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Because with such a "solution" the +</I>><i> programs would be always wrapped, even if you never do a rollback. +</I>><i> How would such script detect that it actually was a rollback and it should +</I>><i> do his magic on the config files. +</I>><i> +</I> +The wrapper script would be specific to the package version which +provided it. If it finds a saved config file with a name matching its +own version, it restores it and deletes the saved one. If it doesn't, +it does nothing. + +><i> What would happen if the user did not run that program between the update +</I>><i> and the rollback? +</I>><i> +</I> +Nothing, because the new wrapper script would never have been executed +to save a previous version, so the restored old wrapper script would not +find anything to restore. + + + +><i> It seems the complexity is not worth the benefit, and those scripts are +</I>><i> likely to not be well tested and might make things worse if things are not +</I>><i> like they expected. +</I>><i> +</I> +That's a pretty broad statement, especially considering the complexity +of some of the wrapper scripts we already have. This is not that +complex, and the benefit of finding a solution is considerable, based on +the previous posts/relies in this thread. + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1161">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1161">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1161">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1161">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001162.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001162.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..57b600900 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001162.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101013225952.bad5eb73.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001171.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001163.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101013225952.bad5eb73.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 05:59:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1162">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1162">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1162">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1162">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:20:40 -0400 +Sinner from the Prairy <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> Fernando Parra wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > (Finally, it would not be as strict versions of certain components. If, +</I>><i> > for example morning out mageia 2010 (for instance) and the day after +</I>><i> > Firefox 4.0 comes out, you do not run the 3.6.x version with all the +</I>><i> > time,) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's very clear, these users are trying to say: "We want a different +</I>><i> > model, but we want a stable distro" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As we have been saying over and over again, this only indicates zero +</I>><i> knowledge of backports repositories. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We should publicize more Backports. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salut, +</I>><i> Sinner +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +And I shall reply over and over again, backports isn't a solution, maybe it's a technical solution, but it isn't The Solution. + +The end users need to do less than now for to get new versions of their favourites applications. + +Mageia needs to offer more than other distros, much more, in a different way. If we aren't to be able to make a completely new concept, we are in a serious risk to become in other distro at that sea called GNU / Linux. +-- +Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1162">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1162">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1162">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1162">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001163.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001163.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9ffaf4551 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001163.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C466.4cb6850e%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001162.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001164.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C466.4cb6850e%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 06:20:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1163">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1163">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1163">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1163">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Fernando Parra wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 05:59 +><i> +</I>><i> Sinner from the Prairy wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We should publicize more Backports. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And I shall reply over and over again, backports isn't a +</I>><i> solution, maybe it's a technical solution, but it isn't +</I>><i> The Solution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The end users need to do less than now for to get new versions +</I>><i> of their favourites applications. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia needs to offer more than other distros, much more, in a +</I>><i> different way. If we aren't to be able to make a completely new +</I>><i> concept, we are in a serious risk to become in other distro at +</I>><i> that sea called GNU / Linux. +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</I> +I agree with what Fernando says, if we could agree on a release cycle that +is half way between the fixed release cycle of Mandriva/Ubuntu/Fedora/Suse +and the rolling release cycle of PClinuxOS/Gentoo, then Mageia would +attract a lot of interest in the Linux world do to it offering something +new and compelling rather than the same as everyone else. + +The results of the poll on mandrivauser.de seem to indicate a strong wish +in this direction too, almost half of the voters voted for an annual +release cycle with a partial rolling release cycle, i.e. exactly what was +suggested in this thread earlier, a stable core updated once a year (apart +from security and bug fixes) with new app versions made available during +the whole year. + +<A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=29694">http://www.mandrivauser.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=29694</A> + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1163">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1163">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1163">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1163">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001164.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001164.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..042f06da3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001164.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci961v7%24hlu%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001163.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001170.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci961v7%24hlu%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 06:46:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001170.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1164">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1164">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1164">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1164">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-14 00:20, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Fernando Parra wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 05:59 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Sinner from the Prairy wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> We should publicize more Backports. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And I shall reply over and over again, backports isn't a +</I>>><i> solution, maybe it's a technical solution, but it isn't +</I>>><i> The Solution. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The end users need to do less than now for to get new versions +</I>>><i> of their favourites applications. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Mageia needs to offer more than other distros, much more, in a +</I>>><i> different way. If we aren't to be able to make a completely new +</I>>><i> concept, we are in a serious risk to become in other distro at +</I>>><i> that sea called GNU / Linux. +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Fernando Parra<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree with what Fernando says, if we could agree on a release cycle that +</I>><i> is half way between the fixed release cycle of Mandriva/Ubuntu/Fedora/Suse +</I>><i> and the rolling release cycle of PClinuxOS/Gentoo, then Mageia would +</I>><i> attract a lot of interest in the Linux world do to it offering something +</I>><i> new and compelling rather than the same as everyone else. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The results of the poll on mandrivauser.de seem to indicate a strong wish +</I>><i> in this direction too, almost half of the voters voted for an annual +</I>><i> release cycle with a partial rolling release cycle, i.e. exactly what was +</I>><i> suggested in this thread earlier, a stable core updated once a year (apart +</I>><i> from security and bug fixes) with new app versions made available during +</I>><i> the whole year. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=29694">http://www.mandrivauser.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=29694</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +Thanks for posting the site Tux99. There was talk of more user groups +doing the poll/survey. Does anyone know if this is being done? Great +data for the devs to consider. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001170.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1164">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1164">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1164">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1164">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001165.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001165.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f840bef43 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001165.html @@ -0,0 +1,131 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C650b49beb8376d916b42d8c36a4ba28e.squirrel%40mail.onse.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001198.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001166.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C650b49beb8376d916b42d8c36a4ba28e.squirrel%40mail.onse.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 10:07:04 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1165">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1165">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1165">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1165">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Michael Scherer kirjoitti: +><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>>><i> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>><i> > > > == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>>><i> > > +</I>>><i> > > What's in etc ? +</I>>><i> > > However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>>><i> > > Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted +</I>>><i> that +</I>>><i> > > the law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the +</I>>><i> exception +</I>>><i> > > of circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other +</I>>><i> words +</I>>><i> > > the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>>><i> > > So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>>><i> > > interoperability +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It's their own responsability, no one force them, and some in the world +</I>>><i> take +</I>>><i> the responsability to host mirrors with questionnable software. Let's +</I>>><i> give +</I>>><i> them the liberty to choose as we have the opportunity here in France to +</I>>><i> ship +</I>>><i> such software. No one forces several company, university, or other +</I>>><i> groups to +</I>>><i> mirror ArchLinux, PCLinuxOS, LinuxMint, PLF +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace +</I>><i> ibiblio.org ? +</I> +Well, ibiblio.org contains other distros that contain patented software +(like arch and debian), and dvdcss (arch), and more than likely many +others: +<A HREF="ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/">ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/</A> + +(note: I'm still not suggesting having or not having such software, just +noting this fact) + +-- +Anssi Hannula + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1165">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1165">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1165">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1165">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001166.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001166.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b7a361b05 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001166.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010141134.30955.anssi.hannula%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001165.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001168.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010141134.30955.anssi.hannula%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 10:34:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1166">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1166">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1166">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1166">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Anssi Hannula kirjoitti torstai, 14. lokakuuta 2010 11:07:04: +><i> Michael Scherer kirjoitti: +</I>><i> > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> >> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> >> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> >> > > > == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> >> > > +</I>><i> >> > > What's in etc ? +</I>><i> >> > > However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>><i> >> > > Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> that +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> > > the law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> exception +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> > > of circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> words +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> > > the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> >> > > So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>><i> >> > > interoperability +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> > And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> It's their own responsability, no one force them, and some in the world +</I>><i> >> take +</I>><i> >> the responsability to host mirrors with questionnable software. Let's +</I>><i> >> give +</I>><i> >> them the liberty to choose as we have the opportunity here in France to +</I>><i> >> ship +</I>><i> >> such software. No one forces several company, university, or other +</I>><i> >> groups to +</I>><i> >> mirror ArchLinux, PCLinuxOS, LinuxMint, PLF +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace +</I>><i> > ibiblio.org ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, ibiblio.org contains other distros that contain patented software +</I>><i> (like arch and debian), and dvdcss (arch), and more than likely many +</I>><i> others: +</I>><i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/">ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/</A> +</I> +Oops, didn't notice the above posts were about DRM only, not patents... +anyway, ibiblio contains such distros as well. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1166">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1166">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1166">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1166">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001167.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001167.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d0958d729 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001167.html @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201010140944.39609.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001169.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001208.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201010140944.39609.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 10:44:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1167">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1167">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1167">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1167">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Saturday, 9 October 2010 10:10:36 Renaud MICHEL wrote: +><i> On samedi 09 octobre 2010 at 05:45, andré wrote : +</I>><i> > Note that configuration files that have been changed from the +</I>><i> > installation default are often already saved. (Generally ".old" is +</I>><i> > appended to the configuration file name, sometimes ".new" to the new +</I>><i> > configuration file.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But here you are only talking about system-wide configuration files, which +</I>><i> are known of rpm as they are part of the package and marked as config +</I>><i> files. But what about user specific configuration files? +</I>><i> For the easy kind, where a program will have a single configuration file +</I>><i> (or dedicated directory), a pre-inst script could find it in the home of +</I>><i> each users and backup them. But you have cases of programs which have +</I>><i> configuration scattered in multiple shared directories (like KDE), or even +</I>><i> non-deterministic configuration files and it can become very tricky to find +</I>><i> all the files to backup. +</I> +A snapshot-based solution (e.g. on btrfs) would mean you don't have to "find +all the files". + +><i> And you have the really hard kind, where the same configuration file may be +</I>><i> shared by different packages. For example, plasma applet configurations are +</I>><i> stored in a few ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma* files. +</I> +Well, now the problem is to snapshot multiple filesystems. I am not sure if +this is easy with btrfs and subvolumes. + +But, IMHO, the software in question should ideally be able to handle upgrade +*and* downgrade, otherwise environments with shared home directories would +have to be *very* careful about keeping *all* software on *all* machines +exactly in step. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1167">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1167">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1167">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1167">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001168.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001168.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..284cda641 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001168.html @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014094733.B2F707F004%40omenapuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001166.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001169.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014094733.B2F707F004%40omenapuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 11:47:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1168">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1168">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1168">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1168">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday 14 October 2010 11:34:30 Anssi Hannula wrote: +><i> Anssi Hannula kirjoitti torstai, 14. lokakuuta 2010 11:07:04: +</I>><i> > Michael Scherer kirjoitti: +</I>><i> > > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> > >> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> > >> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> > >> > > the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> > >> > > So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools +</I>><i> > >> > > for +</I>><i> > >> > > interoperability +</I>><i> > >> > +</I>><i> > >> > And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? +</I>><i> > >> +</I>><i> > >> It's their own responsability, no one force them, and some in the +</I>><i> > >> world take +</I>><i> > >> the responsability to host mirrors with questionnable software. +</I>><i> > >> Let's +</I>><i> > >> give +</I>><i> > >> them the liberty to choose as we have the opportunity here in +</I>><i> > >> France to ship +</I>><i> > >> such software. No one forces several company, university, or other +</I>><i> > >> groups to +</I>><i> > >> mirror ArchLinux, PCLinuxOS, LinuxMint, PLF +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to +</I>><i> > > replace +</I>><i> > > ibiblio.org ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Well, ibiblio.org contains other distros that contain patented software +</I>><i> > (like arch and debian), and dvdcss (arch), and more than likely many +</I>><i> > others: +</I>><i> > <A HREF="ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/">ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oops, didn't notice the above posts were about DRM only, not patents... +</I>><i> anyway, ibiblio contains such distros as well. +</I> +BTW, according to 17 U.S.C. Sec. 1201(f) circumvention of protection measures +is allowed if it is necessary to achieve interoperability with other software. + +Of course, this may not apply to CSS... + +-- +Anssi Hannula + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1168">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1168">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1168">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1168">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001169.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001169.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..63956d2fd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001169.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010141202210.18238-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001168.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001167.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010141202210.18238-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 12:06:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1169">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1169">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1169">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1169">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Anssi Hannula wrote: + +><i> > Oops, didn't notice the above posts were about DRM only, not patents... +</I>><i> > anyway, ibiblio contains such distros as well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW, according to 17 U.S.C. Sec. 1201(f) circumvention of protection measures +</I>><i> is allowed if it is necessary to achieve interoperability with other software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course, this may not apply to CSS... +</I> +I don't know if you read the following article, but it looks like even +in the US the laws are actually much less strict now, than people seem +to think: + +<A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/billington-opens-new-dmca-loopholes/6942">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/billington-opens-new-dmca-loopholes/6942</A> + +I'd say this is another strong argument towards including libdvdcss +on the CD/DVD of the Mageia distro. + +(Regardless of my opinion that we should only care about French law +anyway) + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1169">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1169">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1169">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1169">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001170.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001170.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..905273716 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001170.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci96vc7%24cr1%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001164.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001174.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci96vc7%24cr1%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 15:08:23 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1170">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1170">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1170">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1170">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré wrote: + +><i> Thanks for posting the site Tux99. There was talk of more user groups +</I>><i> doing the poll/survey. Does anyone know if this is being done? Great +</I>><i> data for the devs to consider. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +This in the Spanish-speaking Mandriva community BlogDrake: + + +<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/encuesta/que-tipo-de-ciclo-de-releases-deberia-tener-">http://blogdrake.net/encuesta/que-tipo-de-ciclo-de-releases-deberia-tener-</A> +mageia + +In case the URL gets cut, here it is shortened with Bit.ly: + + <A HREF="http://bit.ly/am7Ivg">http://bit.ly/am7Ivg</A> + + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1170">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1170">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1170">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1170">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001171.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001171.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dc7983a06 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001171.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3Ci96vgn%24cr1%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001161.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001162.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3Ci96vgn%24cr1%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 15:10:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001161.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1171">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1171">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1171">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1171">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Frank Griffin wrote: + +>><i> Now that's getting very hackish. +</I>>><i> I'd rather not have many programs wrapped in scripts that would do some +</I>>><i> magic on my home dir under the hood. Because with such a "solution" the +</I>>><i> programs would be always wrapped, even if you never do a rollback. +</I>>><i> How would such script detect that it actually was a rollback and it +</I>>><i> should do his magic on the config files. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The wrapper script would be specific to the package version which +</I>><i> provided it. If it finds a saved config file with a name matching its +</I>><i> own version, it restores it and deletes the saved one. If it doesn't, +</I>><i> it does nothing. +</I> +I am still not liking anything messing with users' home + + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001161.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1171">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1171">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1171">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1171">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001172.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001172.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d98a088ef --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001172.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010141427.04267.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001202.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001173.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010141427.04267.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 15:27:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1172">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1172">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1172">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1172">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday, 14 October 2010 04:59:52 Fernando Parra wrote: +><i> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:20:40 -0400 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sinner from the Prairy <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> +</I>wrote: +><i> > Fernando Parra wrote: +</I>><i> > > (Finally, it would not be as strict versions of certain components. If, +</I>><i> > > for example morning out mageia 2010 (for instance) and the day after +</I>><i> > > Firefox 4.0 comes out, you do not run the 3.6.x version with all the +</I>><i> > > time,) +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > That's very clear, these users are trying to say: "We want a different +</I>><i> > > model, but we want a stable distro" +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > As we have been saying over and over again, this only indicates zero +</I>><i> > knowledge of backports repositories. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We should publicize more Backports. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And I shall reply over and over again, backports isn't a solution, maybe +</I>><i> it's a technical solution, but it isn't The Solution. +</I>><i> +</I> +What aspects of the Mandriva backports solution are not satisfactory? + +-The fact that not everything is available as a backport? +-That users don't know how to request a backport? +-That too many backports are available? +-That all users don't get them by default? +-That users doing network installs by default don't get the backport on +initial installation? +-That users aren't aware of backports? +-Something else? + +Please provide some *CONSTRUCTIVE* criticism, or the people who have been +doing the effort of *PROVIDING* the backports, as well as using them, will +probably just write you off as not knowing what is available. + +IMHO, backports is relatively successful. No one who has criticised backports +has provided a valid reason, that takes into account what it *does* provide, +indicating where it fails. + +><i> The end users need to do less than now for to get new versions of their +</I>><i> favourites applications. +</I> +Less than 'urpmi --searchmedia Backports chromium' ? + +Or, should it be more obvious in rpmdrake or similar? How about commenting on +my proposal for UI change in rpmdrake making backports more obvious? + +><i> Mageia needs to offer more than other distros, much more, in a different +</I>><i> way. If we aren't to be able to make a completely new concept, we are in a +</I>><i> serious risk to become in other distro at that sea called GNU / Linux. +</I> +Again, before we can decide what *more* we should do (what significant +resources we need to commit), maybe we should first understand why the +existing features (which have significant effort behind them) are not +resulting in user satisfaction. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1172">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1172">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1172">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1172">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001173.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001173.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bff7dc84e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001173.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+</I> +Yes, backports should be promoted better in drakrpm and in the web site. + +><i> -Something else? +</I> +backports should be supported for security patches and bug fixes just like +the main packages (if not instead of the main packages). +Of course the security patch could be simply provided by backporting a +newer version of the package, no need to make patches for each version. + +><i> > The end users need to do less than now for to get new versions of +</I>><i> > their +</I>><i> > favourites applications. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Less than 'urpmi --searchmedia Backports chromium' ? +</I> +CLI is not ideal for 'normal' users. + +><i> Or, should it be more obvious in rpmdrake or similar? +</I> +I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that +the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who +DON'T want them can still always disable them. + +Backports shouldn't be second choice, it should be the default, since that +would make Mageia stand out from other distros as being the distro were +users get the latest versions of apps before any other major distro +provides them. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001172.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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There was talk of more user groups +</I>>><i> doing the poll/survey. Does anyone know if this is being done? Great +</I>>><i> data for the devs to consider. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This in the Spanish-speaking Mandriva community BlogDrake: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/encuesta/que-tipo-de-ciclo-de-releases-deberia-tener-">http://blogdrake.net/encuesta/que-tipo-de-ciclo-de-releases-deberia-tener-</A> +</I>><i> mageia +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In case the URL gets cut, here it is shortened with Bit.ly: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://bit.ly/am7Ivg">http://bit.ly/am7Ivg</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salut, +</I>><i> Sinner +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Gracias Sinner: + +Is it me or is the poll different? The overall feeling on the Spanish +Blogdrake is to "like Mandriva a stable system with upgrades and +backports" at 58%. I imagine this means keeping to Mandriva release +cycle with no changes. + +Wouldn't it make sense to have the same poll? I guess, this way we still +get the results of a poll and a sense of the community feeling anyway. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001170.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001176.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1174">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1174">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1174">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1174">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001175.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001175.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7eb5852de --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001175.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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The overall feeling on the Spanish +</I>><i> Blogdrake is to "like Mandriva a stable system with upgrades and +</I>><i> backports" at 58%. I imagine this means keeping to Mandriva release +</I>><i> cycle with no changes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Wouldn't it make sense to have the same poll? I guess, this way we +</I>><i> still +</I>><i> get the results of a poll and a sense of the community feeling anyway. +</I> +I guess the old rule of polls applies: +depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of the +options you can hugely influence the results... + +Personally I think a poll without educating everyone about what exactly +each choice would mean is useless. We first need to elaborate detailed +alternatives before anyone can make an informed choice. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1176">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1176">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1176">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1176">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001177.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001177.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..12d28adee --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001177.html @@ -0,0 +1,148 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikn1RM9SxzQUtdfPimJYmHrBu69RoBn9W_d9wys%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001184.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001178.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikn1RM9SxzQUtdfPimJYmHrBu69RoBn9W_d9wys%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 16:00:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001184.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1177">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1177">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1177">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1177">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 14 October 2010 15:41, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Buchan Milne wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 15:27 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> What aspects of the Mandriva backports solution are not satisfactory? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -The fact that not everything is available as a backport? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, more packages should be available +</I>><i> (and as future packager I will do my part to make that happen) +</I> +Well, backporting a package is a one-liner, so it takes less than +minute to be done; that's not the issue. The issue is that a new +version of package A may need a new version or package B to work, so +package B needs to be backported too; and/or that the new version of A +doesn't work with older libs/kernels, so backporting isn't too much +time consuming for packagers, but making sure that that backport has a +good chance of working(tm) is the bigger burden/responsibility. + +I've seen, too many times, trigger-happy packagers backporting +packages that're not maintained by them (so they know it less than +those package maintainer(s)), breaking those packages and annoying the +maintainers of said packages. It's usually irresponsible to backport a +package without taking that package maintainer's opinion into account. +(an infamous example on that is gwibber being backported to 2010.1). + +><i> +</I>>><i> -That users don't know how to request a backport? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It certainly could help publicizing backports and giving the user an easy +</I>><i> way to request specific packages +</I> +New users who frequented the forums always got to know what backports +are pretty fast. And bugzilla is the perfect system for asking for a +backport, that worked pretty good. + +[...] + +>><i> -That users aren't aware of backports? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, backports should be promoted better in drakrpm and in the web site. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> -Something else? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> backports should be supported for security patches and bug fixes just like +</I>><i> the main packages (if not instead of the main packages). +</I>><i> Of course the security patch could be simply provided by backporting a +</I>><i> newer version of the package, no need to make patches for each version. +</I>><i> +</I> +That's they way backports has always worked, no specific patches, just +the latest cooker package pushed to backports "as is with no official +support", that's reasonable, packagers shouldn't promise to support +backports when they can't due to various reasons (time, effort.. etc). + +>><i> > The end users need to do less than now for to get new versions of +</I>>><i> > their +</I>>><i> > favourites applications. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Less than 'urpmi --searchmedia Backports chromium' ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> CLI is not ideal for 'normal' users. +</I>><i> +</I> +rpmdrake has a "Backports" filter that shows packages from backports +repos, that's easy to use even for new users. + +>><i> Or, should it be more obvious in rpmdrake or similar? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that +</I>><i> the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who +</I>><i> DON'T want them can still always disable them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Backports shouldn't be second choice, it should be the default, since that +</I>><i> would make Mageia stand out from other distros as being the distro were +</I>><i> users get the latest versions of apps before any other major distro +</I>><i> provides them. +</I>><i> +</I> +Enabling them by default defies the purpose of having backports at +all; it's not for new users, it's more for slightly experienced users +or power users who want the latest versions of apps. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001184.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1177">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1177">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1177">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1177">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001178.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001178.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7d6ebfb08 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001178.html @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C48e.4cb71033%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001177.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001179.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C48e.4cb71033%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 16:14:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1178">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1178">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1178">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1178">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00 +><i> +</I>><i> I've seen, too many times, trigger-happy packagers backporting +</I>><i> packages that're not maintained by them (so they know it less than +</I>><i> those package maintainer(s)), breaking those packages and annoying the +</I>><i> maintainers of said packages. It's usually irresponsible to backport a +</I>><i> package without taking that package maintainer's opinion into account. +</I>><i> (an infamous example on that is gwibber being backported to 2010.1). +</I> +I agree it should be preferably the maintainer doing the backport, or he +should at least be consulted. + +><i> New users who frequented the forums always got to know what backports +</I>><i> are pretty fast. And bugzilla is the perfect system for asking for a +</I>><i> backport, that worked pretty good. +</I> +The wast majority of 'normal' users never uses the forum. +Backports shouldn't be something that only users who frequent the forum +find out about. + +><i> That's they way backports has always worked, no specific patches, just +</I>><i> the latest cooker package pushed to backports "as is with no official +</I>><i> support", that's reasonable, packagers shouldn't promise to support +</I>><i> backports when they can't due to various reasons (time, effort.. etc). +</I> +But IMHO that should change in Mageia, we should promise support by the way +of timely updates, especially when security issues are present. + +><i> > Backports shouldn't be second choice, it should be the default, +</I>><i> > since that +</I>><i> > would make Mageia stand out from other distros as being the distro +</I>><i> > were +</I>><i> > users get the latest versions of apps before any other major +</I>><i> > distro +</I>><i> > provides them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Enabling them by default defies the purpose of having backports at +</I>><i> all; it's not for new users, it's more for slightly experienced users +</I>><i> or power users who want the latest versions of apps. +</I> +That's exactly the crucial bit that IMHO needs to change, backports are +very interesting for 'normal' users so we should make sure normal users +can use them. +Don't you see how attractive it is especially for 'normal' users to have +access to the latest versions all the time? 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+</I>><i> Sure, not everyone wants them, but by integrating the skip.list in the +</I>><i> update GUI we could keep 'conservative' users happy too. +</I>><i> +</I> +Then you're not talking about new users any more... + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001180.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1179">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1179">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1179">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1179">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001180.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001180.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4034e0ca6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001180.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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The overall feeling on the Spanish +</I>>><i> Blogdrake is to "like Mandriva a stable system with upgrades and +</I>>><i> backports" at 58%. I imagine this means keeping to Mandriva release +</I>>><i> cycle with no changes. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Wouldn't it make sense to have the same poll? I guess, this way we +</I>>><i> still +</I>>><i> get the results of a poll and a sense of the community feeling anyway. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess the old rule of polls applies: +</I>><i> depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of the +</I>><i> options you can hugely influence the results... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally I think a poll without educating everyone about what exactly +</I>><i> each choice would mean is useless. We first need to elaborate detailed +</I>><i> alternatives before anyone can make an informed choice. +</I>><i> +</I> +I agree. However, I would view these polls as both a way to inform +people and a short measure of what the community members think at this +point. It does hold a little value. I am not sure if we all really +understand the meaning behind "rolling distro", but the polls still do +give a little value at this point in time. + +If we are going to poll communities, the community leaders should really +get together and decide on the process and questions so that the +information collected is valuable. But Ok, this way we still get a +little data to look at. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001176.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1182">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1182">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1182">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1182">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001183.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001183.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ca104cf36 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001183.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Someone should make a note of it. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001175.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1184">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1184">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1184">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1184">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001185.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001185.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7c8e10ef3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001185.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci974m9%246av%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001183.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001204.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci974m9%246av%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 16:39:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001183.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1185">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1185">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1185">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1185">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-14 10:29, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> Does anyone take notes to summarize and make a consistent proposal (be +</I>><i> it in some way or the other) of what should be done, as well as +</I>><i> defining some sort of personas for users (unaware, new, occasional, +</I>><i> frequent, expert) for evaluation? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I> +That was what I was wondering. These discussions are only fruitful if +someone is taking notes. Sometimes the threads are too "fast and +furious" and notes/proposals are not even considered. + +We should try to organize these discussions a little better to be more +productive. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001183.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1185">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1185">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1185">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1185">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001186.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001186.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..54de7db59 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001186.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9750c%248a6%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001204.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001187.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9750c%248a6%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 16:44:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1186">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1186">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1186">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1186">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Tux99 wrote: +><i> Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 16:00 +</I> +>><i> Enabling them by default defies the purpose of having backports at +</I>>><i> all; it's not for new users, it's more for slightly experienced users +</I>>><i> or power users who want the latest versions of apps. +</I> +><i> That's exactly the crucial bit that IMHO needs to change, backports are +</I>><i> very interesting for 'normal' users so we should make sure normal users +</I>><i> can use them. +</I> +I believe you are both right: + +* backports are for power users +* Mandriva/Mageia are power users [*] + +[*] 1. they chose Linux. 2. They chose a "Not Ubuntu" distro + + +So, what about? + +1. Changing name of backports to something more dscriptive +2. Making backports part of official repos +3. NOT activating backports repo by default. + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1186">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1186">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1186">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1186">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001187.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001187.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8521830fb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001187.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014145039.GZ21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001186.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001189.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014145039.GZ21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 16:50:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that +</I>><i> the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who +</I>><i> DON'T want them can still always disable them. +</I> +If backports repository is enabled by default, it should be stable. How +do you garantee that backports will never break ? + +><i> Backports shouldn't be second choice, it should be the default, since that +</I>><i> would make Mageia stand out from other distros as being the distro were +</I>><i> users get the latest versions of apps before any other major distro +</I>><i> provides them. +</I> +Just providing the latest version of apps is not enough to "stand out +from other distros". All distros could do it, and they usually already +do it in their developement version. But the problem is always the same: +adding new versions create instability. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001188.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001188.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5d69d83cb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001188.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci975no%24djl%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001182.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001197.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci975no%24djl%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 16:56:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1188">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1188">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1188">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1188">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Tux99 wrote: + +><i> I guess the old rule of polls applies: +</I>><i> depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of +</I>><i> the options you can hugely influence the results... +</I> +This is so true. + +I follow the politics blog FiveThirtyEight (warning! statistics nerd alert +activated!) and again and again, strange-resulting polls are caused by +poorly formulated questions, "guided" answers or lack of proper options. + +><i> Personally I think a poll without educating everyone about what exactly +</I>><i> each choice would mean is useless. We first need to elaborate detailed +</I>><i> alternatives before anyone can make an informed choice. +</I> +This is mostly what Romain has been asking: someone to provide clear +definitions of what Rolling Release is. And why Backports does not work. + + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1188">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1188">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1188">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1188">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001189.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001189.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f4633e422 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001189.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010141651480.18238-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001187.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001192.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010141651480.18238-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 16:57:38 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1189">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1189">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1189">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1189">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: + +><i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that +</I>><i> > the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who +</I>><i> > DON'T want them can still always disable them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If backports repository is enabled by default, it should be stable. How +</I>><i> do you garantee that backports will never break ? +</I> +Nicolas, please re-read old posts of this thread we discussed this +already, the conclusion was that there are no guarantees in +life. Experience tells us backports don't normally break any more than +the regular security/bugfix updates. + +><i> > Backports shouldn't be second choice, it should be the default, since that +</I>><i> > would make Mageia stand out from other distros as being the distro were +</I>><i> > users get the latest versions of apps before any other major distro +</I>><i> > provides them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just providing the latest version of apps is not enough to "stand out +</I>><i> from other distros". +</I> +I didn't say this should be the ONLY unique feature of Mageia. + +><i> All distros could do it, and they usually already do it in their +</I>><i> developement version. But the problem is always the same: +</I>><i> adding new versions create instability. +</I> +All distros COULD do it but they don't, the dev version doesn't count +as that is obviously much more unstable, since it's meant for +experimenting. + +Providing new versions usually gives MORE stability since newer version +normally include loads of bug fixes too, but again we debated this +already, see old posts in this thread. + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1189">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1189">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1189">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1189">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001190.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001190.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..04fe9fe3b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001190.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014150252.06F777F0F2%40kirsikkapuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001208.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001195.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014150252.06F777F0F2%40kirsikkapuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 17:02:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1190">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1190">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1190">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1190">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 13 October 2010 14:29:14 Marc Paré wrote: +><i> Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> >> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> >>> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> >>>>> == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> What's in etc ? +</I>><i> >>>> However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the +</I>><i> >>>> Conseil +</I>><i> >>>> Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has +</I>><i> >>>> statuted that the law could not prevent exception of +</I>><i> >>>> decompilation and the exception of circumvention of DRM if this +</I>><i> >>>> is for interoperability. In other words the use of libdvdcss is +</I>><i> >>>> allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> >>>> So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>><i> >>>> interoperability +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> It's their own responsability, no one force them, and some in the +</I>><i> >> world take the responsability to host mirrors with questionnable +</I>><i> >> software. Let's give them the liberty to choose as we have the +</I>><i> >> opportunity here in France to ship such software. No one forces +</I>><i> >> several company, university, or other groups to mirror ArchLinux, +</I>><i> >> PCLinuxOS, LinuxMint, PLF +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace +</I>><i> > ibiblio.org ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I was actually going to approach a university in Canada this week about +</I>><i> mirroring but I think I will wait till this is sorted out. I don't +</I>><i> believe I could convince them if they read this thread. They would most +</I>><i> definitely have second thoughts. +</I> +Indeed, as even Debian/Ubuntu do not ship libdvdcss (e.g. arch, gentoo do).. + +As for patents, Ubuntu already has 4 mirrors in Canadian universities. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1190">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1190">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1190">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1190">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001191.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001191.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..77c312d0d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001191.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014150409.BEA087F107%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001195.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001194.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014150409.BEA087F107%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 17:04:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1191">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1191">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1191">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1191">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote: +><i> About codecs.... Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very +</I>><i> comfortable for new and advanced users. +</I> +Yes. It is available on Mandriva and I don't see any reason to drop it from +Mageia. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1191">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1191">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1191">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1191">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001192.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001192.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c04b43fd3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001192.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014151400.GA21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001189.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001193.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014151400.GA21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 17:14:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001193.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1192">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1192">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1192">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1192">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: + +><i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that +</I>><i> > > the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who +</I>><i> > > DON'T want them can still always disable them. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > If backports repository is enabled by default, it should be stable. How +</I>><i> > do you garantee that backports will never break ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nicolas, please re-read old posts of this thread we discussed this +</I>><i> already, the conclusion was that there are no guarantees in +</I>><i> life. Experience tells us backports don't normally break any more than +</I>><i> the regular security/bugfix updates. +</I> +Experience tells me that backports break much more than regular +security/bugfix updates. + +><i> > > Backports shouldn't be second choice, it should be the default, since that +</I>><i> > > would make Mageia stand out from other distros as being the distro were +</I>><i> > > users get the latest versions of apps before any other major distro +</I>><i> > > provides them. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Just providing the latest version of apps is not enough to "stand out +</I>><i> > from other distros". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I didn't say this should be the ONLY unique feature of Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > All distros could do it, and they usually already do it in their +</I>><i> > developement version. But the problem is always the same: +</I>><i> > adding new versions create instability. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All distros COULD do it but they don't, the dev version doesn't count +</I>><i> as that is obviously much more unstable, since it's meant for +</I>><i> experimenting. +</I> +They could do it, but they don't do it in the stable branch. Maybe there +is a reason ? + +><i> Providing new versions usually gives MORE stability since newer version +</I>><i> normally include loads of bug fixes too, but again we debated this +</I>><i> already, see old posts in this thread. +</I> +The software itself can be more stable, but not the integration with +the other software. + +This was debated already, but you're still not answering the question +about how you can guarantee that it will be stable enough (the +integration between all the software, not only the software themself). + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001193.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1192">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1192">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1192">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1192">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001193.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001193.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..37af0d588 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001193.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010141724481.18238-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001192.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001200.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010141724481.18238-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 17:33:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001200.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1193">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1193">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1193">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1193">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: + +><i> Experience tells me that backports break much more than regular +</I>><i> security/bugfix updates. +</I> +Do you have any examples? + +I have been using backports on all my PCs and enabled them on all PCs of +friends whom I installed Mandriva and so far I have yet to see a single +breakage caused by backports. + +My desktop PC is still running 2008.1 to which I have personally +backported loads of apps even from 2011 cooker, without any issues. +Granted, I was unable to backport some apps due to the great difference +in lib versions, but that's to be expected when considering 2008.1 is +2.5 years old. But all apps that built fine, work fine. + +There was on the other hand a huge breakage caused by a normal +bugfix update of KDE4 in 2009.0 that caused KDE3.5 to completely break +for all users that had chosoen KDE3.5 (which was still supported in 2009.0). + + +><i> The software itself can be more stable, but not the integration with +</I>><i> the other software. +</I> +Why do you say that? + +It's all a matter of due care and obviously of avoiding backports +of things like KDE or other core stuff. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001200.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1193">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1193">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1193">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1193">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001194.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001194.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7d964fbc6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001194.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinXnE%2B7%2B6ox2omfPm2%3DFQfbUH15_pCu2SivB%2Bff%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001191.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001196.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinXnE%2B7%2B6ox2omfPm2%3DFQfbUH15_pCu2SivB%2Bff%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 18:08:04 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1194">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1194">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1194">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1194">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 14 October 2010 17:04, Anssi Hannula <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote: +><i> On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote: +</I>>><i> About codecs.... Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very +</I>>><i> comfortable for new and advanced users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes. It is available on Mandriva and I don't see any reason to drop it from +</I>><i> Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Anssi Hannula +</I>><i> +</I> +But codeina only works with gstreamer based apps IIUC... + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1194">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1194">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1194">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1194">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001195.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001195.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b7b9f155b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001195.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97atv%247bf%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001190.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001191.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97atv%247bf%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 18:25:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1195">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1195">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1195">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1195">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-14 11:02, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> On Wednesday 13 October 2010 14:29:14 Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>><i> Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>>>><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>>>>>><i> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>>>>>>><i> == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> What's in etc ? +</I>>>>>>><i> However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the +</I>>>>>>><i> Conseil +</I>>>>>>><i> Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has +</I>>>>>>><i> statuted that the law could not prevent exception of +</I>>>>>>><i> decompilation and the exception of circumvention of DRM if this +</I>>>>>>><i> is for interoperability. In other words the use of libdvdcss is +</I>>>>>>><i> allowed for interoperability. +</I>>>>>>><i> So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>>>>>>><i> interoperability +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> It's their own responsability, no one force them, and some in the +</I>>>>><i> world take the responsability to host mirrors with questionnable +</I>>>>><i> software. Let's give them the liberty to choose as we have the +</I>>>>><i> opportunity here in France to ship such software. No one forces +</I>>>>><i> several company, university, or other groups to mirror ArchLinux, +</I>>>>><i> PCLinuxOS, LinuxMint, PLF +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace +</I>>>><i> ibiblio.org ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I was actually going to approach a university in Canada this week about +</I>>><i> mirroring but I think I will wait till this is sorted out. I don't +</I>>><i> believe I could convince them if they read this thread. They would most +</I>>><i> definitely have second thoughts. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed, as even Debian/Ubuntu do not ship libdvdcss (e.g. arch, gentoo do).. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As for patents, Ubuntu already has 4 mirrors in Canadian universities. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, Ubuntu is riding a wave of popularism at this point. Their product +marketing is working quite well. You find/hear of them constantly. It's +something we should be doing as soon as we publish our first solid +product. The first release is just testing the infrastructure and +product so we still have time to organize. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1195">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1195">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1195">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1195">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001196.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001196.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b2793b892 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001196.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97b1f%247bf%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001194.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001205.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97b1f%247bf%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 18:27:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1196">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1196">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1196">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1196">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-14 12:08, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 14 October 2010 17:04, Anssi Hannula<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:54:45 Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote: +</I>>>><i> About codecs.... Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very +</I>>>><i> comfortable for new and advanced users. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes. It is available on Mandriva and I don't see any reason to drop it from +</I>>><i> Mageia. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Anssi Hannula +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But codeina only works with gstreamer based apps IIUC... +</I>><i> +</I> +However, it does lend legitimacy to the distro. I would also vote to +keep Codeina both as a useful (if somewhat) source for codecs but also +for public relations purposes. This is important from a marketing point +of view. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1196">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1196">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1196">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1196">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001197.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001197.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..728ed3ea6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001197.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97ba2%24anu%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001188.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001199.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97ba2%24anu%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 18:32:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1197">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1197">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1197">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1197">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-14 10:56, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : +><i> Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I guess the old rule of polls applies: +</I>>><i> depending on how you formulate the poll question and the description of +</I>>><i> the options you can hugely influence the results... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is so true. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I follow the politics blog FiveThirtyEight (warning! statistics nerd alert +</I>><i> activated!) and again and again, strange-resulting polls are caused by +</I>><i> poorly formulated questions, "guided" answers or lack of proper options. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Personally I think a poll without educating everyone about what exactly +</I>>><i> each choice would mean is useless. We first need to elaborate detailed +</I>>><i> alternatives before anyone can make an informed choice. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is mostly what Romain has been asking: someone to provide clear +</I>><i> definitions of what Rolling Release is. And why Backports does not work. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salut, +</I>><i> Sinner +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Is there a dedicated mailist for the leaders of the different +communities? It would probably make sense to have a closed list for them +to coordinate projects such as polls, marketing, sharing of resource +materials agreemtns etc. Just a place where they could meet and +conference to build consensus on different issues. + +Does this exist? Do we have a list of all the communities that have come +on-board to the project? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1197">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1197">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1197">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1197">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001198.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001198.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6558e4814 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001198.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97bne%24cbf%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001203.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001165.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97bne%24cbf%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 18:39:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001203.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1198">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1198">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1198">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1198">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-14 10:50, nicolas vigier a écrit : +><i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I think they should be enabled by default, since it's my impression that +</I>>><i> the majority of 'normal' users wants new versions of apps, those users who +</I>>><i> DON'T want them can still always disable them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If backports repository is enabled by default, it should be stable. How +</I>><i> do you garantee that backports will never break ? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Backports shouldn't be second choice, it should be the default, since that +</I>>><i> would make Mageia stand out from other distros as being the distro were +</I>>><i> users get the latest versions of apps before any other major distro +</I>>><i> provides them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just providing the latest version of apps is not enough to "stand out +</I>><i> from other distros". All distros could do it, and they usually already +</I>><i> do it in their developement version. But the problem is always the same: +</I>><i> adding new versions create instability. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Actually, there is a thread on the Mandriva nntp where the latest CUPS +in backports break the install. So we are passing the word to people +about this. DO NOT INSTALL THE CUPS backports, it may break your Mdv +installation. + +I think the "Backport" name should just be changed to a more descriptive +name and an info button (bubble or Wiki link) describing its intended +use to the users. + +There is a thread on the Mandriva nntp discussing the use of "Backport" +(I started it) as many users had no idea what it meant or the reason +behind it. We (users) are ill-informed of its purpose. But ... I like +it, and I think it should stay, but in a renamed form and for all users +to use ... maybe also add a "user help" link on that particular page +where users could turn to for help. + +IMHO, what makes or breaks a distro is the communication and the help +users get from their knowledgeable counterparts. Use-help and +Documentation should be front and centre to the distro. + +IMHO, if you have enough experience, then you should be helping out on +the "user help" mailists and "user help" forums to help out those in +need of help. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001203.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1198">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1198">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1198">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1198">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001199.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001199.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..79a0df841 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001199.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim8%2B6xwE-u9RPxc_3ZzK94GgpW8-4WXLZwa2-Pn%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001197.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001202.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim8%2B6xwE-u9RPxc_3ZzK94GgpW8-4WXLZwa2-Pn%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 18:42:18 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1199">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1199">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1199">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1199">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 18:32, Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Is there a dedicated mailist for the leaders of the different communities? +</I>><i> It would probably make sense to have a closed list for them to coordinate +</I>><i> projects such as polls, marketing, sharing of resource materials agreemtns +</I>><i> etc. Just a place where they could meet and conference to build consensus on +</I>><i> different issues. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Does this exist? Do we have a list of all the communities that have come +</I>><i> on-board to the project? +</I> +You mean, the Mageia Community Council? or something else? + +We're in the process to setup the Council, but we will need each team +to coordinate on its own first (so we're blocked by the mailing-list +availability, which should come soon - we've been delayed because of +hosting issues). + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1199">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1199">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1199">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1199">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001200.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001200.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d5ccc412d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001200.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cpan.2010.10.14.16.58.40.645442%40bcs.org.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001193.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001201.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Maurice Batey</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cpan.2010.10.14.16.58.40.645442%40bcs.org.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">maurice at bcs.org.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 18:58:40 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001193.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1200">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1200">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1200">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1200">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:33:31 +0200, Tux99 wrote: + +><i> I have been using backports on all my PCs and enabled them on all PCs of +</I>><i> friends whom I installed Mandriva and so far I have yet to see a single +</I>><i> breakage caused by backports. +</I> + Having never had Backports enabled, I was encouraged by postings +here to try it. Several app's were updated (e.g. VLC, CUPS). + +However, I then found that the new version of VLC had problems with +DVD menus, and the new CUPS introduced problems (not just in my +installation but at least one other Mandriva user). + +So I have reverted my Root partition to its state before the Backports +update, and all is well again. + +My experience tells me that I should only use Backports - temporarily +- when looking for an update to some application, i.e. not as a source +for regular overall software updates. + +-- +/\/\aurice + (Retired in Surrey, UK) Registered Linux User #487649 + Linux Mandriva 2010.0 32-bit PowerPack (i686 kernel) + KDE 4.4.3 Virtualbox 3.2.6 Firefox 3.6.10 + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001193.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1200">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1200">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1200">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1200">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001201.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001201.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5b4feed59 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001201.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Do we have a list of all the communities that have come +</I>>><i> on-board to the project? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You mean, the Mageia Community Council? or something else? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We're in the process to setup the Council, but we will need each team +</I>><i> to coordinate on its own first (so we're blocked by the mailing-list +</I>><i> availability, which should come soon - we've been delayed because of +</I>><i> hosting issues). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I> +Merci Romain + +I guess this is it. Ok, work in progress. + +Do we have an on-going list the different communities published that +have joined somewhere on the website? Just curious. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001172.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1202">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1202">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1202">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1202">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001203.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001203.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0d5a9d0d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001203.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97dpl%24n1e%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001201.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001198.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97dpl%24n1e%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 19:14:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1203">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1203">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1203">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1203">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-14 13:05, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Maurice Batey wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> However, I then found that the new version of VLC had problems with +</I>>><i> DVD menus, and the new CUPS introduced problems (not just in my +</I>>><i> installation but at least one other Mandriva user). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would put this down to the fact that currently in Mandriva backports +</I>><i> are given little attention by the packagers (as has been mentioned by +</I>><i> the Mandriva packagers here themselves). +</I>><i> Of course if we make them more central to the Mageia strategy then more +</I>><i> care and testing is needed before a backport is pushed out. +</I>><i> So I wouldn't consider that a fundamental issue with backports, just a +</I>><i> procedural issue. +</I>><i> Also personally I would consider CUPS a core app so I wouldn't have +</I>><i> included that in backports at all. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Yup. That was my comment on the Mandriva news group. If a package +affects the core or a large amount of other sofware packages, I, myself, +would avoid installing it from the "Backports". If the updated CUPS was +such a great upgrade, then I would imagine that the Mandriva devs would +have included it as a normal update and not a "Backport" upgrade. +Backport is great for VLC, Digikam, Amarok updates. But as Maurice +mentioned the VLC didn't have the dvdnav plugin with the upgrade ... so +there may be some hiccups from time to time with some of the software +upgrades. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1203">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1203">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1203">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1203">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001204.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001204.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..96aa07732 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001204.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014184617.5da6f630%40otfordduckscomputers.co.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001185.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001186.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Margot</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014184617.5da6f630%40otfordduckscomputers.co.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 19:46:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001185.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1204">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1204">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1204">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1204">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:29:28 +0200 +"Romain d'Alverny" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> Does anyone take notes to summarize and make a consistent +</I>><i> proposal (be it in some way or the other) of what should be done, +</I>><i> as well as defining some sort of personas for users (unaware, +</I>><i> new, occasional, frequent, expert) for evaluation? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +Initially, ALL Mageia users will be 'new'! But there are different +types of 'new'... + +When I have persuaded people to try Mandriva in the past, if they +were experienced Linux users I always suggested they join both the +'newbie' and 'expert' mailing lists - even if they knew a lot about +other distros, they might still have needed newbie-level help with +features that were Mandriva-specific. + +-- +Margot +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +**Otford Ducks Computers** +We teach, you learn... +...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you! +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001185.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1204">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1204">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1204">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1204">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001205.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001205.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..97187961d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001205.html @@ -0,0 +1,164 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014185504.C63657F0F7%40kirsikkapuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001196.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001206.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014185504.C63657F0F7%40kirsikkapuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 20:55:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1205">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1205">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1205">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1205">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:22:01 Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>><i> > Hi all! +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning +</I>><i> > we should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this +</I>><i> > post, only about the basic sectioning and packages in those. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Some points to consider (I've written my opinion in ones where I have +</I>><i> > one): +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > == Do we want a separated core repository? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse +</I>><i> > Separated core: Mandriva (main), Ubuntu (main), Arch (Core) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How do we decide what would be in core ? +</I> +AFAICS the only reasonable reason would be to separate 'supported' and +'unsupported' packages (whatever the definition we will choose for those). + +However, as-is the Mandriva system creates problems like the java one, where a +builddependency mess causes everything to be in Main. It would probably be +enough if run-time deps only were considered... + +Also there are things like the kde upstream networkmanager stuff, where one +component of a bigger source rpm (kdefoo4) depends on an 'unsupported' package +(networkmanager). It could be allowed to put only one subpackage into Contrib. + + +On the other hand, we could simply use some tags (or Provides, or some other +method) to denote the support status. This would fix the above to issues with +the previous system. Of course, to do that, there needs to be support in +rpmdrake/urpmi to properly handle such tag (and allow the user to disable +'unsupported' packages if wanted). + +><i> > == What about patents? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Almost no software with patents: Fedora, Opensuse +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > - Essentially no media codecs except theora/vorbis/ogg/vp8 etc. +</I>><i> > - Strange exception: libXft, Cairo and Qt4 are shipped with LCD +</I>><i> > filtering +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > support enabled, even if it is disabled in freetype +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > No software with enforced patents: Debian +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > - not included (at least): x264 (encoder), lame mp3 (encoder) +</I>><i> > - included (at least): MPEG/x decoders, H.264 decoders, MP3 decoders, +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > AAC decoders, AMR decoders, DTS decoders, AC3 decoders, +</I>><i> > WMV/WMA decoders, realvideo decoders, etc +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Some software covered by patents not included: Mandriva +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > - see below for more information +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > All software covered by patents allowed: Arch, Ubuntu +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > IMO we should alter our policy to match either Fedora, Debian or +</I>><i> > Ubuntu.. The Mandriva policy makes no sense (for example, no AAC +</I>><i> > decoder but yes for H.264 decoder and MPEG-4 encoder?). +</I>><i> > I'm really not sure which way we should go, though. WDYT? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would go the Debian way. +</I>><i> Ubuntu and Fedora are tied to companies, and Debian is not, so their +</I>><i> policies are likely more adapted to our own model. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Debian way seems to be more pragmatic that Ubuntu/Fedora on that matter. +</I> +Indeed, Debian's situation seems closer to ours. + +However, a bit more investigation shows that the Debian policy "no enforced +patents" is not really a written policy and what it means in practice is not +100% clear. A clarification request [1] has gone unanswered for 1.5 years, and +"missing" packages x264,lame,xvidcore are sitting in the NEW queue [2] without +having been accepted or rejected yet (it has "only" been 2.5 months, though). + + +BTW, other related 'missing' packages in debian are "mjpegtools", "faac", +"transcode", but the first two are missing due to license reasons instead of +patent issues: + +mjpegtools contains source files that are "All Rights Reserved" by "MPEG/audio +software simulation group" (Ubuntu has the package in multiverse, Mandriva in +main) + +faac contains a limitation that it is not allowed to be used in software not +conforming to MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio standards, which makes it non-opensource +(Ubuntu has the package in multiverse, Mandriva doesn't have it). + +transcode is missing, but there's been no recent activity on it that would +explain why it isn't there (IIRC its supported codecs are a subset of ffmpeg +ones, and ffmpeg is in Debian). + + +[1] <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522373">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522373</A> +(note that debian had some encoders disabled in ffmpeg at the time of the +above report; those have since been enabled) +[2] <A HREF="http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html">http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html</A> + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1205">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1205">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1205">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1205">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001206.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001206.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ba98c12cc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001206.html @@ -0,0 +1,172 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010142157.03672.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001205.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001207.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010142157.03672.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 21:57:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001207.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1206">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1206">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1206">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1206">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 20:55:01, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> On Wednesday 13 October 2010 20:22:01 Michael Scherer wrote: +</I>><i> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>><i> > > Hi all! +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning +</I>><i> > > we should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this +</I>><i> > > post, only about the basic sectioning and packages in those. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Some points to consider (I've written my opinion in ones where I have +</I>><i> > > one): +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > == Do we want a separated core repository? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse +</I>><i> > > Separated core: Mandriva (main), Ubuntu (main), Arch (Core) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > How do we decide what would be in core ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> AFAICS the only reasonable reason would be to separate 'supported' and +</I>><i> 'unsupported' packages (whatever the definition we will choose for those). +</I>><i> +</I> +What is a supported package or what is an unsupported package ? + +For Mandriva it was clear, packages on which Mandriva provides support is in +main, if not it's in contrib. + +><i> > > == What about patents? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Almost no software with patents: Fedora, Opensuse +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > - Essentially no media codecs except theora/vorbis/ogg/vp8 etc. +</I>><i> > > - Strange exception: libXft, Cairo and Qt4 are shipped with LCD +</I>><i> > > filtering +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > support enabled, even if it is disabled in freetype +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > No software with enforced patents: Debian +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > - not included (at least): x264 (encoder), lame mp3 (encoder) +</I>><i> > > - included (at least): MPEG/x decoders, H.264 decoders, MP3 decoders, +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > AAC decoders, AMR decoders, DTS decoders, AC3 decoders, +</I>><i> > > WMV/WMA decoders, realvideo decoders, etc +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Some software covered by patents not included: Mandriva +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > - see below for more information +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > All software covered by patents allowed: Arch, Ubuntu +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > IMO we should alter our policy to match either Fedora, Debian or +</I>><i> > > Ubuntu.. The Mandriva policy makes no sense (for example, no AAC +</I>><i> > > decoder but yes for H.264 decoder and MPEG-4 encoder?). +</I>><i> > > I'm really not sure which way we should go, though. WDYT? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I would go the Debian way. +</I>><i> > Ubuntu and Fedora are tied to companies, and Debian is not, so their +</I>><i> > policies are likely more adapted to our own model. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Debian way seems to be more pragmatic that Ubuntu/Fedora on that matter. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed, Debian's situation seems closer to ours. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, a bit more investigation shows that the Debian policy "no enforced +</I>><i> patents" is not really a written policy and what it means in practice is +</I>><i> not 100% clear. A clarification request [1] has gone unanswered for 1.5 +</I>><i> years, and "missing" packages x264,lame,xvidcore are sitting in the NEW +</I>><i> queue [2] without having been accepted or rejected yet (it has "only" been +</I>><i> 2.5 months, though). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW, other related 'missing' packages in debian are "mjpegtools", "faac", +</I>><i> "transcode", but the first two are missing due to license reasons instead +</I>><i> of patent issues: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> mjpegtools contains source files that are "All Rights Reserved" by +</I>><i> "MPEG/audio software simulation group" (Ubuntu has the package in +</I>><i> multiverse, Mandriva in main) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> faac contains a limitation that it is not allowed to be used in software +</I>><i> not conforming to MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio standards, which makes it +</I>><i> non-opensource (Ubuntu has the package in multiverse, Mandriva doesn't +</I>><i> have it). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> transcode is missing, but there's been no recent activity on it that would +</I>><i> explain why it isn't there (IIRC its supported codecs are a subset of +</I>><i> ffmpeg ones, and ffmpeg is in Debian). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522373">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522373</A> +</I>><i> (note that debian had some encoders disabled in ffmpeg at the time of the +</I>><i> above report; those have since been enabled) +</I>><i> [2] <A HREF="http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html">http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html</A> +</I> +Questions about patents is related to which law applies to Mageia. No answers +to which law then no clear policy can be applied. + +For me, since Mageia.org will lead the project (and will own Mageia +trademarks) is located in France, since build system of Mageia will be in +France then French law is the law we have to consider for Mageia. Debian runs +under SPI organization located in the state of New York, USA, thus is ruled by +US Laws. + + +-- +Olivier Méjean +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +twitter : obagoom +identi.ca : goom +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001207.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1206">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1206">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1206">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1206">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001207.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001207.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a3d3ea405 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001207.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97p3u%24dnj%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001206.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci97p3u%24dnj%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 22:27:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1207">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1207">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1207">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1207">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +><i> +</I>><i> Questions about patents is related to which law applies to Mageia. No answers +</I>><i> to which law then no clear policy can be applied. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For me, since Mageia.org will lead the project (and will own Mageia +</I>><i> trademarks) is located in France, since build system of Mageia will be in +</I>><i> France then French law is the law we have to consider for Mageia. Debian runs +</I>><i> under SPI organization located in the state of New York, USA, thus is ruled by +</I>><i> US Laws. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +As we keep going round in circles, do we have anyone on-board with firm +knowledge on international patent/licence laws in this domain (lawyer)? +Should we just check with the FSF.org and they could give us an opinion +on this? Maybe someone from the Mageia core group could check behind the +scenes with the FSF? + +If anything, the laws of most countries adhere to the notion that "being +ignorant of the law is no excuse". If we are to put "questionable" +software on different servers, we should maybe get crystal clear facts +on the ramifications of doing so. How did the other distros go about +making their decisions? I would check with the MAJOR distros, as this is +what Mageia is all about. People all over will clamour for our distro. +We are going to be a MAJOR and influential distro. So we should behave +this way as well when we are setting up our mirror network. + +So, it sounds to me, that a core group individual, should, as an +official representative of the Mageia project, approach these +organisations and FSF to check and to get advice/opinons. Just to make sure. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1207">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1207">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1207">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1207">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001208.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001208.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ddbcdfc0c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/001208.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014211256.GA26690%40maude.comedia.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001167.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001190.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)</H1> + <B>Luca Berra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3C20101014211256.GA26690%40maude.comedia.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)">bluca at vodka.it + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 14 23:12:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1208">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1208">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1208">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1208">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 09:44:39AM +0100, Buchan Milne wrote: +><i>On Saturday, 9 October 2010 10:10:36 Renaud MICHEL wrote: +</I>>><i> On samedi 09 octobre 2010 at 05:45, andré wrote : +</I>>><i> > Note that configuration files that have been changed from the +</I>>><i> > installation default are often already saved. (Generally ".old" is +</I>>><i> > appended to the configuration file name, sometimes ".new" to the new +</I>>><i> > configuration file.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But here you are only talking about system-wide configuration files, which +</I>>><i> are known of rpm as they are part of the package and marked as config +</I>>><i> files. But what about user specific configuration files? +</I>>><i> For the easy kind, where a program will have a single configuration file +</I>>><i> (or dedicated directory), a pre-inst script could find it in the home of +</I>>><i> each users and backup them. But you have cases of programs which have +</I>>><i> configuration scattered in multiple shared directories (like KDE), or even +</I>>><i> non-deterministic configuration files and it can become very tricky to find +</I>>><i> all the files to backup. +</I>><i> +</I>><i>A snapshot-based solution (e.g. on btrfs) would mean you don't have to "find +</I>><i>all the files". +</I> +uhm. we are speaking about user files, what if reverting a snapshot +makes users loose a whole day of work. + +L. + +-- +Luca Berra -- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bluca at vodka.it</A> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1208">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1208">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1208">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1208">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..76dbb8d31 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,287 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 14 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>14 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 00:16:50 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:12:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 48<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="001200.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+</A><A NAME="1170"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1171"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1186"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1188"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1177"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1179"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1194"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1163"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1169"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+</A><A NAME="1181"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1199"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1187"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1192"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Oct 14 23:12:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:13:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b5982d382 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,287 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 14 October 2010 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>14 October 2010 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 00:16:50 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:12:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 48<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="001161.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1161"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1162"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1163"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1164"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1165"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1166"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1167"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1168"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1169"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001170.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1170"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1171"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001172.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1172"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1173"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1174"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001175.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1175"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001176.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1176"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1177"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1178"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1179"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001180.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1180"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001181.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1181"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1182"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001184.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1184"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001183.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1183"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001185.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1185"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1186"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1187"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1188"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1189"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1190"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1191"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1192"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001193.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1193"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1194"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1195"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1196"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1197"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1198"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1199"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001200.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1200"> </A> +<I>Maurice Batey +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1201"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1202"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001203.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1203"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1204"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1205"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1206"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001207.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1207"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1208"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Oct 14 23:12:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:13:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101014/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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Oct 14 23:12:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 48<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1162"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1163"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1164"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001170.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1170"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001172.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1172"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1173"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1174"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001175.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1175"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001176.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1176"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1177"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1178"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1179"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001180.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1180"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001181.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1181"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1182"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001184.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1184"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001183.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1183"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001185.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1185"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1186"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1187"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1188"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1189"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1192"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001193.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1193"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1197"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1198"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1199"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001200.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1200"> </A> +<I>Maurice Batey +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1201"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1202"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001203.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1203"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1204"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1166"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1168"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1190"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1191"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1205"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1206"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1165"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1169"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1194"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1195"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1196"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001207.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1207"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001161.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1161"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1167"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1171"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1208"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Oct 14 23:12:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:13:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git 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<b>Messages:</b> 48<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01287008210- --> +<LI><A HREF="001161.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1161"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287008210-01287061846- --> +<LI><A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1171"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01287028792- --> +<LI><A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1162"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287028792-01287030032- --> +<LI><A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1163"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287028792-01287030032-01287031591- --> +<LI><A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1164"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287028792-01287030032-01287031591-01287061703- --> +<LI><A HREF="001170.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1170"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287030032-01287031591-01287061703-01287064190- --> +<LI><A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1174"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287030032-01287031591-01287061703-01287064190-01287064667- --> +<LI><A HREF="001176.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1176"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287030032-01287031591-01287061703-01287064190-01287064667-01287066716- --> +<LI><A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1182"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287030032-01287031591-01287061703-01287064190-01287064667-01287068214- --> +<LI><A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1188"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287030032-01287031591-01287061703-01287064190-01287064667-01287068214-01287073921- --> +<LI><A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1197"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287030032-01287031591-01287061703-01287064190-01287064667-01287068214-01287073921-01287074538- --> +<LI><A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1199"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287030032-01287031591-01287061703-01287064190-01287064667-01287068214-01287073921-01287074538-01287076048- --> +<LI><A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1202"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01287028792-01287062823- --> +<LI><A HREF="001172.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1172"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688- --> +<LI><A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1173"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064407- --> +<LI><A HREF="001175.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1175"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064407-01287066794- --> +<LI><A HREF="001184.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1184"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064850- --> +<LI><A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1177"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064850-01287065652- --> +<LI><A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1178"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064850-01287065652-01287066107- --> +<LI><A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1179"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064850-01287065652-01287066107-01287066509- --> +<LI><A HREF="001180.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1180"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064850-01287065652-01287066107-01287066568- --> +<LI><A HREF="001181.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1181"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064850-01287065652-01287066107-01287066568-01287066845- --> +<LI><A HREF="001183.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1183"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064850-01287065652-01287066107-01287066568-01287067145- --> +<LI><A HREF="001185.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1185"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064850-01287065652-01287066107-01287066568-01287078377- --> +<LI><A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1204"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287064850-01287065652-01287067467- --> +<LI><A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1186"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287067839- --> +<LI><A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1187"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287067839-01287068258- --> +<LI><A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1189"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287067839-01287068258-01287069240- --> +<LI><A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1192"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287067839-01287068258-01287069240-01287070411- --> +<LI><A HREF="001193.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1193"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287067839-01287068258-01287069240-01287070411-01287075520- --> +<LI><A HREF="001200.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1200"> </A> +<I>Maurice Batey +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287067839-01287068258-01287069240-01287070411-01287075520-01287075930- --> +<LI><A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1201"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287067839-01287068258-01287069240-01287070411-01287075520-01287075930-01287076468- --> +<LI><A HREF="001203.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1203"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01287028792-01287062823-01287063688-01287067839-01287074350- --> +<LI><A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1198"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01287043624- --> +<LI><A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1165"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287043624-01287045270- --> +<LI><A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1166"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287043624-01287045270-01287049652- --> +<LI><A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1168"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287043624-01287045270-01287049652-01287050792- --> +<LI><A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1169"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01287045879- --> +<LI><A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1167"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287045879-01287090776- --> +<LI><A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1208"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01287068568- --> +<LI><A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1190"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287068568-01287073535- --> +<LI><A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1195"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01287068647- --> +<LI><A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1191"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287068647-01287072484- --> +<LI><A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1194"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287068647-01287072484-01287073647- --> +<LI><A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1196"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01287082501- --> +<LI><A HREF="001205.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1205"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287082501-01287086223- --> +<LI><A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1206"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287082501-01287086223-01287088061- --> +<LI><A HREF="001207.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1207"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Oct 14 23:12:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:13:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |