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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002729.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002729.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cd97cde9d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002729.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinM2GMBuvz6j%3DB7jx%3DcdSiJ-jfZXdk4a888Xq7M%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002730.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinM2GMBuvz6j%3DB7jx%3DcdSiJ-jfZXdk4a888Xq7M%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 03:36:07 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002730.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2729">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2729">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2729">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2729">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/2/21 Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net</A>>: +><i> On Monday, 21 February 2011 11:49:27 Thomas Lottmann wrote: +</I>>><i> I am still not convinced of how easy this can be. For having attempted +</I>>><i> to manage (and learn) how to manage LVM partitons with CentOS, it is +</I>>><i> quite complicated. So it certainly has many advantages, but I'm awaiting +</I>>><i> an intuitive disk manager like Diskdrake to manage this stuff without +</I>>><i> the need of preliminary knowledge. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, with diskdrake, it's no problem. Anaconda's LVM interface is quite +</I>><i> confusing and complex. After installation, AFAIK, you can't access the same +</I>><i> interface. system-config-lvm (if it's still around) was also pretty unusable. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But, we have diskdrake, so why are the problems of CentOS an issue? +</I> +Because (as I remarked earlier) there are people who have other Linux +flavors on their harddisk before they try Mageia - what if they do +their partitioning with those (i.e. CentOS)? + +Again, people do not work all the same. There are people who do their +partitioning with 3rd-party apps like gparted or others. There are +people who like to have a bootloader in the root partition of each +Linux they install (using chainloader in the first Linux' grub), etc. + +IMHO it is a bad idea to make LVM default, because there are too many +cases around where people would not want LVM. LVM as an option is a +far better solution and let the user decide what he wants. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002730.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2729">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2729">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2729">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2729">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002730.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002730.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b779b801a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002730.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1298345518.30254.8.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002729.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002731.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1298345518.30254.8.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 04:31:58 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002729.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002731.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2730">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2730">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2730">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2730">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 22 février 2011 à 03:36 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2011/2/21 Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net</A>>: +</I>><i> > On Monday, 21 February 2011 11:49:27 Thomas Lottmann wrote: +</I>><i> >> I am still not convinced of how easy this can be. For having attempted +</I>><i> >> to manage (and learn) how to manage LVM partitons with CentOS, it is +</I>><i> >> quite complicated. So it certainly has many advantages, but I'm awaiting +</I>><i> >> an intuitive disk manager like Diskdrake to manage this stuff without +</I>><i> >> the need of preliminary knowledge. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Yes, with diskdrake, it's no problem. Anaconda's LVM interface is quite +</I>><i> > confusing and complex. After installation, AFAIK, you can't access the same +</I>><i> > interface. system-config-lvm (if it's still around) was also pretty unusable. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But, we have diskdrake, so why are the problems of CentOS an issue? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Because (as I remarked earlier) there are people who have other Linux +</I>><i> flavors on their harddisk before they try Mageia - what if they do +</I>><i> their partitioning with those (i.e. CentOS)? +</I> +Well, if they have already partitions to reuse ( ie, ex centos +partition ), they will just reuse them without lvm and that's all. And +if they do not have any partition to reuse, or just a part of the disk, +we are in the same case, there is free space and we can use it as we +want. + +><i> Again, people do not work all the same. There are people who do their +</I>><i> partitioning with 3rd-party apps like gparted or others. There are +</I>><i> people who like to have a bootloader in the root partition of each +</I>><i> Linux they install (using chainloader in the first Linux' grub), etc. +</I> +And what exactly would be broken with lvm and theses schemes ? + +Arguments based on "there is some special cases that would requires +special care" are not very helpful if the special case is not described +in details, and we cannot have technical discussion based on imprecise +input. + +><i> IMHO it is a bad idea to make LVM default, because there are too many +</I>><i> cases around where people would not want LVM. LVM as an option is a +</I>><i> far better solution and let the user decide what he wants. +</I> +Making it be default doesn't mean that the user cannot decide to opt +out, this argument do not seems very strong. + +This is a default, not something that would be forced to use. + +And this is not a all or nothing, you can perfectly have a partition in +the lvm, and one outside ( or several, or any mix you want ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002729.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002731.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2730">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2730">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2730">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2730">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002731.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002731.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5da11849b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002731.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C281956610.31298362038904.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002730.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002732.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C281956610.31298362038904.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 09:07:18 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002730.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002732.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2731">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2731">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2731">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2731">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +----- "Wolfgang Bornath" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> 2011/2/21 Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net</A>>: +</I>><i> > On Monday, 21 February 2011 11:49:27 Thomas Lottmann wrote: +</I>><i> >> I am still not convinced of how easy this can be. For having +</I>><i> attempted +</I>><i> >> to manage (and learn) how to manage LVM partitons with CentOS, it +</I>><i> is +</I>><i> >> quite complicated. So it certainly has many advantages, but I'm +</I>><i> awaiting +</I>><i> >> an intuitive disk manager like Diskdrake to manage this stuff +</I>><i> without +</I>><i> >> the need of preliminary knowledge. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Yes, with diskdrake, it's no problem. Anaconda's LVM interface is +</I>><i> quite +</I>><i> > confusing and complex. After installation, AFAIK, you can't access +</I>><i> the same +</I>><i> > interface. system-config-lvm (if it's still around) was also pretty +</I>><i> unusable. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But, we have diskdrake, so why are the problems of CentOS an issue? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Because (as I remarked earlier) there are people who have other Linux +</I>><i> flavors on their harddisk before they try Mageia - what if they do +</I>><i> their partitioning with those (i.e. CentOS)? +</I> +Irrelevant. If there is free space, you can use LVM or not. Note CentOS defaults to LVM as of 5.x. If the whole disk is partitioned as a PV (likely with CentOS), then you will be forced to use LVM anyway ... + +><i> Again, people do not work all the same. +</I> +Irrelevant. If this was the case, we would *FORCE* everyone to use LVM, or a large single root filesystem, or a complex layout, or something else. But we aren't discussing forcing of anything, just what the *default* option should be. + +><i> There are people who do their +</I>><i> partitioning with 3rd-party apps like gparted or others. +</I> +Then they should not use the default, if they think they know better. + +><i> There are +</I>><i> people who like to have a bootloader in the root partition of each +</I>><i> Linux they install (using chainloader in the first Linux' grub), etc. +</I> +Shame, IMHO putting bootloader in root partition is a bad idea. But, they can still do this. They can even install a bootloader in the boot partition of each distro, and use chainloader (which is what I do). No one is proposing preventing them from doing this. + +><i> IMHO it is a bad idea to make LVM default, because there are too many +</I>><i> cases around where people would not want LVM. +</I> +IMHO, the majority of users *should* use LVM. The 10% who have specific reasons not to, will of course still be able to use normal partitions. The problem currently is that I suspect 90% of the users who should be using LVM, don't. Then, they need assistance from others to resize their /, or /home, or another filesystem that they sized incorrectly during installation. + +Users shouldn't need to "learn to partition", or "practice installing", by doing installations over and over until they figure out that / should be at least 10GB, but most likely not larger than 30GB, depending on whether they compile a lot (e.g. build packages or not). + +Is this really user-friendly? By this I mean, friendly to users who *haven't* used Linux before, not those who are installing their 10th distro on the same machine for the 15th time. + +><i> LVM as an option is a +</I>><i> far better solution and let the user decide what he wants. +</I> +The user will still *always* be able to decide what he wants. The question is, what to do for users who don't know what to decide. IMHO, for a first time user, it is *much* better to give them a "Use available space, with growable filesystems" or similar, than a statically partitioned, based on difficult-to-get-right heuristics. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002730.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002732.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2731">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2731">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2731">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2731">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002732.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002732.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a17c510f5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002732.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6376AC.2010408%40gmx.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002731.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002733.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>Thorsten van Lil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6376AC.2010408%40gmx.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">tvl83 at gmx.de + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 09:41:16 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002731.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002733.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2732">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2732">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2732">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2732">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 22.02.2011 09:07, schrieb Buchan Milne: + +><i> The user will still *always* be able to decide what he wants. The question is, what to do for users who don't know what to decide. IMHO, for a first time user, it is *much* better to give them a "Use available space, with growable filesystems" or similar, than a statically partitioned, based on difficult-to-get-right heuristics. +</I>><i> +</I> +That's a good point. The step for partitioning is still the most complex +one during the installation. There are really often questions and +discussions how to partition the hard disk. + +But, as a user who doesn't know anything about LVM, we should only +switch if the algorithm for LVM works really really stable and is easy +to use. +It seems to me positive to switch to LVM for default but it's not really +important, so we don't should risk to much and take the time it needs, +instead of forcing it to be finished for the next release, for example. + +Just my concerns to this topic. + +Regards, +Thorsten +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002731.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002733.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2732">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2732">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2732">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2732">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002733.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002733.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..daa1e290c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002733.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%20other%0A%20problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%2Bc6T6zG1xU2fegp%3D_b8SM2ze7CmJDGp318_Jy%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002732.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002735.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%20other%0A%20problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%2Bc6T6zG1xU2fegp%3D_b8SM2ze7CmJDGp318_Jy%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 11:04:26 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002732.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002735.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2733">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2733">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2733">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2733">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:57, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Le vendredi 18 février 2011 à 10:13 +0100, Philippe DIDIER a écrit : +</I>>><i> Just seen that mikala added panotools in the repository . (some +</I>>><i> algorythms library to build panoramic photographs) +</I>>><i> Very happy with this ! (thanks a lot...) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That's one of the first patent problems we may encounter : +</I> +Yes, that's a good sample to use to improve our policy draft. + +>><i> Long time ago, +</I> +How long is a "long time ago"? because every patent has a term and +here it may have expired. + +>><i> iPIX, a company from USA muliplied patent lawsuit against +</I>>><i> these free algorythms inventor and photographers using them (this +</I>>><i> company is now dead because of bankruptcy but the patent problem is +</I>>><i> still live... ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, who own the patents now ? +</I> +><i>From <A HREF="http://wiki.panotools.org/Ipix">http://wiki.panotools.org/Ipix</A> it looks a former competitor got a +</I>hold on all assets from iPix. + +On the decision/sorting out side, for this and for any other patent +issue, do we document already (in source code or a separate file) the +reasons to activate or not pieces of a software (or to exclude them +from packages), because of some patents? + +List of questions to check would be at least: + - what is exactly covered by what patent (reference, registration, +territory/ies for which it has been registered)? + - where is it implemented exactly in the source code? ( + - who owns this patent? + - did the patent holder announce his clear intention upon it? (that +is, is he using it to control/restrain use or not? *) + - are there obvious prior art that could make this patent obviously invalid? + - what is decided and when (and what may change the decision, later)? + - what would be alternative ways to implement the function (if the +patent does not just cover the function, but a specific implementation +of it)? + +* one does not necessarily register a patent to be offensive with it; +here, we knew about iPix, what about the new holder? + +Btw, a draft policy for patents management was discussed among +founders and other people (lawyers) months ago and a tentative summary +written by me here: +<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=software_patents_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=software_patents_policy</A> . + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002732.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002735.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2733">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2733">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2733">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2733">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002734.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002734.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..40a0e8c59 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002734.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1682127367.81298369722537.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002735.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002736.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1682127367.81298369722537.JavaMail.root%40zimbrastaff-vm1.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 11:15:22 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002735.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002736.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2734">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2734">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2734">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2734">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +----- "Thorsten van Lil" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>> wrote: + +><i> Am 22.02.2011 09:07, schrieb Buchan Milne: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > The user will still *always* be able to decide what he wants. The +</I>><i> question is, what to do for users who don't know what to decide. IMHO, +</I>><i> for a first time user, it is *much* better to give them a "Use +</I>><i> available space, with growable filesystems" or similar, than a +</I>><i> statically partitioned, based on difficult-to-get-right heuristics. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's a good point. The step for partitioning is still the most +</I>><i> complex +</I>><i> one during the installation. There are really often questions and +</I>><i> discussions how to partition the hard disk. +</I> +Exactly. Dispensing with this requirement would make installation much easier, and still put the user in a position where they aren't setup for failure (all other solutions do, IMHO). + +><i> But, as a user who doesn't know anything about LVM, we should only +</I>><i> switch if the algorithm for LVM works really really stable and is easy +</I> +With static partitions, the heuristics have to be good. For LVM, they just have to: +-Ensure enough space for installation to succeed +-Ensure a large percentage of the VG is not allocated (as growing is easier than shrinking) + +><i> to use. +</I>><i> It seems to me positive to switch to LVM for default but it's not +</I>><i> really +</I>><i> important, +</I> +You obviously haven't seen how many users have questions about shrinking / from 50GB because they need more space for /home, or similar questions, on IRC. + +><i> so we don't should risk to much and take the time it needs, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> instead of forcing it to be finished for the next release, for +</I>><i> example. +</I> +I listed the issues that I believe block switching to LVM by default. If they are fixed, I would think it would be an idea to launch the first stable release with LVM by default. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002735.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002736.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2734">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2734">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2734">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2734">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002735.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002735.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8d478ed6b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002735.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%20other%0A%09problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1bf1.4d639468%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002733.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002734.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)</H1> + <B>Philippe DIDIER</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%20other%0A%09problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C1bf1.4d639468%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)">philippedidier at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 11:48:10 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002733.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002734.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2735">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2735">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2735">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2735">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: rdalverny wrote on Tue, 22 February 2011 11:04 +---------------------------------------------------- + +><i> >> Long time ago, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How long is a "long time ago"? because every patent has a term and +</I>><i> here it may have expired. +</I>><i> +</I> +Long time ago means 1999.. +Actually the problem has not expired : Bruno Postle the main dev of hugin +and panotools projects uses fedora and builds the rpm for Fedora (and +proposes on his own repo rpms of the betas and release candidates ... ) +He is certainly the guy that must be aware of the patent problems : he +still proposes a limited version of panotools on official Fedora's +repositories !!! + +The source are written to be built with or without fov limitation depending +of the possible patent infringement (no limit in Europe...) + +><i> List of questions to check would be at least: +</I>><i> - what is exactly covered by what patent (reference, registration, +</I>><i> territory/ies for which it has been registered)? +</I>><i> - where is it implemented exactly in the source code? ( +</I>><i> - who owns this patent? +</I>><i> - did the patent holder announce his clear intention upon it? (that +</I>><i> is, is he using it to control/restrain use or not? *) +</I>><i> - are there obvious prior art that could make this patent obviously +</I>><i> invalid? +</I>><i> - what is decided and when (and what may change the decision, later)? +</I>><i> - what would be alternative ways to implement the function (if the +</I>><i> patent does not just cover the function, but a specific implementation +</I>><i> of it)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * one does not necessarily register a patent to be offensive with it; +</I>><i> here, we knew about iPix, what about the new holder? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Btw, a draft policy for patents management was discussed among +</I>><i> founders and other people (lawyers) months ago and a tentative summary +</I>><i> written by me here: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=software_patents_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=software_patents_policy</A> . +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I>---------------------------------------------------- + +Best regards +Philippe + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002733.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002734.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2735">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2735">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2735">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2735">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002736.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002736.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e0744856c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002736.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102221334.12337.anaselli%40linux.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002734.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002742.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Angelo Naselli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102221334.12337.anaselli%40linux.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">anaselli at linux.it + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 13:34:08 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002734.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002742.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2736">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2736">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2736">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2736">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>hi, +porting tuxpaint i've finally found the time to +fix and old menu issue for that application. + +Some low level school teachers i know, complain +about tuxpaint position -Education/Other menu- +that is not very intuitive. + +Packaging it again for mageia, I've relaized that there's +Other nowhere into source tarball and spec file. So i start looking +at desktop file and found that its categories are Education;Art. + +Looking at freedesktop specs[1] i've read Art is related +to Education so tuxpaint desktop file is right. +Removing Art -as i did at the moment using desktop-file-install-, +tuxpaint is correctly installed into Education menu, so i wonder if +it is a missing specification implementation for that either in +Mandriva or in Mageia. + +Said that i believe, anyway, that tuxpaint, and tuxpaint-config as well, +should stay into Education menu as released into cauldron at this moment. + +Cheers, + Angelo + +P.S. misc i've sent upstream the tuxpaint & co. patches i imported... + +[1]<A HREF="http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html">http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html</A> +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 198 bytes +Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20110222/1127c274/attachment.asc> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002734.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002742.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2736">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2736">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2736">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2736">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002737.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002737.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8f5d2a4b6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002737.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Test%20upgrade%20of%20server%2C%20second%20try&In-Reply-To=%3C1298393646.11141.5.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002745.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002741.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Test%20upgrade%20of%20server%2C%20second%20try&In-Reply-To=%3C1298393646.11141.5.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 17:54:06 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002745.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002741.html">[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2737">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2737">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2737">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2737">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +so after trying to upgrade the web server, i decided to give a go for +the svn server. This went quite smoothly, and the missing list is quite +small : + +Error message on update : + +The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: +mandriva-release-Free-2010.2-0.10.1mdv2010.2.i586 + (due to missing mandriva-release-common(lib)) +repsys-1.9-2mdv2010.1.noarch + (due to unsatisfied python < 2.7) +task-bs-cluster-main-2010.1-4mdv2010.1.noarch + (due to missing repsys) (y/N) + +The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: +mkcd-4.3.0-6mdv2010.1.noarch + (due to conflicts with perl-Mkcd-Commandline-1.1.0-1.mga1.noarch) +rails-2.3.4-1mdv2010.0.noarch + (due to unsatisfied ruby-activesupport == 2.3.4) (y/N) + +Something that would cause trouble on upgrade : +# LC_ALL=C urpmi sudo +A requested package cannot be installed: +sudo-1.7.4-2.p4.2.mga1.i586 (in order to keep +sudo-1.7.4p6-0.1mdv2010.2.i586) +Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) + +And for the missing rpms that are important : + tcpdump + nss_ldap + pam_ldap + ldapvi + ltrace ++ various php-modules + rng-utils + mdv-youri-core + mdv-youri-submit + +Note that I didn't tried to run anything yet ( and do not plan for +now ). + +So next time, I will take a build host and do a test upgrade :) +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002745.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002741.html">[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2737">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2737">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2737">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2737">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002738.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002738.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bf24bd6ae --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002738.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] 1st test upgrade of our servers ( using vm ) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%201st%20test%20upgrade%20of%20our%20servers%20%28%20using%20vm%20%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D63F23B.5080400%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I believe that this +</I>>>><i> is achieved in Mandriva, because plf is greater than mdv. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That's abusing release tag and it work by pure chance ( ie, had the plf +</I>>><i> decided to be called the guillomovitch liberation front, it would not +</I>>><i> have worked ). And this is quite inflexible, since people will always +</I>>><i> have plf packages, leading to users adding some rpm in skip.list with a +</I>>><i> regexp. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This doesn't make much sense to treat tainted rpm as update to core, +</I>>><i> this is not the same notion. But we cannot express this in urpmi for the +</I>>><i> moment, as this would requires some way to say "if you need to install +</I>>><i> something, prefer this source rather than this one". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We can imagine a priority system, or we can simply say that if there is +</I>>><i> the same rpm on 2 media, we ask to the user ( except this would requires +</I>>><i> IMHO a better system than the current path based one to see what is in a +</I>>><i> rpm, but that's a rather long proposal to make ). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But you are right this another set of issues to solve for dual life +</I>>><i> packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> after sleeping on this, i've had this idea: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> why don't we rename packages in tainted? +</I>><i> keeping them in the same name, perhaps has issues with search engines, (ie: +</I>><i> which version do you get?) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i proposed renaming packages in tainted,(but not the release tag). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> would it be a good compromise if we named packages: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <orig_packagename>-tainted-<version>-<release> ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> the benefit of this could be adding an Obsoletes and Provides on the original +</I>><i> package with the identical version. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> for building, i may have this solution: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> %tainted(%_optional_feature1 %optional_feature2 %optional_feature3) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> this would allow the buildbot to look for %tainted and if it does, it could +</I>><i> rebuild it for tainted and add the particulars itself. this would simplify the +</I>><i> whole plf/tainted thing easily. and since all 4 rpms are being built at the +</I>><i> same time, you have no srpm problem either. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> WDYT? +</I> +<aside> +First of all, "tainted" in English implies that the software doesn't +work. (Unless it refers to food, in which case it means "poisonous".) +So we should choose a more appropriate name, such as "constrained", or +use the Ubuntu approach and use a name which doesn't literally describe +the contents. ("Multiverse", in their case.) +Anything but something that implies that there is something inherently +wrong with the package in question. +That was one advantage of "plf", but of course that is already taken. +And it is certainly advantageous to include such packages directly on +Mageia mirrors. +</aside> + +A Cleaner approach -- albeit more work -- would be for the "constrained" +package to be an external module which adds the missing functionality. +For less modular packages, this would be replacing (only) the files +which provide the questioned functionality. +For a typical a music player-type application, this would be only a be a +few relatively small files. + +So a user that wants to add the "contrained" functionality would simply +add an extra package, which obviously would have a different name based +on the main package. +(It would be useful to suggest adding such packages during installation, +if the "contrained" repositories are selected.) +(That is, if such a related package is available in selected repos.) + +Think of the gstreamer packages -- the "ugly" perhaps corresponding to +the "constrained" packages being considered. + +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002738.html">[Mageia-dev] 1st test upgrade of our servers ( using vm ) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002740.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2739">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2739">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2739">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2739">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002740.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002740.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b3f480572 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002740.html @@ -0,0 +1,146 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%0A%20%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3FAbout_panotools_patent_problem_%3D28and_othe%3F%3D%0A%20%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3Fr%3D09problematic_rpms%3D29%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222201.37593.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002739.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002743.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%0A%20%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3FAbout_panotools_patent_problem_%3D28and_othe%3F%3D%0A%20%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3Fr%3D09problematic_rpms%3D29%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222201.37593.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 22:01:37 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002739.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002743.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2740">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2740">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2740">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2740">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 22 februari 2011 19:09:17 schreef andre999: +><i> Maarten Vanraes a écrit : +</I>><i> > Op vrijdag 18 februari 2011 14:42:02 schreef Michael Scherer: +</I>><i> >> Le vendredi 18 février 2011 à 12:47 +0000, James Kerr a écrit : +</I>><i> >>> If there are two packages, one in core and another in tainted, then +</I>><i> >>> doesn't urpmi need a way to recognise that the tainted package is newer +</I>><i> >>> than (an update to) the corresponding core package? I believe that this +</I>><i> >>> is achieved in Mandriva, because plf is greater than mdv. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> That's abusing release tag and it work by pure chance ( ie, had the plf +</I>><i> >> decided to be called the guillomovitch liberation front, it would not +</I>><i> >> have worked ). And this is quite inflexible, since people will always +</I>><i> >> have plf packages, leading to users adding some rpm in skip.list with a +</I>><i> >> regexp. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> This doesn't make much sense to treat tainted rpm as update to core, +</I>><i> >> this is not the same notion. But we cannot express this in urpmi for the +</I>><i> >> moment, as this would requires some way to say "if you need to install +</I>><i> >> something, prefer this source rather than this one". +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> We can imagine a priority system, or we can simply say that if there is +</I>><i> >> the same rpm on 2 media, we ask to the user ( except this would requires +</I>><i> >> IMHO a better system than the current path based one to see what is in a +</I>><i> >> rpm, but that's a rather long proposal to make ). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> But you are right this another set of issues to solve for dual life +</I>><i> >> packages. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > after sleeping on this, i've had this idea: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > why don't we rename packages in tainted? +</I>><i> > keeping them in the same name, perhaps has issues with search engines, +</I>><i> > (ie: which version do you get?) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > i proposed renaming packages in tainted,(but not the release tag). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > would it be a good compromise if we named packages: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <orig_packagename>-tainted-<version>-<release> ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > the benefit of this could be adding an Obsoletes and Provides on the +</I>><i> > original package with the identical version. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > for building, i may have this solution: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > %tainted(%_optional_feature1 %optional_feature2 %optional_feature3) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > this would allow the buildbot to look for %tainted and if it does, it +</I>><i> > could rebuild it for tainted and add the particulars itself. this would +</I>><i> > simplify the whole plf/tainted thing easily. and since all 4 rpms are +</I>><i> > being built at the same time, you have no srpm problem either. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > WDYT? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <aside> +</I>><i> First of all, "tainted" in English implies that the software doesn't +</I>><i> work. (Unless it refers to food, in which case it means "poisonous".) +</I>><i> So we should choose a more appropriate name, such as "constrained", or +</I>><i> use the Ubuntu approach and use a name which doesn't literally describe +</I>><i> the contents. ("Multiverse", in their case.) +</I>><i> Anything but something that implies that there is something inherently +</I>><i> wrong with the package in question. +</I>><i> That was one advantage of "plf", but of course that is already taken. +</I>><i> And it is certainly advantageous to include such packages directly on +</I>><i> Mageia mirrors. +</I>><i> </aside> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A Cleaner approach -- albeit more work -- would be for the "constrained" +</I>><i> package to be an external module which adds the missing functionality. +</I>><i> For less modular packages, this would be replacing (only) the files +</I>><i> which provide the questioned functionality. +</I>><i> For a typical a music player-type application, this would be only a be a +</I>><i> few relatively small files. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So a user that wants to add the "contrained" functionality would simply +</I>><i> add an extra package, which obviously would have a different name based +</I>><i> on the main package. +</I>><i> (It would be useful to suggest adding such packages during installation, +</I>><i> if the "contrained" repositories are selected.) +</I>><i> (That is, if such a related package is available in selected repos.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Think of the gstreamer packages -- the "ugly" perhaps corresponding to +</I>><i> the "constrained" packages being considered. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my 2 cents :) +</I> +sure, but that doesn't always work, not all software is done like this +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002739.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002743.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2740">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2740">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2740">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2740">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002741.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002741.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f6eb1b79e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002741.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Test%20upgrade%20of%20server%2C%20second%20try&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222304.45257.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002737.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002738.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Test%20upgrade%20of%20server%2C%20second%20try&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222304.45257.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 22:04:44 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002737.html">[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002738.html">[Mageia-dev] 1st test upgrade of our servers ( using vm ) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2741">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2741">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2741">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2741">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:54:06 Michael Scherer wrote: + + +><i> And for the missing rpms that are important : +</I> +Maybe it is time to try and assign maintainers? + +><i> tcpdump +</I> +For the following, I don't currently have a mageia installation to package on. +I *may* be able to try and solve this this week (involves a number of ssh +tunnels ...), otherwise about March 15 is the first time I will have real +bandwidth. + +><i> nss_ldap +</I>><i> pam_ldap +</I>><i> ldapvi +</I> + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002737.html">[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002738.html">[Mageia-dev] 1st test upgrade of our servers ( using vm ) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2741">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2741">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2741">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2741">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002742.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002742.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a06d104b1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002742.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6427F8.9020206%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002736.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002745.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6427F8.9020206%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 22:17:44 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002736.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002745.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2742">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2742">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2742">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2742">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 22.02.2011 14:34, Angelo Naselli wrote: +><i> hi, +</I>><i> porting tuxpaint i've finally found the time to +</I>><i> fix and old menu issue for that application. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some low level school teachers i know, complain +</I>><i> about tuxpaint position -Education/Other menu- +</I>><i> that is not very intuitive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Packaging it again for mageia, I've relaized that there's +</I>><i> Other nowhere into source tarball and spec file. So i start looking +</I>><i> at desktop file and found that its categories are Education;Art. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Looking at freedesktop specs[1] i've read Art is related +</I>><i> to Education so tuxpaint desktop file is right. +</I>><i> Removing Art -as i did at the moment using desktop-file-install-, +</I>><i> tuxpaint is correctly installed into Education menu, so i wonder if +</I>><i> it is a missing specification implementation for that either in +</I>><i> Mandriva or in Mageia. +</I> +The menu layouts are defined in desktop-common-data. + +><i> Said that i believe, anyway, that tuxpaint, and tuxpaint-config as well, +</I>><i> should stay into Education menu as released into cauldron at this moment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> Angelo +</I>><i> +</I>><i> P.S. misc i've sent upstream the tuxpaint & co. patches i imported... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [1]<A HREF="http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html">http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html</A> +</I> + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002736.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002745.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2742">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2742">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2742">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2742">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002743.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002743.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a030effea --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002743.html @@ -0,0 +1,134 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%0A%20%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3FAbout_panotools_patent_problem_%3D28and_othe%3F%3D%0A%20%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3Fr%3D09problematic_rpms%3D29%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222318.54113.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002740.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002744.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%0A%20%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3FAbout_panotools_patent_problem_%3D28and_othe%3F%3D%0A%20%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3Fr%3D09problematic_rpms%3D29%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222318.54113.bgmilne%40staff.telkomsa.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)">bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 22:18:53 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002740.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002744.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2743">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2743">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2743">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2743">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:09:17 andre999 wrote: +><i> Maarten Vanraes a écrit : +</I>><i> > Op vrijdag 18 februari 2011 14:42:02 schreef Michael Scherer: +</I>><i> >> Le vendredi 18 février 2011 à 12:47 +0000, James Kerr a écrit : +</I>><i> >>> If there are two packages, one in core and another in tainted, then +</I>><i> >>> doesn't urpmi need a way to recognise that the tainted package is newer +</I>><i> >>> than (an update to) the corresponding core package? I believe that this +</I>><i> >>> is achieved in Mandriva, because plf is greater than mdv. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> That's abusing release tag and it work by pure chance ( ie, had the plf +</I>><i> >> decided to be called the guillomovitch liberation front, it would not +</I>><i> >> have worked ). And this is quite inflexible, since people will always +</I>><i> >> have plf packages, leading to users adding some rpm in skip.list with a +</I>><i> >> regexp. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> This doesn't make much sense to treat tainted rpm as update to core, +</I>><i> >> this is not the same notion. But we cannot express this in urpmi for the +</I>><i> >> moment, as this would requires some way to say "if you need to install +</I>><i> >> something, prefer this source rather than this one". +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> We can imagine a priority system, or we can simply say that if there is +</I>><i> >> the same rpm on 2 media, we ask to the user ( except this would requires +</I>><i> >> IMHO a better system than the current path based one to see what is in a +</I>><i> >> rpm, but that's a rather long proposal to make ). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> But you are right this another set of issues to solve for dual life +</I>><i> >> packages. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > after sleeping on this, i've had this idea: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > why don't we rename packages in tainted? +</I>><i> > keeping them in the same name, perhaps has issues with search engines, +</I>><i> > (ie: which version do you get?) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > i proposed renaming packages in tainted,(but not the release tag). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > would it be a good compromise if we named packages: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <orig_packagename>-tainted-<version>-<release> ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > the benefit of this could be adding an Obsoletes and Provides on the +</I>><i> > original package with the identical version. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > for building, i may have this solution: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > %tainted(%_optional_feature1 %optional_feature2 %optional_feature3) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > this would allow the buildbot to look for %tainted and if it does, it +</I>><i> > could rebuild it for tainted and add the particulars itself. this would +</I>><i> > simplify the whole plf/tainted thing easily. and since all 4 rpms are +</I>><i> > being built at the same time, you have no srpm problem either. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > WDYT? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <aside> +</I>><i> First of all, "tainted" in English implies that the software doesn't +</I>><i> work. +</I> +I have never seen that interpretation. Tainted is a synonym for contaminated. +Contaminated doesn't mean that it doesn't work, it means that you should +exercise caution in using it (e.g. you may not want to drink it, but you can +use it to wash your car). + +<A HREF="http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-taint.html">http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-taint.html</A> + +><i> (Unless it refers to food, in which case it means "poisonous".) +</I>><i> So we should choose a more appropriate name, such as "constrained", or +</I>><i> use the Ubuntu approach and use a name which doesn't literally describe +</I>><i> the contents. ("Multiverse", in their case.) +</I>><i> Anything but something that implies that there is something inherently +</I>><i> wrong with the package in question. +</I> +There is something wrong with the package, it is contaminated by software +patents. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002740.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002744.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2743">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2743">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2743">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2743">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002744.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002744.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bf9c0848d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002744.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%20other%0A%20problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DSPAy30_895Y8W5w9KqW3uen2XATPBwBFQbn93%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002743.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002746.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%20other%0A%20problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DSPAy30_895Y8W5w9KqW3uen2XATPBwBFQbn93%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 22:27:14 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002743.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002746.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2744">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2744">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2744">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2744">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 22 February 2011 20:09, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> <aside> +</I>><i> First of all, "tainted" in English implies that the software doesn't work. +</I>><i>  (Unless it refers to food, in which case it means "poisonous".) +</I>><i> So we should choose a more appropriate name, such as "constrained", or use +</I>><i> the Ubuntu approach and use a name which doesn't literally describe the +</I>><i> contents. ("Multiverse", in their case.) +</I>><i> Anything but something that implies that there is something inherently wrong +</I>><i> with the package in question. +</I>><i> That was one advantage of "plf", but of course that is already taken. And it +</I>><i> is certainly advantageous to include such packages directly on Mageia +</I>><i> mirrors. +</I>><i> </aside> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A Cleaner approach -- albeit more work -- would be for the "constrained" +</I>><i> package to be an external module which adds the missing functionality. For +</I>><i> less modular packages, this would be replacing (only) the files which +</I>><i> provide the questioned functionality. +</I>><i> For a typical a music player-type application, this would be only a be a few +</I>><i> relatively small files. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So a user that wants to add the "contrained" functionality would simply add +</I>><i> an extra package, which obviously would have a different name based on the +</I>><i> main package. +</I>><i> (It would be useful to suggest adding such packages during installation, if +</I>><i> the "contrained" repositories are selected.) +</I>><i> (That is, if such a related package is available in selected repos.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Think of the gstreamer packages -- the "ugly" perhaps corresponding to the +</I>><i> "constrained" packages being considered. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my 2 cents :) +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> André +</I>><i> +</I> +Just a small note, if you didn't like the colour of the bike shed you +should have discussed the point before it was built, painted, the +paint has dried and is about to have new residents. + +And if you discussed the issue and your POV wasn't adapted, what's the +point re-emerging it now given that changing the new isn't easy now +that the infra- is already in place. + +I like the name tainted, (note that the kernel does use the word +tainted to indicate there's a non-open source binary blob/driver e.g. +with the nvidia proprietary driver, so this usage is not unheard of). +:<i>) +</I> +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002743.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002746.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2744">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2744">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2744">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2744">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002745.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002745.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b2ed83a3b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002745.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222235.25140.anaselli%40linux.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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(Unless it refers to food, in which case it means "poisonous".) +</I>><i> So we should choose a more appropriate name, such as "constrained", or +</I>><i> use the Ubuntu approach and use a name which doesn't literally describe +</I>><i> the contents. ("Multiverse", in their case.) +</I>><i> Anything but something that implies that there is something inherently +</I>><i> wrong with the package in question. +</I>><i> That was one advantage of "plf", but of course that is already taken. +</I>><i> And it is certainly advantageous to include such packages directly on +</I>><i> Mageia mirrors. +</I>><i> </aside> +</I>[...] + +This reply is not meant for andre, but for people responding to his email: + +I clearly didn't respond to this, because this is aside, and in general the +preference of one user, we already had a big discussion about this, so please +let's not restart this one. + +and besides the aside, naming is unimportant in my view. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002744.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002747.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2746">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2746">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2746">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2746">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002747.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002747.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..76a088ccc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002747.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20We%20must%20port%20Mageia%20to%20ARM%20and%20PowerPC%21&In-Reply-To=%3Cloom.20110222T233827-122%40post.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002746.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002749.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC!</H1> + <B>André Machado</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20We%20must%20port%20Mageia%20to%20ARM%20and%20PowerPC%21&In-Reply-To=%3Cloom.20110222T233827-122%40post.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC!">afmachado at dcemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 23:53:01 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002746.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002749.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2747">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2747">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2747">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2747">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I was watching now and I realized that both mageia and Mandriva have ports for +both i586 and x64 architetures. + +When Mageia is released, she will compete directly with Mandriva, even though +this is not your intention, Many Mandriva users will not want to migrate to +Mageia and here is the clever. + +Nowadays, they are increasingly common netbooks and tablets with ARM processors. +In addition, there are still people with PowerPC Macs or PlayStations, which +also use this processor. + +If we port Mageia for these architectures, we can grab a larger share of users, +including fans of Mandriva, which could run a distro similar to that love on +machines that do not support it. + +Of course, this is not a trivial task and maybe cannot be done right now but +think in the short term, this should be viable and will help spread the distro. +It should not be difficult to find someone who has a computer with these +features and want to build the distro. Of course, Mageia Foundation is busy with +Alpha1 and a port would require more tests. Maybe for next year? I ask what are +the difficulties in doing this? + +Of course we don't need have a large range of architetures such like Debian or +NetBSD, but these - ARM and PowerPC - are essentials. + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002746.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002749.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2747">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2747">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2747">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2747">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002748.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002748.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b1255542a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002748.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] automagically submitting correctly + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20automagically%20submitting%20correctly&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222354.30754.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002749.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] automagically submitting correctly</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20automagically%20submitting%20correctly&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222354.30754.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] automagically submitting correctly">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 23:54:30 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002749.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2748">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2748">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2748">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2748">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I've been thinking on submission (since i'm a novice packager, i have no good +experience with this, so i ended up talking to my mentor on submission stuff). + +So i was thinking: +.spec files are used to tell the buildbot how to build and package an srpm. + +why don't we have a similar way to do submission? (or even include this in +spec file?) + +the things is, i want something that should work in most, if not all cases, +but still be simple. + +what would be interesting: + * submission parameters: ie: where to put rpm (core, tainted, non-free) + +or nice to have: + * make this also work multiple times, for packages that are submitted +multiple times (think about tainted stuff, that is rebuilt with extra %define), +and still have only one srpm. + * bootstrapping options? some way to have %defines that disable some stuff for +bootstrapping (or even cyclic builddependencies in certain pacakages) + +in short, the idea is to have: +1. X, that is simple, elegant and works for all cases +2. stuff happens +3. profit :-P + +or to make it easier on packagers (and possibly reduce errors in wrong +submission), so that just "mgarepo submit <package>" would automagically work +correctly. + +i think this idea would be usefull if it was not too complex, unfortunately i +have no solid concrete ideas about this. + +but perhaps someone else has any good suggestions about this? +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002749.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2748">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2748">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2748">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2748">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002749.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002749.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1c76f9943 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/002749.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20We%20must%20port%20Mageia%20to%20ARM%20and%20PowerPC%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222356.44952.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002747.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002748.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC!</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20We%20must%20port%20Mageia%20to%20ARM%20and%20PowerPC%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201102222356.44952.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC!">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Feb 22 23:56:44 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002747.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002748.html">[Mageia-dev] automagically submitting correctly +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2749">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2749">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2749">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2749">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 22 februari 2011 23:53:01 schreef André Machado: +><i> I was watching now and I realized that both mageia and Mandriva have ports +</I>><i> for both i586 and x64 architetures. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When Mageia is released, she will compete directly with Mandriva, even +</I>><i> though this is not your intention, Many Mandriva users will not want to +</I>><i> migrate to Mageia and here is the clever. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nowadays, they are increasingly common netbooks and tablets with ARM +</I>><i> processors. In addition, there are still people with PowerPC Macs or +</I>><i> PlayStations, which also use this processor. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we port Mageia for these architectures, we can grab a larger share of +</I>><i> users, including fans of Mandriva, which could run a distro similar to +</I>><i> that love on machines that do not support it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course, this is not a trivial task and maybe cannot be done right now +</I>><i> but think in the short term, this should be viable and will help spread +</I>><i> the distro. It should not be difficult to find someone who has a computer +</I>><i> with these features and want to build the distro. Of course, Mageia +</I>><i> Foundation is busy with Alpha1 and a port would require more tests. Maybe +</I>><i> for next year? I ask what are the difficulties in doing this? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course we don't need have a large range of architetures such like Debian +</I>><i> or NetBSD, but these - ARM and PowerPC - are essentials. +</I> +iinm rtp (forgot real name, sorry) plans on doing ARM. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002747.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002748.html">[Mageia-dev] automagically submitting correctly +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2749">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2749">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2749">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2749">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2f1482ee4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,152 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 22 February 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>22 February 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Feb 22 03:36:07 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Feb 22 23:56:44 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 21<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002729.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? 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+</A><A NAME="2729"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002730.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2730"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002731.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2731"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002732.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2732"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002734.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2734"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002747.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A><A NAME="2747"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002749.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A><A NAME="2749"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Feb 22 23:56:44 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Feb 22 23:56:51 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a6970a6ad --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110222/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,189 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 22 February 2011 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>22 February 2011 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Feb 22 03:36:07 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Feb 22 23:56:44 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 21<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01298342167- --> +<LI><A HREF="002729.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2729"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298342167-01298345518- --> +<LI><A HREF="002730.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2730"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--1 01298342167-01298362038- --> +<LI><A HREF="002731.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2731"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01298342167-01298362038-01298364076- --> +<LI><A HREF="002732.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2732"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01298369066- --> +<LI><A HREF="002733.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2733"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298369066-01298371690- --> +<LI><A HREF="002735.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2735"> </A> +<I>Philippe DIDIER +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01298369722- --> +<LI><A HREF="002734.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2734"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<!--0 01298378048- --> +<LI><A HREF="002736.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2736"> </A> +<I>Angelo Naselli +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298378048-01298409464- --> +<LI><A HREF="002742.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2742"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01298378048-01298409464-01298410521- --> +<LI><A HREF="002745.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2745"> </A> +<I>Angelo Naselli +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01298393646- --> +<LI><A HREF="002737.html">[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try +</A><A NAME="2737"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298393646-01298408684- --> +<LI><A HREF="002741.html">[Mageia-dev] Test upgrade of server, second try +</A><A NAME="2741"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01298395707- --> +<LI><A HREF="002738.html">[Mageia-dev] 1st test upgrade of our servers ( using vm ) +</A><A NAME="2738"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01298398157- --> +<LI><A HREF="002739.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2739"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298398157-01298408497- --> +<LI><A HREF="002740.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2740"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--1 01298398157-01298409533- --> +<LI><A HREF="002743.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2743"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<!--1 01298398157-01298410034- --> +<LI><A HREF="002744.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2744"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--1 01298398157-01298413281- --> +<LI><A HREF="002746.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2746"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01298415181- --> +<LI><A HREF="002747.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A><A NAME="2747"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298415181-01298415404- --> +<LI><A HREF="002749.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A><A NAME="2749"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01298415270- --> +<LI><A HREF="002748.html">[Mageia-dev] automagically submitting correctly +</A><A NAME="2748"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Feb 22 23:56:44 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Feb 22 23:56:51 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |