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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 26/07/12 02:45, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:10:09 +0100 Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have been used to using the Speaker Setup in the Phonon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> section in System Settings, but I don't seem to have it here. Is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it somewhere else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Volume Control Configuration/Profile
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can set/change the output/speaker set-up for all detected
+</I>&gt;<i> sound cards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As you know, my first attempts failed, and because my life is
+complicated right now, the problem went on the back burner. Then, a
+few minutes ago I had a brainwave. I'm used to setting up my external
+sound card and 5.1 speakers in System Settings, but I'd never checked
+MCC. PulseAudio was not enabled, and the Intel driver was being used.
+ Enabling PA and switching to the &quot;Unknown&quot; driver worked wonders. I
+now have beautiful sound!
+
+Anne
+- --
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati</B>
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+<PRE>I need to download the install DVD for Mageia 1.
+
+Went to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/1/">http://www.mageia.org/en/1/</A> where I clicked Download.
+
+This sends me to the Mageia 2 download page. WTF ?
+
+Where are the Mageia 1 downloads ?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
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+ -- Robert Louis Stevenson
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+2012/8/2 Renaud (Ron) Olgiati &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I need to download the install DVD for Mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Went to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/1/">http://www.mageia.org/en/1/</A> where I clicked Download.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This sends me to the Mageia 2 download page. WTF ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where are the Mageia 1 downloads ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> The cruellest lies are often told in silence.
+</I>&gt;<i> -- Robert Louis Stevenson
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+(Ron) Olgiati who wrote:
+&gt;<i> I need to download the install DVD for Mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i> Went to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/1/">http://www.mageia.org/en/1/</A> where I clicked Download.
+</I>&gt;<i> This sends me to the Mageia 2 download page. WTF ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Where are the Mageia 1 downloads ?
+</I>
+Work-around: M1 is still available on the Vim website
+ ( <A HREF="http://ftp.vim.org/ibiblio/distributions/mageia/iso/1/">http://ftp.vim.org/ibiblio/distributions/mageia/iso/1/</A> )
+together with a mort of other distributions.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ The light at the end of the tunnel
+ may be the headlight of an approaching train.
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati skrev 2.8.2012 21:02:
+&gt;<i> I need to download the install DVD for Mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Went to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/1/">http://www.mageia.org/en/1/</A> where I clicked Download.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This sends me to the Mageia 2 download page. WTF ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where are the Mageia 1 downloads ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If you read the page you land on: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</A>
+
+It states on the right side:
+
+Looking for Mageia 1?
+It is here now
+
+
+With a link pointing to:
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/1/">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/1/</A>
+
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+Thomas
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Thursday 02 August 2012 20:02, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+&gt;<i> Went to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/1/">http://www.mageia.org/en/1/</A> where I clicked Download.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This sends me to the Mageia 2 download page. &#160;WTF ?
+</I>
+Then you clicked the wrong download link. ;-)=
+If you look closely you'll see that here are -2- download links.
+The one on the top seems to be linking to the newest version, and i expect it to link to 3 when mga3 is released. The other link which is at the top of the /article/ section is linking to the actual version, whicn in this case is 1.
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati</B>
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+<PRE>On Thursday 02 Aug 2012 14:08 my mailbox was graced by a message from Filipe
+Saraiva who wrote:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/iso/1/">http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/iso/1/</A>
+</I>
+Thanks
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
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+ may be the headlight of an approaching train.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Do you have gnome-control-center?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not... I just installed it and it works. Uninstalled or not
+</I>&gt;<i> upgraded at some point because of a missing dependency? Thanks!
+</I>
+gnome-shell doesn't require gnome-control-center. I added a require on
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+
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+
+There is a security update for usbmuxd, but not everybody has the required
+devices to test that it works. If some people do use usbmuxd, please come to
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6945">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6945</A> after installing the update
+candidate:
+# urpmi.update &quot;&quot; #refresh all media including non active media
+# urpmi usbmuxd --media &quot;Core Updates Testing&quot; # install from testing media
+# urpmi lib(64)usbmuxd --media &quot;Core Updates Testing&quot;
+
+You can also come to #mageia-qa on IRC to discuss testing of this update.
+
+Thanks a lot in advance!
+
+Note: QA needs help for all kind of updates. You can bookmark the following
+link, that shows the list of current update candidates. Many of them even have
+testing procedures you just have to follow!
+
+<A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates">http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates</A>
+
+Samuel
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+ <B>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>If someone in this list should want to install latest wine-version for
+x86_64 before they get backported into Mageia 2 released as stable I've
+used the Cauldron spec-file to build it against Mageia 2, click any of
+theese linked words:
+
+wine64
+&lt;<A HREF="http://199.91.154.134/8mlpnuyl1xhg/davwui5zonqbrd9/wine64-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.154.134/8mlpnuyl1xhg/davwui5zonqbrd9/wine64-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm</A>&gt;
+wine64-devel
+&lt;<A HREF="http://199.91.153.76/gn4n3zowyhmg/ybcqx5nx8kt27rn/wine64-devel-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.153.76/gn4n3zowyhmg/ybcqx5nx8kt27rn/wine64-devel-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm</A>&gt;
+wine-debug
+&lt;<A HREF="http://205.196.122.24/gu4u1gciti9g/615tbbdz3lnatui/wine-debug-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm">http://205.196.122.24/gu4u1gciti9g/615tbbdz3lnatui/wine-debug-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm</A>&gt;
+wine.src.rpm
+&lt;<A HREF="http://205.196.122.24/3o1i3so62dlg/rkpc33a47klbbwb/wine-1.5.10-1.mga2.src.rpm">http://205.196.122.24/3o1i3so62dlg/rkpc33a47klbbwb/wine-1.5.10-1.mga2.src.rpm</A>&gt;
+
+You're welcome.
+
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+<PRE>Le 05/08/2012 01:30, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> If someone in this list should want to install latest wine-version for
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64 before they get backported into Mageia 2 released as stable I've
+</I>&gt;<i> used the Cauldron spec-file to build it against Mageia 2, click any of
+</I>&gt;<i> theese linked words:
+</I>
+wine 1.5.x will NEVER be released as stable!...
+If people start to send a mail here when they &quot;play with rpmbuild&quot;, I
+think that -discuss@ ML will become a pain to read. :-/
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+&gt;<i> [...]
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+ <B>Max Quarterpleen</B>
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+<PRE>I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it's running very
+hot.
+Much hotter than Windows and Mga1.
+Does anybody know of any way to help this?
+This not only makes it uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+
+On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300
+Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it's running
+</I>&gt;<i> very hot.
+</I>&gt;<i> Much hotter than Windows and Mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i> Does anybody know of any way to help this?
+</I>&gt;<i> This not only makes it uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental
+</I>&gt;<i> effect on battery life...
+</I>
+Your message is awfully short of details. What I'd like to know is:
+
+1. What is your laptop's model and specifications?
+
+2. Which desktop environment are you using?
+
+3. Which applications are you running?
+
+4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary driver?
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> 3. if possible, if you're using KDE, your akonadi also uses mariadb. so
+</I>&gt;<i> you
+</I>&gt;<i> can add this to your akonadi mariadb config file too, in mysqld section:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (in ~/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [mysqld]
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin_dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin-load=feedback.so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then restart akonadi with (akonadictl restart)
+</I>
+As someone pointed out correctly, plugin_dir does not need to be set for
+akonadi users. I tested this out and it does work with only adding
+
+plugin-load=feedback.so
+
+to the [mysqld] section.
+
+on a related note, there's a minor bug in the feedback reporting, which is
+fixed by this update: if people can update their mariadb packages from
+updates_testing and add a comment on the bug report, so this bug can be
+validated, that would be nice:
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6922">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6922</A>
+
+thanks in advance
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+ <B>Max Quarterpleen</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi Max,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it's running
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; very hot.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Much hotter than Windows and Mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Does anybody know of any way to help this?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This not only makes it uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; effect on battery life...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your message is awfully short of details. What I'd like to know is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. What is your laptop's model and specifications?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210.
+Specs from manufacturer's site:
+<A HREF="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</A>
+(I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Which desktop environment are you using?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+KDE 4.8.2
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Which applications are you running?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole.
+Occasionally Dolphin, Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing
+exceptionally heavy.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary driver?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i>From lshw:
+</I>*-display
+ description: VGA compatible controller
+ product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated
+Graphics Controller
+ vendor: Intel Corporation
+ physical id: 2
+ bus info: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pci at 0000</A>:00:02.0
+ version: 09
+ width: 64 bits
+ clock: 33MHz
+ capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
+ configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
+ resources: irq:41 memory:c0000000-c03fffff
+memory:b0000000-bfffffff ioport:4000(size=64)
+
+$ modinfo video
+filename:
+/lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz
+license: GPL
+description: ACPI Video Driver
+author: Bruno Ducrot
+srcversion: 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00
+alias: acpi*:LNXVIDEO:*
+depends:
+intree: Y
+vermagic: 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions
+parm: brightness_switch_enabled:bool
+parm: allow_duplicates:bool
+parm: use_bios_initial_backlight:bool
+
+I think that answers the question.
+Thanks.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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+</I>&gt;<i> Apple Inc. is Evil - <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/apple/">http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/apple/</A>
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+<PRE>Is anybody using BOINC? <A HREF="http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/">http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</A>
+
+The version on their website is slightly newer than the
+version in Mageia2's repository, but it complains about
+a glibc problem.
+
+Is it sensible to try and install a different glibc?
+Or to link a new number to the existing file?
+Or modify boinc?
+Or use the older version of boinc?
+Or submit an upgrade request? (How do you do that?)
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ./run_manager
+./boincmgr: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by
+./boincmgr)
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc.so.6
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 15 13:31 /lib64/libc.so.6 -&gt; libc-2.14.1.so*
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc-2*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1883280 Apr 28 13:23 /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so*
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ rpm -qf /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so
+glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2
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+&gt;<i> Hi Max,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> Max Quarterpleen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it's running
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> very hot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Much hotter than Windows and Mga1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does anybody know of any way to help this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This not only makes it uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> effect on battery life...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your message is awfully short of details. What I'd like to know is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. What is your laptop's model and specifications?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Which desktop environment are you using?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Which applications are you running?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary driver?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+Also, if you know how, run &quot;top&quot; and &quot;sensors&quot;
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+On 06/08/12 11:03, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Max,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300 Max Quarterpleen
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> running very hot. Much hotter than Windows and Mga1. Does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anybody know of any way to help this? This not only makes it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on battery
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> life...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your message is awfully short of details. What I'd like to know
+</I>&gt;<i> is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. What is your laptop's model and specifications?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210. Specs from manufacturer's
+</I>&gt;<i> site:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have a Toshiba Tecra, and it runs considerably cooler than my old Acer.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Which desktop environment are you using?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So am I.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Which applications are you running?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole. Occasionally Dolphin,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally
+</I>&gt;<i> heavy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I would normally have a heavier load than that.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary
+</I>&gt;<i> driver?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From lshw: *-display description: VGA compatible controller
+</I>&gt;<i> product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics
+</I>&gt;<i> Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pci at 0000</A>:00:02.0 version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz
+</I>&gt;<i> capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 resources: irq:41
+</I>&gt;<i> memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff
+</I>&gt;<i> ioport:4000(size=64)
+</I>
+ *-display
+ description: VGA compatible controller
+ product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
+ vendor: Intel Corporation
+ physical id: 2
+ bus info: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pci at 0000</A>:00:02.0
+ version: 12
+ width: 64 bits
+ clock: 33MHz
+ capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
+ configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
+ resources: irq:41 memory:d0000000-d03fffff
+memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:3058(size=8)
+
+Looks almost identical
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ modinfo video filename:
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> license: GPL description: ACPI Video Driver author: Bruno
+</I>&gt;<i> Ducrot srcversion: 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00 alias:
+</I>&gt;<i> acpi*:LNXVIDEO:* depends: intree: Y vermagic:
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions parm:
+</I>&gt;<i> brightness_switch_enabled:bool parm:
+</I>&gt;<i> allow_duplicates:bool parm:
+</I>&gt;<i> use_bios_initial_backlight:bool
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that answers the question. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The first thing I'd suggest is going into System Settings &gt; Desktop
+Search and turn off all indexing. If that solves your problem then
+you can either leave it off, or try closing all other software and
+letting the indexing happen overnight or while you are doing something
+elsewhere. The initial indexing does take a lot of resources and many
+people have found that their computers run hot while it is working.
+Usually, once the initial run is complete, it doesn't cause any real
+problem.
+
+HTH
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> Is anybody using BOINC? <A HREF="http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/">http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The version on their website is slightly newer than the
+</I>&gt;<i> version in Mageia2's repository, but it complains about
+</I>&gt;<i> a glibc problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it sensible to try and install a different glibc?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or to link a new number to the existing file?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or modify boinc?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or use the older version of boinc?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or submit an upgrade request? (How do you do that?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ./run_manager
+</I>&gt;<i> ./boincmgr: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by
+</I>&gt;<i> ./boincmgr)
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc.so.6
+</I>&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 15 13:31 /lib64/libc.so.6 -&gt; libc-2.14.1.so*
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc-2*
+</I>&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1883280 Apr 28 13:23 /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so*
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ rpm -qf /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so
+</I>&gt;<i> glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2
+</I>I have been using 6.10.58 from their web site, could not get our version to
+work and had similar problems to you with their newist version,
+--
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:37:53 +1000
+blind Pete &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Is anybody using BOINC? <A HREF="http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/">http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just for the record, the site is <A HREF="http://boinc.berkeley.edu/">http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</A> (You had
+a double <A HREF="http://">http://</A> there).
+
+&gt;<i> The version on their website is slightly newer than the
+</I>&gt;<i> version in Mageia2's repository, but it complains about
+</I>&gt;<i> a glibc problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it sensible to try and install a different glibc?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or to link a new number to the existing file?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or modify boinc?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or use the older version of boinc?
+</I>&gt;<i> Or submit an upgrade request? (How do you do that?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please don't install a different glibc - there lies the path
+to insanity. One option would be to rebuild boinc-client
+from source and compile it, or to update the package. I don't
+know if you can use the older version of boinc effectively, because
+I'm nto intimately familiar with it.
+
+You can submit an upgrade request on <A HREF="http://bugs.mageia.org/">http://bugs.mageia.org/</A> .
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ./run_manager
+</I>&gt;<i> ./boincmgr: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found
+</I>&gt;<i> (required by ./boincmgr)
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc.so.6
+</I>&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 15 13:31 /lib64/libc.so.6 -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> libc-2.14.1.so* [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc-2*
+</I>&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1883280 Apr 28 13:23 /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so*
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ rpm -qf /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so
+</I>&gt;<i> glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+There is no IGLU Cabal! Home&#8208;made Cabals eventually superseded the power and
+influence of the original IGLU Cabal, which was considered a cutting edge
+development at its time.
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+ <B>Max Quarterpleen</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 06/08/12 11:03, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Max,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300 Max Quarterpleen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; running very hot. Much hotter than Windows and Mga1. Does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; anybody know of any way to help this? This not only makes it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on battery
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; life...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Your message is awfully short of details. What I'd like to know
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. What is your laptop's model and specifications?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210. Specs from manufacturer's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; site:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a Toshiba Tecra, and it runs considerably cooler than my old Acer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. Which desktop environment are you using?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> So am I.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. Which applications are you running?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole. Occasionally Dolphin,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; heavy.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I would normally have a heavier load than that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; driver?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From lshw: *-display description: VGA compatible controller
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pci at 0000</A>:00:02.0 version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 resources: irq:41
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ioport:4000(size=64)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *-display
+</I>&gt;<i> description: VGA compatible controller
+</I>&gt;<i> product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
+</I>&gt;<i> vendor: Intel Corporation
+</I>&gt;<i> physical id: 2
+</I>&gt;<i> bus info: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pci at 0000</A>:00:02.0
+</I>&gt;<i> version: 12
+</I>&gt;<i> width: 64 bits
+</I>&gt;<i> clock: 33MHz
+</I>&gt;<i> capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
+</I>&gt;<i> resources: irq:41 memory:d0000000-d03fffff
+</I>&gt;<i> memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:3058(size=8)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks almost identical
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ modinfo video filename:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; license: GPL description: ACPI Video Driver author: Bruno
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ducrot srcversion: 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00 alias:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; acpi*:LNXVIDEO:* depends: intree: Y vermagic:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions parm:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; brightness_switch_enabled:bool parm:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; allow_duplicates:bool parm:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use_bios_initial_backlight:bool
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think that answers the question. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> The first thing I'd suggest is going into System Settings &gt; Desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> Search and turn off all indexing. If that solves your problem then
+</I>&gt;<i> you can either leave it off, or try closing all other software and
+</I>&gt;<i> letting the indexing happen overnight or while you are doing something
+</I>&gt;<i> elsewhere. The initial indexing does take a lot of resources and many
+</I>&gt;<i> people have found that their computers run hot while it is working.
+</I>&gt;<i> Usually, once the initial run is complete, it doesn't cause any real
+</I>&gt;<i> problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope. It's not the indexing.
+Top reports what I suspected: nothing taking more than 5% CPU time, and the
+two top contenders are Firefox and X.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HTH
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
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+ <B>Tony Blackwell</B>
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+<PRE>It's a bit cheeky to even suggest that mageia should be involved in
+fixing problems between 2 different proprietary systems, but by now I
+guess we're all aware of the blue faces problem with flash on U when
+using the proprietary Nvidia driver. This will be with us for as long
+as flash takes to die...
+
+However, there is a work-around patch for libvdpau, Interesting read as
+I had not understood the problem.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/06/fix-for-blue-faces-in-flash-video-bug.html">http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/06/fix-for-blue-faces-in-flash-video-bug.html</A>
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+Perhaps we could patch this?
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+I've bug reported it as Bug 6976
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+problems between 2 different proprietary systems, but by now I guess we're all
+aware of the blue faces problem with flash on U when using the proprietary
+Nvidia driver. This will be with us for as long as flash takes to die...
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+However, there is a work-around patch for libvdpau, Interesting read as I had
+not understood the problem.
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+<A HREF="http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/06/fix-for-blue-faces-in-flash-video-bug.html">http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/06/fix-for-blue-faces-in-flash-video-bug.html</A>
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+Perhaps we could patch this for Mageia 1 and 2?
+I've put this in as Bug 6976
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+&gt;<i> It's a bit cheeky to even suggest that mageia should be involved in fixing
+</I>&gt;<i> problems between 2 different proprietary systems, but by now I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> we're all
+</I>&gt;<i> aware of the blue faces problem with flash on U when using the proprietary
+</I>&gt;<i> Nvidia driver. This will be with us for as long as flash takes to die...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, there is a work-around patch for libvdpau, Interesting read as
+</I>&gt;<i> I had
+</I>&gt;<i> not understood the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/06/fix-for-blue-faces-in-flash-video-bug.html">http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/06/fix-for-blue-faces-in-flash-video-bug.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps we could patch this for Mageia 1 and 2?
+</I>&gt;<i> I've put this in as Bug 6976
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If you had been subscribed to updates-announce you would have known that
+it got pushed today :)
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0158">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0158</A>
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+Le 2012-08-06 07:17, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 06/08/12 11:03, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Max,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300 Max Quarterpleen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> running very hot. Much hotter than Windows and Mga1. Does
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anybody know of any way to help this? This not only makes it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on battery
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> life...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your message is awfully short of details. What I'd like to know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. What is your laptop's model and specifications?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210. Specs from manufacturer's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> site:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a Toshiba Tecra, and it runs considerably cooler than my old Acer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Which desktop environment are you using?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So am I.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Which applications are you running?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole. Occasionally Dolphin,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> heavy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would normally have a heavier load than that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> driver?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From lshw: *-display description: VGA compatible controller
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pci at 0000</A>:00:02.0 version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 resources: irq:41
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ioport:4000(size=64)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *-display
+</I>&gt;<i> description: VGA compatible controller
+</I>&gt;<i> product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
+</I>&gt;<i> vendor: Intel Corporation
+</I>&gt;<i> physical id: 2
+</I>&gt;<i> bus info: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pci at 0000</A>:00:02.0
+</I>&gt;<i> version: 12
+</I>&gt;<i> width: 64 bits
+</I>&gt;<i> clock: 33MHz
+</I>&gt;<i> capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
+</I>&gt;<i> resources: irq:41 memory:d0000000-d03fffff
+</I>&gt;<i> memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:3058(size=8)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks almost identical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ modinfo video filename:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> license: GPL description: ACPI Video Driver author: Bruno
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ducrot srcversion: 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00 alias:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> acpi*:LNXVIDEO:* depends: intree: Y vermagic:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions parm:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> brightness_switch_enabled:bool parm:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> allow_duplicates:bool parm:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use_bios_initial_backlight:bool
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that answers the question. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first thing I'd suggest is going into System Settings&gt; Desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> Search and turn off all indexing. If that solves your problem then
+</I>&gt;<i> you can either leave it off, or try closing all other software and
+</I>&gt;<i> letting the indexing happen overnight or while you are doing something
+</I>&gt;<i> elsewhere. The initial indexing does take a lot of resources and many
+</I>&gt;<i> people have found that their computers run hot while it is working.
+</I>&gt;<i> Usually, once the initial run is complete, it doesn't cause any real
+</I>&gt;<i> problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HTH
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>
+I just had a laptop returned that I installed Mageia2. It also was
+running hot. I turned off indexing and also turned of the 3D effects in
+KDE. This seemed to cool it down. I just returned the laptop to its
+owner and hope to hear from him later this week. He is running a Dell --
+I don't have the model specs here as I was hoping I had found the fix
+for the problem. I know the laptop has on onboard intel graphic chip and
+that the owner does a lot of YouTube.
+
+BTW ... my own laptop runs fine with indexing on and 3D effects, though
+I tend to turn it off by choice.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
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+;; WHEN: Tue Aug 7 02:46:16 2012
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+&gt;<i> DNS listing for linuxtracker.org is missing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone know the proper person(s) to correct?
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+Mail sent to DNS admins, will see if they responds...
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+&gt;<i> Jim Whitby skrev 7.8.2012 12:20:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DNS listing for linuxtracker.org is missing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone know the proper person(s) to correct?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Mail sent to DNS admins, will see if they responds...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thought about that, but my luck has never been good with those emails.
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+<PRE>Le 06/08/2012 13:17, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 06/08/12 11:03, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Max,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300 Max Quarterpleen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bogusman222 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; running very hot. Much hotter than Windows and Mga1. Does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; anybody know of any way to help this? This not only makes it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on battery
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; life...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Your message is awfully short of details. What I'd like to know
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. What is your laptop's model and specifications?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210. Specs from manufacturer's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; site:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a Toshiba Tecra, and it runs considerably cooler than my old Acer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. Which desktop environment are you using?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So am I.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. Which applications are you running?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole. Occasionally Dolphin,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; heavy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would normally have a heavier load than that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; driver?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From lshw: *-display description: VGA compatible controller
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pci at 0000</A>:00:02.0 version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 resources: irq:41
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ioport:4000(size=64)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *-display
+</I>&gt;<i> description: VGA compatible controller
+</I>&gt;<i> product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
+</I>&gt;<i> vendor: Intel Corporation
+</I>&gt;<i> physical id: 2
+</I>&gt;<i> bus info: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pci at 0000</A>:00:02.0
+</I>&gt;<i> version: 12
+</I>&gt;<i> width: 64 bits
+</I>&gt;<i> clock: 33MHz
+</I>&gt;<i> capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
+</I>&gt;<i> resources: irq:41 memory:d0000000-d03fffff
+</I>&gt;<i> memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:3058(size=8)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks almost identical
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ modinfo video filename:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; license: GPL description: ACPI Video Driver author: Bruno
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ducrot srcversion: 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00 alias:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; acpi*:LNXVIDEO:* depends: intree: Y vermagic:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions parm:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; brightness_switch_enabled:bool parm:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; allow_duplicates:bool parm:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use_bios_initial_backlight:bool
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think that answers the question. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first thing I'd suggest is going into System Settings &gt; Desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> Search and turn off all indexing. If that solves your problem then
+</I>&gt;<i> you can either leave it off, or try closing all other software and
+</I>&gt;<i> letting the indexing happen overnight or while you are doing something
+</I>&gt;<i> elsewhere. The initial indexing does take a lot of resources and many
+</I>&gt;<i> people have found that their computers run hot while it is working.
+</I>&gt;<i> Usually, once the initial run is complete, it doesn't cause any real
+</I>&gt;<i> problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HTH
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ages ago I had success running &quot;powertop&quot;,
+don't know if it is still available though.
+
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+We are currently too short on people who have time to watch the wiki.
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+If you see anything wrong in the wiki, please report to documentation
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+* on IRC <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/#mageia-doc">irc://irc.freenode.net/#mageia-doc</A>
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+* content that is imported without referring to the original page(s)
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+On 06/08/12 18:23, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+&gt;<i> Nope. It's not the indexing. Top reports what I suspected: nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> taking more than 5% CPU time, and the two top contenders are
+</I>&gt;<i> Firefox and X.
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+if it's X, it's probably the display, but since I seem to have the
+same one, I doubt that. OTOH, from time to time I've seen Firefox run
+away with resources and had to close it. After a few seconds
+everything returns to normal.
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+Marc mentioned desktop effects - I do have them turned off. Jpbfree
+mentioned powertop - although I haven't used it myself I've read some
+excellent reviews - it's probably a good idea to try that.
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+39'C. Currently indexing is running ( the first update of the day)
+and it is now 49'C.
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+Anne
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+&gt;<i> DNS listing for linuxtracker.org is missing.
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+ <B>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m</B>
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+released. Mageia 1 &amp; 2 have both been around for some time now so the
+structure should be available.
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+If there are any web developers here who are using spring2,
+we have a security update that needs qa testing for Mageia 2
+only.
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6625</A>
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+To install the package, install the current version using rpmdrake,
+then run the commands
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+urpmi.update Testing
+urpmi -a --media &quot;Core Updates Testing&quot; spring
+
+Please either add a comment to the bug report, or reply to this
+message, indicating if it's ok or not, and whether the test was
+done on i586 or x86-64.
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+Thanks, in advance.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ... for
+example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen shot?
+
+Thanks for the help.
+
+Marc
+
+Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2
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+<A HREF="http://www.parEntreprise.com">http://www.parEntreprise.com</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Monday 06 Aug 2012 20:37:53 blind Pete wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is anybody using BOINC? <A HREF="http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/">http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The version on their website is slightly newer than the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version in Mageia2's repository, but it complains about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a glibc problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it sensible to try and install a different glibc?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or to link a new number to the existing file?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or modify boinc?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or use the older version of boinc?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or submit an upgrade request? (How do you do that?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ./run_manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ./boincmgr: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ./boincmgr)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc.so.6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 15 13:31 /lib64/libc.so.6 -&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libc-2.14.1.so*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc-2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1883280 Apr 28 13:23 /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ rpm -qf /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been using 6.10.58 from their web site, could not get our version
+</I>&gt;<i> to work and had similar problems to you with their newist version,
+</I>
+The version supplied with Mageia 1 or 2? If 2, then go to
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6983">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6983</A> and change it
+from a feature request to a bug report. If 1, then you could
+open a new bug report.
+
+Anyway, I am currently using 6.12.34 on Mageia 1 - and they
+keep sending me little messages to upgrade. (In the event log.)
+
+There was something that I had to modify to make it run. If
+you want I can probably find what it was again, but it would
+probably be better to get a bug fix and make it available to
+everyone, and it is time to upgrade to Mageia2.
+
+--
+blind Pete
+Sig goes here...
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+&gt;<i> Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize it?
+</I>&gt;<i> And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ... for
+</I>&gt;<i> example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen shot?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2
+</I>
+Konsole does that, but with characters rather than pixels.
+
+You could set the screen size to 800x600, go full screen and then
+capture the whole screen.
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+&gt;<i> Hi Pete,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:37:53 +1000
+</I>&gt;<i> blind Pete &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is anybody using BOINC? <A HREF="http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/">http://http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for the record, the site is <A HREF="http://boinc.berkeley.edu/">http://boinc.berkeley.edu/</A> (You had
+</I>&gt;<i> a double <A HREF="http://">http://</A> there).
+</I>
+Clumsy cut'n'paste? :-(
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> The version on their website is slightly newer than the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version in Mageia2's repository, but it complains about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a glibc problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it sensible to try and install a different glibc?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or to link a new number to the existing file?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or modify boinc?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or use the older version of boinc?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or submit an upgrade request? (How do you do that?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't install a different glibc - there lies the path
+</I>&gt;<i> to insanity. One option would be to rebuild boinc-client
+</I>&gt;<i> from source and compile it, or to update the package. I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> know if you can use the older version of boinc effectively, because
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm nto intimately familiar with it.
+</I>
+One version is marked &quot;pre-release&quot; and the other is marked
+&quot;recommended&quot;. It is not obvious exactly what all of the changes
+are, but I assume numerous small fixes.
+
+&gt;<i> You can submit an upgrade request on <A HREF="http://bugs.mageia.org/">http://bugs.mageia.org/</A> .
+</I>
+Have done. <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6983">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6983</A>
+
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ./run_manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ./boincmgr: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (required by ./boincmgr)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc.so.6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 15 13:31 /lib64/libc.so.6 -&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libc-2.14.1.so* [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ ll /lib64/libc-2*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1883280 Apr 28 13:23 /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">psd at test</A> BOINC]$ rpm -qf /lib64/libc-2.14.1.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> glibc-2.14.1-8.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400
+Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize
+</I>&gt;<i> it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...
+</I>&gt;<i> for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen shot?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2
+</I>
+I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a functionality of displaying
+the dimensions of the windows when resizing it in my KDE version.
+
+Anyway, see:
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</A>
+
+Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Moving -&gt; &quot;Display window
+geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.
+
+I found it on a web search.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Hi Marc,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen shot?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a functionality of
+</I>&gt;<i> displaying the dimensions of the windows when resizing it in my KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, see:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Moving -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Display window geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I found it on a web search.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+Have a look in System Settings &gt; Window Behaviour &gt; Moving &gt; Display window
+geometry when moving or resizing.
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+&gt;<i> John Bowden wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> everyone, and it is time to upgrade to Mageia2.
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+
+On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:45:13 +0100
+Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richardwest at leiston.info</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 08 August 2012 13:19:01 Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Marc,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; shot?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; functionality of displaying the dimensions of the windows when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; resizing it in my KDE version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anyway, see:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Moving -&gt; &quot;Display window geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I found it on a web search.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have a look in System Settings &gt; Window Behaviour &gt; Moving &gt; Display
+</I>&gt;<i> window geometry when moving or resizing.
+</I>
+That's exactly what I said. Why did you repeat it? (And while replying to my reply and quoting
+it in its entirety?)
+
+Regards,
+
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+ <B>RICHARD WALKER</B>
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+desktop; you could try Xephyr. I use it like this to start an LXDE
+session in a new window on my desktop:
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+#!/bin/sh
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+Xephyr :1 -screen 800x600 -ac -br -dpi 96 &amp;
+sleep 2
+lxsession -display :1
+
+One caveat, I just discovered when pasting this back to a new shell
+file to check it; I seem to have picked up some /r characters at end
+of line from the browser and they needed to be cleaned from the shell
+file.
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+Instead of lxsession you could use whatever you like to start another
+window manager (kwin?) but changes you make to the Xephyr desktop will
+be changes you make to your normal desktop, unless you take
+precautions.
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+R
+
+On 08/08/2012, Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richardwest at leiston.info</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 08 August 2012 13:19:01 Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Marc,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen shot?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a functionality
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> displaying the dimensions of the windows when resizing it in my KDE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, see:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Moving -&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Display window geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I found it on a web search.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have a look in System Settings &gt; Window Behaviour &gt; Moving &gt; Display window
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> geometry when moving or resizing.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.leiston.info">http://www.leiston.info</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.rose-linux.net">http://www.rose-linux.net</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hi Richard,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:45:13 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richardwest at leiston.info</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wednesday 08 August 2012 13:19:01 Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi Marc,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; shot?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; functionality of displaying the dimensions of the windows when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; resizing it in my KDE version.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Anyway, see:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Moving -&gt; &quot;Display window geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I found it on a web search.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Have a look in System Settings &gt; Window Behaviour &gt; Moving &gt; Display
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; window geometry when moving or resizing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's exactly what I said. Why did you repeat it? (And while replying to my
+</I>&gt;<i> reply and quoting it in its entirety?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
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+ <B>Macxi</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+The blog tells the story of Mageia, with almost two years. This texts help you
+see the great work that has been done.
+
+Below, wiki pages with links to the news of Mageia blog:
+
+Wiki page: Inicial press:
+|<i>
+</I><A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fork#Blog_Mageia_en">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fork#Blog_Mageia_en</A>
+
+Mageia 1 press,
+Mageia 2 press and
+Mageia 3 press
+
+
+
+_______________________________________2012
+
+July 2012 (3)
+
+ They make Mageia: Claire Robinson aka MrsB
+ Mageia has been visiting Europe
+ The curtain falls on a great friend&#8230;
+
+
+June 2012 (3)
+
+ Cauldron is boiling again: never 2 without 3
+ Mageia is back at Solutions Linux 2012 in Paris
+ Mageia 2 updated is now available
+
+
+May 2012 (6)
+
+ We are replacing Mageia 2 background image
+ Our baby&#8217;s growing up: Mageia 2 is here
+ Mageia comes full circle
+ Time to get going &#8211; to Berlin!
+ Almost there: download Mageia 2 RC &#8211; new date for final release
+ Mageia is like good wine&#8230;
+
+
+April 2012 (4)
+
+ Last run for Mageia 2: test beta 3!
+ Mageia 2 beta 3 is on the way
+ And the winners are&#8230;
+ Revised release schedule for Mageia 2
+
+
+March 2012 (5)
+
+ Servers downtime
+ Board election results
+ Bug off!
+ Mageia 2 beta 2: near the goal!
+
+
+February 2012 (3)
+
+ Mageia 2 is approaching: test Mageia 2 beta 1
+ Mageia at FOSDEM 2012
+ Mageia 2 Artwork Contest
+
+
+January 2012 (4)
+
+ Scheduled servers downtime
+ Protect the Internet, say no to SOPA
+ Here comes Mageia 2 Alpha3!
+ Happy New Mageia Year!
+
+
+
+_______________________________________2011
+
+December 2011 (3)
+
+ Server outage
+ Next step &#8211; Alpha 2 is ready to test
+ Mageia at JDLL 2011
+
+
+November 2011 (7)
+
+ Looking better and better
+ Mageia 2 Alpha 1 &#8211; ready for testing!
+ First alpha ISOs for Mageia 2 due on the 25th of November
+ FrOSCon and OpenRheinRuhr: Mageia on tour
+ Mageia wiki finally online
+ Mageia at the 2011 OpenRheinRuhr (Germany)
+ Translation bug hunting days
+
+
+October 2011 (4)
+
+ New planning for Mageia 2
+ Translators rise and shine!
+ Million Dollar Baby&#8230;
+ They make Mageia: Samuel Verschelde
+
+
+September 2011 (5)
+
+ They make Mageia: Oliver Burger
+ It&#8217;s our birthday!
+ A bug&#8217;s life
+ Calling artwork and design people
+ A Mageia Rant
+
+
+July 2011 (3)
+
+ Mageia 2: release cycle, support and planning
+ Mageia at LSM 2011
+ They make Mageia: J&#233;r&#244;me Quelin
+
+
+June 2011 (4)
+
+ &#65279;Security, Updates and More &#8211; Oh My!
+ New clothes for Mageia: preview of ARM port is now available
+ Is there life after our first release?
+ Our baby is here: Mageia 1
+
+May 2011 (6)
+
+ Power outage on Mageia servers
+ Last few days before Mageia 1: some news from the front
+ Final release approaching now: RC available for last tests
+ Mageia abroad
+ Mageia @ Solutions Linux
+ Mageia at the Berlin Linuxtag
+
+April 2011 (5)
+
+ A newcomer in Mageia: Maven
+ Live CDs are now available for tests!
+ And now it&#8217;s time for beta 2
+ On the tests again!
+ Try Mageia 1 Beta1 right now!
+
+
+March 2011 (4)
+
+ Welcome in Mageia forums
+ Mageia 1 Alpha 2: Primavera is coming!
+ Mageia on display in Germany
+ Follow Mageia calendar and stay tuned!
+
+
+February 2011 (7)
+
+ First Mageia test day coming
+ Magic mirror, tell me Alpha2 will be another success!
+ A new Planet had been discovered
+ Starting with Mageia: download it!
+ Mageia at Fosdem 2011
+ Bootstrap? What bootstrap? I want Mageia ISO!
+ See you at FOSDEM
+
+
+January 2011 (3)
+
+ Back from application installer meeting
+ Mageia joins Open Invention Network
+ Happy new Mageia
+
+
+
+_______________________________________2010
+
+December 2010 (4)
+
+ First packagers meeting for Mageia
+ They speak about Mageia
+ Translators on the track
+ Habemus logo
+
+
+November 2010 (4)
+
+ Mageia under the snow
+ News about the association
+ Mageia supports LibreOffice
+ Mageia: under construction!
+
+
+October 2010 (6)
+
+ Few days more to create Mageia logo!
+ News from admins
+ One month later: Mageia&#8217;s home is almost habitable!
+ Home, Sweet Home!
+ Mageia news: another busy week!
+
+
+September 2010 (4)
+
+ Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, &#8230;)
+ New development release name has been chosen, Cauldron!
+ State of the Kitchen
+ Thank you!
+
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+<PRE>Hi Shlomi,
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+Le 2012-08-08 06:19, Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi Marc,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen shot?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a functionality of displaying
+</I>&gt;<i> the dimensions of the windows when resizing it in my KDE version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, see:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Moving -&gt; &quot;Display window
+</I>&gt;<i> geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I found it on a web search.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for the help. I enabled it, but it doesn't work. I am not using
+the KDE 3D desktop if that makes any difference -- I'm running on an
+older slower box and the 3D + effects just don't seem to play nice with
+the box. I am also using 2 monitors.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
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+but get it running - don't remember what exactly what :) but it is
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+2012/8/8 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> onsdagen den 8 augusti 2012 08.43.53 skrev blind Pete:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> John Bowden wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I have been using 6.10.58 from their web site, could not get our version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; to work and had similar problems to you with their newist version,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also use that 6.10.58 on mga1, since a half year or so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There was something that I had to modify to make it run. If
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you want I can probably find what it was again, but it would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> probably be better to get a bug fix and make it available to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everyone, and it is time to upgrade to Mageia2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I too remember i struggled a bit, but do not remember with what...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just wish it works when reinstalling my workstation to mga2 in a month or
+</I>&gt;<i> so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+ <B>Max Quarterpleen</B>
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+It's not the indexing.
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+ <B>Chopin S&#233;bastien</B>
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+&gt;<i> It's not 3D effects.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not the indexing.
+</I>&gt;<i> The fan is simply running ALL THE TIME.
+</I>Can you open system monitor to see if CPU works hard ?
+
+Else, clean your laptop with doing the hoovering if there is dust.
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+<PRE>On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Chopin S&#233;bastien &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">contact at sebastienchopin.fr</A>
+&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Le 09/08/2012 19:45, Max Quarterpleen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not 3D effects.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's not the indexing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The fan is simply running ALL THE TIME.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you open system monitor to see if CPU works hard ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is not. Always less than 15%.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Else, clean your laptop with doing the hoovering if there is dust.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Doesn't run so hot when booting Windoze.
+
+Also, the HDD temp is between 35 C and 39 C. Which is normal.
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> S&#233;bastien
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+&gt;<i> It is not. Always less than 15%.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Doesn't run so hot when booting Windoze.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, the HDD temp is between 35 C and 39 C. Which is normal.
+</I>
+How are you determining that it's hot? Is it just that the fan is always
+running? Does booting with noapic help?
+
+Liam
+
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+<PRE>Max Quarterpleen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">contact at sebastienchopin.fr</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">contact at sebastienchopin.fr</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 09/08/2012 19:45, Max Quarterpleen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not 3D effects.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not the indexing.
+</I>&gt;<i> The fan is simply running ALL THE TIME.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you open system monitor to see if CPU works hard ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is not. Always less than 15%.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Else, clean your laptop with doing the hoovering if there is dust.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't run so hot when booting Windoze.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, the HDD temp is between 35 C and 39 C. Which is normal.
+</I>
+So in other words, the problem is not necessarily that your computer is
+running hot,
+rather that the fan runs all the time, even when not needed.
+(The heat is essentially generated by the cpu.)
+You could try opening up the portable and cleaning out the dust that has
+(inevitably) accumulated. It might be affecting the temporature sensor
+which controls the fan.
+Otherwise it could be something in the power-saving configuration.
+(Like cpu frequency ?)
+
+With all the dancing monkeys and other effects, Microsoft systems almost
+always run hotter.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> S&#233;bastien
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>K3b complains about needing a prog called &quot;transcode&quot;; cannot find it in any
+of the sources, including testing and debug !
+
+Any idea where to find it, and why is it not available if K3b needs it ?
+
+Cheers,
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+Ron.
+--
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 08:35:31PM -0400, Michael Hill wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Do you have gnome-control-center?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I did not... I just installed it and it works. Uninstalled or not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upgraded at some point because of a missing dependency? Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-shell doesn't require gnome-control-center. I added a require on
+</I>&gt;<i> it. I'm guessing you uninstalled task-gnome-minimal.
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+Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
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+&gt;<i> K3b complains about needing a prog called &quot;transcode&quot;; cannot find it
+</I>&gt;<i> in any of the sources, including testing and debug !
+</I>
+
+You evidently installed k3b from &quot;tainted&quot; which does indeed need
+trancode and which is also available from from &quot;tainted&quot;.
+
+
+ Charles
+
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+Every time I lose weight, it finds me again!
+----------------------
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tuesday 07 August 2012 09:20:12 Jim Whitby wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; DNS listing for linuxtracker.org is missing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From their facebook page today.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [quote]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we're having an issue with our domain name that we hope to have
+</I>&gt;<i> resolved shortly. You can add a line in your hosts file to point to
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 66.135.37.158 linuxtracker.org dev.linuxtracker.org
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [/quote]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.leiston.info">http://www.leiston.info</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.rose-linux.net">http://www.rose-linux.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>For what its worth dept:
+
+Seems not many people are using the address.
+I'm seeing at most 4 ( average is 2 ) seeds and no leeches.
+
+
+
+--
+'Mounten' wird f&#252;r drei Dinge benutzt: 'Aufsitzen' auf Pferde, 'einklinken'
+von Festplatten in Dateisysteme, und, nun, 'besteigen' beim Sex.
+ -- Christa Keil
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
+3.3.6-server-2.mga2 x86_64
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+&gt;<i> You could try opening up the portable and cleaning out the dust that has
+</I>&gt;<i> (inevitably) accumulated. &#160;It might be affecting the temporature sensor
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+Dust is not the only enemy to elexctical equipment.
+A friend of mine had a laptop 11 years ago that he had constant problems with after 6 months. He turned it in for repairs. When he picked it up afterwards, the support staff said it was full of lard, grease or fat if you will. At that moment it dawned on him that perhaps the kitchen where they cooked their dinner was not the best place for a computer.
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+my Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection keeps getting disconnected. I tried running this script as root:
+
+&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+#!/bin/bash
+IP=&quot;10.0.0.138&quot;
+# IP=&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;
+while true ; do
+ if ! ping -c 4 &quot;$IP&quot; ; then
+ service network restart
+ # /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart
+ sleep 10
+ fi
+ sleep 5
+done
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It helps a lot, but sometimes one of the programs gets wedged as well,
+and I need to run &quot;pkill -9 ifplugd&quot; as well. Is there any way to tell
+NetworkManager, netapplet, or whatever the flavour of the day is to
+start the connection again promptly after a disconnect?
+
+My laptop's specs are:
+
+&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs:
+
+ Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64).
+ ATI Mobility Radeon&#8482; HD 4570 (r700)
+ 15.6&quot; 3D HD LCD Screen.
+ 3 GB Memory
+ 320 GB Hard Disk Drive.
+ &#8220;DVD Super Multi DL drive&#8221;
+ Acer Nplify&#8482; 802.11b/g/n.
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'd rather not have to baby sit it all the time.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
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+Chuck Norris was never a newbie! He will kill anyone who implies otherwise. In
+a very not newbie-like manner.
+
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+ <B>RICHARD WALKER</B>
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+
+I have another solution - works for me - but not necessarily
+recommended for the world. I use Mandriva 2008.1 on my laptop. Never
+had much in the way of keeping that connected. I occasionally have to
+pop the pcmcia wifi to get it to connect first time, but it usually
+(90% of the time) stays connected around the house.
+
+In contrast, I built a Mageia 2 Dell Inspiron laptop a few weeks ago
+and it is the devil's own job to keep connected and re-connect after
+it drops. Range to wifi gateway? I tested if at around 4feet - often
+drops connection after only a few hours or minutes (depending on ...
+temperature? Humidity? Day of the week?).
+
+To change the subject from a problem which possibly has a solution to
+one which (so far as I can tell) hasn't; I see you have had an
+interest in computer games of the timewasting solo variety; can I
+interest you in a puzzle which has troubled me for decades?
+
+Do you know those little plastic squares with 24 alphabet tiles in a
+5x5 grid? The idea is to push the tiles around until you have them in
+alphabetic order left to right, top to bottom, with an empty square in
+the bottom right corner.
+
+Back in the mid-eighties I wrote a version of this game for my
+Sinclair QL. I stored the tiles in a one-dimension array where they
+were initially shuffled.
+
+I discovered, after much trial and error, that the chances of being
+able to solve the puzzle after shuffling is almost exactly 1 in 2. The
+problem is that 50% of shuffles results in an order where, by the
+rules of tile movement, two adjacent tiles must be exchanged - and
+that is not possible.
+
+Any ideas how to test the shuffled result to determine if such a
+transposition exists _without_ solving the game?
+
+Just a thought.
+
+Richard
+
+On 10/08/2012, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection keeps getting disconnected. I
+</I>&gt;<i> tried running this script as root:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> #!/bin/bash
+</I>&gt;<i> IP=&quot;10.0.0.138&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> # IP=&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> while true ; do
+</I>&gt;<i> if ! ping -c 4 &quot;$IP&quot; ; then
+</I>&gt;<i> service network restart
+</I>&gt;<i> # /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart
+</I>&gt;<i> sleep 10
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i> sleep 5
+</I>&gt;<i> done
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It helps a lot, but sometimes one of the programs gets wedged as well,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I need to run &quot;pkill -9 ifplugd&quot; as well. Is there any way to tell
+</I>&gt;<i> NetworkManager, netapplet, or whatever the flavour of the day is to
+</I>&gt;<i> start the connection again promptly after a disconnect?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My laptop's specs are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64).
+</I>&gt;<i> ATI Mobility Radeon&#8482; HD 4570 (r700)
+</I>&gt;<i> 15.6&quot; 3D HD LCD Screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 GB Memory
+</I>&gt;<i> 320 GB Hard Disk Drive.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8220;DVD Super Multi DL drive&#8221;
+</I>&gt;<i> Acer Nplify&#8482; 802.11b/g/n.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd rather not have to baby sit it all the time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Humanity&quot; - Parody of Modern Life - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/humanity">http://shlom.in/humanity</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Chuck Norris was never a newbie! He will kill anyone who implies otherwise.
+</I>&gt;<i> In
+</I>&gt;<i> a very not newbie-like manner.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+<PRE>On Friday 10 August 2012 11:09:30 Shlomi Fish wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection keeps getting disconnected. I
+</I>&gt;<i> tried running this script as root:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> #!/bin/bash
+</I>&gt;<i> IP=&quot;10.0.0.138&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> # IP=&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> while true ; do
+</I>&gt;<i> if ! ping -c 4 &quot;$IP&quot; ; then
+</I>&gt;<i> service network restart
+</I>&gt;<i> # /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart
+</I>&gt;<i> sleep 10
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>&gt;<i> sleep 5
+</I>&gt;<i> done
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It helps a lot, but sometimes one of the programs gets wedged as well,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I need to run &quot;pkill -9 ifplugd&quot; as well. Is there any way to tell
+</I>&gt;<i> NetworkManager, netapplet, or whatever the flavour of the day is to
+</I>&gt;<i> start the connection again promptly after a disconnect?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My laptop's specs are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64).
+</I>&gt;<i> ATI Mobility Radeon&#8482; HD 4570 (r700)
+</I>&gt;<i> 15.6&quot; 3D HD LCD Screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 GB Memory
+</I>&gt;<i> 320 GB Hard Disk Drive.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8220;DVD Super Multi DL drive&#8221;
+</I>&gt;<i> Acer Nplify&#8482; 802.11b/g/n.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd rather not have to baby sit it all the time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+Not sure if it's relevant but I find that if I set &quot;Allow access point
+roaming&quot; in network center it solves it for me.
+--
+Richard.
+
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+<PRE>On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Liam R E Quin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">liam at holoweb.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 00:04 +0300, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is not. Always less than 15%.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Doesn't run so hot when booting Windoze.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also, the HDD temp is between 35 C and 39 C. Which is normal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How are you determining that it's hot? Is it just that the fan is always
+</I>&gt;<i> running? Does booting with noapic help?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the HDD is
+not climbing above 40C.
+I haven't figured out how to limit the CPU in power saving options (KDE). I
+will be grateful for any help with this.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
+</I>&gt;<i> Co-author, 5th edition of &quot;Beginning XML&quot;, Wrox, July 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Do you know those little plastic squares with 24 alphabet tiles in a
+</I>&gt;<i> 5x5 grid? The idea is to push the tiles around until you have them in
+</I>&gt;<i> alphabetic order left to right, top to bottom, with an empty square in
+</I>&gt;<i> the bottom right corner.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Back in the mid-eighties I wrote a version of this game for my
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinclair QL. I stored the tiles in a one-dimension array where they
+</I>&gt;<i> were initially shuffled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I discovered, after much trial and error, that the chances of being
+</I>&gt;<i> able to solve the puzzle after shuffling is almost exactly 1 in 2. The
+</I>&gt;<i> problem is that 50% of shuffles results in an order where, by the
+</I>&gt;<i> rules of tile movement, two adjacent tiles must be exchanged - and
+</I>&gt;<i> that is not possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas how to test the shuffled result to determine if such a
+</I>&gt;<i> transposition exists without solving the game?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+One solution is not to randomise the array, but start from the solved position
+and do 50 random (but legal) moves. This will leave a position from which you
+can guarantee there is at least one solution (the reverse of the 50 random
+moves).
+
+Cheers
+
+Deri
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati</B>
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+<PRE>On Thursday 09 Aug 2012 20:23 my mailbox was graced by a message from Charles
+A Edwards who wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; K3b complains about needing a prog called &quot;transcode&quot;; cannot find it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in any of the sources, including testing and debug !
+</I>
+&gt;<i> You evidently installed k3b from &quot;tainted&quot; which does indeed need
+</I>&gt;<i> trancode and which is also available from from &quot;tainted&quot;.
+</I>
+No transcode in Tainted or anywhere else; I know since, for a check, I
+selected ALL the available sources..
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+
+PS Mageia 1
+--
+ &#191;Porqu&#233; a medida que se incrementa el costo de la vida,
+ tambien se excrementa la calidad de &#233;sta ?
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday 09 Aug 2012 20:23 my mailbox was graced by a message from Charles
+</I>&gt;<i> A Edwards who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> K3b complains about needing a prog called &quot;transcode&quot;; cannot find it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in any of the sources, including testing and debug !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You evidently installed k3b from &quot;tainted&quot; which does indeed need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trancode and which is also available from from &quot;tainted&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> No transcode in Tainted or anywhere else; I know since, for a check, I
+</I>&gt;<i> selected ALL the available sources..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS Mageia 1
+</I>That must be it (Mageia 1) because my Mageia2 has
+transcode-1.1.7-1.mga2.tainted. But I did have K3b working in Mageia
+1. Used it to burn the mageia 2 ISOs. ??
+
+Len
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+&gt;<i> That must be it (Mageia 1) because my Mageia2 has
+</I>&gt;<i> transcode-1.1.7-1.mga2.tainted. But I did have K3b working in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Used it to burn the mageia 2 ISOs. ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I believe transcode is only needed to decrypt CSS-encrypted DVDs.
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+&gt;<i> I believe transcode is only needed to decrypt CSS-encrypted DVDs.
+</I>
+Wrong. I believe you are thinking about libdvdcss2.
+Transcode is a console based video processing utility.
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 10 August 2012 17:04, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I believe transcode is only needed to decrypt CSS-encrypted DVDs.
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrong. I believe you are thinking about libdvdcss2.
+</I>&gt;<i> Transcode is a console based video processing utility.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:22:38 +0100
+Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richardwest at leiston.info</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 10 August 2012 11:09:30 Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection keeps getting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; disconnected. I tried running this script as root:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #!/bin/bash
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; IP=&quot;10.0.0.138&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # IP=&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; while true ; do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if ! ping -c 4 &quot;$IP&quot; ; then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; service network restart
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sleep 10
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sleep 5
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; done
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It helps a lot, but sometimes one of the programs gets wedged as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well, and I need to run &quot;pkill -9 ifplugd&quot; as well. Is there any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way to tell NetworkManager, netapplet, or whatever the flavour of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the day is to start the connection again promptly after a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; disconnect?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My laptop's specs are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ATI Mobility Radeon&#8482; HD 4570 (r700)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 15.6&quot; 3D HD LCD Screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3 GB Memory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 320 GB Hard Disk Drive.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#8220;DVD Super Multi DL drive&#8221;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Acer Nplify&#8482; 802.11b/g/n.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd rather not have to baby sit it all the time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure if it's relevant but I find that if I set &quot;Allow access
+</I>&gt;<i> point roaming&quot; in network center it solves it for me.
+</I>
+I set it now and am trying it with this option set (after rebooting,
+which it appears I had to do). Seems OK to fine (even without running
+my script), but only time and experience can tell.
+
+Thanks!
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+ <B>Richard</B>
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+<PRE>On Friday 10 August 2012 19:32:23 Shlomi Fish wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Richard,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:22:38 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richardwest at leiston.info</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Friday 10 August 2012 11:09:30 Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; my Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection keeps getting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; disconnected. I tried running this script as root:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; #!/bin/bash
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; IP=&quot;10.0.0.138&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; # IP=&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; while true ; do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; if ! ping -c 4 &quot;$IP&quot; ; then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; service network restart
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; # /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; sleep 10
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; fi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; sleep 5
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; done
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; It helps a lot, but sometimes one of the programs gets wedged as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; well, and I need to run &quot;pkill -9 ifplugd&quot; as well. Is there any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; way to tell NetworkManager, netapplet, or whatever the flavour of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the day is to start the connection again promptly after a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; disconnect?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; My laptop's specs are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ATI Mobility Radeon&#8482; HD 4570 (r700)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 15.6&quot; 3D HD LCD Screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 3 GB Memory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 320 GB Hard Disk Drive.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &#8220;DVD Super Multi DL drive&#8221;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Acer Nplify&#8482; 802.11b/g/n.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'd rather not have to baby sit it all the time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Not sure if it's relevant but I find that if I set &quot;Allow access
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; point roaming&quot; in network center it solves it for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I set it now and am trying it with this option set (after rebooting,
+</I>&gt;<i> which it appears I had to do). Seems OK to fine (even without running
+</I>&gt;<i> my script), but only time and experience can tell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+Fingers crossed then. I've always found it helped.
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+On 10/08/12 10:39, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+&gt;<i> By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the
+</I>&gt;<i> HDD is not climbing above 40C. I haven't figured out how to limit
+</I>&gt;<i> the CPU in power saving options (KDE). I will be grateful for any
+</I>&gt;<i> help with this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Have you tried playing around with the power saving options attached
+to the battery widget? I've never been convinced that it's a good
+place for them, but as long as they are available I don't suppose it
+matters where, and there is a sort of logic, in that battery powered
+devices are more power-sensitive.
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+ <B>Tony Blackwell</B>
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+<PRE>An issue now in buying new hardware. SUSE seem to have come up with a
+useful approach.
+See:
+<A HREF="http://www.suse.com/blogs/uefi-secure-boot-details/">http://www.suse.com/blogs/uefi-secure-boot-details/</A>
+
+and comment from Matthew Garrett:
+<A HREF="http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/15818.html">http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/15818.html</A>
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+Useful for Mageia?
+Tonyb
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+&gt;<i> See:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/blogs/uefi-secure-boot-details/">http://www.suse.com/blogs/uefi-secure-boot-details/</A>
+</I>
+ Also:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/SUSE-details-its-Secure-Boot-">http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/SUSE-details-its-Secure-Boot-</A>
+plans-1664699.html
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+ <B>Goh Lip</B>
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+&gt;<i> An issue now in buying new hardware. SUSE seem to have come up with a
+</I>&gt;<i> useful approach.
+</I>
+
+Personally, as things stand as it is, I'd opt for disabling secure boot
+and if Windows 8 won't boot (with disabled secure boot), so be it.
+
+While there are malwares through the boot process, its occurrence by
+this means is insignificant and can be easily remedied if it occur. I
+personally think this issue is overblown (by Microsoft) for obvious
+(diabolical) reasons. I don't think we should be held ramson or play
+along with Microsoft as Redhat (and Suse) are proposing to do. I also
+disagree with Canonical's method where a good boot system has to be
+jettisoned just to circumvent it.
+
+For the record, I have my own (non OS) grub2 in its own partition that
+boots everything (including Windows and more) but in no way this affect
+my position.
+
+I understand that for many new users, going through loops (to disable
+secure boot) may not be feasible just to dual boot but while it can be
+done by more experienced users, I'll just give Windows a miss if they
+proceed with it.
+
+Darn, but I cannot transfer files from my computer to Google Nexus
+without going through Windows (or Apple), anybody found a way to do that
+in Linux? (OTG usb won't work in jelly bean too)
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+Cheers - Goh Lip
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 10/08/12 10:39, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; HDD is not climbing above 40C. I haven't figured out how to limit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the CPU in power saving options (KDE). I will be grateful for any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; help with this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Have you tried playing around with the power saving options attached
+</I>&gt;<i> to the battery widget? I've never been convinced that it's a good
+</I>&gt;<i> place for them, but as long as they are available I don't suppose it
+</I>&gt;<i> matters where, and there is a sort of logic, in that battery powered
+</I>&gt;<i> devices are more power-sensitive.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, that was the first place I looked.
+The only things one can adjust there are actions performed when buttons
+pressed/lid closed and the screen brightness. There does not seem to be an
+easy to to configure CPU levels.
+There is, however, an option to run a script. So supposedly someone could
+write a script that will limit the CPU levels, but that's a little beyond
+me.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
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+ <B>KevinO</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/11/2012 11:18 AM, Goh Lip wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Darn, but I cannot transfer files from my computer to Google Nexus without going
+</I>&gt;<i> through Windows (or Apple), anybody found a way to do that in Linux? (OTG usb
+</I>&gt;<i> won't work in jelly bean too)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers - Goh Lip
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have a Nexus 7 and a laptop running Mageia 1 with Gnome as the display manager.
+
+After connecting the USB cable to the two devices, log into the Nexus and use the
+pull-down screen on the Nexus to put the device into PTP mode. If needed, unplug
+the USB cable, wait a few seconds, and plug it back in again. A Nautilus screen
+will pop up and allow you to drag-and-drop files.
+
+You will only be able to move files from/to the Nexus in a couple of directories,
+but you can use a file manager app on the Nexus to get around this.
+
+Works for me....
+
+--
+KevinO
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Have you tried playing around with the power saving options attached
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to the battery widget? I've never been convinced that it's a good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> place for them, but as long as they are available I don't suppose it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> matters where, and there is a sort of logic, in that battery powered
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> devices are more power-sensitive.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, that was the first place I looked.
+</I>&gt;<i> The only things one can adjust there are actions performed when buttons
+</I>&gt;<i> pressed/lid closed and the screen brightness. There does not seem to be an
+</I>&gt;<i> easy to to configure CPU levels.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is, however, an option to run a script. So supposedly someone could
+</I>&gt;<i> write a script that will limit the CPU levels, but that's a little beyond
+</I>&gt;<i> me.
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Do you have the cpufreq package installed?
+By default, it sets your CPU governor to ondemand, which adapts the
+CPU frequency according to the power needs.
+
+--
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Liam R E Quin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">liam at holoweb.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; How are you determining that it's hot? Is it just that the fan is always
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; running? Does booting with noapic help?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the HDD is
+</I>&gt;<i> not climbing above 40C.
+</I>
+Erm, this sounds like your system is *not* running hot, but that the fan
+is always on.
+
+It's difficult to guess from such incomplete information. You could try
+running &quot;powertop&quot; in a console (konsole?) and see, but I think you said
+your CPUs were not at 100% busy. So it might be a bios issue with your
+laptop, e.g. needing a special boot option with the latest kernel.
+
+
+--
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
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+&gt;<i> On 08/11/2012 11:18 AM, Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Darn, but I cannot transfer files from my computer to Google Nexus without going
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> through Windows (or Apple), anybody found a way to do that in Linux? (OTG usb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> won't work in jelly bean too)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers - Goh Lip
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a Nexus 7 and a laptop running Mageia 1 with Gnome as the display manager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After connecting the USB cable to the two devices, log into the Nexus and use the
+</I>&gt;<i> pull-down screen on the Nexus to put the device into PTP mode. If needed, unplug
+</I>&gt;<i> the USB cable, wait a few seconds, and plug it back in again. A Nautilus screen
+</I>&gt;<i> will pop up and allow you to drag-and-drop files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You will only be able to move files from/to the Nexus in a couple of directories,
+</I>&gt;<i> but you can use a file manager app on the Nexus to get around this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Works for me....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hey, it works on my Bodhi Linux (E17) PCfm file manager.
+My Mageia (and others) are KDE and doesn't work with Dolphin file
+manager. I don't have any Gnome (or Unity) installed anywhere.
+
+Thanks for your help, Kevin. Appreciate it.
+
+Now if I can get OTG usb drive to work...
+Maybe if I root the device....but the Nexus 7 is too new
+
+So I have no reason now to use Windows...unless my sons bring more than
+3 friends over to play networked Starcraft... ;(
+
+Cheers and thanks - Goh Lip
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+&quot;Personally, as things stand as it is, I'd opt for disabling secure boot
+and if Windows 8 won't boot (with disabled secure boot), so be it.&quot;
+
+My current understanding from communications with ASUS and Gigabyte is
+that their BIOS's will not provide any way to disable secure boot. Does
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+&gt;<i> Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Personally, as things stand as it is, I'd opt for disabling secure boot and
+</I>&gt;<i> if Windows 8 won't boot (with disabled secure boot), so be it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My current understanding from communications with ASUS and Gigabyte is that
+</I>&gt;<i> their BIOS's will not provide any way to disable secure boot. Does anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> have further info re this?
+</I>
+If these informations are correct then both are not respecting
+Microsoft's &quot;rules&quot;: Microsoft requirements for standard desktop
+computers bearing the Windows 8 logo say that Secure Boot can be
+disabled.
+
+Since 4 weeks a big German OEM (Medion) for the mass market offers a
+PC with UEFI, where UEFI is disabled by default. The MoBo is a
+MSI-Mainboard MS-7800. The PC comes with Windows 7 and an upgrade
+option for Windows 8.
+<A HREF="http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html">http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html</A>
+
+The only architecture Microsoft demands a UEFI which can't be disabled
+is the ARM architecture.
+
+Personally I must admit that I never thought that SuSE nor Fedora
+would spread Microsoft FUD. Still they do.
+Mageia should not pay any attention.
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+&gt;<i> My current understanding from communications with ASUS and Gigabyte is
+</I>&gt;<i> that their BIOS's will not provide any way to disable secure boot.
+</I>
+ In which case won't pre-Windows 8 versions of Windows fail to boot?
+
+Can you quote a source w.r.t. ASUS &amp; Gigabyte situation, please?
+
+ (See <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bwcjruu">http://tinyurl.com/bwcjruu</A> for one that *does* appear to
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 12/08/12 12:28, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:49:18 +1000, Tony Blackwell wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My current understanding from communications with ASUS and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gigabyte is that their BIOS's will not provide any way to disable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> secure boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In which case won't pre-Windows 8 versions of Windows fail to
+</I>&gt;<i> boot?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you quote a source w.r.t. ASUS &amp; Gigabyte situation, please?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (See <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bwcjruu">http://tinyurl.com/bwcjruu</A> for one that *does* appear to
+</I>&gt;<i> provide 'disable Secure Boot'.)
+</I>
+There's still far too much guesswork on how this is going to work.
+Interestingly, when I enlarged the image in that link I saw &quot;UEFI
+Secure Boot can only be activated on the MS 7800 motherboard once
+administrator and user passwords have been set&quot; - implying that it is
+not set out-of-the-box.
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+Anne
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+<PRE>Am 08.08.2012 23:00, schrieb Marc Par&#233;:
+&gt;<i> Hi Shlomi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2012-08-08 06:19, Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Marc,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen shot?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a functionality of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> displaying
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the dimensions of the windows when resizing it in my KDE version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, see:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Moving
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -&gt; &quot;Display window
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I found it on a web search.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the help. I enabled it, but it doesn't work. I am not using the
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE 3D desktop if that makes any difference -- I'm running on an older slower
+</I>&gt;<i> box and the 3D + effects just don't seem to play nice with the box. I am also
+</I>&gt;<i> using 2 monitors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Why not simply right-click on the window title -&gt; advanced -&gt;
+special settingsfor this program (or window, whatever you want)
+and then under the &quot;Size and position&quot; tab adjust as you want?
+You can even set it to remember the settings or force them,
+and other neat things.
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 12:39 +0300, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Liam R E Quin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">liam at holoweb.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; How are you determining that it's hot? Is it just that the fan is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; always running? Does booting with noapic help?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the HDD is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not climbing above 40C.
+</I>
+Can you see CPU and GPU temperature ?
+
+Can you see fan speed?
+
+&gt;<i> Erm, this sounds like your system is *not* running hot, but that the fan
+</I>&gt;<i> is always on.
+</I>
+On T61my HD is cooler than that even when CPU is working hard and is 80 C
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's difficult to guess from such incomplete information. You could try
+</I>&gt;<i> running &quot;powertop&quot; in a console (konsole?) and see, but I think you said
+</I>&gt;<i> your CPUs were not at 100% busy. So it might be a bios issue with your
+</I>&gt;<i> laptop, e.g. needing a special boot option with the latest kernel.
+</I>
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+Le 2012-08-12 12:03, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Why not simply right-click on the window title -&gt; advanced -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> special settingsfor this program (or window, whatever you want)
+</I>&gt;<i> and then under the &quot;Size and position&quot; tab adjust as you want?
+</I>&gt;<i> You can even set it to remember the settings or force them,
+</I>&gt;<i> and other neat things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yup, will do this instead. Thanks for the help!
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
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+ <B>Max Quarterpleen</B>
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+ <I>Mon Aug 13 08:56:57 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> s&#246;ndagen den 12 augusti 2012 01.51.34 skrev Liam R E Quin:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 12:39 +0300, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Liam R E Quin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">liam at holoweb.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; How are you determining that it's hot? Is it just that the fan is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; always running? Does booting with noapic help?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the HDD
+</I>&gt;<i> is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; not climbing above 40C.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you see CPU and GPU temperature ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nope.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Can you see fan speed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nope.
+Maybe I'm missing some packages...?
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Erm, this sounds like your system is *not* running hot, but that the fan
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is always on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On T61my HD is cooler than that even when CPU is working hard and is 80 C
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's difficult to guess from such incomplete information. You could try
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; running &quot;powertop&quot; in a console (konsole?) and see, but I think you said
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; your CPUs were not at 100% busy. So it might be a bios issue with your
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; laptop, e.g. needing a special boot option with the latest kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+ <B>Tony Blackwell</B>
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+<PRE>re:
+&gt;<i> My current understanding from communications with ASUS and Gigabyte is
+</I>&gt;<i> that their BIOS's will not provide any way to disable secure boot.
+</I>
+ In which case won't pre-Windows 8 versions of Windows fail to boot?
+
+Can you quote a source w.r.t. ASUS &amp; Gigabyte situation, please?
+
+
+
+A. My responses from: (See also ref to relevant lwn discussion at tail
+of this)
+(Have I over-interpreted their replies: you judge)
+
+1. ASUS (The actual motherboard mentioned was just one of their new
+UEFI ones I selected to keep the website happy)
+
+ASUS CASEID=RWTM20120422197363025-780
+&lt;snip&gt;
+Dear Valued Customer,
+Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.
+My name is Andrew and it's my pleasure to help you with your problem.
+You can install the other OS on the board.But we do dnot support drives
+for Linux on this board.
+Welcome to refer Troubleshooting &amp; FAQ for ASUS products in ASUS website:
+<A HREF="http://support.asus.com/servicehome.aspx?SLanguage=en">http://support.asus.com/servicehome.aspx?SLanguage=en</A>
+If you continue to experience issues in the future, please do not
+hesitate to contact us.
+Best Regards,
+Andrew
+
+---------- Original Message ----------
+ From : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tablackwell at bigpond.com</A>
+Sent : 2012-4-22 11:07:11
+To : &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tsd at asus.com.tw</A>&quot;
+Subject : &lt;TSD&gt; Motherboard SABERTOOTH X79
+
+[Product Information]
+*Product Type : Motherboard
+*Product Model : SABERTOOTH X79
+&lt;snip&gt;
+[CPU Specification]
+*CPU Vendor : intel
+*CPU Type : 2011
+*CPU Speed : 3.3
+&lt;snip&gt;
+*Operating System : Linux
+
+[Problem Description]
+We are looking at buying motherboards based on the Intel 2011 pinout,
+for use with
+linux.. You use UEFI. Do you provide a way to disable secure boot to
+enable us to
+boot any linux or other operating system of our choice? How do you
+implement this?
+
+With thanks,
+Tony Blackwell
+Medical Multimedia
+
+
+And a further response from ASUS:
+
+Dear Valued Customer,
+Unfortunately, UEFI bios can not turn off.
+But it doesn't matter what OS you wan to isntall .
+Best Regards,
+Andrew
+
+---------- Original Message ----------
+ From : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tablackwell at bigpond.com</A>
+Sent : 2012-4-23 7:02:17
+To : &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tsd at asus.com.tw</A>&quot;
+Subject : Re:Re:&lt;TSD&gt; Motherboard SABERTOOTH X79
+[ID=RWTM20120422197363025-780]
+
+[CASEID=WTM2012042315107754]
+
+Dear Andrew,
+Thankyou for the prompt reply. Unfortunately you didn't answer my
+question about
+UEFI at all.
+I am asking about _all_ your Intel 2011 pin-out boards.
+I ask again, does your UEFI have a way to turn off secure boot?
+Alternatively, have you
+set it up so it will only boot Microsoft software?
+Do you have any Intel 2011 boards with a UEFI where the user can turn
+off secure
+boot? Which models?
+Thanks for your time
+Regards,
+
+2. From Gigabyte:
+My question and their answer is at:
+<A HREF="http://ggts.gigabyte.com.tw/gtsemail.asp?UserEmail=tablackwell@bigpond.com&amp;EmailID=1212853&amp;EmailPreviousID=1212853&amp;OpenEmail=Y&amp;LanguageID=1">http://ggts.gigabyte.com.tw/gtsemail.asp?UserEmail=tablackwell@bigpond.com&amp;EmailID=1212853&amp;EmailPreviousID=1212853&amp;OpenEmail=Y&amp;LanguageID=1</A>
+
+
+
+3. See relevant lwn discussion:
+
+<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/510764/#Comments">http://lwn.net/Articles/510764/#Comments</A>
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:40:20 +1000, Tony Blackwell wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Unfortunately, UEFI bios can not turn off.
+</I>
+ I had the same non-reply from a UK PC assembler (which uses ASUS
+MB's).
+
+ They don't seem aware of Secure Boot, and assume you want to turn
+UEFI itself off, which is nonsense.
+
+&gt;<i> But it doesn't matter what OS you wan to isntall .
+</I>
+ Which seems to suggest Secure Boot *can* be disabled!
+
+--
+/\/\aurice
+
+
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+ <B>David W. Hodgins</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:07:07 -0400, Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:40:20 +1000, Tony Blackwell wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately, UEFI bios can not turn off.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had the same non-reply from a UK PC assembler (which uses ASUS
+</I>&gt;<i> MB's).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They don't seem aware of Secure Boot, and assume you want to turn
+</I>&gt;<i> UEFI itself off, which is nonsense.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But it doesn't matter what OS you wan to isntall .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which seems to suggest Secure Boot *can* be disabled!
+</I>
+I've recently bought an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX, which is a uefi
+motherboard.
+
+Secure boot cannot be ENabled. There is no such option yet
+in the existing ASUS motherboards, hence the support staff
+don't have a clue what is being asked.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Tony Blackwell</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageia lwn publicity">tablackwell at bigpond.com
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+e.g. Monday:
+
+*Mageia* has updated dropbear &lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511043/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511043/</A>&gt; (code
+execution), *wireshark* (M1 &lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511044/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511044/</A>&gt;; M2
+&lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511049/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511049/</A>&gt;: denial of service), dokuwiki
+&lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511045/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511045/</A>&gt; (cross-site scripting), python3
+&lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511046/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511046/</A>&gt; (data leaks, memory damage, and
+crash), gypsy &lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511047/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511047/</A>&gt; (multiple
+vulnerabilities), icecast &lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511050/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511050/</A>&gt; (forged log
+entries), openttd &lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511051/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511051/</A>&gt; (denial of service),
+libxml2 &lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511052/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511052/</A>&gt; (denial of service), ettercap
+&lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511053/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511053/</A>&gt; (insecure settings file), acpid
+&lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511055/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511055/</A>&gt; (M1: multiple vulnerabilities), and
+acpid &lt;<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/511056/">http://lwn.net/Articles/511056/</A>&gt; (M2: privilege escalation).
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:07:07 -0400, Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:40:20 +1000, Tony Blackwell wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately, UEFI bios can not turn off.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had the same non-reply from a UK PC assembler (which uses ASUS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MB's).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned
+somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that
+he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> They don't seem aware of Secure Boot, and assume you want to turn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UEFI itself off, which is nonsense.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But it doesn't matter what OS you wan to isntall .
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which seems to suggest Secure Boot *can* be disabled!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've recently bought an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX, which is a uefi
+</I>&gt;<i> motherboard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Secure boot cannot be ENabled. There is no such option yet
+</I>&gt;<i> in the existing ASUS motherboards, hence the support staff
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have a clue what is being asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+&gt;<i> How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.
+</I>
+I think the best place to search for answer is the user's manual
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+&gt;<i> Secure boot cannot be ENabled. There is no such option yet
+</I>&gt;<i> in the existing ASUS motherboards, hence the support staff
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have a clue what is being asked.
+</I>
+ Could explain my supplier's apparent confusion!
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+&gt;<i> How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that
+</I>&gt;<i> he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.
+</I>
+ In my case, by obtaining confirmation beforehand.
+
+If they don't know (or if they do know but cannot confirm a 'Disable
+Secure Boot' option is available) , I don't buy, and explain why.
+
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+&gt;<i> 2012/8/14 Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it
+</I>&gt;<i> mentioned somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances
+</I>&gt;<i> are that he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the
+</I>&gt;<i> answer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the best place to search for answer is the user's manual
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Surely! I was thinking about something more evident such as a sticker, some
+text shown at POST time, etc.
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+&gt;<i> Sander
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If they don't know (or if they do know but cannot confirm a 'Disable
+</I>&gt;<i> Secure Boot' option is available) , I don't buy, and explain why.
+</I>
+This &quot;If they don't know (or if they do know but cannot confirm 'foo')
+I don't buy&quot; is a general rule I've been following since I switched to
+Linux many years ago. If I go out shopping for a complete machine I
+always have current Linux cd/stick with me to test the modell on
+location. If they don't let me test I don't buy. If they confirm
+&quot;works with Linux&quot; and it doesn't I send it back (which I have done a
+couple of times).
+
+As easy as that. Of course this may mean that you may not get that
+&quot;extra cheap special offer&quot;.
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:58:19 +0200, Alejandro L&#243;pez wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I was thinking about something more evident such as a sticker, some
+</I>&gt;<i> text shown at POST time, etc.
+</I>
+ The motherboard's manual seems a good place to look.
+
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+<PRE>On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:01:35 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> If they confirm &quot;works with Linux&quot;
+</I>
+ Some PC suppliers have no interest in Linux users and would not give
+any such assurance, e.g. (from actual email):
+
+&quot;We don&#8217;t support Linux and this is the only people this affects.
+ If it [Disable Secure Boot option] is missing, ASUS have disabled
+it, we are not or have not gone out of our way to remove that option.&quot;
+
+Anorher company was less negative:
+
+&quot;This is something we have yet to agree on as a company. In the weeks
+coming up to the launch of Windows 8 we will be making it clear whether
+secure boot will be enabled or disabled but we cannot say yet.
+ I am afraid it is impossible for me to answer your question
+definitively until we have final Windows 8 in our hands - it may end up
+being a non-issue. Certainly with the consumer preview there is no
+problem running it alongside non-windows OS - I do it myself.
+ I've been all through the BIOS of a P8Z77-V motherboard and there are
+no options to enable or disable secure boot specifically. Indeed you
+need to &quot;force&quot; the system to boot in UEFI mode by going to the boot tab
+and selecting the &#8220;Boot Override section&#8221;. Here you find an entry for
+your DVD drive but will also find another entry at the bottom of the
+section for the same DVD but prefixed with UEFI: one clicks on this
+entry to boot in UEFI mode. We need to do this regularly to allow HDD
+drives larger than 3TB to be used.&quot;
+
+And the 3rd company:
+
+&quot;It is my understanding that by default Asus motherboards Boot in
+non-UEFI mode. Windows 8 is the first natively UEFI aware Microsoft
+operating system and we can boot, for example, Ubuntu and redhat disro
+disks no problem using the Z77 series of boards.&quot;
+
+--
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+
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 14/08/12 12:45, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:27:32 +0200, Alejandro L&#243;pez wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mentioned somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but chances are that he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and will invent the answer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my case, by obtaining confirmation beforehand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If they don't know (or if they do know but cannot confirm a
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Disable Secure Boot' option is available) , I don't buy, and
+</I>&gt;<i> explain why.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>While I consider that a sensible rule generally, I don't in this case.
+ I don't want to disable secure boot for windows - I want to be able
+to dual-boot knowing that windows is as secure as it can be. I'm
+afraid that for linux distros I'll be following your rule - if it
+doesn't give me access to suitable keys so that I can dual-boot
+securely, I'll change my distro.
+
+Anne
+- --
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:48:08 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I don't want to disable secure boot for windows - I want to be able
+</I>&gt;<i> to dual-boot knowing that windows is as secure as it can be.
+</I>
+ First and foremost I want to disable Secure Boot so that I continue to
+use my computer the way I have always used it.
+ As I have no interest in Windows 8 (which is essentially Windows
+7 with some non-desktop gimmicks tacked on), I would continue with
+using (non-UEFI) Windows 7 on one occasion each year (to compile the
+family DVD), leaving Secure Boot firmly off.
+
+Even if, eventually, I had to move on to Windows 9 or whatever with
+Secure Boot on, I would tolerate enabling Secure Boot once a year as
+before., then back to Disabled for normal life under Linux.
+
+&gt;<i> I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> afraid that for linux distros I'll be following your rule - if it
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't give me access to suitable keys so that I can dual-boot
+</I>&gt;<i> securely, I'll change my distro.
+</I>
+ If you would be continually switching between Windows 8 and Linux
+then I would understand the reluctance to have to keep
+enabling/disabling Secure Boot to do so, and switching to a
+distro that will load under Secure Boot (e.g. Fedora, Ubuntu, SUSE)
+would avoid that.
+
+I look forward to reading accounts of efforts to install Windows 8 as
+a guest on VirtualBox under Linux...
+
+--
+/\/\aurice
+
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+ <B>David W. Hodgins</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:27:32 -0400, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that
+</I>&gt;<i> he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.
+</I>
+The best way, in my opinion, is to find out what motherboard is in the
+system, find the user manual online, and check it out.
+
+Given the story at
+<A HREF="http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html">http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html</A>
+at present, anything that has been on the market for more than 1 month,
+will NOT have secure boot available, let alone not be able to be disabled.
+
+So, it's only going to become a problem at some point in the future.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Alejandro L&#243;pez</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:25 PM, David W. Hodgins
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:27:32 -0400, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The best way, in my opinion, is to find out what motherboard is in the
+</I>&gt;<i> system, find the user manual online, and check it out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Given the story at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.h-online.com/**security/news/item/Aldi-PC-**">http://www.h-online.com/**security/news/item/Aldi-PC-**</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> becomes-first-retail-PC-with-**UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html&lt;<A HREF="http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html">http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> at present, anything that has been on the market for more than 1 month,
+</I>&gt;<i> will NOT have secure boot available, let alone not be able to be disabled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, it's only going to become a problem at some point in the future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+This was very isntructive. Thanks.
+
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+Alejandro.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>Tony Blackwell skrev 11.8.2012 08:02:
+&gt;<i> An issue now in buying new hardware. SUSE seem to have come up with a
+</I>&gt;<i> useful approach.
+</I>&gt;<i> See:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/blogs/uefi-secure-boot-details/">http://www.suse.com/blogs/uefi-secure-boot-details/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and comment from Matthew Garrett:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/15818.html">http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/15818.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Useful for Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> Tonyb
+</I>
+
+I must say I'm amused by the fact that MS marketing machinery has
+managed to fool an entire industry and users into thinking that
+the UEFI &quot;Secure Boot&quot; actually will make their systems more
+secure...
+
+The attack vector is still pretty &quot;simple&quot;...
+With the amount of hw/sw vendors out there, it will not take long
+for the &quot;signing key / tools&quot; will leak out in the wild...
+(if it's not already available)
+
+Yes, keys/certs can be revoked, and new added, but that's the
+next attack vector... compromise the tool used to revoke/add keys,
+and you get automatic adding of new compromized keys...
+and so on....
+
+Point is that if someone manage to come up with &quot;a supposedly
+secure system&quot; there will always be someone else that will
+figure out how to break it....
+
+And people will go on thinking their systems is more secure,
+click on everything they find on the net, and get compromized
+systems again... and wonder what happend...
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you all likely know, at mageia we replaced MySQL with MariaDB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When MariaDB devs told me that it seemed their biggest market was Windows,
+</I>&gt;<i> I was really astounded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They then referred me to the feedback plug and this statistics page:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mariadb.org/feedback_plugin/stats/os/">http://mariadb.org/feedback_plugin/stats/os/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The explanation is quite simple:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Windows users need to download the version from MariaDB site (which has
+</I>&gt;<i> feedback enabled by default).
+</I>&gt;<i> - Linux users can get it from MariaDB site, or from their own distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> (and
+</I>&gt;<i> those versions don't have feedback enabled by default at all...) (for good
+</I>&gt;<i> reason).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Still, the numbers are completely wrong, and therefor, i urge all of you
+</I>&gt;<i> to load the feedback plugin for all servers you manage! so that these
+</I>&gt;<i> statistics can better influence both MariaDB and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How to enable feedback plugin? easy:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. install mariadb-feedback package
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. load it in your config file, by adding it to your plugin-load line:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (in /etc/my.cnf )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin_dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin-load=ha_archive.so;ha_blackhole.so;ha_federatedx.so;feedback.so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. if possible, if you're using KDE, your akonadi also uses mariadb. so
+</I>&gt;<i> you can add this to your akonadi mariadb config file too, in mysqld
+</I>&gt;<i> section:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (in ~/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf )
+</I>
+Could that file be overwritten in an update?
+There is a comment in that file that suggests
+personalization should be somewhere else.
+
+&gt;<i> [mysqld]
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin_dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin-load=feedback.so
+</I>
+Perhaps create a file ~/.config/akonadi/mysql-local.conf
+that contains the line
+
+plugin-load=feedback.so
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> then restart akonadi with (akonadictl restart)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks in advance,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AL13N (mageia mariadb maintainer)
+</I>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 15 augustus 2012 12:38:47 schreef blind Pete:
+&gt;<i> AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As you all likely know, at mageia we replaced MySQL with MariaDB.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When MariaDB devs told me that it seemed their biggest market was Windows,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was really astounded.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; They then referred me to the feedback plug and this statistics page:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mariadb.org/feedback_plugin/stats/os/">http://mariadb.org/feedback_plugin/stats/os/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The explanation is quite simple:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Windows users need to download the version from MariaDB site (which has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; feedback enabled by default).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Linux users can get it from MariaDB site, or from their own distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; those versions don't have feedback enabled by default at all...) (for good
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reason).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Still, the numbers are completely wrong, and therefor, i urge all of you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to load the feedback plugin for all servers you manage! so that these
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; statistics can better influence both MariaDB and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How to enable feedback plugin? easy:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. install mariadb-feedback package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. load it in your config file, by adding it to your plugin-load line:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (in /etc/my.cnf )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plugin_dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plugin-load=ha_archive.so;ha_blackhole.so;ha_federatedx.so;feedback.so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. if possible, if you're using KDE, your akonadi also uses mariadb. so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you can add this to your akonadi mariadb config file too, in mysqld
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; section:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (in ~/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could that file be overwritten in an update?
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a comment in that file that suggests
+</I>&gt;<i> personalization should be somewhere else.
+</I>
+i don't think so, since it's in the user's homedir...
+
+if it's being overwritten, it'll be overwritten by the akonadi program itself,
+or maybe akonadiconsole or something... but i doubt it, i think it's only
+being made for new users...
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; [mysqld]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plugin_dir=/usr/lib64/mysql/plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plugin-load=feedback.so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps create a file ~/.config/akonadi/mysql-local.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> that contains the line
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin-load=feedback.so
+</I>
+but if that's the file that's being used for custom things, then sure, by all
+means.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; then restart akonadi with (akonadictl restart)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thanks in advance,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; AL13N (mageia mariadb maintainer)
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+ <B>David Walser</B>
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+&gt;<i> Mageia is now seen in public (LWN) as a well-maintained distribution.
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+Now someone just needs to convince them to add all of our old security advisories :o)
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+ <B>Paul Simon</B>
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+ <I>Fri Aug 17 01:34:18 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Mageia 1.
+
+Most times when I open an application from the desktop or command line it
+will open and in about one second will close, i.e., Firefox. Recently
+installed Opera behaves normally. I've lost Webmin after upgrade.
+Sometimes the app will open and will close with a mouse click. This all
+seemed to happen after I inadvertently change the application open style and
+back.
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+I would like to fix this without reloading the OS.
+
+Thanks for your help.
+
+Paul Simon
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+ <B>Remco Rijnders</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 04:34:18PM -0700, Paul wrote in
+&lt;k0k027$48v$<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">1 at ger.gmane.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>Mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Most times when I open an application from the desktop or command line it
+</I>&gt;<i>will open and in about one second will close, i.e., Firefox. Recently
+</I>&gt;<i>installed Opera behaves normally. I've lost Webmin after upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i>Sometimes the app will open and will close with a mouse click. This all
+</I>&gt;<i>seemed to happen after I inadvertently change the application open style and
+</I>&gt;<i>back.
+</I>
+So for my understanding, typing firefox at the command line in an xterm
+causes it to open and then close right away on your desktop? Is anything
+shown in the console when this happens?
+
+What desktop environment do you use, and can you let us know how you
+changed the &quot;application open style&quot;? Please give detailed instructions as
+I'm unfamiliar with this terminology, though perhaps it sounds more
+familiar to one of the other readers here.
+
+&gt;<i>I would like to fix this without reloading the OS.
+</I>
+That should be doable.
+
+Remmy
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+&quot;On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 04:34:18PM -0700, Paul wrote in
+&lt;k0k027$48v$<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">1 at ger.gmane.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>Mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Most times when I open an application from the desktop or command line it
+</I>&gt;<i>will open and in about one second will close, i.e., Firefox. Recently
+</I>&gt;<i>installed Opera behaves normally. I've lost Webmin after upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i>Sometimes the app will open and will close with a mouse click. This all
+</I>&gt;<i>seemed to happen after I inadvertently change the application open style
+</I>&gt;<i>and
+</I>&gt;<i>back.
+</I>
+So for my understanding, typing firefox at the command line in an xterm
+causes it to open and then close right away on your desktop? Is anything
+shown in the console when this happens?
+
+-------------------------------------
+If I type &quot;firefox&quot; at the command line, firefox opens and closes quickly,
+and the following two lines appear:
+
+failed to create drawable
+trace/breakpoint trap
+-------------------------------
+What desktop environment do you use, and can you let us know how you
+changed the &quot;application open style&quot;? Please give detailed instructions as
+I'm unfamiliar with this terminology, though perhaps it sounds more
+familiar to one of the other readers here.
+
+--------------------------------
+I&quot;m using KDE, whatever was the default installation with whatever Mageia
+updates were made.
+
+My posing the question as usual brings more questions to mind and exploring
+again possible answers etc.
+
+What I apparently did was to change from &quot;classic menu style&quot; to
+&quot;application launcher style.&quot; I now can switch back and forth, and in
+addition have been able to change the right click on the desktop to the
+original, which had changed and had not mentioned before. But the launch
+problem persists.
+
+In addition, by switching user to xguest, everything works ok.
+
+Thanks
+
+-----------------------------------------------------------
+
+&gt;<i>I would like to fix this without reloading the OS.
+</I>
+That should be doable.
+
+Remmy
+Remco Rijnders&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A>&gt; wrote in
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+ <B>TJ</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/14/2012 11:43 AM, Maurice Batey wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> I look forward to reading accounts of efforts to install Windows 8 as
+</I>&gt;<i> a guest on VirtualBox under Linux...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>My WAG is that if needed, it won't be long before VirtualBox simulates
+secure boot well enough to satisfy Windows 8.
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+TJ
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 08/14/2012 11:43 AM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I look forward to reading accounts of efforts to install Windows 8 as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a guest on VirtualBox under Linux...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My WAG is that if needed, it won't be long before VirtualBox simulates
+</I>secure boot well enough to satisfy Windows 8.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TJ
+</I>
+Windows 8 doesn't require secure boot. It can be installed on older
+hardware w/o problems. And it runs quite well on Virtualbox. Only guest
+additions won't work too well.
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+ <B>Goh Lip</B>
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+ <I>Sat Aug 18 09:55:51 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i> Windows 8 doesn't require secure boot. It can be installed on older
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware w/o problems. And it runs quite well on Virtualbox. Only guest
+</I>&gt;<i> additions won't work too well.
+</I>
+
+Release date of Windows 8 is Ocotober 26. What you're having is
+Developer Preview or Consumer Preview which will run on Bios/UEFI,
+MSDos/GPT (like Windows 7) and these do not require 'secure boot'.
+
+An as 'secure boot' is concerned, as of 4 weeks ago, there were no
+motherboards manufactured with it.
+
+BTW and referring to an earlier post, Linux will happily run on
+Bios/UEFI, MsDos/GPT too and one can have GPT partition with Bios on it
+also.
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+As for Microsoft's 'secure boot', there is nothing we've seen yet.
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>fredagen den 17 augusti 2012 07.12.24 skrev Paul Simon:
+&gt;<i> In addition, by switching user to xguest, everything works ok.
+</I>
+OK, then one possibility is to make KDE use defgault settings.
+
+KDE store user settings etc somewhere in the hidden folder .kde4 in your home
+directory.
+
+Quick fix:
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+*while NOT logged in as you user*, rename it, and then log in as you, and KDE
+will recreate it with default settings.
+
+Rename, do not delete!
+
+If it works, think about if you want to copy back some applications files/data
+from the renamed folder.
+There are a lot of apps in ~/.kde4/share/apps
+notably the kmail folder if you store yourmail there.
+
+You wil then have made a fresh start of everything you did not copy back.
+
+Possibly instead of all above you could just rename whatever that folder is
+where KDE store its settings you have problem with... maybe
+~/.kde4/share/config/
+(again, while not logged in as you)
+
+I think you should try that first
+
+Someone more into KDE may fill in here...
+
+You might also want to try the KDE forum or search the web
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+Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+On 18/08/12 22:00, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote:
+&gt;<i> fredagen den 17 augusti 2012 07.12.24 skrev Paul Simon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In addition, by switching user to xguest, everything works ok.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, then one possibility is to make KDE use defgault settings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE store user settings etc somewhere in the hidden folder .kde4
+</I>&gt;<i> in your home directory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quick fix:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *while NOT logged in as you user*, rename it, and then log in as
+</I>&gt;<i> you, and KDE will recreate it with default settings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Rename, do not delete!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>A good habit to cultivate, which can save untold heartache and labour!
+
+&gt;<i> If it works, think about if you want to copy back some
+</I>&gt;<i> applications files/data from the renamed folder. There are a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> apps in ~/.kde4/share/apps notably the kmail folder if you store
+</I>&gt;<i> yourmail there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You wil then have made a fresh start of everything you did not
+</I>&gt;<i> copy back.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Possibly instead of all above you could just rename whatever that
+</I>&gt;<i> folder is where KDE store its settings you have problem with...
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe ~/.kde4/share/config/ (again, while not logged in as you)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you should try that first
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone more into KDE may fill in here...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You might also want to try the KDE forum or search the web
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Basically this is the right approach, IMO. However, most often such
+problems are caused by configuration not by data or applications, so
+I'd try renaming ~/.kde4/share/config before doing anything else. If
+that works, identify configurations that are important to you and not
+quick to regenerate, and start to copy them over. *BUT*, copy only
+one item at a time, testing thoroughly before adding something else.
+The configuration that has caused your problem should then become
+obvious and the rest can be restored if necessary.
+
+Anne
+- --
+Need KDE help? Try
+<A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A> or
+<A HREF="http://forum.kde.org">http://forum.kde.org</A>
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+&quot;Anne Wilson&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote in message
+news:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">5030AC40.2030504 at kde.org...</A>
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+On 18/08/12 22:00, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote:
+&gt;<i> fredagen den 17 augusti 2012 07.12.24 skrev Paul Simon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In addition, by switching user to xguest, everything works ok.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, then one possibility is to make KDE use defgault settings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE store user settings etc somewhere in the hidden folder .kde4
+</I>&gt;<i> in your home directory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quick fix:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *while NOT logged in as you user*, rename it, and then log in as
+</I>&gt;<i> you, and KDE will recreate it with default settings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Rename, do not delete!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>A good habit to cultivate, which can save untold heartache and labour!
+
+&gt;<i> If it works, think about if you want to copy back some
+</I>&gt;<i> applications files/data from the renamed folder. There are a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> apps in ~/.kde4/share/apps notably the kmail folder if you store
+</I>&gt;<i> yourmail there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You wil then have made a fresh start of everything you did not
+</I>&gt;<i> copy back.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Possibly instead of all above you could just rename whatever that
+</I>&gt;<i> folder is where KDE store its settings you have problem with...
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe ~/.kde4/share/config/ (again, while not logged in as you)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you should try that first
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone more into KDE may fill in here...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You might also want to try the KDE forum or search the web
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Basically this is the right approach, IMO. However, most often such
+problems are caused by configuration not by data or applications, so
+I'd try renaming ~/.kde4/share/config before doing anything else. If
+that works, identify configurations that are important to you and not
+quick to regenerate, and start to copy them over. *BUT*, copy only
+one item at a time, testing thoroughly before adding something else.
+The configuration that has caused your problem should then become
+obvious and the rest can be restored if necessary.
+
+Anne
+- --
+Need KDE help? Try
+<A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A> or
+<A HREF="http://forum.kde.org">http://forum.kde.org</A>
+
+Thank you all. I have not had a chance to work on this but expect to in the
+next day or so. I'll report back as soon as I do.
+
+Paul
+
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+ <B>Paul Simon</B>
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+<PRE>Thank you all very much for your help and insight. I have followed Morgan's
+suggestion (I'm a brave fool :-) . The Mageia group is doing a wonderful
+job. I wish that I could participate more but my knowledge is somewhere
+between novice and intermediate, and I do promote Mageia as much as I can.
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+<PRE>Am 20.08.2012 21:11, schrieb Paul Simon:
+&gt;<i> Thank you all very much for your help and insight. I have followed Morgan's
+</I>&gt;<i> suggestion (I'm a brave fool :-) . The Mageia group is doing a wonderful
+</I>&gt;<i> job. I wish that I could participate more but my knowledge is somewhere
+</I>&gt;<i> between novice and intermediate, and I do promote Mageia as much as I can.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Paul
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, by giving constructive critics, or doing bug reports or just
+participating and using the distro you do already contribute ;)
+But there's more: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/">http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/</A>
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+ <B>Oto</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] LTSP">economia.leme at gmail.com
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+ <I>Mon Aug 20 21:29:27 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>playerum &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">controle.um at ...</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll start some tests with LTSP and l need to know if someone uses the LTSP
+</I>with Mageia?
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm also interested. I currently use ltsp in ubuntu/mint.
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+ <B>blind Pete</B>
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+<PRE>My system is a rather modified Mageia 1. Vanilla kernel 3.5.2 (for
+my dvb tuner). The latest nVidia driver, from nVidia, because I was
+afraid that the Mageia packaged versions would not like the vanilla
+kernel. A new GT 610, which is way better than the five year old
+ATI that it replaced.
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+Runlevels 1, 2, and 3 look good. Ctl-Alt-Fn works fine. Runlevel 5
+looks good, both X sessions look fine Ctl-Alt-F8 and Ctl-Alt-F9,
+except that the virtual terminals on Ctl-Alt-F1 etc. have the lower
+two thirds blanked out.
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+Any ideas?
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+--
+blind Pete
+Sig goes here...
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:55:17 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I've recently bought an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX, which is a uefi
+</I>&gt;<i> motherboard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Secure boot cannot be ENabled.
+</I>
+Ditto recently a Samsung NC110 netbook, whose BIOS (American
+Megatrends Aptio) settings include:
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+ &quot;UEFI Boot support:
+ 'Enabled': System boots Legacy OS and UEFI OS
+ 'Disabled': System boots Legacy OS only&quot;
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+Make of that what you will!
+--
+/\/\aurice
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+ <B>Goh Lip</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/21/2012 07:50 PM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:55:17 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've recently bought an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX, which is a uefi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> motherboard.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Secure boot cannot be ENabled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ditto recently a Samsung NC110 netbook, whose BIOS (American
+</I>&gt;<i> Megatrends Aptio) settings include:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;UEFI Boot support:
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Enabled': System boots Legacy OS and UEFI OS
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Disabled': System boots Legacy OS only&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Make of that what you will!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Maurice, I think you know what this means, but just to be clear,
+in the transition to UEFI, some motherboards (yours apparently) allow
+the 'traditional' BIOS (hence disabled UEFI, not disabled 'secure boot')
+to help users overcome the confusion.
+But you *can* have UEFI enabled and still boot linux OS's (but that
+requires grub2 and not grub-legacy). *And* you need gpt partitioning
+instead of msdos.
+
+And in no way it says anything about 'secure boot' which the Free
+Software Foundation aptly calls 'restricted boot'.
+
+cheers
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:42:01 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
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+&gt;<i> But you *can* have UEFI enabled and still boot linux OS's (but that
+</I>&gt;<i> requires grub2 and not grub-legacy). *And* you need gpt partitioning
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of msdos.
+</I>
+ OIC.. So with UEFI Boot Support disabled, one does
+not get the benefits of UEFI - whatever they may be.
+
+&gt;<i> And in no way it says anything about 'secure boot' which the Free
+</I>&gt;<i> Software Foundation aptly calls 'restricted boot'.
+</I>
+ That's right - no mention of 'Secure/Restricted Boot'.
+ It came with Windows 7 installed, by the way.
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+Am about to install Mageia-2 alongside it, using Clonezilla to back up
+the Windows partition, Gparted to sort the partitions out, and the
+Mageia-2 install DVD.iso - all set up on USB flash drives (as no optical
+drive on netbook).
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+/\/\aurice
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+ <B>Goh Lip</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/21/2012 10:23 PM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am about to install Mageia-2 alongside it, using Clonezilla to back up
+</I>&gt;<i> the Windows partition, Gparted to sort the partitions out, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-2 install DVD.iso - all set up on USB flash drives (as no optical
+</I>&gt;<i> drive on netbook).
+</I>
+Early warning. -
+[1] Mageia comes with grub-legacy, so be careful installing on UEFI.
+You'll need grub2 on it.
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+[2] Need to partition you whole hard disk as gpt and need some
+extraneaous partitions and need flag it as 'boot'
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+[3] there's more...
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+So please read up more before you proceed.
+
+cheers
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+<PRE>On 08/21/2012 10:23 PM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> OIC.. So with UEFI Boot Support disabled, one does
+</I>&gt;<i> not get the benefits of UEFI - whatever they may be.
+</I>
+BIOS has been around for about 30 years and it has been doing a
+tremendous job in coping with new improvements as they come - multiple
+hard drives, large capacity drives, partition sectors, ide, sata, lvm,
+usb, etc...
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+but...we should give it a nice retirement home.
+and ...make sure microsoft do not spoil the new brat before its debut.
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:48:51 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
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+&gt;<i> be careful installing on UEFI.
+</I>
+ UEFI is Disabled at the moment, and as I have no intention of
+Enabling it presumably none of the problems you point to applies.
+
+An interesting pre-Mageia install question is: If I were to Enable UEFI,
+who/what will re-organise the current Windows 7 installation as you
+describe to suit, and when?!
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+/\/\aurice
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+&gt;<i> Am 20.08.2012 21:11, schrieb Paul Simon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thank you all very much for your help and insight. I have followed Morgan's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggestion (I'm a brave fool :-) . The Mageia group is doing a wonderful
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> job. I wish that I could participate more but my knowledge is somewhere
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> between novice and intermediate, and I do promote Mageia as much as I can.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Paul
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, by giving constructive critics, or doing bug reports or just
+</I>&gt;<i> participating and using the distro you do already contribute ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> But there's more: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/">http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I recommend the QA team ;)
+
+Claire (MrsB)
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+<PRE>On 08/21/2012 11:41 PM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:48:51 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be careful installing on UEFI.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> UEFI is Disabled at the moment, and as I have no intention of
+</I>&gt;<i> Enabling it presumably none of the problems you point to applies.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An interesting pre-Mageia install question is: If I were to Enable UEFI,
+</I>&gt;<i> who/what will re-organise the current Windows 7 installation as you
+</I>&gt;<i> describe to suit, and when?!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Maurice,
+
+[1] GPT partitioning -
+Most likely, your disk is GPT partitioned and windows 7 installed on it
+with at least 2 partitions (one for boot and probably one more for
+recovery besides the usual OS partition). As mentioned earlier, Windows
+7 (and Linux) will work on BIOS and GPT partitioning. As for enabling
+UEFI, windows 7 will work without 'redoing' the partitioning (if it is
+already GPT) but you may have to redo the boot (boot.ini? - but I really
+don't know for windows). You can try it out by enabling UEFI and check
+if it boots Windows 7 without any changes.
+
+You can check if your disk is GPT partitioned by booting a livecd and at
+terminal (root), &quot;fdisk -lu&quot; If it is GPT, it will give an error message
+(nothing to worry about, fdisk won't work on GPT, that's all).
+
+[2] Grub-legacy
+First a disclaimer - I have not used grub-legacy for about 5 years, all
+my OS's boots/grubs are 'set' or 'installed' (wrong term, but that's
+what it's being used) to their own partitions, including Mageia's
+grub-legacy boot. And while I've used/tested GPT partitioning using
+BIOS, it is with grub2, not with grub-legacy, I am unsure if Mageia's
+grub-legacy could work with GPT and here's a link to help somewhat..
+<A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/bios.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/bios.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html</A>
+
+So please approach this with caution even though I am sure grub2 will
+definitely work with BIOS/GPT and will install alongside Windows 7's
+GPT/BIOS.
+
+[3] Installation
+I 'refound' this link that helped me (I don't have Sabayon) the most in
+this aspect.
+<A HREF="http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Install_Sabayon_with_GRUB2_and_GPT_on_a_New_System">http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Install_Sabayon_with_GRUB2_and_GPT_on_a_New_System</A>
+
+Watch out about 'labeling' and 'flagging' the partitions, and if you
+need to 'reset' the whole drive as GPT, also 'Create Partition Table'
+first. Oh, you'll need a separate 'boot' partition too.
+
+Good luck - Goh Lip
+
+ps: Note that I finally went back to msdos partitioning on my BIOS
+system as I found mixing GPT and MSDos drives (I have lots of external
+OS's, some iso boots) is incompatible and the main advantage for GPT on
+BIOS is for large (&gt;2GB) drives; (though UEFI has way lots more benefits
+than BIOS itself).
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+&gt;<i> On 08/21/2012 11:41 PM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:48:51 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be careful installing on UEFI.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UEFI is Disabled at the moment, and as I have no intention of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Enabling it presumably none of the problems you point to applies.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> An interesting pre-Mageia install question is: If I were to Enable UEFI,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who/what will re-organise the current Windows 7 installation as you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> describe to suit, and when?!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maurice,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] GPT partitioning -
+</I>&gt;<i> Most likely, your disk is GPT partitioned and windows 7 installed on it
+</I>&gt;<i> with at least 2 partitions (one for boot and probably one more for
+</I>&gt;<i> recovery besides the usual OS partition). As mentioned earlier, Windows
+</I>&gt;<i> 7 (and Linux) will work on BIOS and GPT partitioning. As for enabling
+</I>&gt;<i> UEFI, windows 7 will work without 'redoing' the partitioning (if it is
+</I>&gt;<i> already GPT) but you may have to redo the boot (boot.ini? - but I really
+</I>&gt;<i> don't know for windows). You can try it out by enabling UEFI and check
+</I>&gt;<i> if it boots Windows 7 without any changes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can check if your disk is GPT partitioned by booting a livecd and at
+</I>&gt;<i> terminal (root), &quot;fdisk -lu&quot; If it is GPT, it will give an error message
+</I>&gt;<i> (nothing to worry about, fdisk won't work on GPT, that's all).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [2] Grub-legacy
+</I>&gt;<i> First a disclaimer - I have not used grub-legacy for about 5 years, all
+</I>&gt;<i> my OS's boots/grubs are 'set' or 'installed' (wrong term, but that's
+</I>&gt;<i> what it's being used) to their own partitions, including Mageia's
+</I>&gt;<i> grub-legacy boot. And while I've used/tested GPT partitioning using
+</I>&gt;<i> BIOS, it is with grub2, not with grub-legacy, I am unsure if Mageia's
+</I>&gt;<i> grub-legacy could work with GPT and here's a link to help somewhat..
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/bios.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/bios.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Check this one out:
+<A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html</A>
+
+That Fedora legacy grub-efi package works, I know, as I'm using it :)
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> That Fedora legacy grub-efi package works, I know, as I'm using it :)
+</I>
+Great! But Mageia's grub-legacy work? I am saying I don't know that.
+
+Thanks, cheers.
+
+Oh, its' late here (gmt+8). If Maurice need urgent help, please do help out.
+
+Goh Lip
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+<PRE>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:52:43 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Most likely, your disk is GPT partitioned and windows 7 installed on it
+</I>&gt;<i> with at least 2 partitions (one for boot and probably one more for
+</I>&gt;<i> recovery besides the usual OS partition).
+</I>
+ If that's the case then I get the feeling that Magiea-2 will not
+install alongside Windows7.
+ Is that true?
+
+If so, then - as I don't really want to use Windows on this netbook -
+perhaps the simplest approach for me would be to re-format the whole
+disk with a non-GPT setup, and install Mageia-2 on that.
+ Would that be a workable approach?
+Would this 'UEFI' motherboard handle such a disk properly?
+
+(Actually, the more I think about that, the more I like it, as it
+avoids the problem of adjusting the existng Windows partitions to make
+space for Mageia without disturbing their disk-letter relationship.
+ Which tool would be best suited to do that?)
+
+ I have already (using Clonezilla live) taken an image copy of the
+whole drive, so if things get messed up I can restore back to the
+original.
+
+By the way, I used Gparted-Live to look at the drive. It showed:
+
+ /dev/sda1: 400MB &quot;SYSTEM&quot; (Flag='Boot')
+ /dev/sda2: 280GB
+ /dev/sda3: 17GB &quot;SAMSUNG-REC&quot; (Flag='Diag&quot;)
+
+I could see nothing indication 'GPT' clues.
+
+I've found this all quite depressing, but I do like a challenge, and I
+am most grateful to you for your patience and help.
+ Thank you, Goh!
+
+Regards.
+--
+/\/\aurice
+ (Retired in Surrey, UK; only 79)
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+<PRE>Maurice Batey skrev 21.8.2012 21:11:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:52:43 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most likely, your disk is GPT partitioned and windows 7 installed on it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with at least 2 partitions (one for boot and probably one more for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recovery besides the usual OS partition).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that's the case then I get the feeling that Magiea-2 will not
+</I>&gt;<i> install alongside Windows7.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that true?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Nope, installing it alongside is not a problem.
+
+The thing that is missing is a efi capable bootloader
+(wich is why I used the fedora grub-efi from
+ <A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html</A>)
+
+
+&gt;<i> If so, then - as I don't really want to use Windows on this netbook -
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps the simplest approach for me would be to re-format the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> disk with a non-GPT setup, and install Mageia-2 on that.
+</I>&gt;<i> Would that be a workable approach?
+</I>&gt;<i> Would this 'UEFI' motherboard handle such a disk properly?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+If you dont need windows 7, then it's probably easier to disable
+uefi (if you can) and do a &quot;old style&quot; install.
+
+--
+
+Thomas
+
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+<PRE>2012/8/21 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Maurice Batey skrev 21.8.2012 21:11:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:52:43 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most likely, your disk is GPT partitioned and windows 7 installed on it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with at least 2 partitions (one for boot and probably one more for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> recovery besides the usual OS partition).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If that's the case then I get the feeling that Magiea-2 will not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install alongside Windows7.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is that true?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope, installing it alongside is not a problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The thing that is missing is a efi capable bootloader
+</I>&gt;<i> (wich is why I used the fedora grub-efi from
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-**bootloaders/grub_legacy.html&lt;http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-**bootloaders/grub_legacy.html&lt;http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If so, then - as I don't really want to use Windows on this netbook -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perhaps the simplest approach for me would be to re-format the whole
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disk with a non-GPT setup, and install Mageia-2 on that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would that be a workable approach?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would this 'UEFI' motherboard handle such a disk properly?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you dont need windows 7, then it's probably easier to disable
+</I>&gt;<i> uefi (if you can) and do a &quot;old style&quot; install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>From my general experience with ASUS Sabertooth 990FX, the motherboard I
+</I>use to write this:
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+Contrary to myth, there's no problems with GRUB Legacy or GRUB2, and
+MS-DOS-type partitions on (U)EFI.
+GPT will also create a hybrid structure, so the disks should go straight
+into older systems, and work.
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+Olav Dahlum
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+&gt;<i> If you dont need windows 7, then it's probably easier to disable
+</I>&gt;<i> uefi (if you can) and do a &quot;old style&quot; install.
+</I>
+ The only 'UEFI' part of the BIOS Setup is the one I described
+earlier:
+
+ &quot;UEFI Boot support:
+ 'Enabled': System boots Legacy OS and UEFI OS
+ 'Disabled': System boots Legacy OS only&quot;
+
+It is Disabled, but I don't know yet if the drive has GPT or legacy
+partitioning.
+ So the $64 question is:
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+ If I ask the Mageia-2 DVD.iso installer to install on this drive, will
+it only be able to do it if it does *not* have GPT partitions, or -
+(if I invite it to take over the whole drive) will it be able to install
+if it is GPT, or - if not - will it be able to format the whole drive as
+non-GPT and then install?
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+I kniow that's a lot of questions, but I hope you can see what I'm
+getting at!
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+<PRE>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:52:43 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &quot;fdisk -lu&quot; If it is GPT, it will give an error message
+</I>&gt;<i> (nothing to worry about, fdisk won't work on GPT, that's all).
+</I>
+ I went into Clonezilla's 'command line' mode:
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+ sudo fdisk -lu /dev/sda
+
+Response: &quot;Cannot open /dev/sda&quot;
+
+ (Also tried /dev/hda - that no-oped)
+
+What did that prove?!
+
+Anything else I could have tried?
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+Thomas Backlund wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; UEFI is Disabled at the moment, and as I have no intention of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Enabling it presumably none of the problems you point to applies.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; An interesting pre-Mageia install question is: If I were to Enable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; UEFI, who/what will re-organise the current Windows 7 installation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; as you describe to suit, and when?!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maurice,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [1] GPT partitioning -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Most likely, your disk is GPT partitioned and windows 7 installed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on it with at least 2 partitions (one for boot and probably one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; more for recovery besides the usual OS partition). As mentioned
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; earlier, Windows 7 (and Linux) will work on BIOS and GPT
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; partitioning. As for enabling UEFI, windows 7 will work without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'redoing' the partitioning (if it is already GPT) but you may have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to redo the boot (boot.ini? - but I really don't know for windows).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can try it out by enabling UEFI and check if it boots Windows 7
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; without any changes.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can check if your disk is GPT partitioned by booting a livecd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and at terminal (root), &quot;fdisk -lu&quot; If it is GPT, it will give an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; error message (nothing to worry about, fdisk won't work on GPT,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that's all).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [2] Grub-legacy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First a disclaimer - I have not used grub-legacy for about 5 years,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; all my OS's boots/grubs are 'set' or 'installed' (wrong term, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that's what it's being used) to their own partitions, including
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia's grub-legacy boot. And while I've used/tested GPT
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; partitioning using BIOS, it is with grub2, not with grub-legacy, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; am unsure if Mageia's grub-legacy could work with GPT and here's a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; link to help somewhat.. <A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/bios.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/bios.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Check this one out:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html">http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That Fedora legacy grub-efi package works, I know, as I'm using it :)
+</I>
+
+I have done install on several boards with UEFI; ASUS, Gigibyte, MSI,
+ASrock, and All will boot stand-alone Linux installations Without issue
+using either lilo or grub-0.xx series.
+
+This cauldron system on an ASUS Crosshair V no issues using lilo
+(have at times used grub).
+
+A second system, Mandriva 10.1 on MSI 990FXA no issues using lilo.
+
+
+ Charles
+
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+&gt;<i> All will boot stand-alone Linux installations
+</I>
+ Do you mean not dual-boot, i.e. taking over the whole drive?
+problem trying for dual boot?
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:12:04 +0100
+Maurice Batey wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; All will boot stand-alone Linux installations
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you mean not dual-boot, i.e. taking over the whole drive?
+</I>&gt;<i> problem trying for dual boot?
+</I>
+That's what I mean.
+
+If I was going to dual boot I would put linux on a separate drive with
+lilo/grub installed to that drive and then use the UEFI boot selector
+to choose which drive/OS I wished to boot.
+
+To pre-answer a question with newer boards at system start you get
+the message (or similar):
+&quot;Press DEL to enter Setup Menu, F11 to enter Boot Menu&quot;
+The Boot Menu allows you to select from which drive/device you
+wish to boot this time.
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+ Charles
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+ <B>Goh Lip</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/22/2012 03:50 AM, Maurice Batey wrote:&gt; On Wed, 22 Aug 2012
+00:52:43 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
+ &gt;
+ &gt;&gt; &quot;fdisk -lu&quot; If it is GPT, it will give an error message
+ &gt;&gt; (nothing to worry about, fdisk won't work on GPT, that's all).
+ &gt;
+ &gt; I went into Clonezilla's 'command line' mode:
+ &gt;
+ &gt; sudo fdisk -lu /dev/sda
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Response: &quot;Cannot open /dev/sda&quot;
+ &gt;
+ &gt; (Also tried /dev/hda - that no-oped)
+ &gt;
+ &gt; What did that prove?!
+
+It is GPT partitioned.
+
+On 08/22/2012 02:11 AM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+ &gt; By the way, I used Gparted-Live to look at the drive. It showed:
+ &gt;
+ &gt; /dev/sda1: 400MB &quot;SYSTEM&quot; (Flag='Boot')
+ &gt; /dev/sda2: 280GB
+ &gt; /dev/sda3: 17GB &quot;SAMSUNG-REC&quot; (Flag='Diag&quot;)
+ &gt;
+ &gt; I could see nothing indication 'GPT' clues.
+ &gt;
+
+It is GPT partitioned
+
+
+ &gt; Anything else I could have tried?
+ &gt;
+
+
+
+On 08/22/2012 02:11 AM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:52:43 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most likely, your disk is GPT partitioned and windows 7 installed on it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with at least 2 partitions (one for boot and probably one more for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recovery besides the usual OS partition).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that's the case then I get the feeling that Magiea-2 will not
+</I>&gt;<i> install alongside Windows7.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that true?
+</I>
+
+If Mageia comes with grub2, I am certain it will install alongside
+Windows 7 with your confirmed GPT partitioning and in *either* BIOS *or*
+UEFI mode. The problem is that no one here can vouch that Mageia's
+grub-legacy can handle this. (Though we hear from Thomas that his Fedora
+16's grub-legacy could; Charles' single OS drive setup and Olav's claim
+that he has no problem on MsDos with (u)EFI)
+
+Here, I think it is good to remember that some of these &quot;transitional&quot;
+motherboards have 'fake' UEFI (to simulate UEFI) and EFI (an apple
+thingy) is not UEFI. &quot;Pure&quot; UEFI requires GPT partitioning. Period.
+(BIOS can handle both). Oh, before I forget (again), UEFI *requires* 64
+bits. But we should thank Thomas, Charles and Olav for their input.
+Thomas has his working fine and it is one area we can explore later on
+this post.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If so, then - as I don't really want to use Windows on this netbook -
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps the simplest approach for me would be to re-format the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> disk with a non-GPT setup, and install Mageia-2 on that.
+</I>&gt;<i> Would that be a workable approach?
+</I>&gt;<i> Would this 'UEFI' motherboard handle such a disk properly?
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Actually, the more I think about that, the more I like it, as it
+</I>&gt;<i> avoids the problem of adjusting the existng Windows partitions to make
+</I>&gt;<i> space for Mageia without disturbing their disk-letter relationship.
+</I>&gt;<i> Which tool would be best suited to do that?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have already (using Clonezilla live) taken an image copy of the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole drive, so if things get messed up I can restore back to the
+</I>&gt;<i> original.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>..
+.
+.
+What we can do (a workaround, no doubt) is to install another grub2 OS
+or Thomas' F16 to run alongside your Windows7. Than we install Mageia in
+another partition and have the other OS grub2 (or Thomas' F16
+grub-legacy) pickup and bootup your Mageia.
+
+
+If you choose with Thomas F16, Thomas will have to come in to help you
+with it and of course a safer bet is to use Charles' single OS drive
+(that way, you get back whatever we mess up).
+
+The choice is for you to make with the corresponding risks.
+(I will not root my brand new Google Nexus, for example :) )
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've found this all quite depressing, but I do like a challenge, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> am most grateful to you for your patience and help.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you, Goh!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+You're most welcome. Thanks to all. Regards - Goh Lip
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+&gt;<i> My system is a rather modified Mageia 1. Vanilla kernel 3.5.2 (for
+</I>&gt;<i> my dvb tuner). The latest nVidia driver, from nVidia, because I was
+</I>&gt;<i> afraid that the Mageia packaged versions would not like the vanilla
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel. A new GT 610, which is way better than the five year old
+</I>&gt;<i> ATI that it replaced.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Runlevels 1, 2, and 3 look good. Ctl-Alt-Fn works fine. Runlevel 5
+</I>&gt;<i> looks good, both X sessions look fine Ctl-Alt-F8 and Ctl-Alt-F9,
+</I>&gt;<i> except that the virtual terminals on Ctl-Alt-F1 etc. have the lower
+</I>&gt;<i> two thirds blanked out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas?
+</I>
+It seems to have corrected itself, for no obvious reason. &lt;shrug&gt;
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+<PRE>Le 22/08/2012 10:47, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Runlevels 1, 2, and 3 look good. Ctl-Alt-Fn works fine. Runlevel 5
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; looks good, both X sessions look fine Ctl-Alt-F8 and Ctl-Alt-F9,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; except that the virtual terminals on Ctl-Alt-F1 etc. have the lower
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; two thirds blanked out.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>In a previous live (when I was a sysadmin) the command &quot;stty sane&quot;
+sometimes cured such problem.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:31:56 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you dont need windows 7, then it's probably easier to disable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> uefi (if you can) and do a &quot;old style&quot; install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only 'UEFI' part of the BIOS Setup is the one I described
+</I>&gt;<i> earlier:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;UEFI Boot support:
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Enabled': System boots Legacy OS and UEFI OS
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Disabled': System boots Legacy OS only&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is Disabled, but I don't know yet if the drive has GPT or legacy
+</I>&gt;<i> partitioning.
+</I>&gt;<i> So the $64 question is:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I ask the Mageia-2 DVD.iso installer to install on this drive, will
+</I>&gt;<i> it only be able to do it if it does *not* have GPT partitions, or -
+</I>&gt;<i> (if I invite it to take over the whole drive) will it be able to install
+</I>&gt;<i> if it is GPT, or - if not - will it be able to format the whole drive as
+</I>&gt;<i> non-GPT and then install?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I kniow that's a lot of questions, but I hope you can see what I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> getting at!
+</I>
+Put the dvd in the drive and find out.
+
+Recently I installed Mageia 2 onto a PIII with a GPTed disk. The
+installer only gave the options of reformatting the whole disk or
+using the partitions already defined. I don't remember whether or
+not it was a hybrid partition table.
+
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+ <B>blind Pete</B>
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+&gt;<i> Le 22/08/2012 10:47, blind Pete a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Runlevels 1, 2, and 3 look good. Ctl-Alt-Fn works fine. Runlevel 5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; looks good, both X sessions look fine Ctl-Alt-F8 and Ctl-Alt-F9,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; except that the virtual terminals on Ctl-Alt-F1 etc. have the lower
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; two thirds blanked out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> In a previous live (when I was a sysadmin) the command &quot;stty sane&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes cured such problem.
+</I>
+That looks like something that you just have to know. I will try
+to remember and have a look tomorrow.
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+My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than happy
+and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on the server
+as well as on workstations.
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+My main need is for mail serving, for which I use
+fetchmail/procmail/dovecot - are there any known problems around these
+apps?
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+The disadvantage of changing is the need for frequent upgrades, but at
+least 9 months is better than 6 months :-)
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+The advantages of changing are the familiarity of working with a
+single distro and the helpfulness of the Mageia lists and channels.
+
+Has anyone any relevant experience?
+
+Thanks
+
+Anne
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+On 22/08/12 14:27, blind Pete wrote:
+&gt;<i> Maurice Batey wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:31:56 +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you dont need windows 7, then it's probably easier to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> disable uefi (if you can) and do a &quot;old style&quot; install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only 'UEFI' part of the BIOS Setup is the one I described
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> earlier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;UEFI Boot support: 'Enabled': System boots Legacy OS and UEFI
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OS 'Disabled': System boots Legacy OS only&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is Disabled, but I don't know yet if the drive has GPT or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> legacy partitioning. So the $64 question is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I ask the Mageia-2 DVD.iso installer to install on this drive,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will it only be able to do it if it does *not* have GPT
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> partitions, or - (if I invite it to take over the whole drive)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will it be able to install if it is GPT, or - if not - will it be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> able to format the whole drive as non-GPT and then install?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I kniow that's a lot of questions, but I hope you can see what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm getting at!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Put the dvd in the drive and find out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Recently I installed Mageia 2 onto a PIII with a GPTed disk. The
+</I>&gt;<i> installer only gave the options of reformatting the whole disk or
+</I>&gt;<i> using the partitions already defined. I don't remember whether or
+</I>&gt;<i> not it was a hybrid partition table.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Until you actually write the partition table to disk (and you are told
+when it is about to do so) you can always back out, so yes, see what
+is offered and make your decision accordingly.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Anne Wilson skrev 22.8.2012 18:06:
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+</I>&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than happy
+</I>&gt;<i> and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on the server
+</I>&gt;<i> as well as on workstations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My main need is for mail serving, for which I use
+</I>&gt;<i> fetchmail/procmail/dovecot - are there any known problems around these
+</I>&gt;<i> apps?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The disadvantage of changing is the need for frequent upgrades, but at
+</I>&gt;<i> least 9 months is better than 6 months :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The release frequency is ~9 months, but it's supported 18 monts, so
+you dont have to upgrade for every release...
+
+
+&gt;<i> The advantages of changing are the familiarity of working with a
+</I>&gt;<i> single distro and the helpfulness of the Mageia lists and channels.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Has anyone any relevant experience?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm running several LAMP servers and some samba servers and have no
+problem...
+
+Most of Mageia infra is also running mga1 and some soon some on mga2
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+--
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+<PRE>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:27:27 +1000, blind Pete wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Put the dvd in the drive and find out.
+</I>
+ I shall. (No DVD drive! - Is on flash drive)
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+&gt;<i> Recently I installed Mageia 2 onto a PIII with a GPTed disk. The
+</I>&gt;<i> installer only gave the options of reformatting the whole disk...
+</I>
+ That would suit me fine! Who wants Windows 7 anyway...
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+Thanks for your encouragement, BP!
+--
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+&gt;<i> &quot;Press DEL to enter Setup Menu, F11 to enter Boot Menu&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> The Boot Menu allows you to select from which drive/device you
+</I>&gt;<i> wish to boot this time.
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+ The Samsung NC110 doesn't provide such a handy option.
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 22/08/12 16:17, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Anne Wilson skrev 22.8.2012 18:06:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the server as well as on workstations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My main need is for mail serving, for which I use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fetchmail/procmail/dovecot - are there any known problems around
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> these apps?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The disadvantage of changing is the need for frequent upgrades,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but at least 9 months is better than 6 months :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The release frequency is ~9 months, but it's supported 18 monts, so
+</I>&gt;<i> you dont have to upgrade for every release...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You're right - the temptation to update every time isn't as great on a
+server, so I can live with that :-)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The advantages of changing are the familiarity of working with a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> single distro and the helpfulness of the Mageia lists and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> channels.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Has anyone any relevant experience?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm running several LAMP servers and some samba servers and have no
+</I>&gt;<i> problem...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Most of Mageia infra is also running mga1 and some soon some on
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks. I really can't see any reason why it wouldn't cope. I think
+it's time for a new HDD and a clean install.
+
+Anne
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 22/08/12 16:21, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:27:27 +1000, blind Pete wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Put the dvd in the drive and find out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I shall. (No DVD drive! - Is on flash drive)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Recently I installed Mageia 2 onto a PIII with a GPTed disk. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer only gave the options of reformatting the whole
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disk...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would suit me fine! Who wants Windows 7 anyway...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for your encouragement, BP!
+</I>
+You shouldn't have any problem getting Windows 7 without the
+restriction - at least for a while. It's getting hardware that is
+Windows 8 certified that will be forced to have their version of UEFI.
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+Anne
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+ <B>Rory Albertyn</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 22/08/12 16:17, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne Wilson skrev 22.8.2012 18:06:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the server as well as on workstations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My main need is for mail serving, for which I use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fetchmail/procmail/dovecot - are there any known problems around
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> these apps?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The disadvantage of changing is the need for frequent upgrades,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but at least 9 months is better than 6 months :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The release frequency is ~9 months, but it's supported 18 monts, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you dont have to upgrade for every release...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You're right - the temptation to update every time isn't as great on a
+</I>&gt;<i> server, so I can live with that :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The advantages of changing are the familiarity of working with a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> single distro and the helpfulness of the Mageia lists and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> channels.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Has anyone any relevant experience?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm running several LAMP servers and some samba servers and have no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most of Mageia infra is also running mga1 and some soon some on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks. I really can't see any reason why it wouldn't cope. I think
+</I>&gt;<i> it's time for a new HDD and a clean install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Need KDE help? Try
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+</I>I have successfully deployed Mageia servers for Plesk, and Ulteo as well
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+Regards,
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+<PRE>On 08/22/2012 11:06 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than happy
+</I>&gt;<i> and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on the server
+</I>&gt;<i> as well as on workstations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My main need is for mail serving, for which I use
+</I>&gt;<i> fetchmail/procmail/dovecot - are there any known problems around these
+</I>&gt;<i> apps?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&lt;snip&gt;
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+While my needs are small, home use, I am using
+postfix/procmail/dovecot/amavis/clamd,spamassassin.
+Processing ~= 1000 emails a day ( 80% spam ).
+
+Not using any db manager at present.
+
+No reason it shouldn't scale to over 10K email a day.
+
+--
+After Goliath's defeat, giants ceased to command respect.
+- Freeman Dyson
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
+3.3.6-server-2.mga2 x86_64
+----------------------
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:28:06 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
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+&gt;<i> You shouldn't have any problem getting Windows 7 without the
+</I>&gt;<i> restriction - at least for a while.
+</I>
+ What restriction do you mean, Anne?
+
+&gt;<i> It's getting hardware that is
+</I>&gt;<i> Windows 8 certified that will be forced to have their version of UEFI.
+</I>
+ I assume you are referring to the W8 requirement that UEFI's Secure
+Boot is 'on'.
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+The immediate problem with my situaton is how to install (dual-boot) on
+a GPT-partition'ed drive, not Secure Boot.
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+&gt;<i> On 08/22/2012 11:06 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than happy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on the server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as well as on workstations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My main need is for mail serving, for which I use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fetchmail/procmail/dovecot - are there any known problems around these
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> apps?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While my needs are small, home use, I am using
+</I>&gt;<i> postfix/procmail/dovecot/amavis/clamd,spamassassin.
+</I>&gt;<i> Processing ~= 1000 emails a day ( 80% spam ).
+</I>
+Reflecting on this, if you have a story to share on how you (or others
+you can talk about) use Mageia, feel free to edit
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/User_stories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/User_stories</A> (brand new page).
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+<PRE>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:52:46 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
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+&gt;<i> UEFI *requires* 64 bits.
+</I>
+Are you saying that - even if I give the Mageia-2 installer the whole
+drive to play with - I still need to install 64-bit Mageia rather than
+32-bit?
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+No problem for me (I have a copy of the 64-bit .iso), but I hadn't
+thought it appropriate to install 64-bit on a 2GB RAM netwbook!
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+But why does UEFI mandate 64-bit?
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+<PRE>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:25:41 +0100, I wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I hadn't
+</I>&gt;<i> thought it appropriate to install 64-bit on a 2GB RAM netbook!
+</I>
+ Seems the NC110's 2-core Intel Atom processor *can* handle 64-bit,
+although it came with 32-bit Windows 7 Starter pre-installed!
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+(Saw a remark on the 'net that to improve performance the 32-bit W7
+should be replaced with the 64-bit version..)
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+So will dig the 64-bit Mageia-2 .iso out and put that on the flash drive
+with that.
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+Glad you mentioned 64-bit, Goh!
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+&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than happy
+</I>&gt;<i> and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on the server
+</I>&gt;<i> as well as on workstations.
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Has anyone any relevant experience?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Been using Mandrake, Mandriva and Mageia for servers, approx. since 2001. So
+far, had no reason to move to any other distro (except for prejudiced admins
+against a &quot;desktop&quot; / RPM distros).
+
+On a recent incident, I had to move some service from a RHEL6 server to a
+humble Mga1 box, in order to gain in performance (rh did use older, less
+efficient versions). In a similar tone, vanilla Debian couldn't install there
+(because of the firmware for its NIC).
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+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!
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+&gt;<i> On 08/22/2012 11:06 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the server as well as on workstations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My main need is for mail serving, for which I use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fetchmail/procmail/dovecot - are there any known problems around
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> these apps?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;snip&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While my needs are small, home use, I am using
+</I>&gt;<i> postfix/procmail/dovecot/amavis/clamd,spamassassin. Processing ~=
+</I>&gt;<i> 1000 emails a day ( 80% spam ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not using any db manager at present.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No reason it shouldn't scale to over 10K email a day.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hahaha - I think my needs are nearer to yours than to 10K a day :-)
+
+My setup is not perhaps as sophisticated as yours. I have clamav
+scanning daily, but not daemonised or inside my mail setup as such. I
+use bogofilter for my spam filtering - and do that within procmail,
+which I find to be very efficient. If you are interested, I
+documented that on
+<A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips#Spam_filtering_on_an_IMAP_server">http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips#Spam_filtering_on_an_IMAP_server</A>
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 22/08/12 17:40, P. Christeas wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 22 August 2012, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the server as well as on workstations. ... Has anyone any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relevant experience?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Been using Mandrake, Mandriva and Mageia for servers, approx.
+</I>&gt;<i> since 2001. So far, had no reason to move to any other distro
+</I>&gt;<i> (except for prejudiced admins against a &quot;desktop&quot; / RPM distros).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On a recent incident, I had to move some service from a RHEL6
+</I>&gt;<i> server to a humble Mga1 box, in order to gain in performance (rh
+</I>&gt;<i> did use older, less efficient versions). In a similar tone, vanilla
+</I>&gt;<i> Debian couldn't install there (because of the firmware for its
+</I>&gt;<i> NIC).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks, everyone. Most reassuring. The main objection against using
+a desktop rather than an enterprise distro is that users see the
+desktop one as more likely to get &quot;broken&quot;. My experience has been
+the opposite. The enterprise distros spread packages over a number of
+repos, which clash with each other, so that sooner or later an update
+breaks things catastrophically. I learned through bitter experience,
+and next time took great care to google for what looked like an
+authoritative instruction on how to &quot;prioritize&quot; the repos - and my
+system is once again broken beyond repair, or at least, I'm told that
+repairing will be so long and painful it's not worth trying.
+
+I don't aim to get bitten a third time.
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:52:46 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UEFI *requires* 64 bits.
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you saying that - even if I give the Mageia-2 installer the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> drive to play with - I still need to install 64-bit Mageia rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> 32-bit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No problem for me (I have a copy of the 64-bit .iso), but I hadn't
+</I>&gt;<i> thought it appropriate to install 64-bit on a 2GB RAM netwbook!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But why does UEFI mandate 64-bit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Not required, unless you using are Windows according to this:
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table</A>
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+Misfortune, n.:
+ The kind of fortune that never misses.
+ -- Ambrose Bierce, &quot;The Devil's Dictionary&quot;
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
+3.3.6-server-2.mga2 x86_64
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+&lt;snip&gt;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hahaha - I think my needs are nearer to yours than to 10K a day :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My setup is not perhaps as sophisticated as yours. I have clamav
+</I>&gt;<i> scanning daily, but not daemonised or inside my mail setup as such. I
+</I>&gt;<i> use bogofilter for my spam filtering - and do that within procmail,
+</I>&gt;<i> which I find to be very efficient. If you are interested, I
+</I>&gt;<i> documented that on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips#Spam_filtering_on_an_IMAP_server">http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips#Spam_filtering_on_an_IMAP_server</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&lt;snip&gt;
+
+I will take a look, thanks.
+At present spamassassin is run from procmail. All are run as daemons.
+
+--
+Misfortune, n.:
+ The kind of fortune that never misses.
+ -- Ambrose Bierce, &quot;The Devil's Dictionary&quot;
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
+3.3.6-server-2.mga2 x86_64
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+Im using mga2 in servers
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+Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless
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+Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
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+</I>&gt;<i>On 22/08/12 17:40, P. Christeas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday 22 August 2012, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the server as well as on workstations. ... Has anyone any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relevant experience?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Been using Mandrake, Mandriva and Mageia for servers, approx.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> since 2001. So far, had no reason to move to any other distro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (except for prejudiced admins against a &quot;desktop&quot; / RPM distros).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On a recent incident, I had to move some service from a RHEL6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> server to a humble Mga1 box, in order to gain in performance (rh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> did use older, less efficient versions). In a similar tone, vanilla
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Debian couldn't install there (because of the firmware for its
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NIC).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Thanks, everyone. Most reassuring. The main objection against using
+</I>&gt;<i>a desktop rather than an enterprise distro is that users see the
+</I>&gt;<i>desktop one as more likely to get &quot;broken&quot;. My experience has been
+</I>&gt;<i>the opposite. The enterprise distros spread packages over a number of
+</I>&gt;<i>repos, which clash with each other, so that sooner or later an update
+</I>&gt;<i>breaks things catastrophically. I learned through bitter experience,
+</I>&gt;<i>and next time took great care to google for what looked like an
+</I>&gt;<i>authoritative instruction on how to &quot;prioritize&quot; the repos - and my
+</I>&gt;<i>system is once again broken beyond repair, or at least, I'm told that
+</I>&gt;<i>repairing will be so long and painful it's not worth trying.
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+On 22/08/12 17:40, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:25:41 +0100, I wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I hadn't thought it appropriate to install 64-bit on a 2GB RAM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> netbook!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems the NC110's 2-core Intel Atom processor *can* handle 64-bit,
+</I>&gt;<i> although it came with 32-bit Windows 7 Starter pre-installed!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Saw a remark on the 'net that to improve performance the 32-bit
+</I>&gt;<i> W7 should be replaced with the 64-bit version..)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So will dig the 64-bit Mageia-2 .iso out and put that on the flash
+</I>&gt;<i> drive with that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Glad you mentioned 64-bit, Goh!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Interesting - My Acer Aspire One has an Intel Atom N550, which is also
+said to be 64 bit - but the motherboard only supports 1GB RAM. Like
+you, I thought that 64 bit isn't a likely candidate, but I'd be
+interested to hear how you fare.
+
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+Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 22/08/12 17:40, P. Christeas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wednesday 22 August 2012, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the server as well as on workstations. ... Has anyone any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; relevant experience?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Been using Mandrake, Mandriva and Mageia for servers, approx.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; since 2001. So far, had no reason to move to any other distro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (except for prejudiced admins against a &quot;desktop&quot; / RPM distros).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On a recent incident, I had to move some service from a RHEL6
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; server to a humble Mga1 box, in order to gain in performance (rh
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; did use older, less efficient versions). In a similar tone, vanilla
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Debian couldn't install there (because of the firmware for its
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; NIC).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, everyone. Most reassuring. The main objection against using
+</I>&gt;<i> a desktop rather than an enterprise distro is that users see the
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop one as more likely to get &quot;broken&quot;. My experience has been
+</I>&gt;<i> the opposite. The enterprise distros spread packages over a number of
+</I>&gt;<i> repos, which clash with each other, so that sooner or later an update
+</I>&gt;<i> breaks things catastrophically.
+</I>
+I don't know what &quot;enterprise&quot; distros are supposed to be, but IME
+Debian is quite reliable on a server.
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+&gt;<i> the motherboard only supports 1GB RAM.
+</I>
+ My Samsung NC110 came with only 1GB RAM, bujt can work with 2 GB, so
+I'm awaiting delivery of a replacement* 2GB RAM chip (before I attempt
+to hand the drive over to the 64-bit Mageia-2 installer).
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+(* There is only 1 RAM slot, so the 1GB chip has to be replaced with the
+2GB chip.)
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+Fortunately (and unlike e.g. the MSI Wind) the RAM compartment is easily
+accessed by removing 1 small screw.
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+On 22/08/12 18:26, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:07:08 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the motherboard only supports 1GB RAM.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My Samsung NC110 came with only 1GB RAM, bujt can work with 2 GB,
+</I>&gt;<i> so I'm awaiting delivery of a replacement* 2GB RAM chip (before I
+</I>&gt;<i> attempt to hand the drive over to the 64-bit Mageia-2 installer).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (* There is only 1 RAM slot, so the 1GB chip has to be replaced
+</I>&gt;<i> with the 2GB chip.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fortunately (and unlike e.g. the MSI Wind) the RAM compartment is
+</I>&gt;<i> easily accessed by removing 1 small screw.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The Aspire One series require you to remove the keyboard to get at
+anything. To be honest, I'm not competent to start replacing chips on
+a RAM board, either. :-)
+
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+&gt;<i> I don't know what &quot;enterprise&quot; distros are supposed to be, but IME
+</I>&gt;<i> Debian is quite reliable on a server.
+</I>Yes, but also quite old. I am working for a company thats main business
+is webgis and we are running several debian servers and are always
+facing problems because of old versions of the gis stack (gdal,
+mapserver,...).
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+I'm trying to convince my boss to try and run a Mga server, as we are
+currently testing Ubuntu servers (nearer to Debian, which everyone is
+used to).
+The added value of Mga in our case is, that I am maintaining most of
+Mga's gis stack :)
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+Oliver
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+&gt;<i> I don't know what &quot;enterprise&quot; distros are supposed to be, but IME
+</I>&gt;<i> Debian is quite reliable on a server.
+</I>
+By &quot;enterprise distros&quot; I mean Red Hat Enterprise Linux and its clones.
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+Like MES, RH, Centos with 5 years.
+
+Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless
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+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
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+&gt;<i>Am 22.08.2012 19:05, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know what &quot;enterprise&quot; distros are supposed to be, but IME
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Debian is quite reliable on a server.
+</I>&gt;<i>Yes, but also quite old. I am working for a company thats main business
+</I>&gt;<i>is webgis and we are running several debian servers and are always
+</I>&gt;<i>facing problems because of old versions of the gis stack (gdal,
+</I>&gt;<i>mapserver,...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I'm trying to convince my boss to try and run a Mga server, as we are
+</I>&gt;<i>currently testing Ubuntu servers (nearer to Debian, which everyone is
+</I>&gt;<i>used to).
+</I>&gt;<i>The added value of Mga in our case is, that I am maintaining most of
+</I>&gt;<i>Mga's gis stack :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>--
+</I>&gt;<i>Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+<PRE>On 08/23/2012 12:40 AM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:25:41 +0100, I wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Seems the NC110's 2-core Intel Atom processor *can* handle 64-bit,
+</I>&gt;<i> although it came with 32-bit Windows 7 Starter pre-installed!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If it comes with 32 bit windows, you're using the BIOS rather than UEFI.
+But remember partition can still be GPT. And on BIOS, you can install 32
+bit linux OS.
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+I don't like one bit when manufacturers say their motherboard is
+&quot;UEFI-aware&quot; (not saying yours is, I just don't know) when it is not a
+bit UEFI.
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+Getting (a bit) late here again. Logging off.
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+&gt;<i> It is GPT partitioned.
+</I>
+ Belatedly, I have just booted then netbook, and used diskmgmt.msc to
+show me the partition type:
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+ &quot;Partition Style: Master Boot record (MBR)&quot;
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+which I believe indicates that the drive is *not* GPT-partitioned.
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+In this case, does it not mean that I could go ahead with a dual-boot
+install of Mageia-2?
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+use W7 on the netbook (I have it on the desktop, dual booted),
+but am tempted to try it just out of curiousity before re-installing
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 22/08/12 17:40, P. Christeas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wednesday 22 August 2012, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the server as well as on workstations. ... Has anyone any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; relevant experience?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Been using Mandrake, Mandriva and Mageia for servers, approx.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; since 2001. So far, had no reason to move to any other distro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (except for prejudiced admins against a &quot;desktop&quot; / RPM distros).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On a recent incident, I had to move some service from a RHEL6
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; server to a humble Mga1 box, in order to gain in performance (rh
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; did use older, less efficient versions). In a similar tone, vanilla
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Debian couldn't install there (because of the firmware for its
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; NIC).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, everyone. Most reassuring. The main objection against using
+</I>&gt;<i> a desktop rather than an enterprise distro is that users see the
+</I>
+Mageia is not a &quot;desktop distro&quot;. It can be used for desktops or servers.
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+<PRE>On 08/23/2012 01:52 AM, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:52:46 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is GPT partitioned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Belatedly, I have just booted then netbook, and used diskmgmt.msc to
+</I>&gt;<i> show me the partition type:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Partition Style: Master Boot record (MBR)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which I believe indicates that the drive is *not* GPT-partitioned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I'm still trying to find out what it would say for GPT.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case, does it not mean that I could go ahead with a dual-boot
+</I>&gt;<i> install of Mageia-2?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Actually, I've gone off the idea of dual-boot, as I do not intend to
+</I>&gt;<i> use W7 on the netbook (I have it on the desktop, dual booted),
+</I>&gt;<i> but am tempted to try it just out of curiousity before re-installing
+</I>&gt;<i> single boot!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+If it is 'MBR' (meaning MSdos), it confirms it is not UEFI, but BIOS.
+And yes, you can dual boot using 32-bit Mageia and using its grub-legacy.
+
+Now I'm really logging off. Good night. :) (and good luck)
+
+Goh Lip
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+&gt;<i> Good night. :) (and good luck)
+</I>
+ Good night to you, too, and many thanks!
+(You must be somewhere nearer Singapore than London!)
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+&gt;<i> he Aspire One series require you to remove the keyboard to get at
+</I>&gt;<i> anything.
+</I>
+ That would put me right off!
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+&gt;<i> To be honest, I'm not competent to start replacing chips on
+</I>&gt;<i> a RAM board, either.
+</I>
+ It's a bit scary the first time, but if you follow one of the
+really helpful video clips out there on the 'net, it's not a big deal.
+ The main importance (apart from using the correct chip!) is to keep
+your fingers from direct contact with the chip, to avoid any static
+charge jumping across.
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+<PRE> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:51:31 +0100, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:35:09 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To be honest, I'm not competent to start replacing chips on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a RAM board, either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a bit scary the first time, but if you follow one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> really helpful video clips out there on the 'net, it's not a big
+</I>&gt;<i> deal.
+</I>&gt;<i> The main importance (apart from using the correct chip!) is to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> your fingers from direct contact with the chip, to avoid any static
+</I>&gt;<i> charge jumping across.
+</I> Or set up an anti-static workplace. That would be the correct thing to
+ do.
+ Static discharges are probably responsible for 90% of all electronics
+ going bad.
+ I never touch any of my computer or electronics parts without my ESD
+ wristband securely connected to my workspace.
+ (having worked with electronics professionally for most of my life has
+ taught me that!)
+
+ regards,
+ Rene
+
+ PS. I hope only one message arrives at the list. I had chosen a wrong
+ sender address in the first attempt.
+ That's what happens when you're tired.
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+</I>&gt;<i> The Aspire One series require you to remove the keyboard to get at
+</I>&gt;<i> anything. To be honest, I'm not competent to start replacing chips on
+</I>&gt;<i> a RAM board, either. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Are you sure about that ? I don't know which model you have, but I have
+an Aspire One AO722, and you access the memory card(s) from a
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:51:18 -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All will boot stand-alone Linux installations
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you mean not dual-boot, i.e. taking over the whole drive?
+</I>&gt;<i> problem trying for dual boot?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You should have no problem dual-booting.
+UEFI boards require gpt partitions, so the windows 7 should be using gpt
+partition(s), even if not in UEFI mode.
+
+(You might want to verify. In superuser mode, simply list disk parameters with :
+ fdisk -l
+If gpt, it will give an error message saying that fdisk doesn't support gpt.)
+
+Mageia has no problem with gpt, I've been using it for over 2 years, starting
+with Mandriva, then Mageia. (We use the same legacy grub patched for gpt.)
+Even dual-booting with a non-gpt-aware version of Msw is a bit tricky, but doable.
+(I've set up dual-boot with a non-gpt-aware version of windows 7.)
+
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+<PRE>Maurice Batey a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:52:46 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is GPT partitioned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Belatedly, I have just booted then netbook, and used diskmgmt.msc to
+</I>&gt;<i> show me the partition type:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Partition Style: Master Boot record (MBR)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which I believe indicates that the drive is *not* GPT-partitioned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I'm still trying to find out what it would say for GPT.)
+</I>
+It would say GPT ;) Seriously.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case, does it not mean that I could go ahead with a dual-boot
+</I>&gt;<i> install of Mageia-2?
+</I>
+If you keep the MBR partition table, making dual-boot is easy enough.
+If you want a challenge, you could convert it to GPT (with a hybrid table for
+Msw), which I have done several times with Mageia.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Actually, I've gone off the idea of dual-boot, as I do not intend to
+</I>&gt;<i> use W7 on the netbook (I have it on the desktop, dual booted),
+</I>&gt;<i> but am tempted to try it just out of curiousity before re-installing
+</I>&gt;<i> single boot!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
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+<PRE>onsdagen den 22 augusti 2012 21.43.07 skrev Rene Rasmussen:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:51:31 +0100, Maurice Batey wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:35:09 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; To be honest, I'm not competent to start replacing chips on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; a RAM board, either.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's a bit scary the first time, but if you follow one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; really helpful video clips out there on the 'net, it's not a big
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; deal.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The main importance (apart from using the correct chip!) is to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; your fingers from direct contact with the chip, to avoid any static
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; charge jumping across.
+</I>
+To this point i do not fully agree; Metal tools give much stronger discharge
+than fingers. But a reason to avoid toucing is to avoid contaminating around
+pins with sweat (salt, acid), fat and other dirt.
+
+I have conductive plastic pliers for component handling, but they do not have
+such firm grip as metal pliers.
+
+Then there are more expensive metalpliers with conductive plastic handles
+
+(conductive in this case means very very sightlyu conductive not measureabla
+using standard multimeter, as it should avoid hard discharge, - just slowly
+bleed away the charge)
+
+None of the options described is as important as avoiding charges to build up.
+
+In my workshop (i build electronics prototypes) i avoid clothes of synthetic
+fabric, wear conductive slippers - if any, have conductive carpet, and
+conductive mat on the relevant tables. But those are expensive is sold as
+such. I have measured some cheaper rubber mats are good too.
+
+The less expensive approach is to use a wristband.
+A plus is to avoid sunthetic clothing, and you could work on such pink bubble
+palstic wrapping some electronics come with, it is antistatic. Avoid metal
+and plastic table, prefer untreated wood.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or set up an anti-static workplace. That would be the correct thing to
+</I>&gt;<i> do.
+</I>&gt;<i> Static discharges are probably responsible for 90% of all electronics
+</I>&gt;<i> going bad.
+</I>
+(not counting design errors. My favourite complaint is that designers put
+eletrolytics unecerrarily close to hot components - the most common repair we
+do is to replace such.)
+
+ESD damages are not always immediately noticeable, but often age the component
+so it have less life left (simply speaking)
+
+&gt;<i> I never touch any of my computer or electronics parts without my ESD
+</I>&gt;<i> wristband securely connected to my workspace.
+</I>&gt;<i> (having worked with electronics professionally for most of my life has
+</I>&gt;<i> taught me that!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Rene
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS. I hope only one message arrives at the list. I had chosen a wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> sender address in the first attempt.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what happens when you're tired.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> The less expensive approach is to use a wristband. A plus is to avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> sunthetic clothing, and you could work on such pink bubble palstic
+</I>&gt;<i> wrapping some electronics come with, it is antistatic. Avoid metal and
+</I>&gt;<i> plastic table, prefer untreated wood.
+</I>I have a painted wooden surface on my workbench, but it's still quite
+hard and I always worried that if I pressed too hard on the board I
+might damage a weak solder connection. I also had issues with scuffing
+the surface of cases, particularly black matte cases. I've been putting
+a large sheet of cardboard on top of the bench and it's worked very
+well. Do you think the cardboard is an ESD risk?
+
+Jeff
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+<PRE>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> onsdagen den 22 augusti 2012 21.43.07 skrev Rene Rasmussen:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:51:31 +0100, Maurice Batey wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:35:09 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To be honest, I'm not competent to start replacing chips on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a RAM board, either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's a bit scary the first time, but if you follow one of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> really helpful video clips out there on the 'net, it's not a big
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> deal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The main importance (apart from using the correct chip!) is to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> your fingers from direct contact with the chip, to avoid any static
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> charge jumping across.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To this point i do not fully agree; Metal tools give much stronger discharge
+</I>&gt;<i> than fingers. But a reason to avoid toucing is to avoid contaminating around
+</I>&gt;<i> pins with sweat (salt, acid), fat and other dirt.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have conductive plastic pliers for component handling, but they do not have
+</I>&gt;<i> such firm grip as metal pliers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then there are more expensive metalpliers with conductive plastic handles
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (conductive in this case means very very sightlyu conductive not measureabla
+</I>&gt;<i> using standard multimeter, as it should avoid hard discharge, - just slowly
+</I>&gt;<i> bleed away the charge)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> None of the options described is as important as avoiding charges to build up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my workshop (i build electronics prototypes) i avoid clothes of synthetic
+</I>&gt;<i> fabric, wear conductive slippers - if any, have conductive carpet, and
+</I>&gt;<i> conductive mat on the relevant tables. But those are expensive is sold as
+</I>&gt;<i> such. I have measured some cheaper rubber mats are good too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The less expensive approach is to use a wristband.
+</I>&gt;<i> A plus is to avoid sunthetic clothing, and you could work on such pink bubble
+</I>&gt;<i> palstic wrapping some electronics come with, it is antistatic. Avoid metal
+</I>&gt;<i> and plastic table, prefer untreated wood.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or set up an anti-static workplace. That would be the correct thing to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Static discharges are probably responsible for 90% of all electronics
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> going bad.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (not counting design errors. My favourite complaint is that designers put
+</I>&gt;<i> eletrolytics unecerrarily close to hot components - the most common repair we
+</I>&gt;<i> do is to replace such.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ESD damages are not always immediately noticeable, but often age the component
+</I>&gt;<i> so it have less life left (simply speaking)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I never touch any of my computer or electronics parts without my ESD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wristband securely connected to my workspace.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (having worked with electronics professionally for most of my life has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> taught me that!)
+</I>
+Sounds like good advice for 20 or 30 years ago, before chips normally had
+tristate buffers and a common floor covering was those polyestre carpets which
+were so good for rubbing your feet on so you could give an unsuspecting victim
+a shock by touching them.
+Chip technology has advanced enormously. Much circuitry is wave-soldered to
+the process board, thus even more immune to static discharge and dirt.
+And those cheap static-producing carpets are a lot rarer.
+Single chips with delicate pins are also a lot rarer.
+Static charge is more likely to disrupt a functioning system, rather than cause
+any physical damage.
+
+I'd say the biggest risk to electronics today is damaging a process board by
+flexing it too much.
+I'd prefer a soft cardboard surface to anything else. (Protects both the
+surface beneath and the electronics, and doesn't create a static charge.)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Rene
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> It would say GPT ;) ...
+</I>
+ You are right! Thank you.
+
+&gt;<i> If you keep the MBR partition table, making dual-boot is easy enough.
+</I>
+ Good.
+
+&gt;<i> If you want a challenge, you could convert it to GPT (with a hybrid table for
+</I>&gt;<i> Msw), which I have done several times with Mageia.
+</I>
+ What advantage would there be for me to convert to GPT?
+(Which would involve removing everything fro the drive first, so no
+dual boot setup)
+
+What do you mean by &quot;hybrid table for Msw&quot;? (What is &quot;Msw?!)
+
+When you say &quot;which I have done several times with Mageia&quot; I take it
+you mean giving the whole drive (thus ditching Windows) to the Mageia
+installer to re-format to GPT, instead of the 'legacy' MBR partitioning.
+
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+&gt;<i> Metal tools give much stronger discharge
+</I>&gt;<i> than fingers. But a reason to avoid toucing is to avoid contaminating around
+</I>&gt;<i> pins with sweat (salt, acid), fat and other dirt.
+</I>
+ Agreed! But in the context of my reply I was trying to avoid a
+lengthy description of the usual advice list, which can be found on
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+&gt;<i> so the windows 7 should be using gpt partition(s), even if not in
+</I>&gt;<i> UEFI mode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (You might want to verify. In superuser mode, simply list disk parameters with :
+</I>&gt;<i> fdisk -l
+</I>
+ As I said earlier, the netbook's W7 Diskmgmt utility shows
+ &quot;Partition Style: Master Book Record (MBR)&quot;
+i.e. not GPT.
+
+&gt;<i> Mageia has no problem with gpt, I've been using it for over 2 years, starting
+</I>&gt;<i> with Mandriva, then Mageia. (We use the same legacy grub patched for
+</I>&gt;<i> gpt.)
+</I>
+ That's good to know, as others have doubted that.
+
+&gt;<i> Even dual-booting with a non-gpt-aware version of Msw is a bit tricky, but doable.
+</I>&gt;<i> (I've set up dual-boot with a non-gpt-aware version of windows 7.)
+</I>
+ I don't know if the netbook's W7 is gpt-aware or not.
+
+Are you referring to installing on a GPT drive, or normal MBR drive?
+
+What is the problem with dual booting with a non-gpt-aware Windows?
+ (I still don't know what &quot;Msw&quot; is!
+Short for Microsoft Windows, perhaps?)
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+/\/\aurice
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+<PRE>Kernel update troubles. The 3.3.8 kernel came down this afternoon
+along with the nvidia modules. Installed them and restarted the PC as
+advised. No video driver but a message flashed by which said
+something like nvidia 297.51 already installed against this kernel
+(which was true of 3.3.6). The log messages gave no clue. All they
+said was could not load nvidia, presumably because the module had not
+been compiled against the kernel.
+
+X fails also under the new kernel with xdriver=nouveau. Maybe vesa
+would work but I did not try that.
+
+Now this sort of problem occurs again and again but on some lucky
+occasions dkms (?) comes into action at the reboot and recompiles the
+module and all is well. Why should it be so hit and miss, mostly
+miss?
+
+To send this I have had to choose the 3.3.6 kernel at boot time.
+XFdrake does not work in console mode so I am stumped at this point.
+
+Am I missing something, apart from my grey cells?
+
+Len
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i> Am I missing something, apart from my grey cells?
+</I>
+After downloading the NVidia binary drivers,
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+I usually do a:
+
+urpme nvidia -a
+
+Making sure that the dkms and x11-driver is removed along with it and then run the nvidia installer, let it do the compile and reboot.
+
+To do this, you must have the kernel headers installed or have compiled your own kernel.
+
+Doug
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+<PRE>23.08.2012 20:15, Len Lawrence skrev:
+&gt;<i> Kernel update troubles. The 3.3.8 kernel came down this afternoon
+</I>&gt;<i> along with the nvidia modules. Installed them and restarted the PC as
+</I>&gt;<i> advised. No video driver but a message flashed by which said
+</I>&gt;<i> something like nvidia 297.51 already installed against this kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> (which was true of 3.3.6). The log messages gave no clue. All they
+</I>&gt;<i> said was could not load nvidia, presumably because the module had not
+</I>&gt;<i> been compiled against the kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hm,
+the prebuilt modules for 3.3.8 should have been installed along with
+the new kernel.
+
+What does theese commands say:
+
+rpm -qa |grep nvidia
+
+rpm -qa kernel*
+
+
+&gt;<i> X fails also under the new kernel with xdriver=nouveau. Maybe vesa
+</I>&gt;<i> would work but I did not try that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now this sort of problem occurs again and again but on some lucky
+</I>&gt;<i> occasions dkms (?) comes into action at the reboot and recompiles the
+</I>&gt;<i> module and all is well. Why should it be so hit and miss, mostly
+</I>&gt;<i> miss?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+dkms will only work if matching kernel-*-devel are installed...
+
+
+&gt;<i> To send this I have had to choose the 3.3.6 kernel at boot time.
+</I>&gt;<i> XFdrake does not work in console mode so I am stumped at this point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Am I missing something, apart from my grey cells?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Len
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> 23.08.2012 20:15, Len Lawrence skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Kernel update troubles. The 3.3.8 kernel came down this afternoon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> along with the nvidia modules. Installed them and restarted the PC as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> advised. No video driver but a message flashed by which said
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something like nvidia 297.51 already installed against this kernel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (which was true of 3.3.6). The log messages gave no clue. All they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> said was could not load nvidia, presumably because the module had not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been compiled against the kernel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hm,
+</I>&gt;<i> the prebuilt modules for 3.3.8 should have been installed along with
+</I>&gt;<i> the new kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What does theese commands say:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -qa |grep nvidia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -qa kernel*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> X fails also under the new kernel with xdriver=nouveau. Maybe vesa
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would work but I did not try that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now this sort of problem occurs again and again but on some lucky
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> occasions dkms (?) comes into action at the reboot and recompiles the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> module and all is well. Why should it be so hit and miss, mostly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> miss?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dkms will only work if matching kernel-*-devel are installed...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>These are some of the checks I made:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at belexeuli</A> lcl]# urpmi kernel-headers
+Package kernel-userspace-headers-3.3.8-2.mga2.x86_64 is already installed
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lcl at belexeuli</A> ~]$ rpm -qa |grep nvidia
+x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+nvidia-current-doc-html-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree
+dkms-nvidia-current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lcl at belexeuli</A> ~]$ rpm -qa kernel*
+rpm: No match.
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at belexeuli</A> lcl]# urpmi kernel-desktop-devel
+In order to satisfy the
+'kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.8-2.mga2|kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.8-1.mga2|kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.6-2.mga2|kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.8-2.mga2|kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.8-2.mga2|kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.8-2.mga2|kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.6-2.mga2|kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.8-1.mga2'
+dependency, one of the following packages is needed:
+ 1- kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.6-2.mga2-1-1.mga2.x86_64: The kernel-devel
+files for kernel-desktop-3.3.6-2.mga2 (to upgrade)
+ 2- kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.8-2.mga2-1-1.mga2.x86_64: The kernel-devel
+files for kernel-desktop-3.3.8-2.mga2 (to upgrade)
+What is your choice? (1-2) 2
+Package kernel-desktop-devel-3.3.8-2.mga2-1-1.mga2.x86_64 is already
+installed
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+Very puzzling. Maybe something does need to be urpme'd as Doug suggested.
+
+Len
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lcl at belexeuli</A> ~]$ rpm -qa |grep nvidia
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>
+so the new x11 driver is installed.
+
+&gt;<i> nvidia-current-doc-html-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> dkms-nvidia-current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>
+&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>
+and so is the prebuilt module, so this should have worked :/
+
+What does this show:
+
+rpm -Vv nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
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+--
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+<PRE>On 23/08/12 20:12, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> 23.08.2012 21:47, Len Lawrence skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lcl at belexeuli</A> ~]$ rpm -qa |grep nvidia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so the new x11 driver is installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-doc-html-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dkms-nvidia-current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and so is the prebuilt module, so this should have worked :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What does this show:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -Vv nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at belexeuli</A> lcl]# rpm -Vv
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+.........
+/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2
+.........
+/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/dkms.conf
+.........
+/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64
+.........
+/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/log
+.........
+/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/log/make.log
+.........
+/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/module
+.........
+/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/module/nvidia-current.ko.xz
+.........
+/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/module/symvers.gz
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+I am going to try another reboot...
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+<PRE>On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Len Lawrence &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarazed25 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 23/08/12 20:12, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 23.08.2012 21:47, Len Lawrence skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lcl at belexeuli</A> ~]$ rpm -qa |grep nvidia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-nvidia-**current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so the new x11 driver is installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-doc-html-295.**71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-**desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.**nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dkms-nvidia-current-295.71-1.**mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-**latest-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-**desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.**nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and so is the prebuilt module, so this should have worked :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What does this show:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm -Vv nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-**desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.**
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at belexeuli</A> lcl]# rpm -Vv nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-**
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.**nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> ......... /var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-**current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/*
+</I>&gt;<i> *3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> ......... /var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-**current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/*
+</I>&gt;<i> *3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/dkms.conf
+</I>&gt;<i> ......... /var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-**current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/*
+</I>&gt;<i> *3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> ......... /var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-**current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/*
+</I>&gt;<i> *3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/**log
+</I>&gt;<i> ......... /var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-**current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/*
+</I>&gt;<i> *3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/**log/make.log
+</I>&gt;<i> ......... /var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-**current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/*
+</I>&gt;<i> *3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/**module
+</I>&gt;<i> ......... /var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-**current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/*
+</I>&gt;<i> *3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/**module/nvidia-current.ko.xz
+</I>&gt;<i> ......... /var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-**current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/*
+</I>&gt;<i> *3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/**module/symvers.gz
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am going to try another reboot...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That did not help.
+</I>Found this in the /var/log/kernel/warnings.log
+
+Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076548] NVRM: API mismatch: the
+client has the version 295.71, but
+Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076549] NVRM: this kernel module
+has the version 295.49. Please
+Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076550] NVRM: make sure that this
+kernel module and all NVIDIA driver
+Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076550] NVRM: components have the
+same version.
+
+The 3.3.6 kernel system was already using the 295.71 driver so 295.49
+does not make a lot of sense. This warning message is never repeated.
+It appeared only on the first attempt to boot the new kernel.
+
+Is there any way to rebuild the nvidia module against the 3.3.8 kernel
+manually (in console mode after the nvidia load failure)?
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+ <B>Len Lawrence</B>
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+&gt;<i> Thunderbird allows to customize its toolbars, for instance to add a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mark&quot; or &quot;Delete&quot; item to the toolbar of its main window.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I do a similar action in Firefox, such a modification is
+</I>&gt;<i> automagically saved: the next time I start Firefox, Firefox gives me
+</I>&gt;<i> the modified toolbar as it had been most recently customized.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thunderbird forgets this kind of modification: each time I launch
+</I>&gt;<i> thunderbird, I get the default toolbar and not the one I had recently
+</I>&gt;<i> customized.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How can I tell thunderbird to remember customized items?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Juergen
+</I>Not sure exactly what you mean but I managed to add a delete icon to the
+main toolbar (Get mail, write....) and that survived to the next
+invocation. Not that delete is useful on that line because it is greyed
+out until a message is selected, which brings up a delete button in the
+message view.
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+On 22/08/12 18:56, nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Anne Wilson wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 22/08/12 17:40, P. Christeas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday 22 August 2012, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia on the server as well as on workstations. ... Has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anyone any relevant experience?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Been using Mandrake, Mandriva and Mageia for servers, approx.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> since 2001. So far, had no reason to move to any other distro
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (except for prejudiced admins against a &quot;desktop&quot; / RPM
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distros).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On a recent incident, I had to move some service from a RHEL6
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> server to a humble Mga1 box, in order to gain in performance
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (rh did use older, less efficient versions). In a similar
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tone, vanilla Debian couldn't install there (because of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> firmware for its NIC).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks, everyone. Most reassuring. The main objection against
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using a desktop rather than an enterprise distro is that users
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see the
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia is not a &quot;desktop distro&quot;. It can be used for desktops or
+</I>&gt;<i> servers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Perhaps I gave the wrong impression. I was speaking of &quot;perception&quot;
+rather than reality :-) I'd avoid bleeding edge distros for a server,
+but other than that, package selection and careful security setup
+seems to be all that's needed. Assuming, of course, that you choose a
+well-maintained distro :-)
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:08:59 +0200, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Metal tools give much stronger discharge than fingers. But a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason to avoid toucing is to avoid contaminating around pins
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with sweat (salt, acid), fat and other dirt.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed! But in the context of my reply I was trying to avoid a
+</I>&gt;<i> lengthy description of the usual advice list, which can be found
+</I>&gt;<i> on the 'net, but just to mention one of the main dangers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Living in the UK I have a different method. I have a &quot;power&quot; lead
+that has no power connection. Our electricity wiring is generally
+3-wire, live, neutral and earth. The lead I use when working has only
+an earth wire. Plug it in to the mains and the case is earthed at all
+times, so I regularly touch the metal case in case of any build-up.
+Since I don't get any feeling of shock, I assume that I never get to a
+dangerous point of static :-)
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 22/08/12 21:20, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 08/22/2012 01:35 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The Aspire One series require you to remove the keyboard to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at anything. To be honest, I'm not competent to start replacing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chips on a RAM board, either. :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you sure about that ? I don't know which model you have, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> have an Aspire One AO722, and you access the memory card(s) from a
+</I>&gt;<i> single-screw panel on the underside.
+</I>
+Yes, I'm sure. There's no removable panel on the bottom of this one.
+ It looks like my original Aspire One, where you had to take off the
+keyboard, take out screws, then remove the back panel. Fortunately an
+excellent Youtube video showed me where to look and which order to do
+things. In that case I rescued the hard drive, which is now a neat
+usb drive :-) (I choose the HDD rather than flash drive, both times.)
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Le 24/08/2012 11:19, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Yes, I'm sure. There's no removable panel on the bottom of this one.
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like my original Aspire One, where you had to take off the
+</I>&gt;<i> keyboard, take out screws, then remove the back panel.
+</I>Yes seconded; I have one (AAO model sg5 with a 8Meg ssd) I upgraded the
+ram to 1,5gb (was 512 Meg soldered) the bios doen't accept more than 1gB
+memory card capacity.
+Now the ssd seems to be dead and this machine is running from a
+specially crafted mga2 USB stick (anyone know of a SSD replacement with
+more space for this old iron ?).
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+&gt;<i> AAO model sg5 with a 8Meg ssd)
+</I>Oops : s/8Meg/8GB ssd
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+&gt;<i> ... but I managed to add a delete icon to the
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+</I>&gt;<i> invocation ...
+</I>
+Thank you, that made me have a closer look and discover that something
+in my .thunderbird had evidently been corrupted (a recent violent
+thunderstorm ?) - also the &quot;find&quot; utility did not work.
+
+Rather than reconfiguring from scratch, I copied a .thunderbird from a
+system on a spare partion which I had made the other day: problem
+solved, the find utility works again and customisations stay put.
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+Btw, a &quot;Delete&quot; button in the main window gets enabled once you
+highlight a message in the list and allows to do deletes more rapidly.
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+&gt;<i> On 08/23/2012 10:30 PM, Len Lawrence wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ... but I managed to add a delete icon to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> main toolbar (Get mail, write....) and that survived to the next
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> invocation ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you, that made me have a closer look and discover that something
+</I>&gt;<i> in my .thunderbird had evidently been corrupted (a recent violent
+</I>&gt;<i> thunderstorm ?) - also the &quot;find&quot; utility did not work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Rather than reconfiguring from scratch, I copied a .thunderbird from a
+</I>&gt;<i> system on a spare partion which I had made the other day: problem
+</I>&gt;<i> solved, the find utility works again and customisations stay put.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Btw, a &quot;Delete&quot; button in the main window gets enabled once you
+</I>&gt;<i> highlight a message in the list and allows to do deletes more rapidly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Juergen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Glad you solved it. Deletes more rapidly? Shall try that out. Thanks.
+
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+&gt;<i> I have a &quot;power&quot; lead
+</I>&gt;<i> that has no power connection. Our electricity wiring is generally
+</I>&gt;<i> 3-wire, live, neutral and earth. The lead I use when working has only
+</I>&gt;<i> an earth wire. Plug it in to the mains and the case is earthed at all
+</I>&gt;<i> times,
+</I>
+ When you say &quot;..the lead I use..&quot;, what is the other end of
+the earth-only wire connected to, Anne?
+
+I've seen advice that one should touch a bare-metal part of some
+earthed object (e.g. PC, perhaps an iron?), to discharge any static in
+the body.
+ Another advice is to avoid paddling around on carpeted floors!
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+/\/\aurice
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+&gt;<i> Deletes more rapidly?
+</I>
+Just select the row and hit the button, rather than have to pull down
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+could not boot. Something about &quot;Startign wait for Plymouth boot screen
+to quit&quot;.
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+So I rebooted into the previous kernel 3.3.6 and tried to do updates,
+but now my MCC updates is munched! It says &quot;couldn't open RPM DB() AT
+USR/LIB/PERL5/VENDOR&quot;. --
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+I tried &quot;rpm --rebuilddb&quot; in Konsole but it says:
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+erreur: rpmdb: Thread/process 25894/139895115867904 failed: Thread died
+in Berkeley DB library
+erreur: erreur db4(-30974) de dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
+error, run database recovery
+erreur: ne peut ouvrir l'index Packages en utilisant db4 - (-30974)
+
+
+Any ideas on how to fixed this?
+
+Also, when I boot into safe mode and I do Drakconf, it says to update
+task-x11 and the system offers to download it; but when I try to do this
+it doesn't work.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
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+ <B>Len Lawrence</B>
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+&gt;<i> On 08/24/2012 12:23 PM, Len Lawrence wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Deletes more rapidly?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just select the row and hit the button, rather than have to pull down
+</I>&gt;<i> the menu and and go down to the delete item. Maybe sounds like
+</I>&gt;<i> splitting hairs, but makes an operation frequently done easier to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ah. I have a delete button already in the viewing window. I avoid
+pulldown menus wherever possible. The only ones I have are on the top
+line menubar. I assume you mean the menu which appears when you
+right-click on the message entry in the message list. I click on the
+message then move down to the viewing window to delete but I can see
+that deleting from the toolbar might be a tad quicker.
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+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 23/08/12 16:41, Maurice Batey wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:08:59 +0200, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Metal tools give much stronger discharge than fingers. But a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reason to avoid toucing is to avoid contaminating around pins
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with sweat (salt, acid), fat and other dirt.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agreed! But in the context of my reply I was trying to avoid a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lengthy description of the usual advice list, which can be found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on the 'net, but just to mention one of the main dangers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Living in the UK I have a different method. I have a &quot;power&quot; lead
+</I>&gt;<i> that has no power connection. Our electricity wiring is generally
+</I>&gt;<i> 3-wire, live, neutral and earth. The lead I use when working has only
+</I>&gt;<i> an earth wire. Plug it in to the mains and the case is earthed at all
+</I>&gt;<i> times, so I regularly touch the metal case in case of any build-up.
+</I>&gt;<i> Since I don't get any feeling of shock, I assume that I never get to a
+</I>&gt;<i> dangerous point of static :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Need KDE help? Try
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A> or
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+</I>
+This sounds similar to my method. Having assured myself that the 3-wire
+lead (in U.S., aka power &quot;cord&quot;) is actually connected to a grounded
+(earthed) circuit, I switch off the power supply, which disconnects the
+live wire. I might push the ATX power button, which will spin the fan a
+few turns when the machine has been powered up recently, indicating to
+me a discharge of some residual potential from capacitor(s), I guess.
+Then, I periodically ground my IT corpus to the computers metal frame,
+especially before handling the component of my attentions. :)
+Rolf
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+&gt;<i> ground my IT corpus to the computers metal frame,
+</I>&gt;<i> especially before handling the component of my attentions.
+</I>
+ Same here, although I try not to touch the chip or surrounding area
+with my bare hand.
+ Instead, I flip the latches with a matchstick, and to grip
+the chip, interpose a double width of paper handkerchief between fingers
+and chip.
+
+Just done that to replace the 1GB with 2GB on the netbook, which is now
+busy replacing Windows 7 with 64-bit Mageia-2....
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+&gt;<i> but I can see that deleting from the toolbar might be a tad quicker
+</I>
+A tad is a tad, but ten times a tad is more than a tad (-
+
+And yes - I also have it in the viewing window - I just left it to avoid
+too many changes to make when customising (will remove it if that zone
+gets too crowded)
+
+And: I also add &quot;Tag&quot; and - extremely useful for marking messages as
+read &quot;Mark&quot; - again the tad question.
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 24/08/12 11:29, Maurice Batey wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:07:28 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have a &quot;power&quot; lead that has no power connection. Our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> electricity wiring is generally 3-wire, live, neutral and earth.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The lead I use when working has only an earth wire. Plug it in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to the mains and the case is earthed at all times,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When you say &quot;..the lead I use..&quot;, what is the other end of the
+</I>&gt;<i> earth-only wire connected to, Anne?
+</I>
+Not sure which is the &quot;other end&quot; :-) One end goes into the power
+socket (remember, no lead to carry power), the other is a normal
+connector to the power supply of the PC. That ensures that the metal
+chasis is earthed.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seen advice that one should touch a bare-metal part of some
+</I>&gt;<i> earthed object (e.g. PC, perhaps an iron?), to discharge any static
+</I>&gt;<i> in the body.
+</I>
+Sure - I used to touch a radiator.
+
+&gt;<i> Another advice is to avoid paddling around on carpeted floors!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That depends on the carpet, to some extent. Some fibres are much more
+likely to cause static than others. None-the-less, if any static is
+around you want it away to earth as quickly as possible.
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> Yikes! I just did the update, but my screen froze, so, I rebooted and
+</I>&gt;<i> could not boot. Something about &quot;Startign wait for Plymouth boot
+</I>&gt;<i> screen to quit&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I rebooted into the previous kernel 3.3.6 and tried to do updates,
+</I>&gt;<i> but now my MCC updates is munched! It says &quot;couldn't open RPM DB() AT
+</I>&gt;<i> USR/LIB/PERL5/VENDOR&quot;. --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried &quot;rpm --rebuilddb&quot; in Konsole but it says:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> erreur: rpmdb: Thread/process 25894/139895115867904 failed: Thread
+</I>&gt;<i> died in Berkeley DB library
+</I>&gt;<i> erreur: erreur db4(-30974) de dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
+</I>&gt;<i> error, run database recovery
+</I>&gt;<i> erreur: ne peut ouvrir l'index Packages en utilisant db4 - (-30974)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas on how to fixed this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, when I boot into safe mode and I do Drakconf, it says to update
+</I>&gt;<i> task-x11 and the system offers to download it; but when I try to do
+</I>&gt;<i> this it doesn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>In English mine says:
+error: rpmdb: Thread/process 7815/140102385239808 failed: Thread died in
+Berkeley DB library
+error: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
+error, run database recovery
+error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - (-30974)
+
+
+
+--
+Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a
+law against it by that time.
+----------------------
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+&gt;<i> On 08/24/2012 06:45 AM, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yikes! I just did the update, but my screen froze, so, I rebooted and could not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot. Something about &quot;Startign wait for Plymouth boot screen to quit&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I rebooted into the previous kernel 3.3.6 and tried to do updates, but now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my MCC updates is munched! It says &quot;couldn't open RPM DB() AT
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> USR/LIB/PERL5/VENDOR&quot;. --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tried &quot;rpm --rebuilddb&quot; in Konsole but it says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> erreur: rpmdb: Thread/process 25894/139895115867904 failed: Thread died in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Berkeley DB library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> erreur: erreur db4(-30974) de dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> database recovery
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> erreur: ne peut ouvrir l'index Packages en utilisant db4 - (-30974)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any ideas on how to fixed this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, when I boot into safe mode and I do Drakconf, it says to update task-x11
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and the system offers to download it; but when I try to do this it doesn't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In English mine says:
+</I>&gt;<i> error: rpmdb: Thread/process 7815/140102385239808 failed: Thread died in Berkeley
+</I>&gt;<i> DB library
+</I>&gt;<i> error: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run
+</I>&gt;<i> database recovery
+</I>&gt;<i> error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - (-30974)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I fixed the second problem by executing (as root):
+
+rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
+rpm --rebuilddb
+
+This allowed urpmi and the graphical package management applications to work again.
+
+I am running the 3.3.6 kernel to make the NVidia driver work, though.
+
+--
+KevinO
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+<PRE>Maurice Batey a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:52:55 -0400, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would say GPT ;) ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are right! Thank you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you keep the MBR partition table, making dual-boot is easy enough.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you want a challenge, you could convert it to GPT (with a hybrid table for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Msw), which I have done several times with Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What advantage would there be for me to convert to GPT?
+</I>
+GPT is a much cleaner and more secure partition table format.
+The usual (virtually standard) configuration is space for 128 partitions.
+No extended partitions are permitted.
+Partition size is virtually unlimited. (Limited by the operating system.)
+There is a backup partition table at the end of the disk.
+
+&gt;<i> (Which would involve removing everything fro the drive first, so no
+</I>&gt;<i> dual boot setup)
+</I>
+Not at all. Gdisk, in Mageia repos, lets you convert an MBR partition table to
+GPT, as long as you make a little space at the end of the drive for the
+(required) backup table.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you mean by &quot;hybrid table for Msw&quot;? (What is &quot;Msw?!)
+</I>
+A &quot;hybrid&quot; GPT table is one that simulates a regular MBR drive in sector 1
+(where the MBR table is located), so that non-GPT aware operating systems can
+boot. (Such as all 32-bit versions of Microsoft's version of windows.)
+A regular GPT table puts a dummy MBR table with a single entry indicating that
+the drive is filled by a single non Microsoft compatible partition.
+
+Msw is Microsoft's abbreviation for Microsoft windows, used a lot back when
+they still had windows as a generic term in their dictionary.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When you say &quot;which I have done several times with Mageia&quot; I take it
+</I>&gt;<i> you mean giving the whole drive (thus ditching Windows) to the Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> installer to re-format to GPT, instead of the 'legacy' MBR partitioning.
+</I>
+I just used Gdisk. which does the conversion relatively quickly. And kept Msw,
+which booted nicely.
+Admittedly somewhat more complicated than setting up a dual-boot with an MBR
+table. But nicer if you have a lot of partitions. (Which I tend to have.)
+I have done this for others as well.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> /\/\aurice
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Andr&#233;
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+ <B>Len Lawrence</B>
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+&gt;<i> 23.08.2012 21:47, Len Lawrence skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lcl at belexeuli</A> ~]$ rpm -qa |grep nvidia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so the new x11 driver is installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-doc-html-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dkms-nvidia-current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and so is the prebuilt module, so this should have worked :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What does this show:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm -Vv nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well now. I have just booted up my older slower test system and
+received and installed the kernel 3.3.8 updates. This install seemed to
+have worked flawlessly; the new kernel and the nvidia 295.71 driver sit
+well together. The only hitch was the initial logout from user. This
+stalled before the login screen could come up and I had to drop into
+console mode to reboot which indicates that the updates had already
+damaged something. Exactly the same thing happened with the production
+machine which has given all the trouble only there it was not possible
+to switch to console mode. It simply hung and I had to crash reboot.
+
+I shall ask again if it is possible to backtrack in 3.3.8 (console mode
+only) and recompile the nvidia kernel interface locally. The 3.3.8
+version is broken somehow on my production machine. The Xorg log shows
+that the system attempts to load it and smells something fishy and dumps
+it. The 3.3.6 version works perfectly but I still do not know how it
+came to be there. At one point I had run XFDrake in console mode for
+3.3.8 and attempted to install the new driver (no errors reported but
+the driver did not work). Surely that would not have compiled it
+against 3.3.6?
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+Len
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+&gt;<i> On 08/24/2012 11:21 AM, Jim Whitby wrote:
+</I>&lt;snip&gt;
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In English mine says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: rpmdb: Thread/process 7815/140102385239808 failed: Thread died in Berkeley
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DB library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> database recovery
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - (-30974)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I fixed the second problem by executing (as root):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm --rebuilddb
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This allowed urpmi and the graphical package management applications to work again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am running the 3.3.6 kernel to make the NVidia driver work, though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks! Will give it a shot.
+
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+You can never trust a woman; she may be true to you.
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
+3.3.8-server-2.mga2 x86_64
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+&gt;<i> On 08/24/2012 03:24 PM, KevinO wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 08/24/2012 11:21 AM, Jim Whitby wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;snip&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In English mine says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: rpmdb: Thread/process 7815/140102385239808 failed: Thread
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> died in Berkeley
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> DB library
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error, run
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> database recovery
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - (-30974)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I fixed the second problem by executing (as root):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm --rebuilddb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This allowed urpmi and the graphical package management applications
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to work again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am running the 3.3.6 kernel to make the NVidia driver work, though.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks! Will give it a shot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes. That worked just fine. Running the new kernel and nvidia ( well, I
+think so anyway, the machine is not here, but X and kdm are running ).
+
+Again Thanks!
+
+
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+You can never trust a woman; she may be true to you.
+----------------------
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+&lt;snip&gt;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. That worked just fine. Running the new kernel and nvidia ( well,
+</I>&gt;<i> I think so anyway, the machine is not here, but X and kdm are running ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I should add that I did a update ( which did complete ), before I rebooted.
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+----------------------
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+ <B>Alejandro L&#243;pez</B>
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+the public key. Finally I found it in subkeys.pgp.net, but for an unexperinced user this is not evident.
+
+I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be worth putting a link in the download page to either the key
+itself or to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:56:43 -0400, andre999 wrote:
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+&gt;<i> GPT is a much cleaner and more secure partition table format.
+</I>&gt;<i> The usual (virtually standard) configuration is space for 128 partitions.
+</I>&gt;<i> No extended partitions are permitted.
+</I>&gt;<i> Partition size is virtually unlimited. (Limited by the operating
+</I>&gt;<i> system.)
+</I>
+ Sounds good, though probably overkill for the purposes of a netbook!
+
+&gt;<i> Gdisk, in Mageia repos, lets you convert an MBR partition table to
+</I>&gt;<i> GPT, as long as you make a little space at the end of the drive for
+</I>&gt;<i> the (required) backup table.
+</I>
+ Mmm. Didn't know about that.
+Presumably one would use e.g. Gparted to make the 'little space'.
+ Would need to find a way of getting 'live' Gdisk on a flash drive
+for booting. Is there such a version?
+
+Many thanks for all the clarifications, Andr&#233;! Much appreciated...
+--
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:21:01 +0100, I wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Just done that to replace the 1GB with 2GB on the netbook, which is now
+</I>&gt;<i> busy replacing Windows 7 with 64-bit Mageia-2....
+</I>
+ All went smoothly (though with extremely slow/intermittent access to
+Mageia repositories), and already in touch with other workstations on
+the LAN.
+
+There was a heart-stopping moment when it had to find drivers etc for
+the wireless Broadcomm adapter. After giving it an ethernet connection
+it installed them, but then reported something like &quot;Cannot find
+internet interface&quot;!
+
+But a re-boot showed that all was well, and it picked up our router's
+SSID perfectly.
+
+What a relief to be shot of Windows and back to normality...
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+Many thanks to all for your help.
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .
+</I>&gt;<i> The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the
+</I>&gt;<i> public key. Finally I found it in subkeys.pgp.net, but for an
+</I>&gt;<i> unexperinced user this is not evident.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be
+</I>&gt;<i> worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself or
+</I>&gt;<i> to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sounds good. +1.
+
+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> public key. Finally I found it in subkeys.pgp.net, but for an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unexperinced user this is not evident.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds good. +1.
+</I>
+Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can
+upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and
+support pages.
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+ <B>TJ</B>
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+&gt;<i> On 08/24/2012 09:24 PM, Jim Whitby wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;snip&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes. That worked just fine. Running the new kernel and nvidia ( well,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think so anyway, the machine is not here, but X and kdm are running ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Again Thanks!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I should add that I did a update ( which did complete ), before I rebooted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Running the x86 version here. My update froze for unknown reasons while
+downloading one of the nvidia packages(I forget which one now), with
+part of the updates installed and others not. I knew interrupting it
+would be a problem, so I let it go for 30 minutes before finally giving
+up. At that point I couldn't run the updates again to finish them off,
+so I attempted a reboot. That failed, no matter which kernel I tried,
+though at different spots.
+
+After blistering my monitor screen with curses, I decided that what with
+not knowing what was mucked up and what wasn't, what might be hiding
+waiting to bite me in the backside later, the only sensible thing to do
+was a new install from the DVD. Four hours later, everything is back,
+updated, and functioning.
+
+A very Microsoft-like procedure to be sure, but it worked.
+
+TJ
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+ <B>Goh Lip</B>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;Gdisk, in Mageia repos, lets you convert an MBR partition table to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;GPT, as long as you make a little space at the end of the drive for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;the (required) backup table.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mmm. Didn't know about that.
+</I>&gt;<i> Presumably one would use e.g. Gparted to make the 'little space'.
+</I>
+I think Andre means the *beginning* of the drive for the 'little space',
+and yes, you can use gparted as mentioned in the Sabayon link.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Many thanks to all for your help.
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+navigation tools, etc. also?
+
+Regards.
+El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in subkeys.pgp.net, but for an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sounds good. +1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can
+</I>&gt;<i> upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and
+</I>&gt;<i> support pages.
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+On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I will prepare it tonight. Should I provide just the contents or the logo,
+</I>&gt;<i> navigation tools, etc. also?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in subkeys.pgp.net, but for an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Sounds good. +1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support pages.
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+'test' causes the whole system to freeze, needing a re-boot.
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+Anyone know of a fix for this?
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+&gt;<i> Just installed 64-bit Mageia-2 on Samsung NC110 netbook, which has
+</I>&gt;<i> builtin webcam (SC-0311139N).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using Skype 2.2.0.35 from Mageia repository, any attempt to do a video
+</I>&gt;<i> 'test' causes the whole system to freeze, needing a re-boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone know of a fix for this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Googling suggests I am not alone, and there is talk of the problem
+</I>&gt;<i> arising with more recent kernels; OK with earier kernels..)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>My link was out of date :
+<A HREF="http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release/get-skype-4.0.0.8-1.mga3.nonfree.noarch.rpm">http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release/get-skype-4.0.0.8-1.mga3.nonfree.noarch.rpm</A>
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+<PRE>Le 25/08/2012 20:04, Maurice Batey a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Just installed 64-bit Mageia-2 on Samsung NC110 netbook, which has
+</I>&gt;<i> builtin webcam (SC-0311139N).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using Skype 2.2.0.35 from Mageia repository, any attempt to do a video
+</I>&gt;<i> 'test' causes the whole system to freeze, needing a re-boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone know of a fix for this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Googling suggests I am not alone, and there is talk of the problem
+</I>&gt;<i> arising with more recent kernels; OK with earier kernels..)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Have you test Skype 4.0 ?
+<A HREF="http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release/get-skype-4.0.0.7-1.mga3.nonfree.noarch.rpm">http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release/get-skype-4.0.0.7-1.mga3.nonfree.noarch.rpm</A>
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+I don't try to open the configuration windows (in which case my gnome session would crash). Try Skype 4.
+
+Alejandro.
+
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+El 25/08/12 20:04, Maurice Batey escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Just installed 64-bit Mageia-2 on Samsung NC110 netbook, which has
+</I>&gt;<i> builtin webcam (SC-0311139N).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using Skype 2.2.0.35 from Mageia repository, any attempt to do a video
+</I>&gt;<i> 'test' causes the whole system to freeze, needing a re-boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone know of a fix for this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Googling suggests I am not alone, and there is talk of the problem
+</I>&gt;<i> arising with more recent kernels; OK with earier kernels..)
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release/get-skype-4.0.0.8-1.mga3.nonfree.noarch.rpm">http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release/get-skype-4.0.0.8-1.mga3.nonfree.noarch.rpm</A>
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+ Many thanks, S&#233;bastien! Will give that a try.
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+all. No error message or anything - VLC just sits there waiting for
+me to tell it what to do. If I use the menu to point it to the file,
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+<PRE>Sorry for being late. I'm working on this right now and I'd like to know
+how to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file
+directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get them?
+
+On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I will prepare it tonight. Should I provide just the contents or the
+</I>&gt;<i> logo,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; navigation tools, etc. also?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in subkeys.pgp.net, but for an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; support pages.
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+Maybe a corrupt or incomplete .flv-file?
+When i download a file from YouTube, it happens that the file isn't
+downloaded completely.
+It then is not playable.
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+&gt;<i> Sorry for being late. I'm working on this right now and I'd like to know how
+</I>&gt;<i> to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file
+</I>&gt;<i> directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get them?
+</I>
+If you go through <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/downloads/:">http://www.mageia.org/downloads/:</A>
+ - click on the image you want to download,
+ - you're redirected to a page with the relevant info about
+signatures, which page reloads into the image file itself (it causes
+your browser to start downloading the file, without altering the
+previous page you still can interact with).
+
+I guess I could add a link to those as well to download them?
+
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I will prepare it tonight. Should I provide just the contents or the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; logo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; navigation tools, etc. also?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Regards.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in subkeys.pgp.net, but for an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; support pages.
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+
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sorry for being late. I'm working on this right now and I'd like to know
+</I>&gt;<i> how
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get them?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you go through <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/downloads/:">http://www.mageia.org/downloads/:</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - click on the image you want to download,
+</I>&gt;<i> - you're redirected to a page with the relevant info about
+</I>&gt;<i> signatures, which page reloads into the image file itself (it causes
+</I>&gt;<i> your browser to start downloading the file, without altering the
+</I>&gt;<i> previous page you still can interact with).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I didn't know that (I used the torrent).
+
+
+I guess I could add a link to those as well to download them?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think it would be a good solution. And the signature files also.
+
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I will prepare it tonight. Should I provide just the contents or the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; logo,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; navigation tools, etc. also?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought
+</I>&gt;<i> .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in subkeys.pgp.net, but for an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; support pages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 27/08/12 13:09, isadora wrote:
+&gt;<i> No such problems here playing .flv through VLC. Maybe a corrupt or
+</I>&gt;<i> incomplete .flv-file? When i download a file from YouTube, it
+</I>&gt;<i> happens that the file isn't downloaded completely. It then is not
+</I>&gt;<i> playable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Possibly. The file size is correct, but maybe a small corruption
+could be there. Thanks for replying - it confirms my feeling.
+
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+ <B>Alejandro L&#243;pez</B>
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+<PRE>Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing the
+ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.
+
+Just an idea.
+
+On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Sorry for being late. I'm working on this right now and I'd like to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know how
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you go through <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/downloads/:">http://www.mageia.org/downloads/:</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - click on the image you want to download,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - you're redirected to a page with the relevant info about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> signatures, which page reloads into the image file itself (it causes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your browser to start downloading the file, without altering the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> previous page you still can interact with).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't know that (I used the torrent).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess I could add a link to those as well to download them?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would be a good solution. And the signature files also.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I will prepare it tonight. Should I provide just the contents or the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; logo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; navigation tools, etc. also?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Regards.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro L&#243;pez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listas.apl at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bought .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in subkeys.pgp.net, but for an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> itself
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; support pages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
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+On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:09:47 +0100
+Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> In the past I've viewed .flv files in VLC. Yesterday a friend sent me
+</I>&gt;<i> such a file, and I was surprised that I couldn't manage to play it at
+</I>&gt;<i> all. No error message or anything - VLC just sits there waiting for
+</I>&gt;<i> me to tell it what to do. If I use the menu to point it to the file,
+</I>&gt;<i> the same thing happens - or rather it doesn't happen: nothing changes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What am I missing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Did you enable the tainted repository and upgraded VLC From there?
+
+Regards,
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+ Shlomi Fish
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+Sorry for the delay in response, I was away on a short weekend vacation.
+
+Le 2012-08-24 15:24, KevinO a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> In English mine says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: rpmdb: Thread/process 7815/140102385239808 failed: Thread died in Berkeley
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DB library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> database recovery
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - (-30974)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I fixed the second problem by executing (as root):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm --rebuilddb
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This allowed urpmi and the graphical package management applications to work again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am running the 3.3.6 kernel to make the NVidia driver work, though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks! That rebuilt the rpm database. But when I tried to re-boot into
+the new kernel it was then stuck again.
+
+I then rebooted into the 3.3.6 kernel and checked for/and updated my
+system and tried to re-boot into the new kernel and this seems to have
+worked.
+
+Hope the wrinkles to the new kernel update have been fixed. It would be
+sad to hear from my 78 year old mother that there was a hitch in her
+updates. She likes to play her solitaire along with watching TV
+(tv-card) on her Mageia.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Hi Kevin et al,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for the delay in response, I was away on a short weekend vacation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2012-08-24 15:24, KevinO a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In English mine says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: rpmdb: Thread/process 7815/140102385239808 failed: Thread died in Berkeley
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> DB library
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> database recovery
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - (-30974)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I fixed the second problem by executing (as root):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm --rebuilddb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This allowed urpmi and the graphical package management applications to work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am running the 3.3.6 kernel to make the NVidia driver work, though.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks! That rebuilt the rpm database. But when I tried to re-boot into the new
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel it was then stuck again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I then rebooted into the 3.3.6 kernel and checked for/and updated my system and
+</I>&gt;<i> tried to re-boot into the new kernel and this seems to have worked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I was able to get the rpm database straightened out, and can run the 3.3.8 kernel
+but only by using the nouvea driver. I still have to run the older, 3.3.6 kernel
+to get the NVidia driver to work.
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+&gt;<i> Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing
+</I>&gt;<i> the ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just an idea.
+</I>
+Assuming that the iso is already compressed, &quot;tar&quot; rather than
+another compression. But just having them near each other would
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+&gt;<i> Alejandro L&#243;pez wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just an idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming that the iso is already compressed, &quot;tar&quot; rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> another compression. But just having them near each other would
+</I>&gt;<i> be good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>If the ISO is already compressed, depending on the compressor the
+verification files could be added to the compressed file; or, if the
+compressor only accepts one file per compressed file, as you proposed, a
+tar including the compressed ISO and the verification files could make it.
+
+Anyway, the ISO files are not compressed.
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+I'm currently installing M2 as a dual boot onto sdd. When all data is
+transferred to the new disk, sda, sdb and sdc will be removed. I
+assume that writing the boot loader (language fails me, at the moment)
+to sdd is fine? I know it's a very basic question - brain is only
+half-functioning just now due to external pressures.
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+On 28/08/12 11:16, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'm currently installing M2 as a dual boot onto sdd. When all data
+</I>&gt;<i> is transferred to the new disk, sda, sdb and sdc will be removed.
+</I>&gt;<i> I assume that writing the boot loader (language fails me, at the
+</I>&gt;<i> moment) to sdd is fine? I know it's a very basic question - brain
+</I>&gt;<i> is only half-functioning just now due to external pressures.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (sda has the old entry.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Just wanting confirmation that the existence of the old grub won't
+cause any problems :-)
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+On 28/08/12 11:32, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 28/08/12 11:16, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm currently installing M2 as a dual boot onto sdd. When all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> data is transferred to the new disk, sda, sdb and sdc will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removed. I assume that writing the boot loader (language fails
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me, at the moment) to sdd is fine? I know it's a very basic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> question - brain is only half-functioning just now due to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> external pressures.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (sda has the old entry.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just wanting confirmation that the existence of the old grub won't
+</I>&gt;<i> cause any problems :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Unfortunately, it does cause problems - of course sda is checked
+before sdd. I assume that I will now need somehow get rid of the grub
+on sda - what's the best way to do that?
+
+Faint bells are ringing - about re-ordering disks, but in these days
+of using disk IDs I'm not sure whether the old ways are still valid,
+and I really don't want to screw things up to the point where recovery
+is a very big job. I'd appreciate thoughts from a mind that is calmer
+and clearer than mine :-)
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+Anne
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+Firefox says that an older JRE version has been disabled and that the
+latest version should be installed. I've installed the latest JRE
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+instructions to the Firefox directory structure (no plugin directory)
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+&gt;<i> Thank you for reading this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Firefox says that an older JRE version has been disabled and that the
+</I>&gt;<i> latest version should be installed. I've installed the latest JRE
+</I>&gt;<i> (version 7 rpm) from Oracle's site but I cannot relate their
+</I>&gt;<i> instructions to the Firefox directory structure (no plugin directory)
+</I>&gt;<i> under Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No doubt there is a simple way around this. Can anyone offer a
+</I>&gt;<i> suggestion?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You need to wait for Mageia's own Java RPM to be updated. One of the
+primary differences between different distro RPMs is file placement.
+You can't expect an Oracle RPM to have knowledge of Mageia's choices for
+file placement.
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+BTW, a 0-day security flaw has just been announced for Java 1.7, and
+people are recommending that Java in browsers be disabled until Oracle
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+&gt;<i> On 28/08/12 11:32, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On 28/08/12 11:16, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm currently installing M2 as a dual boot onto sdd. When all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; data is transferred to the new disk, sda, sdb and sdc will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; removed. I assume that writing the boot loader (language fails
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; me, at the moment) to sdd is fine? I know it's a very basic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; question - brain is only half-functioning just now due to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; external pressures.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (sda has the old entry.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Just wanting confirmation that the existence of the old grub won't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; cause any problems:-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, it does cause problems - of course sda is checked
+</I>&gt;<i> before sdd. I assume that I will now need somehow get rid of the grub
+</I>&gt;<i> on sda - what's the best way to do that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Faint bells are ringing - about re-ordering disks, but in these days
+</I>&gt;<i> of using disk IDs I'm not sure whether the old ways are still valid,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I really don't want to screw things up to the point where recovery
+</I>&gt;<i> is a very big job. I'd appreciate thoughts from a mind that is calmer
+</I>&gt;<i> and clearer than mine:-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+
+Assuming you're installing and not cloning (dd) M2 to sdd, there should
+not be any problem with bootloader/grub. However there are 2 things you
+need to watch out for.
+
+o when installing boot loader, you're asked to confirm installing to
+'sda', make sure that is the 'master drive'. To confirm disks, at root
+terminal, &quot;fdisk -lu&quot; or &quot;blkid&quot; or &quot;parted -l&quot;, If the 'master drive'
+is not sda, but something else, go to MCC and reinstall boot loader to
+the right one, ie., specify 'sdb' or 'sdc' (the right one).
+
+o The grub entry for grub-legacy contains
+kernel (hdx,y)/boot/......
+initrd (hdx,y)/boot/.......
+even as it has ROOT=LABEL or ROOT=UUID..
+So the entry (hdx,y) {x and y are numbers} may change with BIOS and if
+Mageia don't boot up, you need to manually change this x figure to make
+sure it uses the right one. (grub2 don't have this problem)
+
+
+Finally, should you remove sda, sdb or sdc, watch out for the above 2
+points again.
+
+Hope this would somehow convince the need for grub2 in Mageia
+(besides btrfs, UEFI, etc....)
+
+Regards - Goh Lip
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+&gt;<i> o when installing boot loader, ......
+</I>&gt;<i> If the 'master drive'
+</I>&gt;<i> is not sda, but something else, go to MCC and reinstall boot loader to
+</I>&gt;<i> the right one, ie., specify 'sdb' or 'sdc' (the right one).
+</I>.
+.
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+&gt;<i> Finally, should you remove sda, sdb or sdc, watch out for the above 2
+</I>&gt;<i> points again.
+</I>
+There is a trick that we install boot/loaders to *ALL* disks so that we
+do not run into this problem, ie. at MCC, we install boot-loader to sdb,
+sdc, sdd and *again* to sda.
+
+Still, need to watch out for manually changing
+
+kernel (hdx,1)/boot/....
+initrd (hdx,1)/boot/.....
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+Regards - Goh Lip
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+Wilson who wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm currently installing M2 as a dual boot onto sdd. When all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; data is transferred to the new disk, sda, sdb and sdc will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; removed. I assume that writing the boot loader (language fails
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; me, at the moment) to sdd is fine? I know it's a very basic
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; question - brain is only half-functioning just now due to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; external pressures.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (sda has the old entry.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just wanting confirmation that the existence of the old grub won't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cause any problems :-)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Unfortunately, it does cause problems - of course sda is checked
+</I>&gt;<i> before sdd. I assume that I will now need somehow get rid of the grub
+</I>&gt;<i> on sda - what's the best way to do that?
+</I>&gt;<i> Faint bells are ringing - about re-ordering disks, but in these days
+</I>&gt;<i> of using disk IDs I'm not sure whether the old ways are still valid,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I really don't want to screw things up to the point where recovery
+</I>&gt;<i> is a very big job. I'd appreciate thoughts from a mind that is calmer
+</I>&gt;<i> and clearer than mine :-)
+</I>
+Can you change the boot order in BIOS ?
+
+I have installed M1 on an EeePC, with MSW on the bult-in HD and M1 on a SD;
+just reassigned the HD order and the boot order, and all is well, boots from
+the SD and offers me the choices.
+
+The only complication is when I change SD to install and try out another OS, I
+then have to remember to reset the HD and boot order in the BIOS or it
+directly boots Windows from the HD ;-3(.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ I love standards; there are so many to choose from.
+
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+<PRE>This is what I have on ~/.mozilla/plugins/ on my Solaris machine:
+
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 user group 64 Jun 28 10:13 libjavaplugin_oji.so -&gt;
+/local/jdk1.7.0_05/solaris-x64/jre/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 user group 55 Jun 28 10:12 libnpjp2.so -&gt;
+/local/jdk1.7.0_05/solaris-x64/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so
+
+HTH,
+Alejandro.
+
+On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Phil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">phil_lor at bigpond.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Thank you for reading this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Firefox says that an older JRE version has been disabled and that the
+</I>&gt;<i> latest version should be installed. I've installed the latest JRE (version
+</I>&gt;<i> 7 rpm) from Oracle's site but I cannot relate their instructions to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Firefox directory structure (no plugin directory) under Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No doubt there is a simple way around this. Can anyone offer a suggestion?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Phil
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+On 28/08/12 13:02, Goh Lip wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 08/28/2012 07:49 PM, Goh Lip wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> o when installing boot loader, ...... If the 'master drive' is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not sda, but something else, go to MCC and reinstall boot loader
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to the right one, ie., specify 'sdb' or 'sdc' (the right one).
+</I>&gt;<i> . . .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Finally, should you remove sda, sdb or sdc, watch out for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> above 2 points again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a trick that we install boot/loaders to *ALL* disks so
+</I>&gt;<i> that we do not run into this problem, ie. at MCC, we install
+</I>&gt;<i> boot-loader to sdb, sdc, sdd and *again* to sda.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Still, need to watch out for manually changing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel (hdx,1)/boot/.... initrd (hdx,1)/boot/.....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It does seem a problem waiting to happen, and I know I'm not at my
+brightest right now. I think a better solution would be to disconnect
+the old drives and offer them up as external drives to get everything
+copied over. I have to go out soon, but I'll think this over, and
+hope to tackle it this evening.
+
+Thanks for answering
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> I was able to get the rpm database straightened out, and can run the 3.3.8 kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> but only by using the nouvea driver. I still have to run the older, 3.3.6 kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> to get the NVidia driver to work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>FWIW, and it probably isn't much in this case, the nVidia driver for my
+Geforce 6200 card works fine with the new x86 server kernel on my
+machine after my re-install of Mageia 2. (I had to re-install because
+the update appeared to lock up at a critical point, and I couldn't boot
+into any kernel.)
+
+Two things, however: I'm using whatever version is current in Mageia's
+repositories, installed via MCC. And, I didn't install it until after
+getting all the updates-including the new kernel.
+
+So I guess what I am saying is that from appearances it isn't the driver
+or the kernel that seems at fault, but rather something in the update
+process - as you no doubt suspected, anyway.
+
+TJ
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+&gt;<i> On 08/28/2012 06:08 AM, Phil wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thank you for reading this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Firefox says that an older JRE version has been disabled and that the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> latest version should be installed. I've installed the latest JRE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (version 7 rpm) from Oracle's site but I cannot relate their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instructions to the Firefox directory structure (no plugin directory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> under Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No doubt there is a simple way around this. Can anyone offer a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggestion?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You need to wait for Mageia's own Java RPM to be updated. One of the
+</I>&gt;<i> primary differences between different distro RPMs is file placement. You
+</I>&gt;<i> can't expect an Oracle RPM to have knowledge of Mageia's choices for
+</I>&gt;<i> file placement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, a 0-day security flaw has just been announced for Java 1.7, and
+</I>&gt;<i> people are recommending that Java in browsers be disabled until Oracle
+</I>&gt;<i> can issue a patch (perhaps not until October 16).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>IIRC, Mageia's own Oracle Java won't be updated beyond version 1.6.x
+because of licensing changes. Mageia is recommending the open source
+icedtea-web plugin instead.
+
+However, you can install Java 1.7.x yourself when Oracle releases the
+fixed version. In Mageia, as in Mandriva before it, the system-wide
+firefox plugins can be found in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. (but be sure
+to remove any others, including icedtea-web, that might be there)
+
+TJ
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+<PRE>tisdagen den 28 augusti 2012 11.26.35 skrev Alejandro L&#243;pez:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:18 AM, blind Pete &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0123peter at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Alejandro L&#243;pez wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.
+</I>
+Two reasons against:
+
+1) it is a good idea to be able to get the checksums and signatures
+separately.
+
+2) assembling them in one file adds an extra step that probably some users are
+not confident with, thus repelling.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Just an idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Assuming that the iso is already compressed, &quot;tar&quot; rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; another compression. But just having them near each other would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the ISO is already compressed, depending on the compressor the
+</I>&gt;<i> verification files could be added to the compressed file; or, if the
+</I>&gt;<i> compressor only accepts one file per compressed file, as you proposed, a
+</I>&gt;<i> tar including the compressed ISO and the verification files could make it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, the ISO files are not compressed.
+</I>
+But i believe the content in the iso file is compressed?
+
+&gt;<i> Alejandro.
+</I>
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+ <B>Gary Montalbine</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/28/2012 08:24 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> It does seem a problem waiting to happen, and I know I'm not at my
+</I>&gt;<i> brightest right now. I think a better solution would be to disconnect
+</I>&gt;<i> the old drives and offer them up as external drives to get everything
+</I>&gt;<i> copied over. I have to go out soon, but I'll think this over, and
+</I>&gt;<i> hope to tackle it this evening.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for answering
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+For a non-techie, I have found after several problems that the easiest
+for me is to disconnect the old HD's. Install mageia on my new HD. Shut
+down and reconnect the old HD's. Restart and then go to MCC and mount
+the old drives. Then use dolphin to transfer files.
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 28/08/12 13:12, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 28 Aug 2012 07:01 my mailbox was graced by a message
+</I>&gt;<i> from Anne Wilson who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm currently installing M2 as a dual boot onto sdd. When
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> all data is transferred to the new disk, sda, sdb and sdc
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will be removed. I assume that writing the boot loader
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (language fails me, at the moment) to sdd is fine? I know
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's a very basic question - brain is only half-functioning
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just now due to external pressures. (sda has the old entry.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just wanting confirmation that the existence of the old grub
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> won't cause any problems :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately, it does cause problems - of course sda is checked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before sdd. I assume that I will now need somehow get rid of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grub on sda - what's the best way to do that? Faint bells are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ringing - about re-ordering disks, but in these days of using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disk IDs I'm not sure whether the old ways are still valid, and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really don't want to screw things up to the point where recovery
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is a very big job. I'd appreciate thoughts from a mind that is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> calmer and clearer than mine :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you change the boot order in BIOS ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That sounded a good idea. It's so long since I did things like this
+that I had forgotten it altogether. However....
+
+&gt;<i> I have installed M1 on an EeePC, with MSW on the bult-in HD and M1
+</I>&gt;<i> on a SD; just reassigned the HD order and the boot order, and all
+</I>&gt;<i> is well, boots from the SD and offers me the choices.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only complication is when I change SD to install and try out
+</I>&gt;<i> another OS, I then have to remember to reset the HD and boot order
+</I>&gt;<i> in the BIOS or it directly boots Windows from the HD ;-3(.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Mageia appeared to be starting up, but when it came to logging in, it
+couldn't find the home directories (separate partition). I'm not in a
+frantic hurry - I have more RAM on order, to arrive tomorrow, so I've
+plenty of time to decide what to do next, but I think disconnecting
+the old drives and using a dock to copy anything I need is probably
+the quickest and safest way to go about things.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Le 2012-08-28 08:32, TJ a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 08/28/2012 03:46 AM, KevinO wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was able to get the rpm database straightened out, and can run the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3.3.8 kernel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but only by using the nouvea driver. I still have to run the older,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3.3.6 kernel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to get the NVidia driver to work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, and it probably isn't much in this case, the nVidia driver for my
+</I>&gt;<i> Geforce 6200 card works fine with the new x86 server kernel on my
+</I>&gt;<i> machine after my re-install of Mageia 2. (I had to re-install because
+</I>&gt;<i> the update appeared to lock up at a critical point, and I couldn't boot
+</I>&gt;<i> into any kernel.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Two things, however: I'm using whatever version is current in Mageia's
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories, installed via MCC. And, I didn't install it until after
+</I>&gt;<i> getting all the updates-including the new kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess what I am saying is that from appearances it isn't the driver
+</I>&gt;<i> or the kernel that seems at fault, but rather something in the update
+</I>&gt;<i> process - as you no doubt suspected, anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TJ
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, the update is/was broken and it look like it may have something to
+do with Nvdia cards, or, at least, that's what it looks like. I still
+have a couple of units to update with the new kernel but can't do these
+until a couple of days from now, they both have Nvidia cards in them.
+
+I don't know if the update has been fixed ... maybe a dev could chime in
+at this point to let us know if this has been fixed.
+
+I also help out quite a few Mageia boxes (I volunteer my time) but only
+have 4-5 Mageia2 boxes so far to watch, all the others are still on
+Mageia1 but will all eventually be brought in for servicing. But, I
+haven't heard from the other Mageia2 owners call in with problems yet
+(they probably haven't done their updates, -- they are all mostly seniors).
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:37:54 +0100
+Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 28/08/12 13:12, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tuesday 28 Aug 2012 07:01 my mailbox was graced by a message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from Anne Wilson who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm currently installing M2 as a dual boot onto sdd. When
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; all data is transferred to the new disk, sda, sdb and sdc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; will be removed. I assume that writing the boot loader
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (language fails me, at the moment) to sdd is fine? I know
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it's a very basic question - brain is only half-functioning
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; just now due to external pressures. (sda has the old entry.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Just wanting confirmation that the existence of the old grub
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; won't cause any problems :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Unfortunately, it does cause problems - of course sda is checked
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; before sdd. I assume that I will now need somehow get rid of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; grub on sda - what's the best way to do that? Faint bells are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ringing - about re-ordering disks, but in these days of using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; disk IDs I'm not sure whether the old ways are still valid, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; really don't want to screw things up to the point where recovery
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is a very big job. I'd appreciate thoughts from a mind that is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; calmer and clearer than mine :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can you change the boot order in BIOS ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> That sounded a good idea. It's so long since I did things like this
+</I>&gt;<i> that I had forgotten it altogether. However....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have installed M1 on an EeePC, with MSW on the bult-in HD and M1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on a SD; just reassigned the HD order and the boot order, and all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is well, boots from the SD and offers me the choices.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The only complication is when I change SD to install and try out
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; another OS, I then have to remember to reset the HD and boot order
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in the BIOS or it directly boots Windows from the HD ;-3(.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia appeared to be starting up, but when it came to logging in, it
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't find the home directories (separate partition).
+</I>
+AFAIR, on some PCs, changing boot order will also change drive naming
+(the BIOS really changes the enumeration order of devices).
+So if you didn't use a &quot;smart&quot; scheme for your /etc/fstab entries, like
+UUID= or LABEL= mounting, mounting those partitions will fail.
+
+Regards
+
+Antoine.
+
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+&gt;<i> Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing the
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.
+</I>
+Then how do you verify the compressed archive contaning the iso with signature and checksums? You need another signature file and checksum files to check the archive, thus defeating the purpose.
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+&gt;<i> On Monday 27 August 2012 15:55, Alejandro L&#243;pez wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then how do you verify the compressed archive contaning the iso with signature and checksums? You need another signature file and checksum files to check the archive, thus defeating the purpose.
+</I>
+You don't have to sign this again:
+ - you check the checksums against the iso file,
+ - you check the signatures of checksums are correct and match the
+right key (here Mageia's public key),
+ - and you're done.
+
+If someone tampers with the ISO and/or checksums, the signature check will fail.
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+El 28/08/12 18:49, Marc Par&#233; escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> But, I haven't heard from the other Mageia2 owners call in with problems yet (they probably haven't done their updates, -- they
+</I>&gt;<i> are all mostly seniors).
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+</I>
+My case. After what I read, I won't be updating soon. :-(
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+ <B>blind Pete</B>
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+I'm not sure what caused this, so I can't really make a bug report
+out of it, but some where along the way my Mageia 2's /boot/grub/menu.lst
+got &quot;interesting&quot;.
+
+The line that, I'm sure, was supposed to start as, &quot;kernel (hd0,6)&quot;
+started as &quot;kernel (hd0,0)&quot;, and it had &quot;root=/dev/&quot;. Not a
+standard configuration. It didn't boot.
+
+Has anyone seen anything similar?
+
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+&gt;<i> The line that, I'm sure, was supposed to start as, &quot;kernel (hd0,6)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> started as &quot;kernel (hd0,0)&quot;, and it had &quot;root=/dev/&quot;. Not a
+</I>&gt;<i> standard configuration. It didn't boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has anyone seen anything similar?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have done the update on 2 systems, both came out of the update with a
+healthy menu.lst (not using nvidia - no problems installing the new kernel)
+
+Juergen
+
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+<PRE>On 28/08/12 22:48, TJ wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 08/28/2012 07:44 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, a 0-day security flaw has just been announced for Java 1.7, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people are recommending that Java in browsers be disabled until Oracle
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can issue a patch (perhaps not until October 16).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC, Mageia's own Oracle Java won't be updated beyond version 1.6.x
+</I>&gt;<i> because of licensing changes. Mageia is recommending the open source
+</I>&gt;<i> icedtea-web plugin instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks everyone for your replies,
+
+The simplest solution, and it works, was to install the iced tea plug-in.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Phil
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+ <B>blind Pete</B>
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+<PRE>Antoine Pitrou wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:37:54 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 28/08/12 13:12, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Tuesday 28 Aug 2012 07:01 my mailbox was graced by a message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; from Anne Wilson who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I'm currently installing M2 as a dual boot onto sdd. When
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; all data is transferred to the new disk, sda, sdb and sdc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; will be removed. I assume that writing the boot loader
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (language fails me, at the moment) to sdd is fine? I know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it's a very basic question - brain is only half-functioning
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; just now due to external pressures. (sda has the old entry.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Just wanting confirmation that the existence of the old grub
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; won't cause any problems :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Unfortunately, it does cause problems - of course sda is checked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; before sdd. I assume that I will now need somehow get rid of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; grub on sda - what's the best way to do that? Faint bells are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ringing - about re-ordering disks, but in these days of using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; disk IDs I'm not sure whether the old ways are still valid, and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; really don't want to screw things up to the point where recovery
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is a very big job. I'd appreciate thoughts from a mind that is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; calmer and clearer than mine :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Can you change the boot order in BIOS ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That sounded a good idea. It's so long since I did things like this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that I had forgotten it altogether. However....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I have installed M1 on an EeePC, with MSW on the bult-in HD and M1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; on a SD; just reassigned the HD order and the boot order, and all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; is well, boots from the SD and offers me the choices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The only complication is when I change SD to install and try out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; another OS, I then have to remember to reset the HD and boot order
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; in the BIOS or it directly boots Windows from the HD ;-3(.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia appeared to be starting up, but when it came to logging in, it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> couldn't find the home directories (separate partition).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIR, on some PCs, changing boot order will also change drive naming
+</I>&gt;<i> (the BIOS really changes the enumeration order of devices).
+</I>&gt;<i> So if you didn't use a &quot;smart&quot; scheme for your /etc/fstab entries, like
+</I>&gt;<i> UUID= or LABEL= mounting, mounting those partitions will fail.
+</I>
+Just to be horribly awkward, installers, boot loaders and operating
+systems can discover things in different orders. This can be much
+worse if you connect and disconnect bits of hardware. There might
+even be spinup delays depending on whether there is a hot boot or
+a cold boot. (Some BIOSes allow for a time delay on some hard drives
+to lessen the startup current.)
+
+Worst case is you have to arrange the hardware then install, but
+if you know which boot sector the BIOS is going to look at you can
+problably sort out fstab and the boot loader after installation.
+
+--
+blind Pete
+Sig goes here...
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 29/08/12 09:03, blind Pete wrote:
+&gt;<i> Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:37:54 +0100 Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 28/08/12 13:12, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 28 Aug 2012 07:01 my mailbox was graced by a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> message from Anne Wilson who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm currently installing M2 as a dual boot onto sdd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When all data is transferred to the new disk, sda, sdb
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and sdc will be removed. I assume that writing the boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> loader (language fails me, at the moment) to sdd is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fine? I know it's a very basic question - brain is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> only half-functioning just now due to external
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pressures. (sda has the old entry.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just wanting confirmation that the existence of the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> grub won't cause any problems :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately, it does cause problems - of course sda is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> checked before sdd. I assume that I will now need somehow
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get rid of the grub on sda - what's the best way to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that? Faint bells are ringing - about re-ordering disks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but in these days of using disk IDs I'm not sure whether
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the old ways are still valid, and I really don't want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> screw things up to the point where recovery is a very big
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> job. I'd appreciate thoughts from a mind that is calmer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and clearer than mine :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can you change the boot order in BIOS ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That sounded a good idea. It's so long since I did things like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this that I had forgotten it altogether. However....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have installed M1 on an EeePC, with MSW on the bult-in HD
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and M1 on a SD; just reassigned the HD order and the boot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> order, and all is well, boots from the SD and offers me the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> choices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only complication is when I change SD to install and try
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> out another OS, I then have to remember to reset the HD and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> boot order in the BIOS or it directly boots Windows from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> HD ;-3(.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia appeared to be starting up, but when it came to logging
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in, it couldn't find the home directories (separate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> partition).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> AFAIR, on some PCs, changing boot order will also change drive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> naming (the BIOS really changes the enumeration order of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> devices). So if you didn't use a &quot;smart&quot; scheme for your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /etc/fstab entries, like UUID= or LABEL= mounting, mounting those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> partitions will fail.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to be horribly awkward, installers, boot loaders and operating
+</I>&gt;<i> systems can discover things in different orders. This can be much
+</I>&gt;<i> worse if you connect and disconnect bits of hardware. There might
+</I>&gt;<i> even be spinup delays depending on whether there is a hot boot or
+</I>&gt;<i> a cold boot. (Some BIOSes allow for a time delay on some hard
+</I>&gt;<i> drives to lessen the startup current.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Worst case is you have to arrange the hardware then install, but if
+</I>&gt;<i> you know which boot sector the BIOS is going to look at you can
+</I>&gt;<i> problably sort out fstab and the boot loader after installation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That's what I'm going to do. I'm following Gary's advice, and
+re-installing with only the new drive attached - which is what I had
+to do to get Windows installed. I'll mount the others from fstab
+later if I need to. Other than that, I have a dock and usb HD
+enclosures, so I've plenty ways of getting to the data. It's just not
+worth fighting to do it a particular way.
+
+Thanks for the help, everyone.
+
+Anne
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+I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high port,
+say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh listen on
+5122. I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing iptables.
+ This is not something I'm familiar with. Can someone please advise me?
+
+Anne
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+ <B>Alejandro L&#243;pez</B>
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+
+In /etc/ssh/sshd_config* *you can configure the port on which sshd will
+listen. Look for the Port keyword.
+
+HTH,
+Alejandro.
+
+On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high port,
+</I>&gt;<i> say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh listen on
+</I>&gt;<i> 5122. I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing iptables.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not something I'm familiar with. Can someone please advise me?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+&gt;<i> I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high port,
+</I>&gt;<i> say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh listen on
+</I>&gt;<i> 5122. I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing iptables.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not something I'm familiar with. Can someone please advise me?
+</I>
+I have in /etc/sysconfig/iptables:
+# 1;3S
+# Generated by iptables-save v1.3.3 on Wed Nov 16 17:30:45 2005
+*nat
+:<i>PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
+</I>:<i>POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
+</I>:<i>OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
+</I>-A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 22
+-A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 53 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 22
+COMMIT
+# Completed on Wed Nov 16 17:30:45 2005
+# Generated by iptables-save v1.3.3 on Wed Nov 16 17:30:45 2005
+
+
+
+or as iptables command:
+iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp \
+ --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 22
+
+that redirect tcp port 443 to 22 (loads of proxies allow you to CONNECT
+to 443, but not to 22).
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>On 31/08/2012 14:00, Alejandro L&#243;pez wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In /etc/ssh/sshd_config**you can configure the port on which sshd will
+</I>&gt;<i> listen. Look for the Port keyword.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HTH,
+</I>&gt;<i> Alejandro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high port,
+</I>&gt;<i> say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh listen on
+</I>&gt;<i> 5122. I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing iptables.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not something I'm familiar with. Can someone please
+</I>&gt;<i> advise me?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Need KDE help? Try
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+</I>
+Make sure the port you want to use is not in use. Once you have set the
+port you want, save the config and run this command to restart the ssh
+server: /etc/init.d/sshd restart
+
+Regards,
+Rory Albertyn
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 31 augustus 2012 12:41:37 schreef Anne Wilson:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high port,
+</I>&gt;<i> say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh listen on
+</I>&gt;<i> 5122. I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing iptables.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not something I'm familiar with. Can someone please advise me?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Need KDE help? Try
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://userbase.kde.org">http://userbase.kde.org</A> or
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+</I>&gt;<i> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> iEYEARECAAYFAlBAotgACgkQj93fyh4cnBdvGQCfVekp2kR9mF1CRdKmTbFeGcce
+</I>&gt;<i> 5U8An3o2acASf0DHzLLMvl9EHLyiHuD5
+</I>&gt;<i> =fGe5
+</I>&gt;<i> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
+</I>
+better to put it in shorewall:
+
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+I presume this is an error?
+We don't want such crap on mailinglists...
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+&gt;<i> Hi guys
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where can I find the isos for mga3 alpha1?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+They are not yet available. Pre-release iso's are going through QA.
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 31 August 2012 16:56, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I presume this is an error?
+</I>&gt;<i> We don't want such crap on mailinglists...
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+Oh yea, I forgot to say. I took the liberty to unsubscribed both lists it appeared on, before I fired away my last mail.
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+On 31/08/12 16:28, AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 31 augustus 2012 12:41:37 schreef Anne Wilson: I need to
+</I>&gt;<i> set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high port, say 5122
+</I>&gt;<i> which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh listen on 5122.
+</I>&gt;<i> I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing iptables. This
+</I>&gt;<i> is not something I'm familiar with. Can someone please advise me?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> better to put it in shorewall:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> use the /etc/shorewall/rules file... on top of the file (and man
+</I>&gt;<i> shorewall- rules) is documented...
+</I>
+I'd love to - but I'm not having much success. After much reading of
+man pages (largely gobbledegook if you don't already know it) and
+tutorials from
+<A HREF="http://runtime.bordeaux.inria.fr/oaumage/oa/Teaching/ARSA_06/Shorewall/">http://runtime.bordeaux.inria.fr/oaumage/oa/Teaching/ARSA_06/Shorewall/</A>
+(much
+easier to understand) I ended up adding lines like
+
+DNAT net loc:192.168.0.40 tcp 143 5143
+DNAT net loc:192.168.0.40 tcp 22 5122
+
+An attempt to restart seems to imply that I can't forward two
+addresses like this, so I assume I'm on the wrong track altogether.
+
+Before adding those lines I used to get
+
+ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.40 port 5122: Connection refused
+
+Now it just hangs.
+
+Depressing :-( This worked so easily and perfectly with the old,
+unreliable LinkSys router. Now I have to find a way to configure it
+on local firewalls, and frankly I'm simply not up to it.
+
+Anne
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+ <I>Fri Aug 31 21:42:26 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>31.08.2012 14:41, Anne Wilson skrev:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high port,
+</I>&gt;<i> say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh listen on
+</I>&gt;<i> 5122. I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing iptables.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not something I'm familiar with. Can someone please advise me?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Why not simply have sshd listen on 2 ports and skip need for port
+forwarding?
+
+
+Just uncomment the &quot;Port 22&quot; line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
+and add a second line with the second port
+
+so it would look like
+
+Port 22
+Port 5122
+
+and restart sshd
+
+with this all access that expects port 22 will continue to work,
+and you can also access it through the new 5122 port.
+
+Simple and effective, and no portforwarding needed.
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+
+
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+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 287<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008375.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008471.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008644.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008366.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008385.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008388.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008469.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008494.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008497.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008554.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008556.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008437.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008447.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008454.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008459.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008460.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008463.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008464.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008466.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008486.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008488.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008491.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008496.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008499.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008500.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008502.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008512.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008513.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008518.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008520.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008521.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008530.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008536.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008539.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008540.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008548.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008549.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008550.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008567.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008572.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008583.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008584.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008596.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008383.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008384.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008436.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008445.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008453.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008456.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia lwn publicity
+</A><A NAME="8456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008446.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008462.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008380.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008498.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008420.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008501.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008503.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008361.html">[Mageia-discuss] Invitation &#224; se connecter sur LinkedIn
+</A><A NAME="8361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008374.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008381.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008432.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008542.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008614.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008371.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wine64 (unofficial packages for Mageia 2 can now be downloaded in this mail via linked words)
+</A><A NAME="8371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008394.html">[Mageia-discuss] Anything happening with https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3381 ?
+</A><A NAME="8394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008553.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008565.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008631.html">[Mageia-discuss] kernel update problem?
+</A><A NAME="8631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008419.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing
+</A><A NAME="8419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008440.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME screen lock
+</A><A NAME="8440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008597.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Call for qa testers for spring2, a Java/J2EE application framework.
+</A><A NAME="8395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008455.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008467.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008483.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Randomised game position (was: Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected)
+</A><A NAME="8427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Deri James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008412.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andres Kaaber
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where ara the isos for mga3 alpha1?
+</A><A NAME="8643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008441.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008576.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008607.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008372.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wine64 (unofficial packages for Mageia 2 can now be downloaded in this mail via linked words)
+</A><A NAME="8372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008429.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008551.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008555.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008557.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008558.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008578.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008402.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008479.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008545.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008458.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008477.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008438.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transfer files Nexus 7 - was &quot; UEFI and Secure Boot&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008478.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008487.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008489.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008490.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008493.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008495.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008504.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008535.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008538.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008588.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008589.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008552.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008457.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008461.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008468.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008595.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008618.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008629.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Blog, 2 years telling the story of Mageia - 2010 - 2012
+</A><A NAME="8407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008623.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gary Montalbine
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008363.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008365.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008368.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008428.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008484.html">[Mageia-discuss] LTSP
+</A><A NAME="8484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008396.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008451.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008569.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008606.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008625.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008571.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008377.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008399.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008397.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008398.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008470.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008485.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008505.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008507.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008508.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008630.html">[Mageia-discuss] kernel update problem?
+</A><A NAME="8630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008633.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008373.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008413.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008426.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008439.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008534.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008541.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rene Rasmussen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008408.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008425.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008434.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008639.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where ara the isos for mga3 alpha1?
+</A><A NAME="8639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008364.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008475.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008481.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008482.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008367.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008409.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008422.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008431.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008627.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008476.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008587.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008620.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008370.html">[Mageia-discuss] Looking for people who use usbmuxd for communicating with iPhone or iPod (for QA)
+</A><A NAME="8370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008369.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing
+</A><A NAME="8369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008637.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Watch the wiki
+</A><A NAME="8391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008472.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia lwn publicity
+</A><A NAME="8472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008387.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008389.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008393.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008411.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008421.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008525.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008575.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008579.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008580.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008581.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008362.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup?
+</A><A NAME="8362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008392.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008435.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008448.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008465.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008480.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008509.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008510.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008515.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008528.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008531.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008533.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008561.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008562.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008574.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008603.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008611.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008646.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008543.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008544.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008547.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008577.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008519.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008591.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008601.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008628.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008546.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008390.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008506.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008563.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008564.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008537.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:33 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>August 2012 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Aug 1 14:41:41 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 287<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008361.html">[Mageia-discuss] Invitation &#224; se connecter sur LinkedIn
+</A><A NAME="8361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008362.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup?
+</A><A NAME="8362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008363.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008364.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008365.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008368.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008366.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008367.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008369.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing
+</A><A NAME="8369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008370.html">[Mageia-discuss] Looking for people who use usbmuxd for communicating with iPhone or iPod (for QA)
+</A><A NAME="8370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008371.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wine64 (unofficial packages for Mageia 2 can now be downloaded in this mail via linked words)
+</A><A NAME="8371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008372.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wine64 (unofficial packages for Mageia 2 can now be downloaded in this mail via linked words)
+</A><A NAME="8372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008373.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008374.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008375.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008377.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008380.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008381.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008383.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008384.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008385.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008387.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008388.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008389.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008390.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Watch the wiki
+</A><A NAME="8391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008392.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008393.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008394.html">[Mageia-discuss] Anything happening with https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3381 ?
+</A><A NAME="8394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Call for qa testers for spring2, a Java/J2EE application framework.
+</A><A NAME="8395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008396.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008399.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008397.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008398.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008402.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Blog, 2 years telling the story of Mageia - 2010 - 2012
+</A><A NAME="8407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008408.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008409.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008411.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008412.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andres Kaaber
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008413.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008419.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing
+</A><A NAME="8419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008420.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008421.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008422.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008425.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Randomised game position (was: Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected)
+</A><A NAME="8427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Deri James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008426.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008428.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008429.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008431.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008432.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008434.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008435.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008436.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008437.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008438.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008439.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008440.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME screen lock
+</A><A NAME="8440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008441.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transfer files Nexus 7 - was &quot; UEFI and Secure Boot&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008445.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008446.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008447.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008448.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008451.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008453.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008454.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008455.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008456.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia lwn publicity
+</A><A NAME="8456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008457.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008458.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008459.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008460.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008461.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008462.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008463.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008464.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008465.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008466.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008467.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008468.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008469.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008470.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008471.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008472.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia lwn publicity
+</A><A NAME="8472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008475.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008476.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008477.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008478.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008479.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008480.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008481.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008482.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008484.html">[Mageia-discuss] LTSP
+</A><A NAME="8484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008483.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008485.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008486.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008487.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008488.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008489.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008490.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008491.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008493.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008494.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008495.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008496.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008497.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008498.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008499.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008500.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008501.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008502.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008503.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008504.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008505.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008506.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008507.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008508.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008509.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008510.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008512.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008513.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008515.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008518.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008519.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008520.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008521.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008525.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008528.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008530.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008531.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008533.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008534.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008535.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008536.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008537.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008538.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008539.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008540.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008541.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rene Rasmussen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008542.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008543.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008544.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008545.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008546.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008547.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008548.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008549.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008550.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008551.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008552.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008553.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008554.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008555.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008556.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008557.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008558.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008561.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008562.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008563.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008564.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008565.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008567.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008569.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008571.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008572.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008574.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008575.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008576.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008577.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008578.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008579.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008580.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008581.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008583.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008584.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008587.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008588.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008589.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008591.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008595.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008596.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008597.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008601.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008603.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008606.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008607.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008611.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008614.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008618.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008620.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008623.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gary Montalbine
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008625.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008627.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008628.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008629.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008630.html">[Mageia-discuss] kernel update problem?
+</A><A NAME="8630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008631.html">[Mageia-discuss] kernel update problem?
+</A><A NAME="8631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008633.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008637.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008639.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where ara the isos for mga3 alpha1?
+</A><A NAME="8639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where ara the isos for mga3 alpha1?
+</A><A NAME="8643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008644.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008646.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:33 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>August 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Aug 1 14:41:41 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 287<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008394.html">[Mageia-discuss] Anything happening with https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3381 ?
+</A><A NAME="8394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008475.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008479.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008480.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008481.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008482.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008483.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008383.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008384.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008385.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008377.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008380.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008381.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008399.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008397.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008402.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008412.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andres Kaaber
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008611.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008623.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gary Montalbine
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008633.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Call for qa testers for spring2, a Java/J2EE application framework.
+</A><A NAME="8395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008396.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008398.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008451.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008440.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME screen lock
+</A><A NAME="8440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008369.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing
+</A><A NAME="8369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008419.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing
+</A><A NAME="8419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008551.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008552.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008554.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008555.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008556.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008557.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008558.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008578.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008361.html">[Mageia-discuss] Invitation &#224; se connecter sur LinkedIn
+</A><A NAME="8361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008614.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008618.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008630.html">[Mageia-discuss] kernel update problem?
+</A><A NAME="8630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008631.html">[Mageia-discuss] kernel update problem?
+</A><A NAME="8631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008644.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008373.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008374.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008390.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008392.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008413.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008422.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008426.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008435.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008439.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008370.html">[Mageia-discuss] Looking for people who use usbmuxd for communicating with iPhone or iPod (for QA)
+</A><A NAME="8370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008484.html">[Mageia-discuss] LTSP
+</A><A NAME="8484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008425.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008434.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Blog, 2 years telling the story of Mageia - 2010 - 2012
+</A><A NAME="8407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008456.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia lwn publicity
+</A><A NAME="8456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008472.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia lwn publicity
+</A><A NAME="8472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008509.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008519.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008533.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008534.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008537.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008375.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008470.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008471.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008595.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008596.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008569.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008575.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008576.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008579.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008580.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008581.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008587.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008597.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008606.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008607.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008620.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008625.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008629.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008603.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Randomised game position (was: Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected)
+</A><A NAME="8427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Deri James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008553.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008565.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008637.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008646.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008387.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008388.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008389.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008393.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008408.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008409.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008411.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008421.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008420.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008428.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008429.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008431.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008432.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transfer files Nexus 7 - was &quot; UEFI and Secure Boot&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008436.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008437.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008438.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008441.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008453.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008454.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008455.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008457.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008458.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008459.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008460.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008461.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008462.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008463.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008464.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008465.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008466.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008467.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008468.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008469.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008476.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008477.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008478.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008486.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008487.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008488.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008489.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008490.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008491.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008493.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008494.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008495.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008496.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008497.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008498.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008499.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008500.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008501.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008502.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008503.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008504.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008507.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008510.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008512.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008513.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008515.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008518.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008520.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008521.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008525.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008528.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008530.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008531.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008535.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008536.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008538.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008539.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008540.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008541.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rene Rasmussen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008542.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008543.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008544.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008545.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008546.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008547.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008548.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008549.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008550.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008561.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008562.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008563.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008564.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008567.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008571.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008572.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008574.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008577.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008583.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008584.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008588.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008589.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008445.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008446.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008447.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008448.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008505.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008506.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008508.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008485.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Watch the wiki
+</A><A NAME="8391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008362.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup?
+</A><A NAME="8362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008639.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where ara the isos for mga3 alpha1?
+</A><A NAME="8639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where ara the isos for mga3 alpha1?
+</A><A NAME="8643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008363.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008364.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008365.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008368.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008366.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008367.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008591.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008601.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008627.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008628.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008371.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wine64 (unofficial packages for Mageia 2 can now be downloaded in this mail via linked words)
+</A><A NAME="8371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008372.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wine64 (unofficial packages for Mageia 2 can now be downloaded in this mail via linked words)
+</A><A NAME="8372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:33 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
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+ <h1>August 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Aug 1 14:41:41 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Aug 31 21:42:26 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 287<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01343824901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008361.html">[Mageia-discuss] Invitation &#224; se connecter sur LinkedIn
+</A><A NAME="8361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343845642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008362.html">[Mageia-discuss] What happened to Speaker Setup?
+</A><A NAME="8362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01343930527- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008363.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343930527-01343930910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008364.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01343930527-01343930910-01343931456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008368.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01343930527-01343931420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008365.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01343930527-01343931605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008366.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01343930527-01343931828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008367.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is Mageia 1
+</A><A NAME="8367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01343967513- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008369.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing
+</A><A NAME="8369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01343967513-01344557164- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008419.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME System Settings missing
+</A><A NAME="8419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344064999- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008370.html">[Mageia-discuss] Looking for people who use usbmuxd for communicating with iPhone or iPod (for QA)
+</A><A NAME="8370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01344123052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008371.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wine64 (unofficial packages for Mageia 2 can now be downloaded in this mail via linked words)
+</A><A NAME="8371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344123052-01344206905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008372.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wine64 (unofficial packages for Mageia 2 can now be downloaded in this mail via linked words)
+</A><A NAME="8372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344230674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008373.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344230674-01344242404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008374.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008392.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008413.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344547235- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344547235-01344591583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008426.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344547235-01344591583-01344625261- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008435.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344547235-01344591583-01344625261-01344709446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008439.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344547235-01344591583-01344625261-01344709446-01344728104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344547235-01344591583-01344729094- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344547235-01344591583-01344729094-01344806422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344547235-01344591583-01344729094-01344806422-01344841017- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344555212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344273815-01344340355-01344534322-01344538684-01344546250-01344555212-01344563353- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008422.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344327540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344230674-01344242404-01344247423-01344251879-01344334940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008390.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01344230674-01344242404-01344248439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Laptop running hot
+</A><A NAME="8378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344243541- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008375.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01344249473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008377.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344249473-01344255881- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008380.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344249473-01344255881-01344408233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008397.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01344249473-01344255881-01344408233-01344424543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008402.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344249473-01344255881-01344408233-01344424543-01344490564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008412.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andres Kaaber
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01344249473-01344257328- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008381.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344249473-01344257328-01344407365- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008399.html">[Mageia-discuss] boinc and glibc
+</A><A NAME="8399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344282504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008383.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01344282720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008384.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344282720-01344282925- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008385.html">[Mageia-discuss] blue faces
+</A><A NAME="8385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344331212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008387.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344331212-01344332924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008388.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344331212-01344332924-01344334290- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008389.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01344331212-01344364306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008393.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01344331212-01344437046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008408.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344331212-01344437046-01344482861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008411.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01344331212-01344437046-01344562052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008421.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01344331212-01344437790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008409.html">[Mageia-discuss] tracker down
+</A><A NAME="8409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344339606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Watch the wiki
+</A><A NAME="8391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01344370627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008394.html">[Mageia-discuss] Anything happening with https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3381 ?
+</A><A NAME="8394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01344395019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Call for qa testers for spring2, a Java/J2EE application framework.
+</A><A NAME="8395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01344397925- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008396.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344397925-01344408479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008398.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01344397925-01344421141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344397925-01344421141-01344422713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01344397925-01344421141-01344422713-01344425146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344397925-01344421141-01344422713-01344425146-01344427295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344397925-01344421141-01344422713-01344425907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344397925-01344421141-01344422713-01344425907-01344425976- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01344397925-01344421141-01344459640- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01344397925-01344421141-01344459640-01344787383- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344397925-01344421141-01344459640-01344787383-01344836537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008451.html">[Mageia-discuss] Display window dimensions when resizing
+</A><A NAME="8451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344431486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Blog, 2 years telling the story of Mageia - 2010 - 2012
+</A><A NAME="8407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01344555050- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344555050-01344558199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008420.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344555050-01344558199-01344599102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008428.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01344555050-01344558199-01344599102-01344607648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008429.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344555050-01344558199-01344599102-01344607648-01344611048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344555050-01344558199-01344599102-01344607648-01344611048-01344615333- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008431.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344555050-01344558199-01344599102-01344607648-01344611048-01344615333-01344616502- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008432.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transcode ?
+</A><A NAME="8432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344586170- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344586170-01344589125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344586170-01344589125-01344591448- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Randomised game position (was: Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected)
+</A><A NAME="8427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Deri James
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01344586170-01344590558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008425.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344586170-01344590558-01344616343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01344586170-01344590558-01344616343-01344619415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008434.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection Keeps Getting Disconnected
+</A><A NAME="8434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344661363- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008436.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344661363-01344704530- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008437.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01344661363-01344709082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008438.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344661363-01344709082-01344719625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008441.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01344661363-01344709082-01344719625-01344752015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transfer files Nexus 7 - was &quot; UEFI and Secure Boot&quot;
+</A><A NAME="8444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01344661363-01344970110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008469.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344710794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008440.html">[Mageia-discuss] GNOME screen lock
+</A><A NAME="8440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01344761358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008445.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344761358-01344763723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008446.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01344761358-01344770912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008447.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344761358-01344770912-01344774832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008448.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot (Tony Blackwell)
+</A><A NAME="8448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344883220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008453.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344883220-01344892027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008454.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008455.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008457.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344933305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008458.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344933305-01344945499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008461.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344933305-01344945499-01344953690- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008463.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344944725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008460.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344944725-01344945695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008462.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344944725-01344945695-01344954931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008464.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344944725-01344955688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008465.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344944725-01344955688-01344959002- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008466.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344944725-01344955688-01344959002-01345252694- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008476.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344944725-01344955688-01344959002-01345252694-01345274607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008477.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344944725-01344955688-01344959002-01345252694-01345274607-01345276551- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008478.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344961540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008467.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344932852-01344961540-01344961904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008468.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01344944527- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008459.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008486.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008487.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008488.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008489.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008491.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008493.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345568697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008494.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345568697-01345569074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008495.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345568697-01345582278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008501.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345568697-01345582278-01345583524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008502.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345568697-01345582278-01345583524-01345585263- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008503.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345568697-01345582278-01345583524-01345585263-01345649044- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008513.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345568697-01345582278-01345583524-01345674983- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008543.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345568697-01345582278-01345583524-01345674983-01345737187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008550.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008496.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345573916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008497.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345573916-01345576337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008498.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345573916-01345577491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008499.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345573916-01345577491-01345642047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008507.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345573916-01345577491-01345642047-01345648129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008510.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345573916-01345577491-01345642047-01345648874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008512.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345573916-01345577491-01345642047-01345648874-01345649286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008515.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345573916-01345577491-01345642047-01345648874-01345649286-01345652483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008518.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008504.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008520.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008521.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008528.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008530.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008531.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008540.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008541.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rene Rasmussen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008545.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345717862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008546.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345725507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008547.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345736502- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008549.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345736502-01345799248- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008561.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345736502-01345799248-01345804177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008567.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345736502-01345799248-01345804177-01345830668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008574.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345736502-01345799248-01345820087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008571.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345736502-01345799248-01345820087-01345821661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008572.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345736502-01345799248-01345820087-01345821661-01345891362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008584.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345661491-01345664587-01345705739-01345736502-01345799248-01345820087-01345821661-01345891362-01345898432- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008589.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345666807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008542.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345666807-01345799942- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008562.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345666807-01345799942-01345801952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008563.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345655228-01345656364-01345656909-01345666807-01345799942-01345801952-01345802500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008564.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345653633-01345657791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008535.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345652741-01345654554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008525.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345657922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008536.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345657922-01345658779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008538.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345657922-01345658779-01345661186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008539.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345657922-01345675975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008544.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345657922-01345675975-01345736266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008548.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345657922-01345675975-01345736266-01345845403- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008577.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345657922-01345675975-01345736266-01345845403-01345890857- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008583.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345572675-01345611166-01345657922-01345675975-01345736266-01345845403-01345890857-01345898371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008588.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345560531-01345563676-01345567963-01345578642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008500.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01344883220-01344892027-01344898517-01345549836-01345556521-01345559021-01345561155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008490.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI and Secure Boot
+</A><A NAME="8490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344930108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008456.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia lwn publicity
+</A><A NAME="8456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344930108-01345085606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008472.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia lwn publicity
+</A><A NAME="8472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01344998327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008470.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01344998327-01345025208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008471.html">[Mageia-discuss] MariaDB usage statistics
+</A><A NAME="8471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01345160058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01345160058-01345171436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345160058-01345171436-01345180344- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008475.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345160058-01345171436-01345180344-01345323625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008479.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345160058-01345171436-01345180344-01345323625-01345367104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008480.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345160058-01345171436-01345180344-01345323625-01345367104-01345392474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008481.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01345160058-01345489861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008482.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Simon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345160058-01345489861-01345491163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008483.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345160058-01345489861-01345491163-01345567222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Applications open and close
+</A><A NAME="8492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01345490967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008484.html">[Mageia-discuss] LTSP
+</A><A NAME="8484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oto
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01345537254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008485.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01345537254-01345625234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008505.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345537254-01345625234-01345627482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008506.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345537254-01345625234-01345627482-01345642362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008508.html">[Mageia-discuss] virtual terminal corrupt with multiple X sessions
+</A><A NAME="8508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01345648019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008509.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01345648019-01345648623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345648019-01345648623-01345649187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345648019-01345648623-01345649187-01345649337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01345648019-01345650386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345648019-01345650386-01345652685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008519.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01345648019-01345650386-01345654134- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345648019-01345650386-01345654134-01345654945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01345648019-01345653624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345648019-01345653624-01345654454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345648019-01345653624-01345654454-01345655121- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345648019-01345653624-01345654454-01345655121-01345657202- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345648019-01345653624-01345654454-01345655121-01345657304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008533.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345648019-01345653624-01345654454-01345658189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008537.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345648019-01345653624-01345654454-01345658189-01345798782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01345654544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01345657459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008534.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia on a server?
+</A><A NAME="8534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01345742125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008551.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01345742125-01345742780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008552.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01345742125-01345746112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008554.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345742125-01345746112-01345747660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008555.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345742125-01345746112-01345747660-01345749164- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008556.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345742125-01345746112-01345747660-01345749164-01345749619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008557.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345742125-01345746112-01345747660-01345749164-01345749619-01345753181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008558.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345742125-01345746112-01345747660-01345749164-01345848247- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008578.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to re-enable nvidia driver for new kernel?
+</A><A NAME="8578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01345743388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008553.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01345743388-01345753847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345743388-01345753847-01345803696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008565.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345743388-01345753847-01345803696-01345803800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345743388-01345753847-01345803696-01345803800-01345804254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345743388-01345753847-01345803696-01345803800-01345804254-01345814963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345743388-01345753847-01345803696-01345803800-01345804254-01345814963-01345823905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Saving thunderbird customized toolbars
+</A><A NAME="8573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01345805106- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008569.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01345805106-01345832484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008575.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008576.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01345856724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008579.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01345856724-01345857870- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008580.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01345856724-01345857870-01345858260- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008581.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01345856724-01345857870-01345858260-01345897329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008587.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01345856724-01345857870-01345858260-01345897329-01345922598- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008597.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Hill
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01346138678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008606.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01346138678-01346139965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008607.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01346138678-01346139965-01346157162- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008620.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01346138678-01346139965-01346157162-01346172545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008625.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345805106-01345832484-01345836244-01346138678-01346139965-01346157162-01346172545-01346183429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008629.html">[Mageia-discuss] New kernel cant boot and it killed MCC update
+</A><A NAME="8629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01345887681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01345887681-01345893068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008591.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789-01346068445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789-01346068445-01346071461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008601.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789-01346068445-01346071461-01346071930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789-01346068445-01346071461-01346071930-01346075741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789-01346068445-01346071461-01346071930-01346075741-01346138337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789-01346068445-01346071461-01346071930-01346075741-01346138337-01346145995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789-01346068445-01346071461-01346071930-01346075741-01346138337-01346145995-01346164215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789-01346068445-01346071461-01346071930-01346075741-01346172837- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008627.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01345887681-01345893068-01345894292-01345902194-01345913789-01346068445-01346071461-01346071930-01346075741-01346172837-01346175585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008628.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where is the public key located?
+</A><A NAME="8628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01345917861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01345917861-01345918588- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01345917861-01345919203- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chopin S&#233;bastien
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01345917861-01345919203-01345921472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008596.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01345917861-01345920622- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008595.html">[Mageia-discuss] Netbook webcam video freezes system
+</A><A NAME="8595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346065787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346065787-01346069376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346065787-01346069376-01346074096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008603.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01346065787-01346086703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Playing .flv files (M2)
+</A><A NAME="8605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346148513- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346148513-01346154274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008614.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346148513-01346154274-01346158099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346148513-01346154274-01346158099-01346221436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01346148513-01346156227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008618.html">[Mageia-discuss] Jre and Firefox
+</A><A NAME="8618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346148969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346148969-01346149928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008611.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686-01346154577- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686-01346154577-01346155354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Goh Lip
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686-01346154577-01346155354-01346156674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686-01346154577-01346155354-01346156674-01346165631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008623.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gary Montalbine
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686-01346155933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686-01346155933-01346171874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686-01346155933-01346171874-01346172459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686-01346155933-01346171874-01346172459-01346227385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008633.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01346148969-01346149928-01346151686-01346155933-01346171874-01346172459-01346227385-01346231318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Boot loader advice please
+</A><A NAME="8634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346215909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008630.html">[Mageia-discuss] kernel update problem?
+</A><A NAME="8630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>blind Pete
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346215909-01346220928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008631.html">[Mageia-discuss] kernel update problem?
+</A><A NAME="8631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346413297- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346413297-01346414451- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346413297-01346414451-01346414835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01346413297-01346414688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008637.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01346413297-01346426883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01346413297-01346426883-01346440982- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008646.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01346413297-01346442146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Setting up a port forward
+</A><A NAME="8647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346424887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008639.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where ara the isos for mga3 alpha1?
+</A><A NAME="8639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346424887-01346429395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Where ara the isos for mga3 alpha1?
+</A><A NAME="8643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01346424968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01346424968-01346428616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m vill l&#228;gga till dig p&#229; Zoosk!
+</A><A NAME="8642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
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