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Dad or kids buy the +</I>>>><i> computers because Mum has been left out of the demographic, typical +</I>>>><i> given the number of women in the industry, but target that demographic +</I>>>><i> and Mum becomes decision maker. +</I>>>><i> +</I>You are partly right, but you miss an important point. It is probably +true, in families in liberal western societies, that the mother decides +most of the purchases, including what specific item is purchased. And +it may well be that the mother decides whether or not to buy a +computer. However, at least here in Canada (where women do indeed make +most of the purchasing decisions), women have a strong tendancy to defer +to a male opinion in deciding what computer to purchase, or operating +system or software to use. This even occurs in professional settings, +in contexts where a woman obviously has the greatest understanding of +the company's needs. I've seen this numerous times in consulting, where +I had to encourage their input in order to lead to a rational decision +for the company, which was prepared to follow the opinion of someone who +obviously did not understand the situation. +However, I do agree that the mother will have an important influence in +the type of software selected, even if she allows the man to make the +final decision. +Note that in my mind, using this frame of mind as the primary criteria +in selecting the logo is misleading. +What is needed is a logo that is distinctive, and attractive. And not +out of place for the technology in question. These factors are +culturally dependant as well. +Note that most successful computer companies use blue/green colours. A +notable exception being Ubuntu - which like Microsoft, uses their +bottomless pockets to promote their distro. As well as having excellent +documentation. So they succeed despite their ugly brown colours. Which +may be considered attractive in certain markets, like South Africa. +>><i> I don't know about marketing, I've just been living here for decades +</I>>><i> and been helping in the computer field for more than 15 years. I hold +</I>>><i> computer courses entry level, I give advice with computer purchases in +</I>>><i> families, etc. All my practical experience tells me what I've written +</I>>><i> here. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> OK then let me put it another way, you have taught IT for 15 years. Probably +</I>><i> in the same geographic area. It's a pretty good guess that you have probably +</I>><i> no more than three degrees of separation to maybe 90% of the people you +</I>><i> interact with. 90+% of the people that you interact with speak the same +</I>><i> native tongue as you, so already your view of the world is extremely limited. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So lets talk hypothetically: If you have taught for 15 years and you had an +</I>><i> average class size of say 20. 5 periods a day that's a hundred faces a day +</I>><i> and you saw these people once a week and assuming a 40 week school year. +</I>><i> That's 20,000 a year.... hang on not enough, OK you change completely 4 times +</I>><i> a year, so that's 80.000 a year... wow that's a lot, over 15 years that's +</I>><i> 1.2million people you could have hypothetically interacted with each for about +</I>><i> ten hours total. However in marketing terms on a global scale that is a +</I>><i> pinprick sample. Marketers get information for instance, just from rewards +</I>><i> programmes that do that sort of sample in many countries in any one hour of +</I>><i> any one day across many demographics, ages, income streams, locations and so +</I>><i> on and what this tells us is that apart from some minor local differences, +</I>><i> people in western democratic, first world countries behave in a very similar +</I>><i> fashion. +</I>Obviously you don't understand how surveys work. It makes me wonder if +you have ever done one. (btw, I have.) +Surveys depend on a very limited sample, and extrapolate that to presume +a global result. Like election polls, they can be -- and often are -- +dead wrong. +The experiences of wobo -- and similar experiences myself -- are just as +valid. +I'm not trying to say that you do not have good insights -- but rather +that in is too easy to get carried away, and other's input is important. +><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Every place is unique, but not as unique as we'd all like to believe, one +</I>>>><i> thing that marketing tells you. A good example is Micky Ds, the same +</I>>>><i> everywhere, with slight local variations. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Nonsense (to use the same language as you do). You can't apply some +</I>>><i> junkfood chain success story to computers and software. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> LOL, in fact you can, at the end of the day it is a consumer item. It is a +</I>><i> luxury good that only a small proportion of the worlds population can afford. +</I>><i> In capitalist consumer model societies the market has little variation apart +</I>><i> from local fashion. So for instance, like McDs, Ipods and Iphones are sold +</I>><i> the same way world wide and that is matched with other global brands. +</I>><i> +</I>You can -- but ignoring the difference between the contexts introduces +bias -- which can lead to totally wrong conclusions. +e.g., if you are marketing automotive tools, you would probably focus on +men you like to work on cars. If you included women who didn't, you +could end up with colours preferred by women as an important factor. +Obviously ridiculous if you carefully consider the context. +btw, a computer and computer software is not necessarily a luxery item. +If it is used for educational purposes, managing the budget, and +communication, it is no more a luxury item than a car. +Also note that, depending on the type of computer, today most of the +world's population CAN afford a computer. (In the sense of one per family.) +><i> +</I>>><i> As I said, I disagree with your points not because I am another +</I>>><i> marketing guy but because of experience. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> wobo +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> As I pointed out above your experience is in fact limited, that's not a bad +</I>><i> thing, it means you can target those variations that the global brands ignore +</I>><i> in a local market. However our need is to be a global brand and so we target +</I>><i> demographics that we know exist every where. So for instance: Parents +</I>><i> everywhere, no matter what country or society, want the best for their Kids... +</I>><i> simple really. +</I>What isn't simple is how one accommodates this desire. Which will +differ by culture and personal experiences. There is no +one-size-fits-all, without an enormous advertising budget. +One thing that is certain to me, the logo is not the answer. A logo +that says "young family" will alienate other types of users, who are +necessarily much more numerous. +These other users include, potentially, most of the current Mandriva users. +However easy selection of packages to accommodate the various niche +markets can indeed lead to an expanding user base. +And assuredly, you play an important role in identifying these various +niche markets. + +- André (andre999) +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> GL +</I>><i> +</I> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000688.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#687">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#687">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#687">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#687">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000688.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000688.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6b113446f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000688.html @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA818D1.2090300%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000687.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000691.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA818D1.2090300%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 07:46:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000687.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000691.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#688">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#688">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#688">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#688">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-10-01 05:56, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>>><i> 2010/10/1 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>>>><i> Such applications don't have to be installed by default. They just +</I>>>>><i> have +</I>>>>><i> to be available on the installation DVD, with a selectable Educational +</I>>>>><i> group of applications, much like the Internet and Server groups +</I>>>>><i> available on existing Mandriva DVD's. It could even be called "Young +</I>>>>><i> Family". +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Note that in the past (at least about 10 years ago), RedHat CD's had +</I>>>>><i> many selectable installation groups, many of which overlapped. So +</I>>>>><i> using +</I>>>>><i> this approach, there could be groups called "Educational", "Young +</I>>>>><i> Family", and "Home Office", for example, all containing the +</I>>>>><i> go-openoffice office suite, among other applications. +</I>>>>><i> I believe that the current Mandriva DVD doesn't have any overlap +</I>>>>><i> between +</I>>>>><i> installation groups. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I like this approach. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Same here. When I used SuSE Linux 4.4.1 they had the same approach. I +</I>>><i> even did several installations, each with a different set of +</I>>><i> applications, using the same /home. A good way to find out what you +</I>>><i> really want/need. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc, what you wrote about kids being the future is common knowledge, +</I>>><i> I wonder that so many companies do not recognize that. Microsoft does, +</I>>><i> they are sponsoring school computer networks and internet access, thus +</I>>><i> creating their future client base. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Suse Linux really lost momentum when Novell didn't/has not recognized +</I>><i> that its netware application days are at an end. If they pushed for a +</I>><i> Suse educational netware application/distro, most school boards using +</I>><i> the Novel netware apps would migrate this way. Fewer disruptions to +</I>><i> their systems. School boards plan 5-10 years in advance for changes +</I>><i> and it is extremely difficult for them to change in the middle of +</I>><i> planned migration. There is a lot of money involved in this. Most +</I>><i> board will pay Microsoft approx. $30-50/seat for use of MSWord -- so +</I>><i> for example our board has over 10,000 computers. That is a huge cost +</I>><i> just for the use of a Wordprocessor. I don't know the cost of the +</I>><i> Novell install/contract but it would most likely approach this amount. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If Mageia had educational partners on-board it would be a huge initial +</I>><i> plus to the distro. School boards are, in a traditional sense, +</I>><i> expected to spend money and not save/make money. We could, for +</I>><i> example, offer to tailor certain aspects of the distro for our +</I>><i> education partners. Note that the focus on educational institutions is +</I>><i> for foster use of knowledge, so they would most likely be interested +</I>><i> in areas of a distro that focussed on kids/adult learning needs. If +</I>><i> Mageia did this well, then this could then lead to more educational +</I>><i> partners coming on board. We would only need 2-5 educational partners +</I>><i> to kick-start this approach. I would suggest to try for 1 educational +</I>><i> partner per continent. It would then mushroom from there. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Unfortunately, not having a Mageia server service may hurt us. But +</I>><i> there is nothing to stop us from partnering or tooling up our +</I>><i> community distro to work well with a server (in this case I would go +</I>><i> for RedHat servers). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is no doubt that the next major expenses in the very near future +</I>><i> for school boards is the change in netware applications. And they are +</I>><i> still very confused. What they do know is that it will most likely be +</I>><i> a linux solution. That is pretty well accepted. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>Targeting the school boards makes a lot of sense. +Note that Openoffice targeted various gov't organisations in France, +some of which ended up migrating to Mandriva as well. Maybe that could +work with school boards as well. I'm tempted to try something like that +with mine, in banlieue of Montréal. +Just out of curiosity, what is your school board ? + +For the server, if Mandriva management were a little more reasonable, it +would be good to partner with them. (I'd like to see something like +RedHat/Fedora.) +In any case, you can't go wrong with RedHat. + +André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000687.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000691.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#688">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#688">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#688">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#688">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000689.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000689.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e821422ae --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000689.html @@ -0,0 +1,124 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA81EAE.5040506%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000708.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000690.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA81EAE.5040506%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 08:11:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000690.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#689">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#689">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#689">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#689">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Kira a écrit : +><i> 在 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:18:08 +0800, Samuel Verschelde +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>>寫道: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 16:05:26, Kira a écrit : +</I>>>><i> So, what's the difference Mageia had toward other distribution? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> "Simple to use yet powerful" : +</I>>><i> - newbie-friendly (yes ubuntu is on this market, but to me Mandriva +</I>>><i> does it better) +</I>>><i> - powerful +</I>>><i> - comprehensive (many packages available in many fields) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Then nothing prevents from saying also, for example : +</I>>><i> "Mageia, ideal for music making", with news, screenshots, people +</I>>><i> sharing their experience, howtos... +</I>>><i> "Mageia, easy yet powerful on servers", ... +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> You said nothing about my concern that Mandriva may be seen only as, +</I>>><i> say, a distribution for education. What about that ? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> All purpose means no one knows what the distro wants to do. +</I>><i> Making a specific version for education/small business or whatever +</I>><i> won't makes the distro seems only focus on one thing, but a proof of +</I>><i> full feature OS. +</I>Don't agree. A special version will create the impression that it is +all that Mageia can do. +On the other hand, the possibility to select a special group of software +(like "young family" or "education") to be installed from the DVD would +be very useful. +><i> +</I>><i> The point is: you have to emphasis something different, not something +</I>><i> others also owns/easily achieved/already well-implemented/advertised. +</I>><i> I don't agree with the way ubuntu flushing the whole board of different +</I>><i> purpose but actually same thing strategy, but it does makes people knows +</I>><i> what to choose to fit their need, which is important to makes people +</I>><i> accept your product. +</I>><i> We do have to find a place in the market slice, or no one would care +</I>><i> about who you are. All-purpose is great, but not for people who is +</I>><i> unfamiliar +</I>><i> to our distro: +</I>><i> It's too vague and not attractive since no one knows your strength. +</I>><i> ____ +</I>Strength, you ask ? +Ease of use -- without sacrificing power and security. +In my mind, Mandriva is even easier to use and maintain than Microsoft's +version of windows, especially if you don't use their office suite. +And certainly it is easier to use and maintain than most distros. + +That doesn't preclude talking about the various uses readily available, +especially if there are special installation groups available on the DVD. + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000690.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#689">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#689">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#689">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#689">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000690.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000690.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9292d5b87 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000690.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA822AE.8000805%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000689.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000694.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA822AE.8000805%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 08:29:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000689.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000694.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#690">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#690">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#690">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#690">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 22:05 +0800, Kira a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> "A distribution for Newbie" is good, but I think what Graham said is +</I>>><i> better. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Well, +</I>><i> saying "a distribution for newbies" is not as good as it sound. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you market the distribution so people think "if you are a newbie, use +</I>><i> this distro", people will think "he use this distribution so he is a +</I>><i> newbie". This will drive knowledgeable peoples away to others +</I>><i> distribution, because they will feel they will learn more by using +</I>><i> another distro ( which is wrong ) and because others peoples will appear +</I>><i> as more knowledgeable when they use a distro that is not aimed at +</I>><i> newbies. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In turn, this mean a diminution of the global expertise in the +</I>><i> community. Less expert users to answer to support, less experts users to +</I>><i> report bug, fix packages, create softwares or contribute, and to +</I>><i> basically teach to new users how to be good community member resulting +</I>><i> in less quality, and a less sustainable community. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Apple does it correctly. They never say "we target newbie users". +</I>><i> See <A HREF="http://www.apple.com//why-mac/">http://www.apple.com//why-mac/</A> +</I>><i> "better computer" "most advanced os" "award winning support" "latest +</I>><i> technology" "software you love". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Everything resolve around how they are good, not how beginner you can +</I>><i> be. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Or see <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/">http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/</A> +</I>><i> they say "it is easy", but they never say "it is easy and can be used by +</I>><i> a newbie". They say "it is easy and you will learn how to use it fast", +</I>><i> which is more positive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And so I think we should also try to avoid this pitfall, right from the +</I>><i> start, if we want to have a thriving sustainable community. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>how about : +"Mageia : Linux that just works" +"Mageia : Easy, Powerful, and Secure" + +The danger is to identify Mageia too much with any particular market. +Mandriva has attracted users and developpers by its ease of use. +Mageia starts with this strength, which we should promote. +That doesn't stop us from communicating the range of capabilities of +Mageia, just that we should avoid too narrow a focus. + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000689.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000694.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#690">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#690">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#690">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#690">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000691.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000691.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..01bc2ff46 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000691.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8982t%248bm%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000688.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000692.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8982t%248bm%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 08:33:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000688.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000692.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#691">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#691">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#691">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#691">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Targeting the school boards makes a lot of sense. +</I>><i> Note that Openoffice targeted various gov't organisations in France, +</I>><i> some of which ended up migrating to Mandriva as well. Maybe that could +</I>><i> work with school boards as well. I'm tempted to try something like that +</I>><i> with mine, in banlieue of Montréal. +</I>><i> Just out of curiosity, what is your school board ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the server, if Mandriva management were a little more reasonable, it +</I>><i> would be good to partner with them. (I'd like to see something like +</I>><i> RedHat/Fedora.) +</I>><i> In any case, you can't go wrong with RedHat. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I> +Bonjour André: + +As an example, the official word from the Ontario Ministry of Education +is that if users cannot afford the use of MSOffice, that we are allowed +to promote the use of StarOffice. Here is the official link: +<A HREF="http://www.osapac.org/db/view_software.php?id=310">http://www.osapac.org/db/view_software.php?id=310</A> Sun had made +arrangements to provide support through their 1-800 ... telephone +service (unofficially, they had also said that they would have supported +OpenOffice user queries as well, although this policy may have changed +after this policy had been posted on the net). There are over 2 million +students being taught in Ontario where I teach. Quite a good market to +target. You can find the statistics on registered school student numbers +here: <A HREF="http://www42.statcan.ca/smr08/2007/smr08_088_2007-eng.htm">http://www42.statcan.ca/smr08/2007/smr08_088_2007-eng.htm</A> + +If we were to commit to an "Education based" install (this could be done +at the point of installation where you could tag the type of distro that +you would want installed) with SOLID alternatives for the most common +software packages used in educational institutions, then we could make a +convincing case for the installation of Mageia desktops in schools. Most +governmental agencies today are sensitive to ways of cutting down on +expenses. + +The only problem that I would see in doing such a promotion is that this +type of usage would require a server/client solution. This is where the +choice of server partnership would become important. RehHat and Suse are +well-known servers options in the business world. We could then partner +up with them and make sure that Mageia/RedHat or Mageia/Suse solutions +are rock solid. Unless we seek a partnership with MandrivaLinux server, +but in North American markets, Mandriva is really not a force to contend +with and is not really known. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000688.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000692.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#691">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#691">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#691">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#691">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000692.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000692.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c36d6807f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000692.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikfYqH3Y0uSS7m4%3DN0uxhNovG2g3MweBBx_N5Po%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000691.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000693.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikfYqH3Y0uSS7m4%3DN0uxhNovG2g3MweBBx_N5Po%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 08:34:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000691.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000693.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#692">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#692">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#692">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#692">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/3 andré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Targeting the school boards makes a lot of sense. +</I> +Again this is something you can not generalize, different countries +have different structures. +In Germany it is not a school board who decides what software will be +bought for a certain region or school. This is decided on state level +for the various states of the federal republic. You have to go to some +state office and compete with the reps of Microsoft. You do not talk +to parents or teachers, it's some bureaucrats who decide this over +here (with very few exceptions). + +Same with many other countries. This school board system as in the US +is not a world wide system. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000691.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000693.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#692">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#692">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#692">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#692">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000693.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000693.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3571e0dff --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000693.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010031939.51674.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000692.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000695.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010031939.51674.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 08:39:51 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000692.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000695.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#693">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#693">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#693">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#693">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sunday 03 Oct 2010 19:34:28 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2010/10/3 andré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>><i> > Targeting the school boards makes a lot of sense. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Again this is something you can not generalize, different countries +</I>><i> have different structures. +</I>><i> In Germany it is not a school board who decides what software will be +</I>><i> bought for a certain region or school. This is decided on state level +</I>><i> for the various states of the federal republic. You have to go to some +</I>><i> state office and compete with the reps of Microsoft. You do not talk +</I>><i> to parents or teachers, it's some bureaucrats who decide this over +</I>><i> here (with very few exceptions). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Same with many other countries. This school board system as in the US +</I>><i> is not a world wide system. +</I> +Marc is talking about Canada and despite rumours to the contrary, Canada is as +much a part of the US as New Zealand is a part of Australia. + +And In fact in all of these countries and the UK as a matter of fact, software +purchase is a school decision. Education Departments, as in NZ, may negotiate +with vendors for a block price for schools but the purchase is the schools +decision. + +Targeting schools does make a lot of sense in a Global context. + +One local school here just went with Ubuntu on 1500 netbooks + +<A HREF="http://manaiakalani.blogspot.com/search/label/1%3A1">http://manaiakalani.blogspot.com/search/label/1%3A1</A> + +which will be one for every student. Interestingly they don't actually +advertise the OS, although they will be using the go-oo.org version of OOo +because of it's Googledocs/Zoho integration. + +There are a lot of other examples, you can talk to the people at the sharp end +on the K12OSN maillist if you want. It is a significant market, just ask MS, +they bleed just to keep a toehold.. + +Cheers +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000692.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000695.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#693">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#693">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#693">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#693">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000694.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000694.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f6d9b81ce --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000694.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinqk_a0oQk1-JDqJ%2BS7UDGvfM0TiWWJYmKe92OT%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000690.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000696.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Fabrice Facorat</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinqk_a0oQk1-JDqJ%2BS7UDGvfM0TiWWJYmKe92OT%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 09:58:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000690.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000696.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#694">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#694">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#694">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#694">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/2 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> On 2 October 2010 21:50, Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> Le 2 octobre 2010 17:52, Nicolas Lécureuil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">neoclust.mageia at gmail.com</A>> a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> 2010/10/2 Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> 2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>>><i> > Fabrice Facorat wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> > Mandriva tries that, with look'n'feel consistent on MCC, KDE and Gnome. +</I>>>>><i> > draketools work on TUI or GUI. They work well. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> some tools does not work correctly however and are buggy +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Better  is to fix them instead of rewrite all. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> you know, when something have been broken for more than 2 years ... at +</I>>><i> some point you may think that the best would be to just change it ;-) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Close the World, Open the Net +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Specifying what exactly is wrong is an essential issue here: +</I>><i> - Just "perl is hard to understand" isn't a problem for users, users +</I>><i> don't code it. +</I> +but for dev and potential contributor this increase the antry barrier +for contribution + +><i> - Not being used by other distros is again not a problem, each distro +</I>><i> has native tools that no other distros use (as misc said a couple of +</I>><i> emails up) +</I> +sure. But do Mandriva still have enough man power to maintain so many tools ? + +><i> So, no, I wouldn't throw my old box out the window because if it works +</I>><i> even if it's slow, until I buy a new box / can afford a new box. +</I>><i> drakxtools work, until a viable alternative, if needed at all, is +</I>><i> provided they should be kept. +</I> +I do say that we should do a complete analysis of all the mandriva +tools ( drakxtools, drakwizard, ... ), and have the decision on a +per-tool basis + +-- +Close the World, Open the Net +<A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000690.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000696.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#694">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#694">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#694">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#694">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000695.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000695.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fce4691b3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000695.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci89dhv%24ngf%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000693.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000697.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci89dhv%24ngf%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 10:06:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000693.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000697.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#695">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#695">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#695">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#695">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 02:34, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/3 andré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Targeting the school boards makes a lot of sense. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Again this is something you can not generalize, different countries +</I>><i> have different structures. +</I>><i> In Germany it is not a school board who decides what software will be +</I>><i> bought for a certain region or school. This is decided on state level +</I>><i> for the various states of the federal republic. You have to go to some +</I>><i> state office and compete with the reps of Microsoft. You do not talk +</I>><i> to parents or teachers, it's some bureaucrats who decide this over +</I>><i> here (with very few exceptions). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Same with many other countries. This school board system as in the US +</I>><i> is not a world wide system. +</I>><i> +</I> +I can't speak for André (he sounds like he is Canadian), but I am not a +US citizen, I am Canadian. Our school system and software purchase +models are the same as you describe. However, we do consult with school +boards and interested partners before acquiring software licences. I am +sure, the German states would consult with their partners before doing +such as well. We have provinces in Canada and, as you say, in Germany +you have states -- same hierarchy but with different names. As far as I +know, the American model is more of a federalist model and +consultation/coordination is done mostly from a national point of view. +I am sure someone on the list will straighten us out on this account. + +We shouldn't assume that, if people describe a different system on this +ML, that they are therefore American citizen who are trying to impose it +on everyone. I just assume that we are all Canadians on the list (chuckles). + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000693.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000697.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#695">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#695">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#695">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#695">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000696.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000696.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..637ea1311 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000696.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin8dougma1bRGDMN6S1tQ%3DnVzxvF_1RcevZp6KG%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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This is decided on state level +</I>><i> > for the various states of the federal republic. You have to go to some +</I>><i> > state office and compete with the reps of Microsoft. You do not talk +</I>><i> > to parents or teachers, it's some bureaucrats who decide this over +</I>><i> > here (with very few exceptions). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Same with many other countries. This school board system as in the US +</I>><i> > is not a world wide system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can't speak for André (he sounds like he is Canadian), but I am not a +</I>><i> US citizen, I am Canadian. Our school system and software purchase +</I>><i> models are the same as you describe. However, we do consult with school +</I>><i> boards and interested partners before acquiring software licences. I am +</I>><i> sure, the German states would consult with their partners before doing +</I>><i> such as well. We have provinces in Canada and, as you say, in Germany +</I>><i> you have states -- same hierarchy but with different names. As far as I +</I>><i> know, the American model is more of a federalist model and +</I>><i> consultation/coordination is done mostly from a national point of view. +</I>><i> I am sure someone on the list will straighten us out on this account. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We shouldn't assume that, if people describe a different system on this +</I>><i> ML, that they are therefore American citizen who are trying to impose it +</I>><i> on everyone. I just assume that we are all Canadians on the list +</I>><i> (chuckles). +</I> +I noticed that there seemed to be an overwhelming sense of reasonableness, +Maybe you're right. ;) + +><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> + +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000695.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000698.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#697">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#697">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#697">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#697">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000698.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000698.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..342066c6f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000698.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D9O4M_ca3m%2BXVky4Nh8Z16dvtW22grOFoSE7hF%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000697.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000699.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D9O4M_ca3m%2BXVky4Nh8Z16dvtW22grOFoSE7hF%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 10:34:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000697.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000699.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#698">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#698">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#698">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#698">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/3 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> I can't speak for André (he sounds like he is Canadian), but I am not a US +</I>><i> citizen, I am Canadian. Our school system and software purchase models are +</I>><i> the same as you describe. However, we do consult with school boards and +</I>><i> interested partners before acquiring software licences. I am sure, the +</I>><i> German states would consult with their partners before doing such as well +</I> +Unfortunately they do not. There have been lots of discussions but +especially the hierarchy concerning education is very tight over here. +All decisions are political decisions, not primarily based on technics +or facts but on the political programs. SIngle schools or parents or +students are not involved in such decisions. + +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000697.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000699.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#698">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#698">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#698">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#698">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000699.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000699.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e8d2f7784 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000699.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C1286095870.5708.3.camel%40athene%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000698.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000700.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>herman</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C1286095870.5708.3.camel%40athene%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">herman at aeronetworks.ca + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 10:51:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000698.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000700.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#699">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#699">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#699">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#699">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Unfortunately they do not. There have been lots of discussions but +</I>><i> especially the hierarchy concerning education is very tight over here. +</I>><i> All decisions are political decisions, not primarily based on technics +</I>><i> or facts but on the political programs. SIngle schools or parents or +</I>><i> students are not involved in such decisions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I>Maybe you should send the German bureaucrats to Canada for re-education +eh? ;) + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000698.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000700.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#699">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#699">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#699">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#699">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000700.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000700.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c6b9eca33 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000700.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci89gib%2421e%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000699.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000701.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci89gib%2421e%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 10:57:42 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000699.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000701.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#700">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#700">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#700">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#700">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 04:34, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/3 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I can't speak for André (he sounds like he is Canadian), but I am not a US +</I>>><i> citizen, I am Canadian. Our school system and software purchase models are +</I>>><i> the same as you describe. However, we do consult with school boards and +</I>>><i> interested partners before acquiring software licences. I am sure, the +</I>>><i> German states would consult with their partners before doing such as well +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Unfortunately they do not. There have been lots of discussions but +</I>><i> especially the hierarchy concerning education is very tight over here. +</I>><i> All decisions are political decisions, not primarily based on technics +</I>><i> or facts but on the political programs. SIngle schools or parents or +</I>><i> students are not involved in such decisions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +It is strange that parents, teachers and even students would not have a +say. How can there be an acquisition and amortization period for your +software programmes if you do not consult with your partners? I do not +know of any system where it would survive without input from groups +using the software/hardware. Otherwise, people would simply not use the +software that was dictated to them and the politicians would then have +to try to rationalize the reasons why they spent the $$$$$ for software +that nobody uses. There must be a consultative process otherwise your +educational system would have complained for sure. + +In Canada, and in my province of Ontario, we are even mandated to get +input from our students. We all have a say. That is not to say that +there is no political involvement, but even so, voices of all ages are +heard and reported back to the people in charge of planning and purchases. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000699.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000701.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#700">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#700">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#700">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#700">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000701.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000701.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c9b762748 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000701.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ce0.4ca84716%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Then the +contracts are signed and the whole hierarchy downwards has to act +according to those contracts. Schools and students and parents are at +the bottom of that hierarchy. + +Who said we do have an education problem? + +><i> the politicians would then have to try to +</I>><i> rationalize the reasons why they spent the $$$$$ for software that nobody +</I>><i> uses. There must be a consultative process otherwise your educational system +</I>><i> would have complained for sure. +</I> +They do complain, so what? The politicians have their opinions and +they act upon that. If the people's annoyance level is high enough the +people will show it at next elections. But whoever they vote for, they +are jsut the same. + +Sorry, I did not want to get into politics, it's just that over here +all education is ruled by the verious states of our federal republic. + +wobo +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000704.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000706.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#702">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#702">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#702">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#702">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000703.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000703.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1fd7992e9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000703.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikOjsN-RaNJXfr64O6_CrCPTzyNhE3EchDYCAS_%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000701.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000704.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikOjsN-RaNJXfr64O6_CrCPTzyNhE3EchDYCAS_%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 11:20:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000701.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000704.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#703">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#703">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#703">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#703">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/3 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Germans are used to not question authorities, so this is not strange. +</I>><i> Different country, different mentality, that's why talking abut global +</I>><i> PR/marketing strategies makes little sense. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So many global corporations had to learn this the hard way. +</I> +Germany is only one example among others. + +But I just remember this theory that at the end of the day you can +apply market strategies worldwide only with small adjustments. That's +crap. I know somebody in the marketing dep of a large supplier fo baby +food. They deliver to more than 25 countries in Europe and Middle East +- you know what? They had to implement 8 totally different marketing +strategies for those 25 countries becaus of totally different mind +sets, cultures, religions, family structures, etc. + +In general: I do not agree to a specialized marketing strategy with a +comparatively small target group. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000701.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000704.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#703">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#703">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#703">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#703">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000704.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000704.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..07764fbab --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000704.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci89iqq%249tn%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000703.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000702.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci89iqq%249tn%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 11:36:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000703.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000702.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#704">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#704">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#704">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#704">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 05:20, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/3 Tux99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Germans are used to not question authorities, so this is not strange. +</I>>><i> Different country, different mentality, that's why talking abut global +</I>>><i> PR/marketing strategies makes little sense. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So many global corporations had to learn this the hard way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Germany is only one example among others. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But I just remember this theory that at the end of the day you can +</I>><i> apply market strategies worldwide only with small adjustments. That's +</I>><i> crap. I know somebody in the marketing dep of a large supplier fo baby +</I>><i> food. They deliver to more than 25 countries in Europe and Middle East +</I>><i> - you know what? They had to implement 8 totally different marketing +</I>><i> strategies for those 25 countries becaus of totally different mind +</I>><i> sets, cultures, religions, family structures, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In general: I do not agree to a specialized marketing strategy with a +</I>><i> comparatively small target group. +</I>><i> +</I> +I don't believe that anyone is talking about having a global strategy +for Mageia. The subject line does say "Identifying Target Markets". I +believe the intent was to focus on some groups where there was a +possibility of expanding the usage of Mageia. Adapting to regional +differences would then make part of the target strategy. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000703.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000702.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#704">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#704">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#704">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#704">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000705.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000705.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..336991241 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000705.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? 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+Grub2 or Grub ? +Do you know decison of grub2 developpers about installing it on partition boot sector, not only on mbr ? +I don't agree with that "no choice" position, it remenbers me some others OS... and no choice no liberty, incompatible with Gnu-Linux imho. + + +-- +A.Salaün + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000789.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000707.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#705">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#705">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#705">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#705">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000706.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000706.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..906387152 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000706.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci89j26%249tn%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000702.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000708.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci89j26%249tn%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 11:40:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000702.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#706">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#706">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#706">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#706">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 05:10, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/3 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It is strange that parents, teachers and even students would not have a say. +</I>>><i> How can there be an acquisition and amortization period for your software +</I>>><i> programmes if you do not consult with your partners? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Schools and parents and students are not partners for the politicians. +</I>><i> The problem is, high level MS reps (even Mr. Gates did) visit the MP +</I>><i> (like the governor of a US state) and talks with him. Then the +</I>><i> contracts are signed and the whole hierarchy downwards has to act +</I>><i> according to those contracts. Schools and students and parents are at +</I>><i> the bottom of that hierarchy. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Who said we do have an education problem? +</I> +I am not sure, I certainly did not say that there was a problem. You +seem to be comfortable enough with it, and I don't have a problem with that. + +><i> +</I>>><i> the politicians would then have to try to +</I>>><i> rationalize the reasons why they spent the $$$$$ for software that nobody +</I>>><i> uses. There must be a consultative process otherwise your educational system +</I>>><i> would have complained for sure. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They do complain, so what? The politicians have their opinions and +</I>><i> they act upon that. If the people's annoyance level is high enough the +</I>><i> people will show it at next elections. But whoever they vote for, they +</I>><i> are jsut the same. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sorry, I did not want to get into politics, it's just that over here +</I>><i> all education is ruled by the verious states of our federal republic. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +This is not talking about politics. If you were not informing us of the +decision process, then we would not know. You are in fact informing us +how to better target groups in the educational sector in Germany. + +Cheers + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000702.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#706">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#706">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#706">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#706">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000707.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000707.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..995871231 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000707.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? 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+It's always best to give the user as much choice as possible, while at the +same time pre-selecting reasonable defaults. + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000705.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000709.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#707">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#707">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#707">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#707">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000708.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000708.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..31b3431d3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000708.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikSjkd63qHjtJOjhWhbdqMKGjL7pODn8r6F03D1%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000706.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000689.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikSjkd63qHjtJOjhWhbdqMKGjL7pODn8r6F03D1%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 11:53:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000706.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000689.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#708">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#708">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#708">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#708">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/3 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> Le 2010-10-03 05:10, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Who said we do have an education problem? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am not sure, I certainly did not say that there was a problem. You seem to +</I>><i> be comfortable enough with it, and I don't have a problem with that. +</I> +LOL! No, I'm not comfortable with that! That sentencs was a poor +attempt on being sarcastic! +We DO have an education system problem, there is a drifference in +education based on which state of Germany you went to school, there +are students and parents demonstrating on the streets, there is a +growing number of private schools (which were very rare in Germany +only 20 years ago), only open for parents with money, etc. + +OMG, I get carried away on this topic.... +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000706.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000689.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#708">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#708">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#708">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#708">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000709.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000709.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f43aab715 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000709.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? 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+ +This quote is particularly interesting: + +"Rafael: Not all tools were always written in Perl. However using +consistently a same language allows to share and reuse libraries across +all tools, be it the perl/rpmlib bindings or custom graphical toolboxes. +Thus, for example, the OS installer shares code with urpmi and rpmdrake. A +scripting language was preferred because of rapidity of development and +ease of debug -- attempts at writing rpmdrake in C were painful, although +that was before I was hired by Mandrakesoft. 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I'm happy. +</I>><i> ;-) +</I> +Indeed we spoke with syslinux team some weeks ago and issues are still +there with GRUB2. So safest way will be to stick with GRUB and +provide GRUB2 as alternative for advanced users + +><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> A.Salaün +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +Anne +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000711.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000713.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#712">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#712">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#712">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#712">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000713.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000713.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..23caf927c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000713.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? 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+</I>><i> > Grub2 or Grub ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> AFAIR the cooker discussion came to a "yes-yes" result. +</I>><i> "Yes", we will keep grub as default. +</I>><i> "Yes", we will offer Grub2 as an option. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's the reasonable thing to do, IMHO Grub2 still has flaws which make +</I>><i> it not suited as default BL. +</I> +what flaw ? + +the new grub 1.99 can read the old menu.lst format, so to me, that was +the sole reason to not provides it as a upgrade. + + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000790.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000716.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#715">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#715">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#715">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#715">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000716.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000716.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..78f4cce6a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000716.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? 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+</I>><i> +</I> +I'm referring to the cooker discussion, I did not test myself. So I +shoud have written "I heard that it has flaws". Sorry. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000715.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000717.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#716">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#716">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#716">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#716">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000717.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000717.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c1fc57757 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000717.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bootloader%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010031325.23579.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000716.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000718.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ?</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bootloader%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010031325.23579.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ?">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 13:25:23 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000716.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000718.html">[Mageia-dev] Epoll need translation +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#717">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#717">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#717">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#717">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op zondag 03 oktober 2010 11:43:40 schreef André Salaün: +><i> What about bootloader choice? +</I>><i> Grub2 or Grub ? +</I>><i> Do you know decison of grub2 developpers about installing it on partition +</I>><i> boot sector, not only on mbr ? I don't agree with that "no choice" +</I>><i> position, it remenbers me some others OS... and no choice no liberty, +</I>><i> incompatible with Gnu-Linux imho. +</I> +afaik, grub2 didn't work yet with gfxboot +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000716.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000718.html">[Mageia-dev] Epoll need translation +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#717">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#717">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#717">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#717">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000718.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000718.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ed5d25fb5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000718.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Epoll need translation + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Epoll%20need%20translation&In-Reply-To=%3C201010031422.00972.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000717.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000800.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Epoll need translation</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Epoll%20need%20translation&In-Reply-To=%3C201010031422.00972.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Epoll need translation">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 14:22:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000717.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000800.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#718">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#718">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#718">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#718">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Olivier Thauvin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-02 +><i> As consequence of this, Epoll has been mostly written in... French +</I>><i> (sorry :). +</I>><i> +</I>I think, first of all, we need the software in English. Then the different +language teams can start translating and prrofreading. I wouldn't want to +dictate the way this is done to those teams. They have to do the work and they +should decide how to do it. After all, the translation teams are very small +(mostly less then 10 people per language) and they have to find a workflow they +are comfortable with. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000717.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000800.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#718">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#718">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#718">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#718">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000789.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000789.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8f9de79eb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000789.html @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinWFZDB-O3%3DMaO_EjHMSq-7pkA4mm71YnUCJdRm%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000714.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000705.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinWFZDB-O3%3DMaO_EjHMSq-7pkA4mm71YnUCJdRm%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 15:35:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000714.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000705.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#789">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#789">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#789">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#789">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 3 October 2010 09:58, Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> 2010/10/2 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> On 2 October 2010 21:50, Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> Le 2 octobre 2010 17:52, Nicolas Lécureuil <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">neoclust.mageia at gmail.com</A>> a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> 2010/10/2 Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> 2010/10/1 Sinner from the Prairy <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>>>><i> > Fabrice Facorat wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> > Mandriva tries that, with look'n'feel consistent on MCC, KDE and Gnome. +</I>>>>>><i> > draketools work on TUI or GUI. They work well. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> some tools does not work correctly however and are buggy +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Better  is to fix them instead of rewrite all. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> you know, when something have been broken for more than 2 years ... at +</I>>>><i> some point you may think that the best would be to just change it ;-) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> -- +</I>>>><i> Close the World, Open the Net +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Specifying what exactly is wrong is an essential issue here: +</I>>><i> - Just "perl is hard to understand" isn't a problem for users, users +</I>>><i> don't code it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> but for dev and potential contributor this increase the antry barrier +</I>><i> for contribution +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> - Not being used by other distros is again not a problem, each distro +</I>>><i> has native tools that no other distros use (as misc said a couple of +</I>>><i> emails up) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> sure. But do Mandriva still have enough man power to maintain so many tools ? +</I>><i> +</I> +(Who's talking about Mandriva?) + +About man power, if a distro doesn't have enough man power to maintain +so many tool, do you think it'll have enough man power to port them to +another language so that others can contribute / "lower the entry +barrier"? or even integrate other tools in the distro? + +>><i> So, no, I wouldn't throw my old box out the window because if it works +</I>>><i> even if it's slow, until I buy a new box / can afford a new box. +</I>>><i> drakxtools work, until a viable alternative, if needed at all, is +</I>>><i> provided they should be kept. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do say that we should do a complete analysis of all the mandriva +</I>><i> tools ( drakxtools, drakwizard, ... ), and have the decision on a +</I>><i> per-tool basis +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Close the World, Open the Net +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +Sure. (Do you proposed to participate in that evaluation?). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000714.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000705.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#789">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#789">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#789">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#789">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000790.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000790.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..67dafdad8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000790.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bootloader%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010031338.o93DcC8M061097%40smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000713.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000715.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ?</H1> + <B>Dick Gevers</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Bootloader%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010031338.o93DcC8M061097%40smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ?">dvgevers at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 15:38:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000713.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000715.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#790">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#790">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#790">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#790">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 12:32:57 +0200 (CEST), Tux99 wrote about Re: +[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ?: + +><i>And please also keep LILO as a choice, since there are older PCs where only +</I>><i>LILO works, not grub. +</I> +Perhaps it helps knowing that grub may still work via a bootable cd. Please +compare: <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/SysAdmin/Config/MakeBootCD">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/SysAdmin/Config/MakeBootCD</A> + +But other than that, I need LILO too. + +Ciao, +=Dick Gevers= +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000713.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000715.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#790">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#790">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#790">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#790">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000800.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000800.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..11acfc97f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/000800.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C125.4ca8c91c%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000718.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Richard Walker</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C125.4ca8c91c%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Oct 3 20:19:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000718.html">[Mageia-dev] Epoll need translation +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#800">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#800">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#800">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#800">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +But are we always knowledgeable enough to be able to set up the system to +use our choice? + +I confess to being a Mandriva Linux user for only 10 years but I have been +an Opera user (and purchaser) for a year or two before that. I ALWAYS have +difficulty when removing Firefox and replacing it with Opera as I can NEVER +find all of the nooks and crannies of the system and various software +packages which presume that Firefox must be available. + +I would be much happier to discover that a distribution had taken my +choices seriously enough to check with me during the install and then make +sure that my choice is properly and fully integrated. + +Then perhaps we could highlight applications which expect no other browser +than Firefox and proceed to educate their authors/packagers as to the +importance of user choices. + +><i> +</I>><i> Majority of users do not want choice. +</I>><i> +</I> +OK, that may be true, but when one of that majority decides to broaden the +horizons of their browsing experience then will they magically be learned +enough to be able to fix all of the integration issues for themselves? I +suspect not. + +An install time selector screen and supporting scripts would be a very good +starting point for a "Change Default Browser" wizard, much as XFDrake tries +to hide the complexities of switching video drivers. + +Richard +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000718.html">[Mageia-dev] Epoll need translation +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#800">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#800">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#800">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#800">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..207436619 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101003/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,222 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 3 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>3 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 07:17:08 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 20:19:09 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 35<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000692.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="692"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000698.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="698"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000702.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="702"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000703.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="703"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="708"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000709.html">[Mageia-dev] Bootloader ? 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+<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000698.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="698"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000699.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="699"> </A> +<I>herman +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000700.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="700"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000701.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="701"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000702.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="702"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000703.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="703"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000704.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="704"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000706.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="706"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying 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