the +major issues corrected would be a worthwhile effort. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002835.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002836.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2830">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2830">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2830">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2830">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002831.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002831.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..862b9a96a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002831.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinb9gQyZf68H6orMRynGSoOrLXiyhvqa92OdENx%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002829.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002835.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinb9gQyZf68H6orMRynGSoOrLXiyhvqa92OdENx%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 12:23:08 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002829.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002835.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2831">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2831">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2831">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2831">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/11/2 Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> last meeting i read agreed on april +</I> +Yes, sorry. + +><i> imo, there's way too much to be done to have anything stable; and if we go +</I>><i> this route, i can predict that our release will not be stable enough. +</I> +Well, I am neither a developper nor a packager. If the leading people +who are either experienced Mandriva developpers or packagers or +experienced release project leaders tell me they see April as a +realistic time of release I do believe them. + +The basis is the current cooker. What makes you believe that the +Mageia people will not be able to achieve what Mandriva has announced +to do? Mandriva announced to release end of Q1 / beginning of Q2 2011. +Both have the same starting point. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002829.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002835.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2831">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2831">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2831">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2831">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002832.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002832.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..499901a76 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002832.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C201011021252.25537.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002828.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002834.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C201011021252.25537.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 12:52:25 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2832">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2832">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2832">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2832">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Den 2010-11-02 12:00:57 skrev Frank Griffin: +><i>Backports are often not even tested by the person building the rpm. +</I> +That does not sound good, but regardless : + +It should not include backports, only updates + +><i> > What difference is there between someone who installs from the original +</I>><i> > release CD and then applies updates vs. installing from a CD where the +</I>><i> > updates are already included? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In the first case, you can roll back the update. If all you've got is +</I>><i> two ISOs, and you're unfamiliar enough with CLI rpm to be using ISOs to +</I>><i> begin with, you're screwed unless you reinstall (or kept the old image, +</I>><i> which newbies are unlikely to do). +</I> +I hope updates are checked carefully enough as they are passed to every normal +user doing updates. So i believe the average updated package should be +better than release version. + +Actually, the big install base could be used to *increase* the quality of +updated versions over the release version: +If users notice problems with an update: avoid it in the updated ISO. +(That also mean updates newer than a few days should never enter the updated +iso) + +Practically, at Mageia the automatic thingy gathers all updates except the +last few days, then some are manually removed if ther is any problems, then +some dependency checks, iso build, light test, release. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2832">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2832">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2832">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2832">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002833.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002833.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c2ca3199c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002833.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C201011021301.56874.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Since it will look, for all +</I>><i> >> intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality will +</I>><i> >> be what people expect of it. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> > Nonsense. The normal updates are not any more unstable than the original +</I>><i> > release, rather the contrary. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I suggest you review MDV's release procedures. Full releases and +</I>><i> security updates go through formal QA. Backports are often not even +</I>><i> tested by the person building the rpm. +</I> +Backports? Who is talking about backports? +We are talking about normal security and bug-fix updates here. + +><i> And they get addressed through updates which themselves go through QA. +</I> +Exactly, that's why it make sense to release an updated iso with them +included. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002842.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2834">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2834">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2834">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2834">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002835.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002835.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9414eb881 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002835.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C201011021305.38986.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002831.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002830.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C201011021305.38986.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 13:05:38 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002831.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002830.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2835">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2835">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2835">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2835">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 12:23:08 schreef Wolfgang Bornath: +><i> 2010/11/2 Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > last meeting i read agreed on april +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, sorry. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > imo, there's way too much to be done to have anything stable; and if we +</I>><i> > go this route, i can predict that our release will not be stable enough. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, I am neither a developper nor a packager. If the leading people +</I>><i> who are either experienced Mandriva developpers or packagers or +</I>><i> experienced release project leaders tell me they see April as a +</I>><i> realistic time of release I do believe them. +</I> +i'm a newbie packager. + +><i> The basis is the current cooker. What makes you believe that the +</I>><i> Mageia people will not be able to achieve what Mandriva has announced +</I>><i> to do? Mandriva announced to release end of Q1 / beginning of Q2 2011. +</I>><i> Both have the same starting point. +</I> +i don't really want to base myself of what Mandriva will do: + - there is a big amount of bugs that are just sitting there + - how many devs do they have? + - they can always postpone or bring an unstable release (there have been +unstable releases in the past) + - i thought the QA team was almost empty? + + +The reason for this question of myself is that (as a non-cooker user), i find +the current cooker really really unstable and unfit for release (duh). + +however the amount of work there is to be done to make it somewhat stable; and +then again the amount of work there is to be done to make it well-tested and +the amount of work for all the contribs and unmaintained packages... + +don't forget that if RPM is upgraded; we will have alot of work to be done to +get everything working properly. + +and even then all our contributors will have to be taught as well... + + +This question is like a reminder that there is a huge amount of work, and +contributors aren't up to speed. and we're not ready for work yet? BS needs to +be finalized. the teams aren't elected yet, there is still lots of wiki and +docs to be done... + +personally, i just don't see it feasable in that timeframe. + +Kind Regards, + +Maarten +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002831.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002830.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2835">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2835">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2835">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2835">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002836.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002836.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..de0b08eb4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002836.html @@ -0,0 +1,138 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C1288699997.12166.17.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002830.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002838.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ISO%200%20specification&In-Reply-To=%3C1288699997.12166.17.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 13:13:17 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002830.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002838.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2836">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2836">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2836">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2836">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 02 novembre 2010 à 09:20 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : +><i> I read the full meeting logs from 25/10, and i noticed tmb saying: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "pretty much a cooker snapshot" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I donno how far you're going to take this; but i thought we would be getting a +</I>><i> new version out ASAP. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> in my understanding, we would get a 2010.1 snapshot and use it to build the +</I>><i> first ISO. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and use the cooker snapshot to get a cauldron. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> imo the cooker is sooo unstable and broken, we will not be able to get a +</I>><i> working ISO from it, that is more or less stable in this timeframe. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> eg: +</I>><i> * KDE +</I>><i> * glib +</I>><i> * perl +</I>><i> * python +</I>><i> * RPM +</I>><i> * ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> most of these will get fixed, in time; but what about ALL the packages +</I>><i> depending on that? most of the packages aren't even maintained... +</I> +They are not more maintained on 2010.1 than on cooker. + +><i> personally, i'm against using cooker to make a stable ISO 0. +</I> +why that's what we do all the time, after a stabilisation period. It +worked fine for the last 7 years, and that's a part of the process that +is used by lots of distributions. ( have a devel tree, fork it for +release, bug fix, release it ). There is slightly different variations +( fedora and no frozen rawhide, debian and testing/stable/unstable ), +but all do the same, basically. + +><i> rebranding a 2010.1 will be lots more stable; and maintime we will have the +</I>><i> time to make cauldron (from cooker) into something good, so we will be able to +</I>><i> make a release based on cauldron on the 18th of september. +</I> +But it would be less appealing, and this would make the life of the +communication team slightly difficult. It would also mean getting older +hardware support, older versions of various components ( like python, +for example ). + +And this would not save anything, as the bugfix work will have to be +done anyway sooner or later. + +More ever, the experience showed that if you give more time to fix bugs, +bugs just take more time to be fixed ( aka, we are lazy ). The more +visible evidence is the activity in Mandriva when a deadline appear "we +will now freeze the version update", where suddenly everybody update +everything ( while we could have done sooner ) + +And postponing to september ( ie 6 months later ) will be imho more +problematic, as this will add the current cooker breakage to the one +introduced by all the changes that people will want to push in the 6 +months ( gnome 3, etc, etc ). We have already experience with the +current 6 months cycles, but we do not really have with a 1 year cycle, +and this may cause trouble. + +So it is better to split the work into small time based chunks, because +that's something we know, and we should avoid surprise to start the +distribution. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002830.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002838.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2836">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2836">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2836">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2836">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002837.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002837.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f06aebb5c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002837.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interview%20de%20Anne%20Nicolas%20pour%20Mageia%20%5Bfrench%5D&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DoSLOYHAERx6w9PLDtgjrPBzMP_Qg1zUyddJEs%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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but i thought we would be +</I>><i> > getting a new version out ASAP. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > in my understanding, we would get a 2010.1 snapshot and use it to build +</I>><i> > the first ISO. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > and use the cooker snapshot to get a cauldron. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > imo the cooker is sooo unstable and broken, we will not be able to get a +</I>><i> > working ISO from it, that is more or less stable in this timeframe. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > eg: +</I>><i> > * KDE +</I>><i> > * glib +</I>><i> > * perl +</I>><i> > * python +</I>><i> > * RPM +</I>><i> > * ... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > most of these will get fixed, in time; but what about ALL the packages +</I>><i> > depending on that? most of the packages aren't even maintained... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They are not more maintained on 2010.1 than on cooker. +</I> +exactly, but on 2010.1 those might still "work". + +><i> > personally, i'm against using cooker to make a stable ISO 0. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> why that's what we do all the time, after a stabilisation period. It +</I>><i> worked fine for the last 7 years, and that's a part of the process that +</I>><i> is used by lots of distributions. ( have a devel tree, fork it for +</I>><i> release, bug fix, release it ). There is slightly different variations +</I>><i> ( fedora and no frozen rawhide, debian and testing/stable/unstable ), +</I>><i> but all do the same, basically. +</I> +i am not against a stabilisation period + +><i> > rebranding a 2010.1 will be lots more stable; and maintime we will have +</I>><i> > the time to make cauldron (from cooker) into something good, so we will +</I>><i> > be able to make a release based on cauldron on the 18th of september. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But it would be less appealing, and this would make the life of the +</I>><i> communication team slightly difficult. It would also mean getting older +</I>><i> hardware support, older versions of various components ( like python, +</I>><i> for example ). +</I> +that is true + +><i> And this would not save anything, as the bugfix work will have to be +</I>><i> done anyway sooner or later. +</I> +also true + +><i> More ever, the experience showed that if you give more time to fix bugs, +</I>><i> bugs just take more time to be fixed ( aka, we are lazy ). The more +</I>><i> visible evidence is the activity in Mandriva when a deadline appear "we +</I>><i> will now freeze the version update", where suddenly everybody update +</I>><i> everything ( while we could have done sooner ) +</I> +i didn't think of this, i suppose you have a valid point here + +><i> And postponing to september ( ie 6 months later ) will be imho more +</I>><i> problematic, as this will add the current cooker breakage to the one +</I>><i> introduced by all the changes that people will want to push in the 6 +</I>><i> months ( gnome 3, etc, etc ). We have already experience with the +</I>><i> current 6 months cycles, but we do not really have with a 1 year cycle, +</I>><i> and this may cause trouble. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So it is better to split the work into small time based chunks, because +</I>><i> that's something we know, and we should avoid surprise to start the +</I>><i> distribution. +</I> +this is why i proposed using 2010.1 as basis +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002836.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2838">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2838">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2838">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2838">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002839.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002839.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..833d7e87a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002839.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interview%20de%20Anne%20Nicolas%20pour%20Mageia%20%5Bfrench%5D&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1011021332020.19113-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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but there is something about the financial and entreprise +side of it, that i didn't get. + +in any case, nice commercial Anne, i give thumbs up! +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2840">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2840">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2840">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2840">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002841.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002841.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1302c69b3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002841.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Ciap3jo%248nv%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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(for +</I>>><i> instance if Mageia 2011 appears april 2011, I send a DVD to my friend +</I>>><i> who installs it on his new computer in september 2011 .... and he will +</I>>><i> be asked to update his installed Mageia) +</I>>><i> If he cannot download a CD iso because of his connection, he cannot +</I>>><i> download 700 Mo of updates !!! +</I>><i> IMHO continuously updating your systems has little real value and +</I>><i> potentially has very large negative value. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I run my systems with no maintenance for years on end. The more +</I>><i> important a server is, the less maintenance I do, since most problems +</I>><i> are caused by finger trouble and bad updates. It is much more cost +</I>><i> effective to lock a system down and then leave it alone, than to fiddle +</I>><i> with it all the time and suffer periodic screw-ups. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A yearly release of NEW ISOs should be good enough for people with a +</I>><i> slow net connection and they will likely have far less trouble than +</I>><i> people doing rolling updates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just my 0.0001 cent's worth +</I>><i> +</I> +Let's not forget the main issue is to provide ISO's through Mageia +Community groups to potential users who cannot get ISO's from their slow +connection. Some people cannot afford to have their telephone busy with +a download lasting for a day or so. + +This issue is also about providing an ISO to users with no connection to +the internet. This issue is NOT about people who have high speed +connection to the internet + +In these cases, the idea is that the local Mageia Community group could +supply an ISO with hopefully all updates to the new user. + +Marc + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2841">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2841">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2841">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2841">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002842.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002842.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..40b120e7f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002842.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Ciap3v4%24a12%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002834.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002823.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Ciap3v4%24a12%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 14:33:24 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002823.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2842">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2842">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2842">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2842">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-11-02 08:02, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Tux99 wrote: +</I>>>><i> On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Weak point: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Unless you are prepared to do full intensive QA on the updated distro, +</I>>>>><i> the quality of these updated ISOs can be significantly lower than the +</I>>>>><i> quality of the original release ISO. Since it will look, for all +</I>>>>><i> intents and purposes, like the release ISO, that level of quality will +</I>>>>><i> be what people expect of it. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Nonsense. The normal updates are not any more unstable than the original +</I>>>><i> release, rather the contrary. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I suggest you review MDV's release procedures. Full releases and +</I>>><i> security updates go through formal QA. Backports are often not even +</I>>><i> tested by the person building the rpm. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Backports? Who is talking about backports? +</I>><i> We are talking about normal security and bug-fix updates here. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> And they get addressed through updates which themselves go through QA. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Exactly, that's why it make sense to release an updated iso with them +</I>><i> included. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Agreed, we are not talking about backports at all. This issue is about +giving out an ISO disk with all official updates (to that date) to +people who cannot have their slow telephone hookup tied up for the day +to download our Mageia product or to user who have no hookup to the +internet at all. + +Surely, the official updates have been thoroughly tested just as the +original release? It not, then a warning should be put out to +users/members that the official updates do not have the same level of QA +as the original release. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002823.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2842">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2842">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2842">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2842">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002843.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002843.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..497d0edd3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002843.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Cloom.20101102T145843-480%40post.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002841.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002844.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>André Machado</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Cloom.20101102T145843-480%40post.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">afmachado at dcemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 15:04:48 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2843">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2843">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2843">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2843">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Let's not forget that a new ISO each month will require more disk +space on server! + +Differences behind these "Update Packs" and Caldron can be that +MUP will be secure and tested regular updates, and Caldron not, +right? So, if MUP will be adopted, I suggest put ISOs on server +by two months, after this they will be deleted. + +Of curse, if local communities assume this work, disk space will +not be a issue and Mageia will can put in its website a +disclaimer that they're not responsable by that 3rd party ISOS +and recommend official ISOS for production environment. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2843">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2843">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2843">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2843">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002844.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002844.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3d9567db4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002844.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Ciap8i7%242j1%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002843.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002849.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3Ciap8i7%242j1%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 15:51:51 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2844">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2844">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2844">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2844">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-11-02 10:04, André Machado a écrit : +><i> Let's not forget that a new ISO each month will require more disk +</I>><i> space on server! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Differences behind these "Update Packs" and Caldron can be that +</I>><i> MUP will be secure and tested regular updates, and Caldron not, +</I>><i> right? So, if MUP will be adopted, I suggest put ISOs on server +</I>><i> by two months, after this they will be deleted. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of curse, if local communities assume this work, disk space will +</I>><i> not be a issue and Mageia will can put in its website a +</I>><i> disclaimer that they're not responsable by that 3rd party ISOS +</I>><i> and recommend official ISOS for production environment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Hi André + +I would find this counter-productive. + +I am just curious. As I am new to all of this. + +When I install Mandriva, I download the ISO from the Mandriva site, then +after the install, I go to Google, Google "Easy URPMI" and install the +official repositories and the PLF repositories. I then do an "update". +On Mandriva 2010.1 there are now almost 450 updated that come through. + +Now, do these updates come from Mandriva? If yes, are these updates not +tested in the same way as the ISO packages? If yes, would it not be +possible to construct and ISO with the "official updates" already +applied? If yes, would it not make sense that Mandriva stand behind this +product with the updates? If yes, then would the Communities be able to +offer these to people as official ISO's from Mandriva? + +Note that you could then just replace the "Mandriva" name with the +"Mageia" name. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2844">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2844">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2844">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2844">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002845.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002845.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6c73ccce6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002845.html @@ -0,0 +1,221 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interview%20de%20Anne%20Nicolas%20pour%20Mageia%20%5Bfrench%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C201011021819.45609.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002840.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002846.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interview%20de%20Anne%20Nicolas%20pour%20Mageia%20%5Bfrench%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C201011021819.45609.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 18:19:45 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002846.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2845">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2845">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2845">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2845">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 2 novembre 2010 13:33:23, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote: +</I>><i> > French speaking people can found here an interview of Anne Nicolas about +</I>><i> > Mageia +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Would be great if someone who understands French could make a transcript +</I>><i> of the interview, so we can read it using babelfish. +</I> +French Transcript : + +Philippe Nieuwbourg - bonjour à tous, bienvenue sur le plateau télé de L'open +world forum, nous allons aujourd'hui aborder un autre sujet avec notre +nouvelle invitée, Anne Nicolas, Bonjour +Anne Nicolas - Bonjour +PN - Alors vous travaillez pour une communauté qui s'appelle Mageia +AN - Tout à fait +PN – Mais, alors là nos auditeurs doivent se dire "mais Mageia jamais entendu +parler, qu'est ce que c'est que la promotion de ce truc nouveau" Mageia est un +fork de Mandriva +AN - tout à fait +PN - on se rappelle de Mandriva, moi j'avais quitté Mandriva dans ma tête à +une époque où il y avait de nombreuses difficultés financières, on ne savait pas +bien ce que ça allait donner. Expliquez nous un petit peu ce qui s'est passé +et ce qui vous a donné envie de créer ce fork Mageia. +AN - Ce fork Mageia est venu de tout un lot d'incertitudes qui résidait chez +Mandriva, j'étais moi-même employée par une filiale de Mandriva. On estimait +qu'il y avait eu 12 ans de travail énorme réalisé sur cette distribution et +qu'il fallait pérenniser cet effort et on voulait s'abstraire de la présence +d'une entreprise qui avait des haut et des bas au niveau économique et on a +décidé de forker, c'est à dire de reprendre la distribution Mandriva Linux à +un moment donné à partir d'une copie simplement puisque la licence le permet +et de monter un nouveau projet à partir de là uniquement communautaire et au +sein d'une association et le projet s'appelle Mageia +PN - alors c'est très à la mode parce que finalement ce que vous avez fait +des gens de la communauté MySQL l'ont fait au moment du rachat par Oracle, ils +ont accepté le rachat par Sun, ils n'ont pas accepté le rachat par Oracle, on +a appris hier que la communauté OpenOffice était en train de faire la même chose +parce que là aussi ils ne sont pas d'accord avec les orientations de Oracle, +donc finalement pour tous ceux qui ne connaissent pas tous ces termes là, un +fork c'est que vous avez la possibilité de reprendre le code source initiale +et de créer pour l'instant exactement la même chose, c'est une copie conforme +? +AN - tout à fait, il ne s'agit pas non plus de réinventer la roue, puisque je +l'ai dit tout à l'heure, on croit beaucoup à la technologie intégrée à la +distribution Mandriva Linux, on pense que c'est vraiment un point fort, mais +on voudrait travailler de manière différente à l'élaboration de la future +distribution +PN- Alors Mageia ça va être une association loi 1901 donc à but non lucratif ? +AN - tout à fait, +PN - qui regroupera la communauté, les développeurs en fait, ce sont les +développeurs de la communauté qui seront les membres de l'association ? +AN - alors les membres de l'association va recouper l'intégralité du scope de +gens qui touchent de près ou de loin à une distribution. Ça va être des +développeurs, des gens qui font du packaging logiciel, des testeurs des +traducteurs, mais c'est aussi des utilisateurs parce qu'aujourd'hui ce qui +fait la force d'une distribution c'est la capacité de sa communauté +d'utilisateurs à faire la promotion de cette distribution donc ils ont une +partie tout à fait prédominante et essentielle dans l'association. +PN - Alors on peut se poser la question pourquoi une association. Vous pensez +qu'aujourd'hui c'est le meilleur moyen de travailler ensemble sur un projet +comme celui-là ? +AN - il se trouve que les valeurs du libre aujourd'hui font que ça peut être +un petit peu exigeant sur la nécessité du partage de la pérennité du logiciel, +etc. et étant donné l'historique et les difficultés rencontrées du temps de +Mandriva on a estimé qu'un projet communautaire était plus adapté et +l'association est là uniquement pour encadrer l'utilisation des ressources, +l'organisation, de manière à ce oui on est dans un projet communauté mais +organisé de façon pérenne. +PN - En même temps il faut bien vivre, vous étiez employée d'une société qui +travaillait sur Mandriva, vous avez peut être envie de retrouver un job et de +retrouver un salaire +AN - oui ce serait bien +PN - il faut bien que tout ça vive, comment est ce qu'on génère du revenu dans +une structure parfaitement associative ? +AN - alors l'association c'est une chose, elle produit un produit qui +s'appelle Mageia qui est une distribution, on peut parfaitement envisager une +structure commerciale qui va agir en périphérie de l'association et qui va +s'appuyer sur la distribution qui s'appelle Mageia et qui va proposer tout un +tas de service comme du support, du consulting, du développement, de manière à +aider l'entreprise à prendre ce produit communautaire qui a énormément de +force et l'intégrer dans sa panoplie de solution qu'elle peut avoir. +PN - Alors aujourd'hui vous êtes confronté à un certain nombres de besoin +urgents, le premier besoin on va essayer d'y répondre ensemble c'est de faire +un petit peu de bruit autour de Mageia parce que personne ne connaît. +AN - Personne ne connaît à l'extérieur, dans le petit monde de l'open source +j'avoue qu'on a été très agréablement surpris par les retours parce que non +seulement la communauté actuelle Mandriva a bien réagit à l'annonce et a +adhéré mais aussi parce que des gens qui utilisaient Mandrake à l'époque et +qui reviennent parce que il estime que ça correspond un peu plus à leur +attente qu'ils avaient et à leur vision d'une distribution open source +PN - Il faut faire attention à ce qu'on appelle syndrome du nombril qui fait +que des gens qui vous connaissent vous connaissent et toute la difficulté est de +faire en sorte que ceux qui ne vous connaissent pas aient le réflexe d'aller +voir Mageia plutôt car il faut dire les choses très claires du coup vous +devenez un peu en concurrence de Mandriva ? +AN- tout à fait +PN - Comment est ce que vous allez faire pour essayer de promouvoir cette +nouvelle marque, parce que ça coûte de l'argent aussi tout ça ? +AN - on commence finalement très petit puisque l'initiative s'est faite en très +peu de temps, on a lancé un appel aux dons qui pour le moment répond +extrêmement bien, on a eu des solutions pour nous permettre d'héberger +l'intégralité de nos infrastructures, et on va essayer de pérenniser ça en +faisant adhérer des entreprises à l'association, et on se rend finalement +compte qu'il y a beaucoup d'utilisateurs qui comprennent le fait que du +logiciel libre ce n'est pas forcément gratuit et que je peux pour supporter la +distribution que préfère mettre un petit peu d'argent tous les mois par +exemple dans la mesure où je sais que cet argent va être utilisé de façon +transparente et en conservant un certain nombre de valeur. On a beaucoup de +retours sur ce point là. +PN - Et ça vous pensez que ça vous permettra de générer suffisamment d'argent +pour éventuellement payer des gens qui vont de façon permanente travailler à +la distribution ? +AN - Dans l'immédiat non au sein de l'association, par contre dans le cadre +d'une structure commerciale qui proposera des services peut être plus +traditionnels là on pourra dégager effectivement des revenus et ces revenus +pourront être éventuellement utilisé pour financer des développements +supplémentaires pour la distribution +PN - Très bonne transition, est ce que vous avez déjà pensé à ce qu'il +faudrait faire évoluer à l'intérieur de Mageia pour que ça continue à répondre +au besoin ? En même temps Mandriva était en difficulté depuis quelques temps ça +manquait donc peut être un peu de développement, est ce que vous avez envie de +faire de nouvelles choses ? +AN - Alors oui, il y a plein de choses, on a envie de faire plein de choses. +Entre autres il y a un énorme point fort, c'est le centre de contrôle, le +centre de configuration de Linux et aujourd'hui c'est le faire évoluer, le +rajeunir parce que c'est vrai qu'il est un petit peu vieillissant et puis +pourquoi pas s'orienter vers des architectures qui sont de plus en plus +utilisés comme les tablettes par exemple, et puis s'orienter aussi vers +l'ouverture, vers des services comme le cloud, etc., donc tout ça ce sont des +orientations qu'on va définir dans les semaines à venir. +PN - Vous avez avoir un vrai fonctionnement associatif, participatif ? +AN - tout à fait, +PN - vous allez vous réunir de manière régulière ? +AN - Alors des réunions un petit peu particulière puisqu'elles seront +virtuelles parce que la communauté de Mageia est internationale, c'est à dire +que c'est beaucoup en Europe, en Amérique du Sud, donc dans ces cas là on ne +peut pas faire de vraies réunions, il n'empêche que ce sont des gens qui sont +habitués à travailler de cette manière là, distante, donc oui on aura des +réunions, aussi par groupe d'intérêt, on aura un board pour gérer +l'association, pour prendre la décision stratégique, oui surtout beaucoup de +communication, sans doute ce qu'il nous a manqué. +PN - Parfait, on espère avoir apporter notre petite contribution, bonne chance +dans ce projet +AN - merci +PN - on va continuer d'ailleurs si on envie d'en savoir plus le site c'est +AN - mageia.org +PN - Anne Nicolas merci beaucoup +AN - Merci + +If i am couragous, i will do an English translation + + +-- +Olivier Méjean +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +twitter : obagoom +identi.ca : goom +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002846.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2845">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2845">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2845">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2845">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002846.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002846.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..03c29a26b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002846.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interview%20de%20Anne%20Nicolas%20pour%20Mageia%20%5Bfrench%5D&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1011021847470.19113-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Tell us a little bit what happened +and what made you want to create this Mageia fork. +AN - This fork Mageia came a whole lot of uncertainties that reside in +Mandriva, I was myself employed by a subsidiary of Mandriva. It was felt +there had been 12 years of tremendous work performed on this distribution and +need to sustain this effort and we wanted to abstract from the presence +a company that had high and low economic level and we +decided to fork, ie resume distribution Mandriva Linux +one point from a copy simply because the license allows +and assembling a new project from there and only Community +within an association and the project is called Mageia +PN - so it's very fashionable because ultimately what you have done +people from the MySQL community did at the time of acquisition by Oracle, they +accepted the takeover by Sun, they have not accepted the takeover by Oracle, +we +learned yesterday that the OpenOffice community was doing the same thing +too because they do not agree with the direction of Oracle +So finally for those who do not know where all these terms, a +Forking is that you can resume the original source code +and create for the moment exactly the same thing, a true copy +? +AN - altogether, it does not reinvent the wheel, since I +mentioned earlier, we believe many technology integrated with +Mandriva Linux, we think it's really a strong point, but +it would work differently in the development of future +distribution +PN-Mageia So it'll be a 1901 association therefore non-profit? +AN - quite, +PN - built around the community, developers in fact, it is +community developers who are members of the association? +AN - then the members of the association will overlap with the full scope of +that affect people directly or indirectly to a distribution. It will be +developers, people who are packaging software, testers +translators, but also because today what users +The strength of a distribution is the ability of its community +users to promote the distribution so they have a +part quite predominant and essential in the association. +PN - So it begs the question why an association. You think +today is the best way to work together on a project +like this? +NA - found that the values of freedom today are that it can be +a little demanding on the necessity of sharing the sustainability of the +software, +etc.. and given the history and challenges of the time +Mandriva has been estimated that a community project was more appropriate and +the association is only there to regulate the use of resources +organization, so yes there is a community project but +organized in a lasting way. +PN - At the same time we must live, you were employed by a company that +working on Mandriva, you may have wanted to find a job and +back wages +AN - yes it would be nice +PN - it must be that all that great, how is what generates the income +fully associative structure? +AN - then the association is one thing, it produces a product that +Mageia which is called a distribution, we can consider a perfectly +commercial structure that will act in the periphery of the association and +will +based on the distribution called Mageia and will offer a whole +lots of service as support, consulting, development, thereby +help the company take this product has tremendous community +strength and integrate it into its array of solutions it may have. +PN - So now you're faced with a number of needs +urgent first need we will try to answer them all is to make +a bit of noise around Mageia because nobody knows. +AN - Nobody knows the outdoors in the little world of open source +I admit that we were very pleasantly surprised by the return because not +Mandriva only the present community has reacted to the announcement and +acceded but also because people using Mandrake at the time and +returning because he believes it is a little more to their +expectation that they and their vision of an open source distribution +PN - Be careful what is called the navel syndrome which +that people who know you and you know how difficult it is to +ensure that those who do not know you have the reflex to go +see Mageia rather because he must say things very clear shot of you +become a little competition from Mandriva? +AN-quite +PN - How is what you do to try to promote this +new brand, because it costs money as all that? +AN - is finally starting very small since the initiative was made very +short time, we launched an appeal for donations which currently meets +extremely well, we had solutions to enable us to host +our entire infrastructure, and we will try to sustain it in +companies adhering to the association, and finally it becomes +account that there are many users who understand that the +Free software is not necessarily free and that I can to support the +distribution rather than put a little money every month by +example since I know that this money will be used so +transparent and maintaining a number of value. We have many +returns on that front. +PN - And do you think that you will generate enough money +eventually pay people who will permanently work +distribution? +NA - Immediate not within the Association, cons in +a business structure that offer services can be more +Traditional here we can actually generate income and that income +may possibly be used to fund developments +additional distribution +PN - Very good transition, is what you have already thought about it +should evolve within Mageia that it continues to meet +required? At the same time Mandriva was in trouble for some time that +therefore may be missing a bit of development, is what you want +do new things? +AN - So yes, there are plenty of things we want to do lots of things. +Among others there is a huge strength is the control center, the +Linux Control Center and now it's to change the +rejuvenate because it's true that it is a little older and then +Why not move towards architectures that are increasingly +used as shelves for example, and can also switch to +openness to services like cloud, etc.. so all that they are +guidelines that will define in the coming weeks. +PN - You have a real functioning associations, participatory? +AN - quite, +PN - you will meet regularly? +AN - While meeting a little bit special as they will +because the virtual community Mageia is international, ie +it's a lot in Europe, South America, so in these cases we do +can not do real meetings, the fact remains that these are people who are +accustomed to working in that way, remote, so yes it will +meetings, as each interest group, we will have a board to manage +the association to make a strategic decision, especially so many +communication, perhaps what we missed. +PN - Okay, we hope to have made our small contribution, good luck +in this project +AN - thank you +PN - we will continue elsewhere if we want to know more the website is +AN - mageia.org +PN - thank you very much Anne Nicolas +AN - Thanks +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002846.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2848">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2848">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2848">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2848">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002849.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002849.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..52f9d0410 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002849.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C20101102211707.GA3477%40maude.comedia.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002844.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002851.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Luca Berra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C20101102211707.GA3477%40maude.comedia.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">bluca at vodka.it + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 22:17:07 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2849">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2849">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2849">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2849">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 02:04:48PM +0000, André Machado wrote: +><i>Let's not forget that a new ISO each month will require more disk +</I>><i>space on server! +</I> +i still think that using something like jigdo[1] to provide iso files would +be a great bonus to all users. + +[1] <A HREF="http://atterer.org/jigdo">http://atterer.org/jigdo</A> + +-- +Luca Berra -- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bluca at vodka.it</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2849">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2849">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2849">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2849">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002850.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002850.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3dd92d5c5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002850.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinURqv%3DPam%3D3mv%2BJimo%3D5X0m3MaCP-fyf3-6roF%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002851.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002852.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinURqv%3DPam%3D3mv%2BJimo%3D5X0m3MaCP-fyf3-6roF%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 22:44:50 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2850">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2850">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2850">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2850">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/11/2 Luca Berra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bluca at vodka.it</A>>: +><i> On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 02:04:48PM +0000, André Machado wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Let's not forget that a new ISO each month will require more disk +</I>>><i> space on server! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i still think that using something like jigdo[1] to provide iso files would +</I>><i> be a great bonus to all users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://atterer.org/jigdo">http://atterer.org/jigdo</A> +</I> +Website says: +"This software is now in maintenance mode, development has stopped. +Unfortunately, this means that various parts (in particular the GUI +download tool) will remain unfinished." + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2850">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2850">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2850">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2850">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002851.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002851.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..28a126711 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002851.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD08576.8090508%40whitby-jr.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002849.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002850.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Jim Whitby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C4CD08576.8090508%40whitby-jr.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">jim at whitby-jr.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 22:41:10 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2851">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2851">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2851">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2851">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> On 11/02/2010 05:17 PM, Luca Berra wrote: +><i> On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 02:04:48PM +0000, André Machado wrote: +</I>>><i> Let's not forget that a new ISO each month will require more disk +</I>>><i> space on server! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i still think that using something like jigdo[1] to provide iso files +</I>><i> would +</I>><i> be a great bonus to all users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://atterer.org/jigdo">http://atterer.org/jigdo</A> +</I>><i> +</I> From the website: + +*This software is now in "maintenance mode"*, development has stopped. +Unfortunately, this means that various parts (in particular the GUI +download tool) will remain unfinished. + +-- +The trouble with eating Italian food is that five or six days later +you're hungry again. + -- George Miller +---------------------- +Mandriva Linux release 2010.1 (Official) for x86_64 +2.6.33.7-desktop-2mnb x86_64 +---------------------- + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2851">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2851">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2851">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2851">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002852.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002852.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..84f36cf67 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002852.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C20101102222648.GD3477%40maude.comedia.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002850.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002854.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO</H1> + <B>Luca Berra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions%20for%20the%20ISO&In-Reply-To=%3C20101102222648.GD3477%40maude.comedia.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO">bluca at vodka.it + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 23:26:48 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2852">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2852">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2852">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2852">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 10:44:50PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i>2010/11/2 Luca Berra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bluca at vodka.it</A>>: +</I>>><i> On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 02:04:48PM +0000, André Machado wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Let's not forget that a new ISO each month will require more disk +</I>>>><i> space on server! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> i still think that using something like jigdo[1] to provide iso files would +</I>>><i> be a great bonus to all users. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://atterer.org/jigdo">http://atterer.org/jigdo</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i>Website says: +</I>><i>"This software is now in maintenance mode, development has stopped. +</I>><i>Unfortunately, this means that various parts (in particular the GUI +</I>><i>download tool) will remain unfinished." +</I> +then redhat must be crazy to use it to provide isos for fedora13 ?!? +and debian and ubuntu as well... + +last time i tried jigdo-file was working correctly, and if no new +features will be implemented i do not care much, as long as the software +will remain functional. + +L. +-- +Luca Berra -- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bluca at vodka.it</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2852">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2852">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2852">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2852">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002853.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002853.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..639b81dcf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/002853.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interview%20de%20Anne%20Nicolas%20pour%20Mageia%20%5Bfrench%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C11a132868ab2e4a589b1201b428e07b5%4094.165.225.70%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002847.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]</H1> + <B>Fabio.bronzini</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Interview%20de%20Anne%20Nicolas%20pour%20Mageia%20%5Bfrench%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C11a132868ab2e4a589b1201b428e07b5%4094.165.225.70%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]">fabio.bronzini at email.it + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Nov 2 23:42:07 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2853">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2853">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2853">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2853">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Bonjour, + +i will translate in italian from french (if somebody is interested in +Italy), i'm a freelance IT writer, i collaborate with various italian +magazine (e.g. Gnu-Linux Magazine, Computer Programming) and web portals +(Consulenti ICT Italia). + +I hope you'll be able to read it very soon, I'm available to promote and +help Mageia Linux in Italy. + +Sincerely + +Fabio Bronzini + +giornalinux.blogspot.com +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabio.bronzini at email.it</A> + + + -- + Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP +autenticato? 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I only think that we should not start with something which +seems to have neither a future nor an active maintainer for security +fixes. + +It's not the features (although a "GUI remains unfinished" is not a +good ad), it's the security fixes I care about. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2854">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2854">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2854">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2854">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/author.html new 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for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2849"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2852"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002827.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2827"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002831.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2831"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2850"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2854"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002825.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2825"> </A> +<I>Cazzaniga-Sandro +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002853.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2853"> </A> +<I>Fabio.bronzini +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2847"> </A> +<I>Tomasz Paweł Gajc +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2837"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2828"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002830.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2830"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2832"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2833"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2843"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2845"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A 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+<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2847"> </A> +<I>Tomasz Paweł Gajc +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2848"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2849"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2851"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2850"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2852"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002853.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2853"> </A> +<I>Fabio.bronzini +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO 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<b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Nov 2 23:49:44 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 34<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002823.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2823"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2837"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2839"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2840"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2845"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002846.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2846"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2847"> </A> +<I>Tomasz Paweł Gajc +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2848"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002853.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2853"> </A> +<I>Fabio.bronzini +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002824.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2824"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002825.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2825"> </A> +<I>Cazzaniga-Sandro +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002826.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2826"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002827.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2827"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002829.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2829"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002830.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2830"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002831.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2831"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002835.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2835"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002836.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2836"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002838.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2838"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2821"> </A> +<I>herman +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2822"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2828"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2832"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2833"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2834"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2841"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002842.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2842"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2843"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2844"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2849"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2851"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2850"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2852"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2854"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Nov 2 23:49:44 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Nov 2 23:49:48 CET 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101102/thread.html new file mode 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HREF="002821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2821"> </A> +<I>herman +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288675113-01288699316- --> +<LI><A HREF="002833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2833"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<!--1 01288675113-01288704439- --> +<LI><A HREF="002841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2841"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288675113-01288704439-01288706688- --> +<LI><A HREF="002843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2843"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01288675113-01288704439-01288706688-01288709511- --> +<LI><A HREF="002844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2844"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01288675113-01288704439-01288706688-01288732627- --> +<LI><A HREF="002849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2849"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<!--3 01288675113-01288704439-01288706688-01288732627-01288734070- --> +<LI><A HREF="002851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2851"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<!--3 01288675113-01288704439-01288706688-01288732627-01288734290- --> +<LI><A HREF="002850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2850"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01288675113-01288704439-01288706688-01288732627-01288734290-01288736808- --> +<LI><A HREF="002852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2852"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<!--3 01288675113-01288704439-01288706688-01288732627-01288734290-01288736808-01288738184- --> +<LI><A HREF="002854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2854"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288676956- --> +<LI><A HREF="002822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2822"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288676956-01288695657- --> +<LI><A HREF="002828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2828"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288676956-01288695657-01288698745- --> +<LI><A HREF="002832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2832"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<!--2 01288676956-01288695657-01288699334- --> +<LI><A HREF="002834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2834"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01288676956-01288695657-01288699334-01288704804- --> +<LI><A HREF="002842.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO +</A><A NAME="2842"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288677878- --> +<LI><A HREF="002823.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] KDE 4.5.2 for Mandrive +</A><A NAME="2823"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--0 01288686016- --> +<LI><A HREF="002824.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2824"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288686016-01288686765- --> +<LI><A HREF="002825.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2825"> </A> +<I>Cazzaniga-Sandro +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288686016-01288686765-01288688213- --> +<LI><A HREF="002826.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2826"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01288686016-01288686765-01288688213-01288691812- --> +<LI><A HREF="002827.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2827"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01288686016-01288686765-01288688213-01288691812-01288695894- --> +<LI><A HREF="002829.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2829"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--3 01288686016-01288686765-01288688213-01288691812-01288695894-01288696988- --> +<LI><A HREF="002831.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2831"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01288686016-01288686765-01288688213-01288691812-01288695894-01288696988-01288699538- --> +<LI><A HREF="002835.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2835"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01288686016-01288696974- --> +<LI><A HREF="002830.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2830"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--1 01288686016-01288699997- --> +<LI><A HREF="002836.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2836"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288686016-01288699997-01288700796- --> +<LI><A HREF="002838.html">[Mageia-discuss] ISO 0 specification +</A><A NAME="2838"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288700609- --> +<LI><A HREF="002837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2837"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288700609-01288701203- --> +<LI><A HREF="002839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2839"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288700609-01288701203-01288702194- --> +<LI><A HREF="002840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2840"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--2 01288700609-01288701203-01288718385- --> +<LI><A HREF="002845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2845"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01288700609-01288701203-01288718385-01288720277- --> +<LI><A HREF="002846.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2846"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01288700609-01288701203-01288718385-01288722492- --> +<LI><A HREF="002848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2848"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01288700609-01288722138- --> +<LI><A HREF="002847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2847"> </A> +<I>Tomasz Paweł Gajc +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01288737727- --> +<LI><A HREF="002853.html">[Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french] +</A><A NAME="2853"> </A> +<I>Fabio.bronzini +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Nov 2 23:49:44 CET 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Nov 2 23:49:48 CET 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |