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I believe that this +</I>><i> >>> is achieved in Mandriva, because plf is greater than mdv. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> That's abusing release tag and it work by pure chance ( ie, had the plf +</I>><i> >> decided to be called the guillomovitch liberation front, it would not +</I>><i> >> have worked ). And this is quite inflexible, since people will always +</I>><i> >> have plf packages, leading to users adding some rpm in skip.list with a +</I>><i> >> regexp. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> This doesn't make much sense to treat tainted rpm as update to core, +</I>><i> >> this is not the same notion. But we cannot express this in urpmi for the +</I>><i> >> moment, as this would requires some way to say "if you need to install +</I>><i> >> something, prefer this source rather than this one". +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> We can imagine a priority system, or we can simply say that if there is +</I>><i> >> the same rpm on 2 media, we ask to the user ( except this would requires +</I>><i> >> IMHO a better system than the current path based one to see what is in a +</I>><i> >> rpm, but that's a rather long proposal to make ). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> But you are right this another set of issues to solve for dual life +</I>><i> >> packages. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > after sleeping on this, i've had this idea: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > why don't we rename packages in tainted? +</I>><i> > keeping them in the same name, perhaps has issues with search engines, +</I>><i> > (ie: which version do you get?) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > i proposed renaming packages in tainted,(but not the release tag). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > would it be a good compromise if we named packages: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <orig_packagename>-tainted-<version>-<release> ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > the benefit of this could be adding an Obsoletes and Provides on the +</I>><i> > original package with the identical version. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > for building, i may have this solution: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > %tainted(%_optional_feature1 %optional_feature2 %optional_feature3) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > this would allow the buildbot to look for %tainted and if it does, it +</I>><i> > could rebuild it for tainted and add the particulars itself. this would +</I>><i> > simplify the whole plf/tainted thing easily. and since all 4 rpms are +</I>><i> > being built at the same time, you have no srpm problem either. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > WDYT? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <aside> +</I>><i> First of all, "tainted" in English implies that the software doesn't +</I>><i> work. +</I> +I have never seen that interpretation. Tainted is a synonym for contaminated. +Contaminated doesn't mean that it doesn't work, it means that you should +exercise caution in using it (e.g. you may not want to drink it, but you can +use it to wash your car). + +<A HREF="http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-taint.html">http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-taint.html</A> + +><i> (Unless it refers to food, in which case it means "poisonous".) +</I>><i> So we should choose a more appropriate name, such as "constrained", or +</I>><i> use the Ubuntu approach and use a name which doesn't literally describe +</I>><i> the contents. ("Multiverse", in their case.) +</I>><i> Anything but something that implies that there is something inherently +</I>><i> wrong with the package in question. +</I> +There is something wrong with the package, it is contaminated by software +patents. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002740.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002744.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2743">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2743">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2743">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2743">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |