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We can do like Corel DRAW! X4 , that has a impact name +</I>><i> and is the 14th version (X4 = X + 4 and X is 10 in Roman numerals). +</I> +No Roman numerals. That's a horrible way to number things. + +Wayne Sallee +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2229">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2229">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2229">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2229">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002230.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002230.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e3bb7f4e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002230.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CABA527.1050100%40WayneSallee.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002229.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002231.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Wayne Sallee</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CABA527.1050100%40WayneSallee.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">Wayne at WayneSallee.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 00:22:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2230">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2230">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2230">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2230">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Mika Laitio wrote on 10/02/2010 07:08 PM: +><i> +</I>><i> My feeling is that the year based numbering is most clearest and +</I>><i> actually was a good change from Mandriva some years ago. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yea, I like the way it was done with Mandriva. + +Wayne Sallee +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2230">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2230">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2230">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2230">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002231.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002231.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..be5959d5d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002231.html @@ -0,0 +1,226 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DPbYmjDyXmb5597LYCJWLauEf%3DWZxbjxnj6Es0%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002230.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002233.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DPbYmjDyXmb5597LYCJWLauEf%3DWZxbjxnj6Es0%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 00:35:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? 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If we intend +</I>><i> to fork mandriva, we should start at this point. And once we have a +</I>><i> release, then we can discuss to change the policy. +</I> +Makes sense but I would suggest you (whole team) already take into +account questions/improvement suggestions while this first release +(not to apply them at once, but to answer and prepare post-release +work and discussions about them). + +I'm sure we all know the two imperatives here: + - setting up the build system and pushing the first release for the 3 +coming months; using the stable existing policies of Cooker; + - advocate, debate, discuss, develop and improve policies. + +(and, actually, that's valid for almost all other teams as well - +sometimes it may be worse, when there's just no policy yet) + +><i> In the case of packagers, we still need to discuss ACLs on packages. +</I>><i> Even at mandriva, who has the most open policy I have seen in term of +</I>><i> commit rights ( when compared to Ubuntu, Gentoo, Fedora and debian ), we +</I>><i> had ACLs on some packages ( kernel, glibc, etc ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So who decide the acl ? The board, the team, a technical comitee ? +</I> +For this kind of discussion/decision, the rule is the same (be it for +packagers or others): + - team discusses; and either: + - reaches an agreement, then inform the Council & Board, then apply; + - can't reach such an agreement, then escalates the issue to +Council, then Board, who will listen, ponder, decide (or return the +discussion to the team). + +Here, provided the Council is not yet constituted, the Board will +directly handle here. + +><i> As I said on irc, I kinda dislike calling a group "master" for +</I>><i> packagers. We are trying to reduce the gap between developers and users, +</I>><i> and as a developer, I am really bothered by such appellation because I +</I>><i> feel it put too much distance between me and non developers, and I think +</I>><i> we try to avoid that. +</I> +I believe we all understand the idea behind it but the wording does +not match everyone's picture. + +It's about having a committed/granted role within the team; or not. +Indeed, there is a difference between someone who has spent some time +in a team, has been recognized by her peers, gets an advanced commit +right for some specific packages, has a say some team-specific +policies, and someone who has not. And there are degrees. + +There's a difference, but that doesn't make a distance. Here, it's a +matter of skills, commitment recognized and approved by peers. We have +to materialize this with roles, name these roles and explain why/how +they interact. + +All the rest is a matter of how you and non-developers interact; can +be distant, or not. + +Please note that it's not a master/slave or dictator/executant +relationship. It's about, as Ahmad said, about experience within the +team, regarding policies, processes; and about acquiring this +experience. See <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprenticeship">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprenticeship</A> somehow. + +It could be, indeed, jedi/padawan, "the great beatle"/"young +grasshopper", whatever. We can find a better naming scheme here too +(of course, it's open); but I'd rather use that scheme now and +demonstrate within the cominig months what it is about (and improve it +with time) instead of spending yet another 60-posts exchange to nail +one down. + +(and, it's not just about packagers; it's a generic term to find for +all teams - in that there are three roles: passers-by/followers, +apprentices and masters - will be too in developers, web, +communication, marketing, design, QA, doc, users teams) + +Again, Ahmad nailed it down very well. It's not about building some +"old timers" clique that would oppose new comers. It's about making a +consistent team that manages consistent processes and evolves in a +concerted way, with everyone, but more importantly with its own +members. And the mentoring process is something that should be done in +a matter of 1, 2, 3 months at most. Maybe more, maybe less, depends on +the team. There's no numerus clausus, provided there are enough +mentors. + +That, too, doesn't prevent other people to contribute within the team +(how would one become an apprentice otherwise?). + +And that too, doesn't make it unreachable to anyone who wants to go +there; quite the contrary, that's why we insist on this mentoring +process being defined by/for each team. It's a matter of goodwill, +patience, work and fun. + +><i> More ever, some people think "I am not in the master group, this name +</I>><i> sound made for important people so I cannot do anything", and do not +</I>><i> feel empowered. +</I> +A "master" is not important but in what she masters. Through my time +in schools and universities, most doctors and masters I have met were +neither important or distant in that they didn't take some vain and +inappropriate pride in their title. They were (are) true masters in +many ways still. + +Attitude, kindness speak way more than a title. + +><i> So as we do not want to appear to have copied on Ubuntu ( as this would +</I>><i> be quite the contrary regarding the packaging community ), I think the +</I>><i> name could be changed to a more factual and a less connoted name. +</I> +That's a counter argument as well. Because they use the word "master"? +Wait then, there are a lot of other words they use over there. So +what? They may even have had good ideas in other areas; what should +prevent us from inspiring/taking from others' good ideas? (be it +Ubuntu or anyone else) + +><i> But given the size of the packaging volunteers group compared to the +</I>><i> current group able to mentor ( ie current cooker packagers who +</I>><i> volunteered ), I expect the backlog of people who want to become +</I>><i> packager to be huge for a long time, which itself bring some interesting +</I>><i> issues. +</I> +Indeed. That's tricky. What's crucial is to face this with calm and +determination to find a common working ground. + +>><i> Oh and we ought to setup mailing-lists for each team shortly. +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> If we expect discussion to happen, who will take care of subscription, +</I>><i> will this be "free for all" or not ? +</I> +Free for all. + +><i> How do we take care of subgroups ( ie the master/apprentice case that +</I>><i> you proposed ), does it map to the ml subscription or not ? +</I> +Everyone subscribed can post to the list. + +><i> I would recommend a alias <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">example-team at mageia.org</A> to be used, so we can +</I>><i> contact the team ( maybe also example-team-leaders@ ), and only for +</I>><i> this, and have mailling list based on task, or group of team ( ie, -dev +</I>><i> would go for packagers and developpers , etc ). Or even something else +</I>><i> than a ml for discussion, after all. +</I> +Mailing-list subscription should be free. We can expect +followers/attendees, "apprentices" and "masters" to manage their ml +subscription by themselves here. + +Hence, provided there is a welcome page for the team explaining how to +join the list, or contacting briefly some people in the team (through +IRC, mail or a drink), I don't see the point to have a +contact-specific ml or alias. + +><i> And as a sysadmin of the project, I would also like to remind that I +</I>><i> will maybe propose to change ml naming ( because the mageia- prefix +</I>><i> should imho be removed ) and location ( ie, use ml.mageia.org domain, as +</I>><i> this would prevent clash in the future for various aliases ) and +</I>><i> software (ie something else than mailman, like sympa ) in a near future. +</I> +Yep. That's a whole other topic though. + + +Thanks for reading, thanks a lot for stating if you fear/wonder if you +misunderstand something, we are in a building process here and your +feedback is valuable in that it helps the whole thing to be better +designed and tried. + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2231">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2231">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2231">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2231">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002232.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002232.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e7951ea21 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002232.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimnQO-WgFJD87qxwOhZso2mygk7O-g6eY6Fh2PH%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002238.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002242.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimnQO-WgFJD87qxwOhZso2mygk7O-g6eY6Fh2PH%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 00:44:06 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2232">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2232">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2232">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2232">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 20:42, Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> "Romain d'Alverny" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-05 +</I>>><i> Apprentices have no voice yet and less rights on infrastructure, +</I>>><i> provided they are being mentored. It's then up to Masters to decide if +</I>>><i> an Apprentice makes it to Master or not. That's the reality behind the +</I>>><i> mentoring process. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In technical things I support two or more levels. There's much to learn for +</I>><i> little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for the +</I>><i> newcommers. +</I>><i> As you describe it, there will be a political division in oldtimers with the +</I>><i> power to vote and newcommers without it as well. And this I can't support. +</I>><i> This sounds too much like a group of oldtimers hanging on to their power (even +</I>><i> if it is not, and I really do believe in you trying to be as democratic as +</I>><i> possible). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please don't initiate any kind of caste-system, to be as open as possible we +</I>><i> do need a hirarchie as flat as possible. +</I> +I understand your fear and maybe words were not the right ones or it +was not clearly explained enough. + +It's not a caste. It's encouraged that team do listen to everyone +involved with them, no matter who (and people may be involved in +several teams, indeed). + +But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a +decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were +recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process. + +Which process is not an exclusive one (keep "bad" newcomers out), but +an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on +the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters' +and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project, +only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team +members. + +Does this answer somehow your point or not? + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2232">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2232">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2232">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2232">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002233.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002233.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..37c126dd6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002233.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Is%20it%20possible%20to%20give%20a%20platform%20for%20translation%0A%09of%20different%20languages%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C8CD32F5E3A2235E-8D8-9D64%40web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002231.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002235.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?</H1> + <B>Jiang Yike</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Is%20it%20possible%20to%20give%20a%20platform%20for%20translation%0A%09of%20different%20languages%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C8CD32F5E3A2235E-8D8-9D64%40web-mmc-d02.sysops.aol.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?">futureway at asia.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 00:43:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2233">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2233">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2233">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2233">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Hello! + + +At present, if someone want to translate the pages or documents into his or her language, he or she must send the translation to administrators, and the administrators will put the translation on the site. If the translation should be improved, the translator have to send the improved translation to administrators again. Administrators are not able to read many languages, so they have to spend much energy and time on edit work of pages and documents with contacting the translator. Therefore, translation work often is inefficient. + + +I think the site can use a mode as Wikipedia. In Wikipedia, I created a Chinese page for Magie. Every time I read it, I have some new ideas to improve it, just modifying one word or two words. So, the page will be better and better. If every time modifying one or two words should be done by administrators, the translation work will be inefficient. + + +Except the original text of English or French, can other languages translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia? 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I don't think you +can find a role name, anyway, that wouldn't be used as vanity title - +vanity is not in the title, it's in the holder. + +><i> I don't see the point in strictly classifying people in either masters +</I>><i> or slaves (sorry, freudian slip, i meant apprentices) because skill +</I>><i> levels are a lot more varied and fluid than just two classes. +</I> +It's not about people skills per se, but about their introduction +within the team and its processes. You wouldn't give a full write +access to some code repository without knowing enough about +committer's capability and code guide understanding? It's not about +excluding, it's about proper inclusion (being mentored by someone +experienced in the team, knowing how the whole thing works, and +getting in). + +That doesn't prevent a new apprentice to demonstrate she already +masters the whole thing and then, great. + +><i> Of course there will be mentors and mentored but there is no need to +</I>><i> create a rigid two class structure with priviledges for the master +</I>><i> class. +</I> +It's rigid (who votes, who doesn't / who has write/production commit, +who doesn't) in that it could be needed in last resort or for +practical purpose at this time. And that a team leader, for instance, +wouldn't be elected if not already recognized by her peer team members +(hence, having done it through the mentoring program). + +But that wouldn't prevent the whole team to have a larger consensus +making culture, if it can. + +Does that answer you? + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2234">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2234">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2234">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2234">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002235.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002235.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d85cde1dc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002235.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Is%20it%20possible%20to%20give%20a%20platform%20for%0A%20translation%20of%20different%20languages%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8gah1%24rnv%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002233.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002236.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?</H1> + <B>Adrian Marcinkowski</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Is%20it%20possible%20to%20give%20a%20platform%20for%0A%20translation%20of%20different%20languages%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8gah1%24rnv%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?">amfidiusz at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 00:57:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2235">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2235">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2235">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2235">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>W dniu 2010-10-06 00:43, Jiang Yike pisze: +><i> Except the original text of English or French, can other languages +</I>><i> translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia? +</I> +Well, this is how blogs are going to be maintained. I don't think the +mageia.org frontpage will be further developed in the way it can be seen +today. Before the first stable release is announce, the site will +definitely need to be redesigned. However, in my opinion it would be +better to leave it only in English with URLs leading to non-English +communities. + +To sum up, I believe there is not need to give access to the site to +translators. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2235">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2235">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2235">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2235">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002236.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002236.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a5b73409f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002236.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Is%20it%20possible%20to%20give%20a%20platform%20for%0A%20translation%20of%20different%20languages%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D1HGS7qd%2B421SABMwoEC8vz9d5_fiYKg2Vb5Kh%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002235.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002238.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Is%20it%20possible%20to%20give%20a%20platform%20for%0A%20translation%20of%20different%20languages%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D1HGS7qd%2B421SABMwoEC8vz9d5_fiYKg2Vb5Kh%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 01:08:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2236">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2236">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2236">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2236">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 00:57, Adrian Marcinkowski <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amfidiusz at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> W dniu 2010-10-06 00:43, Jiang Yike pisze: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Except the original text of English or French, can other languages +</I>>><i> translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, this is how blogs are going to be maintained. I don't think the +</I>><i> mageia.org frontpage will be further developed in the way it can be seen +</I>><i> today. Before the first stable release is announce, the site will definitely +</I>><i> need to be redesigned. +</I> +Definitely, yes. + +><i> However, in my opinion it would be better to leave it +</I>><i> only in English with URLs leading to non-English communities. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To sum up, I believe there is not need to give access to the site to +</I>><i> translators. +</I> +Depends. We would like the main web site to be localized in several, +many languages (notwithstanding other web resources). + +There are several ways to do it: CMS, wiki, specific po file-based, +full HTML in language trees through a SCM, etc. + +The main website being more in a showcase situation, we will need to +have a reasonable control over the HTML there, in every locale. There +is a balance to find between Web design, integrators and translators +coordination. So it may be that a light, custom, HTML edited, +file-based with a SCM solution would fit (every translator handling +her own language tree, synchronizing with the pivot language - +Blogdrake people experienced that in the past, I already posted +something about that in a earlier message; it has drawbacks, +advantages and can be improved). + +Other parts of the Web site will definitely use something else +(localized forums, wikis, some specific web apps, hence using language +files). Again, nothing decided yet. + +I hope we can start working on this about next week (going through the +Web team, coordinating with comm' and marketing teams). + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2236">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2236">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2236">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2236">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002237.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002237.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f94fe1e37 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002237.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinXtUPK9RX3_aVCbhmuDpSY3Mui9nSF69K74nFM%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002234.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002239.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinXtUPK9RX3_aVCbhmuDpSY3Mui9nSF69K74nFM%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 02:42:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002239.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2237">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2237">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2237">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2237">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 16:24, Maât <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> Le 05/10/2010 02:39, Frederic Janssens a écrit : +</I>><i> > communication structure. +</I>><i> +</I> + +><i> > So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more +</I>><i> > constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it +</I>><i> > now ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks for the reply +</I> +><i> +</I>><i> Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to +</I>><i> bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a +</I>><i> (hopefully big) number of them in forum support team. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, I think their role should be better advertised, and coupled to support. + + +><i> -- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users +</I>><i> (and hopefully also skilled experts) willing to guide less experienced +</I>><i> users and new comers. Ideally this team should be rather large to give +</I>><i> users a feeling of being quickly and well taken care of. +</I>><i> The members of this team will offer the better way for Mageia to welcome +</I>><i> users and give a positive support experience. This task can be very time +</I>><i> consuming so the more skilled they will be and the more their number +</I>><i> will be, +</I> + +I think it would be best to have a gradation of skills, with an easy access +to +less specialised helper roles. +The nearest thing I know to what I envision is the karma/moderation model of + +<A HREF="http://slashdot.org/">http://slashdot.org/</A> . But *phpBB3* does not seem support such sorts of +features. +I am still trying to understand it's structure to see if it is reasonable to +try to add them. + +the more easy to endure will be the task and the more happy +><i> will be Mageia end users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>This team work and the quality of packagers work (iow the distro) imho +><i> will be the best assets of Mageia to conquer the world :o) (i'm +</I>><i> borrowing Goom's "clown nose") +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, definitly. I think we must try to find ways/structures that help make +</I>these tasks enjoyable. The guiding principle beeing : most people enjoy +beeing helpfull +within their abilities when they feel like it. So we have to give them (not +only those formally member of the team) the tools and permissions adapted to +their level of competence. + +I mostly agree with all you wrote, but am too tired to do further comments +at this moment. +Thanks + +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/568ae207/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002239.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2237">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2237">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2237">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2237">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002238.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002238.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6a2b35ac0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002238.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Is%20it%20possible%20to%20give%20a%20platform%20for%0A%20translation%20of%20different%20languages%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C8CD33228A95F3CC-84C-A503%40web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002236.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002232.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?</H1> + <B>Jiang Yike</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Is%20it%20possible%20to%20give%20a%20platform%20for%0A%20translation%20of%20different%20languages%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C8CD33228A95F3CC-84C-A503%40web-mmc-d01.sysops.aol.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?">futureway at asia.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 06:03:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2238">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2238">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2238">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2238">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Oct 6, 2010 Romain d'Alverny <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + + +><i>Depends. We would like the main web site to be localized in several, +</I>><i>many languages (notwithstanding other web resources). +</I>><i> +</I>><i>There are several ways to do it: CMS, wiki, specific po file-based, +</I>><i>full HTML in language trees through a SCM, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i>The main website being more in a showcase situation, we will need to +</I>><i>have a reasonable control over the HTML there, in every locale. There +</I>><i>is a balance to find between Web design, integrators and translators +</I>><i>coordination. So it may be that a light, custom, HTML edited, +</I>><i>file-based with a SCM solution would fit (every translator handling +</I>><i>her own language tree, synchronizing with the pivot language - +</I>><i>Blogdrake people experienced that in the past, I already posted +</I>><i>something about that in a earlier message; it has drawbacks, +</I>><i>advantages and can be improved). +</I>><i> +</I>><i>Other parts of the Web site will definitely use something else +</I>><i>(localized forums, wikis, some specific web apps, hence using language +</I>><i>files). Again, nothing decided yet. +</I>><i> +</I>><i>I hope we can start working on this about next week (going through the +</I>><i>Web team, coordinating with comm' and marketing teams). +</I>><i> +</I>><i>Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i>Romain +</I> + + +Well, I see. Things are not ready at present. +CMS (for official contents) + Wiki (for multilingual contents) is a good mode. Different work has different permissions. +Anyway, tt's a top priority to release a preview or beta version of Mageia.:) +Take care! +Yike + +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/2bdb5572/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2238">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2238">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2238">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2238">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002239.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002239.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..69604e7f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002239.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BDoc%20Team%5D%20Proposal%2C%20questions%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimLWtgMbs9YqfnTdh%2BDC6kqpzeKKEvcY3fP9J2s%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002237.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002240.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ?</H1> + <B>yvan munoz</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BDoc%20Team%5D%20Proposal%2C%20questions%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimLWtgMbs9YqfnTdh%2BDC6kqpzeKKEvcY3fP9J2s%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ?">mr.yvan.munoz at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 07:55:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2239">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2239">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2239">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2239">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Please first excuse my english level (and sometimes usage of automatic +translation) +I have some reflexions and questions i think it could be interesting to +share here : + +Doc Team. + +_ base : that the documentary team has previously conducted +_ base : operation for common tools for this job + +_ objective : make participation easy +_ objective : produce quality docs for readers + +_ question : could we mix the usage of wiki and edition ? ;-) +_ proposition : reserve wiki for contributors works, simply by have a large +banner at the top of wiki welcome page (docs.mageia.org ? or whereever). +Banner invite to download latest doc compil. + +_ effect : no invitation to read wiki. Wiki is ever a working place (as +cauldron is dev sys) +_ effect : Readers and users have ever a validated and finalised +documentation +_ effect : preserve 'works-ever' wiki and prevent any 'never-finished' +impression for docs readers +_ effect : make people want to participate by producing a good doc final +quality + +No revolution, no new tool, no great idea (sorry :p), just a little orga +adjusment to change perception of readers on our doc. +Additonnals : produce in well know format, standard, with easy scanning and +indexing for desktop tools (as strigi / nepomuk) + +Resume in two sentences : +Wiki is for workers. Final doc is for readers, and could include common +texts (as releases notes, issues and wiki doc) +Mix wiki usage for edition objective to have separation between places : +works and reads. + +Regards +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/4209b3a9/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2239">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2239">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2239">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2239">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002240.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002240.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e1cc8a990 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002240.html @@ -0,0 +1,138 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C201010060836.01717.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002239.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002241.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C201010060836.01717.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 08:36:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002239.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ? 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It +would be interesting to find out what is different between this and the other +threads? + +something about dates in the future when delivered? or something? +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002239.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2240">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2240">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2240">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2240">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002241.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002241.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..795a5d26f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002241.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D7EXEXhdq%2B9sKinYAJP%2B%2BcWqTcPaS%3DS5dzarWW%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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There's much to learn +</I>><i> > for little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for +</I>><i> > the newcommers. +</I>><i> But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a +</I>><i> decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were +</I>><i> recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Which process is not an exclusive one (keep "bad" newcomers out), but +</I>><i> an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on +</I>><i> the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters' +</I>><i> and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project, +</I>><i> only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team +</I>><i> members. +</I>As said before. There is no problem with having "masters" and "padawans" (I +would prefer that term to apprentice :D ) when it comestotechnical decisions. +I hope that all (orat least most) people involvedin mageia will let the people +with the technical knowledge do the technical decisions (althoug some +discussions on the mls do read different). +I do understand and support the need for reviewing the work ofnew packagers, +correcting it and teaching those new packagers how to build better packages +but that is - as I said - a technical decision, in which nothing at all can be +said against a master-padawan-thing. Even if those new packagers have +builtrpms for years (because I have seen quite some rpms fromlocal communities +whose spec files made me shudder). +But I do believe, when it comes to policy decisions (like electing board +members and so on) there should not be those who have a vote and those +whodoesn't. Certainly there must be some kind of differentiation between active +community members and passers-by who just want to "troll vote". But as you +described it initially, a majority of the active community members (like those +poor folks who did community work for years now in their local communities) +would be excluded from deciding the directionthe community as a whole does +take. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2242">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2242">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2242">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2242">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002243.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002243.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dc80ddd54 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002243.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim6uh3g4U222Rs7DNQk%3D0ZMnEh00Eb%3Dm0bAeDLQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002242.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002244.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim6uh3g4U222Rs7DNQk%3D0ZMnEh00Eb%3Dm0bAeDLQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 09:19:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2243">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2243">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2243">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2243">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 6 October 2010 08:58, Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> "Romain d'Alverny" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-06 +</I>>><i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 20:42, Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>>><i> > In technical things I support two or more levels. There's much to learn +</I>>><i> > for little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for +</I>>><i> > the newcommers. +</I>>><i> But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a +</I>>><i> decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were +</I>>><i> recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Which process is not an exclusive one (keep "bad" newcomers out), but +</I>>><i> an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on +</I>>><i> the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters' +</I>>><i> and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project, +</I>>><i> only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team +</I>>><i> members. +</I>><i> As said before. There is no problem with having "masters" and "padawans" (I +</I>><i> would prefer that term to apprentice :D ) when it comestotechnical decisions. +</I>><i> I hope that all (orat least most) people involvedin mageia will let the people +</I>><i> with the technical knowledge do the technical decisions (althoug some +</I>><i> discussions on the mls do read different). +</I>><i> I do understand and support the need for reviewing the work ofnew packagers, +</I>><i> correcting it and teaching those new packagers how to build better packages +</I>><i> but that is - as I said - a technical decision, in which nothing at all can be +</I>><i> said against a master-padawan-thing. Even if those new packagers have +</I>><i> builtrpms for years (because I have seen quite some rpms fromlocal communities +</I>><i> whose spec files made me shudder). +</I>><i> But I do believe, when it comes to policy decisions (like electing board +</I>><i> members and so on) there should not be those who have a vote and those +</I>><i> whodoesn't. Certainly there must be some kind of differentiation between active +</I>><i> community members and passers-by who just want to "troll vote". But as you +</I>><i> described it initially, a majority of the active community members (like those +</I>><i> poor folks who did community work for years now in their local communities) +</I>><i> would be excluded from deciding the directionthe community as a whole does +</I>><i> take. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I> +I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people +will be in charge of decision making forever. + +If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be +replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new +packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old +packager. + +Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts +working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence. +(trust is gained not given, right?). + +(For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you, +doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get +older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take +some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence +before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy +until a new new guy joins.). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2243">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2243">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2243">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2243">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002244.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002244.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ac3adce50 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002244.html @@ -0,0 +1,124 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinh-jXJYAuZYaz-h9Bo1hDVJO81zbjydVyNRQ-P%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002243.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002245.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinh-jXJYAuZYaz-h9Bo1hDVJO81zbjydVyNRQ-P%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 09:20:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2244">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2244">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2244">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2244">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 6 October 2010 09:19, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On 6 October 2010 08:58, Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> "Romain d'Alverny" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-06 +</I>>>><i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 20:42, Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>>><i> wrote: +</I>>>><i> > In technical things I support two or more levels. There's much to learn +</I>>>><i> > for little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for +</I>>>><i> > the newcommers. +</I>>>><i> But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a +</I>>>><i> decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were +</I>>>><i> recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Which process is not an exclusive one (keep "bad" newcomers out), but +</I>>>><i> an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on +</I>>>><i> the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters' +</I>>>><i> and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project, +</I>>>><i> only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team +</I>>>><i> members. +</I>>><i> As said before. There is no problem with having "masters" and "padawans" (I +</I>>><i> would prefer that term to apprentice :D ) when it comestotechnical decisions. +</I>>><i> I hope that all (orat least most) people involvedin mageia will let the people +</I>>><i> with the technical knowledge do the technical decisions (althoug some +</I>>><i> discussions on the mls do read different). +</I>>><i> I do understand and support the need for reviewing the work ofnew packagers, +</I>>><i> correcting it and teaching those new packagers how to build better packages +</I>>><i> but that is - as I said - a technical decision, in which nothing at all can be +</I>>><i> said against a master-padawan-thing. Even if those new packagers have +</I>>><i> builtrpms for years (because I have seen quite some rpms fromlocal communities +</I>>><i> whose spec files made me shudder). +</I>>><i> But I do believe, when it comes to policy decisions (like electing board +</I>>><i> members and so on) there should not be those who have a vote and those +</I>>><i> whodoesn't. Certainly there must be some kind of differentiation between active +</I>>><i> community members and passers-by who just want to "troll vote". But as you +</I>>><i> described it initially, a majority of the active community members (like those +</I>>><i> poor folks who did community work for years now in their local communities) +</I>>><i> would be excluded from deciding the directionthe community as a whole does +</I>>><i> take. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Oliver +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people +</I>><i> will be in charge of decision making forever. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be +</I>><i> replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new +</I>><i> packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old +</I>><i> packager. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts +</I>><i> working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence. +</I>><i> (trust is gained not given, right?). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you, +</I>><i> doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get +</I>><i> older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take +</I>><i> some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence +</I>><i> before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy +</I>><i> until a new new guy joins.). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>><i> +</I> +P.S. I forgot to say I like the term "padawans" too. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2244">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2244">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2244">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2244">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002245.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002245.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fbb70f40d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002245.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C201010060944.59555.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002244.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002250.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C201010060944.59555.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 09:44:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2245">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2245">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2245">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2245">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-06 +><i> > I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people +</I>><i> > will be in charge of decision making forever. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be +</I>><i> > replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new +</I>><i> > packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old +</I>><i> > packager. +</I> +That is o.k., you (or it's better tosay we) just have tomake sure, there are +nounneccessary obstacles fora padawan tobecome a master. +I wasjust concerned by Romains words in his original posting +><i> > > The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for +</I>><i> > > decisions or leader election) +</I>><i> > > [...] +</I>><i> > > Apprentices have no voice yet +</I>That sounded a lotlike creating two castes, one with power, one without. But +as he wrote later, it was just a matter of putting it in the wrong words. + +><i> > Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts +</I>><i> > working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence. +</I>><i> > (trust is gained not given, right?). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > (For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you, +</I>><i> > doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get +</I>><i> > older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take +</I>><i> > some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence +</I>><i> > before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy +</I>><i> > until a new new guy joins.). +</I>That's logical and as I wrote, I have no problemat all with being tutored by +some experienced packager who will be able to teach me many things I don't +know yet. +After all "you have much to learn, young padawan". + +><i> +</I>><i> P.S. 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Simply i dont want to start another discuss, just pass link here, +where many people seems to be attentive to this type of tools in general + +><i> +</I>><i> There was some discussions among forum moderators at mandriva about +</I>><i> using a better tools for support questions, and I think that shapado or +</I>><i> similar software could be used for that. +</I>><i> But again, not now. +</I>><i> +</I> +Michael Scherer +><i> +</I> +Never mind. I think "Darwin Law" is good for software too :) If shapado or +similar will be used, and if it will be used more than others, then ... :) + +Thanks for your attention +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/df63114f/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002246.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2247">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2247">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2247">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2247">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002248.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002248.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ecf381aca --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002248.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikPH0SsvWmJSBMj02JRGFTm0bpgLrb%3Dk37u7Bpq%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002247.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002249.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikPH0SsvWmJSBMj02JRGFTm0bpgLrb%3Dk37u7Bpq%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 12:44:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002249.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2248">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2248">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2248">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2248">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 08:36, Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>>wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i notice that in 2010.1 in Kmail, this whole thread is grouped for date +</I>><i> "Unknown" which is listed above "Today". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is definately a date header, that doesn't seem to be the problem. It +</I>><i> would be interesting to find out what is different between this and the +</I>><i> other +</I>><i> threads? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> something about dates in the future when delivered? or something? +</I>><i> +</I> +Using gmail in 2010.1 everything seems normal. +But somebody reported the same sort of problem for this thread, with a +message date of 21-10-2010. + + +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/312f25cf/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002249.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2248">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2248">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2248">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2248">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002249.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002249.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2ce2b889b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002249.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageia%20logo%3A%20my%20proposals&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DUPYr%3Df8BqrFq1xAWS%2BiM6ovhfLYfLNi_h3s6F%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002248.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002251.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals</H1> + <B>BenBois</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageia%20logo%3A%20my%20proposals&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DUPYr%3Df8BqrFq1xAWS%2BiM6ovhfLYfLNi_h3s6F%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals">benbois at ooo4kids.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 12:59:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002251.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2249">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2249">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2249">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2249">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi everyone, + +I'd like to present to you some logos I made for mageia. + +For their story: +First, I designed a shape around the letter "m" to be easily and quickly +identifiable. +After that, the idea has been to choose the colors: Orange and blue +the next step has been to find a clear, light and modern font: Greyscale +Basic (<A HREF="http://www.greyscale.net/basic/">http://www.greyscale.net/basic/</A>) +Finally, I've played with 2 ideas: +Idea 1- The letter and a symbol (in memory of the past): a star, a square +and a circle with some light effects in cartoon style. +- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> +- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> +- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> + +Idea 2- The letter like a button with the same light effects plus a version +in plain color. +- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> +- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> +- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> +- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> + +Hope you will appreciate them! + +To introduce myself, I make designs for the OpenOffice.org projects since +2004. +Have a look here: <A HREF="http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/">http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/</A> + +Regards, +-- +Ben +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101006/77f260a5/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002251.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2249">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2249">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2249">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2249">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002250.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002250.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4e6e17c3e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002250.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikeYFbV%3DRNxHDM_OBdJvDCZ4H3Y3EbuHAh_faxh%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002245.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002234.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>atilla ontas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikeYFbV%3DRNxHDM_OBdJvDCZ4H3Y3EbuHAh_faxh%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">tarakbumba at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 13:17:26 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2250">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2250">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2250">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2250">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/6 Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-06 +</I>>><i> > I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people +</I>>><i> > will be in charge of decision making forever. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be +</I>>><i> > replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new +</I>>><i> > packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old +</I>>><i> > packager. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That is o.k., you (or it's better tosay we) just have tomake sure, there are +</I>><i> nounneccessary obstacles fora padawan tobecome a master. +</I>><i> I wasjust concerned by Romains words in his original posting +</I>>><i> > > The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for +</I>>><i> > > decisions or leader election) +</I>>><i> > > [...] +</I>>><i> > > Apprentices have no voice yet +</I>><i> That sounded a lotlike creating two castes, one with power, one without. But +</I>><i> as he wrote later, it was just a matter of putting it in the wrong words. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts +</I>>><i> > working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence. +</I>>><i> > (trust is gained not given, right?). +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > (For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you, +</I>>><i> > doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get +</I>>><i> > older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take +</I>>><i> > some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence +</I>>><i> > before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy +</I>>><i> > until a new new guy joins.). +</I>><i> That's logical and as I wrote, I have no problemat all with being tutored by +</I>><i> some experienced packager who will be able to teach me many things I don't +</I>><i> know yet. +</I>><i> After all "you have much to learn, young padawan". +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> P.S. I forgot to say I like the term "padawans" too. +</I>><i> :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I> +As you may know, i'm not an experienced packager but the only Mandriva +Turkiye community repo packager and maintainer; i'd like to be trained +by experienced packagers (masters) and become padawan. So i think +masters-padawans structure is a good beginning. Also, i think masters +should listen and try to cope with padawans opinions but at least at +the beginning, say until the first release, masters should make +decisions as padawans are not well know build system and deeper +components of the distro. 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Providers come and go depending on +</I>><i> their financial success. When they are successful, the get +</I>><i> bought out. It would be best, in my opinion, as a FAQ or +</I>><i> Wiki item that would somehow be available to users at the +</I>><i> time of installation. A text file does not take a lot of +</I>><i> space on a disc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Sounds reasonable, if the basic dongle installation was +included on the distro. + +Doug +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2254">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2254">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2254">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2254">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002255.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002255.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e07d93e8b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002255.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageia%20logo%3A%20my%20proposals&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimE44tpU7SeUGQUBQtcJkb-%3Dt33NNBif-FWtORR%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002252.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002253.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals</H1> + <B>Diego Bello</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageia%20logo%3A%20my%20proposals&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimE44tpU7SeUGQUBQtcJkb-%3Dt33NNBif-FWtORR%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals">dbello at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 16:40:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002252.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2255">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2255">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2255">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2255">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +><i> Le mercredi 6 octobre 2010 15:21:12, Diego Bello a écrit : +</I>>><i> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, BenBois <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">benbois at ooo4kids.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> > - +</I>>><i> > <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I really like this one! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Congratulations, I can see you have talent and skills in all your proposals +</I>>><i>  :) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I fear this too much similar to a logo of fournitures in France : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/">http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +:<i>( +</I>I really liked it + + +-- +Diego Bello Carreño +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002252.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2255">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2255">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2255">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2255">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002256.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002256.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..91c52b55f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002256.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAC98FB.1090306%40dr2m.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002257.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002258.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Denis MARCOUREL</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAC98FB.1090306%40dr2m.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">denis.marcourel at dr2m.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 17:42:51 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2256">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2256">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2256">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2256">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> Le 05/10/2010 23:06, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> That does not prevent listening, collecting and taking into account +</I>><i> feedback, contributions, opinions from everyone. But those who commit +</I>><i> to a given team work and processes get to organize and ponder all this +</I>><i> to fit in the whole project. +</I> +For optimum performance (not to mention perfection), I think "it +suffices" to establish basic rules of management, to avoid "anarchy" and +"a waste" of time and energy. +There is no question of hierarchy, but to accept our levels of knowledge +and competence. So I'm just a basic user, and I simply and humbly admit +that I hardly understand explanations of a recognized and experienced +developer. +If I have a question or comment, I share those with my level L, and the +next level "higher" L +1. The answer is known ? Everything is OK. +Otherwise the problem is studied by those at level L+1 and L +2. And so +on until the response. +That seems more than acceptable, because there is no shame in accepting +what we are. + +Cordially +Denis +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2256">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2256">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2256">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2256">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002257.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002257.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f9c2148f4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002257.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8ib49%24ums%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002254.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002256.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8ib49%24ums%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 19:20:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2257">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2257">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2257">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2257">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-06 10:12, doug a écrit : +><i> On 05/10/10 14:34, Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Wouldn't this be the basis for including, say, a default +</I>>>><i> dongle +</I>>>><i> installation and a number of representative providers or +</I>>>><i> appropriate links? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Doug +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This would make the job of the maintainer of these setups +</I>>><i> quite a dedicated job. Providers come and go depending on +</I>>><i> their financial success. When they are successful, the get +</I>>><i> bought out. It would be best, in my opinion, as a FAQ or +</I>>><i> Wiki item that would somehow be available to users at the +</I>>><i> time of installation. A text file does not take a lot of +</I>>><i> space on a disc. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Sounds reasonable, if the basic dongle installation was included on the +</I>><i> distro. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doug +</I>><i> +</I> +"If" is the key word. My last dongle was/is not recognized still. Just +waiting to see if the next kernel update will fix this. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2257">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2257">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2257">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2257">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002258.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002258.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cd7ff43a2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/002258.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C20101006190643.2efb4d06%40otfordduckscomputers.co.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002256.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Margot</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C20101006190643.2efb4d06%40otfordduckscomputers.co.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 20:06:43 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2258">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2258">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2258">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2258">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:42:51 +0200 +Denis MARCOUREL <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">denis.marcourel at dr2m.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> Le 05/10/2010 23:06, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>><i> > That does not prevent listening, collecting and taking into +</I>><i> > account feedback, contributions, opinions from everyone. But +</I>><i> > those who commit to a given team work and processes get to +</I>><i> > organize and ponder all this to fit in the whole project. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For optimum performance (not to mention perfection), I think "it +</I>><i> suffices" to establish basic rules of management, to avoid +</I>><i> "anarchy" and "a waste" of time and energy. +</I>><i> There is no question of hierarchy, but to accept our levels of +</I>><i> knowledge and competence. So I'm just a basic user, and I simply +</I>><i> and humbly admit that I hardly understand explanations of a +</I>><i> recognized and experienced developer. +</I>><i> If I have a question or comment, I share those with my level L, +</I>><i> and the next level "higher" L +1. The answer is known ? +</I>><i> Everything is OK. Otherwise the problem is studied by those at +</I>><i> level L+1 and L +2. And so on until the response. +</I>><i> That seems more than acceptable, because there is no shame in +</I>><i> accepting what we are. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cordially +</I>><i> Denis +</I> +We also need to understand that one person might be at different +levels in different circumstances - for example, a packager who +works on OpenOffice might need newbie-level help when starting to +use Amarok. However expert we are in our own specialist field, we +are all newbies at something we haven't tried before! + +-- +Margot +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +**Otford Ducks Computers** +We teach, you learn... +...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you! +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2258">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2258">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2258">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2258">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..351df8bc5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,197 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 6 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>6 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 00:17:38 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:43 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 30<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002251.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2251"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002255.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2255"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002249.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2249"> </A> +<I>BenBois +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2242"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2245"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2237"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2248"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2256"> </A> +<I>Denis MARCOUREL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A><A NAME="2235"> </A> +<I>Adrian Marcinkowski +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2258"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002252.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2252"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2257"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2229"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2230"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2243"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2244"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002246.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2246"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2240"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A><A NAME="2233"> </A> +<I>Jiang Yike +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A><A NAME="2238"> </A> +<I>Jiang Yike +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2253"> </A> +<I>juan acevedo +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2231"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2232"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2234"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages? +</A><A NAME="2236"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2254"> </A> +<I>doug +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002239.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ? 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+</A><A NAME="2239"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2240"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2241"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2242"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2243"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2244"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2245"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002246.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2246"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2247"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2248"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002249.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2249"> </A> +<I>BenBois +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2250"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002251.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2251"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002252.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2252"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2253"> </A> +<I>juan acevedo +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2254"> </A> +<I>doug +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002255.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2255"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2256"> </A> +<I>Denis MARCOUREL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2257"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2258"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:43 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:48 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101006/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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+<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2232"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2234"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2242"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2243"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2244"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2245"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2250"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002249.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2249"> </A> +<I>BenBois +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002251.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2251"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002252.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2252"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2253"> </A> +<I>juan acevedo +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002255.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2255"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2237"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2240"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2241"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002246.html">[Mageia-discuss] 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+ +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286318646- --> +<LI><A HREF="002232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2232"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286318646-01286348302- --> +<LI><A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2242"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286318646-01286348302-01286349555- --> +<LI><A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2243"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286318646-01286348302-01286349555-01286349614- --> +<LI><A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2244"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286318646-01286348302-01286349555-01286349614-01286351099- --> +<LI><A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2245"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01286318646-01286348302-01286349555-01286349614-01286351099-01286363846- --> +<LI><A HREF="002250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2250"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286319161- --> +<LI><A HREF="002234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2234"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--0 01286325752- --> +<LI><A HREF="002237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2237"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<!--0 01286344531- --> +<LI><A HREF="002239.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ? +</A><A NAME="2239"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +<!--0 01286346961- --> +<LI><A HREF="002240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2240"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286346961-01286347247- --> +<LI><A HREF="002241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2241"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286346961-01286347247-01286359895- --> +<LI><A HREF="002246.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2246"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286346961-01286347247-01286359895-01286361113- --> +<LI><A HREF="002247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2247"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01286346961-01286361875- --> +<LI><A HREF="002248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2248"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286362784- --> +<LI><A HREF="002249.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2249"> </A> +<I>BenBois +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286362784-01286371272- --> +<LI><A HREF="002251.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2251"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286362784-01286371272-01286372753- --> +<LI><A HREF="002252.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2252"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286362784-01286371272-01286372753-01286376048- --> +<LI><A HREF="002255.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2255"> </A> +<I>Diego Bello +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01286362784-01286373145- --> +<LI><A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals +</A><A NAME="2253"> </A> +<I>juan acevedo +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286374370- --> +<LI><A HREF="002254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2254"> </A> +<I>doug +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286374370-01286385609- --> +<LI><A HREF="002257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2257"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286379771- --> +<LI><A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2256"> </A> +<I>Denis MARCOUREL +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286379771-01286388403- --> +<LI><A HREF="002258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum 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