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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003113.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003113.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fab877326 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003113.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Firefox prefs: insertRelatedAfterCurrent + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Firefox%20prefs%3A%20insertRelatedAfterCurrent&In-Reply-To=%3C4D756682.5070100%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003115.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Firefox prefs: insertRelatedAfterCurrent</H1> + <B>Colin Guthrie</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Firefox%20prefs%3A%20insertRelatedAfterCurrent&In-Reply-To=%3C4D756682.5070100%40colin.guthr.ie%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Firefox prefs: insertRelatedAfterCurrent">mageia at colin.guthr.ie + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Mar 8 00:13:06 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003115.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox prefs: insertRelatedAfterCurrent +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3113">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3113">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3113">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3113">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 07/03/11 19:21 did gyre and gimble: +><i> sometimes i just have alot of different tabs, perhaps it would be easier to +</I>><i> have tabs on the right side (most of us have widescreen monitors anyway). +</I> +There is a plugin for that (or there was... can't remember as it was a +friend who used it rather than me :)) + +Col + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003115.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox prefs: insertRelatedAfterCurrent +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3113">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3113">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3113">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3113">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003114.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003114.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ffcddd56a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003114.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Alpha2%20iso%20content&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vrz4r5wbct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003119.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003116.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Alpha2%20iso%20content&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vrz4r5wbct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Mar 8 02:51:32 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003119.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox prefs: insertRelatedAfterCurrent +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003116.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3114">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3114">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3114">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3114">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Tue, 08 Mar 2011 01:40:07 +0800, Oliver Burger +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>>寫道: + +><i> Am Samstag 05 März 2011, 02:37:24 schrieb Kira: +</I>>><i> > Please have a look an check what could be missing as important +</I>>><i> > packages and we will see how we can deal with it +</I>>><i> With mplayer, I suggest adding smplayer into the list? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It's the most common mplayer front end, and way better than other +</I>>><i> mplayer based program. +</I>><i> Nothing against mplayer (and especially smplayer, which I use a lot), but +</I>><i> couldn't we go back to have kaffeine as default kde media player? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>If we use the view of QT-based program, not only KDELib-based, then +smplayer is way + +better. Kaffeine is great in KDE3, but currently in KDE4, I think it's + +still not stable enough. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003119.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox prefs: insertRelatedAfterCurrent +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003116.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3114">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3114">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3114">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3114">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003115.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003115.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..91d5da725 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003115.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Firefox prefs: insertRelatedAfterCurrent + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Firefox%20prefs%3A%20insertRelatedAfterCurrent&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Drz6Sqi38T6Y9BRHodvGWZ9xh2o-2YaOGue3Yz%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I can, if you can think useful or have plan for +</I>>><i> this, lay the necessary modification to enter into rpm5 Mageia, with +</I>>><i> the features of Mandriva cooker - fingerprint, syslog, etc. without +</I>>><i> trademark ecc- and produce a first rpm rpm5 for mageia , which also +</I>>><i> contains the functionality required by the passage to the "RPM +</I>>><i> ACID " feauture (berkeley db conversion) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But, can you: +</I>><i> -ensure that all valid packages that build under rpm-4.x (e.g. in Mandriva 2010.x) will build under rpm5? +</I>><i> -ensure that all valid packages that install under rpm-4.x will install under rpm-4.x? +</I>No and no (I'm assuming you mean "install under rpm5 will install +under rpm-4.x"). +Such guarantees has never been provided with any other rpm versions +either and would effectively prevent the possibility of doing any +serious development +and improvement on rpm itself and packaging. + +There's a reason for having backports and why we don't even try aiming +at such goals either. + +If able to give any such guarantees with rpm.org on Mageia you gotta be +either stupid, insane or a damn liar! ;p + +The guarantees and priorities is as always: +* legacy compatibility for older packages +(opposed to future compatibility gets kinda hard with the the whole +time travelling issue and limitations attached to it making future +hard to reliably +define;) +* backportability of current packages +packages needs to be adapted to follow current policies, practice, functionality +etc. in the current distribution, while efforts in ensuring +possibility of backports +needs to be invested in the packaging and adopting along the way rather than +keep adapting rpm to stay compatible with the packaging which gets rather +backwards. + +Very few changes results in breakage for backports, and where it happens it's +easy enough to add conditional behaviour, nothing new forcing any real changes +in long-established practices here.. +Much of the same breakages and issues you hit, you'll hit just as well in newer +versions from rpm.org as well.. +><i> +</I>><i> There is no document specifying what has changed, or even when highlighting changes, no-one (@rpm5.org, or @mandriva.com) has bothered to list them so that contributors can save time instead of troubleshooting breakage. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some issues that have impacted me so far: +</I>><i> -changed behaviour of %exclude +</I>Ambiguity on %exclude usage is a clear bug, %exclude which is solely +intended for +excluding files from a specific package (rather than from being packaged at all. +removing files at end of %install already fit this purpose +sufficiently, which should +make it obvious to most people with understanding of doing technical designs in +general that wiring already existing functionality into an existing +function with +different functionality wouldn't make sense. Also this bug was fixed +since in later +releases such as 4.4.6 & 4.4.8 shipped before the rpm.org change, and should +rather be treated as a regression.) predates the unpackaged files check and +should *not* be used for other purposes. +Fixing this is in packaging is *very* trivial and fully backwards +compatible, not +fixing this OTOH breaks compatibility. +><i> -new reserved macros (%sql) +</I>all new macros introduced has the potential of conflicting with others +and should +always be fixed, it being reserved is more a benefit IMO as it prevents such +incidents to go unnoticed (using very generic naming for macros is a bad +practice in general anyways).. +fixing this does not break any compatibility either ;) +><i> -possible race condition between %__os_install_post and processing of %files (.lzma man pages reported missing where they are in fact .xz) +</I>your own packaging mistake independent of rpm version, explained on +cooker and fixed for you already ;) +><i> +</I>><i> (and of course, the unavailability of the build system - during one of the periods I had the most time to work on packages - due to the rpm5 "upgrade") +</I>><i> +</I>><i> rpm5 has wasted more than half of the time I could afford to contribute to Mandriva. It seems Mandriva has resources to waste, I don't think we have. +</I>you gotta put short-term and long-term effects up against eachother. breakages +were already expected long before starting the upgrade, and the +majority of these +were actually rather in various tools etc. related to rpm rather than +in rpm itself. +The existing situation made it hard to maintain and do development of +rpm in distribution, +packaging and on a the various tools due to being left with since-long +unmaintained +tools used (ie. the older version of the perl bindings that only mandriva +uses and that has been rewritten from scratch since and actively maintained +upstream as well) and having to keep work around it and moving further +and further away from "standard" rpm packaging by keep introducing any new +functionality, scripts, macros etc. as distro specific and harder to collaborate +with others on.. + +You gotta break a few eggs.. +Issues hit in Mandriva gets fixed along the way in both cooker and upstream +in parallel, making extremely few of them of any big concerns for other to +worry about later. +Maintenance and development of various tools, packaging etc. and dealing with +your existing and future issues experienced is something you'll be left to deal +with alone though.. +Considering the *major* amount of time and work invested in r&d historically +always being on Mandriva's end with almost all developers employed to +work on it full time. The harsh reality of trying to keep this up with only a +few of these working on it during their limited spare time should be obvious.. +You're entitled to the freedom of not showing any interest in sharing efforts on +any of these things (and for yourself to blame;), at least you're made aware of +competence, skills, interest and resources that's been offered and is still +available to you. :) + + +><i> +</I>><i> (At present, I am not sure if I will continue to maintain packages in Mandriva, the ones where I need newer packages on non-Mandriva at work which I currently maintain in Mandriva and then rebuild I will maintain for the present, but ones I don't need for work may languish ...) +</I> +(Sorry for slow reponse and late reply..:/) +-- +Regards, +Per Øyvind +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003114.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003118.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3116">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3116">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3116">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3116">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003117.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003117.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d06886908 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003117.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20gsoap%20package%20and%20license%20issue&In-Reply-To=%3C201103081923.46288.anaselli%40linux.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003118.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003120.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue</H1> + <B>Angelo Naselli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20gsoap%20package%20and%20license%20issue&In-Reply-To=%3C201103081923.46288.anaselli%40linux.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue">anaselli at linux.it + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Mar 8 19:23:46 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003118.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003120.html">[Mageia-dev] [ANN] New ml changelog@ +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3117">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3117">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3117">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3117">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, +I was about to upgrade gsoap from 2.7.17 to new 2.8.1, +well i did indeed, when i noticed that the license changed. + +So i decided to ask upstream and i've realized they don't +allow to ship gsoap tools (e.g wsdl2h and soapcpp2) and +source code. + +In addition license on: +<A HREF="http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/soaplicense.html">http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~engelen/soaplicense.html</A> +is not very clear and Fedora should remove it soon. +I believe we should do the same at least until something does not change +upstream. + +WDYT? 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I can, if you can think useful or have plan for +</I>>>><i> this, lay the necessary modification to enter into rpm5 Mageia, with +</I>>>><i> the features of Mandriva cooker - fingerprint, syslog, etc. without +</I>>>><i> trademark ecc- and produce a first rpm rpm5 for mageia , which also +</I>>>><i> contains the functionality required by the passage to the "RPM +</I>>>><i> ACID " feauture (berkeley db conversion) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But, can you: +</I>>><i> -ensure that all valid packages that build under rpm-4.x (e.g. in Mandriva 2010.x) will build under rpm5? +</I>>><i> -ensure that all valid packages that install under rpm-4.x will install under rpm-4.x? +</I>><i> No and no (I'm assuming you mean "install under rpm5 will install +</I>><i> under rpm-4.x"). +</I>><i> Such guarantees has never been provided with any other rpm versions +</I>><i> either and would effectively prevent the possibility of doing any +</I>><i> serious development +</I>><i> and improvement on rpm itself and packaging. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There's a reason for having backports and why we don't even try aiming +</I>><i> at such goals either. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If able to give any such guarantees with rpm.org on Mageia you gotta be +</I>><i> either stupid, insane or a damn liar! ;p +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The guarantees and priorities is as always: +</I>><i> * legacy compatibility for older packages +</I>><i> (opposed to future compatibility gets kinda hard with the the whole +</I>><i> time travelling issue and limitations attached to it making future +</I>><i> hard to reliably +</I>><i> define;) +</I>><i> *  backportability of current packages +</I>><i> packages needs to be adapted to follow current policies, practice, functionality +</I>><i> etc. in the current distribution, while efforts in ensuring +</I>><i> possibility of backports +</I>><i> needs to be invested in the packaging and adopting along the way rather than +</I>><i> keep adapting rpm to stay compatible with the packaging which gets rather +</I>><i> backwards. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Very few changes results in breakage for backports, and where it happens it's +</I>><i> easy enough to add conditional behaviour, nothing new forcing any real changes +</I>><i> in long-established practices here.. +</I>><i> Much of the same breakages and issues you hit, you'll hit just as well in newer +</I>><i> versions from rpm.org as well.. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> There is no document specifying what has changed, or even when highlighting changes, no-one (@rpm5.org, or @mandriva.com) has bothered to list them so that contributors can save time instead of troubleshooting breakage. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Some issues that have impacted me so far: +</I>>><i> -changed behaviour of %exclude +</I>><i> Ambiguity on %exclude usage is a clear bug, %exclude which is solely +</I>><i> intended for +</I>><i> excluding files from a specific package (rather than from being packaged at all. +</I>><i> removing files at end of %install already fit this purpose +</I>><i> sufficiently, which should +</I>><i> make it obvious to most people with understanding of doing technical designs in +</I>><i> general that wiring already existing functionality into an existing +</I>><i> function with +</I>><i> different functionality wouldn't make sense. Also this bug was fixed +</I>><i> since in later +</I>><i> releases such as 4.4.6 & 4.4.8 shipped before the rpm.org change, and should +</I>><i> rather be treated as a regression.) predates the unpackaged files check and +</I>><i> should *not* be used for other purposes. +</I>><i> Fixing this is in packaging is *very* trivial and fully backwards +</I>><i> compatible, not +</I>><i> fixing this OTOH breaks compatibility. +</I>>><i> -new reserved macros (%sql) +</I>><i> all new macros introduced has the potential of conflicting with others +</I>><i> and should +</I>><i> always be fixed, it being reserved is more a benefit IMO as it prevents such +</I>><i> incidents to go unnoticed (using very generic naming for macros is a bad +</I>><i> practice in general anyways).. +</I>><i> fixing this does not break any compatibility either ;) +</I>>><i> -possible race condition between %__os_install_post and processing of %files (.lzma man pages reported missing where they are in fact .xz) +</I>><i> your own packaging mistake independent of rpm version, explained on +</I>><i> cooker and fixed for you already ;) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> (and of course, the unavailability of the build system - during one of the periods I had the most time to work on packages - due to the rpm5 "upgrade") +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> rpm5 has wasted more than half of the time I could afford to contribute to Mandriva. It seems Mandriva has resources to waste, I don't think we have. +</I>><i> you gotta put short-term and long-term effects up against eachother. breakages +</I>><i> were already expected long before starting the upgrade, and the +</I>><i> majority of these +</I>><i> were actually rather in various tools etc. related to rpm rather than +</I>><i> in rpm itself. +</I>><i> The existing situation made it hard to maintain and do development of +</I>><i> rpm in distribution, +</I>><i> packaging and on a the various tools due to being left with since-long +</I>><i> unmaintained +</I>><i> tools used (ie. the older version of the perl bindings that only mandriva +</I>><i> uses and that has been rewritten from scratch since and actively maintained +</I>><i> upstream as well) and having to keep work around it and moving further +</I>><i> and further away from "standard" rpm packaging by keep introducing any new +</I>><i> functionality, scripts, macros etc. as distro specific and harder to collaborate +</I>><i> with others on.. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You gotta break a few eggs.. +</I>><i> Issues hit in Mandriva gets fixed along the way in both cooker and upstream +</I>><i> in parallel, making extremely few of them of any big concerns for other to +</I>><i> worry about later. +</I>><i> Maintenance and development of various tools, packaging etc. and dealing with +</I>><i> your existing and future issues experienced is something you'll be left to deal +</I>><i> with alone though.. +</I>><i> Considering the *major* amount of time and work invested in r&d historically +</I>><i> always being on Mandriva's end with almost all developers employed to +</I>><i> work on it full time. The harsh reality of trying to keep this up with only a +</I>><i> few of these working on it during their limited spare time should be obvious.. +</I>><i> You're entitled to the freedom of not showing any interest in sharing efforts on +</I>><i> any of these things (and for yourself to blame;), at least you're made aware of +</I>><i> competence, skills, interest and resources that's been offered and is still +</I>><i> available to you. :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> (At present, I am not sure if I will continue to maintain packages in Mandriva, the ones where I need newer packages on non-Mandriva at work which I currently maintain in Mandriva and then rebuild I will maintain for the present, but ones I don't need for work may languish ...) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (Sorry for slow reponse and late reply..:/) +</I> +Thanks for your inputs. Decision was taken some weeks ago and we will +follow it for now. You may have very good reasons on your side, please +respect ours. + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003116.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003117.html">[Mageia-dev] gsoap package and license issue +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3118">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3118">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3118">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3118">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003119.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003119.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..15918b374 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003119.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Firefox prefs: insertRelatedAfterCurrent + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Firefox%20prefs%3A%20insertRelatedAfterCurrent&In-Reply-To=%3C201103082014.18578.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Rpm5 already has a builtbot +</I>>><i> with Magela and rpm5. I can, if you can think useful or have plan for +</I>>><i> this, lay the necessary modification to enter into rpm5 Mageia, with +</I>>><i> the features of Mandriva cooker - fingerprint, syslog, etc. without +</I>>><i> trademark ecc- and produce a first rpm rpm5 for mageia , which also +</I>>><i> contains the functionality required by the passage to the "RPM +</I>>><i> ACID " feauture (berkeley db conversion) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> is there interest? Then if someone wants to directly participate in +</I>>><i> rpm5 I think that there should also be no problem. +</I>Exactly, opposed to rpm.org upstream which only has a few redhat employees +working on it with no public communication, coordination and discussions between +distributions, rpm5 is community driven and has the active involvement +and more open participation from several vendors/distributions on different +platforms.. + +Your (Mageia;) participation is more than welcome and active direct involvement +in upstream development is generally no problem at all in arranging. :) +>><i> +</I>>><i> Opinions ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> TIA +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Regards +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Hi, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please read the archives we already talked about this several times on the ML. +</I>I saw several people talking and asking about rpm5 on both mageia-discuss@ +& mageia-dev@ list, I even myself (and also relayed Jeff's) offered to maintain +and provide any help you'd accepted on it for Mageia a couple of ties without +any response. I saw several people asking semi-frequently asking about it on +different occations since, but without any actual discussions considering the +topic taking place. +I can only recall seeing one post from Thierry to mageia-devel@ where he +made a suggestion for rpm.org, but never saw anything about it since before +the upgrade to newer rpm.org version was done by someone I'd never seen +the name of before except for a fictional character on a TV series probably +totally unrelated(?;) and even much less so ever saw participating in any +of the discussions concerning it previously. + +But I only follow these two lists, there might be other lists I don't know of +(ie. communication around cooker tends to go across and between +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maintainers at mandriva.com</A> (that a lot of people don't even know of) and +cooker@ lists, and then also at some various other internal lists at Mandriva +that's restricted, so for all that I know the discussion could've taken place +somewhere that I might not even expect to be open for me;) and where the +actual discussion took place. I dunno, do you have any references to the +discussion? I'm usually quite interested and curious about such discussions +in general. :) +><i> +</I>><i> We are using rpm.org for now, and we are happy with this, we are +</I>><i> already working with rpm.org teams and this works pretty nice. +</I>Telling that you're "already working with rpm.org" and being able to comment +about the experience less than a day after making first post to rpm-maint list +introducing yourself and Mageia seems a bit premature to me, but it might +be a cultural thing.. ;p </troll> +><i> +</I>><i> But you can go and help mandriva as they have several problems with rpm5. +</I>Yes, and we're even actually aware of these ourself (*coughcough*;), currently +none of those (reported) is of particularly significant size or causing major +headaches to people in general for a little while now though. There's still +some few issues left that *must* be worked out in time for 2011.0 none the +less though. The number of other issues, room for improvements, planned +features, cleanups, ideas and what not otherwise is rather long and rather +non-finite and not likely to ever be finished and really "done" with, +but at least +I can say that it's significantly shorter now after changing to new rpm version +with a lot of the more long-time work already done in it before switching. :) + +I'm more than willing to accept (and provide) any help, interest and discuss +any details concerning rpm, regardless of distro and rpm version/fork, be +it related to any of current issues affecting distro, other things I have on my +TODO list, or other aspects and focus independent of these. I'm very open to +try my best to scale and allow for others that have the interest and skills to +discuss and contribute, either directly or indirectly! +><i> +</I>><i> In addition, rpm5 ( i hate this name as this makes think rpm5 is a new +</I>><i> version of rpm which isn't true ) is just another rpm and i think that +</I>><i> this is better to stay compatible with the most distributions ( +</I>><i> fedora, opensuse, ... ) instead of using rpm5. +</I>You claim for it to be old? +And by what is your definition to "stay compatible" with most distributions? +Are you referring to different distributions doing releases, +or compatibility between individual releases of the specific distributions? + +For compatibility between different distributions, the only +distribution actively +involved with actual upstream development of rpm.org is Fedora, with +complaints heard from others on despite it being over a year since Fedora +& OpenSuSE had their RPM Summit (which "only" covered rather "smaller" +issues concerning packaging policies than involvement and active +participation in +upstream development), nothing has been heard between the two since.. + +The amount of changes from upstream carried in OpenSuSE's rpm was +quite huge and making incompatibilities between the two bigger than between +ie. rpm.org & rpm5.org, with the situation not changing much since from last +I heard.. And considering that I've fully reviewed and merged all patches in +Mandriva dating all the way back to 1999 in rpm5 upstream along with a lot +of practices, macros, scripts etc. as well in both directions, level of +"compatibility" between Mageia & rpm5 is far greater than any other (with +other rpm5 based distros being more compatible with Mageia than Mageia +is with non-rpm5 based distros as well;).. + +Even between individual releases from the individual rpm forks there are +always similarly incompatibilities often happening and impossible to get +around while keeping full "compatibility" intact. +For the upgrade in cooker to rpm 5.3 there was two bigger changes happening, +the first one being the rpmdb changes requiring a conversion to take place, +this was inconvenient but a proper and safe procedure to achieve it +was mostly worked out before hitting main/release, with the rest of it +pretty much fully perfected since (with support for conversion back and +forth added as well to achieve "compatibility"), making this issue only +temporary and not really of much concern outside of that limited period +(except for when upgrading from cooker to Mageia, I've again given +pointers, suggestions, specific directions and even offered to provide +help on doing it, but as usual and to little surprise, interest was close +to zero..). + +The second issue causing bigger incompatibility issues and pains is the +new distepoch tag I've introduced in Mandriva and that we're the first +real adopters of (it's not even yet officially supported upstream). +This is more of a particular feature implemented by myself rather than +so much related to the specific rpm version beyond the rpm version +I used to implement it in first (I have it on my TODO to port to rpm.org +later and has discussed it with positive interest from upstream of in the +past as well btw. ;), and also causing greater incompatibilities and +headaches between tools and the packages built for the specific +distribution. Worst issues has been worked out for this one as well with +various related fixes to deal with incompatibility being ported back to +stable releases along with some some other unrelated fixes as well +(if interested, you'll find the 3.37.2 branch of perl-URPM in mandriva svn, +which except for the fixes mentioned is basically identical to your 3.38 +inn Mageia). + +These are anyways not issues impossible to manage, and much of +the intent behind distepoch, ironically enough, is rather to improve +future compatibility with other distributions by moving distro specific +stuff out of the src.rpm. ;) +You'll always keep run into these issues, neither direction attempted will +free you from ever running into them now or in the future. +If you really wanna discuss "compatibility", you *really* need to define +what is even somewhat implied by this as *compatibility* isn't something +you'll be able to achieve nor anyone else really has that much interest +in chasing.. + +I honestly don't even expect you to read on and all the way down to even +here to begin with. If you do, good, it's one step in the right direction, if +not and not really grasping these issues, you're doomed at even +attempt starting to begin with. :p + +So first of all and most important to begin with is how you yourself wants +to deal with the particular issues for your distribution, how to efficiently +solve your own individual problems to begin with, how to improve things +to make life for anyone involved in maintaining the distribution currently +easier. +Then you can start think about "compatibility", first of all between your own +individual releases and tools (independent of upstream) to begin with and +concern yourself on really solving things the "right way". +Then on you can finally start putting thought into "compatibility" beyond +own distribution, how to best achieve it, both on your and others' end. +With different tools in use and development, one true answer and solution +cannot easily or even always found at all, and the debate about what being +upstream or not, what's limited to your own distro only or not and what not +gets murkey and the choice needs to be done from not so much based on +which fork (or even tools to use) comes from who or what or anything, but +rather based on what's most feasible to you & maintenance, to what extent +gains in return you expect, existing involvement, knowledge, insight and +actual skills on achieving the goals set. +And uhm, yeah.. In the end it gets complex and not strictly just about +making a simple choice expecting great results in return from that alone +and sticking to it.. + +Tsktsk, my post probably ends up being labelled as flamebait, troll, too long +and boring, biased and what not.. I just felt like giving what was intended +as a somewhat brief answer in response to a lot of nonsense and FUD +(mainly built on ignorance and power of suggesion), and also from greater +interest in the particular topic you bring up, but turned into a longer +semi-rant(without even straightening out half of what I intended;) though. +Appologies given upfront! + +So I'll try avoid getting deeper into further details. :p + +Again, main point is that there's more to it than anything I've seen trace +of being discussed or anywhere related to what you say you'd like to +achieve. As "not following mandriva, maintain everything alone, follow rpm.org" +doesn't really answer it much, but rather raises more questions and concerns +over how you intend to succeed (but I honestly don't know you at all, +so you might be full of nice surprises:) and with whom. +I'd be happy to try help the best and be able to make life easier for everyone, +and I'm more interested in this than on what specific distro nor rpm fork +you're using, just as I'm convinced and sure the importance lies much +more in "how to" rather than in "how you're not". + + +"Compatibility" between the two different rpm forks solely alone on their +own independent of distributions is rather trivial to achieve (and usually +already done by both upstreams) and honestly not that big of an issue, +as for how to deal with differences between the individual distributions +gets far more complex again.. + +It's a topic I'm actually doing parts of my thesis around, so if you have +any specific thoughts, ideas, meanings, questions etc. I'd be very +interested, and very happy if finding interest in discussing and working +together with others on. :) +><i> +</I>><i> This is just my opinion but i would like to not see rpm5 thread again +</I>><i> and again, that start for my part to become boring. +</I>If you keep seeing it again and again, maybe it suggests that the +discussion never (sufficiently) took place to begin with and an actual +consensus known to everyone and what based on might be missing +in order to reach any finality on the topic? ;) + +I've only seen threads with questions and quite superficial discussions +not really answering many of them, but it might be my personal +bias affecting critical sense and standards too much.. :p + +Oh well, tried my best being constructive and genuinly helpful, +expecting nothing, but would be positively surprised and happy for +any serious discussion and interest, if discovered! + +Need some sleep to achieve greater consistency, focus and coherency.. +-- +Regards, +Per Øyvind +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003127.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003128.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3126">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3126">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3126">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3126">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003127.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003127.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4e5a20680 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003127.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Alpha2 iso content + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Alpha2%20iso%20content&In-Reply-To=%3C1299619684.2558.31.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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And there are phantom core-testing, nonfree-testing and tainted- +testing media apparently. + +Regards + +Samuel Verschelde +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003130.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3129">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3129">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3129">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3129">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003130.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003130.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..086b02cc5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/003130.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20RPM5%20AND%20MAGEIA&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DH0SQB4D3XDPivXBmxmKA%2BN8E_fOQjtJcdbbCV%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003128.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003129.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA</H1> + <B>Raphaël Jadot</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20RPM5%20AND%20MAGEIA&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DH0SQB4D3XDPivXBmxmKA%2BN8E_fOQjtJcdbbCV%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA">ashledombos at hodo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Mar 8 23:59:56 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003128.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003129.html">[Mageia-dev] Sophie doesn't survey "updates_testing" repos +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3130">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3130">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3130">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3130">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/8 Balcaen John <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> Le Tuesday 08 March 2011 18:11:11, Per Øyvind Karlsen a écrit : +</I>><i> [...] +</I>>><i> Tsktsk, my post probably ends up being labelled as flamebait, troll, too +</I>>><i> long and boring, biased and what not.. +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> This list is not write only... +</I>><i> If you've got personnal problem with dmorgan just send him a personal email i +</I>><i> don't care, but i guess that ennael wrote 3 hours before this last mail from +</I>><i> you that mageia seems to have choose rpm.org so maybe we can really close this +</I>><i> subject/thread for now instead of talking again & again about the fantastic +</I>><i> rpm(5).org feature/upstream/it's a revolution/another apple commercial +</I>><i> here/etc etc. +</I>><i> It's just boring... +</I>><i> +</I> +mm ? +I have not the feeling that it was the subject... i read again... ok +he seems to have a great +1 to rpm5, but i did not see that he wanted +insisted or moan in order we use rpm5... +The mails are hard to read, and long, and very technicals, but what +catched my eyes is some things like +"level of compatibility" between Mageia & rpm5 is far greater than any +other (with +other rpm5 based distros being more compatible with Mageia than Mageia +is with non-rpm5 based distros as well" +So it doesn't mean we have to move to rpm5 for being compatible with +rpm5, so where is the problem ? + +I just wonder, why having discussions about technical things like +adults is impossible ? are rpm.org and rpm5 religions ? + +So if Per Oyvind offers help, unless there are hidden things i do not +understand, and if he can improve rpm.org or compatibility stuff or +whatever, why nobody says "ok, why not, tell us, maybe you could help, +maybe not" Did not find it (at least in this ML) + +Seems it's not the first time, in this mail +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110109/002024.html</A> +he told "(if interested, I could help assist you on writing something +equivalent for compatibility wrapping similar to what I did in the +past with rpm4compat.h & rpm46compat.h to make ie. URPM able to use +rpm 4.4 & 4.6 api with rpm5, let's say rpm5compat.h or something). + +Whatever you end up doing, don't be afraid of asking or trying to +communicate on, the mutual benefits of collaboration are rather +obvious. <;o) +If not, sorry for imposing." + +This mail had no answer, so what, is this guy a kind of antichrist of +rpm , talking with sugar words and trying to backstab you ? + +And at least, If the question are asked over and over, why is there so +few things in archives about it ? Sure every one knows mageia will not +hurry to go to rpm5 tomorow, and so what ? If some are bored about +some related questions, why not opening a FAQ that explain it, or that +just point to the related archive/topic (which could be this one) ? + +Sorry but I hate people bashing when i don't understand it. So if +there are personal anger, try to get over, or explain and communicate +better. + + + +RJ +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003128.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM5 AND MAGEIA +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003129.html">[Mageia-dev] Sophie doesn't survey "updates_testing" repos +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3130">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3130">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3130">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3130">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cdb6e7ccf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110308/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 8 March 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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