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I believe that this +</I>>>><i> is achieved in Mandriva, because plf is greater than mdv. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That's abusing release tag and it work by pure chance ( ie, had the plf +</I>>><i> decided to be called the guillomovitch liberation front, it would not +</I>>><i> have worked ). And this is quite inflexible, since people will always +</I>>><i> have plf packages, leading to users adding some rpm in skip.list with a +</I>>><i> regexp. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This doesn't make much sense to treat tainted rpm as update to core, +</I>>><i> this is not the same notion. But we cannot express this in urpmi for the +</I>>><i> moment, as this would requires some way to say "if you need to install +</I>>><i> something, prefer this source rather than this one". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We can imagine a priority system, or we can simply say that if there is +</I>>><i> the same rpm on 2 media, we ask to the user ( except this would requires +</I>>><i> IMHO a better system than the current path based one to see what is in a +</I>>><i> rpm, but that's a rather long proposal to make ). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But you are right this another set of issues to solve for dual life +</I>>><i> packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> after sleeping on this, i've had this idea: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> why don't we rename packages in tainted? +</I>><i> keeping them in the same name, perhaps has issues with search engines, (ie: +</I>><i> which version do you get?) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i proposed renaming packages in tainted,(but not the release tag). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> would it be a good compromise if we named packages: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <orig_packagename>-tainted-<version>-<release> ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> the benefit of this could be adding an Obsoletes and Provides on the original +</I>><i> package with the identical version. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> for building, i may have this solution: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> %tainted(%_optional_feature1 %optional_feature2 %optional_feature3) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> this would allow the buildbot to look for %tainted and if it does, it could +</I>><i> rebuild it for tainted and add the particulars itself. this would simplify the +</I>><i> whole plf/tainted thing easily. and since all 4 rpms are being built at the +</I>><i> same time, you have no srpm problem either. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> WDYT? +</I> +<aside> +First of all, "tainted" in English implies that the software doesn't +work. (Unless it refers to food, in which case it means "poisonous".) +So we should choose a more appropriate name, such as "constrained", or +use the Ubuntu approach and use a name which doesn't literally describe +the contents. ("Multiverse", in their case.) +Anything but something that implies that there is something inherently +wrong with the package in question. +That was one advantage of "plf", but of course that is already taken. +And it is certainly advantageous to include such packages directly on +Mageia mirrors. +</aside> + +A Cleaner approach -- albeit more work -- would be for the "constrained" +package to be an external module which adds the missing functionality. +For less modular packages, this would be replacing (only) the files +which provide the questioned functionality. +For a typical a music player-type application, this would be only a be a +few relatively small files. + +So a user that wants to add the "contrained" functionality would simply +add an extra package, which obviously would have a different name based +on the main package. +(It would be useful to suggest adding such packages during installation, +if the "contrained" repositories are selected.) +(That is, if such a related package is available in selected repos.) + +Think of the gstreamer packages -- the "ugly" perhaps corresponding to +the "constrained" packages being considered. + +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002738.html">[Mageia-dev] 1st test upgrade of our servers ( using vm ) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002740.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2739">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2739">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2739">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2739">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |