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It would probably be +enough if run-time deps only were considered... + +Also there are things like the kde upstream networkmanager stuff, where one +component of a bigger source rpm (kdefoo4) depends on an 'unsupported' package +(networkmanager). It could be allowed to put only one subpackage into Contrib. + + +On the other hand, we could simply use some tags (or Provides, or some other +method) to denote the support status. This would fix the above to issues with +the previous system. Of course, to do that, there needs to be support in +rpmdrake/urpmi to properly handle such tag (and allow the user to disable +'unsupported' packages if wanted). + +><i> > == What about patents? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Almost no software with patents: Fedora, Opensuse +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > - Essentially no media codecs except theora/vorbis/ogg/vp8 etc. +</I>><i> > - Strange exception: libXft, Cairo and Qt4 are shipped with LCD +</I>><i> > filtering +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > support enabled, even if it is disabled in freetype +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > No software with enforced patents: Debian +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > - not included (at least): x264 (encoder), lame mp3 (encoder) +</I>><i> > - included (at least): MPEG/x decoders, H.264 decoders, MP3 decoders, +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > AAC decoders, AMR decoders, DTS decoders, AC3 decoders, +</I>><i> > WMV/WMA decoders, realvideo decoders, etc +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Some software covered by patents not included: Mandriva +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > - see below for more information +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > All software covered by patents allowed: Arch, Ubuntu +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > IMO we should alter our policy to match either Fedora, Debian or +</I>><i> > Ubuntu.. The Mandriva policy makes no sense (for example, no AAC +</I>><i> > decoder but yes for H.264 decoder and MPEG-4 encoder?). +</I>><i> > I'm really not sure which way we should go, though. WDYT? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would go the Debian way. +</I>><i> Ubuntu and Fedora are tied to companies, and Debian is not, so their +</I>><i> policies are likely more adapted to our own model. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Debian way seems to be more pragmatic that Ubuntu/Fedora on that matter. +</I> +Indeed, Debian's situation seems closer to ours. + +However, a bit more investigation shows that the Debian policy "no enforced +patents" is not really a written policy and what it means in practice is not +100% clear. A clarification request [1] has gone unanswered for 1.5 years, and +"missing" packages x264,lame,xvidcore are sitting in the NEW queue [2] without +having been accepted or rejected yet (it has "only" been 2.5 months, though). + + +BTW, other related 'missing' packages in debian are "mjpegtools", "faac", +"transcode", but the first two are missing due to license reasons instead of +patent issues: + +mjpegtools contains source files that are "All Rights Reserved" by "MPEG/audio +software simulation group" (Ubuntu has the package in multiverse, Mandriva in +main) + +faac contains a limitation that it is not allowed to be used in software not +conforming to MPEG-2/MPEG-4 Audio standards, which makes it non-opensource +(Ubuntu has the package in multiverse, Mandriva doesn't have it). + +transcode is missing, but there's been no recent activity on it that would +explain why it isn't there (IIRC its supported codecs are a subset of ffmpeg +ones, and ffmpeg is in Debian). + + +[1] <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522373">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522373</A> +(note that debian had some encoders disabled in ffmpeg at the time of the +above report; those have since been enabled) +[2] <A HREF="http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html">http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html</A> + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1205">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1205">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1205">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1205">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |