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For having +</I>><i> attempted +</I>><i> >> to manage (and learn) how to manage LVM partitons with CentOS, it +</I>><i> is +</I>><i> >> quite complicated. So it certainly has many advantages, but I'm +</I>><i> awaiting +</I>><i> >> an intuitive disk manager like Diskdrake to manage this stuff +</I>><i> without +</I>><i> >> the need of preliminary knowledge. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Yes, with diskdrake, it's no problem. Anaconda's LVM interface is +</I>><i> quite +</I>><i> > confusing and complex. After installation, AFAIK, you can't access +</I>><i> the same +</I>><i> > interface. system-config-lvm (if it's still around) was also pretty +</I>><i> unusable. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But, we have diskdrake, so why are the problems of CentOS an issue? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Because (as I remarked earlier) there are people who have other Linux +</I>><i> flavors on their harddisk before they try Mageia - what if they do +</I>><i> their partitioning with those (i.e. CentOS)? +</I> +Irrelevant. If there is free space, you can use LVM or not. Note CentOS defaults to LVM as of 5.x. If the whole disk is partitioned as a PV (likely with CentOS), then you will be forced to use LVM anyway ... + +><i> Again, people do not work all the same. +</I> +Irrelevant. If this was the case, we would *FORCE* everyone to use LVM, or a large single root filesystem, or a complex layout, or something else. But we aren't discussing forcing of anything, just what the *default* option should be. + +><i> There are people who do their +</I>><i> partitioning with 3rd-party apps like gparted or others. +</I> +Then they should not use the default, if they think they know better. + +><i> There are +</I>><i> people who like to have a bootloader in the root partition of each +</I>><i> Linux they install (using chainloader in the first Linux' grub), etc. +</I> +Shame, IMHO putting bootloader in root partition is a bad idea. But, they can still do this. They can even install a bootloader in the boot partition of each distro, and use chainloader (which is what I do). No one is proposing preventing them from doing this. + +><i> IMHO it is a bad idea to make LVM default, because there are too many +</I>><i> cases around where people would not want LVM. +</I> +IMHO, the majority of users *should* use LVM. The 10% who have specific reasons not to, will of course still be able to use normal partitions. The problem currently is that I suspect 90% of the users who should be using LVM, don't. Then, they need assistance from others to resize their /, or /home, or another filesystem that they sized incorrectly during installation. + +Users shouldn't need to "learn to partition", or "practice installing", by doing installations over and over until they figure out that / should be at least 10GB, but most likely not larger than 30GB, depending on whether they compile a lot (e.g. build packages or not). + +Is this really user-friendly? By this I mean, friendly to users who *haven't* used Linux before, not those who are installing their 10th distro on the same machine for the 15th time. + +><i> LVM as an option is a +</I>><i> far better solution and let the user decide what he wants. +</I> +The user will still *always* be able to decide what he wants. The question is, what to do for users who don't know what to decide. IMHO, for a first time user, it is *much* better to give them a "Use available space, with growable filesystems" or similar, than a statically partitioned, based on difficult-to-get-right heuristics. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002730.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002732.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2731">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2731">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2731">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2731">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |