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+</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why do you think Novell made the patent-protection agreement with +</I>><i> Microsoft? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The only major commercial Linux distro that is based in US is Redhat and +</I>><i> that's probably only because at the time they were founded the patents +</I>><i> issue in the US didn't exist yet (at least not like these days). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We cannot base our distro on the ridiculous patents laws of the US, first +</I>><i> of all there is no legal reason to do so, and second why should users all +</I>><i> around the world suffer US patent laws despite they don't apply to them? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Having separate plf repos IS A MAJOR OBSTACLE for new users (and for +</I>><i> packagers probably too), first of all because most have no idea that these +</I>><i> exist and then even if they find out you need to consider all those users +</I>><i> on dialup for whom downloading many megabytes of replacement plf packages +</I>><i> is a major problem. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So again, I suggest we include all the important codecs and +</I>><i> drivers/firmware that help the user to have a great out-of-the-box +</I>><i> experience with Mageia, but we add a question during installation so the +</I>><i> user can decide if he wants to install them or not. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This should keep everybody happy, I don't see why this couldn't be +</I>><i> agreeable for you. +</I>><i> +</I> +Hi Tux99: + +<A HREF="http://www.riaa.com/faq.php">http://www.riaa.com/faq.php</A> +<A HREF="http://newteevee.com/2010/05/21/mpeg-la-threatens-googles-vp8-with-patent-pool-license/">http://newteevee.com/2010/05/21/mpeg-la-threatens-googles-vp8-with-patent-pool-license/</A> +<A HREF="http://thresq.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/03/new-litigation-campaign-targets-tens-of-thousands-of-bittorrent-users.html">http://thresq.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/03/new-litigation-campaign-targets-tens-of-thousands-of-bittorrent-users.html</A> +<A HREF="http://www.sevensidedcube.net/biggest-movie-law-suite-ever-hurt-locker/">http://www.sevensidedcube.net/biggest-movie-law-suite-ever-hurt-locker/</A> + +Hmmm ... let's see now, I started collecting this list at 20.11h and it +is now 20:13 and all I did was Google "2010 movie lawsuit"; 2010 codec +lawsuit"; "2010 mp3 lawsuit" and the list is realistically longer. + +If you and others are willing to indemnify Mageia users and installers +against any lawsuits due to packaging unlicensed software/codecs/etc , +this would go a long way to giving people like myself piece of mind. + +When packaging an OS distro, we (as a community) should assume that the +product that our community devs and distro planners will not in the end +be cause of concern. + +If RedHat is able to maintain corporate headquarters in the US, then I +would suggest we examine closely their packaging repos. Mageia touts +itself as an international distro. You cannot claim international status +if you package a distro that is legal in one country and then illegal in +another. Some of the software packages have been reverse engineered to +circumvent patent laws while others are still in the grey zone and +others are not supposed to be installed due to their legal status. + +This is why, in my opinion, Mageia should try to steer itself away, as +much as possible, from grey and illegal areas and leave it to the end +user's choice whether or not to install these packages. There is nothing +wrong in also adding the Codeina/Fluendo option for those who would +rather use this service. We are trying to build a great package. Why +would the Mageia team put in peril its existence and the people's income +(through potential expensive lawsuits)? If users decide to use this +technology then they put themselves in this position and not the distro. + +We can let users know of the existence of these "questionable" pieces of +software, there is nothing wrong with this, especially when we offer +users a perfectly legal way of gaining use of codecs, libs etc. Whether +the users decide to use the "legitimate way" or the "other" way is +completely up to them and not Mageia's responsibility. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001120.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1118">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1118">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1118">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1118">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001119.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001119.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..28d8da005 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001119.html @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012201953.738e3837.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001126.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001129.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012201953.738e3837.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 03:19:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001126.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1119">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1119">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1119">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1119">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:50:04 +0200 +Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b-gM/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> 2010/10/12 Balcaen John <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > Le lundi 11 octobre 2010 14:02:16, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>><i> > [...] +</I>><i> > You can always release a new install cd every 6/8/12 months even if you're +</I>><i> > using a « rolling distro » . +</I>><i> +</I> +Hi everybody. + +IMHO first than talking about a release cycle, we must define what kind of distro Magiea will be. When I proposed a Rolling Ligth Distro, I suggest to run a poll, but not for to make a decision about what kind of distro, at least not now. + +For to do that, the community need to understand what are the goals and must have a wide picture on every proposed model. + +As vfmBOFH poll's at BlogDrake show (no only in percentages), the comunity doesn't understand what is what. + +Let me translate to you some comments written there: + +"Inicialmente voté por un distribución como la actual de Mandriva..." +(In a first instance I voted for a distribution as present Mandriva are...) + +"Y a ser posible no tener que esperar mucho por las nuevas versiones, estables, de los programas" +(And if it's possible, I prefer no need to wait long time for the new stable program versions.) + +Another user wrote: +"Es solo una opinión. En definitiva, cómo ha venido siendo Mandriva me parece lo correcto." +(It's just an opinion. Definitively, I think the Mandriva's way is the right way.) + +"Por último, también estaría bien no ser tan estrictos con las versiones de ciertos componentes. Si por ejemplo mañana saliera Mageia 2010 (por poner un ejemplo) y pasado mañana sale Firefox 4.0, que no se quede esa versión con la 3.6.x todo el tiempo," +(Finally, it would not be as strict versions of certain components. If, for example morning out mageia 2010 (for instance) and the day after Firefox 4.0 comes out, you do not run the 3.6.x version with all the time,) + +That's very clear, these users are trying to say: "We want a different model, but we want a stable distro" + +There are other comments like that, but I'm not trying to bore you. + +><i> Yes, but it will never be as exciting and will not get the same +</I>><i> attention as a new release of a distribution. You ever read about a +</I>><i> Archlinux Beta or release party coming up? With a new release you have +</I>><i> some improvements, a new design (maybe), some new features - all +</I>><i> together at the same day. A rolling release is not exciting, it is as +</I>><i> boring as my wrist watch (radio controlled, solar cell powered, no +</I>><i> maintenace during the last 8 years). It does its job, no negative nor +</I>><i> positive surprises. +</I>><i> That's why people who regard their computer as a tool to get things +</I>><i> done will prefer a rolling release, while others who are interested in +</I>><i> the system will possibly turn to normal releases. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course this has nothing to do with technical reasons, I only wanted +</I>><i> to add this piece of thought. +</I>><i> +</I> +I agree with you. Mageia needs a lot of noise in the media time to time, and of course a permanent buzz + +><i> Will do in MandrivaUser.de because I also think it is important to ask +</I>><i> the community. +</I>><i> But I'm also aware that the result will not be near the real opinion +</I>><i> of the community. The percentage of active members of the community is +</I>><i> quite small, so the result of a poll will be only that of a small +</I>><i> percentage of the community. I think the technical and logistic +</I>><i> reasons and benefits/constraints may be much stronger advocates of one +</I>><i> or the other release system. +</I> +I agree again, the people that post comments in there are a very small percentage of the Mandriva users around the world, refereeing again to BlogDrake's poll, there were 130 votes, and 49 posts (including 4 of vfmBOFH and 2 of mine), but we take in mind that there are some like 1,300 millions of Hispanics around the world. + +Finally I think: Our goal isn't "convert" Mandriva's users into Mageia's users. Our main goal must be to catch a multitude of new users to GNU Linux, and we must do that into Mageia. + +Regards from México. +-- +Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001126.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1119">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1119">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1119">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1119">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001120.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001120.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..81e285a97 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001120.html @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010130323520.18238-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Why would the Mageia team put +</I>><i> in peril its existence and the people's income +</I>><i> (through potential expensive lawsuits)? +</I> +We won't have a great package if we exclude everything that is +potentially a legal issue in some country of the world, in fact very +little usability will be left in the distro (look at plain +out-of-the-box fedora, which tries to comply to US laws). + +No distro out there is trying to comply to the laws of every country in +the world, most distros just try to comply to the laws of the country +they are legally based in, why should Mageia be any different? + +Again, as long Mageia complies with French law there is no risk of +serious lawsuits (there is no way to protect against frivolous +lawsuits), please don't spread FUD about putting it's existence in +peril, that doesn't help your argument at all. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001118.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1120">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1120">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1120">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1120">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001121.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001121.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..464fa4900 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001121.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C424.4cb513a7%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001120.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001122.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C424.4cb513a7%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 04:04:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001120.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001122.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1121">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1121">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1121">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1121">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Marc, just as a further point to reflect on: +there are countries in the world were encryption is illegal or severely +restricted. + +According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp, +and even https support in any browser. +Does that seems reasonable to you? + +You need to face it, it would be impossible to make a distro that is legal +in every country of the world and at the same time is of any use to the +users. +Therefore I don't see the need why we should comply with US patent laws +when we don't comply with for example Chinese encryption laws. + +The only reasonable choice is do what every other distro does: +comply with the laws of the country where the distro is legally based in, +in this case France. + +Regardless of all that, it is ALWAYS the user's (not the distro makers) +responsibility to comply with local laws of where the distro is being +installed/used. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001120.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001122.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1121">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1121">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1121">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1121">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001122.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001122.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b2b974699 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001122.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci93dpr%24i1m%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001121.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001123.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci93dpr%24i1m%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 06:50:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001123.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1122">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1122">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1122">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1122">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc, just as a further point to reflect on: +</I>><i> there are countries in the world were encryption is illegal or severely +</I>><i> restricted. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp, +</I>><i> and even https support in any browser. +</I>><i> Does that seems reasonable to you? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You need to face it, it would be impossible to make a distro that is legal +</I>><i> in every country of the world and at the same time is of any use to the +</I>><i> users. +</I>><i> Therefore I don't see the need why we should comply with US patent laws +</I>><i> when we don't comply with for example Chinese encryption laws. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The only reasonable choice is do what every other distro does: +</I>><i> comply with the laws of the country where the distro is legally based in, +</I>><i> in this case France. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regardless of all that, it is ALWAYS the user's (not the distro makers) +</I>><i> responsibility to comply with local laws of where the distro is being +</I>><i> installed/used. +</I>><i> +</I> +All of your points are exactly what I am trying to point out and even +reinforce my concerns. These are all true. This is why, in my opinion, +the Mageia distro should not be installing all of these controversial +software packages by default. These should be added on after the Mageia +official distro and the user would thereafter install further software +packages that he/she wished to have to make the distro work as he/she +wished. This would then remove that layer of liability from the Mageia +project group. In my opinion, Mageia should be wary in wanting to +install a fully functioning distro if this means using software packages +that may get it into trouble (Mageia itself). Let the user then assume +that responsibility/liability. This is where, I consider the "easy +urpmi" served its purpose well. It installed repos where the available +software that most users would need was made available, but this again +was by user choice. + +Cheers + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001123.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1122">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1122">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1122">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1122">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001123.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001123.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a69398ec0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001123.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010130708410.18238-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001122.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001124.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010130708410.18238-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 07:14:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001122.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001124.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1123">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1123">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1123">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1123">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: + +><i> Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp, +</I>><i> > and even https support in any browser. +</I>><i> > Does that seems reasonable to you? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > You need to face it, it would be impossible to make a distro that is legal +</I>><i> > in every country of the world and at the same time is of any use to the +</I>><i> > users. +</I>><i> > Therefore I don't see the need why we should comply with US patent laws +</I>><i> > when we don't comply with for example Chinese encryption laws. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All of your points are exactly what I am trying to point out and even +</I>><i> reinforce my concerns. These are all true. This is why, in my opinion, +</I>><i> the Mageia distro should not be installing all of these controversial +</I>><i> software packages by default. +</I> +Are you seriously suggesting Mageia should produce a distro without ssh, +openssl and even with all browsers stripped of https support? + +I can imagine how popular that would be with the majority of users... + +><i> This would then remove that layer of liability from the Mageia +</I>><i> project group. In my opinion, Mageia should be wary in wanting to +</I>><i> install a fully functioning distro if this means using software packages +</I>><i> that may get it into trouble (Mageia itself). +</I> +But here lies the mistake in your reasoning. Mageia doesn't have to +exclude all those packages, since the only liability Mageia has, is +towards the French laws. + +So the sensible choice is to base the choice of packages to include on +French law. It is up to the user to make sure he/she only installs and +uses packages that are legal in his/her country. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001122.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001124.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1123">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1123">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1123">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1123">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001124.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001124.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1fa360089 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001124.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci93fqg%24nu8%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001123.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001125.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci93fqg%24nu8%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 07:24:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001123.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1124">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1124">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1124">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1124">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 01:14, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp, +</I>>>><i> and even https support in any browser. +</I>>>><i> Does that seems reasonable to you? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> You need to face it, it would be impossible to make a distro that is legal +</I>>>><i> in every country of the world and at the same time is of any use to the +</I>>>><i> users. +</I>>>><i> Therefore I don't see the need why we should comply with US patent laws +</I>>>><i> when we don't comply with for example Chinese encryption laws. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> All of your points are exactly what I am trying to point out and even +</I>>><i> reinforce my concerns. These are all true. This is why, in my opinion, +</I>>><i> the Mageia distro should not be installing all of these controversial +</I>>><i> software packages by default. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Are you seriously suggesting Mageia should produce a distro without ssh, +</I>><i> openssl and even with all browsers stripped of https support? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can imagine how popular that would be with the majority of users... +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> This would then remove that layer of liability from the Mageia +</I>>><i> project group. In my opinion, Mageia should be wary in wanting to +</I>>><i> install a fully functioning distro if this means using software packages +</I>>><i> that may get it into trouble (Mageia itself). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But here lies the mistake in your reasoning. Mageia doesn't have to +</I>><i> exclude all those packages, since the only liability Mageia has, is +</I>><i> towards the French laws. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So the sensible choice is to base the choice of packages to include on +</I>><i> French law. It is up to the user to make sure he/she only installs and +</I>><i> uses packages that are legal in his/her country. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Obviously running in circles here, I guess we both have our opinions and +we let it rest at that. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001123.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1124">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1124">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1124">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1124">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001125.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001125.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..81910b5d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001125.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010131009.22019.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001124.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001135.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010131009.22019.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 10:09:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001124.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1125">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1125">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1125">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1125">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 07:24:32, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> Le 2010-10-13 01:14, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>><i> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: +</I>><i> >> Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>><i> >>> According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, +</I>><i> >>> pgp, and even https support in any browser. +</I>><i> >>> Does that seems reasonable to you? +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> You need to face it, it would be impossible to make a distro that is +</I>><i> >>> legal in every country of the world and at the same time is of any use +</I>><i> >>> to the users. +</I>><i> >>> Therefore I don't see the need why we should comply with US patent laws +</I>><i> >>> when we don't comply with for example Chinese encryption laws. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> All of your points are exactly what I am trying to point out and even +</I>><i> >> reinforce my concerns. These are all true. This is why, in my opinion, +</I>><i> >> the Mageia distro should not be installing all of these controversial +</I>><i> >> software packages by default. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Are you seriously suggesting Mageia should produce a distro without ssh, +</I>><i> > openssl and even with all browsers stripped of https support? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I can imagine how popular that would be with the majority of users... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> This would then remove that layer of liability from the Mageia +</I>><i> >> project group. In my opinion, Mageia should be wary in wanting to +</I>><i> >> install a fully functioning distro if this means using software packages +</I>><i> >> that may get it into trouble (Mageia itself). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But here lies the mistake in your reasoning. Mageia doesn't have to +</I>><i> > exclude all those packages, since the only liability Mageia has, is +</I>><i> > towards the French laws. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So the sensible choice is to base the choice of packages to include on +</I>><i> > French law. It is up to the user to make sure he/she only installs and +</I>><i> > uses packages that are legal in his/her country. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Obviously running in circles here, I guess we both have our opinions and +</I>><i> we let it rest at that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +There is no solution. + +However, i would like to emphasis that VLC project - <A HREF="http://www.videolan.org/">http://www.videolan.org/</A> +- is based in France - and i don't remember VLC being sued and found guilty of +patent infringement. Anyone can download VLC even from website located in USA +(on cnet.com for example). VLC is not a small project so i guess if there were +good reasons to sue the project for patent infringement it would have been +done. VLC also hosts libdvdcss project (among other surely covered with +patents in USA) + +Archlinux which provides libdvdcss have at least one mirror located in the +USA, as plf have also at least one mirror there. + +So my feeling is that we should distribute codecs to access multimedia +contents out-of-box (provided that the software are free - libre - is there +are not free, that's for non-free media) + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001124.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1125">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1125">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1125">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1125">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001126.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001126.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6bc01a382 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001126.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB57274.50608%40marneau.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001137.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001119.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Lucien-Henry Horvath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB57274.50608%40marneau.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">tempo2 at marneau.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 10:48:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001137.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1126">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1126">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1126">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1126">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> Le 13/10/2010 04:04, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> Regardless of all that, it is ALWAYS the user's (not the distro makers) +</I>><i> responsibility to comply with local laws of where the distro is being +</I>><i> installed/used +</I>In fact, if you make a distro law compliant with all countries and tell +that to users, you can open the way to this case : +The user can claim that he was in confidence to apply the law of his +"ABC country" (US for example ;-) ) because he used Mageia ... As +Mageia had claimed it was compliant with all laws ... therefore it was +compliant with the law of it's country ABC. If Mageia make a mistake in +it's law compliancy ... it take a risk, and the association take a risk +... and the developpers of Mageia taking a risk of a pursuit in the +country ABC. + +So ... a good reason to choice to not be compliant will all law, but +only 1 law well understood by the association. +After, a local Mageia-ABC-association can tell wich package replace for +compliancy with ABC law ... +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001137.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1126">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1126">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1126">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1126">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001127.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001127.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..12d2bfd6b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001127.html @@ -0,0 +1,131 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010130919.18267.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001129.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001130.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010130919.18267.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 10:19:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001130.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1127">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1127">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1127">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1127">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:52:58 Tux99 wrote: +><i> Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:42 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install +</I>><i> > legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are not +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How do you expect Mageia to verify each single package to make sure it +</I>><i> complies with the laws in ALL countries of the world? +</I> +So, because we can't comply with all laws in all coutnries, we should violate +everyone we possibly can? + +><i> Mageia should make sure that the packages comply with French law, but +</I>><i> that's it. +</I> +If Mageia wants mirrors in countries with strong IP protection laws (including +copyright, software patent) and anti-circumvention laws, then IMHO, there does +need to be a split, so mirror maintainers can decide which risks they can +accept. + +For example, in the DMCA case, I believe US mirrors hosting libdvdcss could be +vulnerable. + +><i> You can still install Mageia and then remove the packages that are +</I>><i> problematic in your country, I very much doubt your laws are that +</I>><i> draconian that you can't even do that. +</I>><i> Mageia could include an option during install to exclude the well-known +</I>><i> problematic packages from installation to make this easier for people that +</I>><i> live in countries with restrictive laws. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > When I install Mandriva Free for people, I will let them know where the +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > PLF repos are and the files needed and they install these themselves. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is a major hassle for new/inexperienced users and IMHO should be +</I>><i> avoided. +</I> +Maybe it can be improved *to some extent*, by asking the user if they want to +add additional repositories. + +><i> > If Mageia packages include unlicensed software and codecs, the Mageia +</I>><i> > brand may be held legally responsible for marketing software in +</I>><i> > countries where the laws do not permit this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is nonsense, Mageia can only be held responsible in France based on +</I>><i> French law (as long as Mageia isn't planning subsidiaries in outher +</I>><i> countries, which IMHO is unlikely and completely unnecessary for a +</I>><i> non-profit association). +</I> +Anssi discussed various reasons packages aren't in Main or Contrib in +Mandriva, and you devolve this discussion to be purely about software patents. +However, the issues are: + +-non-free software for which we have no re-distribution license (e.g. Flash, +we may be able to request a license, but most likely it would not allow Mageia +to distribute a distribution license to 3rd parties - specifically mirrors). + +-free software which violates anti-circumvention or other copyright protection +laws (e.g. libdvdcss, libaacs, libbdplus etc.) + +-free software which infringes software patents + +Let's discuss the first two issues as well, as they can't be dismissed, and +put real risk to anyone distributing the software (magazines, mirrors, sites +selling DVDs) + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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It +</I>><i> installed repos where the available software that most users would need was +</I>><i> made available, but this again was by user choice. +</I> +I don't really see how this would "fix" the issue; by using a +third-party repository (plf or through easy urpmi) you just move the +concerns to another provider: + - if the user is liable anyway, having a single or several providers +doesn't matter; + - if the user is not liable anyway, having several providers only +moves the liability from one provider to the other one. + +This particular point, about _patented_ software is a tricky one +indeed. Dealing with local/international laws is tricky. Especially +when both change over time. + +However, first point is not to mix different issues here: + - supported software and not-supported (and what means "supported") + - free vs. non-free/proprietary software (as in FSF/OSI definitions) + - gratis vs. paid software + - for non-free software, distribution/usage cases may be tricky +(skype, opera for instance) + - software implementation/distribution that violates/have to comply +specific laws (encryption, DRMs) + - for patented software/methods, implementation/distribution/usage +cases are tricky as well (a patent may or may not block you from using +the method, depends on who holds the patent and for what purpose). + - maybe more with more details; Anssi pretty much defined categories +in his first message here. + +We definitely can't say bluntly "let's ignore all laws because we +can't enforce them all". We must define our policies for what goes in +Mageia repositories, what stays out, what goes out (and why). These +policies must align with (and be part of) Mageia values and direction. + + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001139.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001137.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1128">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1128">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1128">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1128">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001129.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001129.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a7c7ac54f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001129.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9486p%24ten%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001119.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001127.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9486p%24ten%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 14:20:40 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1129">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1129">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1129">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1129">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Fernando Parra wrote: + +><i> (Finally, it would not be as strict versions of certain components. If, +</I>><i> for example morning out mageia 2010 (for instance) and the day after +</I>><i> Firefox 4.0 comes out, you do not run the 3.6.x version with all the +</I>><i> time,) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's very clear, these users are trying to say: "We want a different +</I>><i> model, but we want a stable distro" +</I> +As we have been saying over and over again, this only indicates zero +knowledge of backports repositories. + +We should publicize more Backports. + + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1129">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1129">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1129">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1129">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001130.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001130.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..76b28fb9d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001130.html @@ -0,0 +1,153 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010131534.47023.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001127.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001132.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010131534.47023.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 15:34:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1130">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1130">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1130">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1130">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 10:19:17, Buchan Milne a écrit : +><i> On Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:52:58 Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> > Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:42 +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install +</I>><i> > > legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are not +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > How do you expect Mageia to verify each single package to make sure it +</I>><i> > complies with the laws in ALL countries of the world? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, because we can't comply with all laws in all coutnries, we should +</I>><i> violate everyone we possibly can? +</I> +Because we can't be aware of all laws in all countries, we should do nothing ? +(after all that's the best way to break no law at all !) + +><i> +</I>><i> > Mageia should make sure that the packages comply with French law, but +</I>><i> > that's it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If Mageia wants mirrors in countries with strong IP protection laws +</I>><i> (including copyright, software patent) and anti-circumvention laws, then +</I>><i> IMHO, there does need to be a split, so mirror maintainers can decide +</I>><i> which risks they can accept. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For example, in the DMCA case, I believe US mirrors hosting libdvdcss could +</I>><i> be vulnerable. +</I> +There are mirrors of plf in USA, there is at least one mirror of ArchLinux in +USA that provides libdvdcss, there is at least one mirror of Linux Mint in the +USA that provides libdvdcss, there is PCLinuxOS based in USA (Texas ?) that +provides libdvdcss + +VLC is available in USA to download (cnet.com) and VLC provides its own lib +for decoding (and coding) multimedia files (and from what i know, windows +binaries come with libdvdcss) + +><i> +</I>><i> > You can still install Mageia and then remove the packages that are +</I>><i> > problematic in your country, I very much doubt your laws are that +</I>><i> > draconian that you can't even do that. +</I>><i> > Mageia could include an option during install to exclude the well-known +</I>><i> > problematic packages from installation to make this easier for people +</I>><i> > that live in countries with restrictive laws. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > When I install Mandriva Free for people, I will let them know where the +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > PLF repos are and the files needed and they install these themselves. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This is a major hassle for new/inexperienced users and IMHO should be +</I>><i> > avoided. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe it can be improved *to some extent*, by asking the user if they want +</I>><i> to add additional repositories. +</I> +We cannot ask users to add third-part repos. We have discussing about Mageia +repos, policies of third-part repos should not be in our discussion. + +><i> +</I>><i> > > If Mageia packages include unlicensed software and codecs, the Mageia +</I>><i> > > brand may be held legally responsible for marketing software in +</I>><i> > > countries where the laws do not permit this. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This is nonsense, Mageia can only be held responsible in France based on +</I>><i> > French law (as long as Mageia isn't planning subsidiaries in outher +</I>><i> > countries, which IMHO is unlikely and completely unnecessary for a +</I>><i> > non-profit association). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anssi discussed various reasons packages aren't in Main or Contrib in +</I>><i> Mandriva, and you devolve this discussion to be purely about software +</I>><i> patents. However, the issues are: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -non-free software for which we have no re-distribution license (e.g. +</I>><i> Flash, we may be able to request a license, but most likely it would not +</I>><i> allow Mageia to distribute a distribution license to 3rd parties - +</I>><i> specifically mirrors). +</I> +The question of non-free softwares is simple. Either Mageia can add them on a +non-free repos, either it cannot. + +The problem is around free softwares (free as free speech) that may violate IP +and that is depending of local laws. There are also free softwares that may +violate local laws (cryptography, rules for exportation for example). About +the latter question, OpenBSD is established in Canada to avoid some US rules +about exportation + +><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Buchan +</I> +Olivier +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1130">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1130">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1130">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1130">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001131.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001131.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..252f299f2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001131.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94d3s%24j9r%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001132.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001133.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94d3s%24j9r%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 15:44:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1131">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1131">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1131">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1131">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré wrote: + +><i> I think pre-selected Country installs would just be too hard to +</I>><i> coordinate, laws change. Free and non-free is pretty simple. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> ++1 + +My thoughts exactly. + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1131">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1131">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1131">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1131">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001132.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001132.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0a5a5c632 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001132.html @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimgTjv9ZMfhWfAkKL7zLK_iq-AxLAC-krcZnDrq%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001130.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001131.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimgTjv9ZMfhWfAkKL7zLK_iq-AxLAC-krcZnDrq%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 15:47:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001130.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1132">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1132">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1132">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1132">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 13 October 2010 15:34, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 10:19:17, Buchan Milne a écrit : +</I>>><i> On Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:52:58 Tux99 wrote: +</I>>><i> > Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:42 +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > > Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install +</I>>><i> > > legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are not +</I>>><i> > > +</I>>><i> > > installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > How do you expect Mageia to verify each single package to make sure it +</I>>><i> > complies with the laws in ALL countries of the world? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So, because we can't comply with all laws in all coutnries, we should +</I>>><i> violate everyone we possibly can? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Because we can't be aware of all laws in all countries, we should do nothing ? +</I>><i> (after all that's the best way to break no law at all !) +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > Mageia should make sure that the packages comply with French law, but +</I>>><i> > that's it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If Mageia wants mirrors in countries with strong IP protection laws +</I>>><i> (including copyright, software patent) and anti-circumvention laws, then +</I>>><i> IMHO, there does need to be a split, so mirror maintainers can decide +</I>>><i> which risks they can accept. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For example, in the DMCA case, I believe US mirrors hosting libdvdcss could +</I>>><i> be vulnerable. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There are mirrors of plf in USA, there is at least one mirror of ArchLinux in +</I>><i> USA that provides libdvdcss, there is at least one mirror of Linux Mint in the +</I>><i> USA that provides libdvdcss, there is PCLinuxOS based in USA (Texas ?) that +</I>><i> provides libdvdcss +</I>><i> +</I>><i> VLC is available in USA to download (cnet.com) and VLC provides its own lib +</I>><i> for decoding (and coding) multimedia files (and from what i know, windows +</I>><i> binaries come with libdvdcss) +</I>><i> +</I> +There's a difference between "they can't be sued out of their homes" +and "they can be sued, just no one's done it yet". As with any legal +issues, it's always a CYA situation. + +>><i> +</I>>><i> > You can still install Mageia and then remove the packages that are +</I>>><i> > problematic in your country, I very much doubt your laws are that +</I>>><i> > draconian that you can't even do that. +</I>>><i> > Mageia could include an option during install to exclude the well-known +</I>>><i> > problematic packages from installation to make this easier for people +</I>>><i> > that live in countries with restrictive laws. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > > When I install Mandriva Free for people, I will let them know where the +</I>>><i> > > +</I>>><i> > > PLF repos are and the files needed and they install these themselves. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > This is a major hassle for new/inexperienced users and IMHO should be +</I>>><i> > avoided. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Maybe it can be improved *to some extent*, by asking the user if they want +</I>>><i> to add additional repositories. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We cannot ask users to add third-part repos. We have discussing about Mageia +</I>><i> repos, policies of third-part repos should not be in our discussion. +</I>><i> +</I> +If we want to ask users to add 3rd party repos, then 3rd party repos +are already a part of this discussion. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001130.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1132">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1132">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1132">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1132">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001133.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001133.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..880003de6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001133.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010131629.24919.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001131.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001134.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010131629.24919.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 16:29:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1133">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1133">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1133">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1133">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : +><i> Marc Paré wrote: +</I>><i> > I think pre-selected Country installs would just be too hard to +</I>><i> > coordinate, laws change. Free and non-free is pretty simple. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +1 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My thoughts exactly. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salut, +</I>><i> Sinner +</I> +Linux Mint provides an ISO without codec +<A HREF="http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php">http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php</A> +(btw some good ideas about ISO, like an OEM ISO). It nicely named +"linuxmint-9-gnome-usa-japan-i386.iso" which just focus on 2 countries ;-) + +What's just funny is that we looking for mirrors of Linux Mint, there : +<A HREF="http://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php">http://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php</A> several are located in USA, you can find a +company, yellowfiber located in Virginia (if i am not wrong, VA = Virginia) +with a legal contact in California, you can also find a mirror located in the +University of Tennessee, and both (and others in USA) provide all ISOs +(yellowfiber also provides a mirror for ArchLinux which contains libdvdcss) + +So companies, universities in USA provide softwares that we are here +discussing if we can ship or not (and i don't want to insist, but Mageia.org +is not located in USA). Maybe they are more aware of laws than we are, or are +they taking too much risks ? + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1133">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1133">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1133">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1133">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001134.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001134.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e66a48ef2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001134.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D2fAxLLONzsQnO2tD33qVCbqG%2B%2BXt7%2BAjB_T4Y%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001133.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001136.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D2fAxLLONzsQnO2tD33qVCbqG%2B%2BXt7%2BAjB_T4Y%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 16:46:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1134">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1134">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1134">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1134">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 13 October 2010 16:29, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +><i> So companies, universities in USA provide softwares that we are here +</I>><i> discussing if we can ship or not (and i don't want to insist, but Mageia.org +</I>><i> is not located in USA). Maybe they are more aware of laws than we are, or are +</I>><i> they taking too much risks ? +</I> +They obviously are not aware of such issues. +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1134">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1134">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1134">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1134">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001135.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001135.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1421962c4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001135.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB5C6EE.5080306%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001125.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001139.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB5C6EE.5080306%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 16:49:18 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001139.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1135">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1135">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1135">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1135">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Tux99 a écrit : +><i> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, openssl, pgp, +</I>>>><i> and even https support in any browser. +</I>>>><i> Does that seems reasonable to you? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> You need to face it, it would be impossible to make a distro that is legal +</I>>>><i> in every country of the world and at the same time is of any use to the +</I>>>><i> users. +</I>>>><i> Therefore I don't see the need why we should comply with US patent laws +</I>>>><i> when we don't comply with for example Chinese encryption laws. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> All of your points are exactly what I am trying to point out and even +</I>>><i> reinforce my concerns. These are all true. This is why, in my opinion, +</I>>><i> the Mageia distro should not be installing all of these controversial +</I>>><i> software packages by default. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Are you seriously suggesting Mageia should produce a distro without ssh, +</I>><i> openssl and even with all browsers stripped of https support? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can imagine how popular that would be with the majority of users... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> This would then remove that layer of liability from the Mageia +</I>>><i> project group. In my opinion, Mageia should be wary in wanting to +</I>>><i> install a fully functioning distro if this means using software packages +</I>>><i> that may get it into trouble (Mageia itself). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> But here lies the mistake in your reasoning. Mageia doesn't have to +</I>><i> exclude all those packages, since the only liability Mageia has, is +</I>><i> towards the French laws. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So the sensible choice is to base the choice of packages to include on +</I>><i> French law. It is up to the user to make sure he/she only installs and +</I>><i> uses packages that are legal in his/her country. +</I>><i> +</I> +Excuse me if I'm wrong -- but you seem to be arguing at cross purposes. +Marc says don't install codecs by default, and Tux99 (and many others) +say codecs must be included in the distro so the user can choose to +install them. +Simple solution - include them in the distro, but not installed by default. +Where is the problem ? + +To make things easier, maybe we should put seriously threatened software +in the non-free section ? (I mean software which is *known* to have +problems, not those just *rumoured* to have.) +In any case, I would certainly avoid excluding useful codecs from the +distribution ISOs. + +By the way, it is not only what is permitted in France, but also what is +permitted in the countries where the mirrors are hosted. Here in +Canada, there is (no longer) a mirror for Mandriva, so the nearest +Mandriva mirrors are in the U.S. + +A few years back, the U.S. restricted severely encryption, unlike in +Canada and most of the rest of the world. So to have normal encryption +with Mozilla software, we in Canada had to download Mozilla from Europe, +since there were at that time no mirrors for Mozilla in Canada. Luckily +the U.S. no longer has such restrictions. +Having to download an entire distro from Europe would be much more +problematic. +So it is useful to consider the laws in likely mirror locations. +For North America, Canada is always a good choice :) + +my 2 cents:) + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001139.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1135">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1135">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1135">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1135">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001136.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001136.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2c579b920 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001136.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94gu0%248u7%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001134.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001138.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94gu0%248u7%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 16:49:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001138.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1136">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1136">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1136">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1136">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 10:29, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : +</I>>><i> Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>>><i> I think pre-selected Country installs would just be too hard to +</I>>>><i> coordinate, laws change. Free and non-free is pretty simple. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +1 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> My thoughts exactly. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Salut, +</I>>><i> Sinner +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Linux Mint provides an ISO without codec +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php">http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php</A> +</I>><i> (btw some good ideas about ISO, like an OEM ISO). It nicely named +</I>><i> "linuxmint-9-gnome-usa-japan-i386.iso" which just focus on 2 countries ;-) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What's just funny is that we looking for mirrors of Linux Mint, there : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php">http://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php</A> several are located in USA, you can find a +</I>><i> company, yellowfiber located in Virginia (if i am not wrong, VA = Virginia) +</I>><i> with a legal contact in California, you can also find a mirror located in the +</I>><i> University of Tennessee, and both (and others in USA) provide all ISOs +</I>><i> (yellowfiber also provides a mirror for ArchLinux which contains libdvdcss) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So companies, universities in USA provide softwares that we are here +</I>><i> discussing if we can ship or not (and i don't want to insist, but Mageia.org +</I>><i> is not located in USA). Maybe they are more aware of laws than we are, or are +</I>><i> they taking too much risks ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>><i> +</I> +Bonjour Olivier (from my side of the Atlantic) + + From what I can say from a couple of discussion list maintainers at +local universities, they are aware of the laws somewhat and are taking +risks (their rationale -- you can always ask for forgiveness after you +have done it). + +Re: Mint's OEM ISO -- I like this idea! + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001138.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1136">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1136">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1136">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1136">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001137.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001137.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6dc7a0b14 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001137.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB5C812.7060603%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001128.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001126.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB5C812.7060603%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 16:54:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001126.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1137">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1137">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1137">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1137">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 06:50, Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Let the user then assume that responsibility/liability. +</I>>><i> This is where, I consider the "easy urpmi" served its purpose well. It +</I>>><i> installed repos where the available software that most users would need was +</I>>><i> made available, but this again was by user choice. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I don't really see how this would "fix" the issue; by using a +</I>><i> third-party repository (plf or through easy urpmi) you just move the +</I>><i> concerns to another provider: +</I>><i> - if the user is liable anyway, having a single or several providers +</I>><i> doesn't matter; +</I>><i> - if the user is not liable anyway, having several providers only +</I>><i> moves the liability from one provider to the other one. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This particular point, about _patented_ software is a tricky one +</I>><i> indeed. Dealing with local/international laws is tricky. Especially +</I>><i> when both change over time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, first point is not to mix different issues here: +</I>><i> - supported software and not-supported (and what means "supported") +</I>><i> - free vs. non-free/proprietary software (as in FSF/OSI definitions) +</I>><i> - gratis vs. paid software +</I>><i> - for non-free software, distribution/usage cases may be tricky +</I>><i> (skype, opera for instance) +</I>><i> - software implementation/distribution that violates/have to comply +</I>><i> specific laws (encryption, DRMs) +</I>><i> - for patented software/methods, implementation/distribution/usage +</I>><i> cases are tricky as well (a patent may or may not block you from using +</I>><i> the method, depends on who holds the patent and for what purpose). +</I>><i> - maybe more with more details; Anssi pretty much defined categories +</I>><i> in his first message here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We definitely can't say bluntly "let's ignore all laws because we +</I>><i> can't enforce them all". We must define our policies for what goes in +</I>><i> Mageia repositories, what stays out, what goes out (and why). These +</I>><i> policies must align with (and be part of) Mageia values and direction. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I>A good summary of the issues involved + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001126.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1137">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1137">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1137">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1137">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001138.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001138.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6cd3ddfe7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001138.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010131658.51078.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001136.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001140.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010131658.51078.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 16:58:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001140.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1138">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1138">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1138">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1138">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 16:49:35, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> Le 2010-10-13 10:29, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : +</I>><i> >> Marc Paré wrote: +</I>><i> >>> I think pre-selected Country installs would just be too hard to +</I>><i> >>> coordinate, laws change. Free and non-free is pretty simple. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> Marc +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> +1 +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> My thoughts exactly. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Salut, +</I>><i> >> Sinner +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Linux Mint provides an ISO without codec +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php">http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php</A> +</I>><i> > (btw some good ideas about ISO, like an OEM ISO). It nicely named +</I>><i> > "linuxmint-9-gnome-usa-japan-i386.iso" which just focus on 2 countries +</I>><i> > ;-) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > What's just funny is that we looking for mirrors of Linux Mint, there : +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php">http://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php</A> several are located in USA, you can find +</I>><i> > a company, yellowfiber located in Virginia (if i am not wrong, VA = +</I>><i> > Virginia) with a legal contact in California, you can also find a mirror +</I>><i> > located in the University of Tennessee, and both (and others in USA) +</I>><i> > provide all ISOs (yellowfiber also provides a mirror for ArchLinux which +</I>><i> > contains libdvdcss) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So companies, universities in USA provide softwares that we are here +</I>><i> > discussing if we can ship or not (and i don't want to insist, but +</I>><i> > Mageia.org is not located in USA). Maybe they are more aware of laws +</I>><i> > than we are, or are they taking too much risks ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Olivier +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Bonjour Olivier (from my side of the Atlantic) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> From what I can say from a couple of discussion list maintainers at +</I>><i> local universities, they are aware of the laws somewhat and are taking +</I>><i> risks (their rationale -- you can always ask for forgiveness after you +</I>><i> have done it). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Re: Mint's OEM ISO -- I like this idea! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +So they take risk being aware (and also being in USA), i then think Mageia +should provide codec and related tools (moreover being outside of USA) since +risk is much lower (and we can also produce an ISO without those codecs) + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001140.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1138">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1138">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1138">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1138">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001139.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001139.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3466c127c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001139.html @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94hm0%24cku%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001135.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001128.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94hm0%24cku%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 17:02:23 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1139">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1139">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1139">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1139">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 10:49, andré a écrit : +><i> Tux99 a écrit : +</I>>><i> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Le 2010-10-12 22:04, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> According to your logic that would mean we can't include ssh, +</I>>>>><i> openssl, pgp, +</I>>>>><i> and even https support in any browser. +</I>>>>><i> Does that seems reasonable to you? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> You need to face it, it would be impossible to make a distro that is +</I>>>>><i> legal +</I>>>>><i> in every country of the world and at the same time is of any use to the +</I>>>>><i> users. +</I>>>>><i> Therefore I don't see the need why we should comply with US patent laws +</I>>>>><i> when we don't comply with for example Chinese encryption laws. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> All of your points are exactly what I am trying to point out and even +</I>>>><i> reinforce my concerns. These are all true. This is why, in my opinion, +</I>>>><i> the Mageia distro should not be installing all of these controversial +</I>>>><i> software packages by default. +</I>>><i> Are you seriously suggesting Mageia should produce a distro without ssh, +</I>>><i> openssl and even with all browsers stripped of https support? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I can imagine how popular that would be with the majority of users... +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This would then remove that layer of liability from the Mageia +</I>>>><i> project group. In my opinion, Mageia should be wary in wanting to +</I>>>><i> install a fully functioning distro if this means using software packages +</I>>>><i> that may get it into trouble (Mageia itself). +</I>>><i> But here lies the mistake in your reasoning. Mageia doesn't have to +</I>>><i> exclude all those packages, since the only liability Mageia has, is +</I>>><i> towards the French laws. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So the sensible choice is to base the choice of packages to include on +</I>>><i> French law. It is up to the user to make sure he/she only installs and +</I>>><i> uses packages that are legal in his/her country. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Excuse me if I'm wrong -- but you seem to be arguing at cross purposes. +</I>><i> Marc says don't install codecs by default, and Tux99 (and many others) +</I>><i> say codecs must be included in the distro so the user can choose to +</I>><i> install them. +</I>><i> Simple solution - include them in the distro, but not installed by default. +</I>><i> Where is the problem ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To make things easier, maybe we should put seriously threatened software +</I>><i> in the non-free section ? (I mean software which is *known* to have +</I>><i> problems, not those just *rumoured* to have.) +</I>><i> In any case, I would certainly avoid excluding useful codecs from the +</I>><i> distribution ISOs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> By the way, it is not only what is permitted in France, but also what is +</I>><i> permitted in the countries where the mirrors are hosted. Here in Canada, +</I>><i> there is (no longer) a mirror for Mandriva, so the nearest Mandriva +</I>><i> mirrors are in the U.S. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A few years back, the U.S. restricted severely encryption, unlike in +</I>><i> Canada and most of the rest of the world. So to have normal encryption +</I>><i> with Mozilla software, we in Canada had to download Mozilla from Europe, +</I>><i> since there were at that time no mirrors for Mozilla in Canada. Luckily +</I>><i> the U.S. no longer has such restrictions. +</I>><i> Having to download an entire distro from Europe would be much more +</I>><i> problematic. +</I>><i> So it is useful to consider the laws in likely mirror locations. +</I>><i> For North America, Canada is always a good choice :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my 2 cents:) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, all of this would be a fine middle ground in my opinion. + +Re: Canadian repos -- U. of Sherbrook (Québec, Canada) dropped the +Mandriva mirrors for unknown reason (I suspect that the person who had a +personal interest in maintaining these just moved on). I was however +pleasantly surprised to see that U. of Waterloo offering the Mandriva +KDE 4.5.0 updates on their servers. We may be able to convince them to +mirror the Mageia project on their servers. I may be able to help as I +live in Wateloo (no contacts at the U. of Waterloo though), more at the +other university Wilfrid Laurier. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1139">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1139">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1139">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1139">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001140.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001140.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8eb9771d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001140.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94hqj%24cku%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001138.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001141.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94hqj%24cku%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 17:04:51 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001138.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001141.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1140">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1140">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1140">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1140">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 10:58, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 16:49:35, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>>><i> Le 2010-10-13 10:29, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>>><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> I think pre-selected Country installs would just be too hard to +</I>>>>>><i> coordinate, laws change. Free and non-free is pretty simple. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Marc +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +1 +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> My thoughts exactly. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Salut, +</I>>>>><i> Sinner +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Linux Mint provides an ISO without codec +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php">http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php</A> +</I>>>><i> (btw some good ideas about ISO, like an OEM ISO). It nicely named +</I>>>><i> "linuxmint-9-gnome-usa-japan-i386.iso" which just focus on 2 countries +</I>>>><i> ;-) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What's just funny is that we looking for mirrors of Linux Mint, there : +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php">http://linuxmint.com/mirrors.php</A> several are located in USA, you can find +</I>>>><i> a company, yellowfiber located in Virginia (if i am not wrong, VA = +</I>>>><i> Virginia) with a legal contact in California, you can also find a mirror +</I>>>><i> located in the University of Tennessee, and both (and others in USA) +</I>>>><i> provide all ISOs (yellowfiber also provides a mirror for ArchLinux which +</I>>>><i> contains libdvdcss) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So companies, universities in USA provide softwares that we are here +</I>>>><i> discussing if we can ship or not (and i don't want to insist, but +</I>>>><i> Mageia.org is not located in USA). Maybe they are more aware of laws +</I>>>><i> than we are, or are they taking too much risks ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Olivier +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Bonjour Olivier (from my side of the Atlantic) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> From what I can say from a couple of discussion list maintainers at +</I>>><i> local universities, they are aware of the laws somewhat and are taking +</I>>><i> risks (their rationale -- you can always ask for forgiveness after you +</I>>><i> have done it). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Re: Mint's OEM ISO -- I like this idea! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So they take risk being aware (and also being in USA), i then think Mageia +</I>><i> should provide codec and related tools (moreover being outside of USA) since +</I>><i> risk is much lower (and we can also produce an ISO without those codecs) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>><i> +</I> +Sorry, I am speaking from a Canadian perspective. 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Free and non-free is pretty simple. +</I> +My tuppence worth: +Mageia should not distribute non-Free code. However, Mageia could +provide a wizard to enable users to easily install audio and video +codecs and utilities from online repositories at Zarb.org. That way, it +is the responsibility of the user to check his own legal status. + +The Mandriva install system does not make it easy enough. It requires +that a user figure out which codecs and stuff he needs, which is a kind +of a black art. I have done it many times, but it is painful. + + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001140.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001142.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1141">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1141">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1141">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1141">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001142.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001142.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5d6f7fe0e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001142.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94n42%248sp%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001141.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001144.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94n42%248sp%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 18:35:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001141.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1142">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1142">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1142">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1142">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 12:14, herman a écrit : +>><i> Le 2010-10-13 10:58, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>>><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 16:49:35, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> Le 2010-10-13 10:29, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>>>>><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 15:44:27, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : +</I>>>>>>><i> Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>>>>>>><i> I think pre-selected Country installs would just be too hard to +</I>>>>>>>><i> coordinate, laws change. Free and non-free is pretty simple. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My tuppence worth: +</I>><i> Mageia should not distribute non-Free code. However, Mageia could +</I>><i> provide a wizard to enable users to easily install audio and video +</I>><i> codecs and utilities from online repositories at Zarb.org. That way, it +</I>><i> is the responsibility of the user to check his own legal status. +</I>><i> +</I> +However, in this case, Mageia would be complicit in the installation +process. IMHO, I think that if the information on how/where to get the +information on how to install these missing pieces were available to the +user, this would be a safer legal route. + +><i> The Mandriva install system does not make it easy enough. It requires +</I>><i> that a user figure out which codecs and stuff he needs, which is a kind +</I>><i> of a black art. I have done it many times, but it is painful. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, I have always seen this as a communication problem from the +Mandriva documentation. However, it did fit the "at arm's length" legal +definition of the installation of these pieces of software. That is to +mean that Mandriva, in this case, was not complicit in the installation +of that particular software. It was clearly a user decision to install them. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001141.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1142">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1142">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1142">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1142">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001143.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001143.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..72b4ad139 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001143.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB5E51B.6060709%40arcor.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001157.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001145.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Florian Hubold</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB5E51B.6060709%40arcor.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">doktor5000 at arcor.de + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 18:58:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001157.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001145.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1143">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1143">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1143">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1143">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> Am 12.10.2010 17:02, schrieb Anssi Hannula: +><i> Hi all! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we +</I>><i> should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? +</I>My 2 cents: + +Generally i would like to avoid a seperation like main/contrib in mandriva, +but it would be nice to differentiate between free/non-free, this may not +be done through seperate repos, but with some packaging magic like added +metadata or some other dirty tricks ;) so that it is possible to have +a free/libre install out-of-the box, asking during installation. + +Or maybe always do a free/libre default install, and afterwards on the first +boot with mageia, and after having set up repos, give the user the choice +to have all codecs/multimedia stuff automatically installed by a package +task-multimedia-magic, but presenting him an overview what that choice +could mean: patent infringement, dmca-like stuff and so on. + +So every user gets a free/libre default install, but automatically the +choice to be able to play all sorts of multimedia files. + +Moreover what i think would be more important to not make something +like with Mandriva/PLF, so that users get these by default, but +maybe deactivated. + +There should be no bigger 3rd party repositories necessary, IMHO. +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001157.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001145.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1143">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1143">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1143">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1143">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001144.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001144.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a32349d8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001144.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinwPNXCLO0RBxyBgnWc3t7r5mgZadCzBaoUJUrT%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001142.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001146.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinwPNXCLO0RBxyBgnWc3t7r5mgZadCzBaoUJUrT%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 19:04:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001142.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1144">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1144">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1144">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1144">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/13 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Yes, I have always seen this as a communication problem from the Mandriva +</I>><i> documentation. However, it did fit the "at arm's length" legal definition of +</I>><i> the installation of these pieces of software. That is to mean that Mandriva, +</I>><i> in this case, was not complicit in the installation of that particular +</I>><i> software. It was clearly a user decision to install them. +</I> ++1 + +It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those +"dumb" users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the +new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation +process telling me that my hardware may need/use a non-free driver +which is available online. The text explains about the non-free status +in simple words and then I was asked if I wanted to activate this +non-free driver. +The same can be done with all that codec stuff. A window opens, +telling the user that he will need some special software to listen to +MP3s, watch his commercial DVDs, etc. The text explains in simple +words the legal implications which may or may not apply to his +country. After that he can decide with a simple mouse click on yes or +no or "ask later" (if he has no working internet connection at that +time. If he clicks on "activate", the needed software will be +downloaded and installed. If he clicks on "ask later" he will be asked +as soon as the script detects a working internet connection. +If he has selected "No" and still tries to open a commecrial DVD (or +whatever) the window ill appear again reminding him why he can't play +the DVD (or whatever). + +Face it: we do not have any other choice but leave it at the user's +decision. All we can do is make it simple if he chooses to bite the +bullet. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001142.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1144">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1144">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1144">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1144">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001145.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001145.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..40ea52778 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001145.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1286989734.18205.6.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001143.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001159.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1286989734.18205.6.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post)">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 19:08:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001159.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1145">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1145">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1145">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1145">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le samedi 09 octobre 2010 à 11:10 +0200, Renaud MICHEL a écrit : +><i> On samedi 09 octobre 2010 at 05:45, andré wrote : +</I>><i> > Note that configuration files that have been changed from the +</I>><i> > installation default are often already saved. (Generally ".old" is +</I>><i> > appended to the configuration file name, sometimes ".new" to the new +</I>><i> > configuration file.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But here you are only talking about system-wide configuration files, which +</I>><i> are known of rpm as they are part of the package and marked as config files. +</I>><i> But what about user specific configuration files? +</I>><i> For the easy kind, where a program will have a single configuration file (or +</I>><i> dedicated directory), a pre-inst script could find it in the home of each +</I>><i> users and backup them. +</I> +touching /home is forbidden in %pre and %post per policy. + +1) you cannot be sure that every user are available ( ie, using +ldap/nis ) + +2) you cannot be sure that someone is not already using the +directory/config file ( ie, shared home by nfs, or multiuser system ) + +3) you cannot be sure that the home is mounted ( auto mounter based on +login, etc ) + + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001159.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1145">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1145">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1145">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1145">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001146.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001146.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9a64f29ee --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001146.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94p9e%24ji1%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001144.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001147.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94p9e%24ji1%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 19:12:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1146">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1146">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1146">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1146">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 13:04, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/13 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, I have always seen this as a communication problem from the Mandriva +</I>>><i> documentation. However, it did fit the "at arm's length" legal definition of +</I>>><i> the installation of these pieces of software. That is to mean that Mandriva, +</I>>><i> in this case, was not complicit in the installation of that particular +</I>>><i> software. It was clearly a user decision to install them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +1 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those +</I>><i> "dumb" users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the +</I>><i> new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation +</I>><i> process telling me that my hardware may need/use a non-free driver +</I>><i> which is available online. The text explains about the non-free status +</I>><i> in simple words and then I was asked if I wanted to activate this +</I>><i> non-free driver. +</I>><i> The same can be done with all that codec stuff. A window opens, +</I>><i> telling the user that he will need some special software to listen to +</I>><i> MP3s, watch his commercial DVDs, etc. The text explains in simple +</I>><i> words the legal implications which may or may not apply to his +</I>><i> country. After that he can decide with a simple mouse click on yes or +</I>><i> no or "ask later" (if he has no working internet connection at that +</I>><i> time. If he clicks on "activate", the needed software will be +</I>><i> downloaded and installed. If he clicks on "ask later" he will be asked +</I>><i> as soon as the script detects a working internet connection. +</I>><i> If he has selected "No" and still tries to open a commecrial DVD (or +</I>><i> whatever) the window ill appear again reminding him why he can't play +</I>><i> the DVD (or whatever). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Face it: we do not have any other choice but leave it at the user's +</I>><i> decision. All we can do is make it simple if he chooses to bite the +</I>><i> bullet. +</I>><i> +</I> +This sounds like a good alternative also. I like this method too! The +user is always in control. + +This thread is actually good in getting different scenarios of +implementing "legally grey" software packages. Maybe someone will take +notes of the different methods that could be used to deliver these type +of software packages and then the devs or the higher ups will obviously +make the final decision after considering all of these "delivery" methods. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1146">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1146">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1146">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1146">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001147.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001147.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e8a44195 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001147.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB5EBA4.6070107%40arcor.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001146.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001154.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Florian Hubold</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB5EBA4.6070107%40arcor.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">doktor5000 at arcor.de + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 19:25:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1147">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1147">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1147">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1147">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> Am 13.10.2010 19:04, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +><i> +</I>><i> The same can be done with all that codec stuff. A window opens, +</I>><i> telling the user that he will need some special software to listen to +</I>><i> MP3s, watch his commercial DVDs, etc. The text explains in simple +</I>><i> words the legal implications which may or may not apply to his +</I>><i> country. After that he can decide with a simple mouse click on yes or +</I>><i> no or "ask later" (if he has no working internet connection at that +</I>><i> time. If he clicks on "activate", the needed software will be +</I>><i> downloaded and installed. If he clicks on "ask later" he will be asked +</I>><i> as soon as the script detects a working internet connection. +</I>><i> If he has selected "No" and still tries to open a commecrial DVD (or +</I>><i> whatever) the window ill appear again reminding him why he can't play +</I>><i> the DVD (or whatever). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Face it: we do not have any other choice but leave it at the user's +</I>><i> decision. All we can do is make it simple if he chooses to bite the +</I>><i> bullet. +</I>That's exactly what i meant, just expressed a little better :) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1147">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1147">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1147">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1147">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001148.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001148.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..27b25e7f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001148.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286991104.18205.32.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001160.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001149.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286991104.18205.32.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 19:31:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001160.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1148">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1148">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1148">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1148">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : + +><i> > +</I>><i> > == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What's in etc ? +</I>><i> However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>><i> Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that the +</I>><i> law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception of +</I>><i> circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words the use +</I>><i> of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for interoperability +</I> +And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? + +Shall we forget them ? + +><i> About codec, you may know that VLC is based in France and hosts some projects +</I>><i> useful for interoperability. Since the start of the project in 1996, i don't +</I>><i> remember VLC being sued for such projects. So let's provide codec by default +</I>><i> with Mageia for a better "user experience" :) +</I> +"no one has been sued yet" is not a real argument. + +No one sued mplayer developers for distributing binary copyrighted +codecs. No one sued <A HREF="http://www.dll-files.com/">http://www.dll-files.com/</A> , despites distributing +windows dlls. + +Yet, what they do is a clear violation of various copyright treaties. + +So no, the fact that no one has been sued is not a reason to do the +same. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001160.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1148">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1148">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1148">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1148">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001149.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001149.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ce852f500 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001149.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010132006.36475.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001148.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001151.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010132006.36475.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 20:06:36 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1149">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1149">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1149">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1149">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> > > == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > What's in etc ? +</I>><i> > However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>><i> > Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that +</I>><i> > the law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception +</I>><i> > of circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words +</I>><i> > the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> > So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>><i> > interoperability +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? +</I> +It's their own responsability, no one force them, and some in the world take +the responsability to host mirrors with questionnable software. Let's give +them the liberty to choose as we have the opportunity here in France to ship +such software. No one forces several company, university, or other groups to +mirror ArchLinux, PCLinuxOS, LinuxMint, PLF + +><i> +</I>><i> Shall we forget them ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > About codec, you may know that VLC is based in France and hosts some +</I>><i> > projects useful for interoperability. Since the start of the project in +</I>><i> > 1996, i don't remember VLC being sued for such projects. So let's +</I>><i> > provide codec by default with Mageia for a better "user experience" :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "no one has been sued yet" is not a real argument. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No one sued mplayer developers for distributing binary copyrighted +</I>><i> codecs. No one sued <A HREF="http://www.dll-files.com/">http://www.dll-files.com/</A> , despites distributing +</I>><i> windows dlls. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yet, what they do is a clear violation of various copyright treaties. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So no, the fact that no one has been sued is not a reason to do the +</I>><i> same. +</I> +If no one has been sued yet is not a real argument, that's not a reason to +live under FUD, to do nothing fearing that maybe in the future there would be +a trial. + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1149">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1149">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1149">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1149">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001150.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001150.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8888e05dc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001150.html @@ -0,0 +1,184 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286994121.18205.84.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001156.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286994121.18205.84.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 20:22:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1150">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1150">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1150">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1150">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> Hi all! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we +</I>><i> should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post, +</I>><i> only about the basic sectioning and packages in those. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some points to consider (I've written my opinion in ones where I have one): +</I>><i> +</I>><i> == Do we want a separated core repository? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse +</I>><i> Separated core: Mandriva (main), Ubuntu (main), Arch (Core) +</I> +How do we decide what would be in core ? + + +><i> == How are the sections named? :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think I'm in favor of renaming 'contrib' to 'extra'. +</I> ++1, if we decide to keep contrib + + +><i> == Where do firmware without license go (DVB, V4L, etc)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To unsupported non-free repository: Ubuntu (multiverse) [1], +</I>><i> To unsupported repository without binary packages: Arch (AUR) +</I>><i> Nowhere: Debian, Fedora, Opensuse, Mandriva +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess for this one I'd prefer a helper draktool to handle/download these +</I>><i> instead of shipping them ourselves. +</I> +If there is no licence, I would say "Nowhere". This is just illegal +under most country laws, despites likely to be uneforced by +rightholders. So, even if I think the legal risk is low, I would say +"no" because this is a question of free software ethics more than laws. + +><i> +</I>><i> == What about patents? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Almost no software with patents: Fedora, Opensuse +</I>><i> - Essentially no media codecs except theora/vorbis/ogg/vp8 etc. +</I>><i> - Strange exception: libXft, Cairo and Qt4 are shipped with LCD filtering +</I>><i> support enabled, even if it is disabled in freetype +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No software with enforced patents: Debian +</I>><i> - not included (at least): x264 (encoder), lame mp3 (encoder) +</I>><i> - included (at least): MPEG/x decoders, H.264 decoders, MP3 decoders, +</I>><i> AAC decoders, AMR decoders, DTS decoders, AC3 decoders, +</I>><i> WMV/WMA decoders, realvideo decoders, etc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some software covered by patents not included: Mandriva +</I>><i> - see below for more information +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All software covered by patents allowed: Arch, Ubuntu +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IMO we should alter our policy to match either Fedora, Debian or Ubuntu.. The +</I>><i> Mandriva policy makes no sense (for example, no AAC decoder but yes for H.264 +</I>><i> decoder and MPEG-4 encoder?). +</I>><i> I'm really not sure which way we should go, though. WDYT? +</I> +I would go the Debian way. +Ubuntu and Fedora are tied to companies, and Debian is not, so their +policies are likely more adapted to our own model. + +Debian way seems to be more pragmatic that Ubuntu/Fedora on that matter. + +><i> == Do we allow P2P file transfer software? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes: Arch, Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu +</I>><i> No, except torrents: Mandriva +</I>><i> Unknown, at least torrents allowed: Opensuse +</I> +I would say "yes". The reason of the rule in Mandriva was unclear and +not justified, IMHO. + +Afaik, it was just "there is lots of lawsuits going on this, let's +forbid it". Maybe if someone can get in touch with Lenny, he can explain +us, but I think this was not baked by anything. + +><i> +</I>><i> == And gaming emulators? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Allowed: Arch, Debian, Ubuntu +</I>><i> Mostly no, but at least fuse-emulator is shipped: Fedora +</I>><i> Unknown, but lots of them are in OBS 'Emulators' project (unofficial but in +</I>><i> official mirrors): Opensuse +</I>><i> No, but at least zsnes is shipped: Mandriva +</I> +Well, why separate gamin emulator from regular emulator ? + +The legal risk is near zero in both case, given the few cases since 10 +years. Sony lost the lawsuit against Bleem +( <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!</A> ), and again Connectix +( <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Game_Station">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Game_Station</A> ). + +The only recent case I can think of is when Nintendo asked to Youtube +and Apple to remove a application that looked like a DS. Given the speed +of Apple and Youtube to remove contents and software, we cannot consider +this as a legal basis for anything. + + +><i>From what I have seen, emulators are much likely to be dropped because +</I>they are unmaintained than others reasons. + +And Fedora rational about this +( <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Emulators">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Emulators</A> ) is IMHO +weak. I know people who play to the game they bought on their console, I +know people who play to game they developed, and we even have people who +ported linux ( like dslinux, but the site seems down ). + +So I would align on Debian policy ( and as the zsnes maintainer, I have +no idea of why it was allowed in contrib while the others one didn't ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1150">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1150">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1150">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1150">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001151.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001151.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..74d8847f8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001151.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286994190.18205.85.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001149.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001152.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286994190.18205.85.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 20:23:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1151">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1151">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1151">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1151">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> > > > == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > What's in etc ? +</I>><i> > > However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>><i> > > Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that +</I>><i> > > the law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception +</I>><i> > > of circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words +</I>><i> > > the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> > > So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>><i> > > interoperability +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's their own responsability, no one force them, and some in the world take +</I>><i> the responsability to host mirrors with questionnable software. Let's give +</I>><i> them the liberty to choose as we have the opportunity here in France to ship +</I>><i> such software. No one forces several company, university, or other groups to +</I>><i> mirror ArchLinux, PCLinuxOS, LinuxMint, PLF +</I> +So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace +ibiblio.org ? + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1151">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1151">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1151">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1151">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001152.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001152.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6c8ed5f4c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001152.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94tpq%248g8%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001151.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001153.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94tpq%248g8%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 20:29:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1152">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1152">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1152">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1152">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>><i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>>>><i> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>>>>><i> == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> What's in etc ? +</I>>>>><i> However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>>>>><i> Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that +</I>>>>><i> the law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception +</I>>>>><i> of circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words +</I>>>>><i> the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>>>>><i> So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>>>>><i> interoperability +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It's their own responsability, no one force them, and some in the world take +</I>>><i> the responsability to host mirrors with questionnable software. Let's give +</I>>><i> them the liberty to choose as we have the opportunity here in France to ship +</I>>><i> such software. No one forces several company, university, or other groups to +</I>>><i> mirror ArchLinux, PCLinuxOS, LinuxMint, PLF +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace +</I>><i> ibiblio.org ? +</I>><i> +</I> +I was actually going to approach a university in Canada this week about +mirroring but I think I will wait till this is sorted out. I don't +believe I could convince them if they read this thread. They would most +definitely have second thoughts. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1152">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1152">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1152">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1152">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001153.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001153.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..587523067 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001153.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286994855.18205.88.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001152.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001158.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286994855.18205.88.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 20:34:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001158.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1153">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1153">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1153">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1153">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 14:29 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> Le 2010-10-13 14:23, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> > Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 à 20:06 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> >> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 19:31:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> >>> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 17:53 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> >>>>> == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> What's in etc ? +</I>><i> >>>> However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>><i> >>>> Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that +</I>><i> >>>> the law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception +</I>><i> >>>> of circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words +</I>><i> >>>> the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> >>>> So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>><i> >>>> interoperability +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> And for the people hosting mirrors outside of France ? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> It's their own responsability, no one force them, and some in the world take +</I>><i> >> the responsability to host mirrors with questionnable software. Let's give +</I>><i> >> them the liberty to choose as we have the opportunity here in France to ship +</I>><i> >> such software. No one forces several company, university, or other groups to +</I>><i> >> mirror ArchLinux, PCLinuxOS, LinuxMint, PLF +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace +</I>><i> > ibiblio.org ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I was actually going to approach a university in Canada this week about +</I>><i> mirroring but I think I will wait till this is sorted out. I don't +</I>><i> believe I could convince them if they read this thread. They would most +</I>><i> definitely have second thoughts. +</I> +Well, then you can simply be clear with them and ask them to see their +boss/lawyers/whatever who can decide. + +After all, I do not see why no one directly asked to mirror admins +first. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001158.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1153">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1153">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1153">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1153">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001154.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001154.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a8097e6be --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001154.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94um5%24buh%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001147.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001157.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94um5%24buh%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 20:44:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001157.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1154">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1154">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1154">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1154">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath wrote: + +><i> It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those +</I>><i> "dumb" users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the +</I>><i> new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation +</I>><i> process telling me that my hardware may need/use a non-free driver +</I>><i> which is available online. The text explains about the non-free status +</I>><i> in simple words and then I was asked if I wanted to activate this +</I>><i> non-free driver. +</I>><i> The same can be done with all that codec stuff. A window opens, +</I>><i> telling the user that he will need some special software to listen to +</I>><i> MP3s, watch his commercial DVDs, etc. The text explains in simple +</I>><i> words the legal implications which may or may not apply to his +</I>><i> country. After that he can decide with a simple mouse click on yes or +</I>><i> no or "ask later" (if he has no working internet connection at that +</I>><i> time. If he clicks on "activate", the needed software will be +</I>><i> downloaded and installed. If he clicks on "ask later" he will be asked +</I>><i> as soon as the script detects a working internet connection. +</I>><i> If he has selected "No" and still tries to open a commecrial DVD (or +</I>><i> whatever) the window ill appear again reminding him why he can't play +</I>><i> the DVD (or whatever). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Face it: we do not have any other choice but leave it at the user's +</I>><i> decision. All we can do is make it simple if he chooses to bite the +</I>><i> bullet. +</I> +Wolfgang, + +Well done. Even I understood that. + +Mageia, as a foundation, will be separated form legal proceedings by passing +the burden of the decision to the end user, as a flexible way of +acknowledging that laws are not the same everywhere, and the end-user will +(should) be better informed than an automated script of what is allowed and +not. And if the end user decides to "break the law", it is the end user's +responsibility. + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001157.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1154">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1154">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1154">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1154">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001155.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001155.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dd68007fe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001155.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94uqq%24buh%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001158.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001156.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci94uqq%24buh%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 20:46:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001158.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1155">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1155">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1155">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1155">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer wrote: + +><i> So I assume that you volunteer to find another Tier 1 mirror to replace +</I>><i> ibiblio.org ? +</I> +I'm pretty sure ibiblio.org will host Mageia mirror. + +Salut, +Sinner + + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001158.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1155">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1155">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1155">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1155">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001156.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001156.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..03cda801a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001156.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinGsmv%3DV7jOQ7UvBhpe1eCmq2sVfZDvWewwZpkz%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001155.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001150.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinGsmv%3DV7jOQ7UvBhpe1eCmq2sVfZDvWewwZpkz%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">dglent at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 20:54:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001150.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1156">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1156">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1156">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1156">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>About codecs.... Codeina will be available in Mageia ? I find it very +comfortable for new and advanced users. + + + +-- +Dimitrios Glentadakis +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001150.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1156">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1156">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1156">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1156">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001157.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001157.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..89e203332 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001157.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9504u%24l4r%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001154.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001143.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9504u%24l4r%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 21:09:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1157">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1157">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1157">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1157">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 14:44, Sinner from the Prairy a écrit : +><i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> It's easy to communicate, it's easy to implement fitting even those +</I>>><i> "dumb" users some people are talking about. Yesterday I installed the +</I>>><i> new Ubuntu 10.10, a window opened near the end of the installation +</I>>><i> process telling me that my hardware may need/use a non-free driver +</I>>><i> which is available online. The text explains about the non-free status +</I>>><i> in simple words and then I was asked if I wanted to activate this +</I>>><i> non-free driver. +</I>>><i> The same can be done with all that codec stuff. A window opens, +</I>>><i> telling the user that he will need some special software to listen to +</I>>><i> MP3s, watch his commercial DVDs, etc. The text explains in simple +</I>>><i> words the legal implications which may or may not apply to his +</I>>><i> country. After that he can decide with a simple mouse click on yes or +</I>>><i> no or "ask later" (if he has no working internet connection at that +</I>>><i> time. If he clicks on "activate", the needed software will be +</I>>><i> downloaded and installed. If he clicks on "ask later" he will be asked +</I>>><i> as soon as the script detects a working internet connection. +</I>>><i> If he has selected "No" and still tries to open a commecrial DVD (or +</I>>><i> whatever) the window ill appear again reminding him why he can't play +</I>>><i> the DVD (or whatever). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Face it: we do not have any other choice but leave it at the user's +</I>>><i> decision. All we can do is make it simple if he chooses to bite the +</I>>><i> bullet. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Wolfgang, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well done. Even I understood that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia, as a foundation, will be separated form legal proceedings by passing +</I>><i> the burden of the decision to the end user, as a flexible way of +</I>><i> acknowledging that laws are not the same everywhere, and the end-user will +</I>><i> (should) be better informed than an automated script of what is allowed and +</I>><i> not. And if the end user decides to "break the law", it is the end user's +</I>><i> responsibility. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salut, +</I>><i> Sinner +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +At issue here, in the discussion, was the method of delivery. Wolfgang +wrote of the Ubuntu method which seems also fine to me. Having repos +where contentious software packages were kept (just like PLF) was +another method. Others suggested that Mageia repos should just offer up +everything regardless of legal implications. Have I missed any other +methods? + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1157">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1157">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1157">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1157">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001158.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001158.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b010727d5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001158.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci950a2%24l4r%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001153.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001155.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci950a2%24l4r%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 21:12:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1158">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1158">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1158">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1158">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I was actually going to approach a university in Canada this week about +</I>>><i> mirroring but I think I will wait till this is sorted out. I don't +</I>>><i> believe I could convince them if they read this thread. They would most +</I>>><i> definitely have second thoughts. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, then you can simply be clear with them and ask them to see their +</I>><i> boss/lawyers/whatever who can decide. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> After all, I do not see why no one directly asked to mirror admins +</I>><i> first. +</I>><i> +</I> +I am not sure that if I were to approach them and ask, as a favour, to +mirror Mageia, to then ask them to check with their lawyers etc., that +this would make for a good argument for them or give them too much of a +feeling of trust. They would just not want to talk. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1158">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1158">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1158">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1158">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001159.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001159.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4ab6e4f27 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001159.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB625F0.3010702%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I hadn't thought of that. + +One way of doing it might be, having identified packages that require +this sort of support, to wrap the executables with scripts that do this +the next time a user runs the software before the real executable is +launched. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001145.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001160.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1159">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1159">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1159">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1159">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001160.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001160.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1f440a581 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001160.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Proposal%3A%20Updating%20released%20versions%20%28long%20post%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201010132359.59542.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Because with such a "solution" the +programs would be always wrapped, even if you never do a rollback. +How would such script detect that it actually was a rollback and it should +do his magic on the config files. +What would happen if the user did not run that program between the update +and the rollback? + +It seems the complexity is not worth the benefit, and those scripts are +likely to not be well tested and might make things worse if things are not +like they expected. + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001159.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1160">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1160">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1160">[ subject ]</a> + <a 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Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1147"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1148"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1149"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001150.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1150"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1151"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1152"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1153"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1154"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1155"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1156"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001157.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1157"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001158.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1158"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001159.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1159"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001160.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1160"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Oct 13 23:59:59 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 00:00:03 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ 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Oct 13 23:59:59 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 43<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1119"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1129"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001121.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1121"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1125"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1127"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001130.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1130"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1131"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1133"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001138.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1138"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001141.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1141"> </A> +<I>herman +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1149"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1154"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, 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+<LI><A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1128"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1132"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1134"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1135"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1136"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001137.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1137"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001139.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1139"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001140.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1140"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001142.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1142"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1143"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1144"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1146"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1147"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1148"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001150.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1150"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1151"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1152"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1153"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1156"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A 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+<LI><A HREF="001122.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1122"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286929889-01286934306-01286935465-01286945402-01286946888- --> +<LI><A HREF="001123.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1123"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286929889-01286934306-01286935465-01286945402-01286946888-01286947472- --> +<LI><A HREF="001124.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1124"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286929889-01286934306-01286935465-01286945402-01286946888-01286947472-01286957361- --> +<LI><A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1125"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<!--3 01286929889-01286934306-01286935465-01286945402-01286946888-01286981358- --> +<LI><A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1135"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<!--3 01286929889-01286934306-01286935465-01286945402-01286946888-01286981358-01286982143- --> +<LI><A HREF="001139.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1139"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286929889-01286934306-01286935465-01286945402-01286963364- --> +<LI><A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1128"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01286929889-01286934306-01286935465-01286945402-01286963364-01286981650- --> +<LI><A HREF="001137.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1137"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<!--3 01286929889-01286934306-01286935465-01286959732- --> +<LI><A HREF="001126.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1126"> </A> +<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286932793- --> +<LI><A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1119"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286932793-01286972440- --> +<LI><A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1129"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286957957- --> +<LI><A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1127"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286957957-01286976886- --> +<LI><A HREF="001130.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1130"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286957957-01286976886-01286977620- --> +<LI><A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1132"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286977467- --> +<LI><A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1131"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286977467-01286980164- --> +<LI><A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1133"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286977467-01286980164-01286981165- --> +<LI><A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1134"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--2 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375- --> +<LI><A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1136"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375-01286981930- --> +<LI><A HREF="001138.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1138"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<!--3 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375-01286981930-01286982291- --> +<LI><A HREF="001140.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1140"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375-01286981930-01286982291-01286986470- --> +<LI><A HREF="001141.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1141"> </A> +<I>herman +</I> + +<!--3 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375-01286981930-01286982291-01286986470-01286987713- --> +<LI><A HREF="001142.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1142"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375-01286981930-01286982291-01286986470-01286987713-01286989452- --> +<LI><A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1144"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375-01286981930-01286982291-01286986470-01286987713-01286989452-01286989933- --> +<LI><A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1146"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375-01286981930-01286982291-01286986470-01286987713-01286989452-01286990756- --> +<LI><A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1147"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<!--3 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375-01286981930-01286982291-01286986470-01286987713-01286989452-01286995461- --> +<LI><A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1154"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<!--3 01286977467-01286980164-01286981375-01286981930-01286982291-01286986470-01286987713-01286989452-01286995461-01286996957- --> +<LI><A HREF="001157.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1157"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286989083- --> +<LI><A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1143"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<!--0 01286989734- --> +<LI><A HREF="001145.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1145"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286989734-01287005680- --> +<LI><A HREF="001159.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1159"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286989734-01287005680-01287007199- --> +<LI><A HREF="001160.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal: Updating released versions (long post) +</A><A NAME="1160"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286991104- --> +<LI><A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository 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