diff options
Diffstat (limited to 'zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001150.html')
| -rw-r--r-- | zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001150.html | 184 |
1 files changed, 184 insertions, 0 deletions
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001150.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001150.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8888e05dc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101013/001150.html @@ -0,0 +1,184 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286994121.18205.84.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001156.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1286994121.18205.84.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 13 20:22:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1150">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1150">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1150">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1150">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 à 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> Hi all! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we +</I>><i> should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post, +</I>><i> only about the basic sectioning and packages in those. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some points to consider (I've written my opinion in ones where I have one): +</I>><i> +</I>><i> == Do we want a separated core repository? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse +</I>><i> Separated core: Mandriva (main), Ubuntu (main), Arch (Core) +</I> +How do we decide what would be in core ? + + +><i> == How are the sections named? :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think I'm in favor of renaming 'contrib' to 'extra'. +</I> ++1, if we decide to keep contrib + + +><i> == Where do firmware without license go (DVB, V4L, etc)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To unsupported non-free repository: Ubuntu (multiverse) [1], +</I>><i> To unsupported repository without binary packages: Arch (AUR) +</I>><i> Nowhere: Debian, Fedora, Opensuse, Mandriva +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess for this one I'd prefer a helper draktool to handle/download these +</I>><i> instead of shipping them ourselves. +</I> +If there is no licence, I would say "Nowhere". This is just illegal +under most country laws, despites likely to be uneforced by +rightholders. So, even if I think the legal risk is low, I would say +"no" because this is a question of free software ethics more than laws. + +><i> +</I>><i> == What about patents? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Almost no software with patents: Fedora, Opensuse +</I>><i> - Essentially no media codecs except theora/vorbis/ogg/vp8 etc. +</I>><i> - Strange exception: libXft, Cairo and Qt4 are shipped with LCD filtering +</I>><i> support enabled, even if it is disabled in freetype +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No software with enforced patents: Debian +</I>><i> - not included (at least): x264 (encoder), lame mp3 (encoder) +</I>><i> - included (at least): MPEG/x decoders, H.264 decoders, MP3 decoders, +</I>><i> AAC decoders, AMR decoders, DTS decoders, AC3 decoders, +</I>><i> WMV/WMA decoders, realvideo decoders, etc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some software covered by patents not included: Mandriva +</I>><i> - see below for more information +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All software covered by patents allowed: Arch, Ubuntu +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IMO we should alter our policy to match either Fedora, Debian or Ubuntu.. The +</I>><i> Mandriva policy makes no sense (for example, no AAC decoder but yes for H.264 +</I>><i> decoder and MPEG-4 encoder?). +</I>><i> I'm really not sure which way we should go, though. WDYT? +</I> +I would go the Debian way. +Ubuntu and Fedora are tied to companies, and Debian is not, so their +policies are likely more adapted to our own model. + +Debian way seems to be more pragmatic that Ubuntu/Fedora on that matter. + +><i> == Do we allow P2P file transfer software? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes: Arch, Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu +</I>><i> No, except torrents: Mandriva +</I>><i> Unknown, at least torrents allowed: Opensuse +</I> +I would say "yes". The reason of the rule in Mandriva was unclear and +not justified, IMHO. + +Afaik, it was just "there is lots of lawsuits going on this, let's +forbid it". Maybe if someone can get in touch with Lenny, he can explain +us, but I think this was not baked by anything. + +><i> +</I>><i> == And gaming emulators? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Allowed: Arch, Debian, Ubuntu +</I>><i> Mostly no, but at least fuse-emulator is shipped: Fedora +</I>><i> Unknown, but lots of them are in OBS 'Emulators' project (unofficial but in +</I>><i> official mirrors): Opensuse +</I>><i> No, but at least zsnes is shipped: Mandriva +</I> +Well, why separate gamin emulator from regular emulator ? + +The legal risk is near zero in both case, given the few cases since 10 +years. Sony lost the lawsuit against Bleem +( <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!</A> ), and again Connectix +( <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Game_Station">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Game_Station</A> ). + +The only recent case I can think of is when Nintendo asked to Youtube +and Apple to remove a application that looked like a DS. Given the speed +of Apple and Youtube to remove contents and software, we cannot consider +this as a legal basis for anything. + + +><i>From what I have seen, emulators are much likely to be dropped because +</I>they are unmaintained than others reasons. + +And Fedora rational about this +( <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Emulators">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Emulators</A> ) is IMHO +weak. I know people who play to the game they bought on their console, I +know people who play to game they developed, and we even have people who +ported linux ( like dslinux, but the site seems down ). + +So I would align on Debian policy ( and as the zsnes maintainer, I have +no idea of why it was allowed in contrib while the others one didn't ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1150">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1150">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1150">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1150">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |